Brandon Graham on Retirement, Rookie Jason Stories, Art of Trash Talking & The Brady Sack | EP 133

92%ers welcome back to another episode of New Heights! Once again brought to you by the HBO Original series The Last of Us premiering Sunday at 9 PM on Max! Today we are joined by Eagles legend Brandon Graham! Brandon and the guys get into everything from his emotional retirement announcement, his relationship with Philadelphia fans, the one play he would ban in the NFL, and his new children’s book. We also get into his relationship with Andy Reid, his favorite Jason Kelce rookie stories, how much research goes into his trash-talking, if he can remember all the QBs he’s sacked, and how often he’s asked about his iconic Super Bowl sack of Tom Brady. After the Brandon Graham convo, Jason and Travis offer the best golf advice that two football players can offer and we dive into a chain gang conspiracy theory. Check out BG’s ABCs on Amazon: https://a.co/d/5Qk650y For even more New Heights, check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow We want to hear from you! Fill out a survey about what you think of New Heights and you’ll have a chance to win a custom jersey from our New Orleans House Party: http://wondery.fm/NHSurvey NO PURCHASE NECESSARY. Ends 4/18/25 11:59:59PM PT. U. S. residents only. 18+. See Official Rules: http://wondery.fm/NHSS. Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights Support the Show: THE LAST OF US: The Emmy-winning HBO Original series The Last of Us premieres Sunday, April 13th, on Max. You can also listen to the official The Last of Us podcast wherever you get your podcasts. AMERICAN EXPRESS: For full terms and to learn more about the powerful backing of American Express, visit https://americanexpress.com/withAmex ALL STATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com https://allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds. LIQUID IV: Visit https://www.liquid-iv.com/ and stay fueled for a long day with sugar-free hydration featuring the new Raspberry Lemonade Hydration Multiplier – Get 20% off your first order with code NEWHEIGHTS at checkout. PERPLEXITY: Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity today. https://www.perplexity.ai/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:29Speaker 02

  The wrongs we must right. The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  That was the lowest of lows, uh, last year when we lost, and then Kelz retired.

• 1:55Speaker 04

  And everything got better.

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, well, well, it was crazy. I know, Kelz.

• 2:09Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. Produced by Waves Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us. Season two premieres Sunday 9pm on Max.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  How about that?

• 2:25Travis Kelce?

  Anybody watching White Lotus?

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Season finale was last night, Trev.

• 2:28Travis Kelce?

  Oh, my God. I think I'm two. I think I'm two or three episodes behind.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  Season finale.

• 2:33Travis Kelce?

  Don't tell me.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:34Travis Kelce?

  Don't do it.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  I think it's my favorite. That's tough. All the seasons of White Lotus have been great. This might be my favorite season. I the the last episode was electric.

• 2:44Travis Kelce?

  Electric. Love the sound of that because every other episode's kind of been just like waiting. I'm waiting.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  Well, there's a lot that happens this episode. There is a lot that happens. I don't. It might have been. I don't know that I'm. It's very good. It's very good. I don't even want to say anything negative about the show because the show is fantastic.

• 3:01Travis Kelce?

  Zip it. Well, the I'm glad you're enjoying White Lotus and I can't wait to watch, but season two of The Last of Us premieres on HBO Sunday 9pm on Max. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum. Shout out to, first of all, shout out to all the Bearcats down in the NFLPA golf outing that brought it home for the Cats.

• 3:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Sauce.

• 3:28Travis Kelce?

  That's right. That's right. Sauce. Well, then I don't know. Sauce is getting his swing right. I don't know if he was the reason why we won.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  He wasn't carrying it.

• 3:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, my guy Sauce, he brought it home though. He brought it home. That's all that counts, man. No, the Bearcats brought it home and make sure you guys, the 92%ers, subscribe on YouTube, Wondry Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media pages at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, let the people know what we have coming up.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  We got a great episode coming up for you guys. We got an incredible episode with Brandon Graham joining us today.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  That's right. That's right. We also are going to reveal the winners of the New Heights March Madness Bracket Challenge and answer some of your no dumb questions.

• 4:08Travis Kelce?

  All right now.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  As opposed to what we normally do, we're going to get right into it. We're going right to BG.

• 4:14Travis Kelce?

  Let's get it.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Philadelphia Eagles legend and icon.

• 4:18Travis Kelce?

  Five, five.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Best smile I've ever been around. I mean, it's insane. You're gonna see. You'll see. Our guest today is a first round draft pick from Detroit, Michigan. He's a Walter Payton NFL man of the year nominee. Prolific trash talker, Pro Bowler, the record holder for most games played in Philadelphia Eagles history. That's right, he is two time Super Bowl champion and my former teammate, 92 percenter. Please welcome Brandon Graham.

• 4:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, baby. Appreciate you coming on, dog.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  I appreciate y'all having me for real. This is an honor, man. I appreciate it.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Honor is all ours, BG. How you doing? How you living?

• 5:01Speaker 03

  You know what? I'm living good in the, in the facility every day, working out.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  I know.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Getting that.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Getting, getting that, um, that rehab and figuring out next steps for real.

• 5:14Travis Kelce?

  Nice, man. So you, you retort in the game, in the, in the Super Bowl. Man, you're, you're an absolute warrior, dog, for going back out there and finding a way to make it on that field and, and congrats again. I know we talked after the game, man, but, uh, I can't say enough about how fun it is to play against you because I respect you so much and how much, how much trash talk you, you're always one of the best competitors and you back up your shit talking and it was always fun seeing you on the field, man. So, uh, congrats on a great career, brother.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Man, thank you, man. It's, it's definitely going to be different, but I'm excited for what's to come because as you know, I could figure out a way to trash talk in this, in this, in this, uh, in this era too.

• 5:54Travis Kelce?

  This day and age, yeah.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Keep that time for the kids. By the way, how, how the kids doing?

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Man, you know what? Baby girl's doing good. Gymnastics is, uh, is the queen for her life and, uh, and right now baby boy is all over. Uh, he got baseball, just started opening day yesterday.

• 6:08Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm talking. There we go.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's cool. And, uh, he love it, you know, he love, he got some lacrosse. He's playing with second graders now. He's in kindergarten, but, uh, but he don't like lacrosse, but he, he is really good at it, but he just don't, like he just, I, I love that I know, uh, what he do and don't like, but you never know, it changes. But, um, uh, to see him, even though I didn't grow up on lacrosse, um, seeing how, how it's played, the rules and stuff like that, it's kind of cool to see him, uh, do his thing. And then of, of course, flag football is, uh, one that he liked because he's been around football.

• 6:43Travis Kelce?

  Nice, man.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Before we get to the rest of this interview with BG, as we start every show off, everybody who watches knows, all United Gypers are out there. We gotta get to a little bit of that. New news.

• 6:55Travis Kelce?

  New news. BG, give us a little, give us a little new news, BG. New news.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 7:05Travis Kelce?

  He's a pro. He's a pro. You can put him anywhere, man. That's great stuff.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  You had a really emotional day a couple of weeks ago, right? Where you officially announced your retirement. I know you said it before the season. You led up to the season knowing it was going to be your last year. And I've talked about this. I mean, I feel like even midway through the year, we would talk, I'm like, man, you're still, you're still balling. How did the family react to that? How was that day?

• 7:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  So, so my wife, she used to get, get on me like, hey, make sure you write down little bullet points for that day when it do come. If it's this year or next year, whatever, whatever year. But just make sure you just writing down things, something that, so you could remember who, who's been a real big impact in your life and all this stuff. So I had notes that I was just writing.

• 7:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  It, it helped. And man, it hit me though, like how I hit you probably, man, it just, when I seen everybody looking back at me and I knew this was the moment where it was over. It's like, woo. Been doing this a long time and I'm so thankful, man.

• 8:05Travis Kelce?

  Just thinking about it.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Oh, man. It's, it's, you put all this work in for these amount of years. And man, it's like even from Little League all the way up to now. It's like, man, this all I know. This every off season. It's like, man, I gotta get ready. I gotta get my body right, get it right. And now it's more of now I'm trying to get it right to look good instead of, um, that's my new motivation. I, I wanna look good. I wanna be on the beach where I can take my shirt off. You know, hairy and all, hairy and all, but looking ripped up.

• 8:36Travis Kelce?

  They don't wanna see that.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  They don't wanna see all of that.

• 8:40Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome, man.

• 8:41Speaker 04

  Well, you you killed the speech and not only that, you killed the lead up to the speech. You had the social media, you got everybody kind of mouth watering with the Rocky Balboa statue over by the Rocky, the history museum steps, or art history museum steps.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  Ah, yeah.

• 8:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, you already know. You already know.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  That was so cool. That was it. I wanted to do something so Philly, man. That was, that was it. That was a Philly thing where I was like, man, where can I hang my cleats up somewhere in Philly? And I was like, ooh, the statue, Rocky steps.

• 9:13Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  And man, they, they did it. They did it for me. The Eagles brought their team down. Um, we met out early that morning, eight o'clock and be like, hey, we got an announcement at 12. And it just worked out so good, man. And that's how I know this was the right, it was the right choice. Cause of course I called Howie like, hey, I could still cancel this thing, man. What's up?

• 9:37Speaker 03

  For real.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  That is, that is something I definitely want to ask you because I know you said before the season, it was gonna be your last year, but you were playing so well.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Right? And like you're still, you could still play the game. Did you second guess this at all? Like how, I know, I know before the season, you said it's gonna be your last, but what was it like leading up to this decision? Were there moments where you're like, man, I think I might want to give it another run? Or were you like, no, I'm done?

• 10:03Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be totally honest with you. I wanted to give it another run because I got hurt. Uh, and I was like, man, I gotta, I got a whole bunch left that I can still do. And I was going, really this year would have been the real last year for sure. If he would have kind of granted that, but he was like, man, it's such a storybook ending. And man, that's what I said in my prayer. When I walked in, I prayed before I had went in the day before. I was like, okay, Lord, I'm gonna just, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, you just leave me on this. And when I walked in, I was like, I'm gonna put it in his hands. If, if Howie, if we, if we don't come to a conclusion that we can do it again, I, I ain't even gonna fight it. So when I walk in, he like, BG, like, what you want to do? I say, man, what you want me to do?

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Cause you know my heart. You know my heart. He was like, BG, this is such a fairy tale ending, man. I can't let you. I can't let you, man. Like, you gotta go out on top. And when he said fairy tale, I was like, alright, Lord, I'm done. I'm done. I, I, I didn't even fight it after that. And so, I just felt like a weight was lifted off my shoulder when it happened. And I was like, okay, I don't have to fight. Fight no more. I ain't gotta fight no more. Cause, man, I had this chip on my shoulder for so long on like just people like what you said, man. Like, I'm a bust and all that stuff. I, I carry that every year as motivation, uh, to go out there and make sure I'm working. Uh, but my family for sure was, you know, my biggest motivation. But that was one that I always was like, man, how we never want to get rid of me?

• 11:33Speaker 03

  And you kind of play, play that game in your head. And that's why you train hard and you go hard and, uh, make them sacrifices that you know that's hard to make. Like eating food and all that stuff. Cause you want to look good. All that.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  No doubt.

• 11:47Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, man, 15 seasons, 218 games. You shut all those two-time Super Bowl champion, you shut all those fucking doubters up or anybody that had anything to say, man. What, what made you love football? You gotta tell, you're Detroit guys, you're from that blue collar, that, that tough area. What was it about Philly that year in, year out, made you stick around? Because it was always, I mean, it was an up and down roller coaster for you. See, year in, year out, you've had multiple different coaches, uh, pull through. Like, what was it about the city and about this organization that, that really made you want to be there as an Eagle your entire career?

• 12:26Speaker 03

  Well, stripping that, stripping that ball on Brady, man, that made, that helped me out a lot.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Cause I didn't like, I didn't like in Philly at first, man. I'm telling you, like Philly fans was so tough, man. And it just wasn't, it just, it just wasn't everything I wanted it to be. But like you say, coming from Detroit, being a fighter, um, not knowing that, hey, this your first real adversity is like, how you gonna fight back? And so. I think for me, uh, having like guys like Trent and uh, having guys like JP in my head like, hey, man, uh, like if Chip Kelly wants you to play special teams, go play special teams, be the best at it, man, like, no sense of crying about it, cause I used to be like, man, I ain't never played special teams when Coach Reed was here. Now I gotta do this, play all four and I, it was an opportunity.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  And so I even still use that story to data for the, for the guys because man, once I, once I really had my mindset of, man, I'mma do it. It turned into something that I didn't even know that it would turn into where I'm on kickoff. And them boys putting two or three on me because I'm running through the wedge and whoever was the one that I ran through, they needed two people. And so, and so it became that, like, you know, and, and man, it was all mindset with that. And then I think it took, took my career to another level because I had some adversity that I went through. I conquered that by my attitude and then look, look what happened, man. Now they, after games like BG, man, our special teams coach was like, man, you need to block, we need to go ahead to block 55 on kickoff. Cause he coming down, running through, you know, you better get your, you better get your chin strap buckled up, you know what I'm saying?

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Put your mouthpiece in, so.

• 14:01Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, you're an eagle, you're an eagle favorite for, for a lifetime now, man. You gave them happiness that they never experienced in their life twice. And you even threw out the first pitch to Saquon the other day. Uh, did you practice before you went up there? Were you throwing the ball around a little bit?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  They didn't let us, uh, uh, I had did one in Michigan, in Detroit, my only, only one I did before I actually did that one, uh, last week. And man, nah, they didn't let us go in the dugout and throw. We just had to, and I had the trophy in my hand and I had to throw it. So it, it made it even like, man, we want somebody, we want to get the pick for the trophy. And BG, you gotta hold it. Cause Saquon was like, nah, I ain't holding it. I'mma let you hold it.

• 14:43Speaker 03

  Cause he was more worried about getting the ball over the plate. So I was like, alright. But, um, nah, I didn't, I just, I just kept it high, just kept it high.

• 14:51Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  And.

• 14:51Travis Kelce?

  Floated it in there.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  Floated it in there.

• 14:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's what I should have did. I decided to try to do a heater.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  You see Travis is up there.

• 14:59Travis Kelce?

  From the mound. No, you know, nobody should ever see that.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  From the mound though, huh?

• 15:04Travis Kelce?

  From, from the mound like an idiot. Yeah. Without, with, with, with no practice. When I tell you I haven't thrown anything since my pick in 2015 to the New York Giants.

• 15:17Travis Kelce?

  I had like, I was, I just, I spiked it right in the ground, man. It was terrible.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Man, they laughed at you, huh?

• 15:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I got my redemption though in KC a few weeks after that.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:27Travis Kelce?

  I got a, I got a chance to go back in KC. So I did, I did it right in KC, but in front of the hometown, I felt like a gem.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Oh, and, oh yeah, I know that was, that was.

• 15:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was bad.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  That's the bad.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Brandon, you're only the second defensive player we've had on the show, actually. Second defensive lineman too.

• 15:44Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you and Chris Jones.

• 15:45Speaker 04

  As someone who has defended quarterback sneaks, what is your opinion on the banning of the tush push potentially?

• 15:53Speaker 03

  I think it's kind of, I don't want to say soft, but it is because man, ain't no way, it ain't no way. Ain't no way I will show my hand to say, man, they need to stop this because we can't stop it. It's like, no, because if everybody could do it like we know, you gotta have a personnel for it first. Then you gotta work the technique and practice and like we do, we just got a good thing that we got going and it's like, stop it, man. Ain't nobody got hurt on it. If anything, you know, you come out from under the, under the huddle like, oh man, I gotta, I gotta get ready for the next one, but that's football though. That's what we do. I mean, it's big grown men up front that you gotta push. And if I'm not strong enough, it won't happen, but we got a strong goal line and I'm sorry.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  It's, it's a little soft in my opinion, but it gotta get voted. And I'm, I'm, I hate that we hear, you know, some that, that, that we created, but people don't like, um, because they don't want to see it because they can't stop it.

• 16:47Travis Kelce?

  Let me ask you this. If you could ban in one NFL offensive play outside of the tush push, what, what would you ban?

• 16:54Speaker 03

  Ooh, one, one play outside of the.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  Uh, crack toss. Get that up out of there.

• 17:00Travis Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Like I tell them boys, hit me in my face, boy. Hit me in my face.

• 17:07Travis Kelce?

  I'm flanking every day. You know I'm flanking. I'm flanking. I'm sneak attacking the whole time.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I know. If that's the one, you just made me think about it, because, uh, you know, you the one that come right on the side. It's like, boy, how you gonna get me like that?

• 17:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, bet it, bet it sneaky. It's, uh, you gotta sneak attack you, man.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  You are doing something about children's books in the last bit of the news. That's right. BG.

• 17:34Travis Kelce?

  This is awesome, man.

• 17:35Speaker 04

  With the children's book, baby. Look at this. BG's ABCs.

• 17:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh, this is awesome, man.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Man, I can appreciate you.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Check him out. Check him out.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  You know what, man? Me being a family man, me, uh, I felt like that was right up my alley and, you know, just got to talking about it with some people and, you know, just wanted to make sure that for me, that I, that I went out there and just, I wanted to add value to the world, as you know, and the key is, is where, where we at. And I felt like, for me, man, I just wanted to do something different, something, um, that came up. And my wife was like, man, she was all for it. Like, yeah, you know, this would be sweet, something that you could do. I read to the kids every night, anyway. And so I thought this would, would, would be just something that, that just would add more value to the season that we had on top of

• 18:30Speaker 03

  the, the person I am, that my kids see me, you know, every day. And I felt like this was a good, good opportunity for me to add some more value to my kids and something that they can look back on and be like, man, you did that. And so, that was cool.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  It's awesome.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Uh, but for the most part, man, I think this was near and dear, uh, to my heart with, uh, with the kids and I wanted my kids to see something other than just football, uh, of them dad doing something, something cool.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Well, it definitely fits in line with Brandon Graham. I could see a Brandon Graham book coming a million miles away. You're a great dad, you're a great father. So this, I can't wait. Cannot wait. Check it out, everybody.

• 19:04Travis Kelce?

  BG's ABCs.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  It's gonna be out May knife, y'all. May knife, preorder now on Amazon. Just type in Brandon Graham book and it'll be popped up right there. So appreciate y'all.

• 19:16Travis Kelce?

  Hopefully it helps me with my reading, man. Man, I'm a scrub. I can barely read this damn rundown.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  And you, you know what? It's gonna get better as you get kids, man. You gonna wanna just give them everything that you got. And I know for you, man, it's gonna be cool, but make sure, you know, you ready when you ready, cuz it's gonna slow you down a little bit.

• 19:33Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  In a good way, in a great way.

• 19:36Travis Kelce?

  No, yeah, of course. All right, that does it for a little new news, man. Let's, uh, let's talk to 2024 Eagles, man. You guys didn't end on a really a high note in 2023. Um, so coming into this season, what were the, uh, what were the, uh, is, are the expectations always Super Bowl? Or bust, or is it just like, what were the expectations coming into the season in terms of in the locker room? What were you guys talking?

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Well, we was at the lowest I felt in a while that we've been, especially coming off a season after we lost to y'all. That was, that was, that was tough. That was tough when we lost to Arizona. But coming off that year, we just had a, it was a lot of excitement coming back cuz we had a lot of guys from that team. But, but it, but the lesson for me was when you, when you gotta replace coaches, uh, that was, that was pretty tough. Because we had the side come in, then we had got some other people that came in and everybody, I feel when you, you have a certain amount of time, as you know, to get everybody on the same page and to be able to, uh, as a D coordinator to come in, teach his scheme. And you have to be able to pass the message from coach to player and the players gotta be able to receive it.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  It's just the timing of everything really didn't, didn't fit with the type of team we, we was, we had and the expectations that was coming. But I felt like, uh, that was the lowest of lows, uh, last year when we lost and then Kelce retired.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  And everything got better.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  I'm okay. I feel so bad, man.

• 21:07Travis Kelce?

  Y'all got a little bigger on the offensive line.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  It opened up some doors, didn't it? It opened up some doors. Oh, man. But, uh, yeah, it was a lot of expectations, uh, from this year, just not repeating, you know, from last year. And so when Vic came, I think Vic was able to hire other coaches that he had that was, that he already was familiar with. So that worked out perfect because the, the DB coach, he came in, man, he already knew Vic. D-line coach, Coach Clint knew Vic. I mean, Wash is a great coach already, uh, with us. So we've been together for a while. So we already knew how, how to work with him. And then, um, yeah, man, it's about how you, who, how you working together and how you relay the message and how you teaching it.

• 21:53Speaker 03

  And I think Vic was real tough early on and man, he was tough as far as, like, he was like source to me, which I like is I'm not your friend. I'm here to do my job. I'm here to do my job. And then if we build to that, eventually you break them in, you know? And so I felt like we was gonna break them in one of these days. And man, when he came in saying some of the lingo that some of the guys say, oh, man, you knew.

• 22:16Travis Kelce?

  You know.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  You knew you had him. You knew it because, um, we was rubbing off on him in a good way because he was so tough, man, early on. And he just thought we sucked.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  He was like, man, you guys last year, y'all don't work hard enough. And he said that openly, but I think as we got, we gained his trust and, and his respect. Uh, after as, as just going through everyday life with him and, uh, and by the end of the year, our, our goal was to get him a big smile. And, uh, that was when he held that trophy, man. And I got that picture on my phone, uh, where he got holding it up and smiling.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Let's switch it up a little bit to the offense, though. What was it like adding Saquon from your perspective?

• 22:54Travis Kelce?

  What was that? What were those first couple of practices like with a workhorse like that?

• 22:59Speaker 03

  Man, when you see him hitting the hole and just know like, he ran to the, he ran to the zone every time. Like every time in practice, he always run to the zone. Uh, and so.

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Run to the zone?

• 23:10Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 23:12Travis Kelce?

  He finishes everything.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, he finishes. He finished everything and they always got somebody in for him.

• 23:18Travis Kelce?

  He finished everything in the game too. You hand him that ball, he's gonna find a way to break away. See, people don't understand when you get running backs like that, that know how to train for those big gains. They know they have the home run legs and the stride and the ability to separate once they get to second level. If they take that practice seri- in in practice seriously, it just translates to the game. And I feel like almost every single game he played, we saw at least one in the second half, when he had already ran for a hundred yards. And it was just so impressive. And sure enough, in practice, he's taking every single run to the house. It's.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  He wore people down. I mean, the off- like, I gotta give Stoudler his credit always, man, because it started with him. He's the technician. As far as keep staying on the offensive offensive line, making sure that, as Kelsey know, that you guys are working the technique right over and over and over. Can't get bored with the details. And so you see Stoud all the time, just just always on, always thinking next level. And man, it just worked out so much for him this year, especially at Saquon. He was the ace in the hole for us that we've been needing. You know, just because, man, getting him, you need a home run hitter like that. And that boy was wearing people out.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Like, you might have got him in the first half, and if you did get him, that second half, he go- he ready for the the big one.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  And I can remember the Saints game, when he hit that home run, going up the middle. Well, you know, it's almost like the same trade. Play that counter play. Boy, woo, them boys. I wouldn't want to see none of them boys coming my way like a Jordan Molata on a pool.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  Landon Dickerson, Jordan Molata. Oh, my goodness.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  That left side and Lane already a brick wall. Man, Lane, Lane hold down that right side. And when we really, like, I think Steen gonna be a really good, a good one this year. We have Makai, but I think Steen is a good one, and we would probably draft one too. But, man, we got a really good line. Cam held up all the way through. And I I don't see why we couldn't do it again, other than just staying healthy.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  We did have Saquon on the show, right when he had been picked up.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  And he did mention he was glad he didn't have to hear your smack talk anymore.

• 25:32Travis Kelce?

  You have to apologize for any previous shit talking, or what?

• 25:35Speaker 03

  Nah, nah, ain't no apologies, man. That's how I felt at the time.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Hey, that's why I don't ever go too personal because man, I don't want nobody looking for me afterwards. But at that same time, like man, I'm just trying to get in your head, trying to have a little fun while backing it up.

• 25:52Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  But Kelce, just know, man, you was, you was big, you was a part of that too, man. As much as, yeah, you retired, but everybody always was looking for you when you came in. And I think we added a lot of value on just being in that building, man. Cause that culture is, is what, what we did every day. All these boys do is work and they work and they put the work in and I think we built to that, man. Now, now it's just more about for us just showing that love, having that access to come in. And I don't want the hours of the coaches, but I, I want to be able to add value to the organization and keep it going.

• 26:25Travis Kelce?

  Well, it's like you're reading the rundown right now, BG, man.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  Hey, that was just a little pitch, that's my pitch.

• 26:31Travis Kelce?

  There you go. What was the, what was the first season without the guys that you came in with? You were the, you were the last of the Mohicans, so to speak, with Jason and Fletch retiring in 2023. And you already know, you guys share the same type of, of, of character and, and desire to help these young guys out. What was it like being the last guy from the, from the start that, that was there to show the, the guys coming in? And to set the culture, every, because you need those guys year in, year out. No matter if they're coming from a different team, you got to have those culture setters in training camp and, and early on in the seasons to be able to, you know, get everybody dialed in the right way. What was it like without Jason and Fletch last year?

• 27:17Speaker 03

  It was different. Um, you know, I, I would see Kelce, so it made it, it made it, made it a lot better. Uh, but Fletch really didn't come around as much. And I think, I don't know if he was just not wanting to be around because he, he be hunting. You know, I know he loving what he doing. But you know.

• 27:34Travis Kelce?

  He was trying to figure out what was going on in August.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  He doing his own thing. Kelce was just do, I mean, he was just doing his own thing. And so it was different because that's somebody who had his locker right next to me, uh, the whole time, uh, all the way until, you know, he was done. So seeing someone else. And Mojo Moro, Ojamo is a guy that I really respect, man. I think he gonna be a guy this year that's gonna have a big year too. Again, uh, cause you know, it's a lot of guys on that bench already that I feel is gonna add value to the team, uh, this year, especially with, uh, milk going, um, then we gotta replace sweaty. But yeah, Fletch was a guy that man, I was, uh, like dang.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  We were really lucky because we in here, I think the Eagles have been so well run for a long time. For Jeffrey Lurie on down, obviously Andy before, uh, he left to go to Kansas City. There was such a culture established when we got there. Whether it was Trent Cole, JP, Brent Selick, like Jason Avant, like there's, the Eagles have always done a great job of keeping guys around specifically for that, I think. And everybody does it in their own way. Some guys are gonna be vocal like, hey, this is just, this is stupid. I don't know why we're doing this. This is the dumbest thing in the world. And you need the other guys to be like, hey, you know, let's just, let's just do it for a little bit. We're just gonna do it today. Yeah. Then we'll see how it goes. You know what I mean? We're gonna go out there, do our

• 28:57Speaker 04

  jobs. But I'm dead serious. If everybody, if, if you never get that side of somebody, uh, you know, voicing that, then nothing really gets changed. It needs to get changed. So the more I, I used to like, early in my career, similar to you, I didn't really understand. It was like, man, can we just go out here and do our thing? And then the older you get, the more you realize like, oh no, it's good to voice that stuff. A lot of the times. Cause not only are they feeling it, other people in the team are feeling it, but they can't voice it because they're not the, the big guys, the big names. You know what I mean?

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Yep. Yep.

• 29:30Travis Kelce?

  I got a quick story. My first seven years in the league, we always sat in the back of the plane. And it just, it was what it was. You know what I mean? The coaches stay up late. They gotta get ready for the next game plan. The plane didn't have like, The big, it wasn't enormous plane where there were multiple rows of like first class. For whatever reason, uh, my guy Carlos Dunlop comes in from Cincinnati and he makes his way to, to Kansas City. Uh, at this point in his career, I think he's like a 10 plus, 13 plus year vet.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:03Travis Kelce?

  Proven, does things the right way, talks to people the right way, comes in, he says, what are we sitting in the back of the plane for? Man, you, we gotta say something about this. Like, I'm not, we, I'm too old to be sitting in the back of the plane. Like, wow, we gotta go ahead. We gotta make, I'm just, I'm like, man, listen, Carlos, we pick and choose our battles here.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, right, right.

• 30:26Travis Kelce?

  That's not the, man, the next week, he made it. He talked to somebody in the organization and the next week we were all sitting up in first class. Lee, back later, like, oh, this is pretty, nice.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  The Eagles ain't gonna be happy about hearing this because the Eagles still don't, they're, everybody's still in the back right there.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Everybody.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  And who used to complain about it?

• 30:50Speaker 03

  Myself.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Big Fletch?

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Big Fletch. Well, Fletch was the man one. Fletch was the man one. I gotta get Fletch is, is, is.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  And he's right. It is stupid. Why the heck are the players in the back of the plane?

• 31:00Travis Kelce?

  Especially when you got 300 pound, you know, 6'7", 6'9", all these big, yeah, all these big offensive, defensive lineman, man. Let him get some, let him get at least, let him at least get a seat they could fit in, man.

• 31:13Speaker 03

  How the trainers up here? What? Like, you know.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm telling you, man. I used to not walk up. I used to always get out the back because I never wanted to watch, well, go to the front because it'd be like, man, all these coaches eating all this M and M's and stuff like they did some.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  You know, man, but for real, uh, Chip Kelly, one thing I can say, well, the one thing Chip Kelly had right, that boy got us in the front, boy. He was like, we are, we are coaches. They the players. And it was like, yeah, everything else was like, all right, coach.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  I did want to say before we moved on, that is one thing that I really like, and I'm sure you're gonna enjoy too BG, is you know, we had the guys that we inherited it from with, with Trent and JP and Yvonne and all those guys.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Now it's really fun for me watching a guy like Jordan Malata take another step as a leader, you know, they already got Lane Johnson in that room, but you, you get to see these young guys and you already mentioned Mora, right? Like a guy that comes to work and you're starting to see all these guys that are now gonna be replacing the, the, the backbone of the leaders in those, in the locker room. And that's something I love seeing every single day now.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  I love that, man. You right, cuz I am gonna, uh, cuz that's my biggest question, like, man, who gonna step up in a big way this year? I mean, I know Nolan, um, I already be talking with him. We always, you know, converse cuz I mean, we both rehabbing our tricep and you know, seeing him, I know that, I'm like, man, it went from my, not even my room because I felt I wanted sweaty to feel, not the pressure, I want him to be able to voice his opinion, be out there, man, it's your room, man. Like, I'm just here, yeah, I'm the vet, but if you need me, I'm here, but we listening to you, we seeing you every day cuz you the starter of this show, your team, and now I'm Nolan, it's, it's like, man, you the, you the one, you the one now, when the guys come in.

• 33:05Speaker 04

  He stepped up too, man.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  He did, man. I'm proud of him.

• 33:08Travis Kelce?

  Lot of strides, man. He was, he gave me fits in the game.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  It was interesting cuz the, the play in the run was always the knock, it's like he's lighter and how's he gonna do it? And man, he would cut pulling tackles, trying to kick them out.

• 33:20Travis Kelce?

  He's got heavy hands, man. He's setting the edge.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Oh, he got heavy hands, and I mean, no gloves too, like, that's the thing, man. I got much respect.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  Bro, put some gloves on, put some gloves on, I ain't got no respect, why you, why you not wearing the gloves? Who you trying to impress? We all know your hands are gonna work just as good with them gloves on, and they're gonna, like, I don't know.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  You right, you right, cuz.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  I don't like, I don't like this, like, oh, I'm too cool, I don't wear gloves thing. It's only an advantage, put the goddamn gloves on, alright?

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, when that ball come in and that thing sticky, and they sticky, it got you, you know, but yeah, I with you, I with you, Kelce.

• 33:53Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  But yeah, he raw talent.

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• 34:01Travis Kelce?

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• 34:40Travis Kelce?

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• 34:55Speaker 04

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• 35:04Travis Kelce?

  Like bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot, that's what makes it special.

• 35:11Speaker 04

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• 35:20Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  I love a water park.

• 35:24Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 35:42Travis Kelce?

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• 35:53Travis Kelce?

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• 36:01Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 36:08Speaker 04

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• 36:12Travis Kelce?

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• 36:14Speaker 04

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• 36:15Travis Kelce?

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• 36:27Speaker 04

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• 36:38Travis Kelce?

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• 36:46Speaker 04

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• 36:53Travis Kelce?

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• 36:56Speaker 04

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• 37:03Travis Kelce?

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• 37:08Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's, uh, let's throw it back to the 2010 NFL Draft. Did you always know it was gonna be the Eagles?

• 37:15Speaker 03

  No, I only met with them 15 minutes, man. Uh, that was at the combine and, uh, and that, at that hotel where they had all the meetings at one point, but I think it's different. They said now, uh, but yeah, I was just 15 minutes, Matt McDermott. I mean, Sean McDermott and, um, and then it was Coach Reed. I remember them talk, going over my Iowa game, cause that was a big game of the year. We was going through, going through, uh, different plays and that, uh, that I made. Uh, I think I probably had like three, two sacks that game and it was like a big, it was a big one. We lost, but it came down to the last, to the end and just had a big game. And so it was cool. Talk with them and then that was it.

• 37:53Travis Kelce?

  How was that 15 minute meeting with, uh, Coach Reed?

• 37:56Speaker 03

  It was, it was intimidating, man. Cause you know, as you know, that, that big, that big, oh, like.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  That big mustache.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  That mustache.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Not smiling at all. Like, man, I didn't really, even when I got to, got in the league, it was like, man, he didn't talk to us like for real unless you was just a guy that just went out and made plays. And as I continued, like by my third year, he started to say little things like, great, like, and great job. Like, you know, you could see his excitement when people made plays, like how I would see it with like Shady. Like the offensive side always would get that out of him, especially on offense. But on defense, you had to really work to get that, get that from him. But yeah, Coach Reed, he was tough, man. And I see him now with y'all and I love that he got a ring finally, man, cause well, a couple now, but more than a couple. But you know what I mean? Like, uh, when he was here, he would always get.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Before he got stopped at the door, you know, went through some, some garbage, man, at the end of his stuff. But the reward was so much greater, uh, losing his son and all that, man, being there for that. Uh, and being there for him during that time, all that stuff, man. That's why I was so happy, happy for him. We lost, but I would, that's why I had to walk up on him and grab him at the end, cause I had to pay the respect for one. I ain't want him run, uh, in that moment, cause as much as I wanted to go to that locker room, boy, and not just dap people up. I had to eat it and be like, you know what? Be, be a professional, man. Go out and give, cause when your time come, you gonna want the same thing. And so, uh, went to talk to coach, talk to you, talk to Frank Clark at the time, cause you know, he went to Michigan.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  And, uh, I was just, and I felt good, man. Even at that party, it made me feel a lot better, uh, talking it out with the team and what went wrong. And, uh, I hope he went to the party. If not, it's all good. But it, it just was refreshing, um, after we talked about it. And it didn't feel so bad after we lost. But I was so happy for Coach Reed though, man, cause, uh, he, as you know, he, he's a, um, he's an A-list coach, man, and somebody that, uh, you know, you gonna miss when he gone.

• 39:57Travis Kelce?

  A-list human being right there. Uh, what does Andy even ask a D lineman in an interview? Can you remember? I mean, I know it was 15, 16 years ago, but like, what? Yeah. What, what did, did he, did he ask much or was it mostly McDermott and the, and the D-line coaches and all that?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Mostly McDermott, mostly McDermott talking, uh, Coach Reed just probably was just sitting back, just kinda watching. And then when, uh, I remember when I left, like, he just was talking, you know, like, low, how he talk, he wasn't like, it wasn't no excitement, it was all serious in that, at the time. For me, man, you know, me coming in, I was like, what up, Coach, hey, y'all, hey, you know, that, all that. Uh, but it wasn't, it wasn't as many smiles as much as it was smiles on draft day when they drafted me. They was just asking me about, you know, my stuff that I think, I think, uh, weed was more of a, of a topic at one, at one point in college, you know? Just talk about the smoking and all that stuff, but I didn't really have no off the field stuff in college.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  It was, I think I had a, what was it, one disorderly conduct for my, my speakers in my car, you know, stuff like that. I think that's what they.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  That's nothing.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, just being disruptive, like, it was one of them. I had to answer to.

• 41:08Speaker 04

  If I'm a coach, I like that. Alright, he's disruptive.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I know.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  I want my defensive end to be disruptive.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we talked about that, uh, yeah, and then we talked about, that's it.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  I'm just being honest. If somebody comes to me and they, I got two defensive ends, they were in the exact same speeds, same times. And the only other information they give me is like, one of them never really talks and is super quiet, and the other one is super disruptive. I'm like, I'm taking the disruptive one. Give me the disruptive, disorderly conduct.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Give me that one, give me that one. He got some aggression, boy, he ready.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, yeah. Got a fire in his belly, I like it.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 41:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man, you were, uh, you were already, uh, you were already in an Eagles uniform, but what, what was your first impression of when Jason Kelce got on the team?

• 41:53Speaker 03

  First impression?

• 41:54Travis Kelce?

  Can you remember your first time being like, who the fuck is this guy?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  It was the entire season.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  Well, you know what? He, that hair, it's that hair, the hair at the time.

• 42:03Travis Kelce?

  He had the long hair.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Had the long hair, you know, he was, he wasn't as.

• 42:07Travis Kelce?

  Flowing out the helmet, he had the cape on.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  He had the cape on. And then we had, uh, who we have, uh, we have Mud, huh? Mud at that time.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Howard Mud.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, Howard Mud.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Danny Watkins.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, Danny Watkins, oh, man, oh.

• 42:21Travis Kelce?

  The fireman with the fire truck.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Danny definitely was not at, at, I mean, he was at, he was there more than he was, uh, playing, playing football, for real. I got much respect for Danny though. He, he, he used it. He used it, man. He used it.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  He, at the end of the day, Danny just, he wanted to be a fireman instead of a football player more. Like, I mean, there ain't nothing wrong with that. I respect the hell out of firemen, right?

• 42:43Speaker 03

  I respect it.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Now, it's pretty crazy. He got drafted in the first round and then, but having that mentality, but uh, nah, he's, I think, I just saw something a couple of years ago. He saved somebody's life being a fireman. Like, hey, Danny doing his thing.

• 42:57Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, Danny.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, Danny is doing his thing, man. I mean, you know, he found his niche for after.

• 43:03Travis Kelce?

  I remember my brother Todd telling me that Danny bought a fire truck, like one that they weren't using anymore. And was just riding around the city. And I'm like, Jason is just going around hammering beers, riding around Philly in a fucking fire truck.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  He took it to the game. People probably got out of the way, huh?

• 43:21Travis Kelce?

  I'm in college still. I'm like, what the fuck kind of life is this guy living out there in Philadelphia, man?

• 43:26Speaker 04

  We, we took it to the game. It might've been the game at Tor may C L. I don't even remember, but we took it to the game. Uh, one of them, I'm in there with an axe with a big old mustache or something like that. I can't remember. Photo's out there somewhere.

• 43:38Travis Kelce?

  You got a favorite, uh, Jason Kelce story from, uh, your time there? We, uh, we all know about the trash cans and the, and the helmets being thrown during practices and stuff. You got any, you got any, you got any good stuff outside of those?

• 43:52Speaker 03

  You know what? If I had to think about, you know what? Some of his speeches, man, was great, especially like during COVID years when we was inside the bubble, man. Like, I just felt like your speeches always hit home because of, uh, you know, just the realness of them, man. And, you know, I just always respect just how like you guys on here, y'all be vulnerable and crying and all that stuff. Like me, I was, I grew up, you know, my mom used to be on me about crying. And so, man, I used to be so tough. Even this, even, it felt so good crying when I had, uh, did my speech because, man, it's just been a while. You know what I'm saying? I always, you always try to be too tough. And it's like, man, I love that you guys, uh, you know, wear that, wear that emotion on your sleeve, man.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Cause I mean, we need more of that as men, uh, getting that stuff out. And so I'm, I've, I've. Gotten a lot better with that and I always admire that, uh, that you can, you know, do that. And so, man, I, I felt for me, you know, just even with the speeches, you know, we always listen because we knew that you're just not a bullshitter, man. Like, you know, you might laugh and have fun and all this stuff here and there, but it's more of like, uh, when you do get you, you know, opening up and doing some stuff, man, it's always cool because you can tell that it means something to you. So that's, that's what, just telling you my inspiration, uh, your inspiration on how you inspire, you know, just me on just like, man, how you can know your emotions. Like, you know what I'm saying? And, and, and be okay with that.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Man, well, every single time I, I was trying not to, I was trying not to cry, but I couldn't help it.

• 45:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's the thing about it. I don't know what it is. It's in the blood.

• 45:24Speaker 03

  But I can respect it.

• 45:25Speaker 04

  I gotta say, my, my biggest BG memory, I mean, there's a lot of them, but the one I really think about is the trash talking before the Giants game. I still think about that.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  All, all year, big Dexter Lawrence had been beating the crap out of centers and I'm getting ready to go, I gotta, I gotta be on my game right now. This is a big game for us, first playoff game of, uh, 2022.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  This dude has been killing people. I had already played him a couple of times, so I'd already used a lot of my tricks. So I'm like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to trick him this time.

• 45:54Travis Kelce?

  I gotta trick him into being tricked.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta outplay the trick. I gotta go, he's gonna think I'm doing this. I gotta go over here and do that. BG is just talking so much shit to this dude and I see Dexter up there and he's like, yeah, oh yeah? He's getting madder and madder. I'm like, god damn it, BG's making my job so much harder.

• 46:14Travis Kelce?

  No, BG's making the job easier, cause now he's gonna be aggressive and that's how you really trick somebody.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:20Travis Kelce?

  Real aggressive and then you can start pulling the chair and get them off their body.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  It was all good. It ended up, hey, it ended up being perfect. It was a great game for us. So everybody was playing good.

• 46:31Travis Kelce?

  BG, we gotta, we gotta talk more about the, the trash talking, man. We've, uh, we've shouted out your trash talking so much on this, on this show. Everyone in the league always put you up there in the top of the list in terms of being able to dish it and back it up. When did you start trash? Has it always been a part of your game? Has this just always been how you enjoy playing the game? Or did you like at some point say something to somebody and found out, oh, I could, I could change the way they play and the way they, they react to, to what's going on?

• 47:03Speaker 03

  I think me being trash talk, especially in Detroit, uh, cause people used to come for me because being a linebacker, I play linebacker and then when you start making a name for yourself, everybody want to come for you, you know, and gum for you. And so, uh, people used to talk stuff to me.

• 47:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Because I used to be a person that used to lead by example about how I do and not really talk about it. But then people started saying, man, I want to hear you, man. Like, you know, you leader of our team and they want to, and I used to be nervous on, like talking. I mean, I've grown to this where I talk a lot now, but it's like, at first it used to be just me doing my job and then when I get, when I get going, I can feel my ju, yeah, yeah, what you say? You know what I'm saying? Like all the stuff you talk to me, yeah, what you say? I don't hear you talking now, that type of stuff. But as I got to the league, it became more animated, more fun. Always try not to cuss because I felt like that's when the refs throw the flag. I try to have some little funny, but at the same time, you know, I'm serious.

• 47:59Speaker 04

  Man, I just knew, we would, we would go out there for, it'd be like hottest hill training camp. We're all tired of being out there.

• 48:06Travis Kelce?

  Does this happen in practice or what?

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Oh, bro, it never stops. We're going out there, we're going out there for like two minute drill or whatever and be like, yeah, fat boy, you know what's coming? You know what's coming, fat boy?

• 48:19Speaker 03

  I'd be like, man, what kind of snap, what kind of, uh, hard con was that? What is that? Hey, like, like Kelce do his little, that little? I'd be like, man, you ain't fooling nobody with that.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Oh, man, we had some fun, boy. I'm definitely one thing about it, man. I'm gonna miss that that time, them practices, especially because practices got a lot easier, man, because in the beginning, it used to be tough, man. Coach Reed, oh my goodness, training.

• 48:52Travis Kelce?

  Trying to get a little long drive drill in. Oh, you get me fired up.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  You about to get ready for that. We gotta see who tough on our team. First weekend when we get them pants, Coach Reed, boy, when we was up in Lehigh, he wanted to make, see who who was gonna quit and who was gonna be the people that, you know, was gonna be the people that we was gonna take for the team. And, man, we used to do nine on seven, right? Team run. Then you got, like you say, long drive drill in the end of practice. And it's like, boy, is you crazy, you know?

• 49:24Travis Kelce?

  He hasn't changed it one bit. He hasn't changed it one bit. It's still that exact. We always start off with team, one quick blitz, and then we're straight into nine on seven.

• 49:34Speaker 03

  Nine on seven, boy. I love it, man, because you really do see some stuff. Yeah, you might wear wear down a little bit, but it ain't two a days like how we was. Just imagine two a days, like how where we doing that one practice that you talking about, but then we gotta do it again. And it ain't no mercy. It wasn't like, he be like, okay, they had a rough, a rough, a rough one in the beginning. Let's get it. It's just like, no, next man up.

• 49:57Travis Kelce?

  Everybody had a rough one in the beginning. You about to have another one right here.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Let me ask you this. What is, is there an art form to trash talking?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  You do a little background.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  Little background?

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, you do a little background, like knowing, like I follow the page, I follow your page, see what you got up, see what you into, talk about some, get you off, get you off. I do, like, you know where I learned it from? I learned it from a little bit of, like, you know, just other players on, just like, man, look at their Instagram. You could tell, you could tell exactly what what kind of stuff they into. Talk with them. Like, you know what I'm saying? And so I started doing that later on in my career. When when social media, you know, just became more accessible like how it is now, where you can really just look on somebody page, you can kind of tell. Anything, anything. And so I started doing that more, but I didn't go like personal. Some stuff was just, I didn't want, like I told you, I didn't want nobody coming looking for me after the game.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  But, uh, like a guy like Donald Penn.

• 50:55Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  Like, yeah, I used to talk my stuff to him, especially like during that time where, uh, like that, like spicy chicken sauce, uh, stuff popped up. He made me, it made me think about him. Cause I remember, uh, he used to get in trouble like you. That's Popeyes, like, you know, and I was like, yeah, man, we about to whoop y'all. Cause I know you done had about a couple of, you know what I'm saying? That type of stuff.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Cause I knew that he, he was a guy that, that, uh, they had in his contract where if he, if he made sure he stayed underway, he can get an incentive on that. So when I found that out, oh man, I started messing around.

• 51:27Travis Kelce?

  That's hilarious.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Stuff like that. You know what I'm saying?

• 51:30Travis Kelce?

  Nothing, nothing like a good, uh, heavy joke.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Cause I, I mean, I know, I know every week was like, all right BG, come on, man. Where you at? Jump on the scale. Yes, I'm good today. Thank you.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  You know what I'm saying? That's what I am gonna be happy about, but I promise you, I'm gonna, I'm about to, hey, I bet you everybody have money on the, on the plus side of it. Like, nah, we gonna see BG gonna be slim, slim goodie when I get there.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna lie, just so you know BG.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 51:57Speaker 04

  Everybody thinks you're gonna turn into an overweight mess.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  The training camp every year, big.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  I know.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  To your, to your credit, you would lose weight.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  But, but we know you like them cookies BG.

• 52:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  We know you like them cookies.

• 52:11Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you got a cookie, you got a little cookie monster in you.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Oh, man, you know, I love just, just sweets, but let me tell you, I've been working out. As you can see, Kelce, I was in there with you today. I'm gonna make sure, I, I'm just trying to keep that routine because you right. I know, I know Fletch can't wait. Fletch over there, Fletch the ringleader of it, like, yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  BG gonna be this. I bet you, I put my money down. It's money down already, but you better get, I'm about to pick it right up.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  I might bet, uh, Fletch after this conversation.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  I've had so much more self-control, cause my wife, you know, she is killing it and she.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  She don't play. Carla ain't playing. Yeah.

• 52:49Travis Kelce?

  That's too funny.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  She don't play and she like, look, we about to have, we about to be in weddings. We about to do all this stuff and you out here, you better make sure that you right. I'm like, I got you, baby. And so.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  There we go.

• 53:00Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Accountability in the house.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  I need a accountability partner. And so she the one, she the one.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  She kinda reminds me of Vic Fangio a little bit. You know, she got a little bit of that Vic Fangio.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  I make sure, I make sure I, I really wanna make change if I tell her. If I tell her, cuz I don't want her on me, man, saying, "Ay, you said you was gonna do this. Why you over there doing that?" It's like, oh my goodness, like I can't have a snack? Well, you know.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  It says one, it says one, baby.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Alrighty, let's get to a game we're gonna play with you, BG. Did you sack him?

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Ooh, okay.

• 53:40Travis Kelce?

  Did you sack him? That's right, brought to you by American Express.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, you've played in over 200 NFL games and recorded over 82 career sacks.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  So we're gonna ask you today, did you sack him? We're gonna give you the quarterback's name and you tell us if you sacked him.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Let me see if I'm real good at this, let me see.

• 53:59Travis Kelce?

  See if you can remember.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  Alright, I'll start with an easy one, Tony Romo.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Sacked him.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  I can see a picture of mine right now, sacked him.

• 54:14Travis Kelce?

  Drew Brees?

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, I did, I sacked him, yep. It, it, I think it was a strip, strip sack too.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 54:22Travis Kelce?

  Okay, alright now, alright now.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Not many, not many times, but I did sack him though.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  Alright, Eli Manning?

• 54:29Speaker 03

  Man, let me see. I'm gonna go with yes.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  You had.

• 54:33Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, you've said it for so long.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Played him a bunch, alright.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  I did, mhm.

• 54:37Travis Kelce?

  Had to, Andrew Luck?

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 54:40Travis Kelce?

  Never got him?

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Never got him.

• 54:41Travis Kelce?

  Okay, okay, alright.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  DB got him, DB got him when, uh, when he played, when we was, it was a year 2018. Uh, last play, DB end up getting him, uh, of the game, but nah, I, I ain't get him. I didn't get him.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  Lamar Jackson?

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Yep, sacked him, I chased him down to the sideline, sacked him. I chased him down and then he ran out of bounds, he ran out of bounds, so you know, it was, uh, behind the line, sacked. So it was like, yes, yes.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  That counts, that counts.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  That counts.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  BG, that don't count, that don't count, that don't count.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  It's on the stat sheet, baby. Yeah.

• 55:18Travis Kelce?

  Then it counts.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  What was it like, what was it like chasing LaBar down?

• 55:24Speaker 03

  Man, that boy fast. And I mean, when I tell you, he is explosive and he stopped at the drop of a dime. Like you gotta really take your shot with him because if you, if you playing around like him and he just, he gonna take off on you. So I just took my shot and he went out of bounds and they caught a sack. That was a sack at the end of the game.

• 55:45Travis Kelce?

  You were the closest one to him?

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Closest one to him, boy.

• 55:48Travis Kelce?

  There you go. You're on a roll right now. You got all these rights so far.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  Aaron Rodgers.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Aaron Rodgers, that's a good one right there because I did not sack him, uh, at all.

• 55:57Travis Kelce?

  What?

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 55:58Travis Kelce?

  Are you sure?

• 55:59Speaker 03

  I, I don't know. I can't, I gotta remember. Let me see.

• 56:02Speaker 04

  We got him as the, you did sack him.

• 56:05Travis Kelce?

  Did he run out of bounds?

• 56:06Speaker 03

  How many, how many, uh, cause hold on. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I did sack him. Uh, 2017. Uh, yep, I did sack him. I sacked him. Okay. I think or 26th. I know we played him and I, I remember Nigel Bradham, Nigel Bradham, the year, the game that he caught the pick, uh, at the end of the game, uh, up there. Um, because we had a really good game.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  That was 2018.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  2018, yeah, 2018. Yeah, 2018. Yeah, Aaron. Cause Aaron wasn't, it wasn't often with Aaron either. Like, you know, like I, I couldn't get him.

• 56:37Travis Kelce?

  He gets a ball out quick. Yeah.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Man, that ball quick, you know, so he was another, he was one that, uh, I wanted to get.

• 56:44Travis Kelce?

  What about another all time great Peyton Manning?

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Peyton Manning? Uh, yes. I sacked him. I sacked him.

• 56:50Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you sure?

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Nah, you right. He threw it away. He threw it away.

• 56:57Travis Kelce?

  Did you get the sheriff or no?

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Nah, nah, I didn't get him. I didn't get him.

• 57:01Travis Kelce?

  We got you as, no, you didn't sack him.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  Nah, I didn't get him. I didn't get him.

• 57:04Travis Kelce?

  The sheriff had to have had some fun trash talking you back, man.

• 57:08Speaker 03

  He was one that I would talk to, but he just would look at me like, you know, be like, yeah, uh huh. You know what I'm saying? Like even like, uh, his brother, his brother was the same way.

• 57:17Travis Kelce?

  Eli.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  You know, Eli just kinda like, you know, do this little, and, and just kinda look and go back to the, to the huddle. But, uh, you know, who used to talk, talk stuff back to me? Phil Rivers.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  Phil Rivers.

• 57:28Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say Rivers.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  I've heard.

• 57:30Travis Kelce?

  He's up there.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  He was, uh, he was one boy that just hit you on your butt. Yeah. How about that? You know, hit you with a, uh, like, I just remember, remember him first down, hit me on my butt first down. Like, how about that one? You know, that. And it was like, okay, you, you hitting me, you touching me. Okay, bet, bet.

• 57:49Travis Kelce?

  Too funny.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Oh, that game, that Packers game was 2019. I bet 2019.

• 57:52Speaker 03

  Oh, 2019. Okay, okay.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Is there a quarterback you never sacked, but wish you did?

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Uh, let me go through this list real quick. Who did I didn't touch that I wanted to? I mean, of course, it would have been, it would have been cool to get a picture with Vic, you know, sack him, but I got practice, practice of, practice of pitchers and stuff like that. But it's so different, you know, when you in action. So Vic would have been one, uh, if he would have still been in Atlanta, uh, playing down there. But, um, I would, you know, just to say I had to got a sack on Vic. And then, um, I got one on Dak. I, I love all, I love getting sacks on, on Cowboys quarterbacks, especially at they place.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  At they place, it ain't nothing like getting a win in, uh, Jerry's World, boy. Cause when, uh, cause Jerry, Jerry has said one time, uh, that, uh, yeah, y'all drafted him high. Like he ain't, you know, he said something and I had it in my locker. Um, and I wish, I'm gonna get the words, uh, if I can, if I could find that article. And it just talked about me going high. I would have, I would have had him there if it was my pick or whatever. And so I was like, okay. And so I always, so I always, me being with the Eagles and, and yeah, I noted that. And that's why I kinda started building that, that, uh, not even, I wouldn't say hatred, but you know, that, that rivalry, uh, with the Cowboys.

• 59:12Travis Kelce?

  That excitement to play.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  That excitement, excitement to play, you know, with them. Mm-hmm.

• 59:17Travis Kelce?

  Who's the hardest QB to, you've ever had, like a chance to like tackle?

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Who's the hardest QB to bring down? Cam.

• 59:24Travis Kelce?

  Big Cam Newton.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Or, or Ben Roethlisberger, Ben Roethlisberger. Yeah, Ben Roethlisberger.

• 59:29Travis Kelce?

  He was a slippery big dude.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  He was slippery. Yeah, I gotta say Ben.

• 59:32Travis Kelce?

  He was a slippery big guy, man. That's too funny. Cam is a, I mean, he's a juggernaut. Man, the guy, he could have played any position on the field, let alone how great he was at QB, man. Getting that dude down, I remember watching the first, one of the first games of this, I might not even been the first game of the season, but when he was playing for Auburn, and how he was running around, I was like,

• 59:54Speaker 03

  I'm like, man.

• 59:55Travis Kelce?

  Is this?

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Stiff arms and all that stuff, man. It was just like.

• 59:59Travis Kelce?

  Running through, over, around everybody.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  His extension, his extension on just like, you know, his whole body, I ain't wanna, you know, say something, be like, people say pause, but you know, his length, I would say.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, big dude, man. And Ben though, Ben was slippery. So if I had to say my sacks against Ben, I never took him down. It was more like blew the end of the whistle, just blowing, cause you got him. You know, that, that type of sack.

• 1:00:26Travis Kelce?

  Trying to wrap him up, yep. Too funny, man.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Travis Kelce?

  And that was, Did You Sack Him? Brought to you by American Express. Pretty good, pretty, you were alright. You may, you got a little shaky there, but you did good. You did good.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  You nailed it.

• 1:00:39Travis Kelce?

  Nah, he might have, he was a little.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  I was a little, I was a little like, I couldn't remember.

• 1:00:43Travis Kelce?

  He didn't, Aaron Rodgers, he finally came around to it.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning too, Peyton Manning, yeah. I thought I got him.

• 1:00:49Travis Kelce?

  That was good though. That was pretty good. That was, it's hard. When you got eighty-two of those things, it's hard.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  I, I wanna, I wanna definitely get all of them on a, on a USB so I can go back to it and watch them. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a get Pat Dooley, I'm gonna do that for me. Make me a USB.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  I'm sure Pat's gonna be happy about that one. He'll be excited about it.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  I'll give him a shout out. I'm gonna give him a shout out. Uh, let him know when, uh, when he do it. Tell everybody, yeah, Pat did this for me.

• 1:01:13Travis Kelce?

  Gotta love it, man.

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• 1:02:13Speaker 03

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• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Now that Lane is alone of the core four that we've been nicknamed, I guess. Who does he miss most out of me, you and Fletcher Cox?

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  I gotta say Kels because Kels in his room and he know you, he know you on a deeper, on a deeper. Cause being in the room is so different, man.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  It makes it different.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  It makes a difference getting cussed out by your coach and how you respond to it is everything.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Well, then how about this, who does, who does he miss the least?

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Uh, if I had to say, he miss, he gonna miss, ooh, that's a good one right there.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  I'm gonna go with my boy Fletch because he mad at the world right now.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  Fletch mad at the world because that's Super Bowl, man. I told his butt to come on back. I thought he was though.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  I thought he was gonna come back.

• 1:03:00Travis Kelce?

  Who are you telling Jason?

• 1:03:02Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not mad at nothing. I'm happy. I didn't want to play in that game. I was done playing football.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  I know. I'm at this point now where I'm with you. I'm with you, Kelce. Like I'm getting to that point of like, man, it's over. It's over. It's cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it just.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  I have my time.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  I have my time and you know, the next thing is I got a week to get my locker cleaned up. Like that's what Greg just gave me a week before I'm moving into the next.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  That's because OTAs are starting and they need that locker.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, they need that locker. So it was sad today when I heard it. Uh, he so told me like, hey man, I'm giving you that week notice. I know you already been cleaning it out. But I'm gonna need it. I'm gonna ask Howie, you know, if it's like, um, if I can extend you a little bit. But if not, you know, you just got a week and I'm like, all right, bet, you know? And it kind of hit me like, dang, boy, I've been here 15. You know, now it's like, but I'm, I'm happy though. I'm so happy that it's over. The, the stresses of it is over. But yeah, go ahead. Keep your questions coming.

• 1:03:55Speaker 04

  Favorite Great Lake?

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna go Lake, Lake, uh, Lake Michigan.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:01Travis Kelce?

  Come on.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 1:04:02Travis Kelce?

  You grew up right there. Lake Erie.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I can say Lake Erie. You right, Lake Erie. But, but.

• 1:04:08Travis Kelce?

  Come on, man, that's what we share.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  When I went up to Lake Michigan, it was like, ooh.

• 1:04:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it's a little more beautiful.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Which one would I rather swim in? Yeah, I'm gonna go Lake Michigan.

• 1:04:17Travis Kelce?

  I'm gonna go Lake Michigan.

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  No, for real, that's the way you going there.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  I ain't swimming in Lake Erie.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. Or Lake Huron, Lake Huron, Huron is cool, too.

• 1:04:26Travis Kelce?

  Jason, you can ask this question, Jason.

• 1:04:28Speaker 04

  If you could detach any body part, what would you detach?

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Hmm, if I had to detach any body part, I would just say.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  You can put it back on, you can put it back on.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  You can take it off and on.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Probably one of my, like a foot or something like that, like, you know, just kind of take a foot off.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Take it off, what would you do with it?

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Put it up, uh, go to bed, you know, and then put it back on.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  Hey, that'd be like, oh, man, I'm taking my foot off, you know, to take, to go rest, and then when it's time to get back, you know, go put it, you know.

• 1:04:58Travis Kelce?

  You can separate it.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  You can separate it.

• 1:05:00Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Separate it, you know, where I can't get out the bed, baby. I took my foot off already, I took my foot off, baby.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  I can't go do it. I, I, I. My foot's up there on the, on the flyer place, I can't be getting up and doing something.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Let me go get my sleep, baby, I, I'll see you in the morning.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  I can't go fold, I can't go fold these clothes right now, my foot is over there.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good one right there, I wouldn't, um, I don't know, I mean, I wouldn't do nothing up here, cause this, this where you, you know, I feel like with that, but, um, if I'm chilling and I want to kind of have an excuse, I do something with my lower leg.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  All right, all right.

• 1:05:31Travis Kelce?

  Too funny, man. Now, now that you're retired, is Big Dom still on your, uh, favorite call, or your, uh, yeah, your call list, your favorites list?

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, Dom gonna always, uh, be there, because I gotta, um, I gotta make sure that anything that's going on in the city, you know, I want to know about, just so that I can know, know where not to go.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Cause, uh, Philly, Philly, uh, in the beginning of my career, uh, some, certain places that I just go eat, or just, like, I just want a certain cheese steaks. I'd be like, hey, Dom, is this cool to be over here? You say, yeah, you, you all right during the day, just don't be over there hanging around, say, all right, bet, you know, I'm gonna go get some food over there real quick, I'm gonna be in and out. I'm being and out. So yeah, Dom was always a good, uh, he always gonna be on the favorites.

• 1:06:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, talk about your time at Ann Arbor, man. I was actually at one of your spring ball practices as a, as a recruit.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:06:25Travis Kelce?

  And when I tell you that there was no chance I was ever getting a scholarship to go to Michigan, to play quarterback, I was actually in the QB room while guys like Chad Henny, Ryan Mallett, were going over spring ball practices. And man, it felt like every single play was double post to Mario Manningham. Crazy. I was like, I was just sitting there listening to the lingo. It was crazy being on those practices, man. The prestige and the history at Michigan, you could feel it as soon as you walked on campus.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah.

• 1:06:56Travis Kelce?

  And was that, was that like a huge part of you going to, going to Michigan?

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, I did love, uh, the traditions and I love the saying of those who stay will be champions. And it's like, you start here in the back, we are the rookies, we're freshmen start in the back. And if you make it down to the front, you know, you usually, uh, by the time you got there, you usually be a champion. And I didn't get that like, but I love that. I didn't get that. I didn't get that. But I made it all four years. But, um, you know, I had tip, I had Rich Rod for two years and I had, um, for, uh, Coach Carr, Coach Lloyd Carr for, uh, two years.

• 1:07:30Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  My first two were him and then, uh, with then Rich Rod came in. But my only two that I really felt like I could have got there as a champion was Coach Carr. Cause my first year, we was number two, Ohio State number one. And I think, yeah, we lost, uh, to them. Then we went to the Rose Bowl, lost to, um, John David Booty. That was the quarterback.

• 1:07:49Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  And we ended up losing both last two games, uh, the one in the championship to win, get our, get us a ring. And then, uh, we lost in the Rose Bowl, but that was a good experience. My first year, then the second year, we went 10 and 2. We didn't have a chance because they got the playoffs now, but we would have been in the playoffs that year. Uh, and that would have been cool to kind of go through this type of style that they had now. But those was the only chance that I had. But those who stay will be champions. That tradition that Michigan brought just from some of the guys that's been there. My dad was a big Michigan fan, so we used to go home every, every weekend, every Saturday, he'd cut my hair and then we'd watch the game. Then I'd go back home to my mom, stuff like that. So when, when they came calling, it was a no brainer after my junior year.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Uh, I committed right away and was just happy to have that. And then all these other teams started coming out of nowhere.

• 1:08:37Travis Kelce?

  That's cool, man.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Could the average person rush for a yard in the NFL?

• 1:08:41Travis Kelce?

  The average American weighs 199.8 pounds and is 5'9".

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  Well, let me tell you this, if they can take the hit, which I think they can't, you know, fumble. I mean, they can get one, they can get one, but you gotta.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Hey, you have a dang on Fred Warner come get you and take your head off. Then it's like, oh, okay, you gonna rethink it. Yeah, you can get a yard, but can you hold on to that ball when you get hit?

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:09:10Travis Kelce?

  That's a good point. We haven't heard that one yet. Aaron Donald has said that Jason is the lineman he hated playing against the most. Who's the least favorite lineman that you've ever lined up against?

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Terron Smith, man. That was a guy that even at this level, it was like, man. What I didn't like sometimes is he liked to swipe your hand down, like, you know, that swipe down when you bull. Cause I'm, I'm, I like to bull rush and catch him with the bull. And he used to swipe my hands down. I would fall to the ground. I used to call him all kind of names and like, man, that's soft, that's soft. You out here, you know, but he was a guy that I respect, man, because he always switched it up. When I did get two and a half, two against him, one game, it was so cool because, man, he was tearing me up. Uh, in the beginning of his prime a little bit and I'm just giving them some credit because we had some battles. But for the most part, that was a guy that I always was like, oh, man. Oh, you know, I gotta get ready. You know, you gotta get ready.

• 1:10:05Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, gotta get ready. I respect that one. What was your, uh, welcome to the NFL moment?

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  Woo, let me tell you, I know this one was coming, boy. That boy, uh, um, what's his name? Daniels, uh, D Tackle that was at the Packers, uh, what's his name? Uh, why can't I think his first name?

• 1:10:24Travis Kelce?

  Oh, uh, D lineman.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, I'm talking about, but we was on, remember what I was telling you on kickoff? I, I became the creator name. Um, I, I created a name for myself and we was playing the Packers and that year.

• 1:10:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Mike Daniels.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Mike Daniels, Mike Daniels.

• 1:10:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Mike Daniels. He, uh, he was on the wedge and so.

• 1:10:43Travis Kelce?

  These kids will never know what the wedge is. These guys will never, never know what it was like.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Never know. We kicked the ball off and Mike Daniels, like they told him, you know, he gonna be the guy that's blocking me or whatever. But I don't, I ain't care because I ain't think, think none of it. I'm running down. We kicked it left and they have a return right. So as I'm running right, he already went right, but he sizing me up. And this one, this one crackbacks was still going.

• 1:11:09Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. The old ambush block.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Ambush, the ambush. Boy, I turn, I'm looking at the back as I'm going this way. All I remember is just looking up because that boy that hit me that hard where I'm, my feet in the air. I'm gonna get that clip. I'm gonna get that clip, boy, because.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  I gotta find this clip.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  Oh, we gotta get that clip, man, because on kickoff return, it was back in 2013, 2014. One of them years where Chip Kelly, where I was playing special teams and we was playing the Packers. This one had Eddie Lacy too, because he was a, he was another one, man, that gave me a headache when I used to hit him when he was good, good.

• 1:11:42Travis Kelce?

  They do, man.

• 1:11:43Speaker 03

  You know, during that time when that boy was like moving. But man, Mike Daniels gave me that welcome to the NFL moment where it was like, yeah, that boy right there, I'll never. Like the next, next kickoff, I was down there looking like, where he at?

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Exactly. Put your head on a swivel.

• 1:11:58Speaker 03

  On a swivel this time. That was the first time I turned down a, a hit where I was like, man, I don't want to get hit like that no more. So that was that moment.

• 1:12:07Speaker 04

  That was your Mike Dugan?

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  Man, that was that moment.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  Should, should blindside blocks be illegal or should you still be allowed to do those?

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  I can't, I can't, like for me, I would always love it because that used to be my game too. I used to get, catch some people in college, I mean, high school, college. It's a great one when, when, when somebody ran them off and you catch them, oh man, sit your little butt down. But, but now, now that we can't do it and, and then somebody tried to catch you like that, I try to talk stuff about them. But for the most part, that was what I did too. So I would have to say, I, I would love for it to be back in the game. Because it brought like one of them, like them highlights for real.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  I just don't get, they say like it's a defensive, defensive player. What happened to have your head on a swivel? What are you talking about? You gotta defend yourself. I don't get this at all.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  That's the whole point of the league. It's like, man, like when you out there on that field, you better keep your head on a swivel because people was out there gunning while the play is going. You gotta keep your head on a swivel. So, yeah, man, I would love for it to be back. But, you know, we in this player safety league right now. So, hey, we gotta do it. We gotta do it. It's evolving. It's evolving.

• 1:13:13Travis Kelce?

  Hopefully it gets back to it, man.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  I got one more question for you. Which is your favorite Super Bowl?

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  Oh, 2017. 2017, easy.

• 1:13:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  Because of that, that, that play against Brady, man. Like I told you, it changed my life. It changed my, it changed my whole.

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  You sign that picture a bunch of it, huh?

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Man, I still don't, I still don't understand it. Cause everybody still be coming to these appearances. And I be like, man, how did I not meet this person? Man, I thought, I feel like I done met everybody in the world. But because it's like, man, that picture right there, man, it's nothing like it was. It changed my life. And then on top of that, uh, got my first one. That was my first championship that I was ever in at any level where, you know, I got a ring afterwards. And so it was like, man, it was cool to, uh, that me and Philly, we all was dying for a ring and a championship. And, uh, we got it that way. So 2017 would always be near and dear. But this one, man, was, was the one too.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  Cause man, that defense, I ain't never seen defensive style play that we did this week. I mean, uh, that, that week, uh, practice and it's translated to the game. So I'm, um, I'm, but I gotta go 2017.

• 1:14:24Speaker 04

  Awesome. Well, BG, I gotta say, uh, I can't thank you enough for coming on. I mean, this has been awesome.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  This was great.

• 1:14:32Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for the stories, man. That shit was amazing.

• 1:14:34Speaker 03

  Ah, this was good, man. I love watching y'all, boys.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  I'm sure I'll see you up at Nova Care. I better see you there because I'm gonna make a bet with Fletch about this weight loss thing.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  Let's go. I love it.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  Don't be eating them cookies, BG.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  I ain't gonna be eating them, you know, every periodically, man. They, they ain't gonna go nowhere because I got these kids. These kids be like, hey, dad, can we go get some ice cream? And you know, I want some too, so, yeah.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  But I ain't gonna do it often. I ain't gonna do it often.

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  There you go. Don't forget to check out BG's book.

• 1:14:59Travis Kelce?

  BG's ABCs, baby.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

  ABCs. Thank y'all.

• 1:15:03Travis Kelce?

  Gotta love it, man. Congrats on a hell of a career, man. I'll, I'll, I'll catch you up there in Philly or sometime soon on, on the links, man. We'll catch up.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  Okay. Nah, looking forward to it.

• 1:15:13Travis Kelce?

  Dude, Brandon Graham.

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  How about that one, baby?

• 1:15:17Travis Kelce?

  Ah, what a guy, man.

• 1:15:19Speaker 04

  Legend.

• 1:15:20Travis Kelce?

  Dude, this shit talking stories were fucking epic. Everything, the guy can tell the story too. I can't wait to see what his post NFL career looks like. I know he'll stay around the game and make sure he passes the wisdom and everything. He's just that kind of guy, man. And Philly, I don't even think they knew exactly what they were getting when they drafted him all the way back in, what is it, 2010?

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  10, 10. Cause I was 11, he was a year before me. Yeah, I mean, he ended up being an all time Eagle. I mean, he's obvious, I mean, literally the all time leader in games played. Yeah, can't ask for a better person. More importantly, I mean, great family man too. Coming out with a children's book. It's so like Fitz Brandon's, what he stands for, like just, he's a tremendous person. So couldn't be happier that he came on the show and looking forward to see what he gets up to next. Especially staying away from the cookies.

• 1:16:11Travis Kelce?

  It's hard, it's hard to stay away from the cookies.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  It is.

• 1:16:14Travis Kelce?

  All right now, before we get into some no dumb questions, I gotta make a little statement in the don't believe everything you read kids category or nice realm that you see online. Some false claims were thrown out there that I was doing something in the community that I was not. And I'm not even going to talk about it specifically. I don't want to bring any more attention to that whole nonsense and article and all that stuff. But if you ever want to know exactly what I'm doing in the community, just go to 87runny.org. We're always trying to get out there and get in the Kansas City communities and the Cleveland community. But you know, this time I wasn't doing what was falsely claimed by the social channels or the outlets posting all this AI stuff.

• 1:16:57Travis Kelce?

  So just wanted to set the record straight. Appreciate everybody for always trying to show love, especially Pat McAfee is always trying to look out for the guys in the sports, guys and women in the sports world. And yeah. Thanks you guys. All right, now let's get to some no dumb questions brought to you by perplexity. That's right. We spent so much time on this show looking up answers that were now sponsored by a search engine.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

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• 1:17:28Travis Kelce?

  How about that perplexity is gonna throw in the question. It'll hit you with the answer. Discover fast and reliable search with perplexity today. Hit me with that no dumb question.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  All right, here's, we got a voicemail coming in.

• 1:17:42Speaker 03

  What's up, fellows? My name is Noah. I'm a Lions fan, but I love the show.

• 1:17:47Travis Kelce?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Awesome.

• 1:17:50Speaker 03

  I'm 18, so I'm not a parent, but uh, I was gonna ask.

• 1:17:54Speaker 04

  18, so not a parent. What the fuck does that mean?

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  What would you, what advice would you give to a parent that wants to teach their kid? How to be better at golf? I'm just, I'm really, I'm really bad at golf, guys, and I, you know, I need help, so.

• 1:18:16Speaker 04

  So you're at, please. That was the weirdest way of asking us.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Have a good day. Go Lions.

• 1:18:23Speaker 04

  Such a weird way to ask us to help him with his golf game.

• 1:18:28Travis Kelce?

  What did the water boy ask Mr. Insano?

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  Hey, I'm Noah, I'm 18, so I'm not a parent. And I was like, fuck, where are we going with this?

• 1:18:37Travis Kelce?

  He just wants to let everybody know he's the child in this. He needs, he wants advice to tell his parents on what to do to make him a better golfer, it sounds like.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  From two football players.

• 1:18:47Travis Kelce?

  Well, I mean, consider myself an average golfer. Well, I would say first thing is probably the thing that you've already considered, and that's get lessons.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 1:18:58Travis Kelce?

  Nah, you're right. The rule of 10,000, bud, just pick up a stick and go hit that fucking thing, man.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  That legitimately is. My, my number one thing is just play a bunch of golf.

• 1:19:07Travis Kelce?

  Dude, just go out there. Every lie is gonna be different. You're gonna need to, you know, have a few extra balls in your pocket when you go and play golf the next time. Not so you can cheat, so you can take the same shot multiple times. That way you're. You're getting used to taking all the different random ass above your feet, below your feet, behind up, up a hill, down like the slopes and all the divots and all the different types of grass. There's so many different fucking shots. You're gonna be overwhelmed by it if you just jump into it. But um, it's gonna be, it's gonna be fun. I got a good friend right now that's actually uh, picking up the sticks for the first time, man.

• 1:19:46Travis Kelce?

  And Dimitri's, he was fucking hacking it. He was hacking it out.

• 1:19:54Speaker 04

  Get the fuck out of here. Oh man.

• 1:19:56Travis Kelce?

  But it was uh, it was funny to see him get into it. Every single shot, every, after every single hole, he's like, I don't, I mean, you just have so much more respect for like the pros. And I'm just like, bro, you are so far behind the wheel. In terms of like the fucking, what the pros are, where they started and all this, like dude, not even thinking that. You were gonna come out here and hit a shot like a pro. Like you gotta, your swing, you're such a fucking enormous human being. Either way, I'm getting off track.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:25Travis Kelce?

  The biggest thing is get out there, you just fucking hack. You just fucking, you figure out, you know, things and watch some, get on the Instagram, just start scrolling the reels, typing golf at the time, start scrolling reels, hear how people talk about golf. If you really wanna get good at it, just uh, engulf yourself in uh, the knowledge that uh,

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  Engulf yourself?

• 1:20:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  That's great. Oh, alright.

• 1:20:51Travis Kelce?

  Engulf yourself, engulf everything.

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. Now I think this is all good advice. I think the, the biggest thing is practice, right? Like now, if you just ask,

• 1:21:01Travis Kelce?

  Anything you do.

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, anything you wanna get better at, you just practice that. But not just practice, you, you put practice in with a purpose, right?

• 1:21:08Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, the P and P.

• 1:21:10Speaker 04

  Take this from me. Listen, I am the third to last place finisher at the American Century Classic last year. So take my advice.

• 1:21:18Travis Kelce?

  I think,

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  Take my advice. No, seriously. Practice mostly with the clubs you're gonna use the most. So what's, what club are you gonna use the most on, on the golf course?

• 1:21:28Travis Kelce?

  Driver.

• 1:21:29Speaker 04

  Putter. Putter more. If you don't three putt, you'll beat most people. If you get two putt every hole, you're gonna beat most people you play with. Next club, driver, right? Then your wedges, okay? Get really good at those three things and you're gonna be a decent golfer. You're gonna shoot a pretty good score. So go to a chipping green, get really good at chipping, up and downs, and then always two putting. Dude, you're gonna be golden bubba. You're gonna be sitting pretty.

• 1:21:58Travis Kelce?

  I can't wait. I haven't played golf with you in forever. I can't wait.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  I feel like we should do one more. We have a Notre Dame question on the New Heights Reddit page. From Tanya Dixon 212. What do you guys think about the change in the way the downs are going to be measured? Do you prefer the chain gang or the cameras measuring them? I really don't even understand this, to be honest with you. When they say the cameras are measuring them, how are the cameras measuring them?

• 1:22:27Travis Kelce?

  What are we talking about here?

• 1:22:28Speaker 04

  Basically, the chain gang is like a secondary measurement for first downs.

• 1:22:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's what, that's what they did last year, right?

• 1:22:38Speaker 04

  No, no, no. They, they incorporated a chip in the football last year during the preseason and they-

• 1:22:44Travis Kelce?

  That's what it was. It was preseason.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  But this isn't a chip in the football. This is, they're solely gonna try and use camera technology to determine first downs. But I don't really understand how that's different than when like, because obviously everybody's lumpy to the conclusion against the Bills game, right? Against you guys where it looked like Josh Allen was ahead of the first down, Mark. I'm just, all I'm saying is-

• 1:23:08Travis Kelce?

  I don't think it looked like it. I think you could only assume that where the ball was in his arm, that it may have gotten, but you couldn't tell exactly.

• 1:23:18Speaker 04

  Well, I'm think there's a lot of people that think you could tell.

• 1:23:21Travis Kelce?

  I think there's a lot of people that think you couldn't tell.

• 1:23:23Speaker 04

  All I'm saying is I think this rule is here by and large because of that play. But I don't know what, how this is different. Like they still looked at that play on replay. And saw where the ball went. So I'm just confused. I guess I don't really understand how they're measuring the first downs with the cameras and how when they replayed them upon challenges. I don't, I don't know.

• 1:23:50Travis Kelce?

  I think this is just a big Sony endorsement. I think it's just they, everybody's going to be talking about Sony Hawk Eye virtual measurement system. And this is just like a big like plug for Sony.

• 1:24:03Speaker 04

  God damn. You're right, aren't you?

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  Why else would they fucking give it a Sony Hawk Eye? It's not a conspiracy. You're a thousand percent right. I mean, it's not even a joke.

• 1:24:18Travis Kelce?

  This is how conspiracies work, ladies.

• 1:24:19Speaker 04

  No, it's not a conspiracy because there's no fucking chance it would be called the Sony Hawk Eye virtual measuring system. Like they just, the only reason that that is a thing is because Sony paid out the ass to have this as a fucking thing in the NFL. How could I not see this coming?

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  It's no, it's so true because they would have never put Sony in front of it.

• 1:24:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, well.

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  They don't say like, hey, all these cameras are brought to you by LG camera like system that fit. No, this is a hundred percent a fucking.

• 1:24:54Travis Kelce?

  I got them going.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  I can't believe this. I mean, I'm, I love the chain gang. I don't know why. I like that it's there. This super like way outdated version of measuring first downs. I'm against the Sony Hawk Eye virtual measuring system. Simply because it's called the Sony Hawk Eye measuring system. Like, don't fucking sell me Sony and your fucking measuring system. Just fucking say, hey, we got a virtual measuring system now. Oh, cool. I don't need it to be called the Sony Hawk Eye measuring system. What are you going to be selling fucking t-shirts? What the fuck are we naming it the Sony Hawk Eye measuring system for?

• 1:25:29Travis Kelce?

  It's the Sony Hawk Eye virtual measuring system, Jason. They probably created the technology. I digress. NFL, sorry if I blew your cover, but I'm also sorry to the chain gang guys, man. We'll miss you.

• 1:25:42Speaker 04

  Well, they're still going to be there. This is only, the chain gang is there as like a secondary option. I do want to know what this technology is because I'm still confused. Like, what is the Hawk Eye measuring system, virtual measuring system do exactly?

• 1:25:54Travis Kelce?

  Probably see through people. It's virtual. So it's like. We can like turn people into video games.

• 1:26:01Speaker 04

  It's expert flexibility. The system uses multiple high performance cameras up to ten positions strategically around the playing arena. These cameras capture the ball's movement in three different angles from different angles. Triangulation. It's a good word to use if you want to sell some shit to somebody.

• 1:26:18Speaker 04

  Sounds like something that they use in like every 90s or 80s movie, like action movie. We triangulate his coordinates to over it. Triangulation. The captured video feeds are processed using triangulation principles. It's fucking gibberish.

• 1:26:34Travis Kelce?

  They're telling it right now.

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  To create a 3D representation of the ball's trajectory. Data analysis.

• 1:26:44Speaker 04

  The system tracks the ball's position frame by frame, calculates its path and predicts its future trajectory based on predefined models of the play area and game rules. Predefined models, the playing area and game rules. Hawkeye generates graphical representations of the ball's movement, which can be displayed in real time for referees and players. So I just, I don't know what Hawkeye is doing that you can't just see by looking at the camera.

• 1:27:12Travis Kelce?

  It's turning it virtual, Jason. It's turning it into a video game so that they can determine where the ball actually is, AKA they can see through people's bodies.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Go up, go up to tennis, go up to tennis, go to, go up to tennis. So in tennis, they can see when the ball hits the line and whether it's in or out. So obviously we've all seen that technology used and it works phenomenally. It's a great, it's a great technology for tennis.

• 1:27:36Travis Kelce?

  They clap whenever it does.

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  But the Hawkeye isn't determining where the line is. Like the line to gain is established on the field in the moment. So they're going to get the line to gain from the very first set of downs.

• 1:27:52Travis Kelce?

  I think that's why they still need the chain game. They need the chains to be able to be on the sideline and that gives him, that gives them like the line.

• 1:28:00Speaker 04

  I just, I'm.

• 1:28:03Travis Kelce?

  Too much says that this is just a Sony plug.

• 1:28:09Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I read this, I'm just like, oh, this is gonna go to the cameras and a human's gonna look.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  This is, this is honestly what I think has happened. Okay. This is just an out for referees having to make this decision. That's what this, all this means is they now have a camera that is going to tell you if the ball reached the first down mark, the line or not. Okay. And that way, if the camera and the technology is wrong, nobody can fucking like, you're not going to dispute it. Nobody ever disputes the fucking Hawkeye thing in tennis. They're just like, yep, that was in, or nope, that was out. Hawkeye said it. And that's all we're getting with this. I don't know if this thing's gonna be accurate or not, but how the fuck do you refute it? You could, you could call it like, anybody can go up there and watch a replay and be like, oh, that guy isn't looking at the right thing. I'm looking at the same thing and that guy's full of shit. This looks like a first down.

• 1:28:59Speaker 04

  But now you're gonna be looking at it and the Hawkeye is gonna tell you it's not a first down. Well, guess they triangulated it and Hawkeye found.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  Sony would have lied to us.

• 1:29:12Travis Kelce?

  No, they would never. Ah, man, they triangulated it. That fucking got me. All right. That does it for No Dumb Questions, brought to you by Perplexity. Discover fast, reliable search with Perplexity today.

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:29:26Travis Kelce?

  All right, now let's get to a little March Madness challenge updates. Man, oh, man, what a final four in the men's bracket. And what a very, um, interesting women's bracket it ended up being. Now that it's over and UConn ran away with it.

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it wasn't, wasn't even close.

• 1:29:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Um, I know, uh, South Carolina had an unbelievable season. It's not fun, uh, losing the championship game like that. I can share, uh, a couple, um, similar feelings with them on that. Um, but, uh, the women's bracket, congrats to our winner, Matt Oliver. Hey, a tiebreaker by five points. That's right.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  Done, Matt.

• 1:30:07Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Matt. Yeah, men's bracket. We're still recording this before the final. So it's going to be one of two winners.

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  If Florida wins, congrats to Robert Unger. And if Houston wins, congrats to Dakota Black.

• 1:30:23Travis Kelce?

  How about it, huh?

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Dakota Black. Sounds like a, like a character in a movie.

• 1:30:28Travis Kelce?

  It does sound like it.

• 1:30:29Speaker 04

  That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you, Brandon Graham, for joining us. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube, the New Heights channel, and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:30:49Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Waves Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us. That's right. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S and

• 1:31:01Travis Kelce?

  follow along for all the fun clips that we have from this week's episode. Thank you to our production and crew for putting those clips together and making us look way better than where we are. And to the 92 percenters, we love you guys. We'll see you guys next week.

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  Oh, there it is. Check out that fireman photo.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Hey, that, that's on the fire truck?

• 1:31:30Speaker 04

  That's on the back of the fire truck.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  And I think, I think that's the game I tore my ACL. I really do. I think that was the Baltimore Ravens game.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  Wow. Hey, Kelce, man, you gotta get that look back, man. That looked clean right there, boy.

• 1:31:43Travis Kelce?

  That's hilarious. I don't know if Kylie, I don't know if Kylie's pulling for that one.

• 1:31:47Speaker 03

  That's a good beach view right there. That's a good beach picture right there, boy.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Got the sunglasses on. It looked like it's probably September.

• 1:31:56Travis Kelce?

  Maine right there.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  Looked like it's September training camp.

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  Was not good.

• 1:32:03Travis Kelce?

  Funny as hell.