Jocko Underground: NO COMPROMISE | & Some Gun Law Stuff

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 96, sitting here with Echo Charles.

• 0:06Jocko Willink?

  Have you ever heard the expression, or the, I guess it's actually a tagline.

• 0:13Jocko Willink?

  "In a world of compromise, some don't."

• 0:18Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever heard it.

• 0:19Jocko Willink?

  You ever heard H and K, the firearms?

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:22Jocko Willink?

  H and K. Yeah. That, back in the day, and I mean.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Back in the day.

• 0:30Jocko Willink?

  Like when I would, Team One, back in the day. We used H and K weapons. We used the H and K MP5. MP5K, as a matter of fact. And, uh, great weapon. It's actually one of the best weapons. If you've ever heard me talk about home defense, I say the H and K MP5 is actually a really good choice.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:51Jocko Willink?

  It's a really good choice. It's a 9mm submachine gun.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 0:55Jocko Willink?

  Which means you're not going to get crazy penetration through walls and stuff. It's ultra accurate. It's easy to shoot. If you put a suppressor on it, it sounds like this.

• 1:05Jocko Willink?

  Like when you, when you put the suppressor on that thing, the HP5, the MP5 SD is what it's called, suppressed.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  But you can't have that kind of stuff.

• 1:16Jocko Willink?

  Well.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  As a citizen.

• 1:17Jocko Willink?

  In, you know, in California, you can't.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:19Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, because California is insane.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23Jocko Willink?

  No, they have rules.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24Jocko Willink?

  They have rules that don't make any sense to anybody, but they have rules.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  You know, the rule, and I don't want to go too deep into the political elements, or this is what it feels like. It feels like people who don't really know that much, um, necessarily about guns and that kind of stuff, they're like, hey, let, I'm going to make a rule that makes me feel like more comfortable with the overall kind of feeling. So it's like, hey, if we just allow everyone to have any guns, then everyone's just going to go to war. And it's going to be blood on the streets, you know, kind of a thing. Like, it feels like that's what they're basing it on. That's why they're like, oh, yeah, that, the pistol grip.

• 1:57Jocko Willink?

  Pistol grip.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Like, just no pistol grip, where it's like, it barely even has a, it's more annoying, for sure. If you can't have the, or they put that weird thing on the back or whatever, it's more annoying, but it's, you still can shoot whatever. It's like, it's a weird.

• 2:10Jocko Willink?

  Well, here's the weird thing. So, yes, you're right. It's dumb, because they, they make this law that you can't have a pistol grip. And so the gun manufacturers go, okay, well, what if we put this weird like plastic thing? So it's a little bit too big to get your hand around.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, your thumb.

• 2:27Jocko Willink?

  They're sorry, your thumb around.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29Jocko Willink?

  And so now it's not a pistol grip anymore. And the it passes the law.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:34Jocko Willink?

  Now, what's really must up about that is like, let's say you decided, well, I'm gonna break the law. In thirteen seconds, you could just carve that thing off and you have a pistol grip.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44Jocko Willink?

  So it's it's not doesn't actually prevent anything.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46Jocko Willink?

  Doesn't prevent anything at all.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:49Jocko Willink?

  That's why I thought what you're gonna say is the people that are come up with these laws, they don't actually know what they're talking about. They don't have any idea. They get some weird word like pistol grip and they go, well, the pistol grip is bad.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:02Jocko Willink?

  And so they say, we don't want a pistol grip, so put the thing where you can't put your thumb around it.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07Jocko Willink?

  Makes almost no difference whatsoever. And if you wanted to, you could take it off in three seconds.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:12Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  So it's a it's one of those things where you get this. This is what it seems like, because I'm not in the boardroom when those laws are being made, so I don't know what's on their mind, and I can't read their mind, but. If you get a bunch of people together and and no one knows what they're talking about, they'll be like, hey, what can we agree on? Okay, we don't want people just going to war with ten million guns and bullets and all this stuff, right? So let's who has the first idea for a rule to keep that from happening? And first guy will be like, oh, well, the magazines or they don't even know, don't they call clips or whatever, you know?

• 3:47Jocko Willink?

  No, you don't call it a clip.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I know, that's what I'm saying. So they'll be in there, the, you know, it's a thing that the bullets go in or whatever. They can only they shouldn't hold a bunch of bullets. They should only hold a handful of them. That way, if, you know, it's safer or, you know, it's not as uh like uh destructive, right? And everyone's like, oh, this sounds good to me. Never shot a gun in their life, by the way, but they'll be like, oh, yeah, that sounds good. That'll keep the destruction down, right? Okay, boom, book it, sign it up or, you know, all right, what's what's the next rule?

• 4:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  And they'll be like, well, and the next guy will be like, oh, well, I got a picture of all these guns, right? So you ever, when I was a kid, there was this one called the, um, we, you know, a tech nine, right? There's this business, uh. Gun, Tech 9, right, is a BB gun. And I looked at it and had all the holes and all this stuff in it and it looked real like cool. And my uncle was like, yeah, that one looks, it looks real menacing. It's a menacing looking gun. So this guy in the boardroom, he's there making laws. They're like, here's all the guns. You got a hunting rifle. They got all this stuff all the way down to a Tech 9 or, you know, all these, all the MP5, all these ones, right? Got the suppressor on there, got the scope on there, got all the cool stuff on there. But to them, it just looks menacing.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  They don't know what it's for. They don't know the function of it. They're like, hey, that one looks pretty scary. Outlaw, all that stuff.

• 5:08Jocko Willink?

  And gun rights people will constantly take like a very innocent standard, I shouldn't say innocent, but just like a standard hunting rifle and just deck it out so it looks super menacing. Even though it's the same exact gun, it just has some different parts on it. And they go, this is the same weapon as this. And then they can take a weapon that has a much more deadly capability and they can dumb that one down and be like, so it looks less menacing. And, but the people that make the gun laws don't know the difference between these two things. And I'm not even sure they know what they're trying to accomplish.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:49Jocko Willink?

  Well, you know, often it's said that what they're trying to accomplish is just no one can have any guns and whatever they can do to inhibit that. And the gun manufacturers just take the law and go, okay, what's the, how do we just get around this? And that's what they do. They go, okay, we can get around this by doing this little thing. Cool. Like they put a, they put like us, like for instance, in the magazines. Hey, you're not allowed to have more than 10 rounds in a magazine. Okay. So they put a stopper in the magazine that if you felt like it, you just take that thing out and now you can load 30 round mag. And, and yet this is a law.

• 6:25Jocko Willink?

  It's just.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  One, you're a criminal, one, you're not a criminal.

• 6:28Jocko Willink?

  And, and, and what does it prevent? You know, what does it actually prevent? If I can, if I can get rid of this thing in three seconds, then what does it print? Doesn't print anything. So what are we doing?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:38Jocko Willink?

  What are we actually doing? Being idiots.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  Being idiots. So anyways, I was talking about H and K.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:47Jocko Willink?

  H and K, weapons manufacturer. And they, so, so this was their motto back in the day. It might still be there, but in a world of compromise, some don't. And I remember, you know, you kind of think, I would hear that as a young frog man. And I think, I think, yo, that's what I'm talking about, you know? That's where we're at. I had a T-shirt, actually. Like, like we would do some conferences or there'd be something where we'd meet H and K or whatever, and they'd give us T-shirts and I had a, like a badass T-shirt. And this was back in the day, you know, like there was no, T-shirts wasn't really a thing yet. Like, for instance, you and I make like 80 T-shirts right now, right? Where, where T-shirts are a thing. Back then, they, they weren't a thing, really.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Jocko Willink?

  Like you weren't just having T-shirts with different stuff on them. But they had one that had like a, it looked like a pencil or like a pen and ink, real fine detail, almost photographic quality drawing of like an entry team. Like a four, like a three or four man entry team stacked up, getting ready to go do an entry on a building. And then it just said, in a world of compromise, some don't, you know? And I had that shirt, bro. It's an 18K on the front. It had that badass thing on the back. And of course, you know, I'm low pro back in the day, you know? So you're never wearing anything like that. And it didn't really exist. You know, it's not like today, there's a, there's so many tactical companies out there. And people that aren't even tactical, wear tactical shit all the time.

• 8:14Jocko Willink?

  They're wearing tactical hats and tactical T-shirts and, and so there's a lot of tacticalness, right? The tacticalness has increased a lot, but back then, you would never, there was no one that was wearing anything tactical. So having a shirt that was kind of tactical, no one knew what it meant, but we did, I did. So it sounds cool. Sounds badass.

• 8:38Jocko Willink?

  Here's the thing. Let's think about what life is like, normal life. If we do not compromise. So it's cool when you're making a weapon system that you don't compromise, you want that thing to be as, as absolutely supreme as you can make it. Cool, we get that. But let's think about life if we don't compromise. How do we resolve conflicts if we're not going to compromise? Right, you're gonna have to wait for a miracle. What kind of friends? What, what is your friend group? What does your relationship group look like if you never compromise?

• 9:15Jocko Willink?

  I mean, just, just think about that for 28 seconds right now. And someone wants to go to dinner with you and you know where you want to go. And you never compromise. Oh, your wife wants to go to a different restaurant, but you're only eating sushi. And she wants Italian, but, and then this isn't, this isn't like one night. This is never, never compromise. When you aren't willing to compromise, it closes your mind to other perspectives. It also creates animosity because now that all the people that you don't compromise with. They, they don't like you. They, they, they, they return the favor, by the way, as well. They're not going to compromise back. So now what we have is we have animosity. That's animosity with other people.

• 9:58Jocko Willink?

  Other people outside of our team, within our team, guess what? If we never compromise. We only do it my way. We only follow my plan. We only implement my roles. I never compromise. I, I'm going to have animosity inside my team. It's going to create stress, it's going to create conflict, it's going to reduce trust. It's going to reduce trust because I'm not compromising on anything. Everything is just my way.

• 10:28Jocko Willink?

  It inhibits flexibility, right? You would think that, well, yeah, you know, it must be that way. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.

• 10:43Jocko Willink?

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• 11:28Jocko Willink?

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