The Pivot on locker room bond, being good teammates, WNBA, Caleb Williams, Harrison Butker, Lebron & Bronny and checking on our loved ones

It's Friday and the guys are back as we Pivot our way through all the hot topics of sports and entertainment starting with our own storylines straight through the top headlines of recent. But as usual, you can expect honest, authentic conversation and that locker room type of talk as Ryan, Channing and Fred will always keep it 100 even on the tough topics and being on opposite sides of issues. In partnership with Fanatics, the guys sit down with another three-man show where they talk about recent controversial comments from an NFL veteran to the state of young players entering the NBA and WNBA and more. The guys may not agree with Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker’s recent comments during a graduation speech, but they discuss the football world’s responses to a fellow NFL player speaking their mind. Ryan talks about why he disagrees with the speech itself and they each give thier takes on what it is like being a teammate to players whose beliefs don’t align with their own, as Ryan talks specifically to Jason Kelce being a good teammate, fresh out of the locker room, trying to make light of the situation and the media world reacting to it in an unnecessary way. With all of the talk surrounding Bronny James as a prospect in the NBA Draft, Channing defends the use of nepotism for Bronny to get opportunities, but he and Ryan both touch on how he has to earn his spot in the league. This is similar to Caitlin Clark and the WNBA rookies proving their stardom, and the guys discuss the WNBA’s spotlight with the league’s heated competition so far this season. The NCAA’s new regulations allowing schools to put money directly into NIL for their athletes is a boost for Power-5 student athletes, but Ryan talks about why he thinks this should have already happened. Channing and Fred also touch on the importance of financial literacy for these athletes to succeed in the long run. Just like in the NFL, NBA or any professional league, The Pivot and their team is a family, and the guys finish the show talking about the importance of checking in on one another given the recent news about PGA golfer Grayson Murray’s death. New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET on YouTube, with audio available on all streaming platforms New York City, come meet us at Fanatics Fest NYC! We’ll be recording our podcast LIVE with some special guests, signing autographs, meeting fans, taking photos and more. We’re excited to be at FFNYC alongside some of the biggest names in sports such as Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Kevin Durant, Sabrina Ionescu, and more. FFNYC is happening August 16 –18, 2004 at the Javits Center. Tickets are on sale. Visit https://bit.ly/3yw2qAm to learn more and https://bit.ly/3R0f8hn to buy your tickets now!” GAMBLING PROBLEM? Call 1-800-GAMBLER(CO/IL/KS/KY/MD/MI/NC/NJ/OH/PA/TN/VA/VT/WV), (800)-327-5050 or gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Call (877)8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), or Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), (888) 789-7777 orccpg.org (CT), or 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), or 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), or www.mdgamblinghelp.org(MD), or morethanagame.nc.gov (NC), or1800gambler.net (WV) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Ryan Clark?

  Well, fellas, we in the old Fred T. sort of store, you know, here in Dallas at Central. You know what I mean, Freddie T? I don't know if you gonna make it down the stairs before you spend all your money.

• 1:11Fred Taylor?

  I already been talking to him. I'm trying to support, because I really appreciate them giving us the opportunity to chill out in the space. They say, "We gotta put a care pack together." That's cool, but I want to spend some money too, so...

• 1:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:22Fred Taylor?

  They got a lot I like.

• 1:23Ryan Clark?

  Oh, no doubt.

• 1:57Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the still-only, Emmy-nominated podcast, The Pivot. I'm Ryan Clark. This is Johnny Crowder. That's Fred Taylor. For those of you who don't know... As far as Channing was concerned, we had the Emmy until we didn't. Talk a little bit about your first Emmy experience, bro.

• 2:18Channing Crowder?

  I had my speech ready. I was going.

• 2:20Ryan Clark?

  But you weren't supposed to speak.

• 2:22Channing Crowder?

  Who?

• 2:23Ryan Clark?

  You, like, you know, so when you go to the Emmys, whoever is putting in your application, they say who will get an opportunity to speak.

• 2:34Channing Crowder?

  I was about to talk.

• 2:35Ryan Clark?

  So that's why you was trying to get to the stage first?

• 2:36Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, because they want to play all the music, bro. I was headed that way. I was gonna get me 10, 15 seconds in. I don't care who was gonna talk. I'm about to get it in. As soon as they put out a little, what was it? Edited?

• 2:48Ryan Clark?

  Edited series.

• 2:49Channing Crowder?

  Edited series. I was walking down with my finger in the, one finger in the air. I was walking down the stairs with a finger in there with my phone out. Then they said Real Sports will Brian go.

• 3:01Ryan Clark?

  Bro, first off, we in there with Real Sports. They're in Ukraine. They got bombs going off while they're doing their interviews. I mean, it was a little, it was a very difficult category also too in last year of Real Sports. But I thought the whole experience was dope, man, to be there with y'all and to have people who are in the business see our quote-unquote little show, you know, the way that they do. But Freddie T was the hit. Boy, the aunties went crazy in the comments.

• 3:35Ryan Clark?

  But Freddie T looked like old R&B.

• 3:39Channing Crowder?

  Freddie was, Freddie was clean. But it was cool, man, to sit there with SVP, talk to him. Sit there with all those guys, Ellie, you know, I love Mina. I love, like, to be in a room with all of those people.

• 3:49Ryan Clark?

  Her name's L.

• 3:51Channing Crowder?

  I call her Ellie.

• 3:52Fred Taylor?

  He been saying that for two weeks now, Ellie. Ellie Duncan. He said it all night that night.

• 3:57Channing Crowder?

  I was so excited to meet her. That's the first time I ever met her. But really, to be in a room like that, like you said, with our little show, you know how people try to diminish stuff? Got your little podcast. And be in a room like that, bro, that was amazing, man. I really enjoyed that. Down there, James, James Brown and all them, he, he got his, like, and really to be there with what we've put together ourselves, man, that was an honor, man. I really enjoyed it. But I had that one in the air until that one had to come on down. I had to walk back and sit my ass down.

• 4:24Fred Taylor?

  You should have seen, you saw him, right?

• 4:26Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 4:26Fred Taylor?

  You saw it. But nah, for me, I think, you know, just to see the rest of the team having an opportunity to enjoy everything, you know, Patrick, Matt, all of those guys, KK, you know, when we released the photos, people was like, I wouldn't imagine that was the little KK throwing rocks in Vegas.

• 4:43Channing Crowder?

  Why? Because KK had on the two purses.

• 4:45Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 4:46Channing Crowder?

  You see what I'm saying? KK was out there different.

• 4:48Fred Taylor?

  Nah, but to see them having an opportunity to just enjoy all of the hard works that they've done behind the scenes, I think that part was dope.

• 4:57Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, AZ, AZ doing what she does, you know, editing it. So it is edited series and that's what, that's her thing. Putting all the work in, doing that, man. Like, Alicia Zubikowsk is a bad motherfucker, man.

• 5:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, man, I had a speech prepared and that was going to be part of it. You only get 30 seconds, though, so you got to be really quick.

• 5:14Channing Crowder?

  I will get me 10.

• 5:15Ryan Clark?

  I would think from the standpoint of what this show is and the reason it's in that category is because we get to do the least. We get to show up, we get to prepare, we get to speak and be the faces of something that has ended up being so much bigger than I ever could have expected. But having all the people behind the scenes that had an opportunity to be there, would have had an opportunity to celebrate with us, talks about what team, team is. Speaking of team, right, people have had to be really good teammates in Kansas City. When Harrison Butker gave his commencement speech and then later two weeks at one of his charity events, you know, spoke about it. Again, now the teammates have had to talk about it. Obviously, if you're in Kansas City, you're going to go

• 6:00Ryan Clark?

  to Patrick Mahomes, who says, I judge him by the character he shows in this locker room. Andy Reid, who actually, as far as Andy Reid's demeanor is concerned, defended him vehemently in the media. Also Travis Kelsey to say, you know, there's a lot of things I don't agree with, but he's my teammate. Him move forward and it spilled over into Jason Kelce, who I thought handled it in a very Jason Kelce way. Like, he just made a joke. But also too, his wife Kylie had given a speech the week later and she tried to implore young women to be more than homemakers if they so choose. And all that fallout, Chan, I think people do miss what a locker room is, though.

• 6:44Channing Crowder?

  Mm-hmm. That's the thing, man. You get together in the locker room. You, Buck, he kicked, he kicked the ball well. He's a, he's a top kicker. There's great receivers, there's great quarterback, probably the best I've seen in my life. You come together and that's what you have to do, is come together with all your different things. I bring up Jay Feely, who's a friend of mine, and we're on different political sides of the entire spectrum. And Jay is very strong in his belief of politics. But we're on a team together, bro? Cool. You think that way, I disagree. We gotta go win this game. We gotta go work, we gotta get together. And that's where the thing, like the locker room environment, is where it's so beautiful.

• 7:26Channing Crowder?

  Because of the fact that color, race, politics, all that stuff. You gotta come together to have one goal of getting more points than them other people on the other side. And that's what it's about. Do we argue in the locker room? Yes. Do we disagree in the locker room? Yes. You know, I like arguing in the shower, because I'm a shower talker. Can we argue in the shower? About politics? Yes. But sooner or later, we about to get on this field and we got four hours to go out here and whoop they ass. And that's why the locker room environment, that's why people, I think our shows are part of it where we disagree on things, but it's still respect. Do I think what Buckler said was, it makes sense? No. My goddamn wife works her ass off.

• 8:11Channing Crowder?

  But do I see where he's coming from? Yes. Because that's how he was grown, that's how he came up, that's what he believes. So believe that, I'll disagree with it, and we can move forward.

• 8:21Fred Taylor?

  I think the whole locker room, you know, angle, I think that was cool until you talked about arguing in the shower. We're not arguing in the shower.

• 8:29Channing Crowder?

  You ain't talking in the shower?

• 8:30Fred Taylor?

  No, not arguing in the shower. Like, we shouldn't even have a conversation in the shower. Like, what's up, Chan? And we out, we could do that outside the shower.

• 8:38Channing Crowder?

  I actually really don't feel like you have to say what's up, because if we're in the shower after practice, I've seen you all day, we can actually just shower.

• 8:45Fred Taylor?

  Like, if it's like, man, you saw that play? Yeah, yeah, bro, yeah, boom, and we out of the shower, but we're not doing all of that.

• 8:50Channing Crowder?

  I see, you gotta pick up that tight end.

• 8:53Fred Taylor?

  But I, I think the, um, the locker room is, is a, one of the greatest, you know, common denominators just in life. You know, if you have an opportunity to experience the locker room and how it just brings everyone together in all walk, walks of life, in different sports, um, I think it's such, just a beautiful thing. I think as it relates to, to Harrison, you know, um... His comments are his comments. That's his faith, that's his beliefs. And if he wasn't a Super Bowl winning punter, then I don't think it would be as big of a deal. The media, a lot of times, like to gaslight. They like to put more attention on specific, you know, talks or speeches. And in that particular moment, I don't know if it was the greatest place for him

• 9:38Fred Taylor?

  to say those things, but that's his beliefs. That's his faith. And when we start questioning our faith and belief, then that's when we are lost as a person, right? So the ones who could take it, take it. If it didn't pertain to you, learn how to just get that out of your system. And I think that's what I'm good at. I know how to trim the fat. And I wish more people were able to do that. I know when to mind my business. I know when something's for me and when it's not. And if it wasn't for you, then that's that. Go live your life. That's his faith, that's his belief. If this is how he runs his household, that's what he thinks, then that's his household. If his wife missed out on her career opportunity

• 10:22Fred Taylor?

  and she's taking care of the family and she's doing a damn good job at that, that's a win-win for them. Much like it should be for anyone else that believes that way. Because some people don't want their wives to work. They want their wives to be the best homemaker, housewife, or whatever it might be. And that's fine. That might be her career to make sure these kids are good in this crazy-ass world. And again, I'm so, I try to be so level-headed and open-minded just to respect other people's space. I respect Harrison's point of view on certain things. Much like Kelsey said, I don't agree with all of it. Some of it I might do. You know what I'm saying? Because I come up old school. I have certain beliefs.

• 11:05Fred Taylor?

  But I am grown enough and open-minded enough to know that if this is your way of life, this is what you want, please live it up to the best of your ability. And that's it for me.

• 11:16Channing Crowder?

  I always thought, I really always thought I was going to be the breadwinner and my wife is going to be a stay-at-home mother. She was going to be a homemaker. That's what I thought. Growing up, I thought that. When I met Asia, Asia was like, no, I got degrees. I'm about to go use these degrees and earn bread.

• 11:34Channing Crowder?

  And I was like, okay, cool. So I adjusted my thoughts. So I wasn't like Harrison, that his thing was you gotta be there. No, you ain't gotta be there. I always thought that my wife was gonna raise the kids and I was gonna bring the, what? Bring home the bacon. And Asia adjusted my thoughts. She was like, no, I like this. I like that. I wanna grind here, grind there. I was like, okay, so shit.

• 11:54Ryan Clark?

  Because Asia gets a choice on who she wants to be.

• 11:57Channing Crowder?

  You can grind together. So you gonna grind? Let's grind.

• 12:01Ryan Clark?

  That's the, that's the, that's the point. Um, I think looking at it from Jason Kelce's perspective, who had to sort of come out and clarify the way he and his wife run the house. He was in a difficult position. Like Jason's just off of being a part of the brotherhood. The brotherhood of the NFL and the locker room. He's actually on a show with his real life brother who's teammates with Harrison Butker. So he handled it in a way like that he handles it. Like he used a joke and comedy to sort of move through and move on, which I think we need sometimes in society. We need to be able to laugh about things. But then there's the people who were, I guess, insulted or who did feel a way about what Harrison Butker says.

• 12:44Ryan Clark?

  And they want someone in his line or field of work to be able to say what it was. It was a conservative, politically driven speech that was costumed in a cap and gown and a tassel. It was Harrison Butker using or Harrison Butker's discriminations, Harrison Butker's prejudices, his uh, sort of misogyny wrapped up in masculinity, Catholicism and Christianity. Because he starts out mostly talking about regulations and policies.

• 13:25Ryan Clark?

  What does that have to do with graduation? What does that have to do with Christianity? When we're talking about the way the country is ran, he talks about. The things that happened during covid and then for most of the speech, he just attacks the leaders of the Catholic Church. But he does talk about the seven deadly sins and he says, not the pride that are part of the deadly sins that we dedicate a month to. That's actually not the pride that they were talking about in Proverbs. They weren't talking about that. They were talking about the pride that took over the devil and admonished him from heaven. You know, and I think we use the Bible in the ways that we want to use the Bible.

• 14:09Ryan Clark?

  Whatever happened to, in the beginning, God created man and man was good and he created God in his image and likeness. That means all of us should be allowed to be who we are. And our job is to find the Christ in those people. Because they were created in his image and our job is also to show them the Christ in us. And now I fall short of this all the time as a father, as a husband, as a Christian, as a man. But that's what the job is. That's what we are called to do. And now when you look at his comments about women, he said they were told a diabolical lie, which means it is wrong to be anything else but the truth. And he feels like his wife Isabel is the truth.

• 14:51Ryan Clark?

  Because she met a guy that would go on to kick on a team with the greatest, one of the greatest coaches of all time, the best quarterback we've ever seen. So when he misses extra points and he misses PATs, as long as he makes the kick, after Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Andy Reid get them in field goal range to win a Super Bowl, he gets a job. By getting that job, he gets paid a certain amount of money that allows that woman who met her husband in middle school in a band class to stay at home. That's her choice. But the sort of politically driven rhetoric he spewed is the same one that won't allow a woman the choice over her body, but yet won't punish men more harshly for what they do to those bodies to put them in those positions. See, God also says that we can do all things through Christ that strengthens us.

• 15:35Ryan Clark?

  Says in Philippians 4 and 13, which means me, you, you and women. And so if a woman decides that she wants to be a CEO, if a woman decides that she wants to be a homemaker, she gets to do that and she gets to tell us where she finds her work and it's our job to support her in that. And so I think in the end, I disagree with a ton of it, but I understand what you do from a locker room perspective. Because from a locker room perspective, you say Harrison Butker ain't the worst I've seen in the locker room. But you also say you wish people could stand up and say, I disagree with the sentiment, I disagree with the action, I disagree with the opinion, but that's my teammate and we gotta go win the game. We should be able to say we disagree with domestic abuse. We should be able to say we disagree with sexual assault and not insult anybody because those things are wrong.

• 16:20Ryan Clark?

  But if this man is in my locker room, I'm gonna go out and try to win a football game with him. And that's where we are. And so for Jason Kelce, what he's shown me is he's a good teammate. He was a good teammate to his brother who he's on the show with. He's a good teammate in the locker room. But in the end, he had to be a great teammate to his wife, which I think is the point Harrison Butker was trying to make. But my thing is this, for women, for the women who are listening to that who can't have babies, for the women who are listening to that who didn't meet their husband in middle school, for the women who are listening to that who feel like they just want to be who God has created them to be, much like the LGBTQ plus community that he also took aim at.

• 17:03Ryan Clark?

  Also too, diversity, equity, inclusion, that has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. There are a ton of people who believe the exact same thing that Harrison Butker believes. But what I believe is God put us here to show the Christ in us and see the Christ in other people. And in whatever way people feel like they get an opportunity to show that, we should let them.

• 17:21Channing Crowder?

  I was in the locker room with Harrison. My question to him would be, what about the single mothers? Like my mom, like Pauline Pope. They had three kids. My mother and father divorced, we moved to Atlanta, we living in Decatur. What's she supposed to do, Harrison? Like, what do you, what do you want her to do? Because now she has to support three children. I know she gets child support, but that's not going to be enough to raise kids. That's emotionally, mentally, educationally, to really infuse in us what life is like. That's what I would ask Harrison. And that's what locker rooms do.

• 17:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 17:58Channing Crowder?

  I would say, well, I've gone to guys, different political sides, different, different thought processes, different upbringings, and I pull them to the side. And we ain't got to fight. We don't got to, we don't got to get all upset. We could sit down, eat lunch, and I'd be like, Harrison, man. So what do you, like, my mom, as a single mother of three, do you, how do you look at her? Because she's really working and grinding, your grandmother, really working and grinding to raise these kids. That would be my question to, to that, to your point, RC, to that, that sect, that thought process of society. What, when it, when it's not perfect, what are we supposed to do? When it's not exactly the, the nuclear, you know, saying that nuclear family that we know? What, what are we supposed to do now?

• 18:43Channing Crowder?

  We're going to grind to figure it out.

• 18:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think the other piece of it is too, though, like, it's okay if that's the woman's choice. If it's my choice to not have children, if it's my choice to not be married, whatever those choices is, I think we have to be in a place where we allow people the space to make those choices. And we don't get to pick for them. As the same way, I think he's entitled to that opinion, he's entitled to the freedom of religion, he's entitled to the freedom of speech. People are entitled to disagree. And they can disagree loudly, or they can disagree by, or they can agree with him and support him by buying his jersey. Like, that's just what, what it is. I think, you know, but it just talks about how leadership, how being in the same locker room connects you to people.

• 19:29Ryan Clark?

  But I think that connection could be good as well when you look at somebody like Bronny James. The conversation now is, is Bronny James being treated differently because he's LeBron James' son? Is he seen in a different light? Is it putting him in places that he wouldn't be if he didn't have that association?

• 19:49Fred Taylor?

  I think nepotism is okay. You know, it's as old as old and people have taken advantage of relationships. People have leveraged their name for years and when it happens to black people, you know, the conversation increases, right? I think it's okay. Bronny, he wants to separate himself from his dad and be his own person. And I love the fact that he wants to go in that direction. But I think overall, just let the kid go work and whatever happened, however the chips fall, you know, I think he'll be.

• 20:28Ryan Clark?

  But here's my question though, Freddie T. When you say let the kid go work, how, what do you mean by that?

• 20:36Fred Taylor?

  His dream is to one day make it to the NBA. He's doing these tryouts, these workouts. He made a decision, whether it was his decision or his, you know, father, agent, or whomever decision, the decision was made to go forward, you know, and test my talents against the best or supposedly the best that are gonna be up in his next draft class. From what we've seen, his workouts have been outstanding. I don't know how well he's done in the actual gameplay in terms of against the other guys, but his workouts have been good. Those are the reports that I've seen. So when I say let him go play, let him go work. Let him go and show what he has. And then however the chips fall, wherever he's drafted, that's that.

• 21:20Fred Taylor?

  I know Rich said that there won't be a, was it a two-way contract? And that's okay too. What he's saying is, my players, we're gonna go strictly off talent. Whatever he does, if he makes it, fine. If he doesn't, that's fine. But we believe in our guy and we're gonna try to leverage what we know about this business and make sure we put Bronny in position to be successful. And if he doesn't make a roster, I think they're okay with that.

• 21:48Ryan Clark?

  Bronny gonna get him a job easier than another player coming out of USC. Cause he's LeBron James' son. His name is Bronny.

• 21:57Channing Crowder?

  They call him Bronny. LeBron and Bron, those are, it's not James, it's not Chris. We know why he's there, we know what he do. What he have, what was he, five, four and three? Something like that, like his numbers aren't great. He's gonna get every opportunity. I'm not arguing with it, cuz I'm with you. I love the nepotism because it happens in the world, but not a lot for black people. So I love the nepotism of it. If Bron, if LeBron can get Bronny drafted because he's LeBron's son, bro, I love it. I love it. To your point, now Bronny gotta go play basketball against the best in the world. Now Bronny gotta go guard Ant Edwards. You know what I'm saying? Now Bronny gotta do his thing. But just to get your foot in the door, it's been happening for,

• 22:41Channing Crowder?

  I would say, non-black people. Forever. So Bronny gets his foot in the door because I'm LeBron's son, and now you have to go perform. And if you don't do your thing, they gonna cut your ass and they're gonna say, you're not good enough to play in this league. But I love that he can have that best foot forward because his dad's LeBron James. I've watched Bronny play, I've watched him play basketball. He's decent, but he's not a monster. He's not his daddy. But Jordan's sons didn't make it. Scottie Pippen, he had a son try to play basketball.

• 23:10Fred Taylor?

  He's in the league. Yeah, he's in the league.

• 23:11Channing Crowder?

  You see what I'm saying? But he's not Scottie. Yeah. He's, he got in the door. So get him in the door and see what he can do. You're gonna figure out who you are when, when the lights turn on and when they blow that whistle. But that's what it's gonna do. But if Bronny has a, a foot up because my name is Bronny James, let him get in there and see what they gotta do. I love it.

• 23:30Fred Taylor?

  Now, I just wanna add to that. I think nepotism is, has definitely opened the door for him. And the fact that he is a, a, um, offspring of one of the greatest players that have ever played the game. Potential, you know how much potential carry guys in sport? He can potentially be a pretty decent player. As long as he can insert himself somewhere at, you know, mid-level player. And, and we've seen guys that are playing the G League, all these other leagues. Like, there are a lot of players in the NBA that aren't great. He doesn't have to be great, he doesn't have to be his dad. He has to fulfill his dream. And I think that's the direction that they're trying to go.

• 24:08Channing Crowder?

  I mean, move the arm. How many times has being who you are helped your children?

• 24:14Ryan Clark?

  Often.

• 24:15Fred Taylor?

  You want to leverage that.

• 24:16Channing Crowder?

  And what's wrong with that though?

• 24:18Fred Taylor?

  You also want your kids to know that they have to work hard as well.

• 24:21Ryan Clark?

  Honestly, like, we're just talking about the perception of the way that people see Bronny James. I don't know if we're actually saying it's wrong that being Bronny James has helped him, or that people are saying that it's wrong. You know, Rich Paul spoke to the nepotism that you see in the NBA already. When you think about organizations, you look at a guy like James Dolan, who was called out by name by Rich Paul. You know, we've seen though Austin Rivers play basketball. Austin Rivers is one of the best high school players in the country, if not the best, when he came out. Austin Rivers played amazing at Duke in his one year. Austin Rivers earned his way there. And no one said those things about Austin Rivers, because people saw Austin Rivers as that player. We've seen Scottie Pippen's son work his way onto a roster.

• 25:06Ryan Clark?

  No one's saying that Scottie Pippen's son is being helped, because when you put Scottie Pippen's son's film on, you say, okay, this is a guy that deserves the opportunity. Like, let's be honest about Bronny. And I respect everything about LeBron James and the way Bronny James is working. You don't get to be ranked 20th to 26th coming out of high school, right? Have an actual cardiac arrest, average 4.2 and 2, and go to the combine. Somebody named Fred Taylor Jr., Channing Crowder Jr., Ryan Clark Jr. would not be afforded that opportunity. He would not be spoken about in the way Bronny James is, good or bad, because his father is not LeBron. That's the reason he is getting the opportunities that he has,

• 25:50Ryan Clark?

  because of his connection, connection to his father, connection to the most powerful agent in basketball because of his father. Now, he does have to go out and perform. But when you look at who he truly is, who he truly was as a hooper, yes, he's 100% elevated by being LeBron James's son. And it doesn't mean that he will end up being a good basketball player. But... This is the way life works. This is the reason you don't have to ask for a table when you walk up to a restaurant in Miami. This is the reason that Bill Belichick's sons have jobs in the league. Or a guy like Sean McVay, whose father knew another GM,

• 26:33Ryan Clark?

  or whose grandfather knew another GM and had these connections, can get him in the door as an intern. I think it was, he was a quality control guy, whether, I think it was Green Bay or San Francisco, but it was part of that tree. Like, that's the way life works. It doesn't happen for us all the time. It doesn't happen in our lines of work. And so when it happens in our lines of work, the worst part about it is, it's our people who have the loudest microphone against something that has been working against us our entire existence in this country. And so to me, it's time for LeBron James and Bronny James to just put up or shut up. Right? Bronny James, you go play ball, you can earn yourself a roster spot, and I don't think anything is wrong with getting a leg up because of what your last name is.

• 27:17Channing Crowder?

  And it's gonna come down to his ability. Sooner or later, getting a dog, not getting a dog, whatever happens, you gotta go out there and play against. Can he guard the best? Can he score on the best? And that's what, that's what I love about sports. Is that, to hell with it. Sooner or later, you gotta line up against somebody that's a dog, and you gotta be a dog.

• 27:36Fred Taylor?

  I guess it brought this to my mind. Do you think those players will be equally as salty, the male players, equally as salty towards Bronny as the women players seem to be towards Klay?

• 27:47Channing Crowder?

  I would be. If I was a young player, I would be, I, I ain't gonna lie. I would feel funny about Bronny. If I'm, if I'm an All-American, but every time I turn on ESPN, they're showing your workouts, and I'm one of the best in the world, I'm gonna go in trying to embarrass you, because I would feel salty. And it seems like the WNBA players are feeling a certain way about Klay.

• 28:08Ryan Clark?

  Oh, I, I 100% disagree that the WNBA players are salty with Klay Thompson.

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• 29:15Ryan Clark?

  I'm 100% disagree.

• 29:16Channing Crowder?

  Have you seen the pics they sent to that girl?

• 29:17Ryan Clark?

  And so let me, let me say this, right? It's not just Katelyn Clark to me. I believe it's this entire class of WNBA draftees led by Katelyn Clark. When you look at the way Angel Reese has improved views of the Chicago Sky, it's this, what's happening in WNBA is what happened when Magic and Bird went to the NBA. The NBA was on time delay at that point. You had this dude from French League, you had this dude from Michigan that played in the epic NCAA tournament that now were drafted by the two most storied franchises in the NBA, and they put up, they showed out. Magic Johnson won his rookie year, and so you have all these things happen, and now

• 30:00Ryan Clark?

  the NBA uses those two to build, and then they get to Michael Jordan. That's what the WNBA is doing right now. But I don't like the fact that because women are playing hard, we're calling it salty, or petty, or messy. Because when Michael Jordan started becoming Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan was getting clotheslined, because that's the competitive nature of an athlete. Because the same way when we were in high school, and we knew that they had a dude on the other team who was a four-star or five-star, well, we were too old for that, but whatever they were, it was my job when I played Reggie Wayne. I know if I go out and Reggie Wayne don't catch a ball... That the Miamis and the LSUs and all these people are gonna see me because of how they see Reggie Wayne.

• 30:39Ryan Clark?

  So to me, I would have to think that the women in the NBA are happy that now things have elevated around the visibility of the game, which these young women have allowed them to have. But hell yeah, I'ma play defense. Hell yeah, I'ma set picks. Hell yeah, I'ma go at the head. That's what you're supposed to do because that's what competitors do. And also the other piece of making this a black and a white thing. The one thing I look, when I look at the women's game, they bond on being women. Purple, green, brown, black, whatever they are, they bond on that. They bond on the fact that we want to improve this game, we want to improve our circumstances, and these young ladies can help us do it, but they gotta earn it. It's the same way in our sport. And so I think the thing that everybody should be happy about is,

• 31:25Ryan Clark?

  last year, two years ago, we probably ain't talking about WNBA on the pivot. And the sort of conversations that are being had about the women's game now, whether good or bad, is positive, and it's a large part to those young ladies that were drafted this year.

• 31:39Channing Crowder?

  Oh yeah, and I'm with you, because Angel Reese just got suplexed. In a minute, I saw her get dumped twice by another lady.

• 31:46Ryan Clark?

  Alyssa Thompson.

• 31:47Channing Crowder?

  Alyssa Thompson.

• 31:47Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 31:48Channing Crowder?

  Dumped her. Back leg, grabbed her, slammed on her, and all that stuff. You gotta prove you belong here, but you have to. So to the Bronny conversation, coming back to Katelyn and Angel and all them, you got to prove to me as a veteran that you belong to be here. The media can't make you a star. You have to earn your stardom on the court. And that's what I'm saying. So, not saying it's jealousy or anything like that. It's, I gotta test you. When you get them young, them young first-round picks coming to the league, you know how it was, you just brought it up. Like you line up against Moss, Andre Johnson, Freddie T. in the backfield. I gotta prove that I can tackle Fred. I gotta prove that Ryan's not about to break my ribs across the middle when I get in the league.

• 32:33Channing Crowder?

  So, not jealousy from it, fellas, but I think that the veterans in this league, the top dogs, the top women that are playing right now. You have to prove to me that you're worth all this hoopla. Because the WNBA hasn't had a lot of hoopla. It hadn't had a lot of visibility until these young girls come in. So Katelyn and Angel and this class is bringing a lot of visibility to the league. But the ladies that have been grinding for years in this, you gotta show me you belong here. And that's part of the game. That's what it's supposed to be, though.

• 33:11Fred Taylor?

  It should always be like that, especially when they come with that sort of attention. They're like, alright, I can't wait to get a piece of you. I'm ready to test you. But you also have some of these women that believe they were equally as good or better when they came out. Well, the timing that they came out, like, social media didn't exist. All these other different outlets did not exist. So they weren't able to bring that sort of fandom along with them. The Katelyn effect, that shit's real. Angel Reese, what she's doing, that shit's real. And because of that attention, those two have had the most media attention on them. I think they probably are the two players with the biggest targets on their back in this rookie class. And those vets want a piece of that.

• 33:56Fred Taylor?

  The vets, certainly in my opinion, sounded a bit salty, even in some of their comments. Even if they aren't salty, I believe that they understand I would have liked to have this same sort of attention follow me. Because I believe I'm better than you.

• 34:11Channing Crowder?

  Lisa Leslie, Candace Parker, Maya Moore, we can go Diana Taurasi, we can go down the list. Right now, Asia Wilson, bro, she the baddest thing dribbling the ball right now in the WNBA. But she does not have the attention that Katelyn and Angel.

• 34:26Fred Taylor?

  And she won't say anything. She know what she brings to the table. If you like, you know you that person, like, you don't always have to say something. You're just gonna show up and you're gonna bust out. You're gonna ball out. And that's, a lot of times, that's all it takes. But you have other people that, when they know they have great ability, then they make these little side remarks and comments. That's what I mean by salty. Like, there's a little bit of animosity.

• 34:51Channing Crowder?

  What I don't like, though...

• 34:53Fred Taylor?

  If it's not salty, it's a little animosity in the whole approach and how the media has presented these particular players. And I think that's okay. It's okay, but, I mean...

• 35:04Channing Crowder?

  The problem is this, though. Right. So the problem is this. People looked at what Diana Taurasi said about Katelyn Clark during the tournament as hate.

• 35:13Ryan Clark?

  Right, as animosity, but it wasn't. Diana Taurasi, who's one of the greatest basketball players that's ever lived, one of the greatest women hoopers that we've ever seen, said, "It's gonna be an adjustment period. She won't do the exact same things right away in the NBA." Well, that's true! Because what Katelyn Clark was doing in college was historic. She's not putting up the same number. She's having more difficulty, she's turning the ball over. When you looked at Diana Taurasi's comments, and everyone got on her because they said it would be an adjustment period for Katelyn Clark. She was speaking from the experience and wisdom that we speak of when we are talking about football. And she's saying, "Yeah, just like LeBron James, just like Michael Jordan,

• 35:58Ryan Clark?

  who end up being all-time greats, even though they were good as rookies, they had to grow." So, yes, she's gonna hit picks that are harder than what she ever saw in college. Yes, she's gonna turn the football over and lose basketball games. Yes, she's not gonna shoot as high a percentage. She's gonna have an adjustment period. And people took that as hate and animosity when it was just Diana Taurasi's truth that we should listen to. And then the other piece of it is too, it's like, I love the way that Angel Reese and Katelyn Clark are approaching this, because they're the two people that aren't complaining. They're the two people that are just going out and playing. And whether it's LeBron James, who feels the need to defend Katelyn Clark, I don't think he has to. Whether it's Charles Barkley, who feels the need to defend Katelyn Clark, I don't think that he has to.

• 36:43Ryan Clark?

  Because when you listen to her, when you listen to Cameron Brink, when you listen to Angel Reese, who says, "I'm a rookie, that's what they're supposed to do." These young women understand the sport. These young women understand that it's competitive. And they're actually competing at a high level. They're getting better every single week. And if anybody needs to look at... What is the overwhelming feeling of Katelyn Clark? Remember this, Katelyn Clark put more butts in seats in the Staples Center in one appearance than LeBron James did the entire 2023-24 season. Like, that's her effect. That's how people really feel about her. It ain't about black and white. It ain't about vetting rookie.

• 37:27Ryan Clark?

  It's about that she's an absolute superstar. And anytime you play against a superstar, you want to go make your name. Whether they got it, whether you feel the way they got it is correct or not. And so like, I just hate the entire narrative that's being spun around it all.

• 37:43Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, man, stop coddling people, man. These are top athletes. Katelyn Clark, she just got a $20 million deal from Nike, ain't it?

• 37:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 37:51Channing Crowder?

  She got 20 mil? She got a bigger shoe deal than top players in the world? Let her live her life and let her figure out how to play ball. Why do we act, why, why is, why do we treat WNBA so different than we treat NBA? We never say, oh, the young guy comes in NBA. Oh, why are, why are they setting hard picks on him? Why are they throwing it? Because the OGs want to do it. The women are just as athletic and just as good and just as dynamic. Whatever you want to say, all the words and the adjectives we use for the men, they right there. Katelyn gonna get her ass whooped by some OGs. Angel gonna get her ass whooped by some OGs. And they gotta earn their place and let them earn their place. They making good money, they professionals now.

• 38:36Channing Crowder?

  Why do we treat the women so different than we treat the men? I don't get it.

• 38:39Fred Taylor?

  I'm with you. I think she's, I think that adjustment window has shrunk. She just went off of 30 a couple nights ago.

• 38:45Channing Crowder?

  And they both gonna ball.

• 38:46Fred Taylor?

  So I, I believe she's finding her way. But I think overall, it is great for the WNBA. I think eventually the, the, those women will have an increased pay scale, which they will all at some point applaud whatever, you know, movement, TikToks or whatever that helped them increase that. And I think they all deserve it because they all work, as you just mentioned, equally as hard as the men, much like the college athletes who are able to get paid now by the NCAA and that they're going to be able to take $20 million a year and give it to each D1 program. Damn, we, we, we a little old, huh?

• 39:22Channing Crowder?

  I need a check. We can't get no check?

• 39:24Fred Taylor?

  Nah.

• 39:24Channing Crowder?

  We aged out?

• 39:25Fred Taylor?

  We missed that window. I think it's 2014.

• 39:28Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 39:29Fred Taylor?

  It started off as 2014.

• 39:30Ryan Clark?

  I think it was always headed this way. I think when you look at Mark Emmert and his unwillingness to be involved in progress, his unwillingness to, instead of being reactive, be proactive in where he saw the game needed to go, not where the game was going. When you looked at the disparity between what these universities make, what their coaches make, how they could have the ability to move and influence their careers and lives in any way that they want to, and the players didn't have that. And so you could feel this growing. NIL was sort of the Wild, Wild West. It had no rules. It had no regulations. I think this

• 40:11Ryan Clark?

  is their way of trying to say, okay, we can at least put this in some sort of box where we have a direction. The player should have always been played. Deontay Thompson is a kid I trained, and he said, nah, coach, when I go home, I didn't got picks against Louisville. I didn't risk my body. I want the same stake you got. I ain't supposed to be eating oodles and noodles. But, you know, he's from Orange, Texas, but like, that is the truth. Yeah. What these young men were doing for these universities, when you look at people like the Fab Five, you think of Reggie Bush, who just got his Heisman Trophy back, especially the football program, starting with it, that's how most of these universities run. That's

• 40:54Ryan Clark?

  how most of these athletic organizations and systems and sports can pay their coaches because of what they're able to generate. And so I do believe that this was a long time coming. Now, to me, it's about who helps the player. Once you make it to where the players can be paid in that manner, there needs to be a body of people, there needs to be some board that are going to advocate for the players, that are going to say, at the minimum, players should be getting this. At the minimum, players should be treated this way. Is this going to move players into have to sign certain contracts that says, okay, I'm going to play in every bowl game. I'm going to play throughout, or I will not transfer. And so I do believe that now that they put it up on the universities to pay

• 41:38Ryan Clark?

  players, players would be treated like employees. Right. So they're going to need somebody who has their best intentions to speak for them, to stand out front for them, because I believe this is going to be the NCAA's.

• 41:51Channing Crowder?

  And the university's way of taking back power. Kind of include this in the way we see CBA negotiations. How do I regain as much power as I possibly can? Because I've lost it in one way and I believe this is it. So I do believe that players need to be careful. Players' families need to be careful. Because this could be a slippery slope into colleges and universities saying, you get money now, I could put you back in that chokehold I used to have you in.

• 42:19Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I agree with you 1,000% RC on all of it. And I don't know if it's limited to, you know, power, power five schools.

• 42:26Channing Crowder?

  It's power five.

• 42:27Fred Taylor?

  Power five only. I would love to see the entire, you know, inside of that deal and the language. But I think even more importantly than being paid, a lot of players, they leave with these lifelong injuries. They sustain injuries that are going to affect them their entire lives. Whether they make it to the next level or not, because let's be honest, only a small percentage of guys make it to that next level. So for the guys that don't, what do they do when they leave college sports? I know guys that left college that still are suffering from injuries from when I was in college in 1994. A lot of my friends, they developed spinal injuries and all these other medical. That's the part that I want to see if they're including medical benefits

• 43:12Fred Taylor?

  for these players within that compensation package. So I'm just looking forward to actually reading the language and what's inside. You know, how does that entire compensation package look?

• 43:26Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, it'll be, as I read it now and as like you're saying to get into it, I think they should put it in a fund for them. I think that once you start getting, you know, saying, whatever those numbers are, you get those numbers up, you put it in the fund and they can, you know, try to teach them how to have money. Because if you gave me, I don't know what the number, let's say 20 racks.

• 43:46Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 43:46Channing Crowder?

  30 racks, 40 racks a year. You give me 40 racks when I was 18 years old, I'm about to be at Palace in Gainesville popping bottles and throwing money. Because I, my mind wasn't ready to have that type of money. So you put it in the fund and now you can teach them how money grows. You could teach them how to invest and different things like that. But that's what they have to do for that. But I also want NIL to continue because this is for everybody. As I read it, the starting quarterback, the All-American quarterback at Florida is making the same amount as the backup water polo player. I want the kids to understand how life is and how if you ball out, you gonna make more money too.

• 44:27Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 44:27Channing Crowder?

  So the NIL should continue. If you a monster, you gonna be a monster. You gonna make more money than the backup guard. The starting quarterback's making more money than the eighth best offensive lineman on the team. And that's how real life is too. So I want NIL to stay there as a part of this compensation package from NCAA too.

• 44:45Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I mean, but NIL, you know, minus the collectives. I think all collectives should be dismantled. For what? I mean, the collectives, because some schools can raise more money than other schools. But if you turn around here, if you come here and you say, everybody's gonna have a shot to get paid. All these schools are gonna get a $20 million compensation package. Now they have to operate from within that. Well, that's recruiting and playing the players that are actually on the roster right now. The collectives, Florida probably can raise 20 million. Where LSU can raise 50 million. That's, that's not necessarily leveling off the playing field. Because now I can go and recruit better and more players because I have a stronger collective. You know what I'm saying?

• 45:30Fred Taylor?

  So I think the collective should be dismantled as part of it. And this is just me wishfully thinking for conversation piece. But to add on what you were saying, I truly believe, and I've always said this, our governor down in Florida, I believe he made it mandatory for graduation from public high schools in Florida. The criteria is you have to pass a financial literacy course. I believe that's what should come along with this compensation package.

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• 47:01Fred Taylor?

  You said these players should be taught how to use their money. Financial literacy is key. It's going to help them in the long run. Even what Draymond said the other day about players, it's not set up for players to sustain or have wealth after they're done. I disagree with that comment because you make so much money. It's about learning. It's about financial literacy, understanding what to do with that money, how to invest it, so you can create these nest eggs. So I would like to see that being added to the pay scale for schools.

• 47:36Ryan Clark?

  Damn Freddie T, boy. He gonna talk to you about some financial literacy. My, hey, my dog can't count, can't break up a hundred the right way, but he gonna, he gonna tell you.

• 47:48Fred Taylor?

  Come on, bro. Y'all know that was a slippage of the tongue. How long y'all gonna punish me for?

• 47:52Ryan Clark?

  He gonna tell y'all my number.

• 47:54Fred Taylor?

  Hey, but I was trying to say give more than 100% into that.

• 47:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, but, you know, back to money. Fellas, I just want to put this out there. I'm the newest to betting. So far, only one of us are two for two on our Fanatics Sportsbook parlay. You hitting them in the head, honestly? I'm leading people to the Fanatics Sportsbook Promise Land, and y'all boys over here hindering their opportunity. Man, I ain't know Kyrie wasn't gonna do nothing. To make some hay, but, you know, some of the football stuff is starting to come out. And, you know, there's a team that we may see on one of the longest-running sports programs in the world, in training camp, whose quarterback is Caleb Williams.

• 48:43Ryan Clark?

  And they say Caleb has sort of been struggling in OTAs, but they have him at eight and a half games. They also have Anthony Richardson at eight and a half games. Looking at both of those two. Who do you think can win more than eight and a half?

• 49:00Channing Crowder?

  I think Ant, not even being a Gator homer, I think Ant and Steichen, because he's smart with it. I think Ant and Steichen can win eight and a half. I'll go over eight and a half for the Colts.

• 49:11Fred Taylor?

  Man, that's tough. I think I can agree with you on that. I like the Colts go over eight and a half.

• 49:17Channing Crowder?

  Under on the Bears.

• 49:18Ryan Clark?

  The thing is this, though, Ryan Poles has put Caleb Williams in position to succeed. D.J. Moore, Keenan Allen, Deandre Swift, Cole Komet. I mean, you go out and you draft Rome, one of our favorite players. I think Chicago has an opportunity to win a ton of games this year. The schedule was set up for them to win a ton of games. And Caleb is going to struggle early because he wants to see what he can do. And I believe moving forward, he'll understand, okay, I got to pull back here. I can throw this, I can do that, not do this. I believe that he's going to be really good this year. And if I'm somebody who has followed what we've been doing with Fanatics Sportsbook parlays, I'm gonna go with R.C. Because right now, R.C. is undefeated. And all they got to do is go out, download the app.

• 50:04Ryan Clark?

  And they can be a part of R.C.'s greatness, too.

• 50:06Channing Crowder?

  Only Super Bowl winner, too.

• 50:10Fred Taylor?

  Didn't someone say the Bears were plus 4,000 on the Fanatics Sportsbook to win the Super Bowl? See, like, that's something I can put $10 on. I ain't gonna lose sleep over it. And if I hit?

• 50:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, that'd be dope, but I'm not doing it. I'm gonna bet those. I would definitely use my $10 in a more positive way on a team that's much different than that one.

• 50:34Fred Taylor?

  When we get back to Jersey, I'll put $10 on your sportsbook app for you.

• 50:39Ryan Clark?

  I appreciate you. Yeah, I got Michael Rubin money now.

• 50:41Channing Crowder?

  I'll be on the Fanatics app all the time, so I'm gonna let you see my history.

• 50:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I do want to see your history, ever.

• 50:58Ryan Clark?

  But to finish, though, man, Grayson Murray, PGA.

• 51:03Ryan Clark?

  Tour professional. He's had two PGA wins, took his life at the age of thirty. I don't know why, maybe it's because we have more information. It seems like we're hearing more and more and people are choosing to end their lives. For whatever reasons that may be, I can't understand, or I can't even begin to imagine the pain you have to be in to make that decision. We spoke to Drew. He took us through his ordeal of living through his suicide attempt. You know, I think you just say, check on your people, man.

• 51:38Channing Crowder?

  To get to that point.

• 51:41Channing Crowder?

  As some venture, you should have someone to like talk to. And to your point, man, check on people because you don't know if you're that person to others. You don't know, we've talked in the past, we've talked a number of times about, you know, I even said it like the funny guy. Still ask him, is he doing okay, like ask your people, you doing okay, because to get to that point, we spoke on, I spoke on Junior Sayow. I spoke on Vontae Davis. Guys that I've lost, that I wish I could have, you know, I wish I would have asked him, so. It's a, it's a tough place. Being a part of it, but really, man, ask people they doing okay, ask people is, are you good? And also, if you have, if you have, if something's going on inside you, man, get help.

• 52:27Channing Crowder?

  Get help, talk to people, talk to someone, ask for something, ask for anything, man, don't be, don't be so. I don't know, egotistical, whatever, whatever it comes, whatever that comes from that you don't want to ask that, let that go. Help yourself and help others, that's what I would say.

• 52:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think the thing for me is, man, whenever I hear of someone taking their own life. I sort of think of two different things. First, it's always about that person. I try to think about what the torment must have been like, what the pain must have been like, what the depression must be like. To get to a point with yourself where you believe never breathing again, never opening your eyes again. Is better than what happens when you do. To imagine the darkness of that place is even scary to begin. And then I think of the people that they leave behind. The questions that they'll have, could I have said something else?

• 53:28Ryan Clark?

  Could I have been there for them more? Why didn't I know they were going through this? And his parents, Grayson Murray's parents, released a statement, you know? And I think about my babies, and you guys know this. No matter how old they get, they're still your babies. No matter how old they get, you feel responsible for them. And the unimaginable pain of putting one of your children in a casket, especially when the cause of death is suicide, I just don't know how you possibly move forward without that haunting you forever.

• 54:09Ryan Clark?

  And so, to his family, our thoughts and prayers are definitely with them. To anyone who is having suicidal thoughts or who is thinking of putting themselves out of the misery they live every day, just pick up your phone, dial 988. I think it's a very real thing. I think it's a very real thing that people who have never been in that place can't fully understand. So, please, take time to talk to somebody who can. This has been The Pivot, a part of Fanatics. Next time you see us, we'll be fresh off the White House. And hopefully Chan gets in. We see y'all on Tuesday.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  I'm coming, Joe! We did it, Joe!

• 55:23Speaker 00

  Having uncontrolled eosinophilic esophagitis, or EOE, can mean you're stuck in many ways, like cutting your food into tiny pieces.

• 55:33Speaker 00

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  Dupixent dupilumab, a prescription medicine for patients one year and older weighing at least 33 pounds, can help with that. It's a breakthrough treatment that can reduce inflammation in the esophagus and improve swallowing.

• 55:51Speaker 00

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• 55:56Speaker 01

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