C8 Grand Sport revealed; Gas Prices; Odd Volvo; Racing!

There's a new Corvette Grand Sport; Cadillac finally cancels its terrible naming scheme; Ferrari admits the real reason for those terrible controls; gas prices are yuge; and Patreon question include: Is a manual-swapped Ferrari F430 the key to happiness? WHEN is the right time to manual-swap anything? Can you enjoy a track day without being competitive? Why are b-pillars boring black? How do you tell another car their brights are on? Cars we'd gift to Cuba Careers we bailed on Bad driving habits we'd banish Will BMW CS cars hold their value? Racing teams that built engines for OEMs 1 show car, 1 track car, 1 daily How to use a radar detector New cars bought by true car nerds Thoughts on the INDY America 250 race And more! Recorded March 23, 2026 DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Your generous donation to Dream Giveaway goes directly to New Beginning Children's Homes, a 501(c)(3) organization (Federal ID# 27-5011514). Thanks to your donations, unrestricted grants are awarded to charities such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), Honor Flight of West Central Florida, 4Kids, National Guard Educational Foundation, Victory Junction, Building Homes For Heroes, and Healing4Heroes⁠ ⁠To read more about Dream Giveaway and the charities our giveaways help benefit. https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/about. Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, Matt Farah here. Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here because they are looking out for you everywhere in the country. Look, if you get a moving violation, big, small, or in-between, don't plead guilty. Get off the record. They will fight that ticket all the way up if they need to. To the Supreme Court, I'm telling you. No, for real though, they will connect you with a qualified attorney in almost any jurisdiction in the United States. Those folks will fight these tickets and I gotta tell you, the vast majority of the

• 0:38Matt Farah?

  time, they win. It's relatively affordable. And if you use code TST, offtherecord.com/tst, you get 10% off all legal services from Off the Record. Don't plead guilty. Get off the record. They can only help. OfftheRecord.com/tst. All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I talk about the new Corvette Grand Sport, crazy high gas prices, the silly Cadillac torque badging is going away, racing at Road America, and did you know, buttons cost more than touchscreens. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go.

• 1:25Matt Farah?

  What's happening? Hi, everybody. Hello. Good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Maybe if it's late night for you, good night.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  East Coast.

• 1:37Matt Farah?

  You have.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  If you're in Iceland.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  Right, Iceland. If you're in Yellowknife, it's night pretty much most of the time right now. We're doing a one dram of Japanese fousuke on this one. And, boy, are there things. I have a fucking long list of things to talk about today. Starting, of course, reminding everybody that we are giving away a 911 Turbo S. This isn't as important an assignment as anything. There are...

• 2:11Matt Farah?

  Not a lot of chances we're gonna have. Cause like this is a pretty, pretty Porsche centric show. Like it's outsized versus, right? Porsche's out actual market share. The Porsche fandom, the, the kind of questions that we get asked about subtle nuances between one Porsche to another. Like that's clearly important to people.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  That's true. Porsche also releases, or used to release more sporting models per year than any other company.

• 2:43Matt Farah?

  I mean, they may, there's like a fucking press launch for every variant of the 911.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  And there's like 32 of them.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  Actually sidebar, Han and I are, we're talking about now that we've, we don't have a, we like to always have a, a big vacation on the schedule, even if it's far away. So now that we've done our boat trip, we don't really have anything. So like what we want, we're trying to figure out what to do next. The, the New Zealand road trip is high on the list.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  But we've, we've repeatedly talked about Spain. And so we were like, should we just do Spain? And it was like, well, no, because the odds of a manufacturer inviting me to Spain in the next 12 months are like 97 fucking percent.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  And so we'll just wait till someone invites me somewhere and you know, there's one plane ticket and you know what I mean?

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  And by the way, those in the audience, like that is a sort of potential hidden perk of the business is if you go somewhere on a launch, you can always ask the manufacturer like, hey, can you just book my return trip ticket home like five days later? And you don't ask them to pay for the hotels. It's, it's the same amount of money there is, and they don't give a fuck. They're like, sure. So you could, if you're flexible or you want to have your spouse come out or like whatever, uh, you know, people, people, I've seen people do that.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  People do it a lot.

• 4:09Matt Farah?

  Do it all the time.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Some people push it and bring the spouse on the launch, which is a little like, come on. I don't like personally care. I won't talk shit about that, but like, it's like a little. Come on. But anyway, there is a non-zero. We're gonna get half of our Spain flights paid for.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was at a thing and I, um, and some people, they, their, their, their partner is their business partner. And they make the videos together. So when they're both there, I get it.

• 4:34Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  But, um, I was at a launch and, uh, the, the, the wife came along as camera operator.

• 4:41Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Did not know how to turn on anything. Like.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  I've seen that.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  That was funny.

• 4:46Matt Farah?

  Definitely seen that. Uh, so anyway, bringing it back around, we're giving away a 2025 911 Turbo S. It is, uh, it is brand new, except for the few miles that Zach and I personally put on it. It is, well, we haven't put the video up yet of what we've done to it, but in order to make the contest work, they put the video, they put the photos of what it looks like now. So you can clearly see it has a beautiful set of HRE wheels on it. Um, it's a very amazing spec and we just put up, uh, the first video. It's up on the YouTube channel. We go through, I go through every option on the list on the car. So you can see everything that's in it.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  And, uh, yeah, you can win it. There's, it's very easy, uh, to enter. The, the rules are up on the thing. There's a, there's photo gallery of the car and, uh, we're gonna be, you know, talking about it a lot. So, uh, get in the game. Uh, what's, I forget, what's the closing date? Does it say when it closes? It's, uh.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  I think it was, it runs for almost a year.

• 5:43Matt Farah?

  No, it's not that long.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's actually not that long. What is the closing date? I probably should know this and I will learn it for the next show, but it is not.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  Uh, uh, uh, official rules? FAQs? FAQs maybe?

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Sheet. I think it might be in, all right, well. You figure it out. You can find it. Some will find it. I promise. There's no, there's no weirdness here. I probably just should know the exact closing date. And I don't want to say it wrong, cause you can get in trouble if you say things wrong about giveaways.

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  But it's not, it's not, it was originally going to be the entire year. It then became shortened. Uh, I think, I think.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  If I had to guess, I think it's like five, five, six months, but I forget the exact thing. Anyway. Uh, it's up there. Everything else is straightforward and by the next show, I will have the exact date of when, of when the drawing is. It's fucking sick though.

• 6:50Matt Farah?

  Also, the Road and Track.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Oh, ends on August 20th.

• 6:54Matt Farah?

  Thank you very much, Zach. August 20th, okay. And you get $75,000 to cover the federal taxes that you would be assessed for, because these are considered income when you win something like this. So, they cover that. Uh, anyway.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  Also, Come Drive With Me, Road and Track Pacific Northwest event, uh, this June. Entries are open. It is going to be extremely beautiful. We're talking cascades, uh, mountains, we're talking absolutely stellar fucking hotels. Real banger, uh, proper hotels. It's at experiences dot road and track dot com.

• 7:35Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be super, super fun, uh, and I'm gonna hook up a really special car for it. And, uh, yeah, so that's up at experiences dot road and track dot com right now. Entries are open, and, uh, yeah, come drive with me. Um, okay, do you want to talk about the new Corvette Grand Sport that was revealed? Do you want to talk about something, uh, that the Ferrari CEO said that everyone already knew was true?

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yes, let's do that one.

• 8:02Matt Farah?

  Okay, so the CEO of Ferrari basically said in an interview that, uh, touchscreen interfaces and haptic interfaces are 50% cheaper than making buttons. And that is why everybody does it.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Sure, makes all the sense, yeah.

• 8:16Matt Farah?

  But he said, that's the first time, I think, someone has really said publicly the 50% number.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  That is, that's a really high number. I would expect that from a screen, but actually, the haptic capacitive stuff, it's amazing that, I guess, they can just, there's no, I guess there's no springs, there's no action they have to like decide, there's no reliability there. It's just like the connective circuit. That's pretty wild. 50%, though.

• 8:39Matt Farah?

  So much. And I mean, he, when I read the headline. I was like, fuck this guy. He's like whining about the cost of, of going back to, you know, uh, to buttons, right? And these guys are, Ferrari's making like so much money, but I read the actual quote in full, which is why it's important to read.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  It is important.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  Full. And he was not actually complaining. He was, he was explaining, you know, in the entire, an industry-wide transition. And, and actually, he said that like, for his customers, like, he was happy to go back to buttons. So like, he wasn't actually complaining, but yeah, 50%.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  But, you know, if you read David Tuig's book, which we have inside the machine, you know how much small bits of profit matter.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  Yo, yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  So imagine if, if someone comes to you and says, this will save you 50% on your interior button construction. Like, no wonder so many companies jumped on that. That is a huge number.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  Well, and once two or three companies do it, it's, we'll save 50% and everyone's doing it. And by the way, everyone's gonna be Tesla anyway.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Ferrari's doing it, of course, yeah, of course. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

• 9:44Matt Farah?

  I'm driving a, I'm driving a Volvo EX30 right now, which is not a review. We're gonna come, we're gonna do a review of this car, cause Zach's gonna drive it for a few days. I haven't posted a picture of it. It's just hilarious that I booked this car a few months ago, cause I thought it looked interesting. A week before the, the thing showed up, uh, that white one on the screen is exactly what the one looks like that's sitting outside right now. And, uh, a week before this thing shows up, Volvo announces they're killing the model. So I'm reviewing, I'm reviewing a dead car? Like, what, what am I even doing with this?

• 10:18Speaker 01

  You think they'll, you keep it? Cause they don't want it back?

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, what, like, what am I supposed to do with this now? Like, so, I mean, I don't know, do an Instagram review? Like, we'll talk about it, I guess, but like, I, uh, it's, it's real touchscreeny. It's so touch. First off, I, I do not understand. If Volvo is building full battery electric vehicles, what exactly is the point of Polestar? Like, I thought it was gonna be, Polestar was the electric and then.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Well, wasn't Polestar their quote skunk works? Like where they basically developed their new technology and they kind of developed the EV tech and now they can hand it to Volvo? I think that was how Polestar was kind of, uh, advertised.

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all right, I'll buy that, but like. They're not that innovative.

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I'm not really sure, but but this is it's extremely touchscreeny. There is no forward gauge cluster at all. It's the interior is like basically like, you know, like a copy of a Model Y. Although I do think it's like it's Volvo, so it's like put together a little nicer than a Model Y. But square, square steering wheel and certain things in the touchscreen that like, you know, when you're trying to figure out how to drive the car, you're like, stuff's buried. It's all Android. Like shit's just like buried in menus. It's it's it's not terribly confusing. Once you know where everything is, but they dropped this thing off when it was like 90 degrees outside. And I'm like trying to figure out how to like get find like the max AC.

• 11:55Matt Farah?

  And I just cannot, and it's so hot in there. There's actually they actually gave a quick reference. They gave like a quick reference guide, which is not something most manufacturers give out. So I guess they know it's not instantly intuitive.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  That's handy. That's like the Ineos that gave us that for the off road stuff. Really, really helpful. It's just funny that a normal car needs that. But yeah. This prevents the journalism journalist problems.

• 12:19Matt Farah?

  It does. It prevents you going where the fuck is this? You know, but like it's it's very touchscreeny. We'll see what I I have some interesting, I think they're interesting thoughts about this car and like what exactly we're doing here. But but I'll wait till you drive it first because I'd like I'd like you to experience. It's an odd duck.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  All right, just like the one I'm driving. But we I think we'll talk about that on another show.

• 12:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you were. We both drove also the M2CS, but I think we'll save that for next show because I want to drive it a little more. But dude, you know what? Oh, also, if you want to come see us or me in person, we are going to be doing a live podcast that you can buy tickets to actually discounted tickets, I think, right? Didn't Graham send us a link for discounted tickets? Didn't we get a link today? We're gonna have a link for discounted tickets to the Heritage Invitational at the 1010 Club in

• 13:16Matt Farah?

  Charlotte, we're gonna have a live podcast. It's going to be Friday night. I think it's April 10th, right? Friday night, April 10th? And you'll be able to buy tickets to, uh, to the festival that are good for all day, up to and including and after our podcast. So it's not an expensive ticket.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 13:36Matt Farah?

  I think with a discount, it's like what we charged for just a podcast in Texas. And you get a whole bunch of other cool stuff. They're doing exhibition racing. There's gonna be a car show. So, we were there last year. It's a great time. It's gonna be really fun.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Some serious metal is brought out for that. And then, uh, the train, was it Trans Am Racing? It was pretty fun to watch. A lot of old stuff moving around and getting real loud. Pretty cool.

• 14:00Matt Farah?

  It was a good time. And so we're doing a live show, uh, on April 10th there. That's in Charlotte. You can come see us. And also, I am racing at Road America, April, uh, 23rd, 20, 23rd, 24th, 25th, 26th, uh, with WRL, uh, racing again with Tato Siderman and, uh, Tommy Kendall. Actually, Johnny just told us today that he has a gig and cannot make this race weekend, which I have, I have pitched in for Zach Klapman to fill his, uh, his seat.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  I appreciate that. You lobbied well.

• 14:36Matt Farah?

  I've lobbied for Zach. Uh, the ball is in the air. We'll see, we'll see where it lands.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Cause the race is eight days, right? After I go to school for my comp license.

• 14:45Matt Farah?

  There's no, literally no better time to do a race, other than like the very next day.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true.

• 14:51Matt Farah?

  Your concepts will be so fresh.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  I think they say people just out of med school are better doctors than people that have been in the game for 20 years.

• 14:58Matt Farah?

  That fuck, that makes absolute sense. Totally.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  So, uh, yeah.

• 15:03Matt Farah?

  Zach's gonna go to, uh, Sonoma and do Skip Barber, get his comp license, and maybe come, uh, race. But like, I, I don't, I think there's no better time than, than right after a comp license.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  It just means the pressure to pass the, the comp license test is, cause I'll have planes booked and stuff.

• 15:19Matt Farah?

  You have to, you know, I mean, look.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  I think, I think if you crash, you fail, but otherwise.

• 15:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like you have to have a colossal. Fuck up to go get a NASA complex. Is it NASA or SCCA?

• 15:29Speaker 01

  I think it's SCCA and JF who did it, he just said that they really frown on going off. You know, if you go off, if you go off four wheels twice, you're like, your class is over.

• 15:40Matt Farah?

  Whoa, yeah.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  They want to protect the vehicles.

• 15:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, four, two, four off twice.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Four off twice is a lot.

• 15:45Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's a, that's a big ol' whoops if you're doing that.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  Very, very much so.

• 15:50Matt Farah?

  And I mean, yeah, like, really, I mean, you can go off once, but like, you probably, but you probably shouldn't. In the, you know, school. And I say, I say that as someone who has crashed a literal skip barber vehicle. It was not great.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  No, I'm very excited. So yeah, I'm gonna go up there on Saturday to do some SIM training. And then, uh, and then we're gonna get powered up here.

• 16:11Matt Farah?

  Too much fucking faith in that.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I, I, I want, I just haven't been to Road America for like, last time I was there was shooting for Hagerty like eight years ago. So I was driving a minivan for camera car. So like, I know where it goes, but I don't know the braking markers at all.

• 16:25Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, and there's, there's only like,

• 16:30Matt Farah?

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• 19:19Matt Farah?

  You're not gonna do that in BMW M235IR. You probably hit 125, 120 maybe, 125, three times a lap.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Well, because the front straight is uphill for most of it.

• 19:32Matt Farah?

  But it's so long.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  It's very long.

• 19:34Matt Farah?

  It's so long.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  This car might struggle until that crest.

• 19:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then the second straight is shorter, but it's downhill.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

  And then the third straight is also long as fuck.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, this back section, right? With the little slight kink, that's a good one.

• 19:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  That'll be flat through this probably, right?

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. And in a car that's like a medium speed car, it's like, that's not a, that's not a problem.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:56Matt Farah?

  Where that, where that kink at the back of that is like, is in like a 600 horsepower car with insufficient aero. You know, like, when I drove it in a One Lap of America, in the X5M, you know, you get like, I think it was, I forget if it's like, I think it's an outlap in three flyers. Dude, by the end of the, but the brakes were nothing, nothing.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  And you're coming into this tight right.

• 20:25Matt Farah?

  They call it Canada corner, and that's crashy corner.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:29Matt Farah?

  There's a special bleacher right there.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  Look at the size of the gravel trap on the outside of that corner. You could like see it from space.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Well, because then, for people listening, there's a large gravel trap, a wall, and then this is actually a very steep hill covered in trees. So if you hit it fast enough, you go up the hill and launch and land in Canada.

• 20:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's, but what a place to drive.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  It's gorgeous, yeah.

• 20:52Matt Farah?

  I mean, it does, it does not get better than that in, in America, if you ask me. So, I've,

• 20:59Matt Farah?

  I raced a Fox Body there in the very first season of Champ Car.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 21:05Matt Farah?

  And it was a really shitty Fox Body, and it was so slow, and the race was, was red flagged for snow.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  What?

• 21:14Matt Farah?

  And when.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  What, what month was it?

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  Like March. And when they were finally like, okay, it's all right to race again. Farah, you're in. And I'm like, what? I had to go out there in like the snow cleary lap.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, like 30 degree track temp.

• 21:30Matt Farah?

  Crazy, yeah.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 21:31Matt Farah?

  So that was a good time.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:34Matt Farah?

  And then the One Lap of America, and then I filmed something else there, or it was a, there was a press launch of something else there that was like. I don't recall what it was, but I remember it being really fast.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Didn't you go to like a ZR1 launch there?

• 21:48Matt Farah?

  ZR1 was road Atlanta. But I, I went on some launch for something there that was like where the car was super, super fast. So I don't, I don't really remember what it was, but, um, but I'm very excited to drive it again.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Me too. It's a spicy track. I'm excited to see what TAO does on this huge right-hand sweeper.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  The key is on, we get Tato to drive the car first on Friday and lay out a telemetry line that becomes a ghost car for us to chase.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 22:19Matt Farah?

  And then, and then, cause like, if you're, if you're like a halfway decent student and you've got a fucking savant to follow, like, no problem. Do what the kid does. Like, just do that. Like, it's actually not hard to watch someone grades data and then just do that until you get to the point of this person is so skilled that what, what is on that is actually, seems impossible.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  And/or this person is 21 and doesn't think he can die.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  When you mix those together. And there's also like, like when I did the spring mountain school, they, they had overlay data with the pros.

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Really, really helpful. And my line would be like one foot off from theirs or two. And you go, well, I'm, I'm close enough. Like, no, no, two feet matters. One foot matters. And they had a great, they had an overhead drone showing where everyone was on these two apexes. And you're, you would think that you're on the right spot, but then you watch that thing, you go, nope, I'm 14 inches away.

• 23:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and that's like 10%. It's a big percentage.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  And it all adds up a little bit. So, yeah.

• 23:23Matt Farah?

  Like, and like the shape of a corner with you not hitting, not taking curbs.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:30Matt Farah?

  Versus the shape of a corner with him taking like as much curb as is legally possible.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:37Matt Farah?

  Like you're driving in the fucking lawn.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:39Matt Farah?

  You know, those, the, the arc of that corner allows for, you know, a three mile an hour higher exit speed that at the end of the next straight results in a, in a nine miles an hour difference. And you know, there's three tenths.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Totally. We've all watched the V8 Supercars. There's a head-on shot from like, I don't remember the track, but there was an S's and the way, they were hitting the curbs so that the only tires that were on the track surface still were the outside tires. The entire inside 90% of the car was flying over what would effectively be the infield. It was crazy.

• 24:14Matt Farah?

  That's, that's, that's the line I really like at Road Atlanta. Have you driven Road Atlanta?

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Nah, decade ago.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  Road Atlanta's got the very long front straight and then a big, sweeping uphill right-hander that's got sort of a jog on the top. And if there isn't a cone placed right there, or if that cone has been taken out by somebody else, you can effectively jump the chicane, which when I tested the Trackhawk there at Gridlife, I did repeatedly and got like serious air over it. And if, you can't do it in a low car, but in a car that's got some ground clearance, it's like, uh huh, there's a tenth here.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Let's see. I wonder, is there anywhere on this track for hitting curbs with this car?

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Um, well, I mean, look, this, this-

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Up to the left. Maybe there, a little bit.

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't know. You know, I can't, it's been, it's been a few years since I've been there, so I don't really recall the shape of the curbs, specifically where you could really cut. I don't, the end of the, the end of that straight there, I don't really think you can so much.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  You, oh, you know what, on the exit of that corner, which is turn six, oh, look, Google Maps has put turn six there. You can take a pretty wide exit there. So, you know, you can, you can pretty much be, you know, deep into the paint on that.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  We got street view for the track.

• 25:38Matt Farah?

  But WRL, like, at Cota was pretty strict about, you know, at Cota, of course, where it all, the track limits, right? So, because in Cota, you can like, you can drive like well outside the track. They were like, they didn't really dock a lot of people, but they nailed Tommy Kendall for it on like the second to last lap. He admitted he started to push it and get a little greedy, but like-

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Using the NASCAR lines?

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  As far as we knew, they didn't hit anybody else with it, but they hit Tommy with it. With a fiver. They gave him a five second.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Are these big rumble strips?

• 26:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Alright, so you don't want to touch those?

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  No, you could drive on that.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  Really?

• 26:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could drive on that.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 26:19Matt Farah?

  I think. Pretty sure.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  As long as the control arms aren't built by Nissan, right?

• 26:24Matt Farah?

  What you didn't want, yeah, what you didn't want to do at Cota with this car was hit the ends of the hot dogs. That's where you like break shit, like in the S's. If you, you can, you can use curbing, but you need to like run up on the angle of the curbing, not hit the end of the curbing, because apparently you can snap control arms in these cars if you hit the end, the edge of the hot dog.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Like meaning the, in, the outside edge of the curbing where there's like a vertical shelf?

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  The curbing is like a long thing that has like rounded edges at the end, like instead of going up on the curbing and down, if you hit the end of it, the pointed end of it, I call it the end of the hot dog. It's like rounded off, but like if you hit the end of that, it's a much more abrupt transition than going up on the curb and then back down, which is totally fine.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 27:14Matt Farah?

  Um, anyway, uh, I hope you go fast enough in a video game that you are confident that you'll be able to drive. And I'm already, I'm already more than confident that you'll be able to drive it.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  I appreciate that.

• 27:26Matt Farah?

  This car is, you know, if you were able to safely lap Willow Springs in that fucking silly little thing outside.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 27:35Matt Farah?

  This is, this is effectively the same car with the same gearbox and half the horsepower.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, and stick your tires, oh no, same tires.

• 27:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, the same tires.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, alright.

• 27:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, no, slightly worse tires than this, but, but still, don't worry about it.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 27:50Matt Farah?

  Um.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Corvette announcement, you said?

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  Well, yeah, they revealed the, the new Grand Sport, kind of, at the, at Sebring, right? They also, they also said that that, uh, manual Tremec transaxle was not real. Tony Romo, Tony Romo said that shit. Uh, but it looks, uh, it's, this, this is a great photo, actually, of all the Grand Sports. I was thinking about it, there's never been a bad Grand Sport Corvette.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  They've all been good. You go back to the, the cool one from the, from the 60s, the race car, fucking crazy.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:22Matt Farah?

  Love it.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 28:23Matt Farah?

  Right, the C4 Grand Sport, actually, pretty exceptional. That's a quality automobile.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  I've never driven one, never, have I seen one? I've seen more ZR1s, actually.

• 28:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you...

• 28:36Matt Farah?

  If you, because of, I think because of where you were at that time. Where I was in, where I was in ninety-eight or seven or wherever, whatever, uh, what, no, seven, no, it would've been ninety-six.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:51Matt Farah?

  Where I was, these were very popular.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 28:55Matt Farah?

  This, these, the Grand Sport took over Long Island. Everybody, everybody either had one or wanted one.

• 29:06Matt Farah?

  And, uh, and it was a very good car. C-six Grand Sport.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Fantastic.

• 29:10Matt Farah?

  Fucking awesome car.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:12Matt Farah?

  Awesome car, and the C-seven Grand Sport is.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  One of the best bargain performance cars out there.

• 29:18Matt Farah?

  Almost, almost no notes on the C-seven Grand Sport. That's fucking, that's an exceptional automobile for a driver of any skill level.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  That's, that's a nearly perfect sports car, actually. Very, very good. And so the new one, uh, it's the same color, because of course it is. Uh, the blue, which is a nice color, actually. The blue, the blue white. I fuck with it, but you know what I don't love? I grew up in the school of Ralph Lauren. Blue and black are clashy. And I don't like blue cars with black wheels.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Oh, you mean, sorry, blue and black clashed when they're paired together?

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  Colors clash when they're together.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:02Matt Farah?

  Ralph Lauren designers try to avoid blue and black.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Black wheels, mostly a mistake. I'm just, I don't like them on pretty much anything.

• 30:09Matt Farah?

  They can work on some, they can work on gray, they work on white, they work on black, they go black, that's fine, but they, I think on blue cars, they're particularly clashy. Just like wearing, you know, a, a blue tinted outfit would be with a black belt and black shoes. I would go brown.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Hmm, true.

• 30:27Matt Farah?

  With blue, you know?

• 30:28Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 30:28Matt Farah?

  So, I don't love, uh, I don't love the wheels. You can probably, hopefully, maybe, get them in a silver. The wheels would look great in silver. The C-four Grand Sports look better with silver wheels.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 30:41Matt Farah?

  But they're saying it's a punched out motor. They're saying it's like a, maybe like a 6.7 liter.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  That's still rumor mill. That that's, it's gonna be 6.7 liter and then there, the other rumor mill says that the, there'll be a Grand Sport X that will replace the E-Ray. Which, that, that tracks. That makes sense. E, cause E-Ray is, to Corvette people, E-Ray is not cool.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I feel like that'll be the same thing Corvette people won't want a Grand Sport Hybrid either.

• 31:12Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's just not called E-Ray. If you don't call it hybrid, people, you never know. I drove this thing around for, for six days. You never would know it's a hybrid. If you call it something tough instead of E. E means like green. Call it X.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  That's true. You just gotta lean on the 0 to 60 time and what, you know, the performance benefits because I think-

• 31:36Matt Farah?

  But it'll have the new motor with, with the, you know, the E-Ray effectively hybrid system. Which will be pretty, pretty cool.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Probably drive great. That's the thing. It will drive great. But will anybody, will the majority of people care or will they just go buy the normal Grand Sport with the punched out engine? It'll be slightly lighter, cause no battery.

• 31:53Matt Farah?

  Sure. Well, the majority of people will do that regardless, but I think more people would get a Grand Sport X than would buy an E-Ray.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  That's probably true. Just from, you mean just from the marketing, just E versus X?

• 32:08Matt Farah?

  Just the name. Oh, and speaking of the name. Did you see the fucking story? That Cadillac is dropping their metric Newton meters of torque rounded to the nearest 50 branding because it's stupid? They, I, I, I thought they would ride this one directly into the mountain, but they actually, they bailed on it.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Well, or, or did they, did they wait until? Like, are they canceling a bunch of these models, you know, because of the new stuff?

• 32:37Matt Farah?

  It's, it's-

• 32:39Speaker 01

  They're just changing the name of everyone.

• 32:40Matt Farah?

  All across the brand. They're, they're not, it's not about canceling models. It's just about getting rid of the number. There's, they, they're sort of like tiptoeing around it like they're saying- It's part of a, it's part of a global strategy, but our American audience didn't really understand it. And also, it's, we're trying to like declutter the back of the cars and have like fewer badging.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:02Matt Farah?

  But also like, the, the, the numbers didn't like, mean anything. Like, A, they're in Newton meters, which to Americans don't mean shit. I do this for a living, I couldn't fucking tell you what the, the conversion is from a Newton meter to a, to a thing. I'm sorry, I just, I don't have room in my brain for it. And also, it's rounded to the nearest fifty. Like, it's not even like an act, like, at least like the Mercedes sixty-three was like a six point two nine.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Right, right, for a while. And then it was a four liter, but it was a six, yeah.

• 33:36Matt Farah?

  You know, but like.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  But I know, I know what you're saying, cause they wanted, cause they wanted bigger numbers, you know?

• 33:41Matt Farah?

  They just made a, it's effectively, they effectively started.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  They measured from the back.

• 33:47Matt Farah?

  Well, they just, yeah, they started backwards.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  They measured from behind the balls.

• 33:50Matt Farah?

  They go, how can I put a six hundred on the back of this?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:52Matt Farah?

  What, what combination will yield me a six hundred?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Which is funny because if it was five fifty, still a good number, Mercedes uses it, I mean, it's still a stout, large number. In, in simple America brain, five, five, zero is big number.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  Like on the Escalade, if it was actually, I think the Escalade is like four hundred and eighty horsepower, right? It's a fucking Corvette engine effectively, right? I, I, I don't know, sorry, I don't know the exact horsepower of the Escalade, but it's basically four eighty. If you just called it the fucking five hundred, it worked for Mercedes for like three decades.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  I wonder, do you think Mercedes owns the IP? No, I guess cause you'd be five hundred.

• 34:29Matt Farah?

  Lexus, Shelby.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:31Matt Farah?

  You can, one, one cannot own five hundred. One may only use it until Carroll Shelby needs it again.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Uh, well, that's a good change. So what are they gonna do instead? Forgive me for not reading this. I was editing videos all day.

• 34:47Matt Farah?

  This is the kind of thing that excites me and no one else. Um, they're calling it like, uh, like for on the, on the, on the, on one of the other crossovers, like the lyric or something, they're getting rid of like 600 and they're just calling it like A4 or something, just something that indicates it's the four-wheel-drive one.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay. So kinda like the GMC truck thing, like AT4 is their performance truck situation.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  It's like kind of similar to what the GMC thing is.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The most important thing is they're stopping the dumb thing that they were doing for three years and made no sense.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, this is a good change. I can't believe they watched what, you know, Infiniti did with the Qs and they said, "No, no, no, we can do it better."

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  Wait, was it Johan Denison? Did he get, did they get Denison?

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Did he go twice?

• 35:38Matt Farah?

  No, he was at Audi and he was at Infiniti and he was also at Cadillac and he was there when a lot of bad things happened in all of those companies. Where is Johan right now?

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Let me see.

• 35:50Matt Farah?

  Where was he three years ago is really... Not where is he now?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Well, in 2014, he quit Infiniti and went to Cadillac.

• 36:01Matt Farah?

  Uh-huh.

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  And then, and then it's just 2014 dash blank?

• 36:10Speaker 01

  I gotta, I'll look up his LinkedIn.

• 36:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  That would be funny if he...

• 36:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, he, he is the one that did the, he's the reason that we don't know what Infinitis are what anymore. He's the reason you have absolutely no idea when I tell you that this is a QX60. Like, you don't know what that car is. That's because of his leadership, I believe.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Uh, according to Delopnik, this article's 12 years old, but he was behind the product expansion plans and the switch to the controversial Q-based naming structure.

• 36:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so you're welcome.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  You're welcome. And you're gonna do it again to Cadillac.

• 36:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 36:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 36:53Matt Farah?

  Hmm. What, uh...

• 36:57Matt Farah?

  Okay, how expensive? Cause I saw, we saw some seven dollar gas in California.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did.

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  See some seven, do you see sevens? I saw a lot of sixes.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  I saw a lot of sixes. I think I drove past, oh, down the street, premium was like seven, 10. And then, friend of mine in Arizona.

• 37:15Matt Farah?

  In front of CMS? Down the street?

• 37:17Speaker 01

  No, that place, uh...

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  Or the Jeff, the place that's like scamming, uh, Amazon over here.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, no, it was the one down the street, the one by Shell.

• 37:26Matt Farah?

  The one by CMS?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  That was expensive.

• 37:27Matt Farah?

  That was seven?

• 37:28Speaker 01

  I think it was 6.92. And whatever we bought yesterday was, oh, that's 5.99 by, uh, Willow.

• 37:34Matt Farah?

  Out of the track, yeah, the track was, I mean, dude, 5.99 and by that Rosamont.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  That's out there.

• 37:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Um, and it's over six in Arizona, at least parts of it, according to a friend of mine.

• 37:43Matt Farah?

  How?

• 37:43Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 37:45Matt Farah?

  How high and for how long do you think gas will have to get? For like, actual, American car buying habits to change? Away from like, big, fucking thirsty cars?

• 37:59Speaker 01

  That's a very good question. Um...

• 38:01Matt Farah?

  Couple, do you think, I think a couple, like, two, I think like, two years. I think the, I think the price would have to stay at like, six, seven dollars, possibly nationwide, for like, a couple of years.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's never gonna be six bucks nationwide, it's always like...

• 38:16Matt Farah?

  That's probably true.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  You have to look at like, the AAA, they track the national average.

• 38:20Matt Farah?

  What's the national average, like, four?

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Probably four, um...

• 38:24Matt Farah?

  That's still like... What's the national? National average, 3.95. National average. So, let's see, the re, uh, the entire west coast, from Arizona to Washington, is between four dollars and 5.79. And, I mean, obviously...

• 38:46Speaker 01

  California is a little special, cause it has its own type, type of gas.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Which is more expensive.

• 38:51Matt Farah?

  We special.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  We special.

• 38:52Matt Farah?

  Not only do we have special gas, it's also special in the way that mean people use special. It's both special in the way it's unique to us.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Uh, but they have to make it at certain refineries, so we can't, we can't... Bring our gas over from like Nevada or Texas.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  Right, it has a shitty octane rating.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  It's shitty octane rating, but you know, it's a little bit clean. I don't know, I don't know the intricacies. But the national average is a good place to look and let's see, yesterday average.

• 39:20Matt Farah?

  It's funny, our country, when broken up this way, almost looks like the flag of France.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Here's what you want to look at. The month, a month ago, the average across the country was 293. Now it's 395. So it's up a dollar in a month. That's a lot. Now it's.

• 39:34Matt Farah?

  Wow, 33% increase?

• 39:38Speaker 01

  It's big. Now, I was one of those people during the last election campaign when people would be like, "The gas prices are high." I go, "The president doesn't set the gas prices," which is true.

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  No, but.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  But, but if the, if this person starts a fight and then closes a straight.

• 39:54Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  That does affect the gas prices. So when people, when, when, when we're operating in a vacuum and there's no conflicts happening, the gas price is not set by the president of the United States.

• 40:04Matt Farah?

  Right. No, but the president could certainly fuck enough shit up.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 40:10Matt Farah?

  You know, that as a side effect of all that shit being fucked up.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:16Matt Farah?

  That, yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Right. So back to your question. I think, you, you make a good point. I think if gas prices were elevated for two years, I think that's a good number because that's like the length of a normal lease term.

• 40:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Truly, because then people go, "I'm gonna trade this in and I want to get something more efficient." Yeah?

• 40:33Matt Farah?

  How long until I can get further upside down on this loan payment? I have now rolled four loans over. I am at 177.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  I'd like to roll my TRX into an ES hybrid, please.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  At 36% interest.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  I was sitting next to TRX in traffic like two weeks ago and went, "This person's getting eight miles per gallon right now."

• 40:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  And it's so expensive to operate that truck in California. I hope you're rich, because you're about to not be.

• 40:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you probably are if you're fucking with a TRX in LA for sure. You're taking up space, baby.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  But it's a good question, you know, how long is the the memory like like we think some of the new Land Rovers they get like 26 miles highway, which is not phenomenal. And that's not that that different from what they were getting 15, 20 years ago like.

• 41:20Matt Farah?

  I think it's better than what Land Rovers, Land Rovers specifically were getting 20 years ago.

• 41:25Speaker 01

  I think like 4Mars, like they haven't moved that much, but people they just kind of oscillate their purchases.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  All right, look up, look up the fuel economy of a 1997, six Land Rover Discovery.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:38Matt Farah?

  Because that's if we're talking about the closest thing to the Defender, it's going to be the Discovery, not the Range Rover, right? Are we talking about Range Rovers?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  No, I was, I was thinking Land Rover and I'm gonna look up the 2006s also.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  You are going to be shocked with the factory fuel economy of a good running Defender.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  I might have to walk back my, my statement.

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is, this is not going to be great.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Well, see 96s got 16 highway.

• 42:02Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  2006s got 17 highway.

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  An improvement of 10%.

• 42:09Matt Farah?

  And so, and so from, and so now we're getting 26.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  That's pretty good.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty good.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  I learned good, you know, thanks Tata, like, and you know, nice, nice job.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  That is much better.

• 42:20Matt Farah?

  Ford, Ford and Tata combined, yeah. So they, so that is an improvement.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  That is an improvement.

• 42:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  I retract.

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  But like, well, like what would it take for someone to like not get

• 42:37Matt Farah?

  an F-150 inside and in.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Get like a Maverick instead?

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, get a Maverick instead.

• 42:46Matt Farah?

  I'm truly, I'm genuinely wondering, I'm not saying no one should have an F-150.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  So you're saying Pierce, that they're purchased to be based purely on price of gas, like not like their, their job change, they don't need to tow things or whatever.

• 42:59Matt Farah?

  They're like, how much would the price of gas?

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  Make somebody who is would typically buy a very big, very powerful vehicle, buy a smaller, less powerful one. Like, I wonder how, like, in Europe, that's why people don't, for the most part, buy bigger vehicles. Like, they're either too big for whatever tiny little village you live in, or the gas is so fucking expensive that it's insane to buy something that has a huge engine.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Don't they also get taxed on?

• 43:29Matt Farah?

  There is a tax on displacement, also, yes.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Uh, let's see.

• 43:33Matt Farah?

  But in general, it's like, it's much more, it's just much more expensive. It's not because they don't, like, ever want it. It's just because, like, it's really expensive.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  So a 3.5-liter power boost, then that's the hybrid one. Like, F-150 gets about 25 miles per gallon highway, um...

• 43:52Matt Farah?

  I think Mavericks can get in the 30s, right?

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's see.

• 43:56Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure they can.

• 44:00Matt Farah?

  I think, I, I think, uh, I think some people would.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Uh, some of the Mavericks get 42.

• 44:06Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's probably the hybrid, right?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Probably the hybrid.

• 44:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  I, I think some people would, of course. I mean, how many, who, when, I don't know. But I think if anyone's feeling the squeeze on their wallet, and they have to get a new car, and they go, "Well, shit, this truck, this little Maverick truck does a lot of what I needed my truck to do, and it gets 10 miles per gallon better, which, at these prices, will save you, you know, uh..."

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  Ooh, now you gotta do the math.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  That's tough math.

• 44:33Matt Farah?

  Now you gotta do the math!

• 44:34Speaker 01

  10 miles per gallon better, ah!

• 44:35Matt Farah?

  Well, look, I'll tell you what, if it gets 10 miles a gallon better, that is 30% better. Okay, so if gas goes up 30%, a 30% improvement in efficiency would offset it.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 44:49Matt Farah?

  So, it costs you the same today to drive a Maverick as it costs you a month ago to drive an F-150.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:58Matt Farah?

  In gas. That's a, that's a way to look at it. There's some fucking Roger Faramath. That's not Roger Faramath. Roger Faramath.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  He would just calculate.

• 45:04Matt Farah?

  He would look at this entire thing and tell you how to solve that problem.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 45:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I can't do that shit.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I need, I need a calculator for it. I don't know, we'll see. Some people, some people asked in the comments, in the Patreon comments, what it will take for people to move to hybrids. And I think gas prices definitely has a, an effect.

• 45:25Matt Farah?

  If gas prices went up 50%, 75%, 100% for the length of their, of their lease, like, also, I dropped my pen, sorry. Also, Americans are not good long-term thinkers, obviously. And so, it might be as simple and as stupid as, how much is gas when my lease runs out? Or my, you know what I mean? Like, how much is gas this week when I'm thinking about buying a car? Versus like, if it, if it goes up, if gas goes up for six months, and then, and then for whatever reason, shady, somehow this war is over, you know, whatever, like,

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  some, some miracle causes it to go back to where it just was, right? In like, month seven, you'd be like, F-150, Raptor R, please. You know what I mean? Like, I, I think, I don't think, like, because that kind of has happened.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  Like, in the past with, with us.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  I think a lot of people, it is, I think it's kind of a national problem, is the lack of, the lack of financial education in grade school and high school, leads to so many problems. People over-finance everything.

• 46:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  And the short-term thinking, like you said, they go, well, gas is coming down, and I've really wanted this truck, or this exciting sports car, whatever, I'm really excited about it, and I just, I really want to have that thing, and you'll find ways to justify it, and then you'll buy it. And then, two years later, if something happens and gas goes up a lot, you're like, oh shit, I can't really drive this thing, it's gotten really expensive.

• 46:58Matt Farah?

  Because my, my, my colorblindness.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  Makes me sort of unable to see how big the spike is at the far right of this chart. Is the, is the spike? It's not as high as it was like

• 47:14Speaker 01

  No, it's right here.

• 47:14Matt Farah?

  That, that, the, the next top spike to the left, the big high spike, yeah. That, I, I remember that. That was when it was like, for a minute, it was like eight bucks in LA for a second.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So this is, uh, we're looking at macrotrends.net and in 2022, June 2022, uh, the national average was 484.

• 47:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  And this, right, this spike that we're looking at now from this month is, says 357, which is slightly behind what AAA shows, but this chart is a little less detailed, but.

• 47:42Matt Farah?

  I remember the 2022 one because someone went all around, all over the city, putting fucking Joe Biden did that stickers on all the gas pumps.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  And now you see the, the Trump, I did that meme is in a lot of, uh, stuff on social media today.

• 47:57Matt Farah?

  We reap what we sow, except if you're Donald Trump, then you actually don't. So, those are the things, really. I mean, I think those are, those are the things that, that I wanted to talk about today. Is there something that you wanted to?

• 48:11Speaker 01

  No. I spent the day editing LaVideo, so I didn't really read much car news.

• 48:16Matt Farah?

  Which video? MC20? Is that all right?

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Except for the audio situation, but.

• 48:23Matt Farah?

  The ghosts are sometimes in the machines.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:25Matt Farah?

  So Zach, Zach has me literally on video, turning the audio recorder on, hitting record, saying it, doing the slate, driving, talking. And it should have been file number four.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Should have been file four.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  Except there was another file called four.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Which we recorded after this in car.

• 48:47Matt Farah?

  Which was recorded afterwards and, uh, the file does not exist.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:52Matt Farah?

  And so, uh, there will be a section in the Maserati MC20 GT2 Stradale video where I hope my audio isn't noticeably different, but it might be slightly different.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  So the, the Adobe software, I'm going to, I'm handling it gently, like it, it, what it can fish out is amazing, but the more processing I use, the stranger it makes you sound.

• 49:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  And it's fighting with a V6 engine.

• 49:13Matt Farah?

  It's on a racetrack.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  On a racetrack, you know, GoPro audio. It does a pretty impressive job, but I'm trying to find that balance between where you sound like a totally different person and where we can't hear you at all.

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  But either way, this file. It's not that it's, it was like, it's not that it was like not transferred or something like I didn't get them all. It's like, it seems like even though it was there, it was not.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  That's what-

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  It was recorded into thin air.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I captured the footage, so this would be my fault, but I looked at the file numbers and I'm like, 1, 2, 3, 4, but 4 was created after the 4th shoot. How is that possible?

• 49:47Matt Farah?

  And you have me on video-

• 49:48Speaker 01

  I have you on video, looking at, look, when you're done, you're done driving in car-

• 49:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  And you pick up the recorder and look at it, and this is when I expected your eyes to go, "Fuck."

• 49:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  And you go, "Boop." And you're like, "Unspeed," and you set it down.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  So that's why I brought you this in attack, like, I have no idea what happened.

• 50:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look-

• 50:07Speaker 01

  This is what we discovered, so-

• 50:09Matt Farah?

  I mean, look-

• 50:09Speaker 01

  If it sounds a little funky, I'm sorry.

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  In this life, we do our best, and sometimes it doesn't always work.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:16Matt Farah?

  And then we fucking move on. That's, that's, that's-

• 50:20Speaker 01

  We used to get really sad and stressed.

• 50:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, I used to care very much about these things, and now-

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Still bad, but it's like, well, we made 2,300 videos and sometimes the recorder doesn't record.

• 50:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and like, you know, what happens? Like, 4 people notice, because they're listening on their, like, fuck-

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Their sonos system.

• 50:38Matt Farah?

  They have a private movie theater in their house just for watching YouTube videos.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, let's go to the people. I'm sure they have a lot to say. They usually do. Uh, patreon.com/thesmokingtarpodcast is where you, uh, ask the questions for the live show, and then subsequently watch the live show to hear their answers. It's where also you can get the show before everybody else. It's where you can get extra show every month. It's where you can get the show without ads. And it's the best way, honestly, to, uh, support your favorite podcast creators. Uh, and also entering to win a 992 Turbo S, that is, but Patreon's recurring. What can I say? Uh, but we love you folks, and so we're gonna get to your questions.

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  Two new patrons coming in hot, Hamdan, Hamdan, Hamdan. I assume it's Hamdan. That would make sense, but also.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  If it's Hamdan, respect.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Or Ham Don would be nice, cause he's like, he's like the Don of ham.

• 51:41Matt Farah?

  That is true. It probably is not compatible with someone named Hamdan. All that pork.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 51:48Matt Farah?

  But I'm just saying, whether you go one way or the other on that issue, I'm with you. For fun weekend driving, would you suggest a manual swapped Ferrari F430? Or pay up and get a Scooterya? I've driven a Speciale and a Pista, and as much as I love the rawness, it wasn't great for long drives or when you're not in the aggressive mood. I'm with you. Manual 430 swapped, maybe make it a Spider? And you are very much in the weekend driving business, my friend.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  That's all right. That's why, I never drove a swapped one, but I've, that's not true. I drove that, that Scud.

• 52:27Matt Farah?

  That was built by those shady people, but um, I drove a factory 430 Spider and it was absolutely a delight. Everything you could, in a stick, everything you could want. And I assume if the, if the Swaperoo is, is factory level feel, then you'll have a really, really nice time. They're, they're good. They're fucking good, those cars. They're stout too. You could beat the shit out of them.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  It's a sturdy Ferrari.

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  They are very, very sturdy. I really like that about them. Base trim, also coming in new this week, wants to talk about B pillars. As a design element, I think we've moved beyond all B pillars being black. Would a body colored B pillar be better? I don't like when the exterior of a door is made of one material, but then plastic is used for the B pillar. I think they're trying to make that space in between those two windows smaller to the point of disappearing. I think that's the point of making it.

• 53:30Matt Farah?

  Black, right?

• 53:31Speaker 01

  I'm trying to pull some profile pictures, but yeah, I think it's, it's like making it neutral. You know, it's where black shoes with a suit, because you can wear them with almost any colored suit or something like that. It's just, it's kind of like, let, let the lines of the car speak, and you don't need these things to hop out.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I think, I have a feeling that in manufacturing of these cars, if you think about like a unibody that's being assembled, having that B pillar be body color would be like fuck all expensive.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  I think that's a great point.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  You'd have to make it out of metal, the same metal.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Because if you painted it, if it wasn't metal, if it wasn't the same material as the door, it would fade at different rates probably, so it would look different after a year or five years. And I think, good point, Matt, is that painting it alone, painting smaller things can be more difficult, painting the edges, like the way the thickness of the paint adheres to a corner versus a flat surface. So the door, they can just shoot that, it's probably more, a little bit more consistent than painting this tiny strip.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I agree that in some cases it would look better painted. But I also think I understand why they don't do it. I think.

• 54:45Matt Farah?

  I'm also an idiot, so who knows. Drew Moog says, um...

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Okay. The other, do you have, okay, do you have a reliable way of informing someone their high beams are on without yelling at them?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  No, and I wish I had one, and their example, like, I've been on at, you know, whatever, intersections where I think the other car is facing up a hill slightly, so their beams are shining in my eyeballs, and, and sometimes you'll flash your high beams and they have their lows on, it's just they have all four lows on like an Acura or a BMW. It is what it is. But no, short of a bullhorn, there's no way.

• 55:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I agree. I don't, I don't think there's a great way. I think, I think, um... There's been some funny attempts at like vehicle to vehicle communication, including this one company that's basically made the whole front of their car like a TV. Have you seen that thing?

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Is it, uh...

• 55:41Matt Farah?

  Was it the Faraday?

• 55:42Speaker 01

  Faraday did with the, with the van.

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, and so...

• 55:46Speaker 01

  But they didn't say in the press release that's for telling people to go fuck themselves and that their high beams are on.

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  You know, the world finds a way.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  That's very true.

• 55:57Matt Farah?

  575 Super Dave America says, "After, after misreading one of your posts about Trump, he thinks you're glazing him and appoints you ambassador to Cuba."

• 56:09Speaker 01

  You're in charge.

• 56:10Matt Farah?

  That's, that's actually possible. Uh, you have the power to bring five vehicle models from around the world to take over from the aging 50 cars. These models and no others will be available in Cuba for 10 years. What cars? This is so easy. This is so easy. The, the, the 1990's Toyota Corolla. Absolutely fucking unkillable.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  Forerunner.

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  The forerunner.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  From the same era?

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  The forerunner. Uh huh. Right?

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  Um, the, uh, uh, the Honda Civic.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 56:49Matt Farah?

  1990, late 1990's, early 2000's Honda Civic. All single cams. No dual overhead cams. All the, all the single cam engines.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  The V8 powered Tundra would be a great one, but I'm, I'm throwing that as a sixth option because it's another boring Toyota option.

• 57:05Matt Farah?

  I would say the like, the like, uh,

• 57:11Matt Farah?

  the, the Taco. Like the Tacoma.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 57:14Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 57:15Speaker 01

  I wanna, I think, I actually think an EV. It's like a simple, early one.

• 57:20Matt Farah?

  Have you read about their power grid?

• 57:21Speaker 01

  No, but it exists.

• 57:22Matt Farah?

  They don't have any. All you need, you don't need to read. They don't have power.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  They don't have one?

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  No. They have, their, their whole country apparently runs on generators or something approximating generators and they don't have any. Yeah. No, you need a, you need a car that can effectively run on urine. That's like really where we need to be.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  I saw a video, I think it was from Cuba. This guy converted his car to run on coal, but I think it was like a steam, a coal-fired steam situation. Very, very clever.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  But he did say he would prefer gasoline. Yeah. He's like, it's easier.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  Fucking no shit, man.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  But he's like, hey buddy, made it happen. Yeah.

• 57:57Matt Farah?

  Bro, that's crazy. Jeep Wrangler Dragon Edition allegedly. Have either of you tried careers that disappointed you and required a pivot? Zach was a waiter, yo.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  I was good at it though.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  But it had a ceiling.

• 58:11Matt Farah?

  I sold shoes and I'm proud of it.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  I mean, I've been doing this for 20 something, 20 years now, so I mean, I don't have My career changes were in youth. I don't have a good one.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  I produced, I worked as a PA on a reality TV show for two weeks and I immediately knew I never wanted to do that again. That would be the closest thing.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah, I mean, I wanted to be a photographer. That didn't work out. It wasn't that it disappointed me, it was that I couldn't make any money. I wanted to be a graphic, I then was gonna be a graphic designer, I was bored to tears. I then was gonna run a car wash. No. And now we park cars, so it's okay. Ball Caddy, if you could eliminate two bad driver habits, one for safety and one annoying, what would they be? I wrote down, Ball Caddy, this one. This is a driver habit. The car is not necessarily in motion, but things that really grind my gears. And I wrote this down for today's

• 59:20Matt Farah?

  show. I didn't, we didn't do it as a topic, but it's a really good answer to your question. People who drive their cool cars in public, and if you take a picture of the car, they ask you to blur the license plate out. Eat a dick. You get to choose, bringing your toy out in public and taking everything that goes with that, or leave that motherfucker at home.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Did someone send you a picture of a green Ferrari that had this?

• 59:49Matt Farah?

  Yup.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  And I told the person who sent me the photo, cool spot, why did you blur the license plate?

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Same.

• 1:00:04Matt Farah?

  They said, they asked. And I said, that person's a huge loser.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  And I said Montana, and they said, yes, and the car was not in Montana.

• 1:00:11Matt Farah?

  No, you don't get to, you don't get that deference dude, you don't get to be shady. And then I have, it's my responsibility to fucking cover you, cover for you in public.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  You brought the car to a car show, that's the thing. Like the car is out, it's at a thing to be seen.

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  Fuck outta here, bro.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Let people just post the photo, and it really doesn't matter. And like, if the AG wants to find you, they're gonna look, they're gonna find your car through registration through a dealership. They're not gonna find you on Instagram, on Joe's Instagram page, so. I would add, if you're at the front of a line in traffic for a light, you cannot look at your phone. You're not allowed to look at your phone if you are the first person in line at a stoplight. Because the number of people that mess that up, yeah, they can look for the big cue of the car moving. But you need to focus on that light.

• 1:00:59Matt Farah?

  Right, it's your job up front.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  You have one job.

• 1:01:01Matt Farah?

  Right, you're right.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  Going top-down with the top-down.

• 1:01:10Matt Farah?

  I'm not.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Think it's topless with the top-down.

• 1:01:12Matt Farah?

  Going, oh, topless, oh, titties, it's a titties joke, right. What do you think the values of the F90 M5CS and F87M2CS are going to do in the near future? Is the F90 the last one?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Well, that one will be valuable because people won't want the hybrid.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that car drove awesome.

• 1:01:36Matt Farah?

  It did drive awesome, I just thought the seats were stupid.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  The seats are stupid, the rest of it's great.

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  I think in the short term, they will hold. I think in the long term, they may not, like all computer-controlled cars.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Probably true, the M2, you know, it's kind of a legend, and the legends tend to do pretty well. So I think it might just hold like the 1M did. Especially now that the new M2CS is out.

• 1:02:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Front-wheel-drive NSX, in a recent Cletus video, he found out that Richard Childress Racing builds some Singer engines. Any other odd crossovers from race teams to street car stuff that you know of? Uh, I mean, Tom Walken Shaw Racing did a lot of stuff, Jag XG220, uh, things like that. Obviously Cosworth has done a ton of work for people like Aston Martin, um.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  McLaren.

• 1:02:30Matt Farah?

  McLaren.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  And, uh, Gordon Murray's.

• 1:02:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, GMA for sure. Um, I mean, I'll also, I mean, Singer has had a lot of different, um, uh, very, very well regarded people build their engines from Porsche Motorsport North America to Ed Pink Racing Engines to fucking Williams. I mean, there's, there's been a ton of stuff from them.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I'm curious if they have multiple people building engines at the same time just because they have so many cars that they need suppo- they need that many engines?

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  For the classics, they were. When they were, when they had the tiny shop and they were doing the all classics, there was like a couple of different ways you could get engines and then they were trying out some different people, I think, uh, as they were growing. And I think they've got good, they're not, their vendors have always been good. But like, there have been a few different people.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  I wonder if, you know, like NASCAR teams do R and D for people like Chevy or Ford, you know, Mustang stuff. And then once they can, because they can just move more nimbly and just R and D it. And then like if it gets approved, it gets put into like the assembly line.

• 1:03:40Matt Farah?

  HWA, um, which recently was in the news because they're doing this 190 Evo sort of repop thing. It's like a completely new like car. Like, have you seen that thing? Look up the HWA Evo, I guess. It, it, it looks like a Mercedes 190 Evo 2, but it's like, uh, it's like fully, fully everything. It's everything. It's one of those.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Matt Farah?

  Um, but this company, um, which you may have, if you weren't like deeply nerdy, thought, thought maybe the company sort of came out of nowhere. They actually build the engines that are in the Wyra R race cars.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They don't use, because those Mercedes V12s are like cool, but they redline it like 60, like that's not that like, like for those engines, like you can't actually do that with the Mercedes motors.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So that's, so they're doing these, which is pretty cool.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  There was that Pratt and Miller C6 RS thing that we drove that was, uh, that was official.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  The red one.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  The red one. That one just dug, that car just sold at auction. I don't know what it got, but it was at auction, yeah. Uh, Matt's Miller Industries Century M100 Tow Rig. Uh, the, the Monoxide Podcast likes to ask all their guests, give us a show car, a daily and a track car unlimited budget. Uh, what's yours and Zach's?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  How do we define show car? Does it work? Can it be driven?

• 1:05:11Matt Farah?

  It has to be driven. I think it has to, it has to physically work as a car, but it could be a show car. Uh, I could do this. I could do this. A show car.

• 1:05:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, I, I mean, unlimited budget, it would have to be something French from the 1930s. It'd have to be a Delage or a De La Hay or a Bugatti Atlantic, you know, or something that looks like a bunch of teardrops with an engine, you know, some crazy ass French shit. Um, that like, is like Pebble Beach level show, show car, but that you could drive. Track car, uh, that Gordon, the new Gordon Murray thing that's whatever seconds fast.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  GT3 thing?

• 1:05:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, one of them.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's kind of perfect.

• 1:06:00Matt Farah?

  And ultimate daily?

• 1:06:03Matt Farah?

  Nothing beats a Taycan. I'd say a Taycan, uh, no, I would say a Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid with Active Ride.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Okay, I would go, I'd go Low Rider, I think, like 64 Impala.

• 1:06:19Matt Farah?

  Good choice.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  And then daily, I'm gonna go with Ranger Raptor. Uh, and track car?

• 1:06:32Matt Farah?

  God, that's really hard.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  I'll go a unicorn. Even though I don't know if you can really drive it on a racetrack, but.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Can you set up a road course? They'd be like, what are you, what are you on about?

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  That's true. My track car, I mean, as cool as that Gordon Murray thing is, my track car might have to be a drift car. I don't think I.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  I think your choice is near perfect. I just didn't want to have the same choice, but it's like, it's a Gordon Murray car.

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  You kind of want to have a drift car.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, but if you want to be gripped up also, just learn to slide that thing.

• 1:07:03Matt Farah?

  PTS Normal, do you have a favorite autocross and/or track tire? That's hard because I don't have the same car that I drive on like eight different tires, like a regular person. Every car has like its own tires, like their own, even their own compounds, like a Pilot Sport Cup 2 Porsche and a Pilot Sport Cup 2 BMW and a Pilot Sport Cup 2 like, you know, whatever fucking Corvette are actually kind of different. So I don't really have a good choice for that.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I went, I went on the Hoosier launch for the Track Attack Pro, which was a very good track and autocross tire. But I don't want to be biased and say like, that's the best one. So I would say PTS Normal should go read like grassroots motorsports.

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Those folks, they know tires inside and out and they will have all the comparisons for tires in that class that you need.

• 1:07:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I would say if an underrated tire that I liked, that I've, I've not really taken on the track, but my Spyder came with those Dunlops, the SP Sport Max 2. And I thought they had

• 1:08:13Matt Farah?

  equal grip over a longer period of time and better long-term wear than Michelin Cup 2s. I'm not a huge Cup 2 guy. I love the Pilot Sport 4S and S5, but I've never like loved Cup 2s, including on this BMW. Those, those tires did not impress me at all, although they might've been pre-tracked before we got the car.

• 1:08:40Matt Farah?

  Giggedy Airlines says the Cars and Bids crew were struggling to define a sports car. What's your definition?

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  I think it's a car whose main objective is to be enjoyable to drive and have, you know, perform.

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  On track, roads, etc.

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'd say it's any car that puts driving dynamics above things like practicality and space. You know what I mean?

• 1:09:12Matt Farah?

  It's really, it could be any car, it could be a sedan, I would say it probably can't be an SUV by nature, but like, it could be a coupe convertible sedan, engine could be in the front, in the back, in the middle. That doesn't really matter, but like, the car should have, should be compromised in other ways in order to be good at driving. That might mean a stiff suspension, that might mean it's small, that might mean it's, doesn't have certain features. Right?

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Matt Farah?

  I think so.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  That's what I think.

• 1:09:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Matt Farah?

  Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel, wants to get a radar detector. Do you use radar detectors? What do you think? How do you set them up? And what is the move? So, I'm not a, there's a, there's a, what's the radar guy? We had, Vortex Radar? Is that, was that him? The YouTube channel where the guy tests radar detectors?

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:10:10Matt Farah?

  I believe it was Vortex Radar, who was like a guy who's just tests radar detectors. And so, he's very objective about this kind of stuff. I have had a pretty foolproof methodology for the last 10-plus years, which is, I have a Valentine, I now have the two, I used to have the one, I now have the two. And I combine that with Waze. And honestly, them two together, that's pretty foolproof. You're, you're, you're pretty rarely gonna get caught out if you're running both of those together.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  I think the only thing to add to those two things is attention. You just, you have to look at Waze. You gotta look for those alerts and you have to have long. Down the road.

• 1:10:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and you have to know how to listen to the language that a radar detector. Because like radar detectors are like chirps and boops and beeps and shit. I don't like radar detectors that have like a lot of app integration. But I don't like, I like, I like a radar detector to operate standalone without the need for a phone.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh god, yes, absolutely.

• 1:11:11Matt Farah?

  And I use the, um, the logic modes. I think it's called advanced, it might be called advanced logic mode in the Valentine two. It's the small L, not the big L. And it effectively filters out almost anything other than very strong K A, uh, excuse me. Very strong K band and K A. It filters out all X and weak K signals.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  What you want, because X was basically seven 11 doors that open automatically, which would go off a lot back in the early days of radar. And then a lot of cars nowadays with a park, with the proximity sensors, that was setting off a lot of these things.

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  That's like K band light.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Matt Farah?

  And so the newest Valentine twos ignore those. And I know, I've heard the passport is good, there's people like that, there's people that like other brands.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  I think Escort has arrows now.

• 1:12:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Valentine had arrows proprietary for a while and now some other one, I think their, whatever their patent ran out. Or the time that they were allowed to have that, but, um, but yeah, the combination of a quality radar detector, um, which will be a couple hundred bucks, I mean, you're probably looking at 500.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  Combination of that in ways is pretty foolproof. And then if that doesn't help you, off the record, baby, off the record dot com slash T S T.

• 1:12:33Matt Farah?

  Well, I, do I want to read that one? I don't know if that one's, I agree, accidental reverse entry says that we, we, we, we appear to be pretty grounded while being somewhat successful and having financial means. Um, I don't know, man, I don't think we have as much money as you think we have.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Correct, yeah.

• 1:12:57Matt Farah?

  It's not that I have a lot of money, it's that my spending habits are incredibly reckless. I just saw that meme on a watch forum. It's like, you think I'm successful, actually I am incredibly reckless.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  The average savings account has less than $500, isn't it?

• 1:13:14Matt Farah?

  I mean, but yes, the example that you used of the $1,400 rental car being expensive, like that was expensive for that rental car.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  For four days, right?

• 1:13:23Matt Farah?

  For ice race, uh, 20, it was six days with a Chevy Blazer. Trailblazer, no, Blazer. Blazer. Blazer, yeah, and it was 1400. Uh, Ali Denishvar says, can you enjoy going to the track without being a competitive person? 100%. Going to the track can be about your lap times, if you want it to be. Going to the track can also be about finding the limit of your car, sliding around a little bit, maybe, uh, just, just going faster than you would be legally allowed to go on the street.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Sure, driving in a manner you can't on the street.

• 1:14:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, hanging out, hanging out with your buds. Um, yes, of course. Uh, learning something, it could be about learning. I mean, you, you can go and there's instructors who will help you get better at driving and those skills will back translate to the street.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  And I think you can be competitive with yourself in terms of trying to learn and improve those lap times, but you don't have to be competitive with other people and go, oh, you set a 201, I'm at 207, do I need to buy parts or come out here more? Like, oh, okay, good for you, I'm just trying to work on me, yeah.

• 1:14:32Matt Farah?

  That's also true, like, a track day isn't an actual race. Like, you're, you're effectively racing yourself at a track day. And if you're in one of the advanced groups where it's open passing and you're like dicing it up with somebody, like, okay, cool, do that, but like, you're not racing them, you know, so, uh, you, like, uh, you can, you can, and also, I suspect that once you are on to the racetrack and have a lap time and have a time to beat, people tend to get competitive once presented.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Matt Farah?

  I don't know if I said it on the podcast, but I certainly said it to the team that I race with, which is that I don't give a fuck if we win this race or if we finish dead last, unless we might be on podium at the halfway point. And then, all of a sudden, nothing else matters.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Matt Farah?

  You know, I am out here racing for funsies, oh wait, you mean we could win? Never mind.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:33Matt Farah?

  You know? Uh...

• 1:15:36Matt Farah?

  Blue shoes and blue clues. I've been driving my N D Miata with an exhaust, uh, wearing AirPod Pros with the, in the adaptive sound noise cancelling mode. They seem to filter out so many unpleasant frequencies of N V H and wind while making the exhaust sound even better. Have you ever had the same experience? Yes, 100% yes. When I drove my Ferrari 328 to Pebble Beach, I did it with noise cancelling earbuds the whole way. And it made the engine sound beautiful.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:16:06Matt Farah?

  It eliminated every squeak and rattle in the car and I listened to, and it complimented, uh, the, the level of the music perfectly with the volume of the Ferrari engine. And it, it actually was one of the best drives I ever had in that car.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I drive with noise cancelling, uh, I actually fuck with Raycons now. Uh, the AirPods don't stay in my ears. The Raycons actually stay in place.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  We are not sponsored by them right now.

• 1:16:31Matt Farah?

  We're not, although they did acquire about a month ago.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:35Matt Farah?

  And so you may hear an ad, but either way, that's not why I have these. They didn't send them. I've had them for a while. They fit in my fucking ears. So anyway, I, I wear them in the mags a lot, like obviously, because I just don't have a radio anyway. And this, I have the same exact experience in the mags.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  It filters out all the high frequency shit.

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, totally, totally have it. And if you're driving an old car, could be a Miata, it could be a muscle car, it could be whatever. Try it because it will make your car sound like it's got a bunch of dynamat in it.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, elitist Arowan shopper says you can steal one car from three friends. What are you taking and from whom? Great question.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'd steal your Spyder.

• 1:17:18Matt Farah?

  Okay, I'm glad, uh, that makes me happy.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I would steal Vinnie's Cadillac, assuming it's in good working order.

• 1:17:25Matt Farah?

  It was last I saw it.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  And I would steal Larry Chen's.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  I might actually steal, you know, I might steal three of his cars. I would steal.

• 1:17:36Matt Farah?

  All three of Larry Chen's cars?

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  I would steal his R34 because it's perfect.

• 1:17:40Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Matt Farah?

  Okay. Uh, I would, I would take, uh, uh, Matt Katz's F40.

• 1:17:50Matt Farah?

  Um, I would then take the, I didn't, we forgot to talk about, I would then take the gold Singer DLS that I drove on Sunday. That was mind bendingly good.

• 1:18:07Matt Farah?

  And I would then take.

• 1:18:17Matt Farah?

  Ooh, fucking, who's got something like just fuck the titties?

• 1:18:27Matt Farah?

  I mean Larry's, Larry's R thirty four is a great one.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  He's got the thirty two, which is California legal.

• 1:18:33Matt Farah?

  Nah, you know.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  But the thirty four is right there.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  Ah, it's right there. I would then have to take Leno's McLaren F one.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  Right? He's, he's friend enough. I could, I could call him a friend. I think he's been kind of fun. Did you see his, uh, his commercial for the Yamaha Corvette giveaway? It's on like, it's everywhere. I don't know. They must be running this shit now.

• 1:18:54Speaker 01

  I'll probably hear it.

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  But honestly, I'll have to ask him if I see him. I might have to even text him. It sounds like, it looks, it, it sounds like it was made by AI. Like there's like, uh, there's like a shot of him walking up to a Corvette and getting in and like giving a thumbs up. But the voiceover sounds like if you had AI do Leno. And there's no shot of him speaking.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  I wonder if they did.

• 1:19:17Matt Farah?

  I don't know. Guys, I can't make it. You just fucking, just chat GPT and whatever. I don't know. I'll have to text him and ask.

• 1:19:26Matt Farah?

  Listen and sometimes watch what mileage and condition of car makes for the best manual swap. The nicest one you can find or something with some while you're in there is good question. Very easy answer. One with a blown E gear pump or F one pump or a blown clutch.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  If it needs drivetrain work, transmission work anyway, that's the best one.

• 1:19:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. Particularly because the clutch you're replacing anyway, and the E gear pump you're throwing in the garbage. So if someone's dumping their Gallardo or R eight or Ferrari, because the F one, the hydraulic pump that controls that is out. You, that's your gold mine right there.

• 1:20:06Matt Farah?

  Wheat City Night Court says, "Is there a new car on sale today which if seen in the wild is almost certainly owned by a car nerd?" Um, I would say the GR Corolla. I've never met someone with a GR Corolla that didn't really like driving.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:20:22Matt Farah?

  If you have an Ioniq 5N, you are a pretty big nerd. I've seen some people on the mountain like mobbing Ioniq 5Ns. They are fucking so fast on the mountain, they will, they will walk away from a BMW M3, no problem.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  The torque is ridiculous and the grip is insane.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  They're so fucking fast, dude.

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  Uh, like a BRZTS? I don't think they still sell those.

• 1:20:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  But that's like...

• 1:20:51Matt Farah?

  If you have some special, special edition of a, of a fucking really low-powered car.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  I saw the, what was the green one, um, they did that was, started with an H, it was named after that road. I saw one of those in the wild the other day. I reviewed one like six years ago and went, "Oh, wow, someone spent the extra six grand for the green."

• 1:21:07Matt Farah?

  If you have a Nismo Z, that's pretty, you're pretty, you're pretty car nerdy if you have a Nismo Z, right?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  I think so. But then the Nismo's gonna come out. That's also pretty...

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  That's what I just said.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought you meant, oh, I gotta mix up.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, I didn't say Nissan, a Nismo. Nismo, sorry. Did I thought, did I?

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  I, I, I have Nissan Z Performance stuck in my head from last week.

• 1:21:29Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:21:32Matt Farah?

  Um, jacking off the record, if you could gift each other a $25,000 car, what would you pick for each other?

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  25 used, I assume.

• 1:21:40Matt Farah?

  Do you want, do you want a daily or do you want a drift car?

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Drift car.

• 1:21:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, I would get, I would get you a, a pretty decent Nissan Z drift car from somebody.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  What do you want?

• 1:21:50Matt Farah?

  Or like a 240 with an LS that someone's just tired of and has no, like, has those bumpers that are just a bar, just one, one bar.

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  Sure. Well, yeah, with the center jack point, right.

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  Do you want a drift car or you want a daily?

• 1:22:04Matt Farah?

  Legends.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  A brand-new, I want a brand-new factory.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  New Legends car with a boost of engine.

• 1:22:09Matt Farah?

  Legends car wagon.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:22:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, the wagon's a good one. The long roof, yeah.

• 1:22:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, Randy says, "Besides the obvious fascism thing, what do you think of the IndyCar America 250 race?"

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  I'm glad they asked because the track map, proposed map was laid out, um...

• 1:22:30Matt Farah?

  I will, I will absolutely, I will admit that my political bias here sees this event in a certain way. Totally does. If it was not even necessarily like a Republican president, like just a fucking normal human, you know what I mean? Where everything wasn't like an assault on freedoms? If it was like, if it was like our country's 250th anniversary and it was like even fucking George W. Bush was the president. And they said, "Yeah, we're gonna have a, we're gonna have a race in DC." I'd be like, "All right, like, cool." Right? Wouldn't, would you, Zach?

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, when they proposed this a few weeks ago, I said on the show, I was like, "Of the, like, this is a pretty cool idea." As far as the mandates go. This is pretty rad. And we looked at the map and I said, "I think they have a lot of good opportunity here to make a good track." And that's why I want to pull up the map because I don't think they did as much as they could.

• 1:23:30Matt Farah?

  I, I have to say, that map and, I don't know, that, it doesn't to me look like an expert level racetrack. It looks pretty fucking Mickey Mouse, the shape of it.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, so I'm gonna put it on the screen for everybody.

• 1:23:50Matt Farah?

  It doesn't look great.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  It's just, so for people who are listening, it's a lot of, one, two, there's 390 degree corners, a sort of, I guess that'd be like 120, long straightaway.

• 1:24:02Matt Farah?

  There's a 120, there's an open one, I mean...

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  What does this look like? This looks like a map of, oh, what state is this? This looks, if you rotate it.

• 1:24:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, oh, it looks like Alabama.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  It does, it's Alabama.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  It looks like Alabama has fallen over.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like, but with less curve. So, I was just, I looked at this and I got kinda disappointed because when we looked at the National Gallery, like, area map before, when this was all proposed.

• 1:24:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  I went, "Okay, like, you got some, like, you could, why not incorporate these bridge roundabouts here?"

• 1:24:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we had, we had things with curves in them, like natural curves.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of opportunity, like this Lower Senate Park, this has a nice curve to it. There's just a lot of cool stuff and they ended up with this... I mean, this makes the Vegas F1 map.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Look amazing.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Look amazing.

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  That has a little, and that's a pretty like, you know, straight turn, straight turn kind of place.

• 1:24:51Matt Farah?

  No, dude, I mean, it was, but the Vegas track, you know, as one of a very few people who drove it, it had a flow. It did have like this, this to me says, straightaway corner, straightaway corner.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  A lot of drag races, right?

• 1:25:05Matt Farah?

  Like, it's kind of like Long Beach, dude. Like, Long Beach, like, I'm sorry, I love that we have a race, but I drove the Long Beach track and it sucks. It's like not a fun track because of the same reason.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  So, uh, and yeah, do I think fucking Donald Trump's a fucking dickbag? Like, yeah, I do. And if this was a normal president, even a normal Republican one, I'd go, okay, all right, cool. But I, I, I'm still in the process of wondering just how the fascism will be attached to this particular event.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  Which flag will they unfold?

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  Find a way. Uh, the Swinging Tire says, favorite BMW CS car. Oh, so easy. The original.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Oh, the original?

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  3.3 point RCSL Batmobile.

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. Is the fear of exorbitant and frequent maintenance for McLarens justified or overblown? If it's, if, if overblown, would you still purchase a 720S? Or would you stick to more mainstream brands like Porsche with palatable maintenance? I think McLarens work pretty well when they're driven a lot. I would get a McLaren and drive, use it as my car. I would not want a McLaren that I drove once a month. We have a couple of customers that drive their McLaren 570s, mind you, all the fucking time. One guy in particular has a bunch of miles on that orange one down there. Car's ace. Always works.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:26:35Matt Farah?

  Nope, not like changes the oil.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:26:38Matt Farah?

  Puts tires on it. The car always works. We had another one that sat and sat and sat, always fucking broken. It's, it's, I think even more, there's a lot of cars like that, McLarens in particular. They need to be driven like a ton. That thirteen thousand mile car I took to Pebble that year, fucking ace. That's the car. So, I would buy one and I would drive the shit out of it. I wouldn't want a McLaren unless I could use it as my car. Like my everyday car. I would not wanna.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  You'd have to get if you had two cars. You'd have your, you have a Taycan and a McLaren. You couldn't have six. Yeah.

• 1:27:14Matt Farah?

  Or you ball out and use it as a daily.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Or that.

• 1:27:17Matt Farah?

  I'd keep my Spyder in the garage for weekends and daily the McLaren.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  I think you'd get tired of that after a couple of months. I think because the car is twin turbo, like you gotta warm it up, but you know, your, your errands are short.

• 1:27:31Matt Farah?

  Daily.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  I know, they're very, they're comfortable.

• 1:27:33Matt Farah?

  So many times, they're so easy. If you get the comfort seats and you get a coupe, so the roof cutouts, so you can plop down in there. It's got a nice trunk. I've daily'd these cars for weeks at a time. It's no big deal. They're easy. They're so easy. That's why it's so lame when people don't daily them.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  So, are, someone around the corner did this one?

• 1:27:51Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, I know that dude.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's chill. He's, he's fucking great, but man, his was, his is the, the blue color. And it's the same color as the, the like launch color for the C8 Corvette. And man, when the fucking Corvette came out and people, and then people asked him if he, his was the Corvette. Oh, he felt like fucking asshole.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Oh man.

• 1:28:12Matt Farah?

  His car is so sick.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it looks nice.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  He's on his second one.

• 1:28:17Matt Farah?

  The money or the hammer, you can't have both. What's an example of a reliable car from a historically unreliable company?

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  We talked about, I think the Alfa Giulia 2.0 is known for being pretty good. And Alfa's not so great reputation.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  The F4, I mean the F430.

• 1:28:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think both the 430 and the 360 Ferrari are, are very, I actually like, the 458 is really reliable.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I think that's more reliable, yeah.

• 1:28:48Matt Farah?

  Also, Huracans are fucking great. Huracans are super, super reliable.

• 1:28:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I actually, I think the, I don't know if there's a better example of reliable car from a car, a company known for unreliable cars than the Huracan. That's a fucking, that, anybody could daily drive a Huracan. And if you don't daily, if you drive it like once, they still work like fine. They're so easy. Uh, bad PPI8.

• 1:29:24Matt Farah?

  Uh, Matt, you recently bought a Relikt guitar, the Mike McCready signature, which has been a popular offering for a couple of decades now among guitarists, though not without controversy. Uh, do you think the same concept of making a new thing look like an old and well-used thing will be popular among car enthusiasts now that vintage cars with patina are commanding what seems to be the same or more than a restored example? Fake patina.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  I don't think that would pull a lot of money. Also, for a bad PPI8, like, the patina thing isn't new. This was, this term got thrown around a lot in the early aughts, like, as the pro touring thing came about. Um, you know, people would take muscle cars that look old, and they would refurb all the suspension, chassis, etc., and it would have patina, and then they'd rip. So, but I, I don't know if putting fake patina on something would probably never command a higher price than clean paint or real patina.

• 1:30:17Matt Farah?

  Sure. Um, with my guitar, I really like it. I, but I, I care less about the patina than I care about the fact that when I plug that guitar in with no pedals or anything else, it sounds exactly like Pearl Jam. It sounds exactly like Mike McCready's guitar sound. So like, you fucking play the opening notes of Yellow Ledbetter on that, and like, you're in Pearl Jam. Like, so, to me, for, after many, many years of like, playing what is effectively 90% Pearl Jam songs on like, other guitars, because I liked them for one

• 1:30:59Matt Farah?

  reason or another, having this one that sounds like Pearl Jam is like, oh yeah, this makes a lot of sense, actually. Um, I think if it was mechanically or electronically what it is and didn't have the aesthetic patina, I'd probably still be into it.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  But I get it. I don't think I'd buy fake patina on a car, but like, this guitar isn't designed to look like any 1959 Strat. It's designed to look and play and sound exactly like one person's specific guitar.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  59 Strat?

• 1:31:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like Mike McCready's, but like that he's been playing with since like, it's like in the, I don't know if it's in the Alive video, but I'm pretty sure it's in at least one of the music videos from 10. Like, he's been playing this guitar forever, and if you look at music videos and live performances over the years, you can see this guitar getting like more and more and more weathered. It's pretty fucking awesome.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  But it's a 1959, what is it?

• 1:32:02Matt Farah?

  It's a Stratocaster. It's a Fender Strat. His is.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Matt Farah?

  And it would be worth a fucking fortune.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  But my point is like, this person says, do we think the same concept of making a new thing look like an old thing, but in this case, his is an old guitar.

• 1:32:17Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Right? So they made your new guitar sound like an old guitar.

• 1:32:21Matt Farah?

  Mine is a 2023 or whatever it is guitar that looks like his. Now, it helps that a brand new, like the Stratocaster hasn't really changed aesthetically.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Right. If you try to take a new car to make it feel like an old car.

• 1:32:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  You'd have to like, I don't know, break it.

• 1:32:37Matt Farah?

  It would look so stupid.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  And it would work too well.

• 1:32:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I think what they're doing in cars is like, like with what Marco did with that air-cooled 911 that you drove, where they just sort of leave it rough unfinished. They leave the patina. They might, there's some paint, there's like some paint you can put on cars to like make them rust a little bit. Like, I've seen stuff like that.

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  I can't imagine them doing it with a new car.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it would look weird.

• 1:33:06Matt Farah?

  That'd be so weird.

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  Ocean Parkway Blunt Rider.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 1:33:15Matt Farah?

  Now that the M badge is available in some capacity on basically everything BMW sells, has it lost all meaning, or does a true M car elicit the same response it did 20 years ago? Is there an opportunity for BMW to do what Caddy did with the Blackwing and create an additional sub-brand?

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  That's what the CS is, right? I mean, the CS is the hardcore enthusiast model of the M brand.

• 1:33:37Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. I agree to a certain extent, yeah, but I think, uh, I mean, a true M car, I mean...

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  M cars are really fucking fast, but they also

• 1:33:54Matt Farah?

  they don't do a lot for me in a lot of ways, like the M5 and the M3 and M4 and M8. Don't really like excite me in the way that an E46 M3 and a shark nose E31 and a and a uh uh uh an E39 M5 like sort of did. I thought I maybe it might have just been that that was a pinnacle to me of like styling and engines and driver engagement and the new cars are like much faster, but don't like do it for me in the same way.

• 1:34:26Speaker 01

  I think we also can't discount our exposure. Like at that time in our, we were like late teens, early twenties. We were just, you know, every magazine like these, I think the M cars at the time were very unique in their their combination of performance and comfort, but it was also like we were so excited about cars and weren't saturated with information the way we are now. We've driven more stuff. You can get the Blackwing is a good example. Like now Cadillac has a car that can do what the M3 and M5 used to do and that didn't exist before. So for me, it was like, I put those on a pinnacle because they were the best. They were the best sedan at the time.

• 1:35:00Matt Farah?

  When that E39 M5 came out, it was like, that was a real game changer.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  400 horsepower. I mean, that was, it was Corvette horsepower. It had, it handled well. It looked good and it was a luxury thing. And Mercedes at the time had a five speed auto. Yeah, you were awesome. And they, they also did a good job of marketing with the, the driver films.

• 1:35:17Matt Farah?

  The Guy Ritchie films.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  The Guy Ritchie stuff. So it's all those things combined.

• 1:35:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna call the game there. The wife is waiting for me for dinner, you see? And uh, we got, we'll hold, we'll hold any interesting questions for the next show. We got a lot to talk about next show. We got the BMW CS. We got the Volvo EX30 and I didn't even get to review the fucking DLS I drove over the weekend.

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  I didn't know you did.

• 1:35:39Matt Farah?

  I have, it was, I went to go to breakfast, me and Christian, took the Manx. I was so excited to have the Manx back. Uh, with the tires back on it, the right tires and everything. Took it to Malibu, saw Maz. And as he was leaving and he was like, I was about to leave. I was like, well, don't fucking leave. Come back. I dragged him back. He was in, in the, in the DLS, the gold one. It's on my Instagram and uh. And I go, you want to drive this? Because he was asking at Ice Race when he was going to get to drive it. I was like, fucking next time I see you. So I go, you want to go drive it?

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:36:09Matt Farah?

  And he just hands me the key to this. And I go, okay. And he goes, you're going to go drive that, right? And I was like, oh, I thought you were just leaving your key with me. I don't know, because it's parked weird or something. And he was like, no, you should go drive that. I was like, okay. And I was like, Christian.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Get in this car.

• 1:36:28Matt Farah?

  Get in.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:29Matt Farah?

  And, oh, baby. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that next week. But Maz also had some very nice... By the way, Maz Fawaz is the former CEO of Singer. He was the CEO of Singer from when the company started until last year. I think he's now like vice chairman or I don't know his exact role right now, but he's still at the company.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  He's still there.

• 1:36:50Matt Farah?

  He's still there, but he's not the CEO anymore. Raj Nair is the CEO now. But he had very nice things to say about the Megs.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  Chief Strategy Officer of Singer.

• 1:36:59Matt Farah?

  There we go. Rad. He came back and he was like, I can't believe that this thing drives so nice. He was like, it's, you know, when you have a weird engine, because he has some weird engines. He's like, the calibrations of like the low speed maneuverability and like the engagement, the tip in. And like, he's like, that stuff's really hard. And like, this is really, really nice.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Nice. Good endorsement, yeah.

• 1:37:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. So we'll talk about the DLS next week. It was unforgettable. We'll see you then. Thanks to our patrons for asking such good questions. Thanks to everybody else for listening. Have a nice evening.