#2492 - Ari Shaffir

Ari Shaffir is a comedian, writer, and host of “You Be Trippin’.” His seven-episode live storytelling series, “The End,” is available now from YMH Studios.https://theend.ymhstudios.comwww.youtube.com/@youbetrippinpodwww.youtube.com/@arishaffirwww.arishaffir.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Joe Rogan?

  Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast my night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  You know what you are on my phone?

• 0:14Speaker 02

  What?

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Ari the Wanderer.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  That's a new phone number.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  That's not bad.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  That's a new number, because that's what you are. I was telling you last night that I thought it was in Mexico City, but we had a report that you were at an Oasis concert in Mexico City, and you said, no, it was in Rio.

• 0:30Speaker 02

  Sao Paulo.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Sao Paulo, okay, so it was in Brazil. So, no one knew where you were. You were gone for how many months, six?

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Seven.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 0:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  How many times have you done that now?

• 0:44Speaker 02

  I guess three, although when I went to Ecuador, I was very much in touch with everybody. So, it was like...

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  That was a halfway.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  That was halfway.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  But you were there, you were kind of checked out, but you were in touch.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  But I was in touch, I still had numbers, I was still like doing like podcasts and stuff, and...

• 1:00Joe Rogan?

  Were you doing them remotely?

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Doing remotely, yeah. I would do one with Big Jay and Soder, we did a 21 Jump Street Breakdown Podcast.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  We were so bored during the pandemic, we were like, let's find a show, and just let's get together.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  And watch 21 Jump Street?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Firstly, chose Sex and the City, and then I found out gay fucking Ian already had a Sex and the City Podcast.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  Ian Faidance?

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  Did he really?

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Dude, that guy blows dudes. Obviously, he loves Sex and the City.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, I guess so.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  So, we're like, we don't want to step on his toes, like, let's pick another...

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  He seems like he's straight sometimes.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  He does.

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. Like, is he only gay?

• 1:39Speaker 02

  No, no, he fucks. He fucks better than we ever did, for women.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  Women?

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  He gets it.

• 1:46Joe Rogan?

  So, and then, but then he went to guys?

• 1:48Speaker 02

  He's a new breed, he's a new breed of just like...

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  When did he go to guys? Is that a new thing?

• 1:53Speaker 02

  I think he battled with it for a while.

• 1:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. So he was fucking girls, but hating them? God, I wish you were a guy. Like, that kind of a deal?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Then he went to glory holes and he was saying he wasn't gay. I'm like, bro, that's one of the biggest signs of a gay.

• 2:07Joe Rogan?

  So you just stick your hole, your dick in the hole? Or you suck the dick that comes out of the hole? Like, was he the glory giver or the glory taker?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  You're asking me questions I don't know. I always assumed in my head it was he was sucking dudes off. But I'm actually not sure.

• 2:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, interesting, right?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  It's interesting.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because if the dick comes through the hole, if you're like, you ever wanted to suck a dick, but I don't want to look a guy in the eyes? I just want to know what it's like, see if I'm good at it.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't want to be embarrassed in front of anybody. They're gonna recognize me later. I just want to work on my technique.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just want to find out if I'm right.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I need more research, not enough data points.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because, so you didn't even ask him which side of the glory hole he was on?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I think I was so overwhelmed by this heterosexual dude who was telling me he was the glory holes.

• 2:54Joe Rogan?

  And so then he was heterosexual? This is back in the day?

• 2:57Speaker 02

  We did a podcast, my old podcast, on the way down to like, somewhere.

• 3:02Joe Rogan?

  This is Skeptic Tank?

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and he was telling me that, but he was telling me he's not gay. And I was like, how do I say that? Wait. And I was like, buddy, I think you are gay. He goes, why? I'm like, the glory hole stuff. It's a big sign. And he goes, wow, do you think? I was like.

• 3:22Joe Rogan?

  Do you think?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  I was like.

• 3:23Joe Rogan?

  But you didn't even, that's the crazy thing is you didn't even ask whether he sucks or gets sucked.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  I was lost in it. You're right. As an interviewer, I didn't do my job that day. Obviously, that's a major question. It's a one in two chance.

• 3:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right? How did you not know?

• 3:34Speaker 02

  How do I, yeah.

• 3:35Joe Rogan?

  It's like very important to know.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  It is, because there is a percentage chance it might be a chick blowing you. There's no percentage chance.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  There's zero percent chance it's a chick blowing you.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Is a vagina.

• 3:47Joe Rogan?

  Zero percent chance. It's 100% a guy or a guy pretending to be a chick.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  I bet there's a ton of those dudes who have wives, you know, who live in that world. Like, I always thought it was a woman. Like, shut up.

• 3:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Shut up.

• 3:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Plausible deniability.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  Plausible deniability.

• 4:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So then he just decided to just go straight gay?

• 4:08Speaker 02

  No, he's everywhere. He does everything.

• 4:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, now he's bisexual.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we did this 21 Jump Street podcast. And, uh, and I would do it sometimes. I'd get on, they're like, are you drinking a coconut with a palm tree behind you? Like, out of a coconut. I was like, oh, it's just a Tuesday, guys. What's going on?

• 4:22Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  I'd really milk it.

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're in Ecuador.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Cause I was in Ecuador. I was having a good time.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  What is that, that gay tea you drink?

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Mate. Shur- shurba.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  So you just got into this, it's literally a jar of hay.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  It really is.

• 4:39Joe Rogan?

  You pour hot water and there's so much hay in there.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  It's so much. It tastes, you tried it?

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it tastes like just.

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  Like hay.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Kind of ass. Yeah, just hay.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  It's like a ritual. It's all the gauchos in Argentina and then spread to Chile and southern.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  And so it's just a bunch of leaves that are in it?

• 4:57Speaker 02

  The yurba tree.

• 4:58Joe Rogan?

  Yurba mate, right?

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that, that drink is like different.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  I've had that stuff.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  I think it's different.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's about as much as like what Willie Nelson's like drink is actually weed.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Willie Nelson's drink is weed?

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Really?

• 5:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  I take it back then.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. I don't know what the legality of that is. I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but Ron White brought a bunch of it. To the mothership and it's very legit. Yeah. It is, it's all dose dependent. I think one glass is like five milligrams. Or one shot is like five milligrams, but if you drink a glass of that shit.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  You're going for it.

• 5:39Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna go into that weird dimension. You know that weird dimension where you're like, I think this is earth, but it doesn't seem like earth anymore?

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Thumbs off.

• 5:49Joe Rogan?

  It's like a facsimile of earth.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Trying to look at people like you see what I'm seeing?

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I remember one time, um, I was doing Fear Factor and we were in San Francisco and, uh, back, this is the unregulated edibles days, you know, cause this is before marijuana was legal.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Do your joke.

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  But you could get a prescription.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Do your joke. Can I do your joke?

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Which one?

• 6:08Speaker 02

  The X.

• 6:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  I'll do it. You'll be embarrassed. This is early days. And by the way, it was just like, there's banana bread, uh, going around. Now it's killing people. It's great. Not killing people, but like destroying people.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  He goes, "They came in these doses, 1X, 2X, or 3X." The problem is, X didn't equal any number.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  So it was just some guy mixing up his bathtub full of fucking whatever, like weed infused cookie dough, and deciding what's X to him. That's not a mathematical equation.

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, X had no number value.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  So it's 1 times this. What's this, right?

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I had the joke too about the gummy bear. The guy literally said that to me. I go, "How much should I take?" He goes, "Just a leg."

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Those gummies are mine.

• 6:51Joe Rogan?

  I go, "Just the leg?" I go, "Why the fuck are you selling whole bears if I should only eat a leg? Because it's only that big. Like, no one's into eat just the leg."

• 7:00Speaker 02

  It's a crazy dose. Half a cookie is the right... That's not... All cookie is a dose.

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• 10:20Joe Rogan?

  Is it the Bart that goes under the water? That goes under the bay between Oakland and San Francisco?

• 10:26Speaker 02

  The Bart? Yeah.

• 10:28Joe Rogan?

  Bart, whatever it is?

• 10:29Speaker 02

  No, I call it The Bart just to fuck with him.

• 10:30Joe Rogan?

  Um, so I, I took this edible, and it was an unregulated edible, so I have no idea. And it was way too strong. And I was, I was like, why do my ears feel weird? And they're like, because you're under the ocean. And I was like, no. It was like the longest 20 minutes of my life waiting to pop out on the other side. Where I was like, we're under this, how long has this fucking subway been under the ocean? Like, how long has this existed? Like, what are the odds this thing is still good? Is anybody out there diving, checking on the tube, making sure there's no holes in it? You know, in this fucking.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  You started doing all the research in your head.

• 11:07Joe Rogan?

  And it was like, I, I felt like I was talking to people, but what I was seeing was a two dimensional, like, uh, you know, like those, uh, stand ins, like when you go to the movie and it's like, you know, a person standing there like thumbs up, but it's like just a two dimensional cardboard cutout. That's what everybody looked like to me. It was like a two dimensional cardboard cutout, but occasionally I'd see their soul peeking around their shoulder. Looking at me. It was so heavy. I don't know what the number was.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  Don't you miss?

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  How many X's?

• 11:38Speaker 02

  That kind of high? I don't get that kind of high or drunk anymore.

• 11:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, that kind of high is really fun.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  It's so fun.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  After it's over.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  When you look back?

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  When it's happening, it's terrifying.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Oh, those are the best.

• 11:51Joe Rogan?

  I remember a guy I did jujitsu with, he made pills. He made THC pills. Cause he was like one of those all day guys. He was just high constantly all the time.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Dab.

• 12:01Joe Rogan?

  And so, yeah, the dab guys, but this is pre dab.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:04Joe Rogan?

  And so this guy made pills, THC pills. I, I go, how many should you take? And he, and he goes, you should probably start off with one, but I take two. So I took two, cause I'm an asshole. And, uh, I wound up having this conversation with this guy, uh, and he was weirding me out. It was at a jujitsu tournament. I was like, why is this guy so weird? Turns out the dude, uh, eventually got arrested for rape. And not just arrested for rape, but he was on the run.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 12:32Joe Rogan?

  And he was on the run and couldn't stop doing jujitsu. And the way they caught him was he went to like Seattle or somewhere. Like, cause this was in California.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  He'd sign up for classes?

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  And he was just rolling, but he was killing everybody. And I was like, who is this fucking guy? Like, why is this guy so good? And then eventually they realized it was him. They go, oh my God, this guy's wanted for rape.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  He was a crazy person. And when I was like super high on these pills, I could see all the crazy in his eyes. Like it's like, he didn't say anything crazy.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Dude, you can, when you're on drugs, you can see through people.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  You can, you can, you can see their soul.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  It's fu- it's, it's interesting.

• 13:10Joe Rogan?

  It is interesting.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  You really can see it. It's not one of those where I'm like, no, it was just a drug fuck with me. You. Can sell.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  And so this was like a year or so later, he gets arrested and winds up fleeing. I think he maybe was out on bail or he was wanted and fleed and went to the Pacific Northwest. But I remember when I heard the story, I was like, oh, that makes sense. Cause he had the weirdest energy, just like this dark energy, like creepy, dark energy.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Sometimes if you're on like a psychedelic and then someone's not on with you, you know, but they're around you. You're like, hey, you gotta go. You're freaking me out. Like, I don't know. Your energy's not of this. It's, I don't know if you're looking at me, but like you gotta take off.

• 13:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you see like motivations. You see.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  You see everything so clearly.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  I know. It's weird, but it's not reliable. It's not like, like I'm about to go into a, a, a meeting with this defendant. I need to know if he's actually innocent or guilty. So I'm gonna take five grams of mushrooms.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Me and Big Jay were leaving a Blues Fest in Ottawa once. We're leaving, it's like a city festival, but then you wander into the, what used to be the safest city in Canada. So you're all fucked up. It's great. And as you're leaving, you just see who's on what drug. Like you just can tell like mushrooms, acid, weed, drunk.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Molly.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Molly. Yeah. You just see it all. You just see through everybody. They're just sitting there talking.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't.

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what's gonna happen now that this, uh, thing happened at the White House.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  First of all, I thought, you know, I'm not on the news, so I'm hearing stuff little by little about everything.

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  I thought it was just ibogaine, which is like, great. Those people need that. And then, and then, I mean, Ed Clay has been telling me about that for so long.

• 14:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, Ed Clay, I talked about him on the podcast, cause he was one of the ways that I found out about it.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  In Nashville?

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  It's like, you should get on it. It helps with addiction. I'm like, I'm loving what I'm doing right now. I don't.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  Fuck up my high.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  But like, uh, I'm like, this makes sense. And then a find, great. You got that. And then I find out it's also. I mean, the best hippie flip. You got that MDMA and boomers and shrooms.

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  And psilocybin, yeah. Well, it's because MDMA and psilocybin, MAPS was already doing MDMA studies with veterans. So for people that, you know, watch a bunch of people get blown up and lost their friends and come back, MDMA was one of the best therapies.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  For helping them overcome PTSD. So MAPS had already pushed that through and Johns Hopkins had already done these studies with psilocybin. So they already pushed these things and they were already on the way to getting approval through the FDA, but the problem was nobody wants to stick their neck out and sign off on it.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  It's a problem with politics, if you're running, we talked about this, if you're running for an office and the opponent can say he wants drugs legalized, then you're fucked. So it's like it really binds your hands.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, that's funny because that's kind of what Dan Patrick did in Texas about marijuana. But to his credit, Dan Patrick met with Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard, the guys that passed this Texas Ibegane Initiative, and they convinced him of what this stuff actually is. And so they've donated, so he's allocated rather a hundred million dollars in Texas for the Ibegane Initiative, which is amazing. So he, but that's a sign of an intelligent man. Like this Dan Patrick guy had this stance on weed. There's like weed's bad, it's ruining everything. And then they come to him, he's like, I am staunchly opposed to this. And they sit, they sit down with him, he explains, Brian Hubbard explains, and he's very eloquent, explained what Ibegane does, it's not recreational at all.

• 16:50Joe Rogan?

  And he hears it and he hears how much it'll help particularly veterans that come back that are addicted to opiates and they're all fucked up. And even CTE, even like brain injuries from getting blown up. It's neuroregenerative somehow. It's a crazy plant. And so he, to his credit, he signed off and they allocated a hundred million dollars for the Texas Ibegane Initiative, which is amazing.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 17:14Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, all these people have these ideas in their head, but it's all because of Nixon. All of it goes back to the Nixon administration.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  This is evil, this is, you'll get stuck that way, kinda stuff.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  I think, I think some people do.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  This is what's important about these studies, yes. This is what's important about these studies, like, and I think this is important about weed, too. You know, I'm very adamant that it's not for everybody. I think there's a lot of things.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  So strong.

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  Some of it's so strong, and some people are already on the way to schizo. They're already on the way. There's schizophrenia in their family, there's like, they just, that's not a good thing for them.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  Well, what's making a comeback luckily is like, Mexican weed. Is like the twelve, twelve percent THC, where it's like, I just wanna get high, dude.

• 17:58Joe Rogan?

  The old days.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  I'm trying to bury myself in this movie again.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna go to Pluto.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, is there anything, is there, what's the shot?

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  I wanna be in the clouds right above the city, that's it.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  What's the shot in a beer of weed? I want that.

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  That's it, right.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  Right. I don't wanna fucking dab. I see these dabbers, oh, these.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  I asked for mids in a dispensary once, and they're like, what are you, what? Mids? What's, what is that?

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Mids?

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  They're all so hardcore.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  I, I remember the early days, it was like Zen Dispensary, one of the early ones, and I was like, just getting into it. Atari hooked me up, remember that guy, with like weed? And it was like, it's like, okay, so now I'm into it, and I went to Zen, and I was like, hey, listen, I, I like to smoke cigarettes while I write. I'm off cigarettes now, but it's a habit. So I need something, but if I smoke a joint, I'm done writing.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  And that's what he's like, oh, you want Mexican weed? We can do that for you.

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh, just something calm, this is mild, this is mild. Yeah. It's like going to a powerlifting gym and saying, do you guys have yoga classes?

• 18:56Speaker 02

  It feels so wrong to say.

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  Fuck outta here.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Get the fuck outta here! Got the fuck outta here to get checked!

• 19:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  They did that in Ecuador, there was a city I was in when I did ayahuasca, and it was a guy from the tourism board. And he said, what's gonna, there's three cities that are like, on the border to the Amazon. And, and, you know, you can go in from any one of them, and they go, what's gonna separate our city from all these other Amazonian cities? And they go, let's be the ayahuasca city.

• 19:21Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  And everyone else on the tourism board said, no. We are not getting a bunch of fucking hippie backpackers in here to be drug addicts in our town. Like, that's not what we're looking for at all, here. I think sucks. Yeah, it did, you just filled it up. I'm not. There's a lever on it, too, I don't know.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  And he goes, okay, fair. But he goes, can I take you on an ayahuasca trip? Each member, and each member was like, you know, they're half indigenous. They're like, sure.

• 19:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  And then one by one, they all go, oh, this isn't an addictive thing.

• 19:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  So I had the wrong idea in my head of what this was. You come once, you don't come back for a year.

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody had that thing from the Nixon administration. It's the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. And that thing, that's, it's really nuts, but for 56 years, we've been living underneath that.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  It just, it becomes a given.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  You don't think to reevaluate any knowledge that's in there already.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  I know, and it's like so many people, just a little microdose of shrooms, it'll change your fucking life. It would, it would help so many people. There's so many people that are stressed out for no fucking reason.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  It really does give you such a reset.

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  And Molly too, or I know, that's why I talked to you, the MDMA, the MAFS people were always like, please, start calling it MDMA. When you call it Molly, it becomes a party drug. I'm like, well, I do it at parties, so that's what it is for me.

• 20:40Joe Rogan?

  The problem with what they're saying by saying that is like, no, because it is a party drug too. It's also, it's just like, what are we gonna call whiskey? We're gonna call it, you know, alcohol by volume? Are you gonna have a technical term for what whiskey is? Fuck off, it's whiskey. You know what I mean? Like, that's why people like it.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Like, you call it that if you want.

• 21:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you do whatever you want, I'm gonna call it Molly. Fuck off.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Fuck off.

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• 22:08Joe Rogan?

  Fuck off with all your rules.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  That's a good ringtone.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  But it's because they've spent so much money and so much time and so much effort trying to get this stuff passed through.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  It would be so huge if you could just go get some mushrooms.

• 22:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it'd be so huge. And why can't you if you can go to Costco and just buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself to death?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  It also, so like in Edinburgh, they have a season for it and you can go through the meadows or any of these fields and just like pick mushrooms.

• 22:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  But if it's on your shoe, it's fine. And if it comes off your shoe, then it's illegal.

• 22:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  It, but it's just like growing there.

• 22:47Joe Rogan?

  You know where Duncan used to live in Asheville?

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 22:49Joe Rogan?

  They started giving the cows like a certain type of feed that had antifungal properties to it.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  So that they wouldn't grow. So who knows what it did to the cow's gut?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 23:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, it ruined the cows. Just because so many kids were picking mushrooms off of the cow shit. Hey, we're gonna put a stop to this.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  In Thailand, it's the elephant shit. And they, and the guys who ran the elephant, like abusive centers, whatever, so you could ride them and make them play harmonica. The stuff that's natural in the wild. Oh no, oh no, guys, elephants love painting you a picture.

• 23:21Joe Rogan?

  We, we rode them when we were in Thailand.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  It's okay. Then I went back my second time and they were, everyone in the hostel was doing that. And then I was like, no, I already did it. And they go, humane or non-human? I'm like, oh, definitely the humane one. They're like, did you ride them? That's inhumane. I'm like, oh, yeah, inhumane then.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, the elephants wanted you to ride them. They don't mind. Like, cause you weigh nothing and you feed them first and you make, you give them an offering. Right? So you, first of all, you wash them and you feed them. So you feed them, like you give them sugar cane. And you, you have to develop a relationship with the elephant before you ride it. Like, these people were all, they were all free range elephants. They're all rescue elephants. So the elephants would come in out of the jungle. They weren't in cages.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. It was wild.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  And they let you?

• 24:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Get a saddle on them?

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. Well, you don't, it's barely a saddle. You just kind of climb on to them. And there's like a thing that you hold on to. And they're totally cool with it. And then at the end, you go. To this like pond and you wash them. And so it's like they could kill you anytime they want to, you know? So it's like it's a relationship and it's not they're not prisoners and they're not abused at all. The people that are running this, the place that I went to. But even then I did a video with it and I said, you know, you could ride them. I go, I rode them. I don't recommend it. I don't think you should do it. I would never do it again. I would never ride them again because it just feels fucked up. I'd rather just feed them and pet them and say, you're nice. But also. Go through the jungle.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also like you rode them.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  I did.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  So like if you hadn't rode them, you'd be like, I've never ridden an elephant.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't have done it at all if my family didn't want to do it. They wanted to do it. So I said, okay, let's go. And they enjoyed it. It was a good experience, you know, the kids are they're little and we're taking them through Thailand and yeah, it's wild.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  I wonder sometimes if these kids, I was talking to Tommy about it. Like if they'll know later in life. How cool their experience was like it'll be till like the thirty five or forty, they're like, oh, yeah, I had a great time. I didn't understand the coolest things I did.

• 25:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think my kids are pretty aware of it. But.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Anyway, they had these these hippies would go over the encampment and pick out mushrooms from elephant patties. And then eventually the people, the herders were like, why do these fucking dreadlock people keep coming in? At night and like sniffing around our shit. And then they realized what it was and they go, oh, no, no, no, we'll sell this.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so they sell it. Is it illegal in Thailand? Like, what is the legality of?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Now I don't know because I think they just legalized weed in Thailand.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Did they really?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it back back then, when it was illegal. There were bars that sold you joints and those are the bars that paid the cops. And so for all intents and purposes, you're fine.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I would not fuck around with drugs in another country.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Lame.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me. That's me. Super lame.

• 26:09Joe Rogan?

  I mean, talk to Brittany Griner. How'd that work out?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Not good.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  Do you think when she was in jail, the guards would fuck with her and show videos of her missing? Like, how come you miss? How come you miss this shot?

• 26:22Speaker 02

  For trying to do breakdowns?

• 26:23Joe Rogan?

  You eat too much pussy? You smoke too much weed? You miss this shot? She was in jail for a long fucking time.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  She was in jail for a while.

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  I think she was in jail for like, wasn't it like six months or something like that?

• 26:34Speaker 02

  I knew someone who worked at the, um, the agency she was at. The sports management agency.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Every day, they started with 15 minutes of like, hey, before we get into anyone else's business, how are we getting her out?

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  10 months. Almost a fucking year in jail in Russia. That's crazy for a vape cartridge.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Nine years in a penal colony. That was a fun one because they just told America, like, hey, guys, keep quiet. We can get her out. She's a nothing asset. Just everyone be quiet. And the liberal, angry, you know, housewives like, no, I want to say something. And they all just kept talking. Eventually, like Russia's like, oh, is this an important one?

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 27:11Speaker 02

  Oh, we'll keep her in.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that what happened?

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. I think it was Biden was like, just shut up. We'll get her out, just shut up. And they made it into a bigger thing.

• 27:18Joe Rogan?

  So that they could get the merchant of death released.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  We are the worst at handling. Americans are so bad at handling things they don't know how to handle. They just rush in full bore going, I know how to fix it with no knowledge of it.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, once a story gets out in any form, influencers cannot help talk about it.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  They can't help it.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  It's their currency. There's no way they're not going to talk about it.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Same as all the late night guys. They knew after Trump won, that like, talking about him helps him. Before, we said we're trying to take him down, but now we've seen the research. We know it's helping him. I'm still gonna do it because it's my money.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They can't help it. They can't help it. Yeah. I mean, that's like CNN's, most of their ratings were talking shit about Trump. Like, every time he did something outrageous, they would, they would talk shit about him and they would have him on. And it just made him more and more popular. Because I don't think they understood how much America's, Americans despise them. You know, they thought, we're CNN. We are the news. We're CNN. And then because the fact that Trump was opposed to them and they were, they just kept showing him. They're like, oh, he must be good because you guys suck.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Right. You ever hear the theory that terrorism and the US are symbiotic?

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  What's the theory? How's it work?

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Terrorism can't exist without the US dominating their countries.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  And the US, they can't keep funneling money to weapons without terrorists.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, US and Israel. I mean, that's the thing with Hamas and Netanyahu. He famously said, they were funding Hamas.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  We need them.

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  We, we, we, when we fund Hamas, we can control the height of the flame.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Or 9/11, like, it popped off a little high, but there was like, we need something to be like, hey, we're all against that.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  And then that, those countries were like, look, they're all against us. So they're just like, they need each other to keep growing.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, it makes sense. And also, you need an enemy in order to get higher military contracts, higher budgets. I mean, if you don't have terrorism, how can you justify a trillion dollar military budget?

• 29:21Speaker 02

  So you need to like, say, hey, they're a real threat. Like, that's a 30% group.

• 29:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  They're not coming for us, but like, we gotta take them down. Look at the training they're doing.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  You ever seen Shane's bit?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Monkey bars, they're all monkey bars doing their training.

• 29:35Joe Rogan?

  I love that bit. I love that bit about how bad they are at jumping jacks.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  That's what fat people do to get in shape, and the biggest loser.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And they're stuck over there. Like, shut up.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  They're not going over there. It's, and then I always wondered why we left behind all the shit. Like, cynically, I'm like, do we leave that stuff behind so that they could use it?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  The older I get, the less I think there's accidents. There's ineptitude for sure, but there's also like, we've done the research, we know.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  At some point, you know, there's bad moves you make here or there, but...

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  I mean, we left behind tanks and Blackhawk helicopters. Like, what, we couldn't get those out? We had to leave right now? We were there for 20 years. Also, we gotta get out right away?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  You don't want to put a grenade in each one first before you go? Like, what, what do you mean? And also, those are still good? Yeah, we didn't get out like Vietnam.

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  Park them in a field and drop a fucking bomb on it. Yeah, you don't have to leave it there for the enemy.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  It's, it's...

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  For the Taliban, so they can keep the people under their thumb forever.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you retreated last second, I could see it, but it wasn't that. And then you're like...

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  They didn't have to leave when they, the way they left was insane. When you see those, those ships that are, the planes that are flying away and people are hanging on to the wheels of the plane and falling off because they don't want to be left behind.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Because I know.

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  There's so many people that work with the Americans.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  You said you'd protect us over and over again. And then you're like, yeah, we've done this over and over again. We'll just say it.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  It says that we, it was equipment we gave to the Afghan state. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't US equipment any longer.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  And it's already given over to them?

• 31:11Joe Rogan?

  We gave it to the Afghan state, but not the Taliban. The National Defense and Security Forces, right? And then it, there was not that many of them. And so the moment that we left, the Taliban just took everything.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  There's also like, what is the Taliban? We have this word on it. It's like an evil word, but are they just like the government in a lot of these places? Like the cartels in, in Colombia, they like build schools, they do bad shit, but they also are the government. They make sure the businesses run okay. And so you have this idea cartel, it sounds like that, but it's like, it's more than that. I wonder how much the Taliban is all, actually into terrorism and how much is like just running day to day stuff.

• 31:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a good point because in America, I mean, what are the pharmaceutical drug companies? I mean, how many people, we, we talked about this the other day. It's like 70,000 people died of opioid overdoses in America in 2024. 70,000.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  70,000.

• 32:05Joe Rogan?

  70,000. So like, and a lot of that is probably cartel fentanyl, but a lot of it is like flat out old school oxycodone. So it's like, what are they? What are they and how much are they donating to political campaigns?

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Every year?

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  But they thought, you saw, the most effective thing of that Sackler with Ferris Bueller, that documentary series or whatever.

• 32:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Painkiller.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Is they started every episode with a real person talking about how their son is dead.

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Or, you know, something like that.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  And then they, and you're like, oh my God, this makes it so real.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Painkiller, that's what it's called.

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  It was so good.

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  That's Peter Berg's, you know, we talked about that the other day.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  What am I?

• 32:43Joe Rogan?

  It's an amazing series, amazing series. Like that, that.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  Matthew Broderick plays such a good fucking creep. He did such a good job. God, that fucking, that show's so disturbing because it's based on true story.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  And he show a guy falling into the despair, from being fine.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  To just like, ugh.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we all know somebody who got hooked.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:06Joe Rogan?

  I, I, I mean, it's so potent. It's so powerful. And they told doctors, they told people, they told everybody that it wasn't even addictive. They knew it was addictive. They knew it operated on the same path. I mean, that's in the painkiller series.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:20Joe Rogan?

  That it operates on the same pathway as heroin. Like, you're saying that this is not addictive. This is a lie.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, what they did there was go, if that movie is completely accurate, it's like, okay, so this is for heavily cancerous, like, bedridden people that have a pain threshold of eight to 10. Like, it'll be good for them. Why don't we just extend the pain threshold to three to 10?

• 33:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  And that allows a lot more people in. If you're at a nine, it doesn't matter if I get addicted. My life is awful right now.

• 33:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  If you're to three, like, walk it off.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. I talked about when I got my nose fixed, when the doctor tried to give me two different opiates. And I was like,

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Why?

• 33:56Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm, it was nothing. I mean, it didn't even hurt. It was just mildly uncomfortable. And that was also because it was stuffed up with gauze, like those, it wasn't even gauze, like, these foam things with a tube that they stuff in your nose to keep your nostrils open while it's healing. But, you know, he gave me two different opiates. And I was like, is it gonna get worse than this? Cause I don't,

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I'm fine.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm fine. It doesn't-

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't tell you, but be careful, I would not take unless you absolutely need it.

• 34:21Joe Rogan?

  No, they don't tell you any of that. They want you to do it, cause they're financially incentivized.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I got a wisdom tooth out, and, uh, the dentist was like, um, I was like, hey, I don't wanna like,

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you get a wisdom tooth out? Did it hurt?

• 34:33Speaker 02

  I don't remember. It was so long ago.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  It was like eight, 15, 18 years ago.

• 34:37Joe Rogan?

  What's the, what's the logic on that? Are you supposed to get wisdom teeth taken out?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  I've had both out.

• 34:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause I've had people say, I've heard people say you shouldn't. Like, there's no reason to take them out.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Oh, why do you? That, they get impacted or something?

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  Often they grow in, they're growing in wrong, and they cause problems with other teeth.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  It had to be that. But he, he gave me this thing of Vicodin. I was like, I don't wanna, and he goes, you're friends with comedians, right? And I was like, yeah. He goes, your friends will want it. Whatever you don't need.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  What the?

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Whatever you don't need. I'm sure you could find, he was joking around, but he was right. I have tons of addict friends. They, they are all like, nice.

• 35:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Advising me to take aspirin, not use up one of those precious Vicodins.

• 35:14Joe Rogan?

  I took that stuff once when I had my first ACL reconstruction. And it was, it made me so stupid.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Vicodin?

• 35:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it was Vicodin. It was either Vicodin or Percocet, I can't remember. But I think it was Vicodin. But I wound up selling it at the pool hall.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, sell it, get some money.

• 35:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, do the right thing. The only time I would advise taking Vicodin is if you have like two beers. And really want a good night.

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, those go so well with liquor.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  Is Vicodin an opiate? Is it the same thing as oxycodone? Like, what is Vicodin?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  It's a downer.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  I don't know what oxy does.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  You're a downer.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  It's a, it combines hydrocodone and Tylenol.

• 35:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Tylenol. Tylenol and hydrocodone.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Nice one, Joe.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people die from that shit, too.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Tylenol?

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I was reading this sad story once about this lady who, she had COVID. And she was in so much pain from COVID that she kept taking Tylenol and she died of a fucking liver failure.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  Because the Tylenol, the acetaminophen killed her liver.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Sometimes you see people dying, you're like, what a loser way to die. You can't ever tell anybody there was no victim hood. Aspirin overdose?

• 36:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Dork.

• 36:27Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. How much aspirin do you have to take before you die? That seems nuts.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I feel like all these middle school girls would try it before they had access to stuff.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 36:36Speaker 02

  When they just want to be drama queens, like, I took a whole bottle of aspirin.

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, I knew a girl who did exactly that thing. Exactly that in high school.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 36:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she took aspirin.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  But it's like, that's not gonna do it. But your call for attention is there.

• 36:47Joe Rogan?

  She was also crazy annoying.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Like, let me tell you how to actually do it.

• 36:52Joe Rogan?

  Big tits and she fucked everybody. She was nuts.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  And I'll accept it.

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  This girl was a fucking freak. She fucked everybody. She was an animal. Catholic school girl.

• 37:03Speaker 04

  I just stumbled across something weird.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Uh, I just typed in Tylenol deaths and this thing came up, the Chicago Tylenol murders.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  It seems like it's an unsolved case. Yeah, there was tampered Tylenol that people bought that was potassium cyanide. Seven people died.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, they broke, that's when they started, that's when they started doing the seal on top.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, right?

• 37:23Speaker 04

  I remember this.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  I remember this. This is when I was in high school. Do they know why?

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Investigation suspects?

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what the conspiracy.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, what?

• 37:36Joe Rogan?

  What's the tinfoil at?

• 37:38Speaker 04

  Someone recently was arrested. No suspect has been charged as of 2026.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, so a bunch of people died and they just got away with it?

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Was convicted of extortion, sending a letter to Tylenol manufacturer claiming responsibility and demanding a million dollars.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  If I remember right, they said, they said, we found out the, the problem with one plant that had whatever and we've, we've got, and someone else like, well, okay, I bought this bottle before that happened, so this should be safe. And then it wasn't. And then there was like Tylenol or whatever was like covering up how bad it got.

• 38:10Joe Rogan?

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• 40:13Speaker 02

  Instead of going, recall everything.

• 40:15Joe Rogan?

  Estimated 31 million bottles were in circulation with a retail value of over $100 million, equivalent to $334 million in 2025. The company also advertised in the national media for individuals not to consume any of its products that contained acetaminophen after it was determined that only these capsules had been tampered with.

• 40:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  There's other ones in California that strychnine in them.

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow, so that's probably one of those things too. There's copycats, right? Like one person hears about someone buying poison Tylenol.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  I wanna do that.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wanna poison people in Ohio.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Hacks.

• 40:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Fucking hacks. Get your own shit.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  Fucking hacks.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Be original, be awful, evil, but be original. There's so many of those, like the Tylenol, we're like, wait, were you guys evilly covering this up and resulting in more deaths? That, that I found out down there was like Coca-Cola, Dole. We're like, oh, these are like evil corporations.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  As soon as they realized that, you know, the Pinto story?

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Uh-uh. The, the mistake.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  So Ford found out, let's, let's.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:18Joe Rogan?

  Research this to make sure this is true. Because someone brought it up on the podcast. They're blowing up and they realize it's cheaper to just pay people off that died from their car being blown up than it is to recall all these Ford Pintos. Cause the Pinto had like the gas station, the gas tank, rather, was in the back.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, something like that.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  There was something about the design where if you got rear ended, it would blow up.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  And it was just, they did a dollar value on it.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, somebody did. I wanna say Ford, I wanna, you know, you say Ford, but really it's a person. It's, it's not the Ford of today, it's some guy.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Would that be a pre-production crash test?

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, investigators and lawsuits showed that pre-production crash tests had already revealed this vulnerability, but the car still went to market largely unchanged. Yeah, who told us about this?

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll check.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  I kinda remember that.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  It's one of our guests explained that to us and it was just like, oh god.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  It's so dark. It's such a fucking dark, evil thing to do, to say, well, people are gonna die, but we'll just pay them off.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  What's the number?

• 42:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is the number? First of all, the car sucked. Why'd you make it in the first place? It's a terrible, shitty fucking-

• 42:28Speaker 02

  It kinda looks cool now, but-

• 42:29Joe Rogan?

  No, it doesn't.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  It's got that sun, sun deck in the back.

• 42:33Joe Rogan?

  Garbage car.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  So Coca-Cola would have people, just like if you were like a leftist leader, running for whatever, they were worried that if that person got in power, they would unionize their population, and that would cost them more money in the plants?

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  And they would just have people straight killed. Straight up, get them out of the way.

• 42:53Joe Rogan?

  Coca-Cola had people whacked?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Dole used to be the American fruit company.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  Have a Coke and a Smile? They had people whacked?

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Jamie, I mean, look it up, but like, you start looking at-

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  It's probably an executive somewhere. Probably an executive-

• 43:07Speaker 02

  They drew a big-

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  House of Cards style, who had some guy who was a fixer for him.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, look, these motherfuckers are causing problems. And this guy was concerned with his job as whatever, CEO, executive.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  But it's happened over a long period of time. They were giving money to, I think, FARC or something in Colombia, after they were already labeled like a terrorist organization, they're still giving them money.

• 43:30Joe Rogan?

  For decades Coca-Cola's faced several, severe allegations regarding the murder and intimidation of union leaders at bottling plants in Colombia and Guatemala.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  They hired paramilitary death squads to suppress labor activism. That's like, oh, what? They they want an honest, like, day's pay? Get rid of him.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, do you remember when Ross Perot was running for president? You were too young.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  I barely remember, but sort of.

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  I was just starting to be aware of how fucked up politics were. And because he was on television explaining about the World Trade Organization, about when they were going to start opening up plants in Mexico and moving jobs to Mexico. He's like, what you're what you're gonna hear is a giant sucking sound. Where all the money and jobs are gonna go down to Mexico. And what we allowed during that time was essentially what the labor unions were doing in this country was making sure that people had a great wage because the corporations were getting paid well. So the CEOs wanted all the money like they always do. The corporation wanted all the money.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  But you really can't make a Mustang unless you have the people that are on the assembly line. Unless you have the people that are doing all the hard labor and all the work. And they should get compensated correctly. And so the auto unions, workers organized it. And they went on strike and they did the they did what they had to do. And they were making a great living. They're making a great living and these people had a nice house and they had a car and a garage. And it felt good that they were getting paid really well. And so a lot of people thought, well, they're getting paid too well. And this is fucking up our profits. And so what and I'm simplifying this if you're.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Take 10 bucks from a million people instead of like the top guys make a million less.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  They did is just open up a plant in Mexico and pay people fucking slave labor. And they go over there and they pay them slave wages. And these people are making cars for like fucking how much a dollar a day or something like that. Instead of getting healthcare and retirement and, you know, and so.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  That's what we're talking about. The free market says go to Mexico. The moral market says, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, let's just pay people what they deserve here.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  It's not just that, but they destroyed Detroit.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  That's Roger and me, that documentary, Michael Moore's greatest documentary is all his first one is his best one. Because it it's really documenting an horrific attack on Detroit. And and Flint, Michigan, and all those places up there where there's all these auto plants and they all just went away, man. And those jobs went away and now Detroit is Detroit's kind of bouncing back.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  It's coming back. Danny was talking about it at Brown where he was like just before COVID, it was like starting to be like some cool new restaurants and like really coming back. Then COVID kind of nailed it down again. And now it's, I think, back back going back up again.

• 46:26Joe Rogan?

  They have some cool stuff in there. I mean, there's, there's a bunch of companies that are like proudly like made in Detroit.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  Underrated pizza, Detroit pizza.

• 46:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Square. Yeah, it's really good.

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  Square? Interesting.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, crispy like on every bite, every slice.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Cause it's not thick crust square. It's like that thin crust square. It's just really good.

• 46:45Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it funny that we want it in a circle? I want it in a circle.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Why?

• 46:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Odd.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. You get committed to it. Like, we don't get committed to that with a sandwich. Like, if I go to a Jewish deli and I get a square sandwich, I don't say, no, I want a little hoagie. I want it to look like a submarine.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Doesn't look right.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. You know, like, no one cares.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  No one cares. The shape.

• 47:07Joe Rogan?

  No. It's a really good sandwich. But some people do. Like, if you give them a cheeseburger, but it's on bread, they're like, what is this bullshit? Square bullshit. I want a round bun, motherfucker.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  On rye bread?

• 47:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is this? Rye bread is for pastrami. Don't give me rye bread with a fucking cheeseburger, you communist.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Is my name Reuben? Then why you give me something that looks like a fucking Reuben?

• 47:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is this? Like, if you buy an Italian sandwich, it has to come on a big old fucking hoagie roll. A ciabatta. You know, one of those big fucking seeded. Yeah, that's what you want.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  All bread.

• 47:41Joe Rogan?

  It's weird that we want our pizza to only be circular.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  And then what's weird too is you're not eating it in the round version.

• 47:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  You're eating it in this weird triangle.

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  Right. You're eating in a wedge.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Edge of round. That edge could be.

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  You know what I've seen that deeply disturbs me?

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  When people take a circular pizza and then they chop it up into a bunch of squares. I'm like, what have you done?

• 47:59Speaker 04

  No, no, that's the Ohio style.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Is that what it is?

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 48:02Speaker 02

  That's what it's called?

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Or pub style.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  So you split it up a lot?

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  That makes kinda sense, but not for-

• 48:09Speaker 04

  You bring one pizza into the bar and now fucking ten people can get a bite as opposed to-

• 48:13Speaker 02

  I guess the only other way is to make slices like that thin. Like real thin, like long, but that's not fun.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  We also have edge to edge toppings.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  How many pizzas has Dave Portnoy sold? If you really stop and think about it.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 48:26Joe Rogan?

  Dave Portnoy is probably responsible for more pizza sales in this country than any other living human being.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz I watch his pizza reviews. I wanna go get a pizza.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  He gives it to you honest.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, he's very good at it.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:39Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he really loves pizza too, like you could tell. Like this is a, he's not making any money off of that.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  No, he's really not.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Just like some views.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  It's a labor of love. He likes it. It's fun for him and it's become a thing. And he gets in arguments with pizza places sometimes, like they yell at him, he yells at them.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  You can't film it here, it's like fuck you.

• 48:56Joe Rogan?

  They throw shit at him. It's like really kinda crazy.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  That's so great.

• 49:00Joe Rogan?

  But I've, I've gone to places because he recommended them. Like if I'm, I find out that I'm in a town and I know that there's pizza there, I'm like, what does Portnoy think?

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want a local rec. It's always better than a Google.

• 49:14Joe Rogan?

  No one's done that with anything else. Like what other celebrity has done that with any other kind of food, where they go places and review it?

• 49:20Speaker 02

  There's a guy in New York, not a celebrity, but he was, his goal was to search out every single slice in New York. It took him years and then named the best ones.

• 49:28Joe Rogan?

  Boy, how would you know? How are you gonna compare a slice to a slice you had a year ago?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  It's right. I guess you gotta, yeah, you really gotta know.

• 49:35Joe Rogan?

  How are you gonna know?

• 49:36Speaker 02

  You can instantly go, no. But, yeah, anything that's good, you gotta go back and forth.

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  Plus, it's super subjective.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Obviously.

• 49:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  You gotta go cheese. You gotta prepare cheese to cheese.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, it has to be just plain cheese pizza.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Which is a classic.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so good. I mean, other pizzas are great, but man, a really good plain cheese pizza is fucking phenomenal.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  Especially if it's done well.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Fresh out, here's the secret too, if you're New York, underrated tip. I told Rudy this, he's going to New York. Fat guy. So he's gonna wanna like, get some tips. I was like, no matter what you were gonna get, just say, do you have anything fresh coming out? And if they say, it's gonna be like 10 more minutes, so it's okay, I'll wait.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  It's like when you go to Krispy Kreme and they got the serve, the hot donuts, they're coming out hot.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, the lights on.

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  With that lights on. If I'm thinking about having it, when I used to live in LA.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  There was a Krispy Kreme down the street, like, it was on the way home. And if I drive by, if that fucking hot, the hot light was on, I'm like, I'm pulling in. I'm getting a hot one.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  So much better than warmed up.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  It's so much better. Like, when they come right out, and the glazed ones that are coming right out hot. They just dissolve in your mouth. Right there.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  And good for you.

• 50:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it's better than, better than vitamins.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Look at that.

• 50:57Joe Rogan?

  It, uh, cures diabetes.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  You have all dough and you're like, let's put, with sugar in it, like, let's put sugar on top.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Let's fully overwhelm your system. I remember I would eat them, then I'd go back to my house and I'd go, what was, what's wrong with you? Why'd you do this? The fuck is wrong with you?

• 51:14Speaker 02

  We've all been there.

• 51:15Joe Rogan?

  You fucking idiot.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  The fuck's wrong with you?

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  You feel so bad. Cause I would eat like a half a dozen too. I'd eat like six donuts. I'd get a, I'd, I always buy like a box and I'd eat half the box. I'd buy like a box of a dozen. And I'd buy like, chocolate cream filled and all the different ones. And I'd eat like six of them in my car on my way home. And then I'd get home and I'm like, oh.

• 51:38Joe Rogan?

  Just poisoned.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  An adult has learned nothing about his body.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-nine years old. Sitting on the couch, oh.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  When you have that after 23 years old, you're like, what, you're hurting, you're like, I just have to let this pass, I have to, just like for an hour. You're like, what a fucking loser.

• 51:55Joe Rogan?

  You're a fucking loser, yeah.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  You ate yourself into feeling bad.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  I do that all the time.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Drinking, I get, sneaks up on you.

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  I eat when if I go to New York, every time I go to New York, I eat myself into a coma. I eat myself way too.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Gotta.

• 52:08Joe Rogan?

  Just way too fat. I get hurting like where my stomach stretched out so much it hurts. Cause I've got so much food in there, I really can't fit anymore food and I look pregnant. My stomach sticks out.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  You got burnt belly.

• 52:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she looks so awful and it's all swollen and bloated because it's all the pasta and bread. It's all the water and the wine is making it expand.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Can't even think straight. Your body's like bring everything into the stomach right now.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have no, like if I had to pass a spelling bee, I'm fucked. My IQ dips by like forty points. Yeah, it's it's terrible. I'm a glutton too. I'm a I have a real problem with like volume. I just, when I start eating, I'm like a dog. I just keep eating. I just can't stop. Like I'm good at not eating, like I can not eat for like twelve, sixteen hours. But when I sit down for a meal, I just, or when I'm ordering, I think it comes from being poor when I was a kid too. So it's like there's something about like wanting everything. I want it all. I want steak. I want pasta. I want this, I want that, with that.

• 53:12Joe Rogan?

  And then after, like you never learn, you fucking idiot.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're like, you're like, I've had about enough and then you're like, one more bite and then you're like, and now if we're talking, like I'm gonna eat like two more full plates worth as we're talking.

• 53:23Joe Rogan?

  I remember we were in Atlanta once. This has happened more than once, but this one lady in Atlanta was like almost arguing with me.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Too much food.

• 53:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we went to a diner in Atlanta after our show and this, I ordered two things. I ordered like meatloaf and I ordered a steak. And she's like, oh honey, that's too much food. I go, no, it's not. I go, I'm gonna eat it all. And she's like, that is too much food. I go, you don't know, you don't know me.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  You don't know you.

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  You don't know me. I can consume. I will consume all of this. This is not, I need this.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, when it's time for you to eat, you eat.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  Especially also after shows, dude. Oh God, you do fucking long ass shows.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  I brought you and Goldie once a hot dog. I was just like, there was, I was doing the early days of yours, not early, but like mid level days and then high level days. So I remember having more access than anyone could really get anymore.

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, you were behind me in the.

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  When the camera was on you and Duncan, so you guys made out.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  We were bored.

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  They timed it.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  And we noticed, we noticed the camera, we were sitting right behind you.

• 54:26Joe Rogan?

  So the way, they could see the monitor, so they were sitting behind me, so they knew what the camera was capturing.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  So we're on that camera, that guy's camera.

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  They waited and then it's got right here and in the middle, so there's the camera side, you guys.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Frosty died.

• 54:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, this is the early, early days, this is probably like 2002 or something like that. That was way back in the day.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  First, so first we're giving out, so Duck was being accused of being an Illuminati a lot then. So he goes, oh, there's a camera, I mean, I gotta do this thing. He goes, what? He goes, it's just to stoke the flames, so he'll just do this, he'll do triangles. At some point, we made a big triangle with both our hands. And then I think he said it, I don't know, it doesn't matter, one of us said it, the other reacted. He'll, hey, next time, we gotta kiss. And it was like, fuck, yes.

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure it was Duck.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  God damn it, yeah, you're right, we do. It was like, this is gonna be awful, but you have to.

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know about it until after it was over. People were like, your friends were kissing on camera. And I just, I literally couldn't breathe, I was like, oh my god, oh my god. I go, show it to me, show it to me. I like made the guys in the truck show me the video of it. I'm like, oh my god, this is so funny.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  There was also like a wrestling moment, or it was, there was a lot of wrestling in that fight, if I remember right. It's a long time ago, but there was a blog, saying, from like an MMA blog, saying, two bored bearded dudes make out during a UFC fight.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Dude, you give a comic a camera on you and we're like, let's go, we gotta do something.

• 56:02Joe Rogan?

  Especially like, you have six hours, six hours of fights, so there's all this time to think. And they're not all exciting, some of them are fucking boring, and when they're boring, you gotta come up with different ways to entertain yourself.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  What you gonna do?

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was so fun. You could see the one that was on it, so like when those fighters are in front of us.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  This guy, I'm gonna fix this.

• 56:27Joe Rogan?

  Like it wants to work.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  It wants to work.

• 56:32Joe Rogan?

  What if this one works?

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  Those are fun times. That was back when the UFC was like, no one was watching anyway.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  You could just do whatever. The weigh-ins was the best. We had a weigh-in in Florida and it was just like, only the camps kinda came in. And the tap-out guys, rest in peace, they'd come in there, well, just one rest in peace.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Live well.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  But it was just like you'd be in there and I remember once you were like, hey Ari, maybe I'll call you up to weigh-in. And you could, you just could. And you're like, you wanna go now? Alright. It was like, there was no real rules there. It was pretty wild.

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  No one knew what was going on. Ari Shaffir. And you would just walk out. Yeah, you could do anything back then. And that was also a real weigh-in. That was when the guys actually would get on the scale. Now it's a ceremonial weigh-in.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 57:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because now they weigh in in advance because they wanna give them more time to recover.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 57:29Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing's gross. They shouldn't be weighing in. They shouldn't be cutting weight.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  As a casual fan, it's the most obvious one. Make them weigh in at the event.

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. I mean, we've had long discussions. I had a discussion recently with Hunter Campbell where we're trying to figure out a way to blow up all the weight classes and make people fight out what their actual weight is. But you'd have to like show up in camp, like, you know.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Get to the right, exact right weight.

• 57:54Joe Rogan?

  Weigh them.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  A pound or two below for safety.

• 57:57Joe Rogan?

  But it would have to be random. Like, they couldn't know you were coming.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Oh, like the whole way through it has to be at that weight?

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  Just show up. What do you weigh? Get on the scale. 185? Bro, you're supposed to be fighting at 155. How the fuck are you 185?

• 58:09Speaker 02

  It's dumb because you're not actually, you're, it's like having field goals decide like an NFL game. It's like, this is not, this is like a minor part of the sport.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  So that's like you're having a 185'er fight against a 160-pound. So you're not actually saying who's best in your class.

• 58:25Joe Rogan?

  In elite levels, they're all doing it. So it's, everybody's cheating. It's sanctioned cheating. It's not cheating because it's legal.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  But it's rewarding guys who know how to cut better than guys who don't. And as a casual fan, that's not what we're into.

• 58:36Joe Rogan?

  It's also very biological. So some people can cut weight very easily and some people it's a fucking grind. And it's way more of a grind for women. Women hold on to that water weight a lot harder than men do. So when a woman has to lose, like a woman has to cut like 20 pounds. Yeah, man. They cut weight. But apparently it's way more brutal for them.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 59:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fucking terrible. They should, they should, i- it should have never been in there in the first place. And they should figure out a way to get it out.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  What do they do in high school wrestling when people fight at like 112? That's just your weight or do you cut for that?

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  You weigh in the day.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  The way in the day, uh, but it's still, you're still cutting weight. I, I weighed, I used to wrestle at 128 and then I wrestled at-

• 59:19Speaker 02

  128 for a grown man?

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  I was 14.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 59:21Joe Rogan?

  And then, uh, 134. And then I, I, cause I couldn't really make 128 anymore. And then when I started fighting in Taekwondo, I fought, my first fights were at 140. That was when I was like 15, 16. And then by, I, my last fight at 140, I was 17. And I was not 140. And I was starving myself and I was cutting a bunch of water weight. And then I would fight dehydrated.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Like fighters, they're like models.

• 59:46Joe Rogan?

  But I only did it one year. I only did it one year and then I went up to 155, which was much better. That was easy because I didn't have to cut any weight. And I was way better then. But that thing where they do in wrestling, you're not getting hit in the head in wrestling, right? So it will deplete you and so you have to make a decision like-

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  Just your muscles.

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  How much am I gonna be depleted and wanna be the, the size bully and have a bigger frame and utilize it? But have depleted performance, like how much, how good a shape would I have to be in where that depletion only takes out a certain percentage of my ability? And so it's like this calculated thing. Like Kurt Angle, for instance. Kurt Angle, when he was Olympic gold medalist, he didn't cut any weight. And he was a phenomenal wrestler. Kurt Angle was a fucking monster and he was beating guys way bigger than him. But he had so much energy because he didn't cut weight. And so he was wrestling against guys that did cut weight and he was dominating them. Yeah, because he was full strength.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  But they were bigger than him.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  They were bigger than him, but he had incredible skill, also strong as fuck anyway, and had no depletion of his resources. Like his body was working at full capacity.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  It's like Greg Fitzsimmons in the prime. He would just fight anybody. He would just fight anybody. Oh, tiny little man. Fight anybody.

• 1:01:01Joe Rogan?

  He got attacked on stage at Stitches and, uh, the guy-

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  Wrong guy to rush.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Attacked him and they, they fucking, some brawl broke out and they, the, the bouncers got in, they take the guy away. And then Greg gets on the microphone, didn't even end the show, gets on the microphone, he goes, anybody else want some of this? And then Greg started laughing. It was great. He finished his set.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:22Joe Rogan?

  He finished, he's great composure, kept it together, finished his set. Fucking fun dude.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Joe Rogan?

  But they should, they, they really should ban weight cutting. But the only way they're really ever gonna be able to do that is to make more weight classes. There's not enough weight classes.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  And then you'll have the, what, I don't understand enough to talk about it.

• 1:01:42Joe Rogan?

  I think boxing has eighteen weight classes.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't you have like some like who cares weight classes?

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so, they're sorta.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  And if you really wanna get known, you gotta move up or down to like one of the majors.

• 1:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what's weird? Like one sixty is a huge weight class, one forty seven hu- welterweight, huge weight class, big giant fights. Cruiserweight? Which is like between light heavyweight and heavyweight, no one gives a fuck about.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Wow, why?

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, it's just weird, like, nobody gives a shit about the cruiserweight champion. Like Usik, before he became the heavyweight champion, was the cruiserweight champion? And people cared about him just cuz he was so skillful? But he had to go up to heavyweight before people cared. But if he was a light heavyweight, he would've been huge.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Came on.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. Very weird. But I think boxing, how many weight classes does boxing have, professional boxing? I wanna say there's eighteen, whereas in the UFC, there's only eight.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  It's a big difference.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  It's a big difference. You can, and you can follow champions better.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also, it's like-

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Even when Mighty Mouse came in, it was like, you have this dominant guy coming in

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  To, to really launch the weight class? But people are like, we don't know this weight class, so we're less interested in you than we should be.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, the people have a thing about tiny people. They, they look at a small guy who's like five three and weighs a hundred and twenty-five pounds and like, nah, we don't care.

• 1:03:00Speaker 04

  Seventeen here.

• 1:03:01Joe Rogan?

  Seventeen.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Red Ben said the one thirty fivers and one twenty fivers, they should have to come into the octagon on little mini horses and-

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Ride around a couple times.

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  That's so rude. And so, what, what was also interesting is like flyweight women, like Valentina Shevchenko, it's one of the premier weight classes. In the women's division.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Cuz that's heavy?

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  For a woman, it's like, normal size. One twenty-five is like a normal weight. It's like a man fighting at one sixty. Or, you know, one seventy, it's normal. Weird.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, but there's not enough weight classes and they should have fixed that a long time ago. There's, there's giant gaps, like the gap between 185, which is middleweight and then 205, which is light heavyweight. That's crazy.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  It's a big one.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a giant leap.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  And then everything else?

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, not even. That's what's even stupider.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  You get to heavyweight at 265, that's the cutoff for heavyweight. So you have to weigh 265 or under.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  That's my favorite weigh-ins because they're still wearing their jeans. Like they don't really, they're like, I'm inside a range.

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't give a fuck. But the, so ceremonial weigh-ins is what we have now. So when someone weighs in now, they've already weighed in the morning in an official scale in front of, you know, doctors and state reps.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  They give them a chance to come back again.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  The athletic commission checks them out. And suddenly they just suck a bunch of water down and electrolytes and they slowly rehydrate over the four or five hours. Yeah. They have to do it slowly.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  The science is so crazy behind it.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  The heavyweight division is older than the United States.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Officially, 1738?

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Whoa. Weighing as much as they want.

• 1:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Is that real?

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  So heavyweight was weigh, they weighed 160 plus. Since the division is no way-

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  160 plus?

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people were tiny back then.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  You know, Rocky Marciano was like one of the great heavyweights of all time?

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  He weighed 185 pounds. So Rocky Marciano, the heavyweight champion of the world, one of the greatest of all time, weighed 15 pounds less than me.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Isn't that nuts?

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  It's so different. If you ever look back at a fat guy from like Chris Farley types or whatever and you're like, you're not even, you're just a little big.

• 1:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like normal fat.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Steve Simone body.

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at these guys back then where they wore diapers and shit. Like what's that, what are you wearing? What's that thing around your waist?

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  What is that? To wipe up blood?

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  And they all fought bare knuckle back then too.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  Quick fights.

• 1:05:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, they just broke their hands a lot. They had a, they threw a lot of punches to the body back then because they didn't want to break their hands on people's heads.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  That was the biggest defense back then, the Brian Dennehy thing? Lower your head and make a punch on the head and break-

• 1:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Lower your head? And they all boxed like this too, where they would throw their knuckles out like that.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  Because if you just blast someone, you could blast someone like that if you have gloves on and hand wraps.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Stockton slap would have gone a long way back then.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. They would have been legendary. Slapped them. Yeah, it's uh, it's funny how things change and then how they go back to it. Cause now bare knuckle boxing is making a huge comeback.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Seen chess boxing?

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Beat the shit out of each other and then play chess?

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Play five minutes.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  If you're a good boxer, like you have a massive advantage. The guy just got a concussion. He doesn't even know what the knight does.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  He's like, uh, like you can't move that. Like, ah, fuck.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  I wonder whose idea that was? What kind of fucking psychopath?

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Who wants to combine those things?

• 1:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you, you, it'd have to be people that aren't that good at boxing and aren't that good at chess. Cause if somebody flatlines you and sends you to the hospital, you're not playing chess afterwards.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Joe Rogan?

  So it has to be people that kind of suck at boxing.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Kind of suck at boxing.

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Cause if you really like Mike Tyson, somebody, you fucking KO them and they have to get carried out in a stretcher. Well, then you by fault, one, by default, won the chess as well, cause they can't even play.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, just dusty boards.

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  You have to take them to the hospital. How, how are they gonna play chess?

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  I don't even understand the rules there.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  You have to have a minimum of eighteen hundred in chess to be a competitor.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  What is that? What's eighteen hundred?

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  I would imagine pretty good.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  Is that a score? What does that mean? The scores in chess?

• 1:07:05Joe Rogan?

  Like a golf handicap.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's something like that.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:07:08Joe Rogan?

  So what is like Magnus Carlsen, the guy that was on the podcast? What does he have? What's his rating?

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  Let's see, I'll just type this.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  Plays poker too, that guy.

• 1:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Does he?

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  You'd be in the top five to ten percent of players.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Super smart. He's one of those dudes you talk to him, like there's some guys you talk to him like, oh, there's a lot working on behind those eyes. It's like, so if you were high around that guy, you'd probably get weirded out. You'd be like, oh.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  You read my soul.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  You're an alien.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  He's a twenty-eight, forty.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Wow, way better.

• 1:07:35Joe Rogan?

  What is the highest ranked chess player alive today?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Good question, Joe.

• 1:07:38Speaker 04

  I think that'd be him. That'd be him.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, he peaked at twenty-eight, eighty-two, the highest in history.

• 1:07:44Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That is crazy.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  Wow. What about that schizo Jew turned Arab, whatever his name is?

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  Which guy? Uh, which guy?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Fucking boy, the boy who went schizo.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  Schizo Jew turned Arab?

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, wasn't there some?

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Bobby Fischer's, are you talking about? Oh.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  I had to translate it. Oh, yeah, he became like very anti Semitic, right?

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Very close, twenty seven eighty five.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  So Magnus is better than him?

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, if Magnus is the best ever.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Magnus.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Ever, oh, okay.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking super genius. So what happened with Bobby Fischer?

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  This actually has him rated maybe one point below Magnus's peak. Twenty eight eighty one, one year performance, it says.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Bobby Fischer?

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's based off of like who you're playing, when you're playing them and how like, you know, how good they are at the time and how good you did.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  It's like golf, it's like who's in the tournament.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, but that happens, like, pool has ratings, they have a Fargo rating. And they they also do it per game. Like, there's this guy, he he just died recently, Chang Jung Lin, and he's this dude from um, from Taiwan, and he played at a thousand. A thousand was his, for one game.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  He couldn't get a game.

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Not for one game, excuse me, for like one match.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  What would he have to give? To you or to me?

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it would be pointless, it'd just destroy us. Just as soon as you, he never missed.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  He'd be like, make a ball and you win?

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  There's another guy, this guy who's also from Taiwan, um, Ko Ping Chung, and he played an entire match where he never missed a ball. He won eleven to nothing against another world-class player.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Who lost a coin flip to start.

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he he lost the lag, the lag, and I think.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  That's it, the guy didn't touch the cue?

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  He broke and left a long shot on the one ball, and the guy missed that, and he never made a ball. Not, he didn't make one ball, the entire, every, there was a couple of times.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Winner goes first, yeah.

• 1:09:38Joe Rogan?

  There was a couple of times, winner breaks, so every time he broke, and he was making the one ball on the side, like, every game, and every time he didn't have a shot, he would just play a lockup safety, and the guy would kick and then leave a shot, and then he would run out again. He just, he just got in the zone, so he played at a one thousand Fargo for the entire match. That's crazy. That means he never missed a ball on four-inch pockets.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Oh, really tight.

• 1:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Tiny little pockets.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  There's people that are like-

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  It's amazing how big pool is too, across the world, and billiards too.

• 1:10:12Joe Rogan?

  I know. And, and, in Asia, it's huge.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Asia's huge. Do you find people with just an overhang? Just so it doesn't get wet? And they're all out there playing, and, and just like flip flops and-

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're losing a lot of the top Taiwanese and Chinese players to a game that they play in China now. Where it's like a snooker table. It doesn't look like a pool table, like the, the pockets aren't cut the same way, they're rounded. But, they're playing nine ball, and they're playing with like purses, like top, top purses, like $600,000 for a tournament, $700,000. So they're all going over there and playing in that. Because you can make millions in a year, instead of a couple hundred grand, which is like what the best players make in America.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  That's why women were going to fucking Russia to play basketball.

• 1:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, right.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Until now.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  Until now. Well, just don't bring weed. You know, god.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just, I mean, just don't bring weed.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  The thing is like-

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  But also, I think they were all doing it.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  Weed helps basketball a lot, apparently. I'm not a basketball player, clearly. But, weed-

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  You couldn't keep score.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Me and Mugsy Boggs.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, alright, that's a good reference.

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  But, weed apparently is phenomenal for basketball players. Like, they all talk about it. Like, I've talked to basketball players about weed, they say, "I can play way better when I'm high."

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Well, they had the-

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  They feel it.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  Collective bargaining, not a late one, but like this 20 years ago, and they're like, "We can test for drugs," but they fought back, they go, "Not weed." So if you get caught with weed, sure, you can suspend us, but you can't test for it. Because, why? We're all doing it.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're all doing it, and it helps the game. Like, it helps their, their feel. It helps pool, for sure.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  It helps poker, for sure, for sure.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'd imagine you read people's tells.

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  According to World Snooker Tour figures, more than 24.5 million unique viewers watched the third session of the final alone in China, and during the whole 2025 tournament, had an accumulative audience of 180 million in national broadcasting.

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Compared, that's, that's like an NFL playoff.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  24 million watched the finals of this, what's, what's, it's like a billion for Super Bowl, right? So, but like, a playoff game.

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  But that's snooker, or like the English call it snooker. So snooker is very different and it's on a 12 foot table. It's a huge table and the balls are very small and they don't have numbers on them. It's just like red, black, pink. It's mostly red, there's red that's in the stack and then you have black, pink, brown. And I think there's another, I've never played the game. I fucked around with it when I was in Scotland, they had a table and I was like shooting balls on it. It's interesting.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  In Colombia, they all play this thing and it's.

• 1:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Three cushion billiards.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's the, they, they take their cue and move a, a thing over, like a scorer over and they keep playing and move one over.

• 1:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  And they're all playing it and they're just kind of casual bars, but it's like 20 tables and they're everywhere.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  And this is where there's no holes in the table, right? Yeah, that's called three cushion billiards.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  And sit there and watch and drink.

• 1:12:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun game. I don't know how to play it really well.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Strategy.

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, it's really understa- it is definitely strategy, but it's really understanding angles. It's understanding how to kick and how to like, by, when I say kick, what I mean is like, go off a rail and hit another rail and then collide with the ball. So three cushion billiards is you have three balls on the table, that's it. And so you have the, the whole table, it's like a big ass pool table, but there's no pockets. And you have three balls. And so what you have to do is hit one ball and then go three rails at least, three cushions and then hit the second ball.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  And then another ball.

• 1:13:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes. But also put yourself in a position where then you can make another shot afterwards.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Right, or play safety.

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  It's a complicated game and it's different because it's a lot of it's spin and the harder you hit it, the shorter the angle is. And if you hit it with English, it spins out wider or shorter, depending upon what you're trying to do with it. And it's a, but if you get good at it, it really will help your pool game. Because you'll really have a much more deep understanding of how the ball moves around the table with different speed and side spin and all that kind of shit. I've, I've only fucked around with it though, and then not in a long time. I, we, we had a table at Executive Billiards in White Plains. We used to have a one three cushion table that they would fuck around on.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Just play for, for, for laughs?

• 1:14:23Joe Rogan?

  I couldn't do it, I would just, I want to see the balls go away.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  It's nice.

• 1:14:27Joe Rogan?

  I want to see, when I, when I fire a ball in, I want to see it go down that hole, bye bye. I want to clear it out. I don't want balls lingering just staring at me like.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Do it again, do it again, do it again, I'm still here.

• 1:14:39Joe Rogan?

  Again.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  It's funny that that became a bar sport.

• 1:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  It's really just darts and that became the sports at bars.

• 1:14:46Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  And and the table takes up a lot more space.

• 1:14:49Joe Rogan?

  The dartboard, yeah.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  Dartboard, sure, but that pool table, you need like some actual space.

• 1:14:54Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:39Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  I went to a, I went to a, there's this like pool hall slash like samba place in, in, in somewhere in Brazil.

• 1:16:49Joe Rogan?

  What? Pool and samba?

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like daily, it's a pool hall, but then at night it turns into samba and like the highest level guys come in, their capital and their music capital. It's so fun, but these guys don't stop playing pool. And so everyone's dancing, it's so packed and crowded, it's, excuse me, and you're like, the etiquette is you just know when you're a bar, like alright, alright. But you get, you wanna be like, bro, not, just, it's packed. You can't play pool here.

• 1:17:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't play pool there.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  But they were doing it.

• 1:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a place in the Bronx that is this Dominican pool room where they gamble big money, big money. And they stream some of the matches on YouTube and it's fucking bananas because people are just talking constantly, they're yelling at each other in Spanish and, you know, Dominican people are having fun.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  They're having fun.

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  There's all these Spanish speaking and they're yelling and they're all very flamboyant and having a good time. And they get people to go over there and play like pros and they get so rattled because the

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  They're not used to that.

• 1:17:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Wow. Play on this turf.

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  Right. Not only that, but the, the guys can play and they're accustomed to that culture. So they're accustomed to all the yelling and all the craziness and guys standing in front of the hole while you're shooting at it, which is a no-no in regular pool.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Oh, that's like high school. Do it then, do it.

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  They don't do it that bad. It's not that bad, but there's plenty of guys moving around the table. They're all talking, everyone's yelling. The tables next to you are yelling. They don't care if you're betting thirty thousand dollars on a set.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Dominicans are having so much fun, they're allowed to use the N-word.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  Blacks are like, you know what, they kinda rule. Give it to them. Just Dominicans.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  They're dark enough. Let it go. Let it go. But it's really interesting because I've watched guys who are like top pros go over there and fucking lose to guys that they're not supposed to lose to. And the reason why they're losing is because they're just rattled by the environment. And so what a lot of these guys will do, they'll put AirPods on, so they'll put AirPods in with the noise cancelling, so they try to take away some of the, the fucking sound and just focus. But you're really going to be playing at like six 60% of your capacity because there's just too much chaos going around. If you play in a real legit pool tournament, everything's dead quiet while the guy's down on the ball. And then they clap when someone makes the ball, well then he moves the next shot, they stop clapping.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, too respectful.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, but not these fucking pool, and these guys are playing for big money. They're playing for tens of thousands of dollars and they're just getting sharks and rattled.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  Stealing their blood.

• 1:19:16Joe Rogan?

  I watched guys like, uh, I watched this guy Oscar Dominguez play this dude. Oscar's a top pro, he was on the Moscone Cup, he was on the Moscone team for the US. And he was over there playing this dude, I was like, how did they get him to go there?

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  I talked to my friend Jeremy Jones.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  And rep too, it's like the guys who do Burning Man, the DJs like, I'll play for free, just like it's a rep thing.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think it's that, I think it's the money. Well, Oscar loves to gamble and he's going to a place where someone's willing to gamble him for a lot of money.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Well, you say this thing about Jones, I'm gonna listen while I go to piss.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Go piss, go piss, we'll pause, we'll pause, we'll be right back ladies and gentlemen. I'm not gonna stay the whole thing, we'll pause. We're back, folks. We're back. So what I was saying is, uh, my friend Jeremy Jones, who was a US Open champion, he said he went to that pool hall once and he said, I'm never going back.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  Too much.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  It's too much, too much, and he's also said that the neighborhood is like,

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Dank.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Things can go sideways.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's the neighborhood where like, hey, you might go there three nights in a row and you have a good time. Fourth night, four people get shot, you know what I mean?

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  That was always the problem with underground pool, I mean poker rooms. You play at Commerce or a place like that's legit, it's fine, you go underground, like, there's not, there's a guard there.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you're walking out with a lot of money. I remember when, um, you were struggling in the early days of comedy when we kind of first met.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  And you were making your money by winning pool tournament, or poker tournaments.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  You would go to these,

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Finishing at least.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you would go to these casinos and make, and you would play it like a job. You'd be like, super serious.

• 1:20:46Speaker 02

  I read books on it.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  The best book. There's Tales and there's Strategy, the best, my favorite book is this guy Mike Caro. There's a book called, Mike Caro's Book of Poker Tales. Um, yeah, I managed to use one of them once in a, in a World Series event.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  That if, this is the one where it goes, if someone looks at your chips, it's because they have a killer hand and they think those chips are theirs. And there's a, it's just like, well, you know, when you lie, you look away a little bit.

• 1:21:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:15Speaker 02

  That's like a tell we all kind of know.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  So you look at the chips and go, ooh.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  You look at it just for a second, you're like, and it's because you're like, those are mine. You're not worried about your chips because you know your chips are staying. You got a full house. You know, those are safe. But you're looking at those like, how much of that can I extract? So I was throwing a bluff down against a pro at the World Series. It was like, whatever. And I, I was like, I think he must have read this book.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  And so I'm banking on that. So I'm holding my bluff, nothing hand. And I just kind of do a very subtly, just do one little, and he goes, yeah, right. And he chucked his hand away.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, he thought he had me read. But the best thing about Mike Carroll's poker tells.

• 1:21:51Joe Rogan?

  You, you double crossed.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  I double crossed.

• 1:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  I double crossed, Joe.

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  Clever.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  Thank you for recognizing that.

• 1:21:56Joe Rogan?

  I love that.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  Love a double cross.

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  I love that. That's so cool. That's the cool thing about poker, that it's like, a lot of it's bullshit. You're bullshitting, you know? You're bluffing.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  The best thing about the poker tells, it was written in the seventies and there's a bunch of raced, race-based tells.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, like if a.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Which ethnicities?

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  All.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  All of them?

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  If an older white man re-raises you, get out. That guy doesn't bluff. He's just trying to play. You know, his wife died years ago. He's just trying to extend. Uh, uh, they're like, if you're playing against a Mexican, find out when payday is. And if it was this Friday, they're bluffing. They're just throwing in anything. They just want to play. They're going to part with their monies. There's a whole thing on blacks. I forget exactly what they were saying on that, but it was like, very interesting.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  What year was this written?

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  I think in the seventies.

• 1:22:42Joe Rogan?

  Interesting, back when you could be honest.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he was like, I don't know, I was just telling you how to win.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  All in the family days.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  You can get away with a lot of like honest observations about different cultures.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  Mike Carroll's Book of Poker Tells.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  Orientals.

• 1:22:59Joe Rogan?

  Orientals.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Either very skillful or very luck oriented.

• 1:23:03Joe Rogan?

  I like it says it now, Asian Americans, like, why, what happened to Oriental?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  What happened to Oriental?

• 1:23:08Joe Rogan?

  Someone told me that Oriental is like a slur now.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  But it's actually the right word.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Is it? The Orient?

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  It's people or goods from the Orient. You know what the opposite is?

• 1:23:17Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:23:18Speaker 02

  Uh, you and I, Occidental. People or goods from, I guess, not the Orient.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  Really? We're Occidentals?

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  You know what's also interesting? It's like Asian.

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  Asian is so much of the world.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, Asian includes India, which is Asia.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Nah, if I was president, executive order. That's, no, no. That's not who we're talking about. That's not who we're talking about.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Isn't Pakistan in Asia?

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. That's Middle East, fuck off. Fuck off. You know, oh, Israel's also Asia, by the way.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  But it's also, like, the Philippines is Asia.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  That's Asia.

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  But it's-

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  I'll give you that.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but it's way over there.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  It's way over there.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  And then you got China, and then you got Japan, and then you got Korea, and South Korea and North Korea?

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Ch- okay, let's be real. China, Japan are the obvious ones.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  That's Asia.

• 1:24:07Joe Rogan?

  Those are the big ones.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  The further you get, the more you-

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  Korea, Korea's also a big one.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  Korea, okay. Vietnam, you're still in the gold.

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Vietnam gets a little-

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Mongolia, I don't know.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, well, they're almost Russian.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Saudi Arabia is Asia? Fuck off, we're talking about China and their subsidiaries.

• 1:24:22Joe Rogan?

  Look how big Asia is.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Cambodia, okay, sure, all the jungles.

• 1:24:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  I wonder if I've been to there.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  So Russia's technically Asia? That's Asian Russia.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  Israel is the craziest one.

• 1:24:34Speaker 04

  I cut, I, yeah, we cut off right here, because it'd be European Russia, too.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, so there's Asian Russia, so that would be Siberia, right?

• 1:24:42Speaker 02

  The Maldives are-

• 1:24:43Joe Rogan?

  But that would be like Mongolia for sure. Kazakhstan is Asia. Wow.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but no.

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  Mongolia, but a lot of the Kazakhstan guys look Asian. Like, this guy Shavkat R- Rokmanov, who fights in the UFC?

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  A Mongolian accent is crazy, because it really is. It, it sounds like half Chinese, half Russian.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  You know, they look Chinese, speaking like the Russian accent.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  Hard people, bro.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  Hard people. Kazakhstan, India, Iran? Iran is Asia?

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  Israel's Asia.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  Israel's Asia.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Israel's the edge.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, basically, everything that's-

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  All those people are Oriental.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Orientals. I'm gonna, next time I go to Jerusalem, I'm gonna call them all Orientals.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Look how close Yemen is to Ethiopia. It feels like you could swim there.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  If you really were motivated.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  Damn, yeah, if you want to, you just go to a pool also. You don't really have to.

• 1:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Hey, look where Isra- No worries. Look where, uh, Israel is.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Matches are so interesting, and see how they split shit up.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Israel's like, that's what's nuts. You ever see the border between, uh, Egypt and Palestine? That border's nuts.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, it's the most fortified border you've ever seen in your life. You think the border between Israel and Palestine is rough?

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:26:01Joe Rogan?

  The bor- yeah, the, the border between Egypt and Palestine is way harder to get through.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  They do not want those people in there.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  They do not want those people over there. You ever see it?

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Fucking rolls of barbed wire, it's crazy. Yeah, look at that.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  What, did that guy just catch a baby being thrown over?

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Click on that one, please, the one that says, uh, the Arab Weekly, uh, on, on the top. Yeah, right there. Look at that. Look at that, bro.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  Uh, you ain't getting through that.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  What a nice place to stroll for those two guys.

• 1:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Just a relaxing afternoon near the Gaza wall. Look at that. That's crazy.

• 1:26:39Speaker 02

  Sad times.

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the saddest.

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  The saddest.

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Peace in the Middle East.

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good luck.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, they're all nuts.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's even more nuts now. Look what's happening in Lebanon. Now they're bombing Lebanon, too.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh my god.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Follow any of this?

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Israel's bombing the shit out of southern Lebanon.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  Lebanon?

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was reading about this, uh, Ryan Grim was covering this, uh, Lebanon reporter, this reporter in Lebanon that, that Israel killed. They followed her with drones, they bombed a car in front of her, she ran into an abandoned building, and then they bombed the shit out of the building. And this took hours, and all the while, she was contacting, like, whoever runs Lebanon, and they were contacting Israel and saying, hey, this is, this is a reporter, and- So then they got text messages between like she this someone from the IDF had been saying to them, we're gonna kill you and then they got the number from her phone and contacted the person from the IDF. And they're saying, hey, she works for Hezbollah and you know, fuck you and you're naive.

• 1:27:46Joe Rogan?

  It's it's crazy like they're just openly killing journalists.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  You know what they did a good job in when I was traveling is they got it more than up here is separating Israel from Jew. They really were like, we don't have any problem with Jews, but they were like be very staunchly like.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Israelis, yeah.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you live in Israel, you have to do military service, right? So everyone who lives in milit in Israel is a part of the military in their eyes. Like everyone who lives in Israel has served in the military.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  It's interesting, though, it's like a lot of those kids and then turned into adults are like very against what they're doing.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:22Speaker 02

  It's like an uncovered, I think, um, like part of it. Where they're like, yeah, we don't like this. I mean, half this country or more even didn't vote for Trump, didn't vote for Biden. So they're like, well, I didn't, I don't like this, but they're just still like, you have to like be pro everything about this thing, even though like you can not like certain things.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. The idea that like all Israelis have a a single hive mind.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's not the case in any country ever.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  It's not the same in any crowd.

• 1:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Especially a democracy, because Israel's li- like literally the only democracy over there, really.

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they have parliament too, so there's a lot of choices.

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  And they're trying to like prosecute Netanyahu while all this is going on.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Who is the Israelis?

• 1:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this was one of the things that most people aren't aware of, but that before October 7th, there was hundreds of thousands of people on the streets in Israel protesting Netanyahu. We talked about it the other day because.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  It's hard to protest during war.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  To expand, but this was before the war.

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  So they were trying to expand uh what they can do in terms of like with their constitution. We talked about it. What was the exact, Chammy, do you remember? The exact thing that they were disputing over, but it was expanding the power that the government has. And so people were protesting that and then also October 7th pops off. Pow, yeah, and then, you know.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  It's how it happened here at nine 11. It became like, if you say anything bad now, you're like a a traitor. Instead of just like, well, I was already saying they have issues with, you know, police overstepping or whatever. You're like, but now you can't say that for about three years.

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, so.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Before October 7th, Israel experienced nine months of massive sustained protest against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government, largely driven by opposition to proposed judicial reforms. These demonstrations included hundreds of thousands of participants accused the right-wing coalition of undermining democracy, weakening the Supreme Court, and attempting to interfere with Netanyahu's ongoing corruption trial.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so that's the same as here, where it's not about like, are you pro-gay marriage or not, or are you pro, like, peace with Palestine or not, that's just people taking power.

• 1:30:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  And so that goes beyond the right or left, and just go, no, no, that's an overstep.

• 1:30:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's...

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  But, anyway.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  It's fucked. It's fucked, because it's not gonna get any better.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  And they've destroyed Gaza. Gaza's just a wasteland now. I mean, someone posted recent video of Gaza, like, what it looked like now, like, right now. They sent a drone, or something, to get video footage of what Gaza looks like, and it's crazy. It's crazy. It looks like they dropped a nuke. They just did it slowly. Instead of dropping one nuke, they did thousands of fucking conventional bombs, and did the kind of destruction that a nuke would do.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  It's interesting if you ask people how polarizing everybody got or polarized, and you couldn't just be like, ah, any suffering's wrong. But like, I could show you a dead baby, and a lot of people would go, well, I gotta know what their last name is first, before I can tell you if I feel bad or not.

• 1:31:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  Instead of just like, that's, I don't know, clearly wrong.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  I know, that's what's so dark about it.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Gaza's so dark. And then if you talk about like, what's happening in Gaza, people say, whoa, October 7th shouldn't have happened. Like, okay, you're right, it shouldn't have, but guess what? Those kids that live in Gaza, they didn't do October 7th. They didn't do it, so...

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Like, well, they're on their team, it's like, ah, dude.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  What we did to Iran, what if Iran nukes New York City? Those kids that live in the Bronx, they had nothing to do with what happened in Iran. So like, is that okay? Like, what are we talking about?

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  It's all a mess.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking nuts. It's... Tribal warfare is fucking bananas, and it's still going on in 2026.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Well, I was talking to people, when I knew, like, cousins and stuff in the military, and they had just gotten out. And they were like, we're all now, this is before October 7th, it's a few years before, maybe 2018. They're like, we're talking now because we have the internet now. And we're like, this isn't sustainable and we don't want to keep doing this. We gotta start figuring out a peace thing. And then that's all, that's all gone now.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  It's all gone.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Not only is it all gone, but now that they've started bombing Lebanon, everybody's really terrified because they're like, well, where is this going? Because they're bombing Christian villages in Lebanon. And there were, there's video of them destroying these solar panels that these Christian villages have in Lebanon. Where they're just plowing over and using like tractors to take down these solar panels.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  Part of it goes to like.

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  This isn't the military, like, what are you doing?

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it still goes back to like Wesley Clark, if I got that right.

• 1:32:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the seven countries.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  The seven countries and Iran was on there.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  And we just hadn't gotten there yet.

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  But that was always like, that's not a new thing, that was just in the works for a couple of decades, just waiting for the time is right.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they wanted to do it within five years, it took 25.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Took long.

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the Wesley Clark thing is funny because, you know, Dave Smith had a debate, debate with Coleman Hughes about that. And Coleman Hughes is like, but Wesley Clark never said he read the memo. He said someone told him about the memo, he goes, any historian would not even be able to use that.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought they said they had, they s-

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so, I think the way Coleman was describing it, but the reality is, okay, you, yeah, you might be right. Maybe because he hadn't read it, any historian would not have been able to use it in the book. But the fact that it all took place, exactly how the memo stated, that seems relevant.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  And, and that came out before, so you're like, hey, we're going to Iran soon, and then it's like, they did, Syria, they kept trying. Syria was the best to me because when, when Obama was doing it, and I don't care who's in charge, they're all doing the same shit, to me. But they go, we gotta go in there to overthrow this dictator. And then people would just come off the whole like Middle Eastern war, like, no, we're done, and so they couldn't justify it. And then they go, hey, this is insurgent group, and they're gonna get out of hand, we gotta go in and control them. And then it was like, wait, you want to go fight the guy who was fighting against Assad? And then that ended, and they go, no, we gotta take down Assad. And it's like, you really seem like you guys want to go into Syria, looking for any sort of excuse.

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  It's all crazy.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  Politics is stupid. Let's move on.

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  It's just evil. It is gross.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, your perspective is probably the healthiest. Stay out of it.

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  Stay out of it.

• 1:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Leave me alone. Fuck you. Live my life. But the thing is, like, some of it does affect your life. Like this psychedelic drugs thing.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  Okay, so in that moment where you got fucking, maybe, hopefully, shrooms legalized, you know, in an ideal world, is a very rare case of someone who can actually accomplish change. You are at a higher level than most people in terms of influence, both personally and like broadly.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

  If you got Ibogaine legalized, it would keep all these people that are addicted." He could have done that decades ago. Everyone could have done that. They've known about Ibogaine forever. And they've also known about the pill crisis forever. So, all this stuff was common knowledge amongst plenty of people. I mean, John Hopkins has been doing these studies.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  John Hopkins has a playlist for shrooms. An MDMA. They make a playlist for you.

• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

  They do?

• 1:37:30Speaker 02

  That you can like, "This is a good MDMA," or I forget which one. Shrooms playlist.

• 1:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Is it like, John Hopkins sanctioned it? Or someone who?

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, someone who works there. No, no, no, a professor. Or something like that, in the research they're doing. In the psilocybin research. It was all psilocybin, right? And not Molly?

• 1:37:46Joe Rogan?

  Hopkins was psiloc... John Hopkins was all psilocybin.

• 1:37:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, they all kind of led the way. They have a playlist that you can get. It's on Spotify.

• 1:37:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, these people have been aware of it for so long. You know, inside the John Hopkins psilocybin playlist. Wow, this is 2020.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm always amazed when my memory turns out to not be false.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Look at that guy. He looks like he's tripping. He looks like he tripped. He's like an old dude's trip ball.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  Just hug people.

• 1:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Look at his smile.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  Bill Richards.

• 1:38:11Joe Rogan?

  That guy's not working for an insurance company.

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  Losing his tie.

• 1:38:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bill Richards, look like he's tripped. Psychologist and researcher. They should put researcher in quotes.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  Psychologist, researcher, and former deadhead.

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  I think of it as nonverbal, a nonverbal support system. Sort of like a net for a trapeze artist. If all's going well, you're not even aware the net is there. You don't even hear the music. But if you start getting anxious, or if you need it, it's immediately there to provide a structure. "Oh, Bill, you trip hard."

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  When I was doing ayahuasca, this guy was like, this shaman guy was like, beating a drum very lightly. And when you come out of it, whatever, the slow like, bum, bum. It would kind of like, pull you back into it.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  Mmm, seven hour and forty minute playlist. Boy, those guys go hard.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  They make sure. Put that on loop.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Symphony of sorrowful songs. Hey, don't do that. Don't give me sorrowful songs while I'm tripping.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  You're trying to have a bad time?

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wanna hear, I wanna hear beautiful music.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  Thinking about your grandmother's death.

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  No, not grandma.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  People always ask me about mushrooms, like, is it gonna be this emotional, like, like, spiritual thing? I'm like, that's get, that gets hyped more, you're gonna laugh with your friends.

• 1:39:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  That's the main thing.

• 1:39:25Joe Rogan?

  There's gonna be, I mean, it depends on the dose, right?

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  Uh, like, a heavy dose will bring you to a very strange place.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Dude, I had a, I had the best mushroom trip of all time on this trip.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Of all time?

• 1:39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe. Maybe, maybe the first one.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  The Muhammad Ali of mushroom trips.

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it wasn't like it was crazy hard, it was just they were fresh. And it was just like, the thoughts, and it was in a, just in places where nobody really gave a fuck, so you didn't feel like you were like a drug addict.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  And just like, yeah, just seeing everything so clear. God, mushrooms fucking rule. You just see everything so clear. It kills the you in your brain.

• 1:40:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, kills the bullshit part.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so you go like, look at this behavior, and it's same as analyzing someone else's behavior or your own, there's the same.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a part of, one of the problems that comes with living a stressful life, is you get really wrapped up in yourself. Like, you're managing yourself, you're managing your thoughts, you're managing your, whatever you're trying to do. And then you think so much about you, that a thing like that can take you out of that, and you go, oh, what am I wasting my thoughts on this for? Why am I wasting my energy on this? It's so pointless. It's not helping me at all.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  And you see people, I saw my father for like, who he really is now, just like a loving, caring granddad, and they're like, oh, what a fucking cool guy, that I always saw as like, this guy who I grew up with. And then just like, man.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just like realizing like I'm doing the same stuff he did, like going, you know, starting a new life.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  He did the same shit coming to America and it's like, wow, what a, look at it separately from your father, like that's a cool guy.

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  You talked about having your father come on this podcast to talk about his experience as a Holocaust survivor.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  He would.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  How old is he now?

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  It's about to be ninety.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Still with it, though. He's not like a feeble.

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:10Joe Rogan?

  Would he do it?

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  He would do it. He loves getting the word out.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  How old was he when he was in the camps?

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  Young, single digits.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  Um, and maybe up to, I think maybe released at twelve.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, he would do it. He would love it because he works at the Holocaust Memorial as a docent or something and.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  He has a tattoo and everything?

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Does he have a tattoo?

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  He wasn't in a death camp. He was in a work camp. His, I believe, this is all shit, I believe his, my grandfather, his dad was in, was liberated from a death camp. But yeah, well, you should talk to him. He would actually love it. He loves getting the word out. I've seen him make speeches before and there's all these inner city kids from like Kansas City. You know, and then when they hear him talk, it's just this moment you realize like, oh, this isn't a story. This is like.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  His life.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a real thing.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  Like a Tila the Hun, you're like, that seems like a fictional character.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  Cause they're so removed from it and this is just at the borderline of that. Dude, he would, he would, yeah, you should do it.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  I would do it. I'd love to have him on, talk to him. It's um, it's a weird time with.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  It's a weird time.

• 1:42:12Joe Rogan?

  With anything that has anything to do with people being Jewish because.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  They conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government, the Netanyahu government and what they're doing in Gaza and what they're doing in all the other places. And it's also, it's like, it's a weird time now where people, people are enjoying questioning the numbers of people that died in the Holocaust.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  It's the internet.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  Retarded, just kinda like.

• 1:42:37Joe Rogan?

  But just like, but there is some weirdness to it and one of the weirdness to it is like, there's some photos of like Auschwitz and a lot of these other, that they took after the camps were liberated and they had people go there and they took photos of them a lot, like pretending that these people were at the camps and they weren't. They were done after the fact.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:58Joe Rogan?

  But there's also tons of videos of.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  It was only one million? What, so, so that's okay somehow? You wanna justify it in your head?

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, that's where it's weird.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  I don't know. If it was six hundred people, I'd be like, ugh.

• 1:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, it's, it's clearly there was a lot of people. It was. I don't know what the number is, but if it was six million or if it was one million or three million, it's like to catch people like nah nah, you guys said it was six like.

• 1:43:21Speaker 02

  They're also, it's the thirties and forties, so it's like, I don't know, we're guessing, we don't have the, we don't have the wherewithal, and you ask somebody in the Holocaust, they go, well, I was only in my one camp, I can't tell you what was going on in Bergen-Belsen.

• 1:43:33Joe Rogan?

  But there's people that are like equally sure that it was six million, and then there's people that are equally sure that it was like three hundred thousand or six hundred thousand, whatever the fuck they think it was, and it's like this weird argument back and forth.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  I mean, you have to see how many Jews were in Europe before and after, and there should be more. It's funny, you see like, if you have a stat like that, like separated from this, like in, uh, as in Peru, we were hiking Machu Picchu, you know, Neil.

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we gotta talk about that.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  And, and, uh, and they're like, it's fucking pouring rain, and everybody there, they're not liberal or conservative, they just go, it's been raining earlier than it should be. And they don't know about the word climate change, they just go, we're told November first is when you plant, after that, you're in a risk, now this is mid-October, and I don't, I don't know what's up.

• 1:44:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's going to be climate change whether human beings are here or not, that's the reality of the earth. The earth's temperature and climate has never been static. And the real problem with climate change is not recognizing that human beings are having an adverse effect on the planet, because we certainly are in terms of pollution and particulate release, but that people like Al Gore and a lot of these fucking, these greenies, they're profiting off of this concept of climate change, and then also using it to clamp down on people's rights.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  There's that too, like we talked about, people taking money from a good cause, and just like, so it's like, for every good thing, they'll be like, somebody's gonna misuse it.

• 1:45:02Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  It all gets conflated.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  But then it becomes a thing where like, you know, when I had Bernie Sanders on the podcast, he was like talking about, I was like, and I said to him, I go, problem with climate change is not just that the climate is changing, because it always has, but that people are having an effect on it, because they definitely are, but it's that there's a lot of money in this whole concept of climate change.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Fake recycling that was never done.

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  Good ground landfills, it's all landfills.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  But it's better than nothing, like, no, it's equal to nothing.

• 1:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all, not only that, but you fucking made people feel like they were doing good by throwing their fucking water bottles in a blue thing.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  It's such an odd, it's just, it's, it's all kinda crazy, but.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  We're gross.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  People are gross.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  But it was cool to see people's perspectives that were like away from political and just their observations about stuff.

• 1:45:48Joe Rogan?

  Recognize that things change.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  But look, Sub-Saharan Africa used to be lush greenlands. I mean, they find, they find whale bones in Sub-Saharan Africa in the desert. In the desert, they find whale skeletons in the desert, way before there were cars.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Okay, way before there were plastic and power plants. So the, the earth's climate has never been static, but the, the, the Machu Picchu thing is, I, I really wanna go there. Um, my friend Luke Caverns, who's been on the podcast before, he's, he's studied.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  He's been three times.

• 1:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Has he really?

• 1:46:25Speaker 02

  But as a kid, that's what I meant, like.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, his family's.

• 1:46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they're like, eh, it's a one hour flight from Lima.

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  And then just take the train, but like, yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty wild. So you're saying that it wasn't even the Aztecs? Is that what you told me?

• 1:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, yeah, that's the Incas.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  Incas, Incas, Incas.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it wasn't, they, they don't think it was. They think the initial monolithic structures were, or megalithic structures, were an earlier, previously unknown civilization because the.

• 1:46:51Speaker 02

  That they took over.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  The size and scope of their structures, the way they build it, and Graham Hancock has gone over this as well, is so much different than the stuff that's on top of it. So what happens is you have this old stuff, that's enormous stones that are cut like jigsaws, right?

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:10Joe Rogan?

  And almost like it's melted, like the way it looks, it almost like.

• 1:47:13Speaker 02

  You can't put a piece of paper through it after 200 years of, of like breakdowns.

• 1:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Way more than 200 years. It's thousands of years. But the thing that's really nutty about it is that design is because when they have earthquakes, that way it won't fall off, right? It disperses the energy better as opposed to just stacking stuff on top of each other. That stuff falls, but when it's all interlocked in these weird forms, like that shit.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  That, yeah. So Che Guevara talks about it a little bit, where he goes, so Cusco. Was the gem of of South America. It was the it was the border of of the Andes where people would come in and do trade and everything. And you see this and the Christians would come in, take over and build like facades on it and put a cross on top. To be like, look what we did. We're more dominant than these people. And then an earthquake could come, facade would fall and this would just remain. Over and over and over again.

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Over again.

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  These aren't even squares. Look at it's like it's like Tetris.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's so cool. And that was on purpose. They did that because that what would survive. But if you look at the stuff above it, that's the stuff that the Incas made. So the Incas made this stuff was like, it's all just stacked. It's not as sophisticated and also not as large because they didn't have the technology. Whatever the fuck these people had.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  Look at that. Look how big that rock is.

• 1:48:23Joe Rogan?

  Huge. I mean, hundreds and thousands of tons. I mean, these things are fucking enormous. The really crazy one is the Lebanon ones. In Lebanon.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  I've been there. Wait, no, I'm Jordan. Jordan, I'm talking about is the.

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  So in Lebanon, they have these massive stone. What do they call Jamie? The trilithon stones? So there's these stones that are like more than a thousand tons. And they're like several meters above the ground placed. And then on top of them, you have these Roman structures.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  So if you see like there, like that click that where you had your cursor?

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  Town?

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Look at the size of that guy.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  And look at the size of that stone. Like, and then you see the stuff on top of it is smaller. It's not as sophisticated. And then you had the Roman. Now, the thing about the Romans is Romans had meticulous record keeping. And they talked about all the construction of all the different things they had. They don't even mention those stones. They don't mention how they mean. No, I don't think it was them. I think it was a previous civilization. Look at that fucking thing.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  Oh, bro, I'm about to. You know Nazca lines?

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  I saw him.

• 1:49:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, did you?

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I flew over him.

• 1:49:33Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how weird is that?

• 1:49:34Speaker 02

  They're so big. You can't. The pictures won't do it justice because you'll see like a road. They didn't know because from the ground level, you can't see any of it. And so they just build these roads through the desert. And so you can see a car sometimes, like so that's for perspective. And you're like, it's this dot on this giant monkey. In the middle of the desert.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  For however many hundreds of years.

• 1:49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't even know how long.

• 1:49:56Speaker 02

  They're crazy.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  And they're all like signals to something. There's all these theories on what it is.

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  From the sky. You have to see them from above.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  You can only see them from above.

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  Pilots would go over there and then somebody's like, what's that? I go, oh yeah, we don't know. We just kind of go over.

• 1:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've found a bunch of them now because of AI. You know, they've like scanned the areas and found a bunch of previously undiscovered Nazca lines.

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the weird thing about it is that's also the place where they find these people with elongated skulls. They find like these weird skulls that have additional capacity. So they have like 30% more capacity and they, they don't have the same lines in their skulls that we have, like when we're babies. You know, we have these, what are they called? Sagittal, I forget what the lines are called. Sagittal, these lines that we have in our skull, you know, like your skull's not just one piece, right? It's like, there's a bunch of pieces.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  The Incas used to tie them off so they'd get longer as a sign of like.

• 1:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but some of these skulls don't have the same structure as ours. They're human skulls, but they're longer. They have more capacity, 30% larger capacity. And they don't have those lines that we have. So it's like, what was that? Were there different kinds of humans back then?

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  Died out?

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  Were they, were they flying around? Were they flying around and making these fucking structures? Were they responsible for Saxtehuamán and Machu Picchu and all these other places? And they just died off and all we have left is like some skulls that we can't totally explain?

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  We don't have the means to explain it yet.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Right, because if, if it was 20,000 years ago or 30,000 years ago, whatever it was that these people were ruling back then. What would be left? Fucking nothing. Nothing. Very little.

• 1:51:38Speaker 02

  I mean, you look at Angkor Wat where it's like.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  If you didn't see it, it's shocking. Any of it remained.

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, Angkor Wat's crazy. And how about that other one in India where the entire temple's carved out of one stone?

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  Or, or the one in, in Jordan, the, um. See, where's the fucking?

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  What is those play, the Indiana Jones one? What's that called? That's where I went with my brother.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is that called?

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  See.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  What is it, Jimmy?

• 1:52:04Speaker 04

  Petra.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Petra. It's, it's nuts. You come through this canyon and it's just in a mountain.

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:09Speaker 02

  A giant, three-story temple that is just carved out of the mountain. It wasn't added to.

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, and where's the stone? Where'd you, where'd you put the stones? What'd you do?

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  That view, coming out of the middle one, coming out of that cavern and seeing it after about an hour hike.

• 1:52:24Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  They don't even, you have to see a human. See how small that person is in the middle?

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy.

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  So like, what?

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard of Darren Cuyu?

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  In Turkey?

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Uh-uh.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. You wanna hear this one?

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  It's a place or a person?

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's a place. So, um, I think they found this because someone was doing like, construction on a house.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  And they found a pa- oh, so this is what it was. So a guy kept losing his chickens. They would go through a hole and they would never come out. So this guy was like, well, where the fuck are these chickens going? So they broke down the wall to figure out where the chickens go. And they found an underground city that can hold twenty thousand people.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  Turkey?

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  With many, many levels.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, many levels deep into the ground.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:53:17Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking bananas.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Darren Cuyu, wow, it's like an anthill.

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  I watched a documentary, now you see-

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, where you see the way, where you, uh, could you please go back to that one image with the houses? Yeah, like that. Like, so this guy, it was like, behind a fucking wall in a house. So these chickens would go into the hole and they would, they would just disappear. So it's like, where's my fucking chickens? So the guy starts digging around to try to figure out where the chickens go and they found this. And I wanna say they found this in like, the twentieth century, like, so-

• 1:53:51Speaker 04

  Twenty, I think it was the twenties, I just saw.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen twenties.

• 1:53:55Speaker 04

  Like twenty nine maybe.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  Wow, so no, they forgot about it?

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Nobody knew about it. Nobody knew who made it. There was no record of it. And it's, it can, it can house twenty thousand people in there.

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  What was it for?

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  No one knows. No one knows when, no one knows who, no one knows nothing. There's other ones they found in China. They found this fucking insane one in China that also has no records. It's enormous, like enormous caverns with giant columns. It's all carved out of the stone. They, they moved millions of tons of rocks out of there. No record. No one knows where the stone went.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  I'm staying with the Lakandans, Mayans, whatever. And we were on a hike and there was this little like abandoned temple just the size of this room. And so the guide was like, so now there's a tunnel in here to like the main temple. It's about a mile and a half away. And there's a tunnel where you can go through it. It takes a couple hours to walk.

• 1:54:50Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:54:51Speaker 02

  And he goes, he had my brother once. He goes, I'll never go back. It's so frightening and there's fucking pumas around and you don't know.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  Pumas in the tunnel?

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're like, you can't see shit. He goes, it's a bad place, but it's this long underground tunnel that was made however long. What the fuck?

• 1:55:06Joe Rogan?

  This is the one in China.

• 1:55:06Speaker 04

  This is one of the caves.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  So this is one of these caves in China. By the way, no record, no historical record of when it was created or who created it.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  They put up, wow.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  And this is another one that they found. In nineteen ninety-two, they found it. Four farmers in Long Yu found the caves and they drained the water from five small ponds in their village. The ponds turned out to be five large man-made caverns. Further investigation revealed nineteen more caverns nearby. They've been determined to be more than two thousand years old and their construction is not recorded in any historical documents. Like, look how crazy. Please show some of those images.

• 1:55:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was still on this page.

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  Fucking bananas. So they're just guessing that it's two thousand years old. They don't know.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Right, right. They're just like.

• 1:55:50Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's no record. There's no record of it, but it's bananas. And they've also, those carvings, they think are post.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  Later people.

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  Came in.

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Post-discovery.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  That's their way of doing.

• 1:56:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because you see how like those lines on the walls, that's how everything looks. It's just those carved straight lines. And it looks like the other stuff was like more modern that they carved.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  You think those lines are so that the erosion wouldn't hurt it as much?

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, that might have been how they did it. They might have had some sort of a device that they carved the stone out with. But the thing is, it's like.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Where's this on a map? Show me where Longyue is on a map.

• 1:56:25Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:56:27Speaker 02

  I want to visit a lot of China.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 1:56:29Speaker 02

  There's a lot of places in there that I'm like, don't know about.

• 1:56:32Joe Rogan?

  China's a big ass place, huh?

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  Back out, back out. China's so big.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Longyue Caverns.

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  Keep going back.

• 1:56:39Joe Rogan?

  Do, do, do.

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  Keep going back.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Do, do, do.

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  Let me see the context.

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Do, do, do. Oh my god.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  That's pretty deep in there.

• 1:56:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Good luck.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Good luck.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  It's near Wuhan. Look.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Take a train to Wuhan, catch a bug.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, go eat some armadillo.

• 1:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Pangolin.

• 1:56:54Speaker 02

  Pangolin. That's how you got leprosy, eating armadillo and pangolin. You're really not supposed to eat those things.

• 1:56:58Joe Rogan?

  Go back to the images, please. The images are nuts, man. It's like, what were these people doing? Like, who made this?

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  I love standing in a place like that, and just like, you just instantly get connected to the history of it.

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  Could you imagine it's 1992 and you're just draining a pond? You're a farmer. And then you drain the pond and you go, oh, there's a lot of cave in here.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  Hoping to find some nickels.

• 1:57:23Joe Rogan?

  And you go and you see this shit. And no one knows who made it. And China, again, China has extensive historical records. Because China has existed for thousands and thousands of years. It's one of the few countries that's essentially been just China for 5,000-plus years. Bananas, man.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  Aquarium for real dragons.

• 1:57:47Speaker 04

  They had to keep them somewhere.

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, who made it and how did they make it? Like, how did they do that?

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  And for what?

• 1:57:55Joe Rogan?

  For what purpose? How did they make that 2,000-plus years? And by saying 2,000, it's like, you're just...

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  2,000 means, so there's a Joan Didion or a piece on El Salvador from a long time ago, and she goes, "They don't use numbers the way we use numbers." They say 50, it means a bunch.

• 1:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like 72 virgins.

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, just a bunch, an amount, yeah.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, bro, he went there a million times.

• 1:58:22Speaker 02

  Tons of, tons of, like, what is a ton?

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, I smoked tons of joints.

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  That's not possible.

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  Break it down.

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  So, Perplexity, our AI sponsor, says, "No one knows for certain who created the Longyue caves. Archaeologists agree they are man-made and probably over 2,000 years old, but there's no record of their builders or patrons." That's crazy, dude.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  That is so cra- oh, pottery and other finds inside date roughly to the late Qin or Western Han period, around 200 BCE, suggesting they were excavated at or before that time. But the thing is that pottery-

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  They were in there then.

• 1:58:56Joe Rogan?

  But that pottery could have been someone who just left pottery later. Like, it's like, if you leave behind a cellphone in Egypt and 5,000 years from now, people say, "Oh, well, this is an iPhone 16. This must be from-"

• 1:59:07Speaker 02

  But that means it has to be at least that old or older.

• 1:59:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, at least that old or older. So it's at least 2,000-plus years old. But how crazy is that there's no known records?

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  Should go in quick and just bury some, like, shit from a long time ago. Get some artifacts and just leave it in there.

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  How much shit like that is still out there in other parts of the world where they don't know about it and no one's found it yet?

• 1:59:28Speaker 02

  Well, it's like this tunnel that that Mayan guy said. He was like, "Yeah, no one knows. No one knows." He goes, "Me and my friends know about it."

• 1:59:32Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  So it's just like everywhere.

• 1:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were talking about the Aztecs, about how the Aztecs, and this is another thing that I found out through perplexity, when I was just, I was writing this thing about Mexico and about how crazy the history of Mexico is. And, you know, that the Spaniards came over with essentially like 12 muskets and took over the whole country. But when they, when the Aztecs were living in these temples, they didn't build them. They called them the place where the gods were born. So they found them. So there's a previous civilization that like Teotihuacan, Teochitlan and all these other beautiful pyramids and temples. They don't know who fucking made them there.

• 2:00:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:00:12Joe Rogan?

  So they don't know who made them. That cave in Vietnam was found in 1991. Oh, I saw the 60 Minutes thing on that. Did you see that?

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  Look at that.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  That dude from 60 Minutes, like, a dude and a lady from 60 Minutes went and visited this cave. And I was like, that-

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Looks haunted as fuck.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  That's one cool thing about something like 60 Minutes, that they would do something like that. Because it's a long journey.

• 2:00:34Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:00:35Joe Rogan?

  You have to fly in, drive a long distance, then hike a long distance.

• 2:00:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, some of these places aren't any, nothing's there.

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  You can fit skyscrapers inside of these caves.

• 2:00:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  They have their own ecosystems. Like, there's clouds in there. It probably fucking rains inside the cave.

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  There's insects, there's animals that live in these caves that have over time lost their ability to see because they didn't need it. So their, their hearing goes up, their sight goes down. There's like bugs in like Thailand and like Sappong and places like that where it's like, oh yeah, these places, these, these animals only exist here.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  They hear you breathe and leap up.

• 2:01:05Speaker 04

  Salamander in Barton Creek Springs.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, special salamander.

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really? It only lives there?

• 2:01:11Speaker 04

  It's a hippie salamander that got mixed with weird people swimming in the creek, yeah.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, whoa.

• 2:01:16Speaker 02

  They survive on chicks with arm hair. That's only able to survive here in East Austin.

• 2:01:21Joe Rogan?

  Hippie menstrual cycles. Yeah, I was doing bottom of the barrel last night and somebody brought up that there's like, there's nude beaches at Lake Travis. And I'm like, what is it like?

• 2:01:30Speaker 02

  Barton Springs.

• 2:01:32Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 2:01:32Speaker 02

  Barton's topless.

• 2:01:33Speaker 04

  You know, when you take a, well, maybe, but yeah.

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 2:01:35Speaker 04

  When you take one of those boat rides out.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Chicks, they show the...

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Bro, it's nice.

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Nice?

• 2:01:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Nice?

• 2:01:40Speaker 02

  It's nice.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Hippie tits?

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Hippie, some of them have gross hippie tits, but some of them are like real tits, dude.

• 2:01:45Speaker 04

  Real ones.

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  Influencers go there too.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like girls who do too much ayahuasca and they wear wooden beads and they want their tits out?

• 2:01:51Speaker 02

  Dude, so I was in, I was in Patagonia where I was a...

• 2:01:54Speaker 04

  Hippie Hollow Park. 4.6 stars. That's a lot, man.

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  I was asking people, it was a, it was a rafting thing, and I was like, who's the worst? I always try to do this, especially at comedy clubs too. Who's the worst person you've ever had here?

• 2:02:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  So there's like, which country, which people are the worst? And they go, I don't know. I'm like, listen, I'm from Jews, so you can, it's Jews, right? And they go, I mean, they want freebies for sure. But like, uh, we're trying to get which, which country's worst. And he goes, well, the worst overall though is influencers. And they have no country, but they make everything about them. They make you pause too long to take their shots. They make you get out of their shot.

• 2:02:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  We're all just trying to raft. They think they're there for them.

• 2:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Ugh.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  One of the influencers got arrested in Korea. Johnny Somali, do you know who that guy is? He was in Korea and apparently they have some statue that is about,

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  I think it's something about sex slavery or something like that. So he was like kissing the statue and being rude to people and they just sentenced him to, he did a bunch of shit over there. They sentenced him to six months of hard labor in Korea.

• 2:02:58Speaker 02

  We need some of that here for influencers. Quit doing fucking selfie talking on the, while you're walking. You're not a black lady. You don't get to talk to your phone.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Black ladies get to talk to their phone?

• 2:03:10Speaker 02

  Oh, they love speakerphone.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Why do they do it like that?

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  It used to be a-

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  It's just black ladies, like, "Dad, it's a ma- da-da-da-da-da", and it's like-

• 2:03:18Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think they like that?

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  Why did they like it? They want everyone to hear their conversation. Maybe because their fucking nails will cut up their face if they bring it too close.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  I'm trying to think of possible reasons.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  It is weird where like, certain cultures gravitate towards certain behavior and activities.

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  It's new racism, it's fun, because it's like, this isn't in the books. This is a brand new observation.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Speakerphone is like, I remember being outside of Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles, and saying like, "How many, how come so many black guys are on speakerphone", and people are like, "That's racist", I'm like, "No, it's not",

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  No, it's a racial observation.

• 2:03:50Joe Rogan?

  Observing-

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not mad at them.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't care. Like, why is it worse that I hear both sides of the conversation versus one side? Like, if someone's just talking on the phone, why is that less offensive than someone talking to a speakerphone?

• 2:04:05Speaker 02

  Why do the Hasidic Jews always talk on flip phones all the time? And you're like, "There's something up", or what?

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Do they?

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some where it's like, why did the- People used to ask me that when I would do Jew and As, when I was doing the Jew Hour, building it. So they'd ask questions. Doing the check drops, I'd be like, "Ask questions", and I would build my material that way.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's smart.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  But, one of them was like, "Why do they all wear matching clothes, the daughters", or like, if the one's 10, one's 8, why do they wear matching stuff? That's the only one I couldn't figure out, until I finally figured it out. It's, uh, two-for-one sales.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  United threatens to kick off passengers who don't use headphones.

• 2:04:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, good!

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, that's because people are like, listening to like, loud YouTube videos right next to that.

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  Bro, all over South America.

• 2:04:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:04:44Speaker 02

  It is. Scroll Instagram videos loudly. There's no even thought- We were on an overnight bus once, and there was a guy listening to like, Best Hollywood Screams. And it was like, "Dude, we're sleeping!"

• 2:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  It's crazy, they just don't do it, and you want to be like, be quiet, but they're like, "Why? It's not part of our culture."

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like the Dominican Pool Hall.

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, this is how we do it.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  That is used to the chaos. It is weird that like people get used to a certain amount of chaos, you know?

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  And that's just normal.

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  New York is a normal jackhammer, it's like, nothing.

• 2:05:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if you live in New York, you're totally accustomed to that. Oh, that was what I wanted to send you, Jamie. I don't know, maybe I did send it to you the other day about where they figured out that there's a part of your brain that recognizes when birds aren't chirping.

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:05:31Joe Rogan?

  And you, you kind of freak out.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Cause there should be some background noise.

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, if the birds aren't chirping, it generally means that predators are nearby.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  Their brain has a circuit that doesn't know you live in a city. Its only job is to monitor whether birds are still singing.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Right now in this room, it's on. The circuit predates primates. Whoa. Mammals have been using ambient soundscape continually as a predator detection system for roughly 200 million years. Birds stop singing when something larger moves through their territory. For most of the mammalian history, the forest full of song meant that no large predator was nearby and the cessation of sound was the warning. Your nervous system never updated this software.

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  A loud quiet, and you're like, something's up.

• 2:06:17Joe Rogan?

  The Max Planck Institute tested the inverse in 2022 with 295 participants. Six minutes of bird song dropped anxiety with a medium effect size. Six minutes of traffic noise raised depression with the same. The effect worked on subjects who lived in dense urban environments and had no regular contact with nature. The brain still ran the check.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  I, listen, I'm a hippie, I live in New York, and it's like, I gotta get to nature once in a while or I'll go crazy.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  That's why we have to protect the parks.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  That's why we have to protect the parks.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  We have to. Tomorrow. Tomorrow we're protecting the park.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Tomorrow we are.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's back.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  Fucking this new guy. Listen, I'm a one-issue voter. I'm not a voter at all.

• 2:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Mamadani?

• 2:07:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's, it's this, we saved another park, Elizabeth Street Gardens. Classical park, and they go, no, the other guy was like, we gotta tear this down for low-income housing. And then Lower East Side and the East Village, that's a community-oriented place. They take care of shit on their own. Always have. They made the, it's a parks district because they were like, these buildings collapsed and they're just like, let's build it into parks. And then the city, when it came back, they're like, let's take those back. Like, no, no, no, fuck that, we made these. East River Park's massive, but Elizabeth Street Gardens is tiny. And the other guy, the black guy, whatever his name was.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Eric Adams.

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  Eric Adams. He goes, I'm gonna protect that park and I'm gonna protect all the parks. Parks got nicer. They redid them all and they painted all the benches. I liked them. And, um, and he goes, okay, so this community goes, we will find you another place to build low income housing. And they did. They had this whole platform and they go, we can do it on this block, down the street there and there. It's actually more houses than you were planning on building. Okay. And now this fucking new guy goes, no, we're gonna raise that to the ground.

• 2:08:06Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  And like, no, no, we did it. We found another place.

• 2:08:09Joe Rogan?

  I thought he was for the people.

• 2:08:10Speaker 02

  They keep trying to get him to like, just say you're gonna protect it. And he's pretty much like, I won't. I won't. Elizabeth Street Gardens is fucking gone if I have my say.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And like, dude, come on. You're supposed to be of the people. What? Again, a single issue voter. I don't know about the rest. You gotta protect that park.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  So do you think that there's some sort of a financial interest?

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  Someone's getting, someone's always getting this. Someone's always getting that.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  You would not think it would be him. He's a democratic socialist.

• 2:08:38Speaker 02

  There's a non-capitalist reason why green spaces are important.

• 2:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:43Speaker 02

  It doesn't bring in money. They try to fuck up with this one. They tried to fuck this one up.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Zilker?

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, with underground like garages and stuff and like totally redoing it. The people won. So it didn't happen. But like, there is a thing that helps all of our level of life, level of joy.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Central Park is a genius idea.

• 2:09:02Speaker 02

  They would never do that now if it wasn't already done.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I would, we were talking about this with Brian Simpson. I was like, if I lived in New York City, if something happened and I had to do J R E from New York City.

• 2:09:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  I would have to live near the park. Cause I would have to have my dog. I'm not gonna get rid of my dog.

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:16Joe Rogan?

  So if I'd have to take, I'd just have to like have a place where I 100% were able to take, I'd have a routine where I'm taking him to the park every day.

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  Central Park rules. And you see somebody playing saxophone and you feel like you're in a Woody Allen movie.

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Central Park's incredible. It's so big too. When you stay in a hotel that like looks over the park, you really get a sense of the scope. The size of it.

• 2:09:39Speaker 02

  Fly over it.

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Scale of it is incredible. It's so, and by the way, they would love to sell that off.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:46Joe Rogan?

  And just start stacking it up. Make it look like China. You know, like one of those big cities that they have over there.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  They are important to our way of life.

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's good for your dome, obviously. It's good for the fucking mind.

• 2:09:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  It's healthy. But even Central Park, it's like, it's not as good as like, real wilderness.

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Real wilderness is better.

• 2:10:04Speaker 02

  Central Park will buy me two days of sanity. I gotta get to the actual woods and then I get a week or two.

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Central Park will balance you out.

• 2:10:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:11Joe Rogan?

  It'll balance you out. Like, it's way better than no s- and it seems like people are cooler there. Like, every time I've been in Central Park, people seem like a little nicer. Like, like, if you run into people on Broadway, they don't seem as nice as people that you run into in Central Park.

• 2:10:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not this fucking.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  There's also that thing with like, hey, no smoking in here. Like, I'm really sorry. And then you put it out, like, I'll light it up as soon as you're gone, but like.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  You can't smoke in Central Park?

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  You do, but weed, but cigarettes, I get more mad at. But also, like, yeah, if I got a cigar and I'm with a friend, I'm smoking.

• 2:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I could see how that would annoy people.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  Sure, but also chill.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  But you can walk down the street in New York and smoke a cigarette, right?

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  Store joint, yeah.

• 2:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's still weird to me when I see a black guy on a stoop rolling a joint, and I'm like, what are you doing?

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  That's illegal.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  You're gonna go to jail, but it's right, I know, it's totally legal.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, now it's different nationwide, because Trump just changed it to Schedule III. Again, this is something that Obama could have done, Biden could have done, Clinton could have done.

• 2:11:07Speaker 02

  Trump won could have done it.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Trump won could have done it, yeah, and now it's Schedule III, which is still not good. I mean, it should be

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  Moving up.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  just like alcohol, but at least it's getting close. It's getting close.

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  Dude, I had moments out there of nature where, like, you're in the middle of nowhere and you really do feel rejuvenated like that.

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  Where you're like, you're not even, it's not even hiking culture, so it's like, you're not passing anyone.

• 2:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:29Speaker 02

  For hours and hours and hours.

• 2:11:31Joe Rogan?

  You're at peace.

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  You're just at peace.

• 2:11:33Joe Rogan?

  And whatever that thing is that they've just discovered about birds.

• 2:11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  There's a similar thing that you, your body recognizes when you're actually in real nature. It feels different. There's no cellphone signal.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  The gra- you know anything about grounding?

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:11:47Speaker 02

  What's your, what's your take on it?

• 2:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, Huberman believes it's a real thing, and so I always trust Huberman.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Because he's very objective about all this kind of stuff.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Electromagnetic waves coming off the ground that you need to get in touch with. It does feel good.

• 2:12:00Joe Rogan?

  When I take the dogs out in the yard and I walk around barefoot, it feels good. I mean, I'm just judging it based on how it makes me feel.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  It's like that word tree hugger got a bad rap, but it's like, it comes from like, touch that, they're in the ground, so you're connected to the ground.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Probably comes from people that were tripping balls. Cause if you're tripping balls, those trees hug you back.

• 2:12:17Speaker 02

  I've been there, yeah.

• 2:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Those trees hug you back. They talk to you.

• 2:12:20Speaker 02

  Put your face on it.

• 2:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Hello, Ari.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  You could feel the cells.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm an oak tree. I've been here for 300 years. I've been here before this was America.

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty wild.

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  When I go to the mountains, especially like the elk hunting mountains, because it's so, it's so hard to get there. And when you get there, there's no cellphone service. And when you're up there, you feel different.

• 2:12:44Speaker 02

  You just feel different.

• 2:12:45Joe Rogan?

  You feel better.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  You really do.

• 2:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Feel more relaxed.

• 2:12:47Speaker 02

  Dude, my brain was firing in a way that it hadn't fired in so long. It was just like all the, the shit holding you down, just like pulled off. And after not very much time, it was just like, just thoughts, creative thoughts were just like pouring out of me.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  So you, in the six months you were gone, no, um, social media, no, nothing?

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  I took, I took YMH's, on a piece of paper, a couple of people from YMH's, um, emails. I got two months ahead on my ads and my podcast on You Be Tripping. So I'm like, you guys are set for two months. You don't need me. And then after.

• 2:13:24Joe Rogan?

  So did you record a bunch of episodes in advance?

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  A year's worth. I did my work.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, that's crazy.

• 2:13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all evergreen episodes.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  How did you do that?

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  Worked, I, one, worked hard, two, loved hearing about travel. I love it. So like, it wasn't much work for me to come in and be like, tell me about Cambodia. Tell me about Thailand. Tell me about Taiwan. Tell me about, you know, Uruguay.

• 2:13:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's how I feel about podcasting in general.

• 2:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, you like it. You'll have here or there, like this guy was sucked. I wish I should have stayed home. But generally like, that's really interesting.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  So I love it and I just got way ahead. It's funny when I, like Danny Polacek, I put out an episode, he goes, did we do like two years ago? Like, I wasn't time yet. I don't know.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  Or I'll save it for if a comic has a special, like, let's just record it now. In nine months, you'll have a special.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  How many do you have banked?

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  Through July, still.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:16Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. So how many did you do a week?

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  Sometimes none, sometimes, sometimes like six or seven. I was very.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:14:23Speaker 02

  On You Be Tripping, dude, I was, I, I see every mistake I made for the skeptic tank and I was like, let's avoid that.

• 2:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, what kind of mistakes are you making?

• 2:14:30Speaker 02

  So like, minimum of effort on my part technologically. So I, YMH is my Jamie.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:14:36Speaker 02

  Here's the footage, handle.

• 2:14:38Joe Rogan?

  By the way, settle down, because they're not.

• 2:14:40Speaker 02

  They're my version of Jamie.

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  This is the only, this is the GOAT.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  Well, I have fifteen people doing one Jamie job.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the problem. Like, when people talk about, like, who should I hire? I'm like,

• 2:14:49Speaker 02

  Well, I have one guy.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what to tell you. You need a guy on the spectrum.

• 2:14:53Speaker 02

  But, yeah, but I did, I did that. I just kept, and sometimes I'd be like, two, two a day for four straight days. And, and any comic who goes, hey, I'm sorry, I'm busy, I'm like, buddy, let's reschedule. This isn't supposed to be stressful.

• 2:15:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  Let's do it when we have time. There's no, chill, no big deal.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  That's the way to do it.

• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  And, um, and when you're ahead, you can afford a week with nothing. And it wasn't like, I gotta find someone, we gotta do this now. Ah, that's out.

• 2:15:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:16Speaker 02

  That's out. All the music choices I used to make, I'm like, that's a lot of work.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, the music thing is, the problem is, like, you get flagged now. Like, we used to be able to play music on YouTube all the time, and now everything gets flagged. You gotta be real careful. We used to play songs almost every episode.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Full song?

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When there was nothing, when, when the show made zero money.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Wild West. It was so fun. You're actually making a fun thing. It was so outlaw. It's a little more corporate now, which is sad, but also, all right, it helps people a lot more now. But, man, podcasting was just do whatever the fuck you want.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were at the early, early days. Like, when I started this thing, it was two thousand and nine. It's almost twenty years old. Which is so nuts.

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  Have you figured out a way to monetize it yet?

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Not yet. I'm working on it. I was, I think I'm gonna sell rubber pussies.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  You were for a bit. You were for a bit. And you're like,

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  That was my first sponsor.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Only sponsor. I don't need another one. We're good.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  It was funny, because Sam Harris was like, one of the, his requests when he first did my podcast.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  Please don't mention pussies.

• 2:16:17Joe Rogan?

  He wouldn't, wouldn't let me do an ad for the Fleshlight. I said, okay, okay, it doesn't matter. Like, it's not like it's paying a lot of money. It was just fun, more than anything.

• 2:16:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but so I would, I would wait, so after two months, I'd go, hey, um, I need the next months of ads. And I would say, one day, I would just do all the ads and the bumpers, like, this guy's got a new special, here's his tour dates. I'd find a waterfall or something and I'd do it in a fun place.

• 2:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just like, let's do it fun. If I can do remote, let's be remote.

• 2:16:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. How did you do it? Do you do it video as well?

• 2:16:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, iPhone.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  So just-

• 2:16:51Speaker 02

  Jamie told me this a long time ago. My first trip to Southeast Asia, I was like, hey, I need a pocket camera. Like, what's the best? And he was like, bro, you're not gonna wanna hear this. It's the iPhone.

• 2:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:59Speaker 02

  It's the best one.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Or a Galaxy. Like, any modern cellphone.

• 2:17:02Speaker 02

  It's 2017, but yeah.

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  Any modern cellphone, the video's fucking incredible.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Stabilizers.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the video stabilization's amazing. And all you do is you set it up on a little tripod and it'll go for fucking hours.

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'll put it on a tree far away. I did one for a Danny Brown episode in like Sucre, Bolivia, in front of the Statue of Sucre.

• 2:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:17:24Speaker 02

  And it's just like-

• 2:17:24Joe Rogan?

  You guys were in Bolivia?

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  I was everywhere.

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:17:27Speaker 02

  Dude, I saw inauguration for the first president they had in 20 years.

• 2:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Where?

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  In Sucre, in Bolivia.

• 2:17:33Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  They had the old guy-

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Who was running things for 20 years?

• 2:17:37Speaker 02

  Okay, a crazy dude that everyone hated. He said farming is more important than industry here. So we should give the farmers two votes, per person. And the cities get one. Now, they also run the media there. So everyone in the farmlands, in the, you know, the heartland, they didn't see any of the problems.

• 2:17:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  And city shit. So they'll go, I don't know, everything on the radio says the guy's doing a great job. Let's vote him in again. He's doing a great- I listen to the radio. The guy's doing a great job. And everyone in the city's like, oh, no, he's lying.

• 2:18:11Speaker 02

  So everything went to shit 20 years. Like, well, let's turn on the radio again. Let's turn on like Trump, Trump news and see what Trump is saying about Trump. It's gonna be pretty good.

• 2:18:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, there I am.

• 2:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Is this the video?

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  I pretend to be talking my cellphone because it's so embarrassing. So I pretend to be talking my phone, but I just have a cordless mic.

• 2:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Is Danny still sober?

• 2:18:36Speaker 02

  I think he's back on We, but like, yeah, he's off.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  The alcohol was the issue.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Last time we did a podcast, he got obliterated.

• 2:18:43Speaker 02

  He's sober.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Good for him.

• 2:18:46Speaker 02

  He's doing great.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

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• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  And right now, get 10% off at Tacovas.com/Rogan when you sign up for email and text. Bolivia, is there like, there was always Bolivian marching powder. It was what, when I was a kid, what do people would call cocaine?

• 2:20:32Speaker 02

  Interesting. The salt flats were really cool there.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:35Speaker 02

  Just like miles and miles of salt fields.

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  Oh, there's me and O'Neal in Peru.

• 2:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at you guys with your stupid hats on.

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would just try to find weird spots and like, I don't know, let's just film something.

• 2:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Why were you wearing those hats?

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  It's Peru, those are the alpaca hats that keep you warm.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I went hunting, my first time hunting, I wore those hats.

• 2:20:55Speaker 02

  They're great.

• 2:20:56Joe Rogan?

  And Steve Rennello was saying, that's a very left, left-wing hat. I'm like, why?

• 2:21:00Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Why is it left-wing? It's warm.

• 2:21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, what?

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  So I don't know about your hat. I'm like, what's wrong with my hat? Leave it alone, I'm about to kill something.

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  Steve, chill, I'm about to murder something.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  I killed that deer with that fucking, my left-wing hat on.

• 2:21:12Speaker 02

  But that's all I would do. I'd just weigh in once in a while, get my month's worth of stuff, and then go back to disappearing. And I'm telling you, buddy, my brain was so alive. I would just like, you just don't realize what you're dealing with responsibility was all the time. And then when you have none, it's like you just kind of be yourself. I came up with this whole, my storytelling shows out. I came up with this whole, like, how to frame it all, how to do everything. I had a vision of like, this prologue that I want to bridge the gap. It's called The End. It's out now.

• 2:21:42Joe Rogan?

  And this is-

• 2:21:43Speaker 02

  R R Shapiro dot com.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  And then, did you film all that with, uh, Your Mom's House Studios as well?

• 2:21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nice.

• 2:21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  They might be the only group like that that's actually good.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Tom was like, "How much do you have?" I'm like, "I have about eighty percent of it." And he goes, "I'll put in the rest. I'll supply all the, all the people you need to make it happen."

• 2:22:03Speaker 02

  And then he's not a network.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:22:04Speaker 02

  It's Segura, and he's a fucking dirtbag. So he's like, "Say whatever you want." Um, there's no censoring when it's Segura, you know?

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also like, Tom has made so much money that he's out. You know what I mean? He'll do whatever the fuck he wants.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:15Joe Rogan?

  You can't stop him. He's gonna do whatever he wants now.

• 2:22:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice. Look at all these episodes. Miss Pat, the Stefano. Look at that.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  Duncan did a great one.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:22:26Speaker 02

  Bobby Shane.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Shane, Bobby Kelly, Big J.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, we made the show again.

• 2:22:31Joe Rogan?

  Nate Bargatze.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  And then there's prologues. It's, it's something I, I had a vision of this on that mushroom trip.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:22:38Speaker 02

  About how to frame, like, what happened to this not happening, and what is this thing now, and how to like, go through it. And then, then I talked to a bunch of artists while I was gone, and some made pitches, and this guy, this guy William Child, he actually did a Danny Brown video. He's just, "Shit, I don't want to ruin this."

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you film these?

• 2:22:54Speaker 02

  The Box in New York City.

• 2:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Mmm.

• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  A place where Chappelle would have his comedian balls.

• 2:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Let's get that gay outfit.

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  The Gay Outfit Show is from, do you remember a show called This Is Not Happening?

• 2:23:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:23:05Speaker 02

  They did, completely, legally unrelated to this new show. You can say whatever you want, but I cannot. But, um, but, uh, that was a comedian telling stories in a strip club. This is a strip club with comedians telling stories.

• 2:23:20Speaker 02

  I, the first year, they go, hey, you gotta, you gotta wear the same outfit every day. And I go, no, that's fake. They go, no, but we gotta mismatch days, so we gotta do it.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, why? Is anybody gonna tune out because they see you?

• 2:23:31Speaker 02

  No, it'll be like, it's weird, suddenly you're hosting a different thing. So I'd start wearing ridiculous suits I made in Hong Kong. You know?

• 2:23:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  And then my final year, I had this Indian outfit picked out. That I went and, uh, and sourced in LA and had this cool Indian outfit.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Alright, now it's cool. I thought it was gay.

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  And I saved it for seven or eight years. But that show got taken away from me. I was like, I'm saving, if I ever do this again, I'm wearing this fucking outfit out of respect to, to overcoming.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  Those days were very fascinating. The, the, the days where Comedy Central's trying to force you into doing a Comedy Central special, but you had a deal with Netflix. And even though it was completely legal and contractually legal for you to do a comedy special with Netflix, Comedy Central was strong-arming you into doing it on Comedy Central and canceled your fucking show

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  because you wouldn't do a special with them. So you had a successful show on, people wanna know how gross Hollywood can get?

• 2:24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Ari had a successful show that was doing very well on Comedy Central, and they canceled it because he wouldn't do a comedy special on Comedy Central.

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  Cause I made, I paid for my, it was one of the early ones, paid for my own special.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:24:42Speaker 02

  And then it said, I gotta figure out where it's going. And they go, it should be here. And I go, no, no. I don't think it should. It's also, it was a double special and it was like, it needs to be on a streamer more than a network. And then I was like, no, I'm going to Netflix. And yeah, and then they were like, let's go blackmail then. It's crazy. I get it from their perspective.

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't.

• 2:25:01Speaker 02

  They're like, hey, we can't be losing power. And they never really, they always thought it was an open mic.

• 2:25:05Joe Rogan?

  But it's, it was not losing power because the reality is, that would just bring more people to the Comedy Central show.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  And Netflix back then was so much bigger to do a special. When I did that 2017 special on Netflix, I was the mayor of New York for like three weeks. Everywhere I'd go, I'd bike at a red light, three people would recognize you. It was a different time for specials then. And of course, that was the biggest thing. I'm gonna do that.

• 2:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, there's, it's still pretty big. Netflix is.

• 2:25:30Speaker 02

  It's still pretty big, but not Jew.

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Comedy specials.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  They picked it up.

• 2:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right. They picked up Jew.

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's on Netflix right now.

• 2:25:36Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so people ask me with this show, like, why didn't you go to Netflix, or like, I'm like, dude, networks killed me.

• 2:25:44Joe Rogan?

  Not only that.

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  I don't want, I, I, not that it just goes straight to the people on this one.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Why do it? It's like, there's no reason to at this point, especially like Comedy Central doesn't even exist anymore. That's what's nuts.

• 2:25:55Speaker 02

  It was a wild time. You said you would host for free.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:59Speaker 02

  I was on the phone with you crying. I was like, hearing it that they're taking it away in the moment.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Tell them I will host it for free, because you were gonna take out a loan to pay off all this, all the crew. Because all the crew had signed on for, you know, X amount of episodes and it was gonna cost them money. And you were like, I'm trying to figure out a way to keep us on the air. I go, tell Comedy Central I will host it for free.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  You were already, it was, it was 2017. This podcast was already going.

• 2:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it was huge by then. But it was number one in 2019 is when it started being number one. But it was probably.

• 2:26:31Speaker 02

  It was pretty big.

• 2:26:32Joe Rogan?

  Top four.

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  You were, had pedigree on the show. You'd done two stories, one you liked, one you hated. But the one you liked was a great story.

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  That's a great one.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  That's a great story, Duluth, Alabama.

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  Um, and I was like, oh, he's part of the show. This kind of goes. If someone's gotta do it, let's, and he'll do it for free. You're saving money and getting a much bigger host.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  They just wanted to fuck you. They, they just wanted to fuck you.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  Anyone I suggested, they said, I always said Ali Siddique should do it. They said, no.

• 2:26:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, at least they went with Roy. Roy was really good, but.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  Roy's great.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  But it only lasted, like, a little bit.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  It was over after that.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  But that show could have gone on a long fucking time. It was such a great idea. It was great execution. It was fun to do.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  It was real in a moment where alt comedy and the ironic distance was getting bigger.

• 2:27:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:19Speaker 02

  This was a more real thing.

• 2:27:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  And people responded to it. And, uh, listen.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  But it just shows you the grossness of the business sometimes, when these people who are just gatekeeping executive assholes.

• 2:27:30Speaker 02

  Gatekeeping. They're really saying, oh, you're not on the list.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And they don't exist anymore. That's what's, that's what's most amazing.

• 2:27:37Speaker 02

  Well, that's a cool thing. You can go to Tom. You can go to a guy like that or whatever. And he goes, no, I love the show. It made me, it made me bigger. Let's get it going again.

• 2:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And it's also like nine years later, like, the internet has completely taken over. Like, it is drowned out, all of those comedy networks. They don't exist anymore.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, you need some level of curation, although you're lost in a sea of content sometimes. But there's people you can trust. You know, if you want meditation, that guy Sam Harris, is that the meditation guy? You know, whatever he's gonna say, you're probably gonna believe it meditation wise. You know? Um, if you need some, to hear an MMA fighter, like really speaking, this is a great source for that. This podcast. She needs some curator, but I mean, like, I'm the guy, I'm that.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but even then.

• 2:28:28Speaker 02

  For the show. I'll make it quality, I'll make it look right. You can always trust me to do that. So come to me for, that show was the coolest stand-up show of all time.

• 2:28:37Joe Rogan?

  It was a fun show. It was a really good show, and it was a show that I remember you created from scratch. I remember when you were doing it at the lab at the improv. That tiny little room, you were doing it for free. And I was like, what are you doing? Basically, the same way that you were talking about to me about my podcast, like, what are you doing?

• 2:28:53Speaker 02

  That's what you were saying? What are you doing, dude? A fucking show for 20 people?

• 2:28:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, this is so weird. I'm like, Ari's telling stories. But I thought about it, I was like, it's probably a good idea to develop material that way.

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  No, a lot of people was like, hey, we're doing a show, it's about heartbreak this week, or it's this month, or it's about drugs, whatever, and they go, all right, let me, let me, I have a story, let me get all my thoughts down. You know? Um, all the metaphors and stuff, the stuff, flowery stuff you put on them. That Jay's so good at and stuff, but like, then they became a lot of people's like, that's my closer in my special now. I had no bit, I thought of it because of this, it became, you know, the biggest thing I had in my act.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nuts.

• 2:29:29Speaker 02

  It's nuts.

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  Because I loved giving people an excuse to like, write something.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  It was also such a fun show, because it was comedy outside of like, regular stand-up. It was like another avenue. And, and it was a really fun thing to do. You know, and the thing about like, the gatekeeping of it is like, those people had nothing to do with it, and they had all the power.

• 2:29:51Speaker 02

  They had all the power.

• 2:29:52Joe Rogan?

  And by do, by just exercising it in that way, and then everybody talking about how gross it was, nobody ever trusted them again.

• 2:30:00Speaker 02

  And the thing is, some of the stuff they do, they're like, we need some diversity. And it'd be like, I don't think you're wrong. I think you don't want it to be all the same thing, but there's something me and Eric Abrams came up with is it's a diversity of experience.

• 2:30:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Is bigger. Two white dudes is not what we're talking about. If it's like Ali Siddique's life, closer to Gary Owen's life than mine. You know, Gary Owens and Ali are closer to each other than me or Gary, you know?

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  So that's what I want, different, whatever. And they have these checklists you would go to in LA. Here are the gays, get one of these seven. Here are the black. And it was like, well, I'm not gonna fuck up my product. No way.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  You, at the end of the day, it has to be a meritocracy.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  So, so then we would just work harder, which a lot of people aren't willing to do. And it's like, well, there's a great black woman in Indianapolis. Uh, she's not in LA or New York, but let's get her. She has great stories, Ms. Pat.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  There's a great black comic in Houston, and he has these great stories about prison. Let's get him.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  Ali Siddique.

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  They're not on these lists.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  You just gotta work a little harder to make your shit.

• 2:31:03Speaker 02

  You know, it's like Seinfeld letting everybody else shine.

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. But it's like forced diversity without the merit, without good quality comedy.

• 2:31:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But it's just, gatekeepers fuck themselves, really, because now that we don't need them anymore, like they're, what do those people do? Like all those people that were running Comedy Central, what do they do now? There's no jobs.

• 2:31:25Speaker 02

  Well, the thing is with like, with like cabs overstepping that made Uber possible.

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:31Speaker 02

  So, let's focus on the positive of this.

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  And then the Uber people kept robbing and murdering people.

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  So they, uh, they just got Waymos.

• 2:31:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. They'll be gone too. Take advantage. Yep, yep. How many coke addicts do you need driving? You're like, bro, that's a red light, please stop.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they barely fucking vet those people.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the cool thing is, because it's easier to film and because I have friends that are fucking billionaires, you know? It's like, I, we can actually get it done now. It's a golden age for this.

• 2:32:00Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  To be able to make a TV show, level thing. On our own?

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, look at even movies like Theo and David Spade made a fucking movie.

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  On their own.

• 2:32:11Joe Rogan?

  Self-financed it and it's doing well.

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  They go, we know how much it's gonna cost. We'll do it. We're rich.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  It's incredible. It's a cool time.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  I mean, we made our budget back day one.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:32:20Speaker 02

  On a massive project, flying in 23 comics, you know, putting them all up, paying them all.

• 2:32:25Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 2:32:26Speaker 02

  They're cutting in on the shares. We've never done that before.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  So are you gonna do that in the next season as well?

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  I don't know if there's gonna be a next season. A lot of this was just a, there was a hole in my, in my resume where the show didn't end on the terms it should have ended on.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  And that's why it's called The End?

• 2:32:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a play on words for story titles too, you know, like The End, but like.

• 2:32:49Joe Rogan?

  I like.

• 2:32:49Speaker 02

  So I just had to get it done right.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Nice. Nice.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  And then all these huge comics, like Shane Gillis, who when he was an open mic'er was like, all these guys like, I wanna eventually do that show.

• 2:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  And the show went away. We're in the interim. He's like supplanting the Philadelphia 76ers so he can do comedy, you know? But he's like, I'd love to do that show. Dude, I have four people take private jets to come, to come do the show.

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 2:33:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:15Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing. Fuck yeah, dude.

• 2:33:17Speaker 02

  It was, I'm so happy with it. It came out right. Everyone who's seen it is like, oh, this is like, not just something you did. This is like a TV show. Yeah, it's like, I'm so happy.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  I love it. I'm so happy to hear that, dude. That's great.

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  That prologue that that guy did, you should, I'll, I'll send you, I'll send you two dollar off.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  I just pay.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, we said we had to figure out a way, me and O'Neal and Abrams, we all like writing it. We're like, I have to figure out a way to bridge the gap of this not happening to The End and what happened and everything without being too woe is me. And so we got this claymation guy who was like, yeah, let's just fill it with fucking punchlines. So it doesn't become that like, I love Schultz, but a little like, they couldn't keep us down. Like, I don't wanna do any of that. I don't wanna be earnest.

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  So let's bridge the gap without, without ever being serious.

• 2:34:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 2:34:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  So it was like a three minute prologue you get for free. Yeah, yeah. That's William Child. That's Tim Key's video.

• 2:34:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. How did they do that? Did they use real claymation?

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, dude. In a time of AI where everyone's doing the easy stuff, he is painstakingly, it takes him a day to build each one of those characters. That's three day work, and then a backdrop takes another day or two.

• 2:34:37Joe Rogan?

  And how long does it take to actually do the animation?

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  A long time, all day long. So if you have notes, you're like, dude, I need those notes before I start filming. This is click, move, click, move, click, move.

• 2:34:48Speaker 04

  You gotta go back and erase the stuff that, you know, the wires and shit too.

• 2:34:52Speaker 02

  Are they wires or just moving the clay?

• 2:34:54Speaker 04

  Some of it has to be held up because clay would fall.

• 2:34:56Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's wires in the arms.

• 2:34:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, you don't necessarily have to have wires like to make it stand. What is going on with his tits?

• 2:35:05Speaker 04

  Well, you know, it's music video.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  What's in that bowl? Ew.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  Oh, he's making a...

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  Looks like a turd.

• 2:35:11Speaker 04

  I didn't get locked into that.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  He did a Trippy Redd video that's really good.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome, dude.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:17Joe Rogan?

  It's cool that people are still doing stuff like that, like the old school, the way they did King Kong.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  Well, here's what I noticed too. When you start talking to some of these artists, you know, like some of my stage designs and stuff like that, like for America's Sweetheart, what I had was like this idea that like, what if we left society? How long till nature would just take back over?

• 2:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  And we're like, let's do that with plants. And then the first ones are like so expensive, they're like, oh, I can't. Okay, I gotta rethink. I can't, that's far, far out of the, I'll spend a lot, but not that much out of the budget. But then you tell these people, like, well, here's what I'm trying to do. Trying to say, you say the whole thing, like, here's what I'm trying to get across, here's what I'm trying to say, like, we're too caught up in the news and stuff, and if we all just like whatever. And then they go, fuck, dude, that's a good, okay, we can do it at cost. And then him, Anthony Shepard, they were both like these great artists, they were like, fuck, they stole your fucking show from you? Hold on, that's fucking bullshit. I can bring my costs way down. Let's, we can do this.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 2:36:13Speaker 02

  Still very expensive, but they're like, I want to be part of something.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  That's dope.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  You know, if Tarantino was like, you wanna hold a boom mic, I'm like, yes, I would do that for you to be part of something.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking dope, dude.

• 2:36:25Speaker 02

  It's what?

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  William Child, that's his Instagram account. Whoa.

• 2:36:28Speaker 02

  That's me.

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  Look at you.

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  Okay. You know what that is? Tell me that I was a failure. Look at that.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  Look at you, Nick. Dude, that's real.

• 2:36:40Speaker 02

  You have to play that. I don't know. February 18th, 2010. The show was born in the third most vapid city in America. Me and six comedians telling stories about psychedelic drugs. Holy shit. Only 14 people showed up, but god damn, it was the best show I'd ever seen. February. That's better.

• 2:36:57Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  With a lot of hard work, completely on my own, with help from no one, I got a TV deal.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  And that helped launch the careers of so many great comics. Fat ones who lost weight, fat ones who somehow keep getting fat. Many who go on to influence elections. Trump. Who go on to normalize child molestation. Good molester. And then, with a lot of hard. And ending.

• 2:37:18Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  The irony sickened me. Wait, wait, watch this part. You're in it. Hold on. Hurt. Well, I mean, it might have been the drugs.

• 2:37:28Speaker 02

  Out an ending. The irony. Wait, rush right after this. Hold on. I have to play.

• 2:37:35Speaker 02

  I mean, it might have been the drugs.

• 2:37:39Speaker 02

  Out an end. Wait.

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  I think there's nothing yet that's all us. There's only clips of it, I guess.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  There's a, there's a moment where I go, I realized it had to be a man and not just a man who would go on to tap Shane Gillis twice, with witnesses, by the way, and then to you and Norman raising your head. It's like, I witnessed it.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  I'm like, let's just have some fun, dude. Let's have some fun. I got Duncan to do a theme song on the way out of his episode.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  His story is about taking his kids to a Taylor Swift, um, Taylor Swift concert film and how awful it is. He thinks she's a 15,000 year old vampire.

• 2:38:13Speaker 02

  He has this long song. He goes, you can see it. She's feeding off them. She gets bigger as they start cheering. It's so funny. And it's Duncan. He's so out there. And I'm like, hey Duncan. He does this like song. He breaks down every one of her songs. He goes, it's just this. And I was like, you know those crazy garage band songs you've been making for 25 plus years? You want to do the theme song just for that episode? Just the? And he goes, yeah, 100%. So it's this like demonic song about being a 15,000 year old vampire. It's a Taylor Swift's original song. And you don't have to okay it with a network. You're like, let's just do it. I was like, what did he use your credit? He made up some crazy credit for his band.

• 2:38:51Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. That's amazing. Nobody's embraced like that kind of AI technology more than Duncan. Like he's always sending me things that he's working on, like he does it all day long.

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  Those garage band songs he used to make, it was just him coming up with crazy weird sounds.

• 2:39:06Joe Rogan?

  A long time ago. Yeah.

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  The Sunset Days.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  It was like, oh my god.

• 2:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's awesome, dude. Okay, so that's, uh, it's available on arishaffir.com.

• 2:39:16Speaker 02

  arishaffir.com. Each episode's $5.99.

• 2:39:18Joe Rogan?

  What happened to AriTheGreat.com?

• 2:39:19Speaker 02

  That went away. People didn't know how to find it.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  But is it still there? Like if you go to AriTheGreat.com, does it take you to arishaffir.com?

• 2:39:25Speaker 02

  If I know anything about me, there's no way I'm gonna pay those fees every year. If I know anything about me and my people, I doubt I still have that, but.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Alright, alright.

• 2:39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I let the YMH staff, I had a production card. You know, you need a production card at the end. One of them says YMH, then Eric Abrams directs, it's his. And I was like, fuck. The one I was using was just a still frame from This Not Happening. Just my dick pixelated. And I was like, put my thing on that. I hate the, I'm not a producer, whatever.

• 2:39:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:55Speaker 02

  And I didn't have it, and then we couldn't use anything with This Not Happening, so it's like, don't. And I was like, fuck, I need another one. I'm out in the jungle. So I told YMH, I was like, guys, you guys are all fucking idiots. Make me whatever production card you want, and I will use it. And then they were like, we're gonna make seven. I was like, alright. And I've seen a few of them, and they're all so retarded. They're all so, one of them being a giant coin out of my fucking giant nose. It's just so retarded. Oh, I love working with people I like.

• 2:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Tom's awesome. It's nice having a guy like that, that's like really just acquired an enormous amount of funds.

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:33Joe Rogan?

  And does whatever the fuck he wants.

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  Fun funds.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And his Netflix show was fucking great.

• 2:40:38Speaker 02

  It's so out there.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. But it's like perfect for him. It's like his mind. Alright, let's wrap this bitch up. Um, tomorrow, Protect Our Parks.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  First Protect Our Parks in quite some time. Dude, I would get recognized here or there when I was traveling. Not much. I'll tell you a couple of things I saw. One, people know Shane Gillis's name, except in Brazil, and then they only know Raffi Bostos's name.

• 2:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:41:03Speaker 02

  That's the only comic they've ever heard of.

• 2:41:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a big comic over there. Yeah, I had him on the show.

• 2:41:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's great. Good dude.

• 2:41:10Speaker 02

  But, I'll tell you this, though. There's a lot of business shit that gets caught up in this. Who's interviewing which politician and what, oh, this guy's doing this, or he's friends with this guy. And all the money and everything, and like, am I doing well enough? People try to do that keep up game. This guy's getting more views on his clips. I should start doing shorter stuff.

• 2:41:29Speaker 02

  Anyone I told that didn't recognize me when it came up what my job was, first I'd try to avoid it. But if I kept, they're like, "No, no, for real. What do you do?" I'm like, "Alright, well, I'm a stand-up comedian." I mean, this is 10 for 10 countries. Everybody would be like, "What? What do you mean?" I'm like, "Yeah, I'm a stand-up comedian." And they go, "W- what? Like, as a hobby?" I'm like, "No, as a living." They're like, "What? Grandma, come here. This guy does stand-up. Like, what do you mean with the microphone?" I'm like, "Yeah." He goes, "That's so cool. That's so cool." I'm like, "Where? Just in New York?" I'm like, "In the country, in the world, really." They're like, "What? You pay your rent on this?" I'm like, "Yeah." And then some. Like, no fucking way. They couldn't get over how cool it was, and they didn't know if I'm successful or not.

• 2:42:12Speaker 02

  They just know I do this. Bro, we have the coolest job, and I've tested this, in the world. There's no cooler job you could tell people that they'll be like, that reaction. They start smiling just at the idea of the job can actually exist.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:42:28Speaker 02

  And that's what we do. And the high-level ones, and the low-level, we're all doing the same shit. We're all just coming up with a better dick joke to just entertain some strangers.

• 2:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Even gay Ian sucking dicks that are coming out of a hole in the wall.

• 2:42:39Speaker 02

  Blowing a dude, and they go, "Oh, I just got an idea for a bit. That's cool. Let me, oh, hold on, I gotta write this down. Hold on, I'll jerk you while I write it down."

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's an amazing job. It's kind of incredible. We live a very blessed life. For sure.

• 2:42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's just, I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's fun to just focus on some positives and realize the negatives are nothing compared to the positives.

• 2:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Keeping up with the Joneses stuff and the paying attention to the numbers. I mean, obviously, that's easy for me to say that you shouldn't do it, but you shouldn't do it.

• 2:43:10Speaker 02

  Well, there's this thing.

• 2:43:11Joe Rogan?

  Just concentrate on what you're doing and enjoy it.

• 2:43:13Speaker 02

  I was talking to Maddie Weiner, she's a really funny comic, and she was like, you know, all these people, and everybody I really like, she's gonna be a star. And she's like, all these people are getting clips, it's crowd work, I don't do crowd work. And it was like, well, then you shouldn't do those clips. Your road's just gonna be a little longer than them, but don't think about it like that. Like, just do the shit you're good at.

• 2:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:34Speaker 02

  You know, and then eventually you'll get found out.

• 2:43:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just do whatever you do.

• 2:43:38Speaker 02

  Whatever you wanna do, but don't let them decide. Oh, I need to write an under 60 second bit, it's gotta have a punchline at 59 seconds, or I can't put it on YouTube Shorts. Like, that's a dumb way to be building your stuff.

• 2:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 2:43:51Speaker 02

  Big J does kinda crowd work that no one's ever done, long form crowd work with like, but it's not.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  He's also been doing it for so long, and he has that kinda personality and like, easygoing style that makes it, it makes it work.

• 2:44:04Speaker 02

  You see Big J at, at like, when somebody heckles him, like, an angry heckle, not just like a, I wanna be part of it. Like, you fuckers suck. He doesn't, I get worked up, he just goes, oh, what, uh, what was it that you don't like? Like, almost as if he's on mushrooms, he's like, no, yeah, I could see that, but what specifically I just wanna do?

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  He's an easygoing guy.

• 2:44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's just like, let's mine this for laughs. I'm not gonna get caught up screaming.

• 2:44:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's also done so many shows in New York where that must happen so often, you develop strategies.

• 2:44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're, you got practice at it.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:37Speaker 02

  Big J, my co-host, Legion of Skanks?

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  All right, that's right, you're back, Legion of Skanks, you're, you're running it now that Dave Smith has decided to be a political commentator.

• 2:44:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's three for life, I'm not running it, I'm just part of it.

• 2:44:46Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, you're running it.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Oh, it's printed, Joke World.

• 2:44:49Joe Rogan?

  I heard that you were the leader of the Legion of Skanks.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  I am, the leader of Skanks. Well, I'm the president.

• 2:44:55Joe Rogan?

  In the past, you already, like, you ran for president, I think you won.

• 2:44:58Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, I won.

• 2:45:01Speaker 02

  Dude, one day on one of these podcasts, we gotta talk about the presidential election legions. It was a three-month process of just non-stop creativity and stupidity.

• 2:45:10Joe Rogan?

  We'll talk about it tomorrow.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, shame was involved?

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:13Speaker 02

  She's my vice president.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  There you go. All right, let's wrap this up.

• 2:45:16Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 2:45:17Joe Rogan?

  I love you too. It's great to see you back.

• 2:45:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, you too. Dude, there's a bunch of times where I thought about you out there, where I'm like, you would love, Nazca Lines was one. I'm like, Joe Rogan would love, the Mayan temples, you would love it.

• 2:45:28Joe Rogan?

  I went to Chichen Itza once, way back in the early days.

• 2:45:31Speaker 02

  El Salvador you would have loved?

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, I'm sure.

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  Just with like, for the stuff you were into, there was so much. Anyway, I love you, buddy.

• 2:45:38Joe Rogan?

  I love you too.

• 2:45:39Speaker 02

  Jamie, I love you as well.

• 2:45:40Joe Rogan?

  We love you, Jamie. Bye.