Should I Press Pause? | Monday Advice

Sometimes the best way to get unstuck is to press pause on your busy life and take a moment to look toward new possibilities. But how is this possible if you can’t afford to literally stop everything and get away? In this episode, Cal explores different strategies for taking what he calls “mini-pauses” that can be integrated into even the most unforgiving of schedules. Below are the questions covered in today's episode (with their timestamps). Get your questions answered by Cal! Here’s the link: https://bit.ly/3U3sTvo Video from today’s episode: youtube.com/calnewportmedia (0:00) Should I press pause? (10:46) Make a morning coffee shop loop (11:33) Schedule a “doctors appointment” (12:48) Book a 24-hour escape (13:41) Fly to Asheville (18:13) What will be your approach to your upcoming sabbatical? (21:03) Can you elaborate on the “think” component of read-think-write? (28:55) What types of books do you read before bed? Links: Buy Cal’s latest book, “Slow Productivity” at www.calnewport.com/slow Get a signed copy of Cal’s “Slow Productivity” at https://peoplesbooktakoma.com/event/cal-newport/ Cal’s monthly book directory: bramses.notion.site/059db2641def4a88988b4d2cee4657ba? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omni_Grove_Park_Inn#/media/File:Grove_Park_Inn_-_Sunset_Terrace.jpg Thanks to our Sponsors: This episode is sponsored by Better Help: https://www.betterhelp.com/deepquestions https://www.factormeals.com/deep50off https://www.mybodytutor.com https://www.calderlab.com/deep Thanks to Jesse Miller for production and mastering, Jay Kerstens for the intro music, and Nate Mechler for research and newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Cal Newport?

  I'm not recording this from my normal studio in Washington DC. I'm actually in Asheville, North Carolina. I'm staying here in a mountain lodge where F. Scott Fitzgerald supposedly wrote part of The Great Gatsby. Now, for those who are interested, here's what it looks like. I'm here to finish edits on my next book and to visit with some writer friends to help figure out our future in the publishing industry. Now, there's a name for this strategy. I pressed pause on the busyness of my normal life to find space to think deeply about what comes next. I actually do this on a regular basis. It's something that has been immensely important in my life. So here's the key questions you might be asking.

• 0:43Cal Newport?

  Is this something that you should be thinking about doing? And if so, how is it possible to press pause if you don't actually have the ability at the moment to just drop everything and escape to the mountains? Well, it's Monday, which means it's time for an advice episode of this show, which makes this the perfect opportunity to go seek some answers. So here's the plan. I'll argue why pressing pause has become so necessary in our current moment of digital distraction. Then I'll explore some ideas for how to achieve the benefits of this general strategy, even if you're not able to go on an epic trip. So if you feel like you're stuck, always busy, always distracted, but not really making

• 1:27Cal Newport?

  progress towards a deeper life, then this episode is for you. As always, I'm Cal Newport, and this is Deep Questions, the show for people seeking depth in a distracted world.

• 1:48Cal Newport?

  All right, so I'm recording this in the evening. Let me tell you what I did today up in Asheville. I woke up early. The entire mountain top at the lodge where I was staying was shrouded in fog. So I brewed some coffee and I went for a walk to do some thinking. There's a nice little footpath at my resort that winds up on a nearby hillside. I then did some work on my book in a, I don't know how to explain this. It's like a rock hued atrium overlooking the mountainside with an artificial waterfall falling. So it's an interesting place to get something done. After that, I met up with some of my writer friends at a local gym. We're a trainer that some of us know. Shout out to Zach of Strength Ratio. Put us through a workout that I'll be honest with you.

• 2:32Cal Newport?

  Still has left me sore. Don't even talk to me about pendulum squats. I, it's too soon for me to go there again. Then we relocated as a group to an office to brainstorm and chat about what's going on in our careers, the things that worry us about publishing, our plans for continuing to thrive in this industry. In some sense, let's step back. In some sense, this day was remarkably unproductive in the sense that I didn't actually finish a lot of work or answer a lot of messages or otherwise, as they say, get after it. But in another sense, today was remarkably productive. I've had a demanding semester and it really wore me down. I was wearing a lot of hats. I was really busy and I felt stuck on a lot of the bigger things I cared about. This trip is helping me get unstuck.

• 3:17Cal Newport?

  The three days I spend down here will yield benefits for many months to follow. These are the types of rewards you get from pressing pause. The big issue here, of course, is that most people don't have the ability, as we said, to simply drop everything and step away from their jobs and their responsibilities to regroup. So to figure out if it's possible, this is our challenge here, to figure out if it's possible for you to achieve most of the benefits of pressing pause without major disruptions in your life. We should start by trying to identify more precisely exactly what it is we're trying to achieve. And then we can step back and say, what are some alternative ways, some alternative strategies for getting these same benefits? All right.

• 4:02Cal Newport?

  I got three benefits of pressing pause that I want to identify here.

• 4:06Cal Newport?

  Number one, your brain struggles to think when it must be constantly context shifting, right? So when you are in a busy, normal day, you constantly have to shift your cognitive context from one target to another because we're busy, especially in the age of digital. There's text messages, there's emails, there's Slack messages, there's social media, there's news streams, there's podcasts. All of this is pulling out our attention all the time. We're jumping back and forth. A brain that is constantly switching its context has a hard time thinking well. There's terminology I use in my books where I say context shifting leads to reduced cognitive capacity. It's a way of saying, when your mind is busy, it gets dumber.

• 4:46Cal Newport?

  When you press pause and you get away from this busyness, you in a quite literal sense get smarter. Your IQ goes up because you are not reducing your cognitive context with all capacity with all that context shifting. All right. The second specific benefit from pressing pause. New physical context can support new ideas and insights. When you're surrounded by the familiar, your brain is firing familiar circuits. When you're in a novel situation, other parts of your brains turn on. And more importantly, networks that are associated, semantic networks that are associated with normal things in your everyday life, don't fire up, which leaves you more capacity for original thought.

• 5:28Cal Newport?

  I actually talked about this a little bit in my book, Slow Productivity, where I talked about the unusual locations that professional writers sometimes go to to help do their writing. One of the examples was Maya Angelou would go to a motel, take the pictures off the wall and write on the bed. Why would they do this? Well, in the book, I made the neuroscientific argument that when you're not seeing things that you're used to, that cue thoughts that you're used to, you have more clarity on the new, you have more clarity on the novel. If you're just at home going through your day, you could be trying to have big thoughts, but you're going to see the laundry pile and you're going to think about laundry and you are going to see your baseball hat and think about the baseball game you're coaching the next day and you're going to see whatever.

• 6:11Cal Newport?

  Your dog walked by and you're going to be like, oh yeah, I gotta take the dog to the vet. Suddenly, a lot of your brain is caught up with the familiar. So you go to the unfamiliar, you have more of your brain open for thinking in more original ways. All right, the third benefit from pressing pause, you need to distance yourself from your present. To better see your future. All right. When you are in the normal things you do, it is hard to think about different futures because your brain says, we've got things we need to do. This is what we care about right now. So try to squeeze out original thoughts about what do I want in my life? What could happen? Where am I trying to go? It's really hard when the things you need to do are all around you right now.

• 6:56Cal Newport?

  Our brains do not like to do future forecasting when there's present challenges that we face. When you press pause, you're hoping to get some distance from this present so that you can look outwards towards more interesting futures that you would otherwise not have noticed. Now, I'm clearly enjoying all these benefits down on my current pause I'm taking in Asheville. If you go off on an epic trip, all three of those benefits will clearly be delivered, right? I've tried to distilled what it was about my trip that's giving me the rewards that I was seeking. But now that we know that this is what we're going for, these three things, we can actually come up with alternative strategies to get these benefits that will be less disruptive. We can think of these almost as like mini pauses.

• 7:41Cal Newport?

  So what I want to do here is I want to go through four different levels of pauses that you can implement, four different ideas, and I'm going to order these from least disruptive to most disruptive, okay? The least disruptive will barely change your day. The level four most disruptive pause type will be what I'm doing now. So I want to give you a spectrum of different ways of pressing pause that, as we'll see afterwards, all of which to some degree will give you the benefits of pausing, but with a varied levels of disruption. We're going to take a real quick break to hear from some of the sponsors that make this show possible.

• 8:20Speaker 01

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• 8:50Cal Newport?

  All right, let's get into this. Level one. Make a morning coffee shop loop. All right, here's how this strategy works. First thing in the morning, you might even want to wake up 20 minutes earlier than you normally would to make this work. First thing in the morning, early in the morning. Go to a coffee shop. Okay. Once there, get whatever, coffee, tea, whatever it is you normally drink. Go for a walk.

• 9:16Cal Newport?

  In that walk. Back at the coffee shop. Okay, so you go for a walk with your coffee, with your tea. And then take out your journal to write down the, whatever thoughts you had on that walk. Right, so you're there early, and then you start your day. This is before you do anything else in your day. You get out of bed, throw on a hat, water, boom. Right out to the coffee shop. That's level one. From a disruption scale. All right, level two on the disruption scale for pressing pause. Schedule a doctor's appointment. For those who are listening instead of watching, I am doing furious air quotes as I say doctor's appointment. So what I'm talking about here is you just, you're gonna leave work early. People say, can I ever leave work early? Well, you do leave work early. You leave work early when you have a doctor's appointment. So you're able to do it. Most people at least.

• 10:00Cal Newport?

  So you choose a day in the future, and like, I'm gonna have to leave it to this day or whatever. Like, people don't care. You're taking a few hours off. All right, this will be your doctor's appointment. Do a full shutdown before you go. Do not leave any open loops, like, oh my god, there's emails I have to answer, people are waiting for things, you know. Go through, have a plan for the next day. Shut down any open loops, check out your inbox, look at your calendar. You want to make sure that you've got that off your mind. Then during your quote-unquote doctor's appointment. Go somewhere that, nearby, but that you've never been before. A little museum people have been talking about that you never got around to visiting. There's a lake 20 minutes out of town with like a walking path around that you've heard about but never been there. Go somewhere you've never been before. If possible, leave your phone in your car once you're there.

• 10:43Cal Newport?

  And then go wherever this place is, you know, walking around the lake, going through this museum, go to this novel place, spend an hour or two. Bring your journal. Write down your thoughts.

• 10:53Cal Newport?

  Alright, let's ratchet up the disruption level to be a little higher. Level 3 of disruption. Book a 24-hour escape. Now, what I mean by this is I actually want you to book an Airbnb or hotel room, someplace that's near-ish by, within a few hours, okay? You're gonna leave after work. You're gonna drive out to wherever this place is. You'll stay in that Airbnb or hotel room that night. You will then spend the whole next day into the afternoon just being in this place. It's a new city, or maybe you got an Airbnb that's in the countryside somewhere, on the shore, whatever. Spend time in that place. You can keep coming back to the Airbnb throughout the day to do some journaling,

• 11:36Cal Newport?

  and then come home like you would at like the end of a workday. So you have to like take a one full personal day to make this particular strategy happen, and you have like a night where you're staying somewhere. Alright, level 4 disruption, fly to Asheville. You don't have to literally come to Asheville, but you do something like that. You fly somewhere that is notably novel, or beautiful, or aesthetic, or interesting, and you spend a few days there, and you really like get into like what's going on, like what do I want to do with my life, alright? 4 levels of disruption. These are all different options for pressing pause. Now, if we go back and address the 3 benefits that we identified before, you'll see that all of these pausing strategies

• 12:20Cal Newport?

  touch on these benefits one way or the other, just to different degrees. Like our first benefit was the idea that a less distracted brain thinks better. Well, all of these pause strategies are going to help you reduce context shifting, right? In the morning coffee shop loop, you haven't done anything yet in the day. The day hasn't begun, so you don't have any thoughts on your mind, yet to distract you, you haven't encountered anything. You have a clear mind, so you're taking advantage of that. When you book a doctor's appointment, you do a shutdown of your work, so you don't have open loops, and you leave the phone in the car. And your brain has less to context shift for, so you're gonna get more of the benefits of not having to do that. And then obviously, if you're driving to a new place, and you're staying in a new hotel or Airbnb, you're really wiping the brain. I'm in a completely new place.

• 13:06Cal Newport?

  You're in a place where you don't have your normal responsibilities. Alright, the second benefit we talked about was the idea that new physical environments invite new insights. All 3 of these has you do something novel. The least obvious novelty here is the coffee shop loop. But what's novel here is not the coffee shop. You may have been there before. In fact, you're going there maybe like every day for a week. Maybe you've done the walk route around the coffee shop before. What's novel is being there so early. What's novel is before like my kids are even up. I'm in the coffee shop with like the old person crowd early in the morning, writing a journal. I've never done that before. That's where the novelty comes from that one. The final benefit was distance from the present helps you reveal the future. All of these knock you out of your normal routine.

• 13:49Cal Newport?

  Whether you're in the early morning sun, walking with your coffee, which is what you don't normally do. Or you've taken the afternoon off, or you're in the novel city, or you're in Asheville. You've stepped out of things you normally do. Which gives you a better chance of actually seeing the future. All right, so depending on how much time you have available, there is some variation of pressing pause that you can actually do. And there's a final question here that we have to address. Every one of those scenarios, I just said pretty cursily, like, eh, write in your journal. What are you actually doing during these various pauses? What questions are you answering? What are you actually writing in your journal? Well, let me tell you my suggestions. What I'm doing here in Asheville. Number one, you ask yourself what parts of my life are going well? Write those down.

• 14:34Cal Newport?

  Why you want gratitude? It's a great foundation for all of this. You know, that really is going well. I have some time to reflect away from the busyness. And I can just sit with a little bit of gratitude about parts of my life that I actually like. Once you've laid that foundation. The second thing you're going to address in your journal. What parts of my life are not going well? Where do I feel stuck? Like professionally, do I feel trapped? Is it, uh, do I have these certain ambitions that I had as a young person? That aren't coming true? Like wherever it is. This is where some of the more serious work happens. Now, here's what I want you to do. Take each of these items where you feel stuck and maybe you're just gonna look at one and you're in your pause, that's fine, take one of these items.

• 15:15Cal Newport?

  You're gonna start with the most radical blue sky solutions to this possible, the real drastic like, you know, gonna quit and join the circus type of solutions, right? And then start systematically, as you brainstorm solutions, reducing the level of radicalness or disruption of your ideas and you're gonna start kinda like marching from like very blue sky radical ideas to increasingly simple and practical ideas, okay? Now, what you're looking for is where is it on this march, on this march from like the radical ideas down to the very simple and pragmatic, where along the way did I feel

• 15:58Cal Newport?

  like my suggestions are no longer working? Like, ah, that's not really gonna fix it. What you've identified then is like the exact level of radicalness or extremeness that you probably need to try to get unstuck. You don't have to solve these problems completely, but this is just like an exercise you're gonna do. So you've kind of discovered for places you feel stuck, how radical or extreme do I really need to get to try to find a solution? And sometimes it might be like, man, the only solution here is to quit and join the circus. And other times there'll be a, oh man, this real little fix is gonna make a huge difference. It's a great exercise, but it takes, you need time, you need a new context, you need to get your normal stuff off your mind. The final thing you wanna write in your journal is for each of these, you've identified these solutions, write down what's next.

• 16:41Cal Newport?

  So if these are the things you think you might have to do for where you're stuck, what would be the things you have to do next? You have to talk to this person, you have to have a discussion with your spouse, you have to gather some more information, or there's something you wanna sign up for. Write those all down, put a big circle many times around those, that is the outcome of this pause and it's what you're gonna bring back with you into your normal life, put into whatever system you use for scheduling and tasks, and that then becomes the action that helps you move forward. That's what helps you take your insights from the pause and turn them into positive action.

• 17:12Cal Newport?

  All right. Makes sense. So you need a pause. Doesn't have to be dramatic, but it can be if possible. You need to be a little bit systematic with what you do during the pause. This is very important. All right. Now, you may have heard that dog barking in the background. Well, I'm actually recording this more specifically. I'm in Asheville, but not at my resort. I'm actually in the garage studio of my writer friend, Brad Stolberg, who's been on this show many times. Now, a client gave Brad a bottle of wine that Brad claims cost $1,000. Now, I think he's exaggerating. We've been pushing him on this, but he claims it cost $1,000. So what we're going to do is, right after I finish recording this here, so we have a pizza waiting, we're going to open up that bottle, we're going to try out this

• 17:54Cal Newport?

  vintage, and we're going to think some big thoughts about our lives as the crisp nighttime mountain air rolls in. Now, I return home tomorrow from Asheville, and I will press play once again. But for now, I feel very lucky to be able to have this moment of introspective pause. You deserve that feeling, too. We're going to take another quick break to hear from some of the sponsors that makes this show possible.

• 18:20Speaker 01

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• 18:50Cal Newport?

  All right. Well, that's enough about me talking to you. Let's hear what you have to say. On Mondays, we like to open up our inbox and see what our listeners want to share. Remember, if you have a question, feedback, or an idea you want to share, send it to [email protected], and we will take a look. All right, well, there's no Jesse here in Asheville, so I'll have to set up these questions myself. The first question is from Enrique. Let me read it here. You mentioned you'll be on sabbatical this upcoming year. What email protocols or rules do you plan to use? Will you set up an out-of-office auto-response? And if so, what will it say? How often will you check your Georgetown account and from where? Well, Enrique is right. I am on sabbatical for the upcoming academic year, 2026, 2027.

• 19:35Cal Newport?

  This starts, it's a little bit fuzzy, but basically like the academic year starts at some point in the summer. I'm still doing a bunch of stuff related to my administrative roles like now in the month of June, but this will, um, this will, uh, eventually I'll sort of enter sabbatical mode as I roll out of those, out of those administrative roles over the summer and new people come in and so on. So what am I going to do with email? Well, first of all, like the obvious thing is I wear many hats and only some of them are associated with Georgetown roles affected by the sabbatical. So I don't have service obligations or teaching obligations, and that is a lot of email. I have all my other hats, I have my books, I have my podcast, I've got my newsletter, um, you know, I've got the articles I write. So there's, I'll be working very hard, but that part will be out of my life. All right, so I still have a lot of email.

• 20:20Cal Newport?

  What will I do with Georgetown email? I'm not going to do an autoresponder. Um, I'm not a big believer in them. I know they make sense in certain contexts where you're in a work environment where fast response is required, and so like you need to, I guess, communicate to people if you're not going to respond. But I find in a lot of contexts, autoresponders are more about the anxiety of the person who's away from their inbox. They imagine in their mind, this is very natural, but they imagine in their mind that there's basically a back room somewhere where their peers and their boss come in and they have a, uh, they have a big bulletin board where there's all these like statistics and observations and messages from you where they're trying to track like, hmm, how long were they, what's their average delay time in responses? This has gone up. What is going on here? There's a big question mark.

• 21:05Cal Newport?

  Where is she? What's going on? And like everyone's like tracking and caring, and if you don't get out in front of it, they're about to like burst out of that back room with torches and come find you. The reality is people actually don't care. Um, the biggest benefit they often get by sending the email is that something got off their plate. They don't, often aren't going to recognize that it took a while for you to respond. So I'm not a big believer in autoresponders unless your office absolutely demands it. I'll get back to people when I get back to them. I also don't preemptively apologize, right? If they're like, hey, where were you? I'll be like, oh, I'm away. I'm on sabbatical. I mean, maybe if like it's been a week or two, I'll be like, hey, sorry for the delay. I'm on sabbatical and then I'll answer and no one cares. Like they're probably happy that it took a week or two because that's a week or two. They didn't have to deal with whatever the thing was they were emailing you about. I'll check my email once a week for sure.

• 21:49Cal Newport?

  My Georgetown email, maybe twice. That's it. No autoresponder, but it will be nice to have a little bit of reduced message volume. All right. Second message is from Brahm. Brahm says, in some of your recent episodes, you talked about a pattern of read, think, write. I was wondering if you could elaborate on the think part? Well, read, think, write is a sort of a classic mode of, this is like a classic mode of information intake that scholars have been using since, you know, the codex was first invented. But we're not used to it today. In our current world of algorithmic digital information, we are consuming information more and more in a different mode that I call dopamine surfing.

• 22:33Cal Newport?

  And the, the way I think about it is our brain has been trained to be getting this like really positive stimulus from whatever we're engaging with content wise. And as soon as that positive stimulus starts to go down a little bit, we have to make drastic changes to get it back up again. We skim, we swipe, we jump around to try to find something that gets us back up again. We gotta keep that level of that, that sort of like stimulation level high. And so reading becomes incredibly erratic and very little information is actually stored. And we've been trained to do that with our devices. And I think this carries over to almost any of the content consumption we do. It's why like I'm trying to watch a documentary and you're going to see people having to jump on their phone because a, there's like a slightly boring part of the documentary. They have to keep that stimuli high.

• 23:18Cal Newport?

  That's like a very distracted way of engaging with information and you don't actually pull nearly as much insight out of text or other types of media when you're dopamine surfing. But it's what we've been trying to do. Read, think, write is a, a different way of consuming, an older way that's different than dopamine surfing. I think it's useful to point out exactly how it works so that people know what used to be just second nature, we can remember and practice a better way to consume it. So, so the read, think, write loop goes like this. You, you read something that's hard. In a book, in an article, right, this is like you're consuming hard information to get smarter. You then stop and you think about what you just read, like, what does this mean? You move it around in your head, right? Like, okay, what is this?

• 24:02Cal Newport?

  Remind me of what's going on here. And then you write down your thoughts. That thinking and writing part is what forces your brain to actually take the information out of much more of the like cursory processing where you're like hearing the sounds in your head and have basic images and actually move the information into symbolic information stores in your brain. That's where insight is gained. So that, that, that thinking and writing is where it's gained. Brah is asking about like, what is the difference between thinking and writing here? It's, it's a fuzzy line.

• 24:33Cal Newport?

  That when you're trying to write out your thoughts, a lot of thinking happens. Like, they're kind of interlaid a little bit. But I, I think of those kind of together. You step back, reflect, write, the writing makes you reflect as well. When you've done that, that, that think, write, however that's interlaid, now you understand. Now you've gained understanding. Without it, you're just sort of like skimming past concepts. They're, they're moving like images across the back of your, your, your eyes and not really sticking. Let's do one more question here. I got that thousand dollar bottle of wine waiting. I think it's like a twenty dollar bottle of wine, but we'll see. I'll report back. All right. Jenny writes, she says, uh, do you read work, books for work at bedtime or do you stick to reading for pleasure? For example, would you ever be using your corner marking method on a bedtime book? All right, Jenny, that's a good question.

• 25:19Cal Newport?

  Yeah, let me, it is a good question. No, I don't.

• 25:24Cal Newport?

  The reason why I'm hesitating is that my, the line I draw is not work or non-work.

• 25:30Cal Newport?

  It's cognitive stimulation versus non-cognitive stimulation. So I, I, I don't want to read in bed something that's highly cognitive stimulating, which for me is often like really original ideas that I'm thinking about and I'm processing and I get excited. That fires up all of my brain. We're in Cal idea mode. When my brain gets fully revved up to do idea stuff, that's what I do for a living, it's hard to calm it back down to sleep. But I could also be reading a book that has a professional reason why I'm reading it and is not super cognitively stimulating and I'm going to be fine. So that's really the dividing line. So probably no, I would not be reading a book that requires corner marking. That's my method for taking notes in books because that typically means it's a book where I'm trying to pull ideas out of it. That's going to be too cognitively

• 26:14Cal Newport?

  stimulating. I'm trying to think of an example here. Like I recently reread, we talked on the show, Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food because I had like a book idea and I wanted to be like, oh, let me remember how he wrote this manifesto style. But it's kind of a calming book. And I don't do any work myself on food or nutrition, right? So it's the like, the ideas in that book are not super important to me. They're not bumping up against other ideas I'm working on, giving me new ideas about things I should write about. So I could read that book in bed and just like, oh, Michael Pollan is calming and I'm fine with it, right? Like that was, that was completely fine. But if I'm reading a book on, you know, some big new idea about tech theory or like what's going on with AI or something like that's going to be far away from bed. So that's a good question,

• 26:59Cal Newport?

  Jenny. I do care about it. Sleep is not always my friend. So I try to be as careful as I possible about like what I let into my mind and what I don't. All right, we should probably, we're going to wrap this one up pretty soon. Yeah, this is a short one. Sure. But that's because I'm on the road, right? And I'm pressing pause. I actually pressed play temporarily here to record this podcast and then I want to get right back in to what I'm up to. So I would normally at the end of the show, give you a big update on what I'm up to. But I already have. I've talked, I've told you all about what I'm doing here in Asheville and the thinking I'm doing. The book I brought with me here, which I'm enjoying is Derek Thompson's Hit Makers because I thought it'd be relevant when thinking about like writing

• 27:41Cal Newport?

  and podcasting, hey, what makes these type of things successful? I have that book with me. I basically finished.

• 27:48Cal Newport?

  I still have a couple of chapters left. I'll finish it when I get home. I don't want to bring it with me because it's a signed copy and it's big. But Chuck Klosterman's book on football, which I really enjoyed, is a very, he has a very specific style that I really like. I'll talk more about that, I guess, after I finish the final chapter. So I have some good books with me, but I'm mainly thinking, walking, exercising. I press pause. Anyways, I will press play again. I know a lot of you missed the AI reality check last Thursday. That's because I was up here and I didn't want to write and record an AI reality check. I was trying to think big thoughts, but I will have one for Thursday as well. And we'll be back next Monday with another one of these episodes. This is a short one, but a good one. Hopefully you enjoyed it. I look forward to getting home, but it's been good. So I will, you'll

• 28:31Cal Newport?

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