Jason Sudeikis on Future of Ted Lasso, Scoring on LeBron, Behind the Scenes at SNL50 & More | Ep 129

92%ers we are back with another episode of New Heights presented by Audible! Today we are joined by Emmy Winner, SNL Alum, and Ted Lasso himself, Jason Sudeikis! Jason and the guys get into everything from the origins of Ted Lasso and what’s next for the series, his time doing improv in Las Vegas, his favorite SNL sketch of all time, the insanity that is meeting Paul McCartney, and so much more! You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights Support the Show: AUDIBLE: Visit https://audible.com/newheights and sign up for a free 30-Day Trial SUAVE MEN: No Nonsense Self-Care for Men. Find NEW deodorants in stores https://a.co/d/iSEEdwn https://a.co/d/iSEEdwn MENTOS: Yes to Fresh with Mentos Gumhttps://www.amazon.com/mentos See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:30Speaker 02

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• 1:44Speaker 03

  Ted Lasso as a coach is like the perfect temperament.

• 1:48Travis Kelce?

  I just think it's so ironic that now that you are a coach of your daughter's team, you went back to the Coach Campbell style of coaching.

• 1:54Speaker 05

  Just yelling at her. Ted Lasso, get your ass on the line, ladies. Because you're eight years old doesn't mean you gotta act like it.

• 2:05Speaker 05

  For God's sakes.

• 2:12Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, a Wondry show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Ha ha, listen to what I gotta say. We're your hosts, I'm Travis Cousins, my big brother Jason Kelce. If you didn't know, we are the Kelseys and that's what they call us. And you're listening to our podcast. We are recording together here in Los Angeles, California, making our way out west.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:44Travis Kelce?

  How about that?

• 2:45Speaker 03

  It's pretty nice.

• 2:46Travis Kelce?

  Two Clevelanders making the way out west to the, to the show, big time Hollywood.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  Officially out here for a small amount of time.

• 2:53Travis Kelce?

  Yes, and we're gonna enjoy it.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:55Travis Kelce?

  Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on social media, at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, let the people know what a special episode we have coming up.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Well, we're back and we have an incredible episode for you guys. That's right, we are bringing you this episode on Friday because we just couldn't wait to get it to you. That's right.

• 3:16Travis Kelce?

  We've got a treat for you.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  Guest conversation was just too good. Get ready for Mr. Jason Sedakis. Man, I'm fired up about this.

• 3:26Travis Kelce?

  Dude, the best.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  We're gonna get into it right now, gear up.

• 3:30Speaker 05

  How long do we chat for the way?

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, how much time do you have?

• 3:34Speaker 05

  Whatever, I only ask that because it's like, I can give short answers or long answers. I don't know what, you know, what agenda you guys have.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Whatever works best.

• 3:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I think. This is not professional, as you know, Jason.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  But I, I, I, all my podcasts, viewing and listening are from clips. So it's like you guys and Sue and Megan and like, you know, all the smoke, it's like, you know, so I, I, I know that it's 30 seconds at a time, no.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. No, they'll, they'll make, they'll cut it up to make it 30 seconds, no matter how long, when it is, they'll make it a clip, yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 05

  Good, I, I, I respond well to editing.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  Same Z's. Yeah.

• 4:09Travis Kelce?

  That being said, Jason, you wanna jump on the intro?

• 4:12Speaker 03

  All right, we're gonna jump right into it.

• 4:13Travis Kelce?

  We got our own Bruce Buffer right here.

• 4:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, let's prove it.

• 4:15Speaker 03

  All right, our guest, where am I, where's my ISO? All right, our guest today from Overland Park, Kansas. He's a four-time Emmy Award-winning actor, a fifth-grade CYO championship-winning basketball player. You might know him from his nine seasons on SNL or starring in the Emmy Award-winning show Ted Lasso.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  All right now.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Please welcome Mr. Jason Sudeikis.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Holy smokes. It's nice to hear that all stated one after another. It's like, I forget.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, right?

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're just driving out the windshield. You don't, I don't look in the rearview mirror often enough.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  And we're only hitting the highlights. We're getting the good.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they didn't even mention my children. You know.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Speaking of which, how are your children?

• 4:53Speaker 05

  They're good. They're good, yeah.

• 4:55Travis Kelce?

  Otis Daisy. Shout out, guys.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  They're doing great, yeah. They're doing, doing well. Otis has got his birthday, his 11th birthday coming up here on April 20th. And so, yeah, now, you know, he's, he's well into the double digits now, so.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Love it, love it.

• 5:07Speaker 05

  Little man.

• 5:08Travis Kelce?

  I'll get him a keg.

• 5:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. He's like daddy, I like the bubbles.

• 5:13Travis Kelce?

  That's how I would do it out there in Kansas.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  He likes the ceremony of it, yeah, you know, that and the pumping and the, and the keg stand is just the, the taste. He probably wouldn't respond.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Do you remember your first beer?

• 5:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was a lot later in life than most.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was one of those athletes that took, took strongly to the dare program.

• 5:29Travis Kelce?

  Me and you both, for real. Me and you both. It was college.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  I am the odd one out of this situation.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  You're the cool one.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  No, I was not. I was a bad.

• 5:36Travis Kelce?

  I remember Jason stumbling into, into the bedroom at, at five and, or not at five, but on a Friday night.

• 5:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:43Travis Kelce?

  Just hearing boom, boom, boom, and like breaking doors off hinges.

• 5:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. And you're like, I'll wait for that. Yeah, I'll get to that eventually.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  That doesn't seem as cool as it's made out to be.

• 5:53Speaker 05

  But I do remember, mine was, I do remember, it was, uh, second semester freshman year of college, community college. I was on the basketball team. And, and we got, you know, as an athlete, you know, you guys know, you got that, well, maybe not for, for football, but like, for basketball, you would get there early before school started, you know, second semester. So we were doing practice and everything like that.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:12Speaker 05

  And I did three Miller Lights and then half a root beer, bottle of root beer schnapps.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  And I was, I was ripped.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  And, and, and, and my, my, my, my good friends, Chris Sines and Brandon Bartels, they were roommates and they, they, they were the ones that paved that, that let me use their phone. I remember calling information in LA, asking for Jim Carrey's phone number.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  Carrie, Jim, or maybe it's under James.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  You know, like, it's been sure I was the biggest movie in the world at that point. We would watch it every, every other week. And, uh, yeah, so it was, it was bad. And then the next day we had practice and I remember puking what looked like eggs, but I didn't eat eggs.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  It was like, yeah, it was bad news. It was bad news.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 05

  And then I stayed away for like a year or two. And then it wasn't until living in Las Vegas, when I was doing Second City, like in my mid twenties that then, then we would go to this bar called the Crown and Anchor, which is since closed, uh, recently. And, uh, so what we named the bar in Ted Lasso after. And it, uh, it was one of those places. Yeah. We'd play a lot of darts and drink pints and eat Chip Buddies, which is basically like french fries on hamburger buns. Oh, it's a British thing.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Really?

• 7:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, or a Vegas British thing. I don't know. It's one or the other. Yeah. Chip Buddies.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Don't ask too many questions.

• 7:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Where should we start?

• 7:28Speaker 05

  You tell me. It's your show. You like, I mean, golly.

• 7:30Travis Kelce?

  Did you ever pitch Ted Lasso at SNL?

• 7:33Speaker 05

  No.

• 7:34Travis Kelce?

  No?

• 7:35Speaker 05

  No.

• 7:35Travis Kelce?

  So can you, can you kind of give us the backstory? Cause I think I know a little something. I got a good friend in, in KC who married, um, a, a girl that I think her father was maybe a gym teacher?

• 7:47Speaker 05

  Oh, I had a, I had a basketball coach.

• 7:48Travis Kelce?

  Was it the basketball coach?

• 7:49Speaker 05

  Campbell. Yeah.

• 7:50Travis Kelce?

  Donnie Campbell.

• 7:51Speaker 05

  The coach, the, the coach character itself was, was styled after Mike Ditka. You know, we did these commercials. We got, okay, here, again, here. It was

• 7:59Speaker 03

  I've always wondered this.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  In 2013, it was the summer of, um, NBC Sports had the Premier League that they're going to be showing on, on, on, on NBC. So they're like, okay, we want to do an ad campaign. And they had this, this, this, uh, advertising company called Brooklyn Brothers, which was actually two British guys. Uh, and, and they had like five different ideas for, for different promos. And one of them was an American football coach coaching soccer. They were modeling it after a coach character that I had played on SNL, which was much more of a yelling type, you know, like He was a football coach. He had a mustache, but he was a yeller and screamer, you know, like a Bobby Knight type, type, you know, thing like probably, you know, went to West Point. On chair. Exactly, a hundred percent like that. Intimidation. Intimidation versus motivation, right? And. It's my kind of coach.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  And so then I, then I was like, oh, I like, it'd be more fun to play like a little bit, you know, softer version of it. And so that's where the voice sort of came out, which was just a way that I, you know, would talk when you're just sort of doing stuff with your friends and joking around. And playing a certain type, uh, voice type coach. It sounded a little bit like Bill Self, sounded a little bit like Roy Williams, sounded a little bit like, but it was just a voice that I just, you know, it wasn't specifically after them. Okay. The, the coach, my high school coach, a fellow named Donnie Campbell was definitely a guy who, he was definitely the guy that introduced me to John Wooden, who was like the patron saint of sort of the ethos for, um, uh, you know, the Ted Lasso character where he ended up being on the show, but, but, um, but also was really, uh, always had those fun kind of country, country fried phrases, you know?

• 9:26Speaker 05

  And the one that, the one that I always remember that I was bringing up is like, you know, so Doug, you look more nervous than a, you know, a long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. You know, he's somebody like Lions, Kansas, but you know, he was like a badass football player. You know, he played at K State, was a quarterback, got drafted after Warren Moon, you know, in the, by the Oilers. So he never saw a, an ounce of playing time, you know? But, but like a big dude and when he would, he, but he definitely, you know, and I think he'd own up on this and, and, and I deserved at the time, but he was definitely more of a screamer. Like I got, I got the brunt of, of, of Coach Campbell and rightfully so, uh, you know, and, um, yeah, he would holler at me quite a lot because I was a flashy fancy kind of passer. It's the P. Yeah, that was my, that was more my vibe and he was more of a Normandale. You got five crisp passes before we shoot and you know?

• 10:10Speaker 05

  What's all that fancy shit over there? Hundred percent snakes, what are you doing? Like all that. Then when we did the commercial in 2013, you know, he was a little bit more of a knucklehead and then we got, then it did well. Like, like people liked the commercial comedy, people liked it, soccer, people liked football, people liked it. Uh, a favorite quote that Brenna and I heard like a couple of years after that was like a British guy come up to, oh, I love those commercials. You got everything wrong perfectly. Which is like, oh, it's like, such a lovely way to say it. And we were flattered. Yeah. So then we. To do another one in 2014 and so we we came in NBC Sports and like they're like sure but we don't have the budget to fly over to London and it's like okay great. So then it became okay well this is kind of funny because the story is he got hired and fired in three days by the Tottenham Hotspurs.

• 10:54Speaker 05

  In the commercial in the first commercial. So the second one was like instead of him being mad about it, he love he fell in love with Ling London. He fell in love with soccer slash football and now he's just dedicated his life and he. And we bought a Mini Cooper and he's waking up. Buttcrackin dawn to watch Premier League over here in the States and and all that kind of stuff, but it unlocked this sort of like childlike enthusiasm for him. Uh he started coaching a little girl soccer team and whatnot and and so then that was 2014 then 2015 Brendan and Joe and I hung out. Uh you were talking about like what else could we do? Do we do another commercials? Is there more there? Is there like a movie? And we just sat down and just started writing in in one week's time, like in three days, like like six different ideas for episodes.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  We, you know, wrote a pilot script and then it just sat there for like two, three years, you know. My ex and I, Olivia, we had, we had a couple of kids, you know, Joe, uh who's one of the co-creators of the show, uh co-created. A show called Detroiters with Tim Robinson and Sam Richardson and their friend Zach Cannon. And then Brendan was, you know, writing plays and and and acting and all sorts of stuff. And then, uh, Bill Lawrence, uh, who who had created like Cougar Town and Scrubs and and whatnot, had an idea for a show. That he thought maybe I could, you know, would be interested in. That one didn't quite work out, but we hit it off and he's like, well, if you have any other ideas. You know, uh, let me know. And I was like, well, we got this. We had like the stack of papers. I was like, check this out. See, is this anything like?

• 12:15Speaker 05

  But again, towards the what I was saying earlier, no, you're gonna want to check. It was like, is this, is this anything like literally? I don't know, you know, uh, and and I always put that that phrase that I always heard about.

• 12:25Travis Kelce?

  I was typing last night. I want to check out this.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  But did you think that it was something?

• 12:30Speaker 05

  No, I mean, I knew it was fun. No, not. I mean, I knew it was something that we we had fun doing. I knew it was something I was excited about, but it wasn't like.

• 12:38Travis Kelce?

  Assume more times than not, when it's that, it's something, right?

• 12:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, but not to the point, not to the level it became. Yeah, just, you know, no way, Jose. There's no way to know that. But it was at least, I wasn't embarrassed. You know, I was giving it to a guy who who could, you know, it was like a stalled car. It was like, do you have gas for this tank? And he certainly did. And he he read it on the flight back. And he's like, oh, there's definitely something there. He was 100% into it. And so then we, then then it was like this long, the long process of of, you know, making it of like, you know, trying to pitch it to networks and streaming sites, trying to, you know, write a pilot, then then, you know, then then writing it, then shooting it, then editing it. And then you then, you know, released it to the masses. Yeah, what, August 2020? And then it just took off in a way that never in a million years would would any of us thought. I mean, I don't, I have a decent imagination. I couldn't have imagined that at all.

• 13:27Travis Kelce?

  As Ted Lasso fans, man, thank you, because that shit is gold.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  I appreciate it.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Have you have you had professional athletes or just athletes in general come up and talk to you about how much they appreciate watching the show? And like, I really do think like Ted Lasso as a coach is like the perfect temperament as a coach.

• 13:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  I've always felt like, and you just nailed it. And I don't know, I've always been curious like what that, you talk about your gym teacher, your basketball coach, like, how did you get to that tone with him?

• 13:57Speaker 05

  I think it was having, taking the best parts of all the different mentors and and teachers and coaches I'd had in my life. People like Tina, people like Lorne Michaels, people like Coach Campbell, people, people that I didn't have, you know, like, like John Wooden, you know, people. It is that wish fulfillment, you know, the person that you'd want to be at the like, and it was also just fun because it's like a hyped up, a guy that likes to say yes and to other people that deals these things. And my joke, you know, the first season when doing press, people were like, how much is that? How much is that like you? It's like, it's like, I think it's the best version of myself. I don't always have access to that. How many of us do? But it's like me after two beers on a friend's boat.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  Like in a bright sunny day where you're just like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm loose. I'm having fun. It's like the water's cold. I don't care. Like let's get in there. Hey, let's like, let's all hop in there. Come on, let's see what happens. You know, like, and, and you're just like, you wanna, you wanna dance? You wanna DJ? You want, you're just like, you're feeling it, you know, and, and you, um, and yeah, you're just looking for the best in people. But I think it was an amalgamation of, of probably, if I were to sit down and really do the work, like probably like 20 different people in my life. And probably four of them are imaginary, just something you'd want. But I've had, we've had, you know, athletes, coaches, love it. Like, I mean, we've had, heck, we have owners of, of sports teams, you know, appreciate us showing like the human side of, of ownership too.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah.

• 15:22Speaker 05

  Like, uh, yeah. And so it's, it's in all aspects and, and even just people like, I get to go speak at these events or like these companies and it's a lot, you know, people that are in leadership and we all are, whether we have a job that does it or not, we're all in a position of leadership. And so people respond to those.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  So many carryovers to everything. And it's interesting you brought up Yes and from your improv time.

• 15:44Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  As, cause it is very similar with what he does in the show, but I just, you know, I think especially when you've been through sports for so long and you've seen how like ego and things can be divisive. The fact, the way he forgives, the way he motivates, the way people, keeps people calm. I mean, the whole thing is just so well done. I don't even know what I'm asking. To be honest, I've just been a huge fan of the temperament of it from day one.

• 16:08Speaker 05

  I just think it's so ironic that now that you are a coach of your daughter's team, you went back to the Coach Campbell style of coaching of intended.

• 16:34Speaker 05

  So good. That guy, that character's right there too.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  Everybody's got a little Coach Campbell.

• 16:40Speaker 05

  Hundred percent. It's amazing that Coach Campbell, like the neat thing about this show is so many people connected to it have got to go off and blossom into their own thing. The Coach Campbell has like this great like speaking career as like the inspiration of Ted Lasso, which is wonderful.

• 16:58Speaker 05

  He can tell, he can tell the truth about me as an actual athlete. It's that whole thing, the older I get, the better I was. Coach Campbell's there to stop that shit. He's like, nope, he was not that good. Lot of turnovers. One to three assist to turnover ratio, but those three.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Never wanted to pass the ball.

• 17:15Speaker 05

  Unless it was through his legs or behind his back. Jason Williams, flight.

• 17:20Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, Jay Will, baby.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  No, I appreciate it. It's neat having people from, especially from the soccer world because that's any, any of these are gatekeeper communities and the way that the football community embraced us because they didn't know. They thought we were going to be, you know, you know.

• 17:35Speaker 03

  Mocking it or something.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  Hundred percent. Why wouldn't we? Americans coming over there and yet, you know, impossible to do when you have someone like Brendan Hunt, who's like the football soul of that. He loves that sport. He comes about his love for it. Honestly, he was, you know, a Chicago boy who, you know, made fun of the scores and, you know, like 90 minutes of nothing and then was working in Amsterdam and fell in love with the sport and loves it to his, to his core and that permeates throughout the show. And we try to honor that versus being parasitic towards it because it's the only way I think that the character would want to be. It sort of permeates from that ethos, you know, like, which is, which is really, really, really special and really neat.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Awesome. Awesome. Well, is there season four? Is it in the works? Is it? I don't know what I'm allowed to ask.

• 18:23Speaker 05

  That's what we're writing. We're writing season four now. That's the official word. Yeah. Ted's coaching. Yeah. The women's team. So there.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  That's happening.

• 18:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:34Travis Kelce?

  Is he coming back to the States or?

• 18:36Speaker 05

  Did my ass ask too many questions?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  He was back in the States.

• 18:38Speaker 05

  Too many questions.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  We'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  And it's only because I don't, I don't, I don't know.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  Only

• 18:46Speaker 05

  I don't have many answers. We're just writing it now.

• 18:49Travis Kelce?

  There's a paper, there's a paper with ink on it.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  We will ask too many more questions.

• 18:52Speaker 05

  No, but that's, that's what, that's what we've been.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  I'm very excited to hear that. It felt like there needed to be more, to be honest with you.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  That's nice.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  And it's, I know there's that, whenever you're writing something, I'm sure there's always like, when, at what point are we done with this? And at what point do we keep going? Have they asked me for Ted Lasso fans everywhere that we really didn't want you to stop? So please keep doing.

• 19:11Speaker 05

  That was the, that, you know, we, we had those, you know, a couple of years there where, you know, we had the, the writers and, and actors strike and that, and that made the time, the, the time off that we all earned feel a little less special. Cause everybody was off and it's heartbreaking because, you know, that, that takes, that, that makes things tougher for not just the actors and writers, obviously, but everybody else involved in, in, in, in making these things and people behind the scenes and then put up the lights and, and make the costumes and all that. All that stuff came to a grinding halt. And then just through that, um, you know, post that I should say, yeah, this, the universe kept just like saying things, whether, you know, kind folks at, at airports or, or on the internet or

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 19:50Speaker 05

  Friends of my folks or, or, or just, you know, other people in the industry, uh, other people in, in, wherever, in any walk of life. And I was just like, okay, okay. I hear you. I hear you. I hear you. We hear you. We hear you. We're listening. And then, and then, yeah, just more stories kept unfolding and just, you know, popping up in our, in our heads. And so, yeah, that's where we're just exploring all that now. And, and yeah, it's exciting. I mean, it's daunting, you know, because we told the story we wanted to tell. And, uh, but there's, yeah, there's more, there's, there's, there's more there. And, and it is a neat group of people to work with. It's a, it's a, it's a wonderful group of people, um, and characters to write around and for.

• 20:25Travis Kelce?

  There's so many likable characters.

• 20:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:27Travis Kelce?

  And everybody plays their part so fucking perfect.

• 20:30Speaker 05

  I know. It's such a great group.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Roy, I felt like Roy Cane at the end of my career. It's like literally.

• 20:35Travis Kelce?

  Starting to kind of lean into Roy a little bit.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  I align a lot with what this guy's doing right now.

• 20:39Speaker 05

  It's something, I mean, because that is that, that, that character is, is, I mean, inspired by a bunch of things, but it's the way I felt like, um, like leaving SNL. Like I had done sketch comedy for, for so many years. It's the way I felt about, you know, guys that were athletes or when I stopped being an athlete. And again, I had that love. Lovely crossfade from I had a new passion, but when you don't, when you've been this thing, this guy for this long and now you aren't, it's like, what then, what am I? What, and that question is so, is, is one that isn't, you know, and, and you got to play pro, think about all the, I mean, I think about all the young men that I played AAU basketball with that were the best in the country.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  You know, and, and then they're not, and it's like, and, and there's nothing set up on the other side to deal with that drop off. You know, that when I look at these, these young men, yeah. You know, like it's, it's, it's scary. And you think about all the people that may have, you know, used them on the way up and they're not there to help as much as you would hope. And so.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  No question.

• 21:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, you know, someone like, someone like, Brett and I used to say that I, there's a version of Roy Kent that may have, you know, gone the way of the dark side, had he had Ted Lasso not come in his life, you know what I mean?

• 21:45Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I'm getting goosebumps.

• 21:47Travis Kelce?

  It's the truth, man. It is. It's the truth.

• 21:49Speaker 05

  It is. And it's like, it's, it's, and it's real. It's that, that shit's real. So I appreciate you feeling that way about it. That's the way I feel. That's the way I felt about him too. And it's like, and I, and I certainly know it's the way that Brett embodied him and, and connected to him on the writing side and threw him his hat in the ring to audition for you. Just like, yeah, that's it, dude.

• 22:06Speaker 03

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• 22:06Speaker 05

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• 22:13Travis Kelce?

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• 22:24Travis Kelce?

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• 22:37Travis Kelce?

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• 22:52Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 23:16Travis Kelce?

  Like bring the kids, bring mom and dad. Shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 23:33Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  I love a water park.

• 23:36Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 23:54Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 24:02Speaker 03

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• 24:06Travis Kelce?

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• 24:09Speaker 03

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• 24:13Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 24:20Speaker 03

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• 24:24Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 24:26Speaker 03

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• 24:28Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 24:39Speaker 03

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• 24:50Travis Kelce?

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• 24:58Speaker 03

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• 25:05Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 25:08Speaker 03

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• 25:16Travis Kelce?

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• 25:20Travis Kelce?

  I want to hear about Second City in Vegas, man.

• 25:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:24Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, how did you, how did you end up going into Second City? Did you always know after like your hoop dreams and everything? Was it?

• 25:30Speaker 05

  It was really kind of nuts. I went, I went from, there's a thing in Kansas City called Comedy Sports. Have you heard of that at all? It's, yeah, it's, it's still around and it's basically like short form improv, kind of like that TV show Who's Lines It Anyway? So that's something you would go to after homecoming. You know, you go to dance and then, and then again, not, not drinking. We'd go see Comedy Sports because it was a family show and like there was no swearing or anything like that. So I did that in KC for a while, started like took classes like junior year and of high school and then senior. And then I was playing basketball, like I said, down at this Fort Scott Community College. I was driving home every weekend to go watch shows or do shows and, and, and my, so my crossfade between from sports to comedy was Comedy Sports.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  Which is pretty great, yeah, you know, and so it was, it was that. And all this, all the silliness that you do as a kid that gets you in trouble in class, that get you, have you run in suicides in practice. We're now being applauded and lauded, you know? I was like, okay, this is, this is, this is, this is good. This is good. And it was improv, so there's no homework. You didn't have to memorize it. It's the best art form for, for talented lazy people, which I still aim to be. But talented lazy, I got down. And so then it was like, okay, well, where do you go from here? And it was like, well, you moved to Chicago. And so me and a couple of buddies from, from Comedy Sports, we, we moved to Chicago and we did that for three years, like basically from 97 to the second three-peat for the, for the Bulls.

• 26:58Speaker 05

  97, 98, to live in Chicago. It's incredible. It was incredible, you know? And you're around that and you're, you're again, you know, just eating like hell and, and you know, taking $5, finding the ATM that allows you to take $5 out, which was right down the street from Wrigleyville or Wrigley Field. So I could go to Taco Bell around the corner. And, and you just figure those little, those little life hacks out. And then while there, I auditioned for a couple of things. One of which was a theater company, an improv show, theater show in. Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. So then I ended up going over there for a few months. And while there, this is in 2000, Second City's like, hey, we're going to open up a second city in Las Vegas. Would you want to do that? I was like, sure. I was like, great. How long?

• 27:42Speaker 05

  People are doing three month contracts, six month contracts. I was like, I'll do a six month contract. You know, I'll be able to come home. I won't have to work a temp job or something like that.

• 27:49Travis Kelce?

  Man, I can only imagine signing up for a gig for six months in Vegas.

• 27:53Speaker 05

  It was, it wasn't like, didn't do a lot of extracurriculars that can make your time in Vegas much more dangerous. You know, or short, or short-lived. And so, yeah, lived there, did that, ended up staying two years, nine months. And it was, it was graduate school. Like, we did so many shows, all that, like Malcolm Gladwell, Theory of 10,000 Hours. That's where it was. And you had to like earn it from the audience. Audiences, you know, they're, they're used to seeing like headliners, like, you know.

• 28:18Travis Kelce?

  Siegfried and Roy.

• 28:20Speaker 05

  Celine Dion, like, you know, huge, huge stars. And here we are trying to do like sketch and improv with, and, and right outside the window. Like, it would be only these drapes, you know, type of things would, would be keeping the sound of people screaming for either winning or losing, or just the sound of slot machines. And like, and we were doing shows early on, you know, for like seven people. It was horrible. I mean, it was hard. It wasn't horrible. It was just hard because it's still like what we all love doing for a living. And we, yeah, we.

• 28:46Travis Kelce?

  Did you catch yourself ever trying to like market it while you were there?

• 28:48Speaker 05

  We tried, yeah. I mean, they, you know, Second City eventually, you know, started doing that. And we started doing all these really interesting grassroots kind of marketing where we just invited all the cab drivers. And so, and they could come for free so that when they would pick people up at McCarran, they'd be like, you know, a show you should go see that we went to go see. You know, because the strip clubs had it down where it's like, they get a little kickback when they were bringing the strip club. We didn't have, we didn't have that kind of, no, we didn't have that, that access or, or any of the similar show elements. And so, yeah, so, so we, we literally reached out to them like that. And then, yeah, at some point, SNL asked, you know, I got asked if I want to audition for SNL and sent in a tape and then, then moved away for, to New York from, from Vegas.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  You brought up the 10,000 hours of practice, like essentially practicing over and over again.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  How do you practice improv? That's one thing that's never made, like. When you practice music, you're practicing the exact same thing that you're gonna play in the show, improv. You don't know what you're about to do. So how do you prepare and practice to get better at that?

• 29:43Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, there's some things like with with sports, you know, you're working on your ball handling, you're working on your shooting form, and then you're improvising the rest of the thing. Yeah, you're setting up plays, but if you're running like a motion offense, or or some of the plays that Travis likes to play.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Talk to him.

• 29:54Speaker 05

  I think you just prepare, you know, it's about getting comfortable on stage, getting comfortable with the people. I mean, there's rules, but you don't really need to follow the rules. I think the rules are there just to give you like, like, you know, some guidelines. Yeah, exactly. But it's not, obviously not.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  So it's not complete chaos?

• 30:13Speaker 05

  No, no, no, not yet. Exactly. But and then at the end of the day, it's just like getting better at being yourself, getting better at at listening, you know, and and to not get in the way of yourself or try to do too much. It's like a little bit like just a little bit of stage savvy, a little bit like, you know, like court presence, you know, like where you just where you can just you feel at ease regardless of of the chaos that you're about to and and the unknowingness that you're about to, you know,

• 30:39Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 30:40Speaker 05

  dive into.

• 30:41Travis Kelce?

  So the the entire time in Vegas, like doing Second City, though, you were going to the sports books on Sundays betting on the Chiefs. And you were just making sure, like, you didn't dabble on the channel, the slots and the tables.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  So much easier now. The kids now with their ass. They just have to go on the app. We had to go to a sports book and deal with old grizzled men with cigarettes with ashes as long as like, you know, their fingers. No, it was different. It's different, different than we earned it.

• 31:05Travis Kelce?

  It was a dark thing back then.

• 31:06Speaker 05

  I barely gamble. Now we put in, now we, now it's okay. Come on, let Pete Rose be.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  That's right. That's right.

• 31:13Speaker 05

  I, I was like, I barely, I think I gambled $500 in the three years I was there. And and it was only on blackjack. Maybe maybe I maybe I put some money on the the Jayhawks, you know, for some final four or something like that. Maybe at the beginning of the season, just just because someone else did it. And I was like, I'll do that. That sounds fun. But yeah, for the most part, I, yeah, I one time, my roommate, Mike, had a buddy come stay with us and come to find out what I know now, because people know this world, he was on a card counting team. And so, yeah, it was like one of those guys like that those movies are about. And he was practicing basic strategy, and he sort of explained to me all what was going on. And I just found it fascinating. And he had like a computer program that, you know, so you could just run through all stuff you can do on your apps now when you want to train basic strategy.

• 31:57Speaker 05

  I remember we weren't allowed to drop him off at the safe house. We had to drop him off at a corner. It was like a Durango and Twain. I remember it because it always sounded like a badass like eighties cops movie like hang on cash like Durango and Twain and and then he had to walk to this place where when he explained it to us it sounded like Fight Club. There's like a bunch of bunk beds and then a bunch of dudes just practicing all day grinding because they're just trying to get a little like one percent over the house.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 32:23Speaker 05

  To make these giant bets and it was like but I was like you know Vegas had like that kind of shit going on where and we're just trying to like you know do improv.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  It's the most transient place I've ever lived. People would would would come in, you'd see him at the pool. They'd have some idea for a new slot machine handle and then like they had just moved in and then two weeks later they're gone. You never see him again. It was very, it was, it was, it was, it was fascinating and you know, yeah, people, we lived in corporate housing right off of Flamingo and Coval, Coval and Flamingo and Coval, right? Which I found out a year into living there, it's right where Tupac was allegedly shot.

• 33:00Travis Kelce?

  Oh, wow.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 33:02Speaker 05

  But yeah, like, yeah.

• 33:03Travis Kelce?

  It got a little intense.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  It got intense. Oh, yeah, when, yeah, yeah. Well, it's all cleaned up now. It did, but our, we used to have, we all bought Razor scooters. You remember?

• 33:12Travis Kelce?

  Backside of Flamingo, the hotel?

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Hold on, we're talking about Razor scooters.

• 33:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, sorry about that. But there was that street, there was a street, I forget what it was, you know, it wasn't Flamingo, but it was, it was one, was it west of it? Or east of it? And we would ride our, our little, we'd unfold our thing and because these are all like, it was filled with degenerate gamblers and addicts and it was heavy duty. And we'd sneak in the back way of the, to the Flamingo, walk, you know, fold it up, walk in through the, the swimming pool area and then then sneak right in. Yeah.

• 33:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 33:43Travis Kelce?

  The Flamingo, was there, was there ever an end goal in mind?

• 33:46Speaker 05

  No.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, I had no.

• 33:48Travis Kelce?

  You were just enjoying doing what you're doing.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I, no, I mean, the end goal at that point would have been 100% because we were being produced out of Chicago. And Chicago's like the homeland for, for Second City. That's where it started back in 1959, would have been to do one of the resident stages there. So that would have been, I was doing a resident stage, but it was in Las Vegas, but to do either the ETC or the main stage. So to go. Go back and and you know to to do as good of a job as you can where you're doing your thing. And then have them say, hey, we want you to come back and do a show in Chicago would have been would have been. The the end goal.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  It's like wow, I made it back.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  A hundred percent.

• 34:21Travis Kelce?

  And you you used to go to the Second City shows in Chicago.

• 34:24Speaker 05

  All the time, yeah.

• 34:25Travis Kelce?

  So did you ever see the legends like pull up?

• 34:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, when I first moved to Chicago in. September of ninety seven, you know, Tina Fey was still was still on stage, Rachel Dratch was on stage. Horatio Sands was in the E T C. I mean, I saw like, like, I mean, all those guys Tina had was just just. Getting was just gonna get hired to go write on S N L. But yeah, you know, but but but we used to go every Christmas. We would go back to Chicago like Christmas for for, you know, with with my grandma on the south side. And like all my my mom's side of the family, tons of tons of cousins or whatnot. And then like a lot of Junes too for like when kids start graduating from like Catholic school and whatnot. Uh, and I would always ask to go to Second City and we'd go up there. So I saw I definitely saw Colbert.

• 35:10Speaker 05

  And Correll back in the day and Amy Sedaris and you just have faint memories because you that you didn't know who any of them were.

• 35:16Travis Kelce?

  You didn't know who you were watching at the time.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  Not yet, no. I remember seeing like Second City touring company came through. Uh, and they performed at I forget the name of the theater down it's down in Crown Center. But they came and performed and I saw a guy. Uh, that his name was John Farley. And he was and he was doing a scene that his brother Chris had done and John's incredible, you know, the whole family is hilarious. And and I was just like, oh, my God, that's gotta be Chris's. Brother, you know, and because he was playing like a character that his brother created at Second City and he was doing the touring company. So that, yeah, it's it's great. I mean, I still love going back there. It's super fun. It's it's a great show. And like I said, family show. Uh, but that's where I took classes, you know, just just like over a summer, it was like six weeks. And, you know, one of my my first improv teachers, a fellow named Corey Rittmaster, who's Kansas City dude.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Uh, you know, we still we talk, I talk to him more than family because we play Fortnite together. So we're still, yeah, we're still.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Still in touch.

• 36:07Speaker 05

  Absolutely, really in touch like, I mean, you know, like, you know. Taking on ninety eight other people on this island. I mean, I don't, I don't want to get into it too specific, but you know, playing. Playing as Billie Eilish.

• 36:19Travis Kelce?

  So good.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, sorry.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Well, you went from Vegas straight to SNL?

• 36:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  And you were at SNL for nine years?

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Ten.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  Ten?

• 36:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I wrote for the first two years.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:30Speaker 05

  You know, uh, which was awesome, uh, and scary, uh, because, uh, you know, I'd only at that point really kind of realized how to write for myself. Now I'm being asked to write for other people, but I then got to learn the show, learn, learn the staff, learn, learn the, the script format. Like it, it felt like, you know, to speak to, you know, athletes, like it felt like being redshirted, you know, and, and, and yet it also felt, it was scary, but it also felt a little bit like I didn't get the job that I was hoping to get, but, but I got a, a job that, that allowed for so much more, uh, than I ever would have realized. And I got to, I, I, I started out hot. I got like, you know, a couple sketches on right off the bat, you know, uh, writing, uh, for people, writing with other people. And then I just went blank for, for months, but I really, really loved the rewrite table.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  And that's when you're like sitting around talking with the other writers, other cat, excuse me, other cast members, and you're just hyping up their material. So there's this whole theory and, and philosophy in SNL, uh, excuse me, of improv called yes and, where you're, you know, you're supporting the idea and then you're adding to it. And that's just a form of rewriting. So all those 10,000 hours of doing this thing of just, your brain's just sort of clued into it. And then the other thing that's really neat and it's one of the things I always speak about in relation to team sports, you know, which is just a direct correlation for me to the ensemble arts, you know, is, uh, just those time of being with your friends, with your teammates in the locker room, on the bus and joking around and, and having different friends with different sensibilities and different sense of humors and be able to joke around with any of them. Then you're

• 37:57Speaker 05

  doing, then they get paid for it at SNL is like, you're doing, it's, I was literally doing the same thing that I was doing with my friends, you know, back in high school, like after a win or a loss, you know, driving from, you know, Lawrence, Kansas, getting, getting our ass kicked by them and then driving back to Overland Park. And that's, that's 30 minutes of hell. Or I would say that's 10 minutes of hell. And then the last 20 minutes.

• 38:17Travis Kelce?

  Have some fun.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  Exactly. It was just silliness.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  I would say easily the thing I miss most about being, the playing football is being in the locker room and being around the guys and like that camaraderie for sure.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:27Travis Kelce?

  And even to add on to that, growing up. And the how many sports we played, how many different like playing hockey, playing baseball, like the hockey guys are completely different than the football guys that are completely different than the basketball guys or even the lacrosse guys like it's like

• 38:40Speaker 05

  The wrestlers are the that's the how do what you do.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I didn't do.

• 38:46Travis Kelce?

  Once I saw Jason's pimple on his forehead pop on someone else's face. Wrestling in middle school. I was like, yeah, no, I'm good on wrestling.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  Yo, yo, wait.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  I still remember getting pinned.

• 39:00Travis Kelce?

  One time.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Seven. No, this was my seventh grade year. So I was wrestling somebody older. And just hit the guy had his armpit in my face. In the pungency of this guy's armpit will forever be embedded in my like skull. I was just like, man, this is this is fucking gross.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  He had not discovered deodorant yet.

• 39:20Travis Kelce?

  What school was it? Remember the school?

• 39:22Speaker 03

  This was actually a teammate. I didn't want to say. We were sparring.

• 39:28Travis Kelce?

  We'll leave it at that.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Ended up being a great football player.

• 39:33Travis Kelce?

  I would say the only other athletes that. It's a good teammate right there, boys. It's a good teammate.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Like when when I was at Fort Scott, we shared our gym with the rodeo team. Like there was a like the field house was half.

• 39:46Travis Kelce?

  That's the shit you don't get up in Cleveland, Ohio. You don't get a rodeo.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  I mean, it was nuts. And these dudes were the skinniest, like flattest butts dudes you've ever seen in your life. And they would they were so tough. We'd be in there like with the trainer, like how I jammed my finger. And they come in, they just got their rib punctured by like a bull's horn. And they're just like, tape it up so I can get back in there. And we're just like, okay, crazy.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  The injury list of some of these rodeo professionals, the injury list of that is much bigger than NFL.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  No, it was those guys, those men and women were so tough and so.

• 40:18Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, man, if some of them started wearing hockey helmets.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:21Travis Kelce?

  I put on a hockey helmet before.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:23Travis Kelce?

  That shit ain't stopping nothing, dude. Are you kidding me?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  It's gonna hurt still.

• 40:26Travis Kelce?

  You gotta put on everything.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, the Bulls, the Bulls, that's just another target for them. They want.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Back to the, did you enjoy, so, did you enjoy writing more or performing more? Or do you enjoy writing or performing more? Or are they?

• 40:39Speaker 05

  They're both pretty fun.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Two different sides of the same coin.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, they're pretty fun. It's, it's, it's, both are fun. I mean, a hundred percent objectively, writing is, is more difficult. Like, it's just, it's just, it's exhausting. Like, you know, we're in the writing process now and it's just, it, like, I know it's not farming. I know it's not digging ditches. I know it's not teaching math to kids that don't want to be there. I, I, I know that very well. And yet, it is, it is, it's so hard. Because you're just in your head the whole time and you're just actively thinking and actively listening. And it's just a lot. And, um, and yet, when it flows, it's, it's really, really fun. And, and, and there is something just fun about, uh, talking to yourself and then typing it out and, and having, feeling a little bit like you have control over the universe, which I, we have no control over.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  There is, there is, there is a little bit of that wish fulfillment. Um, but I love rewriting. I love, I love seeing something in someone and, and, and trying to like, you know, bring that out of them and encourage them to access it for themselves. Like, that's, that's, that's a, a fun thing to do. But performing, performing, performing is great. I mean, it, it is, it's, it's, it's hard in a different way, uh, um, but it's, it's, um, you know, it's mostly, it, yeah, writing, writing something else. Uh, there, there's nothing more daunting than a blank page. It's, it's so scary.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  I don't even know where you start.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, me neither. Me neither, and I've done it for, for years. I don't think I'm good at it.

• 42:05Travis Kelce?

  You guys are already, it's two steps ahead of me. I can't even read it or write.

• 42:10Travis Kelce?

  I was like, oh man, I see a blank page, I'm like, that thing's probably gonna stay blank.

• 42:15Speaker 05

  It's like, I can read that.

• 42:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no, I got that. I can imagine everything, actually. Endless possibilities right there.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  I was, I got, I started getting more stuff on the show when I was able to write it and act in it. That, that, that was, that was one of, one of those things.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  You feel more comfortable writing for yourself?

• 42:32Speaker 05

  At, at that point, at that point, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, yeah. Cause then you just know how, what span you want to put on that.

• 42:37Travis Kelce?

  Probably, yeah, that has to be kind of a lot of people's sweet spot, right?

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:40Travis Kelce?

  That can do both, at least.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. And I had such a badass generation, my SNL generation. I like, I'm so like, what a blessing to come in with that group of men and women, both be both behind the scenes in front of the camera. Like, it was something else. And so, like, our cast could write their buns off. Like, I mean, it was neat, like, and so, everybody, it was scary though, too, because you're kind of like, shit, you're all just jockeying for thirty minutes of airtime, you know, between, you know, when a host comes in, you gotta, you know, you gotta share with the song, you gotta share with update, you gotta share with commercials, obviously, that's why it's there. And then you're just, it's the funniest people.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  That it's really just about thirty minutes.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  If that, it may be twenty seven, it may, but I mean, it's nuts when you really, really think about it. And then on Tuesday night, when they're all writing and they're laughing, you know, when I'm, I, my, me and, I was office mates with Bill Hader the first five years, and then Mike O'Brien the second five years. And our, my office was right next to a fellow named James Anderson, who's one of the best writers at SNL, in SNL history. And he wrote a lot with Kristen Wiig. And when I'd hear those two laughing, and then sometimes Paula Pell would be in that office, too, because James and Paula were dear old friends. And you were just like, yeah, you were just like, oh, no, what are they cooking up now? What's every little girl gonna be dressing up for next Halloween? It's like, what iconic, you know, silhouette is she gonna create? And what voice you gonna put it to?

• 44:02Speaker 05

  And, yeah, it's just, it's something else.

• 44:05Travis Kelce?

  Did you have like that goat in the acting world that you like looked up to, that you aspire to be? Or even somebody at SNL where you were like, oh, shit, I'm finally in the same room as?

• 44:15Speaker 05

  Oh, for sure. I mean, there were people like that. I mean, like Tina was such a, Tina was someone that I loved watching, like her, and she did, she did a lot of scenes with a fellow named Scott Adsett, who's one of my all time favorite performers. They were like, like Second City legends. And, and he ended up playing Pete Hornberger on Thirty Rock, too. And he's still, like, when I watch him perform, he just knocks me out. I just think he's such a great actor. He's funny as well, but he's just really good actor. And he was really great at pantomime, which, you know, you do a lot at Second City, because, so you don't have all the props and all that stuff.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  I'm gonna need you to tell me what pantomime is real quick.

• 44:48Speaker 05

  Just miming, just miming, yeah, so, yeah, like, just, you know, brushing your teeth and all that. But he could, he could, there's a scene that he does where he's running. Up a um a stairwell like like a stairwell like this and it's just it it looks like there's a stairwell there and it just looks like a magic trick you're like there's nothing incredible or being or chasing a car you know and he just would just it was just yeah he's just incredible and it would make it all look so believable but it was also very funny because he's making something out of nothing at the same time but him and Tina would just do these really really clever really smart scenes and so that was like you know so to be to have Tina Fey be like a

• 45:27Speaker 05

  hero then she becomes an icon then she becomes like a mentor then she becomes you know a friend and that you like that like that's one of those weird journeys that that still knocks me out but but anytime anybody came back like when when Will Ferrell came back to host or to work with Tom Hanks like those are the people that that I loved and you know it was like but growing up yeah it was all it was you know I was so lucky we just we just rewatched at work we just rewatched Hoosiers you know because of Gene Hackman passing and like that was someone that

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Greatest sports movie ever it's amazing so good

• 46:00Speaker 05

  Still holds up still good

• 46:01Travis Kelce?

  Old statement but I loved it

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Yeah yeah what's that

• 46:04Travis Kelce?

  It was a bold statement you say greatest

• 46:05Speaker 03

  It's not that bold a statement what are you gonna put above Hoosiers

• 46:08Travis Kelce?

  We were talking about Miracle last week and that was

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Okay Miracle's great But that happened like who well I guess who no but I mean it's fair enough

• 46:14Travis Kelce?

  I'm not going down that Like I said I'm not gonna fight it

• 46:17Speaker 05

  Exactly this is bold statement I'm trying to think of this better one

• 46:21Speaker 03

  There's like other comedy movies that I

• 46:22Speaker 05

  Yeah Bull Durham is great Major League

• 46:24Speaker 03

  I love Waterboy

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Major League

• 46:27Speaker 03

  Yep Major League yeah

• 46:28Travis Kelce?

  Angels in the Outfield

• 46:30Speaker 05

  Yeah

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Sandlot Sandlot

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Sandlot is so good

• 46:36Speaker 05

  So good still holds up but yeah getting to work with like when you when you meet you know those those guys like you know like to me Tom Hanks that's like that's like you know Statue of Liberty

• 46:46Travis Kelce?

  I had the pleasure of just he was I always forget the Halloween character he does on SNL

• 46:54Speaker 05

  Oh David Pumpkins

• 46:55Travis Kelce?

  David Pumpkins I don't know why I always I never like associate him with the name David I don't know why I never do that he was getting ready to do that skit like three Halloweens ago when Jack Harlow was hosting it and I snuck up behind him I was like is that the man with one red shoe and he was just like what who the

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Of all my movies, that's what you're referencing.

• 47:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that was like the first one I ever remembered. It's like the opening, they had an opening scene.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  We just on the bike.

• 47:21Travis Kelce?

  And then I'm, it's blowing my mind as a kid.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 47:26Travis Kelce?

  I remember exactly that. I'm like, this is like the most skilled human being I've ever seen in my life.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Love that dude. He always had little tricks like that in his movies. He was always doing little fun things like that. Michael Keaton is another one that I've got to meet over the years. And cause, cause for years I was, I was kinda like, I was like, I love, I love Bill Murray and I love Tom Hanks. Like, but they're so different. And it's like, and then like, Michael Keaton is like my favorite parts of, of, of both those guys. I mean, all three men are like iconic in their own ways, but like, it's just been, yeah, that's one of those places where you just can't believe you're me. And then, you know, then you get to, then, then Paul McCartney is there too, every now and then.

• 47:58Travis Kelce?

  There you go. Yeah. Well, speaking of Paul, you were talking about Will.

• 48:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:01Travis Kelce?

  Uh, SNL 50, man.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:03Travis Kelce?

  How awesome was that? That happened, what, like two weeks ago?

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Was it two weeks ago? Yeah. It took me literally a week to recover.

• 48:08Travis Kelce?

  It looked like an entire award show. Like the, the amount of people that showed up, like, I don't know if, I know they kinda do it every like 10 years, but 40 didn't look like that.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  No, I mean, it was, it was something else. And it was cool. For me, the difference between, uh, 40 and 50 was, uh, we had just left, like our generation had just left after the 40th. Like, like Andy and Kristen had left in, in maybe 2012. And then I, then me, Fred and Bill left in 2013, Seth left in 2014. So our generation had just really left. So it kinda felt like we were the freshmen coming back to homecoming. Like the college freshman coming back to, you know, senior year, uh, homecoming. Uh, and now we're 10 years in, you know, I got a couple of kids, you know, like, you know, it's neat having something that, that you've made. That's, you know, people responded to like Ted Lasso. So now you're just kinda baked in. And I think, I think the generation after us too, with like Vanessa Bear and, and Taryn Killam and Kate McKinnon.

• 48:59Speaker 05

  Like that generation probably felt a little more baked in too. And they, cause they were definitely, they were on the show at, at the time of the 40th. And so, yeah, it was just, it was great. It was like, it was just neat and love. I mean, it's.

• 49:09Travis Kelce?

  I enjoyed every second of watching that thing.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, same.

• 49:12Travis Kelce?

  You got to be in the, the skit, uh, the jail skit.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Oh, scared straight. Yeah.

• 49:16Travis Kelce?

  Straight.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  I, the one, I took a photo of the, you know, good nights when you're saying goodbye there at the end of Will Ferrell and, and Eddie Murphy, like. Saying hi to each other and those are my two favorites from the show. You know, and and they're just saying hi to each other. This is at the 40th and then 10 years later to be in a sketch with them is like is nuts. No, it's it's great. And and my kids came to watch rehearsal on Saturday. They just came to watch the big New York musical that we did. Where Forte and I are doing and and Wig are doing the the songs from Les Mis and they're sitting there and then we're getting ready to leave, hop on the train, go back home. And Jenna, stage manager Jenna, if you remember, she's like, she's like, Paul McCartney, Paul, we're ready for sound check. I was like, oh, Paul McCartney.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  We're gonna stick here for a little bit.

• 50:03Travis Kelce?

  He needs to watch this. Sorry, guys.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  I mean, when they say, don't meet your heroes, they are not talking about Paul McCartney. That guy is a great person to meet. He's just that. He loves being Paul McCartney.

• 50:12Travis Kelce?

  He is the coolest dude in any generation in any room. He is just the coolest guy.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  He accepts the the responsibility. Like, he's like, I've been given this gift. I'm I I have been put into this Paul. McCartney is that soul in a Paul McCartney vessel. And he's like, what do you need? I mean, just having him and my sister were talking about Let It Be. Like the song and he and he's responding to her as if he's never told the story before, that no one's ever asked him before, and he's so present. Like, it's amazing. And then and then everybody throughout the throughout the day are just every now and then when you see Paul up on stage, like at every point, someone is looking on their phone, looking, how old is he? It's like, this guy's got this guy's he's got more in the more in the tank than I did. And I was I was exhausted. He's like 82, almost 83. And it's just, yeah. So you go.

• 50:59Travis Kelce?

  That's so cool.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Do you have a favorite sketch from your time at SNL?

• 51:03Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I had another one of those questions.

• 51:05Speaker 05

  I I would say during my time, my and I've answered this before because but it's the truth is was my favorite to to do was What Up With That? Because it was a big cast sketch. It also was one that people started getting really excited about. And we would normally do it after Weekend Update. That became its slot. And so they they, you know, I mean, you know, you do you win where I win any hosting? Yeah. So you like, like, how incredible, like. What happens in the commercial breaks, like what that crew, what those men and women do It is absolutely crazy. In that amount of time, with that amount of intensity and taking things down and putting them up. So when they whip that giant ass Weekend Update desk and they bring it right down the center pipe there and they're taking down the thing, then they start putting together the what up with that set.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. The crowd would just start getting like, oh shit. Here we go, here we go. And all of us are in it. We all know our function, we all know our role. Everybody gets like a little highlight, little spot here and there. We'd always, we eventually started getting like insane like, like cameos, you know, whether it be Robin Williams or Robert De Niro or just someone or Samuel L. Jackson, like someone who's not gonna say anything is only there to be in this yet, you know, and then wave goodnight and then come to the after party. Like it was, that was just so fun. That was like, that was one of the, out of the recurring ones. I loved, Weg and I, in our first few years together, did these characters called the Two A-holes, which is really fun, where it's like, you know, a guy, you know, chewing gum and his girlfriend kinda like, you know, like playing with her hair and chewing gum and

• 52:34Speaker 05

  they were just, those were, those were a blast to do and write and people, it was definitely a type, an archetype that people saw in the real world. Sure. It still exists, they're still out there, they're doing well. Yeah. Then like a few of my personal favorites that like I was involved in, like Forte and I had a lot of fun things. We did a sketch called Potato Chip. That very first time we did it was with Taylor when she hosted. Nice. But it didn't, it didn't, it didn't make it to A young Taylor too. A young Taylor, yeah, yeah. And, but it didn't make it to air. We ended up doing it with Blake Lively, she ended up getting it, getting it over the hump for us. And they played it so differently, which is one of those neat things. And it was like, it's the silliest sketch in the world, it's worth looking up. Okay. Potato Chip. And then Forte and I would do these ESPN announcers, like for women's sports, where

• 53:17Speaker 05

  it was basically us, like trying to sell, it was us, you know, doing like lawn darts or billiards, but then we would also be trying to sell a, everything was sponsored by like Massengill, you know, like, I would do these like crazy rhymes, like when, you know, when you're, when you're, what is it like, when your uterine lining looks like the elevator from The Shining. Maxi pads.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  And it's just like, it was so ridiculous.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  And it's like, but people love it. People love it. And I remember we got to do, they put together a couple of years while we were still at the show, where it was like all the different sports sketches, you know, from like when Joe Montana or, or, or, you know, Peyton had hosted at that point, or Michael Jordan, or whatever. And we got to do the bumpers. And so we would, we filmed all these live in front of an, like just 30 minutes before an actual live show. And we got to do these things and we did them as these characters. And we had so many of those like crazy rhyming things that I can't remember any of them now, but they're all just, you know, more like standards and practices. The censors were more and more nervous with each one. And that, we walked that tightrope on that show. That's, that's such a fun thing to do. Even though it drove Betsy Torres, our standard.

• 54:37Travis Kelce?

  Was there ever a sketch that you, you just knew was gonna crush it and it just never caught the, the air? Like ever got the green light?

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Good. Hmm. One of the nice things that you learn there is that, that nobody knows shit. Like, like, like, you don't know. You never know. You can have so much. I mean, you sort of do like, I mean, I remember when we were all in the, in the studio and Lazy Sunday was playing, uh, and that Jack Black host. And that was, that was like a great, a great episode for, for the show and for the, and for our generation and just, uh, for Earth at large. But I remember when that was playing, whereas the first, seeing it addressed, being like, oh, this is gonna crush. But you, but that's like a pre-taped piece and, and, and iconic in a, in a way that is, that very few things are. But I would say, no, because it's almost like you don't want to spook the muses either. You don't, you don't, that was always a fun thing that they would like those, these little bit of superstitions that you were,

• 55:31Speaker 05

  don't call home and say your sketch is making it. Don't text your friends because it'll end up getting cut. Don't say that you're gonna show up in that sketch because your part will get cut. And, and that happened more often than not. So at some point, you're never like typing, being like, oh, this is gonna, I could, I, I, I, even if, even if I ever did, I don't know if I'd ever even say it out loud or, or would it get from my brain, yeah, to my mouth? Like something would stop inside. My soul would go, don't you say that shit. Don't you dare. Yeah. But nothing that comes up. I can think of maybe, yeah, no, nothing.

• 56:04Speaker 06

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• 56:50Travis Kelce?

  I let the Ted Lasso like characters live on through every day in practice as I scream football is life, man.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  Yes, you did.

• 56:57Travis Kelce?

  I still say it, dude. I love it. And I already announced that I'm coming back, but Chiefs fans, you have always been right there every single time towards the end of the seasons, in the locker rooms, on the field, having fun with us, man. When did your Chiefs fandom really build up?

• 57:14Speaker 05

  I mean, my line for years, because I, you know, growing up in Kansas City, it was Royals-Chiefs, you know, some dalliances with, you know, the Kansas City Comets and the indoor soccer days, growing up. But like, my line for years, awesome jerseys, indeed. My, for years, when people, especially at SNL, when like the crew guys would, you know, like Giants fans and Jets fans were like, you like the Chiefs? And when we weren't, you know, we weren't doing as well. It was like, you love the Chiefs? I was like, no, but I love a lot of people that do. And that was the sincere truth. It was like, my family, I'd gone to, prior to the last three, four years, but like probably, I think, one actual Chiefs game at Arrowhead. You know, for us, we were a basketball team, you know, a basketball family. So I would go to, you know, more, I'd spend more time on going to KU or the Big 8 tournament, Big 12 tournament, all that stuff.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  But then with, you know, having kids, you know, obviously the success of the team, you know, getting to know you and Patrick, you know, through Big Slick and the charity stuff we do back home. Like, then it becomes like this personal thing. And then what's even more fun is when getting to Play this fake coach and then you have real coaches and real organizations that give you this beautiful treatment. We get to bring my good friends to those people that do love the Chiefs, like my friend Terry and his kids who you've met. You know, my friend Billy and his children that you guys, you know, have been so kind to and like and the Hunts let me, let me roll deep. Like where it's like, can I bring him plus 12? They're like, yeah. I was like, oh my gosh.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  Exactly. Yeah. And it's just been, it's just been a joy to watch. And it's just, it's just, you know, so now, yeah, now Otis and Daisy, you know, we're, we're, you know, watching, you know, every week and watching, you know, you know, we watched.

• 58:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, sorry about that.

• 58:53Speaker 05

  That's all right. It's a better story.

• 58:55Travis Kelce?

  I laugh about it now, but it hurts inside still.

• 58:58Speaker 05

  Of course. It's like, cause it matters to you.

• 59:00Travis Kelce?

  I blame Jason. He had the voodoo doll next to him the entire time.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  I did. I did. That did not work out well. I had a voodoo doll on Bourbon Street.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  Oh, no kidding.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  Trying to like get Travis's hands warm in the middle of the game with the voodoo doll. It was, it backfired.

• 59:14Travis Kelce?

  Ice cold. My hands were ice cold.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  It might've been a doo-vo.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 05

  It was more doo-vo than voodoo.

• 59:21Travis Kelce?

  We'll be back better than ever. We got this. We got.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  That's, that's, that's, that's the story.

• 59:25Travis Kelce?

  I got you, brother.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  You drop down one and then you come back and then you come back for one shining moment, you know, that's, that's, that's the story I'd write, you know?

• 59:33Speaker 03

  You can't just be winning all the time, Travis. That's not interesting at all.

• 59:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Nobody wants to watch five Super Bowls that you guys win.

• 59:39Travis Kelce?

  It fooled me because I definitely thought it'd be kind of fun. It'd be pretty amazing.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  I know there's no way to, like, I only deal with this in the fake make believe world and I'm sitting between guys who have actually done it. And then one who just went through the hardest part of it and it feels very surreal right now. I don't know how to joke about it with you.

• 59:58Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. I mean, it was so long ago. Like, I don't even, I am really good. I'm really good at just, you know, cutting off my memory.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  But are there, are there, are there dudes that are holding on to it? There's still like, are people still in the cave?

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  You hold on to it forever.

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  I still remember the one I lost and like, I like one play, I could have made a difficult.

• 1:00:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Well, you only fucking lost one, Jason.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Well, I lost to you too. So shut the, I don't need your sob story right now.

• 1:00:28Speaker 05

  See, this is what, this is what I'm talking about. Now we're reaching new heights.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  But you you carry for some reason the law the losses, especially that that loss in that game. You always carry on with it. You move on, you know what I mean? But and yeah, just like anything.

• 1:00:43Travis Kelce?

  I joke about everything.

• 1:00:44Speaker 05

  Season three to the bear. So it's kind of we're kind of the same.

• 1:00:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's some bullshit, too.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Well, that's not the come on, let's not do that.

• 1:00:50Travis Kelce?

  I know you want to play nice, but that is bullshit.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  That's that come on, you can't argue art.

• 1:00:54Travis Kelce?

  Would you guys pay him?

• 1:00:55Speaker 05

  No, come on.

• 1:00:56Travis Kelce?

  How much money?

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  You think, oh, you think they paid? No, I didn't heard that.

• 1:01:00Travis Kelce?

  I'm kidding. God, can we cut that?

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  You brought up Big Slick. I've never been to Big Slick, but I've heard a lot. I've seen a lot of that stuff. I do want to go there. I would love to be a part of it.

• 1:01:09Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it is a blast.

• 1:01:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. What is Thunder Gong?

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Thunder Gong, yeah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  What the heck is that?

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  Okay, so well, Big Slick is to help Children's Mercy Hospital. We do that. That's a whole, that's a whole weekend. It's a blast.

• 1:01:19Travis Kelce?

  Unbelievable.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  It's a blast.

• 1:01:20Travis Kelce?

  Last year was three mil raised?

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:01:22Travis Kelce?

  It keeps going up by the mil at this point. It just blows my mind.

• 1:01:25Speaker 05

  It's like being one of those high school teams. It's, you know, they're 114 and O. It's like I get so nervous.

• 1:01:30Travis Kelce?

  And it's like the the money is cool and all, but what you guys do actually going to the hospital the day before and actually like being around the patients and everything. It's it's amazing.

• 1:01:40Speaker 05

  It's lovely. It really is.

• 1:01:41Travis Kelce?

  Such good support through through the entire entertainment.

• 1:01:43Speaker 05

  Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And just the city turns out for it, too. It's one of those neat things that we, you know, we started ages ago. Rob Riggle had this idea saying, hey, what if we do this? And then he hooked me and Paul in, Paul Rudd, and then we added, you know, Kechner. A year later, then we added Eric Stonestreet, now Heidi Gardner, all from Kansas City, all from the surrounding area. Like, it's really, really neat. And it's and and so, yeah, we have that. That that's every like it's beginning, usually in June. I think this year it may be around May 31st, but around the beginning of of of June. And then Thunder Gong is a thing that me and my buddy Billy Brimblecombe started. He runs this nonprofit called Steps of Faith, and we help buy like amputees new arms and legs.

• 1:02:24Speaker 05

  My line is we help people buy arms and legs so they don't cost an arm and a leg, right? But yeah, I mean, he like a lot of people.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  It's funny, but it's also awesome.

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  It's a good line. It's clean. You put it on a business card. People are like, I love it.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  That mean business.

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  And we do that in November. And yeah, we help raise, we get people that have lost their arm or leg that are uninsured. We get them back literally on their feet, you know, and, and working again and then provide, you know, help with the, with the mental side of that too. And we work with these amazing prosthetists and, and, and yeah, and, and, and physical therapists. And we can get, you can get a, we can get legs, people for like 500 bucks. So every time, you know, someone gives 500 bucks, that gets someone back.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  Literally can walk out.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, walk again. Yeah. And, and you know, Billy, you know, we comes about it honestly because he lost his, he's a drummer. He lost his, his left leg, got it amputated right above the knee back in 2005, I want to say, when he was a tour, a touring musician. Had no, had no insurance. And so then we put together a comedy like rock show, like fundraiser, raised some like, raised like 50 grand back in Kansas City. This is after my first year, second year at SNL. We did some improv games, you know, his bands, a couple of bands he was in played. And we raised all this money auctioning some like cue cards that Tina Fey had signed and, and, and various things. And that got him a leg for, for that much money. And, and he, he felt so like moved by it. He was like, a couple of years later, he's like, how do I do that for other people? And then, and then this fellow was like, I have this foundation.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  Let Billy take it over. And then a couple of years later, he's like, hey, why don't we do this? It's, it's a charity concert. It's basically, you know, we do some comedy too. But yeah, we, we've had amazing guests. You know, come through, you know, Ben Harper, you know, you know, Winona Judd, you know, Chance the Rapper, Brandy Carlisle, you know, sent in videos for us. You know, Foo Fighters did a video for us a few, a couple of years ago for the, for the one during COVID. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing. And that's, that's one night. The big slick is like a whole weekend. So it's like these two things. But yeah, and Kansas City shows up for all of them. It's, it's.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  When's Thundergong?

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  That's like, it's the first Saturday of every November. Yeah. Yeah. In the fall. Yeah. Try to keep, yeah. So we're not double dipping.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  Sure. Yeah. You don't want to.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  You got your, you got your band geek over here. What do you play?

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Saxophone. Well, I did. I haven't played saxophone in a long time. Now I'm necessarily on guitar, but.

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  You gotta come and, well, come to Thundergong and do Baker Street.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Oh dude, I would.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  You would kill it. Like whatever, whatever. Yeah. Or like some Doobie Brothers.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  I would.

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  Doobie Brothers.

• 1:04:52Travis Kelce?

  Little Mike McDonald.

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  That's the, no Billy and his wife Ally have this band called Summer Breeze. Have you ever seen them in KC?

• 1:04:59Travis Kelce?

  I don't think I have.

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  I should, I should, I'll make you aware of them, but they, they, they play all the time and they're the house band. So they do all, all these yacht rock hits in Kansas City.

• 1:05:09Travis Kelce?

  Heck, yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  But they can play everything. Like I remember first time Fred Armisen, who's a legit, like great musician and, and all his life. Um, you know, he just had the SNL 50th play with Devo and the B-52s. And I'm just like, which was so neat. I'm sitting there like, I feel like a proud Papa. I asked him, I go, I go, I can't believe you got to play with Devo, knowing that he loves Devo. He goes, the first show I ever saw at Radio City Music Hall as a teenager was Devo. And I'm like, and now you're up on stage. Well, he goes, it's just, we just geek out like that kind of stuff all the time. Um, but, uh.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  We geek out over the, uh, B-52s.

• 1:05:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, the B-52s as well.

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  My mom had two CDs in her car.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Yanni. And a B-52 CD.

• 1:05:47Speaker 05

  I forgot all about Yanni, dude.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  So goddamn much.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  To this day, if Love Shack comes on, we're gonna be jamming to it.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  Oh, it's so funny. And Yanni, Yanni, you can't.

• 1:06:00Travis Kelce?

  Yanni, she just had Yanni to put us asleep. She was just like, alright, you guys are talking way too much.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  I don't remember many of the songs. I just remember the photo on the album, the hair.

• 1:06:09Travis Kelce?

  Pianos and violins, that's all I remember.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  It's a vibe. It's a, Yanni's a vibe. Yeah, for sure.

• 1:06:14Travis Kelce?

  I love this, man. Dude, I want it to end, but we got one more, we got one more, uh, little, uh, part in here. Even though we haven't been going off.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, if we're gonna do the.

• 1:06:23Speaker 05

  Your battery's out.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  It's not the battery. I locked it and I don't know how to unlock it. So.

• 1:06:28Speaker 05

  Even more complicated.

• 1:06:29Travis Kelce?

  We are amateurs.

• 1:06:31Speaker 05

  There we go.

• 1:06:32Travis Kelce?

  Hanging like this.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  Don't cut that.

• 1:06:33Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:06:34Travis Kelce?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  We gotta ask.

• 1:06:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  You don't have to answer.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  Great.

• 1:06:38Speaker 03

  You can tell us to fuck off, whatever you want.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  Amazing.

• 1:06:40Travis Kelce?

  It's always, it's sometimes just the better answer.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Section here.

• 1:06:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we already talked about you playing basketball. Um, talked about SNL and hosts and stuff. Uh, who's, who's better in their respective fields? Are you better as a basketball player or is LeBron better as an SNL host?

• 1:06:57Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:06:57Travis Kelce?

  You play, you both played, you played in the All-Star game with him. He played on SNL with you.

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. Look, as an SNL host, he's a hell of a basketball player.

• 1:07:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, bro.

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  No, I love that dude. I mean.

• 1:07:13Travis Kelce?

  Dude, you're the best.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  We need to put this to the test. We need you and LeBron one on one on the basketball court. And then we need you one on one on the SNL stage.

• 1:07:20Travis Kelce?

  Improv stage.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  Improv stage. There was a sketch where like that we did a characters that Bill and I did a couple of times where I play like a stagehand who is just kind of a dick to people. We did to Julie Louis-Dreyfus. We did it with Paul Rudd and we did it with LeBron. And I challenged him to one on one in the sketch and in rehearsal, in rehearsal, I did, I did go by him and then went up and he didn't know I was gonna go do a reverse layup. And I did score on him on an eight foot goal.

• 1:07:46Speaker 03

  And he was actually trying to like.

• 1:07:47Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. He was a hundred foot.

• 1:07:49Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was definitely trying.

• 1:07:51Travis Kelce?

  LeBron James, man. He tried.

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  Turn that off.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  But and it was funny because Don Roy King, who was, who was our, our director at the time, who I just saw at the 50th, came up and literally brought it up. He goes, he goes, if you ever need someone to, to like, you know.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Vouch for this.

• 1:08:08Speaker 05

  Vouch for this. I did. I know it happened. I was like, thank you. So here it is. I'm, I'm, it, it, it kind of sucks to be the one telling the, the, this, you know, keeping this, uh, this apocryphal story alive. You know, I'd prefer it to be someone else, but so be it.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Us two knuckleheads.

• 1:08:23Speaker 05

  No, exactly.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Keep spreading this.

• 1:08:25Travis Kelce?

  We'll spread it. We'll spread it.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  No, but he was great.

• 1:08:27Travis Kelce?

  Catch them legs.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  He was, I mean, he went for it. I can't believe he hadn't come back to do it again.

• 1:08:31Travis Kelce?

  Dude, he was so good, man. He was so good. I had so much fun.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  The solid gold dancer? Come on.

• 1:08:35Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  It was great.

• 1:08:37Travis Kelce?

  The per.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  And Maverick, Maverick badass. I remember Maverick sitting at the host dinner on Tuesday night. You know, when you go out with Lauren and everything. Maverick sat next to Lauren and just was just grilling him the whole time.

• 1:08:45Travis Kelce?

  The whole time?

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  And I was like, I remember sitting across from him.

• 1:08:48Travis Kelce?

  I was a child.

• 1:08:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Travis Kelce?

  In like a baby seat.

• 1:08:50Speaker 05

  But he was asking about business.

• 1:08:52Travis Kelce?

  To any, oh, okay.

• 1:08:53Speaker 05

  It was like, it was like, you know, Michael Corleone talking to Don Corleone. It was like fantastic. I was like, I was like LeBron is, I didn't, you know, I didn't know who he was at that point. I was like, LeBron's so lucky to have this dude. This guy's got his buddy's back like big time and asking Lauren these questions and Lauren was so fascinated by it. It was, it was great. It was just like watching, you know, an icon and icon to be just kind of like, you know, just, just, yeah, it was, he was just a curious, smart dude. Yeah, those guys. Good on them.

• 1:09:17Travis Kelce?

  You know, just a bunch of Cleveland guys.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's all.

• 1:09:20Travis Kelce?

  Just making the way in the world today.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  How much would you have, would your life have changed if you would have been a sect into the Blue Man Group?

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  I had a hunch that's what I I don't know.

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  Did you do everything?

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I was obsessed with that show and and and I like I loved it. It was the opportunity I felt as oh, this will be the only chance I'll ever get to to play music in front of people.

• 1:09:47Speaker 05

  And and I wasn't a good enough drummer. I love the show. I think it's so funny. I think it's so brilliant. And I think it's so like a subversive. I mean, it's all these things, you know, they they just closed the show recently in New York, which is where I ended up. You know, I auditioned in Vegas and then got flown out there right. This was August of 2001, so this is right before nine 11 and and it was. And I had dudes, buddies of mine that were in Blue Man Group in Vegas because they took a lot of our improv classes. They so I guess we got to know them. Our shows hung out a lot like both, you know, off stage and like, you know, at each other's houses, you know, I got and and it it was. It was an amazing, amazing time because we were this this different kind of show we that was sort of finding its way in in in Vegas.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Like the ones that interacted with the audience and not just showgirls or again icons or or magic. It was like this this weird kind of thing. I remember so many, a handful of them when I was really it would sort of take me aside and be like, do you really want to do this? Like, like, you're really good at talking like it's kind of your thing. And I was like, yeah, no, I don't care. I want to do this. I think it's so neat. And yeah, but it would be, I mean, gosh, I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't have my kids. I wouldn't. You know, there's a whole bunch of stuff that'd be different. I'd have I'd be every time I blow my nose, blue stuff would come out. My eye boogers would be blue, you know, like, yeah, who who knows? I'd be a much better drummer than I am, you know? My rudiments would be solid, but.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  Well, did you have to paint yourself for the audition?

• 1:11:11Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Not for the for when you when they flew us out to.

• 1:11:14Travis Kelce?

  There's gotta be a pick.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  I wish we.

• 1:11:16Travis Kelce?

  There's gotta.

• 1:11:17Speaker 05

  There's no way. There isn't.

• 1:11:19Travis Kelce?

  You dressed up like that and didn't get a pick?

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:11:23Speaker 05

  When you wear all the same color, like.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  It's just pre iPhone.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  It's pre iPhone. Yeah, we had a we had a disposal camera because we when you they they put you up in this like dorm. It was on like 13th Street and it was all these like like minded like, you know. All of us were like six foot one white guys. And, and, and majority of like, if there was 10 of us, I would say nine of them were, you know, musicians first, or eight of them were musicians first. And, and I was more of an actor with like, like, and I'd been literally practicing on like a drum pad during intermissions at my Second City show or in between shows, driving my castmates crazy, I'm sure. And, uh, and yet everybody had this like fun spirit and we're all in New York flying in from other places. And we, I remember we bought a disposable camera because we got bald and blue, as they say, you know, they do a bald cap and the, and the whole thing and the, and the cobalt blue.

• 1:12:14Speaker 05

  And, and so somewhere, I don't know what happened to that disposable camera because you got cut like after three days, five days, seven days. I imagine it's like, you know, being in a combine or like in a camp.

• 1:12:23Travis Kelce?

  American Idol, Jesus.

• 1:12:24Speaker 05

  It really was, yeah. And I got cut after three days and they were, they were like, if he, he could be a blue man if he worked on his drumming. And then, then I go home kind of defeated. And then, you know, a few weeks, you know, later, you know, nine 11. And then it was like, then that sort of like rattled us all and like, okay, what do you love? What do you, what do you really want to do? And it was stick with Second City at that point. And so I never, never auditioned again. But, but there's, yeah, there's a camera out there, but I know when I saw myself in the mirror, I looked at myself and no bullshit, I'm not, this isn't even like humility. I was like, I, I look like a blue peanut M and M. You couldn't see my cheekbones. You couldn't like my, like my feature, any features that I have on my face just, just got washed out. And I just looked like a, like all the dudes that I was friends with all looked like male models. And I was like, oh, I think maybe this,

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  I thought that if I wore this, I'd look as cool as they do. It's like, no, Jase, they look like that out of the makeup.

• 1:13:14Speaker 05

  I look, it, it, it looked like an upside down blue peanut M and M. It was horrible. So, yeah.

• 1:13:20Travis Kelce?

  Well, I mean, we know you're, you're a music guy. What's your, what's your go-to karaoke?

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  Ooh, I like Into the Mystic by Van Morrison.

• 1:13:28Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 1:13:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's kind of some saxophone in it.

• 1:13:30Travis Kelce?

  That's a great one.

• 1:13:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. I can, you can play that. Um, like that, or I mean, Bellevue, Poison.

• 1:13:38Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:13:39Speaker 05

  Gets the crowd going and you got a little rap on there too.

• 1:13:41Travis Kelce?

  You can get the dance moves going with that one.

• 1:13:43Speaker 05

  That's true. Yeah. As long as I don't tear a meniscus.

• 1:13:45Travis Kelce?

  Damn it. Don't do that. Do not do that.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  I know. That's how you know you're old, when you learn the word meniscus.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  Football players very familiar with the.

• 1:13:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:56Speaker 05

  But yeah, I those are a couple that come to mind. Forte and I used to do karaoke so much during our SNL years. Like, we would just go, just the two of us, to, you know, one of those private rooms in the West Village, and just get after, like, in the afternoon.

• 1:14:08Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  And it's just, it's just a blast. Paul Rudd, one of the greatest karaoke singers of all time, because he does deep cuts. I have learned of songs from doing karaoke with Rudd. Where I'm like, what is this? It's like, oh, this is a song called Dry Your Eyes by The Streets. I'm like, it's like, British hip hop guy. I was like, I'm like, shazaming a dude. Doing karaoke and it comes up.

• 1:14:32Speaker 05

  Him, that whole, that whole crew that did Wet Hot American Summer, like Ken Marino and Joe LaTruglio, like, really, really great karaoke, Bobby Cannavale, like, yeah, really a remarkable group of guys that would sing. And then, you know, Rudd and I will do some Broadway that'll, you know, do Rent, Knock Your Socks Off.

• 1:14:46Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  You know, when, because in those private rooms, you can go to private places.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  You're literally.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  Brett was another dude. This is just so.

• 1:14:55Travis Kelce?

  So good.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  There'll be so many flashbacks. All right.

• 1:14:58Speaker 05

  Great. Let him be flash forwards, bud.

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  All right, last question. If you weren't an actor.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  What would you be doing?

• 1:15:06Speaker 05

  Oddly enough, I think I would probably want to coach basketball and teach, like, acting. Like, be like, like, dude, like, I think that'd be so neat to, like, to be a drama teacher and it's kind of what I get to do as, you know, Ted Lasso.

• 1:15:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:19Speaker 05

  You know, both behind the scenes and in front of the camera. I really like seeing people reach their potential. Like, I like encouraging that. I don't do it as well as, as I could at every given moment, but that's one of the neat things of getting to write a show where you do play those type of characters. But yeah, I think those are two things that I've benefited from greatly in my life. Both, you know, team sports and being around the arts, like, growing up, you know, my mom taking us to see everything. My dad playing all sorts of music in the car and just everything in between. But I would want to do some version of that. I mean, I guess I am kind of doing that with my kids.

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  You know, and take them to go see plays and going to see basketball and sports and whatnot. But, you know, that would, that would be it. What about you guys? What would you do?

• 1:16:04Travis Kelce?

  Me?

• 1:16:05Speaker 05

  What are you gonna do?

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, what am I doing? I mean, I think that's why Travis signed up for another year of football.

• 1:16:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 03

  This guy has no idea what he's doing with his life right now. I gotta keep playing as long as I can.

• 1:16:17Speaker 05

  Do you know what you would have done?

• 1:16:18Travis Kelce?

  I feel like I would have still been in sports, like done some sort of broadcasting or something like that. I just remember always mimicking what I heard on the TV.

• 1:16:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:27Travis Kelce?

  And during games and stuff.

• 1:16:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Travis Kelce?

  Like John Madden and all those games.

• 1:16:31Speaker 05

  Of course, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what you'd have done?

• 1:16:33Speaker 03

  Probably coach.

• 1:16:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  I mean, I just think it's so hard to envision myself doing something outside of sports.

• 1:16:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  That was really the only thing that I was ever good at.

• 1:16:41Travis Kelce?

  I could see you playing the sax. I could see you playing the sax on SNL.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  The sax on SNL?

• 1:16:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  I was baritone in Cleveland Heights's jazz ensemble.

• 1:16:50Travis Kelce?

  You had some fucking solos though.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  You know why I was baritone? Because I wasn't good enough to play tenor alto.

• 1:16:55Speaker 05

  Baritone's like the bassline?

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Speaker 05

  That's funny. Yeah.

• 1:16:59Travis Kelce?

  Slow fingers. You gotta get those things fast.

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  Lenny Pickett is a legend.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:03Speaker 05

  I mean, come on. Power, power, man. That dude.

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  Golly, Crazy Legs. What was his name?

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  Uh, no, I don't.

• 1:17:08Speaker 05

  He has, he has, there's a dance that he does, like Lenny Pickett.

• 1:17:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  Who's the guy that played with saxophone on SNL?

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Tower Power is one of our.

• 1:17:17Speaker 05

  But he, but he has like a dance move that he did. He would like, I don't know, yeah. It's something that my buddy Billy always brings up. He's like, he's like, oh, that's Lenny Pickett, man. Crazy Legs.

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  That would be easy. I can't wait to watch these.

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  I know. I gotta find out what it is. Jason, it's not what it's called. Very, very chill guy. His saxophone is all over the place when his voice is very chill. Lenny, legend.

• 1:17:37Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man. Dude, thanks for coming on, brother.

• 1:17:40Speaker 05

  Of course, man.

• 1:17:40Travis Kelce?

  You're the best, brother.

• 1:17:41Speaker 05

  It's been so great. Thank you for having me. Really. Yes, absolutely.

• 1:17:44Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate you always showing up in KC too, man. We'll get back on the train, baby.

• 1:17:47Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 1:17:47Travis Kelce?

  We'll get back on the train.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  We will. I have, I'm, it's a big, again, it's a better, this is, this what happens at the end of the second act, you know? Like, this is when Woody and, you know, Buzz Lightyear, they're, they're away from each other, and they come back together.

• 1:17:58Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  That's the Chiefs and the trophy.

• 1:18:02Travis Kelce?

  Let's do it, baby. All right, nah. Shout out to Jason Sidakis. Um, what a guy, man.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:09Travis Kelce?

  That was, god damn it, I loved every second of it. It's one of those where like you really don't even read the rundown. And I hate to say that to our producers because you guys do a lot of hard work and a lot of research. But don't do it, Brandon.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  My, my iPad was off.

• 1:18:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no, he's one of those guys where you just ask an interesting question. Like, how about the Blue Man Crew? Like, are you kidding me?

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. The Blue Man Crew, like his time in Vegas, his time in Second City.

• 1:18:37Travis Kelce?

  Riding a Razor scooter.

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Travis Kelce?

  Through to the flamingo every day.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  I just, the thing I took away for sure is just how much he's like, how much he's valued all the people that he's been.

• 1:18:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh, he's so grateful. He's the best.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  It's just awesome.

• 1:18:50Travis Kelce?

  Just a Midwest, just a nice Midwest man.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:18:54Travis Kelce?

  That'll make him any better, man.

• 1:18:55Speaker 03

  No doubt.

• 1:18:56Travis Kelce?

  And he's, he's on the chief's side, which is a, you know, it's heartbreaking for me because I didn't make him proud.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  I think you did. I think.

• 1:19:03Travis Kelce?

  One day I will.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  You did.

• 1:19:05Travis Kelce?

  No, man. Jason's the best. Boo boo boo boo boo basketball. You know what I'm talking about? You have no fucking clue. This guy's clueless, man.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights, brought to you by Audible. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:19:23Travis Kelce?

  New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible, just like Jason said. Listen to what I gotta say. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. Thanks to our production and crew for, um, kinda doing some good stuff this time around.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Travis Kelce?

  You know, and kinda just.

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  Always, always.

• 1:19:42Travis Kelce?

  Always. Thanks to, thanks to you guys. Um, please delete anything that I will get canceled for. And to the 92%ers, hopefully you guys enjoyed, uh, both episodes this week and we will see you guys next week. Appreciate you tuning in.

• 1:19:56Speaker 03

  Peace.