British Identity Crisis: The Role of Immigration, Values, and Political Correctness | Tommy Robinson PT 2

Welcome back to PT 2 of the Tom Bilyeu x Tommy Robinson interview. This part of the conversation focuses on the challenges facing British identity and culture amidst rising tensions around immigration, assimilation, and national values. A key theme that emerged was the need for building a positive movement rooted in celebrating British traditions rather than focusing on opposition. The discussion explored the complexities of protest, community organization, and working with authorities to ensure peaceful demonstrations, as well as the impact of government control and media narratives. Several points were raised, including concerns about the integration of Muslim communities, the strain on social systems, and the influence of foreign investment on national infrastructure. The conversation also delved into historical examples, the importance of strong male role models, and the revival of Christian faith as potential steps toward rebuilding a unified and resilient society. Throughout the episode, the speakers emphasized the significance of political engagement, the necessity of open debate, and the pursuit of solutions that honor both tradition and inclusivity, while cautioning against the dangers of polarization and the erosion of national identity. Chapters: 00:00 Purpose of the movement 04:06 Inviting Jordan and police relations 07:00 Discussion on cultural integration challenges 11:57 Halal policies in schools and prisons 14:02 Views on immigration and benefits 16:43 Concerns about national values and peace 19:49 Controversy over Quran verse interpretation 25:42 Resurgence of Christian faith in men 28:42 Embracing American values and diversity 31:25 Warning against manipulation and division 35:43 Finding a path from pub life 36:32 Men and women's societal roles 40:51 Discussing political change and awakening 42:53 Closing and subscribe reminder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Welcome back to part two of this incredible conversation. Without further ado, here we go. So in a world where you guys win, what's the message that you put out? What does the world look like?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  So this message, and this message was to stop talking about what we're against. In the sense of if we're going to have a cultural movement, it just needs to celebrate British culture. We need to get back to who we are.

• 1:30Tom Bilyeu?

  But those five things specifically?

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Those five things were the values, but on the street, when we go on, that we agree on. So we agreed, we all agree on this. Let's work together. Now, when we hit the street, I've learned a lot. I know how to demonstrate. I know how to not demonstrate. I know what works and what doesn't work. I've seen infiltration. I've seen, we have a government body called the Special Demonstration Squad. Now, their job was to infiltrate peaceful. And it's not just, you have to understand, or the public has to understand. Whether you be in an animal rights organization or an organization against Islam, the government don't like you. And they want to control you. Anyone who can embody people together and change minds or bring people out on the street, they want to crush. You're a threat. Whether it be on animal, whatever rights it's on, whatever protest movement it is, they want to infiltrate you and they want control of it.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  We learned that no face covering. So I went for my first, I flew back and I had a meeting with the police. After our, after our meetings, I called a meeting with the police and I sat down with the police and said, right, I hadn't held a demonstration since the English Defense League. So all they know of our demonstrations is chaos. So when I met the police, I said, lads, like, we want to start a new relationship because we've clashed with you for the last decade. As Englishmen, yeah. Every time we have a nationalist rally or a patriarch rally, you come out in riot shields and you end up beating us and we end up beating you. That's what, that's what's happened, yeah. We don't, and also since my last protest in two thousand fifteen, it's now two thousand twenty four. I'm a, I've learned a lot, yeah. I've fought a lot and it's nine years later, ten years later, a decade later.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  So I said that what I've done is here's how Black Lives Matter were allowed to protest. I'm just showing you. And here's what you wore as police officers. And here's how you treat them. Here's the pro Palestinian demonstrations for the last twelve months. Here's how you treat them, yeah. Now I'm going to organise an event. And if you know if I want to, I can organise an event in East London, yeah. But I'm specifically not going to do that if you agree to respect us as a, as a, as a country's people, yeah. We want the same rights and respect that all these other groups had and we will police ourselves. You won't have to have riot shields because if anyone steps out of line, we'll deal with them ourself. So we don't want you to police us, we're going to police ourselves. And if you don't, if you, if you go back on this first agreement, then I promise you I'm going to hold a demonstration on the same day as a Palestinian rally. And I'm going to do it in East London. Yeah. I don't want to do that.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  But unfortunately, it's the only language I've learnt through the English Defense League. The only language they understand is when they're worried. So I said, we won't do that. We'll work with you. And then we set our first event up. We had a girl on the piano. We had Jerusalem. We had Land of Hope and Glory. We get, and do you know what? The, the purpose of the movement was about giving people back the sense of identity to celebrate who they are and the sense of community. So on the first event, I said, look at the man next to you, look at the woman next to you, hug them. These are your country's people and they're the people that are going to be standing next to you in this battle that we're going into, yeah. And we're here, not as a threat, not, we're here to celebrate who we are. And we're here to control our emotions and to direct, because I believe we are heading to an almighty clash. Unless we solve this problem democratically.

• 4:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Because there is no assimilation that you see.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  It's not going to happen. It's just not going to happen. It can't happen. Islam doesn't allow it to happen. So Islam doesn't allow it to happen. So but but we don't want to focus on the Muslim community in our in what we're building, because most of this wouldn't have been allowed to happen if we were strong in our own values anyway. If we had strong sense of community, strong sense of identity, men were strong, what happened in Rotherham would never have happened. It happened because we're lost, we're at football, we're fighting, we're taking drugs. It happened because of the destruction of who we are. That's what's happened. So we need to rebuild something from the bottom up. And I contacted Jordan Peterson in the sense that I looked at ARC, at what they do, and they're basically creating a cultural revolution. But a cultural revolution can't come from the educated. So which is

• 5:14Speaker 01

  why we invited Jordan in, he come. It has to come from the bottom. And we want to create a bottom up movement that gives people back their voice. In a in a and and I think that if you look at the success of where we're at even last weekend, even against provocation. And what we what we've entered into now, and I'm very grateful to the Metropolitan Police Force. And the Metropolitan Police Force was the best police force in the world, and they become a laughing stock on the world stage, because of two tier policing, because of political policing. And there I've watched an entire battle within the Met Police Force myself. I've seen them change how they treat us, how they view us. I've seen them go to battle with the government over our demonstrations. I've seen the government try to use them again in our last September thirteenth. They wanted us to clash and riot with each other.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  They knew it, we knew it. I sat down with the police, we both knew it. They want us to fight. Yeah, we don't want to fight, lads. And they said, we don't want to fight you. We just want a safe, a safe event for families. Well, that's what we're here for. Yeah. But for a decade, 20 years, they've been used against us. We've stupidly walked into a lot of it through anger. So where we're at now, and I think anyone who watches our last event on Saturday, it was beautiful. And it's giving people back that hope. And not just that hope, but confidence as a nation. You're not alone. You're not a fringe movement. Your thoughts aren't fringe. You're mainstream. The mainstream are against these values. The mainstream are against mass immigration. We've tried to vote our way out of this, they're not listening.

• 6:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me ask you, what would you consider a win if you had to rank order these? So one, what you're describing now, we, there's some reverse immigration, people are leaving the country, you obviously closed the borders, you stopped the small boats, all that. Or there is something happens and we get a secularized Muslim community that gets real influence and they really start becoming British?

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, unfortunately, okay, and I've gone loggerheads with this and I've searched for that solution that you're saying, the second solution, it's impossible. It, it won't happen. And essentially, the radicals, if we look at what's happened in Iraq, if we look at what happened in Iran, the peaceful majority, who I'd say are secular, I'd call them cultural Muslims, because many Muslims don't follow Islam, yeah? They're just decent Muslims. If you pick a decent Muslim, you go down to the local betting shop now, if we go outside here, there'll be loads of Muslims in there. They're not following Islam, okay? But I call them cultural Muslims. But the extremists and the radicals have control and the peaceful majority, if you want to call them that, I wouldn't say the majority, because the majority of Muslims worldwide want Sharia law.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  The figures show that, I think 91% of Pakistanis believe stoning for adultery is acceptable. 91%, yeah? It's not a minority, okay? 99% of Afghans want Sharia law, it's not a minority. 87% of Palestinians want Sharia law, it's not a minority, yeah? So these are not minorities that have a totally different value system. When you get a 99% Afghani rate of wanting Sharia law, and then you bring them into the UK, they don't leave that value system at the border. We're in Britain now, let's crack on. They bring it with them. And we see that influence, and that's what we're experiencing. So I wish there was a solution, like you say, for reformation within Islam, but there's not. The last time someone tried to reform Islam was after Wahib, and we created Wahibism, Wahhabism, because Mohammed...

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Muhammad was a, not a moral man, at all. He murdered, he pillaged, he raped, he had sex with a child. These are the value systems of some, of people who are taught to believe this is perfect in all of time, at all of time. Not that it was perfect fourteen hundred years ago, but whatever he did then is acceptable to do today. This is the value breakdown. This is the system that it just, it's oil and water. And if you want these value systems and you want to live in Afghanistan, you want to live in.

• 9:03Tom Bilyeu?

  But out of curiosity, so obviously we've watched it happen to Christianity. So the Old Testament has some crazy shit in it. Uh, but we went through a reformation, even in the fourteen hundreds, we were running the crusades under the banner of Jesus Christ, which is wild. I think Jesus would take exception to that. Uh, but nonetheless, we did it, but there was a reformation and we were able to get on the other side of that. When I look at the UAE, when I look at Saudi and the Abraham Accords and the way that they're.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  It's moving.

• 9:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, they're trying to.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  The nuclear Saudi, yeah, it's moving.

• 9:35Tom Bilyeu?

  So, um, given that, is there not, like, if you were going to dual track something and say, okay, listen, the Brits, we have to understand what our identity is because we've got people that have come into our country. They have to know like what it means to be British, what it means to assimilate and expecting that road of change, but you, you've seen it happen to Christians. You see it maybe it sound like you acknowledge it's happening in some of the Muslim countries, but the same like hope is not being applied to the people that have.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  We see those Muslim countries, for example, the ones you named, United Arab Emirates, the Muslim Brotherhood's banned there. It's not banned here. All the tech.

• 10:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Push for that.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  His but to hear. Yeah, but it's, I'm not willing to play the lottery with my kids' future or my nation's future. I'm not willing to, and I don't think any of us need to be now. And I think we're at the point now where it's like enough is enough here. We're not going to become a minority. We can't. Is it right, to the, is it right that blacks become a minority in Nigeria? It's not, is it? Is it right that the Japanese become a minority in Japan? It's not. Well, the city we're sitting in now is thirty-three percent white English. It's not right. It's just not right. And it shouldn't, we shouldn't accept that. And we shouldn't tolerate the rest of the country going down that path. Because with the demographic change comes the cultural change, comes the national change.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  It's a different country. And we want this country to resemble the country that we brought up in, that my parents were brought up in, and that a thousand years of English, a thousand years of history have sacrificed for.

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• 14:46Tom Bilyeu?

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• 14:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, let me ask the hardest question. So I'll agree with you that every country has the right to say, "We're not going to become a minority in our own country," and watching the way that Japan is playing this is very interesting because they're like, "This place is going to be Japanese." And as somebody who is just an, I'm completely enamored with Japanese culture, so I love that.

• 15:16Tom Bilyeu?

  And then, at the same time, it's a very different thing when you say, "Your government did let a lot of people in who have come, and they're making a life for themselves here," and the level of disruption that it would be to kick them out of the country would be massively disruptive. And so I do think that there's... Yeah, but I think that there is a conversation that has to be had around what does our value system permit and not permit? And so, to me, there's a big difference between not letting people in and then forcing people out. Now, if you came legally. Illegal is a totally different... You're here illegally, we have the right to boot you out. That's, for me, that's easy. But the legal immigrants becomes the hard question

• 16:00Tom Bilyeu?

  because I think that there is a moral thing that has to be faced there.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not saying go round up legal migrants and kick them out. I'm not saying that. I'm saying they're legal migrants, criminals, jihadists like the 40,000 on terror watch list with dual nationality, any of the criminals, they're the first that need to leave. What I'm saying is that you could encourage people who are non-integrated, non-simile...

• 16:20Tom Bilyeu?

  When you say encourage, what I hear and I imagine...

• 16:22Speaker 01

  A hundred thousand pounds to you later.

• 16:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so purely financial?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Financial, yeah.

• 16:25Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not, "Hey asshole, we don't want you here, get the fuck out."

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Not just financial, but stop surrendering everything. What Japan has just said is, "We're not going to cater for halal in our schools. We're not going to cater for halal in the prison system." Why are we catering for this? Why are we changing everything? Why are we not just changing it for them, but we change it for us? I've been in the prison system. Everything's halal. You're not getting on halal. Why is that happening? Why are any of these things happening? So, when I'm not saying make it difficult, but you could just have some foundations of who you are and stop changing everything for a minority of the country, and stop changing it for a different culture or a different idea. But when I say economically, so there was a study come out of Holland, and what it showed is Muslim immigration... The first generation that come here were dependent and a burden on the state.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  The second generation were dependent and a burden on the state. The third generation were dependent and a burden on the state. This isn't gonna work. So at some point, you're gonna have to make a decision, because you can't pay for everyone as the numbers increase. And I'm not saying go round and forcefully, I believe you could quite easily encourage people with financial benefit to go home. And when I say go home, they've got a home to go to. We haven't, where are we meant to go? When this country changes beyond belief, where are the English meant to go? This is England, yeah? Afghanis can go back to Afghanistan quite happily. They do, they go back there, they come here and they continue to go back there all the time. They continue to go back to Pakistan all the time. But when we look at migration and those who have claimed asylum, you went through sixteen safe countries to get here. This isn't asylum, you're an economic migrant.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  You illegally entered this country, you lied on your forms, and you're here, I'd say unlawfully. Many of them, many, many of them. And if you're gonna be here as a Somali family, who don't speak English, who have six children, and you don't work, go home. I don't think that's outrageous at all.

• 18:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you have policy prescriptions that you would put in place?

• 18:19Speaker 01

  I wouldn't, I wouldn't benefit anyone, which I was looking at certain political parties now. I don't think no one should gain political benefit based on race, yeah, at all. I just, I don't believe they should, and I believe that, I believe, which I get a lot of criticism for, is that because of my best friends that I've grown up with, they might be black, they're British. I don't give a shit, yeah? Their second, third generation, integrated, assimilated, hardworking. I'd fight against anyone saying they have to leave. And it'd be the same for anyone who's integrated and assimilated and working hard. But why are we paying benefits? Why are we all going to work, British people, to pay for the percentage who speak for themselves in the United States? Look at the Somali community, ninety percent of them on benefits.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  It's not gonna work.

• 19:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you want to put, uh, blind means testing? Or do you want to say Muslims can't have it? And British people, yes, Muslims, no.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  But I believe there should be a benefit cap on children, um, for everyone. I don't believe a white family should be able to have 10 children, sit there and everyone pay for it either. Yeah, it's like, get up and go work. Get up and go work.

• 19:24Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're perfectly fine with whatever policy you put forward, it is going to be blanket.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  It'll be blanket, but what I would do is stop Saudi, stop Qatar, stop Iran, funding any mosque madrassas. We can look, I understand the nation, uh, as a country, we need their money, yeah? That we've sold out everything for them. Qatar own more property in this capital city than the royal family.

• 19:42Tom Bilyeu?

  So do you want to put a moratorium on capital from outside?

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yes, from Islam.

• 19:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Stop.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  From Islamic Sharia driven nations, full stop.

• 19:50Tom Bilyeu?

  So even if that's buying property, investing in a sports team, sorry, no more.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  I, I don't, I don't believe that it, it brings a negative influence to those nations. They then control entire institutions, they control Barclays Bank, Sainsbury's, half of Sainsbury's, every port in this country. Of course, they've got the government by their balls, of course, the government can't come out against them. They've got the, they've got the economy and the infrastructure of the nation like that. Look at the universities, the funders of the universities.

• 20:14Tom Bilyeu?

  And you'd rather just not have the money?

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Rather have less money as a nation, but have control over our value system and, and who's good and who's bad. Qatar is the home of the Muslim Brotherhood. Qatar, without Qatar, we wouldn't have had Hamas, we wouldn't have had the Muslim Brotherhood, we wouldn't have had Al Qaeda. I don't believe, without Qatar, Qatar is the base for all of this, yeah? Yet our country are allies with Qatar. Why? I went into Qatar, I went into, uh, Al Jazeera. And when I went in there, it was after the Paris attacks. I had to go through airport style metal detectors. And when I sat down, I said, you cheeky bastards, if I'm honest, yeah? You cheeky bastards, you've got all this protection, you're, you're, you're the cause of it all. You're, you're, you're the cause of it. Your funding is the cause of all this. Look at what Qatar has done, they spent nearly a billion pound in Islamization of Europe.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  They're changing our town. Who's funding the mega mosque epic city? Who's funding all the things that are happening right now in the United States? Qatar, Saudi, why are we letting them? Why? They wouldn't be letting us. Why are we letting them? We shouldn't be letting them. But again, we've lost our value system or we've surrendered to the financial benefit as a nation. Our politicians have surrendered to them. Prince Charles has certainly surrendered to them. So I think there's so much we could be doing. And I believe that without doing these things, when you don't see light at the end of the tunnel, I can tell you now, from September thirteenth of last event, last year, to this event, May sixteenth, the temperature of the nation has risen so high. Do you know the work that we had to put into this event to make sure it's peaceful?

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Because people don't see peace, peaceful solutions. I'm hearing it from so many men around the country. Peaceful protest doesn't fucking work. It doesn't work. We've got to do something. You've got thirty percent of the British public believe we're heading to civil war.

• 21:57Tom Bilyeu?

  What do you think would be the tipping point?

• 21:59Speaker 01

  I, I believe that a defining moment changed the direction of a nation in history. Bloody Sunday changed the direction of Northern Ireland. Who knows what the moment's going to be for Europe, but there's going to be a tipping point. I think it'll be a school, and I think it's coming. I think they'll hit a school. Like the best, my, my awakening moment in my life was the Beslan School massacre. It was the moment that made me start looking, looking into Islam, when I saw dozens of men sharing an ideology that told them they could go and execute children in a school. And I can see the mums dropping on the floor out.

• 22:28Tom Bilyeu?

  What year was this?

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Beslan, I don't know, two thousand two, three, I was young, I was twenty, I was about early twenties. And I remember watching it, and I watched it and thought, this isn't one madman here. These men share a, share, share a belief that this action is justified against children. And I remember watching the parents and just thinking, wow, man, they're outside the school. The police have locked them all off and they can hear their children being butchered.

• 22:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And you can, and the mums are on the knees and they're all screaming and crying and they don't know what to do. And like, and for me, I went, and then two weeks later, I saw the leaders, Saiful Islam is, is a gentleman's name, translates the Sword of Islam. He was second in command, he's, he's my age from my hometown. He was the number two for Al-Burjah Hadeen, who are now are prescribed, but they weren't prescribed terrorist organisation. He sat in a chicken shop in Luton and he, his words with his mates, with, on the camera, were an attack like that would be justified in, in the UK. That was when I launched, um, against them, essentially as, as a young football group. I looked at them and said, who, who the, who the fuck are these men in our town?

• 23:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Did he say why it would be justified?

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Because of British foreign policy. And you have to, like, even Lee, Lee Rigby's murderer. Mike Wadabalajo, do you know he handed a woman in the street fifty-two verses from the Quran that he says forced him to do it? So scripture and teachings always, you have to, it comes back to it every time. And when, when the judge said he betrayed Islam, he went mad in court. I don't know if you remember. Because you have to look at, in the teachings of Islam, now one of the verses that Nick Clegg, after that terrorist attack, Nick Clegg stood on our TV the next day, and this is where we've been absolutely fooled, yeah? Nick Clegg, and, and you can't even, you couldn't have the discussion, but Nick Clegg stood on TV and said, "In the Quran, it says, if you kill one man, you kill all of humanity." It does, yeah? And then I, I've had this debate multiple times, I said, "Carry on reading that verse."

• 24:19Speaker 01

  If Nick Clegg would have carried on reading that verse, that he stood up to justify that it had nothing to do with Islam, it says, "Unless you cause mischief in the land, then you have your hands and feet cut off, you're executed or you're exiled from the land." So the exact verse that Nick Clegg misquoted is the exact verse that Lee Rigby, because when you say mischief in the land, say like Ibn Khatir is one of the world's lead scholars on Islam, historical scholars, the lead in the world. For the majority of Muslims, he's the lead. Mischievous means not believing in Islam. Now, if you take it in that sense, we're all causing mischief. But did Lee Rigby, in an Islamic sense, cause mischief by entering as part of an invading army into a Muslim land? So Lee Rigby's murderer horrifically was following an instruction manual

• 25:04Speaker 01

  that he says forced him to kill Lee Rigby and target Lee Rigby. Because he believes Lee Rigby caused mischief or the British Army caused mischief. So there's so much, and I, I just look at all these different things and think, where are we heading as a nation? Do we want to solve it? To solve this problem, feelings are going to get hurt. Our feelings are hurt every day. No one cares about our feelings. We're fearful every day. So unfortunately, Muslims' feelings, or followers of Islam's feelings, we've got to have this out. And that doesn't mean we want violence. It doesn't mean any, anything like that. But it means that at some point, you're going to have to look at your own community. And do you know how many Muslims in the years of the rapes, all those thirty, forty years of the rapes? How many Muslims reported on another Muslim for raping? Not one. How many Muslims testified in court against the other Muslims? Work colleagues or not one?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  We've just seen the police officers, the attack at Manchester Airport. We've just seen them get hung jury. They had, I believe they had three Muslims on their jury. Muslims, if you understand the teachings of Islam, are not allowed to side with non-Muslims over Muslims. So the whole jury, everything breaks down with this ideology that's so powerful and so strong.

• 26:07Tom Bilyeu?

  All right. So paint the picture for how we get out of this. Is it Rupert Lowe and Restore Britain? Is it you stepping into a far more political role? What is?

• 26:17Speaker 01

  I don't believe my position. I want to just, I believe we have to vote. Keir Starmer was elected off 9.7 million votes, 20 million didn't vote. That's the apathy and we just, and that's when we get what we've got now. You get a tyrannical leader who hasn't got a mandate. Voting in off less than 20% of the population, the other 80% are sitting there. But 50% of us sat at home when we need to understand your vote mass. And you, and what my direction on Saturday was go join a political party. Whether it be restore, whether it be reform, whether it be advance, go and join a political party and get politically active. And at the same time, something organically has happened with Christianity. I'm watching it over the last two years. But organically happening with young men outside of politics. So I invited a group to come and talk at our event on Saturday who are not political. I didn't even know if they vote Labour or not, you know?

• 27:02Speaker 01

  And then I don't really care because what they're doing is bringing men out to physically train and practice and pray together. And this is happening across the nation. And that's not happening under the influence of me. Yeah. It's happening outside of any influence or organic influence. But that value system of men helping men, supporting men, becoming tough and strong again in a value system and a community spirit. It will be a step towards solving all of these problems.

• 27:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, somebody reading that casually might say, oh, because you want this to get violent, you want them to fight more.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Not fight more. I want them to be strong men. I, I just know from my own situation, I've been in, I've been in dark places many times over the years, really dark. I went into prison, one person in 2017, come out another. I was a mess from solitary confinement. I was a mess coming out last year. The only solution I found, which I wish I found years ago, is physical training. Physically, but physically training myself, which then helps me mentally. My, my whole, if I don't go to the gym for four days, everything starts spiraling for me. I've seen it myself. So I believe that men which look at the suicide rates of British men and compare them to men in other countries, especially Islamic countries, ours are really

• 28:15Speaker 01

  high, yeah, in comparison to anyone else. We're lost. We've we've become frowned upon, that we don't have a value. And I think that men need to support men. And they can do that without politics, without race, without any of that, yeah, just men coming together, which I've organically watched happen and been so impressed with it happening, because I know that that's a solution that helps. And I think that there's so many different problems that we face, and that have caused a weak nation. We are now a weak nation. We are now a nation of weak men. But Poland's not. Poland aren't weak men. Russians aren't weak men. We're weak men. And unless we find back who we are, and that doesn't mean you're

• 28:58Speaker 01

  getting ready to go out and kill at all. It means that you're building a strong sense of community again, and you're there to help the community and help each other.

• 29:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Jordan Peterson had a really interesting definition of the meek shall inherit the earth. I don't know if it's real. He believes it. I just don't know if he's accurate, but it's still brilliant, which is that he says in ancient Greek, meek is best described as somebody who is strong and knows how to use their sword, but chooses not to. And I always thought that made sense. That person who's disciplined, emotionally in control, but incredibly strong and can fight should the moment call for it, is the right way that a man should be. And I aggressively agree with that.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  You know, boxers, you know, most boxers, they're tough, but they're not aggressive. I took my son to a boxing gym. Most of the toughest men I know will be in boxing, but they're not out beating people up. Yeah, because they're disciplined, because the gym and the system gives them that discipline. But they can fight, and they are strong, and they're powerful men. And I think that that's, I think that's such an important thing in refinding. And also Christianity is such an important role. And I've seen something just hard to describe what's happening. You would have seen it, anyone who are event on Saturday, the revival.

• 30:12Tom Bilyeu?

  I was there.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  The revival in Christian faith, the revival in Jesus. Some, the numbers don't lie. In America around here, in young men going to church or finding church and finding faith. So something huge is shifting. And I think that's coming when your back's up against the wall and you're looking for where you come from and you try and when you and we're further ahead than America. So our backs are against the wall. You're searching for what what is it that built this? What is it? Who are we? And for so many years now, prior to the last two years, men were converting to Islam, Britishmen, because they were refinding that sense of identity and belonging within that. And now there's a movement happening where men are finding it again in who they actually

• 30:55Speaker 01

  were. And if you look at boxers now, something huge, like most boxers were converting to Islam. Now they're coming out to gospel songs of Jesus and religious songs of Christianity. So there is a shift and all of these things, I'd say, we we put together a three, four year vision for how we get to where we want to be, which is culture, media and politics, and all three run separately but complement each other. My thing, my job, as I said, I don't want to be in a political party. I don't I don't want in-house politics. Leading the English Fensley was the most difficult bloody thing I've ever done, because you have to have this division, that division, they all hate each other, they all fall out of each other, you get infiltrated, your entire time is spent trying to deal with this.

• 31:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Right.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Rather than doing what you should be doing, in-house problems takes over your life.

• 31:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  I never want that again.

• 31:43Tom Bilyeu?

  As an entrepreneur, I understand it well.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Through business, I never want that again, ever again. So what we do, we have a team of six. Look at what we pulled off on Saturday. There's a team of six.

• 31:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Not bad.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  We have a tight, tight team. And we will go on now this year to make three, four successful documentaries. And I believe our role is to awaken people, but I leave it to the political parties to the politicians to solve this because they will all ride the wave and we're seeing them ride the wave of nationalism and patriotism already. Things have shifted, hugely shifted, and they're not going to slow down.

• 32:16Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll speak to you because you're here with me and by all means, if what I say seems weird, push back. But I'm actually trying to address the American people when I say the following. As we deal with the the question that a collision of values asks, which the most relevant one being Muslim immigration.

• 32:38Tom Bilyeu?

  We need to find an honorable solution forward. To do that, people have to figure out, who are we? So for us, what does it mean to be an American? So we are a country built on immigrants, but we're also a country built on immigration, where when you rolled up to our shores, it was like, good luck. There was no social safety net. And so for us to go back on the things that made us us, hard work, discipline, Puritan work ethic, outperforming other people, wanting to be the best, understanding no one's coming to save you. You gotta till your own land. And hey, if there's people you gotta fight along the way, that you gotta do it. But it really is up to you.

• 33:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And the desire to be a good and kind and honorable person is a part of the story we need to remind ourselves of as Americans. And so as we look at this collision of values, rather than just saying, stranger, get the fuck out, this has got to be something more like, hey, we welcome people that align with these values, that understand what we're trying to do. We have a zero tolerance policy for bullshit. And so if you're not here to join the fabric of America and to make it better, then for that reason, yes, you're not going to be welcomed here. But I believe in foreign-born Americans, people that weren't born in America,

• 34:03Tom Bilyeu?

  but they have that entrepreneurial spirit, that can-do attitude. I want to get better. I want to push my skills. I'm not looking for a handout. That kind of attitude, I want to see us re-embrace. But to lose sight of love, to lose sight of caring, to lose sight of, I'm not right, it's just my way. If we lose sight of all of that, we will give something of ourselves up. And I'm a big believer in Nelson Mandela, who had a great quote, which was when he got out of prison finally, um, his party was like, okay, we're going to oppress the white people now, right? And he was like, nope, because the person who does the oppression actually forfeits a piece of their soul.

• 34:47Tom Bilyeu?

  And I thought, damn, like, that is so true. And I, he was in an impossible position. And unfortunately, since his death, the place has gone to hell in a handbasket.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  You're just tripled the amount of refugees you're going to allow into him from South Africa today, I think.

• 35:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that's a whole nother story. But his idea of finding that third way of saying, okay, look, we've got people that believe one way, people that believe another, and we've got to find a way to, to bring them together and march forward. And so you have to do the truth and reconciliation. You have to be able to speak freely. You have to be able to say what you believe to be true. Um, you can't be silenced. You shouldn't want to silence people. There should be a rule set. You integrate or you leave. Uh, and then at the same time, you've got to want everybody to win. And that's where I worry that this will devolve into in-group, out-group, tribal warfare. It feels good to be young and angry, and so I do want to be on the streets fighting.

• 35:45Tom Bilyeu?

  And when you're being, again, for me, this is all in an economic frame, when you are being stolen from, from your own government, but you don't understand what's happening, you just know that the pie really is shrinking. I'm mad at somebody and then somebody says, cool, you're mad at the person who is out-group. Um, that's where we get into the dangerous territory that allows us to be controlled by people that do not have our best interests at heart, that are trying to extract from us. And so I am deeply concerned for my own country that we will get confused by race, not understand that this is values, not understand that we have to stand for something, that we must be the meek, as defined by Jordan Peterson, uh, who are strong, who know what we stand

• 36:28Tom Bilyeu?

  for, who are honorable, uh, who also understand that love is the greatest thing we have to offer. And if you're going to find it in Christianity, yay, I'm all for it. Um, if you're not, which I'm certainly not, then you still have to find it. And with that, then to march forward along those lines, but to have policies that are blind, that you establish them not knowing who they're going to impact. And so you come up with something that's far more universal. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

• 37:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Do you agree that immigration has to benefit America?

• 37:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I do.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Do you think Somali immigration into Minnesota has benefited Minnesota?

• 37:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I think open borders are suicide.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Because even say like the Somali as an American, it's the hottest place on the planet, Somalia. Do you think they chose Minnesota, the coldest place in America?

• 37:24Tom Bilyeu?

  I have not researched this, so I don't know the truth. I know your answer, and there's certainly logic to it, which is that there are extra agencies that are like pulling these people and saying, we're going to put you here. There's certainly logic to that.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  What about, so say for example, if you look at immigration and you're America or you're Britain, in 2023, the Japanese, 40,000 were allowed into Germany. Four were convicted of violent crimes. In the same year, 25,000 Algerians were welcomed into Germany.

• 37:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  1,794 were convicted of crimes. Now, that simple statistic would tell you, stop Algerian immigration into Germany.

• 38:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Agreed.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  It's just the statistics, 16 times more likely in Afghanistan is to commit sexual rape in our country.

• 38:07Tom Bilyeu?

  I've got no beef with stats. Like, if the numbers are clear, hey.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  If you've got stats that show that, the stats will show you that Islamic immigration, the top 10 countries where the problems are coming from, in all crime statistics, in every European nation, is coming from there. So it's just on stats, and it's like, just stop Islamic immigration. Yes, America needs immigration, but why not have Christian immigration, which we know works? We know the value system is very similar. I don't understand the intent in mixing these two total foreign ideologies to each other, or foreign value systems to each other. I just don't get the intent and the pull for it. And I think the nation should be quite comfortable in saying that. It doesn't work. America can look to Germany, it can look to France, it can look to Britain, it can look at all these nations.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  It does not work. So you can stop it now, America. You can be ending up in the mess that we're in. And again, to people sitting listening, that doesn't of course mean, look, you all know great Muslims. I know great Muslims, yeah? But per se, this isn't going to work. That doesn't mean that the great Muslim has to leave, yeah? It doesn't mean, it just means we need to stop adding to a problem that we already have and start trying to address that problem.

• 39:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, and I would say people need to assimilate. Like, you need to bring people in, make sure they assimilate before you just keep bringing more. This will be very controversial in America, but I also believe in... If my advice to all countries is compete for the best, the brightest, the most economically likely to contribute.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Well, not D E O.

• 39:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And yeah, so for me, it's, it becomes very easy to find people that are likely to be economic contributors. And it also becomes very easy to say, you have to earn your way into the system. You don't just get it by rolling up. And, uh, but again, that's super unpopular in my country.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  How is that even controversial?

• 39:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I, so I think evolution gave you the left and the right for a reason. I just happen to slightly lean right by temperament. Meaning evolution has gone, hey, Tom, I need you to watch out for freeloaders and to get people excited about personal responsibility, to want to shoulder their load, to make that a cool thing, to be proud of like, I did my part.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  I got here through my own benefit.

• 40:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Right, but I, I have all these other people that I want to make sure that they are loved for who they are and wounded and fallen creatures, though they may be, that there are people whose temperament is to look after them. Because, and listen, I'm very close to the middle, but we need both. And it is the, the thing I think you felt, now this is me projecting on you, so by all means, if this isn't accurate. But when I hear the story of you being the quintessential, what I call pub brawler, which is a uniquely England, English phenomenon, uh, you know, pub brawler going out into the streets, uh, and all of that. I see you finding a path out of that because it's like, okay, effective strategy,

• 40:57Tom Bilyeu?

  but it has these second and third order consequences that I don't like. I see a better path over here. And to me, in some ways, not small, the dynamic between men and women always kept that tension. Because a woman wasn't going to be impressed that you're out in the streets getting in fights. She'd be impressed if you stood up for her, but she's not going to be impressed if you're just going around scaring people and being an ass. And so as the relationship between men and women have broken down, you get the hyper feminization. You get men not realizing that they have to step up and be quote unquote, men to impress a woman to gain sexual access. Start a whole nother podcast if I go too far down this road, but, um, yeah, I think that there are a lot of things breaking down

• 41:39Tom Bilyeu?

  that we do ultimately have to focus on to get people back in line. It's an important question that if somebody tells you, you can't talk about it, they are the enemy. And that's where I start. Now, we may not agree on what the path forward is, but. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't make them my enemy. If they tell me I can't talk about it, they're my enemy.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Keir Starmer's your enemy.

• 42:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Of this, I have no doubt. I was a little surprised he let me in. So, yeah. Well, Tommy, um, if you had a one final vision that you wanted to leave people with about where this goes, keeping in mind, my audience contains at least some people that are in the persuadable middle. And so knowing that some people have a knee jerk reaction to love you, some people have a knee jerk reaction to hate you. And um, some people are like, well, just tell me what world I get if I listen to you. Hit those people with where you want to lead them.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  We called our movement United the Kingdom and our focus has been, do you know what you spoke about earlier? I can see over the last 12 months, 24 months, the anger, the resentment, turning on decent people as well. I can see it. I can read it. Everyone's got to go.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  They're all a problem. They don't belong here. So our movement has been focused on unifying everyone from any background. Like if a Muslim turned up on Saturday, great. They want to be there. They're proud to be British. Um, in fact, there was a video of a Muslim girl, a couple of videos at the last event, who went to see what it was like and then come out saying, everyone love me. So our movement is about unifying people. I know many of you may listen to what I'm saying, thinking it's pretty divisive or polarizing. The reality is polarizing. Where we're at is polarizing. So unfortunately, we've got to go down this path.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  I want to unite people. I want to politicize people. Unfortunately, as working class people, we're not political. We're not encouraged on politics. Many of us don't understand politics. I had never voted. Most people I don't know have ever voted in their lives. Uh, not rich enough, not poor enough really to make a difference, probably people think as they're growing up. And I think their voice matters. So I'd say that's my, where I want to sit and say is I want everyone to be political and understand that they have to get involved in politics. And when I call it the Battle for Britain, which I used this phrase on Saturday at the event, we're talking about a physical battle for Britain. We, Keir Starmer talked about the battle for the soul of our nation. He's totally right. There's a fight for the soul of our nation. It's not a fight he's going to win. It's a fight we're going to win.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  And this battle is about winning the hearts and minds of the public.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  That's what I believe that as a movement we're doing and going to do. And I believe that anyone who gives us the opportunity to listen to what we're saying will realise there are problems and that we have to confront them now. We can't continue until the Muslim population of six percent comes twelve percent. We just can't. And the forty thousand becomes eighty thousand. And the terror watch list becomes this and the rape figures go. You know the rape figures like it's it. In two thousand and three, we had eight thousand rapes in Brim. In two thousand twenty three, we had eighty thousand. But we meant to wait till there's eight hundred thousand in another twenty years. So, and this isn't just Britain. Sweden nineteen seventy five, three hundred and sixty rapes. Last year thirty two thousand. Do you know where the rape figures haven't gone up?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Poland and Hungary. Why? No mass open border immigration. So you can either be upset or you can protect women and protect your children. And work for a safe country. But to get that safe position where we need to be and to get the the the next party that get elected in three years' time. You said Rupert Lowe, you said Nigel Farage, whoever whoever it is, need a real mandate. You had four years of Joe Biden and you needed it as Americans because you needed to see what it was like. You needed to see that. To then come in with a mandate for mass deportations. A mandate for change that gives the new leader the opportunity to implement the change, knowing he's got support in the nation. So unfortunately, all of these problems that we face we're facing have to happen.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  We had to get this low in order to elect, awaken spiritually, culturally, awaken as a nation. To then elect in three years' time a government and give them a real mandate. Say, okay, we've decided as a nation, people have to leave. We've decided now we are a Christian country. We're not going to surrender these valleys anymore. We're going back to where we come from. We're focusing back on ourselves. So all of these things had to happen. And unfortunately, that's hard for some people to hear. Um, even commit up even October seventh. That was a mass awakening for so many people watching the watching the inability by the government in any Western nation to deal with this. Like they're here, the enemy's here. They're here and they're celebrating and they partied on the streets of every capital city about the rape and torture of fourteen hundred people. What more what more wake up call do you need?

• 46:26Speaker 01

  They're laughing in the streets. Yeah.

• 46:31Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 46:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Where can people follow you?

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Follow me on X. Thank you, Elon. T Robinson, New Era. Follow me on YouTube, back on there. To Americans, if you have a large American audience, when you voted for Donald Trump, it wasn't a vote to save America, it was a vote to save Western civilization. Do you know the ripple that's come out of America? I would not, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, the scenes you're seeing, our development as a nation or as people to confront these issues, wouldn't have happened. Rubio or J D Vance lecturing the European Union, we know, and it gives us hope that we, the superpower of the world, share our concerns on our culture, European culture. So, yeah, given everyone a lift. When you elected, it gave all of us a lift.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  So you can find me on T Robinson online is my YouTube. But yes, mainly I find my own X, it's my home.

• 47:24Tom Bilyeu?

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