Bonus Episode: RIP David Johansen and Gene Hackman

This week, Jake reflects on the recent passing of two legends: David Johansen and Gene Hackman. Plus, we hear from you on rock n' roll actors, great guitarists, and day drinking with punk legends in a strip club. Next week, we're bringing you a story about Thin Lizzy. In honor of Thin Lizzy and of Saint Patrick's day, we want to know: Who is your favorite Irish band? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 76 - New York Dolls https://www.disgracelandpod.com/076/new-york-dolls Episode 108 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/108/sex-pistols-pt-1 and 109 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/109/sex-pistols-pt-2 - Sex Pistols Episode 151 - U2 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/151/u2 Episode 71 - David Bowie https://www.disgracelandpod.com/071/david-bowie To hear an extended version of the After Party and gain access to our recent exclusive episode on guitar legend Stevie Ray Vaughan, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:13Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand, the after-party.

• 1:40Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode subject, Dennis Hopper. We are also discussing two cultural giants that we lost last week, David Johansson and Gene Hackman. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 2:27Jake Brennan?

  So since the last time we talked, which was during last week's after-party, we lost two giants, I think we can use that word, giants, from the world of entertainment, David Johansson and Gene Hackman. Two men, two artists of immense influence. David Johansson, of course, as a New York Doll. He was the last living New York Doll as well, a band that he led, a band that directly influenced so many others, a band as exciting and thrilling and dangerous as the city that it represented, a band largely reflective of David Johansson's unique style and personality, which was tough, witty, funny, iconoclastic.

• 3:12Jake Brennan?

  If David Johansson never created the New York Dolls, it's doubtful, like, I really, truly mean this, this isn't, this isn't hyperbole, it's doubtful that we would have had bands like The Stooges, The Ramones, and if we didn't have The Ramones, then we wouldn't have had The Clash or The Sex Pistols, and we definitely wouldn't have had, you know, without the New York Dolls, we definitely wouldn't have had Kiss or Molly Crew. At the very, at the very least, Molly Crew would have been a hell of a different band if the New York Dolls never made it into Nicki Six's record collection. I didn't grow up a New York Dolls fan, they were before my time, I came to them late, I came to them actually through Johnny Thunders' solo stuff, so I wasn't there, obviously, when, when they started, it was before I was born. But in the research I've

• 3:56Jake Brennan?

  done, both on the New York Dolls and on bands like, like Blondie, in reading, especially in reading Legs McNeil's book, Please Kill Me, you really get a sense of the stir, the unique stir, the unique energy that the New York Dolls, the excitement that the New York Dolls created in New York City at their, at their spark, at their beginning, specifically around the early 70's shows and in the Mercer Arts Center, shows that were depicted in, oh god, what was that movie? No, TV show on HBO, Vinyl. These shows were the coolest of the coolest shows by every estimation. This whole scene that the New York Dolls had kind of built and that had, that had sprung up around them, around the creation of their band.

• 4:42Jake Brennan?

  It was felt all over the city. I mean, from a young Jeffrey Ross Hyman, AKA Joey Ramone, to Bette Midler. I've even read accounts of John Lennon, if not, you know, being a fan of the New York Dolls, at least being interested or aware of what was going on at the time. And like I said, Bette Midler was hanging out down there. I read, it wasn't true. I checked it this morning. I read that Hendrix was at a New York Doll show, but I checked that out and he died, I believe, the year before they came to be. So if you read that, that's not true. But of course, Joey Ramone, Bette Midler, a host of others who went on to become famous, Debbie Harry, too many to mention. The Dolls were the hottest thing in New York, unquestionably. And they were one of those bands that, of course, didn't sell a lot

• 5:26Jake Brennan?

  of records, but whose influence is still being felt in our culture 50 years later, even beyond music, with style, with filmmaking. I'm actually, I have a film on the back, on in the background right now. It's called Smithereens. It's just playing on Criterion Channel. It's set in the 80s, early 80s, I believe, in Manhattan. And just from the look of it and the feel of it and the sound of it and all of it, you can, you can feel the influence of the New York Dolls in this little indie movie. David Johansson was a, was a star, for sure, despite the band not selling a bunch of records. So, you know, even as a star, though, I, it's hard to even explain the type of, the type of star that David Johansson was in the New York Dolls. I mean, he's, he's an everyman, tough guy,

• 6:11Jake Brennan?

  but he's in lipstick and high heels. And he's got this androgynous image that he's projecting while he's fronting the New York Dolls, but he's still, like I said, tough, fast talking, the scrappy New York cab driver. All that worked in contrast with his band personas somehow. And it just all added up to this certain brand of icon. David Johansson was the best type of rock star. He was, he was many things at once, just like New York City. Okay. You can, I've said that about New York City in the past. It's obvious. But David Johansson was more than just the frontman of the New York Dolls, of course. He was, he was the Buster Poindexter character, that monster hit from the 80s, Hot, Hot, Hot.

• 6:55Jake Brennan?

  He was an actor, most notably as the ghost of Christmas Past and Bill Murray's Scrooge. And I'm sure there's a host of other roles that I'm, I'm not thinking of right now that are, are more indicative of just how awesome David Johansson was.

• 7:09Jake Brennan?

  I had a brief, a brief, very brief, personal exchange with David Johansson about five years ago. And, you know, I was fully aware of the legend that he is. And I found him just in that, that moment to be gentle and kind. And he just projected this, this ease about him that was just beyond cool. That's, that's how I would describe it. So, rest in peace, David Johansson. There's, there's been a gazillion obits about him and tributes and then a lot more eloquent than what I just laid out to you. And I just tried to give it to you raw and sort of semi off the cuff of how I felt, how I feel, I should say, about David Johansson's place in rock and roll history. And I think if

• 7:51Jake Brennan?

  you asked, you asked all the greats, they'd give you something similar to what I just gave you. David Johansson was a one of a kind artist who broke the mold and he will forever, ever be missed. We also lost Gene Hackman. And, you know, like David Johansson, Gene Hackman was immensely influential, though in ways that are harder to qualify, I think, where Johansson was sort of over the top and burst into our cultural consciousness in these brief impactful moments, leaving a loud mark on music and film. Gene Hackman, to me, anyway, was so good and so consistent that it's almost, it's almost like we took

• 8:32Jake Brennan?

  him for granted. Yet there he was. He's in all these great roles, year after year, throughout my childhood, you know, from before my childhood, you know, into my adulthood. Gene Hackman just kind of always there, always pumping out great role after role after role, until he suddenly wasn't. And when he stopped making movies and retired from the public eye about, I guess, what, a decade ago, two decades ago? How many of us even really noticed? I know I didn't, I'm ashamed to say. And I, I say this because a couple of months ago is when I realized this, when these paparazzi photos of a gaunt looking Gene Hackman in his 90s were released. He doesn't look anything like, like, like

• 9:13Jake Brennan?

  we remember him as. And it was at that moment that I realized that he was still around. And I don't know what that's about. Talk about fading away instead of burning out.

• 9:25Jake Brennan?

  But again, there's something really interesting there to me about an artist who's who's just so good and so consistent and so prolific that we take them for granted. And we don't really give ourselves the time and the moments to to celebrate them and to and to really dig in and shout about them and geek out on them. And Gene Hackman was just always there. His filmography is as impressive as almost any other great 20th century actor. I mean, these movies are incredible. French Connection, Hoosiers, Bonnie and Clyde, Royal Tenenbaums, The Firm. The Firm's great. I know, I know there's going to be cinephiles out there who are like, The Firm, what are you talking about?

• 10:10Jake Brennan?

  The Firm's fucking awesome. And he is tremendous. And Unforgiven, even Superman, Mississippi Burning, Young Frankenstein, and of course, The Conversation. Hackman is so good, so so consistent and so Gene Hackman-y in all these films. Like I said, we take them for granted. At least I do. That's my take. I don't know if you guys feel that way. And there's just something to be said about that, that greatness that is so steady that it goes unnoticed. And that, that's what I believe Gene Hackman had. And I believe that he had a career that most actors in Hollywood would die for. And that's actually something we need to talk about is, you know, how Gene Hackman himself died. We're still

• 10:51Jake Brennan?

  figuring it out. David Johansson died from cancer. Gene Hackman's death alongside his wife, Betsy Arakawa, is still very much under investigation. If you're unaware of what happened, their bodies were found in different parts of their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Autopsy and toxicology reports are still pending. There were pills scattered around the body of Hackman's wife, but not around Gene Hackman himself. Both are believed to have been deceased for as long as a week, possibly a little bit longer before they were discovered.

• 11:28Jake Brennan?

  When this happened last week, the fact that their dog was found to be dead as well led everyone to believe that, or to speculate, I should say, that this was carbon monoxide poisoning and that's what was to be blamed. But apparently that's been ruled out. There are no signs of trauma to their bodies if we're to believe what's been reported. There's no signs of foul play. But both these deaths are strange. Hackman was 95. Okay, obviously no spring chicken. His wife, though, was 65. How did they both die at the same time in different parts of the house? And what's up with their dog being dead? 12-year-old

• 12:07Jake Brennan?

  dog found dead on the scene as well. Anyways, we'll find out and we'll do something a little more fully on Gene Hackman in the future. And of course, we have a New York Dolls episode that gets into, you know, obviously David Johansson fronted that band. So we do a lot on David Johansson there. But I think there could actually be some sort of David Johansson tribute episode in the future. There's more to that guy's career than we obviously get into in the New York Dolls episode. And I'm just frankly fascinated by the guy. So I'd love to stick my head and stick my head in that wormhole for a couple of weeks and come out the other side with something cool for you guys to listen to. So maybe we'll do that in the future. And yeah, Hackman, David Johansson, two deaths in the past week. Heavy stuff. One death mysterious, one death rather uneventful,

• 12:51Jake Brennan?

  both sad. But two lives well-lived with massive contributions to our culture. Both men will be missed by millions, including, of course, those of us here in disgraced land. Speaking of disgrace, about Sean Combs and that lawyer who quit, the TikTok rumor, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the rumor mill will not quit. And what's being bandied about as the reason why Diddy's attorney bailed. It's so disgusting. It's so grotesque. I can't repeat it here in this space. But if you want to know my thoughts on it, you can hit me up in the Patreon chat. We can talk about it over there in private, like proper degenerates behind closed doors, privacy of our own digital, digital home. Related news to Diddy, Jay-Z is suing the accuser who brought a lawsuit against him through

• 13:36Jake Brennan?

  Tony Busby. Jay-Z suing that accuser for defamation. And as I say, if you go for the King, you better not miss. They missed. And here comes Jay-Z. Speaking of Kings, we've got some Dennis Hopper. We've got some Stevie Ray Vaughan. Dennis Hopper, of course, this week's full episode of Disgraceland. Stevie Ray Vaughan, last week's exclusive episode for our All-Access members. We're going to be talking about those guys in this here after-party. Before we get to that, I want to talk about what's coming up in Disgraceland. Next in your feed are our Rewind episodes on Tupac Shakur, and these have particular relevance right now because of Sean Combs, as we get ready to go into this Sean Diddy Combs trial in two months. That's right, two months. May 5th, still on the books.

• 14:16Jake Brennan?

  Okay, so we've got to bone up. Got to bone up on our 90s hip-hop true crime. There's really five episodes on the whole Tupac and Biggie saga. When I started Disgraceland, the first season, there's a joint episode on Tupac and Biggie, 30 minutes. And then about two years after that, I released two two-part episodes, one on Tupac himself and one on the notorious B.I.G. that bookended a season of Disgraceland. I think they did. I think they bookended it. Anyways, they all came out around early 2020. But this Tupac episode, if you have not heard it, this two-part Tupac episode, you are in for a treat. And like I said, if you have heard it, time to listen again, time to bone up, get ready for this trial that's coming on Sean Combs in a couple of months. And plus, you know,

• 14:59Jake Brennan?

  with everything that we've learned about Sean Combs and about Tupac's murder in the last few years, I want to know what you guys think about Tupac's murder. I want to know what you guys think about how I depict it in these episodes. And what else is happening? Oh, yeah. Next Tuesday, St. Patty's Day. I know people hate when I say St. Patty's Day, but I don't care. I grew up in Clinton, Massachusetts. You could not be more Irish. You could not be more Catholic. And I know, I know, I know there's, there's purists out there who say that the Irish, the true Irish, the true Catholics don't say St. Patty's Day. Well, I grew up amongst, I'm Catholic myself. I grew up amongst Catholics and we said it, so I'm not going to stop it. Okay, I'm not. St. Patrick's Day, there. I said it for you. For St. Patrick's Day. Also known as St. Patty's Day. We have a Thin Lizzy episode that's coming up.

• 15:43Jake Brennan?

  That's on Tuesday. That's for you guys to hear. When you're listening to this Thin Lizzy episode, I want you to be thinking about the greatest Irish bands of all time. Okay? You can, you can tell me Dropkick Murphys and I'll take it. All right? I'll accept it. They're great. I love them. They're amazing. But you're going to get bonus points for Irish bands. Okay? There ain't that many of them. Speaking of Catholics, uh, my priest went to high school with some of the guys from U2. How cool is that? So I know what his answer is, but I want to know yours. Who is it? Let me know. Be thinking about that when that Thin Lizzy episode pops next week. I'll be back in a flash right after this with your voicemails, your texts, your DMs, emails, and more.

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• 18:14Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Just a quick reminder to the Apple Podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on so that you're not missing out on any episodes. All right. 617-906-6638 to leave me a voicemail and send me a text. Last week's Marilyn Monroe episodes being rewound in your feed, we asked the question of, do you think that the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn Monroe's death? And here is an answer from, who's this from? This is from the 619.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Hey Jake, this is Jesse from the 619. No, it's easy to say that the Kennedys had something to do with Marilyn Monroe's death. I think us as human beings just automatically assume that just because someone was affiliated with someone in a powerful position that, oh, we had to go ahead and take this person out. No, I don't, I don't think that was it. I just think that circumstances may have contributed to her death, but me personally, I just don't think it was the Kennedys. Thanks for everything you do for the show and for getting all this creative stuff for us to listen to, man. Thanks.

• 19:19Jake Brennan?

  619, Jesse, I agree with you 100%. I know that's not that interesting. I know the big juicy conspiracy theory is more interesting, but you know, I think the Kennedys in a lot of way, in a lot of ways were shits and they did some pretty, pretty awful stuff, but I think on balance, especially Bobby Kennedy, I think he was a good dude. And yeah, he may have been in love with Marilyn Monroe, but I mean, hey, can you fucking blame the guy? I mean, come on, does that mean he killed her? I don't think so. I agree 100% with your take on this, Jesse. We also, you know, we released the Stevie Ray Vaughan episode in our all access to our all access members. If you didn't get it in the feed, it's because you're not a member of the, you don't have a membership for the all access part of Disgrace Land,

• 20:02Jake Brennan?

  five bucks a month, by the way. So, so a lot of talk with, about Stevie Ray Vaughan, which was last, last month's exclusive episode. I always stumble over how to say that, that went to our all access members. And we got this call here regarding Stevie Ray Vaughan from Curtis in the 513. Hey Jake, this is Curtis from 513. That's Middletown.

• 20:21Speaker 06

  Ohio. Uh, you asked a question about artists who found themselves in a supporting role to another artist. Well, to have a continuation on Stevie Ray Vaughan's story, what I heard a few months ago was that when Stevie Ray left David Bowie's tour, David Bowie went and found another guitarist who happened to be kind of down on his luck at the time, and it happened to be Peter Frampton. Research that, but that's what I heard on something. I forget what it was, but that's a big thing, too. Later.

• 21:03Jake Brennan?

  Curtis, I'd never heard that before. I'm not surprised Peter Frampton backing up David Bowie. I could see Bowie throwing Frampton a bone there, bringing him on tour. But you know, Curtis, I actually have a lot of research I'm already doing, so I'm not, I'm not going to research that as you, as you so politely told me to do. But if anyone else wants to check that out and get back to Curtis and I here, we will gladly take your, your hard work and try and figure this out. Did Peter Frampton support David Bowie after Stevie Ray Vaughan split from Bowie's band? If you want to hear more about how Stevie Ray Vaughan split, what it was like playing with Bowie, all that stuff, you can listen, like I said, to the All Access episode on Stevie Ray Vaughan, but you got to become

• 21:42Jake Brennan?

  a member. All right, regarding David Johansson, this voicemail comes from the 415.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Easy for you to say, Jake. Hey there. Michael Lane, he's calling from San Francisco on a cloudy Saturday afternoon. Just got the news about the passing of David Johansson, and I am listening to your Dolls episode in sort of humble tribute to him. People say that when somebody passes, somebody's, "Oh, a bit of my childhood just passed, and I really feel that way today." I mean, I was one of a handful of people in my high school who dug the Dolls. I even wrote about them in my high school newspaper, and you know, they were just, you know, no Them, no Pistols, no Ramones, no Green Day, you

• 22:34Speaker 02

  know, none of that. He was, he was a- Gentlemen, and a spiritual scholar, and a scholar, rather, um, you know, I, I really feel lucky to have seen them at the, uh, the Fillmore here in San Francisco in 2005, '06. Well, as the man himself would say, "Let's just dance." And, uh, thanks for what you guys do. Keep that Crenshaw's Facebook going, alright?

• 23:00Jake Brennan?

  415 Michael Lane Heath, thank you so much for the, for the call. Yeah, you nailed it. Um, I, I said pretty much the same thing at the top of the show. I mean, I share your sentiments 100% on David Johansson and the influence that the New York Dolls had, specifically that David had himself. He was, I believe, the spark, not to take anything away from the other guys in the band, Johnny Thunders in particular. But I appreciate your sentiment. I appreciate your call, appreciate the emotion. Uh, we're all a little, a little bit, a little bit raw after the death of David Johansson. 617-906-6638. You guys want to call me about anything? You want to vent about, uh, anything going on in the world? You want to commiserate with our grief over the passing of a couple legends? We can do that as well. You can hit me on text. You can hit me on voicemail, like, like Michael here and the others. You know, with the David Johansson and Gene Hackman passing, I've talked very

• 23:45Jake Brennan?

  little in the last few days. Uh, and even in this podcast already, I've talked very little about Dennis Hopper in the episode that we had. So let's go to this voicemail here. This one coming from the 781 back in Massachusetts.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Jake, what up? It's Ish. Hope all is well. Regarding your question of the week, who is the most rock and roll actor in Hollywood? I wouldn't say this person is the most, but he's definitely a bit rock and roll. I'm gonna go with Mickey Rourke. I don't know. Something about him just screams rock and roll. Uh, yeah, that's all I got. Hope all is well. Disco.

• 24:28Jake Brennan?

  Ish, appreciate you, man. As always, thanks for the call. I wonder what Dennis Hopper thought of Mickey Rourke. I think he would share your sentiment there for sure. Mickey Rourke is fantastic. Just what a force, what a force.

• 24:41Jake Brennan?

  Popa Greenwich Village, please tell me you've all seen that. I kinda wanna re-watch that right now. Yeah, I do. Ish, thanks for reminding me. Mickey Rourke, Dennis Hopper, 617-906-6638, David Johansson, wow, Gene Hackman, all the greats are coming out to play today in this after-party. Barry from the 904, reference to our recent Scorsese episode, hey, my favorite filmmaker, and this one is tough, but I gotta say, Eastwood, same dude who directed Unforgiven, also with Gene Hackman. Barry, thank you for the text. Guys, I'm gonna rapid-fire a bunch of these. I might not read the entire text, but I wanna get to a bunch of stuff that I haven't gotten to in a while. Jake, this is James from the 318, Stevie Ray Vaughan episode was the very definition of exquisite storytelling. Thanks,

• 25:24Jake Brennan?

  James, appreciate that. James goes on to say, as far as my favorite guitarist, I have two. First, Paul Gilbert, not only is he a shredder of the highest level, but the joy on his face as he burns up and down the fretboard reminds me of why I love music in the first place. I love that. Second is the recently passed Jordy Walker from the British post-punk act, Killing Joke. 318, thanks for the text, appreciate you. 706 writes in, hey there, Disgraceland folks, seems like I can't get a break from grief these last few years. It started a few years back by the loss of my father, and I had your podcast to prop up my mind from going to that darker place that we go to in grieving. And this time, it's a little different, but it hurts just the same. My pet of almost 12 years succumbed to lymphoma, and that we've been fighting since around my birthday in October. And

• 26:06Jake Brennan?

  all I have to say after that is fuck cancer and anyone who openly opposes any and all forms of treatment to possibly get a cure for it. Love you guys, please keep it rolling. 706, I'm sorry for your loss. That sucks. I hope you're doing as well as you can be doing with that news. And I hope you're enjoying connecting here with the rest of the disco community here in the after-party. Hit us up elsewhere if you like. We're on Instagram at Disgraceland Pod, we're on X, and we are on Facebook also. I don't know, if you're in the Patreon chat, hit us up there, too. 302, wearing the Disgraceland Rock-a-Rola shirt, looks great, looking good, keep it up. This one comes from the 319, hey Jake, it's Jeremy from the 319, have you thought about making an app with all

• 26:48Jake Brennan?

  your shows, like Ashley Flowers has? That would be cool, and an easy way for people who miss Badlands when you start it back up. Keep up the great work. 319. Appreciate the tip. Yeah, we've thought about it, but we've got something else cooking that I'm going to talk to you about very shortly. Okay. So just keep an ear glued to the after party. All right. 319, you're going to like what we have to talk about. Lots of best director texts. We got 248 coming in hot with Michael Mann, 805, Scorsese, Kubrick, Kubrick, Kubrick. We should do a Stanley Kubrick episode. That'd be great. 818 writes in, Jake, this is a little late, but I wanted to tell you,

• 27:30Jake Brennan?

  great work on the Scorsese part two episode and your impression of Marty talking about taking out the producer in the style that he was talking to Travis Bickle while in the cab was pretty fresh. Since I'm here, I'll just say that along with some of the obvious ones like Scorsese, I gotta put Spike Lee and Guy Ritchie on the fave directors list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love Spike Lee's movies. I really, really, truly do. Guy Ritchie, not as much, but I just haven't spent enough time with them. I will at some point. Something to look forward to. One more here. 808, in regard to the question of the greatest guitarist, I'll answer my personal favorite is Nuno Bettencourt. Nuno from Hudson, Massachusetts.

• 28:09Jake Brennan?

  My old neck of the woods. All right, guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. GR Twardowski writes on Instagram, good afternoon. I heard a conspiracy theory this morning that Mindy McCready didn't commit suicide, but that she and her husband were murdered due to excessive debt. Have you ever heard that? No, I have not. And I am, I don't know, should I be embarrassed to say that I don't know who Mindy McCready is? When you said Mindy McCready, I instantly thought of Mike McCready from Pearl Jam, but Mike McCready, last I checked, is still very much alive. I don't know who you're talking about. If anybody knows who this is or what this is about, and if it's worth looking into, let me know. I am in no way

• 28:51Jake Brennan?

  supporting this so-called conspiracy theory. I am in no way saying that I think it's even a conspiracy theory or that there's any validity to it at all. It's just something that just popped up immediately here in my feed. Sorry, my DMs, and I'm asking you guys if you know anything about it. So hit me up at @disgraceantpod on Instagram. At DisgraceLandPod on X, at DisgraceLandPod on Facebook. Follow us everywhere, get all of our content. I communicate all over the place. Paul G. Bateman on Facebook writes, "Hey Jake, it's me, PGB from the 843, your friendly neighborhood sports therapist and personal trainer. I just watched the documentary on Sly Stone and I have to say it was the perfect compliment to your episode. Between the two, I feel like I have a better look at the whole picture. Thanks for the hard work as always. You asked me about the difference in hot tub and sauna and they are huge."

• 29:38Jake Brennan?

  I'm not going to go into the rest here, but let me just say, Paul, I appreciate the info on hot tubs and sauna. Okay, 617-906-6638, at DisgraceLandPod. Next week's question of the week, who's your favorite Irish band, your favorite band from Ireland? I want to know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, at DisgraceLandPod. On the socials, I'll be back in a flash.

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• 31:41Jake Brennan?

  All right, welcome back. Disgraceland's Story of the Week can be any story from your rock and roll past, or from rock and roll history in general, that you think best represents the rock and roll spirit, and that you want to share with us, and then we share it on the internet. Okay, we've been posting these on Instagram, doing these little carousel stories, sort of celebrate you guys, and all the, all the rock and roll animalism that you've gotten up to in the past. [email protected] is how to get your Story of the Week to us. You can also call, or send a text, but email seems to be the right medium for this. This week's Story of the Week comes from Mr. Joe Cronly. Joe writes in, "Hey, this story is secondhand, told to me by the late Mr. Kim Davis, high

• 32:23Jake Brennan?

  school friend of my former wife. He sadly died of a lifestyle-related disease. I have attempted to contact two of the other parties in the story for verification and have not heard back." Here goes. "In January 1977, Kim Davis was day drinking at an Atlanta strip club named Tattletale, which is still open. There was hardly anyone in the place, and a group of very loud, oddly dressed people came in. Kim ended up speaking with some of them, who were clearly British. Kim, y'all from England?" Guy, "Yes, we've never been to America. We've never really been anywhere. We just got here." Kim, "So what are you doing here?" Guy, "Well, we're in a band, and we're playing a show tonight." Kim, "Really? What's your band called?" Guy, "We're called the Sex Pistols." The band played their first US show at a venue called the Great Southeast Music Hall, which was

• 33:07Jake Brennan?

  in a strip center next to a bowling alley, and a Kmart just up the street from the Tattletale on Piedmont Avenue. And they were staying in a two-story motel called Squire Inn, more or less across the parking lot from the Tattletale. And they were killing time before the show at the nearest bar, and the girls there are still hot. Told to me by Kim. I wish I could verify it. If you know how to reach John Lydon or Steve Jones, I'd love to have it corroborated. Thanks, Joe, Atlanta." Joe, appreciate it. And you know, I often say the Story of the Week is to support the preservation of the rock and roll animal, the spirit of the rock and roll animal. And I gotta say, killing time at a strip club in the afternoon on tour for a rock and roll band is about as rock and roll as it gets.

• 33:49Jake Brennan?

  So, without the verification, I'm already believing this, just based on the details that you've provided here. But hey, if we get a Steve Jones, or John Lydon, and I've talked to John Lydon in the past, and I was actually pitched on having Glenn Matlock on the show a while back, and I just- I never followed up. I feel bad about that now that I think about it. But if I ever talk to a sex pistol, I'll be sure to bring up the tattletale. So thank you so much, Joe. Guys, hit me with your story of the week. Email, all right, [email protected] and you might get it right here on air. Appreciate it. And then, like I said, Joe, keep an eye on Instagram tomorrow. We'll have something up and we'll be name checking you and the tattletale. All right. If you want to help the show out, you can do so by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts and/or Spotify. As you know, the reviews help the show with discovery.

• 34:32Jake Brennan?

  And every week I read a review and if I read your review and you get in touch with me, we will send you some merch. So this one comes from Pure Sarah Sue. Pure Sarah Sue, show you how diplomatic I am. This is not a good review. Pure Sarah Sue writes in, "All the stories are about dudes. No bad girls allowed, I guess." Pure Sarah Sue is understandably upset about this. Pure Sarah Sue, I've said this before and I'll say it again. There just isn't all that much true crime from women in the world of music. We've covered a lot, as much as I think we can, and there's still more we can do. And I say this, I read this review on purpose today because I'm in the middle of researching the Go-Go's for a Go-Go's episode that'll be out in a couple of months.

• 35:15Jake Brennan?

  So Pure Sarah Sue, if you're listening, if you're still with us, get pumped. Get pumped for that Go-Go's episode. All right. And I think to all the women out there, it says something about you that you haven't behaved throughout the past in music history like as badly as men. I just, I think that's a positive. It may result in a less well-rounded podcast, but I think, you know, on, you know, on balance, for humanity's sake anyways, it's a good thing. Over on Spotify, Knackers, this isn't a review, but Knackers, I still want you to hit me up because I like how you're doing this over here on the comment section in Spotify. Knackers is answering the question of, we prompted from the Dennis Hopper episode, which is who is the most rock and roll?

• 35:59Jake Brennan?

  Actor from Hollywood and Nackers writes in Charlie Sheen and the discussion, you know, hard to argue with that one, hard to, hard to argue with that behavior. I don't even know if I, the only way you can argue that is to argue was that behavior even rock and roll or is it just so fricking over the top? We can't even categorize it. Charlie Sheen still alive. I think he's got a new series coming out or it's out or something. 617 906 6638 send a voicemail, leave me a text. You can leave a review for the show on Apple podcasts and or Spotify. We really appreciate it. This episode, guys, it's coming to an end, but the after party, it's going to continue for the all access members. Okay. Remember earlier I was talking about that Stevie Ray Vaughan episode? You might've heard me sneak in there that you also, in addition to getting that extra

• 36:42Jake Brennan?

  bonus episode per month, liked Stevie Ray Vaughan episode, you also get a little bit more of the bonus after party and that's about to start right now for our all access members. Five bucks a month, you also get commercial free listening. I can't forget that. I don't know, but if you ask me, that's a good way to spend $5. All right. I know we all don't have an extra five bucks sitting around, but if you do, go over to disgracampod.com/membership and sign up to become an all access member. We appreciate it.

• 37:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. We mentioned a couple of different archive episodes in this here bonus app. Talked obviously about David Johansson, so New York Dolls, talked about the Ramones, talked about you two. Who am I forgetting? I'm not sure, but for those three episodes, Matt's going to have the archive information, the episode information, excuse me, on these archive episodes in the show notes for this here bonus app. So if you guys want to find those, you'll be able to find them. All right, I want your story. Call me, I want you, I want your story of the week. Okay, text me, call me 617 906 6638 or text me, leave me a voicemail, hit me up at disgracampod. Give me your story of rock and roll animalism, either something you heard or something you experienced firsthand. And your story might be the story of the week. That is number one on our recap.

• 38:13Jake Brennan?

  Number two on our recap is right now in our feed, our episode on Dennis Hopper. Number three coming tomorrow, our rewind episodes on Tupac Shakur. And coming next Tuesday, our brand new episode on Thin Lizzy. Number four, merch winners get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do in that. Well, that's just a disgrace. All right. This week's episode subject, Dennis Hopper died on May 29th, 2010. And in honor of the man they called Hop, this is the Billboard Top 10 from the day he died. Number one, OMG Usher featuring Will I Am? Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, seven. Number two, California Girls, Katy Perry featuring Snoop Dogg.

• 38:57Jake Brennan?

  Last week, non-applicable. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, one. Number three, airplanes, BOB featuring Hayley Williams. Last week, five. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, five. Number four, Nothing on You, BOB featuring Bruno Mars. Last week, three. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 16. Number five, Break Your Heart, Tail Cruise featuring Chris. Last week, three. Peak position, one.

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  Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five night, adults only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027 to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind the scenes storytelling, exclusive meet and greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one of a

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