Bonus Episode: Satchmo and Secret Agents

This week, Jake is thinking about the CIA and its role in our culture. Has the CIA played a part not just in political dirty tricks overseas, but also in the music and culture that are part of our daily lives? Plus, We hear about Jake's grandfather, whose dream was to join the CIA, but who was rejected...hmmmm...sounds exactly like the kind of cover story a CIA agent would tell! Since Valentine's Day is nearly upon us, we're bringing you an episode on one of the most disgraceful romances in music history: Sid Vicious and Nancy Spungen. Jake wants to know: What are the most notorious rock star couples in music history? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 29 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/029/grateful-dead-pt-1 and 30 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/064/grateful-dead-pt-2 - The Grateful Dead Episode 171 - Public Enemy https://www.disgracelandpod.com/171/public-enemy Episode 194 - Lana Del Rey https://www.disgracelandpod.com/194/lana-del-rey Episode 169 - Kobe Bryant https://www.disgracelandpod.com/169/kobe-bryant Episode 114 - Charles Manson https://www.disgracelandpod.com/114/charles-manson To hear an extended version of the After Party, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is exactly right.

• 0:13Speaker 01

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• 0:45Speaker 02

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard, but then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 1:00Speaker 03

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• 1:35Speaker 02

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 1:37Speaker 03

  Ask your loved one's doctor about Rexulti.

• 1:43Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's full episode subject, Louis Armstrong, also musicians who have been co-opted by the CIA throughout history. We're previewing our upcoming Valentine's Day episodes and we'll be getting to your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 2:57Jake Brennan?

  So one of the many fortunate aspects of being a parent is that it forces you into conversations at school events, you know, your kids' games or parties with people who you wouldn't otherwise socialize with. Your kids kind of force you to make new or additional friends. I'm not telling the parents anything they don't already know. I'm just stating this for those of you who might not have children. And because this is how I found myself in conversation recently with the grandson of an original CIA member, just the other day. It was a fascinating conversation because this dude's granddad went all the way back to the OSS. That's the World War II era version of the CIA before they had a name for it. The OSS and early CIA was made up of a bunch

• 3:41Jake Brennan?

  of Ivy League students whose dads were captains of industry in finance, defense, government, et cetera. That's where this dude that I was talking to traces his lineage. And I won't go into the stories that he shared with me that his grandfather shared with him, or I guess his grandfather shared with his father who shared with him, if I want to be 100% accurate. But as you can imagine, these stories are pretty wild. This encounter happened to me at the exact moment I was knee-deep in research. On another Disgrace Land subject for an upcoming episode that had me consumed with CIA history. It had me thinking about my own grandfather, who was a brilliant man and a

• 4:23Jake Brennan?

  veteran, a veteran of Korea, not of World War II, who tried unsuccessfully to join the CIA after the war. That was his dream. But he was denied that dream because the agency couldn't trace my grandmother's heritage back far enough through her heritage in Greece. So my grandfather wasn't allowed to join the CIA. I guess the thinking was that they couldn't be sure my grandmother wouldn't turn my grandfather into a Greek spy or something. Now, back then, it was, I gather, admirable to join the CIA. I don't share that opinion now. I might think it's badass, but I'm not sure. I think it's admirable. But anyhow, I always thought this part of my family's history is what made CIA history so fascinating

• 5:05Jake Brennan?

  to me personally. The agency is naturally shrouded in mystery, even for me on a personal level because of my grandfather, or what my grandfather tried to do. Anyway, whenever the CIA rubs up against the subjects we discuss here in Disgrace Land, I get really interested. I used to think these were just random historical circumstances. But the more I study the history of American culture, and let's be real for a minute, I launched Disgrace Land back in 2018. So I'm now in my seventh year of having my head buried in books, reading about the history of American culture, not to mention a lifetime prior to that, reading and absorbing books and documentaries and films about American history.

• 5:45Jake Brennan?

  With all this research, you start to see connections and patterns. And my conclusion now is that the CIA's connection to music and culture is definitely not as accidental as I once thought it was. It's very much intentional. Nowhere is this more evident than in this week's full episode on Louis Armstrong. The way the CIA used him is truly disgraceful. It was to not only commit murder, but to subvert democracy in the process of committing murder. That is harsh. Seriously, just, I know it's hard, right? None of us are rock stars. I don't think. If any of you are, get in touch. Maybe we can talk.

• 6:27Jake Brennan?

  But seriously, none of us are rock stars. But just try to imagine you're Louis Armstrong for a second. And you wake up one day and you realize that you were completely played. You were played into unknowingly contributing to the death of an innocent man, a democratically elected innocent man. How would you deal with that? That's fucked up. The CIA, I don't care what good they may, they may do and what sort of, you know, mechanism or apparatus they provide to keep the world safe. The CIA, regardless of any of that, is a dark entity.

• 7:09Jake Brennan?

  JFK was killed because he was rightly, I believe, going to splinter the agency into a thousand pieces, as he said. And with the teeny tiny little look that we've just begun to get into the JFK files, I'm beginning to learn that the Watergate scandal incredibly was more about keeping the CIA's involvement with the Kennedy assassination secret than it was solely about political subterfuge. MKUltra, the Beach Boys and Charles Manson, the Scorpions, Wind of Change and the Cold War, Bear Ossley and the Grateful Dead and the proliferation of LSD to American youth, Tom DeLonge of Blink-182 and UAP Disclosure, Miles Copeland Jr. and the Police.

• 7:51Jake Brennan?

  There's even a wild public enemy story about an East European communist influence campaign, a story I would have quickly dismissed 10 years ago, but now, I don't know, man, patterns. I'm not saying that all these artists were CIA cutouts, but I'm not saying they weren't either, or at least some of them. If you would have told an American citizen back in the 1960s that Louis Armstrong was part of a CIA coup d'etat, first, Louis Armstrong was like Shaq, okay? He was that type of figure. He was beloved by everyone, pretty much, big, jolly, wholesome. There was no way anyone was believing back then in the 1960s that Louis Armstrong was part of a CIA coup d'etat.

• 8:33Jake Brennan?

  Second, Americans at the time just flat out wouldn't have believed that their government, the American government, was involved in any way with violent covert actions such as, as this one. It wasn't until after Watergate, after the church hearings in the seventies, that Americans get to hear about all the awful shit that the CIA was up to in foreign countries. And for some reason, we took this as, well, the lights have been turned on and all the cockroaches are now scurrying back into the shadows and, you know, sunlight disinfects and the government rod is, is, you know, not to be seen anymore. We can all go back to just, you know, not thinking about the many deplorable ways in which our government has acted and just to assume that they're going to stop doing it. Newsflash, they didn't stop doing it. I believe they just

• 9:17Jake Brennan?

  got better at hiding it, which begs the question, which musicians from the eighties, from the nineties, the two thousands, from the now have been co-opted by the CIA for nefarious purposes? I don't know the answer. I'm not even really looking for an answer here. I'm just rhetorically asking this question because it's legitimately, that's where my head's at. Louis frickin Armstrong in the CIA, are you kidding me? My larger point is that this story of Louis Armstrong, it proves that the CIA is more involved in our cultural lives than I think we care to acknowledge. These sneaky little bastards have been fucking shit up for a long time. And I think that in the coming weeks, as more of these JFK files get talked about, as the entire treasure trove

• 10:02Jake Brennan?

  of 300,000 documents gets released, I'm not going to be surprised if we start seeing some bold faced names that we were not expecting. Now, I'm not saying that's going to happen. Okay. I have no evidence that that's the case at all. It's just a hunch. And, you know, I'm not even saying it's a particularly good hunch. All I'm saying is that the more I dig into history, the more I run into facts pointing to the CIA rubbing up against American culture, music history included. Okay. But this JFK stuff, this, this is a couple of weeks down the road. All right. We'll get to that. However, coming up next in Disgrace Land, this week's rewind episode on Sly Stone. We are timing this release with the much anticipated release

• 10:44Jake Brennan?

  this week of Questlove's documentary on Sly and the Family Stone, which all of us here at Disgrace Land are very excited to watch. Talk about a rock and roll animal, Sly Stone was a Special kind of beast. I guess I would be surprised if Sly Stone was a CIA cutout. Just to, you know, add that. Speaking of rock and roll beast, speaking of rock and roll animals, I want your stories on rock and roll animalism, your stories from back in the day that best demonstrate the rock and roll spirit that helped keep the rock and roll spirit alive, that preserve this dying genre that we love so much. Rock and roll. You don't have to have been involved in a CIA coup. Maybe you just ran into the singer from King Missile at a truck stop at three in the morning back in the day and made some snide remark about his quote unquote detachable penis, as I did, or maybe you and your friends just saw Post Malone doing shots

• 11:29Jake Brennan?

  at your local bar last week. I don't know. It can be any story at all. It doesn't even have to involve you. It can be a story about a rock star that you read about or that you saw in a documentary that blew your mind and that you want to share with the rest of us. Email me at [email protected] or hit me up on voicemail or text 617-906-6638 and your story might be the story of the week here in next week's after party. But before that, next week, on Tuesday, we have our full episode on Sid and Nancy and we are releasing this on Tuesday because Valentine's Day is here and what spells love better than being a rock star and being so gonzo on drugs that you murder the love of your life. You think, you think, you're not sure though.

• 12:11Jake Brennan?

  That's the mindfuck of it. You're not sure if you killed the woman you love because you're so fucking high. What a story. It's incredible. Punk rock Romeo and Juliet. Make sure to celebrate Valentine's Day in Disgraceland with Sid and Nancy next week. And when you're listening to this episode, be thinking about the worst rock star couples in music history, or at least the most notorious. Okay, that's going to be our question of the week. All right, I'm going to take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, texts and answers to last week's question of the week.

• 12:56Speaker 01

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• 13:27Speaker 02

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard, but then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Seeing symptoms like these in a loved one? It could be time to ask their doctor about Rexulti, Rexiprazole 2mg. The first FDA-approved treatment for this condition. Rexulti is proven to reduce agitation symptoms. Rexulti should not be used as an as-needed treatment. Elderly people with dementia-related psychosis have increased risk of death or stroke. Report fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, which can be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. High blood sugar can lead to coma or death. Weight gain, increased cholesterol, unusual urges, dizziness on standing, falls, seizures, trouble swallowing, or sleepiness may occur. Learn more about these and other side effects at rexulti.com. Tap ad for PI.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Ask your loved one's doctor about Rexulti.

• 14:30Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Just a quick reminder to make sure you Apple Podcast listeners have auto downloads turned on, so you're not missing any episodes. Guys, you know how to get in touch with me, 617-906-6638, to leave me a voicemail or to send me a text, @disgracingpod on Instagram, X, and Facebook, [email protected]. I'm going to start with a text this week instead of a voicemail, because this dude, I'm assuming it's a dude, hits on about four different questions we've been talking about trying to answer, just topics, I guess, in general. Okay, he starts with, "Bro, the Owen Hart story is worse than it sounds. Vince McMahon continued with that evening's matches with Owen's blood on the mat. Watch the Vince McMahon series on Netflix."

• 15:14Jake Brennan?

  Okay, 302 here is talking about... The death of Owen Hart, we were talking about strange celebrity deaths last week, and this one is one of the strangest, and I have not seen this. I started watching it with my kids. I'm glad I didn't continue. I didn't get very far into it. I need to see this documentary. But there's this, there's so much to watch right now. I have the Diddy documentary series on HBO to catch up on, which I'm doing this week. I have, of course, the Sly Stone documentary that I'm stoked on. I gotta watch that as well. And I'm gonna watch this Vince McMahon series on Netflix, because this story just sounds incredible. And it sounds like there should be some sort of episode on this, just based on the the way this guy died. It's unreal.

• 15:56Jake Brennan?

  He goes on to say Prince and Michael are apples and oranges. You absolutely cannot compare the two. I disagree. I mean, they're, they're of the same time. They're, they're, they're both massive icons. They're both part of that sort of same generation, first generation of, of, of pop stars who really understood how to use MTV and how to capitalize on it. And their audiences, there was so much crossover. So I think you can absolutely compare the two. And then my favorite of these, of this string of texts from the three or two says, "Hot dogs over a dollar make me wanna punch babies in the face. When my kid played Little League and the hot dogs in the concession stand were over a dollar, no one paid more than a dollar when I was in the stand." I don't know that we need to punch babies, but I hear you.

• 16:41Jake Brennan?

  Maybe we can get some legislation sponsored to just, you know, I'm not for, I'm not for price fixing generally. I'm a market guy. I believe, you know, let the market decide what something is worth. But not when it comes to hot dogs, coffees, and cheap beer. They should all be under a dollar. And maybe we can get some legislation that, that helps us get to this sort of utopia that I've been, I've started talking about last week, and that I can see you guys are interested in as well. 772 writes in, "Hey Jake, 772 here, South Florida by way of Northern Wisconsin. My favorite band was and is Boston. I think Brad Delp's story is fascinating and tragic. He was a genius, lots of court cases and fellow bandmates,

• 17:24Jake Brennan?

  and also rumor of him secretly filming his girlfriend's sister." Before he tragically killed himself with carbon monoxide using two grills in his bathroom. Tom Schultz from the band Boston is another really interesting character. Highly educated, heir of the Polaroid camera inventory. Keep up the great work. You helped me get through the day 772. I know about this story and I've long thought about telling it. And, you know, in Boston, in the city, Boston, this has been, this story's sort of been in the ether, floating around. Nobody really wants to touch it. I think the Boston Herald did a piece on it.

• 18:04Jake Brennan?

  And it's a, it's a nasty story, man. It's a nasty, nasty story. And anything involving kids, I don't like to go near, just because, you know, it's, I mean, you'd be like, why? You, you cover cannibalism and you cover all these atrocities and yeah. But there's just something about having your head in the abuse of children during the research phase. And then it's just too much. And then do you really want to sit through 30 minutes, 40 minutes, 50 minutes of that type of content? I don't necessarily. But this story's really fucked up for a bunch of different reasons as well. So maybe there's a way to tell it that wouldn't be completely gross and disgusting. I don't know.

• 18:45Jake Brennan?

  If you guys, if you guys want to go down a wormhole though, get into this Brad Dell Boston story. It's all out there. 6179066638. You can leave me a voicemail on any topic, question of the week, or just anything that's on your mind, episodes you want to hear, topics you want me to discuss. All right, let's hear from Kuba in the 614.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is Juba from the 614. Oh man, Miles Davis, one badass motherfucker. This was my favorite, these two, this two-part episode was my favorite by far. And I have listened to every one of your episodes at least twice. I will probably listen to this four times. The, it is written beautifully and just flowed just like Miles Davis. I never knew about him playing the trumpet to the birds.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  And when you were describing that, it just, I could hear it. I could feel it and it made so much sense and how beautiful.

• 19:57Jake Brennan?

  Thank you, Cuba. Thank you, six one four. I appreciate the kind words on the Miles Davis two part episode, the rewind episode that we dropped into the feed. Uh, this episode is definitely akin to the Louis Armstrong episode. Obviously the genre jazz. I mean, that's, it's kind of like comparing a Ferrari to a muscle car, but, or in Miles' case, a Lamborghini to a muscle car. Um, but still they're in conversation with each other. And if you like that Miles Davis episode, you got to check out the Louis Armstrong episode and vice versa. Also, I've said this before, I'll say it again. Matt Bowden, who mixes these episodes, produces them with me, crushed the mix on the Miles Davis two part episodes, as he always does.

• 20:38Jake Brennan?

  But, um, you know, these are, these episodes here, the Miles episodes are kind of like, you know, if I was walking down the street and someone ran up to me and was like, hey, what disgracing episode should I listen to for the first time? I think I might give them these two. That's how much I love the way they came out. All right, let's check out this voicemail from Johnny in the six one seven.

• 20:56Speaker 05

  Hey, what's up Jake? It's Johnny Vinyl, long time brother, uh, just chiming in here on a complete unknown. First of all, I'm so glad that you went to see that movie and that you kept an open mind because it kind of bummed me out to hear you say that you just weren't in a Timothy Chalamet, but you know what? Each to their own. I, I like you appreciate very strong opinions. So, you know, I was like, wow, can Jake, uh, can he be flipped on this movie? Because I was convinced that you could be. So I went to see it with 12 other people. I went to see it with my brother in laws, my sister in laws, my girlfriend and all of the kids. And the kids ranged from age eight up to age 16. Okay. They were glued to that screen. They did not move from their chairs. They did not gab away.

• 21:41Speaker 05

  They were glued to that. Screen and every single kid loved that movie and every single kid got into Bob Dylan after that movie. My daughter owns the soundtrack on vinyl. She listens to it to death and Timothy Chalamet was amazing. I'm a huge Bob Dylan fan. I'm very critical of the way he would be portrayed by anybody. My brother-in-law feels the same way. We thought Tim absolutely crushed it. We thought that Monica playing Joan Baez was amazing. We thought that just the cast was unbelievable, but I liked that the movie stuck to the time piece. It stuck to the facts. It didn't try to overdramatize anything. That is the way that a pure biopic should be done and I hope that others learn the

• 22:25Speaker 05

  lesson of how a biopic should be done. That's all I gotta say. Keep up the good work, Jake.

• 22:29Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, Timothy Chalamet, ding dong. He did deliver indeed. He was amazing. I stand corrected. I did not have high hopes for this film in part because I'm just not a big fan of that dude. Not, not some, I shouldn't say that. I'm kind of indifferent to him and I, I didn't think he would bring a lot to the table and boy, oh boy, was I wrong. As I mentioned in the bonus section of the after party last week to you guys, I, I went to see A Complete Unknown, gave my review. Johnny, uh, yeah, man, I'm, I'm happy you liked it as well and really great to hear that all the kids were into it because I, I've been thinking about bringing my kids, like I mentioned, to see this and they're, they're pretty young, but I think they would love it.

• 23:14Jake Brennan?

  It's funny, this past weekend, we had house guests and I found myself in an argument about this movie with somebody who had not seen it, but who was not interested at all in watching it. Basically had the same exact sort of pre critique that I had, just not looking forward to it, just been burned by so many bio, music biopics before and thought that this was going to be awful. Thought that Dylan was too much of an enigmatic character to actually be able to capture on screen. Um, but you know, whatever, I hope I impressed upon this dude to go see the movie. I don't think I did, but Johnny, maybe he'll hear this and maybe he'll hear your enthusiasm as well and that will compel him. Movie's great. You should all go check it out and if you do and you don't like it, well, Johnny will

• 23:59Jake Brennan?

  fight you. Emma Lewis, AKA at MsMurphy69 on X writes in, hey Jake, I've been meaning to ask for ages, how many loops are on that MK1? I've been listening since today.com and it got me thinking. I don't really understand the text. I do understand the question. Uh, MK1 and MK2 represent the type of loop. Okay. Uh, the Mellotron is its own beast and the power of the Mellotron is endless. There are loops galore. And I read this text because Matt Bowden, I'm talking to you, buddy. You know what we gotta do. Just dropping this in here. One less email. Okay. You got it. Hit me up. Brooke McLeod Burks writes in on Facebook. Hey, not sure if you've done one

• 24:44Jake Brennan?

  on Howard Hughes, but if not, check out this book. This all happened near where I live. Very convincing. The book is called Boxes, The Secret Life of Howard Hughes by Douglas Wellman. And this is interesting. I was actually, I'm interested in this. I don't know that I'm gonna ever do an episode on Howard Hughes, maybe for, for Badlands. Um, I'll have news on Badlands soon, by the way. Um, but I was actually reading last night, and again, CIA is everywhere when it comes to culture and their involvement with Howard Hughes. Fascinating stuff. Uh, also, this was in reference to the, uh, like I said, the teensy tiny little news we got on the JFK files so far. So Brooke, very interesting. I might just read that book,

• 25:29Jake Brennan?

  uh, just for, you know, the hell of it. And maybe it ends up being, uh, some sort of episode in the future. Thanks for reaching out, guys. At Disgraceland Pod on Facebook. Lots going over, going on on our Facebook page recently in the last, uh, month or so. Okay. If you're not following us on Facebook, if you're on Facebook and you're not following us on Facebook, you're really missing out. We're releasing a lot more content over there. A bunch of video content, uh, a lot of which is not getting released on Instagram or anywhere else. So get over there and follow us at Disgraceland Pod on Facebook. If you're not on Facebook and you're like, hey, man, I'm on, I'm on Instagram, or I'm on X, or I'm on Instagram and X and Tik Tok, and I just don't have the bandwidth. I get it. I get

• 26:11Jake Brennan?

  it. There's too many apps. I totally understand. But I'm telling you, we're doing more on Facebook these days. And if you're like, hey, man, Facebook's just for the old. For the boomers, that's not true. It's not true. If you're Gen X, if you're a millennial, Facebook is the biggest platform on the planet. I'm not here to pump Facebook's tires. I'm just telling you that we've got a cool community over there and releasing a bunch of content over there. We've increased our follower count. We've doubled it actually in the last few months and we're going to keep releasing stuff, video content, I should say, music related video content over on Facebook. So give us a follow. Penny Hambling Anderson writes in, hey, Jake, I am from the 801 area code and maybe the only one from Utah.

• 26:53Jake Brennan?

  Uh, no, we have more Utah listeners than just you, Penny, but I think I know what you're getting at. You're also saying, I'm also, she's directly contradicting what I was just saying about Facebook, Penny saying, I'm also one of your much older listeners. Penny, you don't look that old. I'm looking at your picture here. You're aging yourself and I don't think you should do that because you look pretty good, Penny. Penny goes on to say, I love your podcasts and the stories you find on people are incredible. I don't listen weekly or anything, but I fill up an SD card. Okay, Penny, this is some old, this is some old people's stuff here. I fill up an SD card with about 30 or 40 at the time and I listen in my car. So I hear them in alphabetical order. LOL.

• 27:33Jake Brennan?

  I'm sorry, I'm laughing at the LOL, not the order you put them out. Anyway, I love the crossover between Disgrace Land and Badlands. Keep up the good work. Love you, man. Penny, Penny, I love you too. Like I said, news on Badlands coming soon. Thanks for reaching out, Penny. Okay, the very young, the very, the very millennial Terry Demron on Facebook writes, the Disgrace Land podcast is one of my absolute favorites. I'm joking. I'm not joking about what Terry said or how old she appears to be in her Facebook profile picture, but I, look, I don't care how old the listeners are or how young they are, as long as you guys are enjoying what we're pumping out. And I don't care, I don't care what platform you're getting it on either. Just keep showing up. All right. I appreciate you.

• 28:17Jake Brennan?

  At Disgrace Land Pod on all the platforms and you can hit me up anywhere. Gala Avery over on Instagram writes in response to our November 4th, 1995 nostalgia video, rock. Rock-a-roller, rock-a-roller, right back at you, Gala. Thanks for checking in. Russell Shoats III writes on Instagram, "With all due respect," this is in reaction to our Debbie Harry video with Ted Bundy, "no judgment yet. This isn't entertainment," talking about disgraced land content. "This is one of the best distractions ever created to get the masses to look out instead of looking inward to find knowledge of one's own life. Know thyself. #KnowThyself.

• 29:02Jake Brennan?

  Russell, you got me. You figured it out. I am a CIA psyop put here to specifically distract all of you from looking in at what you've become. How dare you become what you've become? How dare you? You need to look inside. Free yourself. And as En Vogue said back in the 90s, "Your ass will follow." They, of course, were ripping off George Clinton. But hey, that's what the CIA doesn't want you to know, man. Wouldn't it be funny if I was a CIA psyop? That'd be fucking hysterical after all this. Love it. @DisgracedLandPod on Instagram,

• 29:44Jake Brennan?

  X, Facebook, [email protected]. I'm gonna be back with your emails and the story of the week right after this.

• 29:59Speaker 06

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• 31:35Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. This week's story of the week, you know the drill, guys. Story of the week by now. Hit me up. Let me know of some story of rock and roll, animalism, the spirit of rock and roll, whatever you want to call it, the preservation of rock and roll, something rock and roll that has happened to you that you witnessed firsthand, and/or a great rock and roll story that maybe you heard from somewhere else. Okay, why do I have to be the one who's always telling the stories here? You guys need to tell me some stories, okay? Hit me up. We'll gather all the stories together. We'll get this collective, this sort of preservation project that we have here in Disgrace Land. And every week, I'm going to read one of these stories to you, okay? [email protected], on email 617-906-6638. If you want to send me a text or a voicemail.

• 32:18Jake Brennan?

  This week's story of the week comes from the860, from a Disgrace Land listener named Gloria. I'm not going to read all of her message here because it's very long, and I can appreciate that. It's actually a bunch of stories that she sent in. Gloria, you need to get your own podcast, Gloria. Gloria, kidding. Gloria tells this story, it's a really funny one, about being trapped in a casino with Bon Jovi, the band, which, and she was a young girl at the time, but this seems like a time when Bon Jovi was maybe a little later in their career. Her dad was in the music business, which is how this came to be. She goes on to tell this story here. I have quite a few stories.

• 33:01Jake Brennan?

  Like my dad's radio station was the station who had Milli Vanilli performing when they had their track skip. And then she goes on to talk about how her dad was friends with Fabrice. Her dad really sounds like a character here, sort of an older silver fox guy is what I'm imagining here from her, her many texts. She says that her father has some stories too of Summer Jam in Rochester, New York, with this girl in a band who asked for my dad to come to Niagara Falls with them. And my dad took them all in his convertible sports car and crossed the border. And turns out the lead singer of that band was a girl who was obsessed with my dad and her name was Fergie. Okay. All right, great.

• 33:44Jake Brennan?

  She goes on to talk about, uh, this is why I wanted to read this to you. Last but not least, I have quite a memory of Lana Del Rey asking for my dad's phone number after a show. He was such a gorgeous and polite man, she said. Is he single? And my dad was like, um, I love this. I love, because I love Lana Del Rey hitting on an old dude after one of her shows. I just think that's perfect. That's the exact type of story of the week that we're looking for. Thank you, Gloria. I appreciate it. Took a while for us to get there, but we did it. Guys, hit me up with your story of the week. [email protected], 617-906-6638.

• 34:28Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, leave a review for Disgraceland on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. You know the drill. We send out some free merch, whatever we got lying around the studio, whatever happens to be in arms reach. We appreciate the reviews. The reviews help drive discovery of the show and that's super important. Aquaman470 over on Apple Podcasts writes this week. Hey, do you love music? What about the stories behind some of the greatest cultural phenoms in history? You have found your new home. This is the place to be for all the best stories about all your favorites. Thank you, Aquaman470. Get in touch. We'll get some merch out to you. Over on Spotify, RP16 writes, Jake, Disgraceland is one of my very favorite podcasts.

• 35:10Jake Brennan?

  Excellent storytelling, even if I think that maybe an episode won't interest me at first, only because I'm not familiar with the subject or it's a genre I'm not into. Like this Louis Armstrong episode, it does not matter. I am sucked into the story every single time. Thank you for the great writing and all the work that you put into this. It's one of the highlights of my week. Thanks. Special shout out to Zeth Lundie for the great writing on that Louis Armstrong episode. Rpain16, get in touch. We'll get you some merch. Guys, go ahead and leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. We appreciate it mightily. This episode unfortunately is nearing its end for a lot of you, but not for all of you. Okay. For some of you, the party continues. Okay, we're going to continue the after-party here. Okay, we're going to go to that special secret room in the back,

• 35:54Jake Brennan?

  and we're just gonna all sit around, kick back, have a nice, nice drink as the, as I used to call them, the asshole birds. Those were the birds that came up really, really, really, really early in the morning. And if you heard those birds and you were still up and you were still out, well, my friend, you are an asshole. So that's what we're about to get into right now. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna go into the room with the asshole birds on the other side of the window. And we're gonna just chat a little bit about some extra stuff here, some, some extra bonus content for you all for who are All-Access members. And again, All-Access members know that you get a lot of content and it doesn't cost a lot to be an All-Access member. It's just $5 a month. Okay. In my utopia, that's

• 36:33Jake Brennan?

  five hot dogs, that's five coffees, that's five cheap beers. Okay, five bucks a month. I'm telling you, man, what's a medium coffee at Starbucks? It's gotta be five bucks, right? You get done putting all that crap in it, you're up around $6, $7 for one coffee. You're not even gonna drink all of it. Okay. You're gonna put it in your cup holder, you're gonna get behind your wheel, you're gonna go for a drive, you know, you're gonna spill some, you're gonna, you know, you're gonna, I don't know, you're not gonna drink all that coffee in that medium cup. You just spent $7, $8, $12. You spent $12 on a coffee. Come on, man. Five bucks to be an All-Access member. That's all costs. Get in here. You get the bonus section of the All-Access after-party that we're about to get into. You also get

• 37:15Jake Brennan?

  ad-free listening plus an exclusive DisgraceLand episode, full episode per month. All right? That's a lot of content for five bucks. All you gotta do to become an All-Access member is to go to disgracelandpod.com/membership. That's my dog scratching her neck in the background. Can you hear that? Dusty, what are you doing? All right, I gotta take a break. Back in flash.

• 37:54Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, guys. A bunch of cool archive episodes, as always. Mentioned in this bonus episode, Grateful Dead, Public Enemy, Lana Del Rey, Charles Manson. We mentioned Shaq, he shows up in the Kobe episode, an episode that has turned out to be quite controversial amongst Disgrace and listeners, to put it charitably. Matt is gonna, as always, Matt's gonna have the episode information, episode number in the show notes on all these archive episodes for you to check out. So guys, get into the archive, check out these episodes, go give them a re-listen. You learn so much more on re-listen. I know I do. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number one, I want your story. Call me, text me, hit me up on the socials with your favorite story of rock and roll animalism, a wild story about a rock star that you're aware

• 38:38Jake Brennan?

  of, or that you want to tell me that I've already told you that you know more about than I do. I don't know, a story you and your friends continuously talk about, maybe something that happened to you, okay? And in the process, tell me who you are, tell me where you're from, and how long you've been listening to Disgrace. And all right, number two, right now in your feed, our episode on Louis Armstrong. Number three, coming tomorrow, rewinding back to our Sly Stone, episode number four, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, this week's episode subject, Louis Armstrong passed away on July 6, 1971, and here are the Billboard charts from the day this musical icon died.

• 39:18Jake Brennan?

  Number one, "It's Too Late," I Feel the Earth Move Under My Feet, Carole King, last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, nine. Number two, "Indian Reservation," The Raiders, last week, four, peak position, two, weeks on chart, thirteen. Number three, "Treat Her Like a Lady," Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose, last week, five, peak position, three, weeks on chart, thirteen. Number four, "Rainy Days and Mondays," Carpenters, last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, eight. Number five,

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• 40:46Jake Brennan?

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