#628 - Tucker Carlson

Tucker Carlson is political commentator, podcaster and host of “The Tucker Carlson Show”. He was previously an anchor for Fox News and MSNBC. Tucker returns to talk about why America feels more compromised than ever, what he found most suspicious about the death of Charlie Kirk, and his advice on finding clarity in a world of noise. Tucker Carlson: https://www.instagram.com/tuckercarlson/ ------------------------------------------------ Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: Go to https://prizepicks.onelink.me/ivHR/THEO and use code THEO to get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Play Responsibly. Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/theo to sign up Blue Chew: Visit https://BlueChew.com for 10% off your first month of BlueChew Gold with code THEO. Acorns: Go to https://acorns.com/THEO to get your $20 bonus investment today! American Giant: Go to http://american-giant.com and use code THEO to get 20% off your first order. Morgan and Morgan: Visit https://forthepeople.com/THEO to see if you might have a case. Morgan and Morgan. America's Largest Injury Law Firm. Ryl Tea: the tea that cleaned up its act and still tastes like the good old days. Refresh yourself now at http://www.drinkryl.com Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo and download their new web browser Comet at https://comet.perplexity.ai/ ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Send mail to: This Past Weekend 1906 Glen Echo Rd PO Box #159359 Nashville, TN 37215 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

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• 0:41Theo Von?

  if you will. We had him on previously and we had a great time. He has his own podcast called The Tucker Carlson Show. He was just ranked one of the top 10 podcasts in America. Looking forward to spending time with him. Today's guest is Mr. Tucker Carlson.

• 1:15Theo Von?

  We want to support Alf too, so I'm excited about that.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  That started on the show, which is kind of weird.

• 1:20Theo Von?

  That Alf started on the show?

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's right. It was your show. You did it. It's when they threatened me. It's when PMI Philip Morris wrote me this letter. You were on a well-known comedian's podcast and you said this about our product. I was like, fuck you and started my own. And it's been really successful. So I'm grateful.

• 1:36Theo Von?

  So did they get upset about anything you said on the show?

• 1:39Speaker 01

  On your show?

• 1:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they said it was like a boner cure or whatever.

• 1:43Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  It's Viagra, which it totally is.

• 1:46Theo Von?

  You think nicotine helps your erection?

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51Theo Von?

  Oh, I don't, I don't think it helps mine.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  You know, I don't think you're using enough.

• 1:56Theo Von?

  I mean, I've, I've hit a, you know, hit a vape like I'm just, you know, like I'm keeping a train going, you know?

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Mid-act?

• 2:02Theo Von?

  Like keeping like a Amtrak, like I'm leading an Amtrak.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  It's hard to vape while you're actually engaged in, right? But that's the beauty of a pouch. You can double up during.

• 2:11Theo Von?

  Oh, I like that.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  I mean, that's

• 2:13Theo Von?

  Well, it's have like a battery pack.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Doctors recommend. I'm not, obviously. Nothing to do with me.

• 2:17Theo Von?

  I'm still like using fire, you know? It's like if I'm sitting there just huffing on a vape. Killing time. Also, if you're not getting an erection, you're trying to kill time until you get one. That's the toughest thing that people never talk about about erectile dysfunction.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, because you're like-

• 2:31Speaker 01

  It's like waiting at the DMV kinda?

• 2:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, kinda, but-

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Waiting for some lady to call you? Is that, yeah, it's, it's the same.

• 2:38Theo Von?

  If it's, maybe it's that girl Bonnie Blue, she's like number forty-nine or whatever.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Not ready.

• 2:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, yeah, that'd be crazy. Uh, just give me a couple of minutes. No, dude, the lies I would just have to make up, because I had pretty bad erectile dysfunction, like in my twenties, and the lies I'd have to make up.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, without getting too personal, how did you have erectile dysfunction in your twenties?

• 3:00Theo Von?

  Dude, I moved in with a guy who-

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Okay, mistake number one.

• 3:04Theo Von?

  Right, for sure, that didn't help. But that's because he had a, uh, he had a script of weiner pills, and so I'd get over there. So I'd nibble off of his weiner pills, and this is when weiner pills were really first popular. When they were first out of the gate, when people, like you had to get prescription, right? Now you can just do like telehealth, now you can get some Indian guy will just mail you a bag of them, you know? And they have saffron on them, which is sometimes it's kind of a lot, but you take what you can get. But, um, but dude, I would stay over with him and he would, uh, and he didn't notice, he would drink a lot, so he didn't notice. Sometimes I would like cut one in half or just take one, you know, but so I was living with like a seventy-year-old dude, just a cop's part of his weiner pill script because-

• 3:49Speaker 01

  You were a kept man. Viagra kept you there?

• 3:53Theo Von?

  But dude, that was a crazy, but when I think back of the reality of that, that was bonkers.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, fair, even by LA standards, that's pretty far out. Usually you move in with a sugar daddy for like the cocaine or something, but you were there for the boner pills. But can I ask, how do you, how do you think you wound up needing him in the first place at that age?

• 4:10Theo Von?

  Just too much mental, too much in my head, you know? Like I would try to be getting a boner or whatever, and my brain would be like, you got a little boner bitch or whatever. Like my brain did not like me, you know, so, and we had, and we lived together, and so it was like a constant battle. But then I think as I've gotten older and gotten more calm, um, it's been easier, it's just been more calm.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  That's so, that's so interesting. So you were like trying to defeat yourself?

• 4:36Theo Von?

  Yes, I would be like, uh, or if I couldn't get it started, it was just like, man, you know? So then you're killing time, like, hey, you know, it's like- You want to watch a pro, you know, it's like, let's put on a movie, you know, just like trying to kill time while you're waiting to get a boner. It's very, you know, you're, it's a, that's a tough gig. That should be an Olympic sport, I think.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Like the biathlon.

• 4:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  It's weird, but there are a few people in the world really good at it.

• 5:00Theo Von?

  Really?

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, biathlon for sure. I don't know, boner waiting. Biathlon is the cross country. Right. I don't think it's quite, it's not actually certified yet. Um, but no, biathlon is the cross country skiing and then shooting.

• 5:13Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I have seen that. That's pretty fun.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Well, it's wild because these guys are just like huffing, you know, imagine being oxygen deprived and then trying to shoot straight or do anything really.

• 5:25Theo Von?

  Oh, it, look, this is the skill we're all going to need probably in a few years if we want to survive. So I think that this, this is very important.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 5:31Theo Von?

  Um, but does Alp, so Alp is your brand?

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Alp is our brand. We started it, um, because of your show, uh, because the first and only other time I've been here, we were in some other city.

• 5:43Theo Von?

  We were in Bellagio. We were in the Bellagio.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Vegas, right. Sorry. Uh, and I had it and you said, what's that? And I made a joke about how it was a marital aid or something. Not even a funny joke. And then about a week later, I got a letter from the general counsel's office at Philip Morris International, which owns Zen. And they said, you know, how dare you make unsubstantiated medical claims about our product. And I was like, first of all, I'm shilling your product just to be nice because I like it. And now you're scolding me for making a boner joke, which by the way was a compliment.

• 6:13Theo Von?

  Yeah. If somebody's Zen-ing and they're suddenly, they got that dong going, who cares? You know what I'm saying?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  I thought it was funny. I thought it was a compliment and, but they were so corporate and nasty with me.

• 6:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  That I decided I'm going to make a competing product and we did. And then around that time, probably about a week or two later, I asked around, I never really asked anyone about Zen and I found out that almost every other person using Zen was using it rectally. I literally had no idea.

• 6:36Theo Von?

  They were using it what? They were?

• 6:37Speaker 01

  Rectally. Yeah. They use it rectally. Most Zen users use it rectally. And I didn't know that.

• 6:41Theo Von?

  What?

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:43Theo Von?

  Where at? Like cap, like five kappas or whatever?

• 6:45Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. Just normal consumers of it. Like, in fact, in a lot of places, when you buy it, you get a little tube of, I don't know if you ever bought it, but you get a little tube of Vaseline and some surgical gloves.

• 6:53Theo Von?

  No, I'm serious. And I had no idea.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  And I was like, in a country of 350 million people, like, there should be a pouch for your mouth. You know, it shouldn't all be rectal use. And by the way, I'm not in any way judging at all. I think it's consistent with like other parts of their lives, but, but whatever. I was like, this country needs an oral use only pouch. And so we made one.

• 7:15Theo Von?

  And so you guys made one.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I didn't know any of that. And I'm like hapless, you know, I'm putting it in my mouth and occasionally people would look at me like on a plane or whatever I put in my mouth and they would give me that look like that's not what you're supposed to do with that. But I didn't even know, I didn't have any reference points for it. But you know, you, you learn stuff as you age.

• 7:29Theo Von?

  Yeah. If you're using that third jaw, I think to catch a, to catch a nicotine hit, that's pretty wild.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Well, the problem is you can, you can overdo it and you forget it's hard to keep track of how many are there.

• 7:40Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  And you can just, a lot of things happen. I've never done it, but I have talked to people who are into it.

• 7:44Theo Von?

  It'll build up like a beaver dam back there. I feel like, you know, that's crazy.

• 7:51Theo Von?

  Tucker, good to see you, man. Here we are. We've already discussed erectile dysfunction, which I admitted I had, which is definitely never is going to help my dating life, but here we are.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  No, I think it makes you more, more relatable, less threatening. I bet you get a lot of calls after this, actually.

• 8:06Theo Von?

  Well, I will say this, though. If you took an erection pill, say you went on a date or something that was going pretty well and you took part of, or you nibbled off a little piece, because do not make the mistake of taking a whole one.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  What happens?

• 8:17Theo Von?

  Dude, I couldn't even hug somebody goodbye. I was just like, you know, like.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  You're like in seventh grade again.

• 8:23Theo Von?

  Oh dude, yeah, yeah. Cabs were stopping. It was like, what do you want, you know?

• 8:29Theo Von?

  So that wasn't, that wasn't good, dude. Like that was, um, yeah, you take a whole one, dude. Yeah, people will start hanging their coats on you and stuff. It's really, it can be a lot. But yeah, you would just nibble off enough. You started to gauge how much you needed. You'd nibble off.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  I feel like you could become dependent on it, though.

• 8:48Theo Von?

  Oh, you definitely did. But at a certain point, it like alleviated like the fear of like, of this, of a, kind of of the, it alleviated the fear.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Your performance anxiety.

• 9:00Theo Von?

  Right. It kind of like, so then after a while, you didn't need it all the time. So it kind of.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  That sounds helpful.

• 9:05Theo Von?

  Yeah. It was kind of like training wheels in a way, type of thing, you know what I'm saying?

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 9:09Theo Von?

  Yeah. Like you use it and then you don't need it. Um, but yeah, dude, that was a weird time, dude. I, one time I was over there and, uh, so the dude, like, we only had, we only had one bedroom, so I would just sleep on the couch, right?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  You show us some more to the story?

• 9:27Theo Von?

  There's nothing more.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Okay, so an older man moves you into his house and gives you boner pills, but it's totally on the level. Like, there was nothing weird at all?

• 9:33Theo Von?

  My friend's dad.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, good, okay.

• 9:35Theo Von?

  My friend's dad, and I think he like cheated on his wife or something, so he got kicked out.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:40Theo Von?

  And so, and I was looking for a place to live. Anyway, I used to go, like, I was learning the guitar at the time, and so he would have this lady stay over sometimes, and he would have me come in there and play music to him in the dark and shit. And I just learned how to play, um, Tears in Heaven.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Just to, again, to stand back and, you know, with no prior knowledge of the story at all, but just to like assess the facts as you played them out. You get invited to live with an older man.

• 10:04Theo Von?

  Yep.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  And a girl.

• 10:06Theo Von?

  He was athletic, he played tennis.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. Who has this stash of boner pills, and then he invites you into the bedroom with him and the girl to serenade them.

• 10:13Theo Von?

  Yes, at night, kind of.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  And this never got freaky at all, like, not for one sec. You were like, that's totally normal.

• 10:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, not at all. But it just, it was weird enough.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  It's the most LA story ever.

• 10:24Theo Von?

  It happened in Louisiana.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Oh, no way. I was thinking you were like Kato Kalin in the guest house.

• 10:29Theo Von?

  This happened in downtown New Orleans, dude, and I used to borrow his car. It wouldn't turn off. If you turned it off, you couldn't turn it back on. So you had to leave it running all the time, and you had to like put gas into it. So I'd go to, I'd use his car to go to school over there, over there at Loyola, and I would just leave it run. I would just like leave it running all day, dude. Ah. Anyway, Tucker Carlson, good to see you, man.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  It's great to see you.

• 10:53Theo Von?

  Great to see you. Congrats on ALP. Is it, is it doing well? I remember I went to y'all's party last year, and there was a lot of neat, neat people there.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:00Theo Von?

  Um, Josh Smith was there, I remember. Um, Lexi was there. Um, Mel Gibson was there last year, did he come?

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:10Theo Von?

  That was really nice of him, he's a great guy.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  He's a great guy, and there are a lot of people, yeah, no, it's actually done.

• 11:14Theo Von?

  Jimmy John was there.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Love Jimmy John Leato, one of my favorites. Vince Vaughn, all, you know, good guys. People who like nicotine, nicotine's super important. Um, this country's gotten far sadder and less healthy since it was discouraged. And, um, it's coming back, and I think, I think it shows, like, people are just happier. But, no, the, the company's done, so I've never been in business, I've never sold anything, I've only talked for a living. I didn't grow up around business, I know nothing about it, I'm terrible at math. So, yeah, it's done really well, so well that I'm, I feel a little bit embarrassed. But we have a big factory near here, 14 manufacturing lines. And it's like, it's cool.

• 11:53Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 11:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  It's actually been the single most amusing and purely fun thing I've ever done. Of course, I have no role in like the business. You would never allow me near a business, ever. But I'm super enthusiastic. I helped pick the name and the design and the flavors. Like, I know a lot about that because I'm a lifelong nicotine user, over 40 years. I know a lot about nicotine, but I know nothing about business. So I'm not involved in any of that. My college roommate runs it and is, you know, my best friend. So I, but I hear about it. But basically, yeah, it's been wildly successful because I think people want a pouch that you can put in your mouth. You don't have to put it in your butt. And a lot of people felt like they did. There's just a lot of pressure to do that. And you feel it all around you like, oh, it's totally cool. All the guys are doing it.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  And some, some people are like, I'm not gonna do that.

• 12:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, and I don't want to have to go to like a Tiesto or a John Summitt or a Levity concert, or have to go to like a widespread panic concert to get somebody to boo fit into my butt.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  100%.

• 12:52Theo Von?

  Through a straw or something. It's like, how do you even get help getting it in if you need help?

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Well, I think that's part of it. I think for a lot of people, Zen is a group activity. Like, it happens, you know, with like friends.

• 13:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  But, and that's fine.

• 13:04Theo Von?

  Tears in heaven.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 13:08Theo Von?

  I can't believe that was a song I played and that's what they made me play, dude. Would you know?

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 13:15Theo Von?

  That's the only first-

• 13:16Speaker 01

  When you were serenading the boner pill guy and his girlfriend?

• 13:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, what do you think I would play? I only knew that and Every Rose Has Its Thorn.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 13:23Theo Von?

  Those are like two of the beginner songs, man.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 13:26Theo Von?

  I was pretty good.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I would think it would be like Brown Eyed Girl or something, older guy.

• 13:29Theo Von?

  Oh, definitely. Well, Brown Eyed Girl, definitely if you're using one of those pouches you're talking about, dude. You know?

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's like kind of a classic boomer kicked out of the house with his younger girlfriend. Play Brown Eyed Girl, you know, it's kind of-

• 13:41Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I thought Brown Eyed Girl is something dealing with somebody's butt, you know? Hey, where did we go?

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 13:50Theo Von?

  Days when the-

• 13:51Speaker 01

  When the rains came.

• 13:52Theo Von?

  When the rains came.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Down in the hollow.

• 13:54Theo Von?

  Playing a new-

• 13:55Speaker 01

  So good!

• 13:56Theo Von?

  Playing a new game.

• 13:59Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying? So BLM, homie. Tucker Carlson's here, dude. Dude, you just, I just saw you got a top 10 podcast, one of the top 10 podcasts in America. Did you see that?

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Really? No, I didn't. I didn't.

• 14:11Theo Von?

  Did you see that?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 14:13Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  I honestly didn't know that. No, it's, we have a rule in our office, which we've stuck with for like, like 30, over 30 years now, to wherever I've worked, like, no compliments. You don't believe in that. So you don't ever want to work with people who compliment you at all. And you know when it's hitting and you can feel when you're doing what you're supposed to be doing. But having people around you are like, oh, we're kicking ass. You're so great.

• 14:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Like, that's the fastest way to rot your soul and just become an asshole. And having spent my life around assholes, I'm like, oh, I don't want to be that. So no, no, there's never any talk about that, ever.

• 14:49Theo Von?

  Well.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  But I'm glad to know that. It's better than being in the, I've certainly been in the bottom many times in my life.

• 14:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I had ratings that were so bad at one network I worked at, that there was some questions to whether, given the margin of error, anyone was watching, like anyone, any human being was actually watching.

• 15:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Like Nielsen couldn't tell you really with precision.

• 15:09Theo Von?

  Right.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  So I've been there.

• 15:11Theo Von?

  Dang. Yeah, well, now you're not there anymore. I mean, it is fascinating, especially to hear how quickly people have gone away from cable.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Do you have cable?

• 15:19Theo Von?

  I don't even know if I have it.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:22Theo Von?

  I mean, mostly I watch sports and then I just work a lot.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Totally. And there's just a lot of stuff, like you could spend your life texting. How many people do you text with every day?

• 15:30Theo Von?

  Oh, right. Too much.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 15:32Theo Von?

  But yeah, you wanted, you were a top 10 man, so pretty cool. And you were, you also got anti Semite of the year, or you got.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Did I win?

• 15:38Theo Von?

  No, I don't, you also got nominated for anti Semite of the year. Bryce Missold is campaigning, it feels like, so.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  He is, I love Bryce.

• 15:45Theo Von?

  I know.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  He was there, his son's named Tucker, by the way, I'm proud to say.

• 15:49Theo Von?

  His son is so cute, too.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  He's unbelievable.

• 15:51Theo Von?

  Did I see his son at your party last year?

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Yes, and his wonderful wife, yeah. The funny thing is, I'm not even an anti Semite and I'm against anti Semitism.

• 16:01Theo Von?

  I agree. How did that even like?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Every day for the last 10 years. I don't think, I think it is immoral to judge people on qualities they can't control that they're born with. I don't think that people are guilty by virtue of their blood. That's why I disagree with the Netanyahu cabinet. They believe the Palestinians are subhuman because they're Palestinian. And I just, that's an attitude that's anti-Christian. I totally reject it. I've criticized them for that specifically. And so I'm completely opposed to antisemitism. And so, and I mean it too. And by the way, if I was antisemite at this stage, I'd be like, yeah, I'm an antisemite. I love Hitler. I would just say it. Like, why not? I probably have the number one podcast.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  But I'm being totally sincere. I'm opposed to it. So why do they keep calling you that? Me that? And I know one of these guys very well in here. I said, I know Bryce, but I know another person on the bottom. I know two of them. I know Anna too. They're not only are non antisemites, they think antisemitism is immoral. So why do they call you something that you're not and that they know you're not? They do it to make you into what they call you. They are trying to make you a hater. And that is like the key insight I've had over the last year. It's like, I, I used to think, like, people would always call me racist. And I would do these like long monologues, like, actually, I'm not a racist. I would say so if I was.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  I kind of like black people, but it's not even, has nothing to do with whether I like black people or don't.

• 17:29Theo Von?

  I own a couple jerseys or whatever.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  I kind of do, but even if I didn't, hating people on the basis of racism is immoral. And so I'd do these like long monologues and I would stay up and write them, you know, at home and be like, I'm gonna tell the truth. And everyone would be like, shut up racist. And I'd be like, what is this? They could criticize me for all my real faults, which are super obvious, you know? I think they're very obvious. I, I get mad, I overstate things, I always gain a shit ton of weight every summer. Like, I have faults that are obvious to everybody, but they never attack me on those. They attack me on the things that I'm not. Why? And this year I finally figured it out. And it's like, they want to make you into a hater. Why? Two reasons. One, to control you. This is like a form of control.

• 18:13Theo Von?

  Why? Because then they can label you?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Sure. Then you're a Nazi. It's like, you don't need to, firstly, you can kill Nazis, right? So it's obviously to get you killed is part of it. But part of it is much deeper and it's spiritual. And that is that evil feeds on hate. They want more hate. So, and what's evil? How do we know if something's evil? Well, by its fruits. Is this someone who's lying?

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Angry, promoting violence, chaos, division. That's evil. I mean, that's literally the definition of evil and good is its opposite. It's unity, peace, happiness, love, order, cleanliness, or whatever. You know, it's, it's the virtues are really obvious. The sins are really obvious. And so evil feeds on hate. They want more hate. So I look at someone like Mark Levin, who was a guy I used to know. You know, whatever. I had strong feelings about the guy. One way or the other, he's all into Israel, whatever. I don't care. Be all into Israel. I was never against Israel. I'm still not really that against Israel, but whatever. I watched Mark Levin like go down this path where he's like crazed. He's crazed. It's almost like he's being attacked by bees or something.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Like there's no peace in that man at all. And I can't imagine what it's, I'm not being mean. I'm being sincere. That guy works tirelessly to make people hate him. Same with Rabbi Butt Plug, same with a bunch of these people you see on the internet where it's like, what, is this guy trying to win people over? Just the opposite. He's trying to alienate them. He's trying to make people hate him. Why? Because that's the nature of evil. It feeds on hate and goodness feeds on love. And you're around, if you're around a decent, honest person, you just feel this like warmth and attraction and calm. Right? You feel this around.

• 19:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, for sure. And I think you have to trust your own guiding light at a certain point.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  A hundred, at every point, at every point.

• 20:01Theo Von?

  Good and what is not.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  You, but you know it. I don't even think, like, we're so past rational argument. I mean, I've proven that by like every week dutifully doing the, actually, I'm against antisemitism. I hate antisemitism. Shut up, Hitler. Obviously, we're not at a point sadly in our history where rational debate makes any difference at all. They don't care.

• 20:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Charlie Kirk dedicated his life to it. They just shot him in the neck. Like they don't, they're not interested. They're not winnable. We're at a stage where the only thing you can trust is the, is God, the love of other people and your own God-given instincts. Like that is it. That's the guide period.

• 20:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, I mean, your pilot light of what you have to really lock in what your pilot light of what do you feel like is right and wrong?

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Exactly. Don't you think you know it too?

• 20:48Theo Von?

  I think at this point, you have to trust that more than ever.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  You have to trust it.

• 20:51Theo Von?

  Right.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Exactly, but but the knowledge is preexistent, like it's already in you, you know, you're like your dog doesn't need to be told who hates him, the dog's like, you know, he barks at the people who hate him, he knows and he doesn't lie to himself.

• 21:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Do you feel that?

• 21:04Theo Von?

  Oh, I think we've been lying ourselves or we've been passive about evil showing up in our world, I think.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:10Theo Von?

  I definitely believe that. And some of those things I want to talk about for sure. I mean, I saw this list and I'm like, well, first of all,

• 21:19Theo Von?

  Ms. Rachel's on it. That's when they lost me. I was like, what are you guys doing? If Ms. Rachel has to come out because she was obviously anti the war in Gaza, anti the genocide, and we've spoken up about it. I mean, there's no doubt in my heart and mind that it's a genocide. People can have other thoughts that they want. And that's fine. If you have your thoughts, that's great. I'm glad that you do. It just seems like that is a wrong thing. There was not a lot of question about it for me. Like, I learned about the history of the land and then I was like, this, well, this is just wrong. There's no reason that these

• 21:54Theo Von?

  children have to be getting killed, that that they're experimenting with different weapons and different tactics on this kind of like, basically this imprisoned group over there. And then when they, when I saw this in Ms. Rachel, I was like, what are we doing? Like, what do you need Burt and Ernie to come out and say that it's a genocide? Like, at what point do people not trust what they're seeing anymore? I think I'm kind of amazed, that that's the part that's made me think sometimes like I'm in this weird blender or aquarium. It's like, it's like, should more people speak up have not an, like, it almost like, why do you feel crazy for speaking up? Like, it just should feel like there's more.

• 22:35Theo Von?

  But then it's not my place to think that somebody else should feel the same way or should feel okay about sharing stuff. And it gets kind of scary, you know, it definitely gets super scary, you know?

• 22:47Theo Von?

  I think because

• 22:50Theo Von?

  You know, I think you don't know the, you don't really know what's going on. I think that's what it is. And if they would just say, hey, America is a country that's owned by Israel, or that it's always been just this outpost, or it's this LLC of Israel, or it's this, or of this, or maybe not even of Israel, it could just be of corporate entities. I'm not really sure exactly. But if they would just tell us, then you can operate from a place of knowing what's going on. But for some reason, there's this weird secretiveness about stuff. And when things are a secret, it feels evil, because it feels like it's in the dark, right?

• 23:30Theo Von?

  And, and then when you see, like, we're watching people dying, and kids dying, and it's supposed to feel like it's just in with the next reel, and the next trend dance, or whatever, it's just, it all becomes, um, it all becomes confusing. And so those are moments where you do have to lock in, you know, just prayer, asking God, what am I supposed to do? Just trusting like the part inside of yourself that you feel like you've developed over time, that's, that's, that's honest, I guess, or just trying to trust your heart, you know? I don't know, does that make any sense even?

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Not only does it make sense, it's so beautifully expressed. Yes, it makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of people watch, I'll speak for myself. I've been brooding on this, because my whole job is to try and find out what's happening, and then explain it. And it's just an endless series of frustrating cul-de-sacs, where you're like, why can't we know this, that, the other thing? I mean, whatever the story is. And in the last two weeks, I feel like I've gotten closer to understanding what's actually going on. And of course, I could be completely wrong, but I'm not. And it's made me so much happier, because the conclusion, I've sort of let go of a

• 24:41Speaker 01

  lot of my frustration and fear, because I've realized that we already know exactly what this is. Don't know a lot of the details, you know, could be wrong about this or that, you know? But big picture, we know exactly what's going on. And I think at this point, that if all the information, and all these different threads, whatever it is, especially the murders, not just the recent murders, but the, or attempted murders, but the, you know, the more historical ones. If all the relevant information came out tomorrow, would we be surprised? No, we wouldn't. We know what's up, actually. And there's enough evidence, but also our instincts tell us just by watching, like, what is this?

• 25:24Speaker 01

  And I agree with you completely. It's not just about Israel, this country. It's about whether or not self-government actually exists. Like, do any of these countries have a system where the people decide who their leaders are? And what the country should do collectively? Not really. Or it's more complex than that. Yes, I think elections are, to some extent, real and all that. But in the end, the big decisions are made not by nations, or kings, or presidents, or whatever we imagine, they're made by, you know, the world's richest people. And I know I don't think that's an ethnic group. It's not code language for the Jews.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  It's what it seems to be. It's the people with the biggest stake in this, who have the most to gain and the most to lose, are never going to leave the big decisions to, like, three zip codes in Pennsylvania. Like, come on now, come on now. Come on, son. Like, you know that that's true. And I'm not saying, by the way, I'm not claiming, you know, the all elections are totally rigged, or whatever, the source code belongs to Maduro. I'm not making any specific claims like that, because I don't know if they're true or not. But I know the big picture. If we, we know that Kennedy was pushing up against some forbidden things, and that's why he was killed. And who killed him? Well, it's not, it's too easy to say it was this group, or that group, or this group. It was all those groups acting in concert, or parts of those groups acting in concert.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Of course. That's all of what this is, right? Do you feel that?

• 26:55Theo Von?

  I like what you said about, if all the pieces came out, would you be that surprised? Like, if they laid the cards completely out?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Epstein, for example. You know, the one that everyone's-

• 27:06Theo Von?

  Right. I feel like that whole thing is some sort of, I think there's something, there's definitely stuff there, but then also, it's been such a kickball and a ruse for so long. It's like, both political parties had a chance to put it out, or to get, none of these people are operating on our behalf. That's what it feels like.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Well, that's kind of the truth that I'm talking about. That's what we would learn.

• 27:23Theo Von?

  That's what's scary. It feels like, if we had, it feels like, well, so many of us believe, and have believed, and have forefathers that have-

• 27:33Theo Von?

  Spilt their blood and risked their lives and have friends who are enlisted now

• 27:40Theo Von?

  to protect this thing that I feel like we, this idea of America.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:46Theo Von?

  And then that idea has gotten super blurry in the past few years.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  It has.

• 27:51Theo Von?

  And especially at a time when I think a lot of people like, there's a lot of fears with like technology in the future and not knowing, like where we're gonna find our sense of purpose, right? That's a big thing that we talk about on this show a lot of our time is like, you know, where do you find your sense of purpose? And people find it a lot of times in their job, through their family, in their country, through their religion, through their faith. So, you know, some of those start to go away and some of those even look blurrier for the future, almost like it's like Marty McFly when he looks at that picture and it looks like he doesn't even exist.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:25Theo Von?

  You know, and so it starts to make you think like, you know, if more of our purpose disappears and our traditions are challenged by media over the years, that they're not, that they're wrong, or they're racist, or they're this, or they're that, then you kind of end up with just, I don't know, it makes you feel like, well, what do I end up even, what even is the value of me at a certain point?

• 28:47Speaker 01

  I have the answer. I have the answer.

• 28:49Theo Von?

  Okay, and I don't also want to sound too dour, like I'm also looking at it from that perspective.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  You're speaking for millions of people when you say this, like everyone can feel, I think, people feel exactly what you're saying.

• 29:00Theo Von?

  And I still also feel like a lot of moments of hope of like, you know, like, okay, so I focus on my family, I focus on my friends, I focus on doing something nice for someone, I focus on somebody else other than myself.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 29:12Theo Von?

  You know, I do those things that do give you feelings of meaning and purpose, right? So, anyway, I'm not trying to be like a Debbie Downer, but go on.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  I think just the opposite, and by the way, I just want to amplify what you just said, because that is the answer, and then those aren't just feelings of meaning and purpose, that's the definition of meaning and purpose, is to love the people around you. Not people you've never met, not abstract concepts, communism, fascism, Zionism, whatever your ideology is. No, it's people. That's what it means to live a meaningful life is to serve other people. And by other people, I mean people who are physically present, who are connected to you in organic ways, like your relatives, your friends, your coworkers, your roommates, the people God puts in your path. Those are the people you love. Your waitress. Like, that's what it really means to love people. So that's number

• 30:00Speaker 01

  one, always. Love the people around you. And whenever I run into people like, I just want to save the world, or I want to come up with a new system to make everyone happy forever. And we're gonna call it whatever we're calling it.

• 30:11Theo Von?

  Ketamine.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  AI, or ketamine, ketamine.

• 30:14Theo Von?

  Yeah. And that's bailing out. There's people falling asleep at the car wash. They just had a guy, he fell asleep in there.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, those of us who've already been down the drug path are a little skeptical of being saved by drugs.

• 30:25Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure. But it's also dangerous. Some of those brushes are sharp in there. Like, I fucking fell asleep in that car wash. He was in for two cycles. He had that a sedan that went through. And finally, someone in the backseat saw him on the side. That dude was in there getting polished up.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  And he was a ketamine cat.

• 30:41Theo Von?

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• 34:35Speaker 01

  Ah, man, I thought I had, I've never done ketamine, but um. But I do think, okay, so the first purpose is to love the people around you. In your immediate orbit. And the second purpose is to tell the truth. So the short, the one sentence description of the whole thing that you just laid out, the way you're feeling is that we are discovering that we actually don't have control. Over anything big happening, we have no control.

• 35:03Theo Von?

  Right.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  And, and all this shit, all these systems that we've created and cherished and believed in and died for, as you said, were all in some sense illusory. They were fake because they gave us the false impression that we have control. Whether it's over our government or the future or whatever, we don't have any control. We do, we are on a commercial airliner in a thunderstorm. Okay, that's just what it is. And if you're in 17B, you have no control over whether the plane lands safely or crashes. You just don't, you have no control. We have to metabolize that, like, like, accept that. And once you do, there's total freedom in that. I actually can't protect myself really. As, as we say in my family are like family motto is there is no safety, there's only destiny.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  There is no safety, there's only destiny. And that's like. The deepest truth of life, like, we're not the authors of our lives. We can't really control that much about them, except a couple of things. Do we love the people around us and do we tell the truth? And if you want to prepare yourself for the turmoil that's only going to accelerate, this is all obvious, all of us can feel. The reason we're all so freaking anxious is we can feel this is the prelude to like real turbulence, like every person. Dogs can feel a thunderstorm coming three hours out. We can feel that.

• 36:18Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, you'll see your neighbor just doing circles in the yard.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, dude. And that's exactly, we are the German shepherds starting to freak out in the backyard because the weather's coming and we can't see it, but they can feel it and we can all feel that. So how do you protect yourself? Obviously buy gold, stash ammo, I, I, I believe in all that. But really what you need to do is make yourself strong inside by collecting your people close to you, staying in close touch with them and telling the truth, because telling the truth gives you spiritual power. The more you tell the truth, the more you are filled with supernatural power. You become invulnerable. It's exactly what a human being can be. I'm telling the truth and I don't care if you kill me. I really don't care because what I'm saying is real and it will outlive me. If you get into that habit, the exercise of just being honest as much as you can be, of course, you're a human being, so you'll lie all the fucking time because you can't

• 37:06Speaker 01

  help it. But if you keep doing that, you'll be filled with a spiritual power that is stronger than any other power.

• 37:13Theo Von?

  Do you believe that our country is compromised?

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Do I believe it's compromised? Uh, yeah. Yeah, I do.

• 37:22Theo Von?

  Do you believe that it's reversible?

• 37:26Speaker 01

  You know, I, I believe so. I mean, again, I'm so old, I'm 56, so like, I just grew up believing in everything, you know?

• 37:34Theo Von?

  You're younger than LeAnn Morgan. We just had her in here.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 37:37Theo Von?

  Have you ever listened to her?

• 37:38Speaker 01

  No. Does she seem old?

• 37:41Theo Von?

  No, she's great, dude. Both of you guys look great.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Really? She's older than I am?

• 37:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, she told me she was, unless she was lying.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  I don't believe her.

• 37:49Theo Von?

  There's that new thing.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  A lot of women do that. They pretend to be a lot older. That's like the true Jedi move for a woman to be like, actually, I'm 61. Like, a conventional woman will always be like, actually, I'm 29, but the really smart ones will be like, I'm almost 70.

• 38:01Theo Von?

  Yes. That's how they do it.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  That's right!

• 38:04Theo Von?

  She's a wonderful, beautiful comedian and she's hilarious. But anyway, she was a senior, but she's 60 years old.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  I bet she uses nicotine.

• 38:11Theo Von?

  Great. I don't, I bet. She does, she did smoke, she said in college.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, and look what it did for her.

• 38:16Theo Von?

  And she wears tight bras because she says it keeps her awake.

• 38:22Theo Von?

  So I love her, but um, well, yeah, do you think it's like, and I guess that's a big question. And also going back to what you said a little bit ago, like you said, but then I look at the history of time and it's like, people have always been under the thumb of some type of rule, haven't they? And so for us to be like, I mean, it's weird. It's like part of you, it's like you're supposed, don't be a baby about it, you know? Like you're just being a, like there's some sort of oppression. And even as people that can feed themselves, we're not as oppressed as so many other people. Or people that if they turn on the light, they're afraid it's going to activate a bomb in the corner of their room.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  I had dinner with a guy who works for us last night, literally last night. And he, I said, where are you, where were you born? And he goes, ah, I was born in Eritrea, but I, I grew up in a Sudanese refugee camp. I came to the United States. He's an amazing guy and a wonderful, wonderful guy. But I was like, gosh, you know, I'm really, I'm from La Jolla.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Stop whining. This is my internal dialogue. Stop whining, stop whining. I had to fly Southwest yesterday. Oh, no one suffered more than me.

• 39:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, La Jolla, but La Jolla is for sure the lap of luxury of America.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And almost every single childhood friend of mine was totally destroyed.

• 39:33Theo Von?

  Really?

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Not all, but most, oh, for sure.

• 39:35Theo Von?

  Just by the uh,

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Drugs.

• 39:37Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Drugs.

• 39:38Theo Von?

  Good drugs too.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Oh, the best. They didn't put, they did not put baby laxative in our cocaine growing up. No, no, no, that was a ghetto thing.

• 39:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  No, no, we had, it was almost blue.

• 39:50Theo Von?

  We had to wear diapers that it had so much baby laxative, it came with diapers. It came with fucking Huggies, bro, that shit. We had some stuff we bought off some pipes.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  I grew up in a, but anyway, the point is, um,

• 40:02Theo Von?

  Right, the point is though, that we've, there's always been some sort of like, there's always been a rule. There's always been something like that. I think that, but,

• 40:08Speaker 01

  The older you are, the sadder it is to see your illusion shattered and the harder it is to pivot. So if you talk to people who were like 23 and you're like, I think the moon landing is fake. They're like, yeah, Gramps, it was always fake. Like, what are you talking about?

• 40:20Theo Von?

  Who the fuck thought that was real? Look at the video one time.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Exactly. So that's a, Someone, one, a friend of mine who's unfortunately gone insane, but was a genius called James Carville. Once said to me, he goes,

• 40:31Theo Von?

  James Carville from the Democratic Party is from Louisiana.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Oh, he lives in New Orleans. Oh, yeah. No, I know him well, and he, he's gone crazy and whatever, but he really was in his prime like a genius and someone I listened to very carefully.

• 40:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  I'm gonna forget, we're in a restaurant in some foreign country, and he goes, "You know, people misunderstand the theory of evolution." And I was like, I can't even do his accent, but he'd be like, "Survival of the fittest, that's bullshit." That's not what he was saying. And I said, "Well, what was he saying?" And he goes, "It's survival of the most flexible. It's adaptability." And he had this whole incredible rap about "Strength is not actually the quality that helps you persevere in the face of change. It's flexibility, the ability to pivot with changes that you can't control."

• 41:15Theo Von?

  It's not the mass, it's the sale.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Exactly. And in fact, "Strength can be a feature of, or rigidity can be a feature of strength." Like, your, your windowpane is strong as hell, it'll last 200 years, but if you tap it, it'll just shatter. You know, you need to be able to move with the moment that you live in. And so I feel like young people are in a pretty good spot. But yes, for older people, it's hard to, it's very upsetting. I'm sure you feel it. You're much younger than I, but you still feel like, oh my gosh, I, I thought this was real, and it's not. And it's like heartbreaking. It's crushing.

• 41:50Theo Von?

  I see it a lot in like just my, my, probably my mother and things like that, see their disappointment kind of.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 41:56Theo Von?

  Or just uncertainty about what's going on.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  And they love the country so much.

• 41:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  It's real. It's sincere love, too.

• 42:01Theo Von?

  That's the thing. I mean, it's like, it's something that's beautiful that you felt like was a certain way. And now maybe some ethnicities and cultures didn't feel like it was that way. And so sometimes I can understand that there's different points of view there. But I still believe that the idea of America and what it's been,

• 42:16Theo Von?

  and that its goals, and that the humans that want it to be that are, that it's altruistic, you know?

• 42:23Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 42:24Theo Von?

  But that you start to realize, oh, that these powers above us, They're, they have something different going on in that, um, they, you would think that they would, I guess they just won't tell us, you know? And so I think that's where some of my fear is, it's just like.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Well, evil thrives in darkness, so there's no doubt about that.

• 42:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's like, what does it mean to be part of something moving forward? What does that thing even look like? Like, if I'm a citizen here now, what is, in five years, what is, what am I a citizen of? If I, am I a citizen of a country that does genocides? Am I a citizen, you know, who am I? You know, like, I think I was watching some of the Gaza stuff and I kept thinking like, well, surely America will come in at some point and help.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  And stop this.

• 43:04Theo Von?

  Right, that was like my thought.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Especially since we're not, when you say genocide, you're not guessing. It's not like some propaganda term. It's the definition and we know that not just from the video of its victims, but from the testimony of the people perpetrating it. Members of the current government, hot cabinet secretaries in the current Israeli government are on tape, including this week, saying, "We kill them because of how they were born."

• 43:32Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Oh my, yeah.

• 43:34Theo Von?

  Like, what's an example of that?

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Smotrich, Ben Gavir, oh, many, look, we need to get them out.

• 43:42Theo Von?

  Let me see that, man.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  These are people who were born there.

• 43:44Theo Von?

  I just want to see if that's.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's insane.

• 43:46Theo Von?

  It is?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Because, look, people, you know, you often hear apologists for what's happening there, for the atrocities, say, "Well, look, it's war, people die." Okay, one of the reasons I'm not that enthusiastic about war, because innocents die. We always have to oppose the murder of innocents, or else we're not civilized. What is civilization? We're on the good side, we're civilized, they're savages. There are a lot of savages in this world, I know some. And what separates the savage from the civilized person is the civilized person will never accept the murder of innocents. You didn't do anything wrong, we can't kill you. It's that simple.

• 44:18Theo Von?

  Well, just, I don't like it if it's unfair.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  But that's the definition of unfair. You didn't do anything, a child didn't do anything.

• 44:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Or an unarmed woman did not deserve to be murdered.

• 44:29Theo Von?

  And who is this?

• 44:30Speaker 01

  That's Smotrich. That's the Finance Minister of Israel.

• 44:42Theo Von?

  The truth is, until the last hostage returns, we shouldn't even give water to the Gaza Strip. For a year and a half, we've been beating the hell out of Hamas. We're breaking Gaza apart, leaving it as a pile of rubble, with total unprecedented destruction in the world, and the world still hasn't stopped us. The aim is to achieve the one and only required outcome: the conquest of Gaza, the annihilation of Hamas, and the return of all the hostages. In one word, victory. So that's their view on it, right there, you know?

• 45:13Speaker 01

  He's saying, "We're killing people and leveling the country in order to move the population out." So how is that different from saying, "There are certain people in my capital city I don't want here. I'm gonna put them on trains and move them east." There's no difference. People are being killed and expelled from the place where they were born because of their bloodline. That, in the world that I grew up in, which is the United States of America, the main lesson, the lesson of World War II, the reason we fought against fascism was we reject that.

• 45:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's the thing.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  We do not kill people, or expel them, or put them on trains, or put them in internment camps, or move them to, quote, "third countries", as Smotrich just said, because of how they were born. Exactly, because of their bloodline. Because we don't accept that, because we're Christians. We think that every person was created as an individual and judged as an individual, period.

• 46:04Theo Von?

  And this to me has-

• 46:05Speaker 01

  We don't believe in this shit. That's the enemy of civilization, right there. The Israelis, to be clear, are not the only people who think this way. Plenty of people think this way. But we are better than all of them, because we don't think this way. And all of a sudden, you've got people in the United States, current United States government, you've got people in our media class, they're all defending this because they agree with it. And then you see people jumping up and being like, "Muslims shouldn't have jobs in the United States", and it's like, or in the US government, it's like, "How is that better than saying Jews shouldn't have jobs, or Christians, or Buddhists?" It's all the same. That kind of thinking is genocidal. It leads to the genocide we're watching right now in Gaza, and to many other genocides. For the fifth time, it's not just Israel that does this, okay? But this is what we're fighting against. This is why we're better. Why are we better?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Because we have more, and better shopping? Or because we have, you know, Mount Shasta and Key West? No.

• 46:54Theo Von?

  Because we have some moral compass.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 46:56Theo Von?

  And we're able to also take care of ourselves at the same time, I think.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  But our moral compass is what? It's based on what's the north? What's north of our moral compass? We don't kill innocents. And yes, we have, and we regret it, and we grieve over it because it's wrong. That's our moral compass right there. If you didn't do anything wrong, we don't get to kill you or expel you from your home because you're innocent. Because we believe in justice, also called fairness. That's the whole fucking point of this country. And so when I see people arguing against that or calling me a Nazi when they're literally wholesale adopting the Nazi mindset, I, my, but then I think, you know what? I'm not mad. This is the state of play in life. It's always been this way. And my job is what?

• 47:43Speaker 01

  To love the people around me and to tell the truth no matter what. And I think that's freeing.

• 47:49Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, I think, I do think, once you say like, yeah, if I get to a point where I can just share what I think or what I feel, whether I'm right or wrong.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:58Theo Von?

  If I can speak up for my feelings. But then also, if you look at our history, we kind of, America was, did that to other people.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:04Theo Von?

  When it started.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:05Theo Von?

  And you would think that we'd learned that it was wrong. And that's where we are now.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Well, we've acknowledged that it's wrong, I think. I mean, look, there's a, you can acknowledge something is wrong without, you know, self-flagellating to the point where you're incapable of like going forward, which is kind of where we are.

• 48:20Theo Von?

  It's like you can't do it to the point where you're incapable of going forward. Like, oh, well, we also, this, this mistake was made not by us. This mistake was made by people in the past or at that time who believed that colonialism was fine. And that was a different, people were playing by a different set of rules.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  That's the whole point of America is that we have like standards of decency, fairness. I love that you use that word because that is the core of it. It's fairness. Justice is overused, fairness is underused. It's just, a child knows what's fair. If his brother's getting three Oreos and he's getting one, that's just unfair. He doesn't have a degree in economics. He just feels it. He knows it. The sense of fairness is innate. Dogs have it because it's part of the natural fabric. It's organic and. We are a fair country and the rich man gets the same treatment in the justice system as the poor man. It doesn't matter where you're from. You're both citizens and you're both equal because you're both created by God. That's our whole system in one sentence,

• 49:14Speaker 01

  and that is being eroded because the people who run our system agree with Smotrich and every other third world dictator. These people are damned by their birth, whatever they are. That's what affirmative action is. It's like, no, I don't like the way your parents looked. You don't get the job. What? That's what we hated about the Nazis, what we hated about segregation, which I want to say was evil. Segregation was evil. Why? Because it punished some people and rewarded others on the basis of things they couldn't control, their skin color.

• 49:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, and we'd had mixed babies a lot sooner too, which are pretty cute, a lot of them.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  There are all kinds of other effects, but like fairness is what we need to preserve. Why is Epstein infuriating? Because it's unfair. That's why. Not just because he molested kids or his buddies molested kids. It's because the president of Harvard was involved in it. Alan Dershowitz, all these famous people, Prince Retard, whatever the guy in Great Britain, that kind of retarded looking prince.

• 50:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, that guy is...

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Bill Gates, all the most powerful people in the world got away with it. And there's tons of child molestation in America, but there's the expectation that they'll be punished for doing it. These people we know in our hearts will never be punished because they're rich.

• 50:20Theo Von?

  But we don't know...

• 50:20Speaker 01

  That's unfair.

• 50:22Theo Von?

  We don't know for sure that they molested children, though.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  We don't. We don't know for sure. But we know that there's never been a real inquiry into it because the people around it were powerful and rich. That we can say for sure, and that's still happening.

• 50:35Theo Von?

  Okay, well, that I'll say is that, yeah, there's obvious that there's not of, it feels like there's an unfair investigation that's, or a lack of investigation, or it's just this lie that keeps getting remodeled. It's this clay of a lie that keeps getting remodeled and put into the museum in front of us all the time.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  But go to all your neighbors on the street and ask them.

• 50:55Theo Von?

  Oh, everybody thinks something happened.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  No, but ask them, like, if you, if your name popped up as like a visitor to Petto Island 11 times, do you think you would like be protected in the way that all these other people have been protected? Of course not. You have no money and power. You'd be grounded

• 51:09Theo Von?

  Oh, Dershowitz had a fast pass, I think, if anybody had one.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  That guy's unbelievable.

• 51:12Theo Von?

  I don't know, but I don't know anything. That's just allegedly. So I have to pee really fast.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Good. I'm gonna go too.

• 51:18Theo Von?

  You are?

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Can we go together like women?

• 51:19Theo Von?

  No.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Nope. Good. I like your attitude. Nope.

• 51:23Theo Von?

  Anyway, we just took a pee break, guys, so we're back. Why do you think that you made the anti Semite list?

• 51:29Speaker 01

  I think because I'm not an anti Semite.

• 51:33Theo Von?

  Right, and I get what you're saying, it's like a thing.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  No, but I mean, I'm literally not an anti Semite and I reject antisemitism as totally immoral and anti-Christian, so I'm not only not by temperament an anti Semite, you know, million Jewish people I love, I also reject it as a way of thinking.

• 51:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  And so, why would they call me that? And it's sincere, again, for the fifth time, if I was, I would just say so.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  And I'm not, so why do they call me that? Well, because I think, they think I'm effective, because I'm not a hater, right? So they have to take out the guy who actually might change people's minds. But I think it's deeper than that, I think there's a spiritual dimension where they want me to become an anti Semite and a hater, both so they can control and dismiss me, oh, he's a Nazi, he's David Duke, or whatever, he's crazy. But also because some of the people pushing this are evil, and by evil, I mean specifically, they are committed to lying and violence. And those are the hallmarks of evil, lying and violence, and chaos and division.

• 52:32Theo Von?

  So they're not gonna play by any other rules?

• 52:34Speaker 01

  No, no, no, this is not, so we're not in a, we're not where we used to be, or we used to pretend we were.

• 52:39Theo Von?

  Where we all thought we were playing by the same rules.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Right, and the rules were, if you have a better argument than I have, then you win.

• 52:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  And may the best argument win. We're so far beyond that, and I think the murder of Charlie Kirk was the moment when we could just admit it to ourselves, this is a guy whose whole life revolved around the proposition, let's, let's debate. And they didn't want to debate whoever they is, they murdered him, and, and to be specific, who killed Charlie Kirk? Well, I don't know, is the short answer, but I, when we do find out, if we ever do, doubt we will, but if we do, I think, again, we'll not be surprised, it's just all tentacles from the same octopus, and the octopus is evil.

• 53:16Theo Von?

  Right.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  It's not an ethnic group, it's not a country, it's evil, this is what evil is. What is evil? Evil is a commitment to deception and violence, period, that's what it is. So it's too easy to be like, oh, it's Netanyahu or Smotrich or whatever. No, it's evil. It's existed from the beginning of time. It will exist until the end of time, and it has been the thing against which people have fought through all of history. It's evil. It manifests itself in a million different ways, but its hallmarks are always dishonesty and violence.

• 53:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, it feels like we've been a bit afraid to stand up against evil. Does that make sense to you?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Of course it does.

• 53:51Theo Von?

  John Rich was just talking about it on your podcast the other day, and I thought that that was a really neat episode.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Wonderful.

• 53:56Theo Von?

  And I, um, I learned a lot about John Rich and just like his clarity of thought I thought was really neat.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  We were on a hunting trip and a pheasant hunting trip two weeks ago when we did that. He can shoot too, which is nice.

• 54:07Theo Von?

  Can he?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  He can. He was bringing him down.

• 54:10Theo Von?

  We had a lot of hits, I know.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  But that, yeah, but we shouldn't be afraid of it and we shouldn't be, so my struggle is against being shocked. Like every time I learn something, I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe, I'm so, I can't believe it. Like this or that institution's corrupt, or this or that person is lying. And it's like, the, I'm acting like a child. Why would I be shocked? That's what this is. What did you think it was, dude? We live in a fallen world filled with dishonesty and violence. My job, all of our jobs are to fight against those things.

• 54:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, people always want to be in a war. People always like, man, I wish I had something that was like a challenge in the world. It's like, we are in, we are in a fight of good and evil.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  We are.

• 54:50Theo Von?

  And it's not to say that any of us are perfect, or that we don't all have mistakes or things that we wish we had done or not done. But overall, it does feel like this is like a video game of good versus evil. And you have to start to see that, like, you're a player in it. One thing that I-

• 55:07Speaker 01

  This is why you're so effective. This is why, you know, at some point, people may try to make you be quiet. Is because you approach all of this with humility, which is one of the hallmarks of good, in my opinion. Like, almost every sentence you begin on this topic begins with, I'm no one to judge, and I'm not, you know? That is the posture. Humility is the posture. And one thing you notice about evil is its certainty, is its judgmental, condemnatory quality. You know, Mark Levin, you're evil, you're fascist, anti semi-Nazi, Islamist, whatever.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  It's mirror image is what you just showed, which is, you know, we're all kind of screwed up, but we're trying to get to the truth. Like, that is, that's the approach. That's the posture. That's the way to tell the truth.

• 55:53Theo Von?

  Well, I think that's what most people are doing. That's what most people are trying. You know, I feel like-

• 55:56Speaker 01

  Because that's truly honest. Like, I've been wrong about so much. Am I really going to stand up and be like, "I am positive this is like, no, I'm doing the best I can." That's the only honest way to approach it.

• 56:05Theo Von?

  When especially like as a country, when you're paying into taxes and you're, and you're showing up to vote and you're trying to help your neighbor and you're, you know, you're trying to follow the rules and do the best that you can, uh, you, you know, you, at a certain point, that's like, you're, you're, you're giving into something as a group that you're like giving into something like, "This is how we believe that we should behave and that it best suits us moving forward." And then when it's, it's really started to just feel, and I think it's kind of obvious at this point, that the higher-ups are not working for us anymore. They're not working with us. And that's what I think has become the most evident in the past year especially, is that people are like, "Oh, our, no matter who we elect, on which side, whatever it is, it's all this sort of shell game."

• 56:51Theo Von?

  And we're finally starting to see some of it. And I thought it was interesting that, um-

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Well, not working for us is the, is the kind of the most benign description. Like, not working for you, that's just indifference. That's abandonment. That's when your parents like go on vacation and don't come home. What's happening to us is having like a creepy stepfather. Like, I actually think there's malicious intent here.

• 57:10Theo Von?

  But how could so many politicians and stuff get compromised? That's what I don't understand. Wouldn't there be more people that stood up and said, "Hey, this isn't right"? Like, I, I, I, that's what I find hard to believe.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Well, um, because they all made the deal. And all of them, all of them make the deal. And the deal is not always explicit. And the deal, everyone thinks it's about sexual blackmail, which is totally real. All the porn sites are visible. Like, go to a porn site. People know exactly what you're looking at and there's video of you looking at it. It's just a fact. And, um, okay, so there's that.

• 57:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  And there are a lot of them are secretly gay. Of course, we know that, but I don't think, and have drinking problems or cheating their wives or whatever.

• 57:48Theo Von?

  Is that enough to keep people?

• 57:50Speaker 01

  No, I think it's actually deeper than that. It's not enough. It's not enough. Like the obvious ones like, why is Lindsey Graham for this or that war? It's like, okay, yeah, I got it. But a lot of-

• 57:59Theo Von?

  Cause if you're trying to slurp on little fellas or whatever, or you're jacking off to like, you know, butt activity or whatever, like, does that like, you know, like, I mean, definitely-

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Slurping on little fellas.

• 58:11Theo Von?

  I mean, pedophile-ing is bad. It is not good at all. It's horrible. Right? But if you're just like looking at per not, I'm just like-

• 58:19Speaker 01

  That's not the answer though. That's not, that's not, most of them are not being sexually blackmailed. Some are. I mean, I think the Epstein thing was probably that to some extent. But no, it's much deeper and more recognizable and part of our daily life than that. It's much more insidious than that because it's less dramatic than that. It's the deal that we all make with ourselves to get what we want. Like, I want to be powerful. I want to get re-elected. I want to get rich. I want to bang that girl. And you make these compromises with yourself in which you consciously decide to be dishonest. You decide in some cases violent, that is true. Or whatever.

• 58:55Theo Von?

  How do they get so many people though? Cause like you look at some of these-

• 58:58Speaker 01

  The system itself is that. Like you get, in order to get elected, I have to do the following things. I have to basically subvert democracy by carrying water for a tiny group of people against the interests of my actual voters. Like that itself is a sin. It's a crime. But it's so ubiquitous, you don't even notice it. It's deals like that. I'm going to take money from a foreign lobby that somehow isn't registered as a foreign lobby. Or whatever. I'll support this thing that I think is probably pretty wrong, but I'm going to do it because I have to. It's those kind of moral compromises that wind up making people slaves. And that's what they are. They're slaves. We have hundreds of slaves, otherwise known as members of Congress. And what are they slaves to? Evil?

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Because they've made these compromises in order to get what they think is the prize, which is reelection.

• 59:45Theo Von?

  Dang, it's a crazy movie.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  It's real though, man.

• 59:48Theo Von?

  I know, that's a crazy-

• 59:49Speaker 01

  But it's all of us, like, all of us have made that deal. That's why it's so important to reframe it in your head. It's not just some freak on Pedo Island, you know, banging a child and then, "Oh, they have him by the balls because they have videotape of him." No, no, it's all of us. If I just do this thing, it's worth it, man. It's for the greater good, it's for my family, it's for, you know, I need, you hear this every election season.

• 1:00:10Theo Von?

  Right, I need a boat, I need a-

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  "I don't wanna vote for this shithead, but we need to control the Congress." What is that? You're making a deal with the devil, dude. With the devil, that's what that is. Bat on before me and all of this will be yours. That's the deal. Don't make that deal. Because you lose yourself, you lose your freedom, all of a sudden you're a slave. And you see these politicians, they're like, "Oh, no, it's, it's not, no, there are good reasons for doing this, no, really." What is that? It's not a free man, that's an enslaved man. And you know the people who are free because they exude this kind of peace and joy and they're like, "No, I don't care, I'll say whatever I think is true." You can shoot me, go ahead and shoot me. It's not gonna change anything. Because you're lying and I'm not.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Like, it's freedom versus slavery and we put ourselves in slavery with that deal.

• 1:00:58Theo Von?

  Well, the pain of like, of holding on to like lies and stuff like that-

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:03Theo Von?

  And shame and stuff like that, it's really-

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  But haven't we all lived that? You've lived that, right?

• 1:01:07Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yes, well, that's why getting sober is so liberating, not just because you're not on drugs or alcohol, which is itself liberating, but because you admit what you did and then you're like, "Oh, man, I admitted I was a coke hater. I drank vodka in the morning." In my case, it's like, it's pretty fucking embarrassing, but once you admit it, it's like-

• 1:01:25Theo Von?

  I was putting Alps in my butt, yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  No, it's zen.

• 1:01:29Theo Von?

  Sorry.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Alp is oral use only.

• 1:01:31Theo Von?

  Alps for the front.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  It's the pouch for your mouth.

• 1:01:33Theo Von?

  Oh, I like that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alp for the front. They should say "for the front" on them, they should have a special-

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  We may do that, we're gonna get that hat. Because we already have for oral use only, the pouch for the mouth, but this goes in the front. But you're gonna have like some urethral injuries if we're not more specific.

• 1:01:50Theo Von?

  Dude, I used to date a girl and her cooter was like way more in the front than it was like kind of in the lower part.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Actually?

• 1:01:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  How did that work mechanically?

• 1:01:57Theo Von?

  It worked. You know, it just, I don't know, I don't know all the logistics or whatever.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  You sure it wasn't post-op? Was this natural?

• 1:02:03Theo Von?

  No, this was natural, dude, and I've worked in urban planning, so I know how- You know what I'm saying? Like, I know how things work a little bit, but yeah. She had the, her

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  You understand bridges and tunnels.

• 1:02:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, I was saying, yeah. This hercutor was up front, kinda. But anyway, I don't know why we're talking about that.

• 1:02:20Theo Von?

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• 1:03:00Theo Von?

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• 1:05:59Theo Von?

  That's F O R the people.com slash T H E O. This is a paid advertisement. Like, do you think that if we elected different officials? That things would be different, or do you think that no matter who gets in there, that the compromising happens these days?

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  No, I think, I think leadership is the most important thing.

• 1:06:22Theo Von?

  Why doesn't somebody come up with an app and that tells us like who, like what elected, like who's running? Right? Because a lot of people don't have time to focus on exactly who's running, right? They don't have as much time. They're busy. Both parents are working. People are running around. They're picking their kids up. They gotta get their kid to T-ball. They've gotta make sure their kids get fed and they have to make sure that the, some, one of the parents is there to read them a bedtime story. Before the other parent goes and works all night as a security guard somewhere, um, just to make ends meet, right? So, why don't they have like an app that says, okay, this, these are the candidates. This one doesn't accept any money from any of these places. It feels like it would be very easy and obvious to create an app like that, that would tell you exactly who to vote for.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  I think that's right. The problem is, we're getting to a point of like knowledge about things. Like people sort of are figuring out what's going on, that in order to be honest, now you have to be truly honest. If, I think people are so wary of being lied to, that if you sense that someone's like gotta, you know, I'll be all honest about this stuff, but not about that thing. That's not enough. So, true honesty, also called integrity, is what is needed.

• 1:07:32Theo Von?

  It's hard.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Well, you get killed, you know, you get killed. Like the system itself, and this is not the result of any foreign power or any, this is just like the nature of systems, will, will work to expel you the same way your body works to expel bacteria or cancer. It's like, the organism doesn't want this and you see it. I've known very few honest members of Congress. I've known a couple, however. One of them just less, left Congress and the other is being primaried.

• 1:07:59Theo Von?

  MTG, you're talking about Marjorie Taylor Greene?

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Exactly. And, and Thomas Massey from Kentucky. And by the way, I don't agree with everything. It doesn't, it's not even about that.

• 1:08:07Theo Von?

  What does being primaried mean? I'm sorry to interrupt you.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  It means that your own party says, we want you out. And so, we're gonna run someone from your party against you in the primary. Your party has turned on you. And it's like, what is that about? And it's about not simply the fact that he disagrees with them on foreign policy, which is really, the whole project really is just foreign policy, nothing to do with like, your tax rates or your debt load.

• 1:08:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, he's like anti AIPAC, he's big against those types of things.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's not for pointless wars. So that's a deal killer. But it's not just that. It's the he, so yeah, the Israeli lobby's mad at him, got it. But it's deeper. It's, he won't be controlled. And if he doesn't think something, he's not gonna say it. Period. He may be wrong, but he's sincere. Sincerity is the kryptonite. That's, that's what makes the evil person die, is sincerity. No, I really mean it. I'm not kidding. You, I can't be bought. I'm totally sincere. If they smell sincerity on you, well, that's why they're calling me the most dangerous anti Semite since Adolf Hitler himself. It's like, what? Because I'm not a genius. I'm not powerful at all. I'm a fucking podcaster.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  Like, I don't have actually any power. But I'm not kidding at all. I'm completely sincere. I may be wrong, I often have been, but I'm not joking.

• 1:09:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  That itself, so they're hassling me. Imagine if I was a member of Congress, or a presidential candidate, or anybody who has sincerity is marked immediately. Cause that person's a threat to everybody currently benefiting from the system. And you saw that with Marjorie.

• 1:09:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, what do you think happened there? Because a lot of people say that allegedly she made a lot of money off of stock returns and stuff like that.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  That just cracks me up. That's like saying, you know, have you been, I know, I was just talking to Tim Dillon the other day, who's a friend of mine, awesome guy, but.

• 1:09:56Theo Von?

  He's the best.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  He is the best. And, but, you know, he's, everyone, they're all claiming, he's taking money from Qatar.

• 1:10:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, me too, they say that.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Oh, they say that about you?

• 1:10:04Theo Von?

  Yeah. I went there once out of blast, dude.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  I'm going tomorrow.

• 1:10:08Theo Von?

  Are you?

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  I'm buying a house in Qatar. Why am I doing that? Cause fuck you. Not only have I never taken a dollar from Qatar or anybody, I have no investors, zero, I have no debt. I don't owe anybody anything. Period and never will. I'm never taking money for them. I'm gonna, I'm gonna invest money in Qatar. I'm gonna do just the opposite, just to, just to give the figure. Plus, it's a great country.

• 1:10:29Theo Von?

  Dude, I had a great time when I was there. They treated it super nice. I know that they have different rules and stuff for their people. And that we may disagree with some of them and stuff like that. It's like, but those aren't my rules. I don't have to, you know, like if I go visit, I have to live by their rules. But if I'm, if I'm, if I'm from our country, then I can live by our rules.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Completely agree, but they, they accuse you of what they are and what they are is corrupt. So Marjorie, did she make a ton of money trading on stocks with insider information? I bet my house she didn't. I mean, this is somebody I know well and

• 1:11:00Theo Von?

  You do know her well.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  I know her well. And you can agree or disagree with her, of course, but you can't say she's in it for the money, really? I don't think so. I don't think she's interested in money. I think she's interested in the country. And again, we can debate whether she's on the right track or the wrong track. You think her ideas are smart or stupid. But her sincerity is the most obvious thing about her and it's also the most threatening thing about her. In fact, it's the only thing that they hate is sincerity because sincerity is purity and it can't be bought. And so of course they accuse, the first thing they're like, oh, you must be getting paid by somebody. No, I'm not. And that's why you hate me.

• 1:11:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  If I, if I was as corrupt as Dan Crenshaw, you really think they would hassle me?

• 1:11:41Theo Von?

  Dan Crenshaw, the guy from Texas?

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Theo Von?

  Is he corrupt?

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Well, on the most deep, on a moral level, he's completely corrupt. I mean, he takes orders from his donors to do things that have nothing to do with the welfare of his voters. So by definition, he's corrupt, yes. And also crazy and, and drunk and all the rest. Sad, sad. I'm not, actually.

• 1:12:01Theo Von?

  I think I met him at a nightclub one time.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I'm sure you did. But I shouldn't be, I feel sorry for Dan Crenshaw, being serious. But anyway, the point is the more corrupt you are, the more they like you because they can control you. What they don't want is someone who might do something unexpected who they can't control. That's what they fear. Obviously, it's what everybody fears.

• 1:12:21Theo Von?

  But do you think that as, well, for, for, so for Marjorie, do you, what do you think happened in that meeting? Cause she had a meeting, I guess, with Trump?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know what happened between her and Trump. I know what happened to her over the past five years, serving in Congress, which was she was like.

• 1:12:38Theo Von?

  Uh, Trump withdrew, Trump withdrew his political endorsement and publicly insulted Greene, labeling her as a traitor due to her vocal opposition to his handling of Epstein files and other policy disagreements.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:50Theo Von?

  Um, Greene announced her resignation effective January 5th, 2026 to avoid a divisive primary challenge. But why not?

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Divisive?

• 1:12:56Theo Von?

  Uh huh.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Is it divisive?

• 1:12:58Theo Von?

  A primary challenge?

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  Divisive.

• 1:13:00Theo Von?

  Oh, divisive.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  I've never figured.

• 1:13:01Theo Von?

  They change it so much.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, they do. They do.

• 1:13:03Theo Von?

  Um, do they, but why not go and challenge then? Why, why secede then? Why not go and say, okay, I'm going to keep fighting and people are going to support you?

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  I honestly don't know the answer.

• 1:13:14Theo Von?

  You don't?

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  The only thing I know, I, I really don't. I haven't talked to her about it and I don't know the answer. Um, I'm sure there's thinking behind it that I'm not that great at polit, you know, the thinking about like what the right move in politics is, but I know big picture what happened because I saw it up close, which is she showed up very much like any other person. It's like this, this country has problems. I want to fix them. And she shows up and all people are like, shut up, honey. Um, she was getting too close to what the truth is. And the truth is the people running the system are completely corrupt and the welfare of their people, our country's people is not even on their list of concerns at all. They're beholden to the people who pay them and, or who threaten them. And she

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  said that out loud and oh man, they, she had like very few allies. Once you say that, you're marked. So I think she concluded, this is my understanding, she concluded, I can't, I'm having no effect here at all. It's driving me crazy. And, um, and the Epstein thing, you know, I, I've never understood what the justification for keeping that information secret. Epstein was murdered in prison. Okay. I know a lot about it. I'm not just throwing that out there. Epstein was murdered in prisons.

• 1:14:29Theo Von?

  Well, they put him with a cellmate that was kind of a crazy, like, former police officer, right?

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, former police officer, killed a number of drug dealers. I'm not saying that guy did it, but I'm saying, well, I asked Bureau of Prisons, because I learned all this stuff about it, because I know Epstein's brother Mark well. And I never expected to get down this rabbit hole at all. I had, the guy called me, like, a week after his brother was killed.

• 1:14:49Theo Von?

  Mark did?

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, yeah, I was literally sitting in my backyard in Maine, and he called me, and I don't know how he got my cell, and we, it ended up this years-long thing. It's not interesting, and I won't bore you with it, but the bottom line is, Jeff Epstein was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the secure unit. I think there were only 16 men on the unit, and I think only 14 there that I, I may have that slightly wrong, but it's very small, and it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States, and he got murdered in it. So that raises all kinds of obvious questions, like, who has the power to do that? So it's a big deal. And then the Attorney General at the time helped cover it up. And I know him, and Bill Barr. So I, and I say that, and he's like, oh, I'm gonna sue you.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  And I said, go ahead and sue me. I hope you will. And what's the answer? Like, why don't you answer? He never will. Well, it turns out, and this does make you crazy, that his father, Donald Barr, is the guy who started Epstein's career, who both gave him his first job, for which he was not qualified, and then got him his second job at Bear Stearns, for which he was definitely unqualified. What is that, a former CIA guy, OSS guy? But anyway, the point is, that question of how an American citizen, kid toucher or not, could get murdered in federal lockup in our biggest city, like, holy shit, that should scare everybody. And then the Attorney General of the United States is covering it up. He, he admitted, this is the Attorney General, when Epstein was murdered,

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  said, I told everyone around me, we need to make sure the country believes this was a suicide. It's like, you haven't even done a freaking investigation? You're, you're the chief law enforcement officer, and you're telling me the outcome before you even look into it?

• 1:16:30Theo Von?

  How do you know that?

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Because he admitted it in his autobiography. And so I'm not guessing at any of this stuff, okay? So, so I called Bureau of Prisons and I'm like, I want the names of the inmates who are serving on this block, because clearly, nobody got in or out of the block.

• 1:16:46Theo Von?

  It's Right, well, it also was a question to our, like, um, to our prison system. It's like, how would you not know, like, obviously, this is the guy you have to protect.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  They did it on purpose, and he was murdered clearly by another inmate. And there's so much, I mean, I did like, an hour on this. Anyone interested can look it up, but I, I'm not a conspiracy nut at all. I've been a journalist my whole life. I've often been wrong, but I've always been attentive to what I believe the facts to be. I think it really matters whether you're accurate. Um, and I've tried to be. So, it was not a perfect storm of screw ups. They never did the investigation into how this guy died. They redressed him in clothes that he wasn't wearing when he died for pictures in the hospital infirmary. All the records of what happened to his body are gone. And critically, we cannot get, and I tried directly by calling the Attorney General's office. I want a list of the names of the inmates. It's publicly available.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  They're convicted felons, dude. This is not secret information, not national security information. Why can't you tell me that?

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  They allowed him to be murdered in federal lockup. So, leave all the Petto Island stuff out of it. And just ask yourself, how can we continue to live in a country where a high-profile inmate can be murdered in our prison system by some, who's powerful enough to do that?

• 1:18:05Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  And, so, these are not only legitimate questions, they're essential questions. And like, we're mad at the people asking them?

• 1:18:14Theo Von?

  That's the weirdest thing.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Fuck you.

• 1:18:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm trying to get, ugh.

• 1:18:17Theo Von?

  No, that's one of the craziest things right now. It feels like the people you're supposed to be able to ask, you can't, like, we're the weird people now for asking questions. Like, it's like, you get labeled as the weird guy for asking questions. They just had-

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Don't let them into your head.

• 1:18:31Theo Von?

  They just said that lady Bari Weiss, or whatever her name is? And she was on, um, ABC?

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  One of the greatest liars in our public life.

• 1:18:39Theo Von?

  Did you see this video she said? I think she mentioned you in it.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Unbelievable liar.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Last thing that I'm beginning to sort of reckon with right now is the extent of profound anti-American and anti-Jewish sentiment on large parts of the American right. A lot of the liberalism on the left that came from the fringe into the mainstream of the Democratic Party began as a fringe online movement that a lot of Democrats and a lot of liberals waved away because it was just some crazy influencers online. And woe to the people that still are telling themselves that and still believe that the things that Candace Owens and Tucker

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Carlson are saying will not make an impact on the right, because they will.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Everything about that is just so amazing to me. I'm anti-American, really? My family's been here for 400 years. I have no allegiance to any foreign country. I put my country first and you... Takes a lot of balls for Barry Weiss, who acts openly on behalf of a foreign country. Her only concerns are not American concerns, they pertain to the fortunes of a foreign country.

• 1:19:52Theo Von?

  Do they really?

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. Um, yes, I'm not... That's an informed statement. And calling me anti-American? You can say Carlson's an asshole or whatever, but she has to call me the one thing that she is, which is like this weird psychology, I have to say. Calling me a hater? I'm a lot of things: a buffoon, a hothead, a bad table manners, whatever, fat. I'm not anti-American. That's all I care about, actually.

• 1:20:19Theo Von?

  I wouldn't say fat. Maybe holiday chubby, maybe?

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  No, but, okay, so that's the first thing.

• 1:20:23Theo Von?

  Like, you seem like you own a couple Build-A-Bears, probably, you know?

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Theo Von?

  But just the seasonal ones. I think you always look like you're ready for Christmas, kinda.

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  You know what? I wear the same clothes and it keeps my weight down. I'm so cheap, I'm not buying new clothes, ever. And I just wear... I wear a size 36, and if I get above that, I'm just gonna suffer through it till I stop eating donuts. But anyway, and I'm not attacking... Look, here's what I'm saying. I think Barry Weiss is super energetic and charming.

• 1:20:45Theo Von?

  But why is she someone who's supporting a different country and not our country first, a head of a network?

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Calling me anti-American!

• 1:20:51Theo Von?

  Right, but also...

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  It's like, okay!

• 1:20:53Theo Von?

  Barry Weiss is a vocal supporter of Israel, describing her views as pro-Israeli.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  She's a, quote, Zionist fanatic, calling me... She's a self-identified Zionist fanatic, calling me anti-American. Whatever, obviously I'm being too liberal.

• 1:21:03Theo Von?

  But why does she get to be the head? And I don't know the lady, but why does she get to... If her allegiance isn't to America first, how is she the head of an American network?

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Well, that's a, of course, an entirely fair question that you're not allowed to ask. But here's the deeper thing that I've been meditating on recently is that a lot of our overlords, like Barry Weiss, are actually totally mediocre. And the most depressing thing about the United States in 2025 is that we're led not just by bad people, but by unimpressive, dumb, totally non-creative people. Barry Weiss has no experience in journalism at all. Like, she's never committed to, she's like an opinion writer or whatever for the New York Times or something. She's not a journalist, like, never written a freaking story in her life, and she's dumb. She doesn't know anything. So that's fine. Lots of dumb people. My dogs are dumb. I don't hold it against them. But for you to ascend to the top of whatever pyramid you think you occupy, and you're not even impressive, like, Bill Ackman, same thing.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Bill Ackman's worth like $8 billion or something. It's fine. I don't care if Bill Ackman, whatever Bill Ackman does, but I know Bill Ackman. He's kind of dumb. He's not ever created anything. He's totally non-creative. How do these people wind up running our biggest institutions? And the reason that's significant is because if you pay close enough attention and you realize that the people running everything are stupid, then you think, well, actually, the system is truly rigged on behalf of people who do not deserve these positions at all. It's not just that I disagree with Barry Weiss, or she's calling me names, or I'm calling her names, or whatever. It's like, in no fair system, in no meritocracy, would Barry Weiss rise above secretary. Like, actually, and I mean that. I've been in this business my whole, I've been in this business since Barry Weiss was breastfeeding, okay?

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  There's no world in which Barry Weiss rises to the top of a news network, except a rigged world. That's it. Does that make sense? It's, it's like shocking to me.

• 1:22:51Theo Von?

  Right. They're not, like, people aren't even putting their best people in, like, they're, they're-

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  It's almost a humiliation exercise. It's like, we're gonna take someone as stupid as Bill Ackman and give him $8 billion. We're gonna take someone as stupid and totally non-creative, like, literally uninformed. Like, she didn't even know who Assad was. Like, she's an idiot, and we're gonna put her in charge of CBS News just to show that individual merit-

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  Energy, creativity, which is the most important thing. Creativity is what a healthy society rewards. Because we are designed to create things. That's why we're not animals. We're human beings. The creative power is the spark that distinguishes us from all other species. We create things. God created the world. He created us in His image and we henceforth create things. So creativity has to be the most rewarded factor in any healthy society. And now, because our society is inverse, it's upside down. Creativity is penalized. How dare you say that? It's not what every other drone is saying. It's not the machine tells us to say. And Barry Weiss, the single least creative human being, the single most robotic. What are the talking points? Repeating them.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  That person winds up at the top of the pyramid. It is, that is what offends me. It's not that she loves Israel. I don't give a shit what she thinks of Israel. It's not that she criticizes me. Obviously, I don't really care. It's that her presence at the top of CBS News means all of those institutions are totally fake. That's what, that's why.

• 1:24:20Theo Von?

  All of what institutions? The news institutions?

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Well, that institution, Wall Street, if Bill Ackman? You tell me one, and I'm not even like moralizing and I don't hate Bill Ackman, but like Bill Ackman's an idiot.

• 1:24:30Theo Von?

  Who is he? I don't know him.

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  He's a hedge fund guy who's made most of his money by short selling. And that means I go on CNBC and I attack your country, your company. It's stock price falls and I've made a reverse bet against the stock price and I get rich. You tell me how that benefits your society? Talking about American companies? Like, how is that productive? How is that the act of creation? It's the act of destruction? And I give you $8 billion? The whole system is rigged, okay?

• 1:24:58Theo Von?

  I, well, I think a lot of people feel that now. They feel like this, they feel like the system is rigged. They feel like there's no way for them to win. They feel like it's all insider trading. They feel like it's Hollywood or the news creates a narrative. That affects what goes on and then other people who have been.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  The movies are garbage. The mass media, all of it is turning out sloppy.

• 1:25:16Theo Von?

  I understand that, but how does that evolve? How do things get better?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  It, those institutions are done. So our job, again, is to love the people around us and tell the truth. And in that act, we make things better. Okay? Because new, I mean, dude, you've got the second biggest podcast in the world or something? I mean, I don't think.

• 1:25:40Theo Von?

  I haven't looked at the charts, but

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:41Theo Von?

  We're doing good. I know you're number seven.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  I've been in this my whole life. You've been in this like, I don't know, you were a stand-up comedian and all of a sudden you're like dominating global podcasting. It's like, how did that happen? That's the new, it's just one example, but that's the new institution.

• 1:25:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, we're doing our best, dude.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  No, but it's working. That's the point.

• 1:25:58Theo Von?

  My friend said these glasses aren't even real the other day.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Are those not, those are pretty ugly to be fake. If you're gonna buy, yeah. If you're gonna buy fake glasses, like I-

• 1:26:06Theo Von?

  Everybody hates these. I just got them.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  They used to call those birth control glasses.

• 1:26:11Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, those work. You're never gonna impregnate anyone on those glasses.

• 1:26:15Theo Von?

  Would you know my name? Dude, I'm never gonna knock anybody off-

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  You're right, you're right. You're totally right. You know what? I think you just overcame your eyewear with that.

• 1:26:24Theo Von?

  It's just gonna help.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  You break out the acoustic ear of Clapton and even I wanna sleep with you. I totally agree.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  No, but I think for all that, like, I do think, what's the phrase they use? The black pill or whatever. Everyone's like, so it's all falling apart. That's a stage on the continuum. This is an arc of consciousness and you realize, holy shit, everything is terrible. It's falling apart. And then you get through that, and this just happened to me. I just got through it. And I'm like, yes, but a new world is being born, like, for real. And it's beautiful and it's honest and it's creative. It's not just, it, it, it's not fake. Everything, what you hate about the modern world is that it lacks creativity and creativity is the human spark. It's the energy that makes you different from the chair you're sitting in. And that is, is bursting out everywhere.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  And I love it.

• 1:27:17Theo Von?

  Well, they, I saw an article the other day, um, did you see about how, oh, with TikTok, right? With social media, with trying to own the companies, right? Did you see that video with Yetnahu for the, um, TikTok ownership? This is wild, bro. This is a-

• 1:27:37Speaker 03

  You can't fight today with swords. That doesn't work very well. But we have to fight with the weapons that apply to the battlefields in which we're engaged. And the most important ones are on social media. And the most important purchase that is going on right now is glasses.

• 1:27:55Theo Von?

  Somebody said buy followers. How hilarious is that, dude? That's the best.

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  TikTok, TikTok, number one, number one. And I hope it goes through because it's, uh, it can be consequential.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Imagine saying that. It's like, what is that? Why did he say that, do you think? Why did he just confirm every crazed anti-Semitic conspiracy online? Jews control everything. And there's literally the Prime Minister of Israel being like, yes, we control everything. Why would he say something like, first of all, he, like Barry Weiss, is kind of stupid. Clever, ruthless, but stupid, not creative at all. There's that, but there's a deeper reason because he's trying to inspire hatred. He's trying to inspire hatred. Yes, we control everything. And I'm not falling for it. I'm not going to be a hater. I don't care what they do.

• 1:28:44Theo Von?

  Well, I mean, you're, we're being a hater in the sense where like if you hate against him. But I guess if you're saying it's evil, then yeah, hating evil isn't wrong. Right? But here's what I'm wondering. It's like, um, if you teach me like growing up, like about the Holocaust, you teach me about Nazis. You teach me about evil. And then I will, I take what I've learned, right? And I apply it to the world.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Theo Von?

  And I see it. I see it point blank. I see it, um, in Gaza. I see it in the Middle East. I see it in Palestine. And it's the first one where you see these things happening. Like, it's almost like, well, if I had seen, uh, slavery on my phone, I'd be like, this is fucked up. If I had seen, you know, it's like, it's the first thing you see and.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Did you see that chick who was at some conference recently? I think she was like Carmella Harris's speechwriter, former speechwriter. And she's like, you know, we made a huge mistake, like talking too much about the Holocaust. Cause now people are comparing what's happening in Gaza to the Holocaust.

• 1:29:39Theo Von?

  But it's like, don't come in, in gas like me to think now I'm wrong for seeing this. And then, and then imagine.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Shit, we never should have mentioned the Nazis because we set absolute standards of behavior that we're now failing to meet and we're being blamed. It's like, are you?

• 1:29:53Theo Von?

  And then now when this guy says they want to buy TikTok so that the influence is different. Like, it's just like, wow, how, I don't understand.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  But to say that out loud.

• 1:30:03Theo Von?

  Why are we the only people that feel, uh, or why aren't more people activated about this? It's like watching.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Okay, but can I just make you feel better?

• 1:30:09Theo Von?

  Watching something horrible happen and it, we can't even ask our own country for help. That's the crazy part. I can't believe that half of our representatives aren't speaking up and saying something like, hey, we're going to shut this down. This is wrong. We're not going to let, because wasn't he condemned by the ICC for, um?

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. They don't care.

• 1:30:27Theo Von?

  He was a condemned war criminal, right? Is that right?

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess, yeah.

• 1:30:32Theo Von?

  Um, and, and I just don't understand how regular people, comedians, and, you know, a guy who loves Johnson and Murphy from Maine are the ones who are fucking having to speak up about that. Like, what is going on?

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Well, that's the beauty that I'm talking about. That's the new world being born.

• 1:30:48Theo Von?

  And sorry if you don't love Johnson and Murphy.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  I don't, these are like my Turkish grounding shoes.

• 1:30:53Theo Von?

  Those are nice.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  They're so ugly, but I got these from someone else in the nicotine business who's like, dude, these will ground you to the earth's essential forces.

• 1:31:02Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  I don't know what that means, of course. I have no idea, but I, I am originally from California in the seventies, so I kind of fall for shit like that.

• 1:31:08Theo Von?

  Look like you could smoke in them for sure, dude.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  I've, I've, yeah.

• 1:31:12Theo Von?

  But I'll say this.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Smoked a few cigarettes in those in my life.

• 1:31:14Theo Von?

  Every time I see a Johnson and Murphy, I peek my head and I say, hey, Tucky. I say that when I see the airport.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  I don't really know what it is.

• 1:31:19Theo Von?

  Just like, it's like a shop. It's like a Brooks, Brooks Brothers kind of.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I buy my clothes on eBay, always.

• 1:31:24Theo Von?

  But anyway, sorry, it wasn't, it wasn't a negative.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  No, no, but here's the point, though.

• 1:31:29Theo Von?

  It wasn't a negative thing, Tucker.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  This is the beautiful thing.

• 1:31:31Theo Von?

  You think it was negative?

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  No, I, I never get the reference. I'm so fucking out of it, but, um, we're like in this moment where the old is going away and the new is on its way, and some of it is menacing and scary and hard to understand, like AI or crypto, okay? Could be good, could be bad, could be both, but it's big. But some of it is just totally recognizable. It's called the human spirit and it's irrepressible. You can't actually extinguish it, no matter how many people you kill. And no matter how many lies you tell, it will always sort of bubble up around you, and it's bubbling up now in a big way.

• 1:32:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  And I would just, last thing I want to say, like, if you really are worried, if you feel like, oh, there's this international conspiracy of people to oppress humanity and to kill humanity, that's obviously true. Degraded us and slave us, obviously true, like, not even a guess, that's happening. But who's behind it? Go and read some of the Epstein emails that have been released, thousands have been released, and ask yourself, like, as a human, what's the first thing I notice? Jeffrey Epstein was a fucking idiot. He could barely speak English. He was from Coney Island and he was like an idiot, he was like an idiot. He writes like a moron, okay? We're being oppressed by dumb people. We imagine they're geniuses because they're evil, but we miss the obvious signs that these people are stupid. They are stupid.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  They are not as impressive as like the normal people in my world. Jeff Epstein was an idiot. So we have this picture of like the diabolical genius pulling the strings. I'm moving this population here and this population. Oh, give them the COVID vax.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  But really you've got like just thugs. They're just like nightclub bouncers who have billions of dollars and they're idiots. They're head injury patients. Bill Ackman, like he's a fucking idiot. Jeff Epstein, it's true. Barry Weiss, like, I'm not too worried about Barry Weiss taking over, over the world. I don't care how many billionaires hand her news organizations because she's obedient to their preferred country. She's still an idiot. Sorry.

• 1:33:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, I've heard Tim Dillon talk about her, but I'm not that familiar with her.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  He knew her very well, I think.

• 1:33:37Theo Von?

  He did.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  But so I think Tim and he can speak for himself, but as I remember the story, like he was in her orbit. And, um, you know, I know all the people, of course, in her orbit and some of them I like. I've never disliked Barry Weiss personally. She's, she's very charming, I will say, and very energetic, which I love in anybody. But he was like buddies with her and they were going to parties and then like, well, he can explain it better than I could. But my understanding is he's like, one day he's like, killed a lot of kids in Gaza, I think. And I think within like 10 minutes, she was like on the phone with his agent, gotta fire Tim Dillon. Okay. So I guess our friendship wasn't built on the foundation, I assumed it was. It's like, and dumb people are very much like that. They have like one interest.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  They're what we call single issue voters. Like there's no nuance at all. I remember her, do you remember when she attacked Tulsi Gabbard, who's a beautiful soul? Just a good person.

• 1:34:31Theo Von?

  Tulsi's very nice. She sent me a couple of nice messages over the years.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  Just a great person. She's an honest person. But do you remember when he attacked her on Rogan?

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  And Rogan in his-

• 1:34:40Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, Rogan stood up for her.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  In his wonderful way. He's like, "I'm not sure, what do you mean by that?" You know, and is Rogan like, not attacking back, but just like, "Explain yourself a little more." And Barry Weiss was like, it was like you caught her on the john or something. She was like, "Oh, have to explain the casual slander I threw at her?" She had no fucking idea what she was talking about. Oh, it was the word toady. She didn't know what toady meant. "She's a toady for Assad." And it's like, oh, there it is. Oh, my memory is still in place. And she couldn't define toady.

• 1:35:10Theo Von?

  According to multiple accounts from listeners and subsequent commentary, Weiss struggled to define toady in that specific context and failed to effectively back up her assertion with specific facts. Being flustered during the exchange, the moment was widely circulated in clips online and frequently brought up by critics of Weiss as an example of a journalist using substantiated labels or neocon talking points.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  No, it's an example of someone who got a 350 on the English SAT. Okay, this is a dumb person.

• 1:35:33Theo Von?

  We don't know that.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Okay, but somehow got a job at the New York Times. You don't know what toady is? Like, she's in the word business, baby, you know?

• 1:35:39Theo Von?

  Well, I just don't understand how, like, why isn't there, like, you used to believe that everybody that was elected was campaigning for America first, right? Like, America first was the, was the thing.

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  That's our system, right?

• 1:35:54Theo Von?

  But that's, that's not what's going on.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  Well, it's of course just the opposite. I mean, look at the country. So, the country's dying not because the people are bad, because of bad leadership.

• 1:36:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  Leadership is every, I used to, you know, you get brainwashed growing up here and you're like, "No, what really matters is how most people feel." No. What really matters is the willingness of your leaders to actually die for you as you would for your children. Like, it's that simple. If they love you, they will, your country will prosper. If they hate you, it will fail. It's super simple. They don't like us. Okay, got it. Got it.

• 1:36:24Theo Von?

  And what do you think that we could do differently? I know that John Rich on your show, that one thing that was interesting, he said that he felt like a lot of Americans have just kind of cowered and watched this kind of happen, you know?

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  Don't be a bitch. Yeah.

• 1:36:34Theo Von?

  He was pretty adamant about it. He was like-

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  Don't ever be a bitch. Yeah, that's right.

• 1:36:37Theo Von?

  He was speaking mostly about Christians, but also about Americans, that they've just kind of cowered and sort of let this, like, let evil policies, evil things come in and not stood up for their own voices or stood up against their own fears. Do you think that that's true?

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Oh gosh, it's the truest thing. I participated in it. There are plenty of things I'm just like, "I don't want to deal with that."

• 1:36:58Theo Von?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Or I might-

• 1:36:59Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, what I'm asking if it's true, dude.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Take a loss. Yeah. I mean-

• 1:37:01Theo Von?

  I do too.

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  It's not, I hate to point- One of your, as I said a minute ago, one of your tics, verbal tics that I just, I want to emulate, and I want to be like this, is you preface every attack or assessment of someone else with a self critique. You're like, "I've done a lot of shitty things, but I think that person's doing a shitty thing." Like, that's a really good habit to get into, just because righteousness is good, self righteousness is evil, and there's a big difference.

• 1:37:26Theo Von?

  Well, your ego is very scary, that's a thing.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  So scary, it's the scariest thing.

• 1:37:30Theo Von?

  It's the scariest thing.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  That's what kills you, if you're a man, anyway, for sure.

• 1:37:33Theo Von?

  The ego's very scary, but, yeah, have there been like, you know, where is the leadership supposed to come from now? Like, if we can't believe that our politicians are gonna guide us, right?

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  Well, the system is obviously changing, you know, just like the media, okay? I went into this in 1991, it's, I can't, I could write 10 books on how different it is. Everything about it, not just my perceptions of it, but the systems itself are totally different. And so, systems evolve, and we're clearly at the end of something and the beginning of something else. And I can't know with any precision what we're moving into, but clearly, it's not gonna be like what we had. Like, we know that, because this system doesn't work, it doesn't produce anything worth having. It's obviously dishonest in a transparent way. A lie doesn't infuriate you unless you know it's a lie, and now we know it's a lie, so by definition, we can't keep doing this. And Barry Weiss can be like anyone who disagrees with Netanyahu is now imprisoned, and you can do that, and I'm sure she would love to do that, but it's still not gonna work,

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  because you're just gonna have prisons full of people who still disagree with Barry Weiss. Like, you can't change people's minds by force, it has never worked and it never will. So, our system is reaching the end of something. I hope it's not, I love our system, I hope it's not destroyed, but clearly, it's gonna change, it has to, it will.

• 1:38:45Theo Von?

  It feels like it's gonna happen fast, though, doesn't it?

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  It's gonna happen fast, and I just hope it's not too destructive. I don't want chaos, man, that is, I've seen that in foreign countries, and it's scary. There's nothing scarier than that.

• 1:38:56Theo Von?

  Is there?

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  It happened in your state, it happened during, I saw it during Katrina.

• 1:39:00Theo Von?

  Woo! Yeah.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  I was like, "I can't believe this is happening." You know, just for a day or two, where there's no cops, and there are kids running around with guns and like, shooting. I was right next to a guy who got shot to death, like, what?

• 1:39:12Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, people listening to a young boy just popping off to doing who knows what.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  That's what chaos looks like, it's so bad, man.

• 1:39:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  I don't want that at all.

• 1:39:20Theo Von?

  And there'll be a lot, yeah, there's a lot of guns in this state, too, so people, and there's a lot of guns in every state, but...

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  Especially in my house, but yeah, but I'm not the only one. And I don't, you know, I don't think in the end.

• 1:39:31Theo Von?

  Oh, I think how it all ends is blacks versus drones. That's how I think it ends.

• 1:39:37Theo Von?

  And I've said this before and I believe that.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Can you game it out for me a little bit? How does that play out?

• 1:39:43Theo Von?

  Because like, you know, the news over time and everything, it makes white people, you know, white people look bad, white people the devil, blah, blah. Yeah, whiteys, you know, during like the Trump campaign, they were like, every southern person or midwestern person was the only, you know, piece of shit, you know, just all that. The white people started ending up on a lot of pills and stuff like that and just confused about their own value and stuff like that. And that's been unfortunate, um, because there's a lot of great people, but, um.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  It's actually one of the greatest crimes ever in this country.

• 1:40:14Theo Von?

  It's unbelievable. But black folks, I think are still like, they're still like, you know, they've kind of gone through this.

• 1:40:25Theo Von?

  You know, they've, they've had such an origin story in America, right? And slaved and then like, their origin story is the best to be the, uh, victor in the end, right? I feel like their origin story makes the best arc, character arc, to be like the hero at the end. So I think it ends up them versus drones versus like the drones owned by evil folks. And I think that's how it ends, you know?

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Who wins?

• 1:40:52Theo Von?

  I think you gotta go. I think I would go with black folks.

• 1:40:57Speaker 01

  I would go with any people over the drones.

• 1:40:59Theo Von?

  Yes. But I think it's gonna be black folks help us win it and they're gonna defeat the drones. How many will it be best of seven? I don't know. We'll see. And will there be advertising? Will it be brought to you by prize picks? I have no idea, bro. That doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, bro, you're gonna have, it's gonna be, that's where, I think that's how it ends.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Well, I, one of the reasons that, you know, all those years they called me, no one ever calls me a racist anymore, but, um, they used to for years when I was at Fox. Racist, racist, racist. And so I really thought a lot about, am I a racist? And no, I'm annoyed by certain things for sure, but I'm not a racist at all. And not just because I think it's immoral to be racist. I'm not a racist because black people, what do we think of black people? Like the most American been here, I'm talking about African Americans. Hundreds and hundreds of years. Like, if you believe in the country, if you really feel like you're part of it, your ancestors are buried here, you're gonna die here, which is how I feel. It's like you're in it with black people because they've been here since day one. You know what I mean? There's like a, it's an American, I feel that actually.

• 1:42:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm not, I think it's, I don't know how like, I don't, I mean, definitely it's a, it's a wild group, black folks, but I think they love to get in, they love to like, they love competition. So I could definitely see them uh getting into it with drones, dude. And that's how we.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Well, I'm rooting for them.

• 1:42:26Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  I'm rooting for blacks against drones for sure.

• 1:42:28Theo Von?

  Hell, yeah, dude. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. And also.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Do you think that the, I mean, it's, it's tough though to fight drones.

• 1:42:36Theo Von?

  Black people can figure it out.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  You think so?

• 1:42:38Theo Von?

  I think if they, once they really apply themselves to a sport, they start to crack the codes pretty quick.

• 1:42:44Theo Von?

  You know, you put the hit stick on a drone, dude. I think they'll figure it out, dude.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  I hope so.

• 1:42:49Theo Von?

  It's gonna be exciting, dude. That shit's gonna be one of the best things ever. And it'll be, we'll be able, some people will be able to watch it. You'll be able to watch some of it on your phone.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:42:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, blacks versus drones for sure, dude.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Have you checked with black people about this at all?

• 1:43:03Theo Von?

  Bro, they're down, bro. Black people are down in a heartbeat.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  Black people, it's Theo. You guys ready for blacks versus drones?

• 1:43:10Theo Von?

  Dude, black people love to play games, bro. They love to have a good time. So I think if you, and if drones are just shooting people out in the streets and stuff, like if one of these companies like Palantir, like they were using in Gaza comes, just starts popping off here, which now has a debt, like, isn't Palantir, they're able to, they're gonna do our data now, aren't they? Aren't they, aren't they gonna?

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:43:28Theo Von?

  Oversee us?

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, I see a lot of, a lot of people referring to that, but I'm just gonna have to plead ignorance on the.

• 1:43:36Theo Von?

  And this is allegedly, but there's articles that allege that uh, that they have weapons attached, attached to drones and that they're able to figure that out. Palantir Technologies holds multiple major contracts with the US government, particularly with the Department of Defense, highlighted by a recent US Army enterprise agreement valued up to 10 billion over 10 years. Let me see, consolidating 75 prior contracts into one for software and data services to boost military readiness.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  Now just keep it, that looks like it's from Wikipedia, which is obviously controlled by CIA.

• 1:44:08Theo Von?

  This is perplexity right here.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 1:44:10Theo Von?

  Perplexity is a company that advertises with us. It's an AI.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:44:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  Oh, good. It doesn't scold you ever?

• 1:44:18Theo Von?

  Not yet, but some of that stuff's getting pretty wild. Did you see um? That they were just paying ChatGPT, Israel just paying ChatGPT to adjust their sentiment towards them?

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Is that true? That's unbelievable.

• 1:44:33Theo Von?

  I don't know if it's true or not. I want to find out in a second if we can get this article up here.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  So the problem is gonna be, the problem is gonna be YouTube.

• 1:44:39Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  Does YouTube stay open or not? I think, I mean, that's the vector. Candace Owens is like the most famous person in the world because of YouTube.

• 1:44:46Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  YouTube is the backbone of all of this stuff. And if there is some, God, hope it doesn't happen, but if there's some act of violence in the United States that can be used as a pretext, in the same way that January 6th was used as a pretext to shut down all these people, they'll kick people off. I, my fear is that people, that there will be a crackdown on YouTube. And at that point, you know, that's a big, that would be a true disaster for the country.

• 1:45:13Theo Von?

  If they kick people off of YouTube?

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  I think.

• 1:45:14Theo Von?

  Oh, I agree.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  So if there's an act of violence, whether it's organic or not, because some of them are not organic, sorry, that's a fact, a proven fact, but whatever the cause of it, if there's an act of violence against innocents and it's described as a hate crime, that, it's not crazy to imagine that that could be used to tie people whose opinions are unpopular with certain groups, those people need to be off YouTube. And all of a sudden, there's an emergency meeting with Sundar Pashay at Google and it's like, I'm sorry, you cannot have purveyors of hate like Candace Owens and me or you. You can't have them. They're, these people died because these podcasters said hateful things. You have to take them off.

• 1:45:55Theo Von?

  But we're not saying hateful things, are we?

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  Well, obviously, I'm totally opposed to hate. I mean, that's like, my whole life is against it. When you hate, even in your heart, even silently, you make evil stronger. That's a fact. It's a physics principle, dude.

• 1:46:08Theo Von?

  The only reason I bring up this stuff about Israel is because they're doing a genocide.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  I couldn't agree more.

• 1:46:12Theo Von?

  If I saw, if I was in Nazi Germany and I saw bad things happening and I didn't raise my hand, or if Nazi Germany was trying to buy a bakery next door to me and I'd be like, hey, uh, mustache guy is buying the bakery, you know, it's like, who would I be? Right? Like, I don't understand what you want me to do. Like, you can't like-

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  Get out of my face and I'll stop thinking- About you.

• 1:46:33Theo Von?

  We just can't train me to think one way and then show me this a replica of it and not expect me to have the same sentiments toward it. Like, that's what I understand. And to call someone a bad guy because of that is crazy to me. This article says, "The government of Israel has hired a new conservative-aligned firm, Clock Tower X LLC, to create media for general Gen Z audiences in a contract worth $6 million. At least 80% of content Clock Tower produces will be tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms."

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  Clock Tower?

• 1:47:03Theo Von?

  Clock Tower integrates pro-Israel messaging into Salem Media Network properties, a conservative Christian media group that boasts a vast radio network and produces high-profile shows such as Hugh Hewitt Show, Larry Elder Show, and The Right View with Laura Trump. So, um...

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, look at that.

• 1:47:23Theo Von?

  Former Trump manager Brad Parscale.

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  That is so disgusting. That is so... Brad Parscale is doing that? That is...

• 1:47:32Theo Von?

  I don't know him. Is he a nice guy?

• 1:47:34Speaker 01

  I know him. He's a, he's a sad guy, very sad guy.

• 1:47:37Theo Von?

  In its contract, Clock Tower does not reveal much about what kinds of messaging will be promoted on behalf of Israel.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  He took money for... Wait, Brad Parscale took money from the Israeli government to do that?

• 1:47:47Theo Von?

  I don't know. Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale, the adviser who hired the controversial micro-targeting firm Cambridge Analytic during Trump's 2016 campaign, is at the center of the Israeli government's New Deal.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  So Brad Parscale, I don't think is an evil person. He's a weak man, for sure. I mean, demonstrably. But for an American citizen to take money from a foreign government to secretly propagandize on behalf of that government without saying it, is really... Speaking of unpatriotic, I mean, that's just... I hope that's not true.

• 1:48:21Theo Von?

  Well, it just, it's like, at this point, it's, um, and I guess, I mean, Israel's certainly allowed to advertise wherever they want. Anybody can do this sort of thing.

• 1:48:28Speaker 01

  This isn't advertising. This is... So advertising is not threatening because when it's just straightforward. You see a billboard for jeans and it's like, "Buy my jeans." Okay, it's your choice. This is basically subliminal messaging. This is an effort to subvert what you think is true by making it dishonest. I'm paying you... To lie on my behalf. That's what this is. And you don't disclose that you're taking money to do that. And everything about this is dishonest and wrong. And any American who would take money for that. Again, speaking of anti-American, really? Who's the audience for this? It's American citizens who think they're like tuning in for conservative analysis. And actually, they're getting the point of view of a foreign government. Like, how is that okay?

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Brad Parscale?

• 1:49:14Theo Von?

  I don't know how we, I just don't understand. I think, yeah, I think it's just, I don't know. It's a tough time because you realize, oh, you thought all these things were in place that were keeping our country. You thought our country was taking care of us. But it's not the case.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  Would you take money from a foreign, would you take, if, let's take Israel out of it?

• 1:49:30Theo Von?

  Maybe it's, that's not true. That's a naive, old thought of mine. It's like, yeah, you realize now that that's not the case, you know? But I think it's like, where do we go from here?

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Well, let me just, I mean, I don't want to be judgy because I've done all kinds of bad things.

• 1:49:43Theo Von?

  You've been judgmental already.

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  I have been. It's one of my weaknesses. Self-righteousness is the trap and I fall into it for sure.

• 1:49:49Theo Von?

  But you have.

• 1:49:50Speaker 01

  But let me just ask you, if, again, take Israel out of it because it's so emotional. Any country, well, let's go with Qatar. You said you like Qatar. I really like Qatar, a lot. And I could defend Qatar. But would you take money for, if Qatar's like, okay, we'll pay you $10 million or $6 million, which I think is what Brad Parscale got supposedly. We want you to just subtly shift your message to be pro Qatar. Don't tell anybody you're taking this money. But just feed our line to your audience without telling them that you're doing it. Would you accept that money?

• 1:50:24Theo Von?

  No, I wouldn't do it.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Of course not, of course not. Of course, you would never do that.

• 1:50:28Theo Von?

  No, I wouldn't do something, I wouldn't let people pay to have a person on this podcast. I wouldn't let somebody, I wouldn't do that.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  Of course. Do you feel like, but people must be trying to, cause the podcast is really big.

• 1:50:43Theo Von?

  Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes they do, or somebody's like, hey, we, uh, Qatar asked if we would do one from their country, right? During a UFC fight, right? And I thought about that and we're trying to figure that out. But I didn't feel like it was the best kind of setting, sort of. And, um, now would I go back over there sometime and spend some time? Sure I would. I had a great time, met some really neat guys. Cause a lot of the guys over there, they're in the, uh, throbs and stuff. Thobe? They're in the throbs.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  Which are pretty awesome.

• 1:51:07Theo Von?

  Dude, they're nice because you can have no underpants on.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  I don't think any of them do. I think they're like kilts.

• 1:51:12Theo Von?

  I like that.

• 1:51:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's full freestyle country.

• 1:51:15Theo Von?

  Oh God. Talking to somebody and just feeling your nuts bang against your legs while you're standing there.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  The person has no idea.

• 1:51:21Theo Von?

  That's crazy dude. Bro, that's like, uh, that guy, like, uh, the hunchback of Notre Dame kinda, you know?

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Oh, did he go freestyle too?

• 1:51:29Theo Von?

  No, but just him, I just imagine like a handicapped guy inside of my legs ringing my nuts with like a rope or whatever. You know, like a bell, you know?

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  Really? So you picture like a little gremlin under there.

• 1:51:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, just be fun.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  Like pulling the donkord.

• 1:51:44Theo Von?

  Oh dude, if your nuts had real bells inside of them, that shit would be sick dude.

• 1:51:48Speaker 01

  Imagine the pain, the force of that ringer hitting the sides of the cast iron is a lot. I wouldn't want that anywhere, anywhere near.

• 1:51:55Theo Von?

  That's true. I bet if your nuts weighed even two more ounces, it would strain you so much.

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  Dude, yes.

• 1:52:01Theo Von?

  I bet your nuts have the perfect weight to them.

• 1:52:03Speaker 01

  I, I think that's the whole theory of evolution, isn't it? We evolved to have like perfectly weighted nuts and our ancestors who had, I don't know, disproportionately weighted nuts.

• 1:52:12Theo Von?

  Oh yeah.

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  They didn't reproduce. So their genes died.

• 1:52:15Theo Von?

  Average human testicles each weigh about 15 to 25 grams. Wow. That's a...

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  So how would you compare that? It's just like about an eight ball.

• 1:52:25Theo Von?

  That's a couple eight ball.

• 1:52:26Speaker 01

  A couple eight balls.

• 1:52:27Theo Von?

  How many grams are in an eight ball? I think it's eight, right?

• 1:52:29Speaker 01

  Seven and a half, I think.

• 1:52:30Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. It depends where you, if you're getting it in Baltimore, it's probably six in there.

• 1:52:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's right. Those are the baby laxative. Oh, 3.5. Oh gosh, it's been too long. So that's how rehabbed you are dude. I love that. Did you hear that? Did you hear his genuine ignorance about narcotics?

• 1:52:47Theo Von?

  Damn.

• 1:52:48Speaker 01

  You are better.

• 1:52:49Theo Von?

  I'm losing street cred though, dude. I can't even fucking, dude, I'm.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  You forgot how to freebase at this point. Is it baking soda or cleaning fluid? I can't remember.

• 1:52:59Theo Von?

  I've been selling really good eight balls, man. Oh, dude. Um, what else was I gonna ask you about? Yeah, but it's just so somebody's like, what do you, why do you care about it? Cause I just think that it's like, yeah, you can't allow a country. I don't know.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  Well, I don't care.

• 1:53:13Theo Von?

  I'm almost sick of talking about it now.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm so beyond sick of talking about it.

• 1:53:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry that I brought it up.

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  Not with you, but I actually called the Israeli government more than once and I was like, okay. I got it. Just stop, you're gonna get me killed. Um, just stop taking money from my country. I won't even criticize your genocide. Like, cause there are lots of bad things going on in the world. That's true. That is true. They're not the only ones, okay? That is absolutely right when they say that. They're not the only country committing atrocities.

• 1:53:41Theo Von?

  Oh, no, our own countries commit a lot of atrocities.

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  I totally agree.

• 1:53:44Theo Von?

  I think it's all coming out in the snow right now, but it's just, it's.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  How about we just don't send any more money for those atrocities? Like, I don't think that's too much to ask. If you would stop it, if you get out of the Oval Office. No more visits from your Prime Minister. This is insane. There are so many countries in the world that actually matter. Your country doesn't matter. It's the size of Maryland. You have no natural resources at all. Like, you are irrelevant, except to the extent we promise to defend you. So how about you just go do your own thing? We wish you well and I will never think about you again.

• 1:54:13Theo Von?

  Why do you think that doesn't happen?

• 1:54:16Speaker 01

  Because they can't exist without us. And so rather than just say that, we get these lectures like, oh, America can't exist without Israel. It's like, why are you even talking to me? Like, first of all, at some point, I'm offended. Stop lecturing me, actually. I'm from here. I'm not a perfect person, but I really care about this place because I have nowhere else to go and my ancestors are here and like, stop. But they won't stop and they're constantly calling you names because they're committing bad behavior. It's like. I spent 30 years not talking about this. You think I didn't notice? You think I didn't know what was up? I'm from Washington. I know what's up.

• 1:54:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  And I decided, I don't want to talk about this because there are all kinds of other things I want to talk about. I don't want to fight with these people. I'm not against Israel at all. I like visiting there. It's great. I don't want to fight. It was only when there, Trump gets elected in November and by January, they're in the Oval Office, foreign officials from Israel in the Oval Office demanding that we pay for a regime change war against Iran. And I'm like, yeah, come on now. Come on now. We just had this election. I campaigned for Trump. I was literally at Madison Square Garden and it was heartfelt too. I didn't do it. No one paid me to do it. I did it because I meant it and I love Trump personally. I still love Trump personally, but it was like, that whole election was about, we've had enough of this. The Iraq war didn't work. It didn't make us happier. It really hurt everybody, including us, especially us. I don't want it again.

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Just back off. They didn't wait to, he got, he got inaugurated on the 20th of January. I was there. I was in the room and like days later, they're there demanding that we back them in a regime change war. And I knew this because, because I've been around and I talked to all the people. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. And then in June, they, we came really close to getting in like a full blown war with Iran.

• 1:55:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  We spent billions in this totally pointless exercise. They're continuing to try and make us do this. So it's from my perspective, it's like, I'm not obsessed with Israel. You just back off and I'll never mention you again. I don't want to think about you at all because you, you're meaningless actually.

• 1:56:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  You're a tiny country that has no strategic value at all. So just as long as you stop trying to control my government, I'll leave you alone.

• 1:56:21Theo Von?

  Well, sometimes it starts to seem like it's a video game and they've always controlled everything and that.

• 1:56:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:56:26Theo Von?

  And then like that's, and like we're just now realizing it's like, I've said this a couple of times, but it's almost like.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:56:31Theo Von?

  Like if Super Mario almost like looked at the screen one day and like looked at you playing with him instead of just like followed your demands on the screen. Like if one day he just like fucking set down his fireballs and like looked over at you and was like, hey, what the fuck are we doing here? You know? It's almost like that's where.

• 1:56:47Speaker 01

  Just like broken fourth wall.

• 1:56:48Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:56:48Speaker 01

  Basically, no, I, I mean.

• 1:56:50Theo Von?

  Like if he's just like, ah, I'm so tired of fighting this dragon, you know? It's like, look, let's just let Bowser live. Let's just chill out, you know? Like if, I just wonder.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  If it became real.

• 1:57:00Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:57:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that's the, that's exactly the process we're.

• 1:57:03Theo Von?

  That's where we are right now. And I think that's what you're saying. It's like, yeah, look, if you, if you can just let go of like.

• 1:57:12Theo Von?

  This, that, cause it's, sometimes it's anger that fuels that, you know? Sometimes it's fear, some of it's like, yeah, a lot of it's fear, I think. Uncertainty, safety. But if you can get the anger out of it and just let it go and be like, I'm just gonna do my best that I can. But I'm gonna be brave and speak up when I can, even if I'm wrong. You know, that's the thing, it's like, I wish more people were speaking up sometimes, even if they're wrong. I, I was kind of like, do you think that enough, like pastors and preachers didn't speak up during the Gaza conflict? That almost blew my mind. Does that make sense to you?

• 1:57:50Speaker 01

  Oh, it's the most heartbreaking part. I mean, from my perspect, as an American Christian, Protestant, American Christian, it's like, yeah, of course. I, I think what Israel's doing is disgusting. I mean, it's indefensible. But my real like rage, like what I'm actually upset about, if you were at dinner at my house? I never talk about the, I never rage about these Israelis or the Jews at my house. I just don't feel it. My rage, my actual personal rage is directed toward my people. It's Protestant, Christian, evangelical pastors who have made deals with the Israeli government or have theology so deranged that they think their Christian faith requires them to support the murder of children, including Christian children.

• 1:58:33Speaker 01

  And I know some of them and they believe that. And that to me is very hard to forgive. Like I need to be a better person. I need to keep them in my prayers because I really feel hostility toward those people because they are the betrayers. Israel in the end is acting in its own interest or what it thinks is its own interest. Those people, what's their excuse? And they're going out there and giving sermons about Candace Owens on Sunday? She's not in the New Testament.

• 1:58:58Theo Von?

  Were they really doing that?

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  Big time. And that is not, whatever you think of Candace Owens, like I love Candace Owens, but maybe you hate Candace Owens. We can all agree that your opinion on Candace Owens has no bearing on the future of your soul. Okay, that's not Christianity, it's nothing with Candace Owens. So like, if you are giving sermons against Candace Owens, then you are betraying your people. Okay, and because you're misrepresenting your faith, Christianity and those people. I, I clearly need to calm down about them because. They're truly the villains in the story. That's my opinion. Of course, because you're always mad at the people you know best and like Israel, whatever, go do your crazy Israeli things, but American evangelical leaders defending Netanyahu?

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  And you know how many Christians have been killed in this? That Israel has murdered? What do Christians have to do with it? Are you telling me they're Islamists too now?

• 1:59:52Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  Oh, it's totally true. And one of the reasons they hate me is because I keep pointing it out.

• 1:59:56Theo Von?

  I know that's true, Tucker.

• 1:59:57Speaker 01

  Uh, because they've blown up two churches in Gaza and killed people in the churches? What do the churches have to do with this? You're telling me that this is some existential battle between Islam and civilization? That's not true, by the way, but let's say it was true, then why are you blowing up churches? Oh, it was an accident. Oh, really? You have the technology to put bombs in people's pagers, but you accidentally blew up two churches? It was not an accident. They did it on purpose. They've killed a lot of Christians on purpose. And I'm probably the only person in American media to point that out because I'm a Christian. So I get to say that if I want. Shut up Nazi!

• 2:00:31Theo Von?

  Well, why aren't there more like-

• 2:00:33Speaker 01

  Where are the Christian leaders in this? Yeah. So now you've pissed me off like this-

• 2:00:37Theo Von?

  I'm sorry, man. I didn't know.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Whenever we're talking about antisemitism with the Nazis or Israel, whatever, it's like, it's, it's so fake to me that I'm not, I don't get upset. This is real to me.

• 2:00:47Theo Von?

  Oh, the Church of Saint Porphyrius.

• 2:00:50Speaker 01

  Saint Porphyrius. Yeah, it's a famous church.

• 2:00:52Theo Von?

  The Greek Orthodox Church, one of the oldest in the world, was hit by an Israeli airstrike on October 19, 2023. Um, the strike, uh, collapsed an adjacent church affiliated building where around 400 to 500 people displaced were sheltering, killing 18 people. The Holy Family Church is the only Catholic church in Gaza Strip. This church has been a central shelter for Gaza's Christian community. In December 2023, two women were reportedly killed by a sniper while leaving the church. Um, and July 2025, the church was struck by an Israeli tank fire, killing, uh, injuring 10, including the parish priest, Father Gabriel Romenelli. Well, why hasn't the Pope spoken up about it either, I wonder? Has he spoken about it? What did the Pope say about it?

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  I don't keep track. I'm not Catholic and so to keep track-

• 2:01:33Theo Von?

  I was going to church here in town and I was just shocked that people weren't speaking about it. Like, and that's the moment where you start to feel like, am I crazy?

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  No, no, they, in the evangelical world, and not all, this is a very broad brush. I know a million, I had dinner next to one last night. He was just a wonderful person. And there are lots of tons, tons of great evangelicals, but their leadership in general has not only refused to condemn it, they've defended it. And at that point, it's like, this is the great deception you read about in the New Testament. If, if this isn't a great deception, Jesus's message is not to kill children. Okay. And if you're telling me that it is, I don't need a theology degree to say you are a false prophet and you're gonna have to pay for what, I mean, you are like taking your soul into your own hands when you say shit like that. That is so the opposite of the message. This is not a religion of conquest and violence. It's the opposite. Period. How can you read it and tell me otherwise?

• 2:02:23Theo Von?

  But why?

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  Oh, well, in Esther it said, okay.

• 2:02:25Theo Von?

  But why are they, or why are they doing that? Do they, but, but, cause this Israel is not the Israel from the Bible, right? This is the, this is a.

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  I've tried to have this conversation.

• 2:02:34Theo Von?

  Okay, sorry.

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  And if it is, tell me how.

• 2:02:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, it doesn't feel like it.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  What are you even talking about? And I'm not a theologian. I'm a freaking Episcopalian. Like, I admit I know nothing, but I do read the Bible every day, so I just don't see what you're talking about. So you tell me what you're talking about. This is the Israel we read about. This is the inheritance of Abraham and.

• 2:02:52Theo Von?

  No way.

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  How? How?

• 2:02:54Theo Von?

  No way.

• 2:02:54Speaker 01

  Is it genetically the same? Is it, are, are the people who live there now related to the people we read about in the Old Testament? If they are, we have DNA tests. Tell me how that works. Oh, those are banned. Okay. So then you're telling me it's the same religion? How is it the same religion?

• 2:03:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  There's no temple. Like, what are you even talking about? By the way, maybe there's a good answer that I just don't know, I don't understand. But they literally never even try to answer the question. It's shut up Nazi, including from Christian ministers, calling me a Nazi.

• 2:03:20Theo Von?

  Really?

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Because I asked, oh, big time. And again, not to make it about me, but I'm just wanna be honest about it. That upsets me. Whereas, you know, Netanyahu also called me a Nazi. It's like, you're just some dumb politician.

• 2:03:33Theo Von?

  He called you a Nazi directly?

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:03:35Theo Von?

  That's crazy.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Of course. Yeah, my tax dollars are paying his salary.

• 2:03:38Theo Von?

  Why is he watching podcasts?

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  Oh, he's, oh, he's, yeah, I can't even tell you, but yes, of course. But it's the Christian pastors. When you ask a simple question, you're telling me we have a duty to support, quote, Israel because a verse in Genesis tells you that. Okay, fine. That's totally fine. What does that mean? What is the Israel you're talking about? Shut up, Nazi. It's like, you're a Christian pastor and I'm a Christian, I'm a faithful, imperfect Christian.

• 2:04:07Theo Von?

  What pastors were saying that? Are there specific pastors? Dr. Mike Evans, Heritage Center.

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  No, no, listen, right now, we have a movement within the MAGA movement that is anti-Israel. It's serious because it's led by Tucker Carlson, who is very close to Vice President. It's coming out and saying worse things presently the Nazi Party said. I'm saying worse things that the Nazi Party said? I'm totally anti-Nazi, I'm totally anti-hate, and above all, I'm anti-blood guilt and collective punishment, which is what was bad about the Nazis, let's remember. And this guy is a Christian minister, or supposedly, or something? So it's this kind of thing that actually does get under my skin, that's my problem. I should just shrug it off, but I have a lot of trouble shrugging it off because it's such a distortion of my religious faith that I have trouble letting it go, I'm just being honest.

• 2:04:53Theo Von?

  Well, I think it's brave to be able to speak up, even sometimes if you're right or wrong, it's brave to try.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  It's our obligation to try. I was quiet for 30 years, I shouldn't have been. I shouldn't have, I didn't want to fight, but I shouldn't have been.

• 2:05:04Theo Von?

  And people say, well, you get information wrong, it's like, but if information is given out that's wrong, then how do you expect someone to know accurate information?

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm telling you, it's really simple, because this is the business I've always been in. I ask questions.

• 2:05:15Theo Von?

  You have stuff right here in your mouth.

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  I have nicotine, and I wanted to say how good it is. It's an opportunity, it's a form of advertisement, like I let it hang out of my... My wife's down here to lick her thumb, which she does, which is kinda hot, but you say you've got stuff on your face, then I get to pause and say, it's not just stuff, Theo Von.

• 2:05:31Theo Von?

  It's nicotine.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  It's ALP, the pouch for your mouth.

• 2:05:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, you got a little mogul right there.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you don't see it back there.

• 2:05:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:37Speaker 01

  Like, if I was using ZYN, you'd be like, wait, your lower back is covered with this weird white shit, why is that?

• 2:05:43Theo Von?

  I don't know, I've definitely done some things, but I'll say this. Pope Leo XIV has reiterated the Vatican's insistence on a two-state resolution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying it's the only solution that can guarantee justice for both sides. Leo made the comments as he flew from Turkey to Lebanon.

• 2:06:02Speaker 01

  May I ask, there's been a change in the spelling of Turkey, it went from Turkey to Turkieh.

• 2:06:06Theo Von?

  Turkieh.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  This is like the Kiev-Kiev change, and no one notified me?

• 2:06:12Theo Von?

  They probably bought, somebody, there might have been a letter deal or something, let me see, Turkieh? Turkieh. Maybe they're trying, who knows, man?

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  Turkieh.

• 2:06:20Theo Von?

  And like...

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  I was just in Turkieh, and they were calling it Turkey.

• 2:06:23Theo Von?

  And do you feel like it's hard for a lot of Jewish people to speak up about this because they're afraid of, like, alienating other Jewish friends? That's what I found with some of my Jewish friends, like, they'll talk with me about it and stuff like that, but...

• 2:06:37Theo Von?

  And my Jewish friends are fine if I'm, if I have different views on Israel, right? Like, it doesn't mean I have different views about them. But if I don't like what a government's doing, including our own government, then that's okay, right?

• 2:06:49Speaker 01

  One of my Jewish friends, former Jewish employee, actually called me this morning. Talked to him for like an hour and a half about other stuff, not about Israel. But in the course of the conversation, he told me that he had said something to one of his coworkers about Netanyahu. He didn't like Netanyahu, whatever. That's literally, he's Jewish. I don't like Netanyahu. And that coworker went to his boss and called him an anti-Semite. What?

• 2:07:13Theo Von?

  That's crazy.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  I think there's that. I also think there's something else going on, which is sad, which is, I think, a lot of what I'm seeing happen to Jewish people, including friends of mine, people I know, is there's so much yelling about the Nazis and the Holocaust. The people are getting really freaked out. And I've had people I have known for, you know, decades and love call me like, "Are you a Nazi?" Dude, it's me. No, I'm totally anti-Nazi. What are you even talking about? Well, everyone says you're a Nazi. This happened to me at dinner recently. Won't even tell, he was a well-known person.

• 2:07:47Theo Von?

  If you were a Nazi, you would have a tank or something.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  But also, like, I'm just so...

• 2:07:49Theo Von?

  You would not be in loafers.

• 2:07:50Speaker 01

  Post... Well, I might be wearing my Turkish grounding shoes.

• 2:07:54Theo Von?

  You're Turkish-ish?

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  And by the way, they leave a little green spot on the bottom of your foot, which I kinda like. That means you're winning. That means you're grounded to the earth. But no, I think it's making people really paranoid and afraid. And I think that that's on purpose. And terrified people are really easy to control. That's what happened to us after 9/11. "The Muslims are coming. 19 Arabs with box cutters." Which is my favorite phrase. I'm gonna say that. I said to one of my kids last night at dinner, I was like, "I'm making a pledge to you as your father that I'm gonna use the phrase 'Arabs with box cutters' every single day, and I'm gonna laugh every time I say it, because it amuses the shit out of me."

• 2:08:30Theo Von?

  Hell, yeah.

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  Like, you're in a conversation, someone's gonna be like, "Arabs with box cutters."

• 2:08:37Speaker 01

  Fucking funny. Anyway, all of us believe the Arabs with box cutters thing for all those years and it made us so freaked out and afraid and threatened that we went along with all the stuff that was really bad for us and the world. And I think that a similar op actually is underway in the United States with Jewish people and it's like, you're about to get killed. It's like, no. I mean, maybe, I think there are antisemites in America for sure and there are crazy people for sure. There are always threats, but in general, I've never met anyone who like hates all Jews or what. That's all fake, but it's scaring the shit out of people. Like it's real. My, I've, again, I have friends, good friends who are like, I can't believe you're a Nazi now. You know.

• 2:09:19Theo Von?

  That's crazy, dude.

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  I know it's sad, actually. It's awful.

• 2:09:22Theo Von?

  Well, I think anytime you find somebody, and I thought this in my own world, it's like, if you start thinking like, oh, this race or this ethnicity or this group should be the one, then that is a trap. That is a dangerous, that is an evil thought or feeling.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Right, right there. That is, that is the truth.

• 2:09:38Theo Von?

  It's an evil thought or feeling because it's just, it's not possible. It's not real. So you have to recognize that that kind of thought is just a trap, that it's very, that's just a scary trap.

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  I completely agree. And that is the trap they're luring you into. When they call you names, they are trying to make you into the hater they claim you are. And once you become that, you're destroyed.

• 2:09:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:59Speaker 01

  And obsessing over like other races being bad, like that's how you become a fucking crazy person.

• 2:10:04Theo Von?

  Well, that's the kind of stuff that the news has done over the years. So when you start to think about all the infighting that the news has created over the years and led us down all these rabbit holes, it's like, fuck, what, what the fuck were we doing?

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  The whole point was to make you hate each other.

• 2:10:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  Who's dividing conquer a hundred percent. Arabs with box cutters. Can I just say?

• 2:10:21Theo Von?

  Blacks first drones, dude.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Arabs with box cutters. Okay. All right. Arabs with box cutters. Okay.

• 2:10:28Theo Von?

  Is there, is there a, I know when you think about that.

• 2:10:31Speaker 01

  It's hilarious when you say it. I spent like 20 years being like, the threat is, Theo, the threat is Arabs with box cutters. They could be anywhere. It's like, shut up.

• 2:10:41Theo Von?

  I don't know. It's if. It's pretty masterful like how things have gone on, but it's just, it's pretty wild.

• 2:10:50Speaker 01

  It, you will punch through, I can tell that you're like in a stage that I was literally last week. And then you get through it and you're like, it's okay. It's totally okay. I was an idiot for believing that stuff in the first place. It's my fault, actually. If I fell for like, read his Jeffrey Epstein's emails and you will realize like, if I fell for the idea that he was like a diabolical mastermind and not just some thug from Staten Island or Coney Island. That was on me. Then you break through and you're like, of course it's fake. It was never real. You really think that with the world at stake, three zip codes in Pennsylvania are choosing the president? Okay. Yeah. All right now. Um, so no, of course it's fake.

• 2:11:32Speaker 01

  Shame on me for believing it, but now like all the things that are real, God, people you love, the truth. It's like, there's so much to be happy about, actually. You don't have, they want you to be totally freaked out. They are the ones who wrote this horror movie.

• 2:11:46Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:11:47Speaker 01

  Like bang, what was that noise? Holy shit. Is there something under the bed?

• 2:11:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  And you look under the bed and you realize, yeah, it's actually, there are tons of monsters under the bed. But they're kind of like lame monsters. They're like Jeffrey Epstein monsters. They're like, not that scary, really. I'm not afraid of you bitch. And then the second you say that, you're like, ah, I'm not afraid of anything, actually. Like, look under the bed. Yes, there are monsters. No, they probably can't kill you unless you bitch out and let them.

• 2:12:09Theo Von?

  Yeah. Do you, um, what do you feel like about is going on with Candace right now? Do you feel like the, the issues with the, with the French are realistic? When she went down that wiener thing, I was like, who cares if that lady has a wiener or whatever?

• 2:12:26Speaker 01

  Oh, oh.

• 2:12:26Theo Von?

  With Miss Macron or whatever?

• 2:12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the presidentess.

• 2:12:29Theo Von?

  Who cares if somebody has a dang wiener or whatever, if some lady has a wiener. It's like.

• 2:12:32Speaker 01

  It would be shocking if you didn't know it and you found it by accident. I do think that.

• 2:12:36Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. If you were looking for something in your purse and then a damn wiener was in there.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  No, but I mean, if you were like, I don't know, in a cab or something and reached over and you found what you didn't expect. You know, like in Bangkok or something.

• 2:12:46Theo Von?

  If I'm her, I'll show that thing off every now and then. I'll pop that bitch out at a party. Yeah, I would do that ring game where you kind of like, I'd have that ring game like, and just hang it from my chin and then have people try to hook it on there, you know?

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  You need your roommate with a Viagra supply.

• 2:13:00Theo Von?

  Dude, would you know my name? Dude, they'd make me play it like three or four times, dude.

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  If I was in bed with my wife and you showed up in the dark with an acoustic guitar playing Eric Clapton, that would skip, first of all, I would, and I'm not violent, but I'd fucking blow you away because I have a sidearm in my bedside towel. I would. All of a sudden, you're in bed with your girl and I was, someone singing Eric Clapton on acoustic guitar, it's like a fucking nightmare. You're like the incubus. I'd be like, stop right there. And you'd be like, dude.

• 2:13:35Theo Von?

  If I saw you in heaven. Well, the craziest thing, it's the saddest song. I don't even know what the song was about. I just learned it. And then in hindsight, when I realized I'm in there just playing for a bunch of geeked up seniors who were hopped up on weiner uppers and I was over there fucking playing a sad song like this.

• 2:13:55Speaker 01

  Isn't it about his son dying?

• 2:13:56Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's a beautiful, but yes, it is. And it's very sad. It's heartbreaking. I don't know what I was doing.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  It's not a sexy song, though, and I wonder how that mixes with Viagra. I don't see them, like of all the Viagra songs, like Paradise by the Dashboard Lights or something, you know?

• 2:14:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, I could only, only knew three songs.

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  You shook me all night long.

• 2:14:15Theo Von?

  Didn't have it.

• 2:14:15Speaker 01

  But Tears in Heaven? I mean, that's a boner killer, no?

• 2:14:19Theo Von?

  I thought so.

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  That's like a dirge.

• 2:14:21Theo Von?

  They'd been drinking orange juice and vodkas, dude. I, I, the best thing I could do was that. And then I had that, uh, Billy Ray was a preacher song. And that was a little-

• 2:14:30Speaker 01

  Dusty Springfield, ladies and gentlemen. That's kind of a hot song in a way.

• 2:14:33Theo Von?

  That was a little too.

• 2:14:34Speaker 01

  Do you know that she was a British lesbian?

• 2:14:36Theo Von?

  Dusty Springfield?

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  Yes. When you hear that, she's like, she's a black woman.

• 2:14:40Theo Von?

  Wait, I thought it was a-

• 2:14:41Speaker 01

  No, no, she was a little white girl lesbian. That was her only hit, I think, ever. That, that's Dusty Springfield and she died young. She died at-

• 2:14:50Theo Von?

  Who remade the song?

• 2:14:51Speaker 01

  At 60. No, that's the original, it's hers.

• 2:14:53Theo Von?

  Oh, it is.

• 2:14:54Speaker 01

  I think people have covered it, but the, the one that you know.

• 2:15:00Theo Von?

  I thought, uh, what's her name redid it?

• 2:15:02Speaker 01

  I'm sure many have covered it, but like the, the one that you hear still is hers.

• 2:15:08Theo Von?

  It's hers, wow.

• 2:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, Aretha, I guess Aretha did it.

• 2:15:11Theo Von?

  Oh, Ja, Ja, uh.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  Ja Stone. It's a testament to the durability of her version that that's still the one.

• 2:15:17Theo Von?

  Amen.

• 2:15:19Theo Von?

  Amen.

• 2:15:19Speaker 01

  Written the year I was born, I think.

• 2:15:23Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, I just wonder like, is there?

• 2:15:27Speaker 01

  You got me spun up with the preacher stuff.

• 2:15:29Theo Von?

  Did I really?

• 2:15:30Speaker 01

  You did.

• 2:15:30Theo Von?

  Well, who said stuff like, what about Judah Smith? He's a pastor that I know. Did he speak up about it? Do you know him?

• 2:15:35Speaker 01

  Is he here? Is he a good guy?

• 2:15:38Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, Jude is awesome. He's a great pastor. I just, uh, I just wonder if some of like the bigger like pastors spoke up about it or not. I don't know. And then that's when you start to think, well, am I wrong for, you know, what am I feeling? What's going on? There's no public record of Judah Smith, the pastor and author, speaking publicly about the conflict in Gaza. However, there's a different Judah Smith, a medical student, who spoke about the impact of mystical strike on Soroka Medical Center in Israel, which may be a good source of confusion. No public statements on the Gaza conflict from the pastor and lead at church home.

• 2:16:10Theo Von?

  But, yeah, I mean, people have their different views, you know? And those are like, I think it's just stuff I'm curious about. And I don't know like enough about the Bible sometimes.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  I think we have to say that Jesus is against killing innocents. I just think we have to say that because what's, I mean, if we can't say that, then what can we say? This is not a religion of violence. It's just not.

• 2:16:27Theo Von?

  Do, um, what do you feel like about Candace's, the assassination attempt? Do you find there was a reality in that?

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  I think that, um, I don't, I don't understand it. I love, I just want to say again, I love Candace. She's coming tonight and, uh,

• 2:16:42Theo Von?

  Her kids are the best.

• 2:16:43Speaker 01

  I've known her a long time. Yeah.

• 2:16:44Theo Von?

  I go over there to like see her kids. Sometimes I know that's kind of weird or whatever.

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  It's not weird.

• 2:16:48Theo Von?

  But it's not weird. I don't have any children or a wife or anything. So I go over there and, uh, yeah, her kids are like as full of life as could be. And they're all mixed kids and that's awesome. And then like,

• 2:17:01Speaker 01

  Pretty kids.

• 2:17:02Theo Von?

  Oh, dude, she has beautiful kids and her and Georgia are just funny, man.

• 2:17:05Speaker 01

  I totally agree. And I'm, and but, so I would say of the, of the assassination, I, you know, first of all, I knew him while he was right at my house right before he was killed. So I feel emotional about it still.

• 2:17:17Theo Von?

  Who was Charlie Kirk?

• 2:17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:18Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 2:17:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:20Theo Von?

  I didn't know that.

• 2:17:21Speaker 01

  And I love his wife and know his wife well. And so I feel emotional about it. So, you know, I just haven't wanted everything to do with it. But I will say a couple of things. I don't understand the official story at all.

• 2:17:34Theo Von?

  Of his assassination?

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't, I don't understand it. And I want to make sure that there is a, like a truly rigorous and honest federal investigation of it. And I'm definitely concerned about that, A. B, the, I think that one of the, I don't know many of the details, but I know that recently Candace said that Egyptian registered aircraft were following Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, around for a number of years in different places in the world. That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard, and I just want to say that that is factually true. That's true. So that's like the one data point that I happen to know is true. What does that mean? I have literally no idea.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  I can't even guess, but that's very, very strange.

• 2:18:22Theo Von?

  And what is Egyptian? It could mean aircraft from Egypt. Who knows?

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  I think that they were registered in Egypt.

• 2:18:27Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 2:18:28Speaker 01

  And so, but that, that fact is true. So I, that enough, and, and it also, her claim that, you know, there were kind of a disproportionately large number of foreign registered cell phones at the event, that's also true. So what does that add up to? I don't know, but it, it means that, you know, the FBI has a moral and legal obligation to, to look in every direction and to be open minded, as you would in any investigation, in journalism, in science. It's all the same process. I don't know the answer, and I'm going to sift through everything as open mindedly as I can, as honestly as I can, to get to what the truth is. That's, again, that's science, that's law enforcement, that's journalism, it's all the same.

• 2:19:13Speaker 01

  That's justice. And I just want to make sure that is happening, and I just don't have a ton of confidence in the FBI or the men who run it. And I'm not saying that out of ignorance, at all.

• 2:19:25Theo Von?

  That's it, scary part two.

• 2:19:27Speaker 01

  I'm not alleging anything, I'm just saying, I think it's really important that we have that.

• 2:19:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, and also I

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  I have no con- I mean

• 2:19:33Theo Von?

  I never wanted to think any of this.

• 2:19:35Speaker 01

  Like leaders of the FBI are on Twitter? Like, what?

• 2:19:38Theo Von?

  Oh, the one to- do you see the video that Tim Dillon did about the, um?

• 2:19:42Speaker 01

  No, because it makes me too mad.

• 2:19:44Theo Von?

  But no, I agree. It's like, and also, here's the weird thing. I never wanted to think about any of this shit. I never wanted to think that our FBI didn't care about us, or that our CIA was compromised, or that we couldn't try- like, you can't even call the police department without thinking that it goes directly to some other foreign lobby, right? Like, so like, and like, I ne- like, so it's weird that if people point fingers, like, I never, I just wanted to be, I just wanted to try my best and fucking be alive. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're not like a weirdo just because your brain is trying to figure things out. That's a brain's job, is to try to figure things out, is to try to make organization of things, right? Um, so it's just so crazy that people who are trying to figure things out are getting ostracized, you know?

• 2:20:28Theo Von?

  Whether they're right or wrong or something, at least they're trying to have some semblance of like curiosity, which is really just kind of reframed-

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  If the official story describing the murder of your friend doesn't make sense, and you find yourself yelling at a podcaster for coming up with other theories, you're barking in the wrong direction. Your anger should be focused on the people whose job it is legally, constitutionally, to get to the answer. And there's very little pressure on them, I notice. And a great deal of pressure on Candace Owens. And I've, by the way, I've said this to a bunch of people, you know, off the record, you know, people I'm just talking to. It's like, you know, what Candace is saying is clearly causing a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster. But I do know how the system works, and it's really simple.

• 2:21:19Speaker 01

  The FBI has this case, and of course, the state of Utah. It's their job to not only find out what happened, present it to the public in a way that restores some confidence that you can like have justice in this country, that we have functioning law enforcement. I don't have confidence in that, because there's a lot of evidence that we don't have that. So restore confidence by being honest and telling a story that makes sense. So why, and if they don't do that, and they haven't done that, they have not done that. How can you be mad at Candace Owens or anyone else for filling a vacuum that they left?

• 2:21:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:55Speaker 01

  Well, Candace is bad. Okay, no. The people with the authority are the ones responsible and they're the ones who should be held responsible when there's a failure, not some podcaster, not me, not you, not Candace, the people whose job it is. Talk about, and it's always that, it's always like, you know, you're, you say, well, I don't know why Israel's committing genocide and Gaza. Shut up, Theobal. It's like, shouldn't you be mad at Israel for committing the genocide?

• 2:22:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, or shouldn't, why am I the one even asking about it?

• 2:22:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:22:24Theo Von?

  Dude, I'm just a curious fucktard, dude. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying my best, but fuck, dude.

• 2:22:29Speaker 01

  I couldn't agree more.

• 2:22:30Theo Von?

  You know, I'm a guy who lived with a 66-year-old man to fucking chirp boner pills off of him, dude.

• 2:22:37Speaker 01

  With respect, like a lot of these criminal investigations, your story doesn't make sense.

• 2:22:42Theo Von?

  I, dude, his name was Wally. He played tennis. He was a 4.0 at tennis.

• 2:22:46Speaker 01

  Right. That makes him sound kind of wholesome and normal. He was my buddy's dad. You live with him so you can get free boner pills, then he invites you into his bedroom in the dark with his girl to play Eric Clapton songs on an acoustic guitar and you don't think there's anything kind of freaky about that at all?

• 2:23:02Theo Von?

  I think that's the most normal thing we've talked about all episode.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  You know, you're probably right.

• 2:23:07Theo Von?

  To be really honest with you.

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  To put it in context, yes.

• 2:23:10Theo Von?

  Um, I want to get you out of here soon because we want to go to your party tonight. What, uh, what is one of the things about the Charlie Kirk assassination that rubs you the wrongest, do you feel like?

• 2:23:20Speaker 01

  About the investigation into it?

• 2:23:21Theo Von?

  Yeah. I mean, it's the whole thing with the kid and the images and then they see him at like a Dairy Queen, some of the, it's just like, it's all so confusing. You can't decide what to believe. Um, but what do you, but also the fact that it doesn't feel like there's any presentation from the FBI or something about reality. So it feels like, it's just, it's internet sleuths filling in all the pieces. What do you think?

• 2:23:42Speaker 01

  I've called directly to say that, just as an American, as a friend of Charlie's who is interested in seeing justice and is interested in preserving our system beyond this year. Like, if you want the system to continue, you have to satisfy people that the system is real. And if they're convinced that it's not real, at some point they'll overthrow it. That's just going to happen. Okay? Oh, but Mom Donnie. Yeah. How do you think we got Mom Donnie? Or, and you think Mom Donnie's radical? The dude went to Bowdoin. It could be a lot more radical than that. And we're going to get that.

• 2:24:11Theo Von?

  They have a good sailing team there.

• 2:24:14Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 2:24:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:15Speaker 01

  At Boden?

• 2:24:16Theo Von?

  I thought it was Bowdoin, but it's not.

• 2:24:17Speaker 01

  No, it's Boden, known really for sodomy, but also sailing.

• 2:24:21Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't know that, huh?

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  Enthusiastic.

• 2:24:23Theo Von?

  The high seas.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  They've got one of the top rated varsity sodomy teams in the country.

• 2:24:27Theo Von?

  Hard to starboard.

• 2:24:28Speaker 01

  Zen users. But anyway, um, here's what I am concerned about. Two, well, a lot of things. One, he acted alone. Tell me how that worked. I don't, you know, none of us really act alone.

• 2:24:42Theo Von?

  It's hard to go anywhere by yourself, too.

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  Exactly. Thank you. Exactly. You acted totally alone. Okay. You're gonna have to prove that to me. It's totally possible. Anything is possible. Weird things have happened. We'll continue to. But if you're, that's not my default assumption, and it shouldn't be yours. And their default assumption is we acted alone. Really? Why do you think that? What about life suggests that people typically act alone? When was the last time you acted alone in anything? I don't go, you know, right? So, A. B, we know that people had foreknowledge of this because they posted about it on X. And said Charlie Kirk is gonna be killed on this date, and he was.

• 2:25:13Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 2:25:14Speaker 01

  Yes, it's true.

• 2:25:15Theo Von?

  Were they just guessing? Was it a guessing thing where every day they posted that?

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe. Have those people been interviewed? Have they been hauled into FBI HQ and had a long conversation with how they knew that? Like, let's get really specific. Why did you post that? Who have you talked to? Like, if I were doing this investigation, because I spent my whole life doing non-criminal investigations called journalism. Like, what do we know is true? How do we find out? Call everybody, be open-minded. It's like a very, it's the same process. If I was doing this investigation, they would be at the very top of the list. We know, because we've got public postings on Twitter that people know, just like on 9/11. We know people bet against American Airlines and the banks that were in the World Trade Centers. They shorted those stocks. Those people clearly had foreknowledge of 9/11. Who were those people? We still don't know. So I would start there.

• 2:26:01Theo Von?

  But, so you're saying that just the fact that there could possibly be some foreknowledge should be investigated?

• 2:26:05Speaker 01

  Well, there was foreknowledge because there were, I saw the tweets. And so there were, I saw at least two that said, you know, everything's gonna change when Charlie Kirk gets to the college in Utah.

• 2:26:16Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:26:16Speaker 01

  So those people, I'm not saying they're a part of a conspiracy, but they have, there's evidence that they had foreknowledge. Okay, so that's where you begin. And then I could, I could go on, like, tell me how this guy who seemed normal became a radical, trans, furry murderer? It's not enough to tell me, oh, trans, I'm not pro-trans, by the way.

• 2:26:40Theo Von?

  But was that the guy or his boyfriend?

• 2:26:41Speaker 01

  Well, exactly, exactly right. Tell me how this guy became so radicalized that he murdered a stranger. I'm not saying it didn't happen.

• 2:26:50Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 2:26:50Speaker 01

  I'm saying I want an explanation for how it happened. Why wouldn't I?

• 2:26:53Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 2:26:54Speaker 01

  Oh, we can't talk about that because it'll prejudice the jury pool. Really, you're, you've told the world that you have both a confession from him in his text to his boyfriend and the murder weapon with his fingerprints on it. I think you've got a pretty solid case. So why is it so difficult to just explain, dude, 9/11, the rubble was still smoldering when, I was on television on 9/11, so I remember this very well. People are instantly appear, go, that's, this is Islamic radicalism. Here's where it comes from. We're going to invite this guy in from Columbia who's just written a book about it. And like, the whole explanation was ready to go.

• 2:27:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:28Speaker 01

  This, there's no even attempt, which is both good and bad, but there's no attempt to explain how this happened. Like, it's, that's the key question we all want to know. Yes, I know Charlie Kirk just got, was murdered by gunshot, got it, saw it. Why? And they never want to tell you.

• 2:27:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:42Speaker 01

  Was the kid on SSRI? Shut up. Are you a Scientologist? They immediately start name calling you. Oh, you're Candace Owens now? No.

• 2:27:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, but if you're just a curious person who wants to know why your friend got killed.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  Well, that's kind of what I am. That's what I am.

• 2:27:58Theo Von?

  That's what I'm saying. It's just, it's a human person.

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  Well, that's what Candace is. So maybe, so I have said from the beginning, if you don't like what Candace Owens is saying, why don't you call her and offer a more plausible explanation for what happened? Oh, she's bad, she's bad. Okay. I mean, I like her a lot. I don't think she's bad, but I love her, actually, but let's just stipulate she's bad, but why wouldn't you do that?

• 2:28:24Theo Von?

  I don't agree with some of the stuff that she, the rabbit hole she goes down, but

• 2:28:27Speaker 01

  I don't even know.

• 2:28:28Theo Von?

  But I like the fact that she likes to dig in the garden, you know? So it's like, I like the fact that she's curious and that obviously if people weren't resonating with what she's doing, then nobody would be paying attention. But you know how many places I go? People will come up to me and be like, And I don't think they want to say something to me. They'll be like, I love Candace Owens.

• 2:28:48Speaker 01

  Dude, did I tell you what happened to me in Oslo this summer?

• 2:28:50Theo Von?

  Mm-mm.

• 2:28:50Speaker 01

  I was with my family, salmon fishing.

• 2:28:52Theo Von?

  White Oslo. Some people call it white Oslo as well.

• 2:28:54Speaker 01

  It's not very white anymore.

• 2:28:55Theo Von?

  It isn't?

• 2:28:56Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 2:28:56Theo Von?

  Aw, slow.

• 2:28:59Speaker 01

  But anyway, I'm in Oslo, Norway, and just for one night, we were fishing and then we go to Oslo to fly out. And I'm walking down the street with one of my daughters. Tucker Carlson! I was like, shit, I'm gonna get yelled at in Oslo. This guy runs up to me, Tucker Carlson, yes? You know Candace Owens? I was like, yeah. He goes, tell her I love her. And I texted Candace, I was like, that is fame when people come up to you just because of the reflected glory of someone you know.

• 2:29:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:25Speaker 01

  She, so why do people like Candace so much? She's an amazing broadcaster, yes. Because they sense in her, she might be wrong. Is she lying to me? Not on purpose. They sense the purity of her intent. That's the truth. And I can say as someone who's dealt with government officials my whole life, I'm not vouching for everything Candace claims. I don't even know a lot of what she claims because I'm working on her stuff. And it makes me sad also. But the point is, do I trust Candace more than I trust your average DOJ official? Are you joking? It's not even close, dude.

• 2:29:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:56Speaker 01

  It's not even close. It's not even close. We can all be wrong, but who do I trust to like, try to tell the truth more? Candace or your average DOJ official? Opposite ends of the spectrum. I'll just say that.

• 2:30:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:09Speaker 01

  Do you feel that?

• 2:30:10Theo Von?

  It's a scary time, yeah. It's a scary time. It's like, I remember when you were interviewing Putin.

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:16Theo Von?

  I remember thinking, we may get some real information here, which is kind of a crazy.

• 2:30:23Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 2:30:24Theo Von?

  And I'll just admit that. I'll be like, dude, we might really get some information here. Instead of all this BS, like Russia was involved in making all these ads and all this thing, we might really get some information here.

• 2:30:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you were right.

• 2:30:37Theo Von?

  It's 2:58, you came at noon, right?

• 2:30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:40Theo Von?

  Okay, we gotta get you out of here.

• 2:30:41Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 2:30:42Theo Von?

  That sucks. There goes your nap, though.

• 2:30:44Speaker 01

  I don't nap anymore.

• 2:30:45Theo Von?

  You don't?

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  No, I'm, dude, I'm flying to the Middle East tomorrow. That's like 12 hours apiece for me. I'm just gonna eat hummus.

• 2:30:53Theo Von?

  Are you flying on a commercial?

• 2:30:54Speaker 01

  I'm flying commercial. They have the-

• 2:30:56Theo Von?

  It's the best.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  They have the best airline. I'm sorry. I know that makes me an Islamist. I know I'm responsible for Danny Pearl's murder for saying that, but Qatar Airways is like the best airline. It just is. I've flown in all airlines.

• 2:31:08Theo Von?

  Dude, some of the best people over there. I had a great time over there.

• 2:31:12Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 2:31:12Theo Von?

  And what I like about their country is they keep shit in line. Like, there's not a lot of fucking BS over there.

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  No, and you can say what you want. It's more, it's definitely more restrained in some ways.

• 2:31:22Theo Von?

  Yeah. We could say [BLEEP] it as well, dude. Remember, you couldn't even say it the other day.

• 2:31:26Speaker 01

  Well, I could say it, because I'm American, but like, no, you're not allowed to spray paint public buildings there. Sorry. You can't shit on the sidewalk. You're not allowed to have sex in an ATM vestibule or smoke meth in front of other people's houses. But you can say what you believe. So there's a constriction of freedom in some ways, for sure.

• 2:31:43Theo Von?

  Well, especially like the other day. So my gay friend calls me up. He's like, dude, he wanted me to say [BLEEP] to his friends on Zoom, right?

• 2:31:51Theo Von?

  And I'm like, dude-

• 2:31:51Speaker 01

  What's your life like, dude?

• 2:31:53Theo Von?

  Bro, I'm like, dude, I'm not saying it. I just woke up.

• 2:31:55Speaker 01

  Wait, can we just consider, you just said, my gay friend called me the other day, and he wants me to say [BLEEP] to his friends on Zoom.

• 2:32:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, he thought it would be cool.

• 2:32:01Speaker 01

  It's an amazing sentence.

• 2:32:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, but it's like, people are trying to say like, well, you can't say this and that, but it's like, what do you want me to do in that instance? It's like, my gay buddy calls me up, and he's like, dude, a couple of my boys are over here. Trent's over here. Say [BLEEP] for us. And I'm like, dude, you know, and I just woken up, right? I'm like, I'm not saying it like if I just woke up, dude. That's crazy.

• 2:32:21Speaker 01

  You gotta ease into [BLEEP]. You can't, you can't just like, go cold into [BLEEP]. I've had this exact problem.

• 2:32:26Theo Von?

  Dude, I'm not having my eyes open for 40 seconds.

• 2:32:28Speaker 01

  My wife will say that. She'll wake me up and she's like, say [BLEEP]. I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I need a cup of coffee first.

• 2:32:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, definitely, dude. At least let me put on some sneakers, you know, like, but that was cra- it's like, and then, and also the fact that Piers Morgan wouldn't say it. It's a British word. You guys started the word.

• 2:32:43Speaker 01

  I know. It's not like I asked him to say cunt. I almost did, because I think that's allowed. You can say that.

• 2:32:47Theo Von?

  Well, that's fair, but it's like-

• 2:32:48Speaker 01

  The K-word, as they say where I live.

• 2:32:49Theo Von?

  They're both his words, dude. And I understand, like, not yelling it at somebody that's gay, or like, you know, say you open your door, and like, two guys are like blowing each other in your front yard or something. I don't yell-

• 2:32:59Speaker 01

  No, that's when you don't say it.

• 2:33:00Theo Von?

  That's when you don't say it.

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  Because you don't call the fat girl fat.

• 2:33:03Theo Von?

  Well, yeah.

• 2:33:03Speaker 01

  You joke about the skinny girl being fat, because it's a joke.

• 2:33:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, you don't yell fat. You're like, hey, fellas, hit the road, right? You know? It's like, uh-

• 2:33:11Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:33:12Theo Von?

  Dude, like, one time I walked behind a 7-Eleven, there was a couple of gay dudes back there. One of them was at least gay, and they were, one of them was blowing one of them, right? So at least-

• 2:33:18Speaker 01

  So who is gay?

• 2:33:19Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 2:33:20Speaker 01

  Who is gay?

• 2:33:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:22Speaker 01

  And that's, no, sorry, just kidding.

• 2:33:23Theo Von?

  Who is gay? But yeah, I didn't ask right at that point. No, but I was like, guys, come on, you know? And they were, and one of them got into a car that had those, um, it was like a, a Honda Civic that had those, it was around the holidays, that had those antler ears out the side.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:40Theo Von?

  And I was like, that's.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  Was that the guy blowing or getting blown?

• 2:33:43Theo Von?

  I don't know which one it was, but that was the.

• 2:33:45Speaker 01

  It matters, it matters.

• 2:33:46Theo Von?

  But that was the, I think, that was the gay.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. But the antler ears? Yeah.

• 2:33:50Theo Von?

  But that was the gay guy. Yeah. So, uh, anyway, I don't even know.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  That's called deductive reasoning, Theo.

• 2:33:57Theo Von?

  That's all it is, dude.

• 2:33:57Speaker 01

  Dude, you are the Sherlock Holmes of gay 7-Eleven.

• 2:34:01Theo Von?

  But my buddy, the other day, it's like, now I'm the bad guy to a gay friend because I won't say, cause I won't say that over to his Zoom at work. And I'm like, dude, I'm not saying.

• 2:34:12Speaker 01

  You got a buddy calls, all he needs you to do is say on Zoom, that's it. He's not asking for, it's not a loan. He's not asking to bail him out of jail. He just want, just say on Zoom and you're like, no, the one thing you want, I deny you.

• 2:34:23Theo Von?

  Dude, I, and I've said this before, I think that a lot of people, like gay people, they should auction off the word. Somebody can say it one time at a certain time, everybody can buy a Zoom pass to watch the person say it. Like you, like say like, um, I'm trying to think of who, but say, uh, who's a good one? Burt Reynolds is gonna say it tonight, right? He's gonna say it tonight at midnight.

• 2:34:42Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:34:42Theo Von?

  And everybody can buy a pass to watch him say it, right?

• 2:34:45Speaker 01

  I love that. But it doesn't, I'm not insecure about this because I've worked around and loved gays my whole life.

• 2:34:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, none of my gay friends are gonna be upset about this.

• 2:34:54Speaker 01

  But you know what? They are the offenders. It's like, they're like rappers with the N-word. It's insane. You work with gay men, he's a, I'll just be like, oh, I can't deal with this.

• 2:35:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, I can't even, yeah, the people that say, but dude, I think it's the same with the N-word. They should auction it off where people could, like say if Angela Inajoli is saying the N-word tonight at 10:15. You know how many people are gonna pay to watch? And then the money goes towards, uh, black causes and black culture.

• 2:35:17Speaker 01

  Pay-per-view profanity.

• 2:35:19Theo Von?

  Yep.

• 2:35:20Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:35:21Theo Von?

  You know.

• 2:35:22Speaker 01

  Like, why waste it?

• 2:35:23Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:35:23Speaker 01

  No, you're totally right.

• 2:35:25Theo Von?

  You know how many people, she gets 30 minutes, she can say it anywhere in there, she can do a little bit, she can read a book and drop it.

• 2:35:29Speaker 01

  Angelina Jolie saying the N-word. I might actually pay the 25.99 to see that.

• 2:35:35Theo Von?

  Dude, who wouldn't?

• 2:35:36Speaker 01

  No, actually.

• 2:35:37Theo Von?

  I know. That's what I'm saying, but then, then you're making.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  That is so naughty. That's like a.

• 2:35:42Theo Von?

  I agree. But you're making money for your cause.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  It's like a hate crimes OnlyFans.

• 2:35:47Theo Von?

  Ooh, kinda.

• 2:35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:49Theo Von?

  But I think.

• 2:35:50Speaker 01

  Can you do that? I've never been in OnlyFans, obviously, but could you get an OnlyFans to be like, say the N-word? I mean.

• 2:35:58Theo Von?

  I think you could do it, dude. If you could get George Washington's great-grandson to say it, what about that? Tonight, we got George Washington's great-grandson. Bring him up. We got George Washington's great-grandson tonight at probably, I bet he's pretty old, so at 7:15 PM.

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  He's like about 150 years old, actually.

• 2:36:15Theo Von?

  Okay, sorry. Oh, George Washington didn't have any children?

• 2:36:18Speaker 01

  It's only the Custises. It's through his wife's family. No, he didn't.

• 2:36:22Theo Von?

  But if his great-great-grandson is saying it, I'm gonna tap in. There's no way. If it's 6.99 to hear him say it at 7.15?

• 2:36:28Speaker 01

  If it was Thomas Jefferson's black great-great-great-great-grandson.

• 2:36:31Theo Von?

  Ah.

• 2:36:32Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 2:36:33Theo Von?

  I wouldn't as much.

• 2:36:34Speaker 01

  There's no charge there.

• 2:36:34Theo Von?

  But it's still, if it's a little Asian guy or whatever who's been in a coma, they know he's waking up at 3, at 4:30, he's gonna say it.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  And mispronounces it.

• 2:36:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:43Speaker 01

  I would, I would pay for that.

• 2:36:45Theo Von?

  Ah, yeah. Crazy. I'm gonna take that part out. Uh, anyway, Tucker, how do we stay at like, I'm sure there's moments where you've gotten down, too far down the well. Like, if you look at some of this stuff too much, it gets really, it can get pretty negative.

• 2:36:58Speaker 01

  I'm out of the well. I'm totally out of the well. I've like, I'm above the clouds and it's always sunny there. It's like, I, I feel so much better because I just concluded that everything you suspect is true. It's always been true. It was true in Rome. It was true in every period in history and it's true now. And the only thing that's changed is we lied to ourselves about it, but now, once you realize, yeah, it's all true, I don't need any more evidence, I got it, I figured it out. And.

• 2:37:26Speaker 01

  The good things in life are still amazing and you can make a difference by telling the truth and when you do, you become stronger in some supernatural way. And there's just so much beauty and joy in life. I'm not going to get bogged down in all the hatred. I'm not going to take orders from Mark Levin and become a Nazi just because he calls me one. No, sorry. You're not playing your games.

• 2:37:46Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure. It's like people say stuff on the internet. It's like, whatever, dude.

• 2:37:50Speaker 01

  But pivot against it. Be like, yeah, I'm, I.

• 2:37:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, people will make fun of me for stuff or do certain things. It's like, I don't care about it that much. I don't care really what you call me that much. I mean, I already know things that I am, you know? I'm not great, that's for sure, but uh.

• 2:38:07Speaker 01

  But they never call you the things you really are. He lived, he lived with a dude who gave him free Viagra.

• 2:38:13Theo Von?

  I had to steal it. I had to sneak in there and eat some of it at night. Tucker Carlson, man, thanks so much for your time, dude. Do you think we're going to get in trouble for any of this?

• 2:38:22Speaker 01

  I, I'm already, I was already voted Nazi of the week by BB or something. I don't, I don't care. It's a lie and if you spend your life responding to a lie.

• 2:38:33Theo Von?

  You don't seem like a Nazi to me at all, man.

• 2:38:34Speaker 01

  No, not a Nazi.

• 2:38:36Theo Von?

  You know?

• 2:38:37Speaker 01

  And I'm not going to become one.

• 2:38:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, I would notice if you started Nazi-ing a little bit.

• 2:38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:42Theo Von?

  You know?

• 2:38:43Speaker 01

  It's a little too rigid for me, just temperamentally also. I don't like tight clothing at all. I can't stand to be ordered.

• 2:38:50Theo Von?

  You'd look good in green, though. Um, look, before you leave, Tucker, I just want to play this for you.

• 2:38:55Speaker 01

  Do you mind?

• 2:38:56Theo Von?

  Would you know?

• 2:38:57Speaker 01

  I'm getting wood listening to that. It's just, you know, I'm thinking like, maybe I do invite Theo over. Just middle of the night in bed with my wife. It's totally dark. All of a sudden I hear the, the notes.

• 2:39:07Theo Von?

  Well, it's because I couldn't make rent sometimes. I think he was thinking of any way I could help out.

• 2:39:11Speaker 01

  I get it. You're young, you needed the money. I've heard this before.

• 2:39:14Theo Von?

  Hey, dude, those erections, those are caused by Alps. You know that, don't you?

• 2:39:19Speaker 01

  Yes, they are. The pouch for your mouth.

• 2:39:22Theo Von?

  Hey. Um, Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, man. And uh, thanks for inviting me to your get together. I'm excited about it and I'll see you later on. Anything else you wanted to talk about?

• 2:39:30Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 2:39:31Theo Von?

  All right. Appreciate you, brother.

• 2:39:33Speaker 01

  You're the best.

• 2:39:34Theo Von?

  You too, man. Yep, stay safe.

• 2:39:45Speaker 04

  Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's gonna take a little.