Bentley Torcal Revealed! McLaren Rebrand! Miata Corvette?!

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Kenan.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. We have merch. Anyway, the big news today.

• 1:13Speaker 04

  Merch.carsandbeds.com if you want it.

• 1:16Doug DeMuro?

  The big news today is Filippo's leaving us. This is Filippo's last ever podcast. There's a lot to discuss. We have, we got a whole segment coming up. Filippo wants to say some careful words.

• 1:26Speaker 04

  He's very carefully chosen.

• 1:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's, that's coming later. We also, every question this week was, is dedicated to Filippo.

• 1:33Speaker 04

  That's a shame. I'm sorry.

• 1:34Doug DeMuro?

  And so there's a lot of Filippo. This is his last podcast ever. He wore his giraffe shirt today to be here with us. Last time. Filippo, why don't you make the sounds of a giraffe?

• 1:43Speaker 04

  No, I'm good. Thank you.

• 1:45Speaker 05

  He barely knows that a giraffe exists as an animal.

• 1:47Speaker 04

  I've seen a giraffe.

• 1:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. This is Filippo's last ever pod. Every word he says here is really, it's important. Like this is, this, this is the end of the record.

• 1:55Speaker 05

  Savor every syllable that he utters. We're not going to hear it again.

• 1:59Speaker 04

  This is episode 130. If you want more Filippo, just go listen to the.

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  They've all heard those already. This is the end of the line. And so we start with the news and I'm going to defer to you for all the news stories. I want to hear your take. Because it'll be the last time we hear your take ever.

• 2:13Speaker 04

  Can I add news stories as we go?

• 2:14Doug DeMuro?

  No. Uh, all right. We start with the Bentley Torcal. Filippo, tell us your take.

• 2:19Speaker 04

  Take a Porsche Cayenne EV and make it look like a Bentley. It will be the cheapest Bentley. Is our understanding based on kind of rough pricing.

• 2:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  It'll be the cheapest Bentley in their lineup. It's an EV, 375 miles in the WLTP cycle, so call it 300-ish in the US cycle.

• 2:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  800 something horsepower. Uh, it's a mid-size EV SUV.

• 2:39Speaker 05

  So this is smaller than the Bentayga. The slot's under.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  Notably smaller.

• 2:42Doug DeMuro?

  You're, you're, you're missing, obviously you're missing the most important point.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Which is?

• 2:46Doug DeMuro?

  Number one, it's the first Bentley to wear Bentley's new logo. Do you want to pull up Bentley's new logo?

• 2:51Speaker 05

  Isn't it?

• 2:52Doug DeMuro?

  This is a big change and I think it's important to hit on it because you only wanted to talk about the.

• 2:57Speaker 04

  The specs.

• 2:57Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this, folks. This is a completely different company.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  What is different?

• 3:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you know, I'm not, I don't know personally.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  It's not wings. They're, they're like hatched.

• 3:08Speaker 05

  It's not rounded. They're straight.

• 3:09Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not sure what's different personally, but there are, apparently there are things. Most importantly though, it's the first EV Bentley.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  It will be available as a Torcal and Torcal S. The Torcal S will apparently do 0 to 60 in 2.8 seconds. It has 996 pound-feet of torque.

• 3:23Speaker 05

  That's a lot of torque.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  It's not quite a thousand though, so.

• 3:26Speaker 05

  They couldn't quite get there?

• 3:27Doug DeMuro?

  I love this car. I think it looks great.

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Do you think it looks good? Cause I can't, I truly can't decide.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  It does look like a Cullinan, like a, like a Hyundai and a Bentley all had a baby.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  Oh, it looks like somebody took a Cayenne EV and made it look like a Bentley.

• 3:42Doug DeMuro?

  This picture doesn't quite show up, but there's a little too much Cayenne in the rear of the three quarters. There's a little too much Cayenne. There's a, there's a hard point or two back there that they weren't able to redesign in a Bentley-ish manner.

• 3:51Speaker 05

  The front just feels Cullinan derivative to me.

• 3:53Doug DeMuro?

  It's, but it's Bentley. Bentley and Rolls have always been best friends.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Can you pull up the rear?

• 3:58Doug DeMuro?

  Except for those few years that Volkswagen and BMW were engaged in corporate warfare.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Right. Uh, the front looks a little too soft for me. The Cullinan, which I saw one today on the way here.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  He types in Bentley EVS. I couldn't do not spell Torcal. I could have spelled Torcal.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Go to like the red, any.

• 4:16Doug DeMuro?

  T-O-R-C-A-L.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Oh, that's a rendering.

• 4:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's an EX90 and a bad rendering.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Well, I can't even spell it. Torcal.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  The front is a little too, the Cullinan is still like upright and in your face.

• 4:28Doug DeMuro?

  The moment every new car is released, we'll talk about what it looks like. I'm over that.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  On the rear, I'm surprised by this character line around the tailgate, but.

• 4:36Speaker 05

  Well, it's so square and then they just went round.

• 4:38Doug DeMuro?

  Listen, don't look at the details. Look at the overall picture. Bentley has given us an electric sport utility vehicle. We may rejoice in the streets.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Yep. I'm into it. I do, I like it.

• 4:50Doug DeMuro?

  0 to 60 in 2.8.

• 4:51Speaker 05

  Who cares?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  I do like it for what it's worth and I do think there's a market for this. Maybe not in the US, but in Europe, there certainly is.

• 4:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  I do wonder how it'll sell here. Cause like it's a Bentley SUV, which is practical. It's what people want, but it's an EV.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  It's interesting because the, like Rolls Royce hasn't electrified the Cullinan yet. You have to imagine that's coming. But they have, I mean, they do with, what's the EV?

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Spectre.

• 5:12Speaker 05

  The Spectre and those have sold really well, but that's a very different type of car. I, I don't know.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  I am proud of Bentley for skipping the trap of doing a car as the first EV.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:21Doug DeMuro?

  That other automakers have done and it's messed up. They have sent, instead just were like, we know our buyers want SUVs. We're going to go with an SUV. I think it's fine. It's, I don't, I actually think Bentayga was a little bit more Bentley in its design when it first came out.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:34Doug DeMuro?

  I think this is maybe a little derivative. You said Cullinan in the front. I disagree with that.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  I don't know what I was thinking. What was I thinking with that? Cullinan's not made by Bentley.

• 5:41Speaker 05

  But it may not be made by Bentley.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but sure. The point is.

• 5:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's inspired by, you know, Beethoven listened to other composers before he lost his hearing and he was inspired by them.

• 5:51Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, I think it's fine. It's going to be great. We're all very excited for it. 196 inches long. Filippo, you can get this into your tiny garage.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  Can I ask a question? Is this the first Bentley in like the last many decades to not have two separate round headlamps?

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Is this like, is this like their, their new direction?

• 6:11Doug DeMuro?

  We're going in a, we're going a different way.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  But it is kind of surprising, right?

• 6:15Speaker 05

  But it, the most recent Continental kind of smeared it a little bit.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  It still has the one and a half.

• 6:20Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't the new Continental and the new, both the Flying Spur and the Continental GT?

• 6:25Speaker 05

  Have more of that.

• 6:26Doug DeMuro?

  Don't have that.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  I thought it still had the second headlight on the corner.

• 6:28Doug DeMuro?

  I think what it has is there, there's an oval and then there's a line that comes out of it. If I remember correctly, I'm looking at a picture and I think it's a production car.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right. You're right. We've moved to that.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I'm into it. Torcal, electric Bentley. We are doing this. We are doing this as a real thing. We are going electric.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  Love it. I'm into it.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  You're excited. I'm excited. We're all excited. Uh, do we know when it goes on sale?

• 6:51Speaker 04

  27.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  Goes on sale early next year. Not that far away. You throwing in a deposit?

• 6:56Speaker 05

  Absolutely. I, I think it's great. I think, I think, I think that luxury manufacturers should tend a little more EV because the whole point is like, it's really not about the engine despite the W12 that no longer exists that we loved. It's really about like seamless power delivery in silence and nothing delivers that up in electric motors. So as long as you don't inconvenience your clients by them like having too short a range, which I'm sure this won't have.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  Not 300 something. It'll be good.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fine. That's totally fine.

• 7:19Doug DeMuro?

  I'm still into a plug-in hybrid.

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 7:21Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand why they can't just do plug-in hybrids.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  Everybody is. Everybody's doing that and extended range EVs, except for apparently Bentley.

• 7:28Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean, except for Bentley? Everybody's doing EVs. EV9, Ioniq 9.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Everybody is at this moment in time going to e-rev.

• 7:36Doug DeMuro?

  Every single kid at my kid's school drop-off is in an EV9 or an Ioniq 9, without exception.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 7:42Doug DeMuro?

  Except me. It goes Ioniq 9, EV9, Ioniq 9, EV9, Supra Turbo.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 7:47Doug DeMuro?

  Ioniq 9.

• 7:48Speaker 04

  And on the Dave, you don't drive the Supra Turbo E55 MG wagon.

• 7:52Doug DeMuro?

  Every single, there's Filippo, there's something here and I'm not trying to tell you what to build over at Ford.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:58Doug DeMuro?

  But there are people here who want three-row electric vehicles.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 8:02Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, in the comments, if you want a three-row electric vehicle, you tell us.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, let me know.

• 8:06Speaker 05

  Tell Filippo specifically.

• 8:07Doug DeMuro?

  But Filippo's gone. We can't give out his email address anymore.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  FilippoCartsAndBeds.com doesn't go anywhere anymore.

• 8:13Doug DeMuro?

  It goes to Sean.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  No, we should have made that happen.

• 8:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right. Next news story is this pixelated image.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  Wild choice.

• 8:19Doug DeMuro?

  Of the WRX TS. Subaru has teased a WRX and a BRZ performance model. Unfortunately, it's a TS. I say unfortunately because they've done this before to us. Do you remember the previous BRZ TS?

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, which is the same generation.

• 8:33Doug DeMuro?

  It was, no, it was last gen. It was a great car, honestly. It was, it was like tuned up, a little better handling and suspension on it, but what didn't it give us Filippo that we really wanted? We wanted power. We wanted horsepower. We, now the new WRX is the greatest WRX ever made and I truly firmly believe that. All we want is an STI.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I want to be clear. We don't actually know if it'll be TS. They've said nothing about this. It'll be revealed this weekend at the York Fairgrounds in York, Pennsylvania. At their big Subaru event.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  So if you live in York, you got something to do this weekend.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  At the last year's Japan Auto Salon.

• 9:07Doug DeMuro?

  They released this photo which says TS on the back. This is an official photo.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  Incredibly, it's not on their media website.

• 9:12Doug DeMuro?

  The cool thing about this photo also is there's a massive wing, which makes it look like an old STI.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  Big wing.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  All we want is an STI, except of course Nick is just trying to get rid of his.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 9:24Doug DeMuro?

  Thanks.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  I figured out what you put in it. It took me a second.

• 9:27Doug DeMuro?

  But they won't do it. They're gonna, this is gonna be some sort of like special handling version of the car, which is fine.

• 9:32Speaker 05

  But no more power.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Kinda weak.

• 9:33Doug DeMuro?

  Probably not. I mean, it's probably not. Where is it gonna be released? I'm sorry.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  At York, the York Fairgrounds in York, Pennsylvania.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  At the Subaru Boxer Fest is what you're not saying.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, correct.

• 9:42Doug DeMuro?

  Boxer Fest is one of the great events of our lives. Nick Stafford, our esteemed production guy, has been to it many times in his XV cross track.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Per BoxerFest.com, it's one of several events, including the Wicked Big Meat, Subi Fest California, the other Subi Fests, and they're gonna have a huge vendor selection with killer deals.

• 10:02Doug DeMuro?

  What car, here's a question for you. What car you show up to Boxer Fest stops the show?

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Manual swapped SPX.

• 10:10Speaker 05

  Now, thank you. That's exactly what I was gonna say.

• 10:12Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody thinks so little. Everybody's got a manual swapped SPX. I'm thinking benign Tribeca limo, but I thought you could do even better than that.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  That would, that would do well.

• 10:21Doug DeMuro?

  What car? 22B?

• 10:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 10:23Doug DeMuro?

  You think a 22B?

• 10:24Speaker 04

  22B will be there.

• 10:25Doug DeMuro?

  You think a 22B would showstop more or less than a benign Tribeca limo?

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Benign Tribeca limo will be off in the corner, but will showstop more.

• 10:33Speaker 05

  Yep. It'll be like, you know, when, you remember when the Car Bros went to Quail? They put the, they had the fake Enzo. They put it next to the toilets. That's where the Tribeca would be, and it would stop a lot of people in their tracks.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  STI swapped benign.

• 10:45Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh, damn.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  I don't think it'd be more power, actually, but it would be cooler.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  I think the limo would do better.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:50Doug DeMuro?

  What about a really nice L.L. Bean second gen?

• 10:54Speaker 04

  I would pay attention to that. Love that.

• 10:56Doug DeMuro?

  What about a VDC?

• 10:59Doug DeMuro?

  Remember the sedan?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 11:01Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up, please.

• 11:03Doug DeMuro?

  2004, we probably have sold one, don't you think?

• 11:05Speaker 04

  I don't know that we have.

• 11:06Doug DeMuro?

  Go to CarsAndBids.com. By the way, we have merch at Cars and Bids. Alright, go to, type in Outback sedan. Outback sedan.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  Have we not?

• 11:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know, we have. L.L. Bean no less.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, I didn't want this gen.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  No, I know. We somehow haven't sold any of the previous.

• 11:20Doug DeMuro?

  I'm off it. Anyway, new WRX. I'm sure it'll be handling focused and sporty and possibly limited edition. It will not give us what we truly crave, which is a 540 horsepower version. Or that wagon, which we really want, that they sell in overseas markets, including Australia. The Australians get it.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Australians get everything that's sold in the Asian markets.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 11:39Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you're watching from Australia, go buy one of those.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Can I, can I note, I was literally looking at Subaru's press site, and they have like a one sentence blurb about announcing this car. Didn't realize that a press photo.

• 11:52Doug DeMuro?

  They don't want the press photo to get too big ahead of Boxer Fest.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  They don't want the PR.

• 11:57Doug DeMuro?

  They don't want, that'd be crazy. They don't wanna upstage the crowds in York, Pennsylvania. Let me tell you something. A greater group of, of 05 legacy GT owners with tinted plate frames and, and cut springs has never existed than this, this event where they're gonna show off this car. What would it take for you to get a WRX?

• 12:20Speaker 05

  Me?

• 12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 12:20Speaker 05

  Gun to my head?

• 12:21Doug DeMuro?

  Really? An 04 STI?

• 12:23Speaker 05

  No, that's not true.

• 12:24Doug DeMuro?

  This? This car?

• 12:24Speaker 05

  I, well, I've considered, the current WRX, a surprisingly good lease.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  A great lease.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  I've thought about it, to be honest.

• 12:30Doug DeMuro?

  You know what's faster than your M5?

• 12:32Speaker 05

  A lot of cars are faster than my M5, but they're not my M5, and that's the distinction.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  You're right. It's better 'cause it's got four wheel drive.

• 12:37Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  I really need that here in Southern California.

• 12:40Doug DeMuro?

  You can get it muddy.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  For the handling.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  That's true. I can't do that. I don't know. I, I don't know.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  Jump out there on the trail. I love this car.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  I love the, I mean, our friend Kevin had the STI wagon. That's my favorite gen. Like, I really like that.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Subaru people would like you to be a little bit more specific.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  To us, it was a hatchback.

• 12:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a, fine.

• 12:58Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot, there's controversy about that.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  The WRX wagon existed. No, the STI wagon never did.

• 13:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. For two generations, there was a WRX wagon. And then it became a hatchback.

• 13:06Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 13:07Doug DeMuro?

  And then they killed it entirely, except apparently in Australia.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  And.

• 13:10Speaker 05

  Oh, we like our Subarus down here.

• 13:13Doug DeMuro?

  They're walking around like hitting kangaroos with their car.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  You don't hit kangaroos. You avoid them. Make a miss.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  It's also available in New Zealand. Can you switch to a New Zealand accent?

• 13:22Speaker 05

  No, I don't wanna offend the cures. It's, it's too close. Like, it's too close to call. It's like, they're usually higher pitched. It's a Nick Murray, Nick Murray accent.

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  This is the Autozone Rescue. We've teamed up with Autozone and their quality parts to rescue this iconic 1987 Toyota 4Runner that's in dire need of saving. We made it back to the studio. The truck is running great after we did the distributor, the plugs, and the wires in the driveway. But there are some things that we still need to address. The car wasn't exactly running hot, but the weather's been too hot lately, so we're gonna revamp the entire cooling system. But before we do anything, it's time to flush the cooling system to remove any contaminants that would damage our new parts. For those new parts, Duralast has it covered. First up, water pump. The Duralast water pump gets the job done right because it's 100% factory tested, and it comes with a limited lifetime warranty. Fans, let's do the thermostat. This thing is crusty. It's time for a new one anyways. This is our new radiator. I thought I'd have to switch the brackets over,

• 15:22Speaker 06

  but the Duralast radiator hasn't built in. It's made to fit like the original equipment, and it works well in extreme weather. We'll also need upper and lower radiator hoses. Duralast has it covered. They can move coolant without skipping a beat. We're using new hose clamps, too. The old ones have likely lost the spring tension needed to prevent leaks from the coolant hoses, so let's knock it out. Last but not least, for our cooling system revamp, filling it with Prestone coolant. This is gonna help keep our engine under control, keep the 22RE happy, and make sure that this is a burrito-getting machine for many, many years to come. Alright, so the coolant level is in the funnel, so what we need to do now is start the car, let it get up to operating temperature. We'll let that new Duralast thermostat open. Coolant will go through the system. I'll monitor it here. Earp the system. Beautiful. Stay tuned next week to see what we tackle next on the Autozone Rescue.

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• 16:38Doug DeMuro?

  Um, okay, move on to the next news clip, please.

• 16:40Speaker 05

  Uh, yes.

• 16:41Doug DeMuro?

  Marriott Bonvoy.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Not a sponsor.

• 16:44Doug DeMuro?

  Not a sponsor, however, they are teaming up with McLaren in, in logo creation.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Oh, it really does. So McLaren has a new logo.

• 16:53Doug DeMuro?

  Today, we woke up from a text, to a text message from Nick, and he sent this, and he said, McLaren's new logo. And I'm thinking, what the hell is he talking about? But then I saw that this had been revealed, McLaren's new logo, and it is somewhat similar.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  The similarity is, uh, why does McLaren need a new logo?

• 17:11Doug DeMuro?

  Do you see the similarity?

• 17:12Speaker 05

  That'll fix it.

• 17:14Doug DeMuro?

  The similarity is that one of the letters is underlined, but the same size as the other letters, but only when you factor in the other. Go back to the previous logo, I'll show you. See how the O, and then go back there. See how the C?

• 17:28Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 17:29Doug DeMuro?

  Do you understand the similarity now?

• 17:31Speaker 04

  I do wanna share that the first car to have the new logo will be the SUV that they were, that will be for sale in 2028. That is not a joke. That is what they've said.

• 17:39Doug DeMuro?

  So wait, is the New Zealand logo gone? Are we, are we giving up on the legend of Bruce McLaren?

• 17:44Speaker 04

  No, no. So apparently, go to the actual McLaren logo. This matches a sign that was in the shop where he built his first race car.

• 17:50Doug DeMuro?

  Where Bruce McLaren built his first race car?

• 17:52Speaker 04

  Reportedly, it looked, it had McLaren's with a little dash underneath.

• 17:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Really? I didn't know he built that at the Bon, Marriott Bonvoy.

• 18:01Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it in. Is that a New Zealand?

• 18:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, Auckland, right?

• 18:05Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. I, I just wanna, I just wanna say this.

• 18:10Doug DeMuro?

  Bruce McLaren is a legend, at least in my house, because he won the Le Mans with the Ford GT40.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Really?

• 18:22Speaker 05

  That's right, he did.

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  Now, everything that came later, I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

• 18:27Speaker 05

  Right, the F1 and Formula One.

• 18:30Doug DeMuro?

  He was gone by then. He died like two years after winning F1 in a crash.

• 18:33Speaker 04

  He died in 1970, yeah.

• 18:35Doug DeMuro?

  But before that happened, he beat Ferrari at Le Mans, driving for Shelby.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  Is there a movie about Bruce McLaren? I feel like there should be.

• 18:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, let's get a movie going, Filippo.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Let's do it.

• 18:47Doug DeMuro?

  Now they're working for Ford. They've got that one movie they already did about the Ford and the Ferrari. Although I think that would be the same movie, more or less.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  The Ford and the Ferrari.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  With more driving.

• 18:56Doug DeMuro?

  Now, the truth of the matter is, even though technically Bruce McLaren won Le Mans, no one thinks that that happened.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  I'm sorry?

• 19:05Doug DeMuro?

  This is one of my favorite Le Mans stories of all time.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  I love that you got into racing. This is great.

• 19:10Doug DeMuro?

  Only for the GT40.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  No, I'm okay with that.

• 19:12Speaker 05

  There's no other car he cares about.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  And the Curgi.

• 19:14Doug DeMuro?

  A couple other, yeah, the Curgi.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  All right, 66 Le Mans. I'm gonna tell you this story. You're gonna, you're gonna love this one.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Please.

• 19:21Doug DeMuro?

  66 Le Mans, Ford, Ford has been battling off with Ferrari for the last few Le Mans. Enzo didn't want to sell the company. Ford went back. You know the whole story. You saw the movie. You didn't see the movie, but you know the story. So 66, it becomes pretty clear that Ford is gonna win Le Mans, like with, with three or four hours to go, Ford is gonna win. And not only are they gonna win, but they got three cars still running. You know this story more or less.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  One, two, three.

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  So what do they do with the three cars?

• 19:46Speaker 05

  So they've decided, so in the movie, as you mentioned, only cars way far ahead. And they decided to slow them all down so they can get the marketing picture of the three Fords.

• 19:55Doug DeMuro?

  They wanted to get a picture of all three Fords crossing the line at the same time, ignoring the fact that one of them was not on the lead lap. But anyway.

• 20:02Speaker 05

  But Ken Miles was way out there and they told him to slow the car down so that they could have.

• 20:06Doug DeMuro?

  So as a result, the cars finish like this. They're six feet apart, you know, and the, because that was intentional. They were, they were 10 laps ahead of Ferrari. It didn't matter. So cars finish, uh, one, two, they, they, they finished, they take the picture, 1966, the whole thing. Well, it turns out that because it's, it's a race of time and distance. And because Bruce McLaren's car started 80 feet back, but they finished eight feet apart.

• 20:32Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 20:33Doug DeMuro?

  Technically, Bruce McLaren had driven a longer distance, and so he was technically the winner of the race. As opposed to Ken Miles driving the car that was actually winning, and technically, he wasn't given the win. So even though Bruce McLaren is in the board as the winner, there is no one who thinks that. No one.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  We follow rules in this house.

• 20:54Doug DeMuro?

  No one had heard of the rule before that. And they're like, oh yeah, this is the rule all of a sudden.

• 20:59Speaker 05

  Which is why, although it's called Ford versus Ferrari, it really is the Ken Miles story in our minds.

• 21:04Doug DeMuro?

  Now, 68, 69 were the big years. That's when the Heritage Car won.

• 21:09Doug DeMuro?

  Camillo Pardo. Okay, let's move on to the next.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Sorry, just kicking through our names now.

• 21:14Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't anything. All right.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  I want to talk about this.

• 21:16Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  What BS rendering is this?

• 21:19Speaker 04

  It's not a rendering, probably.

• 21:21Doug DeMuro?

  This is the Mitsuka. You think this is not a rendering?

• 21:24Speaker 05

  I've seen these Cobblestones before, you know, they're off.

• 21:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's Photoshop.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Cadillac with these floor mats. It's Photoshop. That's maybe different than rendering. Uh, this is Mitsuka LA1. It is Mitsuka, who makes great cars like the Buddy.

• 21:37Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up a picture of the Mitsuka RAV4 thing. Let's start there.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  It's called the Buddy.

• 21:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Mitsuka Buddy. Do you know about this, Kenan?

• 21:43Speaker 05

  Yes, I don't remember how it's about.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  You're close enough.

• 21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Mitsu, Japanese is all, is all phonetic. It's the, what Filippo likes about it.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

• 21:51Doug DeMuro?

  And then Buddy.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Probably close enough.

• 21:54Doug DeMuro?

  So Mitsuka is this company that makes kind of, this is a RAV4 or a Suzuki Across, if you're full circle.

• 22:02Speaker 04

  Retro-inspired.

• 22:04Doug DeMuro?

  And they take it and they make it into look like, like an old Chevy Blazer.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  And like Cadillac SRX.

• 22:09Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, yeah, the back, definitely those are SRX chilling.

• 22:14Doug DeMuro?

  Which, by the way, were put on the SRX where? Where is the SRX belt?

• 22:18Speaker 04

  I don't.

• 22:19Doug DeMuro?

  Mexico. You're not an SRX enthusiast? Alongside the famous car, the 94X.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  First gen only.

• 22:24Doug DeMuro?

  You only like the first gen? But the 94X?

• 22:26Speaker 04

  It was, it was a V8 wagon.

• 22:27Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, that's Mitsuka.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Okay, so they're, they're now, starting in November of this year, in Japan, there will be for sale this, which is LA1, which is a Mazda Miata, designed to look like a C1 Corvette.

• 22:40Speaker 05

  If you squint at it really hard from far away.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  They do a good job of making it look roughly.

• 22:45Doug DeMuro?

  They never try to make, to actually replica the thing. They just try to do like their take on it. And so like, they're not, it's not intended to really be a C1, but it's intended to have the appearance of.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Homage.

• 22:58Doug DeMuro?

  What, what it would be if it was a modern day take on the C1.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, which in this case. It looks good, to be honest. Compared to most Mitsuka products, it actually looks decent.

• 23:06Doug DeMuro?

  Do you like this better or the Buddy?

• 23:09Speaker 05

  I think I'd rather have the Buddy.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am. Who would?

• 23:11Speaker 05

  But this, it's the rear that doesn't work.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  Look, it's basically a Miata, but they changed every panel, they claim.

• 23:17Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah. Well, the door, that's a Miata door.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  No, but I think it's like a tiny bit tweaked.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, maybe it has some texture because it has a two-tone, but that's a Miata door.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  But here's a clear line from AI right there.

• 23:32Speaker 05

  So basically.

• 23:32Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think they're building this? Why is it on Toyo Open Countries? Aren't those off-road tires?

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Uh, by the way, they also previously made the Rockstar, which was a C2 Corvette, so now, now they've moved that.

• 23:42Doug DeMuro?

  Pull that up. Mitsuka Rockstar. Pull that up. That sounds great.

• 23:47Speaker 05

  They have great names.

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this Buddy, like IRL.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they're around.

• 23:52Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. IRL Buddy. That is so cool.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Man, that's what I'm hoping I see when I go to Japan someday. Imagine.

• 23:58Doug DeMuro?

  It really looks like a RAV4 with the grafted on, like it.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  For that one especially, they left the.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  The wheels.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  The pillars.

• 24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that one's tough.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  They style out the.

• 24:06Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God. This is amazing.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  I know, right?

• 24:09Speaker 05

  This one looks pretty cool.

• 24:10Doug DeMuro?

  I radically prefer the Rockstar to the LA1.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, agreed.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  I think in the community, they agree. This is a.

• 24:18Doug DeMuro?

  On the Mitsuka forums. You know, every, every, every single podcast, someone writes into us and says, if you could import a car under 25 years, what would it be?

• 24:27Speaker 05

  Mitsuka.

• 24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Now I finally have an answer. Mitsuka Rockstar.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  It was made in 2019, if that serves.

• 24:33Speaker 05

  Alpina Z8.

• 24:34Doug DeMuro?

  They look like Z8 wheels.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 24:36Doug DeMuro?

  So now we know that the ND Miata shares the Z8 bolt pattern.

• 24:40Speaker 05

  Right, but one has five.

• 24:41Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, this is on a Mitsuka Rockstar. There's a lot going on. Love it.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  I love Mitsuka.

• 24:47Speaker 05

  Five, but.

• 24:48Doug DeMuro?

  The Miata does have four.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  This one does have four.

• 24:51Doug DeMuro?

  Go back, the Miata's a four-lug car.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  Four, that one has six. So definitely real.

• 24:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you don't appreciate, you don't appreciate the, the effort that went into this.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  Right, Claude, make me, combine a C1 Corvette and an ND Miata.

• 25:07Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, let me ask you this, Kenan. Do you think that once this, once Claude did that and they saw what it looked like, they were like, yeah, this looks good. Let's say we're gonna make it. And then, and then now they're gonna make it actually because they've announced.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  I think Claude made it and then said, are you sure?

• 25:19Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to the C1.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  It looks good. I'm into it.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  I like the, the Rockstar, the C2.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to the one with the, with the Z8, Alpina wheels.

• 25:26Speaker 05

  I'm pretty sure that's vaporware picture too, but at least that's cool.

• 25:29Doug DeMuro?

  You think that's a vaporware picture?

• 25:30Speaker 05

  I kind of think so. It's hard to tell. The resolution is quite poor.

• 25:32Doug DeMuro?

  It definitely can't be the same wheels, because yeah, you're right about that. Look at this. This thing looks pretty cool. You know what this reminds me of is the Marcos Manta Ray. Pull up the Marcos Manta Ray.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  By the way, Toyo Open Country HTs are all seasons. Not all touring.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so this.

• 25:48Doug DeMuro?

  Doesn't this car look like the Marcos Manta Ray? You know what? And now that I'm looking at this, I kind of want a Marcos Manta Ray.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Same.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  Four legs.

• 25:57Doug DeMuro?

  That one, that one looks like all the panels are not quite screwed in properly, but this one.

• 26:01Speaker 05

  I think that's reality.

• 26:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's definitely reality.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  Oh, by the way, it's, it's a Manta on, not the Manta Ray.

• 26:07Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 26:09Speaker 05

  No, it says Manta Ray.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  Uh, Wikipedia calls it the Manta Ray.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  I think that's wrong.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, I'm so sorry. There were two generations. The next generation was a Manta Ray.

• 26:19Doug DeMuro?

  They just added a letter.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  The Manta Ray. Let's call it the Manta Ray. And then the next one, it was plural, Manta Ray's. And then the company went out of business promptly.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Incredible. Uh, all right, should we go back to the news?

• 26:33Speaker 05

  Man, this is off the rails, but.

• 26:34Doug DeMuro?

  What's on, what powertrain is in a Marcos Manta? Oh, it's the old Rover V8 that was in Formula One. Perfect.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  You could choose between the 3.9 or the 4.6.

• 26:42Speaker 05

  Obviously, we only talk about the fucking.

• 26:44Doug DeMuro?

  In the in the Mantara community, the three nine was considered better, but once it was redesigned and the car lost some purity, then everybody became the man array that everybody preferred the larger force.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  That's what it is. Thank you for that correction.

• 26:59Doug DeMuro?

  It gained 40 horsepower from 190 to 230.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  Hey, it's more than the it's more than the Mitsubishi L1.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Barely. Doesn't the Miata have 201?

• 27:08Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you but but don't you assume? No, remember, there's a big engine and a small engine in some markets and most markets are not.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  155 and 181 for the

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  155.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  And we know that's gonna be a 155. For any one, excuse me.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  Although they could probably get 181 through the six lug rear wheels.

• 27:22Speaker 04

  All right, let's keep moving forward.

• 27:24Speaker 05

  Three of the lugs are next to each other.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  This is the biggest news of the week. The 2027 Nissan Rogue Hybrid, excuse me, has been revealed. You'll see these probably everywhere. For one year only for 2026, the Nissan Rogue Hybrid is actually the Mitsubishi Outlander.

• 27:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Rebadged.

• 27:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  The Mitsubishi Outlander, of course, is a re-bodied Rogue.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, right.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  But now the hybrid will go on sale later this year for 27. It's redesigned and it's fundamentally an extended range EV. The motor powers, charges a battery, the battery powers the car.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  Familiar with that.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  They Nissan calls this e-power, if my memory serves, and they've been selling e-power cars in Japan and in Europe for a while. But now it's coming to the US as a redesigned Rogue with a series hybrid.

• 28:08Doug DeMuro?

  And it's big news because this segment is unbelievably strong.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:13Doug DeMuro?

  The CRV Hybrid, the RAV4 Hybrid are both.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  All RAV4s are hybrid.

• 28:18Doug DeMuro?

  You're right, they are now.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:19Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  Some are plug-in.

• 28:21Doug DeMuro?

  But those cars are unbelievably, demand is unbelievably strong. There's an enormous waiting list for these cars in some, I mean, less, it's becoming less of a case. But still, they're, this is of all the segments, some of which are kind of slow, the car industry is a little slow in general right now. The hybrid compact SUV is not. Kia also has a competitor, as does Hyundai. Ford does not.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  No, the the Escape Hybrid's gone, I believe, for 26.

• 28:43Doug DeMuro?

  Where are you, Filippo?

• 28:45Speaker 04

  You got some work to do. Interestingly, there's not a plug-in, by the way, it's just a regular hybrid.

• 28:50Doug DeMuro?

  We don't want to plug it in. The RAV4 can get away with plug-in stuff because rich people buy RAV4s. Ain't no rich people buying this. It's people who want 38 miles per gallon. And you know what? They gonna get it.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 29:00Doug DeMuro?

  Who in your life drives a Nissan Rogue? I assume some, you're from Ohio, I assume there's.

• 29:03Speaker 04

  Somebody's got a.

• 29:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 29:04Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 29:05Speaker 05

  Genuinely, I can't think of anybody in my life who drives a Nissan.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  What are your sisters driving?

• 29:09Speaker 05

  The Subarus.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, they're.

• 29:10Speaker 05

  Well, one lives in New York, so she doesn't need it.

• 29:11Doug DeMuro?

  Do I even have a Forester Hybrid?

• 29:13Speaker 05

  No.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Nobody has a Forester Hybrid.

• 29:15Doug DeMuro?

  They have Outback.

• 29:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, Carlin has an Outback.

• 29:17Doug DeMuro?

  New Outback?

• 29:18Speaker 05

  No, because it's.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  But I, you were supposed to connect those to help her choose a car. Well.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  You know what? I should have done that this week because you have nothing to do. I'll do that after this.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Now I got stuff to do. It is exciting. Nissan's Rogue is a competitive automobile. Just helped my sister-in-law buy a used one, but it needed a redesign, needed a hybrid version for sale in the US, and now they will have one starting later this year.

• 29:38Doug DeMuro?

  And I'll tell you something, it's gonna sell better than the Marcos Manneray.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  Someone does the drive of Nissan in my life, Corey with the R34GTR.

• 29:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  He's got a Nissan Rogue.

• 29:47Speaker 05

  No.

• 29:47Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 29:48Speaker 05

  The only person who drives a Nissan of any form. Yeah.

• 29:51Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I've had three Nissans.

• 29:53Speaker 05

  Have you?

• 29:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:54Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, you.

• 29:55Doug DeMuro?

  I had an R32 Skyline.

• 29:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 29:57Doug DeMuro?

  I had a Cube.

• 29:59Speaker 05

  The Cube.

• 30:00Doug DeMuro?

  And I had an S Carga.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  By the way, your buddy Ryan Lopez drives, it's right there, right around the corner.

• 30:05Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, that's true. But you don't drive it. I've I've seen it moved twice in the time that you've lived here. So driving it's a little.

• 30:12Doug DeMuro?

  One time I saw him on the freeway in it. Phew. That thing, it looks uncomfortable.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Talk about a car you get away from as quickly as possible.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Man, I'm sorry, because that car in my mind just says the drift car. I don't think of it as anything else.

• 30:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right.

• 30:24Speaker 05

  Sorry, Ryan.

• 30:24Doug DeMuro?

  Give us, sorry, you don't have to apologize to Ryan Lopez.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 30:27Doug DeMuro?

  He, he and his drift car are one, and they do not need your validation or your approval.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  All right.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  Thankfully, he has neither.

• 30:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, thankfully.

• 30:39Doug DeMuro?

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• 31:20Doug DeMuro?

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• 32:02Doug DeMuro?

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• 32:44Speaker 05

  Ah, yeah, so this is the rumor. So the Aston Martin Valhalla, a supercar we know and like, you drove one recently. There's allegedly a Spider version is coming of it in November. Now, this was published that this was coming out, and then the story was quickly redacted, so I don't think it was supposed to be.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, it seems likely.

• 33:02Speaker 05

  Purportedly, they're going to build 999 of these worldwide. The company hasn't confirmed that or anything, but it's gonna be powered by the same AMG twin-turbo V8. But of course, it makes sense that one is coming. I am surprised that it's still a million-dollar car. But I'm surprised, like, based on the look, that it's not more. It just seems more extreme to me. When I see it, I assume it's a 2.5.

• 33:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool. I loved it. I loved driving it. I have a suspicion that the production number is probably a total for the coupe and the convertible, is my guess. But we'll see. Nothing is confirmed.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  Nothing is.

• 33:33Doug DeMuro?

  Anything could happen.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  Target top, right?

• 33:36Doug DeMuro?

  It's not a, the article that we have.

• 33:38Speaker 05

  Alleged that's going to have a removable hardtop.

• 33:40Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's annoying.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  That's not really convertible.

• 33:42Doug DeMuro?

  That's not annoying.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Well, it converts from hardtop.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm so sorry that every C8 Corvette is a convertible.

• 33:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  Every Corvette, except for the fixture of coupe SEVA.

• 33:51Doug DeMuro?

  People who buy this are gonna want to push a button and have a.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Where do you think it goes?

• 33:55Doug DeMuro?

  48.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Do you think they designed this spot for the target to go?

• 33:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think it goes in your garage.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  I think it can.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Corvette's more practical.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  Assuming you have nothing else in there, and so you just leave it in the garage and it gets up front, right?

• 34:05Doug DeMuro?

  This car doesn't have any storage?

• 34:06Speaker 05

  None at all. Well, that's great.

• 34:08Doug DeMuro?

  But I I drove one of these and it was, it was wonderful.

• 34:13Speaker 04

  A regular coupe.

• 34:14Doug DeMuro?

  A coupe, as they would say in the UK. Do you remember when Mercedes-Benz for the R129 had that top storage solution where you could hook up a lift to your garage ceiling?

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:27Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember this? Pull up a picture of this.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Does that have a stand?

• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, with a stand. Everybody's got a stand. R129 ceiling roof lift system.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 34:38Doug DeMuro?

  There it is. That's it right there.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  My friend Jeff, his dad had an R129 and had this in the garage.

• 34:44Doug DeMuro?

  This says DIY, but this is an, I think this is the actual hardtop hoist. There were OEs. You could go and buy it. It's still here in the SL Shop parts store.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  For 224 pounds.

• 34:54Doug DeMuro?

  The point was, you would drive in, there it is, unbelievable, you would drive in, and then because the hardtop could not be removed with a, look at this guy.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  He's just doing it.

• 35:03Doug DeMuro?

  He's got a, he's got a electric situation, but he's got a late R129. He's rich.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  He's very rich.

• 35:13Doug DeMuro?

  And then you, the hardtop was hard to remove, so there was a winch and a hoist, and you would pull in, and then you'd.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:18Doug DeMuro?

  And then you could do it with one person, and then it was, it would go up. And do you think that's what they'll do for Valhalla?

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Yeah. Are there any cars currently for sale with a removable hardtop from the factory?

• 35:27Doug DeMuro?

  The C8 Corvette.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  That's Targa.

• 35:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, what do you mean?

• 35:31Speaker 04

  I really, I really, no, no, sorry, sorry. I framed that poorly. That are convertible, that on top of the convertible top also have a removable hardtop.

• 35:39Doug DeMuro?

  So basically you're asking, are there any soft top convertibles available?

• 35:42Speaker 04

  That have a hardtop available. Cause that was common enough. Yeah. That SL was not the only car that had a factory back.

• 35:48Doug DeMuro?

  For a long time. I don't think they still do.

• 35:50Speaker 04

  I don't think so either. Part of it's tops have gone good and so you don't need one.

• 35:54Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Yeah. BMWs did. There were a lot of BMW. Remember E36? Pull up an E36 cab with a removable hardtop. You remember those?

• 36:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I think they look kinda cool.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  They do.

• 36:04Doug DeMuro?

  But then they went to the power hardtop and so it didn't make any sense anymore.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  Right. And then it became incredibly reliable. But yeah, there.

• 36:11Doug DeMuro?

  There it is. S2000 had it up until the very end. So that was through 09 at least. Porsche had it longer than that.

• 36:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. Cause I think 996, maybe they did for 997 too. But I remember 996 for sure.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  I've never seen a 997 one.

• 36:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't remember.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  That was like a clearly a factory one. There's aftermarket supplies for this, but.

• 36:27Doug DeMuro?

  Remember Bauer?

• 36:28Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 36:29Doug DeMuro?

  With all the, type in Bauer E36. You know, this is a car Filippo should own. Bauer, you type in Bauer E36 sedan.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  You know, if he's gonna own.

• 36:38Doug DeMuro?

  This is a car that Filippo should own.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 36:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, look at that.

• 36:40Doug DeMuro?

  That is a car that Filippo should own. Because like, like Filippo, like you worked for this company and like we do weird car stuff and now you're leaving. Don't you think as a send off, you should have a weird car?

• 36:50Speaker 04

  I would love one of these.

• 36:51Doug DeMuro?

  But obviously it's not that expensive to, to purchase. This one has hubcaps.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  I'd love an E36 on hubcaps.

• 36:56Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing like doing a full convertible conversion for an E36 and doing it on the 316i with cloth seats and hubcaps.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  I've always thought that the best looking E36s is the basis models. I've also liked the base model E36, not sold in the US, 316i or whatever was the best looking.

• 37:12Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this, look at this profile. It's bizarre.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:18Doug DeMuro?

  This could be you. What's a guy's taking off? There's a sunroof in the, over the front seat.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  If you find me one, I will consider it.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you have a Bauer E36 sedan, which are all legal to import.

• 37:29Speaker 05

  Do they do the, the compact as well?

• 37:31Doug DeMuro?

  BMW did that OE.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:34Doug DeMuro?

  That, that was an OE option on the car. Um, if you have an E36 Bauer sedan, we are not interested in E30. We are not interested in, in, in anything else. An E21, we only want an E36 sedan. You send Sean a message, S E A N at Cars Bids.com. Filippo will buy it from you. He will pay full market retail.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  It must be within about 50 miles of my home address.

• 37:55Doug DeMuro?

  And also there are no comps. And so what he wants to pay is what a regular E36 costs, plus maybe 500 bucks for your trouble.

• 38:01Speaker 05

  You know, if you go into Detroit a lot, maybe you keep a car there.

• 38:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  So if you live in the Detroit metro area or San Diego, let Filippo know.

• 38:09Doug DeMuro?

  I keep a car here in Detroit. I go, oh yeah, what is it? Oh, it's a, it's a convertible conversion BM, 30 year old.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  It's a very rare, special BMW. With that tonneau cover, like because you just wanna keep it down permanently.

• 38:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have the, you gotta have it look its best.

• 38:25Speaker 05

  Right.

• 38:25Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta come from the.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  The, the fact that it's only over the rear seats is, is a stunning decision.

• 38:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, it, cause otherwise it would be too big. They have to include some sort of structural there. So, but in the front, we saw a picture earlier where in the front seats, Amanda, there's a sunroof that can be, that one, the, the, yeah, the profile picture.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  And there.

• 38:42Doug DeMuro?

  This is good stuff, people.

• 38:44Speaker 04

  Good stuff. Can somebody do that with a current three series?

• 38:46Doug DeMuro?

  No. Uh, is there any more news? I hope not. Cause we have a lot of Filippo to cover. Uh, there's Bentley's for Poland. Okay. Next news story.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  That's all you need to know about it. I agree.

• 38:55Doug DeMuro?

  Next news story.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Look it up.

• 38:57Speaker 05

  It's a bizarre, it's a bizarre story. Uh, but yes, Bentley is making three cars to honor Copernicus because Bentley of Warsaw requested it.

• 39:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Bentley is honoring Copernicus, folks.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  So if you want unique cars and you live in a weird city that happens to have some scientist related to it, you too can request them from them.

• 39:14Doug DeMuro?

  What about Alessandro Volta?

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 39:16Doug DeMuro?

  This is Filippo's dream.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  What, what would that addition be like?

• 39:19Doug DeMuro?

  It, it would, it would, it would be electric.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 39:25Doug DeMuro?

  There's gonna be, they're gonna do an Alessandro Volta version of the Torcal and only sell it in Milan.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  Can I tell you the weird color names for this? So they built one for the earth, one for the sun and one for the moon, right?

• 39:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  The colors are Manuka orange, whatever the hell that means.

• 39:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  The nebula blue for earth. And then for the moon, they got really lazy with the name. Moonstone.

• 39:43Doug DeMuro?

  Moonstone.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  That's what they're called.

• 39:45Doug DeMuro?

  To me, they just look like Bentley's in different colors. All right. Move on to the next one, please. Folks, these aren't available, by the way. They're only available in Warsaw.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  And for one client.

• 39:52Doug DeMuro?

  If you're, if you're listening in this pod in Warsaw, you might have a chance, but if you're not, i- if you're in Krakow, for example.

• 40:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's not happening for you. Uh, okay. What's this? We got a manual transmission lever.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. Apparently Porsche has, has developed similar to Ferrari and an electric manual, uh, transmission. So it's an automatic, but with manual shifting. As you would expect that they do once that barrier is breached. Everybody else will do it.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  Like for our Porsche fans, I rate that this.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  No, nobody cares. It's not real, it's not real yet.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so pumped.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  I'm, I am fine with the Ferrari thing. Everybody's like, it's not a real manual. It's like, I understand, but.

• 40:30Doug DeMuro?

  The number of people who have told me that is insane. It's like, baby girl, the other option is you put it in D.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  The, the crux of it is that it has to feel good. It has to feel like a manual. You know this will because it's Porsche. It will be excellent. The Ferrari, nobody's driven it yet.

• 40:46Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 40:46Speaker 05

  I'll bet it's, I'll bet it feels pretty good.

• 40:49Doug DeMuro?

  They wouldn't make it if it was bad.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I'd like.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  Then again, they.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Then again, they did make the Mondeal. Valeo. They thought that was a good idea.

• 40:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Valeo Mondials.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  Yep. Shout out to the Valeo Mondial owner club. It's eight people.

• 41:02Speaker 04

  All of them I rate.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  I think this is interesting because then in theory, that means they probably could put it in any, you know, automatic or hybrid, any of the cars.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  You mean the Cayenne?

• 41:10Speaker 04

  No, I definitely would do that.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  They could bring that back. We, I mean, they sell well. There's a market for it.

• 41:15Doug DeMuro?

  If it is a manualized PDK, you do have to wonder, are we talking swaps?

• 41:21Speaker 05

  I mean, could, yeah, I would think so.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  Fundamentally, so much of your experience driving a modern automobile is fake. In that like electric power steering, it's sending inputs. It, it has a bunch of computers to tell you how much.

• 41:35Doug DeMuro?

  Which Porsche people have accepted.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Transmission, brakes, a lot of them in modern cars are that.

• 41:39Doug DeMuro?

  I don't accept any of this. I drove here today in a Genesis GV60 Magma. Car was molten with, the car was molten with truth.

• 41:50Doug DeMuro?

  There was no.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Is that what that car's called?

• 41:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing fake. What, molten with truth?

• 41:54Speaker 04

  No, no, just without molten. Is that what the, no, it's lava orange.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's called magma orange. And, and let me tell you something. It, there is no fakeness about that car.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 42:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  That wing is real.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  It has horns. I told my kids it has horns. I said, it doesn't have horns. I'm like, it has horns. Go pull up.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. You press the middle of the steering wheel and horn.

• 42:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, don't.

• 42:13Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you, what do you mean?

• 42:19Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this wing. It's got, do you tell me those aren't horns?

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Oh man, those are horns.

• 42:23Doug DeMuro?

  Horns on this wing. That is a car with horns.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  I love this, by the way.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  I was so excited when Magnum was announced.

• 42:30Doug DeMuro?

  Do you want one?

• 42:32Speaker 04

  No, but I think it's cool.

• 42:34Doug DeMuro?

  I told Filippo off camera, there, there's only, for the first model year, they're only doing 75 of these and they're only selling it in California, New York and New Jersey.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  They know their market.

• 42:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 42:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:44Doug DeMuro?

  New Jersey.

• 42:47Doug DeMuro?

  There's some guy on Reddit who's bragging about how he got one. We're located in New Jersey. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  One of the three options.

• 42:56Doug DeMuro?

  There's probably four dealers.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  They probably decided it wasn't worth limiting it to New York.

• 42:59Doug DeMuro?

  Do you believe that you will never see one of these on the street?

• 43:02Speaker 04

  I saw it on the street yesterday.

• 43:04Doug DeMuro?

  Have you, mine. Have you ever seen an IONIQ 5N?

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Once.

• 43:07Doug DeMuro?

  Once. Same.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  I don't know if I ever have.

• 43:10Doug DeMuro?

  It's a shame.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a shame. The, the, you'll notice. Cause the horns.

• 43:15Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 43:15Speaker 05

  And you'll be in Hoboken.

• 43:16Doug DeMuro?

  So anyway, Porsche's doing a manualized.

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  One of four other metros.

• 43:21Speaker 05

  Big bong, GV60.

• 43:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Porsche's doing manualized PDK, uh, and that'll be an interesting thing if it develops. The, the interesting part about this to me is that Porsche makes actual manuals. Whereas Ferrari, it was a big deal because they don't.

• 43:37Speaker 05

  I wonder if it's in response to that, that they felt the need to just have this patent so that it's ready.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  If you're seeing the patent, the patent was likely filed a substantial amount of time ago. The, the countries take a while, their patent offices take a while to process them and publicize them. Well. It's, it likely was filed a while ago. I'm not surprised that everybody is realizing, hey, we have hybrids. We have, we, are the manuals that we have, aren't capable of putting up with this power or these powertrains. Like BMW said a year ago, they can only go up to 444 horsepower with their manuals. You're developing the next generation. Of course it's gonna be something that you can use.

• 44:09Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. I mean, the fear is that they're gonna replace. That's the fear.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  That's not a fear I have.

• 44:13Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan and.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  It'll happen. That's not, why, why be scared of progress?

• 44:16Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan and I have that fear. Now, the way that, the way that it could be beneficial is if they're able to make this to some sort of electric, electrified drivetrain that they're not able to do with the standard, with a regular manual transmission.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  GTST hybrid will have this at some point.

• 44:27Doug DeMuro?

  And Ferrari can do it and Porsche can do it, then the C8 Corvette can do it. Am I right? Would you drive a manual C8?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  I would, yes.

• 44:36Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Ford man over here talking Chevy. Okay.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  I would drive, I drive all vehicles.

• 44:39Doug DeMuro?

  I drive all vehicles.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  I have them all.

• 44:41Doug DeMuro?

  I got no problem with any of them.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  I'm taking that car home, right?

• 44:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, no. Uh, it's time for the talk car segment. Thank God. There's a lot to cover in the car segment. And I wanna start with this picture.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  Hey, that's me. I'd rather be driving a Ford. This is Doug's Courage GT with me kneeling next to it. And it's a bumper sticker that says, I'd rather be driving a Ford GT and me not knowing what to do about that.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  Thumbs up, man. Two thumbs up.

• 45:05Doug DeMuro?

  Go back. The actual talk cars segment, we got a lot to discuss, uh, today. Filippo, why don't you start?

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Sure. All right. I, we announced last week on this podcast that, that this will be my last podcast. Well, Cars and Bids, I'm taking a job at Ford, which is very exciting.

• 45:19Doug DeMuro?

  He's taking a job at Ford?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, I'll be Director of EV Strategy, kind of helping plan out what Ford invested in, et cetera, which I'm really excited about. There, there have been a ton of really sweet, kind comments and DMs and messages. I, I wanna, I think that sometimes people watch this podcast and see my small role in our content. Or they watch your great reviews or Kenan's awesome videos. And they don't realize that there, there's so much that goes on behind the scenes of Cars and Bids. And so I wanna take a second to appreciate that everybody else on the Cars and Bids team, because making this content requires people like Sean and Nick, but also making the rest of the auction site and having that work and being the place that offers the singularly best support. If you wanna sell your car, if you wanna buy a car, it's like a huge undertaking. And so there's so much more that goes on behind what people see on camera.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Uh, and I think one of the themes that I saw across the comments and Reddit threads and whatnot was kind of this. Like, I think people don't realize how many awesome team members, family members, what would you like me to say?

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Team members is what you're going to say.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  Team members is what I'm going to go with. That are just involved, involved in making Cars and Bids happen. Like, they're such an exceptional team that I'm incredibly proud of. I'm incredibly proud of where we've gone.

• 46:27Doug DeMuro?

  You know, Filippo, that's all great.

• 46:29Speaker 04

  And so I wanted to shout out everybody else.

• 46:32Doug DeMuro?

  Why aren't you leaving?

• 46:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a fair question. For anybody that's worked in a startup, I think, knows that six years at any startup is a really long time. And the team is in a phenomenal place and doesn't need me anymore. It's truly a part of them.

• 46:44Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean, we don't need you anymore?

• 46:46Speaker 04

  That there are smarter, better people out there.

• 46:47Doug DeMuro?

  You think that Dan and Matt Robinson don't need you?

• 46:49Speaker 04

  I think that there are smarter, better people, including Dan and Matt.

• 46:52Doug DeMuro?

  They're like a turtle that's tipped over and is like, no.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  They don't need me in the least. I truly think that after six years, the company is in the best position it's ever been in. Our, every single KPI that we have, all of our financials prove that out. And the team is just, has progressed to a point where I am not, I'm not needed.

• 47:10Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 47:11Speaker 04

  I'm redundant.

• 47:11Doug DeMuro?

  If I get to a point where I'm redundant, but people are still paying me the big bucks, what I would do?

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, you keep the job.

• 47:16Doug DeMuro?

  I would just chill.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  It's just time. It's time to move on to something different.

• 47:21Doug DeMuro?

  Why do you, why do you seek challenge when you could seek calm?

• 47:27Speaker 04

  Never sought calm.

• 47:28Doug DeMuro?

  I know.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  I've had, I've been, I've been off work since last Thursday. I'm unemployed currently and for three more days. And I've had the most productive, like, personal life week in years. It's delightful.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  You can't, so if it had been two weeks?

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Oh, I would have been miserable the second week.

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't play Roller Coaster Tycoon? I would play multiplayer Roller Coaster Tycoon with you dead serious.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  There's multiplayer?

• 47:50Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, but we would figure it out. Maybe it would just be the two of us are gaming next to each other.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  I would do that.

• 47:56Doug DeMuro?

  Bragging about.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  I would get bored about half an hour in.

• 47:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, then we'd throw on a different game.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  And then we'd go clean. Organize a closet, I don't know.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  I truly think that it's a good time to step away from Cars and Bids because the team is in such an exceptional spot.

• 48:10Doug DeMuro?

  But we need you.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  You don't.

• 48:10Doug DeMuro?

  What if I threw you more cash? Did anybody ever make that offer to you?

• 48:15Speaker 04

  No comment.

• 48:16Doug DeMuro?

  Did Dan offer you more cash? I want more cash.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  That's not the point.

• 48:21Doug DeMuro?

  What about Matt Robinson? What about Ryan Lopez?

• 48:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, Ryan Lopez personally offered me cash.

• 48:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, he needs cash. Ryan Lopez is sitting over here trying to replace his Model 3 and Dan's just throwing cash at you left and right? Oh, my God!

• 48:34Speaker 04

  That's not what happened. But regardless, I think when I told Dan, our phenomenal CEO, that I was considering this other opportunity, he's like, no, I get it. Because it's an opportunity that makes sense. I think it's readily abundant to people that know me, that I'm incredibly passionate about the car industry, that six years at a startup, of course, in this caliber is a long time. And that I think I've convinced him that the company is in better position.

• 48:57Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think that there was any part of Dan, when you told him that you were leaving, that was like, yes?

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, probably. There should be. God knows.

• 49:03Doug DeMuro?

  Thank God.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  God knows there should be.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  I don't think anybody feels that.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  No, it's been an incredible six years and the working with this team and all the team members that we have is truly a joy.

• 49:14Doug DeMuro?

  Honestly, you know what it's like? It's like the 49ers.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  In what way?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Do we get our own license plate too?

• 49:21Doug DeMuro?

  We're teams, we're both teams.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Do we get our own license plate?

• 49:24Doug DeMuro?

  They have Steve Young or had him recently. We have Filippo.

• 49:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, we don't anymore. I just want to say that, like, Cars and Bids is an incredible place that has had tremendous success and has seen really, really strong growth and just has these incredible, like, background team that day in and day out is providing exceptional service, building a really great product, creating great content that I think people that are watching the content or the podcast only see a tiny sliver of. But I want to really shout out everybody else.

• 49:52Doug DeMuro?

  I also think, I saw so many comments about, I can't believe Ford's so much a more legit company than Cars and Bids.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah.

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  We started this at zero.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:02Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. You know what companies look for? Is people, especially in your new role, where they're essentially trying to not start at zero, but trying to grow something from small to big. They look for people who have success growing something from small to big.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  And it does turn out that.

• 50:16Doug DeMuro?

  We started this at zero. This company is a lot more than zero now. That is a very difficult thing to do. And a lot of 14-year-olds on the internet don't understand that, but I'm serious. But Filippo does and our team, all of them.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Look, man, you don't want to call people that work with you family that goes down a bad road.

• 50:37Doug DeMuro?

  So why don't we call them what they are? Let's call them employees. You know, Ken and I are sick of this PC crap.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  All right.

• 50:42Doug DeMuro?

  All right?

• 50:43Speaker 04

  Our employees that show up to work only because they get paid are phenomenal. They're excellent.

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  You think they wouldn't? You think if we stopped paying Nick Stafford, he'd be at it?

• 50:51Speaker 05

  He's unemployed and he's here currently.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  That's right. Why am I not?

• 50:56Speaker 05

  You take that up, Sean. Email him at Sean at Cars and Bids.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm incredibly proud of what the team has built. I'm incredibly proud of my role in making that happen.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  It's also, it's a natural, good time to step away.

• 51:09Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's role and the team's role in getting from zero to this point is legit. This company is killing it. We are absolutely in a better place than we've ever been, ever.

• 51:19Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of it is because of you and because of the, your contributions over the years. And it's no joke. And I'm not at all surprised that you would be an attractive candidate for a lot of different jobs.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:31Doug DeMuro?

  And I was, I've been worried for about two years.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 51:34Doug DeMuro?

  And.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  You shouldn't have been.

• 51:37Doug DeMuro?

  Like, a year ago, you came to me, I'm thinking about.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  We don't have to talk about that.

• 51:42Speaker 04

  Some things can stay off the record. That's FYI.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Flowing ad budget on metrics that look great, till the CFO sees them, that's bull spend. And marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, it'll be good for the brand, when leads were slow. Yeah, it wasn't.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Cut the bull spend. LinkedIn lets you target by company, job title, and more. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com/campaign. Terms and conditions apply.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't matter now.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  No, it doesn't matter.

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  Now you're, now you're making electric pickup trucks.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  Anytime you're at a startup, you spend years and years and years being incredibly committed. And then eventually, sometimes something pulls you away. And that is how I would describe it. I think that this role that I came across is one that's exceptionally exciting for me and very much pulled me away from what I consider a highlight of my career and life. Because the past six years really have been at Cars and Bids.

• 52:42Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. That's, that's beautiful. And I appreciate that.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  That's the most emotional thing I've ever seen.

• 52:48Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, really? I am curious. It's going to be such a different role.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  I know.

• 52:52Doug DeMuro?

  You're going to be working for a company with 150,000 employees. Like, it's going to be a really different situation.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  I had to start using Microsoft Teams.

• 52:59Doug DeMuro?

  Microsoft Teams. Like, you're going to be, like, really working for, like, a big boy.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Big boy.

• 53:04Doug DeMuro?

  After having spent your whole career at Little Boys.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. So true.

• 53:08Doug DeMuro?

  And that'll be interesting.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  It'll be, it'll be a shift.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  He's just joined a bigger team. That's all. He's going from Little League to the major league.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  There's a lot of team members now. But I will very much miss being on this podcast and working with these phenomenal 36 people that we employ and pay every, every two weeks, twice a month, technically. I will miss that very, very much, but it's been an incredibly special six years.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  May I say something?

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 53:34Speaker 05

  I have to say from genuinely, it was, it was always a pleasure to work with you. Like, it was so much fun to be able to work with your friends. And like, that was something really special that I think we'll all look back on very fondly.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  I think so too.

• 53:45Speaker 05

  I mean, we're both still here despite not working for the company. But nonetheless, like, it was, it was a tremendous pleasure to get to work with you. Now, you never did figure out when you were a writer of mine how to get auto check. You never figured how to type that correctly.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  I find auto check vehicle history report, which is the correct one with the time. Doesn't matter. I made some errors here and there.

• 54:06Doug DeMuro?

  It is sad. I remember over years, I would come down here to this garage, which we've had for four years, probably. Right? Something like that, three. And I'd come down here and you'd be here and you'd be here and Sean would be here. A couple of years where we all overlapped. And it was pretty cool to all be working in the same place. All of your friends just like chatting. You know, when I worked in an office, they became your friends, but these were like, we were all friends first. And now Kenan's off doing his own thing, Filippo's off working for the man.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  The man.

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  Sean is still here, but God, you got to wonder.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Thank heavens for the Sean.

• 54:42Doug DeMuro?

  How much more can he take?

• 54:44Speaker 04

  How many more emails can he accept?

• 54:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 04

  Let's find out. Sean at Cars and Bids.

• 54:49Doug DeMuro?

  But I want to put it in ways that you will understand.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Oh, gosh.

• 54:53Doug DeMuro?

  Or you'll understand.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 54:55Doug DeMuro?

  So, thank you for adding significant shareholder value.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  My pleasure.

• 54:57Doug DeMuro?

  Wish you the best of luck in future ventures.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  My sincere pleasure.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  So true. Oh, you guarantee you have those exact words said to people when you find them over there.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  Shout out to Nate Gertis, who's one of our editors, who got me a mug that says. Which I really appreciate.

• 55:14Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe you're leaving. Now, the good news is you're not leaving our live. I would actually be a lot more serious about this and a lot more sad and in despair if you were leaving our lives. Filippo and I have dinner multiple times a week. We see each other on the weekends. Same with Kenan. Kenan comes to all the same meals. We all do this. And so, when he left and when you left, it's actually nothing really changed a lot much.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:36Doug DeMuro?

  I will. What would make me really sad is if you ever had to leave.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:40Doug DeMuro?

  Either of you, this town.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. I will really miss having these conversations and engaging with the audience and also working with the team that's quite special. And also, like, I, till last week, regularly messaged our buyers and sellers and, like, provided support and replied to a lot of emails. And I will be sad to be kind of removed from this world.

• 56:00Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 56:01Speaker 04

  But life changes.

• 56:02Doug DeMuro?

  Life, there are seasons in life for everything. And you have a great new job.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:06Doug DeMuro?

  And you deserve to take the success from this job that you've had and that we've had and parlay it into something.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:12Doug DeMuro?

  Also great.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  And hopefully, I'll have a management lease market soon, so.

• 56:15Doug DeMuro?

  Well, as part of this, some of the questions are about that. Should we move on to the questions and skip the market report this week? We have a lot of Filippo. Last week, I asked everybody to send in Filippo-related questions.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Wait, wait. I want to see the next photo.

• 56:29Doug DeMuro?

  Pause, pause. Yeah. Kenan, you see this? This is.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Is that John Cena?

• 56:35Doug DeMuro?

  He was spotted in Seattle-ish, filling up gas in a G-Wagon Cabriolet.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  Twice, apparently.

• 56:43Speaker 05

  Do you think he watches what you do and thinks, because he had a Ford GT as well?

• 56:47Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  He thinks, you know what, Doug, this guy knows.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Was he the buyer of your G-Wagon?

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  No, my G-Wagon went to the opposite corner of the country and is not white. But how about the fact that John Cena's got a convertible G-Wagon? Now, why is he in Seattle filling it up at an Arco? We may never know.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  What are those? Yeah, I mean, the Arco is one of the.

• 57:06Doug DeMuro?

  There was an aftermarket taillight body kit you could get. People have them on the four doors, too. It's heinous.

• 57:11Speaker 05

  Does he live in Washington?

• 57:13Speaker 04

  I thought he lived in Florida.

• 57:14Doug DeMuro?

  He's got wheels on it, too. But regardless, John Cena's out here in a convertible G-Wagon, like every great person.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Does that make you sad that you sold your?

• 57:25Doug DeMuro?

  No. Mine is on a truck to Florida right now, and I couldn't be happier. By the way, when this video goes up.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:31Doug DeMuro?

  Whatever this is, podcast.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Friday.

• 57:33Doug DeMuro?

  My 993 twin turbo will have been sold.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  Does that make you sad?

• 57:37Speaker 04

  It kind of does, because I'm staring at it right now, and I do like your car a lot.

• 57:40Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have any interest in buying it with all your big Ford money?

• 57:44Speaker 04

  At $267,000, I'm out. I did bid, you may have noticed, a couple of times. I was serious about those bids, up to $71,000.

• 57:50Doug DeMuro?

  $71,000 is what you were willing to pay?

• 57:51Speaker 04

  $7993, but yeah.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  I would have rounded.

• 57:54Speaker 05

  Solid.

• 57:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Now, the Ford GT is next. You know, it's funny, because on this podcast, we've, this podcast is the most popular automotive podcast by a wide margin.

• 58:05Speaker 05

  Wide.

• 58:05Doug DeMuro?

  And on this podcast, we've been talking about how I'm selling this car. And when I posted it for sale, a couple of friends, "Oh, I can't believe you're selling it." Suddenly, I know who doesn't listen to the podcast.

• 58:17Speaker 05

  That's right. That's right.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  Yep, the telltale, for sure.

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  And it's true in the comments, too. People are like, "You're selling this already? I can't believe it." It's like, hey, we've been talking about this for months on the pod. I was trying to ease you into it. But now I know that some of my friends don't listen to the podcast, and obviously, they are no longer friends.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Of course not.

• 58:33Doug DeMuro?

  Former friends.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Former friends.

• 58:34Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, are you going to still listen to this podcast?

• 58:36Speaker 04

  I think I have to start listening to the podcast.

• 58:38Doug DeMuro?

  Are you going to listen to it after you depart?

• 58:40Speaker 04

  I think I will have to.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  No way.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Unless you commit to every Wednesday when we have dinner summarizing what was.

• 58:45Doug DeMuro?

  Summarizing the podcast.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  I would pick up that. By the time you're watching wherever you are, this will have ended and we'll know where the final result is, but.

• 58:52Doug DeMuro?

  I am going to be sad to miss this car. I have to admit.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 58:56Doug DeMuro?

  That, for the very first time, once selling a car in years, I mean, 10, 15 years, I'm sitting, I'm having a little bit of seller's remorse.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  Really?

• 59:06Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Already?

• 59:07Doug DeMuro?

  You've been talking, you have a Supra now? Love the Supra, but I do wonder if I should have kept this also.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Do you think the pictures are convincing you a little bit?

• 59:15Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's not the pictures. It's just like, this car is great and.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  It is such a good car.

• 59:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's just amazing to drive. It's amazing to look at. It's so much fun. I will say that the current high bid, $267,000, reminds me that it is time to sell it, because, like, this was a kid. Transport cars, silly to allocate that kind of money to that. Like, it's just silly, but I should, I need to be more in the range of where the Supra is. But, and honestly, even less than that. But, but this is just too much money for that purpose.

• 59:45Doug DeMuro?

  But it's a cool car. It drives so well. I'm never going to have, I'm never going to find another, like, arena-red driver, you know?

• 59:51Speaker 04

  How many miles do you have? $65,000?

• 59:52Doug DeMuro?

  62, 63, something like that. You're not interested in this, Kenan? You don't want to pop in?

• 59:56Speaker 05

  Look, I'm going to get there eventually, and then that'll be that.

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that'll be that.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  At some point. It'll be the end, though.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  Target, though.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  I have a different kind of, can you pull up the super turbo that we have left right now?

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God, this was the other mistake. How annoying. One of the problems when you, when you latch onto a car and then you were like, "I need to have it now," is that you're not patient. And then, this car is literally exactly what I wanted. It is my car to a T, except it has twice the miles.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  And so, obviously, it's going to suffer less money. And given that I'm using it to shovel around kids who are literally eating Doritos in it, it's, it would have been better to buy a one with twice the miles, but unfortunately, it's not what I did.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Can't you just buy this one and sell the one you have? I mean, that's kind of ridiculous.

• 1:00:40Doug DeMuro?

  At this point, the.

• 1:00:42Speaker 05

  Ship is sailed.

• 1:00:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's a lot of work. And I put in, selling these cars has already, buying cars, selling cars has already been so much work. When I left this summer, I had a 22-point list of stuff I had to do. Title this car, ship this car, and I'm down, I have only three, three left.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:00:57Doug DeMuro?

  On my 22-point list.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Well done.

• 1:00:58Doug DeMuro?

  It's all done.

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  That's why I do what I do.

• 1:01:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 05

  That's why I handle this so that people don't have.

• 1:01:02Doug DeMuro?

  I just like, there's just so much that goes into it.

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:01:05Doug DeMuro?

  But Cars and Bids makes it easy.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:01:07Doug DeMuro?

  Check out our merch store.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  Merch.carsandbids.com.

• 1:01:10Doug DeMuro?

  You're going to do this right up until the end.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  Why wouldn't I?

• 1:01:12Doug DeMuro?

  How beautiful.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  Shout out, by the way, to Eric Park, who is responsible for our merch store.

• 1:01:16Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  I'm just going to start naming team members.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  Out team members.

• 1:01:19Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you?

• 1:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got one.

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  Grant.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah. Grant Whitlock, love him.

• 1:01:24Doug DeMuro?

  That the audience didn't ask, but I'm curious about?

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Doug DeMuro?

  You still got some cash in this business?

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  I still have.

• 1:01:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, he's going to promote us forever.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Forever, forever.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  He's an investor.

• 1:01:35Doug DeMuro?

  He's still got a reason to.

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  Also, I want to be clear, besides any financial incentive, I care a lot about this business. I have invested a lot.

• 1:01:44Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think you care more than I do?

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  I, 100%, no doubt.

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  What about Dan?

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  I, Dan, Dan Harmon, who's exceptional, who's our CEO.

• 1:01:54Doug DeMuro?

  We got to have him on this thing.

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think cares a lot about this business, and Dan wants to win and will win, because we're primed to. And he's a phenomenal leader. I care more, yeah. I've invested a lot of my time and energy over the last six-plus years, supporting this, trying to do my best by it. And I have a lot of confidence in doing well.

• 1:02:14Doug DeMuro?

  Given that, that when you pour your energy into something, you, like, really believe in it, like, on a personal level, are you going to buy one of those decals of Calvin peeing on a Chevy logo?

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:02:29Doug DeMuro?

  I do have an old Ford truck that I could put that on.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 05

  He's gonna, he'll do, he's going to make that picture.

• 1:02:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Speaker 05

  Calvin peeing on the Chevy logo.

• 1:02:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'd never be driving a Chevy.

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  I'd never.

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  Or Dodge, or Chrysler Dodge Jeep.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  I've never owned any of their products.

• 1:02:48Doug DeMuro?

  You never owned?

• 1:02:49Speaker 04

  I can think about that.

• 1:02:49Doug DeMuro?

  Chryslers or Chevys, but you had multiple Fords.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  Multiple Fords.

• 1:02:52Doug DeMuro?

  I've always felt that we are a little bit more of a Ford podcast than I want to be.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  I agree. I don't know why or how.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  I've had GMs. I've had Cadillacs.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  You've had Cadillacs.

• 1:03:00Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember when, do you remember when Mitt Romney was running for president and they asked him what his wife, what is, what is, what he drives?

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:03:06Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember this? And his response was, "Well, my wife's got a couple of Cadillacs." And it was, like, used as a great example of how out of touch he was. Which is ironic that now we have Trump, who's just naked about all that stuff.

• 1:03:18Speaker 04

  And obviously, Mitt Romney's favorite food is, as you know.

• 1:03:20Doug DeMuro?

  Dog.

• 1:03:21Speaker 04

  Hot dog.

• 1:03:22Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  No, that is something.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  That is a good reference.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  That is true.

• 1:03:26Speaker 05

  Remember that period of time, yeah.

• 1:03:28Doug DeMuro?

  So, you're still going to love us because you have a financial incentive to.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  No, I will still love us because I care a lot of the business, and I have just an incredible amount of confidence in the team that's running.

• 1:03:35Doug DeMuro?

  And an incredible amount of stock. Did any of my stock go to you?

• 1:03:40Speaker 04

  That's not how any of that works.

• 1:03:41Doug DeMuro?

  If that, if it did, I'm pissed.

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  That's not how any of that works.

• 1:03:44Doug DeMuro?

  Look this up. I got to go on Carta.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:03:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I want to move on to our next Talk Cars thing, and then we, maybe then we go on to the questions and skip the market report.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:03:53Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to get mad about that, because the market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids merch.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  Oh, merch.carsandbids.com, yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  God, it never stops.

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  We're, and you know what? We're telling you who the market report is brought to you by. We're not even gonna do the market. That's how much Filippo wants to run this business.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Can we talk about the V6?

• 1:04:13Doug DeMuro?

  That equity has to be.

• 1:04:14Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, no, I'm so sorry. Ken ends the note on this is all the great cars that we have. Let's do that.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God. It's just him, right? What did Filippo, what do you want to do for your final episode? I want to promote cars and bins at every possible turn.

• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. Why am I not wearing a Carzzy with shirt?

• 1:04:31Doug DeMuro?

  Because you were asked to wear the giraffe. Please make a giraffe sound.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:35Doug DeMuro?

  Ken?

• 1:04:36Speaker 05

  No, that's for you.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think giraffe.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  We do a lot of great cars.

• 1:04:39Speaker 05

  No, they, they.

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  I am.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  Because they eat leaves from trees, which you, you know all that.

• 1:04:46Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Um, then we're gonna move on to the, um, you, Ken, talking about all the cool cars.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, we gotta talk about that.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  Ken, tell us about the cool cars we have.

• 1:04:54Speaker 05

  I was just scrolling through and again, like, you know, we were all, all three of us were there at the very beginning.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:04:59Speaker 05

  Dreaming of having any cars on the side. We started with three.

• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  Uh, but now, I mean, so the Mark IV, you mentioned already, pretty amazing. Garde of Superlitia era.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  Awesome. And another NS Defender, yellow Defender.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  McLaren GTS.

• 1:05:16Doug DeMuro?

  48 Spider.

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  48 Spider. Which, by the way, 375 for a 48 already with days to go. The 48 market is wild.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  People like.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  So is a 450.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  They're amazing. They're reliable. They're like usable, reliable.

• 1:05:28Doug DeMuro?

  They're amazing cars.

• 1:05:29Speaker 05

  Uh, manual boxer Spyder, 14,000 miles on a.

• 1:05:32Doug DeMuro?

  Portofino M.

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  700H Overtrail.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  And Terra.

• 1:05:37Doug DeMuro?

  Gate of all.

• 1:05:38Speaker 05

  355. I mean, they're just like.

• 1:05:40Doug DeMuro?

  My twin Serbki.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  They're just so neat. Like, that lineup alone was what I dreamt of that we would get to.

• 1:05:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  And now, we there.

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  This is there.

• 1:05:49Doug DeMuro?

  Type in SL65, if you will, please.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  I have one of those.

• 1:05:53Doug DeMuro?

  And go to the bottom, the very bottom, the very, very bottom. I remember.

• 1:05:59Speaker 05

  Was it that one that was, uh?

• 1:06:01Doug DeMuro?

  I think it was this one, actually. And I remember when this sold and I was like, this was like, this was six months, eight months in, yeah. And I remember being like, oh, my God, we sold an SL65.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  I scheduled, I think, every single car between sometime in 2021 and when Grant Whitlock took it over from me. Thank heavens for Grant. Uh.

• 1:06:22Doug DeMuro?

  Team member.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  I remember when we were scheduling 10 cars a day and like the, if we had like a BMW M2, that was like, whoa.

• 1:06:29Doug DeMuro?

  The banner car.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  We're gonna have a good day.

• 1:06:31Doug DeMuro?

  Right in the middle.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  Gonna have a good day, beginning or end, actually, but, uh, and now that's like a, just a car.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  The first car I remember being like, whoa, that we had was a 355.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  It was.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  The convertible.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  That I remember that well. No, it was the, no, it was the red drilling.

• 1:06:44Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, it was a coupe. That's right.

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  I was remembering thinking, wow, we have a $75,000 car, a Ferrari, one of my favorite Ferraris on, uh, on Cars and Bids. And in the end, it's like, you know, now, of course, we all should have bought that car because it's a $250,000 car. Um, but it's like, it is remarkable how far, just like when you, you used, oh, is someone gonna do the breakdown every year at the end of the year?

• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  We used to do that. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  Cause like, we've sold so many Porsches, so many 911s, so many Ferraris. It's just like, it's crazy.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  We sell all the good stuff.

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  And I agree with you. It is unbelievable, the situation right now. And that's just a normal week. We have amazing cars.

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Doug DeMuro?

  There are also amazing cars down below in the non-featured cars.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  It keeps going.

• 1:07:22Doug DeMuro?

  We got a Rat Rod, we got a manual one-owner CRV.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 1:07:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's deep U.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Doug DeMuro?

  We got a Bauer E36 sedan.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  Do we?

• 1:07:29Doug DeMuro?

  What would happen if we did?

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Depends, is it within 50 miles of my home address or not?

• 1:07:34Doug DeMuro?

  We got a one-owner Dug Buster Lumina, we got a Chrysler TC. The good stuff is down below, people.

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  There's still Cars and Bids cars, for sure. It's like quirky enthusiasts, interesting cars.

• 1:07:44Doug DeMuro?

  Keep going. I want to see what else we got.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  I love the.

• 1:07:46Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this manual S4 sedan.

• 1:07:48Speaker 05

  I'm just so impressed.

• 1:07:50Doug DeMuro?

  Those sell for nothing now, by the way.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  I know, I know. Well, for.

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  Well, for good reason.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Well, but we also.

• 1:07:55Doug DeMuro?

  The engines blow.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  All good stuff.

• 1:07:57Doug DeMuro?

  Right. But it's, it'd be a good glider.

• 1:08:02Speaker 05

  The coaster.

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  As in you throw it off the cliff or what?

• 1:08:04Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:05Speaker 05

  It's fine, as long as everything's downhill.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  I love, we have such great cars.

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  It's pretty remarkable. So like, I just, I was going through the other days, I was submitting more cars for my business and stuff. And it's like, wow, jeez, there's some good stuff.

• 1:08:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to move on to the questions. I appreciate that. That's true. There is some good stuff. There's a nice Type R, Integra Type R.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to move on to the questions. The questions are all Filippo related.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  Because Filippo is leaving. He's going to Ford. He's going to run the entire EV program.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  That's not accurate.

• 1:08:31Doug DeMuro?

  And within, within 36 months, he's gonna be running the whole company. And then after that.

• 1:08:36Speaker 04

  Watch out, Jim.

• 1:08:36Doug DeMuro?

  He's gonna take over the world.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  Yep. Watch out, world.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't Robert McDeMare do some version of that?

• 1:08:44Doug DeMuro?

  He was at Ford, then he took over the world. I, you gotta look that up. You gotta fact check that. Something, something like that.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  And if you don't know who that is, look it up.

• 1:08:51Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, okay, so, uh, all the questions are Filippo related and you go on YouTube and, uh, if you want to ask us questions for the next pod, you go on YouTube and you, there's some sort of post or something. I don't know. I don't know how it's done, but we've gotten the best questions we've ever gotten. However, I want to be clear about something. All future questions cannot be directed to Filippo.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  I will not answer.

• 1:09:11Doug DeMuro?

  Answer them. He's gonna be in an office in Dearborn, looking out over a, a, a field of Canadian geese.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  I'll actually mostly be at my home, but yeah.

• 1:09:19Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Ken, can you answer some of these for me?

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  No. I mean, I'll help you if needed.

• 1:09:22Doug DeMuro?

  All right. First question from shredding pow. What is the cheapest thing you have ever witnessed from Filippo? Filippo's notoriously cheap. Unbelievable.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  Take it away, Doug.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  I've had real lifestyle inflation and it's problematic for my psyche.

• 1:09:32Doug DeMuro?

  Real lifestyle inflation. Uh, now he, now he skates by on $3 a day.

• 1:09:39Doug DeMuro?

  I, I. Used to be two.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  I would consider myself quite frugal, the slightly.

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  When I knew, when I met Filippo, I remember the story was that Filippo would go grocery store to grocery store, looking for, uh, cheaper apples. And, and it didn't matter if he was at a grocery store. He would say, $3.29 for a bushel. I don't know.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  I don't buy apples.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  $3.29 for a bushel. Let's go. He wouldn't even know that they were cheaper at a grocery store across town. He would go there hoping. And he would get there, $3.79 for a bushel. Yeah, let's try another one. And, and there was not thought paid to the, to the time.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  No, of course there was. My time I valued at a low hourly rate.

• 1:10:15Doug DeMuro?

  I've heard this story from other people, but tell me in your.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  I do admittedly value my time outside of work at a low hourly rate. Still true. It was lower at one point. But different supermarkets have different deals and prices and things that they are good at.

• 1:10:29Doug DeMuro?

  All that's true. And I don't fault you for that.

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  I want the best quality for the cheapest price. And so I will lean towards the cheapest price over best quality, obviously. Uh, and I would go to multiple grocery stores to get the best, the best deals.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  But explain the apple. Did I, the way that I said it, was that correct? You would see the apples and then you would go to a different store in search of different apples.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  Usually I knew the stores. I, I knew where I would get the best deal on that.

• 1:10:51Doug DeMuro?

  So you would go to, one store would be apples, one store would be Cheez-Its, and you'd go to five different stores.

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  Around each other. Only three at the most.

• 1:10:58Speaker 05

  It's unbelievable.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  This is in West Philly.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  Uh, then also true in Baltimore and when we look.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  Man, your rate of being shot while doing this was very high on both of those.

• 1:11:05Doug DeMuro?

  My goodness.

• 1:11:08Doug DeMuro?

  He was spending an enormous amount of time going grocery store to grocery store and he.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  Most of the grocery stores were in like Towson and you're not gonna get shot there.

• 1:11:16Doug DeMuro?

  You would drive to Towson trying to find better deals on apples?

• 1:11:18Speaker 04

  15 minutes where the supermarkets are.

• 1:11:20Speaker 05

  15 minutes?

• 1:11:21Doug DeMuro?

  To get a deal, to get the apples?

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  That's where the supermarkets are.

• 1:11:23Doug DeMuro?

  Listen, I want to be clear because everybody's gonna write in, everybody's gonna write in and be like, oh, I also go to grocery stores for better deals.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, everybody does.

• 1:11:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's not what you did.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  It was just.

• 1:11:32Doug DeMuro?

  You would go apple to apple. You would go multiple stores in search of one apple. Admit it.

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  He literally compared them.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  For additional things, too.

• 1:11:39Speaker 05

  He literally compared them apples to apples.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Different supermarkets have better produce than others. Some have better deals on staples.

• 1:11:48Doug DeMuro?

  Don't purchase staples.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  This is not, to clarify, not literal metal staples.

• 1:11:54Speaker 05

  Oh, staples of your diet.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Jeez.

• 1:11:56Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  A lot of the questions. A lot of America does this because you gotta maximize, stretch your dollars.

• 1:12:02Doug DeMuro?

  Do the apple thing. You're trying to make it seem like it was a, it was, oh, I would go to one grocery store for better deals in general. That, no, I heard that there was a time when you would go store to store for individual items.

• 1:12:15Speaker 04

  That was, that was never quite true for sometimes.

• 1:12:18Speaker 05

  Not quite true.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  You, you gotta stretch your dollars.

• 1:12:22Doug DeMuro?

  But don't you think the act of driving to these places?

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  No, no, no. It was always very smart in my routing.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  You think I'm not thoughtful about this? You, you think I'm not aware about a gas?

• 1:12:32Doug DeMuro?

  Between the grocery store.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  You think I'm not aware about a gallon of gas, gas costs?

• 1:12:35Doug DeMuro?

  He went to Towson and then he would hit every, every, every A and P on the way back from Towson. I don't know what they're called out there. Every Sheetz. What do they have in Maryland? I don't know.

• 1:12:44Speaker 04

  All kinds of grocery stores.

• 1:12:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next question from drunkenhobo8020. Ironically, that's Filippo's boss in his new job.

• 1:12:56Doug DeMuro?

  Question for Filippo. You're gonna pick any Ford from history. Any Ford from history as your company car, what would you pick?

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Sport car.

• 1:13:10Doug DeMuro?

  You mean street car?

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  Dang. Uh, no, the actual answer would be a second gen Focus RS. Not available in the US.

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait.

• 1:13:19Speaker 04

  I love that Focus.

• 1:13:20Doug DeMuro?

  You'd take over a sport car or a street car? Street car was a convertible, sport car was like a little.

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  Oh, it existed, right?

• 1:13:25Doug DeMuro?

  Street. Sport car existed, but the street car was a convertible. Which one do you, did you want?

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  I want the, the sportiest hatchback. It's more practical.

• 1:13:32Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you'd take a, a sport car?

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  Well, it depends where my offices are. Uh, the actual answer, if I can, if I had just given one, would be a Ford GT.

• 1:13:39Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love the Ford.

• 1:13:41Doug DeMuro?

  An old five? You love the Ford GT after all this time?

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  Of course I love the Ford GT. No, I've always admitted it.

• 1:13:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  I've always said that it's the only super car that like interests me.

• 1:13:50Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe this.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  That, that's always been true.

• 1:13:53Doug DeMuro?

  This is incredible. He likes the Ford GT.

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  All that time. Well, no, I knew he liked that car.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  I've always loved that car.

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  He's driven it a couple of times.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have.

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  Uh, like, that was the only one of the cars that he has that you like.

• 1:14:04Speaker 04

  That I care about, yeah.

• 1:14:05Doug DeMuro?

  So you, you would choose a Ford GT in your current scenario because you don't commute?

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:14:12Doug DeMuro?

  But if you were commuting and had to stretch that dollar?

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Second gen Ford Focus RS.

• 1:14:16Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Over the sport car?

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:19Doug DeMuro?

  What about over?

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  More practical.

• 1:14:20Doug DeMuro?

  What about over that ugly Puma?

• 1:14:22Speaker 04

  Uh, every Puma has been a little.

• 1:14:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no. Look at that.

• 1:14:26Speaker 05

  You ever seen one of these in?

• 1:14:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  I have to, it's not in a long, long time.

• 1:14:30Doug DeMuro?

  The late 90s Puma.

• 1:14:31Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, no, including over that. This is a great, we never grabbed this gen Focus here. We had a facelift that was atrocious, if we're being honest.

• 1:14:38Doug DeMuro?

  It was atrocious.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  And this car was so good. I thought the regular one looked great. And then the, the RS was special.

• 1:14:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, can I make some other suggestions?

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, please.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  Escort Cosworth.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  No, I'm not interested.

• 1:14:50Doug DeMuro?

  RS200.

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  I'll take this.

• 1:14:52Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, but you're taking the Ford GT?

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, but like, if I needed, if I had, if I had got a two car.

• 1:14:56Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think, don't you think you would rather have the one that was sold here because it has CarPlay and you can service it at a dealership? Okay. Uh, GTD?

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  GT90?

• 1:15:05Doug DeMuro?

  60s Mustang.

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  Then good.

• 1:15:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Bronco DR.

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, a little, a little much for me personally.

• 1:15:14Doug DeMuro?

  Believe you know what that is. You've been studying up.

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  It's, no, everybody knows a Bronco DR. It's like.

• 1:15:17Doug DeMuro?

  He does. I wouldn't have accepted. I, I drove one once.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  Um, Explorer Hybrid, maybe.

• 1:15:26Doug DeMuro?

  What about Mazda Navajo?

• 1:15:28Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 1:15:30Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda B 2300.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:15:32Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda B 3000.

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  I'm also good without a Ranger.

• 1:15:36Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda B 4000.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  Don't think they've ever sold here.

• 1:15:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what do you mean? Yeah. They did all three of those.

• 1:15:41Speaker 04

  Three, four thousand?

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta brush up on your Ford knowledge. They're gonna ask you this day one.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  Why did I think that the V6 was gonna be on there?

• 1:15:47Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna, they're gonna get really into the.

• 1:15:50Speaker 05

  Felipe, we realize we've hired you, but there's some serious questions we have to ask.

• 1:15:52Speaker 04

  No, but I, I do have to say, shout out, I, I logged on to our, our Ford Teams thing to get everything to set up. And a few people that, that I won't work with directly had messaged me, congratulations, because they heard on the podcast. And one person sent me the current product codes for every single model, and I really appreciated that, and I studied that PDF closely.

• 1:16:09Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  What we got?

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  I don't.

• 1:16:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, we're not allowed to disclose?

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  No, no. It's all for, for, for current models.

• 1:16:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's tough. I had a friend one time who worked for the FBI, wouldn't tell me what he's working on.

• 1:16:19Doug DeMuro?

  Now that's this.

• 1:16:19Speaker 05

  Now that's Felipe.

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Uh, okay, next question from Dr. Jeff King, a medical doctor.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Not a PhD.

• 1:16:26Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, dear Felipe, if you had a magic wand and could fix one thing about cars and bids, what would it be?

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  Equity would be worth more.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  I, I have spent a long time in a pretty senior leadership role at the company, and I, so I think I would really be putting myself down with anything.

• 1:16:42Doug DeMuro?

  Why didn't I do this?

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. And there are things in that list, by the way, like that you look back on time spent in a company, like, oh, I wish I had thought of this sooner or done this sooner, but.

• 1:16:52Doug DeMuro?

  There's nothing?

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  Nothing worth sharing.

• 1:16:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing worth sharing, so there is stuff.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Of course. There's always things you look back on, like, I could have done this better. I, I could have done this differently, or these things have.

• 1:17:03Doug DeMuro?

  What would you have done better? I'm curious.

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Would have gone back in time, killed Hitler as a baby? I don't know. Where's the question going?

• 1:17:12Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's about, Dr. Jeff King is asking this question between his, his shifts, between seeing patients, he's asking this question specifically about cars and bids. He's a busy man.

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Doug DeMuro?

  He's, he's got the tongue to press her out. Tell him what the answer is.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  I, I, there's all, I don't think there's anything.

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  Where does it hurt, Felipe? Tell him.

• 1:17:29Speaker 04

  I don't have an answer.

• 1:17:29Doug DeMuro?

  How about a better office?

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  I love our office.

• 1:17:31Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  I looked at other offices last, last year that were strongly considered.

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  One with windows would have been nice.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Considered.

• 1:17:36Speaker 05

  Consider, yeah.

• 1:17:37Speaker 04

  There was one that we had lined up that was an alternative, but, um, we decided that we didn't want to have windows.

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  Would you have fixed the leak in the AC?

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  Windows are too good for morale. We don't want that.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  Why new place with windows? Uh, you wouldn't have fixed the AC unit in here?

• 1:17:50Speaker 04

  The AC unit?

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  You wouldn't have fixed the wiring that's dangling from the ceiling?

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  That, that's not wiring, that is just for our access points.

• 1:17:55Speaker 05

  You wouldn't have cleaned up your desk once or twice?

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  It's clean now.

• 1:18:00Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next question from Just Josh and you. Dear Doug, Felipe doesn't want to send off tribute, but are you buying him a Mazda Tribute?

• 1:18:08Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:18:08Speaker 04

  Are you?

• 1:18:09Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I got more Mazda Tribute miles than anybody in the world.

• 1:18:13Doug DeMuro?

  Can you reveal that you were a part of?

• 1:18:16Speaker 04

  The Mazda Tribute?

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean?

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Were you not part of a focus group?

• 1:18:19Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, but we had bought a Mazda Tribute. Listen, my mom bought a Mazda Tribute new in 2003. We better, we bought it off the, uh, lot. Not the showroom. Here's a question for you, though.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  Were you not part of a focus group for some of the escape?

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  Chrysler sent us a thing, an unnamed brand sent us a thing to like participate in a focus group. This is when I was 15. And my mom was like, well, you've been driving a lot, why don't you go do the focus group? This was at the convention center in Denver. And we went down there and did it. It was, it was a focus group for Jeep. At the time, they were trying to come out with a fabric full-length sunroof, ironically, like you want a E36. For the Liberty.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  They did.

• 1:18:53Doug DeMuro?

  And they did come out with it, but they were, the focus group was like, would you buy it? What would you pay? What would it be cost?

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  Nobody would.

• 1:18:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, people did buy it. They leaked.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  And wasn't it subject to a class action or something?

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  That's my question.

• 1:19:03Doug DeMuro?

  So be careful about that with your Bauer E36. However, here's a question for you.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:19:10Doug DeMuro?

  Gateway Mazda, October 2003 Aurora, Colorado. I still remember it.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:14Doug DeMuro?

  Buying that car. It was one of the three last three tributes left on the lot.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  2003.

• 1:19:20Doug DeMuro?

  What was in the?

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  But the, the, why, how was the last tribute?

• 1:19:23Doug DeMuro?

  Because the old fours were coming out, but it was one of the last. There were, the old fours hadn't come yet, so there were only three left.

• 1:19:27Speaker 04

  Can I tell you a secret?

• 1:19:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  They were identical.

• 1:19:30Doug DeMuro?

  They, it turned out they were. We didn't know.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  Do you remember the old, I think it was Kelley Blue Book, that put out like a book every year that had every single model change?

• 1:19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Very helpful.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  Very helpful. Why does nobody do that anymore?

• 1:19:39Doug DeMuro?

  But Kelley Blue Book probably still does.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they don't like put out a book, and I remember the book. I had the book.

• 1:19:43Doug DeMuro?

  That information is still, is still like in backends everywhere, like dealer software has it and all that.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  You would look and like, what is new in the SL this year? They offered this color.

• 1:19:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:51Speaker 04

  Power windows are now standard on this trim.

• 1:19:53Doug DeMuro?

  It was very helpful.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  Great. You know, it's any AI client, ask them.

• 1:19:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What was in the showroom? When we were signing the papers, I still remember, I was 15.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  Didn't the Mazda 6 come out in 03?

• 1:20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. There was one of those.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  That.

• 1:20:07Doug DeMuro?

  What was the really cool car in the showroom?

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  The RX-8. Was it out? It wasn't out yet. It came out in a four, right? But maybe they had it as an old four model.

• 1:20:16Doug DeMuro?

  But there must have been. It was out for a three. There must have been.

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  That would have been the cool car in the showroom.

• 1:20:20Doug DeMuro?

  But maybe it wasn't, because it maybe it was just, what, what was in my mind?

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  The MPV.

• 1:20:26Doug DeMuro?

  MPVs were definitely there. That was the final gen. No, parked there in the showroom, finished in bright yellow.

• 1:20:34Doug DeMuro?

  The Protege 5.

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. That's a car I learned to drive sick in.

• 1:20:39Doug DeMuro?

  Really? That was a good manual.

• 1:20:41Speaker 04

  It was a great car all around.

• 1:20:43Speaker 05

  So you and I both learned to drive manual in Mazdas?

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, and a Protege 5.

• 1:20:46Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone should.

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  Shout out to Mr. Niebold.

• 1:20:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I love the Mazda Tribute, and my mom's former one, which she bought in 2003 and only sold a couple of years ago, I think it's still out there in Phoenix.

• 1:20:59Speaker 04

  You even Googled it in a while?

• 1:21:00Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it's been a while, but I think it's been hit, and it's like getting serviced at Discount Tire. My mom only ever brought it to Gateway Mazda.

• 1:21:08Doug DeMuro?

  Shout out.

• 1:21:10Speaker 04

  We don't know if they're good or bad, but shout out to them.

• 1:21:14Doug DeMuro?

  Are there, are they still out there? Uh, yeah. Yeah, they're still out there. Shortline Mazda is what it's called now.

• 1:21:21Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:21:22Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Um, next question from Ethan H. 5147. It's a great question. Dear Felipe, sitting on your grandpappy's lap as a small child in Italy.

• 1:21:34Doug DeMuro?

  Grandpappy would tell him stories of the war.

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  Both my great fathers were dead before I was born.

• 1:21:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  Killed in the war.

• 1:21:41Doug DeMuro?

  Did you ever dream?

• 1:21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Did you ever dream of working in the EV department at Ford Motor Company in Detroit, Michigan? It is an interesting concept. You, it's, it's a bit of a circuitous route for Felipe.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  Indeed.

• 1:21:55Doug DeMuro?

  You ever want to work for an automaker?

• 1:21:57Speaker 04

  When I was a kid, I really wanted to be like a mechanic or an engineer, and I think working at an automaker would have been cool, even, even back then.

• 1:22:03Doug DeMuro?

  Is that true? I didn't know that. You wanted to be an engineer or mechanic?

• 1:22:05Speaker 04

  Yep. Instead, I do operations for companies, you know?

• 1:22:08Doug DeMuro?

  Same thing.

• 1:22:09Speaker 05

  No idea you were at any interest in engineering.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to be a mechanic forever.

• 1:22:13Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  I have very few mechanics.

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  It's amazing. In Italy, nothing ever gets done on any of your cars ever.

• 1:22:17Doug DeMuro?

  In Italy, when you grow up, your, your grandest dream is a mechanic. But then he came here, and, and now he's running EVs.

• 1:22:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:22:26Doug DeMuro?

  And pretty soon he's gonna be CEO, and then he's gonna take over the world like back in the, so tell me, Felipe, when you were a child.

• 1:22:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:33Doug DeMuro?

  Did this, at what point did you, at what point did you start thinking about you wanted to work for an automaker? It's during our time here, you realize you love the cars.

• 1:22:43Speaker 04

  Certainly being, I, I've always been interested in cars and loved regular cars more than.

• 1:22:48Doug DeMuro?

  But you weren't considering working for an automaker after college?

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  No. No, I, I, after leaving college, I was very passionate, and I still am, about education policy and, and how school districts are funded and student achievement and stuff like that. Cars and bids came into my life through you.

• 1:23:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Uh, and it's been a phenomenal journey.

• 1:23:04Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think you belong in the car business?

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so. And I think at some point in doing this podcast and talking about cars every week, it's kind of solidified for me that really what I love is talking about and thinking about the car market. Why do people build this? Why do people build that? Where, how does government get into that? Uh, and so this role is really kind of a perfect combination of those things.

• 1:23:21Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think you'll ever go back to the education policy world?

• 1:23:24Speaker 04

  Find out.

• 1:23:25Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean we'll find out? No, you won't. You're going to work for Ford.

• 1:23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Doug DeMuro?

  You think you're gonna go start, you're gonna go work for Bright Futures or then some similarly stupidly named education policy company?

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  It is, for better or worse, quite unlikely that I would ever go back to the education.

• 1:23:37Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. He's done. He gave up on the kids.

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  You know, you know, when I was in high school, I served on our school district's Board of Education. I was a student representative for the Mass Metropolitan School District. Shout out to them.

• 1:23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, what was it like?

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  It was, it was great. Uh, I was very involved in our school district. So maybe as an adult, I will once again be a board member.

• 1:23:55Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:23:56Speaker 04

  I, I would never.

• 1:23:57Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna run for school board? Push the start date back two weeks and I'll give you $100,000. We can do it clandestine.

• 1:24:02Speaker 04

  We're gonna start bribery now.

• 1:24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 1:24:05Doug DeMuro?

  What else?

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  I don't actually have any interest in that.

• 1:24:06Doug DeMuro?

  Why else work for government if you're not gonna get bribed?

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:09Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I, you know, I have a friend who works for a, a Bureau of Standards in California.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:24:13Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not gonna say which one, um, but I told her, why don't you go work for the Bureau of Automotive Repair, and I could bribe you. She said, I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that. I was like, no, I'll say it again.

• 1:24:24Doug DeMuro?

  Question for Filippo. This is a great one from Amari Sarar 2005. It's a two parter and I want both of them answered in depth. First question, what are your best memories of working for Cars and Bits?

• 1:24:34Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry, this question is for Filippino, I can't answer it.

• 1:24:36Doug DeMuro?

  No one figured out how to spell his name at any point, just like Kennen. There are people who wax, there are people who go on and on about their opinions of Kennen and have no clue how to even spell his name.

• 1:24:46Speaker 05

  Makes it even harder to value those.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  Uh, best memories?

• 1:24:51Doug DeMuro?

  Some of them really like you. And they still have never taken the time.

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  My favorite thing is when I have a call of somebody and they go, or someone comes up to me and goes, "Kennen, I'm a huge fan of you."

• 1:25:01Doug DeMuro?

  "Kennen, I'm a huge fan."

• 1:25:02Speaker 05

  It's like, you say it, my name all the time, and his name. It's not Filippino, it's Filippo.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  I accepted that as a common autocorrect, but...

• 1:25:09Speaker 05

  Right, exactly. Mine, not so much. When they're saying it, "Kennen," it's Kennen.

• 1:25:13Speaker 04

  You know what my favorite thing? People will come up to me at an event and say, "Hi, Kennen." And like, they say that they're a big fan, but we don't look that much alike.

• 1:25:22Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think Thomas and James have this problem though? And they're completely different. One of them is British and the other one is Canadian.

• 1:25:27Speaker 04

  Right. Right. They both live in Canada, but yeah. Also, they look very different, sound very different. Have different, are different people.

• 1:25:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. What are your best memories of working for Cars and Bits? I'm curious too.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  There's a lot of great memories.

• 1:25:41Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, name a couple.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  I'm trying to think of what, what...

• 1:25:44Doug DeMuro?

  Trying to think of one.

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  No, no, no, there's a lot of...

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  Just interacting with my team members on a day-to-day basis.

• 1:25:48Doug DeMuro?

  Providing value.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  That's right. Um, I've been... There's a lot of like, very like, powerful memories. I remember the first time we sent out a large email. It was like, to 100,000 people, Thanksgiving of 2020. And it was, or maybe it was when we launched the Safe Search.

• 1:26:04Doug DeMuro?

  Free auctions.

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  It was like, the power, like, Brian Slater, who's our designer, and I would be like, poring over it, making sure that it was all looked perfect, because it's scary to send 100,000 emails. And now when we do that, we're sending 1.3 million of them.

• 1:26:19Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:26:20Speaker 04

  Somehow, and it's scary. I remember our first company in person, in San Diego, in the summer, in August of 2021. You were expecting your first kid, who was born shortly thereafter, if memory serves. We, first time that like, the 10 of us got together in person, and it was very cool. To actually just be together and solving problems and figuring out what to build and figuring out who we were as a company, together.

• 1:26:43Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez came to the next one.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  Ryan Lopez came to the one after that, I think.

• 1:26:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Speaker 04

  Downtown, the day you got your 355.

• 1:26:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:52Speaker 05

  So that was that one.

• 1:26:53Doug DeMuro?

  You were at that one? I don't think he was at the downtown one.

• 1:26:56Speaker 04

  No, that's right.

• 1:26:57Doug DeMuro?

  The 21 one was the, was the one you're talking about.

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, but then we went, we did one downtown, which was also great, one down here.

• 1:27:02Doug DeMuro?

  Those are your best memories.

• 1:27:03Speaker 04

  The one that's, that's solidified. I was looking at a picture of, of sitting on your old patio, because it's only, we didn't have an office.

• 1:27:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 04

  Obviously.

• 1:27:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we did, we were on the patio for a while.

• 1:27:14Speaker 05

  The first two we did.

• 1:27:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:16Doug DeMuro?

  What, um, what about, here's the, the next question is, what were you doing when Cars and Bits was launched?

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  I was working my education policy job.

• 1:27:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, that's what he's asking. What was your job? And, and, so take me through that. We took you away from that job.

• 1:27:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I led kind of data implementations. We were a budgeting and finance software tool. The company was called Alloview.

• 1:27:41Doug DeMuro?

  Since acquired.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  Since acquired, a power tool. Uh, and I was...

• 1:27:46Doug DeMuro?

  Education, technology, policy, finance.

• 1:27:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was working with the larger school districts, so I could connect software, or like, financial systems and do financial analyses and kind of support the school districts. And I stopped supporting school districts.

• 1:27:58Doug DeMuro?

  And then he stopped supporting school districts.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Doug DeMuro?

  Now he doesn't care about the kids.

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  I care a lot about the kids.

• 1:28:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that was Filippo, that's where he came from.

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  That's where I came from.

• 1:28:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question. Um, and then, and then, and then I called you, and at what point did you, at what point did you make the decision? Like, "I'm, I'm gonna take this career 180." You had gone to a good college, you had, you had gone on a prescribed path.

• 1:28:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Doug DeMuro?

  The sociology degree was a decision, but other than that, you had gone on a prescribed path. You were, you were gonna succeed in America.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:28:29Doug DeMuro?

  And then you, you make this like, complete 180.

• 1:28:33Speaker 04

  You go from one startup to another startup and then...

• 1:28:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but one of them was in your desired future.

• 1:28:37Speaker 04

  But I've always loved cars.

• 1:28:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Speaker 04

  And it was, it was a good time to...

• 1:28:41Doug DeMuro?

  I remember I told you you shouldn't do it.

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  You absolutely didn't, yeah. But I decided to do it when I was with you in person.

• 1:28:45Doug DeMuro?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:46Speaker 05

  He is the American dream though. He came to this country not speaking the language, he learned it, he mastered it, and then he went on and like, pursued a career. Now, now he works for the, well, the most American companies there is.

• 1:28:55Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  He, it's right. He came to this country with only the clothes on his back.

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:29:00Doug DeMuro?

  His mom had a 401K.

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  No, not right. It's about stories about Filippo.

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Italian pension from being a schoolteacher.

• 1:29:08Doug DeMuro?

  She had an Italian pension.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  She's not allowed to take it.

• 1:29:10Doug DeMuro?

  She earned 600 lira a week. For God's sake. It was, it was enough to buy staples, but only if they went to seven grocery stores.

• 1:29:20Speaker 04

  600 lira a week, just so you know, would be about the 30 cents.

• 1:29:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's, it wasn't much of a pension. Italy was going through some tough times.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  At the time, she wasn't...

• 1:29:28Doug DeMuro?

  Alessandro Volta was long dead, the heyday was over.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  Uh, I remember the switch from the lira to the euro still lived in Italy.

• 1:29:35Doug DeMuro?

  Same.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  You didn't live in Italy at the time, but yeah.

• 1:29:39Doug DeMuro?

  But I remember hearing about it, Filippo.

• 1:29:41Speaker 04

  It's, lira, if you wanted to actually use them, were in the thousands, because inflation had been a real problem. And the euro came out.

• 1:29:47Doug DeMuro?

  And then the euro came out, and suddenly it was like a dollar's a dollar, baby. Heck, yeah.

• 1:29:51Speaker 05

  Germany and France saved that, yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 04

  A euro's a dollar 30 now, but yeah.

• 1:29:56Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's grandparents never turned in their lira. They were like, "Nope, we don't trust it. We don't trust it."

• 1:30:00Speaker 05

  They still had money with Mussolini on it.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, uh, next question. This is a really good one, uh, for Filippo.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, from ChrisChris233, "Dear Filippo, can we get your top three favorite cities in Wisconsin?"

• 1:30:16Speaker 04

  Oh, sure. Uh, Madison's certainly up there. Uh, Monaca has some really great cross-country skiing, uh, trails, et cetera. And I generally love, like, the northern Wisconsin, Great Lakes, et cetera. Oh, gotta choose a third?

• 1:30:32Doug DeMuro?

  You're not gonna say Milwaukee, make people happy.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  No, no, I'm not gonna say Milwaukee.

• 1:30:35Doug DeMuro?

  Make people happy. What about Wisconsin Dells?

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  Oh, the Dells has, has some good like, amusement parks.

• 1:30:42Doug DeMuro?

  What about Eau Claire?

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  Gravel Flage, I don't have strong feelings about it. I, I would go further north. Uh, where do I want to go for this?

• 1:30:49Doug DeMuro?

  What about, what about Monona?

• 1:30:51Speaker 04

  Monona's fine, it's a suburb of Madison.

• 1:30:54Doug DeMuro?

  What about Shorewood?

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  Shorewood is not really a town. It's, it's technically its own town within Madison, it's where the rich people live.

• 1:31:00Doug DeMuro?

  Maple Bluff?

• 1:31:01Speaker 04

  That's not the right direction for me.

• 1:31:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, really? Damn, wow, that's your, saying some bad stuff to the folks at Maple Bluff.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  We'll, we'll go all the way to, um, uh, why am I blanking on the name of the town?

• 1:31:14Doug DeMuro?

  Kenosha, Green Bay, Beaver Dam, Oshkosh.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 1:31:19Doug DeMuro?

  This has already gone on way...

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  I really blanked on the name of the town where, where the, the Berkey starts. Why am I blanking on this?

• 1:31:25Doug DeMuro?

  Lake Geneva.

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I'm actually good, I don't need the answer to this. Uh, okay, next question.

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  Flowing ad budget on metrics that look great, till the CFO sees them? That's bullspend, and marketers are calling it out, in. Dashboard, confessions.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, "It'll be good for the brand," when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.

• 1:31:48Speaker 00

  Cut the bullspend. LinkedIn lets you target by company, job title, and more. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com/campaign. Terms and conditions apply.

• 1:32:02Doug DeMuro?

  We're just gonna continue?

• 1:32:04Speaker 04

  We're gonna keep going on this. Uh, in Cable, Wisconsin, or sorry, Hayward, Wisconsin, where the Berkhamina ends. Good cross-country ski race, quite long.

• 1:32:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:11Speaker 05

  How long?

• 1:32:12Speaker 04

  50 something kilometers.

• 1:32:13Doug DeMuro?

  Choosing a town's quality based on the length of a cross-country ski race that terminates there. All right, next question.

• 1:32:19Speaker 04

  You ski into the downtown of Hayward?

• 1:32:21Speaker 05

  It's, it's the celebration, right?

• 1:32:23Speaker 04

  And having hot chocolate. Never actually done it.

• 1:32:26Speaker 05

  Right, like, 10 miles crossing the line, that's what Filippo saw, you know?

• 1:32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next question, uh, from some hard-boiled. "Dear Filippo and friends, I ha, I want to take my partner to Italy, who has never been. We love road trips." It's another geography question for you. "If you could plan an Italian road trip, where would you go and in what car?"

• 1:32:44Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, great. Um, it depends on where you're going for what car.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  Yes, definitely.

• 1:32:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you get to pick it all, dude.

• 1:32:50Speaker 05

  If we're going to Lucca, don't need a car.

• 1:32:51Speaker 04

  You could go to Sardinia? The fundamental truth about Italy is that it's not that big a country. And so if you're used to actually traveling distances, you can go anywhere you want, from anywhere you want.

• 1:33:00Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of highways.

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  Whenever we go, we get wild looks when we tell people where we've been. Because we will have done 1,000 or 1,500 miles, which to an Italian is unheard of.

• 1:33:09Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  Driving two hours is, like, telling somebody from Italy that you drove two hours is equivalent to telling somebody from Ohio that they drove for the weekend to California.

• 1:33:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:33:19Speaker 04

  Like, it's like the same look of, "What incredulity." That's not a word.

• 1:33:25Speaker 04

  Uh, I love Northern Italy and like Tuscany and Umbria and driving around there. This past trip in Abruzzo, I thought that was truly incredibly beautiful over to the water. It depends on what you, you gotta, you gotta decide what you want. I love mountains.

• 1:33:42Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo loves mountains.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  The Dolomites are phenomenal. Everywhere in Italy is great. Just go to Italy.

• 1:33:46Doug DeMuro?

  Everywhere in Italy is great?

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  Everywhere north of Rome certainly is.

• 1:33:53Doug DeMuro?

  Well, this Abruzzo is south of Rome.

• 1:33:55Speaker 04

  That's the exception. I'll make all the way down to Puglia.

• 1:33:57Doug DeMuro?

  What about Siena? You like Siena?

• 1:33:58Speaker 04

  Yes, it's beautiful.

• 1:33:59Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 1:34:00Doug DeMuro?

  But what about all the British tourists in the?

• 1:34:02Speaker 04

  You gotta find the right time to go. I also like, if you want to go to a town in Urbriaca, Tuscany, Orvieto, I think it's beautiful. And then Montepulciano, Montalcino and Piensa, like that little trifecta is a really fun part of Italy to be in.

• 1:34:17Speaker 04

  Love around Lake Como, also love around like Cinco Tada area. I don't know. There's so many places you should go.

• 1:34:24Doug DeMuro?

  Many years ago, one time I was in San Remo.

• 1:34:27Speaker 04

  San Remo, yeah.

• 1:34:28Doug DeMuro?

  Ventimiglia.

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, Ventimiglia.

• 1:34:29Doug DeMuro?

  Right by the border there with France.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:31Doug DeMuro?

  And I saw a Delta Integrale Evo 2 driving on the road.

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:34:35Doug DeMuro?

  So maybe you should go there. I know.

• 1:34:38Speaker 04

  Summer?

• 1:34:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, summer.

• 1:34:39Speaker 04

  Where were they from? France?

• 1:34:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, they were Italian. Nobody drives those outside Italy.

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  That's true, but that is a wealthy part of the country in summer.

• 1:34:46Doug DeMuro?

  So you basically say all of Italy is great?

• 1:34:48Speaker 04

  Kind of, yeah. And the road trip, I figure out a bunch of, there's so many. When you go to Italy, especially if you've gone a bunch of times, you can end up discovering that there's all these really cool cities, like small cities, that are truly like 50,000 to 100,000 people at the most, but that are great places to stop. But they're not going to be one of the core recommendations. Like you can go to Ferrara or like on the eastern side of the country, which is like a small city that doesn't show up anywhere, but has a great like biking culture.

• 1:35:18Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:35:18Speaker 04

  And like you can like bike, everybody bikes around town and they have a great little tour. And that's true of so many in their own way, little Italian cities.

• 1:35:24Doug DeMuro?

  The answer is go anywhere in Italy.

• 1:35:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, kind of.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  Answer, yeah, you can go to Italy so many times in your life and enjoy it every single time. You could also do the million, million or 300.

• 1:35:33Doug DeMuro?

  Every time I talk to an American who's ever traveled abroad, I said, Italy is the place you want to go. It's the most beautiful place. They understand it well enough. But it's exotic enough that it feels different. You need to go to Italy. By the way, the car, he's asked about the car. I'll answer that for you. Jaguar XF Sportbrake diesel.

• 1:35:48Speaker 04

  No, you want something small and manual, like a Fiat Panda.

• 1:35:52Doug DeMuro?

  No, you want an XF Sportbrake diesel.

• 1:35:54Speaker 05

  166 Barca.

• 1:35:56Speaker 04

  If you were to drive around. If you were to drive around Abruzzo in an XF Sportbrake, there would be roads where you truly feel like you're an impediment to traffic because they're too narrow, they're too tight. That's not the right car.

• 1:36:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but everybody would respect you because you have an XF Sportbrake. You're the richest guy in town.

• 1:36:12Speaker 04

  Don't go bigger than a Polo.

• 1:36:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I think this guy wants to have fun.

• 1:36:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:36:18Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question, next question from Clippy is Aware. This is a great one. Dude, uh, has Filippo ever gotten mad about something when working for Cars and Bids? If so, what happened? Filippo seems so calm and composed that I can't picture rage being an emotion for him. We've butted heads.

• 1:36:33Speaker 04

  Rage is not an emotion for me, but man, frustration can be.

• 1:36:37Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo and I and all, we all, I mean, it's been six years. We've butted heads. There have been some headbutting incidents. I remember the Ford GT Reserve conversation.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  I don't. That's not one of the ones that remains in my mind.

• 1:36:52Doug DeMuro?

  There have been some incidents where I have said some things to Filippo that I later apologized for and that he has said some things to me that he later had his wife apologize to me for.

• 1:37:03Speaker 04

  That's the point of being there, right? Inevitably, when you are, you bring a bunch of passionate people together about something they're passionate about, there's disagreement. I find that to be a good thing. I think that there's much more progress when there's disagreement.

• 1:37:19Speaker 04

  Have I gotten mad? Mad, probably. I can't think of any case where I've gotten truly angry.

• 1:37:23Doug DeMuro?

  Gone unhinged a couple of times and I'm like, hmm, sure. But so have I, obviously.

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  I don't think I've ever seen you get unhinged. I've seen it.

• 1:37:33Doug DeMuro?

  He's done some stuff that I'm like, this is insane behavior.

• 1:37:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's probably true.

• 1:37:37Doug DeMuro?

  He wasn't angry, but it was like, this is not like a logical response to a situation.

• 1:37:43Speaker 04

  It's probably true.

• 1:37:44Doug DeMuro?

  But that's okay. We have passionate people all in one place. He looks like a giraffe, for God's sake.

• 1:37:50Speaker 04

  I'd imagine a giraffe angry.

• 1:37:54Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I have one last question.

• 1:37:55Speaker 04

  Oh, good.

• 1:37:57Doug DeMuro?

  I have one last question.

• 1:38:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. From Dollar Hit Gamer, Dear Filippo, why become a suit? This is, this is the throwaway question for Filippo. He's done after this question. This is the end. Why become a suit? You seem to have the coolest gig hanging out with friends. And by the way, you should see what he gets paid.

• 1:38:18Doug DeMuro?

  And you get to see the fruits of all your hard work.

• 1:38:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:38:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, we covered this a little bit before, but what about those fruits? I am surprised. Like this is the time that the fruits are fruited.

• 1:38:28Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:38:28Doug DeMuro?

  This would be like if you were some old decrepit farmer and you planted your crops.

• 1:38:36Speaker 04

  Do you ever consider that when you are like this and actively to the side of your microphone, not the best audio?

• 1:38:41Doug DeMuro?

  People can hear, and if they can't, they understand based on body language. It took years for it to fruit.

• 1:38:48Speaker 04

  The hundreds of thousands of people that listen to this podcast.

• 1:38:52Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you listen, you really should watch. You should see what you're missing. We all just sit here.

• 1:39:01Doug DeMuro?

  They overlay stuff sometimes.

• 1:39:04Doug DeMuro?

  The fruits, Filippo. Don't you want to bear fruit?

• 1:39:10Speaker 04

  Wild.

• 1:39:11Speaker 05

  There's a time to reap and a time to sow. You have sown and now.

• 1:39:14Doug DeMuro?

  And or reap? I've never understood which is which, but don't you want to do the good one now?

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I.

• 1:39:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's not sowing, so why do they say reap and sow? It should go sow and reap.

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  Because it sounds better.

• 1:39:26Speaker 04

  The way that you sow and then you eventually you reap the fruits of your sowing.

• 1:39:30Doug DeMuro?

  So you're wrong.

• 1:39:31Speaker 05

  Well, no, you sow first and then you reap.

• 1:39:33Doug DeMuro?

  So you're right, but I'm still my, back to my point. Why do they say reap and sow? It should be sow and reap.

• 1:39:37Speaker 04

  You reap what you sow.

• 1:39:39Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand it.

• 1:39:42Doug DeMuro?

  Plant the crops and then you eat the crops. And you're in the eat the crops phase right now and you get to do it with all of us. Johnny, you're never going to see Johnny again.

• 1:39:49Speaker 04

  I'll hopefully see Johnny again.

• 1:39:50Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you want to sit and eat crops with Johnny?

• 1:39:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I would love to.

• 1:39:56Doug DeMuro?

  So what's going on here? You think there's going to be a Johnny at the next company?

• 1:40:00Speaker 04

  No, there can never be another Johnny. Johnny's unique.

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  It is a great time for Cars and Bids. Sometimes the things that make sense for you personally are slightly different than what, like, it's not what people would expect. And also, the company is in this really phenomenal place. And I have a true profound belief that the skillset that we need now, my skillset is not what's best suited. I think I have a little bit of zero to one.

• 1:40:25Doug DeMuro?

  You're going to a company with 150,000 points.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  I gotta, I gotta change what I'm good at a little bit. But like, for the stage of Cars and Bids.

• 1:40:31Doug DeMuro?

  Zero to one.

• 1:40:32Speaker 04

  New, new vision, new skills, new mindset is going to be what's going to be most helpful for somebody in my role now. And it's a good time to transition because we're in such a good position where we're going to kind of keep both plant, sowing and reaping. Because we can get that, which is great. And I'm excited to watch that as a friend.

• 1:40:50Doug DeMuro?

  Because I don't know which is which, so it's a good thing that we're just doing it all.

• 1:40:53Speaker 04

  Sometimes.

• 1:40:56Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:40:56Doug DeMuro?

  I, okay, I don't disagree with you. I am going to be sad to see you go. Everyone here is going to be sad to see you go.

• 1:41:01Speaker 04

  Appreciate that.

• 1:41:02Doug DeMuro?

  Especially Ryan Lopez.

• 1:41:03Speaker 04

  And I will still see the fruits of the work.

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  Right, as a shareholder.

• 1:41:08Speaker 04

  As, as the biggest Cars and Bids fan.

• 1:41:12Speaker 05

  He's got, and he's got a lot of plants in the ground as a shareholder.

• 1:41:15Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, give us your final parting thoughts to end the podcast, please.

• 1:41:18Speaker 04

  I thank you to all of the many, many people that inexplicably watch this every week and listen to it every week. I'm incredibly, incredibly proud of what the Cars and Bids team has built over the last few years. I'm incredibly proud of my role in doing that, truly. And I'm also just very appreciative of the millions of people that come to the website every week, that watch the content every week. Thank you for being a part of it.

• 1:41:41Speaker 05

  Best podcast we've ever done.

• 1:41:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. Goodbye, everybody.

• 1:41:47Doug DeMuro?

  No, no.

• 1:41:52Speaker 04

  Hi, everybody. I'm Filippo. I'm Italian and pizza.

• 1:42:16Speaker 04

  I am so going to win this challenge. America will win.

• 1:42:29Speaker 04

  Yes! It's nice to be in my home, literally. Italy, ovviamente. Sono nato, sono cresciuto. E adesso sono di nuovo qua, nella piccola Italia. Siete italiani? Vivi, quale preferisci? La Fiat 500 a Bart o la Multipla?

• 1:42:47Speaker 04

  Avete ragione, bravo!

• 1:42:48Doug DeMuro?

  Somehow we actually encountered real Italians and Filippo was speaking to them, proving that he is actually an Italian. Turns out, surprisingly.