Whistleblower Tony Aguilar Responds to Attacks After Exposing Israel’s War Crimes in Gaza

When Lt. Col. Aguilar reported seeing horrifying war crimes in Gaza, neocons attacked his character and his family. He returns to respond. (00:00) Aguilar Responds to the Accusations Against Him (03:46) The Shady Business Practices of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation and UG Solutions (11:32) Aguilar Refutes Claims That He Was Fired (14:06) Is Johnnie Moore a Fraud? (21:49) Aguilar Debunks the Accusations Against Him (43:05) Is This an IDF Operation? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:27Tucker Carlson?

  Colonel, thanks for coming back. I wanted to speak to you at greater length, given that after our interview last week, a barrage of attacks against you, some of them sounded kind of serious, came out. And I wanted to give you an opportunity to respond, but also to clarify some of the points that your former employer is making about you, Johnnie Moore, who runs your organization. The Gazpromantarian Federation was on television this weekend, calling you a liar, suggesting that anyone who criticizes his group is pro Hamas, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm just going to go through some of the claims against you, because you're making some significant statements that will, I think, color people's understanding of what's happening in Gaza.

• 1:11Tucker Carlson?

  So I think it's important to do this.

• 1:34Tucker Carlson?

  So first, I just want to get to your separation from the Army was in January. You left the Army in March, if I'm remembering correctly. What did you do right after you left the US Army after 25 years?

• 1:48Speaker 02

  So right after my departure from the Army, I had no interests in politics or a second career. My interest was being a stay-at-home dad. I applied at Lowe's, and I was doing part-time Lowe's lawn and garden. Really enjoyed it.

• 2:04Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean, Lowe's Lawn and Garden?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  So working at the Lowe's hardware store in the lawn and garden section, you know, giving recommendations on weed eaters, what plants to buy.

• 2:15Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I found it very therapeutic.

• 2:19Tucker Carlson?

  By the way, I love that. I'm not criticizing.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  I was not looking for a life of stress. I was not looking for a life of attention. I have... I have no social media whatsoever. I don't even have LinkedIn for employment purposes. Um, I, my, my family and I enjoy a private life because we, we, we enjoy um, our lives together. I'm not really seeking anyone's approval. I'm not seeking clicks or follows or Instagram likes. Um, I, so yeah, when I first got out of the army, I was, I was keeping things pretty, pretty low key. I'm spending a lot of time with the family. My wife and I are both, um, my wife and I are co-den leaders together in my son's cub,

• 3:04Speaker 02

  cub scout den. So we, we, we co-den lead for my son's, uh, um, uh, boy scout den, which is phenomenal. We love it. And just all the things we're involved in. And after my years in service and the, the places I've been and the, the family moments that I've missed in life, I felt that the rest of my life should be committed to being a good father, raising a good family. Cause I think that's what, that's the next phase in life for me is, is contributing to the next generation. And for me, that's my son and the youth. So it's pretty much, pretty much what I was doing. I was not seeking, seeking excitement.

• 3:47Tucker Carlson?

  So you get out, after graduating West Point, 25 years in the US Army, Green Beret, Lieutenant Colonel is your rank when you get out, if I'm?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  It was, yeah, I was a senior, senior ranking Lieutenant Colonel. Yep.

• 4:00Tucker Carlson?

  And then you wind up working at Lowe's Home and Garden Center.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:05Tucker Carlson?

  Um, and leading your son's Boy Scout troop. It's pretty great. Um, but that's not the picture of an activist, I would say. It's the opposite. So how did you wind up going to Gaza? You, you gave an abbreviated version of the story, but if you could just walk us through exactly how that happened?

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Sure. And, and you know, what I would like to remind people and especially remind Mr. Johnnie Moore is that, you know, I did not, I did not work for GHF. It's very hard to actually find any information about GHF. I work specifically for UG Solutions as a subcontractor for the security component of, of the Greater Gaza Humanitarian Foundation Mechanism.

• 4:45Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. So, uh, GHF is Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. That's the group about which it's very hard to find any real information.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Very difficult.

• 4:54Tucker Carlson?

  That is distributing aid in the Gaza Strip.

• 4:59Tucker Carlson?

  UG Solutions is the security contractor, providing security for them as they do that? Is that correct?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  So the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, by their own accord, they are, they claim to be a nonprofit.

• 5:13Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  GHF is not really a thing in function. They have, again, there's so much that's unknown. It's a very shadowy, shady type of organization. Underneath GHF is a company called Safe Reach Solutions. They're another private security contracting firm. They're what's called a prime contract. They hold, they're the, they're the, they're for profit. Absolutely for profit, money-making business that has, that's basically the contract. Underneath them, they have subcontracts, almost like building a home.

• 5:53Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  You've got the guy that's building the home.

• 5:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  So UG Solutions is a subcontract to the building of this, of this home.

• 6:02Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Specifically providing the armed security component. And no one else, under the Safe Reach Solutions framework, is authorized to be armed. So anytime you hear anything about who may have been shooting, it was either, within Gaza, it's either the Israeli Defense Force or UG Solutions.

• 6:27Tucker Carlson?

  UG Solutions. What is UG Solutions and who owns it and where's it based?

• 6:32Speaker 02

  So I got a phone call, May 13th. They called me and they were asking, you know, we're specifically looking for recently retired or out of service soft veterans to, to join us on this mission to Gaza to do the distribution of humanitarian aid. I thought that perhaps this company was humanitarian aid focused. I could find very little on the company, but I did see that they were based in North Carolina.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  I saw that the founder of the company, his claim to fame was that he was a Green Beret. At one point, he served as a Green Beret in the United States Army. And once he got out, he went into some entrepreneurship with a post-recovery alcohol hangover drink. I don't know what it was called, but it kind of gave me pause to think that where's the expertise? Where's the experience? Where's the... And I thought, okay, maybe he's just a guy...

• 7:36Tucker Carlson?

  He ran an energy drink company?

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Energy drinks slash... It was advertised as the ultimate hangover beverage for the soft operator that has a few many drinks the night before, can get ready for the mission the next day. That was kind of his claim to fame, is that he, even in his biography on the website for this company, he calls himself, self-titled, I'm not calling him this, this is not me saying it, he calls himself a derelict. So it just kind of gave me pause that this is... And I thought, okay, maybe he's just the owner. Sometimes the owners don't necessarily contribute to the mission.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  But it did give me pause to think, how did all of this come together? How did all this come together so quickly in the hiring? And so they called me, and the question that I've had many a time that I often ask myself is, why did you do it then?

• 8:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that was my next question.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why... And I remember I sat, when they called me, I said, "My answer is not yes, my answer is not no. I'd like to discuss it with my wife and just consider the timing and let me get back with you." And when I talked to my wife, I told her, I said, "Going into this full..." Eyes wide open. This is going to be rough. It's probably going to be dangerous because of the amount of just the, what I see is like the lack of experience and planning to this magnitude. This is a seriously complex and seriously complicated mission that requires, you know, people that have deep experience in this. This is, again, as I've said, this is not a weekend job. This is not a, you know, let's just go try this out.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  This requires depth of expertise, which was not present. So I talked to my wife about it. My wife said, well, you know, you do, you have done a lot of that, so you can contribute, you can, you can help, you can be of value. What I really believed in was that if the United States was going to go into Gaza proclaiming that our method is going to replace the UN, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're going to do this now, that I wanted to be a part of what I thought at the time was truly an American ideal, an America, you know, an idea of American exceptionalism, that America will go in

• 10:10Speaker 02

  into the breach, into danger, and will help. That's, that's what I really felt like. I really felt like that America was putting a good foot forward in this to say, like, hey, we, we respect our ally. We don't want to necessarily get involved or criticize the prosecution of the war, but we also realize and recognize a real need to end the starvation. So I, I really felt that being a part of it was something that was in line with American values. I really wanted to be a part of it.

• 10:46Tucker Carlson?

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• 12:12Speaker 02

  I was not fired. Not only was I not fired, and I've brought some points to discuss to kind of lay out the pathway to my eventual termination in terms of me. They call it contract termination. That I terminated my contract in writing. So in terms of contract termination, yes, my contract was terminated. I terminated it in writing.

• 12:39Tucker Carlson?

  You quit?

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Essentially, yes, you could say that. I quit in protest, much like those before me, much like Jake Wood, former director of Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, who stepped down in protest. The second in charge of the entire contract for UD Solutions, who on the 27th of May, with a very scathing email to the leadership, to the CEO, stepped down in protest. One of the operations directors in the higher-level company of Safe Reach Solutions stepped down in protest. I was not the first, and I was not the last. When I did, I quit in a way to where I wanted to stay involved in the mission.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  So I had coordinated to work with Safe Reach Solutions, again, the prime contract, to specifically be working on the humanitarian assistance team, because that would put me in a position to where I could then influence how operations on the sites ran. I would, as the humanitarian assistance team person that had leadership to take charge and to plan accordingly.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  I could be in charge of how rules of engagement, standard operating procedures, distribution process, organization and planning. And I felt that it was better for me to stay and be involved than to walk away and, and just leave, you know, leave no one at the wheel.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  So I did terminate my contract in writing on the 13th of June and provided it to the leadership in writing and

• 14:13Tucker Carlson?

  So just to be absolutely clear, you were not fired?

• 14:16Speaker 02

  I was not fired.

• 14:17Tucker Carlson?

  And, and you, I suppose, have the email resigning?

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Not only do I have the email, you know, I have the email chain. I have the, you know, the, the actual letter itself that I, that I wrote to them. And, you know, you can, you can read it yourself, but this was provided in writing. And what I would continue to ask of

• 14:39Speaker 02

  UG Solutions and Gaza Humanitarian Foundation with Johnnie Moore, who, you know, if he wants to say that, that I am a liar, I think that that's

• 14:48Tucker Carlson?

  He has said that you're a liar.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  He has said that I'm a liar. And that's, that's unfortunate because he doesn't know me. I have opinions about him, but I don't know him either. But to say that I'm a liar, I served our country for 25 years in uniform. And what I would say is that, that America made me. Graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point. I served in the Army for 25 years, answered the call, not just once, twice, three, four times, but 12 to fight and battle for the ideals of this nation. So for him to call me a liar, I think that all veterans and all Americans should take pause and think about who's calling

• 15:30Speaker 02

  me a liar. Someone that has spent his entire life self-serving with PR firms and selling Bibles and whatever else it is he does on the side, you know?

• 15:40Tucker Carlson?

  Who, who is Johnnie Moore? Do you know? Have you met him?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  I have not met him. I, I, I didn't shake his hand and talk to him. I saw him when he came to visit very, very briefly. So what I would call a photo op.

• 15:54Tucker Carlson?

  So he does not work in Gaza?

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely not. He's only, I mean, I think he's only, so what's interesting is that this entire time that this operation's been going on now for, you know, operating since the 26th of May till now, so breaking 70 days. He's only been there one time for a photo op. I find it appalling.

• 16:16Tucker Carlson?

  He doesn't work out of Gaza?

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 16:19Tucker Carlson?

  Now, I should say, we put in three interview requests for Johnnie Moore.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  He's not even in Israel.

• 16:25Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, so how is he running the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  From, uh, from his

• 16:33Speaker 02

  flat in Virginia, I guess. I don't know. I don't, I don't know where he lives, but I know that he's, he is, he is not in Israel. He is not in Gaza. He does, he doesn't have an act, so it's, what it feels like to me is that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is a side project resume item for Mr. Johnnie Moore. It's not something that he's dedicated to, and it's not something that he has the expertise and the acumen to understand how to run.

• 17:09Tucker Carlson?

  Does he have any background in distributing humanitarian relief that you know of?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  No, and what's important to understand is that

• 17:17Speaker 02

  going with a missionary organization to somewhere and, and, and distributing some meals or providing, you know, religious support, that, that isn't humanitarian assistance. Humanitarian assistance is an operation. It's a very

• 17:33Tucker Carlson?

  Keeping two million people from starving to death is different from?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  It's not just food. It's water, medical, veterinary services to make sure that we're not, we don't have a rabid animal population.

• 17:44Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  It's, it's so many things that the, that experts within the United Nations that, that are educated, that, that spend their lives to become experts in are very, very, very good at doing. So to think that we can just take that on and do it. Is it's very, it's a very arrogant way of looking at this problem.

• 18:06Tucker Carlson?

  So Johnnie Moore has no background in this. He's not there. Um, I just saw him interviewed on Fox News and he suggested you and everyone else who's criticized the operations of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation are pro Hamas. Are you pro Hamas?

• 18:21Speaker 02

  I am not pro Hamas.

• 18:23Tucker Carlson?

  Um, that's a pretty heavy charge. I mean Hamas is a designated terror organization.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yes, I mean, that is, um, that is a heavy charge to lay on somebody from such a, from, from, from an individual that carries such little weight. Um, so, yeah.

• 18:40Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't sound like the Christian response to criticism to me, but what do I know?

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Well, I would say on his appearance on Fox, you know, in just the short time I've been doing this with no PR firm and no, no polished background, I was a soldier and after I was a soldier, I worked a blue collar job and I, I call myself a husband and a father. I don't call myself a, by any other name. And, um, since this story has broke from Hollywood to Bollywood, polar bears to penguins, people want this story because it's the truth, not because of me, because the world wants to hear the truth for once.

• 19:17Tucker Carlson?

  It's interesting though. I mean, the, the forces against you organized immediately and I mean, they had a press conference attacking you.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  They did.

• 19:25Tucker Carlson?

  During that press conference, which I watched, they didn't respond to a single, not one of the allegations you made about their conduct in Gaza, not one. Instead, it was a litany of attacks on you. So I just want to continue to go through some of them.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 19:36Tucker Carlson?

  To get your response. So the most damaging in, from my perspective by far was the fact, and they showed the Signal messages, that you had written complimentary texts to the management of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. At the time, you now say you were dissatisfied with their conduct. Did you write those texts? And if so, why?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  So those text messages that they had captured out of Signal Snapchats were something called impact statements.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Those from me, those weren't to the leadership of GHF, nor were they to the leadership of Safe Reach Solutions. Those were specifically to the Americans on contract under UG Solutions specifically. That is who I worked for and who I worked for only. The Chief Operations Officer of UG Solutions, who was forward at the time, directed me in writing, I mean, directed me in writing to to daily create these impact statements to include a photo and something positive. At that point, the contractors were really run down.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  We were running 24 to 48 hours. There was very little organization and it was keen that everyone was becoming quickly unmotivated. So I was asked, so I did send out a picture once from one of the days we were there. That was a, that was a nice photo of a boy who was happy. And I think it's as a leader, which I am, though I was not in a direct leader position there in the beginning. I was promoted to one, but leaders don't gripe down. Leaders gripe up. As a leader, did I make my issues and my complaints and my dissatisfaction absolutely known to the leadership directly

• 21:33Speaker 02

  in writing and in verbal? Absolutely. But the contractors that are there that are, that are doing everything they can to the best of their ability with a complete lack of information. And I will also say that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation has set them up for failure with no legal protection. So my position in that was that I want to contribute to the mission and the men.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  And my gripes and my issues are with the leadership.

• 22:04Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  I was directed to do that.

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• 23:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:27Tucker Carlson?

  And the Johnny Moore?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Those are Signal chats.

• 23:29Tucker Carlson?

  Signal chats?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 23:31Tucker Carlson?

  Those were messages of encouragement to your men, not to the leadership of either organization?

• 23:39Speaker 02

  I did not have any authorization or nor did I have the capacity to send anything up and out. I had no contact information other than our Signal chat groups for UG Solutions. I had no communication with anyone above that. There's my communication went to the men. Now, they did go up to GHF from the COO of UG Solutions. He would send them up, but they did not come from me.

• 24:04Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so you were not, so your position is you were not complimenting the conduct of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. You were saying to the guys providing security for this? But I did operation that, you know, they're doing their best. Keep going, guys.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  And for the most part, the, the 277 up to 314 men on contract, and I say men because they all, they all are men. There were no females on the contract, um, no women on the contract, but, so I, I use that term specifically, but, um, the men on the contract, majority are veterans, combat veterans.

• 24:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  And they felt that they were doing the right thing. The lack of leadership and guidance is what has led to where we are now. In fact, not just a lack of guidance, but the guidance of do what the IDF do. So not the lack of guidance, but the, the giving of just completely unethical and immoral guidance. That's not how the United States, we don't, we don't follow other people's lead. We set the standard.

• 25:08Tucker Carlson?

  So that raises the question that I'm going to ask you in just a moment, which is like, who's working for whom here? And where's the money come from? But, but first let me get to one last criticism of you, which was that you weren't even in the field very often. That's what they're claiming.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you know, that's, that's both disappointing and surprising because every photo that they put in that PowerPoint to show different things are pictures that,

• 25:37Speaker 02

  that I took on location. I was on a distribution site in Gaza every day.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  24th of May, mid SDS one, and I brought these for you can see, you can, so you can look at them there.

• 25:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Every single day

• 25:57Speaker 02

  is a photo of me or a photo taken by me that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation then used in their public releases.

• 26:06Tucker Carlson?

  You took all these pictures?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  All of the photos that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation released publicly until the 13th of June were taken by me.

• 26:17Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. Well, I guess that pretty much proves your point, doesn't it?

• 26:19Speaker 02

  I was not only there.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  I was there when others were not. Case in point.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  We had, and you may found this story amusing.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  We had 30 Palestinian volunteers, local workers, so Palestinians that worked with us on the sites. In a lot of the photos, they're the ones that you see with the blue vests. And they were there to work with us to help with communication, to help, you know, they're from the local population, to help with the crowd as much as they could. And they were brought onto the location, but GHF and SRS hadn't budgeted the money to feed them. So for a foundation that's supposed to be feeding people, thus far, they've proven that they

• 27:14Speaker 02

  can't even feed their own employees. So myself and one of the humanitarian team workers who works for SRS, there was nothing else we could do because it was Shabbat and everything was closed in Israel. The only thing open was Domino's Pizza. So we ordered 32 Domino's pizzas.

• 27:34Tucker Carlson?

  From where? There's a Domino's in Gaza?

• 27:36Speaker 02

  In Israel.

• 27:37Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  In the Israeli side. And we went to go pick them up and then with an armored vehicle, with armored personnel, myself and two others, armed, we delivered Domino's Pizza to Security Distribution Site One, so that the local Gazan workers or the local Palestinian workers could eat that night because GHF and SRS had no plan in place to feed our local Palestinian workforce. We delivered them pizza. I would also like to add that we did it in less than 30 minutes.

• 28:10Tucker Carlson?

  I hope they tipped you. So I think to my satisfaction, you've batted down the three main claims they made against you, but those are not the only claims. I don't know if Gaza Humanitarian Foundation or Johnnie Moore is saying this directly, but your family's been attacked extensively.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:29Tucker Carlson?

  Since you told your story. Where's that coming from and what's your reaction to it?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I think that there's a lot of, so, a lot of attacks and/or hate against my service record.

• 28:48Tucker Carlson?

  Were you honorably discharged?

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Not only was I honorably discharged, I was honorably discharged under what's called a 100% combat-related special compensation, which is rare. So in the military, when you retire, there's the VA process, separate process. Everybody can apply to that.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Through the military, through DOD, there's the combat-related special compensation process to where if what you've endured is directly as a result of combat,

• 29:22Speaker 02

  you can have a further special compensation to where not only am I a 100% totally and permanently disabled US Army veteran honorably discharged with honors.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  The Army has also credentialed me with 100% combat-related special compensation, meaning that my injuries and wounds afford me to where none of my income is taxed because of the sacrifice I made for this country.

• 29:51Tucker Carlson?

  And you were commended and awarded a Medal for Braver at least once. So what's the criticism exactly of your service record?

• 30:02Speaker 02

  So what I think is, well, so individuals who think that they know me, who don't, again, all of these people that have attacked my family and I, we find it amusing because they all do it from behind a keyboard, from behind some Twitter handle. No one's come on the record. Here I am, on the record, my name, my reputation, my life. You can find me on the internet. I'm here.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  But people that choose to attack me do it behind a pseudonym or behind their keyboard.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  If America thinks that that, that anybody should trust that, um, I don't think, I don't think most Americans do. And the attacks I've had is that, oh, well, of course, he's never seen anything that brutal before because he, well, he was SF. He never saw combat. He didn't command a special forces company. And what I would like to say to people out there that think otherwise, not only did I command a special forces company in third special forces group, first battalion, I was also the battalion's executive officer and deployed that entire battalion to combat. I was then offered a second command to command the United States Army Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School. So not only did I command and special forces operational combat unit,

• 31:26Speaker 02

  I also commanded the United States Army's SER school at Fort Bragg. So for anybody that wants to say that, well, he commanded here and didn't command that,

• 31:37Speaker 02

  you can, you can FOIA my DD 214 and you can read it.

• 31:41Tucker Carlson?

  I don't, I'm a little confused though. What exactly did you do wrong? Why? And they attacked your marriage, they attacked your wife.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:48Tucker Carlson?

  Your service record. There's no evidence that any of it's true. I've looked into all of it. It's their lies. At least that's my conclusion. But what exactly is your crime? What did you do wrong?

• 32:01Speaker 02

  So people would, you know, the,

• 32:05Speaker 02

  in the United States Army, to make it to the rank of lieutenant colonel, you know, people talk about colonel, general officer. Those are all nominative. Those are like, um, icing on the cake. The, the golden, the, the golden pen, the golden watch, if you will, is O5 lieutenant colonel, command select, battalion command. And I commanded a battalion, an operational battalion that deployed.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  For people to say that, oh, well, he commanded a, a this battalion instead of that battalion, from coming from people that have never commanded, these individuals that, that bash me online, never held a command in their entire lives.

• 32:44Tucker Carlson?

  But why are they bashing you in the first place? I don't understand. So here's the story you just told. You get out a long lifetime, 25 years, distinguished career, highest level, and then you work at Lowe's Home and Garden Center and run a Cub Scout troop. And then you decide you're going to go over and try and pass out food to starving people. And then you decide what they're doing is immoral and you say so. I mean, those all seem like the right thing to do. I don't really know where's your crime exactly? Is you criticize the behavior of a company that's serving a foreign government? And that makes you a criminal? Or like, why are you being attacked? I don't really get it.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  I, I think that the,

• 33:30Speaker 02

  the criticism of something that is very lucrative when it comes to money. So I would portend, although I have no proof because I have no way of knowing this. I don't even, I don't even know. I haven't even, I haven't even seen the posts myself. And to be quite honest, they're, they're clowns. Then my family members have looked at them and they're all under, I think one guy calls himself Green Beret Nap Time. Oh yeah, I'm, I'm really going to lose sleep over what that guy thinks of me.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  So the, uh, it,

• 34:03Speaker 02

  part of it is ignorance. People who haven't been there think they know because of what they heard from their buddies, who also haven't been there. To the men that are there, mark my words, because I have lived it.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  When they come home

• 34:22Speaker 02

  and the adrenaline wears off and the $1,380 a day stops

• 34:29Speaker 02

  and life goes back to normal and you have to look at your children and you have to look at your wife and you have to look at yourself in the mirror, it's going to come to you. And when that day comes, you're gonna want to tell the truth. I've seen it. I was on site with these men where they see things and they're like, "What are we doing? That's not right. That shouldn't be." And they, they, it's easy to ignore it when you're in Gaza, where seemingly people don't care, where you can report 30 deaths outside of a distribution site and have Johnnie Moore say it didn't happen and get away with it. It's, it's criminal.

• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  Well, here's a story you probably haven't heard a lot about. The Chinese mafia is exploiting rural America to create a drug empire. This is not available on cable news. The network's not telling you about this, but it's totally real. Communist affiliated drug gangs destroying parts of the United States, the parts that Washington ignores, to sell drugs, laundering money and building a black market network inside this country's most beautiful but least served areas. We've got a brand new documentary on this. It's called High Crimes: The Chinese Mafia Takeover of Rural America. It's available now on TuckerCarlson.com. It's excellent. The purchase of churches and schools to aid the operation,

• 35:53Tucker Carlson?

  the jerry rigging of power boxes to steal electricity, foreign pesticides, collusion with the Mexican cartels. It's, it's unbelievable. By the way, one of the drug houses is like walking distance from my house. I didn't know that. It's a layered and fascinating story. Head to TuckerCarlson.com to watch now. We think you'll love it.

• 36:15Tucker Carlson?

  Johnnie Moore has said it didn't happen?

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Johnnie Moore has seemed to deflect every instance of, and again, what I find interesting is that the people that are coming out and speaking to the atrocities aren't Hamas doctors, surgeons, Americans.

• 36:32Tucker Carlson?

  Johnnie Moore says they're pro Hamas.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, any, anybody, anybody that, that, that has anything...

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Critical to say of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation automatically becomes labeled by Mr. Johnnie Moore as Hamas, and that is dangerous. This is not the 1950s, where, you know, I'm a patriotic American.

• 36:56Tucker Carlson?

  Well, didn't you spend like decades fighting radical Islam with a rifle?

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Spent decades fighting radical Islam from grassroots to long entrenched radical Islam in the Moral Islamic Liberation Front in Southeast Asia. Even, you know, new radical Islam in the Middle East is a different flavor than the old entrenched grassroots radical Islam in Southeast Asia, and I have been a part of both.

• 37:18Tucker Carlson?

  So how does it feel to be written off as a Hamas supporter?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Me?

• 37:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  If it came from anybody that I held to be credible, maybe I would care. But, I mean, who is Johnnie Moore? I think it's, I think yesterday when he was on Fox, it was, it made my heart warm that you could hear outside of the Fox studio, the protesting. In fact, the host said, "We have some people outside exercising their constitutional rights, and yes, continue the protest. Go to his house and protest, because he is lying to the American people." And it's really sad. So if Mr. Johnnie Moore wants to call me Hamas, or call me a name, or say that I don't know what I'm doing, or say that I'm a liar, it

• 38:08Speaker 02

  matters not to me, because the American people know better. Where's, show us your books, Johnny. Show us where the money comes from.

• 38:17Tucker Carlson?

  So what do you know? I know you made it clear that you didn't work for Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, but you worked providing security for them through a couple of different layers. But where does their money come from?

• 38:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. And what's appalling to me is that that exact same question you asked, sir, is the same question that every member of Congress that I spoke to over the last two weeks has asked me.

• 38:41Tucker Carlson?

  They, I mean, you've made the point with, and you did the math on it, that they are not feeding the population of Gaza, despite what they say. And they can't, because they don't have enough distribution centers. They've got three working distribution centers in a country of over 2 million people, so that just doesn't make any sense. But they are bringing in truck, truckloads of food. Who's paying for that? I mean, there's money here, right?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  There's money. There's a lot of it.

• 39:08Tucker Carlson?

  And there's no indication of where it's coming from at all?

• 39:11Speaker 02

  No indication. The only indication anyone has to include, again, not just lonely old pee on me, but Congress. Our United States Congress has no idea where the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation's money comes from, other than the 30 million that came to the State Department last month.

• 39:30Tucker Carlson?

  Who do they work for? Do we know?

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Don't know.

• 39:34Tucker Carlson?

  So, I mean, Gaza's controlled by the Israeli military. In fact, the Prime Minister of Israel just announced 20 minutes ago that, that the Israeli military is now going to occupy all of Gaza. So they, they must work for the IDF. I mean, I can't. Do you think that they do?

• 39:52Speaker 02

  So from, in terms of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at, at that level, that high level, I can't say. I don't, I would think that, that there's probably a higher entity. Now, Safe Reach Solutions, which is the actual contract mechanism, like the actual, the, the execution of the contract, um, does answer to, and the client is the IDF. And that was told directly to me, looking at me in my face by the.

• 40:21Tucker Carlson?

  So they're the contractor that provides security or everything else as well?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Uh, for SRS?

• 40:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  So SRS, one of the subcontractors is UG Solutions for Security. One of the subcontractors is another company called Arkell out of Louisiana. It's very hard to find anything about them. They provide the trucking and the driving. And then there's another company called LMCC underneath SRS that's an Israeli company that provides the construction materials for the sites.

• 40:49Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so Safe Reach Solutions is the contractor that handles like all the details for passing out aid from building the facilities to providing men with guns to protect them.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  SRS is what most people would think GHF would be doing.

• 41:06Tucker Carlson?

  Right, exactly.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 41:08Tucker Carlson?

  So, and they work for the IDF?

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 41:11Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so this is an IDF operation?

• 41:13Speaker 02

  I mean, the way I would describe it is that the United States is providing a humanitarian assistance mechanism that is not providing food nor water nor assistance, that what I would call is an appendage of the Israeli Defense Force. So if you consider the combat operations that have been going on in southern Gaza, in any combat operation, you have you have an offensive force and you have a sustainment force, you have a shaping force. If the active combat, activated combat reserve units in the south are the combat component conducting offensive operations, SRS, thereby Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, I would call shaping operation number one.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Displace the population, move the population, allow for phase two, the ending of Operation Gideon's Chariots, that just ended last night. That started when we got there, like the day after we got into country.

• 42:13Tucker Carlson?

  What was the purpose of that operation?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  To clear the entire central portion of the enclave of Gaza. Yes, from from what's called the Marag Corridor, which runs east to west, just north of the sites, through Rafa, Mawasi, Khan Yunis, Berish, up to the Nasserim Corridor. So, yeah, that so that is that was the objective of Operation Gideon's Chariots, which as of last night came to an end, highly criticized because they didn't accomplish that task entirely. But now they're shifting into the next phase, which from a military perspective...

• 42:52Speaker 02

  If you are trying to absolutely destroy a nation, that's exactly what you would do. You, you conduct wide area security, you conduct offensive operations, you establish control, and then you occupy. And that's what they're doing.

• 43:10Tucker Carlson?

  What's happening in Gaza is often described as a war. And you said you heard and saw small arms fire, mortars, artillery barrages, but they were all coming from the IDF. Did you see counterfire? Were they fighting against an armed enemy? Was it actually a war? Did you ever see any Palestinians committing acts of violence when you were there?

• 43:34Speaker 02

  In all the days that I was there, and again, GHF, who again, their lawyers and their

• 43:43Speaker 02

  press personnel have gone there for some photo shoots. I've been to every site. I've seen the IDF around every location. I've seen the IDF operational graphics and array of their battle forces. Seen it with my own eyes. I have never, in the entire time that I was there, at every site, seen an armed Palestinian.

• 44:04Tucker Carlson?

  Not one?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Not one.

• 44:07Tucker Carlson?

  So the artillery, the mortars, the small arms, I mean, these were, they were not defending themselves?

• 44:19Speaker 02

  No, sir. There was, they, the IDF, you, again, I'd like to clarify in terms of the, the position that the IDF is in, the Israeli Defense Forces, the position that they've been put in, in the south, is untenable, operationally unsound, and they, they shouldn't be to have. Active and I put that on GHF because when the IDF said, here are these sites, we put them in operational combat zones. That's why Jake Wood stepped down. Jake Wood on the 26th of May, day one, cut the ribbon, yellow shop or golden shovel. Here we go. Supposed to give us a big pep talk. He stepped down.

• 45:01Tucker Carlson?

  And who is he exactly?

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Jake Wood was the previous Johnnie Moore, if you will. He was the guy in charge of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation that as soon as this thing kicked off, we're going live. He stepped down and then members-

• 45:14Tucker Carlson?

  Has he ever explained why he stepped down?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Um, I, I have not, I've never met the man. Um, I don't know much about him. Um, other than when we were about to kick the whole thing off, there was going to be this, um, you know, kind of this pep talk, you know, great, you know, go forth and do great things. And then it was, uh, hey, pep talks canceled because he stepped down. It was kind of, it left kind of us, uh, kind of a lot of us just thinking, uh, what is this?

• 45:45Tucker Carlson?

  So this all starts, you were there from the very beginning. There are almost 300 or over 300 American contractors providing security. When you start to see the Israeli military shooting unarmed people, including children, does anyone talk about this at night? Like, I can't believe what we're watching.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yes. And in fact, um, in some of the videos that have been taken that I've taken, and I think it's another interesting story to go down the, you know, how the, the videos got released because UG Solutions released them themselves, which was ironic. But in one of those videos, um, I'm walking and one of the other contractors with me says, it shouldn't be this way. It didn't have to be this way. We didn't need to do this. And what he's talking about is the fact that the, the Palestinian crowd was calm and controlled and they were leaving.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  I didn't want it to get to them. I know, I know. When you're trying to push thousands of people through a very small exit, it doesn't happen quickly. So as they're leaving, UG Solutions personnel, following the lead, that's what the IDF do, spraying with pepper spray, stun grenades, warning shots.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  This contractor, he's walking next to me and he says clearly, it's in the conversation of the video, "Shouldn't be this way. We shouldn't be doing this. It didn't have to be this way." And I said, and I say to him in the beginning, like, hey, you know, because he was, he was one of the leaders of the mobile team. He wasn't in charge on site. So he was just a, he didn't have the authority. But I was like, you did it. He did a very good job of maintaining his composure. And I said, hey, you did a good job. This isn't on you. You know, we did, you did what you could. But people recognize it and people are coming forward. There are a number of, at least close to a dozen now of other contractors that have either come out off the record and some that will soon, that are multiple coming, coming on the record. So

• 47:45Speaker 02

  the Gaza humanitarian foundation and Safe Reach Solutions and UG Solutions, they can, they can bash me, bury me, make fun of me, all they want. Doesn't bother me. Got no, I've got skin in this game, but what they think bothers me not. Others are coming behind me. Is GHF gonna call everybody a liar? Are they gonna call everybody a disgruntled employee? Was I disgruntled?

• 48:11Tucker Carlson?

  Everybody a Hamas supporter?

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Everybody's a Hamas supporter. All of these American veterans that raised their right hand to serve our country in uniform for decades, when Johnnie Moore didn't serve his country a day? He's gonna call us all Hamas? He's gonna call us all liars? We're all disgruntled employees? So put that on me. Put it all on me. I support Hamas. Say it. I, I, I'm a horrible employee. I, I didn't perform. Say, say your worst. Because those that are coming behind me,

• 48:43Speaker 02

  you gonna say that about them too? You can't. And the truth is coming.

• 48:51Tucker Carlson?

  What did you think of the IDF? Did you deal with them when you were there?

• 48:54Speaker 02

  I did. The Israeli Defense Forces in the, that were specifically activated to conduct operations in the south, in Gaza, were reserves.

• 49:07Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Reserves called forth.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Rapidly. So there wasn't a lot of training, almost none. I think they probably got even less training than the UG Solutions guys did before they went in, and that's pretty abhorrent.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Not disciplined, not professional soldiers. It's not, it's not what they do.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Not impressed with their, with their proficiency and performance because granted, as a reserve force that's called up and immediately put into combat, when the United States calls up reserve forces, we put them through an extensive preparation.

• 49:42Tucker Carlson?

  For sure.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Absolutely. They're, you know, because it's not their profession. These soldiers didn't get that, and they were thrown into the fire, thrown into the fire by the Israeli government into a precarious, untenable situation that, that no army should have to deal with. You should not put food distribution sites in an active combat area.

• 50:06Tucker Carlson?

  What did, I mean, were their officers aware of the fact that they were shooting kids?

• 50:12Speaker 02

  I believe that they were, they were all aware, and I, and I think that on the, at the lower level, and it's starting to, it's starting to come out now. There are, there have, every day, there are more and more IDF soldiers that are returning home. Again, as I said, when these contractors come home, and the adrenaline's gone, and you're not living, and you're not in this situation anymore, and you have to look yourself in the mirror, and those things come back to you that, we shouldn't have done that, we shouldn't have allowed that. Same thing that's happening with these IDF soldiers. They're reservists. They're in there for 90 days, they come home, almost like clockwork, as they come out of that, as they come out of the field and they decompress, they have

• 50:54Speaker 02

  to look at themselves in the mirror. When you're in there, and you're in war, and the fog and friction of war, alter your compass, alter your, your azimuth, you go, your moral compass.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  And when you step back into society where there's expectations of civilization and that moral compass straightens up again, there's a lot to answer for.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  It's happening. A lot of the IDF that are there that are serving are coming out and saying like, yes, we were ordered to shoot the children. We were ordered to shoot-

• 51:26Tucker Carlson?

  By their officers.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  By their officers, by their units.

• 51:32Tucker Carlson?

  You mentioned a food distribution site where there were 30 dead bodies?

• 51:37Speaker 02

  That was, it was 20.

• 51:39Tucker Carlson?

  20.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Yes, that was secure distribution site number three on the 16th of July.

• 51:43Tucker Carlson?

  How do you kill 20 people? Was there like a revolt of the people? Do they go after the IDF? Or how does that happen?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  So-

• 51:52Tucker Carlson?

  That's a lot of people.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  I was not physically there. However, what, what GHF put out in their press release was that it was a stampede. It wasn't away from the site. It wasn't near the site. It was on the site. It was smack dab in the middle of the distribution site where, where starving human beings are collecting food. It was a stampede. That stampede killed 20 people. Now, they say that one was stabbed. I've never seen any documentation of that. But 20 were killed.

• 52:25Tucker Carlson?

  So if you fire live ammo, was there live ammo being fired?

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Absolutely. As, quote un, again, the, even the, the lawyer for UG Solutions who spoke against me said that, "Aguilar is a liar. Though our forces may shoot warning shots at their feet and over their heads, we don't shoot at them." Well, "Thank you, Mr. Contract Attorney, for admitting to a war crime on the record. Because shooting at an unarmed population, targeting, shooting at them, shooting in their direction intentionally to control them, is specifically prohibited in the protocols of the Geneva Convention." So, "Thank you, Mr. Attorney, for putting that on the record."

• 53:06Tucker Carlson?

  When people get shot to death or trampled at a distribution site, what happens to the bodies? Does, does Gaza Humanitarian Foundation bury the bodies?

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Oh, no. No. Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, Safe Reach Solutions, UG Solutions, we don't have anything to do with it. The IDF will come in- Collect up the bodies and/or/or the IDF will allow the International Red Cross, Red Crescent to come in and take the bodies, in this case, from Site Number Three to the Al-Nasser Hospital. And what I find interesting in that very instance, that same day, July 16th, 20 people killed on Site Three. GHF even put it in a release, sadly to report that 20 Palestinians or 20 civilians were killed on site. Hamas did it. Hamas started the stampede. But then when the hospitals, when the surgeons in Nasser Hospital said, "We received 30

• 53:59Speaker 02

  dead bodies from," or, excuse me, 20, 20 dead bodies from this site, IDF and GHF said, "They're lying." "You just, you just said that 20 people were killed on your site. Now the doctors are coming forward and saying, 'Yes, we did receive 20 trampled dead bodies.' Now you're saying they didn't?"

• 54:18Tucker Carlson?

  How did Hamas kill, trampled people to death?

• 54:22Speaker 02

  The claim is that on Site Number Three that day, Hamas incited a stampede.

• 54:28Tucker Carlson?

  How?

• 54:29Speaker 02

  That is absolutely ludicrous. Site Number Three, on the 28th of May, Site Number Three had a very similar situation. Site Number Three is, each site's kind of got its own flavor, if you will. Each site's kind of like its own, its own arena. Site Number Three, because it's right in the middle of, between Site Number Two and an IDF base, it's very cannibalized when the foot traffic from the Marag Corridor comes south into the site. It's very congested, it's very tight. The exit is very tight and the exit is also very constrained with debris, just mounds of rubble.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  So when the people are leaving, there's really nowhere for them to go except continuing to be pushed through this small exit. It is the perfect setting for a stampede of human beings. It's if it was created for that. On the 28th of May, Site Number Three.

• 55:31Tucker Carlson?

  Because it's a bottleneck.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  It is a bottleneck, surrounded by razor wire and surrounded by fighting positions where IDF have machine guns.

• 55:38Tucker Carlson?

  And they're firing live rounds.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Firing live rounds. When you hear UG Solutions or anyone talk about a quote unquote "warning shot", there's no such thing as a warning shot.

• 55:50Tucker Carlson?

  I've never heard of that before. What does that mean?

• 55:52Speaker 02

  The United States military doesn't use it because firing a bullet is firing a bullet. Escalation of force would be, for an example, if I was in Baghdad as a combatant, an actual, under Title X authority, under the United States Constitution, fighting as a belligerent in war. I can't just walk up to somebody and be like, "Oh, that looks like Al Qaeda. I'm gonna shoot them." There has to be a threat. And the process of that threat, where unless you are engaged in active combat, you feel a threat, it's typically, you have signage, like, "Hey, don't go past this point," right? Then you shout, "Show," and then you shoot. And when you shoot, you shoot to kill. You're not shooting a warning shot. Warning shot is such a misnomer. It's not a thing. Bullets are bullets.

• 56:37Tucker Carlson?

  Are these 556 rounds?

• 56:39Speaker 02

  They are not only 556 rounds. They are 556 M855 green tipped steel core armor piercing rounds.

• 56:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yep. So what's the lethal distance of a round like that fired flat? Like, how far does it travel?

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Oh, well, considering, like, if I was on an M4 range, you know, I'm shooting at, for qualification, I'm shooting out to 300 meters at the furthest pop-up target.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Maximum, like maximum effective range of with that M4 is out to 500, but out to 800 to 1,000 in terms of where the bullet travels with its velocity.

• 57:19Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, very far.

• 57:21Tucker Carlson?

  So if you're firing thousands of rounds,

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:24Tucker Carlson?

  even if you're firing over people's heads, like where do those bullets go?

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Where are those bullets going?

• 57:28Tucker Carlson?

  So when What's the answer?

• 57:29Speaker 02

  When UG Solutions says, "We fire towards the sea." The sea's a big place. And you know what the sea crashes into? Beach. And you know what's along that beach on the coastal road in Gaza? Hundreds of thousands of civilians. So when UG Solutions says that our men fire into the air or towards the beach, well, thank you again, Mr. Attorney, for just verifying to the world that you are shooting bullets into a crowd of unarmed civilians. Because what lines the entire coast from north to south of the Mediterranean Sea in Gaza? Thousands of human beings.

• 58:09Tucker Carlson?

  Is, have you ever, I mean, you had 12 deployments. So have you ever seen anything like that anywhere else?

• 58:15Speaker 02

  I have never experienced, witnessed, been a part of anything that was that uncontrolled, undisciplined, barbaric, immature, and what I would call just a reckless use reckless endangerment. We are not dealing with, we're not, first of all, UGS contractors in Gaza are not belligerent combatants. We're there on a tourist visa, tourists.

• 58:43Tucker Carlson?

  And you carried a firearm?

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Fully automatic firearm.

• 58:46Tucker Carlson?

  Where'd you get the gun?

• 58:48Speaker 02

  UG Solutions provided them to us from an Israeli company called IWI. It's a very, it's an Israeli company that makes this weapon. All of our weapons, our shotguns, our pistols, our machine guns, our fully automatic rifles, all came from IWI.

• 59:04Tucker Carlson?

  So you land on a tourist visa and they hand you an automatic rifle?

• 59:08Speaker 02

  And we didn't qualify on it either.

• 59:10Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 59:11Speaker 02

  We did not qualify on our weapon system, which was a requirement in the contract, which is why I brought this up as a point because zeroing your weapon, as you know, you calibrate the weapon to you.

• 59:22Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Qualifying is a whole nother stage. Once you zero the weapon and it's calibrated to you, you demonstrate your proficiency. Can I use this? It's even the most elite of military forces zero and qualify on any weapon that they use.

• 59:39Tucker Carlson?

  Immediately?

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Immediately. It's the first thing you do. In fact, the contract itself, the contract even states that we must demonstrate proficiency and qualify on our weapon before we go into Gaza. No one, not one person, no one qualified on their weapon system.

• 59:57Tucker Carlson?

  So they handed you a rifle and...

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  They handed us rifles, pistols and machine guns, of which we didn't qualify on any of them.

• 1:00:07Tucker Carlson?

  Had you operated those specific weapons before?

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I mean, very few people. I mean, maybe there are a couple of guys that are, that are, you know, that are enthusiasts within, you know, that have rifles that may have an IWI rifle. I'd never heard of it. I don't own one, but no.

• 1:00:23Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, these were actually manufactured by IWI?

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Manufactured, not just given to us by IWI. These are IWI rifles made in Israel, right off the...

• 1:00:32Tucker Carlson?

  You'd never operated that kind of rifle before?

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  I would say the majority, very, probably very, very, very, very few, if any, of the contractors had ever operated that weapon. I had never even seen one. I wasn't even aware of it.

• 1:00:45Tucker Carlson?

  They handed it to you?

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Gave it to me. And when I, when they first handed it to me and I looked at it and the options were safe, single, fully automatic, I was like, whoa, this is, uh, this is serious. Not even the United States Army Infantry gives...

• 1:00:59Tucker Carlson?

  No, I know.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Weapons that are fully automatic.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  For humanitarian assistance?

• 1:01:05Tucker Carlson?

  Loaded. They give you ammunition as well.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  210 rounds of M855 green tip steel core armor penetrating ammunition.

• 1:01:13Tucker Carlson?

  Why green tip ammo?

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  You know, I really, I really don't, well, again, the Israelis gave us that.

• 1:01:21Tucker Carlson?

  But was there, is there a reason?

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  You wouldn't give someone that type of ammunition in a very closed condensed space like that unless you either had no regard for human life, civilian human life, or you were intentionally trying to kill civilians at distance. It's, when we were given that ammunition, I thought it was absurd. I was like, I thought we were going into Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid and we had a weapon only, only to defend ourselves against an imminent threat of death. Meaning, I don't pull that trigger. Not a warning shot, not a celebratory shot. I do not pull that trigger unless I am directly threatened with the imminent threat of death. So why are you giving me steel core armor penetrating, I wouldn't say armor piercing,

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  but armor penetrating ammunition that can shoot through sand burns like knife, like a hot knife through butter? What are we doing? Well, that's what, that's what the IDF gave us. That's what we're gonna use. I'm like, yeah, but aren't we paying for it? It's part of the contract, right? We're paying for it. Can't we dictate what we buy? Well, this is all they have. And I'm like, that's not true. That's, that's entirely not true.

• 1:02:33Tucker Carlson?

  So you passed out food. Your job was to provide security at sites where they were passing out food, but you have said that they didn't pass out water because it was too expensive. How, how does that work exactly? Is there a lot of water in Gaza? And the food you're passing out requires water to cook it, right? It was like dried beans and corn and stuff?

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of like, uh, your kid turns 16 and they walk outside and you got the big bow on the Pontiac and it's like, happy birthday. And you give them the keys and it's got no gas in it. Real jerk move, right? So to give people food that requires water to cook it and then give them no water. And in order to get to the food, they have to walk eight kilometers and then walk eight kilometers back to their house to cook it. And you give them no water. It's... It's so inhumane and evil that it can only be deliberate.

• 1:03:29Tucker Carlson?

  Is there a lot of water in Gaza?

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  There's none. I mean, other than cisterns from rainwater, remnants of old wells that may be still operating at a very low level, but in terms of municipal-type water, freshwater, tap water, absolutely not.

• 1:03:47Tucker Carlson?

  So how do, I mean, is anyone else bringing water into Gaza?

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:51Tucker Carlson?

  No water?

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  No. That's why if you saw on the news today, just today, and this is not just in Western media, this is in Israeli news, N12, Channel 13, I watch all the Israeli news, breaking news on my phone, I'm just into it now. And the new, where the now-realized danger is that they're critically low and running out of water, which should not surprise anybody. How would they be getting it? We're not, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation isn't providing any.

• 1:04:28Tucker Carlson?

  Um, did you bring this up?

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  We brought this up on the very first day, and not just myself, other contractors, other people that have a conscience that were like, okay, I see this child or this woman breaking into a box of food, and it's all dried goods, no prepared goods, all dried goods that require water to make, that require effort to make. There's no water. And we asked that. We were told, well, the IDF said no to water. Well, who's in charge here? I mean, I thought we were doing the humanitarian aid. Well, we are, but we're not going to push back on it because water would be three times more expensive per truckload than we can bring in, equal to that of three trucks of food, and more food is better than limiting

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  that for water. And I'm like, I think someone that was actually educated in humanitarian assistance and providing humanitarian aid, and someone that was a nutritionist that was well-versed in feeding people, would probably disagree with that. I would disagree with that. Water? In the United States Army, if you're in the field and conducting combat operations, I mean, not having water is a sin. You don't go without water. So us providing no water...

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  For food that has to be cooked with water is almost like a slap in the face. It's dehumanizing.

• 1:05:55Tucker Carlson?

  Where is, has Johnnie Moore addressed this?

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  No, because Johnnie Moore won't answer any questions. And to be fair,

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  I don't think he doesn't answer it because he's a bad guy. I think he doesn't answer it because he doesn't know. He knows nothing.

• 1:06:11Tucker Carlson?

  I'd be willing to take, I think it's a very charitable view. When I heard him suggest that anyone who criticizes him and his quote, "life-saving work is working for Hamas", that's when I began to wonder if he was really a good guy. Because good people don't immediately deflect in that way and accuse their critics of working for a terror group. There are legitimate questions. You don't have to be a Hamas sympathizer to ask,

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's

• 1:06:32Tucker Carlson?

  Are you delivering enough water?

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  I think that's very inflammatory and bombastic to think that, that, that anyone that would speak out against seeing travesty and dehumanization

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  is automatically labeled as Hamas because you don't agree with his perception.

• 1:06:53Tucker Carlson?

  Especially if he's an American Army Colonel from San Antonio who spent 25 years fighting radical Islam. I think it's a little much.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Whose wife served in the military?

• 1:07:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Whose parents served in the military?

• 1:07:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. That's, that's, so I don't, you know, I think that others can judge whether Johnnie Moore is a good guy, but I don't think he gets the presumption of good guy-ness after he says something like that. That'd be my position on that.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

• 1:07:16Tucker Carlson?

  No, I think, and bless you for it. You're a better man than I am.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Never met him.

• 1:07:20Tucker Carlson?

  So you brought this up. They said it's too expensive.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Too expensive.

• 1:07:24Tucker Carlson?

  And the IDF doesn't want the Gazans to have water, so no water for them.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, again, the, when there wasn't a cooperative discourse with the IDF in terms of how many trucks, how much food, which sites, which times, it was directed and there was no conversation. It was, "You will deliver to this site during these times. These many trucks, you will distribute this much at this time, and that is it."

• 1:07:52Tucker Carlson?

  So the IDF is totally in charge, it sounds, operationally.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  The IDF get to dictate when we go in because they control access into Gaza. So when all of our trucks get loaded, we can't go into Gaza proper from Karim Shalom until the IDF say it's okay. Sometimes they don't let us in.

• 1:08:09Tucker Carlson?

  You worked with the IDF on and off over your career.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  I have, in various...

• 1:08:13Tucker Carlson?

  What did you think of the IDF when you were in the army?

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  Overall, holistically, not impressed. Now, there are some units within the IDF, within the Israeli Defense Force and with the Israeli Ministry of Defense that are good.

• 1:08:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Professional, good, best of the best.

• 1:08:32Tucker Carlson?

  Famous.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  writ large, not impressed.

• 1:08:36Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  And not because necessarily that they're bad soldiers, but it's leadership. Poor training, poor equipment, this idea that, you know, and part of it is that when you think about the Israeli Defense Force, they're not, the Israeli military structure doesn't call themselves an army, or a navy, or an air force. They're Israeli Defense Force. They defend Israel.

• 1:09:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  They're not expeditionary. They're not like the United States Army that has to train to fight wars overseas. They defend within. And for the most part, they're fighting an enemy now at this point that are women and children and old men. It's not hard to defeat and annihilate an enemy when your enemy, the majority of them are under the age of 15.

• 1:09:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's easy to shoot kids.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  It's, it's a, it's almost, you have to have a sense of cognitive dissonance to do it. You almost have to separate yourself from the situation, which is why I've said many of these contractors, if they have a conscience, which I think many of them do because they've served in the military and they know what right and wrong looks like. And in the IDF, that when that separation of that cognitive dissonance between your morals and what you're doing comes back to you as a human. It hits hard. And in the coming days and weeks, as this operation, as Operation Gideon's Chariots has ended, and the Israeli army has to refit into this restructuring for occupation, which is a whole new ballgame.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Occupational army, US Army, World War II, US Army post-invasion of Iraq, that's when things get really nasty. That's when things get really gray. We think that things are complicated and complex now. Wait until you put an occupation army under the streets of Gaza City.

• 1:10:40Tucker Carlson?

  If you don't mind fleshing out the difference between what's going on now and a formal occupation.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  So, right now, in the South, so consider if you're a combat force, infantry, armor, tanks, artillery, you're maneuvering. You're maneuvering against an enemy. Or not. In this case, I didn't see many enemy out there, I didn't see any enemy out there. When you're an army of occupation, you then become static. You become routine. You become identifiable. That's when counterinsurgency often resonates the most, is that, so, right now, if I were Hamas, while the active war is going on, the offensive, I'm laying low, hiding, I'm gonna come out and get killed.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  When the occupation begins, that's when the insurgency presents itself in armed violence.

• 1:11:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's when you have permanent bases that can be blown up.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  It's going to get violent, and it's going to get deadly, and is the, well, more deadly. And if the United States doesn't set a firm tone of what's acceptable and what's not, no longer can we have this IDF do what you will, and we'll just kinda, we'll play backup. No, we cannot. The President of the United States needs to set clear, firm expectations and boundaries with our ally. Because this occupation...

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Two things will happen. One, it's going to become extremely violent, grotesquely violent. Markhava tanks being blown up on the Saladin Road going into Gaza. The Israelis won't like it. But then also, when forces begin to go into Gaza City, and people, other people start to see the amount of starvation and destitute and destruction, it's going to bring the world to its knees. And it's not going to be a year from now, it's not going to be months from now, days from now.

• 1:12:46Tucker Carlson?

  When the rest of the world sees what Gaza looks like, is that what you're saying?

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Yes, because if you consider, so the Spaniards, the Jordanians, and the French have each gone in and dropped airdrop. Airdrop is ineffective because each aircraft you see flying over, pushing out bundles, that's only the equivalent of half of one truck. It's not much at all. Half of one truck only feeds a couple hundred people. One meal. Not to consider what hits the ground and explodes. Most of it doesn't make it to the ground safely. So, those airdrops were for show.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  For the first time in a long time, others besides the Israeli Defense Force Air Force have seen what Gaza looks like from above. And the Israeli government specifically said, "No media in the aircraft." But some of the crew on these aircraft, the Spaniards, the French, the Jordanians, saw that and went back to their governments and were like, "This is beyond words." And I can attest to that.

• 1:14:04Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, just from the air? It was obvious to them, the devastation?

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  So when, when they're conducting...

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Equipment drops, in this case, food pallet drops. I mean, it's at a lower altitude. It's not like it's from, you know, it's not like from 10,000 feet in the air.

• 1:14:20Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  It's from a lower altitude, which you get a pretty good view of the ground, of the ground from above. And, and the scale of devastation in Gaza, that, not that I just, you know, I'm not talking about someone that saw this from the outside, or someone that saw pictures, or someone that looked at a picture and assessed it. It was there, touched it, felt it, smelled it.

• 1:14:41Tucker Carlson?

  And what's it smell like?

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  So very, you know, for those that have experienced it, um, the smell of death, human death, has a very unforgettable smell.

• 1:14:54Tucker Carlson?

  You mean like rotting bodies?

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Rotting bodies, starvation, the body just breaking down. And when that's en masse, it's overwhelming. I, I smelled this, the same smell once in, um, in, in Baghdad during the, um, during the 2006 timeframe, during the, the height of the sectarian violence, when Sunni and Shia were just slaughtering each other. And one of our jobs that we had to do during that time was, on our patrols, we would take a, a truck and a trailer, and we would load bodies. Many veterans have, have done this. This is, this is recorded history. We would load with the Iraqi army, we would go through neighborhoods and load bodies, because they had just been slaughtered.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  Families slaughtered.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  That smell-

• 1:15:44Tucker Carlson?

  You did that?

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Um, in terms of picking up the bodies?

• 1:15:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, while, while in Baghdad, in the height of sectarian violence, during the, my very first deployment as a platoon leader, um, and many a veteran can attest to this, because we had to do it.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  We, we would have to move through, on our combat patrols, we would have to take army trucks and trailers with Iraqi army personnel to load up bodies, because there were so many. That's, that smell is something you never forget. In Gaza- Standing on the berm of Site Number Four, looking north to Gaza City. So if you're standing on Site Number Four, and you're looking south, you see Berish, and you see everything to the south towards the Egyptian border. If you're standing on the northern berm, you're looking at Gaza City, the apocalypse. It's the only thing I can describe it as.

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  Well, in the evening, when that coastal wind comes over the Mediterranean and sweeps through, and that hits you in the face, it smells like death.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  And to that scale, mark my words, someone that's seen it, someone that's lived it, someone that's touched it, someone that's felt it. When the world gets a look at what's in Gaza City, and Jabalya, and southern Erez on the Gaza side of the border,

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  the world will not tolerate it. So what I would say to every American leader, politics aside, put the politics aside. We need to be on the right side of history because our allies are close. Some of our, you know, we say that Israel is one of our closest allies. Some of our closest allies, France, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia,

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  are all standing, and we're not. That says something.

• 1:17:48Tucker Carlson?

  Um, have you brought this to the attention of American lawmakers?

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  I have, and some of them have taken action. Congressman Castro, I had a very good conversation with his staff and him.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Senator Warnock, Senator Tillis, Senator Van Hollen.

• 1:18:06Tucker Carlson?

  What did Tillis say?

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Well, Senator Tillis, you know, as a Republican, his concern is because we have a large constituency of North Carolinians, veterans,

• 1:18:16Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  who are in Gaza armed.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  On a tourist visa, lied to with no protections. That's his constituency. I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm one of his people. So, yeah, people need to, people need to take notice. This is not a political party line. This is humanity.

• 1:18:36Tucker Carlson?

  So when you go into Tillis's office, who's a very strong pro-Israel guy, big neocon, big neocon, and you tell him this story, how does he treat you?

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  So we talked to, we talked to his staff on, on, at his invite, his professional staff that gave notes to him. And, but every meeting I had with, with Congress, whether they were Republican or Democrat, when I sat down and I told them the truth of it, we have Americans, US citizens, veterans that we put into Gaza armed to stave off a hungry, starving population with no rules of engagement on a tourist visa. One of the staffers even spit out his coffee when I said it.

• 1:19:22Tucker Carlson?

  Explain the significance of, of being an armed combatant from a foreign country on a tourist visa. Why is that bad?

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Well, anytime, you know, imagine if you will, if someone came from France to the United States to visit, just to see New York City, check out the sights, and they wanted to be here for a few days, so they, they would enter, you know, blue passport, bloop, go through clear, get your little ticket, you're on a tourist visa. Imagine coming from France to go check out the Big Apple, and you're walking around with a fully automatic machine gun, a pistol, a shotgun, and armor piercing rounds. That would be absurd. Now, what I continue to say, what-

• 1:20:11Tucker Carlson?

  So in other words, I mean, you have no protection at all?

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  You have no legal protection. Not only do you have legal, not have any legal protection under the Israeli government. We're there under the good graces of just hoping that, that, you know, that, that at some point, some Israeli official doesn't see what we're doing and saying like, uh, that's criminal. Right now, everybody's just like, just do it because nobody sees it. But man, are we, I would call it, you know, like back in the day, we're riding dirty. We don't have any legal protection.

• 1:20:41Tucker Carlson?

  And no rules of engagement. What do you mean by that?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  With no rules of engagement. So the, I feel it would have been incumbent upon Safe Reach Solutions as the prime to issue a rules of engagement, but they did not.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  So a rules of engagement is something, and even the, the most elite units in the United States military get briefed on and rehearse a rules of engagement. That's what makes it-

• 1:21:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. What can you do under what circumstances and what can't you do?

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  That's right. Especially when it comes to pulling a trigger to shoot a bullet to kill a human, when all of those humans are unarmed civilians. That's, that's something that throughout the history of the world that we, from, from the Battle of Jericho, I've been there. Wasn't in the Battle of Jericho, but I went to Jericho on my way out of Israel. Um, from Jericho to what we're seeing now, the world has always had the notion of protecting and safeguarding the vulnerable unarmed population. It's what the Geneva Convention and humanitarian law is based on. We've always done that. Why is it different now?

• 1:21:48Tucker Carlson?

  Except in the Book of Esther where-

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  Sure. Yeah.

• 1:21:50Tucker Carlson?

  They're genocided, but whatever. Excuse me. Um, yeah. Uh, again, did the Americans you were with, like, having, I don't know if there's beer for sale in Gaza, but whatever you do at night after a long day of watching civilians get shot at distribution centers, did anyone say, man, this is, this is kind of nuts?

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  So the, the contractors that I mostly spent my time with, because remember, I was the, as soon as we got into country, I was promoted to be the Joint Tactical Operations Center team leader. Um, so I had a small team who predominantly worked out of the, the Joint Tactical Operations Center. Um, I had additional duties laid upon me by the leadership of UG Solutions in terms of taking pictures and, you know, being this pseudo PR person because they had no one to do PR slash this pseudo operations person. So-

• 1:22:46Tucker Carlson?

  That's why you took all the pictures.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  So taking all the pictures, I was told to do in writing. I didn't take that because it was a hobby. I had no intention of taking, like, prior to getting there in my, in my, my phone. I mean, I still had a flip phone before I went because I wanted to get a new one. Um, so I could watch movies on the plane. Um, in-

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  In getting there, like the only pictures I had on my phone were like a few from, you know, some family stuff, not a phone picture taker.

• 1:23:20Tucker Carlson?

  So all the pictures you showed me, the ones right here with the dates on them, and it's basically took pictures every single day you were there, it looks like. They're all time stamped. You were asked to take these by your employer?

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  Told.

• 1:23:33Tucker Carlson?

  Told?

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Not asked, told. There's a, you know, this email here from, I think it's funny when they say about my, my performance here is that, you know, so this is an email, I have this email here from Mr. John Corrigan, who is the Chief Operations Officer of UG Solutions. Pretty important job, boss-ish. And this is back to the headquarters in North Carolina. To me, just a lonely old contractor. I'm not going to say the guy's name that he sent it to. Please add Tony, who CC'd, to our headquarters distribution list. He produces the daily impact report that I've directed him to do, and he does all ground planning

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  for movement for our team. Critical player to the operation.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  That was on June 2nd. Someone that's not a good performer? Someone that was fired? On June 12th, the day before, UG Solutions apparently said that they fired me, which they did not. Tony, you have done a great job in taking photos and videos which have been a tremendous asset to UG Solutions. Apologies if this has caused any consternation for you. We know that you are fully aligned with UG policies and are a member of the team. This is on the 12th of June. Fired me? No.

• 1:25:02Tucker Carlson?

  You resigned, what, the next day?

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  I already had my resignation typed up that day.

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  What is important about this day on the 12th of June, which I think is, it would be funny if it wasn't so

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  upsetting, is that all of the pictures that I took every day, go out into the field, take pictures, document, let's tell the truth. Well, the truth that I grew up with is the truth of the truth. You don't get to you don't get to cherry pick the truth. So every picture, every video, everything I took from the good to the bad to the indifferent. When I came back, I uploaded into the, they established a Google share drive for me specifically. Every day, that was one of my tasks. Come back from a site, sit down at the computer, upload the photos and videos, and then wipe them from my phone. They didn't want me to have them.

• 1:25:53Tucker Carlson?

  Why didn't they want you to have them?

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  They didn't want anybody, so in, in the contract, they specifically state that any photos, written experience, pictures or video are the sole proprietary property of UG Solutions. How you own an idea or a thought, I don't know, but sure.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  So I'd upload them and then wipe them, upload them and then wipe them. So I didn't have them.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  On the 11th of June, the Jerusalem Post, which I think is funny because they were also one of the ones that ran the Tony's a liar, which was, it's just absurd to think about it because

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  they, that, that actual

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  news outlet took one of my photos and used it on the front page of their magazine. It's, it's on there. It's a picture of a boy

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  holding a box of aid. And in fact, John Akri, who was on the press release that GHF did today, asked me if he could use that photo as part of his personal collection because he thought it was so compelling and impactful to tell the story of what was going on in Gaza.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  He called me on the phone. I didn't even know who he was. And I said, yes, you can use it for your personal collection. So

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  all of my pictures went into this share drive.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  That picture made it to the Jerusalem Post. I got blamed. Oh, you sent your picture out to the media? I was like, I didn't send a picture out to the media. I don't even have them. So I emailed the chief operations officer like, hey, John, can you clarify this? Because I'm kind of getting some heat. And he does, and he clarifies, hey, that he says, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't you that did it. It was, you know, we, uh, um, I'll read it. So I'm not a good employee. Gentlemen, and this is to all the leadership of UG Solutions. Tony, you've done a great job of taking photos and videos, which have been an asset. We know you've kept those internal and point to point with me and me only.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  The issue we had is that one of our Israeli political folks at the highest level, who we believe had compartmentalized access to certain materials that we owned, that we agreed to share. Turns out, he accessed the photos and now he has them all. Well, we have told him to explicitly not share these. He has shared these with the media and we have no control over the photos. We have since shut down access to only UG personnel. Apologies if this caused any consternation. We know you're fully aligned a policy. Bottom line, we attempted to fulfill our requests from our Israeli partners and they took advantage of us

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  upon, took advantage of us upon themselves without coordination to their government and higher headquarters. And now all of the media, meaning pictures and photos, are out. Funny is that days later, when I got back to the United States, I got all of my videos and pictures back that I took from an Israeli citizen, like, these people are clowns.

• 1:29:16Tucker Carlson?

  So they've made a bunch of specific allegations against you at a press conference and media appearances. It sounds like you can refute all or most of them with documentation, all of them. Are you going to sue them for slander? Because this sounds like slander.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  Suing is.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  So laborious, you know, I just,

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  I really want all of this. I want this story to get out and I want our government to take action. So I can enjoy the pre-fall fishing. I'd like to get back to work at Lowe's.

• 1:29:52Tucker Carlson?

  You're going back to Lowe's Home and Garden?

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I, I, like I said, it was, it's therapeutic to not have to worry about so many issues and just help people, you know?

• 1:30:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  So, but again, you know, to all these letters, you know, UG Solutions and GHF may say, well,

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  we still fired him. Two things I'd like to ask GHF.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I would like the termination letter. I would like their firing letter. I want it. I want to frame it. I want to put it in my office as a,

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  as the worst employee of the month of the worst employer that I've ever worked for. Give it to me. Give me my termination letter if you fired me. You notice when they put up this slew of documents that they never provide a determination letter? Give it to me. Show us. I'd like to have it, actually.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  But this letter, I think, is really just tops the sundae with a nice cherry. This is from UG Solutions Corporate from the COO back in, so they had a CEO stateside? And they had a COO forward, kind of like a home and awaiting. I read this on Breaking Points, but I think it's appropriate for this. Dear Tony, as your engagement with UG Solutions concludes, we extend our gratitude for your contributions to our mission in Israel and Gaza. We appreciate your flexibility and adaptability throughout the deployment and your willingness to support the mission in a variety of ways. While your current assignment ends, please let us know if you are interested in future opportunities to work with UG Solutions.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  This is on the 24th of June. I left the next day.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Does that sound like

• 1:31:37Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Signed by the COO. So what this whole smear campaign sounds like to me is

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  I'm the only person in their entire construct of a company

• 1:31:52Speaker 02

  that one, has the depth of knowledge that I have of what actually happened and what's going on. But two, can corroborate as an eyewitness, as a human being, as a carbon-based life form, having been on the ground in Gaza, to corroborate all of the video. The video of the guy shooting and then saying, "Yee-haw, hell yeah, think you got one?" That was in that drive that got released to the Israeli government. It's out there. There's no denying it.

• 1:32:17Tucker Carlson?

  I watched it.

• 1:32:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, so What happened to the boy, Amir?

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  Yes, Amir. Interesting.

• 1:32:42Tucker Carlson?

  Who was apparently murdered? And then your former employers trotted out a picture claiming he was still alive, but it was a different person.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:53Tucker Carlson?

  Do we know anything about what happened to his body? Whether his family knows where

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you know Johnnie Moore, who claims to be this evangelical? Last time I checked, now we should know every hair on one's head. God does.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  In their smear package of information, they said, "Mr. Aguilar claims that this young boy was killed on the site. Well, here's a picture of him two days later."

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  The picture that they used of Amir two days later, and also the pictures of Amir, are pictures that I took. They used photos that I took to discredit photos that I took.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  You can't even wrap your head around it.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  So, the picture here that they said is Amir is on the 1st of June at site number four. Timestamped in my phone because I have the original. Site number four and site number two are 26 kilometers away through a combat zone that no civilian can traverse between the two. So how did Amir get from site two on the 28th of May to site four on the 1st of June? Well, he didn't. One, because he's dead. Two, because it would have been impossible unless somewhere in Gaza, they now have the ability to, you know, Star Trek beam people to another location. Would have been impossible.

• 1:34:15Tucker Carlson?

  Do we know anything about his family or how that was?

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  So they questioned it, right? So an NGO reached out to me after the story broke and they said, "Do you, do you happen to know what site and what day?" Well, I do know exactly what site, exactly what day. I even know exactly what time. And I provided that information to them. They immediately energized their NGO network within Gaza to begin looking, backtracking. Nasser Hospital, backtracking, asking, taking the picture around, kind of like old, uh, on the milk carton days.

• 1:34:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  And they found, um, they found his mother, his stepmother. His mother and father had both been killed. His father was killed in Israeli airstrike. His mother had been killed. His stepmother has been looking for him since the 28th of May. And that photo that I took of him is the last she'd seen him alive. She now has this photo. I've seen her. I actually, uh, yesterday I had the, uh, I had the

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  real special opportunity. I got to talk to her on the phone with a translator. She and I zoomed together and she asked me, "What did he say? What did he look like? How was he?" And I just told her, I was like, "He's a beautiful boy. Happy. Real strong spirit."

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  And she's like, "Do you, do you think I'll ever find him?" And this isn't just me saying this and it's non-verifiable. I talked to her on a interview with an activist group where there were hundreds watching. So everybody can verify this. How hard it is to tell a mother that her son is dead.

• 1:36:09Tucker Carlson?

  He was killed in May and yesterday was August and she hasn't seen him.

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  Nothing. She's been looking for him. Now, Johnnie Moore would say that's Hamas propaganda. So, Tony Aguilar, who has no contacts really anywhere, who's back in the United States, managed to orchestrate this Hamas Kabuki Theater facade, simply to discredit the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. How arrogant must you be? This is a Christian? This is a Christian evangelist? This boy was killed. And instead of accepting what we can do to change it, I have a great recommendation. Let's not put humanitarian aid food distribution sites

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  in the middle of combat zones. That would be a great start to not killing innocent people to include, I thought, you know, and again, confirmation. She even said, Amir, she's like, I've been looking for Amir. Didn't make this up. I touched this boy. I looked him in the eyes. And what? I thought he was maybe six or seven. He was 10. That's how emaciated he is.

• 1:37:30Tucker Carlson?

  Don't put food distribution centers in the middle of combat zones. So my last question is, what other steps should the US government take to make this better and to avoid what you've said a number of times is going to be an international cataclysm when the world sees what's going on in Gaza that the US is supporting and paying for? What should the US government do now?

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Today, Mr. John Akri, who I think is the second in command of GHF, second in charge, whatever his title is.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  He was introduced by Mr. Chapin Fay, who's their spokesperson, who, by the way, also has no experience in humanitarian assistance or the military. So for Mr. Chapin Fay to say that, "I don't know what I'm talking about in terms of lines of sight or fields of fire." Give me a break.

• 1:38:21Tucker Carlson?

  What, who, he's the spokesman?

• 1:38:24Speaker 02

  Chapin Fay is the paid spokesman for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a spokesman they had to hire and pay once my story broke, so.

• 1:38:33Tucker Carlson?

  Where's he from, do you know?

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  No idea. I mean, his entire life and background has just been PR.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  It's

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  it's insulting, but Mr. John Akria said, "We would like to propose a plan for the UN and for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation to work together." No.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation does not have the capacity. It does not have the logistics. It does not have the experience. It does not have the personnel to do half, part, or any part of the humanitarian assistance operation. What the United States should do is stop with this rhetoric that the United Nations is giving away all of its food to Hamas. That has been disproven. Disproven. Reengage the United Nations. Take all that money that we're giving to line the pockets of profiteers who spend most of it on PR firms and spokespersons and lawyers, apparently. And allow the United Nations to use it to not only expand their operations, but

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  this would be a really good idea. Instead of the IDF sitting and just videotaping and watching UN trucks getting ransacked, perhaps provide some security for them. Just like, so I think it's ironic when Johnnie Moore celebrates that not one of our trucks has been attacked. Well, you have them driving on a road that's in an area where there are no Palestinians that live within tens of miles. Armed to the teeth by IDF and armed Americans. Of course, they're not getting ransacked. It's almost like you're, you're...

• 1:40:20Speaker 02

  You're in the stands of the football field and you're saying, "Well, I didn't get tackled today." You're not even on the field. So, how about we provide some security assistance to the United Nations to go into the site? Not arming or armed security, just a security presence to assist them in delivery. To empower the United Nations that has doctors and nurses and humanitarian assistants and nutritionists and people that feed people and people that know what they're doing and people that know how many calories come in a meal and how many calories someone needs that can provide water. That'd be a great start, water.

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  The United Nations mechanisms should be put back in full force today. The United States should stop, do not spend another dime on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation because it is not achieving any modicum of a goal of feeding anyone. It is not. It's proven that it's a failure. Why it's a failure? We can dissect that in the annals of history. I've got some ideas, but it's failed.

• 1:41:30Tucker Carlson?

  Have you had any contact with anyone from Gaza Humanitarian Foundation in the last couple of weeks?

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  I have never had any contact from anyone within the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation at all, period, ever. So, the fact that they can so, so bodaciously say that I'm a liar and they've never even spoke to me. It's pretty bold.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  I don't know, other than Mr. Johnnie Moore and Mr. Chapman-Fay, the spokesman, I have no idea what human beings are in the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

• 1:42:03Tucker Carlson?

  Much less who pays the bills.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Much less who pays the bills.

• 1:42:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  Who's making what? Love to see that.

• 1:42:12Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I think you've done a lot so far. Colonel, thank you very much.

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:42:17Tucker Carlson?

  For spending all this time.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Been a, really happy that I can come up here and be in the studio. It's a great experience and thank you.

• 1:42:28Tucker Carlson?

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