The 2026 Golden Globes: ‘One Battle After Another’ vs. ‘Hamnet’ Begins

Sean and Amanda instantly react to the 2026 Golden Globes and break down their thoughts on the telecast, debate whether or not ‘Hamnet’ is now a serious Best Picture contender, and wonder what exactly the purpose of this awards show is. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:27Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 1:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:29Sean Fennessey?

  And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the 2026 Golden Globes. We've just witnessed them here at Spotify HQ. Amanda, how are you feeling?

• 1:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you are yelling at me a lot.

• 1:41Sean Fennessey?

  I was not yelling.

• 1:43Amanda Dobbins?

  As if I made any of the decisions. You turned to me as best drama was being announced as George Clooney and Don Cheadle did a fairly amusing, if extended bit before announcing the final category. You turned to me and yelled, are they really not going to give this to sinners? As if I were a member of the Golden Globes, as if I had any decision-making power. And I did not. And in fact, they did not align with my predictions. But they did not give the last category to sinners. So we finished on a bit of a down note personally, or we as...

• 2:21Amanda Dobbins?

  As people invested in cinema and people we like winning meaningless trophies.

• 2:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I'd like to explore that with you.

• 2:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Sean Fennessey?

  So it was a huge night for one battle after another, which won best musical or comedy, best director and best original screenplay, in addition to best supporting actress for Tiana Taylor.

• 2:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:37Sean Fennessey?

  One battle was the big winner of the night.

• 2:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It was.

• 2:38Sean Fennessey?

  It has been the one, the big winner of award season throughout. I thought Paul Thomas Anderson gave two really good speeches. I thought Tiana Taylor gave a good speech. It was a great showing for the movie. I do feel stupid for a variety of reasons.

• 2:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:51Sean Fennessey?

  Not just because I was like four for 19 in my predictions.

• 2:55Amanda Dobbins?

  You started out strong.

• 2:56Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I don't even remember what I started out with.

• 2:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Best supporting actress was the first award given.

• 3:00Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And so you did pick Tiana Taylor.

• 3:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. I started our conversation on the predictions episode by saying, I'm feeling very bored by all this. Everything feels very predictable this season. While making my predictions, I think I was, I was trying to manifest a swerve, a change in the narrative, something different.

• 3:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:17Sean Fennessey?

  And I made all these crazy picks that I had no chance of winning. Michael B. Jordan winning best actor in a drama.

• 3:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 3:22Sean Fennessey?

  Or, um, uh, who else did I pick? Emma Stone winning for Begonia, like things that had, have not really had any precedent of happening. And the most obvious place to quote unquote zag here, which is really obvious when you look back is to say Hamnet.

• 3:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 3:38Sean Fennessey?

  For best drama.

• 3:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Correct.

• 3:40Sean Fennessey?

  And you and I didn't pick it. You picked it was just an accident, which I thought was interesting. And your rationale was 100% on the money.

• 3:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 3:49Sean Fennessey?

  Which was you thought that what?

• 3:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I thought that it was a very, this is an international voting body or a non-American voting body. Um, there were a huge number of international nominees across the acting categories, screenplay, directing, and of course, both best drama and best musical and comedy. And it was just an accident, was also nominated in screenplay, director.

• 4:12Amanda Dobbins?

  International and in best drama. So I thought, you know, there is a broader international voting base and this is a this is a movie that has a lot of nominations. It went home empty handed.

• 4:24Sean Fennessey?

  It did.

• 4:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's tough. That's a great film.

• 4:26Sean Fennessey?

  But you're and I think the way that you were thinking about it was sound, though, which is that you chose Sinners to win the best cinematic in box office achievement.

• 4:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 4:34Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a real award that exists and now has precedent in a couple of different ways.

• 4:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I predicted it to win. I did not choose it. Once again.

• 4:42Sean Fennessey?

  You were the sole voter in the category.

• 4:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That to be an insulting award and that the ability to connect with audiences on a mass scale is just another way to be great at making a film and you can have it all.

• 4:55Sean Fennessey?

  You have correctly identified this award, though, as the bridesmaid award.

• 4:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Sean Fennessey?

  That this is the award, I don't mean the film bridesmaids, I mean, this is the second place award. This is the you did a really nice job at the box office.

• 5:06Amanda Dobbins?

  The Barbie award.

• 5:07Sean Fennessey?

  You're worthy of Oscar nominations, but you're not worthy of winning anything major. Two years ago, Barbie won. Last year, Wicked won. This year, it's Sinners. And you said Sinners is gonna win here. And it did. You were right about that. And I have to go somewhere else because I don't think that they're gonna repeat Sinners in this spot.

• 5:25Sean Fennessey?

  And for whatever reason, I I just wasn't really thinking hard about it. I think it's because you were holding a grudge against Hamlet that you maybe just didn't want to go in that direction.

• 5:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I really, I was trying to, I was thinking international.

• 5:36Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 5:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was, I mean, like.

• 5:38Sean Fennessey?

  Hamlet is an international film.

• 5:41Sean Fennessey?

  As Jessie Buckley noted, an Irish cast, a Chinese filmmaker, a Polish crew. So, you know, it's not a foreign language film, but it is an international movie in some respects and it won here. And in retrospect, it's obvious. And I did say to you while we were watching the show, we've been saying all along, oh, it's it's one battle and Sinners has been in second place all along, but. Many people said Hamlet is not a critics film. It's an industry film. It's a film that once people in the Academy start watching it, that they're gonna like more than critics are gonna like it. And I'm not saying that Hamlet is coming for one battle's neck or anything.

• 6:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Sean Fennessey?

  But we do have a race now.

• 6:21Amanda Dobbins?

  We, I mean, we're back where we were in September with the Shakespeare in Love versus.

• 6:29Sean Fennessey?

  Saving Private Ryan.

• 6:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Saving Private Ryan and Steven Spielberg is somehow like involved once again.

• 6:33Sean Fennessey?

  On stage, accepting the award.

• 6:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, but like possibly on the losing side, but Shakespeare is now, you know, it's so it, we are, I think you're right, but I don't, I don't feel as bad about myself as you, you're trying to bring shame to both of us.

• 6:49Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm not.

• 6:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And I just wanna keep it on your side of the table.

• 6:52Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just trying to be, I'm just trying to be real. Like, we both got that category wrong and we shouldn't have because for months, we have known that Hamlet is gonna be very strong in this kind of a battle. And in part because even though one battle after another in Hamlet are, I think, both ultimately very sincere movies, they're kind of two different modes of sincerity. I thought Chloé Zhao gave a really nice speech and I think people are gonna remember that speech about what Paul Meskell said to her about what it means to love and to be loved and to be seen and to be vulnerable. Those are things that resonate. My, my, my beautiful wife, Eileen, texted me and she said, I thought that was a really nice speech by Chloé Zhao. She, she thought Hamlet was okay.

• 7:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Sean Fennessey?

  But that sort of thing matters at this stage because as you said, when we last recorded, Academy voters watched the Globes and when you're listening to this, Academy members are probably starting to vote. Voting starts.

• 7:36Amanda Dobbins?

  They're voting on nominations starting tomorrow.

• 7:38Sean Fennessey?

  Monday.

• 7:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Or, yes, Monday, wherever you are listening.

• 7:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, so this is, this is a consequential telecast, at least in that respect. Just like gut check.

• 7:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:47Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think there's any chance that the tides really start turning here? Cause in years past, like last year.

• 7:55Sean Fennessey?

  We had a Nora at the top of our Best Picture power rankings for months.

• 7:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 7:58Sean Fennessey?

  And we switched it one time. And it was the one episode we did after The Globes because The Brutalist won Best Drama.

• 8:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 8:05Sean Fennessey?

  And Brady Corby won Best Director. So almost as like a nod to the fact that it just won these two big awards. We have to say, well, The Brutalist, it has a chance. It's in the race. And then it ultimately turned out to not be in the race. In years past, this has happened many times where it seemed like maybe a film was getting in there, but the frontrunner was always strong. Do you think Hamid has a chance in this race?

• 8:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't. I think that some of it has to do with both our own biases against the musical and comedy category. And/or I guess our biases of taking drama more seriously. And also just the completely nonsensical way in which the films were divided this year. I mean, you know, as you pointed out to me, Rose Byrne, very deserving win for Best Actress in a musical or comedy. And If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You is an incredible movie, one of my favorite films of the year.

• 8:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Best Actress in a deeply upsetting drama.

• 8:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And, you know, there are moments where you laugh from despair. Like, it is, it is funny, but what is, what is a musical or comedy? Because All Sinners is a movie that music and is, and the history of music is deeply embedded in that film. And it did win for Best Score tonight, though that was not televised, which we'll get into that.

• 9:19Sean Fennessey?

  Shameful.

• 9:20Amanda Dobbins?

  So what's a musical, what's a comedy, what's a drama this year in particular, up is down? And so I think-

• 9:27Sean Fennessey?

  And the award show became sentient about this idea. They were literally talking about this. Having presenters discuss this onstage, Judd Apatow went out of his way to note the train wreck lost Best Musical or Comedy to The Martian, directed by Ridley Scott. The Martian is funnier than If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You, I would argue. But your, your point is dead on, which is that there's been a lot of genre confusion and mishmashing and a lot of category fraud, for lack of a better term. There's a lot of category fraud throughout all the categories this, this time of year. So that part of it, I think, blurs the lines of what, how impactful some of these things are. But it's actually, I think it's fun. I think it's fun to have a little bit more tension in the race. I think it's fun to not, not to be as much of a steamroll as it has felt like. Maybe it feels more fun because I'm like, the stuff I like is still in pretty good shape here.

• 10:12Sean Fennessey?

  Like, it's not, nothing feels threatened. I don't know why I'm treating this like it's a sports season. Maybe because the Mets and the Jets have been so fucking miserable that I just need this to happen, but um. Let's talk about the telecast for a little bit before we go back to the races. Because the races were good, but they did feel very chalky. So there's not as much to analyze as there has been in years past. Nikki Glaser returned as the host. What did you think of her performance?

• 10:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Pretty good. This year I knew who she was as opposed to last year. Remember when I was like, oh, this Nikki Glaser? Wow, she has some experience with comedy.

• 10:42Sean Fennessey?

  A working comedian of 20 years.

• 10:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, no, but she she picks the right targets for the most part. And they're they're softer targets, but it's still funny. Mostly kept it moving. You know, she had like a dig or two at CBS News on CBS, which I appreciated.

• 10:59Sean Fennessey?

  Me too.

• 11:00Amanda Dobbins?

  The musical numbers are not not funny, but a bit long for my tastes. And I personally would take some of the costume changes in a different direction.

• 11:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 11:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But I I thought that she did a good job.

• 11:13Sean Fennessey?

  I thought she was pretty funny.

• 11:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 11:14Sean Fennessey?

  I thought she was really funny last year, maybe a little bit less funny this year. But she does feel much more comfortable going bing, bing, bing, treating the monologue like a roast. And that's obviously something she's best at. Her returned barbs towards Kevin Hart, who's a friend of hers, are reminiscent of a lot of the barbs she's thrown Kevin Hart's ways over the years during roasts. That's that's like a that's where she's at her best.

• 11:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Sean Fennessey?

  And I thought her shots at Chalamet were pretty funny. I thought Wicked was back with Wicked for Money was probably my favorite joke of the night.

• 11:44Sean Fennessey?

  I thought her Sean Penn joke was very funny. You know, a lot of people talk the talk, but Sean Penn, you actually go to the places in the world that need help the most and do cocaine there. And that was that was a great laugh line. She had the George Clooney troubleshooting espresso moment. So the jokes were pretty good. I found the in intersegments and the musical number to be a little wanting. Talk about the podcast awards in a moment.

• 12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Sean Fennessey?

  That was a little bit funnier. The show started with no clips for the Supporting Actor and Actress Awards, and that's evil.

• 12:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 12:15Sean Fennessey?

  We reject that.

• 12:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 12:16Sean Fennessey?

  Here on the show. They did eventually start introducing some clips.

• 12:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 12:20Sean Fennessey?

  Starting with the podcast awards.

• 12:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah. Well, we can start with that. They also gave us a clip of screenwriting and Hamlet, and they just central, you know, really focused on the point where he says. Who are you looking for? William Shakespeare. So once again, clips highlighting the best of the work that we see every year.

• 12:39Sean Fennessey?

  That's helpful. The show is about three hours and 15 minutes. So it wouldn't, wasn't brisk, but it wasn't over long, I would say, especially because they also have to hand out a trundle of TV awards. Most of which also seemed pretty predictable and not super interesting.

• 12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Congratulations to the nice people of adolescence.

• 12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they did very well tonight. The pit did very well tonight. Was nice to see Ray Sehorn up there for Pluribus, one of my favorite shows of the year. Something that was not good about the show, not even a little bit good, was the play by play announcers speaking while winners went to the stage. Kevin Frazier and Mark Malkin were doing, I guess, banter?

• 13:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it seemed like they had some factoids, but they were also trying to like feel it out and like, you know, like find the energy in the room. And listen, it's hard to find the energy in the room. We get there most days. Sometimes we don't. They were not getting there.

• 13:36Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 13:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It was excruciating. I almost climbed under our theater chair multiple times.

• 13:42Sean Fennessey?

  I, I found it deeply unpleasant.

• 13:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's a small chair.

• 13:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I found their banter to be often ill informed and boring.

• 13:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 13:51Sean Fennessey?

  It also had the performative like, aren't we having fun everyone? Quality to it, which is obviously not great. When you combine that with the Bachelorette Party circa 2009 soundtrack, it was very like, they would seem like strip club DJs to me, where I was just like, you know, Usher was going hard in the paint. It's like Clabber Mendoza Filio was going to the stage.

• 14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was not. Usher, yeah, played as Stellan Skarsgård made his way to the stage to accept best supporting actor for sentimental value. Please, I've written them down. Return of the Mac played as Macaulay Culkin came out.

• 14:26Sean Fennessey?

  Excellent.

• 14:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Espresso after Paul Thomas Anderson's best director's speech into animated feature.

• 14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, you know, Ponder Replay as everyone for The Secret Agent made their way back from like, you know, the table 324 or whatever.

• 14:44Sean Fennessey?

  A little questionable.

• 14:44Amanda Dobbins?

  The further the table was, you know, the longer the music played and also the longer those, those two people whose names I don't remember had to vamp. Pink Pony Club as the heated rivalry guys came out.

• 14:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, that was funny.

• 14:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I enjoyed. Isn't She Lovely for Jessie Buckley's. And at some point, it really did turn into like fourth hour of a wedding, like clear the dance floor situation. We Found Love in a Hopeless Place for one, a battle after another's triumphant win. And then just straight up celebrate for when Hamlet won best drama.

• 15:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 15:19Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really.

• 15:19Sean Fennessey?

  Cause when you think Hamlet, you think celebrate.

• 15:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And apparently after they wrapped the Globe scene in Hamlet, I'm not making this up, this isn't like me doing a bit, they as like a cathartic moment for everyone in the theater, they had a dance party to We Found Love in a Hopeless Place by Rihanna, like in the, on the Globe set.

• 15:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 15:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So I found that very weird that, that, you know, they, they couldn't even cue those music cues up if they wanted something in Congress.

• 15:44Sean Fennessey?

  Very strange.

• 15:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I liked the soundtrack.

• 15:49Sean Fennessey?

  I guess it kept the energy up during the show, you know, like, and, and just a lot of recognizable.

• 15:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Sean Fennessey?

  Mid-tier mom jams, like that's, I don't really know what else to call it. Like it wasn't bad music, it was good pop music, I suppose, but it was like, once again, with the sort of reckoning of the movies that you like are going to win best picture at the Academy Awards. It's like, it is all coming for the middle aged people of, of, of the millennial generation.

• 16:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 16:13Sean Fennessey?

  Like all of this is coming to the fore where it's like.

• 16:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great.

• 16:16Sean Fennessey?

  The oldies that are playing at award shows is fucking Ponder Replay. Like, how did we get here? Quick question for you.

• 16:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Sean Fennessey?

  Very quickly, just yes or no reaction. If we were offered $10 million by the Golden Globes next year to be the play by play announcers, would you do it?

• 16:33Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 16:34Sean Fennessey?

  I would. I'll do it alone. I'll do it by myself. I have so many factoids about films.

• 16:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's the thing. Here is the thing. Listen.

• 16:42Sean Fennessey?

  I don't even need to prep. Just put me in the chair and I'll crush.

• 16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no. Listen, you know the facts. You're a great game show host, but as you know, from doing watch along or whatever, the, the fitting the anecdote to the moment and the time by time, it's a little more intense.

• 16:56Sean Fennessey?

  Under any moment of fear, I just immediately go to what is the physical media availability of this actor's catalog?

• 17:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 17:04Sean Fennessey?

  And I have so much info.

• 17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Which leads me to point two, which is sure, $10 million for one night. Let's, that's not our rates currently. I'd love to get there. So that seems like-

• 17:14Sean Fennessey?

  You're saying we make more.

• 17:15Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's, it would be $10 million for that one night and then you'll never make any money again because it will go so badly. So is that it? That's your cap?

• 17:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well-

• 17:26Amanda Dobbins?

  $10 million next January 4th or whatever, and then you're out.

• 17:29Sean Fennessey?

  I won't need it because I've been relying on Polymarket to make bets on, on my wagers all night. And thanks to my wonderful predictions, I am now a quadrillionaire.

• 17:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:39Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Polymarket odds were shown during the telecast of this show.

• 17:44Amanda Dobbins?

  They sure were.

• 17:45Sean Fennessey?

  They were shown apparently in, in the building, in the theater.

• 17:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 17:49Sean Fennessey?

  They were put, flashing them on screens to the attendees of the Golden Globes, which is of course, you know, historically, this very sloshy, insider-y, fame-packed, small room where really like a ton of very, very well-known people. In fact, we, we bemoaned last year, the kind of lack of heavyweight stardom at the Oscars. But this year, we had one table alone that featured George Clooney, Julia Roberts and Adam Sandler.

• 18:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 18:11Sean Fennessey?

  This was a very starry night. Leonardo DiCaprio was in the crowd tonight. You know, there were a lot of heavyweight, famous people, young and old, and they were showing fucking Polymarket on the, on the board.

• 18:20Amanda Dobbins?

  It was the lower, you know, it was the Chyron as people were mingling. Uh, so I watched the, the two sweet boys from Hamlet go, go meet Adam Sandler and that was-

• 18:30Sean Fennessey?

  The Jupes.

• 18:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And that was very nice. So I, I don't feel good about the Polymarket thing. I don't know what to say. Is it legal for everyone at the Golden Globes to be placing bets from inside the room?

• 18:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's a wonderful question.

• 18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I have to assume yes.

• 18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:46Sean Fennessey?

  Although there is no gambling, online gambling in California, right?

• 18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 18:51Sean Fennessey?

  So, no.

• 18:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So, well then how's everyone doing it?

• 18:55Sean Fennessey?

  Well, nobody in California is doing it, in theory.

• 18:58Amanda Dobbins?

  In, okay.

• 19:00Sean Fennessey?

  But the thing that flashed in my mind when I was thinking about this polymarket thing, one, I was like, get off my corner. I'm the guy who incorrectly predicts the Golden Globes here. Two, it felt very much like Adrian Wojnarowski, former all-knowing savant of the NBA, a reporter who had all the information and broke news all the time, would literally spoil the upcoming draft picks in the NBA draft while the NBA draft telecast was happening on ESPN. And he was sort of undermining the TV property that he was working for and working on. And this sort of worked in the same way where it was like, coming up next, cinematic and box office achievement award, here are the odds,

• 19:40Sean Fennessey?

  Sinners is at 87%. Okay, so if Sinners doesn't win, it's going to be like the upset of all upsets on a night with virtually no upsets. I thought it was very strange. Let's talk briefly about the podcast award before we start getting into the nitty gritty of all of the film awards. So it opened with an AMC Nicole Kidman style spoof, starring Nikki Glaser. Did you think that was funny?

• 20:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, she was wearing the silver pinstripe jacket and then she went to the AMC theaters and it was closed under construction, which I did think was funny. And then she said, we come to our car for podcasts, which is still how I at least. I hope that none of you are watching this on YouTube while in your car. Okay, please be safe.

• 20:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you usually have to be parked to utilize, if you have a screen in your car, the viewing, but you might have it on your phone.

• 20:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And to that I say, please wear your seatbelt and don't watch this podcast and drive. Thank you, your podcast mom.

• 20:35Sean Fennessey?

  The good news is, no one who listens to this show has their driver's license. They're all 15 and under. You know, it was wonderful to hear our friend Griffin Newman's voice in the fake Bombas ad, or maybe the real Bombas ad?

• 20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. They make great baby socks. I wasn't paid to say that.

• 20:51Sean Fennessey?

  That's wonderful. It was nice to see Marc Maron in that advertisement. The award itself was given out by Snoop Dogg.

• 20:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:01Sean Fennessey?

  Snoop Dogg, yet another indication of how everything that seemed cutting edge and exciting in the 90s is just like warm and fuzzy nostalgia for people in their 40s and 50s now. And Good Hang with Amy Poehler won.

• 21:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Wonderful.

• 21:13Sean Fennessey?

  And I say great.

• 21:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:15Sean Fennessey?

  The Ringer has a Golden Globe.

• 21:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It's incredible.

• 21:17Sean Fennessey?

  Kaia fucking McMullin has a Golden Globe. Shout out to Kaia.

• 21:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm thrilled for Kaia.

• 21:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's amazing. Bill Simmons name uttered onstage at the Golden Globes.

• 21:26Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a great podcast. The only, I would like to say, because they, in the Nikki Glaser quote, the spoof, they played clips from a podcast and they played a recent Good Hang clip, which Amy Poehler and Gwyneth Paltrow discuss having dinner at 6:00 PM. And what a joy that is.

• 21:45Sean Fennessey?

  Deeply relatable.

• 21:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I would just like, it's not deeply relatable because we are not successful enough to get the 6:00 PM reservation. That is Golden Globe privilege right there. We can only get five.

• 21:56Sean Fennessey?

  I thought they were saying-

• 21:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Six is taken for rich people at this point.

• 21:59Sean Fennessey?

  I thought they were saying like, I eat at home at 6:00.

• 22:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, no, no, no. I think that they, Gwyneth, like, I do a 5:40, I did a 5:45 last night. And that suggests to me that it was a 5:45 reservation, you know?

• 22:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, okay.

• 22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  But yeah.

• 22:11Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I can't get the 6:15. Are you kidding?

• 22:13Sean Fennessey?

  Like Sam Vincente bungalow? Like, what are we talking about here?

• 22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Those aren't available. You have to start at 5:00 or 9:00 for everybody else. So I'm happy for them.

• 22:21Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta start, like, using your pull a little bit here, you know? You gotta be carrying around that issue of the New Yorker, being like, do you know who I am?

• 22:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It's up on our faces.

• 22:30Sean Fennessey?

  I'm the lady in this caricature.

• 22:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Not in the print version.

• 22:33Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, right. Shoot, yeah, that's tough.

• 22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know.

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  It's tough. You gotta start showing them your phone.

• 22:37Amanda Dobbins?

  My Instagram is like, hey, do you see that? But I don't have my microphone with me or my coffee cup.

• 22:42Sean Fennessey?

  I was, I was really happy for Amy.

• 22:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It's wonderful. Really deserving.

• 22:46Sean Fennessey?

  She kinda indicated it, but like, I was in the meeting when Amy came in and pitched the show. And it was, we, everyone that was in the meeting was like, this is the most no-brainer meet, like, of all time. Where we were just like, we have to do this, whatever we have to do, we'll do this. And it's great. That show obviously is a smash success and she's worthy of it. You know, I don't love the Podcast Award and the Stand Up Comedy Award blotting out the film and TV stuff as much. I understand why they exist. I think it's pretty savvy on the Golden Globes part for a variety of reasons because they're trying to keep up with the Joneses, right? What are people actually consuming? Nikki Glaser's bits, I think, leaned into that pretty good. But then when you watch, like- Those awards, you watch Nikki Glaser doing a Marty Supreme Golden Mashup parody, and then Best Score gets pushed off the telecast. Something feels wrong there.

• 23:30Sean Fennessey?

  Even stand-up comedy is like, you know, Ricky Gervais won and he wasn't even there. So why did they give that award out on the telecast?

• 23:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't understand. Also, if score was the only category I'm aware of that was given out during the commercials, that's just bad planning. That's just why, like-

• 23:43Sean Fennessey?

  Also, score is a cool award.

• 23:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 23:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't understa- I mean, maybe the least sexy award perhaps out of all of these on this telecast, but like, is it really less sexy than like, supporting actress in a limited series? I don't know. It just, that doesn't sit right with me, and I didn't like that they did that. And we're talking a minute, like, three more minutes on the telecast?

• 24:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 24:01Sean Fennessey?

  On the three hour and 15 minute telecast?

• 24:03Amanda Dobbins?

  We could have cut one of the bits.

• 24:04Sean Fennessey?

  We could have.

• 24:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:06Sean Fennessey?

  Very quickly, I did want to do executive watch.

• 24:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. That's what we were doing in the room.

• 24:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. I'm not saying this doesn't happen at other Golden Globes. You know, memorably, Tim Cook showed up for Golden Globes in the past because, you know, he had produced shows for Apple, Apple had a good night, the studio did really well. But there were a lot of very visible executives from the movie studios on this telecast at a critical time in which two different companies are bidding for one of the companies.

• 24:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 24:34Sean Fennessey?

  And they're all kind of involved in the Oscar race, except for Paramount, but the show was airing on CBS, which Paramount owns. So in the room, we had David Zaslove, the chairman of Warner Brothers and HBO, at the one battle after another table with Mike Zaluka and Pam Abdi, they're the film chiefs.

• 24:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 24:56Sean Fennessey?

  David Ellison, you noted, was there, looking perhaps a bit sunburnt.

• 25:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. And also seemingly in the corner, he was up against one of, I think he was on like, orchestra level.

• 25:07Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 25:07Amanda Dobbins?

  But on the fringes, you know?

• 25:09Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  As best I could tell.

• 25:11Sean Fennessey?

  Lurking in the shadows, is that what you're saying?

• 25:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It was in the corner.

• 25:13Sean Fennessey?

  All right. Bella Bajaria, seated at the Jay Kelly table with Adam Sandler, George Clooney, and Julia Roberts, who was there as a kind of plus one.

• 25:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 25:22Sean Fennessey?

  With, also with Kevin Hart, apparently.

• 25:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I don't know. I don't think that after the hunt had that many other nominations or any other nominations, so they had to put her somewhere.

• 25:31Sean Fennessey?

  Good point.

• 25:32Amanda Dobbins?

  They put her with George.

• 25:33Sean Fennessey?

  Ted Sarandos, also of Netflix, was at the Frankenstein table.

• 25:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 25:36Sean Fennessey?

  I spotted Tom Rothman in the crowd. Looked like he was embracing Leonardo DiCaprio on point from Sony and Casey Blaise, of course, from HBO, also there. Big Night for Hacks, Big Night for The Pit, number of his shows. And I'm saying all this because there was some interesting synergy. There was a very lame cross promotional moment in which UFC fighters came out to introduce the heated rivalry stars. UFC, of course, was recently acquired and will be showing on Paramount Plus and Paramount properties going forward. And this kind of like peacocking that is going amongst the suitors.

• 26:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 26:11Sean Fennessey?

  Is a little lame. Feels a little lame.

• 26:13Amanda Dobbins?

  The UFC into the heated rivalry moment was, it wasn't really, the heated rivalry guys were cute. We haven't watched heated rivalry yet. We watch movies. I'm sorry. Please, please don't at me. They did a great job. But, but the UFC stuff, they were just like walking around silently in the dark. I just.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  Bit ominous.

• 26:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, I just like instinctively opened my phone to the real reel. I was just kind of like, this is not for me. I don't know what's happening. So it wasn't very effective promo. It was sort of pathetic and.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  When you think Golden Globes in a room full of celebrities, you think combat sports.

• 26:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know who thought that was a good idea, but it was not.

• 26:53Sean Fennessey?

  Do you want to go sequentially through these film awards now to talk through the outcomes?

• 26:58Sean Fennessey?

  The first award of the night was best performance by a female actor in a supporting role.

• 27:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Sean Fennessey?

  I predicted Tiana Taylor, one of my precious few correct predictions tonight. You predicted Inga Ibsdottir-Lilias.

• 27:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 27:10Sean Fennessey?

  And, and Tiana won. And she gave a spirited speech. She had some sort of like butterfly knot medallion tied in the back of her dress that she pointed out. And then she spoke.

• 27:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was like a bow, sort of. Yeah. Anyway.

• 27:24Sean Fennessey?

  She spoke of God and Jesus and her savior. And then.

• 27:30Sean Fennessey?

  I thought gave a pretty good speech.

• 27:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:33Sean Fennessey?

  I think she had the right energy to open the show. I'm a little unsure of that race. I just said in our Instagram Live right beforehand that I feel certain that Amy Madigan is gonna win.

• 27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 27:46Sean Fennessey?

  Because of a lot of precursor stuff and we can talk through some of the SAG, PGA, DGA, and BAFTA longlist news that we've gotten over the last five days.

• 27:55Amanda Dobbins?

  But she's have-

• 27:57Sean Fennessey?

  She's been very strong throughout that race.

• 27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Present in all of those, yes.

• 27:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, she hasn't been pushed aside, but Tiana Taylor has too.

• 28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Amy Madigan was there, sitting with Ed Harris, and they were chuckling and also looking kind of like, "What's going on?", the way that we looked on our Instagram Lives, so I really related to them.

• 28:12Sean Fennessey?

  They actually are grandma and grandpa, though we're not, so they have an excuse of having lived.

• 28:16Amanda Dobbins?

  They also, they were both wearing their reading glasses, which like, maybe it's time for us.

• 28:20Sean Fennessey?

  Might be time.

• 28:20Amanda Dobbins?

  So, no, I think Tiana Taylor is very much in the mix, though I agree that this feels less settled. I like this speech, you know, it kind of built in momentum to, you know, attribute to all the other brown and black women, and especially little girls watching this. And that was very lovely, like, it was moving, and she was like, she was pumped, you know?

• 28:41Sean Fennessey?

  She was pumped.

• 28:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And kind of like danced off the stage, I believe, to my boo, Ghost Town DJ.

• 28:46Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 28:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so, yeah, you were mocking the music, but listen.

• 28:50Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that was cool, I liked that.

• 28:51Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 28:51Sean Fennessey?

  And she gave a little, she did a little groove off the stage.

• 28:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 28:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think I've said this before, but I think back on meeting Tiana Taylor in 2008, when she came into the Five Magazine office and she was like, "I'm gonna be a huge star", and I was like, "Who are you?", and she may be an Academy Award winner. Best performance by a male actor in a supporting role.

• 29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 29:10Sean Fennessey?

  Now, this was surprising. This, to me, was the lone true surprise of the night.

• 29:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:14Sean Fennessey?

  Not that it was an unwarranted victory, but we both picked Benicio del Toro to win.

• 29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 29:20Sean Fennessey?

  He has been the chalk pick in this category throughout the season. I was proclaiming that I feel like there's a strong chance that Jacob Elordi has a powerful upset in him.

• 29:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You were like, "I think this is gonna happen."

• 29:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 29:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  At the Oscars in a few months. And maybe it's the other way. Maybe it's what happened tonight. Maybe it's Stellan Skarsgård for Sentimental Value.

• 29:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I could see it. I was kicking myself because when we were doing our predictions, I, you know, I picked Ingor Ibsadarilious from Sentimental Value and Supporting. But I remember saying aloud, oh, but like, maybe they'll do the Supporting for Stellan in Supporting Actor. And that turned out to be the case. But there is a huge amount of support for Sentimental Value. I told you on our live that my husband watched Sentimental Value yesterday, absolutely loved it, and then was just basically like, Amanda, what's wrong with you? You know?

• 30:08Sean Fennessey?

  A common refrain that's come in your direction.

• 30:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm working through it. I liked it, and I just didn't, you know, emotionally get there. So maybe, maybe I will. But I thought he gave a great speech.

• 30:19Sean Fennessey?

  He gave a wonderful speech. You know, he, he spoke very briefly about the people who worked on the film with him and had brief remarks. He had a very amusing dedication to his wife that indicated some sort of sexual power. And then-

• 30:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And his children.

• 30:32Sean Fennessey?

  And his children, yes, who've been telling him what a bad father he's been in recent years. And he and Alexander Skarsgård have been on the trail together, and they've been very funny together. But then he spent a minute of his speech talking about the importance of seeing movies in movie theaters. He said, let cinema be seen in cinemas. And he was the only person to talk about that all night at this moment when, you know, the Netflix executives are sitting nearby the Warner's executives, nearby the Paramount executives, and there's this like, there obviously is this real sense of doom around theatrical movie going in Hollywood the last year or so. And he spoke to it.

• 31:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Someone else did give an acceptance speech about how they proposed to someone in a movie theater, but I can't remember right now. I think it was another producer accepting, which we'll, we'll get to.

• 31:15Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Best original song. So Golden from K-Pop Demon Hunter One.

• 31:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we, we picked both of this. We're gonna, we're gonna need to work on this speech before we get to the, it's okay. You know, it's your first time accepting.

• 31:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Not everyone, you know, nails it when they get up there, but we're gonna need to work on tempo. We're gonna need to work on focus. I want this for Golden.

• 31:39Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, uh, we gotta practice.

• 31:42Sean Fennessey?

  You're referring to EJ's acceptance speech.

• 31:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 31:46Sean Fennessey?

  One of the co-writers of Golden.

• 31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:48Sean Fennessey?

  And she spoke with a tremendous amount of sincerity and burst into tears.

• 31:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 31:52Sean Fennessey?

  And she said all she wanted to do when she grew up was be an idol. Now, if you've seen the film and you've heard the song "You're Idol."

• 31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:00Sean Fennessey?

  There's, there's some acknowledgement. She quoted her, herself in the speech.

• 32:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't have.

• 32:04Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was more the energy that was a little off.

• 32:05Amanda Dobbins?

  It was the energy. It was the pacing. Like I said, we gotta, we gotta practice and focus. It's okay to be surprised, but like, we do need to prepare for the inevitable Oscar win. So let's, let's, we've, we've learned, we're all about learning and growing here on The Big Picture.

• 32:23Sean Fennessey?

  You're not campaigning for Train Dreams from Train Dreams by Nick Cave? Uh, that was a perfectly predictable win.

• 32:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, we both did predict that.

• 32:34Sean Fennessey?

  Best original score you mentioned, Ludwig Gohansson from Sinners won this. We didn't see it. You predicted this.

• 32:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:40Sean Fennessey?

  Um, best original screenplay.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:43Sean Fennessey?

  Best screenplay, period. Only one screenplay category at the Golden Globes. Um, we both predicted Ryan Coogler.

• 32:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 32:49Sean Fennessey?

  Because I think we were trying to account for the, you can't just give cinematic and box office achievement to

• 32:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 32:58Sean Fennessey?

  just Sinners and that be the only award they win. They surely wouldn't do that, right? Um.

• 33:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, because I, I do think, we think it has a real chance in original screenplay at the Oscars.

• 33:10Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a frontrunner.

• 33:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I feel it's a frontrunner. Um, obviously, one battle after another is considered an adaptation, but they were competing against each other in this category. Paul Thomas Anderson won for one battle. I loved this speech.

• 33:22Amanda Dobbins?

  It was wonderful. Yeah.

• 33:23Sean Fennessey?

  Talked a lot about how he's a magpie and that he steals from everybody. And he cited stealing from Shayla McHale, um, also known as Jungle Pussy, who's in a film. And a line from her, which appears on the note that, um, Tiana Taylor's character writes. Talked about Nina Simone, Thomas Pynchon, of course, whose novel he worked on, um, he adapted. So I thought that was a really, really good speech.

• 33:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Sean Fennessey?

  Very low key. PTA was very subdued tonight. Very easygoing.

• 33:48Amanda Dobbins?

  He cradled both awards like little babies.

• 33:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he said, I got a, I got a GG.

• 33:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. That's cute.

• 33:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It was nice.

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  It was a nice moment. I do think that he and, and Ryan Coogler are the strong front runners in those categories. Best performance by a female actor, musical, or comedy. Now, you predicted Rose Byrne and she did win. I picked it Emma Stone because I was like, I don't know what's going on here. Maybe this will happen.

• 34:12Amanda Dobbins?

  And as we discussed, begonias like is rising.

• 34:15Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's just, it's just been very consistent at all of the

• 34:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, various guilds. And I was just talking with my wife, Eileen, this morning, and she just watched it last night. She was like, that begonias, pretty good. You know, she was like, just like any other person I met where I was like, I liked that a lot.

• 34:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. It's pretty good.

• 34:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's very solid.

• 34:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And as you have pointed out, like Emma Stone is, you know, in this, in the strip zone. And if she, if she's in a movie, people are gonna, people are gonna pay attention. She's really liked and respected in the industry. Yorgos Lanthimos is also really liked and respected and.

• 34:46Sean Fennessey?

  Julia Roberts gave Emma Stone a kind of

• 34:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of vague shout out like, Emma Stone.

• 34:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Sean Fennessey?

  You're here. Awesome. You know, didn't even, she didn't even know what to say.

• 34:54Amanda Dobbins?

  After Julia Roberts got her standing ovation for just being Julia Roberts.

• 34:58Sean Fennessey?

  But Emma Stone, you know, working, she's working, she's trying to split the atom of Julia and Meryl.

• 35:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Sean Fennessey?

  That's literally what she's trying to have in her career. I love her. Um, Rose Byrne won though, and I thought gave the speech of the night. I thought her speech was sincere, nice, thoughtful, uh, spoke to the film and how hard it was to make that film. Which is a very small, independent film. If I had legs, I'd kick you. And then just had some like daffy funny stuff at the end of it.

• 35:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I wrote it down. She, the last thing she said was, I want to thank my husband, Bobby Kenavale, who couldn't be here because we're getting a bearded dragon. And he went to a reptile expo in New Jersey. So thank you, baby. And then just wandered offstage as perfect.

• 35:34Sean Fennessey?

  Very great moment.

• 35:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, you know, done with perfect comedic timing, even though she was, I think she was surprised and

• 35:41Sean Fennessey?

  She seemed surprised.

• 35:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And moved and it like, but still found her way to talking about what it means for such a small film to win an award like this and the recognition. And then, you know, reptile expo forever.

• 35:52Sean Fennessey?

  She's been winning a lot.

• 35:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 35:55Sean Fennessey?

  Now.

• 35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I don't think it's-

• 35:56Sean Fennessey?

  Let's talk about it when we talk about Jessie Buckley.

• 35:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 35:58Sean Fennessey?

  Okay?

• 35:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:59Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I, I, I also love that movie. I think it's an amazing achievement. It doesn't work without her, obviously. The camera is on top of her face the whole time. I thought her shout out to Mary Bronson was really nice. You can see Mary Bronson was really moved in the audience. To me, this is the good of award shows.

• 36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:15Sean Fennessey?

  Is like, shine a light on a movie like this. Shine a light on sentimental value. Shine a light on a movie that you haven't heard of, that you might be interested in. It's like, this is the upside. I have some notes for the Golden Globes that we can talk about at the end of this show.

• 36:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:26Sean Fennessey?

  About what their value is and what their purpose is.

• 36:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Historically, they've been very receptive to those, so I think you should give them-

• 36:31Sean Fennessey?

  No, the problem is they've been too receptive. That's actually the issue, is they've been listening, and I'm worried about that. But we'll keep going through these categories. So, best performance by a male actor, musical or comedy.

• 36:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:45Sean Fennessey?

  I think this is where I was personally trying to manifest some drama.

• 36:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:48Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm fascinated by there being not the drama I thought there was gonna be. So Timothy Chalamet won-

• 36:54Amanda Dobbins?

  He did.

• 36:54Sean Fennessey?

  -in this category.

• 36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:55Sean Fennessey?

  And then he, he has given his second consecutive, fairly mild-mannered-

• 36:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Very subdued.

• 37:00Sean Fennessey?

  Reserved, humbled speech.

• 37:03Amanda Dobbins?

  In this speech, he talked about how his dad taught him the importance of gratitude.

• 37:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, he did, you know-

• 37:10Sean Fennessey?

  Would you say that's something that you practice?

• 37:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 37:14Sean Fennessey?

  Do you?

• 37:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't have a-

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  To whom?

• 37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't have a journal or anything, to myself, primarily.

• 37:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, of course you do, yeah. I'd like to thank myself for being myself.

• 37:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And to, oh, no, no, no, being thankful for other things, but I don't really share it. I don't write it down.

• 37:26Sean Fennessey?

  You don't-

• 37:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you keep a journal of any kind?

• 37:28Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, well, I have a-

• 37:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Your spreadsheets.

• 37:30Sean Fennessey?

  -dream journal in my mind.

• 37:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but you don't dream, so-

• 37:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's why I have it here. That's when I'm sitting back and thinking of my dreams. I have to put them somewhere in the brain bin.

• 37:40Amanda Dobbins?

  He like, he kinda made half a joke about, like, if you told young me that I'd be thanking Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank.

• 37:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 37:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That was at the end of thanking everyone in, in the cast. But it was, it was again, the energy's been turned way down. He's running from Marty Hauser.

• 37:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he turned back into Elio from Call Me By Your Name.

• 38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'm like, what happened, all the swagger? He really, he turns it off. Once the movie was a financial success, he was like, this is about keeping my head on straight and being a humble young man in the face of all of this adulation. Seems like it's gonna work.

• 38:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:17Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely seems like he has a very, very, very good chance to win this race.

• 38:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so too, yeah.

• 38:21Sean Fennessey?

  And that is historically anomalous. It is extremely rare for a young man to win Best Actor. Sometimes you'll find guys in their 40s, you know, Cillian Murphy just won for Oppenheimer recently after, you know, amassing a pretty good body of work. More often, it's an older actor who's been waiting a long time and getting their due.

• 38:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Leo had to wait a long time.

• 38:40Sean Fennessey?

  He did. And this would be interesting. We'll be talking about it a lot, obviously, for the next couple of months. But this is a big deal. This is a big win for him because, you know, he didn't win this last year either. Adrian Brody won this at the Globes and we thought, oh, maybe, you know, Timothy's gonna come from behind because he won SAG. But so this, this, now he's got a Globe. He's got an Actor Award and maybe soon an Oscar.

• 39:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No, Critics' Choice. He hasn't won.

• 39:03Sean Fennessey?

  No, he won the SAG Award last year. That was his speech for greatness.

• 39:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right. I thought you meant this year, but I think, but he's...

• 39:09Sean Fennessey?

  No, I mean, he won for A Complete Unknown.

• 39:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, right, right.

• 39:11Sean Fennessey?

  So on his shelf now, he has SAG, Critics' Choice, Globe.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do think for this year's SAG Awards, based on the nominees that we have, Wagner Moore is not in the, in the running because those are very American.

• 39:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 39:27Amanda Dobbins?

  So you can, that is maybe trending Timmy's, Timmy's way, I think.

• 39:31Sean Fennessey?

  This race is turning out to be, I've been trying to manifest the Leo win because I just, it just feels right to me in some ways. And maybe I'm just kind of responding to what I know about Oscar history instead of what the Oscars are now. But his kind of, um,

• 39:46Sean Fennessey?

  non-competitiveness in this race is kind of fascinating to me. The fact that I did share with you some odds over the weekend that I was looking at, which happened to be on Polymarket. Little did I know they would appear on the telecast tonight. And, and Timmy's way ahead. I mean, he's like 65%.

• 40:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:00Sean Fennessey?

  And, and I think Leo was, was at like 20% over the weekend. So... It's interesting. It kind of feels like the way we used to treat Leo and all these other races when he was nominated in the past, where I was like, ah, he's not gonna win. Be like, why not?

• 40:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I don't know whether some of it is just that we are in like the Marty Supreme surge right now, and it's been the month of Timmy and the, and the awards and all of the critics bodies did, you know, coincide with that.

• 40:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's right.

• 40:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And so one battle and is, is also like presumptive winner in so many categories that people are just kind of like, yeah, yeah, Leo, whatever. And sometimes it's, that's just the timing of how these things shake out.

• 40:36Sean Fennessey?

  It did feel like maybe Benicio del Toro or Sean Penn may have fallen victims of that as well. Cinematic and box office achievement.

• 40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:44Sean Fennessey?

  I picked Avatar. I was playing Fast and Loose there. Sinners, which was, you know, a completely inspired pick by you and was right.

• 40:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 40:52Sean Fennessey?

  And, uh, no, I don't, I don't, I don't love that being the only win besides Score.

• 40:58Amanda Dobbins?

  It's horrible.

• 40:59Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and the one other win not being on the telecast. It's like, it's not, that's not good.

• 41:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It's deeply insulting.

• 41:02Sean Fennessey?

  That's not good.

• 41:03Amanda Dobbins?

  The concept of this film, of this award is insulting. The fact that this and Score are the only two awards that Sinners took tonight.

• 41:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 41:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Is insulting.

• 41:11Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's something really interesting, and it's certainly ironic that a movie that was kind of like scolded and undermined around its box office potential in public by the trades and by box office analysts, went on to win this award. But also it kind of indicates this sort of, what feels a little paternalistic and it's like, okay, you got your box office now, be happy with that quality. You know, there's no way to like definitively affirm that that is what is going on, but it feels that way from the outside when you see this be the only major award that this film, which is gonna end up having a lot of Oscar nominations and is, you know, another kind of link in the chain of what Coogler is building. But like you saw Coogler on stage give his speech, he's the fucking man. Everybody loves him.

• 41:53Sean Fennessey?

  Like him and Chloe, Chloe Zhao shouting him out because they're old friends, because they were, worked at the Sundance Labs together like 15 years ago. He is a very beloved figure, but stuff like this where it's like a weird cabal of people and they're like, yeah, we'll give Sinners this weird award. Just kind of left a sour taste in my mouth.

• 42:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Agree.

• 42:11Sean Fennessey?

  Best director. Paul Thomas Anderson won again. We both predicted this. This is not surprising. I was doing, I was trying to do a lot of.

• 42:21Sean Fennessey?

  Math, strategy around what this category is going to look like at the Oscars. Because we got all these guild results. So we talked about this on the pre-show. If you heard it already, I apologize. But at DGA, the nominees were Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Guillermo del Toro, Chloe Zhao, and Josh Safdie.

• 42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 42:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's very exciting for Josh Safdie. We were pumped for him. We want him to get into this category. Joaquin Trier and Jafar Panahi were nominated tonight. Safdie was not nominated. And as you said, it was just an accident, got blanked. Sentimental value only won one award. Joaquin Trier made the shortlist for BAFTA, but Guillermo del Toro and Jafar Panahi did not.

• 43:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 43:02Sean Fennessey?

  And so it definitely seems like there's a world where Josh Safdie gets in, but more likely, as you pointed out, DGA usually gets four out of five, right? And then there's usually an international film that comes in. But maybe it was just an accident. It's not as strong as we thought.

• 43:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it's Joaquin Trier.

• 43:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Or maybe now everyone gets their, like, gets to be in their bonnet and is like, no, no, no. What about, it was just an accident. What about sentimental value, which has a lot of support?

• 43:26Sean Fennessey?

  Does.

• 43:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Like especially among, it was in the all the directors' favorite movie of the year list.

• 43:31Sean Fennessey?

  It was.

• 43:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Over and over and over again. So until, you know, 8:13 local time tonight, I was like, oh, so maybe the four out of five will be Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, del Toro, and Josh Safdie, and then Chloe Zhao's out. And then, of course, you know. And so I know that's wrong.

• 43:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I'll tell you who's vulnerable right now.

• 43:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:55Sean Fennessey?

  You might not think it, but Frankenstein had zero wins tonight.

• 43:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. It's very strange.

• 44:01Sean Fennessey?

  And del Toro not on the BAFTA long list, which is 10 filmmakers, is odd. Very odd. And him getting into DGA is not shocking because he has a tremendous amount of support in America. He's obviously a Mexican filmmaker, but he has been working in America for a very long time. And, you know, he has a whole community of other directors. He's like James Cameron's best friend, who's a filmmaker that he talked about. James talked about that on The Town with Matt. And so that's kind of an interesting one to parse out. I look forward to seeing what happens on the 22nd with that one because that fifth slot could be any number of films and might be indicative of other aspects of the race. PTA won, gave a great speech.

• 44:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Lovely.

• 44:40Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he dedicated this speech to two people. If you heard me talk about how One Battle After Another got made on our One Battle Mailbag episode, about how his long relationship with Mike DeLuca

• 44:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:53Sean Fennessey?

  kind of allowed for a movie like this to come along some 30 years after they made Boogie Nights together. He talked in depth about how DeLuca has been an avid supporter of his, a kind of benefactor in some ways for many of his films over the years. And then he went on to thank Adam Sumner, to whom One Battle is dedicated. That's a longtime assistant director who worked with Steven Spielberg

• 45:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 45:15Sean Fennessey?

  and PTA and a number of other people and died last year, very tragically. And so I thought that was also a very nice speech.

• 45:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was lovely.

• 45:24Sean Fennessey?

  Best motion picture animated?

• 45:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:27Sean Fennessey?

  The winner was Elio. It was really exciting. Congrats to the producers of Elio.

• 45:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No, it was K-Pop Demon Hunters.

• 45:35Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, right.

• 45:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:36Sean Fennessey?

  Right. That's great.

• 45:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Ted Sarandos stood up, standing ovation for that one.

• 45:41Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 45:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:42Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you to Sony Pictures Animation as well.

• 45:46Sean Fennessey?

  Best motion picture, non-English language.

• 45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:50Sean Fennessey?

  Now, you chose The Secret Agent.

• 45:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I did.

• 45:52Sean Fennessey?

  I chose It Was Just an Accident.

• 45:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 45:55Sean Fennessey?

  I think we both had the same thought, which is like, it was just an accident, it has to get a big win here.

• 45:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I mean, it was nominated in so many categories. Yep. And it did win the Palme d'Or.

• 46:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, it is sort of strange that it got blanked.

• 46:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, so this was my thinking here.

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yours was also very sound. And The Secret Agent, of course, did win.

• 46:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 46:12Sean Fennessey?

  It has now won the New York Film Critics Circle Award

• 46:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:15Sean Fennessey?

  for international non-English language.

• 46:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:17Sean Fennessey?

  The Los Angeles Film Critics, the National Society of Film Critics.

• 46:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 46:21Sean Fennessey?

  Critics' Choice.

• 46:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Sean Fennessey?

  And Globes. This is, if you had told me the day after Cannes ended,

• 46:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:29Sean Fennessey?

  even though that this film won Best Director, Kleber Mendoza-Filo won Best Director, and did Wagner Mar also win Best Actor at Cannes? I think he did.

• 46:38Sean Fennessey?

  Even still.

• 46:38Amanda Dobbins?

  He did.

• 46:39Sean Fennessey?

  He did. I would have thought either the Palme d'Or winner or the Grand Prix winner would be the frontrunner in this race. And The Secret Agent is the frontrunner in international right now. And that is very interesting. Kleber gave a speech that I thought was quite good, and just as it was starting to get going, they started playing him off. It was the only time someone was truly played off tonight.

• 46:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Sean Fennessey?

  And that was lame.

• 46:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredibly rude.

• 47:00Sean Fennessey?

  Really lame.

• 47:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I, all of the choices to kind of like, cut out the celebration of film and filmmakers sucked tonight, and they gotta do something about that. Any other thoughts about Secret Agent winning?

• 47:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Brazil.

• 47:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you fear it, but you respect it.

• 47:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I do. I acknowledge it, you know?

• 47:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's a large landmass.

• 47:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Underestimated at your peril.

• 47:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 47:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you think Neon will go five for five in this category? At the Oscars?

• 47:30Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 47:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:32Sean Fennessey?

  If I had to put money on it, I would probably put The Voice of Hendra Job in this category.

• 47:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah.

• 47:37Sean Fennessey?

  And say either one of Sirat or No Other Choice are out.

• 47:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:42Sean Fennessey?

  But I don't know.

• 47:43Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 47:43Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel?

• 47:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I think Neon is very good at this category.

• 47:48Sean Fennessey?

  I think-

• 47:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do wonder whether this is like, the conclusion of Neon Gaming, the international feature category, and then they redo it. But like, no disrespect, like they've-

• 47:56Sean Fennessey?

  I love what they're doing with getting these films in front of people.

• 47:58Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really cool.

• 47:59Sean Fennessey?

  I was mentioning that No Other Choice did really good business this weekend.

• 48:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:02Sean Fennessey?

  It was on like over 2,000 screens. It made almost $4 million. Like, it's doing really well, and I want for that. I do think it's a little weird to go to Cannes and just like, buy every movie you think's gonna win the Palm and be like, "We're gonna put all these out and it's gonna be okay." And then they all compete against each other all year long. It's a little weird.

• 48:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I say that more as like, we've talked about how they need to redo international feature as a category, and that it's-

• 48:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it should be one, like, one film per country, yeah.

• 48:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I completely agree, but so that, you know, maybe, you know, Neon's strategy has brought a lot of wonderful films. And I hope they keep doing that. And then maybe we also then redo that category slightly.

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• 50:24Sean Fennessey?

  Best performance by a female actor in a drama?

• 50:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 50:28Sean Fennessey?

  Jessie Buckley was predicted by both of us and she won.

• 50:31Amanda Dobbins?

  She did.

• 50:32Sean Fennessey?

  She gave a nice speech. Um, very sincere. She seemed surprised, which is a little hard to believe.

• 50:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she was visibly shaking in one of the camera angles. So I think it is probably pretty stressful to get up in front of all of those people and know that you're being watched by millions more and have to give a speech.

• 50:50Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 50:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I would, I would find it stressful.

• 50:53Sean Fennessey?

  You think you'll win a Golden Globe?

• 50:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, actually.

• 50:56Sean Fennessey?

  You don't?

• 50:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Because I don't really, I don't know if I have a spare five.

• 50:59Sean Fennessey?

  Make a note of that.

• 50:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't, I don't have a spare, what is it? 5,000 or what?

• 51:03Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, to submit?

• 51:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's going to preschool.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  I'm looking forward to being on stage next year.

• 51:11Sean Fennessey?

  You'll be winning? What will you be winning for?

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Us three.

• 51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 51:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, for best podcast.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Ringer goes back to back.

• 51:16Sean Fennessey?

  You think they'll be submitting us?

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Yes, and I will be the one accepting the award, of course.

• 51:22Sean Fennessey?

  I fully accept that. I'm down with that, Jack. If we win, if we win.

• 51:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:25Sean Fennessey?

  It is my solemn promise to you, you will be the only person who speaks.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  Okay, sounds good.

• 51:31Sean Fennessey?

  Buckley versus Rose Byrne.

• 51:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I think we know it's gonna be Buckley, but I, I'm loving the Rose Byrne. I mean, if it's a, if it's a sudden,

• 51:44Amanda Dobbins?

  and this is not an exact comparison, but if, was it Olivia Colman defeating Glenn Close? You know, where it's at the last moment and then Olivia Colman just yelling, Lady Gaga is the last thing she said before she went off the stage. You know, there's like, there's a similar Coleman Rose Byrne energy to it. That's one of the great speeches. And she points at her husband being like, you're gonna cry.

• 52:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, so, so maybe you could have a late breaker in that way.

• 52:15Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, but you think Buckley all the way down?

• 52:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I think at this moment, where I placing money, which I'm not allowed to do because I'm a resident of California and also I do this job.

• 52:26Sean Fennessey?

  An employee of polymarket, yes.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  I meant to say earlier, I'm pretty sure there's a legal wraparound gray area thing where people in California can place wagers on polymarket. I'm not positive, but I think so.

• 52:37Amanda Dobbins?

  You mean polymarket is going around the law in some way?

• 52:41Speaker 04

  I am saying that.

• 52:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack, I'm shocked.

• 52:46Sean Fennessey?

  This is not a gambling podcast. The predictions are for fun.

• 52:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Sean Fennessey?

  We're not advising anyone spend any money on these things. We are merely talking with very strained and often inaccurate expertise.

• 53:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think, well, one of the things I liked related to this category was Julia Roberts shouting out Eva Victor. That was also a legitimately cool thing.

• 53:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:09Sean Fennessey?

  And another example of an extremely famous person showing love to a less famous person who made an indie film.

• 53:15Amanda Dobbins?

  She was doing it literally after the envelope had been opened.

• 53:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 53:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And she knew.

• 53:19Sean Fennessey?

  She was really, she was full Julia, I would say in that moment.

• 53:23Amanda Dobbins?

  It's powerful and we do, there's a reason that everyone stood up. I mean, I think we do all yearn for it, but she was like really.

• 53:30Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think they were standing because of the message of After the Hunt? Thank you for being so brave to tell us.

• 53:36Amanda Dobbins?

  We all understood what that epilogue was about.

• 53:40Sean Fennessey?

  If you had an affair with an older man as a young girl, you should definitely tape a photo of him to the bottom of your bathroom sink. That is the major takeaway.

• 53:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, when you have major ulcers and then are exposed and fired, you should go back to the Indian restaurant in New Haven with your nemesis and have an inconclusive tete a tete.

• 54:05Sean Fennessey?

  What an insane movie. If, if, if, if the makers of that film came and they sat down next to us and they said, we think this movie is so funny and we made it as a very arch satire. I would accept that and enjoy it more.

• 54:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:19Sean Fennessey?

  If there's any part of any of them that was like, we made points. We made, some points were made.

• 54:24Amanda Dobbins?

  As soon as Luca Guadagnino and Julia Roberts sit down in between us.

• 54:28Sean Fennessey?

  They've both been on this show.

• 54:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but if they, if they sat down together, whatever they say about that movie, we're like, uh huh.

• 54:35Sean Fennessey?

  You want them to sit in your bedroom is where you want them to sit. Okay.

• 54:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I want to get drunk with both of them and then go shopping.

• 54:43Sean Fennessey?

  Best performance by a male actor drama. Now, you were right on the money with this. I think I was definitely searching for some sort of mystery. Again, that swerve that I was thinking of by choosing Michael B. Jordan. There's nothing in the, in the, in the math that would have told me Michael B. Jordan was going to win here. But I was like, another famous person to get on stage, this could be a cool moment. But of course, Wagner Moore did win.

• 55:05Amanda Dobbins?

  He did.

• 55:05Sean Fennessey?

  Give a very nice speech.

• 55:08Sean Fennessey?

  Gave a Brazilian dedication at the end.

• 55:12Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I think he's thought to be in third place in this race. If the, if he had been nominated for a SAG Award, I would have said after this win, he's in second place.

• 55:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 55:21Sean Fennessey?

  SAG not super predictive because of its bias against non-English language films. I mentioned on the live show that for the ensemble award, they have only nominated one non-English speaking, non, one non-English language film in best ensemble in the last five years. And that film was Amelia Perez. So SAG is not predictive at all in these categories anymore.

• 55:45Sean Fennessey?

  So Wagner Moore is still in the game.

• 55:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:49Sean Fennessey?

  Gave a good speech, looked very good, like that suit.

• 55:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. No, he always looks amazing and like incredibly stylish. I was just looking up Glenn Close did win for the wife in this category.

• 55:59Sean Fennessey?

  At the Golden Globes.

• 56:00Amanda Dobbins?

  At the Screen Actors Guild. Yeah, so you know, it can still.

• 56:05Sean Fennessey?

  You just circled back to that seven minutes later?

• 56:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm just, it's like, there are people who win everything and then up comes Olivia Colman, you know? So this is genuinely quite stressful.

• 56:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know if I've ever heard you do British. What a moment.

• 56:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I've just watched that particular speech so many times, I can remember the intonation.

• 56:24Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay. That was great. Some voice work from you. My goodness. I won't be doing Wagner Moore's voice.

• 56:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I think that's good.

• 56:30Sean Fennessey?

  He's too silky. Best Motion Picture Musical or Comedy. One Battle After Another was predicted by both of us.

• 56:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It was.

• 56:36Sean Fennessey?

  It won. I don't think any other film had a chance here. How sad that Richard Linklater had to compete against himself in this category, canceling himself out, but going to Marty Supreme, no other choice. We're not truly contending here. I like what you said about Marty Supreme being, we're being right in the thick of that moment, though, and I'm very pleased with how successful the movie has been. It's really doing quite well at the box office.

• 56:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I've loved the moment. Let's keep the moment going.

• 56:57Sean Fennessey?

  Let's keep the moment going. Now, let's talk about Best Motion Picture Drama.

• 57:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Yeah.

• 57:02Sean Fennessey?

  I predicted sinners. You predicted it was just an accident.

• 57:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I was trying something.

• 57:07Sean Fennessey?

  We opened the show by talking about how Hamlet won.

• 57:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:10Sean Fennessey?

  Hamlet won.

• 57:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It did.

• 57:11Sean Fennessey?

  Hamlet versus One Battle. You think One Battle is still strong.

• 57:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And Hamlet won and the first person to speak was producer Steven Spielberg, which I understand. You lectured me in the room and you'll lecture me again about how it's tradition that producers accept and give the speech for Best Picture or Best Drama or whatever.

• 57:31Sean Fennessey?

  Let's talk about the word lecture for a second. I merely communicated facts.

• 57:37Sean Fennessey?

  This was not an extended monologue.

• 57:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 57:39Sean Fennessey?

  It was less than 30 seconds. It was less than 20 seconds.

• 57:42Amanda Dobbins?

  There was something in your manner.

• 57:45Sean Fennessey?

  But there's always something in my manner.

• 57:47Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's why I always respond to you in the way that I do. I understand that this is the precedent, like many precedents in our world. I think it's time to break it. And let's, we gotta, we gotta stop, even though it's Steven Spielberg.

• 58:01Sean Fennessey?

  The Federal Reserve is trying to uphold the rule of law right now. We're not breaking precedents, okay? The Senate needs to step up. They need to do what's right here. And you need to relax and let the Golden Globes continue to give awards to producers.

• 58:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I was happy to see Steven Spielberg. I like him as well. But it is a little disorienting also when it is someone as well-known for his own body of work and as someone who has received like a thousand awards to be up there accepting, the first person accepting award for him. And I was just like, sir, let the other people hold a statue.

• 58:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 58:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I think I just-

• 58:37Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, Coi Jiao did get a chance to speak.

• 58:39Amanda Dobbins?

  She did. And she, and she gave a nice speech. And as you said, she, you know, mentioned something that Paul Meskell had said to her and they had a very nice moment. He is, he didn't even say anything, but he is just an emotive treasure. And I, I'm a big fan. I, I would just, I, across all awards shows, producers, you know, smile and let other, and let other people speak.

• 59:03Sean Fennessey?

  When Steven Spielberg won Best Picture for Schindler's List.

• 59:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 59:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, the other producers were Gerald R. Mullen and Bronco Lustig.

• 59:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:11Sean Fennessey?

  And Steven Spielberg spoke first.

• 59:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well.

• 59:16Sean Fennessey?

  Spun that out there.

• 59:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 59:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't really think Hamnet's gonna happen, but I think that there's a campaign to be run here for sure.

• 59:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And you are now in charge of it. You've been hired. Congratulations.

• 59:27Sean Fennessey?

  By whom?

• 59:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You are Captain Hamnet. And why don't you tell people what your strategy is? To bring this searing work about the power of connection and ghost dead children to the world at large. These very cute little-

• 59:42Sean Fennessey?

  I'll tell you, I'll, I'll give you my tagline.

• 59:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:45Sean Fennessey?

  Here it is. Love has no equal.

• 59:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly the kind of thing that they do.

• 59:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That is some chat GPT shit that I've never.

• 59:53Sean Fennessey?

  One masterpiece after another.

• 59:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible. You know what? We were on planes recently. We got to go, we can, we shared on the pre-show why we're in New York. We're in New York for opening night of Bug, written by Tracy Letts, starring Carey Kuhn on Broadway. It ruled. It was so wonderful. We were so lucky to be there. We also got to, I got to observe the, the plane watching habits of people to and from New York. Um, a lot of sentimental value, a lot of weapons. But I also observed a new thing, which is people using chat GPT visibly on their computers and me just reading what they're doing. Because if you're.

• 1:00:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's not new, but that's new to you, I think.

• 1:00:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Use it. Well, I, I mean, I'm always looking at what people are doing on their computers. If you're on your computer on your plane, it's not a secure, uh.

• 1:00:39Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 1:00:40Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's not secure.

• 1:00:41Sean Fennessey?

  It's an open network.

• 1:00:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I'm sorry. That's just how it is.

• 1:00:43Sean Fennessey?

  Stop looking at porn on planes, people.

• 1:00:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But, but the, just like, I saw a lot of chat, chat GPT usage on these flights and it was always to be like, can you explain this news story to me?

• 1:00:55Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:00:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I was just like, this is we, we like, we have hit rock bottom.

• 1:00:59Sean Fennessey?

  With these whales.

• 1:01:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's literally what it was. And then it was like a lot of images. I can't believe this is what people are doing. Um, anyway. Yes, that sounds like a chat GPT slogan that you wrote on plane. Um, and congratulations on your Oscar, I guess.

• 1:01:15Sean Fennessey?

  Right here with my extremely powerful mind.

• 1:01:17Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:01:17Sean Fennessey?

  Which many are calling, uh.

• 1:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yep.

• 1:01:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So you think, so you think there's a campaign to be run?

• 1:01:28Sean Fennessey?

  I do, I do. I mean, I, to, to the point that we've been making about Shakespeare in Love versus Saving Private Ryan, the sort of like, the masculine cinematic achievement, the like, the longtime hero of bro cinema against a story of, um, family and grief and the act of creativity, which is really what Hamlet is.

• 1:01:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:01:51Sean Fennessey?

  Um, whether you like it or not, subjectively.

• 1:01:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the ending is.

• 1:01:55Sean Fennessey?

  They are similar and they are different, right? Their, their movie's about families.

• 1:01:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Sean Fennessey?

  Their movie is about loss. Their movie is about the absence of critical figures in your life and what comes out of that. Like what is born out of that kind of loss? And so they're, they're this, you know, funhouse mirror image of each other.

• 1:02:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I will say something that I have been hearing a lot from, just. Is like people I've been talking to and people who listen to the show like I'm afraid to watch Hamlet. Like, do I have to? I don't want to. Like, maybe I just don't have to experience it. And I do wonder if there is.

• 1:02:24Sean Fennessey?

  Artists are not like that.

• 1:02:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:02:27Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think. You think artists are like that?

• 1:02:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 1:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  Artists are like, lay it on me.

• 1:02:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, like artists are like that, but artists and Academy voters, it's, you know, it's not like a one to one overlap.

• 1:02:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's interesting. I'm close. I was just general reputation is fascinating. She's obviously won Best Picture already and Best Director. It does feel a bit like Nomadland's kind of memory hold because it was the first Best Picture after, you know, in the midst of the pandemic. And it's a movie that I've always liked and have always defended. And I like her as a filmmaker despite the Eternals debacle. There was a lot about Hamlet that I didn't like, and there was a lot that I did like. And so to me, I don't view it as like the enemy of the season. But I have so much affection for One Battle.

• 1:03:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Sean Fennessey?

  And I loved Sinners, too. So.

• 1:03:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was nuts for Marty Supreme.

• 1:03:11Sean Fennessey?

  Right. So, but and so like Hamlet like kind of.

• 1:03:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 1:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  You know, mousing its way to the top is not, is not what I want to see as a fan. But it wouldn't stun me. It would, you have to, you have to see it's in the realm of possibility.

• 1:03:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Absolutely. Yes, it's in the realm of possibility. I, again, this is not a gambling podcast. But I, um, once I circumvent the, you know, rules of the state of California and place my polymarket bets, I'm not putting them on Hamlet at this moment.

• 1:03:41Sean Fennessey?

  Let me just think back to the year when Oppenheimer was the big dog.

• 1:03:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:44Sean Fennessey?

  Um, the musical or comedy winner that year was Poor Things, which we never considered having a chance.

• 1:03:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:03:51Sean Fennessey?

  Oppenheimer was a total behemoth and the other contenders that year, including Barbie, just didn't, were not really stacking up in the race.

• 1:04:00Sean Fennessey?

  It has felt like One Battle is obviously a lot like Oppenheimer.

• 1:04:02Amanda Dobbins?

  But Poor Things is a, Poor Things won in musical or comedy over Barbie and Barbie got the comedy. So Hamlet is not unlike the, the Poor Things of this year in that Sinners took the box office award and then they gave something slightly more quote unquote prestigious in corsets.

• 1:04:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:04:23Amanda Dobbins?

  The best. Drama or best.

• 1:04:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so.

• 1:04:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Best picture award.

• 1:04:28Sean Fennessey?

  I'm glad you framed that that way. That that leads to kind of my entree, like our final discussion here, which is kind of what is this award show right now? Because for three consecutive years, we've jumped on after the nominations were announced. And maybe me more than you, but I've kind of consistently been like, so this is just like a critics group giving away awards to cool movies. And that is a good thing. And like I like I said, I love the idea of Rose Byrne winning on national television for a movie. Like if I had legs, I'd kick you. And if people go seek it out, that's wonderful. Eva Victor getting a shout out, that's great. You know, Ryan Coogler getting to speak at length on television, regardless of whatever award he's winning. That's that's great.

• 1:05:06Sean Fennessey?

  But it feels very same same right now. It feels very like.

• 1:05:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:10Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of one critics body after another, like a very like, everything is very similar. And this includes One Battles, you know, epic success, which I which I root for, but I also think is kind of dull.

• 1:05:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Sean Fennessey?

  And a lot of my picks, as I said, were kind of this like gesture of like, can we break the wheel of how this season has been going? And there were a couple, right? Still in Skarsgård was a shift.

• 1:05:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:05:35Sean Fennessey?

  But aside from that.

• 1:05:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Sean Fennessey?

  Not a lot to inspire confidence that this award show does anything other than calcify, rather than redefine.

• 1:05:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I I would I would put it a different way, which is that we're basically just platforming the award season now. And these things start small and with us and and limited release and with critics groups. And they start to get some attention. And hopefully you get people in the you get a centers or you even get a Marty Supreme. But that this is the stage where you suddenly you put, if I had legs, I'd kick you in front of a larger audience. You put Hamlet, I guess, in front of a growing audience and.

• 1:06:16Sean Fennessey?

  That movie's only made 11 million dollars.

• 1:06:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, and it really is that this show, we make a lot of fun of the show of the Golden Globes. I think rightfully so, as like a foreplay, you know, a paid a pay to play environment. And I mean, it is like advert, it's it's everything is on display here, you know, and they've added, you know, more categories to just try to get more. There there are TV people there just because you also want TV things. So it really is just like, here are wares.

• 1:06:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And this, I guess, the state of movies in particular are such that. I don't know, you you you get shiny things and then hopefully people then do also pay attention to the if I had legs, I'd kick you and the sorry babies and the somethings of the world, but it's really just functioning as advertising at this point.

• 1:07:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think it always was, but there's no chaos, I think is the thing that I'm looking for. I think I'm looking and and chaos doesn't have to automatically mean Jared Jared Leto and the little things, right? It doesn't have to mean something that's buffoonish, you know?

• 1:07:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:07:17Sean Fennessey?

  It it could be, this is a show where Weapons wins awards.

• 1:07:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:22Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it could be this is a show where F1 wins awards. That would be considered a little bit more ridiculous, maybe, but like, I think it's an opportunity to change up and be a little different. And I guess last year was a little bit different, right? Because The Brutalist did win two awards and Enora was not as dominant and that ultimately had no impact. So I don't want to overstate my concern. But I think in terms of the films that are identified and supported, what the nominees turn out to be, the fact that there are six nominees in categories instead of five, means the pool is really wide. There's kind of like very few people get cut out of these races now.

• 1:07:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 1:07:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So what you're saying is you wish Kate Hudson had won over Rose Byrne?

• 1:08:00Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't say that. But I like that movie. That's a small movie. That's not a big movie.

• 1:08:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:08:04Sean Fennessey?

  That's not that's not wicked for good. That's a that's a, you know, a family drama.

• 1:08:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That's something that we identified as like a classic, a Golden Globes of your win.

• 1:08:13Sean Fennessey?

  Because it's like, you know, a gal you love singing in a movie. That's that's why it's globes. And it's kind of got like what feels like a sheen on it. But then you watch the movie and it's about like, poor people living in the middle of the country trying to survive. Like, it's not, it's an awards movie ultimately. So I like that they're identifying those films. I like that they're celebrating the movies that we also like. I hope this doesn't seem incoherent. I think it's just a little bit more fun when there's a little differentiation. And I am starting to feel an agglomeration around award season. And that that may be why I think I I just just get a little bored through through part of it. And part of it is because I'm thinking about it too much.

• 1:08:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think for most people, they're kind of logging on right now. And they're like, oh, okay.

• 1:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And last.

• 1:08:55Sean Fennessey?

  Rose Byrne made a movie?

• 1:08:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Sean Fennessey?

  Cool. I like her.

• 1:08:57Amanda Dobbins?

  What's that about?

• 1:08:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Is it like Neighbors?

• 1:09:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Sort of.

• 1:09:02Sean Fennessey?

  In a way. Any closing thoughts on this the show tonight?

• 1:09:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I liked the soundtrack.

• 1:09:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Do we know who DJed?

• 1:09:12Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, DJ Khalid.

• 1:09:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  It was DJ Khalid. He did a great job. I gotta laugh out of Jack on that one.

• 1:09:18Amanda Dobbins?

  You gotta laugh out of me, too. I laughed.

• 1:09:20Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks. Uh, yeah, it was a really, really good soundtrack if you are the DJ at a pool at a hotel in Miami. Just absolutely perfect.

• 1:09:30Amanda Dobbins?

  No, they're playing, they're playing like the Serat score.

• 1:09:33Sean Fennessey?

  Sorry, I meant a, uh, senior citizens hotel at a pool in Miami.

• 1:09:37Amanda Dobbins?

  At Amanda's 42nd birthday party.

• 1:09:40Sean Fennessey?

  What are you doing for your birthday? It's eight months from now.

• 1:09:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you'll be on vacation, apparently, so.

• 1:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  I'm thinking about it, yeah. It might be, it might be in New York at that time.

• 1:09:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:09:50Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, but what are you gonna do without me?

• 1:09:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you know, the tequila shots and, uh, and, and ushers, yeah, you know, ATL, baby.

• 1:10:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, when I think of ATL, I think of you dancing. Um, so we have an auction later this week.

• 1:10:07Amanda Dobbins?

  We do.

• 1:10:08Sean Fennessey?

  Our first auction of the year. Have you thought at all about the results of last year?

• 1:10:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I, yeah, I got absolutely hosed. And I know I didn't even get absolutely hosed, I hosed myself.

• 1:10:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:10:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's fine.

• 1:10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:10:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, we have to make choices. Okay?

• 1:10:23Sean Fennessey?

  You're losing it now, it's coming apart. You were held strong for a while. It is 9:37 PM. We spent the morning at a toddler birthday party. There was a bounce house.

• 1:10:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I went out last night.

• 1:10:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:10:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I was this close to Benicio.

• 1:10:38Sean Fennessey?

  You were in New York 48 hours ago?

• 1:10:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But no, so back to the auction, I'm obviously in, you know, quiet moments.

• 1:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  Hold it together, we're almost there.

• 1:10:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Thought about what happened.

• 1:10:49Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:10:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Thought about where I quote unquote went wrong.

• 1:10:53Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh, this is like a woman talking about her divorce.

• 1:11:00Amanda Dobbins?

  But, you know, just like to really bring it back to like.

• 1:11:05Sean Fennessey?

  This is you in therapy, right? Where you're like laugh crying through talking at through every event of your life.

• 1:11:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You think I ever cried in therapy, then you really don't understand my emotional state.

• 1:11:17Amanda Dobbins?

  But to bring it back to like the Pinterest, you know, slogans or whatever, I, I wouldn't take anything back, you know?

• 1:11:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we know you don't apologize for being an idiot.

• 1:11:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I had to make the choices I needed to make.

• 1:11:29Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think any, I think all of us made mistakes. We will recap the mistakes that we made and the successes that we had with the auction, and we'll auction off new movies. I do like the rules that we invented last year. I think we'll stick with those rules.

• 1:11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I hated them.

• 1:11:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, well, you failed at them, so that's why I don't like them.

• 1:11:44Amanda Dobbins?

  You all sprung them on me and then I was like, well, now I gotta, you know, I just like, I don't care what all the Thunderbolts kids want to see or whatever.

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  The Thunderbolts kids?

• 1:11:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, all the children who are like, we're going to see Thunderbolts.

• 1:11:55Sean Fennessey?

  That is not a sector of people. You just made that up.

• 1:11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I want to, I want to make my choice.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, we gotta, uh, take Amanda back to the recharge factory. She's run out of gas, so.

• 1:12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I, I want to live by my truths. Okay.

• 1:12:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Jack, what was your favorite moment from the night? Oh, man. Was it the five minutes when we talked about whether Kyle Tucker's going to the Mets? That was by far my favorite moment of the night. Yeah, that was pretty good. Do you think that's gonna happen? Just put it on the record right now. Yes or no, Kyle Tucker to the Mets? No. I agree.

• 1:12:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Where does he play now?

• 1:12:35Sean Fennessey?

  He was a Chicago Cub, longtime Houston Astro. He's an outfielder.

• 1:12:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:39Sean Fennessey?

  Very good baseball player. A cheat, uh, I believe that predates his time with the Astros.

• 1:12:44Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:12:45Sean Fennessey?

  Or he may have been in the farm system at that point.

• 1:12:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:47Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, very, very talented hitter. And we sure could use him, because right now, we are dog shit.

• 1:12:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. Okay, it's, we, we can't really start talking, when's spring training?

• 1:12:58Sean Fennessey?

  Six weeks.

• 1:12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, that's nice.

• 1:13:00Sean Fennessey?

  Coming up pretty soon. Less, less than six weeks. Pitchers and catchers, 25 days.

• 1:13:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 1:13:04Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 1:13:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't they need to rest their shoulders a little more?

• 1:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  Well, the Mets have been sitting for some time. They do not qualify for the playoffs this year, so they're, they should be ready to go. Uh, thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Amanda, thanks to you.

• 1:13:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Thanks, John.

• 1:13:17Sean Fennessey?

  You really, you stepped up big time.

• 1:13:20Sean Fennessey?

  Hang in there, mama. We'll see you guys later this week.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

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