Big Crime Energy w/ Jordan Carlos (Re-Release)

This week, Jordan Carlos joins us to discuss how, during the 1970s, the FBI hired Mel Weinberg, a career con man, to tackle some of Washington’s biggest politicians. This story inspired the movie American Hustle! Laci and Jordan dive into growing up in Dallas near the same churches, driving a Ford, and the con of writing ad commercials. Plus, Late Night Talk Show Host John Oliver is scamming the scammers…Congress, that is. Stay schemin’!
 CON-gregation, make sure to catch Laci's new TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jordan Carlos: @jordancarlosofficial Research done by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/last-week-tonight-john-oliver-recap-season-9-episode-7-congress-data-1335598/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/obituaries/mel-weinberg-dead-abscam-informant.html https://www.nj.com/inside-jersey/2013/11/jersey_hustle_the_real-life_story_of_abscam.html https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/abscam https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/expulsion/140HarrisonWilliams_expulsion.htm

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:27Speaker 02

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard, but then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 1:43Speaker 03

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• 2:18Speaker 02

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 2:20Speaker 03

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• 2:43Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? We're back with another installment of Scam Goddess. It's me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. This is a podcast dedicated to robbery, fraud, conery, all those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. I'm very, yes, excited. Y'all know the deal. Y'all been here, congregation, pull up. I'm very excited for today's guest. Someone who I've seen on television so much that when I saw his face, I was like, oh, okay, yes, love this. Y'all know I be, I have too many jobs. I have more jobs than a Jamaican. And so I be tired a lot. But so happy to be here.

• 3:26Laci Mosley?

  He is a comedian, an actor, a writer, a producer. His credits include the co-hosting of the Adulting Podcast with Michelle Buteau. Love Michelle Buteau, love the Adulting Podcast. Get into it. Everything's Trash is coming out on Freeform. Okay, so get into the Freeform moment. First Wives Club on BET. And The God's Honest Truth with Charlamagne. Congregation, like, I feel like the next Samuel L. Jackson, where you win again this Book of World Records of just being on so many TV shows and being in so many things. That is Jordan Carlos. Like, Jordan is out here and in all the things. Welcome, Jordan.

• 4:07Speaker 05

  Thank you very much, Lilly. That is, I am definitely not, I will, you know what? I'm just gonna take those flowers. Thank you very much.

• 4:14Laci Mosley?

  No, take them. We get the flowers when you were living, when you breathing, you alive. Like, I always talk about, I wanna be at my funeral. Like, I gotta have a fake funeral so I can see people crying and be sad about me and saying nice things. Like, I need to be there. Like, we gotta give people flowers while they're alive. Like, I don't want no Instagram comments when I'm dead. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to see. I don't know if they got Instagram in heaven.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  Am I gonna be able to check my feed when I'm dead? I don't know.

• 4:42Speaker 05

  I don't know. That's a, that's a great question. Is there Instagram in heaven? Probably not. I think people just say to your face what they love about you in heaven. And it's kind of just like dashing off a little something.

• 4:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause like we'd be like, oh, my relatives watching over me. And I think about that. And yes, I hope that my grandparents are watching over me. I love them so much. I hope that all my relatives who passed are watching over me. But then I be thinking like, when do they get to watch? Like, are they gonna be watching when I'm using my rose masturbator? Like, I don't want them to watch over me then. If I'm at an award show, y'all watch over me, but don't be watching over me if I'm getting it in. Like, I feel like, I hope that there's limits in heaven where you can't watch over people.

• 5:21Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm sure there are windows. And there's, there's some things that they don't want to watch. You know what I mean? Like, they're probably, they're probably watching Gilded Age or something like that.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  What if it's like, your, your dead relatives are like, oh, we, we want to pull up on Lacy. They're like, not right now. She fucking.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  That's when they watch Bad Girls Club. No, that's when they watch, they watch something else. They watch 90 Day Fiance the other way. They, they watch other things.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  Don't watch over me when I'm doing bad shit. Watch over me when I'm winning an award or, or you know, doing something that she would be proud of. Don't be watching over me when I'm doing hood rat shit. They're like, you don't want to go down there right now. She's.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  I think my, my relatives are definitely in heaven watching over me when I put pitted dates in the blender and forget to take the, the pits out. So I think that, that's kind of my MO.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  That's, they're speaking to you. I hope the ancestors, cause I do feel them when I cook. So I hope that they are watching when I cook. Like, they go, let's go into the kitchen. Y'all pull up, all the ancestors, but don't pull up when I'm doing mess, please.

• 6:20Speaker 05

  Like, yeah, they're there, they're, they're there at all times. Just remember that. That, that's how they, that's why it's like, you gotta act right all, all the time, all the time. You know what I'm saying? So.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  But, but come on now, we all need our private moments. That's why I'm like, but at the same time though, I feel like if I'm the ancestor, I would be trying to look and see the mess. Like, not, not, not, not my relatives having sex, but I, I do want to see the mess, like.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Absolutely. You want to see the mess of these parts. I know, I know, if family reunions, it's like, we get together, it's great. It's just, it's, it's, um, you know, it, it's, it's almost like. You're not even broaching the surface. It's just kind of small talk. I'm gonna get to the nitty gritty. I want to get to the nitty gritty. I guess I gotta.

• 6:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, speaking of the nitty gritty, Jordan, I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? It could literally be anything.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  I am, I'm more in awe of scams. You know what I'm saying? Like, I, I observe from afar. One of my favorite shows of all time is American Greed. I watch American Greed like all the time. It's so sad. I was like, why am I watching so much American Greed? And then they said, scammers often look at the work of other scammers to learn and study. And I was like, oh, that's, they talk about me. They talk about me.

• 7:32Laci Mosley?

  Not they talk about me. No, why am I in this photo? Untag me. Yes. I love this. I always say, and y'all, I know the congregation is tired of me saying this, but scamming is a job. It is a profession. It is a learned practice. If you are really doing it, you, you are. Charles Ponce led to Bernie Madoff. You know, like, the girls got the blueprints and they ran it up. So scamming is definitely something that has to be like apprenticed, like.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  Absolutely. I mean, let's talk about the, the panty on the great scammers. I mean, even like, I was just really happy that, um, Elizabeth Holmes kind of made it in.

• 8:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love this.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, that she made it in because, you know, it's just an all-boys book.

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  It is. And she lowered her voice, and she was Silicon Valley hot, and she wore the turtlenecks, and she dropped out of an expensive college. She did the A, B, C, and the D of scams. And she also did the tiny thing. Like, all technology, we kind of oscillate between, oh, it's tiny and technology that makes it fancy. Cause remember when our phones were so little that you could barely like put your fingers on them to like flip phones, Nokia's? Like, our phones used to be very little. And then they were like, okay, this is too little. We need to bring it up a size a little bit.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, now we say no to Nokia. Like, it used to be back in the day, like a Sony Flip or a Nokia was everything. That was like, that was the apex of cool.

• 9:03Laci Mosley?

  A sidekick, that dumbass bootleg BlackBerry that you slide up. Paris Hilton had one and I was like, I need me a sidekick. What's going on T-Mobile?

• 9:14Speaker 05

  Jay-Z, the Motorola two-way pager, like, all these things. I was like, I need that in my life. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, it's important that I have these things. And now it's big. But I feel that scammers, there's a very thin line between scammers and CEOs anyway. So I'm just like, yeah, so I'm, I'm really kind of like delving into that. Cause I'm like, that really, that, that puts me in total awe. Like, I, I'm so enamored of that, of the way that like, rogue CEOs can like build a corporation, but really it's kind of like a scam. But aren't we just all fed on scams anyway? Like, isn't so much of our life just a scam? Like, I mean, I love Coca-Cola, but Coca-Cola is just like sugar water?

• 9:57Speaker 05

  And like, I like that more than Pepsi. Like, what, like, what am I really, like, isn't it all just? Yes. You're selling on a feeling. And that's what a confidence person does, right? The confidence person just sells you on a feeling. Like, like, wasn't, Peloton was valued at a 51 bill, right? And then they had to knock it down to nine bill, because somewhere along the line, somebody said, these are just stationary bikes. You know, like, that's with, with an iPad attached.

• 10:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but it's a stationary bike with an iPad. You, you got a friend with you, working out with you in your office, in your living room, in your closet. Like, it's, it's vibes.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  I feel you.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  It's giving vibes. I, I'm acting like I own a Peloton. I don't right now.

• 10:43Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 10:44Laci Mosley?

  I say it right now, because I might get roped into that scam. But I, I love especially Peloton, because that always makes me think of that commercial that went viral, because it was the Peloton commercial where they gifted this beautiful, very thin white woman. Her husband gifts her a Peloton. Then she takes all these videos, like, working out, day three, and she looks like she's trapped. She don't wanna be doing it and we're like, girl, do you need help? Blink twice, blink three times. Like Peloton got you like this, what happened sis? Like, but then Peloton had the last laugh cuz during the pandemic when all the gyms closed, they were like, aha bitch, where you gonna workout now? How you gonna have a workout instructor if you can't go to the gym bitch huh?

• 11:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gonna get on this iPad motorcycle and you gonna pedal away in your home. You're gonna get on a bike and go nowhere bitch.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  Do you think Peloton started the Wuhan virus, is that what you're saying?

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  Low key, that's my conspiracy theory right there is that Peloton is the whole reason that COVID started cuz they were like, oh bitch, we're gonna get y'all. You gonna be on a bike going nowhere. Can you imagine like any other thing than a stationary bike that's mobile? Being stationary, you would be like, this is insane. If you just got into a car, you just was like pedaling like the Flintstones but it didn't go nowhere. If you got on a Lime scooter and you wasn't going nowhere, it's dumb. It's very dumb to be on a bike that does not move.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  You're absolutely right, you're absolutely right. They have those for like swimming pools and it's like you can do a lap pool, it's like a lap and it's just the water moving.

• 12:17Laci Mosley?

  The water pushes against you, yes, so you can't go far cuz of the tension, yes.

• 12:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:22Laci Mosley?

  I know those pools.

• 12:23Speaker 05

  Also, you could just go to the Y.

• 12:25Laci Mosley?

  Right? Listen, my favorite thing before the pandemic was I would always feel like Olivia Pope, like a black girl icon cuz I would go to the wave pool and I'd do my laps and swim and I was like, look at me. Look at me.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, oh sure, as a black one in the wave pool.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  The president.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  A boy and a black woman? Fucking the president, it's handled, it's handled.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I was handling it in the pool thinking about my life, just like Kerry Washington. Love that for us. That bitch got me on wine, popcorn and swimming laps. And I loved it.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  I think it's more or less like this, it's like we love to be filled on a kind of like an idea or a notion or a feeling. So if you can sell a feeling to us, then we don't worry about anything else, you know?

• 13:14Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, it's getting a little too deep though, like the commercials, they be selling feelings where it's like, oh, a family and then the mom had a miscarriage and then her second baby came out and then at the end they'd be like, tied for your laundry. And I'm like, wait, wait a minute.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Exactly, exactly. I mean.

• 13:35Laci Mosley?

  This is a laundry detergent commercial? And there's a Tide commercial that literally made me cry when I went to college. It was a black family. And they're playing this song. It was like, "Take me home to my family." I was crying. And I was like, "I am crying at a Tide commercial. What is happening?" This doesn't feel right.

• 13:55Speaker 05

  That's, I used to write, I used to write commercials for a living. So I can tell you right now, yeah, we have to tie in, the first was like, we would try to go for the heart. Go for the heart, the heartstrings. Something that universalizes, then we, then we try to personify, make sure that whatever we're selling, the product or service is like a, like a person, like a good neighbor. You're in good hands. You know, like, so you try to.

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  You were good hands. Allstate dropped me. Um.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  Oh, that's like a neighbor.

• 14:23Laci Mosley?

  Too many accidents.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 14:25Laci Mosley?

  And then the black man from Allstate showed up and said, "You're not in good hands anymore."

• 14:31Speaker 05

  I'm handing you off. Like.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  I'm handing you off.

• 14:35Speaker 05

  I feel like, but that's, that's what, what people do. If they make a product or service, they gotta make it so that there is like a human connection. To make that human connection that might be missing in somebody's life and think that that product or service will fill.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  And now I have feelings about Tide.

• 14:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. I got tied every time. I get tied every time.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  Tide is my mama?

• 14:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:53Laci Mosley?

  Tide is my granny? Tide is watching over me?

• 14:58Speaker 05

  Tide got you. Tide got you. Tide was those other pair of feet on the shore where Jesus was carrying you.

• 15:05Laci Mosley?

  That's the next commercial, Jordy. You might have to hop back in and throw him a few ideas. I know you booked a busy, but you might have to go back and be like, Tide got you.

• 15:12Speaker 05

  Tide got you. Like you spilling ragu on your shirt. Tide got you.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  Tide got you. Tide got you.

• 15:21Speaker 05

  I mean, that's it exactly. If you think about it, that's a beautiful scam. I mean, every slogan is a scam, right? So if you're talking about, uh, like, you, you, you talk to people's heartstrings, like their insecurities, right? The insecurities about health, wealth, all that kind of stuff, right? So it's like, and appearance.

• 15:36Laci Mosley?

  And I learned all of that. I have a marketing degree. And I learned all of that in school, like taking marketing classes, taking classes where we made ads and ad campaigns. I learned that all, a lot of advertisement is like telling you, you don't have enough. Telling you, you need more things.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 15:56Laci Mosley?

  Guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. Scam!

• 16:02Speaker 00

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• 17:17Speaker 01

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• 17:29Speaker 02

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard, but then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 17:45Speaker 03

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• 18:20Speaker 02

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Ask your loved one's doctor about...

• 18:23Speaker 06

  Rexulti.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. And what's hot in fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist. And more often than not these days, y'all know, we get a listener letter. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired, because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag, okay? So, run it up. And then when you're done running it, call me, because I want to know about it. And we're talking about cars, and that perfectly goes into this story, or this letter. I need a fake name for this person. Gender doesn't matter. Come up with anything, Jordan.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Nebuchadnezzar.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  Nebuchadnezzar?

• 19:14Speaker 05

  I'm very biblical.

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  Is that what you said?

• 19:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I'm very biblical like that.

• 19:19Speaker 05

  That's, I'm very biblical.

• 19:21Laci Mosley?

  Amen. So you were raised in the church?

• 19:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, stop, please. I was there, like, we used to go back, we'd do one service in the morning on Sunday, then come back in the evening for evening service.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  Now, wait, was any of your family in the clergy? Because my papa was a deacon, so I was always at church as a kid. No?

• 19:39Speaker 05

  No.

• 19:39Laci Mosley?

  So y'all was just kicking it?

• 19:41Speaker 05

  We was just fans of Jesus.

• 19:47Laci Mosley?

  We're Jesus's number one fans. And we gotta wait outside the church after the service, so we can, wow.

• 19:55Speaker 05

  We went so hard for Jesus.

• 19:56Laci Mosley?

  At least my papa was a deacon. I had to wait out the church so he could count the money. And I sang in the choir. And one week, the choir director, Ms. Pat, who was married to our preacher, was like, oh, well, we gotta let somebody else sing this week. Like, you can't sing every week the lead. And I was like, but why not? I was like, God gotta use us, and we all gotta be used with our individual gifts. And y'all trying to let Sherman sing, and his gift is passing out the, um, uh, pamphlets. His gift is, uh, walking around with the offering tray, but his gift is not singing. Like, if we're doing Jesus's bubbling in my soul, like, let me sing it, because it's gonna bubble down, like.

• 20:42Speaker 05

  I mean, wha- wha- hold on, where did you, where are you from?

• 20:46Laci Mosley?

  I am from Dallas, Texas, and the church that I grew up in is called Oak Grove Missionary Baptist Church.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Baptist Church, yeah, I know.

• 20:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm a missionary Baptist.

• 20:54Speaker 05

  I'm from Dallas.

• 20:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're from Dallas?

• 20:56Speaker 05

  I'm from Dallas, yeah. I went to Monger, and I went to New Hope Baptist Church. Yeah.

• 21:04Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 21:05Speaker 05

  It's right there.

• 21:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 21:07Speaker 05

  I know, Grove.

• 21:08Laci Mosley?

  My first introduction to a scam church was going with my cousins to the Potter's house, and I remember being a kid.

• 21:15Speaker 05

  Whoa, this is the end of the podcast.

• 21:19Speaker 05

  What you not gonna do? What you not gonna do?

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I love TD Jakes, it's no shade. I was just very alarmed as a child when people came around for the.

• 21:32Speaker 05

  I gotta talk about.

• 21:34Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 21:37Laci Mosley?

  When people came around for the offerings.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  You know, you got the love offering on pastor's anniversary. You got, there's like tithing, and then you also have another offering, right? But when the credit card swiper came around, I was like, oh, wait a minute. And yeah, it's technology. You don't got cash to give to Jesus, you gotta give Jesus crypto. I get it, but.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  People in Dallas can hear this, Lacey. People in Dallas can hear this. So we love you, we love you TD Jakes.

• 22:08Laci Mosley?

  We do love TD Jakes.

• 22:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, we love you, uh, Jordan Collins, love you TD Jakes, didn't talk no mess about you. I love that you own that house on White Rock Lake, bruh.

• 22:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad that we're bringing this up too, because I had Jacquet's Neil on another episode in the past, and we got dragged because they, I thought that the preacher's anniversary was them celebrating their wedding anniversary, and I was always like, why we gotta pay for them to have a honeymoon? Why we, why we bringing them chocolate covered strawberries for them to like get it on in his name? What's going on? And it's the anniversary of the pastor at the church, and I don't know how I grew up in the church for that long and never understood that pastor's anniversary was his anniversary for being at the church and not his anniversary. With his wife.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  His wife, right, right, right.

• 22:54Laci Mosley?

  As an adult, I go on high holiday.

• 22:57Speaker 05

  You're a CME Christian.

• 22:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I am now. Cause it's like Easter Sunday, Christmas, like it's certain times, Mother's Day, yup. Like there's certain times where I gotta have my black ass in the church, cause that's just how I was raised. I gotta, we gotta get into this hot and frosted.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  Get into this, get into this letter.

• 23:19Laci Mosley?

  Give me the name again. I already forgot it. Never can ask him. Okay, so Never, Never says, hello, hello. Oh, giving us a church greeting. Hello, hello. Yes, Never.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Hello, hello.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  So, to kind of explain without over explaining, I appreciate that, cause I done told y'all. These letters sometimes are too long for me to read on the main podcast. I need y'all to tap, tap it down. Like, give, give me the, the points, like, it's giving novel, and what we need is tweet. You know? Two hundred forty characters, stop, you know?

• 23:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:51Laci Mosley?

  Um, so, not to over explain, I'm getting scammed by corporate America. Of course you are, cause that's what always happens to all of us. My vehicle is a twenty ten Mercury, which is made by Ford and uses the same parts. There was a recall issued on the steering system briefly, and basically it explained that the steering wheel power on my car will suddenly turn off while driving, making it extremely hard to turn the wheel. After finally finding a dealer that would accept my vehicle and then attempt to do the recall and repair, the, that Ford promised to pay for, I'm left waiting for the critical parts and carless for over two months now. The dealer keeps telling me that the repair cost is a hundred percent covered,

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  but there is not available parts to perform the repair. I roll, that's what they wrote. What good does that do me? I know. And I'll pause here just for one second, cause I wanna say, I had a Ford Focus, and the one that I had was a lemon, basically, and look, Ford, I'm not shaming y'all. If y'all sponsor this podcast, I love Ford, but when I had a Ford, I got recall notices all the time, and you better than me, cause.

• 25:08Laci Mosley?

  I would get a recall notice in the mail and I would open it up and it'd be like, hey, the doors might fly off your car.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  Real quick.

• 25:16Laci Mosley?

  Just wanna let you know, and I'm not even playing, it literally said like, the door might fly off. And I was like, well, I'm not gonna get that checked on, like, I'm just

• 25:25Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 25:26Laci Mosley?

  Put my seatbelt on and hope for the best.

• 25:29Speaker 05

  Please tell me that you have a cover on your phone.

• 25:32Laci Mosley?

  I do, I have phone cases all over my phone. I have all the phone cases, I got the case, I got the screen protector, I drop my phone constantly.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  But you ain't, but Ford, you're not worried about that? You just gonna keep rolling, just like?

• 25:46Laci Mosley?

  Why? Why would I keep going? You better than me, sis, I'm glad you did this. So, uh, they said, I dropped off the vehicle in January and it's now early April and I've been calling to receive updates. On the last call I had with the service manager, I asked him to give advice on what he would do if he was in this situation. And his words verbatim were, in quotes, "I would curl up into a ball and cry." What?

• 26:11Speaker 05

  Interesting, helpful.

• 26:12Laci Mosley?

  It's not service? And that's literally what they said, this is not helpful at all. So, beware, if you ever have a recall specifically for a Ford recall, make sure that there's available parts for your vehicle repairs or you might be in the same boat as me without a car or feeling very stressed out.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Could it be better for this person to just sell their car for parts? They get that cash and try to get a new car?

• 26:32Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, that might be the move.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  You sell it for parts, yeah. I'm just saying, you sell it for parts, absolutely, get those parts, those essential parts, the chassis, this, that, third. And then like, you sell that, then you should have enough for a down payment on another car.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  That might be the move, y'all, cuz don't sell your car back if the girls aren't trying to give you another car.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  So, in addition, they say, when I first dropped off my vehicle to get repaired, I rented a car for two weeks because I thought that that would be a sufficient timeframe to allow for the work to be done, which it should have been, two weeks, fix my steering wheel. Also Ford, yeah, come on now Ford. Like, we try to buy American, but it's very ghetto and it's like, look, I love Detroit. I, I want the auto business to boom, but I need y'all to do better. Cause I got so many recall notifications on my American made car.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  Oh, for real?

• 27:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, oh, the door's gonna fly off. Oh, hey sis, the brake might stop working. Do you need brakes? Like, would you like to stop when you go? Is that something that you want? Cause we didn't think when you had bought it that you needed to stop. We just thought you wanted to go.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  Keep going.

• 27:48Laci Mosley?

  No, I think.

• 27:49Speaker 05

  You know?

• 27:50Laci Mosley?

  I think we all wanna be able to stop.

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  I just think that's an essential part of a car.

• 27:55Speaker 05

  Accelerate forever.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna get to my destination and fly past it, cause I can't stop. I'm not trying to tuck and roll out the car to get to the destination.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  All you gotta do to pull up is just get that emergency brake going. You get the emergency brake. You fishtail like Fast and the Furious 10?

• 28:18Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna have to crash every time I need to park.

• 28:21Speaker 05

  You gotta do, you gotta do it like Vin Diesel. You gotta, there you go.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna do Tokyo Drift.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  No, you gotta Tokyo Drift. It's great. It's great.

• 28:29Laci Mosley?

  No, it's cool. Just run into the wall.

• 28:33Laci Mosley?

  Tell your homie who you driving, like, unlock that door, girl, cause we almost there. And we gonna have to hop out.

• 28:41Speaker 05

  Just do a nice ninja roll. Just talk and roll. You're good.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  I don't like that for me. Ford, I don't like that for me.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  I think this is great advice to give this person.

• 28:52Laci Mosley?

  They said, when I fell victim to the scummy practices of a rental company. So she got the two week rental, thinking that was all I was gonna pay. Now she falling into another scam at Hertz. She says, I paid for a $470 rental through Priceline online prior to receiving my car. And then once I picked it up and signed for the car, I was also charged an additional $560 plus a $200 deposit. That's another $760. Like sis, you did it on Priceline.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  How am I renting a car and you like, hey girl, so good that you're here. Uh, we gonna need another G. What?

• 29:29Speaker 05

  We gonna need to hold that. Was she paying with a debit card? She's not saying, so maybe she was paying.

• 29:34Laci Mosley?

  Maybe. I explained to the counter agent that I was using my own auto insurance, but somehow restricted to signing up for their coverage as well. I was under the impression that my signature was for me waiving my right of coverage if I did damage to their car. I also thought this $760 charge was the deposit and would fall off of my credit statement. But only the $200 fell off. I am disputing the charge with my credit card and looking into legal action to prevent this from going into my credit report. Another scam and stuff, because credit came up in the 80s. Like, a bunch of old white dudes were like, let's make credit. You know?

• 30:11Speaker 05

  I feel so bad for this person.

• 30:13Laci Mosley?

  I do too, but I do want to say, this person is saying rental car insurance is a scam. And I used to think that, because you can put your, if you have car insurance, a lot of coverage, like, plans will let you put your rental car on them, so you don't have to pay that extra money. If you are a good driver, go up. Do that. I'm a bad driver. I did it once,

• 30:36Laci Mosley?

  where my mama, my mom calling you out. I was on the phone with my mama, and she was like, we have good insurance, like, just put it on the insurance. And she forgot that I'm a terrible driver. I got into a fucking car accident and totaled a rental car. It had to pay out. And it was like I ran up on a curb and like hit some city property on my way to shoot single parents. And I was like, well, I still gotta get to work, so I'mma call an Uber and be out. Like, y'all deal with the car, take it away, I don't know. Like, and I had, and then that went on my insurance and I had to pay for it. And then my insurance was like, girl, we actually don't fuck with you anymore.

• 31:17Laci Mosley?

  You a bad driver. Like, girl, we already had your car in the shop because of the transmission just stopped on the Ford that I had. It was like, we good. We actually don't want to move no more. So I already had a car in the shop and then I wrecked a rental car and they were like, alright, uh...

• 31:33Speaker 05

  You're out here on demolition derby. First of all, they made you self-report on single parents. That is a hate crime. I don't like that at all. Okay? They need to get the, get the Teamsters down here. I'm talking to Teamsters right now. Hold up. TD Jakes, you know what I'm saying? Those Teamsters just love to come early, way before your call time. They're like, we coming at five. Like, yo!

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  I should not be on the road. It's just, it's not fair to everyone, including me.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  It's all a scam. You know, I mean, I feel like this person, uh, they, they just seem like really, I bet they have kind eyes and work with children. You know what I'm saying?

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but also like, we all have this kind of social contract when it comes to businesses, where when you go in, we all sign the contract without reading every line item. We all get the update on Apple. Apple be like, we got new terms. And honestly, the new terms could be like, also, we can have your kidney. Like, if you on life support and we decide to pull the plug at Apple, we gonna get your organs. And I, and I've signed it. Like, I can't read all of that. No one reads it all. So we all have a social contract of not reading the contract, because we trust that it's not gonna be no wild shit in it. And so this person is saying, like,

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  read those rental car tr- contracts. And like, I'm with you. I'm with you, miss.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  How can you do that when you're at the counter? That's really hard to do, but it is important.

• 32:57Laci Mosley?

  That's what's, the thing about scams, is that a lot of times we get scammed because of our desperation level. We call it the Despo Meter. Like, if you need a car, you don't have a car. If you need something, it's like, I'm leaving with something. I gotta, I gotta do this. And so then you sign your life away.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Oh, Lord. I mean, that's true. That's true.

• 33:19Laci Mosley?

  Or if you're broke, you might click on a link that's like, oh, you gonna make a thousand dollars, turn it into ten thousand dollars. And you're like, I could really use ten thousand. I'mma click on this link, and then they just stole your whole identity.

• 33:31Speaker 05

  I feel like, listen, I think that OnlyFans is always available for people with nice feet. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can do, you can do a lot of things without having to show...

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  What's your toes looking like? Because you might have to become a toe professional.

• 33:45Speaker 05

  You did good with the foot deal out here.

• 33:46Laci Mosley?

  If you've listened to this podcast, you know I used to bartend foot fetish parties.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  No, oh.

• 33:53Laci Mosley?

  In New York at Karma Lounge on First Ave.

• 33:58Speaker 05

  And you know what? I don't even mind feet, but that's too much feet.

• 34:02Laci Mosley?

  It was a lot of feet, but the foot community was very nice. They tipped very well and I love them. Shout out to the foot, the foot girls and thems and they's and men. The foot community was very kind to me, so I'm not mad. I never busted my toes out.

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  But honestly, it's just because my feet in person, like, not that good. I always tell y'all, please boost my WikiFeet. Keep me at 4.5 stars. Because it's a lie. It's a scam. My feet look like I've been dancing in bricks and playing in glass and, you know, kicking walls. You know, they don't, they're not, they're utility feet.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  Worse.

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  I get a, I get a manicure.

• 34:45Speaker 05

  What, what, what are feet, like, feet keep you up?

• 34:48Laci Mosley?

  Some people got feet that are sexy feet. They look good.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  I actually have ni- I actually have nice feet.

• 34:54Laci Mosley?

  I feel like, I was about to say, I feel like you have nice feet.

• 34:57Speaker 05

  I have nice feet. I have nice feet. They're nice, they're veiny, but not too veiny. It's good.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  I like a little veiny-ness. That means you're healthy and then strong. Oh, man. I look at what you put your feet on the Zoom. I might be a feet person myself. Don't tell on Zoom for me.

• 35:13Speaker 05

  Too exploitative. Hate to see a dough foot. A dough foot is the worst. You know, a dough foot, just like, it's like if somebody's foot is just like dough. It just looks like pounded pizza dough with this toast sticking out.

• 35:27Laci Mosley?

  Dough foot. I like when a foot looks soft. I like all the feet. I might be a foot person. Maybe that's why I enjoy bartending.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  I think you might be a foot fetish.

• 35:36Laci Mosley?

  This is good for me. I'm having a good time. I get to see some great feet and make money. Why not?

• 35:43Speaker 05

  But I think the scam is that sometimes people can be apologists, right? So it's like if we want to buy American, if we want to go for it, I'm with that too. I'm with that too. You know what I'm saying? I try, I try to do that as, as much as possible. But, but you can't be an apologist to the point of a fault where it's like you, you're, now you're like a sucker, right? So eh, I feel like you have to use that agency, like get out of the scam, get out. You know, my friend just got hacked on Instagram and, and I, right? And so like that person, all they wanted to do right away with a lot of broken English was to scam all the people's friends. And like, and they were sending me these weird messages and.

• 36:24Laci Mosley?

  Trying to get you to click on a link, trying to be like, oh, this is me, your friend. Hello, this is me, you friend. And I need you friend to click on Lanka. It's supposed to be link, but it's spelled like Lanka. Like, yeah, there, it's, it's wild. And so.

• 36:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:44Laci Mosley?

  This person said that I felt pressured to sign something I thought I understood, but clearly did not understand, which we've all been in that position. And even more scummy was the verbal agreement from the counter agent. It was completely different than what was written and what I actually signed. And then in a little quote, she has face palm, I know, I know. No, listen, if you're writing to this podcast, I will not judge you. There is no judgment. I've been scammed. I've run scams. We not judging over here. I understand you, you needed a rental car eh, and times was hard. And I get it. And also like, your car was in the shop to no fault of your own. The, the girls hit you up and said, do you need to stop? Do you need to turn your wheel?

• 37:28Laci Mosley?

  Like, is wheel turning important to you and your vehicle?

• 37:32Speaker 05

  Find that to be fundamental to your driving? You know, I, I feel like, I, I will say that this person has like heavy Aquarius energy and doesn't like conflict. Heavy Aquarius energy, doesn't like conflict.

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Aquarius. Yo, tell us what sign you are when you hear this. And then at the end it says, please, all young, experienced people, ask one hundred and one questions about a contract that you're signing, even if you think you understand. Make sure. I know everyone doesn't have a trusted, experienced person to help them out.

• 38:02Laci Mosley?

  So just make sure you can educate yourself as much as possible. And then they said, please don't make fun of me too much. It's been a stressful 2022 for me so far, but I thought my story might be like bring awareness to some other young person. We're not gonna drag you sis. We're not gonna make fun of you. No. I absolutely have been there. Outside the rental car agreement and it went down bad.

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• 40:33Speaker 02

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• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  And we're back. And talking about American hustle, sc- American hustle, let's get into historic hoodwink. I'm going to regale Jordan with a famous Connor Caper group of criminals. We're going to get his opinions all throughout. And let's see what the vibes are. So we're throwing it back. We're throwing it back. I want to note that the story is heavily sourced from Ted Sherman's NJ.com article, Jersey Hustle: The Real-Life Story of Ab Scam. Okay, so y'all get into that. Go on over there, see what Ted was talking about after this, because it's good. What started as a routine operation to catch art thieves turned into a massive FBI operation

• 41:24Laci Mosley?

  that employed a con man and shady operators to tackle some of Washington's biggest politicians. Years later, it would become the loose inspiration for the movie American Hustle. So at the beginning, Go Ab Scam started in July of 1978. We weren't alive. With a routine operation to catch prominent figures from the New York City undercover world in illicit dealings. So they were like, we are gonna, we're doing our hater job, and we're gonna stop the people from getting their bags. Because that's what government institutions do, their haters. Meter maids, the biggest haters in the world, honestly.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  Wow, it's true.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  I hate it because I've been ticketed so many times, but I low-key also love it because I be seeing them sons of bitches waiting at meters for the shit to expire.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  You never, you never taken quarters? I sometimes just do like a quarter, like a meter angel? And I'll just like put quarters on it.

• 42:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love you, Jordan. You're a meter angel?

• 42:33Speaker 05

  Sure. Ruin people's, but you ruin the meter maid's day.

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, cuz look, they trying to get them markups, especially at the end of the month. Like whenever they gotta turn in their quotas, I see them become more aggressive. Now, sometimes I understand. Cuz I'm like, yeah, it's traffic. We do need these cars out of the way. But a lot of times I be hatin'. And they always something be like-

• 42:54Speaker 05

  Straight boo boo.

• 42:55Laci Mosley?

  I already started writing the ticket. That's their favorite line. You walk up to your car, you run up to your shit at the restaurant, and they're like, I already started. I'm like, bitch, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. You're still writing down my VIN number right now, you raggedy bitch. Leave. Walk away.

• 43:10Speaker 05

  Like they're like, I can't, I can't, once I start writing, I can't, I can't stop writing. I can't do it. I will say this, um, that scam, that, that racket, that, that kind of like, um, what they were trying to do, that operation, I thought that was amazing. And, you know, more amazing was the movie. I mean, like, hey, Jeremy Renner, you got Christian Bale and Amy Adams. I love that movie. I didn't even know what it was about, really. At the end of it, I was like, what happened? You know what I mean?

• 43:34Laci Mosley?

  You don't need to. And that's what we love about it. I love, I love leaving a motion picture being like, huh?

• 43:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're like, yeah, real American hustle did take place.

• 43:43Laci Mosley?

  I had a good time, but what? Like, what happened?

• 43:46Speaker 05

  Then I guess, Lacey, I scammed you because guess what? I was alive in July, nineteen seventy-eight. I was born in February, nineteen seventy-eight. That's all right. I got, I do a lot of cardio. I got good knees. And I got, I got a very boy, I got a boyish hair, head of hair. That's, that's what it is.

• 44:01Laci Mosley?

  Boyish face. I definitely didn't think you were alive in seventy-eight.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  A lot of, get my eight hours a night, try to get my eight hours a night.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  Drinking water, water. I can tell.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  Well, my people come from Mississippi. You know what it is. You know what it's, we don't-

• 44:15Laci Mosley?

  Wait, you from Mississippi too? I have so much feeling Mississippi, Jackson and Biloxi. A lot of family.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is getting really weird.

• 44:22Laci Mosley?

  We might be cousins. And now we both live in Dallas. Are we cousins? Yeah, I'm glad that, okay. We might be cousins. We really might be.

• 44:31Speaker 05

  That's a weird thing because what, isn't it weird about Mississippi where you have to actually be like, are we cousins?

• 44:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, bro. People didn't understand that my, the only relationship I've ever had in my life was in college and I brought him home because I told my family I was in a relationship. I said, I told them, I was like, if I tell them I'm in a relationship with you, they don't want me to bring you home. You're gonna have to come home. So my parents fooled him out and my mom threw a party for August birthdays. My mom's a big Leo. She gonna throw an August birthdays party just so she can have everybody put their eye on them. And it was also because it was like, we gotta make sure we're not cousins. Like, come home, let's do the family tree and make sure we're not cousins. Uh, we gonna, we gonna figure it out. We gonna have the ancestry. We go ancestry because it might be.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  So, this is the story of them, the FBI and the I, hiring all of these people to help them uncover these illicit dealing art people, right? In order to pull off this extensive operation, the FBI hired a bona fide convicted con man. That con man was Mel Weinberg.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Weinberg, for reference, Mel was depicted by Christian Bale in American Hustle. So now we're looking at Mel.

• 45:50Speaker 05

  Well, hold on.

• 45:51Laci Mosley?

  Mel got a cigar in his mouth. He looks like he does crime.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  Yo, that is. That.

• 45:57Laci Mosley?

  If you just constantly have anything in your mouth, a toothpick, a cigar, if you have an oral fixation, you are a criminal. I have one. If you need something in your mouth.

• 46:07Speaker 05

  Committing to your criminality.

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  I am. If you got something in your mouth all the time, you do crime. That's what.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  This guy, oh my God. Oh, yeah, that is Christian Bale in the movie. Yeah, yeah.

• 46:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's Christian in the movie.

• 46:17Speaker 05

  He was just drinking olive oil the whole time. Yeah, damn.

• 46:20Laci Mosley?

  How did he get that thick? You know? Actors love to like get thick or lose a bunch of weight to be like, I really am dedicated to the role. Not me. You'll never see me changing my physical appearance for a role. No, thank you. I'm good.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  No? Come on. You don't want to be like, like, uh, what's his name? De Niro? You don't want to be like De Niro?

• 46:41Laci Mosley?

  I don't want to be like Charlize Theron in Monsters. Shout out to her. Movie's fire, but I'm not gaining weight and plucking out my eyelashes from my eyeballs for a role. No.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  But she got the Oscar for that. That's what it takes. I would like to do that for, for like, they didn't even ask me.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  I want us both to get the Samuel L. Oscar where they're just like, you've been in so many movies, we owe you one. And then they just give it to me. Like, you made motherfucker iconic. Here's your statue. Like, that's what I want. I'm not trying to change my appearance and pull out my eyebrows and cut my hair. Like Fontaine in Les Mis. I ain't trying to do that.

• 47:20Speaker 05

  Do you think Sam could win it? Cause I feel like Sam is almost too much of a stage actor, cause he started in stage. That it's hard sometimes to translate to the screen, exactly what people want on the screen.

• 47:29Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. It's all a scam. Cause like, there's just entertainers who are entertaining. And we know who the girls are, and Sam is one of the girls. So it's like, if y'all not gonna throw him his gold statues, y'all playing. Like...

• 47:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. They gave Will Smith the statue. I didn't get to see.

• 47:47Laci Mosley?

  Woo! Yep.

• 47:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  And now he can't come back for ten years, Sha. What?

• 47:53Speaker 05

  Oh, Lord. Oh, Lord. What'd they do? What'd they do?

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  Too much. So Mel was such a legendary con man that even one of his victims, a Pittsburgh laundry owner, said in quotes, "Oh, he was good. It was worth the money to watch him. He was very smooth." I love that. You got robbed. You said I had a good time. And I love that. I want you to have a good time getting robbed. Among the many scams he committed, Mel sold cheap Italian glasses to Italian-Americans by sticking "Made in Italy" stickers on them. They was trying to support their community. Love it. He offered loans to people with bad credit for a thousand dollar processing fee and would tell them they weren't approved and refused to give the fee back. No.

• 48:39Speaker 05

  That's gonna make a lot of enemies.

• 48:41Laci Mosley?

  That processing fee is too high, but Mel looked like he got hands. He looked like he in the mob. I don't think I would ask for my thousand dollars back. I'd just be like, wow, Mel, this hurts.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  He got big old sausage hands.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  Mel, you look like you've definitely killed several people and I don't wanna be on that list. I don't wanna be in that number. When the saints go marching in. I'm not trying to march right now to the, to the kingdom and to the king. Take me to the king, but not right now, later.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  Right, right, right. So let me ask you this. So, so this is, so that's Christian Bale. But what about the, what about the Jeremy Renner character? Who was that?

• 49:19Laci Mosley?

  So we're gonna see.

• 49:23Laci Mosley?

  It's an elaborate fake investment company.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 49:26Laci Mosley?

  He, and he earned a million dollars untaxed annually from this investment company. Mel said, "It was the biggest, sweetest con game ever born and a hell of a moneymaker. I was very democratic. No matter who sent them, I scammed them." Wow.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  He got a million dollars from being like, "I am going to give you a loan, and you gonna pay me a thousand dollars," and then the loan never came, and then he took their money. Wow. I've never seen a business like this. Your business is robbery. You literally just robbed people and made a million dollars.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  That not a Rocket Mortgage?

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  According to Mel, he operated on the philosophy of hope. Okay, Obama? Hope and change, give people's change. He was hoping that people would give them their change.

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Love it, love it.

• 50:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So when his victims were God, they were still hoping for the real deal. So the victims would get God, and they were like, "No, he gonna come through. Mel's gonna do this. He's actually gonna give us the money." And he was like, "No, I'm not. I'm literally running on vibes." Just vibes.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Turns out, turns out, this vibes, Jay.

• 50:44Laci Mosley?

  The FBI arrested Mel in nineteen seventy seven when a Pittsburgh real estate agent who was scammed finally went to the F to be in the I. And then he got arrested. He managed to get out of it by agreeing to help the FBI in exchange for not serving the three years in prison he had been sentenced to. Which is something that is so common in America. If you're a good criminal, if you're an excellent, top notch, A plus student criminal. The government will be like, oh, girl, can't we, you don't gotta go to jail. Can you just teach us?

• 51:16Laci Mosley?

  Can you just tell us the ways?

• 51:18Speaker 05

  You're too good. You're too good.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  You're too good for prison. We actually need to be like, do you want to do a TED talk for the F to be in the I? We would just love your feedback. So that's what he became. And I love that. He was like, I'm too good of a criminal. You want me to ride in jail with all these skills?

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Like you can't, yeah, you can't put like LeBron.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  No, you don't put LeBron in prison.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, you don't do that.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  You have him teach you basketball.

• 51:48Laci Mosley?

  Tell the girls how to do the layups and the lay downs. I know basketball, like.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  You're good.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So the agreement also came with a hefty payday, about a hundred fifty thousand dollars, as well as a promise that they weren't gonna go after his English mistress. Evelyn Knight as his accomplice. Ooh, I saw I know you doing stands. You got a bad bitch with an accent. Let's see Evelyn. Cause I need to know, is she a baddie with an accent?

• 52:17Speaker 05

  About the ride or die. It's about the ride or die. Okay.

• 52:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, Evelyn. You better lay down. You better lay down in this photo. Evelyn was a baddie. This is before retouching. This is before we had airbrush. This is before we had Facetune. So Evelyn was a certified baddie. And she was British. And I think I trust British people more. Like if you start talking to me like this and I'm like, give me your social security number. I would be like, oh, absolutely. Like you can absolutely have my social security number, you bad bitch from England.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Absolutely, because down deep in our reptilian brains, because we were once ruled by England, we'll do whatever they say.

• 52:54Laci Mosley?

  Right, we like, that's our aunties.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, they're like, oh, oh, please, give me more money.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  And that's how you know America's a scam country because we were Brits. And then the Brits was like, let's go colonize. And they came over to America and stole everything and killed everybody. And was like, actually, we don't want to pay our taxes no more. We, we feel too far away to pay taxes. It's just, it's giving distance.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  It's, yeah, it's giving distance, it's giving, yeah, yeah. We're not connected anymore.

• 53:26Laci Mosley?

  No. We gonna throw your tea in the harbor. And the girls are not participating in the UK anymore.

• 53:36Speaker 05

  Can I just say that if I'd had this kind of, uh, lecture when I was in high school, I really would have passed AP History.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  If, instead of the Boston Tea Party, they were just like, we gonna throw your tea in the harbor and girls, we will not be giving you coins.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, the drunk black history that you're giving right now is very helpful.

• 53:56Laci Mosley?

  Taxes, no thank you.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  Taxes. Yeah.

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  So, the FBI employees John Good and Anthony Amoroso posed as representatives of the wealthy sheik that owned the Abdul Enterprises. That's where Ab from Abscam comes from. A fictitious man named Cambier Abdul Rahman acted as a middleman. They even got a bank to back up claims that they made. Mel would invite targets to meetings, hoping that the broker would be able to create a deal between them and the sheik and the seller, and then they would catch them on tape. So they're doing these illegal art dealings and they're like, okay, we got the candid cameras. We're giving Chris Hansen for the girls who know, to catch a predator. We gonna pop out with the lemonade and cookies and be like, why are you here?

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, good.

• 54:48Laci Mosley?

  Mister Predator, love it. Though Mel was barely controlled by his FBI handlers and a quote, the sting worked. And within a couple of months, they recovered two 17th century paintings, one worth a million dollars that had been missing from 1966.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  What?

• 55:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 05

  This shit worked, huh?

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  Mel worked because he was a true criminal. So no one ever thought he was working with the government because he gives crime energy. You saw those photos, he's giving crime.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  BCE, big crime energy.

• 55:16Laci Mosley?

  Right, big crime energy, yes.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:19Laci Mosley?

  They also arrested the criminals they caught on tape during the deal. This was despite the fact that Mel had a penchant for ordering corned beef sandwiches from a Jewish deli to, to a meeting that was supposed to be with an Arab prince. So you not me. Wow. Mel reminisce, he said in quotes, this is Mel talking, not me. Arabs don't eat kosher food. I couldn't believe what was going on. I said to myself, if we get away with this, we can get away with anything. So Mel was riding high on being a scammer for the government. Love that for him.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  He knew what was up, he was just playing with his food after a while, like.

• 55:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. Now you making risky choices for no reason. Like you're just like, oh no, I'm eating with the shake.

• 56:03Speaker 05

  Right.

• 56:04Laci Mosley?

  But I'm also gonna have the sweetie meal from McDonald's.

• 56:07Speaker 05

  Well, you're saying, but, but to, to your point, when you're so desperate and you want that, that money, you like ignore what's in front of you to get the money.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  And all of these shakes were ignoring the clear signs of like, what is going on here?

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 56:23Laci Mosley?

  So when that sting. Exactly. When that sting went well, they decided to go after sellers of illegal securities. The agent ended up preventing the sale of six hundred million dollars worth of fraudulent stocks. So now they upgraded. They were like, okay, we're doing art paintings, we're catching those people. Now we're gonna upgrade to like, what are the girls doing in the SEC realm? Like.

• 56:46Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 56:47Laci Mosley?

  The success of the. Right. The success of the latest sting marked the beginning of the ABS scam. And this was their most audacious operation yet. They went after high level government officials.

• 57:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, drag them.

• 57:03Laci Mosley?

  Drag them. Cause honestly, I think that.

• 57:07Laci Mosley?

  We talk about diversity and representation and we're both people of color. But I think that we have to go deeper. It can't just be, oh, we need people who look like us or who identify how we identify gender, queerness, whatever, color. We also need broke people. Like, there needs to be an economy of brokeness in the government. I'm tired of it all being rich people. I think if you get too rich, they gotta kick you out of the senate. They gotta kick you out, because the senate is where all the rich motherfuckers are.

• 57:41Speaker 05

  They're making so much money.

• 57:42Laci Mosley?

  They gotta kick you out of congress. You're too rich. I think we have to walk around and be like, how much does a banana cost? And if they can't say it real fast, how much is milk? And if you can't say it real quick, you gotta leave.

• 57:55Speaker 05

  I love that. But like, yeah, you're right. So you're saying the day that AOC is like, fumbles with her words, it's time to go?

• 58:02Laci Mosley?

  Right. AOC actually is one of the, uh, people that I think of when I make this reference because they used to drag her. They're like, oh, she was a waitress. She can't even afford to live in DC. And I was like, and I know that's right. I love that she's broke. I wanted to say broke because she got broke mentality. And we need more broke mentality people in office who can be like, this is fucked up for broke people, like.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Broke people should be, they should totally be represented. I feel that. But you know what? I just feel like rich people, um, it's like, they need, and you know, it's like, because I want to be one someday and I just don't want them to be mad at me. So it's like, you know,

• 58:39Laci Mosley?

  Wow, you are really giving the billionaire stan hilarious commentary. Like, it's almost like you're cosplaying as a billionaire stan right now, giving their opinions.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  I'm just trying, I, I'm, yeah, I'm advocating because it could be me someday that needs like the, what's it, what's it like, um, if I have like a four or five million dollar estate, you know, the estate tax, you know, I mean, they're coming for me.

• 59:01Laci Mosley?

  We need to stop, look, y'all. Tell your friends, because I don't think people who listen to this podcast are billionaire stans. But please tell your friends. They are not gonna be billionaires.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  Wow, wow.

• 59:15Speaker 05

  First of all billionaires, we love you billionaires, we love you.

• 59:19Laci Mosley?

  Billionaires, we love you so much.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  We love that you scam us, we love over and over again.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  If you're listening to this, it's too late, you're not gonna be a billionaire.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Eric Newman, we love you, we love you, WeWork.

• 59:31Laci Mosley?

  Don't stand them, now we love you at WeWork.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  Elizabeth Holmes, everybody needs a second chance.

• 59:38Laci Mosley?

  Elizabeth, get back working on the tiny thing.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  Bernie, Bernie, I see you up there.

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  I can't, but I'm always like, it's too many rich people in government, the fact that we found out about coronavirus late as hell because they don't want the stock markets to drop, too many rich people in government.

• 59:55Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're, you're telling me that a small number of rich people have an advantage as far as like government is concerned, resources, opportunity.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  That's crazy.

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  Everybody's allowed to vote, you know, everybody's allowed to vote, I think, you know, and it, it just, it feels to me, Lacey, that you're like siding with these people that aren't.

• 1:00:16Laci Mosley?

  Cosplay of a billionaire scam.

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  That aren't living up to the American dream. And you know what?

• 1:00:20Laci Mosley?

  Not aren't living up to the American dream.

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  And me and TD Jakes hate what you're saying, me and TD and Elon.

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  That reminds me of the Lularoe scam, when Lularoe was selling all them leggings and having women selling leggings.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  They would talk to the women when they complained about the leggings being moldy because they were left outside or they're ugly and we can't sell them, they'd be like, it's your fault, you're not selling them good. Is, you could be a billionaire if you tried harder, like putting that blame on people who were born with less resources is always hilarious.

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Back on the individual, like for instance, I mean, my favorite, when I was a kid, I used to have anxiety because it was like, I watched those Smokey Bear commercials and I was the only one in the room and he would be like, only you can prevent forest fires. And I was like, oh.

• 1:01:08Laci Mosley?

  Did you prevent them? Because there's been hella forest fires and you live in New York and I feel like you really should be out here putting the fires out, I don't understand.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  It's true, it's true, I gotta be a smoke jumper, I gotta, I gotta be there in the fires, on the fire line and I can't be, this is up to me, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  Why are you not putting out the forest fires? It's your fault.

• 1:01:27Speaker 05

  I don't know, I mean, we all love to be lied to, we all love to be sold like on a fantasy, that's what's up. I love a good fantasy, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:01:37Laci Mosley?

  Accountability, that word is such a scam because it is weaponized to be like, oh.

• 1:01:44Laci Mosley?

  Your accountability, like, if you wanna make money, like, why weren't you born to a family that already had the resources for you to get educated? Why weren't you born in a place where they had good schools? Why, this is your fault, and it's like, none of us asked to be born.

• 1:01:58Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're saying birth is an accident? Is that what you're saying? You're saying it's not a willful choice?

• 1:02:04Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I scanned my mama, she was 21, and I popped up in her belly and was like, it's my time.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  That's right, that's right. You gotta do you.

• 1:02:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm here to take your resources. Thank you so much, sis.

• 1:02:14Speaker 05

  I do feel, I'm always like, I'm thinking, I'm plotting and thought now here, I'm like, what can I do to, I love, I love my job. I love what I do. It's amazing.

• 1:02:24Laci Mosley?

  Yep.

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  But, um, I'm like, what can I, what product or service? Service, so I don't pollute the earth. What can I give that doesn't, that makes me g-billions, you know? And sells people on the feeling and or emotion? I'm thinking about it all the time. I don't know what it is.

• 1:02:44Laci Mosley?

  You don't know what it is yet, but...

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  I don't know what it is yet, but I, I'm like, I don't, I'm not this, I think that I was put on this earth to figure it out, cuz I was like, I'm this young looking, this long, I need to something out.

• 1:02:55Laci Mosley?

  You need to be robbing people, absolutely. And this is a long episode, guys, but we're, we're winding to the end. No, no, don't apologize, you good. Uh, during one deal with a black market dealer, they learn offhandedly that Atlantic City casinos were involved in some shady dealings. So, they've upgraded, right? They were like, we started at art fraud, now we into securities fraud, the stock market, things like that. Now they're like, Atlantic City, we owe Dipato as well. We're going after the government girls. We're gonna get the government girls, and I love it. Allegedly, someone could get government support to build casinos by bribing corrupt politicians, which opened a can of worms. What else could they be bribed to do? Now...

• 1:03:40Laci Mosley?

  Why y'all acting like they can't be bribed for everything? Like, the girls go up the steps, you know, to Congress, like, woo, I'm a public servant. And then there's somebody waiting on the steps, a lobbyist, like, hey, we do guns. I'm, I'm from the NRA, and we do guns. And can you keep voting for us to be able to sell wild-ass guns to people for murders? I know, I know, it sounds bad, but we gonna give you hundreds of thousands of dollars if you just keep voting for us to have guns for murders. Ignore the murder part.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  I mean, that's acceptable losses, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, um, I feel like there is, yeah, there's always somebody with a price tag. Absolutely, you're right.

• 1:04:24Laci Mosley?

  We can all be bought. We can all be bought, most of us.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  Have, have you asked on this show what your number is?

• 1:04:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no!

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  To commit a crime?

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no!

• 1:04:38Speaker 05

  A crime that doesn't hurt, that doesn't physically hurt somebody?

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh. Jordan, you go first, what's your number?

• 1:04:48Speaker 05

  Um, I'm probably gonna need, I'm pretty cheap. I'm probably gonna need it, I'm pretty cheap, I'm pretty cheap, um.

• 1:04:54Laci Mosley?

  I'm easily bought.

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  I'm easily bought.

• 1:04:57Laci Mosley?

  Jordan, you're talking about coupons, it's like, how many coupons y'all got?

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  Promo code on my, on, on, on my, uh, you know, whatever. I'm buying me, like, there was, the lieutenant governor of New York just got arrested for bribery. He was, he was, he bribed, like, it was like fifty thousand dollars. So I'm like, I mean, he's just, he's a politician, I'm like.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  That's too low.

• 1:05:18Speaker 05

  It's way too low.

• 1:05:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm not ruining my career for fifty K, that's not lifetime money.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  But that's okay, I mean, like, when you're an actor, comedian, it's okay, like, I could do a crime and still come back. That's all right, that's, we're talking about, that's, that's like, that's why I'm not in politics. Like, you could do plenty of stuff and still come back, you know what I'm saying? So if it's like a hacking job, or let's say I'm like, you know, it's a B and E.

• 1:05:40Laci Mosley?

  You've thought about this.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  It's a B and E, you know what I mean? Um, it's some light B and E, um.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  You've thought about this.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need the whole seventy-five up, up front, you know?

• 1:05:50Laci Mosley?

  Seventy-five K?

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's bail money, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:05:53Laci Mosley?

  No, if I'm criming, if I'm, if I'm selling my soul, like, I may at least need.

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  Thirty-two million.

• 1:06:03Speaker 05

  Thirty-two million dollars? You are wild, and that's why they'll come for you.

• 1:06:09Laci Mosley?

  I want thirty-two mil. I can do some shit with thirty-two mil. That's what I need. For me to be fully compromised and sell out the country. I want thirty-two mil.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  I mean, I believe in you. I just feel like.

• 1:06:22Laci Mosley?

  You're like, my price is too high?

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  No, I know, no. Look, you believe, you, you know your own worth. So to know your own worth is really important.

• 1:06:30Laci Mosley?

  Wow, that was such a black way to say it's too high.

• 1:06:35Laci Mosley?

  You know your own worth. If you like it, I love it. Wow.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  No. We must, we must protect black women's worth.

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely. First up in their new list of targets was Angelo Eric Cuddy, a sinner and a mayor of Camden, New Jersey. So that's the first person they're going after in New Jersey.

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  So Mr. Angelo promised to grant gambling licenses to Abdul Enterprises for an intermediate payment of twenty-five thousand dollars and a total payment of four hundred thousand dollars. So he was like, yeah, y'all can have gambling rights. Y'all just slide me my coins, almost half a mil. He even went above and beyond to offer, to connect them with congresspeople who could help the sheik's other business interests for compensation, of course. So he's like, I can even link y'all with the homies. If y'all want to pay a little more, we can do a networking event for crime. You know, we can have some crudite for crime. You know, we can have those small circular tables that are very high up with no chairs, but for robbery.

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm with that.

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  I love that. The list of contacts he offered became the key in catching bigger fish. So now that it took the contacts that he had and were like, hmm, y'all are also corrupt. We're gonna dip a toe in y'all as well. Meetings with the congressman were arranged in airports, rented homes, and an Atlantic City hotel room, and also offices. So they were meeting up everywhere. They're like, meet us at the corner of Sunset and Vine. Also meet us at the Roosevelt Hotel. Are y'all at the Waldorf? Meet us there as well.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Meet us at this Chuck E. Cheese in Midtown. It's gonna be great.

• 1:08:18Laci Mosley?

  We're meeting up at FedEx Kinko's for fraud. Pull up. We'll be there. Buy the copier machine. Let's do it. Love this. With these meetings came swag, including charter jets, limos, and even yachts seized by US Customs to hold parties on, decked out with full surveillance gear. So our government coins, your tax dollars, have been going to yachts so that they could catch criminals.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  I mean, listen, we gotta catch these people. These are, this is white collar crime and you want?

• 1:08:50Laci Mosley?

  Do we have to catch these people?

• 1:08:52Speaker 05

  The federal BI should have some fun while they catch, catch criminals too. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:08:57Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if the FBI and the I need to be on the yacht. I don't know if they need to have a hot girl summer for fraud. Like, I love that the FBI and the I was like, so in this investigation, we gonna need a yacht, we gonna need uh fifty-two bottles of Dom Perignon, we definitely gonna need some sushi from Nobu.

• 1:09:16Speaker 05

  All day.

• 1:09:16Laci Mosley?

  But it's for crime. It's for the government.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  If I was a special agent, I'd be real special. That'd be me. I'd be like,

• 1:09:22Laci Mosley?

  I would too.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Come on now. I need flash money. Uh, we gonna do that new Maybot because I have to impress.

• 1:09:28Laci Mosley?

  Right. I have to impress. I'm playing a role. They'd be like, Lacey, you are our most expensive FBI and I agent. Why do you always need hundreds of thousands of dollars to catch criminals? I'm like, that's what it takes.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Exactly. You wanna put a dollar amount on, on results?

• 1:09:44Laci Mosley?

  I need to get my eyelashes done. I need a hydro facial. And I need a new weave install to catch the criminals.

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  I also need all these things. I need my tracks, get, get my tracks right. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah.

• 1:09:58Laci Mosley?

  Mel is our OG criminal, right? He's the one who's crime and criming and then got employed by the government to continue criming. And I love him. Mel remembers that when they got the boat, Tony, Agent Omaroso, loved that boat. When it came time to name it, he said, I'm left-handed. Let's call it left-hand. I told him, Tony, left-hand means the mafia. He put it on anyway, on the boat. He was like, yeah, that's what we giving him. Mafia, so.

• 1:10:28Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:10:29Laci Mosley?

  The meeting went like this. One of the targets would arrive at the location to meet Mayor Eric Chetty Alonso, along with Mel and other FBI agents posing as reps of the shake. The meeting was secretly taped and often the premise was that the sheik needed a citizenship sponsor in case he needed to enter the country. So they're like leading these criminals. They're like, we got the sheik, he got money, he got that oil, long money. You know, that liquid gold. And he also might need some citizenship or whatever. Often, the target left with a bag of fifty thousand dollars in cash and their promises that they'd help pass special legislation of some kind or another. So they also gave them the cash.

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  Wow, this is, this is wild.

• 1:11:15Laci Mosley?

  Senator Harrison A. Williams was the shining prize of the operation. He was a member of Congress who had served for more than twenty years in the US Senate as a liberal Democrat and World War II veteran. When you get, when you go to wars.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  You hate to see it.

• 1:11:30Laci Mosley?

  Politics, like, if you go to some wars, they're like, oh, you're that girl, we will vote for you, you went to the wars. How was the wars? What was the wars like? You should be in office.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, John McCain, that's, that's what he did. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:46Laci Mosley?

  I'm not mad at that, cuz shout out to the veterans. Like, if you go to wars, honestly, you should be able to scam for the rest of your life cuz war is a scam. So if you go to the wars, rob everybody, you deserve.

• 1:12:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, what if you grew up in a Rose neighborhood? Anything, anything for that? I don't know.

• 1:12:06Laci Mosley?

  Also that, but like wars, yes. So it was discovered that this senator had a secret hand in a titanium mining company in Piney River, Virginia.

• 1:12:20Laci Mosley?

  Undercover agents spread rumors that one of the sheiks was interested in lending a hundred million dollars in exchange for Williams using his influence to obtain government contracts for this mine.

• 1:12:32Laci Mosley?

  So now the FBI is setting a trap. They're like, let's spread some rumors and some gossip that like this sheik, this fake sheik, who is not actually gonna give anybody any coins. Like, part of me doesn't fuck with this because y'all are setting up illegal situations and being like, what would you do?

• 1:12:53Speaker 05

  Like, uh, Ken Yonis, that, that show on ABC where they're like, what would you do? Like, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes. How are y'all doing hypotheticals for crime? How am I getting caught in a hypothetical crime? I don't like that.

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  I kind of love that. It's like, would you?

• 1:13:11Laci Mosley?

  I have to get me a good lawyer. I need a habeas corpus lawyer because this is entrapment.

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 1:13:20Laci Mosley?

  In my opinion.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  It's like leaving out a Chick-fil-A sandwich on a fucking, on a bench or something like that. You know, I might, I might do it.

• 1:13:28Laci Mosley?

  With a little stick underneath it and I'm gonna go under there.

• 1:13:30Speaker 05

  Oh, Lord.

• 1:13:32Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna go under there.

• 1:13:34Speaker 05

  I mean, yes.

• 1:13:35Laci Mosley?

  As a good Christian gay, I, I was like, well, the gays is working at Chick-fil-A. I guess I'm still eat these sandwiches because I'm supporting the community. Like, they working out here. If I don't come, then they not gonna have a job. The demand gonna be lower. So that's how I convince myself to keep eating at Chick-fil-A.

• 1:13:50Speaker 05

  Absolutely, but isn't that, isn't, that's entrapment, though. What they're doing is borderline.

• 1:13:54Laci Mosley?

  It's entrapment. And obviously, this is happening in the seventies. So maybe like entrapment was a little more of a vibe and you could just do it. But I'm like, don't catch me in hypothetical crime. Catch me in real crime. I, I don't know. A meeting was set up to solidify the deal, complete with an agent from Ohio disguised as the sheik in an Arab headdress and suit. So now we got costumes involved. This is a good scam. They putting on all of the drag. Love it. They also met a second time during which Williams offered the sheik permanent residency as well. So Williams really was like, oh, we doing crime, crime? Like, yeah, I'll offer you things. When the sheik offered money in exchange, Williams rejected it and instead wanted his investment

• 1:14:38Laci Mosley?

  in the titanium deal. Okay, Williams, you smart. At this point, the New Jersey US attorney, Robert Del Tufo, had issues with how the operation was heading. Of course, because it's entrapment. I would have had issues too. It was like, yo, this is crime.

• 1:14:55Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are doing crime to catch criminals.

• 1:14:57Speaker 05

  Catch criminals, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:58Laci Mosley?

  He said, we weren't getting information and there was a lot of things way out of line with the Justice Department guidelines. Yes, cuz y'all are breaking the law. And I, that's why I hate copaganda and why this show is not like pro copaganda is because we've all been conditioned and lied to to think that police and people in the police state can break the law to catch criminals. We've all watched those movies where they're like turning your badge or your gun and the person still goes after the criminal when.

• 1:15:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, because they have to, because.

• 1:15:35Laci Mosley?

  Their tired black sergeant or chief was like, you need to stop, you're in too deep. And they were like, I can't stop. And we've watched these movies where like, I can't stop. And then they do a bunch of illegal shit to catch a criminal. And we're like, that's fine cuz they're in the pursuit of justice. But it's like, I very much believe in cops and robbers. And what I mean by that is like, if you are a smart cop, maybe you catch the robber. If you're not, you don't. And that's the equity of the world. They get away. Like, we can't be breaking the law to catch the robbers.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, Lacey, you're saying that like, just if you have to, if you go over the line, that's a bad thing. You, that's what you're saying to me? You're saying that there's certain rights in the Constitution?

• 1:16:16Laci Mosley?

  That's the restricted rights of being in the police state. If y'all are saying y'all follow laws and y'all enforce laws, then you have to follow laws, catch a people breaking them. You can't break the laws to catch somebody.

• 1:16:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, but what if you are the law? You know, like, uh, that's like.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  That's the thing.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:16:33Laci Mosley?

  No one is the law. The law is literally something that was made up by a bunch of old white dudes and it changes all the time. And so if you assume that you are the law, which is our issue with the police, and you're not following the law, you're not upholding the law. So.

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  I feel like what you're, what you're saying makes sense.

• 1:16:54Laci Mosley?

  Cops and robbers, if the robbers get away, don't, you can't break the law to catch them. They just got away. They were better than you. You gotta just let that go.

• 1:17:02Speaker 05

  You're saying that, remember Ronald McDonald, there was like that one robber guy?

• 1:17:07Laci Mosley?

  Where's this guy? Hamburglar?

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  The Hamburglar. You would kill, who was a very impractical thief, by the way. You would, you would kill the Hamburglar too?

• 1:17:16Laci Mosley?

  Wow, way to put words in my mouth. No. I'm saying that if the Hamburglar burgled the hamburgers.

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  Yes, which he did.

• 1:17:25Laci Mosley?

  And they can't catch him legally, then let my guy eat.

• 1:17:29Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, come on, look, look, Lacey, chaos.

• 1:17:33Laci Mosley?

  That's cops and robbers.

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  Chaos.

• 1:17:35Laci Mosley?

  Let him eat.

• 1:17:36Speaker 05

  Chaos.

• 1:17:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay, y'all didn't catch him, y'all weren't fast enough, I don't know how you didn't catch the motherfucker, because he's in a white and black striped outfit.

• 1:17:43Speaker 05

  Coretta Scott King did not march, so the Hamburglar.

• 1:17:49Laci Mosley?

  Coretta don't got nothing to do with the Hamburglar.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, wow, wow.

• 1:17:54Laci Mosley?

  That's above her.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  Wow, wow, she is, she is a citizen of the world, she is everybody, she is me, she is Hamburglar, she represents everybody and has everybody's back.

• 1:18:04Laci Mosley?

  The FBI memos that were normally filed in cases were non-existent.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:18:11Laci Mosley?

  So the mayor was like, remember, y'all doing too much, and then the memos that the FBI and I were supposed to be taking, they were not uploading or downloading the memos, they, they were just doing crime to catch criminals. Additionally, Mel was getting a bounty for each case that he made, which wasn't supposed to be a part of the deal. So Mel done worked it out, so he's like, okay, y'all wanna go get so-and-so, Williams, it's gonna be a hundred thousand a head for everybody that we get, and I want my coins. When, when you put the cuffs on, the coins need to come to my bank account, and that's illegal and weird.

• 1:18:46Speaker 05

  That's, no, that's deputizing, that's being like a sheriff, that's putting a bounty on somebody, that's like, that's, that's great, that's old west stuff.

• 1:18:53Laci Mosley?

  It's, it's hella vigilante, it's hella wanted signs, yes, Mel was even accused of operating a scam within the scam, as it appeared that he was trying to feed the target specific language to say that, that would earn an indictment, so he could get his bonus. So he's entrapping these people, he's like, oh yeah, Mr. Williams, like, we doing this mining situation for titanium.

• 1:19:22Laci Mosley?

  Let's who Simon says, repeat after me.

• 1:19:25Speaker 05

  Right, right, right.

• 1:19:27Laci Mosley?

  I would love to do collusion. Can you say that?

• 1:19:31Speaker 05

  Kalua, you want collusion with your drink?

• 1:19:34Laci Mosley?

  I am breaking the government's law. Repeat that back to me.

• 1:19:40Laci Mosley?

  They keep, they entrapping and trapping. Most of the targets disgraced themselves, but some, it was difficult to decide whether they were genuinely looking for a bribe or simply believe that they were doing business the Arab way, as Mel told them. So Mel is telling them too, like, so the Arab way is where you lie to the government. The Arab way is where we get illegal citizenship for people. That's just the Arab way. And that's terrible. Kenneth McDonald, vice chairman of the Casino Control Commission, may have always been innocent. There was no evidence that he had taken anything or knew that what was going on or knew about Mel or anything. But the lead prosecutor still pursued his case.

• 1:20:26Laci Mosley?

  And any objections to his case were buried. So they were like, oh, we don't think that Kenneth, the vice chairman of the casino board, Kenneth didn't know. Kenneth is a family man. He was at the beach with his kids, like, and they were like, we're still gonna get him. Kenneth will be buried. And poor Kenneth, justice for Kenneth. So Kenneth McDonald passed on from cancer, seeking exoneration. Arguably, he was a victim of the government's marriage to Mel Weinberg. So they're saying Kenneth was a nice dude. And the government took him down too, because Mel was like, I'm gonna get my coins. I don't care who, I don't care from where, I'm leaving with something. And Kenneth was just like, looking at the casino board like, how the slot machines doing? How, how we doing?

• 1:21:11Laci Mosley?

  Had no idea.

• 1:21:12Speaker 05

  I didn't know the level of the game. I mean, it was a, like, the movie is like, oh, cool, they pulled it off. But like, this, this engine was doing, doing the most.

• 1:21:22Laci Mosley?

  By any means necessary. They were putting people in jail by any means. Entrapment, lying, forcing words in their mouth, they did not care.

• 1:21:32Speaker 05

  Force and extension, I love it.

• 1:21:33Laci Mosley?

  So the scam goes public, this is the end. Uh, we're winding down. This still ongoing investigation became public in February nineteen eighty when details were leaked by an unknown source to the New York Times. In the following months, ABSCAM caught Senator Harris Williams and six representatives, Frank Thompson, John Murphy. I feel like I'm reading like the freak-a-league list like Sabrina

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  Love us.

• 1:21:58Laci Mosley?

  P. Show. So, yeah, we got Frank Thompson, John Murphy, Michael Myers, Bisha Kelly, Raymond Letterer, and John Ren- Genret? John Genret. Can't say that. Sorry, John. In a network for play-to-play schemes, caught all of them. Threw the girls in jail, threw away the key. They were indicted and all later convicted, along with three Philadelphia councilmen and several other political operatives. Congressman Letterer was re-elected under the indictment, but resigned when he was later expelled from Congress. So-

• 1:22:35Speaker 05

  Why? Why? Why?

• 1:22:37Laci Mosley?

  He was running for office when he was getting indicted.

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  Let him be great.

• 1:22:42Laci Mosley?

  He still won.

• 1:22:43Speaker 05

  Exactly. How shitty of an opponent do you have when you're like, this is a criminal?

• 1:22:50Laci Mosley?

  Uh, now you're just throwing shade at Hillary.

• 1:22:53Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, oh. Not even, not even-

• 1:22:57Laci Mosley?

  Donald Trump was a whole criminal. He told us that he only pays $750 in income taxes, and I was like, I would like to do that as well, but also-

• 1:23:05Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:23:06Laci Mosley?

  Crime.

• 1:23:07Speaker 05

  Where's the line for that? Right? Like, I'm in this line, I should be over that line? Yeah.

• 1:23:11Laci Mosley?

  He had a bunch of cases against him, assault cases, all types of cases, fraud, laundering, like, and still was president, so-

• 1:23:20Speaker 05

  Paternity case. I think he was on Maury at one point. It's, it's, yeah.

• 1:23:23Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:23:24Speaker 05

  It's messy. It's messy. You're right.

• 1:23:26Laci Mosley?

  All the cameramen around Donald Trump are also like athletes who run marathons, because they know they gotta run with the camera, because it's giving Maury, it's giving Jerry Springer, it's giving You Are Not the Father, and Trump gotta run away and they gotta follow him with the camera. Like, a criminal.

• 1:23:42Speaker 05

  They don't quit.

• 1:23:43Laci Mosley?

  Most others served several years in federal prison and were expelled from the institutions that they served. Mel went on to work as a private investigator in Florida before retiring. He died at the age of 93. Shout out to Mel.

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  Mel was a private investigator? What, what?

• 1:23:59Laci Mosley?

  Mel loves mess. It's messy, Mel. He was like, I love mess. I love to encourage people for men's. Oh, do you think your spouse is cheating? Great, I'll be your Florida private investigator.

• 1:24:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:24:10Laci Mosley?

  I saw your spouse at the Sunco with another bitch. And he bought her some Slim Jims and a Mountain Dew, so you know she ratchet. And I got photos.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  Oh my god, of course, through the private investigator in Florida. You know, he was like sweating out some Hawaiian shirts and stuff like that with some binoculars.

• 1:24:29Laci Mosley?

  He was, aspiring. And catching everybody in their lies. I'll, Mel, this is how you do criminality. This is a criminal career that I respect. He made it to the age of ninety-three. Got caught doing his fraud and told the government, oh no, I'm that girl. I'm actually the Beyonce of hoodwink.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  Well, actually, I mean, let me tell you something.

• 1:24:54Laci Mosley?

  Of bribery. I'm the Beyonce, so like, you're not gonna lock me up, you're gonna let me stay in and like, and then he was like, got a little scam going on with the government, was like, I want a thousand a head, and that's not the figure, but like, he was like, for as many people as I'm tricking, y'all gonna pay me. Every time the squad car pull up, woo woo, I want my money.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  Dingle, dingle. I feel like there's, there's, only, Lacy, I've had such a good time tonight. I want to just tell you one thing. That what Mel did, I think, ascends to something not, it's not criminal. It's called arbitrage.

• 1:25:33Speaker 05

  You know arbitrage?

• 1:25:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, go on.

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  Arbitrage is like when you, uh, it's, if you really like, if we pull out, bird's eye view, shit is illegal. But like, if you're within the letter of the law, but not the spirit of it, meaning you have zero morals, but, but you're doing ethical stuff barely. That's called arbitrage. Okay unethical, but not immoral. Let's put it that way unethical, but not immoral.

• 1:26:02Laci Mosley?

  It's also giving amoral.

• 1:26:04Speaker 05

  Okay, so maybe amoral, but there's a word for it and that word is arbitrage. When you're on just when you're a biscuit away from from committing a crime. And I think that's exactly what what Mel was.

• 1:26:16Laci Mosley?

  This to me, I'm like, look, let the scammers win sometimes. You lost, you played and you lost. This is to me like if you're playing Monopoly, which is a long game and I have an injury. I have a scar from Monopoly for my cousin, Germanica. Cause Monopoly always ends in fights. It's a violent game. Cause it's capitalism. And so when you start losing, you start losing bad. People start stealing. They start, you know, hiding money, stealing from the bank and.

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  Auto works. Yep. All that. Yep.

• 1:26:46Laci Mosley?

  But it's like, for me, it feels like you're playing Monopoly with a criminal. And you start losing and instead of just taking your L, you flip the game board over and end it. And that's why I'm like, let the criminals, they won. You should have just let them win like.

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  True, but I feel like I feel like Mel definitely beat them all. That's.

• 1:27:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Mel won. Shout out to Mel, cause Mel really won as a scammer. He was like, I'm gonna rob everybody, the government, y'all, whoever, the fake shake. Mel got his coins, so.

• 1:27:21Speaker 05

  A scam American hero. Is that what you're saying?

• 1:27:23Laci Mosley?

  A scam American icon, truly.

• 1:27:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:25Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for scammer of the week. This is where we highlight an honorary charlatan who may or may not be worthy of our praise and let's see how we feel today. Today we're talking about John Oliver. He's trying to scam the scammers of Congress during a recent show he described, I love this. During a recent show, he described data brokers or companies that collected everyone's digital data to bundle it and sell it to the highest bidder. So he's telling everybody about how if you have a free app, just know it's not free. Just know that anything that you have on your phone that was free to download or free to anything, Facebook, Twitter, any social media. The reason it's free is because they're gonna steal your whole identity.

• 1:28:09Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:28:10Laci Mosley?

  Everything about you, what you like, your preferences, the things you wanna buy. That's the reason why when we talk about shit, our phone be like, hey, girl. Amazon actually got a deal on this bag he was talking about.

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:22Laci Mosley?

  It's data mining. While some of these digital packages group together simple shared characteristics, some group people from vulnerable populations together. Names such as help needed, I am ninety days behind with bills, or suffering seniors.

• 1:28:38Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:28:39Laci Mosley?

  They're, so they're targeting vulnerable groups and being like, here go all the old people whose uh family don't call them.

• 1:28:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, man.

• 1:28:48Laci Mosley?

  Here go all the people who are insecure about how they nose look. And here go all the people, you know, like they're grouping it. It's, it's actually really diabolical. Brokers have been sued for selling these data packages to scammers looking to target those vulnerable people. Cause they used to just sell it to advertisement companies and like, here's your demo. And now they're selling it to scammers like, you trying to do love fraud? We got some lonely old ladies over here. And they got full bank accounts.

• 1:29:19Laci Mosley?

  Wow. He and his staff purchased data for a group of individuals who shared many of the same traits as a lot of congressmen. Some of these traits include being aged forty-five and up. They were online with a five mile radius from congress and searched terms like divorce, massage, hair loss, midlife crisis.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:29:42Laci Mosley?

  Anything you Google, they go pick up. Not hair loss and midlife crisis. Not you Googling Corvette and they're like, we got you bitch.

• 1:29:52Speaker 05

  Corvette, absolutely. Hymns, Corvette, uh, uh, what else? Oh my gosh, like probably uh resistance bands, um, pull up bars.

• 1:30:03Laci Mosley?

  No, right. Oh no. Using information derived from clicks on three ads. One was, is your marriage a prison? Another ad was, can I vote twice? And the last ad is Ted Cruz erotic fan fiction?

• 1:30:19Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:30:20Laci Mosley?

  Who wants to read about Ted Cruz? I don't want to think about Ted Cruz having sexuals. I can't. So they were able to identify several known lawmakers along with their questionable search histories. John then posed to lawmakers that might be listening that it might be time to think about passing laws to make releasing such personal information illegal. He ended with, you might want to channel that worry into making sure that I can't do anything sleep well. I get it. It's a scam and the scammers because Congress is a scam. And he was like, look, y'all don't care about data mining. Y'all been greenlighting this shit, but also this you?

• 1:31:07Speaker 05

  That's kind of genius.

• 1:31:09Laci Mosley?

  Maybe you should start voting against this because hey, this you.

• 1:31:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, this you out here. Wow.

• 1:31:17Laci Mosley?

  Out here being out here.

• 1:31:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Laci Mosley?

  So another scam within a scam to wrap up the episode, just like Mel was scamming the government and scamming everybody that they entrapped. John Oliver's like.

• 1:31:29Speaker 05

  I love it, but that's John Oliver's show. John Oliver knows what he's doing and it's like.

• 1:31:33Laci Mosley?

  He's so good.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  He's so good at it. And I just want to, I love when he's like, hold on a minute. You know, it's just like, it's the best. It's like my, I, I need that little nugget to get through my week. So it's like, I'm not surprised by any of this. I think that John Oliver is, sometimes when you make comedy like that, and I've written late night comedy with a political bent, you have to be a bit of a scammer in order to, to bring to light and put in high relief a truth about ourselves. To take that lens, spin it around and show what's up.

• 1:32:04Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:32:05Speaker 05

  It's like super.

• 1:32:06Laci Mosley?

  But this you gets people, it's like you're, we're fine taking these bribes like these other people when you thought it had nothing to do with you.

• 1:32:13Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:32:14Laci Mosley?

  But now that we can look up you Googling penis pills, Ted Cruz, how do you feel?

• 1:32:21Laci Mosley?

  How do you feel that extends, extends knows that Ted Cruz is trying to extend? How do you know?

• 1:32:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean Ted Cruz has a heart anyway, so I don't know if he has any feelings. Whatever feelings he had died a long time ago, his daughter won't even kiss him. You know what I'm saying? He's like, he's trying to leave the country, uh, when the blizzard hits New York, or hits, uh,

• 1:32:39Laci Mosley?

  Listen, he went to Mexico with the power shutdown. He went to Mexico and then blamed it on his family.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  Because his family made him go to Oaxaca. Those vouchers were irred- you couldn't redeem them, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:32:55Laci Mosley?

  I know his daughters were like, why am I in it? Why, I didn't plan a vacation, I didn't book the flights.

• 1:33:01Speaker 05

  Non-transferable, can't refund them, you know?

• 1:33:04Laci Mosley?

  You know, you, you're born to who you're born to, that's also a scam. You can't get rid of the people who made you.

• 1:33:10Speaker 05

  Absolutely. But his, so the, so the road to anything through Ted Cruz is go through his daughters. And then you get one of these. That's what that's all about.

• 1:33:19Laci Mosley?

  Guys, we've reached the end of this episode. We always ask Jordan, where would you like to be found?

• 1:33:25Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh, where would I like to be found? Um, I, I am on Instagram at the realer Jordan Carlos, that's me. Um, you can catch me on Twitter, um, at Jordan Carlos. Um, yeah, that's it, you know? Keep it, keep it simple, keep it simple. Or my, or my podcast, or my podcast.

• 1:33:41Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and name the podcast again, please.

• 1:33:43Speaker 05

  The podcast is called Adulting, it's with the amazing Michelle Buteau. Um, look for it wherever podcasts, you can stream them. Um, we're really excited about, uh, relaunching our podcast, it's gonna be wonderful, so, yeah, it's exciting, really.

• 1:33:54Laci Mosley?

  It's such a fun show, y'all, get into Jordan, you see, like, this is a long episode, cuz we were having mess and it was a fun time.

• 1:34:01Speaker 05

  Absolutely, we're cousins, this is also.

• 1:34:02Laci Mosley?

  We're cousins, we're cousins, we, we did ancestry on the podcast and we're cousins. Uh, guys, if you wanna follow me and my mess, D I V A L A C I D, Velaci, uh, platforms, if you wanna snitch on your friends and family, just make sure the scams retire, cuz we don't want, yeah, we don't wanna fuck up your bag, scamgotispod at gmail dot com, and scamgotispod on all platforms, if you wanna see all of the photos and the things that we were talking about in person. If you wanna stream my TV mess, I Carlys out now, season two on Paramount Plus. Get into it, congregation, stay scheming.

• 1:34:40Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Fies, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:34:57Laci Mosley?

  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

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