What It Takes to Make Impossible Dreams Come True

👇 SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL - so this show can reach more people 👇 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIprGZAdzn3ZqgLmDuibYcw?sub_confirmation=1 Click the Link Below to Subscribe to my email list to MAXOUT your life (all value, no fluff) https://konect.to/edmylett 💥 Get my exclusive Monday Motivation training in GrowthDay, the world’s #1 app for advanced mindset and personal development. Visit https://growthday.com/ed. This show is sponsored by GrowthDay. What’s the real cost of chasing an “impossible” dream—and what’s waiting on the other side when you don’t quit? In this mashup episode, I bring together some of the most inspiring stories I've ever heard from people who refused to settle, who faced massive setbacks, and still found a way to create extraordinary outcomes in their lives. You’re going to hear what it really takes to make the impossible, possible. Wyc Grousbeck shares how he bought the Boston Celtics without having the money upfront—and why chasing a vision bigger than yourself can become your life's banner. Damar Hamlin opens up about his miraculous comeback from cardiac arrest, and how choosing to get up—even in the ugliest seasons—changed everything. Andre Ward breaks down what separates champions from everyone else: it’s what comes out of you when you get knocked down. Fallon Taylor walks us through her terrifying accident that left her paralyzed and how sheer determination, grit, and gratitude brought her back to the arena. And Dr. Taryn Marie offers the kind of clarity and emotional honesty we all need, especially around resilience and the power of becoming the “one” who breaks the cycle in your family. Every one of these conversations points back to one truth I believe with everything in me: the best ability is availability. Just being willing to keep swinging when others quit is the difference. Key takeaways from this episode: - Why having a clear vision—and not the resources—can be enough to start. - What to do when you hit rock bottom and need to rebuild from scratch. - How to keep moving when life blindsides you with trauma or setbacks. - Why some dreams require more than passion—they demand a fight. - The small rituals that build unshakable resilience over time. - The real difference between a dreamer and a finisher. I want you to walk away from this episode not just inspired, but convicted. There’s candy in your life’s piñata. You just have to keep swinging. Keep hitting. Even when you’re tired. Especially when you're tired. Because that’s when most people quit—and that’s exactly why you can win. Thank you for watching this video—Please Share it and get the word out! 👇 SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL👇 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIprGZAdzn3ZqgLmDuibYcw?sub_confirmation=1 ▶︎ Visit My WEBSITE | https://www. EdMylett.com #EdMylett #Motivation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ed Mylett?

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• 2:08Ed Mylett?

  This is the Ed Mylett Show.

• 2:13Ed Mylett?

  Hey, everyone. Welcome to my weekend special. I hope you enjoy the show. Be sure to follow the Ed Mylett Show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. I'm honored today as a lifetime Boston sports fan to have the primary owner of the Boston Celtics on my show is a real treat for me. Wick Grossbeck, welcome to the show, brother.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Ed, thanks a lot. It's it's nice just getting to know you just recently in our chat and and reading about you, and I'm excited to be on the podcast. Thank you.

• 2:40Ed Mylett?

  So we got to start out with one of the greatest stories I've probably ever heard. Let's start with some Celtic stuff. We're going to weave in the show, family, all this stuff today. It's going to be a great ride, everybody. But I was reading about how you ended up buying the team. And it's it is literally like something out of a movie. I mean, it's incredible. They ends up buying this team for 360 million, guys, just so you know, I don't, you know, round numbers, it's got to be worth between, I don't know, five and seven billion now, probably, this this many years later. At least that's what I'd pay for it if he would let me. But but tell him the story of how you end up, it's your dream. Let's set the stage with that as a as kind of a Boston kid growing up, and then how it ends up happening is just incredible.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of people helped. I want to start with that. But it was I was sitting at my desk doing an investment job at age 41, and not sure that that was the be all and end all for me. And I looked up at the wall, and I saw a picture from 20 years before when I was on a college team that had won a championship, a rower. And I looked at our picture with the oars and the trophy and the shirts over our shoulders. I am literally getting goosebumps right now thinking about it, which if it says something bad about me, okay, or something good, but it's something true about me, that I that I get goosebumps thinking about competing as part of a team. And and I was like, I'm 41, I'm past it,

• 4:01Speaker 01

  but I want to do that again. And so the only way to do that, I realized, was to try to be part of, you know, buying a Boston team and going and winning the championship. So from there, I, you know, went that night or soon to a Celtics game, because I had some season tickets, and I noticed that it was not full.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  And it just was in a down period and I wondered if there was a chance to and it was traded by the way on the New York Stock Exchange. So it was a public company. So you could see their numbers. And I just wondered if I could politely ask the person who owned it if he would sell me the team, you know, maybe it was time. And maybe not, you never know. And we we ended up meeting and having a really nice conversation and we ended up, um, I had a deal. But by the end of the thing to, and I made it clear, I didn't have the money, which I didn't, but I was going to go get the money if I possibly could. And we shook hands and he couldn't have been nicer about it. And so then I'm 41 and I've got this contract.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  But I don't have the funds. And so I went and met everybody I knew in Boston and I said, this is going to be the last Boston team that sells in our lifetime. I've got the contract. We're going to buy it December 31st. I'd like you to be part of it. But we're going to do it for love, not money. And this is the whole key to the whole thing. We're not trying to make money here. And I'm just telling you the truth that we're we're probably overpaying. It's it's a record price. It might be too much. In the context of the day, it was an overpayment probably and but we're going to do it to be paid in love and enjoyment and passion. There's a whole different way to be paid in life. Is to enjoy yourself. You know, you've got to pay your bills, understood, not diminishing that or minimizing that.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  But think about being paid in enjoyment and breaking even. That's what we're going to try to do here. And um, and that's what happened. So I had 20, 25 people joined in in the first meeting. And others did not join in or brought accountants and tried to negotiate. Puts and calls and interest rates and guaranteed returns. And, you know, I said, no, we don't have any of that. We're just going to be in it together, side by side. And if it works.

• 6:10Ed Mylett?

  As a guy that grew up, well, I was born in Waymouth, but I've been a lifetime fan, you know, there's a lot of guys like you and I like, I'd love to own the Red Sox. But that's not going to happen ever again. I'd love to own the Celtics. I don't think the crafts are going to let go of the Patriots anytime soon. Bob and I sit on a board together for the College Football Hall of Fame. So I'm real sure of that. I've poked around and um, but the idea here, there's such a lesson, everybody. I want you to, I want to unpack a lesson here. The key part here is, he didn't have the money.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:40Ed Mylett?

  And there's a thing I've learned about people that become successful. And that is that they have, they're preparation freaks. I think you would agree with me. They want to prepare. I'm sure you were prepared for that meeting. But their threshold of what they think they have to know before they'll take a step into the room is lower. And people that have a hard time in life succeeding, they're just always getting around to preparing until all the conditions are perfect and you lose the moment. And so for me, the big lesson, the takeaway was that like, you got the handshake, you give them a non-refundable deposit, as I understand it anyways.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:13Ed Mylett?

  But you had this thing about, you were like, if I can just get in the room, I'll figure it out. I will figure it out. And I think that's a, that's a principle of success with so many people that I meet. They, they'll put themselves in a position, maybe they're not completely prepared for. But if they know if they can get in the meeting, they can get in the room, they can get in the door, they can get the job, they can get the speech, that they'll somehow find their way through it. And a lot of other people never pursue one of these opportunities because they're getting around to getting around to getting ready. That had to be part of the reason why you're sitting where you are today. Am I right?

• 7:47Speaker 01

  I, I think, Ed, I think, well, I don't want to, uh, I have to agree that your observation is true. I'm not sure how much it applies to me. I just want to be, you know, more humble than my normal, uh, attitude. But I, I, I, I respect what you say. And I think what I, the way I might say it is that I had the idea and once I had the idea, I was like, of course, this is the idea of my lifetime. So I have to, and you can't always see that so clearly, but I just all of a sudden I started imagining myself as the lead owner of the Celtics, you know, with partners. And, and I'm like, nothing was going to stop me from trying. So I think it's the same thing, but in other words, I couldn't have read anything in the preparation that was going to talk me out of it. Once I saw their, their numbers and they were cash positive, so it would give you room to maybe try to improve

• 8:31Speaker 01

  the roster, borrow some debt, which we had to borrow 180 million and pay it off. So we needed some cash, but we're going to put the rest into the team. There was a whole virtuous cycle that we generated, um, where there was enough, if we didn't all take cash every day, every week, every month, every year, but put it into the team, maybe the team could play a little bit better and then the tickets would sell and, you know, that, so I'm coming at it from a different direction, but I'm agreeing, you, if you don't really want to do something, what you're going to do is analyze it until you find a no answer. If you want to do something, you're going to. Get enough information and then try to go for it. I mean, my wife, Amelia, right now is at a meeting in an undisclosed West Coast location with one of the biggest kind of stars in the world. I mean, one of the top stars, and that person wants to get involved with

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Arsencoro Tequila as a co-owner alongside Michael Jordan and Jeannie Buss from West Edens and us. And Amelia's in that meeting one-on-one with this person, and they're from different backgrounds. But the connection has been made already, and there's going to be more coming out of it. But she's not prepared for the meeting. You can't prepare for this meeting. You just have to have, I mean, she's as prepared as she can be, but you just have to have belief and optimism, and maybe things will happen.

• 9:44Ed Mylett?

  Wow, that's so good. I actually think if we all step back and look at our lives a little bit different, our lives have been preparing us for whatever moment we're in right now. And if you can have that belief somehow, that everything I've been going through in my life, no matter what it is, prepares me for this moment. There's another little element, and listen, you are being humble, and I love that about you. And that keeps you making good decisions. When you lose humility, you can make big mistakes believing your own press clippings. I agree with that. I've made those mistakes in my life. But having said that, there's another little element to the story before we move off of it that I want everybody to hear. And I'm going to make you aware of it, because I just think when you're great at something, sometimes you're just oblivious to it. But the vast majority of people that listen to my show or are watching us right now, they

• 10:26Ed Mylett?

  have their own version of buying the Celtics. It's to start their restaurant. It's to write the book, right? It's to find their dream relationship. It's to lose 50 pounds. It's whatever it might be. Start their charity. And what happens oftentimes in people's lives is a dream stealer, I call them, comes along and talks them out of it. And oftentimes, it can even be somebody whom you admire and respect. I know, like in my career, remember when I started, my dad, who's my hero, Really questioned what I was doing and wanted to talk me out of it, not because he was a hater, because he loved me and he wanted to protect me, didn't want me to make a mistake. Did you have people that you admired and that you looked up to tell you you were crazy

• 11:11Ed Mylett?

  to be doing this and to be careful, you were, maybe you're paying too much money? Did you have anything like that happen?

• 11:16Speaker 01

  I did. I also want to come back to what you just said about people's goals. So I'm going to try to remember to do that after I answer your question. It wasn't that they were haters for sure, but I had people I respected that I went to talked about that I think the first four people I met after shaking hands on the Celtics, the first four people I met, hoping they would come in, said no. And for perfectly good reasons, you know, overpayment, I had never had an employee before I had.

• 11:43Ed Mylett?

  Say that again, you had never had an employee before?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  If you can call my assistant an employee, I did have one employee, she's, we're still working together today, 21 years later, Wendy Cooper, she's fantastic, but she doesn't really report to me, if you know what I mean. But other than that, but I guess I just, I got some very qualified no's, thoughtful no's from people that I really respected, but then I went ahead and signed the contract and wired the money. Then when I had the signed contract, everything actually got easier. If I can just talk for a minute about your observation that everybody has a dream, or hopefully everybody has a dream. The way I say it, or I've said it to people in the past, like a class, a college class

• 12:25Speaker 01

  or something would be, I got to win a banner with the team in 2008, you know, got the ring, we got the banner up in the rafters, had the parade. And I want to win two more banners before I die. And everybody will normally go, yeah, of course, and why doesn't he want to wear, win five more or something? I said, no, no, no, you don't understand. My son is born blind, Campbell, and doesn't see, has many amazing qualities, he's everybody's favorite person, who meets somebody he's struggled with or had to cope with not being able to see his whole life. I became the chairman of Mass Eye and Ear, which is the world's largest and among the leading, you know, blindness and deafness research institutions affiliated with Harvard,

• 13:10Speaker 01

  but really stands on its own since the 1820s. And the motto is so that the deaf may hear and the blind may see. And so one banner I want to raise is we beat blindness. And one banner I want to raise is we beat deafness. You know, we're done with it. And, and my point being that everybody in the room that I'd be talking to, and I think probably every listener here could raise a banner. They have those talents. But what do you want your banner to say? Do you want to say, I did something about hunger, or homelessness, or poverty in my community, or in the broader world? I did something about,

• 13:51Speaker 01

  I did something for someone who was lonely. I did, I did, I helped somebody fight cancer. I was a great parent, or a great partner. I mean, it doesn't have to be the biggest banner in history. But what banner, when you're 80 years old, 90 years old, what banner do you want to have in your rafters? And then let me know when you do it, and I'll come to the celebration. So that's kind of what I think about it.

• 14:16Ed Mylett?

  That's so good. And you know it. I'm stealing that.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I kind of polished it. I've polished that a little bit. But, but I, I, I think it kind of works because people think, oh, yeah, this guy wants to win more banners. Big deal. But no, they're different banners.

• 14:30Ed Mylett?

  Brother, that's remarkable. I was gonna ask you about Campbell later. But I'll ask you now, since you brought him up. How is having Campbell in your life changed? It makes me emotional, and he's not my son. I don't even know what the heck I'm doing right now. Um, I have a sister, Wick, who went blind with diabetic retinopathy. So this is a subject that's close to my heart as well. Now, fortunately, we've got some of her vision back. But how did having a child who, I'm sure when that happens, I really have this, this theory that when God, you know, maybe takes a gift from somebody, he doses them with incredible other gifts that make them superhuman in certain ways. But I'm curious as to having a child like Campbell, how it changed you. It had to some extent changed

• 15:15Ed Mylett?

  you or affected you, give you a perspective or something that was different before God blessed him in your life. How did it affect you?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Well, I, I guess I would just say Campbell is, and his sister are both spectacular, thoughtful people who are generous and giving and do everything they can for other people. And so that's one of his gifts. He's he's beloved by everybody who meets him. Really, that's true, not an overstatement. He probably taught me and others to, you know, I don't want any more pain in the world. I don't want people to feel overlooked or left behind in any way, or, you know, I, everybody feels this way. I'm not saying I'm special in that way, but it just made me realize that, you know, we have to go fight blindness. We have to go fight, fight

• 16:07Speaker 01

  deafness. He gave me probably a little bit more of a purpose. But anyway, Campbell doesn't owe me anything, but he's the most wonderful. He and sister are spectacular and his mom and I worked hard raising them, but they they started off spectacular anyway.

• 16:22Ed Mylett?

  You know, what does make you different? I'll just brag on you. Since you, it's pretty clear to me early in the interview, you're going to refuse to do it. So I'll do it for you. And this isn't just you. A lot of people have feelings about things in life, Wick. And this is why I do my show. They feel like they want to change their emotions. They feel like they want to change their family's station in life. They feel like they want to make a difference. But what separates people isn't that you have that feeling. It's that you use the word that you just used. They fight for it. And, you know, life's not going to give you what you'd like to have, or you want to have, or you feel like having. It gives you what you're willing to fight for. And what separates people in life is their willingness to fight for something that's bigger than them. And to your point, this banner is one of those things. But that is what separates you. A lot of people don't like to own the Celtics. You fought for it. That's

• 17:05Ed Mylett?

  why you have. And I think there's a lesson there. You're not going to say it about yourself, but it's it's a fact. And I think when you're in the midst of doing something great in your life, you really don't even realize it because you got the meetings every day and the pressure. And we lost in the finals last year. So it doesn't really dawn on you, probably till it's long done and you are 80 years old, where you're like, I owned the flipping Boston Celtics and I don't even have the money to buy the team. The other thing that dawned on me about you is the sitcom. So it's called Extended Family, guys, and it's sort of loosely based on Wick and his family. Tell me this isn't really how this happened. Because it's like, if I understand the premise, I understand the premise. And by the way,

• 17:43Ed Mylett?

  I've heard unbelievable things about Amelia. Just so you know, from mutual friends of ours, they're like, Wick's pretty good, but Amelia's remarkable. And I'm serious.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Whenever I go to a Celtics game up in Boston, Amelia lives primarily down in New York. And so whenever I'm at a game in Boston, everybody's like, hi Wick, where's Amelia? Where's Amelia? Where's Amelia? I mean, I will hear it 12 to 15 times a night, including.

• 18:05Ed Mylett?

  I hear this too.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  And where's Amelia? And so I asked her the other day, I said, Amelia, has anybody ever once asked you, where's Wick?

• 18:16Speaker 01

  And she's like, oh, honey. And she's like the big smile. She's like, she's crunching up her face, thinking of a time someone might have asked, where's Wick? Like, that's.

• 18:25Ed Mylett?

  She has to reflect. I'm sorry, man. Well, I'll ask where you are next time I'm there. I'll ask her out. But I gotta tell you, I think people look at someone like you, or, you know, anybody they see on TV or something. Like their family dynamic must be perfect as well. Right? And so then I'm reading into your background, like, well, he's got a beautiful, incredible family. But there was, I'm sure the, the day you found out that, that Campbell had an issue with his vision, that's, that's a, that's something to process, right? That's not, that's a curve ball. We'll call it a curve ball. And then, I don't know that this is accurate, but I know the premise of the show. The premise of the show is that you, you and there's, there's a woman who ends up getting divorced. And she ends up living under the same roof with her ex as they decide to raise the children.

• 19:10Ed Mylett?

  And this really successful guy owns a sports team, ends up dating her. And then there's this crazy dynamic that takes place. Tell me that that's actually accurate. Did that actually happen?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  I'm sitting in the, I'm sitting in the communal apartment right now in Manhattan.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  George, Amelia's ex, was born and raised in Boston, went to B C, born in Needham. Huge Boston sports fan. There's more back to that later. But hilarious guy, brilliant guy, worked on Wall Street for many, many years. And really, really funny and really nice guy and a great dad. But eventually, apparently the marriage ran its course and, but they were both, they said, look, we're going to be better friends. So what if we stopped being married, but we kept the kids intact, you know, as best we could? This is the story of the show. So speaking for George and Amelia here, who were co-creators and co-executive producers. Okay. The, uh, the idea was that they had, which I think is brilliant, was to, basically it's called nesting.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  And it happens every now and then, if you can get along with your ex, the ex switches in for a week. And then you switch in for a week and the kids stay put in their bedrooms. And the kids, I think were young. I think there were eight and 11 at the time or something, or nine and 12. And it just probably provided more stability and calm that mom's here or dad's here. Maybe there were Sunday dinners, but everybody got along and they went, I mean, they may have still gone on family vacations. To this day, we all have Thanksgiving and Christmas together and so on. So George is part of the family. He, he has welcomed me to the family. There was a family event. There was a family funeral. And I just met George that evening. Uh, Amelia and I had been dating a little bit and, and in front of the whole family, George stood up in this emotional time, said, I just want to welcome Wick to the family.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Like he knew it was serious. George is a fantastic guy. And so when George is willing to go that far for his kids and the happiness of not only his ex, uh, Amelia, but, but his two kids and Amelia was willing to go that far. And of course I'm, you know, I'm happy to share everybody's life together. I mean, it's an amazing thing when it can happen. We didn't start the show to give people a lecture. It's just kind of funny because a Boston sports fan's head explodes when his dynamic, beautiful wife, ex-wife brings home the owner of his favorite sports team. It's a little bit much. Okay. That's crazy. He literally said, and he named a couple NBA owners. What about this guy or that guy?

• 21:37Speaker 01

  You know, Mark Cuban, can't you date Mark Cuban? You just can't. Boston sports is all I have. Okay. So he's so funny. He's now a writer on the show, by the way. So he's in the writer's room out there in, in LA half the time.

• 21:48Ed Mylett?

  That's awesome. You guys just picture this. You're living with, first off, it is unique that you're living essentially in the same house with your ex-wife and then you're this huge fan of the Celtics and she dates the guy that owns the team.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  So we've got Donald Faison playing the Celtics owner and he's thrilled. He actually won the celebrity basketball league in LA. He was like on the winning team. He's a real basketball player. He's a hilarious guy and I personally wanted him for my role because I wanted to have, I just imagined Donald Faison owning the Celtics. It seemed to work for me. And then, um, Abigail Spencer, very talented with Scottie on Suits and then in Brazen Anatomy and Mad Men. Um, she looks a lot like Amelia and, but she's just very talented in her own right and, uh, she's playing Amelia's role. And then, uh, John, the very super talented John Cryer is playing George. And so that's why we were actually last week, the number two show on all of Tuesday night.

• 22:40Ed Mylett?

  Congratulations. By the way, the reason I know about the show is John Cryer. I'm a huge two and a half men fan and I think he's just, he's awesome. So you guys go check out the show and just, this man's life is so interesting. Like everyone's just sold to me, hey, if you get the owner of the Celtics on the show, do it. And then I start to research him because I don't want to just have any owner on the show. I only do 52 interviews a year and I'm like, my gosh, this man is so compelling. It's so interesting. What's it like? What's it like when the dream comes true? Take us through this. 2008. Uh, it finally happens. You've owned the, I guess you probably owned the team about six, seven years by that time, right? And you get to actual raise the actual Celtics banner with the parade. I read some stuff like when you were selling people on investing in the team, it was not

• 23:25Ed Mylett?

  just the fun of it, but it was also like, imagine the parade day. You know, imagine this raising the banner. You actually sold the dream to investors, which is what I think all great leaders do. They've got a vision. They've got an ability to sell a vision and a dream and repeat it and get buy-in from people. That's one element of the things that you're great at, that you discount about yourself. But what is it like when you actually step into a dream? Cause most of us, most people listening to this pray for that day where they actually meet their dream. They're stepping into it. What's it feel like?

• 23:57Speaker 01

  I was almost like bewildered. It was so, I didn't let myself, uh, believe it almost because it just seemed too implausible. I, I know it was halftime of game six. And we were up by 28 points at halftime. We went on a run right before halftime. We're up like 26, 28 points at halftime. I went into our courtside club and I've got Steven Tyler in there from Aerosmith and Bill Belichick from the Patriots, who was a terrific guy off the field. On the field, you know, he's noncommunicative or whatever he is off the field. He's hilarious. And I'm sitting next to, standing next to Belichick and I said, Bill, what do you think? Like, what do you think? I figure if anyone's gonna take me down a notch, it's Bill Belichick, right? Like, take it one play at a time, like the most dour, right?

• 24:43Speaker 01

  By the book. And he goes, are you kidding me? You're the bleeping world champions. We can celebrate now. He goes, tequila for everybody in the bar. Like, he called it at halftime. I'm like, well, you just got jinxed by Bill Belichick. But we, but we won by 39, you know, but, but I still didn't believe it. I'm like, well, they could come back. We're, we're up 30, you know? And then they put these velvet ropes at our feet that they were preparing to raise. And then like all of a sudden I remembered, oh my God, the trophy's in the building. Like, I hadn't even allowed myself to think about the trophy. And I'm like, I'm about to be handed this trophy. And I had no remarks prepared. You know, I just didn't let myself prepare because I didn't want to jinx it. I was superstitious, I guess. And I, I just didn't believe it was true. But, you know, to this day, every day I walk out onto the court, I'm like, I'm sitting in these great seats.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  I'm like, I guess it must be me and my partners who were sitting with me because like, who else would be sitting in these seats? Like, I, I, it's kind of a pleasant surprise every day. I swear to God, it's that good.

• 25:41Ed Mylett?

  Are you telling me Bill Belichick bought a round for the bar or am I exaggerating that story?

• 25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did. That's the way I remember it. We're gonna go with that.

• 25:48Ed Mylett?

  We're gonna go with that. You, uh, you win. I don't know, for me, people have asked me like different dreams of mine that have happened. If I'm being honest, when they happened, they were incredible.

• 25:59Ed Mylett?

  But it didn't last as long as I thought it would, if I'm being candid, meaning the, the joy of it and the euphoria. This is just me. I'm just sharing from my perspective. I'm curious for you. Because of the pressure of now doing it again or doing something bigger. And so it's, it was almost like for me. I got as much joy in almost pursuing the dream as I did in actually the achievement of it. And there's actually some studies that say you get more dopamine in the pursuit of a goal than you do actually when you hit it in your brain.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  I can, I can refute that.

• 26:29Ed Mylett?

  Okay, give it to me. I want to, I want to hear your perspective.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  It's been 16 long years, but every day I'm happy about it. And

• 26:37Ed Mylett?

  You are.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, because it wasn't just me. I didn't make any of the baskets, you know, it was us as a group and we got there. And I don't know, I'm just, maybe it's just, it's my character or lack thereof, or whatever, but I'm hap, I'm thrilled about it.

• 26:52Ed Mylett?

  Could that explain, could that explain why you haven't won another one in 16 years? I'm just kidding.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  We're on top of the league right now, my friend. We are five or six games ahead of like everybody else, but we don't want to jinx it because it's only two thirds of the way through the season.

• 27:05Ed Mylett?

  What about that though? So the team itself right now, I'm a huge fan. And so we've been knocking on the door. I say we, and I don't have an ownership piece until this interview's over today. But, but the, we've been knocking on the door. I don't know. Five was Eastern Conference Finals, couple finals and

• 27:21Speaker 01

  That's frustrating.

• 27:22Ed Mylett?

  Is the joy of winning for you greater than the pain of defeat at least as the owner? Meaning you said it's frustrating, but it looks to me like it's frustrating, but that, that championship meant so much to you that, you know, you can grind through the, man, we were so close. We were so close. What's that feel like?

• 27:40Speaker 01

  If we can get back there, it'll be super sweet. You know, John Henry once told me his second one was his favorite because you could, you know, the first, prove the first wasn't a fluke. But Red Auerbach of the Celtics always said the first one was always the best, you know? So I'd love to have the debate. I'd love to have the chance to have the debate. I'm glad I got, one is better than none. But, you know, there'll never be a loss that's bad enough to make me want to leave. I actually think the losses put the wins in perspective. In a way, they make them sweeter. If, if you're just undefeated every year, what's the fun of it? You know? I mean, I'd love to try it, but it doesn't happen. Life isn't that way.

• 28:16Ed Mylett?

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• 30:20Ed Mylett?

  Very short intermission here, folks. I'm glad you're enjoying the show so far. Be sure to follow The Ed Mylett Show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. Here's an excerpt I did with our next guest. The man that we're going to talk with today is a very important man to me. There are not five people on planet Earth that I would rather speak to today than this young man. And my dream list for people that would be on this podcast, he is at the very, very top of the list. Because he's a story of resiliency, faith, strength, comeback. I don't know that I've ever said this and meant it more. I am so grateful that you are here today and welcome to the show, Damar Hamlin. Good to have you here, brother.

• 31:04Damar Hamlin?

  Man, thanks for having me. I appreciate, you know, the intro.

• 31:07Ed Mylett?

  Somebody who's going through, they're on the bottom right now. Right now in their life, they're like, man, I'm, I'm, I'm down right now. You know, I just, nothing's working out, you know, I,

• 31:21Ed Mylett?

  my business just failed, or I just broke up with my relationship, or man, just nothing I've done has been clicking for years. I don't feel good about myself. I'm down. And this may sound like an interesting metaphor, but they need sort of a life version of CPR to get back up again. They need some life breathed back into them, literally. What would you say to somebody who's just down right now and wants to make a comeback? What would you say to that person who's struggling with that right now?

• 31:50Damar Hamlin?

  First thing I would say is, man, you can't, you can't conquer the world in one day. So, you know, just take yourself out of that big perspective and see how you can take one step and put the right foot in front of the left foot. You know, something I've heard a while is you can't sit in a pool of pity, you know? So even when you feel that feeling of, you know, you wanting to harp on your, your situation or your circumstances too much, get up and move. Like literally, I mean, get up and move, you know, so you can get yourself out of the film before you get sunk too deep into it. Um, that's the first way I would say, just, you know, to deal with the emotions that come off of your situation. Don't allow yourself to sit in it, get up and move, and don't think you can, just know that you can't conquer the world on one day. So,

• 32:35Damar Hamlin?

  wherever it is you wanna be, you know, you gotta take it step by step, one day at a time, you know? I knew that I had to take it step by step, one day at a time. I couldn't worry about, you know, trying to suit up and play in the playoffs again, or I would have drove myself crazy. Literally, I would have drove myself insane. I had to know that it's gonna be a journey. And even through this season that I just went through. I, you know, pe- people deal with ACLs and don't come back in the time period that I did. Or any other injuries that don't come back in the time period that I did. So, I know it's gonna be a journey. Even when some people return off the ACLs, they're not, they're not their same selves. That first season out their back, they need time. They need steps. They gotta put the right foot in front of the left, and they gotta walk the journey. They gotta go through the ugly phases, you know?

• 33:17Damar Hamlin?

  I feel like I just went through an ugly phase this whole season, you know what I mean? But I'm super proud of myself. You know, so, go through the ugly phases. Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it. That's the big, that's the biggest part of it all. Focus on take one foot in front of the right. Go through the ugly phases. And just continue to try to get better, one day at a time, one step at a time, and write down what you feel is necessary to accomplish what you wanna get done. And then follow it. Make no negotiations with yourself whenever you set the plan out. Like, if you say you're gonna do certain things at certain times, or with certain people, make sure you do them. You know what I mean? Hold yourself to a different standard and accountability so that you can get out of your situation. You know, you can't

• 34:00Damar Hamlin?

  get out of a situation doing the same things that put you into the situation. So, you know, that's, that's like insanity, doing the same thing and expecting different results. You know, and I'm kinda, I'm kinda, uh, you know, preaching that message to, you know, a lot of my personal friends in my life, you know, who are, you know, they complain about certain things, or they bring certain things to my attention, and then, you know, they keep doing the same things. You know, I'm, I'm at the point where it's like, you know, if you're gonna keep dealing with the same certain type of things, don't even tell me, because, like, don't, don't sit up here and just waste all my time when you okay with accepting the same things that got you where you are. If you wanna get yourself to a different situation, you gotta do different things to get different results.

• 34:44Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Damar Hamlin?

  That's my

• 34:45Ed Mylett?

  I gotta tell you.

• 34:46Damar Hamlin?

  All perspective.

• 34:47Ed Mylett?

  That's so good. I brother, I'm just sitting here going, you gotta be kidding me. It's so good. You know what you are? You're a great perspective giver, just who you are. I gotta tell you. Today was a particularly not great morning for me and I was talking to my daughter and I said, she goes, how you doing today daddy? I said, I'm, I'm not having a great morning, Bella. I'm not having a good day. And then we hung up and I was kind of just re, I've been so excited about this interview for so long. It's kind of like re-preparing a little bit. And then I literally said to myself, I just, everybody hear this for whatever you're going through. I said, really? You're not having a great day compared to what? The day DeMar had on January 2nd, 2023, in that moment, that's a bad day compared to me?

• 35:32Ed Mylett?

  I had a couple of meetings not go the right way, right? And this man was in front of millions of people, literally fighting for his life. Does, does it give you a perspective, brother? Like when you're having what was used to be a bad day? You're like, well, not compared to, like compared to what, right? Do you ever have that thought? Does it give you perspective on that?

• 35:52Damar Hamlin?

  Man, every day, every day, to be honest, you know, there's no day where I can, you know, allow myself to get too low anymore because you know, I have the appreciation of life, you know? So no matter what's going on in life, just to still be here is a blessing because we all know some people who are, who are not. And we all wish that we could have some people still with us. So no matter my situation, I'm able to allow myself to appreciate something, you know? It's, it's hard to appreciate everything, you know, especially when, you know, for the people that are listening, especially when, you know, you're going through situations where your emotions are rising and you know, you, you're feeling whatever you're feeling the most, but I'm always able to, to bring

• 36:36Damar Hamlin?

  myself to appreciate at least one thing, no matter what it is, no matter if it's the ability to still play football, because that could have been taken away from me. No matter if it's, you know, just appreciating family.

• 36:49Damar Hamlin?

  My little brother, my mom, my dad, you know, no matter if it's just, you know, appreciating a deep breath, man, or appreciating wherever I am in the world, you know, if I'm in California, if I'm in, at home, if I'm anywhere in the world, you know, I always bring myself to find at least one thing that I can appreciate and it shapes your perspective differently. It really does.

• 37:11Ed Mylett?

  Wow. Brother, I love you. I'm, two things, I got one last question. One, I'm grateful for you.

• 37:18Damar Hamlin?

  You as well. I thank you for this. This was therapy.

• 37:21Ed Mylett?

  Good, well, me too, and millions of people. The second thing is I just, as a brother, I'm proud, I'm, shoot, I'm getting, I'm just very proud of you. Very proud of you. You're, uh, you're remarkable. All right, a football question, because you'll be pissed if I don't ask. So, are you a free agent?

• 37:39Damar Hamlin?

  No.

• 37:40Ed Mylett?

  Okay, so you're under contract?

• 37:41Damar Hamlin?

  Buffalo Bills, I'm a Buffalo Bill.

• 37:44Ed Mylett?

  Okay, cuz, cuz I read something today, Bills Mafia, I read something today, you know what I'm gonna ask you about? They were like, hey, I wouldn't mind ending my career playing for the Steelers, right? Is that an accurate quote? Like, I just make you awkward. I asked you, I didn't push you too hard on what happened on the field, so I gotta, like, is like, I, people wanna know, what's gonna happen with this young man? So, we know you're, you're a Bill, but is there a little part of you eventually would love to finish up with the Steelers, or you wanna be a Bill for life?

• 38:12Damar Hamlin?

  I wanna be a Bill for life, you know, that's a team that truly took a chance on me and gave me opportunity, you know, to show what I can do, you know? I'm a late round draft pick, um, throughout the whole entire draft, you know, I watched my name sit as a first name to best taken, you know, for like two, three rounds, um, you know, and I'm just like, will I ever get my opportunity? You know, I knew I had what it takes, you know, but, you know, opportunity, like, preparation doesn't always mean opportunity. I was prepared, but I didn't know if the opportunity was gonna come. So, you know, the Bills, when they selected me, um, you know, I was, I was, I felt so blessed, you know, and I didn't know anything about Buffalo, I didn't know anything about

• 38:53Damar Hamlin?

  Bills Mafia at the time, but, you know, it didn't take long for me to, for them to show me who, exactly who they were. Um, and you know, for me personally, and then during my research as well, just seeing how they treated their players, how they treat other players or other teams, you know, like donated eighty thousand dollars to other people's team, like to other teams foundations, like it was, it was just unbelievable of like the support that Bills Mafia has for the players of the Buffalo Bills. So first and foremost, I want to clear all here. I want to be a Buffalo Bill for life, because that's the team that took the chance on me.

• 39:33Damar Hamlin?

  Um, when I answered that question, you know, I answered it from the perspective of, you know, a childhood perspective. You know, a kid that, you know, grew up his entire life. Like I told you, man, I had the dream for a long time. I had the dream for a long time. Uh, you know, just making it to the NFL and just being able to have an opportunity to, you know, take care of my family and give back to my community, something that I didn't have as a kid growing up, you know? So that was always my driving force. Um, but you know, as a kid, you know, like playing the game, I always created myself as a Steeler. And I always, you know, played the game like that, just as a kid. So the question they asked me, I answered it from a childhood perspective. And then I also answered it from the perspective of,

• 40:15Damar Hamlin?

  no, I don't want to play for the Steelers right now because I'm a Buffalo Bill. You know what I mean? Like I'm still under contract with the Buffalo Bills. And then on top of that, uh, and then on top of that, you know, I spent five years at the University of Pittsburgh and I shared the facility with the Steelers. That's how I built a close relationship, you know, with them. And then, um, so that's college, five years. And then four years of high school where we had championship games at, you know, the stadium. So, uh, you know, I, I've had my fair share of time there. Um, how I answered the question was.

• 40:53Damar Hamlin?

  It would more so be a dream to finish career than to be playing now, you know, and I'm and I say that I said that lightly because um you know you see players all the time who have a career they'll have like an eight 10 year career with this team and then they'll go play for this team for X amount of time and then when they finally retire they'll go sign that one dollar contract uh with the team that they felt most connected to and then retire with that team um you know so you know I it was it was a lightly answered question that kind of like super stirred up social media but um to be honest you know

• 41:33Damar Hamlin?

  even through all the chaos of it that it caused I'm just super excited to finally see people excited to see me play football again you know what I mean like that was a great feeling that was above all those you know above all the chaos it might have caused that was just a great feeling you know what I mean I I dealt with so much um you know controversy and you know like just craziness all year long just uh it just if if I needed to play if if I needed to be playing if I was just all of a sudden just this trash player if I just was never good at football and I'm only famous for one thing and this and that uh you know so I went through a whole year of that you know and you know

• 42:16Damar Hamlin?

  just chirping you know I don't allow none of that to enter my inner matrix but um you know it was super exciting to see people you know excited to see me play football again so like you know it turned me up a little bit man it made me go harder in the gym uh it made me go harder in the gym those days because you know I'm excited for them to see what I got in the tent too.

• 42:36Ed Mylett?

  I am as well. Take it easy on the Patriots. I'm a Patriots fan. This is one of the greatest boxers of the last two decades and you might even argue in the history of the sport and so Andre Ward, thank you for being here today. Appreciate it man, thanks for having me. Like I could go three hours of this but you said that one punch who's hardest you ever been hit by who?

• 42:56Andre Ward?

  I would say, it's tough to say one guy, but I would probably say the guy with the the strongest power, the two guys with the strongest power are Arthur Abraham and I heard rumors about him. The analogy people always gave was he feels like he's got bricks in his gloves. And if you watched my first fight with him, the only fight that we had in the first round, he hit me with a jab.

• 43:25Ed Mylett?

  A jab.

• 43:26Andre Ward?

  And for those that don't know, that's a basic punch in boxing, just a straight, straight punch. Wow, he hit me and I kind of buckled a little bit. I said, oh boy, it's real. Everything they said was real. And that kept me on my toes and kept me on my game the whole night. And then Edison Miranda, he hit like a mule. His money punch was the right hand, that's pretty much all he had. He pawed with the jab, he had these long arms and if he landed that right hand flush, a lot of guys went to sleep. And that was my first time facing a big puncher like that. And that's probably the worst I've ever felt after a fight was fighting Edison Miranda. Those two guys probably had the most devastating power.

• 44:05Ed Mylett?

  So I thought you were gonna say, and we'll wrap up the boxing piece here, I thought you were gonna tell me Kovalev. So, I love your face when I said that. So, for those of you don't know, so I'm a huge fan of yours, you know this, but now that we're friends, I need to tell you that before you fought him-

• 44:21Andre Ward?

  You a little worried?

• 44:22Ed Mylett?

  I was worried for you. So I thought, this is the crusher.

• 44:25Andre Ward?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Ed Mylett?

  This dude supposedly can really hit, right? And so, y'all don't know this, he beat him twice. But, so, just, because those are the last couple fights, right?

• 44:36Andre Ward?

  Yeah, last two fights.

• 44:37Ed Mylett?

  So just, what would you just tell me about fighting him, prepping for him, getting hit by him, those fights? Anything you would tell me about those experiences?

• 44:44Andre Ward?

  I mean-

• 44:45Ed Mylett?

  Because the first fight was like, hey, people thought it could've gone any way. The second fight, there was obviously no question.

• 44:49Andre Ward?

  Yeah, no, I mean-

• 44:52Andre Ward?

  Kovalev is like, he's a real deal. He's a real deal. Anytime you got a nickname like the Crusher,

• 44:56Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Andre Ward?

  you better be able to hit hard. And he has good power. He has good power. It's not what I thought it was. But he hits hard. And I think one thing that's always been overlooked in my career, you hear about, you know, people say, oh, he's a good boxer, you know, Dre, you know, he can do this, he can do that, but they never talk about my chin. And that's not really something I want to be known for.

• 45:15Ed Mylett?

  Because you don't want to get hit all the time.

• 45:16Andre Ward?

  Hey, I'm not, that's not really my thing, but like, I've fought the best punchers in the game. And I've been down twice in a 32 fight career. And I fought the best. And one of those times was against Sergey Kovalev.

• 45:30Andre Ward?

  I can't get into too much because we're, you know, we're gonna be putting out the documentary soon and we're gonna detail a lot of what happened in the pre-fight for Kovalev I, but just went through a lot of different things physically for that fight. I was moving up in weight from 168 pounds to 175 pounds. But again, like you just mentioned, I'm not going up there just to fight some Rudy Poo. I'm fighting the best guy. This guy was the real deal. Russian fighter. He was known for going into other people's hometowns and home countries and like taking their belts. And nobody really wanted to fight him. And here I am, a guy that's in a lower weight class, who's not really considered a big puncher, but has a lot of skill and I've pretty much won everything at the lower weight class. And people are saying, man, he's going up in weight, like,

• 46:13Andre Ward?

  the overall consensus was, the critics were saying, he bit off too much. This is the guy that's finally gonna get him. And my supporters were saying, Dre's going out boxing.

• 46:27Andre Ward?

  We get into the fight and the first thing I noticed about him was just how accurate he was. Like, it wasn't necessarily that he hit hard. It was just, he was just very accurate. Like, I was thinking and he was punching. And the first round was just like, man, it was just like a blur. And I remember sitting down and Verge getting on me right away, saying, man, stop posing. Meaning, stop standing still. Like, move your legs. Like, warm up, get moving. And I was just kind of like, man, I just, I don't know. I just kind of felt like I was in quicksand. Second round, he and I. Exchange and I'm getting ready to throw a right hand. He's getting ready to throw a right hand. His right hand gets there first. And I just see a flash, bam. I look up, oh man. I'm on the canvas. I hear the crowd going crazy.

• 47:10Andre Ward?

  I look up, the referee's in my face, six, seven, eight. And I stand up. In those moments, we talked about pre-fight, but in that moment, that's for sure a fight or flight type moment. Yeah. Like whatever you got on the inside, it's gonna come out. If you got turn in you, it's gonna come out. If you got any kind of coward in you, it's gonna come out. If you got the dog in you, that's gonna come out too. And I thank my dad for these types of moments because my dad had that dog in him. He's the type of guy that would never start anything, but if you hit him, he's gonna hit you back. And that was probably the best thing that could have happened to me in that first fight with Kovalev was for me to get knocked down because now I'm mad. Now I wanna get that back.

• 47:54Andre Ward?

  And I'm no longer overthinking trying to be perfect. Like I was too busy, I was incensed with trying to get that moment back from him. And I found somehow, some way, man, by the grace of God, I clawed my way back into that fight. And I really felt like from the seventh round on, um, I broke him. And when I say broke him, it doesn't mean that he quit. It doesn't mean that he threw in the towel. It means that he wasn't himself. I stopped him from being who he wanted to be that night. And I eked out a win. Yeah. And I won the fight by the 12th round. If I'm not mistaken, two judges gave it to me. Correct. One judges gave it to him, one judge gave it to him. And some people were not happy about it. That's right.

• 48:37Andre Ward?

  And, and some people were happy about it. And after the fight, I thought I was done. I thought I was done. Uh, I think it was a combination of just my career, like the physical toil that it took to get ready for fights and then the actual fights. And then you see the reaction from the people. And it's like, man, I just gave my all. I just beat the boogeyman, I beat the monster. Yeah. And it's still not enough. And

• 49:06Andre Ward?

  I didn't do anything for three months after that fight and that's a no-no for me. Like I always do something. I'll take, you know, maybe three, four weeks off, let my body heal and then I'll start to do some run-ins, some light shadow boxing. I'll get back in the gym little by little. I like had no desire, like literally for three months straight. And I remember going to see my pastor, Napoleon Kaufman, former Raider running back. Really? He's your pastor? Yeah, that's my pastor. Did he go to Notre Dame or Navy? No, he went to U-Dub, University of Washington. That's right, okay, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Lumbok. I remember him, yep. Yeah. I remember going to him and you know, he abruptly retired after six years in the league and started at church and he's been doing great. I said, "Man Pastor, I don't know, man." I said, "I think I'm done, man." He said, "Man, why do you say that?" I said, "I haven't done anything in three months."

• 49:50Andre Ward?

  I said, "That's not like me. I have no desire to do this." And I thought he was gonna cosign with me. Yeah. And he kinda sat there like he does. He said, "You know, Draymond, he said, "I think you'll be fine if you stop right now." He said, "But I could see you doing one more." And I remember like, I was thankful for what he told me, but at the same time I was disappointed. I'm like, like, "What?" Wait a second, he was gonna give me that extra little oomph to like give me the courage to walk away. Yeah. And he challenged me. He said, "Man, I could see you doing one more." I said, "Really?" I said, "But yeah, but I just told you I have no desire to do it. I haven't been to the gym." He said, "I know, I know." He said, "But once you make up your mind that you wanna do the second fight, he said, "The fire will be rekindled." And he just sat there.

• 50:34Andre Ward?

  And I got up and I walked out and again, I had mixed emotions. I was like, "Man, I appreciate him." And that wasn't what I thought he was gonna say. And he challenged me just to go a little bit longer, go a little bit further. And I was content, even though I knew I was gonna get some heat and people were gonna say, "You're running from Kovalev, you lost the first fight, you're scared to fight the second fight." I knew I was gonna get that, but I was over it. Drove home and...

• 51:00Andre Ward?

  Talked to my wife and mulled over for about another week. And I picked up the phone, I told my team, I said, man, get the money right. I said, we'll do the second fight. And just like that, the desire kicked back.

• 51:14Ed Mylett?

  It did come back. You trained just as rigorously for that fight as in the other fight.

• 51:17Andre Ward?

  I had the best training camp for that fight than I probably ever had in my whole career. I was the happiest. I just enjoyed it again.

• 51:27Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 51:28Andre Ward?

  The first fight, physical issues, it was just a lot of pressure, like it was just a lot, it just didn't feel right. But once I got through that and got to this other side, man, I had a great camp, man, I was happy. I had to bounce back in my legs, my body felt good. I just mentally, like me and Verz had planned to knock him out. That was the first thing Verz said when I went back to the gym, he said, we gonna stop him. And in my mind, I'm like, alright, how? Like, give me the how. That's the what, what's the how? He said, we gonna hit him to the body. He said, you broke him that second half of that fight, he was exhausted. He said, we gonna pick up where we left off. And the camp was just amazing.

• 52:05Ed Mylett?

  It was amazing.

• 52:06Andre Ward?

  Amazing. We had, you know, bumps and bruises, but that was the best camp emotionally that I've had in a long time.

• 52:11Ed Mylett?

  So that leads to the big question. Like, he retired. By the way, if you want to see something that's unbelievable. So this was a dominant win, okay? I think your best fight, myself, because of who it was against too, but so, you want to see an emotional clip, go to his Instagram, which we're gonna promote at the very end. We're gonna promote some things here in a minute that I want you all to see that are awesome that he's doing. But let me just be clear with you, you need to go watch this video, it's emotional, watch. I told him, I got teary eyed watching it alone, right? But, so you lost a little of your juice after the first fight, you found it, then he retired after this fight, okay? But like, still the dominant fighter that you are, like, why not fight again? Do you know you're not gonna fight again?

• 52:52Ed Mylett?

  Or is there the chance that something like that happens again and that fire gets rekindled and we see you back in the ring again? Because he walked in there, I'm like, this dude is fit, I mean, ready to go. It's been a year Friday that he decided to retire, but like, really? You know how boxers are, like, really, now, he saved some money, he's not your normal boxer, but be real. Like, is there a door open? I know you can't, like, is it cracked open? Is it possible the right dude came along? Called you out, whatever. Like, be, don't, don't do the TV answer, do the real answer. Like, is there a chance that you would fight again?

• 53:27Andre Ward?

  Listen.

• 53:30Andre Ward?

  It's not something I'm planning, you know, it's not something I'm planning. It's not something that's being mapped out.

• 53:38Andre Ward?

  But I'm also smart enough to know that you don't know how things are gonna unfold. You just don't know. So I'm always gonna keep myself in some kinda shape.

• 53:46Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you're smirking.

• 53:47Andre Ward?

  I'm always keep my eye on the game and just see who's who and what's going on.

• 53:53Andre Ward?

  But I'm not planning on it. Like, the why is what we're gonna address in my upcoming documentary.

• 54:00Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 54:01Andre Ward?

  Unguarded.

• 54:02Ed Mylett?

  I always put these polls out to you guys saying, "Who do you want on my show?" And there kept being this name coming up, this beautiful name, by the way. Fallon Taylor, Fallon Taylor, get her on your show. But she's probably best known for being a World Barrel Racing Champion. I'm so excited for you guys to hear this story, so thank you for being here, Fallon.

• 54:18Fallon Taylor?

  Thank you so much.

• 54:19Ed Mylett?

  So guys, now, here we go. Just so you know, if you're driving the car, you need to grip your steering wheel a little bit tighter because this is about to get really good, like really hugely inspiring. If you're on the treadmill at the gym, you're about to go from level seven to level 10, like that. And if you're watching YouTube, this is the part where you bring your kids in the room and you say, "Watch this, okay?" So, so tell them what happens. You're starting to make your comeback. Guys, this is one of the most amazing stories you're going to hear. So you're making your comeback, and what happens?

• 54:50Fallon Taylor?

  Well, I'd like to tell you my mantra of "It's gonna get rocky", and I'm gonna tell you the mantra that my dad told me the whole time throughout my entire career and me being very risky was, "Whatever you do, don't end up in a hospital because you'll die in there." And, you know, it just kinda rang in my head because I was riding dangerous horses and I was doing a lot of training, and then I started training around the clock because of the weather and I needed my bills paid, and I'm riding, riding, riding, and taking chances that I shouldn't have had to take, you know, just because I was not understanding my growth and I wasn't understanding my contribution. And so I was training really late at night in August in 2009. And I'm riding this horse that's fine. Everything's fine, we're training, everything's normal.

• 55:31Fallon Taylor?

  Um, my poor staff member was there with her boyfriend and it's just us lonely at night, lights on in the arena and, and I'm gonna train this horse and as I was taking off around the arena, um, this horse slipped kind of in a mud puddle. And it was not a big deal, you know, whatever, he slips and he was feeling frisky. And you kind of know that when a horse behaves a certain way, he's feeling a little frisky. I should've known better, I should've taken more precautions, but I didn't. It's what I do for a living, what's the big deal? And I start laughing, I start giggling and this horse starts to buck. And when I say buck, you know, horses can play and buck and they can crow hop and buck. This horse did something that's like a wild instinct. So he reared up, when he did, he broke all the bones on this side of my face.

• 56:15Fallon Taylor?

  And when he came down to the ground, I'm still laughing. I'm like, okay, whatever, and you know, in the cowboy industry, it's, you gotta be tough. You know? And so I start to pull this horse up and as I do, um, he hits me in the head again and I skull fracture in four places. Of course, I don't know this. And of course, I'm not wearing a helmet because that's just not the cool, tough thing to do. And he begins to buck a little bit more and I just decide that I'm gonna pick a place off over here to jump off, um, which is a terrible idea. But I picked a place to kind of jump off and when I did, he kicked my feet about 13 or 14 feet in the air and I landed straight down on my head and my legs just kind of flopped over and I was unable to move.

• 56:57Fallon Taylor?

  I was paralyzed right in that moment and what a tough place to be in, you know, because I was in this horrible relationship and in a spot where I'm like, who's gonna save me? You know, so all I have is my career. If I get hurt, I can't make a living. How am I gonna take care of myself? I'm in this horrible place. How am I gonna get up? I gotta get up. And so...

• 57:26Fallon Taylor?

  My friend came over, I was strapped down to a picnic table because I was too cheap to ride in an ambulance. So I get taken in a pickup truck on a, in a pickup truck on a picnic table to the hospital. And I get there and I start joking with the, the staff because it's just my way. And the lady in the front desk, um, my friend went in and asked for a gurney. And she said, "You don't need a gurney, that girl's out there telling jokes, quit being so dramatic." So, my friend that was a, a paramedic, they take me in, and they finally get me a gurney. I could've, I could've walked, I think, I think I could've. But when I got through the MRI machine and, and joking with the, um, the doctor that

• 58:08Fallon Taylor?

  was helping me, I kept telling him, you know, "Hooters closes in 15 minutes and we're really close now, like, let's go get some food. Tell me I have a concussion, let's get out of here."

• 58:16Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 58:16Fallon Taylor?

  And he came back in the room, he said, "You have a 2% chance to live."

• 58:19Ed Mylett?

  Oh my god.

• 58:20Fallon Taylor?

  And he said, "It's really been touching to get to know you." But he said, "The plane's running and you have 13 minute flight to think about your life. And I hope that you really take that time to think about what you're gonna do now. Because you're never gonna ride horses again." And, I'll never forget getting, I'll never, I don't know why I remember the guys' names, there were two guys named Russell that carried me to the plane and had me on this, you know, in the C collar and strapped to the table and I get to-

• 58:51Ed Mylett?

  Can someone get me some tissue, please? Someone grab one, thank you.

• 58:54Fallon Taylor?

  Um, I get to the hospital room and there, there's a whole nother story, um, in the hospital, but I was told again, "I have 2% chance to live, that I would never walk again." The neurosurgeon told me I was an absolute idiot for riding horses. Thank you. They don't stop, they come down and it's over.

• 59:14Ed Mylett?

  It's beautiful.

• 59:16Fallon Taylor?

  So, I had, I had a second to think-

• 59:21Fallon Taylor?

  And all I could think of was my dad telling me, you know, you're gonna die in a hospital. You can't, don't die in a hospital. And I'm like, this is crazy superstition that you're gonna die in a hospital. And I wake up the next day heavily drugged, obviously with a halo on. I had a girlfriend in the hospital tell me, they're gonna offer you two scenarios. You can get the surgery with the box in your neck, or you can get the halo, they're gonna shave your head. You're gonna have holes in your head. She said, go that way. I've seen this go a bunch of different ways. So when the doctor came in, I started bawling and I was like, I want the halo. You know, all I can think of is this cage on my head. I want the halo. At this point, I've called my mom and dad and told them that I was in a fender bender.

• 1:00:03Fallon Taylor?

  Because they're with their grandkids in California. I'm like, I'm in a fender bender, everything's fine. It's all fine, it's gonna be fine. And I've gotta figure out a way to get out of this hospital. So I get these nurses that come in and I say, hey, how can I get out of here? Because now I've got this real embedded childhood fear that I'm gonna die in a hospital. And I've got a damn good chance at this point with the situation I'm in.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  It's actually true.

• 1:00:25Fallon Taylor?

  I could die in here. So shout out to all the amazing medical professionals because it's just my own superstition. They did an amazing job. One came in, I said, I need to get out of here. And she laughed at me and she said, well, you know, when you can walk from one end of the hall to the other, then they'll let you out. But you're not gonna do that. You've got a long time. You need to settle in. You've got about six months you're gonna be here. So the next nurse came in and she said, she laughed at me and she goes, you know, she's writing, oh, you've got six months. You know, you just like settle in. And then the next lady came in really late on shift and she was amazing. And if I could find her, I would give her everything I've got. She came in and I said, how do I get out of here? I gotta get out of here. I really gotta get out of here.

• 1:01:09Fallon Taylor?

  And she said, well, you walk to the end of the hall and you come back, you can get out. And I said, well, let's do that. How do we do that?

• 1:01:18Fallon Taylor?

  She said, well.

• 1:01:21Fallon Taylor?

  You gotta get up and the big risk is, you know, if and when you fall down, you know, you can wiggle your fingers and toes and that's good. But when you get up, it's not gonna feel like you thought it was and you got all this equipment on your head. You're gonna hit the ground and then you could die. And I was like, well, they've given me terrible odds at this point, so what the hell? And it was just very cool, this lady, that moment, I, she has no idea what she did for me because she's just like, just, well, you know, I'm willing to try it. So she takes the belt and she ties it to the ceiling. And I get up and I fall down, just like she said I would. And then she said, if you just put one foot in front of the other, you know, you can get down to the end of the hall and it could take you months, but we're gonna try it.

• 1:02:01Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 1:02:02Fallon Taylor?

  It took me about an hour and a half and um, I got up and down the end of the hall. And I took all the people that, that didn't believe me, you know, the lady at the front desk and the nurses that came in. And I said, tomorrow I'm gonna deliver flowers to each and every one of you guys because you didn't believe. And maybe I can change your mind because other people are gonna come in here.

• 1:02:21Ed Mylett?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:02:22Fallon Taylor?

  And they need to know they can walk. And so the next day, I gathered up all my strength. Mom at this point knows that I've had, I've been structurally destroyed, is what I was told. She got called from actually a newspaper outlet that was interviewing for um, rodeo publication that had leaked my medical records. So my parents found out in that way, so now I've gotta do damage control and learn to walk. And I told mom, I said, we gotta go to the florist. I made him a promise. And so it was a really cool scene to watch all of these people that just didn't believe. Instead of me being angry at these people that didn't believe in my journey, to just shine a light on it and show them a different way.

• 1:03:05Fallon Taylor?

  So I went and got floral arrangements for every single person that told me I couldn't do it. And I walked in there and I walked to each of their offices. And I, I think, hopefully I gave them a gift that they can always have.

• 1:03:17Ed Mylett?

  You're amazing.

• 1:03:18Fallon Taylor?

  That they, you might not believe how I'm gonna do it. Um, but it gave me a lot of clarity too. Sometimes you're just not asking the right person. You know?

• 1:03:29Ed Mylett?

  I, you, wow. I think, uh, I think everybody should just literally go back and listen to all of this again.

• 1:03:37Fallon Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 1:03:37Ed Mylett?

  You make this, honestly, I'm gonna tell you something, this is like such a blessing to be here with you.

• 1:03:41Fallon Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 1:03:42Ed Mylett?

  It's a blessing to be here with you, thank you. I'm, I'm really moved right now.

• 1:03:46Fallon Taylor?

  Thank you.

• 1:03:46Ed Mylett?

  And I'm trying to not get too moved, so that I can still ask you questions, but...

• 1:03:51Fallon Taylor?

  It has a happy ending.

• 1:03:52Ed Mylett?

  I know.

• 1:03:52Fallon Taylor?

  It's such a happy ending.

• 1:03:54Ed Mylett?

  But it's a, I know, we're gonna go to there, but it's a happy ending because of everything you just said. That, there's, there's so many things in there, that we all have these people who don't believe in us and we're scared and...

• 1:04:06Fallon Taylor?

  And they're scared too. They're scared to tell me I can walk down the hall, cuz they know I can't. They're scared too.

• 1:04:13Ed Mylett?

  And maybe that's true for so many people, where you have these people in your life that are close to you, that are, are maybe pulling you down. Maybe they're just scared for you. Maybe they're scared for them that you're gonna leave them too, right?

• 1:04:22Fallon Taylor?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:22Ed Mylett?

  And everything that you have, and I, I just wanna acknowledge you, like, you're freaking amazing. Like, you're amazing. And, um, I just, now, just to be clear with everybody, this break was very serious, very similar to Christopher Reeve, right? And, I mean, not all that dissimilar injury, correct?

• 1:04:40Fallon Taylor?

  It's not, it's the same injury. So, when you break your C2, that's what controls your head going left or right. Um, and you have a very, very, very small chance of making it out on the other side. With a lot of neck breaks, this would be the, the one that you really don't want, you know, to happen.

• 1:04:58Ed Mylett?

  Unbelievable. I'm picturing you there. I mean, you tell the story so well, I can actually picture you. And I'm so proud of you. I mean, you're just, you're just remarkable. And, um, everybody that just heard this, I told them they were gonna be moved, but I didn't even know until you told it in front of me, how much it would move me. Um, it puts in perspective so many things that I think are big obstacles in my life that really aren't.

• 1:05:19Fallon Taylor?

  Sure.

• 1:05:20Ed Mylett?

  And so many things that I think are a really big deal. And they're not. And that is a big deal.

• 1:05:24Fallon Taylor?

  You wake up and wiggle your fingers and your toes tomorrow, you're gonna be like, "Oh, okay."

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• 1:07:40Ed Mylett?

  My guest today has a new book out called The Five Practices of Highly Resilient People: Why Some Flourish When Others Fold. And that is something we really are going to need to know a lot more of during this time. So, Dr. Taryn Marie Stasko, welcome to the show. Finally, it's great to have you here.

• 1:07:55Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. It's such an honor, and I'm delighted to be here as your guest.

• 1:08:00Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. I'm curious, this is a hard one. And I hesitated to ask this, but like, is there anything different you would tell a young you or a child? So if someone has a child and they're listening to this, or they're a young person listening to this, or if you could go back to you at 14, anything you would share with them about life or resiliency that maybe is more appropriate or better to be known young than to figure out later in life? Would have saved us all a lot of time or pain or angst in life. And I know it's a difficult question because it's not really out of the book. But is there something that, right when I said that, came to your mind?

• 1:08:35Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah. For me, there's kind of two questions in that question, right? There's the question about how does this work in form parenting? And there's also the question of like, what would I go back and tell my younger self, right? So you just received the book today, and there's actually, in the third section, there's a series of chapters on kind of specific experiences. There's a chapter on women and leadership, and there's a chapter on resilient parenting, right? And so the one thing that I'd say about parenting, and then I'll also share what I'd go back and tell like my 14-year-old self, I think one of the most powerful things, and it's simple,

• 1:09:15Dr. Taryn Marie?

  that we can do as parents is we can be the big person that we wanted to have when we were a little person.

• 1:09:27Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And you know, we don't all grow up with great role models. We don't all have great experiences. But we remember, we all remember what it was like to be a kid.

• 1:09:37Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And in that moment, when we fell down, when we were crying, when we were getting into trouble, when we weren't making a good decision, when we needed to be heard, right? Even if we didn't have a good role model for how our big people responded to us, we know what we would have wanted.

• 1:09:56Ed Mylett?

  That's so true.

• 1:09:58Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And so that means, in any moment as a parent, to be a resilient parent and to raise resilient children, all we have to do is tap into what would I would have wanted as a little person? And what can I offer now as a big person? And what that also does is it breaks the cycle. It breaks the cycle of negative behavior. It breaks the cycle of reactivity. It breaks the cycle of simply repeating what we saw because that's all we know. You know, many, many, many people can perpetuate a cycle. It only takes one to break it.

• 1:10:31Ed Mylett?

  That's right. I call that person the one. In every family, there's the one. And when you find a really happy family, or a very rich family, somewhere back in their lineage, they weren't. And then the one shows up. And I think a lot of times, people think when I say the one, they're like, oh, that's the warrior. That's the, that's the strong one. Well, yeah, you're probably gonna go through things that other people didn't necessarily go through, but maybe you didn't, and maybe you just had the courage to share it, and maybe it was your vulnerability. It's not a warrior or a grit thing. It's a deciding in your family that you're gonna be the one. It's a deciding in your life that I'm gonna change my family generationally forever. And those curses, or behaviors, or patterns, better said, in a family, can be changed by one person.

• 1:11:16Ed Mylett?

  And you're 100% right about that. 100% right about that. So, the last, chapter 12, by the way. You have resilient living rituals for a resilient life. And I'm into that stuff. I like rituals. I like, I think it, under pressure, human beings Operate back to their habits and rituals.

• 1:11:36Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Ed Mylett?

  When they're put under pressure. It's just a reflexive thing to do. We operate reflexively when pressure happens. And so sometimes adversity can create pressure. And so what are some rituals for a resilient life that someone can have?

• 1:11:49Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Hmm.

• 1:11:49Ed Mylett?

  That we haven't covered, because we've covered a lot of them.

• 1:11:51Dr. Taryn Marie?

  We have covered a lot of things, haven't we? Yeah. And I'll just say before I transition to rituals, what I'd go back and tell my 14 year old self.

• 1:11:58Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Dr. Taryn Marie?

  If that's okay, in case anyone was waiting for us to touch on that.

• 1:12:01Ed Mylett?

  In addition, by the way, when she said that I got the book, I got the hard copy of the book today. But the reason I know so much about the book is because I had a digital copy.

• 1:12:07Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yes.

• 1:12:07Ed Mylett?

  But go ahead, yes.

• 1:12:08Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah. So I'm a, I'm a, I'm a big believer in things happening for a reason.

• 1:12:13Ed Mylett?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:14Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And not in the like, we tell someone in a hard time, like, everything happens for a reason. Because I think that invites people to look outside of themselves for a reason, rather than to look inside of ourselves for the meaning that we want to make and how we want to answer those hard why questions.

• 1:12:33Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 1:12:33Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And so just as we talked about, you know, around loving, you know, our journey, loving ourselves and really integrating, you know, that sense of self-love for all parts, for all experiences. I wouldn't, I wouldn't change anything.

• 1:12:53Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:54Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Right? Because that brought me to the person that I am today. That brought us to sitting right here across from each other. And I love my life and I love the person that I'm, that I've become and that I am becoming.

• 1:13:08Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And that 14 year old girl could have used some encouragement because she was scared. And she didn't know how to make sense of what was happening to her. So I would simply go back and I would say to her, it gets better.

• 1:13:22Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 1:13:24Dr. Taryn Marie?

  It gets better. Hang in there.

• 1:13:26Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 1:13:28Ed Mylett?

  That's beautiful. And you know what? If I could go back and grab the young me, I would have, I would have loved someone to have said that to me, too. I actually, it leads to that question, too, about rituals, because I, um, one of the rituals I've tried to establish in my own life is to encourage people, is to believe in people. And I feel like anybody listening to this, like if there's, when you're feeling helpless, get helpful. And one of the ways you can be helpful in people's lives is to truly believe in them and to encourage them. And it's amazing that of all the things you could have answered that you could go back to, you basically said that you wish you could go back and encourage her. And most people, if I asked you, if you could go back at any point when you were a young person, you wish someone could come back and tell you, it's gonna get better.

• 1:14:13Ed Mylett?

  Everything's gonna be okay. I believe in you. You're amazing. To encourage people. So if that's the one thing you all wish you could have had more of when you were young, or you would go back and wish for yourself now, how powerful would it be to be, that be the way you are with human beings right now? If it's the one, and I think if I asked a hundred people that question, one hundred would give a very similar answer. I'd go back and say, everything's gonna be okay. It's gonna get better. You're amazing. I don't think there's a human that wouldn't answer that way, which is incredible, because human beings are so diverse and so different. And so why not behave as that type of a person in people's lives day to day? Because I know that's what I needed when I was young, when I was so insecure and so

• 1:14:55Ed Mylett?

  shy and so ashamed of what was going on in my house, and just like insecure and not that big of a guy and not that smart of a guy. And man, to just, I wish I could go back and hug that little dude and go, man, you're awesome. Everything's gonna be okay. It's gonna get better. Right? So I just sort of decided with sincerity and truth to be that person in people's lives as, as often as I can be. And so I just feel like our whole world would be a whole lot better.

• 1:15:21Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Agree.

• 1:15:21Ed Mylett?

  If that were the case. So that is a ritual of mine.

• 1:15:23Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Ed Mylett?

  What are some of those rituals that you talk about in the book?

• 1:15:25Dr. Taryn Marie?

  I love that. I love that. Well, you know, I think one of the issues that I've had with, um, other work on resilience in general, right? Is that, um, sometimes the other work that I've seen.

• 1:15:40Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Glosses over the, the real gritty parts of challenge, change and complexity. You know, it's, it's almost like, you know, you start watching a movie at the beginning. Kind of fast forward to the last five minutes and then everything's good again. Right. Right. But it's like, well, what happened in that expanse? Yes. You know, and so some of this work on resilience, I think, can feel like, well, we're all baking cupcakes. Right. And like, look, do you want sprinkles? You know, and, and folks are like, yeah, this whole resilience thing like, doesn't really resonate with me. It was because it's not real. It's not real. And it's, it's really about like getting into the, the belly of it. And so, you know, when we are going to change something about the way that we're living our lives.

• 1:16:23Dr. Taryn Marie?

  I think it's helpful to ritualize that. Or to create a new routine or a new habit. Right. And one of the things I really tried to do with this book was to not only give the practices and to not only do the inspirational storytelling and to not only tell some stories about my own life, but to really have people walk away with a lot of practical information around, if I'm going to do one thing different, what can I do? Right. So I think the first ritual is people actually asking themselves, right? It's me asking myself, you asking yourself, what is the highest value? One thing different I can do in my life. Biggest needle mover.

• 1:17:09Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Biggest needle mover. And that can be different for each person. Right. For one person, it might be, I am going to drink a full glass of water before I have breakfast or drink my coffee in the morning. Right. It's really small. And as you know, when we continue to do the things that we say we're going to do, like you talk in your book about not giving up on yourself. Right. And there's also a sense of self abandonment there that happens when we don't keep promises to ourselves. Right. So learning not to abandon ourselves. And to make a promise to ourselves that I'm going to do one high value,

• 1:17:53Dr. Taryn Marie?

  one biggest needle mover thing different. And again, the word biggest is in quotation marks because that's going to be different for different people. And then decide.

• 1:18:05Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And stick to that and don't give up on yourself and don't abandon yourself and just stick with that thing, right? And so some of those practices, right? In the book, like if we look at vulnerability, right? Vulnerability can be about saying, where am I going to go deeper in my relationships? The vulnerability bias tells me if I share who I am to a greater degree, if I allow people to know me and to see me, the three L's will occur. People won't like me, they won't love me, and they might leave. And that is an incredible fear that blocks our vulnerability. So when we look at the vulnerability

• 1:18:50Dr. Taryn Marie?

  bias square in the eyes and say, you know what? That one thing that I'm going to do, I'm going to share one thing each day that feels vulnerable to me. That's going to allow people to see and know me to a greater degree.

• 1:19:09Ed Mylett?

  In every interview, if it's a great one, something stands out to me that I didn't think would when I was reading the work to get in, and I just got it from you, which is not to abandon yourself. I've never heard that said before. Don't abandon yourself. Breaking those promises you make to yourself is abandoning yourself. Not being vulnerable with people is abandoning yourself. Not tapping into your resiliency is abandoning yourself. Not creating new habits and rituals that serve you is abandoning yourself. That is, that's a wow right there. Do you think of the three Cs, any one is more difficult? Is change the most difficult one? Complexity, change, I'm just thinking through them like, change is a biggie for people. I just like all three Cs are major, right? That's why

• 1:19:52Ed Mylett?

  you call them the big three Cs. But any one of them more difficult, do you think, than others? Are they all just depending on the human being difficult?

• 1:19:58Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah, I love that question. I really believe, based on my experience, that it's contextually driven and that it's driven by the human, you know? So sometimes in our lives, we might say, you know what? This would be, I would be fine with this if it just wasn't so darn complex, right? Like I think about like a health, a health diagnosis, right? It's like, okay, I got it. I integrate, this is my diagnosis, but darn it if it's not difficult to navigate the healthcare system and to know what to do next and how I wait, like that's just the, complexity is the hardest part, right? Then we think about losing someone that we love and that change of that person being here.

• 1:20:43Ed Mylett?

  Good point.

• 1:20:43Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Versus moving on to another place, depending on what people believe about that. That change is tremendously difficult. So I think it depends on the human and I think it also depends on the context.

• 1:20:54Ed Mylett?

  Tell them about Nelson really quick in the book. I want them to finish with really example of resiliency that they can remember that maybe they're all kind of, you know, you may know this, but you may not know this. So do you mind covering that really quick?

• 1:21:08Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Yeah, I'd love to. And I, I think this really goes back to what you were also saying about your own vulnerability and continuing to be on that journey. Because I think so often, you know, we look at people that have achieved great things and we think, well, they never had to go through what I went through. You know, their, their path was paved, their spoon was silver, right? And then that can become a reason for why we don't persist. That can become a reason for why we don't try one more time. And I think something that's really powerful, and this is going to pertain to the story, is that success is an answer. Failure is an answer.

• 1:21:53Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Not trying is a lifetime of not knowing. And so when we think about the story of Nelson, right? He was the one in his family. He grew up in a rural area. His family was largely illiterate. He had sort of a standoffish relationship with his father, very close with his mother. Then she passed away unexpectedly, which left a huge hole in his heart. He showed a flair for education where no one else in his family had, so he continued to advance and ultimately went to university. But then he sort of fell in with this crowd, right?

• 1:22:38Dr. Taryn Marie?

  That wasn't much approved of and they were about social action and they were about social change. And so he was expelled from school. And on his way back to his family's home, he got wind, or he got word that his father wanted to straighten the boy out. Right? And so his father came up with, you know, I don't know how you feel about this, Ed, but you know, I think this is really what we should be doing with children that are having difficulties, as he was going to get the boy married. Right? Because that solves everything, doesn't it? Right? Not where I would go. Right? So he finds out that he's to be married. Yeah. And he's like, ah, heck no. Yeah. Right? So he doesn't go home.

• 1:23:21Dr. Taryn Marie?

  He goes to a neighboring town where he has no resources, no community. And he starts living on the streets. And he becomes an on-again, off-again night watchman. You know, he's got no health insurance. You know, he, he doesn't have any contacts. He doesn't have any money to his name. So if we just sort of pause that story right there. And I were to say like, Ed, how hopeful are you feeling about Nelson's prospects? Probably nobody's going to know who Nelson is. Right? Right. You know, but we said he was the one. Yeah. We said he was the one. And what this is, is the lesser well-known story of Nelson Mandela. That's awesome. Right? And this is so powerful. Yeah. Right? Because, and I, and I talk about this on my podcast, right?

• 1:24:05Dr. Taryn Marie?

  Like Flourish or Fold, and it's about the well-known story, or the lesser well-known stories of well-known people. Right? And I think it's, I love that you asked this question because I think it's so important for us to share the behind the scenes. Right? Because otherwise, we look at Nelson Mandela and we're like, he persevered through prison. He became a global leader. He dismantled apartheid. Right? But look at what was happening in the backdrop. And in interviews, he literally points to his difficult childhood and the adversity that he faced as the things that actually formed him to be able to take on greater and greater challenge. Yep. Over time.

• 1:24:47Dr. Taryn Marie?

  And so, you know, if we think about wrapping up with this story, I think it's important.

• 1:24:53Dr. Taryn Marie?

  It's been important for me to remember if I speak from my experience, right? That nobody has a paved path. And that behind the scenes, we never really know what's going on.

• 1:25:06Ed Mylett?

  Right. Most importantly was that you've created your right narrative. And Nelson took that story of his life and turned it into a narrative that served him. And that's why your work is so profound. Really glad we finished on that. It like ties everything together. This has been a great conversation. We've been doing ads for Tommy John forever. They're my favorite ads to do because I'm a raving fanatic, not just a client, because that's what they have. And I want to pick his brain about that and life in general. So Tom Patterson, welcome to the show.

• 1:25:36Speaker 05

  Thanks, Ed. It's an honor. I'm so grateful to be here.

• 1:25:38Ed Mylett?

  But if someone was to start right now and said, hey, I think I'm going to become an entrepreneur. This is sort of an open ended question. I want to become an entrepreneur.

• 1:25:47Ed Mylett?

  But I'm not really totally sure where to start. This thing you said earlier in the interview about solve a problem, that type of thing. Do you think everybody is an entrepreneur? Or do you think that that's reserved for a certain type of person?

• 1:26:01Speaker 05

  That's a great debate. I mean, I, I think I have a different answer at five year periods. I think everybody has a million dollar idea.

• 1:26:11Speaker 05

  I think some people are struggle with the discomfort and the uncertainty. And being an entrepreneur is all about uncertainty.

• 1:26:19Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  You have to be ready to move and pivot and change. And again, I'm going to go back to sports, like sports and being that Roomba vacuum and failing. And I had this coach that said to me, Tom, you're never going to increase your capacity to grow unless you fail. And if you don't fail, you're going to be an underachiever in life. So by not failing, you're not reaching your potential. And I think for me, I always got pushed and wanted to drive more, more, more. And I think seeing entrepreneurs and seeing the type of family and the type of life that they were living, it was really inspiring for me. I wanted more. I wanted to do more. I wanted to travel more. I wanted to be around different personalities. So for me, I think,

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  it's a question, are entrepreneurs entrepreneurs born or made?

• 1:27:07Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:07Speaker 05

  I think for me, it was probably born. I had lawn mowing businesses.

• 1:27:12Ed Mylett?

  You do.

• 1:27:12Speaker 05

  Dude, I shoveled sidewalks and snowbowed sidewalks before basketball practice in high school. I would knock on doors and ask to do the mowing for the summer. So I always worked and I was always curious about making, learning ways to make more money. But I would say for anybody here, I didn't have the perfect network. I didn't go to the perfect school. I didn't have the perfect connections. I didn't get the right internship. It was really people. I have LA cars in Scottsdale when I went to college. I sold cell phones at a kiosk in, you know, Fashion Square Mall in Phoenix. But those people skills and interacting and understanding how to read nonverbal cues, that EQ part, I think, really prepared me

• 1:27:54Speaker 05

  to be in a position to see the signs or opportunity to start a business.

• 1:27:58Ed Mylett?

  Mmm.

• 1:27:59Speaker 05

  And I think that there was a preparation through my childhood and through things I was involved in that allowed me to see those signs.

• 1:28:07Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  So, and you know, but I didn't grow up in an environment of entrepreneurs.

• 1:28:12Ed Mylett?

  Me either.

• 1:28:12Speaker 05

  My parents weren't entrepreneurs and you, you say this, middle class, I would say we were middle class, maybe at times lower or upper, but middle class is the hardest one to get out of.

• 1:28:22Ed Mylett?

  It is.

• 1:28:23Speaker 05

  And I often, times I wonder how, how did I get out or why did I get out? And I wouldn't say, I don't know if I have the perfect answer.

• 1:28:31Ed Mylett?

  I don't know either. In my case, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking of listening to you. You just said some more real brilliant stuff that I want to unpack there. But like, I think, like, my dad wasn't an entrepreneur. I don't know any entrepreneurs in my family. My grandfather worked in a union, right? My grandfather was a printer. So what does this come from? I, I remember when I was a little boy, I had, I used to sell sodas at the golf course and candy bars through the fence. I had that little business when I was young. Then I had a baseball card business. Then I had an auto detailing business. So somehow, as a little guy, I was experimenting with being an entrepreneur and wanting to make money and wanting to expand. And then I, one thing I always had, I think you have too, I've always been fascinated with growth. And I think sports, to your point, sports gave me that competitive thing you talked about

• 1:29:16Ed Mylett?

  earlier, sports gave me and you both the ability to deal with and accept failure, almost like, of course, I'm gonna strike out, I'm gonna get out seven out of 10 times, of course, you're gonna miss a jump shot, right? You always miss something, right? Of course, I'm gonna drop a pass, or, you know, so, I think that helped. But you said something earlier, man, that I have never thought of before, which is this notion, I'll probably say it wrong, but that, to be successful, you actually have to become comfortable being uncomfortable. But then you said the reverse, and it describes me very well, and you. I'm uncomfortable being comfortable now. I gone all the way the other way. It wasn't, my problem is not being comfortable being uncomfortable, my problem is I'm uncomfortable being comfortable.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  Or content.

• 1:29:59Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:30:00Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:30:00Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. And I think that, it's like, man, I want that to be on some speech I give, because that's a really profound thing that you just said right there, and super describes me. What was the, what's a hidden huge benefit, I ask hard stuff, what's a hidden huge benefit of making your dream come true, most people wouldn't know about? Forget just the wealth, or you could travel, I mean, he could live anywhere in the world, dude lives in South Dakota, like, so he's not like, you know, so what's, what's, no offense to South Dakota, some of my really good friends are there, but it's not-

• 1:30:31Speaker 05

  I invited you, there's parts you'll like.

• 1:30:33Ed Mylett?

  There are parts I'd like, but I'm not going there, I can tell you right now, I will not be there in January. But, I will go there with you, but, but, and especially the golf place that you described, we need to go do that. Having said that, though, what's a little, give us all, you know, what's a little thing that happens, and I'll give you mine after you give me yours, that you didn't think would be cool about making your dream come true, that now is?

• 1:30:53Speaker 05

  I think, you know, there's, I'm still always surprised about how many people are aware of the brand.

• 1:30:59Ed Mylett?

  Gosh, it's so huge.

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  Right? It still blows my mind, blows our mind, that people are so familiar with it and wear it, and the types of people that we meet, that are wearing it, that have not met us, that didn't know our brand values or beliefs, and just found the product, it's connected, and it's just, it, one, it creates a lot of fun conversations, which we've had, of just the underwear category by nature, but it's, it's got us in a lot of rooms, that I would have only dreamt of being in. And it's one thing to get in the room, but it's another thing to stay in the room. And I think there's-

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  Jim talked about this where we were like everybody in this room fought to get in this room, right?

• 1:31:40Ed Mylett?

  Jim Rome.

• 1:31:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, Jim Rome. There's this mutual respect for some of the rooms because a lot of people don't understand what it took or the sacrifices that were made to get in there. And it's like, man, it's not lonely. There's other people that have been here.

• 1:31:53Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:31:54Speaker 05

  Right? And I think when you're running a business is really lonely. There's not a plan. There's not a playbook. And for me, that's been one of the most exciting things to meet, honestly, like you, meeting your heroes, meeting people that have impacted you in so many ways and just not it being awkward. My grandpa taught me, he's like, treat everybody the same, whether it's the front desk receptionist, the janitor, they're all people at the end of the day. And I think for me, one of the gifts I've realized I have is I'm not intimidated by people, but I have a lot of respect for people. And people are like, how is you get to this level that you're at? I'm like, I've never been scared to ask questions. I've never been scared to send Kevin Hart some product and talk to him on the phone.

• 1:32:37Speaker 05

  At the end of the day, there are real people that wanted to be treated just like anybody else.

• 1:32:42Ed Mylett?

  You're right.

• 1:32:43Speaker 05

  Right? Nothing makes you more uncomfortable than being treated like you're this.

• 1:32:47Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  Fanning out.

• 1:32:48Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 05

  And I think being around people and just getting to know them, who they are behind closed doors, there's been, I think, one of the really cool, exciting things about building a business, but it wasn't the intent.

• 1:32:59Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:59Speaker 05

  That's just, I think, a side surprise benefit of it.

• 1:33:03Ed Mylett?

  By the way, I think you're right about that. And the thing is, is that I think what everybody, I want everyone to hear, and the reason I asked you the question is, there's lots of side benefits, to use your term, to making your dream come true that you can't imagine right now. And there will be lots of things, there'll be an experience or a moment, or I think for me, it's all the stuff I didn't calculate as I was doing it, because I think when you have a dream, you kind of picture you in the dream. But for me, it was when I got to the other side of it and live it now, it's all the things I never dreamt of doing for other people, or moments I could be there for somebody when they need me, that I didn't calculate that. And if you would have told me back then, the reason I want everyone to hear this is, if you would have told me back then... That you'd be able to do this, that, or the other thing for another person, I'd have worked even harder.

• 1:33:48Ed Mylett?

  I'd have taken more hits. I'd have gone through more pain if I knew that the dream wasn't just about me. But it's about all these other people, these lives you can affect and you can impact in small and big ways. If I'd have known all that was gonna come with the package of winning, I'd have gone for it even harder and faster. I've gone bigger. I'd have, I'd have done more. So there's, I want everyone to know this, there's more that comes with making a dream come true than you can even possibly imagine. And as good as you think it's gonna be, in many ways, it's, it's a thousand million times better. But maybe not even in the way, like having lots of money. It's cool, right? But it's probably, I don't think it's quite as cool as I thought it was gonna. Not being broke is super cool, right? But being super rich, I don't, it's not quite as cool as I thought it would be.

• 1:34:33Ed Mylett?

  But other parts that come with it are for me. Is that the same for you?

• 1:34:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think once you're, you've been poor and struggled, you wanna do everything possible not to be there again.

• 1:34:43Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:43Speaker 05

  Right. But I think you brought up a good point. It's something I wanna talk to you a lot more about after this is, you know, this success, this significance transition that you've made, right? Had you made that earlier, right? I think as you go on, how do you make sure you're impacting others? And I think they always say, the people that you can, you probably said this, the people you can help the most are the ones who are walking through the path that you walk through.

• 1:35:05Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:35:05Speaker 05

  And I think if there's one person I can reach today, or 10 people, or you can send this to someone that has a story that resonates with what we're talking about, that's really what people wanna hear. And I think anybody that's listening, that's the beauty about podcasts and YouTube today. They're like these master classes and, and like blinkist Cliff Notes on the stories.

• 1:35:25Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 1:35:26Speaker 05

  And I think a lot of people get caught up, I read this one, I heard this one, I listened to this one, but they're not taking any action. And the hardest part is, people know what to do. The hardest part, I think, I, I keep seeing is just getting started.

• 1:35:38Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  You know, well, they did it this way.

• 1:35:40Ed Mylett?

  Like, let's talk about that for a second, cuz you're right. Like if I could figure that out, we'd have way more millionaires, way better marriages, way more parents raising wonderful kids, whatever it might be in life, way more people creating cures for diseases. What is that thing that got, like, you just started? Like, if we go all the way back to the beginning, I'm thinking to myself, this dude has no fashion background. He's walking around selling these medical devices. All of a sudden, he wakes up and goes, I think we should have better undergarments? Like, what the? And then you go to the fashion district, and I know where that place is. That's not the most comfortable place to go. You make a couple freaking shirts with the Donald Duck thing on there, and now you're

• 1:36:21Ed Mylett?

  sitting in my studio with a brand that everyone that's listening to my show has heard of before. Like, there's gotta be a part of this, like, on the spinning earth, your existence on 2008, the dude you were, flash forward 15 years later, bam, like, it's gotta be unbelievable to you. But you did get started, right? Do you think it's because you were naive and you didn't know how hard it was gonna be? What do you think it was that got you started that holds other people back? Is it they wanna be perfect? Like, what is it?

• 1:36:52Speaker 05

  I just didn't wanna play it safe. You know, I wanted to play it big and go big or go home. And for me, I wanted to take a big swing and see if I could do it, right? I like getting out of my comfort zone and doing uncomfortable things. So I think when we started, that was really the mindset, really, to do it. But I don't know, I think everybody's different. I think some, like, this uncertainty, or how it's gonna be perceived, or I don't wanna live a life and, like, downsize and go from two cars to one car. But if you're not comparing yourself to the others, like, the keeping up with the Joneses mentality, like, I don't know anybody that's made it that didn't struggle, that didn't go through the tough times.

• 1:37:35Speaker 05

  And there are very, I think, more exceptions than aren't. So I think for us, that was really just the mindset that we had.

• 1:37:43Ed Mylett?

  One of the things that I think is the most important things as it relates to winning, and it's one of the things that you can decide you're going to do without any natural giftedness, because it's the number one talent you must develop in order to win. And it's not talked about on social media, you're not going to get it in a personal development tape and a peak performance program, self-help and any of it. Remember this, the best ability is availability. Did you hear that? The best ability is availability, that you are available to win. Not enough people understand that this is an actual skill and talent. Most people in business or in life, whether it be relationships or the financial part of their life, they're always looking for these little tips and skills that you should develop. How to communicate better, how to be a better listener,

• 1:38:27Ed Mylett?

  how to suppress your ego, how to influence people, how to transfer energy, all these things that I teach, how to deal with failure. But I believe the greatest talent that you can draw a line through all the people who have won, not all the people that win in business or life are unbelievable transfers of energy. Not all of them can close, not all of them can persuade, not all of them are great listeners. Not all of them even dealt well with adversity. They did that the majority of the time. But all of them have in common, they develop the talent, and yes, it is a talent, it is a skill of not quitting. I don't think most of you right now that are struggling in your business life right now are giving yourself enough credit for this incredible talent you're developing, which is resiliency, which is the ability not to quit. Listen to what I'm telling you, if somebody has built multiple different companies,

• 1:39:10Ed Mylett?

  I've coached some of the top athletes, entertainers, business people and politicians in the world. And I'm telling you that even in my own team when I hire people, I look for resiliency and a notch above that is the talent, is the skill of not quitting as the number one thing that I look for. And many of you right now listening to this possess the number one skill necessary to win and don't give yourself any credit for it, which means it's not helping build your confidence, it's not going to the bank of crediting for your identity. And so although you possess this incredible ability that so many people in the world don't have and don't possess, you have it and you don't value it, you don't prize it, you don't give yourself credit for having it. It ought to be where you draw your line.

• 1:39:53Ed Mylett?

  Draw the majority of your confidence from the ability to say, I don't quit. I'm resilient. I own the number one skill, the number one talent required to eventually win. I already have. I can't quit. You'd have to kill me to get me out of chasing my dream, right? So number one, I want to point it out as the number one gift. The best ability is availability. Do you have it? Have you decided to have it? Is it something you're going to possess the rest of your life? And those of you that do have it already, I need you to take an inventory, be aware of it and be intentional with crediting yourself as you're listening to this or watching it today into the bank of your self-confidence, into the bank, into the deposits you make in your identity, because it has everything to do with winning.

• 1:40:35Ed Mylett?

  Every guest you've seen on my show, all the people that I've coached, all have different talents, skills and abilities. What's the one they all have? The ability to stay present, the ability to stay in the fight, to have not quit. You'd think, well, that's not a big deal. Really? Because as I've been talking, millions of people made the decision to quit on their dream, just as I've been talking to you. The rest of the day, millions more will, tomorrow, millions more. Every day, literally millions of people quit on one of their dreams, their dream relationship, their dream business, their dream body. So quitting has become the number one habit in the world by people that end up losing. And I'm telling you, it happens every day, every second, everywhere. Just the fact that while I've been speaking, you're still after your dream, you're ahead of them. You don't give yourself enough credit.

• 1:41:20Ed Mylett?

  Because eventually what I found, it looks like winning is this huge competition. But every day, every week, every year, every decade, as time goes by, you're going to find that you're competing with a smaller and smaller and smaller group of people for your dream. Because so many of them will just quit. And by the way, many of them that quit will possess talents, maybe even gifts you don't have. Their incredible ability with people, their incredible strength, their incredible brain. And they'll quit with all this giftedness, but you got the talent. You have to learn to distinguish between something that is a talent and a gift. You can develop skills, you can develop talents. Gifts are something you're born with. But the people that I see that win long-term are the ones who develop the talents and Skills required to win.

• 1:42:04Ed Mylett?

  Business and life is a lot like a pinata. You know, I was at a barbecue, a birthday party for a five-year-old a while back and they did a pinata. I haven't even seen the pinata before. And it's an unbelievable metaphor for life. In fact, out of, we had a call today, the life is like a pinata. Because it really is. If you look at these kids at these parties, any of you that ever been to a pinata, you can picture it. They got the pinata up there. What do they do? It's just like in business and life, when you start something new, a new relationship, a new body, a new pursuit, a new business, right? What do they do? They take this little five-year-old and they blindfold him. They blindfold this little guy, right? And he can't see. He doesn't know where he's going. And then they spin him around. He gets completely disoriented. Right? And then they hand him a bat. It's scary when you watch it. Don't you picture

• 1:42:48Ed Mylett?

  these little kids, right? You blindfold them. They spin them around. They become disoriented. Does that sound familiar to any of you that are trying to build a business right now? You're completely disoriented. You're blind. You don't know where to go. They spin this little guy around. They hand him a bat and they go, "Hit the pinata." And the pinata is over to the right and they're swinging to the left. They're just whiffing, right? They're not even in the right direction. And then finally, what do you do? You grab the little guy or the little girl and you turn them and you have them face the pinata. They were completely disoriented. In fact, they were doing more damage to the people around them in the beginning with that darn bat you gave them, because they're so disoriented. Lot of damage was done before they even faced the actual pinata. They've been blindfolded and spun around, right? They're completely disoriented. Doesn't that sound familiar? It's just like building your new business. It's just like trying to transform your body.

• 1:43:33Ed Mylett?

  It might be just like this brand-new relationship you've got. And in fact, the people around them are in danger in the beginning when you give these little guys this bat. Maybe that sounds familiar. Maybe right now, you're at this stage in your business, or you've been there before, where there's been more damage done than there's been progress. You know what I'm talking about? The people around you have been more hurt by your new venture than benefited from it. Your relationship with them is not as good. Maybe financially, you've hurt them, or feel like you have. There's been a lot of damage. But what do we do with these little guys? We eventually take the little girl or the little boy, and we point them in the right direction at the pinata. That's when you find Ed Mylett's podcast. You find his teachings. You find his YouTube channel, or someone like me, and I can point you in the right direction. And then what do these guys do? They take the bat and they're hitting the pinata as

• 1:44:16Ed Mylett?

  hard as they can. And they're hitting it, and they're hitting it, and they're hitting it. And no candy comes out. And they get tired, don't they? And they just, they can't go anymore. So what do you do? You get help. And you add a teammate, you add a friend, you take the blindfold off of you and you get a little help. That help could be a new recruit in your business, a new employee, a new vendor. It might be a new mentor. And we put the blindfold on them, we spin them around and then they're disoriented, they're swinging it. They're not even hitting the pinata yet, they're hurting the people around them. Then what do we do? We take them, we point them in the right direction, now they're following my show. Or great teachings. And they hit the pinata as hard as they can. No candy comes out. You take another child, new teammate, new recruit in life, right?

• 1:44:58Ed Mylett?

  But in the pinata, there's another child, you put a blindfold, spin them around, and they hit the pinata. And they're hitting it as hard as they can, and it feels like no progress is being made. No candy's coming out. Right? And then eventually, they're getting it and hitting, and they get tired. And you think, man, how often they hit this pinata? What happens is sometimes, the first few kids who hit the pinata, they kind of disappear from the party and start playing somewhere else. Maybe you've had that experience in your business, some of the people you start with, they may not finish before the candy comes out. They may not be there. May not be there to celebrate. Right? Some of the initial people disappear, and that could cause you to want to quit. But eventually, what happens with that pinata? Even though these kids are hitting the pinata and they're teaming up, they're all working together to try to make this candy come out.

• 1:45:41Ed Mylett?

  It doesn't look like it, but each shot on that pinata is putting them closer to the candy. Even though it doesn't seem like it, even though you can't see the candy, every blow is like a compound pounding effect. That pounding, compounded by multiple people, eventually can create a breakthrough. But what most people do is they leave the party before the candy comes out. That's true in business, most people quit before the candy comes out. They don't stick around long enough, they got spun around, they get disoriented. They might hurt the people around them, they get pointed in the right direction, they think they're making progress, then they don't. And they think they're making progress, then they don't. And eventually, because no candy's coming out, no money, no change body, no amazing relationship,

• 1:46:24Ed Mylett?

  they stop swinging the bat at the pinata. But if you stick around for the party long enough, you know what always happens with a pinata? Eventually, someone hits it, and bam, the candy comes out everywhere, and everyone celebrates. celebrates and gets all the candy and dives on it and celebrates. Here's what I'm here to remind you of today. You've got to stick around long enough for the candy to come out. You've got to wait for the candy to come out of that pinata called your life, called your business, called your body, called your relationships. The vast majority of people in life don't stick around for the candy. Because they think as they're hitting the pinata of their life, they don't think they're making progress. It doesn't feel like progress. But I'm telling you, the number one ability is availability.

• 1:47:06Ed Mylett?

  And if you keep swinging away every day, even though it doesn't feel like it, you are getting closer to the candy. You're getting closer, it just doesn't feel like it. You know what I had? I had the ability to keep hitting the pinata in my life, to stick around long enough. And by the way, when you eventually win, it's not just you that gets all the candy, that gets all the victory, that gets all the money. Lots of people around you, many of which who you were hurting originally with that bat. Many of them who were trying to talk you out of it, they get to celebrate in the candy too. My prayer for you is that you begin to think about this analogy. The pinata of your life, the pinata of your business, the pinata of your body. As you're swinging away, I'm here to tell you, even though it doesn't feel like it,

• 1:47:51Ed Mylett?

  you're getting closer to the candy. And if you can add more people to celebrate, it's okay that you feel disoriented. It's okay that it feels blinding and you don't know exactly what direction to go. Just like these precious babies with the pinata. It's okay that you miss it once in a while. It's okay that you get tired once in a while. But as long as you keep after it and you keep pounding away that compound effort of your pounding, I can promise you there's candy someday. And everybody around you will jump on it and celebrate. That's my wish for you today, as you listen to me. Of all the skills I'm going to teach you, that I've taught you. And if you've not listened to my other shows, I teach you about listening, transfer energy, how to close, how to change your identity, how to live blissfully dissatisfied,

• 1:48:33Ed Mylett?

  how to unlock your success code, all of the very detailed things I teach. Today is the most important thing, is that as you learn all these skills. It'll help you with the blindness. Every single skill you learn, you'll see clearer and clearer and clearer. But if you don't develop the talent, the number one skill in the world, which is to keep hitting the pinata and to stick around until the candy comes out. Because here's the deal. Someone's gonna get the candy in life. There's always candy in life. That pinata eventually always breaks down. Do you want to be the person who was there in the beginning, hitting as hard as you could and sacrificing, and maybe hurting the people around you? And never get the candy? Or are you gonna get something for your pain? Are you gonna get something for your effort?

• 1:49:16Ed Mylett?

  Are you gonna get something for this sacrifice you're making? You gotta get something for this pain. You gotta stick in the game until the candy comes out, and then we all get to celebrate. That's what I want you focused on today. I promise you, there's a pinata in your life. And right now, many of you feel blind and disoriented, maybe even hurting the people around you. Some of you are past that phase, and you're hitting your thing hard every day, but there's no candy yet. I promise you, there's gonna be a payoff for you. And that's my message for you today.

• 1:49:45Ed Mylett?

  This is The Ed Miliband Show.