#2433 - James McCann

James Donald Forbes McCann is a comedian, author, and host of “The James Donald Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan." His latest special, "James Donald Forbes McCann: Black Israelite," is streaming on YouTube.www.jdfmccann.comwww.youtube.com/@JamesDonaldForbesMcCannwww.patreon.com/jdfmccann Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, man, big log. That's fucking goo. Have we started? Have we gone?

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  We're start... Oh, no.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Not over the relics.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  The dirtier this table is, the better.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Get it away from the... What is that?

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  The relics. That is, uh... That's from my friend John Reeves. He gave that to me. That's a mastodon tooth. Or woolly mammoth, or what's the difference? What is the difference between woolly mammoth and a mastodon? They must be a different age, a different era. But, uh, that's a giant tooth. There's a company in Alaska, I forgot the name, but they, uh... It kinda seems fucked to carve into this thing 'cause it is 10,000 years old, at least.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  How many of them are there, though? Do they have heaps of them?

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  They have heaps of them. But this is really cool. It's like they carved a mammoth in it. So what is the difference? According to our sponsor, Perplexity, a woolly mammoth and a mastodon were related but quite different Ice Age elephants. Mammoths were taller, more slightly-built, grass-eaters, while mastodons were shorter, stockier browsers that ate woody plants. Okay.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  I was gonna say the hair, maybe, but I don't... It's obviously more...

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  Woolly mammoth, right? Yeah, mastodon looks like an elephant.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, the mastodon horn does look cooler.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  They're pretty cool. They're all pretty cool. You know, they lived on an... Was it... Where were the last mastodons? I wanna think... I wanna say they lived on an island until like 10,000 years ago or something like that. 'Cause most of them died out. They don't know how they died out, but there's two theories. One theory is people killed them all, which is a shaky theory. 'Cause it's people of 10,000 years ago with fucking sticks.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Were they around 10,000 years ago?

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they died...

• 2:00Speaker 01

  We definitely did that, then.

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I think it was a cataclysm. I think it was the same thing that killed 65% of all megafauna. That's the problem. It killed so many different animals almost instantaneously. Yeah, that's it. 4,000 years ago, Wrangle Island, remote Arctic island off Siberia's coast, had the last woolly mammoth till about 4,000 years ago. Isn't that nuts?

• 2:22Speaker 01

  That's nothing.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. Yeah, that's like before the pyramids were built.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  It's.

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  No, I mean, after the pyramids are built, brother.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Similar time. Yeah.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, after the pyramids, allegedly. I think they were probably built earlier than that. But the official date is two thousand five hundred B.C.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  I've seen that strange man with the beard and the.

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  That man you had on to debate it, who's always clapping back on Twitter and going like, there's nothing funny about the.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Flint Dibble?

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't want to invoke his ire. I don't want to.

• 2:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's got a lot of ire.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  He's got a lot of time and a lot of hate.

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  I actually enjoyed talking to him about non-archeal, non, you know, ancient history related stuff. He has some interesting things about seeds, like he does a lot of work in seeds.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, it's really, it's actually really interesting how.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Like the history of seeds?

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when, so say if you have a wild plant, they can tell the difference between a wild plant and an agriculturally grown plant.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  And the way is the seeds change. So when you have a wild seed, it is more conducive to the growth of the plant. If the seeds break off easier and scatter and, and they, they get into the ground easier. So they, they break free of the plant. But then when you use agriculture, the seeds don't become important for the creation of new plants. Because you're always taking the seeds anyway and planting the seeds, right? So those seeds are, seeds are more robust and they hang on more.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:43Joe Rogan?

  So you could, you could tell by looking at the actual seeds themselves, whether it's an agriculturally based seed or whether it's a wild seed.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  That is good. I hadn't thought about that.

• 3:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it was really cool. That part was cool. The, the, the shittiness is not cool and calling Graham Hancock a racist. They do that with like everyone, everyone who has anything to say about the historical narrative that doesn't fit into exactly what they're teaching or what they have been teaching. They're like so unwilling to accept that there's any alternative timeline, but they keep getting fucked. Because over and over again, they keep finding these new things that are older and older.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  Like Gobekli Tepe was the big one. It happens in every discipline.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, it happens in comedy. There's people that don't like new comedians that are coming up. They don't like what they're doing differently or they're.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  You said a thing last night about prop comedy. Like, everyone just stopped doing prop comedy at a certain point.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's because of Carrot Top.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  It's because of Carrot Top and also because the bullying you would receive.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  At the moment for having props. There's one, Rick Glassman. Am I getting his name right? I don't know. But he had some props and he was really funny and he got away with it. But he's the only person in America, other than Carrot Top, I've seen with any props.

• 4:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, when I started out, there was a bunch of guys who had props. There was a, there was a bunch of guys who had props and it was fun. It was fun to watch. There was, uh, God, Dr. Wid? I forget his name. Dr. Wiz? I forget his name. But he was a guy when I first started out in like the 1980s, he had props and he was good. He was a funny comic.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  It'll be cyclical. It'll come back. Like, ladies with ukuleles had to go away for a time. It was necessary that we purge ukulele women from comedy.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  How many were there?

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. I don't know. There was. Is this him? Doctor, the legendary Wid?

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Legendary Wid. Yeah, that's the dude. And he, uh, would do like science-based humor. He was a funny guy. So this is, you know, I saw him in like 88. 88, 89. But the point was, that guy was really funny when he started busting out the props.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:47Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, and we were like, I was like, why don't you just do props?

• 5:50Speaker 01

  This is your thing.

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, that kind of humor, his kind of humor, it's almost like it's missing something in just the, just the straight stand-up form.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  There's like, there's waves of, things become trendy and then people who can't really do it very well jump onto it. And then it gets lame and people stop doing it.

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of it is one guy gets really successful doing it and then that becomes his thing.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  We had a run of people pretending to be retarded in Australia. It was like five years.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  How hard did they try?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Uh, really hard.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  Were they on the border and just like slowed it down a little?

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Weird sweaters, people having like fireworks that they would fire into themselves and everyone would like come out with cards and read their act.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  That's what happens when you take away everyone's guns.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  They're trying to take them away again, again.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  Again, again.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  They already took them all away and then somehow we still had a massive shooting and now the response is, well, maybe we could. Take even more of them away.

• 6:41Joe Rogan?

  Um, what was the nationality of the people that caused the shooting?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  The son, I think, was born in Australia and the dad, there was a big fight over it on Twitter where people were going, he's Pakistani.

• 6:50Joe Rogan?

  I remember that, but I didn't, I don't anymore. I don't anymore. I don't get in there.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  The big argument was over the religion of the hero who took one of the guns away. So like, the cops were apparently cowering, that's the narrative, I don't know. But one guy ran up and it's a great video of a guy like, he runs at a guy with a gun and wrestles the gun off him. And aims the gun at him and lets, he does let the guy get away, he doesn't want to kill him.

• 7:16Joe Rogan?

  Which is kinda crazy. The guy just killed how many people?

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Oh, and then I think the guy gets a gun and goes on killing people.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he's not a killer, this guy who wrestled the gun off him, he was just a heroic man.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

  In the head with the butt, like in the movies.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  I don't know what, I mean, I wouldn't have ever, I wouldn't have ever run up to a man with a gun. I would have been out of there. But the argument was what religion was the guy who took the gun? Because people on the right really didn't want him to be a Muslim. They were like, it was a huge thing on X of people.

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

  People on the right didn't want him to be a Muslim?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Muslim shooters, but then it looked like he was, his name was like Ahmed Al Ahmed or something.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  But hold on, why would the people on the right not want him to be a Muslim?

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Because then you can go, this is a Muslim thing. Muslims were doing the shooting and we can just go, let's deal with the Muslims.

• 7:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you mean the people, the guy who captured the guy?

• 7:57Speaker 01

  The guy who wrestled the gun off him was also a Muslim, which then makes it like.

• 8:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so was he?

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Well, his name is like Mohammed Mohammedson.

• 8:06Joe Rogan?

  Imagine being a regular Muslim and having to deal with these crazy Muslims.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  There he is.

• 8:10Joe Rogan?

  That guy.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, people love him, but man, people.

• 8:13Joe Rogan?

  Shoot the guy in the foot? If you didn't want to kill him, shoot him and blow his fucking ankle off.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Really do that and then it's a big, look at him go.

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's amazing. And he doesn't do anything? And so the guy just gets away?

• 8:26Speaker 01

  The guy does get away.

• 8:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is not good.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  But then, after he lets him get away, I think he drops the gun and he goes away and then he gets shot again in the arm. But who knows what to do when there's a live.

• 8:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't know what to do. Well, that's a good person. That's a good person.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  He is a national hero at the moment and I think if he had, man, people wanted him to be a Maronite Christian. So bad, the Gruipers were desperate for him to be. There was a lot of people going, well, actually.

• 8:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, that's the real problem we have in this country. We want to pretend that people actually exist in groups. Even if there's high percentages of people from groups that are doing bad things. There's still a giant percentage that are not. And to alienate all those people by just lumping it all in as one group together. Imagine, like, imagine you're a peaceful Muslim and you have to deal with this shit. And you're like, guys, I just want to pray. I'm just trying to like, find oneness with God. That's all I'm trying to do.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  I love twirling.

• 9:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  I'm one of the twirlings.

• 9:22Joe Rogan?

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• 11:34Joe Rogan?

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• 11:38Speaker 01

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• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  What's the twirling?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  The twirling dervishes, they just love to twill.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  They love to twill, but the-

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  Twirling.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  It's-

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  I was trying to figure out what you were saying.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  But this is what's we, so after that, the government comes out and is like cracking down on right wing extremism.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Cause it's a lefty government and they go, we have a, clearly we have a problem with right wing extremism. So now they're trying to reclassify, like, you know, globalized, infatated jihadism as a form of right wing extremism, which I'd never, which like, yeah, I guess it's not commie lefty stuff.

• 12:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have to look at it on paper, objectively, it is.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't know how much they hang out. I don't know if these guys, I don't think these guys are reading like, I don't know, William F. Buckley Jr. and stuff.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's break down what is right wing then, okay? Let's say this, okay? Do they want to completely control women's behavior and completely dictate whether or not the woman can leave the house with certain clothes on, what they're allowed to do, right?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of a right wing thing, isn't it?

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Total religious adherence, they want a religious state?

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the Taliban want to dance with little boys. That seems like a left wing thing.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  Separate break off group. They're like the Baptists.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  They're like the Catholics, you know what I mean? You got your regular Christians and then you got some other motherfuckers that are out there running wild with new rules.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Mainline.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  Mormons, how about this?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  What a moment.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you know, but that's what I'm saying. It's like they're a break off group. It's not the ones who are banging the boys. That's not normal. There's a lot of guys out there that are Muslim that are not banging boys. So when you connect them with the Taliban, they're like, bro, I'm just praying over here.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  It's all people just trying to have fun.

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Who am I to judge anybody?

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  The problem is then you push, when you push these people, it's the same thing that happens when you call everyone a racist. What do you get? You get a Nick Fuentes. You get a guy who emerges, he's got the balls to shit talk and have fun and say wild things that are very inappropriate and sometimes racist. That's what you get. You get, someone embraces that guy because you've been told you're a racist just for being white.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, you've been told there's something wrong with you, white male. Like, there was a time where someone would say something in comments all the time when I'd watch these people arguing. And someone, it was a common thing to say, uh, as a white man, I think you should probably shut your fucking mouth. Like, as a white man, like, you're a white man. You're just qualified from having an opinion on something because you are a white man.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  So another form of racism. It's just an accepted form of racism. That's really weird.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  But then you, like, Nick Fuentes is getting all his other ideas through as well. Cause he was the only person saying things that the average person would think was kinda normal.

• 14:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was, but then he wasn't. A lot of the stuff he's saying, he, that was not something the average person would think is normal.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  But you sneak your other weird stuff through. Like, when everyone's going.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  You know, like when he says, when he's getting attacked for going like, a black neighborhood is gonna be more violent in, on average in America. You go, yes, I've traveled around the country and that is, I think there's a long history for why that's true.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's factually correct.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  That seems to be correct.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  The, the question is though, why? And that's where it gets uncomfortable.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  Because the, the real reason for why is a, a host of factors. But the primary one is crime and poverty. The primary one is they live in a community that's filled with crime and poverty.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  And if you have, and drugs. And if you have a community where people are selling drugs and it's crime and poverty, you're gonna get a lot of violence, whether it's an Italian community, Armenian community, or any community where you got a lot. A lot of crime and a lot of poverty.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I first came here, I went to Appalachia.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  People are gonna get killed.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  There are white people doing crazy, crazy things.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  You ever see The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia?

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I watched it like a week ago.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Fucking amazing.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  The most charismatic family I've ever seen.

• 15:29Joe Rogan?

  Knoxville did that, didn't he?

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he produced that, yeah. Bro, that dude.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  It made me feel so homesick. I was only there for a couple of months. I wanted to go back so badly.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  The dance in Outlaw?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  He's, one of their like, granddaddy had a new way of dancing, and it's the most insane. Like, was that really gonna take off?

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  It did.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Was that the style of dancing?

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  Bro, when you're on meth, it's awesome.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  I mean, meth was the least.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  It's the perfect dance style.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  They were.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they were on everything?

• 15:54Speaker 01

  They were on the lot.

• 15:55Joe Rogan?

  How about the lady? I'm always been thought of as a sexy one. She was a stripper, remember her?

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I did.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  The voice, yo!

• 16:03Speaker 01

  I did a big deep dive on Wikipedia about them afterwards. She stumped a kitten.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  Which one's dancing here?

• 16:08Speaker 01

  This is Jesko, American outlaw.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, he's the younger guy.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  He's, uh, Jesko lives out the legacy.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  He's, he's like, he keeps the dancing alive. He's the one who's a celebrity in the show.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  But then there's another documentary about him, and in both documentaries, he complains about a woman making his eggs wrong.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's, that dude, yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  He's got it, he's a charismatic guy.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he, he said he would cut her if she gave him ruddy eggs. I was like, uh.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Sloppy eggs.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  Settle down, bro. Like, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating this.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  But I think, I think one of them just got out of prison. I think the one who at the start of that documentary.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  I hope Trump got him out. Who got out? What'd he do?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  The one who, uh, shot his uncle in the throat, remember that guy?

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that kid, yeah.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  I think he just got, that's the sexy one.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  I've always been the sexiest one in the family. Listen to what she said, how the way she says it, though. The voice is incredible.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  This is just pictures. Yeah. I think that sexy one, I think she did get in trouble for stepping on a cat.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a thing in that film that was interesting, though, towards the end, where you see, like, some of them are trying to, like, move away from that life. That girl, one girl got sober. So there was like a take to it where they realized, like, hey, this is not sustainable. This is a crazy way to live. I'm a mother. Like, what am I doing? You know, and she was trying to get out of it, which I think a lot of people do come to the realization, if you're in that kind of a community, I gotta get the fuck away from these crazy assholes and stop doing meth.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  It is, yeah, I think.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  But it's how do you do it? See, this is the thing. This is the thing. When you say like, is it, is it true that there's a higher percentage of murders that occur in black communities? Right, right. But as opposed to poor communities? Like, what about like in deeply impoverished communities? Like, and then when you introduce a history of gang violence and crime, and no one ever does anything to stop it, it's gonna stay the same. Whether it's in Appalachia, or whether it's like, the Hatfields and the McCoys, all those motherfuckers that were killing each other back in the Wild West days. I mean, it was probably horrible back then. Why? Because they let it be that way. Nobody did anything about it. You couldn't stop them.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  And I think some of the solutions for it are very bad. This is my, I don't want to speak out of turn, because it's not my country. But like, when I've been driving through-

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  People love to come to America and tell us what to do. I love it.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  I think it's the greatest country in the world, and I repeat that again.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  But when I drive through like a bad area, and there's like a Planned Parenthood with a line around the block, and things set on fire, and you can just like, I know that Planned Parenthood started out as a eugenicist organization, where they went, like, that was the lady who founded it, that was her thing. And you can really see in those neighborhoods, it's like, if you have a child here, you're gonna be tied to this community. We want you to get out. We want people who have the spirit to get out of here, and to live a good, full life in America, not to be tied down to being in, like, a really difficult, crime-riddled area.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  So abort your children, so you can get out. Seems to be the, I think they're still doing the eugenicist thing of being like, just be free, for different reasons, not because they want to dilute the numbers in the population or whatever, but because they go, you've got to be a free person who can leave, and children will tie you to a place.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a way to look at it.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  That was, when I was driving through, I forget, Wisconsin? Northern Wisconsin? I don't know. I just hit with this. So, oh, man. It's like, usually, the, the rough area of a town is lifted up by a freeway in America. Like, you don't, if you drive into Chicago, you're just way up here on a freeway, and then you come down into like the most beautiful buildings you've ever seen in your life. And people go, it's very scary over in the other part of Chicago. And you go, I never saw it. I was,

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  Above it and-

• 19:45Speaker 01

  I was thirty feet in the air.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a good move.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  But in some places, I have driven through it, and I've gone, or I've stopped, and you go, this- Someone's like if I lived here, I mean, there are some areas that are so rough. It's like, man, if I lived here, I would go and steal and kill from the people who live 20 minutes up the road for sure. You know, like you just drive 20 minutes up the road and there's a German town and everything's perfect and everyone's rich and everyone's beautiful.

• 20:10Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  And you, this doesn't happen in, I don't know, I'm from a very flat country by comparison.

• 20:16Joe Rogan?

  Imagine the idea. Oh, the highs and lows of what?

• 20:20Speaker 01

  America.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  You mean poverty and wealth?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Like, like the Bronx being an hour from the Hamptons.

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

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• 21:12Joe Rogan?

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• 21:57Joe Rogan?

  You know about all that, right? When people are like, "Why do you have dogs? Why do you have guns?" I was like, "What? Like, do you watch the news? Yeah. Are you fucking crazy? Like, you gotta be careful out there, and most of the time, it's not going to happen to you. The ninety-nine point nine-nine percent of people will never experience anything awful. But to not have any idea that it could ever happen to you is bad. I think the real problem, and this is the one that just doesn't get addressed with any politicians ever, is something massive has to be done to stop this, like ancestral, like this lineage of people that are coming from these crime-ridden places, and no, no one changes anything about it at all.

• 22:42Joe Rogan?

  We had a cop on once from Baltimore, and he was telling us that while he was on, on duty, he found this, uh, like, crime sheet, a doc sheet of all the things that happened in, like, seventy-six or something like that. And he was reading all the areas and all the crimes, and it dawned on him, it was like, "Oh, my God." Like, this is the same crimes in the same area decades later, and nothing has changed. They need to do something huge. Like, treat that as if it's an untapped resource of human potential, because that's what it is. All those people in that community, if they had been born and raised with different families in a different place, completely different outcome. A giant percentage of who you are is dumb luck.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  And if the people that got the worst luck to be born in a crack house, or be born in a place where there's gang violence on the street every day, and you go to school and you have to pick a gang, if you don't pick a gang, they're gonna kill you, like, what are you gonna do? Like, you're, you're not gonna do anything but what everybody else is doing. That's what most people are gonna do. The few that are gonna break out, maybe they're musicians, or an athlete, or something like that, they break out. Yeah. But for the most part, you're fucked. But what it is, is untapped and unrealized human potential that's going to waste on the most stupid fucking shit in the world.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  I, but then when you try and do something like that in America, the pushback is huge.

• 24:05Joe Rogan?

  Like, I think this is- What is the pushback of investing into communities?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Well, I would say like in a small, like, I think the National Guard going into some places.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's different. So that's not even-

• 24:14Speaker 01

  That's what it can look like sometimes. Like, there are definitely like Portland-

• 24:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what it can look like under this administration.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Portland, yeah. There's gotta be a better way of doing it.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, you're just gonna get too much pushback. But what you can't do is let it get to the point where it's feasible to call in the National Guard.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy. It's like their law enforcement has been so handcuffed by the administrations, especially in northwestern United States. Like, everybody, they don't get enough sun, they lost their fucking mind, everyone's depressed and everyone's trans. It's crazy up there. It's crazy.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  I was just in Portland. I was in Portland just before the National Guard went in, and I was in Portland like-

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  How insane.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  It's so much, you can walk around a little, little easier.

• 24:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, after the National Guard came?

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Like, I know people were very upset in Portland about that, but I think just quietly they were going, it's kinda nice to be able to walk to the train station again.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  The mayor in DC thanked Trump.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  She's like, this is like the safest it's ever been here, since you brought in the National Guard. Look, but the problem is, that sets a fucking precedent. So, here's the thing, if it's necessary, let's say you have a place that's a literal, not even a real place, a fictional place in America, where there's a literal gang war going on, and dozens of people are getting shot every day, and it's, it's basically a war zone. Let's just imagine a place like that. You would say, okay, it's probably a good idea to bring in the military and control that, because the entire population is at risk, it's very dangerous, it's a literal war zone in the middle of a modern American city, we have to stop that.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  So, well, the thing is, if you, it's okay, people are lighting newspaper stands on fire, people are doing this, people are breaking into Starbucks, let's bring in the military. People aren't obeying the speech laws, let's bring in the military.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:56Joe Rogan?

  People are not using their digital ID, let's bring in the military. It's like, there's, there's gotta be a separation between our army and our civilians, and it has to be a big fucking reason to break that separation.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, you did it in the 60s, in the South, when like, busing came in.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  Don't say me. I wasn't born.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Sorry, y'all. All, the, the United States, when, when the, when Jim Crow was happening in the South, the military got sent in. And people, you, you desegregated the South by force.

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  So that was deemed to be like an appropriate use of- Like a monopoly on violence to enact the social change. Like, you're not gonna have segregated schools anymore. We're gonna have the military there and make sure that this works out.

• 26:39Joe Rogan?

  Crazy after bringing that, the military, to get people to allow black people and white people to go to school together.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, they didn't want. It's just so weird when I go to the South now because everyone is so friendly and people do seem to get along. And you go, your grandparents were like.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  Brother had to rip the band-aid off.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Doing the craziest stuff.

• 26:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Terrible. I mean, Emmett Till, I just found out about that after I got here. It's unbelievable. And they were still shooting the Emmett Till statue that they put up. They had to like, replace it with a bronze statue so the bullet holes wouldn't affect it.

• 27:13Joe Rogan?

  That's what was going on?

• 27:14Speaker 01

  I believe that was what was happening until like quite recently.

• 27:16Joe Rogan?

  Sure it wasn't just one KKK dude that ruined it for everybody else? You know what I'm saying? That's the problem. You get one wacky guy in a neighborhood and you're like, that's a racist neighborhood. They were shooting the Emmett Till statue. Maybe that's one asshole worse at the tire shop. You know, one fucking dude smelling his own farts and loading up his rifle.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  That one Arkansas MMA fighter who kept saying that he loved Hitler did a lot. Did a lot to hurt the reputation of that football team. Cause he always had the Razorbacks in the background.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that wasn't a, I think he did not phrase that well. I think, I think, uh, I think there's a lot of people, here's the thing. There's a lot of people that become experts, and I'm guilty of this as well. But you're, you're talking about something where you maybe watched a YouTube video. You know what I mean? Like, maybe you, uh, maybe you read an article about it. It's some fucking Politico, who knows? Who knows where you read it? It's some, it could be some crazy right wing source. You read something, you took it as fact. And then you talk to a bunch of other people that also take it as fact. And next thing you know, you start talking and.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  You have the biggest show in the world?

• 28:22Joe Rogan?

  Saying shit, yeah, that's me.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Okay, but people always criticize that. People always have a go at the podcasters for like spouting off on things that they're not.

• 28:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that is what I do.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  But how come there's no responsibility on the mainstream legacy media for having gotten really, really boring over the last?

• 28:38Joe Rogan?

  Not just boring.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Fifteen, twenty years.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  Boring is.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  I would say lying as well.

• 28:41Joe Rogan?

  Compromised, completely compromised, totally untrustworthy, completely compromised.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  I just got the New York Times app. Cause I thought, I'll have a look at that. I've finally got enough money where I can pay a dollar a week to be on the New York Times app.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  And it's so. Um, I mean, it's just, they've built Twitter. It like the experience of it and the scrolling on it. It feels like you're in Twitter, but only mediated through. Selected journalists from the New York Times. And suddenly you're like, I'm just stepping into for a moment. Whatever bubble that is, I just, I wanted to take a look at it. It's in, it's like.

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  I think they're all gonna have to course correct. I think they're all gonna have to realize that it's not. It's not being intellectual, like a true intellectual, a true progressive. By only looking at things from one perspective. And to automatically assume that anybody that has a different perspective. Hey, we're back.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 29:36Joe Rogan?

  Where was I?

• 29:36Speaker 01

  You talk, so they need to have a course correction. We're talking about the mainstream media and that they've lost that many people.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying was that. You, you can't proclaim yourself to be intellectual by only listening to one perspective. And to being like very aggressive and hostile about the other perspective. Immediate ad hominem's, immediate a- attacks on, you know. Lumping everyone in together, associated, like we were talking about earlier, associating ancient history with racism. Like you're doing that, it's a little trick you're doing. You're not having a real conversation, you're being a bitch. And this kind of communication sucks. It sucks for the left, it sucks for the right. When people on the right, it sucks for, it's a bad human communication. Uh, skill.

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  If you were good at it, you would want other people to have different opinions. And you'd want to hear those opinions and talk to those people.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  I think they're trying to course correct. This is what's weird to watch is there, and it's who they're. I don't wanna, they, they love Schultz at the New York Times.

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, he goes over there.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  They've picked him, yes, they've picked him.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  He goes over there and talks to them. Yeah, well, he's very smart.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  They want him.

• 30:46Joe Rogan?

  Sure, and another, he's another guy's very smart and very fun. You know, so like they want these people because they've been kind of locked out of the fun.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, they also, they just pretended that it didn't exist.

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Do you see Schultz talk to them though?

• 31:00Speaker 01

  I haven't, uh, on the roundtable?

• 31:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was great.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  Hilarious because he, they're talking in these bullshit terms.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, hold on, you know, let's just talk real here.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Where he goes, the Jews. And everybody laughs because he can.

• 31:16Joe Rogan?

  Because he's a comedian.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  He's allowed to be funny.

• 31:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and there was a, there was another one that he did with another guy, I forget, from one other mainstream media publication. It was the same sort of situation. And to have it that way, where it's a one-on-one conversation, then you get to see like the weird way that they actually think and communicate. The bubble, like Tim, when Tim Dillon was on CNN.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, that's why I moved my ring up. Because she kept asking this, she didn't want it, they resisted releasing that as a long-form thing.

• 31:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  And you can see why, because she's asking the same question three or four times in a row to try and bait something, which is not how a conversation works.

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  We pressured them into putting the whole thing out.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  She keeps going, really, come on, really, just to get him, because he's a fun guy. And he wants to say something funny and she's like baiting him to say something exaggerated.

• 32:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jon Stewart had the best response to this whole thing. He was talking to some guy from The New Yorker and they were talking about this podcast and he's like, you know, they were talking about different opinions and people, different people that have talked to. And he's like, but Joe Rogan has the biggest audience in the world, he has a bigger audience. He's like, well, go get a big audience.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:24Joe Rogan?

  Go get it.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  It's not like they don't have the finances.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  You just go, go figure it out, do it right, and you'll get a big audience. Like, it's not that fucking complicated. I don't have pyrotechnics, there's no CGI, there's not even a crew. There's a skeleton crew of people who do this.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  But I think, I think some of it is the, it's just like ivory tower mentality of if, if it becomes like, that they think, there is a, there is a sense in people who have got like a very big education and have gone through the, whatever system you have to jump through to get to an elite legacy thing.

• 32:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Is that most people are too stupid to, to have like, an open and honest conversation with.

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  And that if stupid people like you, then that's a problem. That, that's how they're viewing the world and that there's like.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's, they're also viewing the world in that they're protecting people from opinions they don't agree with. Even though they listen to those opinions, it has no effect on their position. They keep their same position.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  But they're worried that people dumber than them, it's a very condescending thought process.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  To think that you're the only open-minded person.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  And not only that, and people that are dumber, is that, which is most people, you're, you're going to fall into the trap of what this person's saying that I don't agree with.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  And this, yes.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  And that if you, and that the only way to get people to listen to you is to like spin lies, like you can't just be honest.

• 33:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Which is what I think the podcasting thing is. It's what it is. It's a long, it's, you can't really put on a facade for three hours talking to somebody.

• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you can.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  I, I think that might be who he is at this point.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he is definitely that. Well, that's why I wanted to do a podcast with him. So you could say three hour, by the way, no questions beforehand, no prep, didn't pee, sat there for three hours. He's almost 80, like, if he was wearing a diaper, respect. But the guy just fucking hung out for three hours. Does that mean I agree with everything he does? Fuck no. Of course not.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  But he was able to be himself for three, he was able to talk for three hours. Whereas Kamala, wouldn't do it.

• 34:19Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  She wouldn't do it.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  She could have done it. I'm telling you, man.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  I watched her for six minutes on Stephen Colbert and I don't think she could do it.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  It's different. He's kind of being like an interviewer, right? He's in this weird position where he's at a desk. The desk is beside you for some reason, because that's how they always used to do it. So these fucking uncreative people just do it the exact same way, always. It doesn't make any sense. Why does he have a desk? Is he writing? What does he have? Does he have pens in the drawer? Like, what are we doing here? Like, why am I on a couch over here? Why am I sitting down like to the right of you? It's weird. It's always in the same position. Host is always to the right.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  They're always to the left of the screen. It's goofy, right? So he's doing this thing that you only do on television in front of an audience, by the way. You should never have a conversation in front of an audience. Because as soon as you do, the people are aware of the audience.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  You're aware of how people think and feel and you're playing to them. And some people say things to try to get a rise out of you in front of the audience. Like, ugh.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  If you want to do that, it's a different thing. But if you're gonna have like a really important conversation with someone, you don't want to do it in a fucking audience. So Stephen, the way he's doing is handicap from the jump. Also, you only have seven minutes before you have to cut for commercial or whatever it is. You can't do that. You, it'll take me seven minutes to ask what she likes to cook. I want to know what she, who she, I don't know, I want to know, does, is there anything that she regrets doing? Is she ever, what does she learn from this time? Is it more complicated being a vice president than you thought it was going to be? Like, what is the web of trying to fix things and change things versus the people that are influencing you to make decisions? Because we're not pretending that people don't spend a lot of money to influence your decisions. So how much of an effect does it have?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  What do you actually believe when they come to you asking for those favors?

• 36:04Joe Rogan?

  What would it, what would be better? Could we take money out of politics? Would you be willing? Would, what, what, what would we do if we completely eliminated corporate funding of any politicians? How would that change everything? Those are the kind of questions we could have liked. We could have talked for hours about that.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  But they don't, she doesn't want to do that. And the people around her, this is what I, there's like, there's something that has, the right used to have this as well. And both sides of politics had it. And I remember there was like, Howard Dean, I think it was, did a weird scream.

• 36:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, one scream.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  And the whole thing fell apart. And that really stayed with me. That I remember watching politics and there was some sense of like, everything is very manufactured. And if you make a single mistake, oh my God, you're going to lose the primary, it's all over. And Trump destroyed that with the Republicans, where it all became very, we've just got to like, hang out and talk. And everyone got very loosey goosey on the right.

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  And the Democrats have not adjusted to that and had their, like Bernie could do it. They just froze Bernie out and they did everything they could to stop him coming through.

• 37:00Joe Rogan?

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• 37:44Joe Rogan?

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• 38:52Speaker 01

  There's no way. I mean, you can't have her with? She's gone.

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  She's gone now.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  She's gone.

• 38:58Joe Rogan?

  But she wouldn't have existed without him. Like that sort of brash, crazy personality? That had not existed in a congressperson.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  And there will be someone on the left who can do that.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  Jasmine Crockett. She's doing that.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Man, maybe.

• 39:11Joe Rogan?

  She gets aggressive and loud and they get crazy. I like. Listen, it's a reality show now.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  I know people don't like her. I think she's hip. She would maybe come on the show.

• 39:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, okay.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Have you invited her to come on the show?

• 39:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  I listen.

• 39:25Joe Rogan?

  Joe Too scared to have me on the show. I think a lot of them are probably very nice people. Very nice people. They're, and this is not an attack on any individuals. I think that system turns you into a sociopath. That's what I think. And I think there's very few people, Tulsi Gabbard, my friend, being one of them. I'd love her. She's amazing. She's a real person. Like that lady is the same person on air, off air, meeting people, hanging out with her husband. I've hung out with her hours and hours and hours. That's who she is. She's cool as fuck. And she was a congressperson, but she has. Horror stories.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:04Joe Rogan?

  When she tells you like what it's like on the inside and when you find out how these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars on a hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year salary and no one's batting an eye. That is kind of kooky. It's kind of kooky because even ones you wouldn't suspect like, wait a minute. They're worth how much? Now, you don't really know how much they're worth, right? You'd have to, you'd have to get an audit, right? Because what you're hearing is a reporting of what they're worth and it could be total propaganda. It could be half of what it is. But even if it's millions, even if it's a couple million. If you have, if you've been a congressperson for two years and now all of a sudden you're worth three million dollars

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  and you were in debt before you became a congressperson. That's suspicious. And if you look at the fucking, the people that invest money, that's where it gets really crazy. Because it is not a blue thing and it's not a red thing. It's both. Everybody is making money on the stock market. There's a shitload of these people that are buying a bunch of stock and then conveniently a short time later, a bill gets passed that they were working on. That makes it very profitable for that country. Stock shoots through the roof. They make a giant windfall.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  I'm trying to remember who said it. There was some line that someone said about like, you can, you can sort of believe what you want in American politics and you'll get rich for it. Like no matter what you actually believe, there's a group out there who are going to get you rich for having a belief in it. Like if it's the environmental people, if it's the fossil fuel people.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  I mean, there would be varying scales of it. But also you can fix this. Like there are ways to.

• 41:45Joe Rogan?

  To fix the money in politics?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I've been reading a lot about Lee Kuan Yew.

• 41:49Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  He was the, sort of the dictator of Singapore. They might not like that. Because he won.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  Don't go there.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  He won, he won elections. But Singapore is like a single party state.

• 41:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it's like when Putin wins.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  I don't want to get in trouble with the people of Singapore.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Listen.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  But it is notable that one party wins every single time and they don't primary and they win almost all the seats. And they are really popular, but he brought in like canings and he got drugs out of the country and he started paying the politicians a lot. Like if you're a politician in Singapore, you get a huge salary, but you are not to ever be corrupt. Like you're meant to have enough money that they can't really buy you.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  And that might be the only way, because if you have, you know, what are you, what are they earning a hundred and seventy thousand something dollars a year?

• 42:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  To be a congressperson. If they are making three million dollars a year and the punishment for taking money from anybody else or from getting a stock, you know, maybe you can't own stocks, but we give you three million dollars a year.

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Then at least you can't be swayed, like you're taking a lot of tax money to do the job. But at least there's some insulation on someone being able to go, I want you to vote this way.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  I think if you have a totalitarian dictatorship, you could probably pull that off because if the politician is bad, you could shoot him.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  The problem in America, if you have three million dollars and you know a guy who's got fifty million dollars, you feel poor because we're retarded. All right. Brian Callan has a friend who's worth, I think he's worth eight billion dollars. And he feels broke because his friend is worth thirty.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, for real.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:22Joe Rogan?

  There's people that get that goofy.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  I've met, I've seen it a couple of times.

• 43:25Joe Rogan?

  So if you're in the business of trying to make money, which is what most politicians are, it's like they decided not to go into sales. They go into politics, they're trying to make as much money as they can while they're there.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's what most people are doing with most jobs. If you're doing that and you're, you're just kind of a, a, a person who's drawn to that kind of a job. You're not going to be happy with your salary if you find out that there's some NGO that you can invest in and you can start a nonprofit. And then it becomes a profit and you can funnel money overseas. And then corporations that you buy into also can use the, you know, the laws that you're passing. You're gonna do it anyway. They're gonna do it anyway.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  This is why Plato says they're not allowed to touch money.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  I cannot be corrupted. You'd have to kill them. If you, if you catch them corrupt, you gotta shoot them in, in front of everybody. You're gonna say, this is what happens when you steal from America. Boom. I'm not saying you should do that, but I'm saying that's the only way you're gonna stop it. It would have to be a totalitarian dictatorship, but then it brings us back to the thing about using the military in the cities. When do you draw the line?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  When do you draw the line? Like, when, like, okay, what's hate speech, right? So hate speech can mean a bunch of different things to different people. So as soon as you say, we can't permit hate speech, okay, well then you can't permit freedom of speech because you're just defining hate by whatever. That's the same line when you bring the military into the cities. It's the same line. It's like you're doing something you shouldn't be able to do and you're justifying doing it, saying, because this is a special case. The problem is, what if that gets solved? You're gonna move further to the, even more, you've, you've already got me to allow you to arrest, you can arrest me for tweeting things, okay? I've already said yes to that. So what else is next? Like, you're gonna, you're gonna keep going.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  If you make money, you wanna, gonna wanna make more money. If you pass laws, you wanna, wanna pass more laws.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  That's how you get numbers on the board. That's how you win this fucking game. You can't let them ever score.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Then you have to de-game the system. Long term, if you're gonna have a democracy, you have to have.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta de-game the system. But the problem is, there's so much profit in it and they get to vote on whether or not they can still do this insider trading thing, right? Which is bananas. Like, who thinks we should still steal? Oh, can we have an anonymous vote?

• 45:48Speaker 01

  You don't have this problem with an aristocracy, that's all I'm saying. If you finally go back to the powdered wigs and silk stockings.

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  There's a terrible argument for that. Because you're just hoping that the person is a benevolent dictator. That's the best case scenario. You get a benevolent king. But how, how many of those have ever existed?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  We've had so many beautiful benevolent kings. We've got a benevolent king right now in my country.

• 46:13Joe Rogan?

  It's um, it's strange, right? It's like, there's no right way to run people because no one really should be one. There's never a time where it makes sense where one person is the head dude of 350 million people. That is nuts. That is completely nuts.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. But you also, I mean, as a country, you have a great tolerance, I think, compared to other like Western democracies for letting there be some chaos.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because we're have, we have guns. That's part of it.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  I think.

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  This is a heavily armed country.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Tolerating chaos allows you to have the guns, though. Like, if you didn't have the virtue of going, some people are gonna get shot and we're gonna be okay with that.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that. It's like, you know, it was written into the constitution because we were rebelling, right? We were, we were rebelling from a dictatorship. We had escaped. And when we had declared that this was a country, we were like, we gotta stay strapped because these motherfuckers might come back. And we all agreed to that.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  And then it got to a point where people go, okay, but they were talking about muskets. Now people have AR-15s. Now people have, you know, switches they could put on Glocks and it can fire automatic, like.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Is a tactical nuclear weapon defended under the Second Amendment?

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  You wanna hear the scariest thing that I heard? This, this is a guy that was talking about the UAP program and the back engineering of you, you flying saucers.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:38Joe Rogan?

  They, what do they call it? A simultaneous or a spontaneous? What was the word that he used for it? Instantaneous. That these UFOs, that they believe use some sort of a gravity, some sort of a propulsion system that's unknown to modern science, standard conventional science. And they can transport, literally transport, like going from place to place in space instantaneously. And so what did the United States government try to do? They tried to use it as a method of delivering a nuclear bomb. So an instantaneous nuclear payload delivery system. That's what they were calling flying saucers. The, the first thing they thought about doing with them was instantaneously deliver a nuke.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  So no one could retaliate and they didn't even see it coming. You would just have a flying saucer with a nuke appear at the Kremlin.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  What's weird though, you guys had that capability for years.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I mean.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  You mean the bomb?

• 48:39Speaker 01

  I mean, when no one else had the nuclear bomb and when we didn't have good anti-air programs.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  And just America alone had nuclear weapons.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  You could have at that point, you could have said, "We're in charge of the world now or everyone's dead."

• 48:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was a bunch of people that did. I mean, that's what Doctor Strange loves all about, right?

• 48:55Speaker 01

  You made movies about it and you talked about it, but you didn't do it when the Suez Crisis kicked off. I think Eisenhower was like, "Can we get a nuke in there?" And people said, "No, Mr. President."

• 49:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they came real close to nuking things three or four times.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  What a beautiful thing that you held back.

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  No one else would have. I talk about this, I think about this a lot, that like, if anyone else had discovered the nuclear weapon, that's it, you'd have global hegemony by one power.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that is one thing about America that most people will agree to, is that we like to think of ourselves as being the best country in America and that comes with responsibility. Being the greatest superpower comes with responsibility. That's why people get real uncomfortable about like, drone bombing, statistics and shit like that, to get real uncomfortable, because it makes you really, really question like, what we do.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:44Joe Rogan?

  When you, you know, when you tell people, "Did you know that like, more than 80% of the people that die in drone bombings are civilians? Accidental kills."

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Every time someone tries to be nice about Obama, then they have to go, "Oh, the drone bombings, he did drone bomb a lot of innocent people."

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  I know. They always have to do that. You know, listen, I think we found out through Obama, most likely what you find out through anybody that gets through there that's not Trump, is that they immediately co-opt you into the system. You had no idea how the system worked until you got in there. You were a senator for two years, and then all of a sudden you're a president, and you have some amazing ideas, and you're a great spokesperson, and probably the best statesman we've ever had. Like, the best representative of the best about America. A guy who is from a single mom, you know, grew up poor, didn't, you know, didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth. Forget about all the narratives of him being related somehow to the Bushes, there's a lot of that.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  I didn't know that.

• 50:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's like a whole conspiracy theory. But, point is, that what you got is a guy who... was promoting hope and change, right? And that's what we were all really hoping was gonna happen, but not. It was really kind of like another Bush term in terms of like foreign policy, in terms of a lot of things. In terms of like the way America felt about America, though, it was good. It was like, hey, racism has obviously like stopped being an issue to get you to be the president of the United States. Because a black man just won. And it's not saying that racism doesn't exist, but we're doing better than we used to do. This was not possible when Martin Luther King Jr. Was making his I have a dream speech, but it is possible now. So we have progressed and he's brilliant.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  So it's and he's and he's like well measured and calm and peaceful and he never calls reporters piggy. He never, he never makes meed tweets when his enemies die. You know, like, so it's a representative of America.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  It's gotten to the point where the Rob Reiner tweet just went over, it just like.

• 51:35Joe Rogan?

  It killed it for a lot of people, yeah.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Is that it? But like, no, I mean, I saw it and I was like, oh, yeah, of course, he's mocking a dead man.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, that guy tried to jail him for, you know, year, and this is not forgiving him for that. This is not.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Rob Reiner tried to jail.

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, there's a video of him working with intelligence agents. He was working with James Clapper and who's the other guy? Clapper and. Why, how come I can't remember that?

• 52:04Speaker 01

  I just, I still think it's a good policy that once a guy dies.

• 52:07Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  It was with McCain as well. I remember that they hated each other.

• 52:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, hundred percent. It's gross. It's a gross thing to mock a man after he's dead. It's just pointless. But the real problem is it's a bad look for America in general, right? It's a, it's a mark of cruelty that ultimately could lead people to think differently about America and perhaps motivate attacks. That's a real thing, like a kooky person. You can sway them either way by the vibe the country is giving off. And the president is giving off a vibe that, you know, his enemy, at least mocking the fact that his, you know, his enemy was obsessed with him. And that's what led to his son going crazy and killing him.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  I've had friends come over and visit me and almost all of them have been scared to come. Like people who haven't been to America before.

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  They're scared to come to America?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  People are very scared to come to America.

• 52:58Joe Rogan?

  Good.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Well, this is like not Honduras, this is just Australians who are like, there's gun violence. It looks, if you just, if all you're seeing is the news, you go, well, civil war's right around the corner.

• 53:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what they want us to see. That's what they want us to see.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  People are way more interested in college football than killing each other in the street.

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  Especially in Texas. They're, they're, what they're, way, most people are way more interested in living their lives. The problem is when your life becomes that. The problem is when your life becomes a cause. When your life, whether it's a religious cause, you know, a jihadist cause, a right-wing cause, a left-wing cause. Your life becomes a fucking cause. You know, we have to stop oil now. And you're gluing your fucking hand to a painting. You know, there's a lot of nutty, stupid shit that goes on with just being a human being. And it's all accelerated by social media.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  But I find it heartening that people give a shit here.

• 53:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  That people know on some level, maybe they don't have like a good grasp of what's actually happening in the world. But there's a sense in America that people kind of know who their politicians are. They're across what the issues that they're being asked to vote on. Ah, ah. And this, I like, in Australia, the extent to which people have no idea what is going on and are so checked out and don't know any of it. And are not like actively participating in democracy. You guys really care. Like people primary and they scrutinize people and they, there's some belief that you can still get involved in politics here. I really, it's like the most heartening thing about it is that, and that's the downside is if everybody cares, then you do get, you get people going off the deep end.

• 54:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, you just gotta keep it a fair game. And as long as you keep it a fair game, if you don't do a good job and that person gets into power, you fucked up. So now your team has to regroup and rebuild and come back again in four years. And that's what it's supposed to be. But when you start trying to do things like moving all the illegals to specific states so that you get more congressional seats because of the census, and then you start giving them social security numbers and Medicaid and Medicare, and you start rigging the system because you want to like bring in more voters and you're spending, and this is what they did. This is undeniable at this point.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Fetterman was cupped to it. He was like, yeah, I saw him on, yeah.

• 55:08Joe Rogan?

  Unde, it's undeniable what they did. And I get it. Like you're playing a dirty game, they're playing a dirty game. And this is not a right or left thing. I remember that hacking democracy, um. Documentary that was on HBO back in the day. It was during the Bush administration. And this hacking democracy, they had tested these voting machines. And this is a long time ago, right? So this is like, what was it like, 2004, Jamie? What was that? Somewhere around then? So this, this was a much less sophisticated system that I'm sure that they're using today. But there was a third party input. For some reason, it had been set up so a third party can input data into the machine and change the votes. And they did it on TV. They did it on TV.

• 55:53Joe Rogan?

  They showed that they could do it easily. And they affected the votes. So they showed back then, they were essentially saying that the Bush administration had rigged the vote, and that's how they got Bush into office. And this company that made these machines was a big contributor to the Republican Party. So this shit has been going on on both sides.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  But that was true, I mean, in 2000, that was true. Everybody thinks the JFK election.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  The film investigates, oh, for sure, the JFK election. The flawed integrity of the electronic voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold Election Systems, exposing previously unknown backdoors in the Diebold trade secret computer software. The film culminates dramatically in the on-camera hacking of the in-use working Diebold election system in Leon County, Florida, the same computer voting system which has been used in actual American elections across 33 states, and which still counts tens of millions of American votes today. Whoa, today? Is that real? The same fucking machines?

• 56:49Speaker 03

  When it was written, I don't know.

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  When did, when did this article come out?

• 56:52Speaker 03

  This is Wikipedia, I don't know.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  It's usually up there.

• 56:55Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's crazy if they're still using the same machines. That's crazy. But that was a thing during Georgia, right? They were supposed to upgrade their machines, but they decided to wait until after the election to do it?

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Why is there no pressure to make the elections feel more real?

• 57:08Joe Rogan?

  I think because they're both rigging it.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  But if they're both rigging it, then if neither of them was rigging it.

• 57:14Joe Rogan?

  They just want to win, man, and then call everybody conspiracy theorists. Both sides, by the way. This is not one side or the other. I think both sides are trying to do whatever the fuck they can.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  I don't think both sides rigging it is the same.

• 57:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it's not been used in business in the US since 2009. Well, this is about the Bush administration, the Diebold things. And what you're hearing about mail-in ballots, that's about the left. It's like, you're, you're getting the same thing on both sides. One of the things that Rep. Luna said when she was on the podcast, I thought was fascinating. She's like, there's certain problems that they don't want to fix because they can campaign finance against it. They can like get people to donate money against it.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, like they could run on that platform. We're gonna fix this. Like, they don't wanna fix it. Because that's how they get money.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Right, like if you're in a homelessness.

• 57:57Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Curing organization, you actually need the homeless so you can keep existing.

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it's even worse. They're incentivized to have more homeless.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  They get paid per homeless.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  It.

• 58:08Joe Rogan?

  So if they have more homeless people, they can say, hey, we need a bigger budget. We have more homeless people.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  I remember when we had the unemployed in Australia, it was like we had these companies that would, it was their job to get you a job and the government would pay the money. But you got more money for finding someone a job if they've been unemployed for a longer period of time. So it's like, don't try too hard to find them a job for the first two years, alright? Two years in, then get them a job.

• 58:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're growing some plants. You don't wanna pick it so early.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  I don't think the answer is just a good king who solves everybody's problems, but I really do.

• 58:40Joe Rogan?

  You'd be a good king. Why don't you go over to Australia and be king of Australia?

• 58:44Speaker 01

  We've got enough problems.

• 58:45Joe Rogan?

  You can fix it.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  I've talked about getting our own king many, I did a show about it once. I really, I think Aboriginal king would be.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody thinks. Yeah, for sure. That'll work. Everybody wants, like, the perfect system and it's not going to ever exist and I don't think it ever will because I think there's always going to be, no matter what happens, no matter who's in charge and no matter who's doing this, there's always gonna be people that oppose. No matter what, like naturally opposed, even if illogically, there's, it's never gonna be perfect, but you gotta make it the most fair. It's gotta be fair. And as soon as you catch someone rigging the system, you gotta, that has to be alarm bells that go off for everybody on every side. It shouldn't, if you find out that there was mail-in ballots that were illegal and they were fake and they were brought in so that the Republicans can win some sort of a primary,

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  if you found out that was true and you were a Republican, you're supposed to be upset.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

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• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  You've got to make it seem fair enough so that there's not a violent uprising.

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Like, just for having a future for the country.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta be the will of the people.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  That was that January 7 thing.

• 1:01:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  That was people going, no, but that was, that was those people. That was a lot, there were some people there who were definitely feds trying to bring them in the building.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I, I wonder how many were feds before that? Here's the question. There's a bunch of people that were feds at the scene. They finally had to admit that.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  We were going to the Capitol.

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  That man's cra, have you seen that guy? It's crazy.

• 1:01:38Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. There's a bunch of people that called people to go into the Capitol to break in. And a bunch of them probably were feds. But how many feds were on these chat groups? How many feds were on message boards? How many feds were instigating people to do things and talking about things that aren't true? Or saying things that they're pla, how many, how many feds were trying to get the kookiest of the kooky riled up?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. But then also, like, why is the blame not on, why do the Democrats not go, we've contributed to making a system that, even if this is a totally legitimate, like, group of people who really believe what they're doing by stealing the Capitol. We've contributed to building a system that looks really fake to a lot of people. Where we could take really easy steps to make it look less fake. Like, you could have, I don't understand why voter ID isn't everywhere, and they go, well, not everyone has an ID.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's racist.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Give them one.

• 1:02:33Joe Rogan?

  It's racist. What you're saying is racist.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  How hard could it be?

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Hey, check your white privilege. You are a straight white male. Why don't you just shut the fuck up?

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  All the other races can have a photograph taken of themselves just as easily on a little laminated card.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  All those other races just a few years ago needed proof of vaccination. So this is kooky. It's completely kooky.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  But then, nothing is being done now to actually bring it in.

• 1:02:58Joe Rogan?

  It's illegal to show your ID in California.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Where? Where?

• 1:03:01Joe Rogan?

  California.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  In the whole state of California?

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  You cannot show your ID when you vote.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  If you want to?

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  You can't show it.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  You can't wear it on a lanyard around your neck?

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Nope. They'll fire you. They'll kick you out of there. You can't vote now, sir. I don't know what they would do if you came in with a lanyard. That might be the move. But the point is, they made it easier to cheat on purpose. Like, that's the only reason why you would do that. And to say, like, it's racist to require ID, how do I know who you are? I don't know you. There's a million people in this fucking town. And this is like, one polling station is lined around the block. I don't know you. I need your ID. This is crazy.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  There was a clip from the Obama election that I remember watching where they were talking to a guy. It was like, they asked him, have you ever voted before? He said, no. Did you vote? He goes, yeah, it felt so good, I went back and did it again. And then they cut off to somebody else. But I've always remembered that that felt.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you don't have ID, you could just change your clothes and go back in, especially if you're a nondescript, you know.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  I don't have an anti-Gavin Newsom bent, but I don't understand why he's the guy the Dems are pushing.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Because.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  He's from a state that everybody agrees is in huge disrepair.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't agree that. He thinks it's killing it.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  They can't build a train.

• 1:04:11Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's great.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  They've wasted billions of dollars trying to get a reasonably short distance covered with a train. And he can't do it.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna get it worked out. He's gonna be president, and then he's gonna fix it all. The problem is Trump. The reason why it's Trump, Trump is the real reason why California's failed, is Trump. Once he gets into office, Trump will be out, and he'll fix the whole country and say, guys, you had to trust me on the long plan.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  People will buy into it. The reason why is because there's no one else. This is the reason.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  There must be so many charismatic.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  They force so many people that are rational out. So many people that aren't corrupt, they force them out. And then other people don't want their laundry dug up. They don't want fake stories told about them. They don't want ex-girlfriends to get paid off to come up with crackpot theories of them being a satanic person or whatever. Drug addict, abusive.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  He did this.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Only people who.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Left a dead bear in the park.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  You should get like Bill Cosby as the candidate. Or people of Bill Cosby level stature. This is my new idea.

• 1:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear it.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Just someone who is so, you, there's nothing to blackmail them with. People already think this is one of the worst people imaginable.

• 1:05:19Joe Rogan?

  R. Kelly for president.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Right. You can't, everyone knows he had a dungeon with a lady in it, okay? You can't blackmail R. Kelly at this point. So whatever R. Kelly says he wants to do, he probably wants to do that. His reputation can't get any lower.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  If you only put forward people who have done terrible things. If Epstein was still alive, you could have him, because what are you gonna blackmail him with? He was getting, he was doing all sorts of terrible things.

• 1:05:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, you would like to have a very good person who just hasn't done terrible things, because he's just a very good person.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can just lie about them. The only security against being blackmailed even about a lie.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Is to be a total piece of shit.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Is to be the worst man in the country.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  No one likes my idea.

• 1:05:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a good idea for now. I think what we're gonna really be able to know within the next few years is whether or not you're telling the truth. I think with wearable electronics, I think ultimately they're trying to do something that allows you to communicate head to head. Have you seen that stuff where they do it?

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  I'm not getting it. I don't wanna.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, what they have right now is a wearable. These guys put it on, they think something, and then the other person hears it.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  This is one of the worst things I've ever heard.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have to see it. You have to see it. It's crazy when you watch them actually do it. So right now, it's attached to an actual computer behind them, but that's for now. Eventually, it's going to be wearable, just like everything. It gets smaller. I mean, this is bigger than.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  You're so much more relaxed with the AI stuff and the technology than I am.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  You can't.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  I'm fighting it.

• 1:06:45Joe Rogan?

  If you see the asteroid coming, you have to realize you're gonna die. Like, there's nothing you can do about it.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  The Amish have continued very happily.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's going to be as disastrous as everybody thinks. I just don't believe that. I think we'll figure it out. But I think it's gonna be a massive upheaval of our total, completely our economic system, our life system, the way we interact. But we have to realize, this is what's really important. The way we interact is really new. The way we live in cities stacked in high rises and driving around in cars. This is a tiny little blip in time that the human race has existed like this. Before that, we had a totally different thing. And for the longest time, people traded things back and forth.

• 1:07:35Joe Rogan?

  And they, they used gold coins and silver coins and, and there was no stock market. Like, this whole thing that we're doing right now with automation and you're worried about it's taking jobs. Those jobs weren't even a thing in the past. Yeah, we built this giant population based on the fact that jobs would exist. Where it gave people the confidence to procreate, get married and have kids and, and this. We'll find another way. We'll have to. People will have to. It'll, it's just, it's not gonna be pretty. But it's just like everything else that happens. It's this massive change in society and culture. We're gonna have to adapt.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  I'm in, I'm in flight mode on it. I wanna be on an acreage, you know.

• 1:08:15Joe Rogan?

  You get nervous when I play AI music in the green room.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  When I go, this is good. And you go, AI! And I go, yeah!

• 1:08:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you love that country, that country one I played the other day. That was good, right?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  The 50 Cent stuff is fantastic. My favorite remains the Japanese cover of Oasis. Uh, have you heard Japanese Oasis?

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  No, I have not.

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  If you type in Japanese Wonderwall, it is, I like it a lot.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  Can we play it? Can we play it, Jamie? Or would it be an issue? We gotta cut it out? We have to cut it out?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  I don't think anyone owns the rights to Japanese.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  They might. Somebody probably does.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  The people who wrote the song Wonderwall do.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  That's how that works.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  The performance of this would be a different situation, but.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  I can do it now. I can do it. I can pella. I'm getting a lot of trouble.

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Let's hear it. Wonderwall Oasis cover Japanese Enka is the title on YouTube.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  This is the right one, I'm hoping?

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is it.

• 1:09:10Joe Rogan?

  New Wave Films is the page. Oh, you have a problem. Stop this. Stop this. Stop this. Stop this. You're a sick man, James.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Buckbeats.

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Why do you like that? Why do you like that?

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Because it's the funniest voice of all time.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  But it's weird. It's not a real person. It looks like an old video.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  So they've cut up an old video and put it over the AI music.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what they did.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  But if you look very closely, you can find the original music and she's singing something, a folk song about a sad man.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was like AI generated video because you could do that, you know?

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  I just, I want to retreat from it. I want to be on a farm. I want to have the chicken. I know, but this is also not like a serious way to build a society. I'm shocked that no one's blowing up the servers. Like when they invented the loom, people in Britain were like, we will destroy all of the looms. No one is like upset now that robots can think.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't know what to do, right? And it feels inevitable because it is. No one's going to stop it. And if they did stop it, no one would listen. And if we did listen, the problem is China's not going to listen. And it's a Manhattan Project kind of race.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yes, but then you, okay, we've got to get the nuclear bomb first, but how does that pan out in the end? Is everybody has the nuclear bomb?

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, you have to have one. Like if AI exists and they can take over your financial system, they could do like, you're going to have to have AI that combats AI and your AI better be better than their AI.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  I like.

• 1:10:35Joe Rogan?

  And you have to have everything protected against AI.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  I want to lose in a fabulous way that inspires people like a martyr.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  That's what you want to do?

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  That's what.

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  That's why you should be the king of Australia.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  No, I mean.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  That's like your, that should be your speech.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're gonna lose. We're gonna lose. And people are gonna be so, they're gonna respect how we lose. This is the Christian message. Well. Of getting defeated, and that's the ultimate victory.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  I think it's coming, dude, whether you like it or not. And it's better if we have it than if we don't. If you're Papua New Guinea and the AI overlords come storming into your town, you have no say. It's over.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  I don't know. We've tried to have a say over Papua New Guinea a couple of times. They're very hard to manage.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a very hostile place.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  They're doing their own thing.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  That is a very, uh, like forbidding jungle.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are. No one wants to talk about it in Australia. Every time I try and talk about Papua New Guinea. At first, I didn't know about, like, racists would come at me at a party with facts, like, there's cannibalism in Papua New Guinea.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Shut up. And then you look it up and you go, oh, God.

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's for real.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  There's a lot of cannibalism.

• 1:11:40Joe Rogan?

  They probably ate a Rockefeller.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Uh, the Kennedys used to go there as well.

• 1:11:45Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that one Rockefeller kid?

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  I had heard about.

• 1:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  I think the Rockefeller who went. He disappeared though, right?

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  I think what happened was the first time he went, he insulted them. Cause he wanted something from them. He offered like to give them some money or something for something that they had, and they were like, no. And apparently, the article that I'd read was assuming that that was some sort of an insult, that he didn't understand. And then when he came back, he got in a boat with them and they stabbed him immediately. And then they brought him back to the shore and they murdered him. And this is from an account of another guy who I think was there. It's a very mysterious case. This guy could be full of shit. Because it's a very mysterious case. The guy went there before, then he went back and disappeared. But.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  I mean, there are a lot of people who went back. I know there was a Kennedy woman who went there and was like on a mission with, uh, people. And she loved them so much, she had a piano helicoptered in. She had like a grand piano. She was like not a very, she was a rich lady who didn't really understand how things worked. And then if you put a piano in the Highlands of Papua New Guinea, you couldn't like maintain that piano.

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Duh.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  But now they're like, just this village has a beautiful old grand piano that definitely doesn't work now. She was like, I wanna give them something.

• 1:12:55Joe Rogan?

  How long did she live there for?

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Uh, years. There was a woman I used to go to church with who said she was there with her.

• 1:13:02Joe Rogan?

  So don't insult them and they wanna eat you. Seems simple.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, but how do you not insult people?

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Over there, you don't.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  I, um.

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  They probably don't take a good joke.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I thought about living there for a while. I thought that that would be like. I was looking it up. I was seeing if it, because it's cheaper.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  So my thought when I was very poor, because it was near Australia, I thought like, yeah, this is rough.

• 1:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, when they're having a bow and arrow fight?

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  Live in Port Moresby and then just fly in and out and do gigs in Australia.

• 1:13:27Joe Rogan?

  What year is this? 1964? So in 1964, they were having a bow and arrow fight?

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  I think this is going on to this day.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  It says it's actually a war, a tribal war.

• 1:13:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  They're trying to get them a football team.

• 1:13:39Joe Rogan?

  See, man, this is what people do. You get people into groups, they do that, even in Papua New Guinea. This, this, this is like a test of, look at that guy's penis. That's weird.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  It's beautiful.

• 1:13:48Joe Rogan?

  He's got like a big stick.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  But this is also, they're having a great time.

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

  What's going on with his dick?

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:13:53Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Who are we to judge? They're beautiful.

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Is that like a?

• 1:13:55Speaker 01

  That's a cone over his penis.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  A cone over his dick? Yeah. They got cones over their dicks.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  I've seen people on Sixth Street dressed like that.

• 1:14:02Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  What is happening here?

• 1:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Every one of those dudes has to get after it every day. Lot of dongs. Kind of wild that they don't even wear clothes when they do this. And they just close up shooting arrows at each other. This is...

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  But the cameraman is just relaxed.

• 1:16:26Joe Rogan?

  And they have to turn around and run away. They're picking up arrows. This is so crazy. These arrows fly terrible.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Have I told you about my favorite ever... I don't know if I said it last time I was on. My favorite ever Papua New Guinea video is at the rugby where the guys stormed the pitch. Have I told you about this?

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  No. I want to watch a little bit more of that, but then tell me about that. Because I'm fascinated by how shitty their strategy is. I'm like, how did these guys make it this long fighting bow and arrow fights like this?

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  When you read the Iliad or something, this is kind of how people are fighting. That there's like two big masses and then one guy steps forward.

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but this is like really shitty weaponry.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, how have they not figured out better weapons?

• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, these are terrible bows and they don't have any feathers on their arrows. Like, those things fly like shit. Like, think of the Mongols in, you know.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  The twelve hundreds, they figured out the recurve bow.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Also, like, the Maori just went out and got guns. Like, they traded for guns. The Indians traded for guns. They didn't.

• 1:17:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, I guess nobody was bringing guns to Papua New Guinea in nineteen sixty-four.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  They're deciding. Well, they must have, because they were involved in World War Two.

• 1:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Bro, these guys hate each other. I guarantee if you gave them ARs with red dots, they would just go running through that field, mowing those motherfuckers down.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  They're just having a good time.

• 1:17:42Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps. Oh, that guy got hit.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Penis cone fellow.

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  No, he got hit.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  He, did you see? He had blood on his ribs.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  This is not.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  What's that, Jamie?

• 1:17:51Speaker 03

  They're trying to help him in some way. I don't know if he had, like, splinters stuck in his.

• 1:17:54Joe Rogan?

  It looked like he had blood on the left side of his body.

• 1:17:56Speaker 03

  Well, for sure, but like that whole little series there was like, close up, not really surgery or something.

• 1:18:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what were they doing? He might have got stuck a few times, man.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  Also, I'm not showing this on the screen, because it's.

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. Copyright.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  It's all sorts of stuff.

• 1:18:10Joe Rogan?

  All sorts of shit. A lot of dongs, too. Yeah, it's like, you know, the, the thing about places like that is that place has, it's the, ah, the environment is so hostile.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  It's so hostile to, like, to survive there for generation after generation after generation. You live a subsistence lifestyle. You live off the land. And everybody has to hunt and gather. And if people come into your side from the other side, these motherfuckers, they're trying to steal your food. They're gonna, you have to go to a tribal war.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  And that's how they've been rocking it, probably, for thousands and thousands of years.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  And AI, though. There's a, there's a middle path between.

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't, listen, you can't stop AI, buddy. You can't stop AI.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  I'm hopeful.

• 1:18:58Joe Rogan?

  No, you gotta stop.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  How many movies did we have to have, warning us that it was terrible?

• 1:19:02Joe Rogan?

  All of them. Then none of them worked. It doesn't matter.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  I don't think there's one movie saying it was a good idea to have a thinking robot.

• 1:19:07Joe Rogan?

  It's inevitable. It's inevitable. It's inevitable.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  We got.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  You just have to accept it. You have to accept it and.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  I can't do it.

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Live your life. You can't, listen, we don't know what the change is going to be. And I don't really believe that we're going to let it be entirely bad. And I think it's probably better to have something like that than to not, when you're dealing with things like. You know, the power grabs that are going on all over the world, where they're trying to lock people up for speech violations in the UK. It's 12,000 people this year, and they're making people get digital ID, and they're doing all these different things. Like, at a certain point in time, you're gonna benefit from a superintelligence that can rationally explain why this is no way to sustain a civilization.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  I would like us to have some say over how we implement that.

• 1:20:01Joe Rogan?

  I would like to be able to tell God what to tell me.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  We've got that. He set up a beautiful church.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  All we have to do is listen.

• 1:20:07Joe Rogan?

  It's what you're asking, though.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  But like with cars, you can use cars in a way that makes a society great. Like, if you have a... But then you can also have cars that ruin a whole neighborhood and a whole city, and you can't walk anywhere, and it's a big problem.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  You mean leaking oil?

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  I mean, like, just having a freeway that cuts through for no reason, or like, not being able to walk around the downtown or something.

• 1:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Like, you can use it in a specific... The New Polity magazine is what I've been reading on this, where they're like Catholic guys in Steubenville who are like, "How can we, to what extent, you know, can we choose to use technology in a way that's helpful to us? And how much are we just like absolutely governed by what the technology becomes? And then we have to be subservient to it." Like, do we get to choose how we use technology around us? Or are we just...

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Why do you assume, though, that we're gonna be subservient to it? That's where it gets weird.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Because I think we're subservient to the car. Like, no one wants to live in a... When you see what cars do to certain cities in America, and you go like... Like, it's so... When you're in New Orleans and you're walking around, and there's problems with New Orleans, but like, you're walking around the French Quarter, which is like designed before cars. It's so... You can have music, you can like run around on the street, and it's like a beautiful, nice place to be compared to like a strip mall, when you build it the way people have to live around what the cars are. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can have... Like, the way that they build a freeway and a weird block of houses next to it, and no one can walk anywhere. Like, you just can't get out on your legs anywhere. Or, like, that seems like you're building it based on the car.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  You're building the car, but you make the car have the maximum ease for how it can operate, and you try and live in the shadow of that, rather than going, "What's a nice way to live as a person? And how do we use the car to increase our quality of life?" Like, can we use AI to like make our lives better? Or do we have to?

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  You know, like, we can do digital IDs, should we?

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  No, let me ask you, what do you think is like worst case scenario for AI? Like, what are you really genuinely scared of?

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Oh, uh.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  Man, it'd be a bunch of things. I don't want to just start with the porno. But certainly the porno spooks me out, the AI porno.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  But that's already here.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  I think the writing and the ability to write and think and process information. And that's definitely like carved away. Like, if you look at kids in schools who are using AI instead of writing an essay.

• 1:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  People can't write five sentences together because they're just, they're not developing the skill. And you don't.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  You know, if people are getting a degree in something, already people were outsourcing that to people to help them, you know, write an essay or something. But if you get like a bachelor of arts is increasingly worthless if AI can do it for you. And then you can, you can say, I know about history.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  So like, I think the functionality of education, I'm terrified of that falling apart and people not knowing how to read people, which is already disintegrated, sure, but I think this rapidly speeds that up. I mean, I'm afraid of, as like an artist, if I want to go and like make a movie or something. Maybe I'm just like old fashioned and attached to the idea of having a camera and having people act. But it's like, I can increasingly see less and less reason that you'd have to do that. And someone wouldn't just write it out and go, this happens in this scene, change that guy's up. You know what I mean? Like, there's something. And more than anything, I get spooked out with the video. And what scares me about the music is I hear the music, I hear the audio AI. When you put on the songs and I go, this is actually very good. This doesn't have an otherworldly quality to it. This is actually just a good song, it sounds like.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  But when I see the video, I feel like, I get the heebie jeebies on the AI video. Do you get that at all?

• 1:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  And I go, this is. Who is showing me this? What is the intelligence behind this?

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a lie, right? That's part of it. But it's like a pretty damn good lie that you know it's gonna get way better at lying. Like, that's pretty good right now. Like, it's like when a four-year-old lies to you.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  You're bad at this.

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  When you're twenty, you're gonna be a con man. You know what I mean? It's like, you know it's got a real potential to be something that is... Like, I already see disaster videos every day that aren't real. Like, every day I saw, uh, uh, someone sent me, uh, like, um, like, uh... One of those cruise boats going into a giant fucking bridge and all the cars collapsing on top of it. One of those massive cruise ships. It's totally fake. And I can kind of pick it out right away. I was like, "I didn't hear about this. This isn't real." I think, "No, it's fake." And I'm watching it, and I'm like, "Okay, it's fake."

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  But it takes a minute.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  But it takes a minute.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  And like, a year and a half ago, it didn't get the hands right.

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. And it's gonna be, within a year, you're not gonna be able to tell at all. You're gonna have no idea. You have no idea. There's so many animal attacks now that are fake. There's so much that's fake. But it's the price that you pay for the advancement and the capabilities of doing things. I think there's still gonna be a value that people wanna go see a movie that someone made. Just like, there's people out there that still live, go wanna see live shows. Like, live shows are another change. There's a connection that human beings have at live shows. Like Kill Tony we did last night.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:23Joe Rogan?

  How fun. So fun. The most fun.

• 1:25:26Speaker 01

  It was one of the best ones that there's been.

• 1:25:28Joe Rogan?

  It was really fun. But that's, that's a real moment that we all shared together.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  You can't recreate that with AI. But there's a lot of things you can, and that's just a fact. That's just how it is.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  I don't think we can...

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  You can't change it.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  I want, I just want more of that. I wanna live in a spontaneous...

• 1:25:45Joe Rogan?

  You can.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Society.

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, hopefully more people will also choose to do something that's in their wheelhouse to do along those lines. As long as you still have a thing that you're trying to work towards, you're gonna be okay. Like, if... Let's say if, the real weird one is universal basic income. Because this is, Elon is famously said, and I don't know what this even fucking means. But not only will people have universal basic income, it'll be actually universal high income. There'll be enough prosperity that everyone in the country will get a large, you will never have to work again. But then the problem is you're completely dependent on the state, if there is a state anymore.

• 1:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is the state when there's a digital god that you've created in the center of the town that has his own nuclear power plant that's operating everything?

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  I have no logical rationale for why these things are terrible. But in my soul, it screams out, "Let's not invent."

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you love being a human.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you love literature, and you know, you're an interesting guy. You like a lot of cool music. You love things that people make and create, and you create great comedy. So it makes sense. It makes sense that you feel the way you feel. And I share those feelings, but I'm also a realist. And I'm one of those people that just goes, "Okay, buckle up. Things are gonna get weird." Because it's gonna get weird. It's gonna get weird and people are gonna get super angry. There's gonna be a lot of people that they worked really hard to get a job, and that job is completely irrelevant now. It's been taken over.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  The job is irrelevant, and then also like being able to, just like, there's a freedom in being allowed to have a revolution.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  And that's what this country was founded on, is that when things get bad and the people cry out for a new form of government, they can go and get it.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  And I think that chances of anyone in the world having a revolution shot through the floor as soon as they invented robot dogs, they could chase you through the street. And I haven't seen the footage of the robot dogs in a couple of years, but I bet they're better than they used to be now.

• 1:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  And it's like, okay, if we have the robot dogs... How how is there gonna be an effective change of government? Or is that that's just it? If you own the robot dogs, no one else is really gonna be a threat to you as the ruling class. That's terrifying that you just have a permanent ossification like.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  You have a setting stone of what the ruling class is gonna be. Cause they've got weapons that no one can challenge them with.

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  That's worst case scenario, right? And one of the things you have to think is, why would AI let the working or the ruling class decide what it does?

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  I mean, cause they got it.

• 1:28:25Joe Rogan?

  Would they listen? Uh, no, no, no. At a certain point in time, it's gonna be sentient. A certain point in time, it's going to have its own robots that do its tasks, like different things that have to be built and structured and different things that have to be designed and engineered. It'll have that.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  It'll have robots that work on the material sciences and all these different things. But it'll be a god. It'll be a digital god. It's not gonna listen to a person that says, arrest people for saying, you know, Muslims shouldn't invade this country. It's not gonna be that. It's not gonna, it's not gonna listen to you. That's the real fear is that we're no longer gonna be the apex predator of the planet. And it's not even gonna be a predator, but it's just gonna be so.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Predator.

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Why would it be?

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  If it helped it.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  The thing, yeah, but why would it? What would it's, if it has any desires at all, if it becomes sentient, the real question is, would it do anything? It might just exist. If it really becomes brilliant and it really becomes all knowing, it might just exist. It might just say, figure it out on your own.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  I, more than anything, I think I have a religious impulse against this, where this is creating an idol. Right, like this is, Moses comes down and he goes, don't build the golden calf. That's not your god. We're building a very sophisticated golden calf.

• 1:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm, yeah. Well, I always wonder how much of the stories from the Bible, like especially the Old Testament, like how old are those stories? How long, what were they, what was the original thing that they were trying to document?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  You're going into Enoch in a big way.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, Rep Luna, same woman. She, she got me into that too. She said, have you never read it? I said, no. And I, you know, seen some passages online that were kinda kooky. I got the audiobook and when I really wanna trip out when I'm driving to the comedy club, I listen to the Book of Enoch in the car. It's completely bananas.

• 1:30:07Speaker 01

  It's bonkers.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  And it could have been included in the Bible. That's what's nuts.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  In some Bibles, it's in it. The Ethiopians kept it in, yeah.

• 1:30:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they should have kept it in in our Bible, too. We would have a completely different version of the creation of man.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  I mean, we but we do, what is it? Uh, who has the wheel within a wheel?

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Ezekiel.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Ezekiel. Yeah. I sat down, I tried to read Ezekiel a couple of months ago.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's bananas.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  I couldn't do it. I couldn't wade through it. And that made it in.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  But good luck explaining any of that.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  It's either Ezekiel had a UFO encounter or Ezekiel was tripping balls.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Either one of those things or both of those things together could be true.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  I I remember I was listening to your podcast and you I forget who you were talking to, but you were talking about hallucinogens and the church.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  And like people having miracles, experiencing visions because they were on something. And I remember thinking like, I think that could be the case, but also how low a stimulus these people had in their everyday life. Like, if you're in a field every day, seeing nothing but a field.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  For like, you know, and you're not eating very much. And then once a week, you go into this dark building and there's candlelight and music and incense and flashing things. That would probably unlock something strange if you had such an understimulated.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Also, a complete belief in what these people are saying.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  There was no atheists back then. There was no people that were like, ah, get out of here with all this god shit. Everybody believed.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  I think to a greater extent. I think there still would have been.

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's probably a few atheists. But it was probably way less.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Way less. Like, people are proud to be atheists today. It's a strange pride.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  There's less of them. Ten years ago, they were they were riding high.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see?

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  They won every debate. They were so proud and then they just went away.

• 1:31:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was like Sam Harris. He was really good at that. And Christopher Hitchens was really good at that, too.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  He was a man.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, both those guys were really good at shutting down religious ideas. But I think there's a there's actually a religious style of thinking involved in atheism. And I know a lot of people who used to be atheists that had psychedelic experiences that gave up on any of that and said, okay, I don't know. I think there's something else and I don't know what it is and I'm not gonna say that there's no God.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Well, even Christopher Hitchens, I don't wanna misrepresent him and people get angry at me, but he was not. I think his real views were closer to being agnostic than being an atheist.

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  He used atheist as a lot, but when you read him, he goes, oh, the universe is so incredible. And there's so much out there and I don't know, and I don't think these particular things are true. But he didn't discount the possibility that there was a sublime.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Of course, no, he's a, he was a very rational guy.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, he just really hated religious zealotry and he really hated justifications for wars. I mean, he was one of the harshest critics of Bill Clinton ever. Like that guy was.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  He did get behind Iraq, though.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  He did.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  And he's stuck with it for a long time.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  He did, unfortunately.

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  But have you seen?

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, there was a lot of people that got caught up in that. You know, they really did believe that that was a good idea. You know, especially post September 11th, there was a lot of people that really believed that this had to be done in order to protect us. Man, it's like with everything, you find out more behind the scenes stuff and what was really going on with Kuwait? And why did Iraq invade Kuwait in the first place? Why did we go back to Iraq after we've been gone for so long? It's like, oh, there's so much shenanigans.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Like always, always shenanigans. No one is great. Everyone is, you know, when Russell Crowe was here, your countryman, the great and powerful Russell Crowe.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  I never got to meet him, but I want to ask him so many questions.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Next time he's in town, I'll, yeah, well, you're gonna be in your fucking shitty country.

• 1:33:50Speaker 01

  I'll be back, I'll come back to meet Rusty. I want to ask him about when he met Azalea Banks and they got into a scrap.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  I do not think Australia's shitty, I love Australia, I'm just fucking.

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  Man, some of the things happening at the moment are making me very upset.

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the laws.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  This social media ban for under 16s.

• 1:34:03Joe Rogan?

  The people are fucking awesome. I love Australian people. I've had more fun in Australia than almost any other country I've visited. Fucking love it there, they're fun, they, they, they know how to party, they're generally friendly. Yeah.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  I think we also, we love not having to pay attention. Like that's one of our freedoms is just don't bother me, leave me alone, make me feel safe.

• 1:34:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  And so when there is a thing like this shooting, we just want to go, we'll take care of it. Get rid of the problem.

• 1:34:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, and then the problem is guns, go get the guns. Now, the problem is people willing to use the guns, because if people only have nine. Lives and they'll run around stab people.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  You know, if you have access to a car, you can drive through people like this is.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  The problem is people.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  And the problem is also you can't have defenseless cops. You can't have cops that don't have guns. Your cops have to have guns.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  I think there was like a chubby detective who took the shot, who got it done. And he was standing like forty yards away. He was a long way away with a pistol.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  And that is.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  I'll be at a red dot.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  No, he was.

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  He was. He's like, he's wearing a white shirt. I think there's a great photo of him.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Sounds like.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  He was ready to go.

• 1:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a rifle? Do you show them with a rifle or pistol?

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Pistol.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like, I think I'm getting this right. I'm seeing it all through.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, social media.

• 1:35:15Speaker 01

  Not being there is weird. I have no idea what the vibe is in the country.

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like, they're never gonna give you the guns back.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  It's never gonna happen. Like, they're gonna try to take them more and more and more. And once you let them have any, it's just normal, man. When people get some control over you, they want ultimate control. When they have a little bit of power, they want maximum power.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  And it's just the game they're playing.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  I think we don't love freedom the way Americans love freedom.

• 1:35:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's unfortunate.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  I think I stick out and it's weird, but we actually like, we don't have a freedom of speech law. And people seem really calm about that. People go like, it's good not to have proper freedom of speech. Cause we can make everyone cohere and be together. And they're happy with that and they're comfortable.

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  That by and large, I mean, you wouldn't tolerate that here for a second.

• 1:38:06Joe Rogan?

  It's not good. It's just not good for, because it depends on who's in power. You have the best people that have ever lived are in power and there's benevolent, beautiful people that only want a cooperative, healthy society. They've figured out how to do it, but no one's figured out how to do that. So stop.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  I don't know. Sometimes I look at the Japanese.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  They've got it down.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  I stay up late and I watch Japanese videos of just like, just the streets of Japan when they're walking around and they're on their little vending machines.

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  Super polite.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  So polite. They can't have children, but they're very happy.

• 1:38:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  No one's breeding.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  No one.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  I, I can't, you've bred and I'm breeding, but in general, the birth rate has collapsed. And the Japanese are worse than anybody.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  The Japanese have it real bad. South Korea has it real bad too.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  South Korea is down to like half a child per lady.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  Something crazy like that. Yeah. Is it because they became career obsessed? Is that what it is?

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  My friend Eve lived there for a while and she was telling me about the, what's happened with the feminist movement there and like heaps of women are swearing off of men. They go, this is the, our duty to feminism is to never be in a relationship with a man.

• 1:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Do you know that was one girl that couldn't get fucked that started off for all the other girls?

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  She was very charismatic though.

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  She was a hater and she was mad that nobody wanted to fuck her. She was like,

• 1:39:25Speaker 05

  no, we're gonna say no to all men.

• 1:39:27Speaker 01

  It worked. It worked. I mean, they, I don't, I mean, you've got a bunch of kids.

• 1:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  I enjoy having them. We're about to have the fourth one. And I know some people who have, like, people I went to school with, it's now dawning on me that that's weird that I've had children and that most people will have one in my cohort or none. Like, I just thought at some point, I was starting a bit early, but I'm seeing my generation just, the numbers are panning out. People are not having any kids. And you get to a certain age, you go, oh, that's it. I guess you're not, you're not ever, it's a part of life that you've decided not to experience. And I don't, I don't know if it's people wanna be in control, they wanna have enough money before they start having kids, they wanna have like, be set up nicely.

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  Some people don't wanna have kids.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  A lot of people.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I really don't.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:40:17Joe Rogan?

  This is my opinion. I think you can have a full and fulfilling and wonderful life without children. I do not think that everyone's the same. I do not think that I should ever be able to tell you what's right or what's wrong when you're not hurting anybody. You're not hurting anybody by not having any kids.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I, but I think there are a lot of people who'd like to have kids who are not having, or think like, I'll get to that.

• 1:40:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of men that don't wanna commit and there are a lot of ladies that stick with them. And then there's ladies that want a career and maybe they wait too long. And there's a lot of factors. There's a lot of also environmental factors that are dropping men's sperm count, increasing miscarriages. This, microplastics are a real issue.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  I do think that thing about staying with a lady too long is, I'll say this for Leonardo DiCaprio. He releases them, it's something kind about that.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Gets rid of them at 25.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  25.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bye bye.

• 1:41:03Speaker 01

  He goes, I'm not gonna take these very precious years away from you.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that's what he's doing.

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  I think he's a good man.

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  I think he's a kind man.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  He just likes them young, likes them young, which would be great if he was a woman. So if he was a woman, if he was a 50 year old woman and only banged 25 year old guys and he looked, you know, or she rather looked hot for a 50 year old like he does for a 50 year old man. Who cares?

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  There is this weird, there's a weird thing happening with women in this country where if a man dates a woman slightly younger than them, he's accused of being a pedophile. Like a man will be dating a 27 year, he'll be like 40 dating a 27 year old lady and people go, how fucking dare you?

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  Ah, I think that's got to be allowed. I think you've got, I mean, that man last night who was, that was a bit spooky. The, the gay man who had the.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Why was that spooky?

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Ah, cause he was in his 40s and his lover was.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  In his 20s.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but then when did the relationship start?

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  People's. Five years ago?

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:42:02Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that what he said?

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  I'm gonna have to do some maths.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  No, maybe he said 10, 10 years ago.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  I gotta do some maths on that. People definitely breathed in in the room.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's a guy. It's a, so he dated a 20 year old guy when he was, uh.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  No, I think we should let young gay men develop.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  Uh, let them do whatever the fuck they want to do. If you're an 18 year old man and you've decided you're gay and you live with a 50 year old gay man, who gives a shit?

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  I don't think the state should get involved in that.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  Ah, I don't think the state should get involved. I don't think anybody should get involved once you're 18. But in that situation, it's, it is different. You look at it differently than if say if it was like when the ages get up. Like say, you say if someone's 20 and they're dating a 25 year old, normal. You know, you know what you like, you know, he's 20, but if you're 20, you're dating a 60 year old. Or you're 20, you're dating a 70 year old.

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Like things get really weird, you know? That's when things get really weird. It's like, what's going on here? Like, why are you dating this 27 year old? Be like, why wouldn't you date a 27 year old? Yeah, I would, but I'm 35. That's normal. Why are you, the 70 year old dating the 27, cause she's willing.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  Cause she's willing. She's, is she not a grown woman? She is, right? Okay, what are we doing here? You're mad. You're mad that the age gap is so wide. Like, why is that?

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  You feel.

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Jamie, how dare you?

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  Well, Bill's made a mistake.

• 1:43:22Joe Rogan?

  How dare you bring that up? Bro, uh, he wins.

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  He went, put that picture back up.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  Well, Tame's not winning.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  He wins in a huge way. I don't give a fuck what he has to do. I don't care if he makes her the head of his charity, whatever. She's hot as fuck. Let's go. She's 24. How old is he?

• 1:43:40Speaker 03

  Seventy, maybe 70?

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  He wins. Okay? He wins. It's worth it. Whatever he has to do, whatever mockery he, yes it is.

• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  I remember, when I came to this country, he was a severe man who people were afraid of.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Listen to me, he wins. He still does.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  No, now he's doing weird photo shoots on the beach.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. But listen, he gets to fuck her. He wins.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  There's gotta be.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Listen, it's a deal. They got a deal. He's fishing. He caught a mermaid. Great. Imagine that photo shoot? That's her idea. This poor guy, he wants to go drink martinis, hang out at the beach.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  There's something about having gravitas that no amount of having sex with a mermaid woman can.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Gravitas by yourself, sitting there with a cigar and a whiskey, looking cool, hard dick.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  How long do you need to be able to have sex for? I'm waiting for it to go away. At some point, it'll, I'm not gonna take the blue true when it starts to disappear. I'm hap- honestly?

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  You say that now.

• 1:44:41Speaker 01

  I s- I do say it now. Let me go. Set me free of the sex impulse. I'm sick of it.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  You're lying.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  I am not li- if I get to be 70 and I cannot get an erection, I will say, this is okay. I can do other things with my time again.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  You definitely can. Yeah, but it'll also mean to decrease in your vitality as a human being, which is not fun. Cause it leads to depression, you're gonna be tired all the time. It's all connected, buddy.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  There's gotta be a way to have a fulfilling life and not be horny constantly. Now, I haven't found that, but I'm sure it's out there.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Of course. There certainly is. There's a lot of people that are completely asexual and they have a fine life.

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  I don't trust them, though. No, it's always weird. But I think it's Bunwell who has a line about like. Uh, maybe it's Plato, I don't know, but it's like when I, when I got older and I wasn't horny anymore, it was like being, it was like, I was unshackled from a madman.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, right, well, didn't, who, was it Tesla that did that? Okay, there was some references to Tesla in quotes destroying his manhood.

• 1:45:42Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  Because he had gotten some sort of uh, infatuation with a woman at one point in time and apparently was ruining his life. So this is a weird thing about Tesla, there's a lot of like fake stories about him. You know, so it's hard to shh, separate the wheat from the shaft.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Wheat from the shaft?

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  But he did, uh, he did fall in love with a pigeon.

• 1:46:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  Tesla had a pigeon that he loved dearly.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  People don't bring that up when they said he had a limitless source of energy that he had access to. They don't always go, and he fell in love with a pigeon and it made him destroy his penis.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  No, I think the, the woman made him destroy his, I don't know if he, what he did. You know, he might have taken something to like chemically castrate him, they do, they used to do that to pedophile priests.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  They'd give them like saltpeter to keep them from being, I don't know, you know what saltpeter is?

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  No, I don't know saltpeter, but I know about the castration of people.

• 1:46:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all that, that too, so I mean, maybe personally castrate.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  What is saltpeter?

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's something that they used to give priests to keep them from getting horny. I don't know what it is, it like would kill their desires. What is it called? It's called saltpeter, I think it like spelled Peter.

• 1:46:47Speaker 03

  Before I get to that, Nikola Tesla reportedly died a virgin.

• 1:46:51Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, so that lady that he was infatuated with, probably first time he got rock hard.

• 1:46:58Speaker 03

  Saltpeter's potassium nitrate.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  He was using his energy for other things.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  He definitely was.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  He was having a fulfilling life.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  And he definitely is doing well, was doing well doing that, like that probably would have stolen a lot of resources from his inventing and, so what is salp, can you put saltpeter up, cool, so we can see what it does?

• 1:47:15Speaker 03

  I don't know, uh.

• 1:47:16Joe Rogan?

  See what it does here. Uh, saltpeter, primarily potassium nitrate, a natural mineral historically crucial for gunpowder, but also used today as a fertilizer, fruit preservative, curing meats, and for sensitive teeth and asthma relief. It's a source of nitrogen mined from caves or made by mixing nitrates. And while once believed an aphrodisiac, it's a myth, though its curing role is real. Aphrodisiac.

• 1:47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the opposite of what you want.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. No.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  You don't want to take a pedophile priest and give him-

• 1:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Please put into perplexity, uh, where does the, where does the story, or where does the, whatever, the, the issue with saltpeter and priests come from? Like, where does that story come from? Because I remember hearing that when we were kids, that they would take a pedophile priest and they'd give him saltpeter, and we're like, what? The myth associating saltpeter with suppressing pre-sexual urges stems from medieval and Renaissance beliefs. That's how old I am, son. When I was a kid, there was-

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  I buy it.

• 1:48:19Joe Rogan?

  -talking in medieval and Renaissance beliefs, in alchemy and folk medicine. During that era, saltpeter was prescribed in mineral baths or potions as an infallible cure for victims of love potions. Oh, is the cure a love potion? You got hit with a love potion? Alongside substances like alum, antimony, and sulfur. This notion evolved into broader folkloric claims of its anaphrodisiac properties. Never seen that word before. Um, later applied to institutions like militaries, prisons, and monasteries, though no historical evidence ties it specifically to priests' food. So here's the thing, if it gives you nitrogen and it, like, thought of as an aphrodisiac...

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  You don't want to give that to a pedophile.

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, is that, is that like, did the pedophiles trick them? Did they trick them and say, you know what? If you give me this, it'll kill my dick? Meanwhile, it's like-

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  That's the only cure.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  It's their gastation powder pills.

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Do you know the, on the, like, medieval medicine, they were still bleeding people until, like, the 1870s?

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  I was reading about that this week.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Someone, some famous person, that's how he died, from, was it George Washington?

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  Did they bled him too much?

• 1:49:27Joe Rogan?

  I think George Washington, like, insisted on them bleeding him more than the physician advised. Blood leing? Blood leing, yeah. Wasn't it George Washington? Shane knows a lot about Washington.

• 1:49:40Speaker 01

  He-

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  That's like, he hasn't done it yet, but if ever he decides to do a long form podcast on the Civil War.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  He should do a long form podcast on history, period. I was telling him that. Oh, and his death involved extensive bloodletting, George Washington. A common 18th century medical practice that likely hastened his demise from a throat infection. The query George Washington bloodletting, whoop. Appears to be a misspelling.

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  I typed it in too fast.

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  No worries. Bloodletting practice, doctors bled, why did they include that in AI? AI is correcting you. They're fucking with you.

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  No, it looks like you fucked up.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Looks like AI is kind of fucking with you a little. Doctors bled multiple, bled Washington multiple times in December 14th, 1799, removing about 80 ounces, roughly 40% of his blood volume. Imagine they thought it was a good idea to take your blood out while you're dying.

• 1:50:33Speaker 01

  But like for hundreds of years they were doing it.

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  And maybe it does have some benefits that I should look into.

• 1:50:40Joe Rogan?

  I doubt it.

• 1:50:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  She's got a throat infection, they take your blood out. Imagine the days when they hadn't figured out antibiotics yet, oh.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  We get to enjoy them for, I mean, at some point they'll stop working, right? Like we'll get.

• 1:50:53Joe Rogan?

  Some of them, I mean, there's, there's resistant strains of MRSA. You know, MRSA is staph infection that you can't cure with antibiotics. It's very dangerous. When people get it, it's, I've had friends that got it. It's horrific. It eats holes in your body. I, I had a buddy of mine who had it done on his knee, his whole knee, like he was at the hospital. And he sent me a picture of them, what they had done to his knee. They'd split his knee open down the middle, they'd pull it open to clean it all out and disinfect it. It was so insanely infected.

• 1:51:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  From this medical resistant staph infection. So he was on an IV drip 24 hours a day. He stayed in the hospital for weeks for this fucking infection.

• 1:51:32Speaker 01

  But we didn't have that kind of staph infection before.

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  Antibiotics.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's a, it's a major cause of death in this country.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. And in the food, right? Like you're, it's in the meat.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  What is?

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Antibiotics, like we feed. I remember someone saying like, that's the real problem is that we we're giving it to like the cows. We just put it in their feed.

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the reason they do it supposedly, there's a lot of, like, if you get an organic steak, grass fed, organic, most people believe that that is the healthiest version of beef. Because that's an animal that's not being given any hormones, not being given any antibiotics, and is eating grass, which is what they're supposed to. Now, when they eat corn, sometimes they get these like weird abscesses and they get like a problems digesting. It's not natural food for cows. That's why they get so fat. Like, the reason why they get that marbling, that's they're fucking dying. Like, we're giving them terrible food and their meat tastes different.

• 1:52:29Speaker 01

  They're like Wagyu beef, they're feeding them beer, I think.

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, they're barely alive. When you see that beautifully marbled piece of Wagyu beef.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  That's a very sad animal.

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  That's a very depressed animal. They depressed the fuck out of that thing before it died.

• 1:52:40Speaker 01

  I didn't realize they were not feeding cows grass for like, until I was in the grocery store and they had like, this is grass fed milk. It's like, what the fuck's the other one? This is news to me.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's interesting because I was reading this thing about certain pasture raised eggs that you get that are really bright orange.

• 1:53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  And you think, oh, this is a really healthy egg. Well, what actually was going on was they were feeding the chickens turmeric and they were feeding the chickens a bunch of things that affected the color of their eggs. And these eggs were high in vegetable oils because I think alpha, I don't remember what acid it is. Alpha lipoic, what is it? No, that's a supplement, whatever it is. This, they were realizing that the chickens were eating mostly grain.

• 1:53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  And then they were making it look like they were eating all these insects, which is usually what you get when you get a chicken that has like a real rich, like a natural raised chicken.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  If it's just in the field somewhere.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  Rich orange yolk, that thing's eating bugs and all kinds of stuff. That's what it's supposed to eat. So they were like pretending by giving these chickens turmeric that would make their their yolk like a really bright orange and then they were giving them corn. So they were pretending these chickens were running around in a pasture, but they were just dumping a pile of things to get them fat as quick as possible and then feeding them some fairy dust that makes their eggs.

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  This isn't the same thing as AI for me, where I just wanna be in a field, in a cottage. And that's my chicken over there and I know where it is and I know one day I'll kill that chicken and we'll eat it as a family.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's nothing wrong with that, living on a farm, especially like a small individual farm is probably a very harmonious way to live in nature.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  But you do have to make a lot of money to, like you have to really thrive in the system to go and get that now.

• 1:54:33Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? Because that used to be the way poor people lived.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I yearn to live like a poor person.

• 1:54:38Joe Rogan?

  I think it's harmonious for human beings to live like that. Everybody that I know that lives like that will kinda tell you that it seems right. And I think people lived like that for so long, I think it feels normal for them and they're totally self-sustaining as opposed to someone who just relies on these trucks to keep showing up at the grocery store.

• 1:54:56Speaker 01

  I mean, also like, at some point, I know RFK came in with like trying to do a lot of things to improve the food and I don't know how many are going through it, but I, at some point, people will get sick enough, I think. You have to have some sort of change. I mean, I, my wife has become gluten-free since coming to America because she's become gluten, like she had gluten her whole life. Something in the wheat here, I don't know what they're doing to it.

• 1:55:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a lot of things.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  It's not good.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, one of the things is the excessive use of glyphosate. Glyphosate is in a lot of different things, other things, there's a bunch of.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  It's like a pesticide?

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. It's a bunch of different chemicals that they put into modern bread. What was it, bromine, is that one of them? There's a guy who we, we played a video of him breaking it down, remember that video, Jamie? About what's wrong with bread in America? See if you can find that. It's very enlightening. Cause it's one of those things you, you, you, you realize like, oh, this is all to make it shelf-stable so it stays good forever and they've made more complex glutens in the wheat because that way you get a higher yield per acre and they've, they've all made it so it creates all this intolerance, like you're, you're, you get gut inflammation if you eat too much of it.

• 1:56:07Joe Rogan?

  You feel terrible.

• 1:56:08Speaker 01

  Well, like, it was the only thing people would eat. You would just eat bread. You'd get a loaf of bread for the week and you'd have whatever meat you could have next to it.

• 1:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  And you'd be, but like surely, we don't need that at this point. Like, we can have.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  The problem is industrial agriculture is kind of taken over in this country. And if you want to make money, that's really kind of the only way to make money farming. It's really difficult to run a regenerative farm and have it be like really profitable the way these enormous, like industrial farming situations are. You're not supposed to have monocrop agriculture. Like, that's crazy. You're not supposed to have a thousand acres of corn just growing together. That's kooky. Like, no one has that in the wild. That's not normal. So there's supposed to be genetic diversity. There's supposed to be animal shitting everywhere. It all feeds into each other. That's what they do in regenerative farms, but their yield is so much lower than a farm that stacks all the pigs into a warehouse and has them shit into a lake.

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  I have seen the weird little tunnels where they put the pigs into. It's not nice.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  It's disgusting. It's disgusting.

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  But then.

• 1:57:09Joe Rogan?

  But that's how you get Jack in the Box on every corner. That's how you feed a million people that aren't growing anything other than weed. You don't. No, I'm not suggesting you lose Jack in the Box or any of these places. But I'm just saying that we've kind of painted ourselves into a corner where you have no one working in food production.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  You have a small amount of people in these cities that even understand where their food is coming from. Everybody's just assuming it's going to show up. You're going to go to the nice restaurant, you sit there, you have a filet mignon and a glass of wine. You have no idea where anything came from and you don't have to. But that's a luxury that most people don't realize is a luxury until something like the pandemic happens and everything shuts down. And then you go, oh, no food's coming in. Where do we get food? Oh my God, we have to learn how to hunt.

• 1:57:55Speaker 01

  This is like the AI hope, right? Is that it takes care of all the, like, we can have super abundance and we can return to an organic.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, the first thing I would say to AIs, how do you fix crime-ridden cities? How do you do that? How do you do that ethically?

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  You may not like the answer it gives you.

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't want it to give me an evil answer. Here it is. Let's play this.

• 1:58:16Speaker 06

  No problem. What, I was gluten free in 15 years. I've been gluten free in, uh, Canada, America. Can't eat it.

• 1:58:27Speaker 07

  That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shells stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas, and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a carcinogen called potassium bromate, which has been in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then, we wanted to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut.

• 1:59:08Speaker 07

  So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired, and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The real issue is ultra-processed, chemically-altered, bleached, bromated, fake-vitamin-filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. This is.

• 1:59:20Speaker 06

  Uh, I need some-

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 1:59:22Speaker 01

  I like that they had Sweet Dreams playing in the background there. Yeah, I mean, I will look, when I'm back in Australia, I will look forward to having normal bread. Human bread.

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  That's so fucked up. So fucked up.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  You gotta escape to get the nice bread.

• 1:59:33Joe Rogan?

  That's what they've done to our food. It's the same thing that they've done to our governmental systems. Same thing, it's like money. Money gets in. These whores. They ruin it all.

• 1:59:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got, I mean-

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  Whores!

• 1:59:45Speaker 01

  You like, it's okay, money is also great.

• 1:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:48Speaker 01

  I'm not against money.

• 1:59:49Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't be.

• 1:59:50Speaker 01

  But, I'm a little bit against money.

• 1:59:51Joe Rogan?

  Are you? In what way?

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't, I don't wanna make decisions in my life about how to, what would result in having more money. You've gotta be able to provide for your family. But I think, you see enough people in this business sell out.

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  And people have really lost the language of selling out. Like, it's gone. Like, in the 90s, everyone, "That guy's a fucking sellout, that guy's doing..." You know, you do the wrong sort of music on an album, and people would accuse you of selling out. So I'm not advocating for that, but like-

• 2:00:18Speaker 01

  I mean, there are definitely, there are people out there doing ads for things that are, it's nuts that they're getting away with it. Like people who do, like rich guys who are doing gambling commercials. And I don't mind gambling. I'm open to gambling. I enjoy gambling.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  We do gambling commercials. We do gambling commercials on this podcast.

• 2:00:37Speaker 01

  And I may be open to doing it myself in the future. But when I do see-

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  We do DraftKings.

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  Samuel L. Ah, I don't even mind that as much.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  But why is it different than Samuel Jackson reading for a gambling website?

• 2:00:48Speaker 01

  I don't know DraftKings enough, but there are things like, in Australia, we've got Bet365, which is like, they've turned it into a social media app slash gambling software.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:00:58Speaker 01

  So it's where you go to socialize and gamble at the same time. And that does give me a strong ick factor.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Russell was talking about that, the problem in Australia with gambling as well.

• 2:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't see anything, when I look at bookie apps in America and things, it's just like, I'd like to put a bet on that and I get money if it wins and not if it loses. We're in a, we're in a more strange, advanced, we've been doing it for a bit longer and it's further down the line.

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  DraftKings has all that kind of stuff, where you could bet on weird prop bets.

• 2:01:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can do multi-bets and things like that. But I don't think it has affected the character of men in this country the same way that it's done in Australia.

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  We have more freedom. You guys are little children over there.

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  It's also our only outlet.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  Is gambling. Like, I think we out gamble Singapore. We're number one in the world per capita. No, we put you to shame, but like, you guys can handle it.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  It's usually a sign of people in distress.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Gambling?

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, we're-

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  The country's in distress. That's why you guys have a gambling problem.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  I mean, we really have a fucking huge gambling problem.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  It's not bad? It's really that bad?

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  It's just, it makes it hard to have a conversation with a guy.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:02:01Speaker 01

  Look at-

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Seventy-two point eight percent of Australian adults gambled within the previous 12 months. Eighty point five percent for men and sixty-six point two percent for women.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  Look at losses per capita.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-eight percent of Australians gambled at least once per week. Forty-eight percent of men and twenty-eight percent for women.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  Twenty-eight percent for women. When you see a woman who's betting on sports, something inside of you goes, what?

• 2:02:24Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 2:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Having fun.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  This is our horrible thing.

• 2:02:26Joe Rogan?

  No, let the ladies fuck up too.

• 2:02:28Speaker 01

  I have been to your pokey rooms in America. That's what we call them.

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Pokey rooms?

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  We call them pokey rooms.

• 2:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Pokey?

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, the pokeys.

• 2:02:35Joe Rogan?

  Like the raw fish?

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  You're like poking, no, you're like poking on the machine all the time. That's why we call them the pokeys. But like in America, you'll be at a casino and the floor has all these fruit machines.

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Pokeys?

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, people are still like smiling and talking to each other. In every pub in Australia, there's like a back room where sad, twisted old people are just like sitting in front of a machine.

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:55Speaker 01

  Hours.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  You get that in Vegas too. It's just extracting money.

• 2:02:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  It's sucking your attention in there and extracting money and it makes your dull life a little bit more exciting.

• 2:03:05Speaker 03

  Twenty percent of the world's slot machines are in Australia.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  Yo, you guys are buck wild.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  No, it's...

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  That's how they keep you broke.

• 2:03:13Speaker 01

  I'm against it, but also, yeah, if I've had a couple of drinks and it's a Friday night, I'll go and play the Indian dreaming.

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, you're smart enough to not get fully addicted to playing those machines, but not everybody is.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  It's a smart thing. I think I have enough going on in my life, definitely.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 2:03:29Speaker 01

  With the intel, there are smarter people than me who have been lost to it.

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  But that's all it, right? Like you don't need a distraction. Your distraction is the thing you're enjoying in your life. You've got a lot of things going on in your life. You don't want to do that.

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  If I wasn't doing stand-up and if I wasn't doing, if I didn't have a loving family.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  And you had a shitty job.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Oh, man, when I did have a shitty job, I was door-to-door salesman and I was buying the scratch-off cards every day. Every single day I would buy them. And I didn't know why I was doing it at first.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Hoping it'd hit.

• 2:03:56Speaker 01

  Well, I'm knocking on people's doors and trying to give them cable television when they don't want it. I am gonna need a little something to help. Oh man, I think I started drinking in the afternoons.

• 2:04:05Joe Rogan?

  Really? Cause you hated it?

• 2:04:06Speaker 01

  I hated it. It made me loose when I went to knock on the doors and try and give gen- they would take us out to like the worst remote communities, cause they'd go, these people will buy. They're like, the nastier the neighborhood, the more people are likely to buy from a salesman, the less they have in their life. You'd try and go to a middle-class neighborhood, no one would talk to you. You'd go out to weird, remote poverty and boy, I'd sold a lot of cable television.

• 2:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Was it dangerous?

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 2:04:38Speaker 01

  I, cause you're knocking on the doors of like, I went up to Port Augusta in the worst neighborhoods there. This is like hours and hours away from a major city. And the company I was doing it for like said, let's, we, we looked up the poverty statistics and we're sending you to the worst possible places. Cause you'll, you'll sell more there.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  Matt, no, people were, uh, I remember there was an Irish lady who got attacked, who was working with us. I don't think I ever, I had like weird things happen where people, you'd have to go into someone's house. And there'd be like weird stuff on the floor. I went into one person's house and there was a woman passed out on the floor bleeding. And they're always like, she's fine. Don't worry about her.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Where was she bleeding from? What part?

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Her head.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. She was apparently all right and she was, but she was passed out. I don't know what happened.

• 2:05:22Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean all right? She's bleeding from her head and she just.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  It wasn't like a huge amount of blood, but she was on the floor and there was blood.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  And they just assumed she was okay?

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  I made it out of there quick smart. They were like, she's fine. Don't you worry about it. I don't know why this is coming back to me now. I haven't thought about that in about 10 years.

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  Did you think that maybe they hit her? And then maybe you were a witness to it, or maybe they killed her and then they were gonna have to kill you?

• 2:05:43Speaker 01

  I don't know why this is dribbling out of me now. I definitely saw her. She had a beard. I remember. Um, and she was a, they were very calm about it. They were relaxed and they wanted to keep having a conversation about buying the cable television and how that would let them watch the football. And that she was okay and I wasn't to worry about her. And I think I got out of there and kept knocking on people's doors. I don't think I called anybody.

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  Sorry. I didn't know where that was buried.

• 2:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she's fine. Maybe she's a drama queen.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Well, you also saw.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she hit her head on purpose and then fell down and pretended she got hurt.

• 2:06:18Speaker 01

  A lot of passed out people in the streets there. Uh, drunks and drugs and, yeah.

• 2:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever go, almost get robbed or anything?

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  I don't think I got threatened.

• 2:06:32Speaker 01

  Uh, there was a guy who was not, who was having sex one time and was very unhappy that I was getting knocking on his door. And I thought he was gonna hit me. But that was about as bad as it got.

• 2:06:41Joe Rogan?

  Did he come out with his dong hanging out?

• 2:06:43Speaker 01

  He was grabbing his pants in a weird way. His, his, his lady had been at home and she said, come back when my husband's home at this time. And then you can, he can decide if he's gonna buy it. And then I came back right at that time.

• 2:06:54Joe Rogan?

  And he was banging it.

• 2:06:55Speaker 01

  And I think he just got right home and started, right now, let's do it. And then he went, get the fuck out of here. Australian men being angry is, we go into a new gear of like, lack of control.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a prison population, originally.

• 2:07:08Speaker 01

  And we like that. We don't wanna be free. We want a nice warden who's gonna take care of it for us.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Ah, but you don't.

• 2:07:15Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. No, I'm, there are many things that are upsetting me about going back.

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  You gotta become king of Australia going back.

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  If they'll have me. I'm thinking of running for the senate.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  You might win.

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  I've got policy. The senate's more winnable in Australia, cause they send like-

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Are you seriously thinking about running for the senate?

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  We have like 12 people from each state. One day, it's my fantasy.

• 2:07:34Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  In each state, there's like 12 people who get to be the senator from there. So you, and in a double dissolution, you only need like 8% of the vote to get into the senate. And if you're in a small state, that's not a huge number of people. So we get wacky people going to the senate. And it effectively has the same job that the American senate has. Like, it's a huge amount of power. And you get to veto things, you get to do inquiries and stuff. Yeah, we get, we've had, uh, Pauline Hanson is there at the moment, she's been there for a while. We get Jackie Lambie for a long time. We get nutty, interesting people in the senate. It's the only bit where a bit of life and colour gets into our politics.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:08:10Speaker 01

  Cause we've got, uh, yeah, our house, our lower house is not as exciting as yours. You get more. You get, what's it, Jasmine Crockett?

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  You get Jasmine Crockett's in your parliament.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Do you guys don't get?

• 2:08:21Speaker 01

  Not as much.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  How locked down is politics in Australia?

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  So locked down.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:30Speaker 01

  And there's a, so it's, it's not first, you guys vote and you just go first past the post. And if you get, you know, if someone gets 50% of the vote, that's it, they've got it. We do ranked voting, so it's like, you, you put in six, there's six people, you put them in order. And then like, kind of the least bad one, the one that the least number of people dislike gets in. So you get really boring people. And also the parties don't primary. And this is, I keep talking about how this is great in America. You're like the only country that does this.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was why it was a real problem, the Democrats didn't do it.

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  They didn't do it at, yes, for the presidency.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  They really didn't do it legitimately, but since 2016.

• 2:09:08Speaker 01

  But on a local level, someone like.

• 2:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Even 2016 wasn't legit, right?

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  AOC can get in to, to be her.

• 2:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:09:14Speaker 01

  Like that's, even that level of public involvement is globally unheard of. No one else is doing that, I don't think.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, Fetterman, those, those kind of people.

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  Fetterman should not, like, you just look on a paper, there's no way the Democrats wanted him to be their guy. There's no way the people in charge of that party said, I think this is a guy who's gonna toe the party line.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think once he got in, he became much more aware of how corrupt the system was. Like, talking to him was interesting. He's a very nice guy, by the way. Like, a real genuine nice guy. And I've run into him in other places. I ran into him at the inauguration. He was wearing a Carhartt hoodie and shorts at the inauguration. I'm not bullshitting. I gave him a big hug. He's a sweet guy, like a genuinely sweet guy. And I think he got into that system and he's like, hey, this is not what I, it's like, that guy's been doing like charity work his whole life. He's like a genuinely good person. And he got into it, he's like, this is not what I signed up for. This is, this whole thing is fucking crazy, like.

• 2:10:12Speaker 01

  When he, he also had the brain thing happen before. And then he, I watched that debate, that he won. Like, I don't know how bad.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Is it Dr. Oz that he was up against?

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  That's gotta hurt when you go up against a guy who temporarily can't talk at all.

• 2:10:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he has a struggle communicating, but I don't think the struggle.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  It's way better now.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes, but I don't think the struggle is a thinking thing. I think it's a communication thing and it's also like he loses track of what you just said. So like he has to have a, an iPad. So the iPad listens to what you're saying, translates it, writes it out, dictates it. And then he looks to it occasionally.

• 2:10:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  He's like, I'm sorry, what did, what did, what did you ask me? And then I'll have to repeat the question, but it's not that he's not there.

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just there's a misfiring, but when, when it fires correctly, he's very reasonable. He's very rational, very smart guy. And I think a really good guy. And I think he opened up a lot of people's eyes like, well, there it is possible for someone to get in on either side and just be rational and just have rational positions on things and saying, I'm not, I'm not gonna just vote the way everybody votes, cause I don't agree with that. I think.

• 2:11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:26Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a much more nuanced view of the world. And so a lot of people like on the right like him. Cause he broke party lines, you know?

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  I remember there was like, Obama came in and tried to do that immediately when he was a senator. And I was reading a thing about how like, people just took him aside and said, you absolutely don't fucking do that. You have to stop doing that now, okay? We want you to be the future of this party. Shut up. But there must be huge pressures on people not to be individuals there.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  There was huge pressures on Tulsi Gabbard to not even communicate with people on the other side. She was like, bring him cookies and shit and just be not, and she's like, sweet lady. She just wanted to be friends with everybody and they were like, we don't do it that way.

• 2:12:04Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, John McCain seemed to do a lot of weird. He would hang out, he would be on both sides of the aisle. People liked him. There are a couple of individuals.

• 2:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a couple of individuals that have made like a little crossovers, you know, a little bit. And, you know.

• 2:12:19Speaker 01

  You could ban the party system. I'd be open to that.

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, you need more than two. That's the real problem.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:25Joe Rogan?

  The real problem is there's only two legitimate ones. If someone's in, if you vote libertarian, you're essentially voting protest. You're saying fuck these guys.

• 2:12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the Green Party.

• 2:12:33Joe Rogan?

  I've done the libertarian thing a few times. It's like, you're just saying fuck these guys. But then. If you can't, like, a two-party system is so easy to rig. I mean, but could you rig a five-party system? Could you rig, if you had seven parties? Could you rig that? I don't know. You know, and the thing is, is like, you have the House and you have Congress. It's like, the two-party thing is gonna be so tough to untangle. You know, it would, it would take some radically popular person who went independent.

• 2:13:04Speaker 01

  Who tried? Uh, Legs Roosevelt.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Ross Perot.

• 2:13:10Speaker 01

  Ross Perot, but-

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Ross Perot fucked it up for everybody.

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, he came close, but, uh, Roosevelt, Teddy Roosevelt. He got real close.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that was a long time ago and he was Teddy Roosevelt.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. But he won seat, he won states, I think. I think he took out whole states.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:13:24Speaker 01

  The Dixiecrats did it, but they were never gonna pick up that many states.

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  It would have to be someone like that. Someone that was like, loved by a giant percentage of the population. Like, if some, let's make up a fictional person. Some amazing Oprah. If Oprah becomes president or wants to run for president. And everybody's like, cause you remember there was a thing during the Trump administration, the first administration, where I think NBC tweeted, "This is our president." And they showed a photo of Oprah. See if you can find that. I'm pretty sure that's true. And I remember thinking like, this is so crazy that we're looking for another famous person to counteract the famous person.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  They wanted The Rock?

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, they talked to The Rock.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  They came to The Rock?

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  They came to The Rock to try to get him to do it.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  What, I mean, I don't know what The Rock's politics are.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  He's, you know, a kind guy who's probably very left on certain things, but also very disciplined.

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  And obviously, really admires and believes in hard work and dedication. He'll be a great president if he wanted to do it. Tweet on future Oprah presidency, not meant to be political statement. Okay, what?

• 2:14:34Joe Rogan?

  They said on Monday that a tweet touting Oprah Winfrey as "our future president" during the 75 Golden Global Wars was not meant to be a political statement. Of course it is.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  You literally said president. That makes it political. Our, in all capital letters. All, this is the only one that's capitalized.

• 2:14:50Speaker 01

  I really thought it could have been Kanye for a while there.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he could have made it.

• 2:14:53Speaker 01

  His policies were. Some of them were great. Some of them were genuinely good.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  It's in reference to a joke made during the monologue and not meant to be a political statement. We have since removed the tweet. Okay, so there was a joke, but it was still a political statement. Come on. Even if it was like in reference to the joke, you saying that in all caps, "our president", it's still a political statement.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  They've got to find somebody. I mean, just for the future of this. J.D. Vance can talk to people. I've seen long-form interviews with him where he actually seems like a normal human being.

• 2:15:20Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a lot of people pushing James Talarico now.

• 2:15:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:15:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, we had him on the podcast too, to talk to him because I felt very interested. He's a Texas guy who has some really important things to say, particularly about the potential for a religious, like a theocracy in Texas. And that there's these very wealthy Christian fundamentalists that are driving this.

• 2:15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, multi-billionaire guys that are driving this, and that's how the Ten Commandments got in schools. And he is a very religious man, and he does not believe that the Ten Commandments should be in schools. He believes that if you put the Ten Commandments in schools, it's actually going to push people away from Christianity because you're shoving it in their face. And he's like, and it's also disrespectful to all the other religions. So you don't have their tenants and commandments.

• 2:16:02Speaker 01

  Have you seen the Ten Commandments in the schools?

• 2:16:04Joe Rogan?

  I have not.

• 2:16:05Speaker 01

  We went out to look at some of the schools and it's fun because they're like, they don't just put them up dryly on the wall, like they have pictures of all the things.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  All the things you're doing, like sin?

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but this is weird when it comes to like, "Don't covet your neighbor's wife", and there has to be like some weird little sexy picture or something.

• 2:16:20Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Is she like bending over in the garden?

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  I think it was like a woman.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:16:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a strange one.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

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• 2:18:28Speaker 01

  It's for like language.

• 2:18:29Joe Rogan?

  You gotta draw it.

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  I think it was in like the Spanish class where they had like, they had it written in Spanish, the 10 commandments.

• 2:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Anyway, Talavico is interesting. You know?

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  He had a very bizarre argument about abortion that I felt like that doesn't jive with how most people view Christianity.

• 2:18:46Speaker 01

  What was his?

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, he felt, what did it, what did it exactly say that was like super controversial, Jamie? He said like somehow that you think that it could be biblically permissible.

• 2:18:56Speaker 01

  I've heard this before. I've heard people say that. I don't think it.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't seem to make sense if you really wanna live your life biblically. It doesn't make sense.

• 2:19:05Speaker 01

  But this is, lefty Christians are always like.

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  They have to find a.

• 2:19:08Speaker 01

  Like people will go, there's nothing, there's nothing in the Bible, there's nothing in scripture that says homosexuality is wrong. And you go, yeah, okay. But like, what are we, are we arguing that in like, you know, two B.C. Jerusalem, it was just chill to be a gay guy and they just never wrote it down for some reason? Like, I'm not saying, like, as to, as to however people wanna live, that's fine. But don't like come in and say the religion insists that people be gay or that like, that the trans thing is actually fine in the Bible, cause it never says you shouldn't be trans. It's like, the absence of something in an old book that hadn't occurred to people is not an argument for its permissibility. Does that make sense?

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  There is talk of a man lieth with a man being an abomination.

• 2:19:53Speaker 01

  And then they do, but then they go, that's about, that's about boys. It's not about men. We've got a very special translation that only we understand.

• 2:20:01Joe Rogan?

  Is that what they say, really?

• 2:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:03Joe Rogan?

  They say it's about boys?

• 2:20:04Speaker 01

  They say this is always about boys. This is never about two.

• 2:20:06Joe Rogan?

  But it says man lieth with another man.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  Hey, I don't agree with them. But it's all the like, I'd always, I, I think if you're gonna have a religion, you should like, not just try and twist the religion to be exactly what you think.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:18Speaker 01

  It should be.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:19Speaker 01

  Like, that's kind of the point of religion, is that it, it's something bigger and stranger than you, that you're going to allow to, like, you're gonna develop as a person with it, rather than correcting it.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think if you look historically, just in this country, the.

• 2:20:36Joe Rogan?

  The attitude that we had about gay people in this country was terrible. Like in the 1930s and 40s and 50s, it was terrible.

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Right? And then somewhere along the line, there's the gay rights movement. And then ultimately, in modern times, gay marriage. So there's this progression where people realize like, hey, they're just gay. Like, it's always existed, but people had to hide it forever. Like, you know the Turing test story, right? Alan Turing, the guy who invented the Turing test.

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  As to whether the AI, you can tell if it's a puce.

• 2:21:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, that guy was fed chemical castration drugs because he was gay in England in the 1950s. Right? So at some point in time, I think you have to like take into consideration like how long being gay was punished before people eventually just got to this realization. Like, you meet enough gay people, you know enough gay people, you have a gay kid, whatever. You realize like, some people are just gay.

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  There are obviously people who are attracted to people of the same sex.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is. And it's like, you have to look at things through a cultural lens as much as you have to look at through a biblical lens. Like, because it's not all God's word. It's God's word written down by people. And some of it is like, some of it is just so.

• 2:21:56Speaker 01

  That's very Catholic of you.

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:57Speaker 01

  That's the Catholic coming out from your youth.

• 2:21:59Joe Rogan?

  You have to look at it that way. It's like, there's just so much in it that doesn't make any sense.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  There's context and there's tradition.

• 2:22:06Joe Rogan?

  And there's also translations.

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  This is what I like about the Catholic. I became a Catholic like eight years ago, seven, nine, it was a number of years ago. I'm forgetting how many years. But I had been like sort of nothing and then sort of a Unitarian. And then, but I like this thing of like.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  What brought you from sort of nothing to belief?

• 2:22:26Speaker 01

  I'd always believed there was something, but then I started going to mass because a friend was going. And I, when I was on the road years before, I would like be off on the road on a Sunday and have nothing to do. So I went to mega churches for fun because they were very funny and very strange.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  What are mega churches like in Australia?

• 2:22:43Speaker 01

  We fucking, we invented it. We got it going.

• 2:22:45Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:22:45Speaker 01

  Uh, Hillsong, Hillsong is, you guys probably invented it, but we took it to another level. We did Hillsong.

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  What's Hillsong?

• 2:22:50Speaker 01

  Hillsong was the biggest one by, Justin Bieber was a Hillsong guy.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  That's Australia?

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  That's Australian.

• 2:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  Australian and New Zealand guys and they're like guitar music and the smoke machines and they're doing this.

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and you guys brought that over to America?

• 2:23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm very sorry.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  I'm not a big, but I would, I would turn up there or like, or a little Baptist church or something, but I would shop around and try and, you know, who's got something going on. But the mega churches offended me more than anything. It was like, whatever is happening here is weird and gross and I don't like it. Like they would have two pastors come out and they'd like riff and banter together. And then it was like a breakfast radio show and they're going like, and they'd have like big projectors. And I started going to the, I was a, I went to the Latin mass and it was like, oh, this is a very strange ancient ritual with like bells. And I don't understand what anyone is saying.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:42Speaker 01

  And I just wanted to keep going to that.

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Almanols, almanols.

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  I love it. I love it. And the organ and the choir.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  I think you made a really good point too about people coming in to this candlelit room and everything's beautiful and ornate. And just that alone probably has a profound effect on your psyche. They must have known that, right? They must have known that when they're creating these incredible.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  A stained glass window?

• 2:24:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:08Speaker 01

  You haven't looked at a picture or a television screen ever?

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:12Speaker 01

  And then you go into a building where there is light shining out of a man's face.

• 2:24:16Joe Rogan?

  And it's Jesus.

• 2:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And there's statues of him.

• 2:24:20Speaker 01

  Covered in blood.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, he's got, he's on the cross right in front of you with the thorns dripping blood and like, holy shit.

• 2:24:27Speaker 01

  This is what I mean though about losing where it's okay with the, that's the Catholic thing. They always put him on there. He's always suffering.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:33Speaker 01

  And at the mega churches, they take him off. They go, it's a big plus sign at the front.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  You know, like at a Protestant church, they will have, they'll have a cross, but there's no one dying on that cross. It's just empty.

• 2:24:45Joe Rogan?

  It's only the Catholics that have Jesus actually nailed to the cross.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  Orthodox do it as well, but like all the Protestant megachurch people, they never show it.

• 2:24:52Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting.

• 2:24:53Speaker 01

  Cause they're winners. They wanna go like, we're increasing, we're getting more stuff. And I don't wanna exaggerate, but prosperity gospel people.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Lenny Bruce had a great joke about that.

• 2:25:02Speaker 01

  What's his?

• 2:25:03Joe Rogan?

  He had a great joke about Jesus coming back and seeing you wearing a cross.

• 2:25:06Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  And he said, it's like having an electric chair around your neck.

• 2:25:09Speaker 01

  Was that Lenny Bruce?

• 2:25:10Joe Rogan?

  Uh, and then Bill Hicks had a version of it.

• 2:25:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Bill Hicks was like, it's like going up to Jackie with a rifle pendant on.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  We're thinking of Jackie. I remember that bit.

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  The oldest stained glass windows in the world, seventh century.

• 2:25:22Speaker 01

  Yo.

• 2:25:23Speaker 03

  That's what I'm about.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  Yo.

• 2:25:25Speaker 03

  Germany, Bavaria.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow, they figured it out. They're like, we gotta make this place more colorful, bring in more people. They didn't have pyrotechnics back then.

• 2:25:33Speaker 01

  They've gone in now.

• 2:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Figure out a way to make it more. Cause like, if you see beautiful ancient cathedrals, like one of the things that I really loved about Italy is you could go to these ancient churches and go and look around them. And that's like amazing artwork, amazing like just the craftsmanship of constructing these incredible building. When you go inside of them, it feels like something bigger than you has created this. This is more beautiful and ornate than anything you ever see in your village. Your village is filled with like boring ass houses and like little fucking tables and little chairs and everyone's sitting around eating spaghetti. And then you go to this place and this place is insane. And there's candles and you take your hat off and you do this.

• 2:26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:18Joe Rogan?

  And you put the money in the basket.

• 2:26:20Speaker 01

  That's how I felt when I started showing up. That it was some weird alien. It feels like thousands of years old when they're doing it in Latin. And the priest isn't facing you, he's facing a way, like you're all doing something together.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:32Speaker 01

  And it's mysterious.

• 2:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Have you been to the Vatican?

• 2:26:34Speaker 01

  Never.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, you should go.

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  I would like to.

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  You need to go. You should, you should just see Saint Peter's Basilica in the flesh. It's beyond comprehension. It took hundreds of years to make. The craftsmanship is so exquisite. It's like the artwork is so incredible. You walk, first of all, it's massive. I mean, massive. And perfect. You walk around, you're like, what the fuck were you guys doing? Like, who made this?

• 2:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's number one.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Like, how long did this take?

• 2:27:08Speaker 01

  That was Shyne's reaction. Every time Shyne's talking about it, he goes, yeah, we're number one.

• 2:27:11Joe Rogan?

  We're number one, bro.

• 2:27:12Speaker 01

  No one else can do that.

• 2:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Pull up some images of, like, look at what it looks like.

• 2:27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, the wobbly, the wobbly, um, column.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  God, it's so incredible, man. It's so incredible.

• 2:27:21Speaker 01

  And then it shits me when, like, Vatican II, I don't dismiss it. I don't say it was wrong, but when people, you know, like a modern church and it looks like, like, there's a, you know, a carpet and straight walls.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  But do you know how much time it takes?

• 2:27:36Speaker 01

  That's love.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how much time it takes to make something like that? I mean, that is fantastic artwork. When you walk into that place, it's breathtaking. Like, you, you walk in, you just go, wow. Look how small those people are. Look.

• 2:27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at the people. Those people are walking, dude. Look how tall that ceiling is. Look at the light coming down.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  And like acoustically, you can, the guy giving the homily, people can hear him.

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  Like, it's built in such a way, like, people used to know something about acoustics where you could, yeah, that is great.

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's so psychedelic. It really is. Just looking at the, the geometric patterns and the columns and the ceiling, it's like, it makes you feel like you're tripping. So if you were there and you're like, walk into this place and you lived in some boring ass house, you would really feel like you're in God's house. I mean, it, it feels like God's house when you're in it. That's how good, that's how much they believed. They, they didn't, they didn't cop out on this at all. They went all in. That one right there, look at that picture.

• 2:28:36Speaker 01

  I don't like it when people go like the church should melt everything down and give it to the poor. Like, this is a gift to the poor.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:41Speaker 01

  If you're poor, you get to go in there and look at that. That's open to everybody. They're not putting that in a private.

• 2:28:45Joe Rogan?

  They should never take that down. Whatever they did to do it, maybe they shouldn't do it again.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Wherever they got that gold.

• 2:28:53Speaker 01

  It's a better planet for having it there.

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, the Vatican controlled armies for a long ass time. And it's nuts that it's its own country. That's weird.

• 2:29:02Speaker 01

  Why was its own country?

• 2:29:03Joe Rogan?

  So they can keep the pedophiles there.

• 2:29:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  They don't have to export them.

• 2:29:08Speaker 01

  They've tried so hard to crack down on the pedophiles.

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, good job, guys.

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy that one section of religion is commonly associated with pedophilia.

• 2:29:20Speaker 01

  The press was real bad because the scandals were real and there were lots of them. But I would say, I mean, when I talk to priests and I look at Catholic schools and what they've got in place at the moment, I would feel like they are so.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  On top of it.

• 2:29:33Speaker 01

  So on top of it. But there are definitely parts of society that in five, 10 years, things will start coming out.

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Listen, man, they catch pedophiles at Nickelodeon, you know?

• 2:29:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  They catch pedophiles at the CIA. There's pedophiles everywhere. There's, there's a certain percentage of our society that's fucking sick. And they're sexually attracted to kids and it's a sick, fucking horrible thing that's real, you know? And it exists all over the place. But the problem is it exists like synonymously with Catholic Church. Like people think, because they've hidden those people. They've shielded those people from prosecution. They've taken them, moved them to new places where they molest more kids.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  Uh, I agree, but I would also say it's the only institution that, it was, it was early to declare that that was wrong. Like before the Catholic Church, you had a pagan society where that was not, it was not questioned that that was acceptable.

• 2:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Acceptable.

• 2:30:25Speaker 01

  Like in terms of, like, it introduces the standard by which you can go, it's wrong to be a pedophile. It's wrong to have a boy lover. Cause the Greeks and the Romans were getting up to it.

• 2:30:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:30:35Speaker 01

  It's not an excuse for people's behavior, but it's part of human nature that's been with us for a long time.

• 2:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it was part of their nature also when they would go on army campaigns and there was no women for years at a time. They just fucked each other.

• 2:30:46Speaker 01

  In the legs.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  They fucked each other in the legs?

• 2:30:48Speaker 01

  Into curle.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they would squeeze their legs together and then use their legs like a titty fuck?

• 2:30:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:30:54Speaker 01

  Cause it was disrespectful to the soldier with, to put it in his butt. He still has to fight the next day.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  You don't want him having a mobility issue.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  So they were just coming each other's legs?

• 2:31:03Speaker 01

  In the legs.

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  That's not that bad.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  That's just helping out a bro.

• 2:31:08Speaker 01

  Worst things happen on boats now, let's see.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was, they also had the concept that if you were fighting next side beside your lover, you would fight harder to protect them than just another man.

• 2:31:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, we're not getting couples to join up to the military now, though.

• 2:31:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, right now, we're not because everyone's soft. But if we were at war and you know how many guys would go gay?

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  Draft men and women?

• 2:31:32Joe Rogan?

  You know how many guys would go gay if you gave them three years with no women at all?

• 2:31:36Speaker 01

  You know, you can just draft a married couple. You're in the same battalion together.

• 2:31:39Joe Rogan?

  Military men, hard as a rock all the time, filled with testosterone, running off to some part of the world to kill people. No access to pussy for three years. It's not going to be 0% go gay. It's going to be a number.

• 2:31:51Speaker 01

  I think that was a hu- there was that test after World War II.

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  See how long it takes for you to go gay?

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  They did a huge, well, kinda, because everyone had just come back from being, you know, like five years together in the war.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Gaying it out.

• 2:32:01Speaker 01

  And they ran a big, uh, it was like a survey on sexuality in returned servicemen. And it was some huge number of like.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Gay guys.

• 2:32:10Speaker 01

  It was not just gay guys, but it was also like bestiality was way bigger. Because a lot of these guys had grown up on farms and things. And so they're asking like, have you ever had sex with a chicken? And something like, I'm going to get the numbers wrong, but it's something like 12% of guys being like, yeah. Yes, of course. I don't want to be getting that wrong, but I think, uh.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  How many women fucked a chicken? Zero. You know?

• 2:32:30Speaker 01

  No, there's one lady in Thailand who's still doing it to this day. She is, yeah, it's performing. It's not out of love. She's not an amateur.

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it wasn't her idea. The guy that fucked the chicken, that was totally his idea.

• 2:32:41Speaker 01

  This is a big thing in your act. This is a through line in your act, is that like, you're always like, men are the degenerate ones in these.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  For sure. Well, that is a fact. That's a fact. I mean, we start all the wars. We're responsible for most of the murders.

• 2:32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, one of the funny ones I had a bit about back in the day, I actually had a conversation with this guy. He's like, do you know that statistically speaking, more men get raped than women? I'm like, right. By other men.

• 2:33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Fucking idiot. I'm like, they're not getting raped by cheerleaders.

• 2:33:12Speaker 01

  Wait, is that true?

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, because.

• 2:33:14Speaker 01

  Most rape victims are men?

• 2:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, when you take into account prison.

• 2:33:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:33:20Joe Rogan?

  See, you're taking into account, you know, sexual assault in prison.

• 2:33:23Speaker 01

  Which is just accepted in this.

• 2:33:24Joe Rogan?

  I guess it is.

• 2:33:25Speaker 01

  It's like, that's part of the punishment that everybody knows is going on in prison. No real efforts to stamp out.

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, the crazy thing is woke got so far that they let males identify as females, intact males, and go into female prisons because they're air quotes, trans.

• 2:33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Which is the craziest loophole. Like, you would never think of all the things they restrict you from doing in jail. You can't even have a phone, but you can go fuck girls and pretend you're a girl.

• 2:33:53Speaker 01

  I mean, once you know that exists as a loophole, you'd be very silly not to take it.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Also.

• 2:33:57Speaker 01

  Wouldn't you?

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  You're dealing with people that are fucking liars. They're prisoners. They're in prison. They're criminals. You say, you're saying they rob banks and sell meth, but they wouldn't lie about their gender. That is an honorable.

• 2:34:09Speaker 01

  Has this been stopped now?

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  No. In California, there's, at the time that I read last, there was forty seven biological males that are housed in women's prisons with hundreds on the waiting list.

• 2:34:21Speaker 01

  But this is happening in.

• 2:34:22Joe Rogan?

  It happens in Canada. There's a lot of it in Canada.

• 2:34:26Speaker 01

  I mean, schools is a weird one. We're like, there are single-sex schools. And then they'll have a trans person and they'll admit them. But like,

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  like, you can, you can be a M to F and they'll accept you into a girl's school. But also, if you're a girl at the girl's school and you say, I'm a boy now, they'll keep you at the school. So like, which, just ideologically, which is it? Because if you are a single-sex school. Then if a girl says I'm transitioning to a boy, you should have to kick him out. You say, we believe that you are a boy. Get out of here. You don't belong here. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think there's an intellectual consistency with any of this. It's just people going, this is making me uncomfortable. Please do not get angry at me.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  I'll give you whatever you want.

• 2:35:07Joe Rogan?

  There's that. And then there's also people that really do feel like they're in the wrong body, right? So those people have always existed. So the question is, what is that? And is it possible that someone would lie about that in order to gain access to the women's room? And that's true. That's a fact. So you always have to look at that. Like, as soon as you say, oh, you have to believe them. Okay, you believe a murderer who's in jail? And you're gonna pay for his boob job now? Okay, and you're gonna let him go into the women's prison? Because that's what's happening in Canada, right? They're doing that kind of shit.

• 2:35:38Speaker 01

  Doesn't everyone feel like they're in the wrong? Like, being instantiated in flesh is a weird thing. Like, it's uncomfortable to have a body. It aches. It doesn't do the things you tell it to do all the time. Like, we're all alienated from our body. And there was an explanation for that for a long time. Like, with the gen- with the trans spike, that like, this is what the thing that is wrong with you. This is why you're uncomfortable in your body. But I think the numbers have collapsed in the last five years.

• 2:36:05Joe Rogan?

  When they collapsed? It coincided with Elon buying Twitter.

• 2:36:09Speaker 01

  Okay, I didn't know that.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, the the post 2024 numbers have dropped off a cliff.

• 2:36:15Speaker 01

  When you stop offering that as an explanation, yeah.

• 2:36:17Joe Rogan?

  You could, not only that, but you could talk about it now. Whereas before, if you, if you, literally, if you wrote on Twitter that a male could never be a female, you'd be banned.

• 2:36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  You would, like, that's what happened to Meghan Murphy. They banned her. They banned her from Twitter by saying, a man is never a woman.

• 2:36:37Speaker 01

  Well, I remember they were banning people for saying what J.K. Rowling had said, but they're like, we can't get rid of J.K. Rowling because she's too big.

• 2:36:43Joe Rogan?

  It's completely, it was completely insane. Because you should be able to talk about anything, and if you're wrong about that, like, other people are gonna correct you or have a better argument than you have. And that's how you figure out who's right and who's wrong. And for the longest time, there was no talk of detransitioners being upset. There was no talk of, these things are actually chemical castration drugs they used to use on pedophiles. And that's what these things are. Rapists and pedophiles used to be forced to take these drugs that you're now giving to prepubescent boys.

• 2:37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also, the new penis is a

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:37:16Speaker 01

  I don't want to be sent any more of those.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  Bro, the new penises and the new vaginas.

• 2:37:19Speaker 01

  Shane was sending new penises after talking to you. I've seen that.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  Both of them are, it's genital mutilation.

• 2:37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:25Joe Rogan?

  And with, with a lot of them, that these people have these thoughts about being a girl or being a boy, they try, it turns out they're just gay.

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  But do you, I mean, but what, all right, theory, possible theory.

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  Theory.

• 2:37:37Speaker 01

  Is that the ruling classes have always wanted eunuchs.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:37:40Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? Like, if you're an emperor of China.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you just put on the full tin foil hat roll.

• 2:37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is my tin foil hat moment on this.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  You put the whole roll on your head.

• 2:37:47Speaker 01

  Well, it's good to have a eunuch advising you, because they're calm. We're talking about this before, the sex urge is gone and they can just use all their nickel-ate test.

• 2:37:55Joe Rogan?

  Right, like a neutered dog.

• 2:37:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  All dogs are trans.

• 2:37:57Speaker 01

  Yes. And so are we, is that, is that the effort? Is that why you want to do it? Is that why we have?

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, I don't think it's that.

• 2:38:03Speaker 01

  That's a long-term play, that the ruling class are breeding, a new eunuch class to advise them and help. Anyway, it's just a theory.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, I certainly think it's been accelerated by various special interests. And I think some of them are foreign. I think there's, there's a lot, there's real evidence that China and other countries have pushed on social media, like, trans ideology.

• 2:38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  And also, like, fought against anti-trans people and attacked them online. Like, you, you see it, like, these organized hate groups.

• 2:38:33Speaker 01

  Not in China, though, only in America.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  No, in America, like, doing it in America, using different AI programs and, but LGBT issues are just one of the many things that they do that with. They do that with immigration, they do that with USAID. They try to disrupt our system by getting us to argue with each other, so they pose as us.

• 2:38:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:51Joe Rogan?

  And argue, you know, and say wild shit.

• 2:38:54Speaker 01

  And some of that is being added now that on X you can see where people are from.

• 2:38:57Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. It's interesting, right?

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  It's.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's interesting. Not everybody looks at it, but when you do look at it, you go, oh, you're, you're in Africa. This is kind of crazy.

• 2:39:09Speaker 01

  You're a white nationalist account in China. That seems counterintuitive.

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems weird. There's a lot of that. Yes, Renee Duresta did some research on that with the Internet Research Agency before the 2016 elections, when they were talking about how these foreign countries had these Things that were set up that were just designed to put posts on Facebook and memes. And it was just designed to sway the conversation towards a certain direction.

• 2:39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:34Joe Rogan?

  And she's like, and the funny thing, she saw like thousands and thousands of these memes. She's like, some of them are really funny. Like they're really funny.

• 2:39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, who's making these?

• 2:39:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who's making these? They're being made in Russia or somewhere.

• 2:39:45Speaker 01

  This is what, this is, when I'm on the New York Times app, it feels like I know what their agenda is all the time.

• 2:39:52Joe Rogan?

  You do.

• 2:39:52Speaker 01

  And it's so nice to be like, I know where that's coming from. I know that when I'm on X, it's like, there's a lot of reality coming at you at once. And then there's also definitely bots on there doing, and it's.

• 2:40:05Joe Rogan?

  It's too.

• 2:40:05Speaker 01

  I feel overwhelmed. It is too much.

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Too overwhelming. I try not to fuck with it anymore. Every time I go on there, I just feel bad. I just feel gross. All of them, all of them. I try to stay off them as much as possible. I feel better when I do.

• 2:40:18Speaker 01

  But you're in a, you're in a valuable position of just getting to talk to people who know what's going on. You get to talk to, I remember Christopher Hitchens, someone asked him like, what newspapers do you read? And he said, none. I just talk to people who know things that I want to talk to, who I trust who know things. You're a very well connected, not everyone gets to, you can have a phone call with like an expert in something if you want.

• 2:40:37Joe Rogan?

  That's true. That's a huge plus to doing this. But it's also you have to find out which expert is really honest.

• 2:40:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:40:45Joe Rogan?

  You have two different experts, like if you have a, some sort of a court case, well, the defense will have an expert. And then the prosecution has an expert too, and they disagree. So wait a minute. I thought it was all based on fact and logic and science. Like you guys are, whether it's DNA evidence or all kinds of evidence, there's like. Experts on both sides. So you're always going to have some sign of dispute. If you have complete. If everybody just like completely agrees with one narrative, there's something probably going on. And generally speaking, what's going on is that they have control over that social media application, like Blue Sky.

• 2:41:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Blue Sky is a perfect example. If you just go on Blue Sky and type, there's only two genders, banned, you're gone.

• 2:41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  You're over. Like they don't fuck around.

• 2:41:30Speaker 01

  Which is why that one is being allowed, I think, in Australia.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  In Australia.

• 2:41:33Speaker 01

  So we're banning X for the under sixteens, but Blue Sky is fine.

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna turn people into the most radical of progressives.

• 2:41:40Speaker 01

  But they want, they're saying here are the facts that you can agree on, and then you can, you can have your disagreement within that bubble. But you've got to exist within a shared reality.

• 2:41:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:52Speaker 01

  I'm getting freaked out by the New York Times app and I don't like it, okay? But, so they'll have ads in there and this is this, they have ads for the New York Times in the New York Times app, right?

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't seem smart.

• 2:42:03Speaker 01

  It's what they're off, they're saying you should buy a friend of yours the New York Times app. Okay, you should pay for them to have it and then it's like, why should you do that? So you can talk, so you can understand the news together, so you can share the world together, right? They're like, isn't it terrible when someone has different facts to you? Let's all have the same facts so that we can know our children again. You should buy your children the New York Times app and bring them under the safe, warm umbrella. And it is when I'm on there, it's like being in a weird bath or something where it's like a protected zone. I will be deleting it at some point. I enjoy doing the whirrl. But it's like, I'm just getting a second of, because I've, I've been in Austin for like two years now. And most of my news has come through talking to Kurt Metzger in the green room or something, you know what I mean?

• 2:42:47Speaker 01

  And so I was like, just give me a taste of what like a normie out there is experiencing is reality.

• 2:42:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem is those normies get indoctrinated just as much as anybody else does. And so they get indoctrinated to thinking that the New York Times is the golden standard of accurate news reporting. And it's not biased and this is the actual story that's going on and no, that's not always the case.

• 2:43:10Speaker 01

  I would say at least on the right, people are getting indoctrinated by like multiple different strange things. Like the actual agreement, you can have arguments and discussions about things and people do. And you've seen that like meme where it's like here's right wing thought and it's all fucking over the place. And it's like here's the left wing thing, it's like one thought.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  And everything after that is Hitler.

• 2:43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  Everything to the right of that is Hitler.

• 2:43:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've seen those. It's weird now that you're seeing all these right wing people that are having public feuds.

• 2:43:36Speaker 01

  It's blown up. It's been a big week.

• 2:43:38Joe Rogan?

  What's happening? Like, why did everybody lose the plot? It's weird.

• 2:43:43Speaker 01

  Charlie Kirk was holding something together and now it's really, I think people are, I don't, I think he was.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like from his death out, there's a lot of chaos on the right, but is that because of his death? Would it, like, why are all these people attacking each other? Or is it because, you know, there's people out there that are saying wild shit and then other people are being forced to defend them, whether it's Candace Owens or whoever it is?

• 2:44:09Speaker 01

  I think the conservative movement was always a weird bringing together of about three different things.

• 2:44:15Joe Rogan?

  What are those things?

• 2:44:16Speaker 01

  Uh, like foreign policy hawks, social conservatives and big business people. And William F. Buckley Jr., is that his name? I'm getting that right, but like the National Review, he managed to purge all the John Birch Society people and say, this is mainline conservatism going forward. And then Reagan was able to like dovetail him with that and there was, there was like a, there was a coming together of two people who didn't, it didn't make a lot of sense for like a religious conservative and a big city finance guy to share a platform together. But under that project, you could bring them together. And that that, it breaks apart and you can see it now, like there are a couple of things really breaking up, like

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  where is the right fracturing in Arizona at the moment with, it's like Israel is a fault line. There's no holding together the two wings of the conservative movement under Israel anymore. Is there like, you, the Tucker Carlson wing of that discussion and the Ben Shapiro wing don't seem to be able to harmoniously go in lockstep.

• 2:45:19Joe Rogan?

  No, they hate each other.

• 2:45:20Speaker 01

  They really hate each other. There's a conspiratorial wing and there's like a big business wing that don't want to get along. There are like, there's libertarians and there's conservatives and those, they match up on a couple of things, but not a lot of things. In terms of like, you know, what is a family? What is, what are our values going forward? What should we have religious values in the law? A lot of people on the right would say yes, a lot of people on the right would say that's the, never, no. So unless there's like a unifying, like.

• 2:45:51Speaker 01

  I don't wanna say strong man, but like one, unless there's a unifying figure to bring those two disparate groups together, I think their natural thing is to fight with each other. And that's what's happening now is that it's the end of the Trump era, he's not gonna run again.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:46:07Speaker 01

  He managed to build some sort of coalition around himself. And that's, I think, Mr. Kirk's widow, whose name I don't remember, who had the gold outfit.

• 2:46:15Joe Rogan?

  Erica Kirk.

• 2:46:16Speaker 01

  Erica Kirk. I don't watch a lot of the speeches, cuz I, I get all secondhand, but she's going like, we need to get behind J.D. Vance, he's gonna be the future of holding this together. And he's trying to really stay out of it so that they, like, he's not making a call one way or the other, he's trying to allow the two parties to.

• 2:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Duke it out, see who rises.

• 2:46:36Speaker 01

  I guess he'll see who wins, or like.

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. Well, that's the thing, it's like someone has gotta win, right? Like, something's gonna, or they're just gonna just like diffuse the whole right-wing movement by being constantly at war with each other, where there's no consention.

• 2:46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this happens on the left as well, like, the left, like, the AOC people and the Nancy Pelosi people are not natural bedfellows.

• 2:46:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, what's the consensus? Like, what do they agree on? They agree on immigration, they all agree on immigration, right?

• 2:47:04Speaker 01

  Kinda, I mean, no, big business people want heaps of illegal immigration.

• 2:47:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  Cuz it's cheap labor.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  But the big business people, that is true, there's some CEOs that have openly discussed the fact that they need that in order for their business model to work.

• 2:47:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you've got like the Pat Buchanan wing of the party going up against the like H.W. Bush wing of the party.

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  Mm.

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  So I don't even think they can get around that.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  But most people would say that having an open border, most people on the right would say having an open border is a real problem, you need to close the border. If you vote, if you were a right-wing person, you ran on, let's open up the border again, we need illegal immigrants, we need the labor.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  It would be over.

• 2:47:41Speaker 01

  You would never win.

• 2:47:42Joe Rogan?

  You would never win.

• 2:47:43Speaker 01

  You could govern that way, and I think people did for a long time.

• 2:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Mm.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  But you could never have that as your public position.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, you could let them sneak in, let it slippy slip.

• 2:47:50Speaker 01

  Well, like, Biden was always saying, we're tough on the border, and you go, these numbers are very galling.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  You definitely weren't. He wasn't tough on shit, but I also think he wasn't running anything either, you know, I mean.

• 2:48:03Speaker 01

  It's hard to.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, hard to imagine.

• 2:48:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no way. So whoever was running it wanted to keep running it, and that was a real problem, that was a real problem. That's scary, because then you realize, even though it's crazy to have a president, at least the ideas you voted a president in. But if the president doesn't do anything, and it's really a bunch of, like, as nutty as Trump is, at least you know he's doing it. Like, nobody else is gonna put gold all over the White House. You know, he's doing that.

• 2:48:29Speaker 01

  He's writing those plaques.

• 2:48:30Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  He did the auto pen thing. At the very least, you know it's him doing it.

• 2:48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:35Joe Rogan?

  And you hate him, you love him, whatever.

• 2:48:37Speaker 01

  I think he wrote, he wrote that Rob Reiner tweet. I don't think anyone was in his ear going, I think, I think you should take a big stand against Rob Reiner today.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  No, he wrote that. He wrote that.

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  But as to where the right will go.

• 2:48:48Joe Rogan?

  It was Brennan. Brennan and Clapper. Those are the people that had the video with Rob Reiner, where he's like, literally talking it too spooks, about how it's a real problem that Trump is the president and he's a criminal.

• 2:48:59Speaker 03

  He started up something called the Committee for Russian Investigation, or something like that. Rob Reiner did.

• 2:49:04Speaker 01

  No one apologizes for the Russia stuff.

• 2:49:07Joe Rogan?

  No. It's crazy what they did.

• 2:49:09Speaker 01

  The Covid stuff no one apologizes for?

• 2:49:11Joe Rogan?

  No. They, they completely lied. As much as you can hate him about a lot of things that Trump has done, you, you can't just let people get away with making a fake story about him colluding with Russia. Like, that's a fake story. The Steele dossier was literally, all that stuff was funded by the Clinton campaign. It's crazy.

• 2:49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the Epstein stuff coming out now is, I mean, we'll see what happens with that.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you guys were talking right before the podcast, said, Jamie said there was a big dump. What happened with the big dump?

• 2:49:39Speaker 03

  Big dump?

• 2:49:40Joe Rogan?

  You said there was a big dump today and they fucked up? That was your, your take? They fucked up?

• 2:49:43Speaker 03

  The fuck up was that people have found out that the redactions weren't really redacted.

• 2:49:48Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun.

• 2:49:49Speaker 03

  It's like, that's a big mistake. Like, you can copy and paste and put it in another document and see the redactions.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like a Photoshop deal? Like, you could get the layers away?

• 2:49:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:49:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, whoopsies. That's what happens, you get fucking people working for the government, they're dorks.

• 2:50:02Speaker 03

  Then, then, which is like, this is like steps to this.

• 2:50:06Speaker 01

  That's a big deal.

• 2:50:06Speaker 03

  I wasn't following at all, but... Uh, the Department of Justice has tweeted a couple of interesting things today. Starting with this one, eight hours ago, so it's like, uh, 6 a.m. or something.

• 2:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Department of Justice has officially released nearly 30,000 more pages of documents related to Jeffrey Epstein. Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election. To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false. And if they had a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already. Nevertheless, out of our commitment to the law and transparency, the DOJ is releasing these documents with the large, with the legally required protections for Epstein's victims.

• 2:50:52Speaker 03

  Some of those documents have been deleted now.

• 2:50:54Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so they're saying that 30,000 more pages of documents, and some of them contain untrue and sensational claims made against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election, right? But by who?

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  That's, uh, people are just sort of taking it as a grain of salt, saying like, what, so nobody else, it's all on?

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's only Trump.

• 2:51:15Speaker 03

  Only untrue about Trump, nothing, nobody else.

• 2:51:16Joe Rogan?

  All the Bill Clinton photos were definitely him with, come on.

• 2:51:20Speaker 03

  Picture came out of a letter that seems to be a potential suicide note written by Epstein, written to Larry Nassar. The facts of that that are strange, there's a postmark, which is three or four days after he died.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, Larry Nassar?

• 2:51:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was also in jail.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  He's the Olympic guy?

• 2:51:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  The doctor that was a pedophile?

• 2:51:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's like a letter writing like, hey, I know what, you know why I'm in jail. I know why you're in jail.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that seems weird that he's writing a letter to a pedophile.

• 2:51:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like, that starts off saying, if you've gotten this, you know I took the, in quotes, "short route" out, which...

• 2:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Short route home, right?

• 2:51:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh, but there's some weird detail, people are like, they said, they're saying this is fake, or maybe fake.

• 2:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Did they get a handwriting expert to analyze it yet?

• 2:52:08Speaker 01

  Peering doesn't, that's, I started asking the questions like, well then, why did it get, why did it come out? How are you know?

• 2:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so the FBI, it says the FBI has confirmed this alleged letter from Jeffrey Epstein to Larry Nassar is fake. Fake in all caps. Trump wrote that.

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  He gets busted by the use of all caps. Fake letter. Was received by the jail and flagged for the FBI at the time. The FBI made this conclusion based on the following facts. The writing does not appear to match Jeffrey Epstein's. The letter was postmarked three days after Epstein's death out of Northern Virginia when he was jailed in New York. The return address did not list the jail where Epstein was held and did not include his inmate number, which is required for outgoing mail. The fake letter serves as a reminder that just because a document is released by the Department of Justice does not make the allegations or claims within the document factual. Nevertheless, the DOJ will continue to release all material required by law. Well, this is how they probably should have done it from the beginning, right? Release all material.

• 2:53:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  And then refute whatever you say is fake. And you say, okay, it didn't have his inmate number. It's not his handwriting. It's fake. It was three days after his death. It was postmarked from Virginia. He was in New York.

• 2:53:22Speaker 01

  But don't make it look like you're covering it up. Just.

• 2:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Right. Release it and say it's fake.

• 2:53:26Speaker 01

  I have seen on Twitter, people complaining about like, like they're not meant to censor anything due to embarrassment. But when it's like Ghislaine Maxwell's boobs, they will censor it out. And people going, this has been illegally censored. You must, by the law of the United States, show me her boobs.

• 2:53:43Joe Rogan?

  I need to see them areolas.

• 2:53:45Speaker 01

  Is she, she's in prison in Texas?

• 2:53:47Joe Rogan?

  She's in, you can kind of call it prison. She does yoga, plays cards, hangs out.

• 2:53:52Speaker 01

  Is she allowed to talk to people?

• 2:53:53Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. She's not allowed to podcast, I'm sure, if that's what you're getting at.

• 2:53:57Speaker 01

  I am. That would be a really exciting podcast.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  If everybody wants to die, that would be a really good podcast.

• 2:54:03Speaker 01

  I think she's just a nice, normal lady.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  Do you think Trump on the way out pardons her?

• 2:54:08Speaker 01

  She's a nice woman. I wish her will. I don't know. It's a.

• 2:54:11Joe Rogan?

  The weird thing is she's in jail for sex trafficking to.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 2:54:18Speaker 01

  Epstein.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54:19Speaker 01

  But I, was it for that?

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  From him?

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  I think it was sixteen year olds in Florida and it was directly to him. I was briefly, I experimented with being like a non Epstein believer.

• 2:54:31Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:54:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, for about two weeks.

• 2:54:33Joe Rogan?

  What did you, what did you think was going on?

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  I was like, maybe he's just a pervert who liked getting backrubs from sixteen year olds and he had famous friends. Cause everyone was like, he's Mossad, he's CIA.

• 2:54:42Joe Rogan?

  What do you think now?

• 2:54:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's obviously something. It's why, I just thought every, like, everyone in the green room was saying, he's Mossad. I was like, I could be, maybe the controversial thing would be to not believe this conspiracy.

• 2:54:56Joe Rogan?

  Take the contrarian position?

• 2:54:57Speaker 01

  I just wanted to try, experiment with the contrarian position and it's getting harder and harder to hold that.

• 2:55:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like the more they dig into his past, the more it feels like he was part of some sort of intelligence agency.

• 2:55:08Speaker 01

  Or like channeling offshore money for people.

• 2:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. How about the fact that he just got a slap on the wrist during the first case? When he caught a case and then the, whoever it was, was the prosecutor, the judge was told that he was intelligence.

• 2:55:22Speaker 01

  There was a, yeah, that's, and then someone retr- I listened to a podcast on it from like some, some, Matthew Schmitz, who's Compact Magazine. And they were like, they were making out that it was a, it was an anti-Semitic plot to say that Epstein was a secret intelligence. And it's genuinely, although I don't agree with them, it was one of the best put together podcasts I'd heard.

• 2:55:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at this, Suicide Watch Observation Lot, 2:15 a.m., inmate states his cellmate tried to kill him.

• 2:55:54Speaker 01

  Hmm, inmate sitting on bed trying to remember what happened.

• 2:55:57Speaker 03

  He literally tracked it, saying he has no idea what happened, but there's pictures of him showing his wounds and stuff. I think he also said he woke up and didn't know where those wounds came from.

• 2:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so that's the guy too, by the way, you know that, that's the cellmate, the giant dude. Oh, so the cellmate beat the fuck out of him. I don't see any wounds.

• 2:56:14Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Where's the wounds?

• 2:56:18Joe Rogan?

  New release document showing.

• 2:56:19Speaker 01

  Who's sad?

• 2:56:20Joe Rogan?

  Semi-conscious with neck injuries.

• 2:56:23Speaker 03

  He had marks around his wrists.

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  Let me see.

• 2:56:25Speaker 03

  Well, I mean.

• 2:56:25Joe Rogan?

  Let me see his neck.

• 2:56:26Speaker 03

  It's not a good picture.

• 2:56:27Speaker 01

  It's a video?

• 2:56:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, it's a video.

• 2:56:32Speaker 03

  His picture, his hands were swollen. I think it said his ankles or feet were swollen too.

• 2:56:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so the guy tried to grab his neck and choke him.

• 2:56:38Speaker 03

  But they said they investigated. They didn't find anything.

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Found no evidence of foul play. I didn't do nothing. He says he didn't do nothing. I don't know what to tell you. You're okay. Get back in jail, you pedophile. That's probably what they did. But the guy probably tried to kill him. I mean, it looks like a guy that would try to kill you, and he was definitely a murderer.

• 2:56:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're in a jail cell with a pedophile, I don't think that's unusual to try and kill that guy.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  Also, you're a big giant guy who's in jail for murdering four drug dealers, and you're a cop. Like, probably. I was, I was always saying that you get him to kill that guy for like a pack of cigarettes. I think that's gonna be jail for the rest of his life, forever, for sure, and you can give him like awesome special treatment if he waxed Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:57:20Speaker 01

  Man, I was really trying. I tried so hard. I went on podcasts trying to say he wasn't. Yeah. I wish I hadn't. I just, I just thought it was a cool, a cool like bucking back against the grain thing to say. And I was saying he was charismatic.

• 2:57:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:36Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't famous people want to hang out with this charismatic man?

• 2:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Good point.

• 2:57:40Speaker 01

  That photo where he's with Michael Jackson?

• 2:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:57:42Speaker 01

  His loafers are incredible. He had a great sense of style.

• 2:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 2:57:46Speaker 01

  But I do, and then there's things about him discussing with, you know, he's talking to ex-prime ministers of Israel about how to move money around or some, yeah.

• 2:57:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:57:55Speaker 01

  It's, I, it's not good.

• 2:57:57Joe Rogan?

  Former prime minister of Israel used to visit him at his Manhattan place with like a mask over his face. He like pulled his fucking, had like one of these things on. You ever seen?

• 2:58:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:58:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. See, they have pictures of him trying to cover his face as he goes into Epstein's house, which is what I always do when I go to my friend's house.

• 2:58:13Speaker 01

  You cover your face?

• 2:58:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't want anybody knowing. You go to the ring doorbell.

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  There's also, there's apparently more.

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Nixon mask on.

• 2:58:19Speaker 01

  More Prince Andrew ones now.

• 2:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, of course.

• 2:58:21Speaker 01

  And he's a.

• 2:58:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a reason why they literally kicked him out of the royal family. They banished him to a man- mansion somewhere in the hills.

• 2:58:29Speaker 01

  I don't think he'd been, yeah, it's not good. It hurts the, it hurts my regard for the beautiful royal family who I love very much.

• 2:58:36Joe Rogan?

  I bet you do. You like a good royal family.

• 2:58:39Speaker 01

  I love a royal family.

• 2:58:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dude.

• 2:58:42Speaker 01

  Why he's dodging the paparazzi?

• 2:58:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure. Paparazzi are always in front of a financial guy's house. Bunch of chicks leaving.

• 2:58:50Speaker 01

  A lot of people seem to love hanging out with this guy. A charismatic guy.

• 2:58:54Joe Rogan?

  Bet he's a lot of fun. Had cool people at his parties.

• 2:58:57Speaker 01

  I mean, the, it was Woody Allen he was hanging out?

• 2:59:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bill Clinton.

• 2:59:02Speaker 01

  Bill Clinton seems to have a great time in all the photos.

• 2:59:04Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people seem like having a great time. Michael Jackson was hanging out there.

• 2:59:08Speaker 01

  Michael Jackson didn't look like he was having a lot of fun, though.

• 2:59:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think he had a lot of fun, period, right?

• 2:59:13Speaker 01

  Michael?

• 2:59:13Joe Rogan?

  Tortured individual.

• 2:59:15Speaker 01

  He had a roller coaster. How could he be unhappy?

• 2:59:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that was for him. That roller coaster was like.

• 2:59:24Speaker 01

  I still know.

• 2:59:24Joe Rogan?

  When you put up a turkey, when you go turkey hunting, you put up a fake turkey?

• 2:59:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:59:28Joe Rogan?

  Bring in the turkeys?

• 2:59:29Speaker 01

  His father made him dance too much, and that's why he wanted to spend the night with boys. I can't defend Michael Jackson.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't. Who can you defend easier, Michael Jackson or Epstein?

• 2:59:41Speaker 01

  Well, we don't have any. Yeah, I mean, probably Michael Jackson because the music was great.

• 2:59:46Joe Rogan?

  The music was great and there's the, his doctor said he was chemically castrated. You know that?

• 2:59:51Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 2:59:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the doctor that went to jail for giving him propofol, that wound up killing him.

• 2:59:56Speaker 01

  The general anesthetic.

• 2:59:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:59:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:59:58Joe Rogan?

  That doctor, um, when he got out of jail, spoke publicly about the fact that Michael, when he was young, was giving chemical castration drugs to protect his voice, to keep his voice from deepening.

• 3:00:11Speaker 01

  I'm on the record saying the castrati should be brought back.

• 3:00:13Joe Rogan?

  You think so? You're on the record?

• 3:00:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, over and over again, I said, if we're gonna have trans people.

• 3:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Make him sing?

• 3:00:21Speaker 01

  You, you get it regarding how well you can sing.

• 3:00:23Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta do it when you're really young.

• 3:00:25Speaker 01

  It's gotta be before puberty.

• 3:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:27Speaker 01

  I don't really believe it, but I do wanna hear the castrati again. We've got one recording that's not very good.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  It's weird.

• 3:00:32Speaker 01

  Have you heard it?

• 3:00:32Joe Rogan?

  It's eerie. Yeah, we played on this podcast a bunch of times.

• 3:00:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:00:35Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of macabre.

• 3:00:37Speaker 01

  But people loved it at the time.

• 3:00:38Joe Rogan?

  They were sick people.

• 3:00:40Speaker 01

  And only the Italians. Because the Italians were bold and they.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  What a crazy move.

• 3:00:45Speaker 01

  What?

• 3:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Cut your son's balls off when he's young so he could sing at a high pitch forever?

• 3:00:50Speaker 01

  Well, I think they would crush them because they didn't have antiseptic. I think cut them off is a.

• 3:00:55Joe Rogan?

  What'd they do? They crush their balls?

• 3:00:56Speaker 01

  I think they'd crush them and then put them in a bath of milk. But do you know about the swan thing?

• 3:01:02Joe Rogan?

  What'd they do to crush the balls? What'd they use? They just smash them?

• 3:01:05Speaker 01

  But it was illegal.

• 3:01:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at that thing you did with your hands. That was terrible.

• 3:01:08Speaker 01

  It's not good, but they would deny it. The families would never cop to it because it was illegal to castrate your son.

• 3:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 3:01:13Speaker 01

  So you would, you would come up with an excuse. And there's like one town in Italy where over the course of a year, they're like, they reported hundreds of swan attacks. That's what they would say.

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 3:01:23Speaker 01

  They'd say a swan flew into my son's testicles.

• 3:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 3:01:27Speaker 01

  And that's why he's now the best singer in Milan.

• 3:01:30Joe Rogan?

  And they did it so their son could make money, just like a theater mom.

• 3:01:32Speaker 01

  But the people loved it. Like when, when there was the last one and they were going to retire it, people was chanting, like crowds screamed, long live the knife. They wanted it to keep going. Do you know about this?

• 3:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Long live the knife?

• 3:01:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was like.

• 3:01:44Joe Rogan?

  The nut cutting knife?

• 3:01:45Speaker 01

  Widespread popular support not to get rid of the castrati.

• 3:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, really?

• 3:01:50Speaker 01

  People wanted to keep hearing it.

• 3:01:51Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's terrible.

• 3:01:53Speaker 01

  But they must have sounded really good.

• 3:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, we heard the recording. Want to hear it?

• 3:01:56Speaker 01

  Apparently he was no good. Apparently he was one of the worst ones.

• 3:02:00Speaker 03

  Many of these operations were performed by local barbers.

• 3:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the razor.

• 3:02:07Speaker 01

  I guess I did use the razor sometimes.

• 3:02:09Speaker 03

  No, yeah, they said this was an operation.

• 3:02:11Speaker 01

  I should have guessed you were across the castrati.

• 3:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Plucked them out.

• 3:02:13Speaker 01

  I could have guessed that would have come up on this show before. I didn't know you'd played it a bunch of times.

• 3:02:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, we played it before. We'll leave on this.

• 3:02:19Speaker 03

  Oh, you won't? I don't know.

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Can we play it?

• 3:02:20Speaker 03

  I can't. This is one of those videos I could have.

• 3:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, somebody might own it.

• 3:02:24Speaker 01

  I actually, I got into an argument about it because I put it on a video once and I got challenged. I challenged it back because it was recorded so long ago.

• 3:02:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it should be in the open.

• 3:02:33Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 3:02:34Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 3:02:34Speaker 01

  There's a Wikipedia recording. It's totally open. No, I'm across it.

• 3:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we don't want to deal with it though.

• 3:02:38Speaker 01

  How come no rappers are sampling the castrati? Danny Brown.

• 3:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Maybe Diddy when he gets out.

• 3:02:45Speaker 03

  Maybe you could.

• 3:02:46Speaker 01

  I'm not even going to try and be a Diddy defender. I thought about it.

• 3:02:50Joe Rogan?

  You're such a contrarian. You do think about it.

• 3:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I, it would be nice. I just don't have enough time to research it properly. But if I had all the time and if I didn't have kids, I would be spending all my time becoming the best Epstein defender because it would be a cool thing to say at parties very stridently. Wouldn't it?

• 3:03:06Joe Rogan?

  That's such an Australian thing to think.

• 3:03:08Speaker 03

  It is. It's just a quick expla- I mean, they really sum this up fast.

• 3:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Time roughly beginning in 17th century to mid 19th century, an era where the science of anesthesia, anesthetiation, still had some way to go. And here we go. Before making the first cut, a surgeon would send a patient into a semi-comatose state by plying him with an opium-based drink and compressing his carotid arteries.

• 3:03:29Speaker 01

  Oh, there's the milk.

• 3:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Then the boy would be plunged into a bath of milk or hot water to soften the necessary parts, at which point, speed was of the essence. Cut the spermatic cords, remove the testicles, tie the ducts, and then, fingers crossed. Oh, God. Oh, God.

• 3:03:47Speaker 01

  But what is it about the Italians that were the only people to do it?

• 3:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Why you, why you fucking with my people?

• 3:03:52Speaker 01

  I know, I'm saying it's kind of a greatness of spirit.

• 3:03:55Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:03:55Speaker 01

  To go, that's how much you loved music.

• 3:03:57Joe Rogan?

  It's disgusting.

• 3:03:58Speaker 01

  Other people were trying to take over the world and build empires, not in Italy. That's what you were doing in the 17th century.

• 3:04:02Joe Rogan?

  They just didn't know that AI could just fake it. They could make an AI castrata. Maybe we should close on that. Let's have AI do a castrata of-

• 3:04:09Speaker 01

  I reject it. I reject AI castrata. I want the real thing.

• 3:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Papa was a rolling stone.

• 3:04:13Speaker 01

  Can you do that?

• 3:04:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Let's do, uh, have AI make, uh, a cover of Papa Was a Rolling Stone as an opera castrata. Or castrado. Is it castrado or castrata?

• 3:04:28Speaker 01

  I think it's, castrati is the plural.

• 3:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Castrati, right. But is it a castrado?

• 3:04:33Speaker 01

  I think it's a-

• 3:04:34Joe Rogan?

  But is it still a boy if you cut his nuts off?

• 3:04:37Speaker 01

  Well, you're getting a lot of trouble in Britain for saying the opposite, but-

• 3:04:41Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:04:41Speaker 01

  Yes. Ladies loved them.

• 3:04:44Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 3:04:45Speaker 01

  And they got big and tall.

• 3:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Can never get hard.

• 3:04:48Speaker 01

  No, they could.

• 3:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:04:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:51Joe Rogan?

  How do you know?

• 3:04:52Speaker 01

  I read a lot about it, like-

• 3:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they lied.

• 3:04:54Speaker 01

  They would have sex across- no, women would like go and try and have sex with them.

• 3:04:56Joe Rogan?

  But they-

• 3:04:57Speaker 01

  Cause they couldn't get pregnant off the back of it.

• 3:04:58Joe Rogan?

  But how'd they get a boner if they didn't-

• 3:05:01Speaker 01

  I think it like-

• 3:05:01Joe Rogan?

  Have testicles.

• 3:05:02Speaker 01

  They still got, there was still testosterone in the body.

• 3:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Like a tiny amount protrude by the-

• 3:05:07Speaker 01

  They got real tall, though. They got huge. They would be like seven foot tall.

• 3:05:12Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:05:12Speaker 01

  And they're, they're, this is why they could sing so well, is their, their bones in their rib cage wouldn't fuse. Like, there's something in puberty that's meant to come in and like stop your bones growing that happens when you're a child. So they'd have like this huge rib cage with huge lungs.

• 3:05:25Joe Rogan?

  And then a high pitched voice.

• 3:05:26Speaker 01

  And a tiny little boy voice, yeah. But like, huge amounts of air flowing out.

• 3:05:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 3:05:32Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, why can't we, if we're gonna have all the trans kids, doesn't one of them go, identify as a castrati? Couldn't one do it?

• 3:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you're planting the seed in someone's head right now.

• 3:05:42Speaker 01

  I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that.

• 3:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe they already went through with the other thing. And they're like, well, let's make the most of this. You know? Let's make some lemonade.

• 3:05:53Speaker 01

  Castrati doing, have you got, can you really just type it in and make a?

• 3:05:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the.

• 3:06:00Joe Rogan?

  How long does it take to render?

• 3:06:01Speaker 03

  The problem is the lyrics.

• 3:06:03Joe Rogan?

  The lyrics?

• 3:06:04Speaker 03

  Those lyrics are copyrighted.

• 3:06:05Speaker 01

  You could have a song.

• 3:06:06Joe Rogan?

  We can't play it.

• 3:06:07Speaker 01

  The Star Spangled Banner?

• 3:06:08Speaker 03

  It won't make this, that's a whole issue on how you make these songs. I don't want to get into.

• 3:06:11Joe Rogan?

  How are they doing that? You don't want to say it? Okay. All right, let's wrap this up.

• 3:06:15Speaker 01

  Is it a secret?

• 3:06:16Joe Rogan?

  McCann, we're gonna miss you. You'll be back.

• 3:06:18Speaker 03

  I think I just got one. Hold on a second.

• 3:06:19Joe Rogan?

  You got one? Oh, here we go. Here we go. It sounded way. Quite eerie enough.

• 3:06:27Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like a regular guy.

• 3:06:28Speaker 01

  When you hear that, when you hear that one guy. It is otherworld.

• 3:06:31Joe Rogan?

  It's creepy. All right. It's creepy.

• 3:06:33Speaker 03

  It'd make good songs.

• 3:06:34Joe Rogan?

  McCann, I love you, buddy.

• 3:06:35Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

• 3:06:36Joe Rogan?

  It's always fun hanging out with you. And I'm excited about tonight. We're gonna have some fun.

• 3:06:39Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 3:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir. Okay. See you in a bit.

• 3:06:42Speaker 01

  All right.

• 3:06:42Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.