KHC 156 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 13 with Marlon “Chito” Vera

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode! This week we’re joined by Marlon “Chito” Vera - Ecuadorian professional mixed martial artist. Cam took Chito on his first ever Blacktail Hunt, and Chito’s here to talk about it - the hate comments, his thoughts on his first hunt, what he thinks could make the UFC better, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 Chito’s Thoughts on Hunting 00:10:38 Hate About Chito Hunting … “Trophy Hunters” 00:13:55 Hours in the Woods & Holding Your Sh*t All Day 00:17:27 Gringos & Tortos 00:19:38 Re-Population of Elk, Bucks, Does, Etc 00:21:12 Cam’s Crazy Workouts Lately 00:25:28 Sh*t Talkers Weekly Shirts 00:33:43 Appreciation for Lineman 00:35:16 Hoyt’s New 2026 Bow 00:38:39 Chito’s Future Plans in Hunting & the Keeping the Tradition 00:47:14 The Emotional Impact of Hunting vs Fighting 00:54:08 Chito’s First Experience Having Dairy Queen 00:55:55 Chito’s Running Plans 01:03:28 Celebrity Boxing Matches & Money in Boxing 01:07:41 Pressure on the Fight Judges & How the UFC Could be Better 01:18:03 Who Would Chito Want to Fight in a Celebrity Fight? 01:20:14 F#*k, Marry, Kill: Cars, Hunting, Fighting 01:24:50 Final Thoughts, Guns, and F#*k, Marry, Kill for James Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is Shit Talkers Weekly with Marlon Chito Vera and Gideon.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Mmm, mmm, mmm.

• 0:28Cameron Hanes?

  That part sucks, but he's, we're stuck with him. We're like, when you have a kid, I guess you're stuck with him.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  I mean, there's pieces of shit that leave the kid, so we're very people. We stuck to him.

• 0:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, right, right. We could have given him up. We could have put him up for adoption, but.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  We could live in Powers.

• 0:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You want to go to Powers?

• 0:51Speaker 02

  I don't think too many of my people live there.

• 0:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, no.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  True, true. You won't be accepted there. It's a very.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  It can't be my true self.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to like hide on the woods until you find some, something like you.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  I've been hiding my whole life, just in the closet.

• 1:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, so we, we decided this is a new setup. Me and Chito just did a awesome deer hunt and James, I, I thought we were, you guys were going to be side by side and like, you know.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  I was wishing for that.

• 1:28Cameron Hanes?

  Spooning and.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  We could, I mean, we slept like two nights together.

• 1:34Cameron Hanes?

  But instead, James thought this would be good to show the behind the scenes with the cam candidate Pittsburgh Steelers jersey. I don't know. Can you see that?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, cool. And, uh, yeah, we, uh, yeah. So we're going to try this. We're going to try shit talkers with, I can't even see Gideon. There he is. It looks like Where's Waldo back there? Peaking over the wall.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Fucking.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Peeping Tom.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  You've been hiding, dog.

• 2:01Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, so what's, uh, what's on the docket? I want to talk about first, you killed a buck today.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Brand new hunter rebel.

• 2:11Cameron Hanes?

  What, what, what do you think about it?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  I love it. I, I've been trying to hunt with you. Or with anyone extremely high level like you for a long time. And I grew up in a farm, so I've been.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  I was in the woods my whole life when I was a kid and I. You know, most kids, when the dad would say, hey, time to go for the farm, like the dad gotta work. Mom gotta be the company and the kids, of course, gotta follow the family. Most kids, I remember my friends, they were like hating go to the shrimp farm or to the regular farm with, with the pints because it's boring. The mom and my dad would say, get ready, we're leaving. I would be like boots on, in shirt. And I was like, just excited to go.

• 3:01Cameron Hanes?

  Couldn't, couldn't wait.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Couldn't wait. And then I remember our house. I remember when my dad started building the first farm. The house was like halfway done. It wasn't even livable. There was no lights, no water. It was just like half of the house was done, one room. And then the kitchen was like no roof and shit, so. A barely done restroom and.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  I picked that after my dad. I can't wait till I have like the perfect setup to bring the family. He would bring us there and be like, you guys want to spend the night? And my mom would be like, no, I don't know. It's kind of like the kids. I will be like, yeah, we're staying tonight. And that's why this was, it was like middle of the woods, no signal.

• 3:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Like no fancy, nothing, just. I don't know. I just love, love it so much.

• 3:52Cameron Hanes?

  The simple life.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Simple life. And I have killed animals, but I have killed chicken or pigs before, but it one thing is like the employees or my dad helped me and you know, they teach me how to do it. And the other thing is going and look for this for the box. And that takes another level of like work ethic and knowing where they are because I mean, since this is my first time is looking through the binoculars, how you call them?

• 4:21Cameron Hanes?

  Binoculars.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Binoculars.

• 4:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Looking through that. So I mean, sometimes you guys were saying this like, oh no, they might be there. You just can see them. And I was like, in my mind, I would take it off. I was like, if I, if I can see it, there's nothing there. And then all of a sudden, oh my God, it's there's actually something like the way they can hide.

• 4:42Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  It's crazy. And

• 4:45Speaker 01

  but I'm so fucking glad we got one.

• 4:47Cameron Hanes?

  It was uh

• 4:48Speaker 01

  glad.

• 4:49Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I'm glad we got one, but you're also now the most hated man in Ecuador, apparently I read. Um, so you, there, there is some, we get backlash for, I guess, living an honest life of providing for ourselves. I mean, that hoodie you got on right there, it's like train, hunt, provide. I think it says on there. So that's all we do. We train, we hunt and we provide. That's what meat is. We're providing. Ketone IQ is now backed by research from KU Luvin and Team Visma. Ketone IQ is showing powerful results in helping your body bounce back quicker and push harder, especially in tough, low oxygen conditions. Here's what the science says. Number one, ketone support EPO production.

• 5:30Cameron Hanes?

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• 6:14Cameron Hanes?

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• 6:59Cameron Hanes?

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• 7:09Speaker 01

  I feel like the confusion gets on, people might think, oh, this mother have money? He pay some, somebody literally put this animal in a corner and I shoot him for the photo. And you know, I don't give a if that's what you think. I give a for what I think. And I kill an animal that you helped me find. We got him, carry the animal. It's not like we, you know, it's not like you kill the animal. You take a photo and you leave a dead animal in the middle of nowhere. And that's ignorance because. What's the first thing we did when we get to the house?

• 7:53Speaker 01

  We eat the liver. We eat the most nutrition is part of the animal and I mean, we can go on and on and on on why it's better to do your own killing and maybe what you pay for is the way they kill the animals, but why explaining something to a bunch of morons? Go and fuck yourself, yo. I'm happy I get to kill an animal and I can't know the way to we or I go hunting again.

• 8:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  The experience is amazing. If you like the woods and you're, you know, tough enough to do the labor, walking a lot up and down, get in the car, go to the next spot, up and down, like it's not cute, it's not fancy.

• 8:36Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm. Was it harder than you thought it was gonna be?

• 8:40Speaker 01

  No, it was it was just as hard as I thought it would be. Like, like I told you in the car, like I feel like I've been a fan for so long and I've been listening you and Joe talking about it and sometimes, you know, the story time like, oh, it took us five days of all day working and nothing. And then on the sixth day, we get to catch one and I pretty much came with a lot of information.

• 9:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  That's why I never asked, like, on the first day that we spent from five in the morning till five P M. looking for one. I was never like, hey, I want, I wanna have a break. I need a restroom, like, I just didn't say nothing, enjoy the moment because I feel like by listening, it's like, it's like reading, you get knowledge. I feel like I knew a little bit of what was getting myself into it. But it was the expectation was everything as good as I thought it would be. It was just as good or better. And then the hard part, it's hard. You gotta walk. You gotta all day climb mountains, go down, go on crazy terrains and if you get a kill like we did today,

• 9:52Speaker 01

  it was far. And then bringing the bug all the way up.

• 9:57Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  I mean, it wasn't easy. It was, it was a fucking ride.

• 10:04Cameron Hanes?

  It was, uh, yeah, I, I like, uh, how you described all that. I'm just, you know, we could have, there was a younger two-point forked horn, um, yesterday morning, the first morning, and I was, uh, it would have been not a real high percentage shot. So, and not an old buck either. But also, I didn't want it to be over in an hour because you've been wanting to hunt for so long. And I thought that that would be doing a disservice to, to you and, and, you know, maybe you're developing passion by ending it so soon, potentially ending it so soon. And also because of the shot, but I wanted more opportunity to share what I love with you. And one of the best

• 10:46Cameron Hanes?

  times I thought was yesterday evening, we did the walk down the road and we were able to look at tracks where you found the snake, right? And, uh, I was able to say like, well, well, when we're looking for a buck, a lot of times like an old buck, you'll, it's just a, a sea of nothingness, basically, this logging unit. But we can sometimes see a white face, right? That those old bucks have a white face with white muzzle. Or I said, you know, sometimes we see a horizontal line because I said, if you look in the woods right now, there's not many horizontal lines. And you picked that up because even when you saw that cow at the end of the road, I bet it was like the, the straight line that's not in the woods. And then

• 11:27Cameron Hanes?

  you noticed that your eyes went to that same thing on the deer. So I was able to say, you know, talk about the wind, like the, we were walking down the road, the wind was at our back. I said, it's gonna be probably not gonna see anything because they've already smelled we're coming. But just those little things, those little, it's hard to go over that stuff unless you have like the real life example to, to cite and, and more time. Um, so I was very thankful for that, even just that one little hunt we did yesterday evening. But, um, yeah, it was, we found the buck we're after. I wanted you to kill an old buck. That's what we're always kind of after. And, uh, you made a great shot right through the heart, uh, which has caused some uproar on your Instagram, but this is the way it goes. And, uh, the buck did not suffer

• 12:11Cameron Hanes?

  at all. He was dead in seconds.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it wasn't like 20 shots or like one shot in the leg. I mean, it was, um, a fair, a fair death because it's like we're going after the meat and that's what population does. You, you, you live and you eat. I mean, I mean, what else can we do about it like?

• 12:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  There's food in there, you gotta eat it.

• 12:35Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I know, you know, you said, whatever, I mean, we, we can't address all the hate, but it's either you kill yourself, the blood's on your hands, or you pay somebody else to kill for you. The blood's still on your hands, you just wrote a check.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:50Cameron Hanes?

  And that's, that's how you, that's how humans survive.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  And I also feel this is how weak, uh, people is these days, like, yes, they think this is like evil, oh, whatever.

• 13:02Cameron Hanes?

  They call you a saintedest.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  That too, like, I mean, I go to church every week, but whatever, whatever you wanna say. But during COVID, you remember people fighting over toilet paper?

• 13:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  That's how weak society is these days, and that's why, like, I would say this is one of the best part of me, like, I'm never,

• 13:23Speaker 01

  I'm never on the read, I'm never like checking who validates me or who gives me shit, I'm like, I have a close circle. If that close circle maintains its strong, and the people that I admire and I love outside my circle is all positive vibrations in me, I mean, that's all that I can ask for.

• 13:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Mom and dad are healthy and alive, my brother and my sister, we're cool, my cousins, we're cool, my family, my wife, my kids are growing in a good environment. What else can I ask? Can't take me to fucking hunting, fucking everything, I mean, we're on business.

• 14:00Cameron Hanes?

  This is shit talkers after all, so hey, you're gonna have to deal with it, but yeah, I like that point, it's like, it does, all the outside noise doesn't matter, you know?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and especially when it's, like, there's the ignorant part of like, oh, you took a trophy, it's a trophy, because I mean, I mean, there's always a typical fat, rich dude in Africa killing giraffe or a elephant.

• 14:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, someone take you, the guy, the guy bringing you in the car, put a perfect shot, you take the shot, maybe the fat bastard didn't even kill the animal, then the guy came and took a perfect shot, then the fat bastard coming in. I mean, sure, that's I don't support that.

• 14:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Because they're not eating that.

• 14:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  I'm eating the deer like the whole thing.

• 14:55Cameron Hanes?

  That's where people who don't understand, they lump everybody in with like the quote trophy hunter. Right. And even that example that you that happens, I guess occasionally, not very often. Right. And but it's definitely not what we do. Yeah. So I I understand where people would frown on that because that that's not my style either. So I get that. But the point is, it's you can't lump all hunters in with that image. And that's that's a stereotype and that's not fair to to the guys that get out there and work their ass off and do it right. And that's ninety nine point nine percent of hunters. So that's that's the people who I surround myself with, who that's the type of hunting that I want to promote. Just like today, we and yesterday, we worked hard and we were rewarded by our effort.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I mean, we spent all day looking. It wasn't like, like you said, like some people say, oh, I haven't get a kill. But it's like, how many hours are you in the field?

• 15:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Are you just going out for a couple hours, go home, take a nap?

• 15:53Speaker 01

  We didn't leave like the place that we were hunting. It's not like we went outside for to put gas or to get water. We brought snacks, water, and no one said like, oh, I need to take a shit. We were peeing wherever we could and I I'm we all hold because we at some point we all want to take a shit. And I was like, I'm just holding it. I'm just holding it.

• 16:18Cameron Hanes?

  I probably should have took a shit.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Speaking of which, I had to eat the most foul smelling fart I have ever experienced.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  It was it was near you?

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Oh, it was deadly. It was terrible.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  I was I wasn't near. Thank God.

• 16:35Cameron Hanes?

  I don't want to do that around company.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  But like, if I told myself this because I had a hoodie inside and I have the the rain jacket on top.

• 16:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  If I would have a T shirt under my hoodie, I would do the most popular one. I would go to a corner, dump it, use the T shirt and leave it there. I have done this when I run. Sometimes I'm running and they came.

• 17:00Cameron Hanes?

  It's hard.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  And somehow, when I'm running long distance, it's not like shit, it's water.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  And I have, there's times that I'm running and I felt that I'm like, okay, I can hold it. I can just, and eventually you forget about it. This time was like, the whole, you opened the holes, the whole, the, the whole thing you opened. And I was just like, I was squeezing hard, hard. And that was the part I was like, I'm gonna shit myself. So I run fast and I get to a place that it was plants and shit. So I don't, you know, I don't wanna throw it in the public. So I, it was just like a volcano of love is gonna. Like three seconds, take my T-shirt out, off, clean real quick, put the T-shirt like aside, then finish the run.

• 17:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, that's a great story.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Have you had one of those?

• 17:57Cameron Hanes?

  But the, but the point is, is we didn't even stop to say shit yesterday. We were just going, we were grinding all day.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, what was the point we were being?

• 18:06Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  The point was like, we didn't left campus, we hunt all day. Like,

• 18:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  We don't even stop. We don't sit on the car and talk.

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, not.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  We were, we were here for fucking hours.

• 18:22Cameron Hanes?

  Well, the, the people, I get, people talk about, hey, you know, I've been hunting for however many years. I don't kill. It's just like, well, you can't kill from the house. You can't kill from the couch. You can't kill from, you have to be out there. I've learned this lesson the hard way, right? So I, a long time ago, I learned, if I wanna be successful, I gotta just spend more time. I gotta be out there more and more. You know, good things happen when you're out there. So I just don't go back. We just hunt all day. That's just all I do.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  You have to stay. You have to stay and you have to give looking.

• 18:54Cameron Hanes?

  And, and to that point, all day yesterday, then today we killed at 11, like middle of the day when most people wouldn't be hunting.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Go lunch.

• 19:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they'd be, you know, taking a break because everybody hunts morning, the evening. That's when the animal's more active. But I, all we needed was one chance. We saw one deer today.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:13Cameron Hanes?

  And he's dead.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, we eat the liver. I fucked the liver. It was good.

• 19:18Cameron Hanes?

  So now that, that was the last deer in existence. So now deer are extinct because of Chito.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Speaking of Chito's Instagram, since you tagged me in that post, what is the term for like a, a heavyset?

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Latin or Latina woman, torta?

• 19:39Speaker 01

  That's the Mexicans call torta, but that's kind of like a, I mean, if someone doesn't understand, like he's from the US, they would think they, it's like a calling a American a gringo. Like it's not offensive, it's just a guy that live in the US. A torta, I believe they call to the fat ladies.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  Well.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  So I was, I would say if a, if a Latina woman follow you or text you, it would be a.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  I've been getting the tortos. The men.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm getting men. I'm sorry, dude.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Are they good looking at least?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  I'm so happy about it.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  I mean, are they, are they your type at least?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I think we call them bears here, but I'm gonna start calling them tortos.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:26Cameron Hanes?

  I thought the heavyset Latinos were thick with three Cs.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah.

• 20:32Cameron Hanes?

  Isn't that how, that's good.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't discriminate.

• 20:37Cameron Hanes?

  No, we're not racist.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  But what's your, what's your type? How you like your men? You like them big like you? You want them as smaller?

• 20:46Cameron Hanes?

  Twinks?

• 20:46Speaker 01

  If your family doesn't know about you being what you are, you can just beat me.

• 20:53Cameron Hanes?

  This is as good a time as any, James.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:55Cameron Hanes?

  You're seen. Oh, I can't see you, but.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  I'm seen.

• 20:58Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe somebody can.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Laughing is not denying.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 21:02Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't hear a, I didn't hear a.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I was, there's no denying. I was just trying to think of what my type is. I haven't gotten that deep into it, you know? No, I'm definitely not as, I'm not as deep as they are.

• 21:15Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, now we're getting to the shit talker. This is like, we're almost too serious for a second.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Bring you guys out of it.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. The deepness of your.

• 21:25Cameron Hanes?

  Balls.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Balls, right. And what of your friends inside you have take us out of serious conversation?

• 21:33Cameron Hanes?

  What else did you have on there? What's on your list today?

• 21:36Speaker 02

  I did want to talk about uh repopulation, which is, we talked about this in the field, but

• 21:43Cameron Hanes?

  This is actually science. This isn't, this isn't just hearsay.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  We, we were talking about the difference between bucks and does, or bulls and cows.

• 21:52Cameron Hanes?

  And I was saying like, you know, to knock down the population, you kill cows usually, right? If they, if they think there's too many elk or too many whatever, they'll issue more cow tags, which led us to an interesting point.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Yes. Nine women and one man can repopulate the earth, but nine men and one woman cannot.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  But the second one will be your favorite, right?

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we can get rid of the woman.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  I just be like, oh, boss, the period. So nine women, one man, that's a lucky bastard.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Think about it. I mean, it's gonna be, it's gonna be a drama.

• 22:32Cameron Hanes?

  Bitched out like, when are you gonna wash the cars from nine women?

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, everything is, everything's a balance, right?

• 22:41Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  The price of fucking.

• 22:43Cameron Hanes?

  What's the good part?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  I mean, you're smashing nine for the price of one.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  The real question is, do you think you can handle nine?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been with the same one my whole life, so I don't know. We're gonna, we're gonna ask a player out there and see. I've been married since something like 12.

• 23:03Cameron Hanes?

  Hey, that's how they, that's how Ecuador rolls, I guess, huh?

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, okay.

• 23:08Cameron Hanes?

  So good.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  I did want to talk about uh your workouts, Cam. Chito, have you seen him post his workouts?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  The lifting ones?

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Uh, just.

• 23:17Cameron Hanes?

  Like the, what, the, the ones that caused a lot of great disdain were the standing on the ball.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Well, I haven't seen, yeah, yeah.

• 23:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. What do you think about that?

• 23:27Speaker 01

  I mean, pre-bany.

• 23:29Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty what?

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Baney, a lot of veins.

• 23:32Cameron Hanes?

  Oh veins?

• 23:32Speaker 01

  And then like, kind of funny, but I know the benefits of the, you know, tendons and shed.

• 23:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, you like, okay, so maybe like, I guess, why my workouts might make sense more would be after packing the deer today. What do you, what do you think? So like carrying the rock is kind of weird. Those are weird. I'm always trying to like, test my body in different positions because as you can attest to after today.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the rock thing makes a thousand percent sense. You on top of the ball with the balance, it looks funny, but I get it like.

• 24:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  We were, when I had the elk.

• 24:12Cameron Hanes?

  Deer.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  You got, yeah, the deer, you can pack an elk, that's impossible, unless you're giant. The deer, you go on, on muddy ground.

• 24:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Um, when the, when the wood in the ground is wet.

• 24:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Good. Rock that you eating shit.

• 24:27Cameron Hanes?

  That angle.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  I, I felt so hard before that today, that it was heavy, but you need to train your body on a stable.

• 24:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  And going uphill, not in perfect condition, makes perfect sense.

• 24:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Like having like a rock moving you.

• 24:44Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Like, you ha- like if you're hunting often, you gotta do that kind of weird shit because just like, I run and leave and I fight, like I'm strong.

• 24:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  But that kind of strength, you just don't get it from punching the bag and running long miles because the, the surface is so unstable, you hitting grass, you hitting uh, wood that is left over from the, from the, from the cutting wood people. Like there's, there's a lot of things that can go wrong. Like, I, I felt with the elk on my back when I was crossing that little like river or water.

• 25:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  It was like you have to step over little trees and then, yeah, it was, it's heavy.

• 25:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, it's, and heavy, you mean like intense.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Intense.

• 25:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's a lot.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Up the hill with that unstable way, like you gotta grab the horns, you the legs. It was an intense experience because you don't want to be a bitch and just be like, oh, I can't do this.

• 25:47Cameron Hanes?

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• 26:30Cameron Hanes?

  or mix chocolate salt into your morning coffee for a mean moka. Element is offering listeners of the podcast a free Element sample pack with any purchase at www.drinklmnt.com/cam. Also try new Element sparkling, a bold 16-ounce can of sparkling electrolyte water. When you're miles from the truck and breaking down a big bull, you can't afford a knife that won't hold up. That's why I built my own signature blade with Montana Knife Company, the Keep Hammering Pack Out. It's lightweight, razor-sharp, and built in the USA to handle everything from caping to quartering. This is my go-to backcountry knife, tough, reliable, and made for hunters who push hard.

• 27:14Cameron Hanes?

  Here's the deal, the last time we released a Pack Out, it sold out in under 24 hours. Gone. You need to be ready the second they go live at montanaknifecompany.com because they won't last. And if you can't wait until then, Montana Knife Company gives listeners of this podcast 10% off any knife right now. Just use code CAM at checkout. You kicked ass. You did a great job carrying that.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  I really pushed heavy. I pushed like with.

• 27:42Cameron Hanes?

  You to failure.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  I went to failure. Yeah. I like, I fell and I was like, I can't do it more. And then I see like a half lock, like, I don't know, like. Thirty feet away and I say, okay, let's push till then that kind of will make it half and then I can pass it over.

• 28:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  Because otherwise was wait five, 10 minutes, but you don't want the meat to be in the ground like that.

• 28:05Cameron Hanes?

  Right, yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Luckily you were there, saved the day.

• 28:09Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, you did a great job. I mean, you're, like I said, I said, you're, we know you're a badass, you know, so you don't have anything to prove and you, you still took that, I mean, you're, you're a beast, dude. It was awesome. But the point is, it's like, you can't, and I had people like saying, oh, uh, I don't know, saying like there's no benefit to doing what I do. I'm like, go carry a fucking buck up the mountain. Let me know. Let me know if you might have a different point of view, because I don't know what you're training for, but I know what I'm training for.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:40Cameron Hanes?

  Right? And I know how I train prepares me for what I had to do today.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  And it makes sense. We all train for what we do, like, and some people isn't strong enough that can cross over, like, you run, you do ultras, you live, like, you just don't hunt. Like, some people just do more than one thing.

• 29:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  And if your sorry ass can do more than one thing, fuck you. I mean, that's no one's fault.

• 29:07Cameron Hanes?

  That's a new T-shirt.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  We got a lot. This week, we came with in at least eight T-shirts ideas.

• 29:14Cameron Hanes?

  What's, what are some other T-shirts we have?

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Uh, we got love me or hate me, all you could do is watch.

• 29:21Cameron Hanes?

  That's a good one. That's from Pete Weber.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Yep. Uh, Chito came up with one. He's kind of a big idea guy, right, Chito?

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Great idea guy. Great idea guy.

• 29:30Cameron Hanes?

  Great and big.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. So listen to this. Great idea.

• 29:33Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Are you gonna tell them?

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Where the, you guys are handing off the heart on the front of the shirt and on the back you guys are making.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  I was I was I was balls deep on the front of the shirt if they had enough to hard that's a sick picture but then we got to the back of the shirt and I was just like I say AI workshop that one I say AI at least we have to actually do it

• 30:05Speaker 02

  We don't do anything AI here

• 30:06Speaker 01

  And we can do one one of one

• 30:09Cameron Hanes?

  We're fighting AI so you know it has to be authentic

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah true okay well then

• 30:13Cameron Hanes?

  But I did we did hug after you killed the buck

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah we did

• 30:17Cameron Hanes?

  We got a hugging picture but yeah okay was there another one or what

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Someone someone text me great engagement photo I said you a friend of mine I was like dude that's not cool

• 30:28Cameron Hanes?

  We'll take that one we'll take that over the you're Satanist

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Yeah I mean that that all this shit talk I'm I'm okay but I went to church I go with my family to church I pray I wear my rosary I go like this I pray every day I say thank you I ask for my family That's no putting that aside yeah

• 30:52Speaker 02

  One thing we like to say on shit talkers is it's all love so you can say whatever you want but you just have to say it's all love

• 30:59Cameron Hanes?

  You can say that they're the biggest piece of shits you've ever come across or you've ever met or whatever and you you know like to put a bullet in their head but it's all love

• 31:09Speaker 01

  Okay I mean that's what that's that's what I'd say about rapists they should put a bullet in their heads and not love

• 31:16Cameron Hanes?

  No no love on that one

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Yeah no love on that

• 31:19Cameron Hanes?

  But everything else it's all love

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Like if I became a successful politician I would make that bill pass the first week

• 31:27Cameron Hanes?

  I like it

• 31:28Speaker 02

  You might have some pushback

• 31:30Speaker 01

  Who's not allowing that like why we're not allowing that

• 31:35Cameron Hanes?

  What

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Killing rapists

• 31:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh who wouldn't support that

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Probably all the politicians that are rapists

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Is that a fox or a pussy?

• 31:46Speaker 02

  That's, that's, I don't know who said that. Who's?

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Who said that?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Okay, fuck check it, fuck check it.

• 31:53Cameron Hanes?

  What was another T-shirt? I know we had more.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  This is a good one. Film me bitch.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Hey, see, that's another good idea.

• 32:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so that's what, that's James's, James's job basically is, well, is, there's two versions, you gotta decide, is it bitch? Film me or film me bitch?

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Film me bitch.

• 32:15Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Because bitch film is kind of like a nice way to say, it's like film me bitch, like degenerating the person.

• 32:22Cameron Hanes?

  Right, so I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't need any, I don't want any constructive feedback, I don't need to hear anything else, I don't need, I don't care about anything, film me.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like to think about it as I'm asking questions of like what you want and you just say, film me bitch.

• 32:38Cameron Hanes?

  That's right, so that's a great T-shirt.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Cameron Hanes?

  That's a great, good, good idea guy.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  In the filmmaker world will be sold out.

• 32:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, that'd be good.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Like Hollywood, uh, producer and shit.

• 32:51Cameron Hanes?

  For sure, for sure, though.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  You would see Brad, you would see Brad Pitt with the T-shirt.

• 32:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Walking in New York, Adam Sandler.

• 32:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, not, not Steven Spielberg, but, but yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Is he alive?

• 33:02Cameron Hanes?

  Who, Brad Pitt?

• 33:03Speaker 01

  No, it's Spielberg.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:04Cameron Hanes?

  I think so, yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Jurassic Park, baby, come on.

• 33:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, so, but he's doing the filming, so like, I don't know if the stars would say that to him, though.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe he like his role.

• 33:14Cameron Hanes?

  They should, I don't.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Hey, come, come to my fucking trailer.

• 33:19Cameron Hanes?

  The trailer's rocking, don't come knocking.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  That happens a lot in Hollywood.

• 33:25Cameron Hanes?

  That's what I heard.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Uh, what were some other ones?

• 33:30Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know, yeah, we had like eight, you said we had eight.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  We need to make one for Uncle Kev.

• 33:35Cameron Hanes?

  For Uncle Kev?

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:37Cameron Hanes?

  Like a T-shirt?

• 33:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:40Cameron Hanes?

  He's OG.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  The Electro Man.

• 33:42Cameron Hanes?

  I know, he's just OG, he's like, he did all the cooking today.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  He cooked good.

• 33:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he did a great job, he did the liver.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  The onions were fucking fire.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  They were so good.

• 33:53Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  For real?

• 33:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, we don't like onions.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  I love onions.

• 33:56Cameron Hanes?

  No, we don't.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Why?

• 33:58Cameron Hanes?

  I don't like them, I like, I like, here's what I like, two things, meat, potatoes.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Heavy on the meat.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Heavy in the meat for sure.

• 34:07Cameron Hanes?

  Come on now.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Onions and liver? Come on, man.

• 34:11Cameron Hanes?

  Well, yeah, I mean, livers, I guess, meat, right? But not onions.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Come on, man. They can fire, right? You say it. Don't be a bitch.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Oh, the onions were fire. Yeah, they were really good.

• 34:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so Kevin, I'm not sure his T-shirt would be. Um, yeah, OG badass.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:33Cameron Hanes?

  So he is. He's just done. I love, I love Kevin.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  He's a great guy.

• 34:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we, uh.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  He's funny too.

• 34:39Cameron Hanes?

  I know. He's got those linemen one-liners.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was, he was, he's funny for sure.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, what did he say? What was his joke? The, uh,

• 34:49Speaker 02

  the boss drives up to like a work site and the, the worker is like, uh, you know, doing a good job. He's working really hard and the, the boss comes up and says, man, you're doing a really good job, you know? Keep that up and, uh, you know, he'd just driven up in a brand new truck and he says, you keep that up and next year I can buy a brand new, another brand new truck.

• 35:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  I butchered that, but that's what you should expect.

• 35:12Cameron Hanes?

  We're not surprised. I'm surprised you got even that.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  And then, then, then he told a joke and then it was funny.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  And then, then.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  He, he, that was a good line. I remember that. That was the first day.

• 35:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that was a good, that's a good one though. So that's what linemen do. They just tell one-liner jokes all the time and usually just talk shit to each other. It's cool. It's fun. I mean, I don't know. I wasn't a lineman, but I've been around a lot of them.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  In that area, there's a lot of them, right?

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  Well, no, I worked at the utility here. So I worked at, I was in the water department. Now, linemen are in electric, but yeah, so we co-mingled occasionally.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Same, same. Water and electric?

• 35:52Cameron Hanes?

  No, they, they, uh, linemen are their own, own breed. They don't, they don't, they don't like, uh, Yeah, they're very proud of their work because their work's important and dangerous. And so, yeah, they, yeah, I don't know, just different. It's just construction. Anybody who's in construction, like what they do is

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Is everything.

• 36:16Cameron Hanes?

  Is everything. Yeah, and I get it. Greeks in water, when you putting water line in, that's important and they're all about it. So, yeah, you gotta have

• 36:25Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 36:25Cameron Hanes?

  It's you gotta have pride in what you do and they, yeah, they're all about it for sure. So I don't, it's all good with me. I love people who are, you know, believe in themselves.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  I mean, those jobs are the ones that keeps everything.

• 36:37Cameron Hanes?

  They're the ones that should be celebrated over anything. It's like why we have, you know, we have water when we go to the tap, we have electricity when turn the lights on and and power when we want to heat our house. So, yeah, they're the, I mean, they're the everyday heroes, really, they get not that much love compared to the people who actually do good love, that probably undeserved. But, uh, yeah, I'm a, I'm a fan of a blue collar worker for sure. What you got?

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Okay, kind of switching it up, but I just wanted to ask you, have you checked out Hoyt's new bow?

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  Have I?

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't notice you were, if you were hunting with it this year or not?

• 37:14Cameron Hanes?

  Um, yeah, that's like, so here's, these bows come out, um, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna hunt with anything I haven't like shot a lot with, and you know how serious I take hunting, right? And, uh, these bows come out, it's, it's one, it's kind of a pet peeve that, you know, we're supposed to like get dialed in with our equipment, believe in it, we're gonna kill an animal with it, but then a new one comes out and like, oh, well, we gotta market this because the launch is here, so could you use this, you know, on this hunt you're going on tomorrow? Like, no, no. And people do that. It's, it's, it kinda, it drives me a little crazy that people, um,

• 37:58Cameron Hanes?

  They say, oh, I gotta use this new stuff because, you know, my sponsor wants me to. And it could maybe make this animal suffer, maybe make me less proficient. But it's because they're a sponsor. It's like I'm gonna push the envelope on this. I don't. Anyway, I haven't shot the new bow because it's like, I'm not, I, you know, I got it, I think, right before elk season. And there's no way I'm gonna be using a new bow that I haven't fully vetted and shoot an arrow at an animal before.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  You wanna get super familiar on practice for a long time before you go on the real target.

• 38:38Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, it takes a while to set up a bow, too. I mean, it's, it's, you know, rifles are one thing, but with a bow, it's like even getting your sight tape perfect, just getting, there's a lot of little things that.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  It's way harder. I shoot a lot of guns and a bow is a different animal.

• 38:55Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. And, and just killing an animal with an arrow, especially if I can elk. And, uh, no, I mean, so I have the new bow and it looks great. I'm sure it's amazing. I'm gonna get it set up, but you know, there's no way on short notice, it takes me probably. I mean, I could potentially.

• 39:12Cameron Hanes?

  If I was shooting like maybe out of a blind or at, at, you know, I've taken new bows like on a bear hunt where I'm gonna shoot like 20 yards. I can shoot 20 yards. Pretty accurate with almost any new setup, but you know, hunting is, it's like so unpredictable out there, even just, you know, what we did the last couple of days. It's like you don't know what situation you can be faced with and you know, potentially like I could say, oh, well, I'm gonna limit myself to 20 yards if I call a bull in and keep that range short, but if you hit a bull and you have to, you know, just like that buck took off today, now now you're like, well, if I got an arrow in it, I need to get another arrow in to try to kill it. Maybe that's at 60, 70, 80 yards and you hadn't really had time to make sure that that bow and your.

• 39:57Cameron Hanes?

  Your ability are married up perfectly. It's like, I don't know. I feel like it's disrespectful. And I'm never going to do that. Just, I don't, I don't care what a sponsor and a partner says. I'm just like, I have to believe in what I use above anything, above, yeah, above anything. So, no, I haven't. I haven't, but I will. And I'm pumped. And there's another, there's a new, a new one coming out too, that, uh, I'm pretty excited about. I don't know if they've announced it, but yeah, so we'll see. But no, I haven't. Good question.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Chito, now that you've killed a deer with a rifle, any, uh, future plans for bow hunting?

• 40:32Cameron Hanes?

  Hoyt began with a dream and a simple desire. Create the best bow hunting and target archery equipment possible. And since 1931, that is exactly what they have been doing. I'm skeptical every year that this year's bow will be better than last year's, yet somehow their engineers seem to figure it out. I think that's what sets them apart, is their engineers are all avid hunters themselves. So they take their bows in the field every year with intent to make them stronger, faster, and more accurate. Hoyt is actually my lifetime bow sponsor. Yes, I signed a lifetime contract with them. That is how much I believe in them. Hoyt is offering listeners of the podcast 20% off on all soft good items at Hoyt.com using code C A M. That's cam.

• 41:18Cameron Hanes?

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• 42:01Cameron Hanes?

  And that's all one word. And I'm not going to spell it. Keep hammering. Again, keep hammering, one word for 20% off. Don't roll with weak gear. Go Grizzly.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  From myself, right now, as we're speaking, I would love to keep shooting with a rifle, just because how familiar I am with guns, and how comfy it feels with, like, you know, with shooting. And, I don't know, I shoot every week my guns, all of them, especially the one I carry. That's the one I put the most rounds, because I was even saying, like, this one, one of the best shooters in the world was saying, "When you go to the range and you do over fifty rounds, that's a waste." So I kind of like took that as a advice to go, quick shooting, like, almost like two mags per gun, boom, boom, boom, and go.

• 42:59Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, so, so shooting like too much is not...

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Because then you're just like, there's a point that you're just like shooting for shoot, like...

• 43:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Because you, once you get tired, a lot of things can go. But if you go sharp and you go, you do fifty rounds, pow, pow, pow, pow, and then your aiming is gonna be gonna... But I go every week, that's why it's better to split it in little sessions instead of like...

• 43:21Cameron Hanes?

  Short stands, yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  And hunting, like, I, you, you gave, you give me a bow, which I use often at home, not as often as I shoot guns. It's fun on the target.

• 43:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  But I mean, eventually, I will probably try, but I mean, for that, I need another kind of training.

• 43:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  I mean, probably the same time that I have put the last five years in shooting guns.

• 43:48Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  But I like guns.

• 43:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  I don't, I would love to, I mean, they're getting closer with the bow, it's probably more exciting.

• 43:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  It's more like, more adrenaline.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  But I love my guns.

• 44:03Cameron Hanes?

  I think, I think starting off hunting with a rifle is great. I think you have to get used to the whole process. And, you know, you got a little more leeway with a rifle, because we were at two hundred and fifty yards today. With a bow, you'd have to get fifty or closer. And that's very difficult, when you have a hunted, there's skills you need to develop. And you do that slowly with... The rifle, it's it's uh more room for error and then higher likelihood of success, which that keeps everybody, that keeps you energized and like, oh, I want to do this more. I taste it. You might go, you might bow hunt for ten years and never kill anything. It is so hard, right?

• 44:41Speaker 01

  I mean, even today, when I was looking through the scope, like when I hit the plate earlier.

• 44:48Cameron Hanes?

  That's six hundred yards.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Six hundred yards, yeah, far. I was looking through the scope, breathe, let my breath go, boom, hit it.

• 44:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I was telling you, I said, if we can do it perfectly, you can watch through the scope, watch the bullet hit.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  That was a great advice because if you wouldn't say that, I would probably shoot and look up and that would make the the bullet move. But in the steel plate went toop, I hit it. On the real action, when when the deer was down, was sitting down, the thing was like, I was looking through the hole, but I was doing this. And I was like, come on, come on, relax, relax. Okay, I'm I'm I'm so. So with the bow, gotta be even worse because that happened to me when I'm like in my backyard and I'm like looking through the thing. And I'm using like the thing going like that. And I'm like, okay, calm down, calm down, calm down. And then my shoulders get extremely sore. So I would do probably like half an hour to forty five minutes.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  And then I make sure I put the the little box to practice, kind of like near the plant. So have something to stop it before it hits the wall. Like I don't, I don't, and I have, I think I have only fought one arrow. Like I've been pretty clean with the shoot.

• 46:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  But um, I mean, if I would transition, I probably would get like one of those like fake deers.

• 46:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Because that's a, that's like the next level of practice, I think.

• 46:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's good. It's uh, you know, there's nothing like those real life reps. Like today, you shot at six hundred, perfect. You know, you were like this far off at six hundred yards, which is amazing. And um. On the animal, it's just different. It's looks like now everything's elevated. You got adrenaline. You were prone when you shot the 600. We couldn't get prone to deer hunt because there's grass and stuff in the way. And that buck was bedded downhill, so we're shooting downhill. So it's a tougher angle. And I was, so I was proud of myself at the beginning and then disappointed in myself at the end, but I, you know, saw that buck bedded. I'm like, that's a nice buck, old buck. That's what we want.

• 46:53Cameron Hanes?

  And I was just like, okay, calm. I'm like, Chito, are you ready to kill a buck? I said, let's just, we gotta relax. I said, there's a buck bedded, everything's gonna be good. And that was where I was proud of myself because it's like, you can, you know, people around you are gonna match your energy, right? If I'm like, oh my God, okay, game, which is what I did. Later in that scenario, but it's a, point is, it's like, it is so intense, right? And that's with a rifle even so with the bow at closer range. And you're more fatigued potentially, or you're, that adrenaline spiking because the animal's closer and you know with an arrow,

• 47:34Cameron Hanes?

  you have to make, you get one chance with an arrow, basically. It's just, everything is uh, more intense, more important, more elevated. And it's, I think getting those rep, game time reps into the rifle helps an archer later down the road, say transition.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I feel like, I feel like that, like I feel like get really good with a rifle, get few kills with a rifle.

• 47:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  And then go back to baby steps with an arrow, like, and with a rifle, you can keep getting bigger animal, bigger animal. Then when you're ready for, um,

• 48:10Cameron Hanes?

  Archery.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Archery, go back to a deer, go back to small animal. But as is now, I just wanna keep hunting. I mean, it's, it's fun. It's, it's really fun and it's a. I mean, that's what we're supposed to do.

• 48:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's what man's done forever.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  That's what the man of the house goes out, find the food and bring it home. And that's exactly what we're doing.

• 48:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  And it feels, the taste of that meat when, like I have get meat sent by friends that they kill the animal. That feels amazing. My friends go fish, bring me this great tuna, great, whatever. That's, that feels like from family to family.

• 48:49Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  But when you caught it, when you kill the animal, that's a, that's a different animal.

• 48:55Cameron Hanes?

  It means more. It's just, it's like, you know, yeah, you could maybe get a fat ribeye steak that might have a little more flavor. If you're, if that's all you're after, but there's not meaning in it. There's not, you don't know anything about that steak. You don't know anything about its life or what happened or how it was killed or how it got to, you know, to your barbecue or whatever, wherever you're cooking it. But you know, everything about that liver of that deer today. And it just makes it, so maybe the flavor is a little different, but it means more and it means more as a human. Like that's, that's what we're designed to do.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:30Cameron Hanes?

  Provide, kill, provide, um, share with those we love. So taste, taste is whatever. I'm just like, this is meaningful.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Right. It is, it is meaningful. Like even when the few, the first few pieces of like, of like the turtleneck that we eat today.

• 49:49Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  I felt like, kind of like, I was like, you felt the power of that shit.

• 49:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Because I mean, that animal's been like four or five years on the wild, you know, having fun, eating good.

• 50:01Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  It's a cycle of life. I mean, God provide.

• 50:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  And now we're eating good. I mean, but it wasn't like you just like cornered the animal in a farm during the open woods.

• 50:14Cameron Hanes?

  Well, we saw bear, coyotes, there's lions all around there, elk, deer. I mean, it's, you know, it's.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  I, I, we, it was, that bird was close too. Getting attacked on the spot.

• 50:27Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  The went away.

• 50:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, this is a crazy time for bear to show up, November, you know, I mean, I didn't expect, I didn't have you get it because I didn't expect it. But did you have something you're gonna add?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, I got other topics. I do, I do, I wanted to talk about, uh, Chito earlier, you said like.

• 50:47Cameron Hanes?

  The feeling of killing that deer, once we were back at the cabin, you were like, man, that that kind of feels like winning a fight.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, like the emotions were, it it's like high emotions. I feel like that was like, like in a in a fight, which is what I do for living, like you train so hard and you put your life in the line and then you go to compete in front of millions of people.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  But the feeling of the actual moment and when you get your hand raised was very similar to prepping, flying here. A full day of looking for one, find nothing, go home, sleep, wake up at five in the morning, go again. Look for one, found one, get ready, looking the the animal through through the scope. And then taking the first shot, miss it. You know, you start getting like anxious, like, oh, I'm gonna lose, I'm gonna lose. And for people that understand this, the animal can go away and it's gone forever. Second shot, miss. You're like, oh, this is my chance. Then you're thinking like,

• 51:53Speaker 01

  driving back home with a failure is gonna suck. Third shot came in, boom. Hit him in the heart. Thank God, we're eating good today. But once, once that happened and you're walking down to pick up the catch, it was a crazy feeling like the euphoria of like, this is, it just felt great. And it's hard even to like put it into words, but it's a good feeling knowing that you're gonna eat from your kill. Like I said earlier, like it just tastes different, the food, it just felt powerful.

• 52:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I get that. I'm, I was curious when you were explaining that. Are there times in fights where your your brain is like thinking about all that, like I'm losing, I'm losing. And then, you know, all you're thinking about all the work, everything you've done, and then all of a sudden, you land something big and then your hands raised, just like that.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  It had happened many times and to a lot of people like, sometimes, you know, fighting is ugly. I mean, fighting is. It's not one of those things that you can, you can game plan, you can talk science and there's so much like in fighting, the only problem is like, um, a lot of people that really doesn't belong there. I'm talking in the coaching side, they can sneak through it. That doesn't happen in boxing, that doesn't happen in basketball, that doesn't happen in the NFL. But like, you, like UFC, there's a bunch of like nonsense, like a lot of people that try to be like, hey dude, if you do twenty pushups and then you sprint, that's when I give you power.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Like, there's a lot of like, boots like that in MMA. But like, when you're like having, you're in a fucked up spot and then you start thinking about like, I put all this work and then you've catch, it's like, it's cra- it's a crazy feeling and then you have a full arena, everybody's screaming and at the high level, you've, I mean, you can really know who's gonna win, like, anyone can really win in any given night.

• 53:59Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm, it's uh, yeah, so what I was picking up there was like, it's primal, so you can have this game plan and you can, you know, strategize and do all this, it's a fight. It's two men fight, you know, potentially two women, but two men fighting each other and it doesn't go as scripted sometimes, you're gonna get caught with stuff, you're gonna get whatever, you, you're a human, so you have these thoughts that come in. Well, hunting's the same, hunting can be ugly also, it's not perfect. I mean, if it's perfect, that first shot would have landed perfect, buck would have went down, but it's not perfect, it's like, no. Now, now we're scrambling and you're trying to make the best of it, like, how can I fix this by making this,

• 54:44Cameron Hanes?

  I gotta make the shot hit and fighting's the same and it's like, that, I think that's what we're drawn to is these primal endeavors as men, fighting and hunting. That's been around since man has been around. That's how you survive. You fight and you hunt. And some things never change. It's like, do you have to? No. Like back, you know, whenever man was first existed, you probably had to to survive. We wouldn't be here if our ancestors didn't fight and hunt, right? But now you don't have to. But there's some men who still do it. And it's, it feels right.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  It feels right. I mean,

• 55:21Cameron Hanes?

  Doesn't make it easy, though.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  It doesn't make it any easy. Like, you can literally make a noise and the animal is gone. And once that animal go through the, through the trees, you will never find the, the animal. Like it's just gone for the rest of the life.

• 55:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You said that, like, when that bear disappeared in the timber, you're like, well, can we go in there? And I'm like, we can, but chess is a fight. I mean, it's, it's gonna be tough. They're so quiet. We're so noisy, conversely. They have pads on their feet. They don't have hooves like a deer and elk. So they're quiet. You can't even hear them, just like a lion. You can't hear them at all. We're like, got boots and things like that. So, no, once they're gone, they're pretty much gone, right? And that's just,

• 56:05Speaker 01

  And the, the amount of ground they can cover is,

• 56:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, nuts.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Even if we're sprinting, you're not even close to that.

• 56:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, so anyway, I think that's, I think that's part of the allure to it. It's like, it's this primal desire or calling to fight and hunt for some people. Some people, maybe that's as foreign as, I don't even know what, whatever something very foreign is, but it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel natural, but it is natural. And I think,

• 56:35Speaker 01

  I mean, it is not. Even running, I mean, people run from village to village just to like,

• 56:41Cameron Hanes?

  That's another one.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Like,

• 56:43Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, maybe that's why I love those three things.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  I mean, there's, what kids do when they're little, they run, they play, they eat. If they got a smart parents, they eat like good, nutrient-dense food and, It's like, it's just there, like.

• 56:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  There's the, I saw this big race, it was, I think it was from LA to Vegas.

• 57:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  And these ladies from Peru on a full dress and, and leather sandals.

• 57:08Cameron Hanes?

  I saw that.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Smoke everybody.

• 57:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  That, that, if that doesn't wake you up.

• 57:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  They're not like Jack and sponsored by Nike or.

• 57:17Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  No, they're in a fucking full on dress. That's what they do.

• 57:20Cameron Hanes?

  Humans were designed to do that.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  And if that lady can do it, what make you think that you can do it?

• 57:26Cameron Hanes?

  Right, right.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  But instead of that, you just, you decide to bitch and go eat my McDonald's. Nah.

• 57:34Cameron Hanes?

  You had Dairy Queen.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, for the first time. It was delicious. I mean, you gotta give props to that kind of shit and.

• 57:44Cameron Hanes?

  They made it good to where they tricked people, like, oh, this is so good, and then you're fat.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing. Guys like us, that we understand health, it's like, yeah, I mean, we're in the middle of a hunt. Sure, could we go grab a steak and cook it? Sure, but we're, we're gonna walk five to, we're gonna walk a lot of miles.

• 58:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:06Speaker 01

  Up and down the woods.

• 58:07Cameron Hanes?

  We need some calories.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  We're gonna burn this shit.

• 58:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  But that's what I like, I like, like, when I tell my friends or like normal people, like, it's okay, you can cheat. I'm not telling you to be this cold follower, like, no, I don't eat that, no, I don't eat bread, no, you can eat some shit.

• 58:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  But if like ninety percent of your diet is.

• 58:28Cameron Hanes?

  Clean.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  Dense food, like steak, chicken, salmon, vegetables, fruit, rice, like all the normal shit. Moderate, you'll be fine. You can eat Dairy Queen.

• 58:41Cameron Hanes?

  That's what's hard, is they, they make that shit so good. You have it, you want it again. It's just like.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  You know what's crazy? Like, if I ate like a bowl of rice with a steak and avocado, I'm full.

• 58:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  You eat fucking Dairy fucking Queen. I eat double cheeseburger with bacon.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  The moment it's in my stomach, you goes.

• 59:06Cameron Hanes?

  I want more.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  It feels like you haven't even eaten.

• 59:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  But then you are full. It's just so tasty. They make you think you want more, but you don't want more.

• 59:16Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  You don't want more.

• 59:17Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, yeah. It's a slippery slope. What do you got, shit talker?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Well, speaking of running, we were talking about ultras. I mean, okay, I can't call him an ultra anymore. We were talking about 50 Ks in the truck. Yeah. Well, for some people it is, not for me.

• 59:36Cameron Hanes?

  You're built different.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I'm built different and I'm so good and I'm the gatekeeper of all ultras. Uh, Chito, any plans to run an ultra marathon?

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Man, you put me in the spot. I already put myself on the spot. I'm gonna say it. I was telling my, my three running friends from back home and I was like, hey, guys. I mean, they're like real runners. I'm just a fan of the sport. I was like, hey, guys, for my birthday, which is December 2nd, I would like to run a mile for each year, which is 33 miles. And then I went, why didn't the f-ing setting myself up for do something that stupid? And of course I replied, yeah, we can base you the whole time. Yeah, for those f-ing is nothing.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  They run 20 miles just because, just because. And then I went, I've been running up to 12 miles lately pretty often. So I'm like, I'm sure I can do it, but do I have to? But I already say it out loud, so deep down in my heart, I say, if I can get to 26, I think I can go home and celebrate my birthday with my family. But I also know myself. If I hit 26, I'm like, what is seven more?

• 1:00:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  It's nothing.

• 1:00:58Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I'm gonna say, just cuz this is like documented, I'm gonna say, if you don't run 33 miles on your birthday, you're pussy.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:01:08Cameron Hanes?

  But it's all love.

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  It's all love.

• 1:01:11Cameron Hanes?

  That's not like hate at all.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Here's the other thing. Let's say you plan to do twenty six for your birthday and you take a wrong turn and you end up with.

• 1:01:20Cameron Hanes?

  See, that's what he says. He says it's a marathon with the wrong turn.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:01:25Cameron Hanes?

  And he's the gatekeeper.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  From what I, from what you guys told me, thirty one.

• 1:01:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  It's a beginning of a.

• 1:01:32Cameron Hanes?

  Well, not for him.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  For him.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  For some people.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  How many of those have you done?

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Uh, three.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can, you can talk, Sherry, if you have done three.

• 1:01:39Cameron Hanes?

  You did three?

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Well, I did two sanctioned ones.

• 1:01:42Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, right.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Thirty two when I tried to do fifty.

• 1:01:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, see, so he said on this, I don't know if it was on here, but anyway, he said he made it a public declarat, I can't say it, declaration, yeah, that he was gonna run fifty miles on the track.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  On the track?

• 1:02:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  So like lapping like nonstop?

• 1:02:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  That's stupid.

• 1:02:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but you know how, did he do it? No. So you can say whatever, like, I'm gonna run two thousand miles tomorrow.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Cameron Hanes?

  You can say whatever you want.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:02:14Cameron Hanes?

  If you don't follow through, you're a pussy. That's why I say if you say, if you say you gotta do it, you have to do it, or.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what, that's what, when I tell them, I was like, yo, I think I wanna run this much. And I was expecting them to be like, not expecting that, but I thought it was like, ah, we're busy or whatever. They all went like, oh, yeah, we do with you. And I went like.

• 1:02:36Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, you run with the king of Moab?

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I know. I'm doing with Max. Well, he told me he would do it. And now I'm putting him on the spot too. That's why I said my friends, because I don't wanna, I don't wanna put pressure on them.

• 1:02:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I wanna see Travis do it also, cuz you, you, that's another running buddy, and I don't think he's done an ultra, I don't know if he's done a marathon yet.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I think he have do.

• 1:02:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no, he did.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Did he?

• 1:02:58Cameron Hanes?

  A full one? I don't know.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  As what I know, he does thirteen very often.

• 1:03:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, quite a bit. Yeah, he's, he's, he's.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  He knows he can do it. I, I just don't know when he's willing to do it, but.

• 1:03:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  He runs.

• 1:03:10Cameron Hanes?

  He's also a rock star, so.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  He runs fast.

• 1:03:13Cameron Hanes?

  He's got, he doesn't have all the time in the world, probably.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, he's, he don't, the fact that he runs this much is actually admirable, because I'm sure he got a lot of shit to do. He makes music with people. Like he does a lot of shit.

• 1:03:26Cameron Hanes?

  He's an actual superstar.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  He doesn't do drums and shit like.

• 1:03:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Like he have like collaboration with a lot of artists.

• 1:03:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  That shit can't be easy.

• 1:03:36Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  I'm guessing there's a lot of paperwork and shit to do in the music world, but.

• 1:03:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  He run fast.

• 1:03:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Like the last time we ran. It was, I told you the story, I broke my rib before a fight, so I pulled out.

• 1:03:49Cameron Hanes?

  Well, who's, who's that fight so speaking?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  I was fighting Bautista.

• 1:03:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  So he broke my rib four weeks before the fight.

• 1:03:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  So I took um nine weeks.

• 1:04:00Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Off because I couldn't do shit.

• 1:04:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  And then on week number eight, when I was clear to start running.

• 1:04:07Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Travis is like, yo, you wanna run thirteen? I'm like, yeah, wrong with you thirteen, like. I'm guessing we're gonna do a.

• 1:04:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Two pace one.

• 1:04:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  I didn't know it was official.

• 1:04:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Thirteen.

• 1:04:20Cameron Hanes?

  He invited you to a race.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, like with medals and shit. And then the day before, uh, one of his people sent me like, oh, we got your bin. And I went, oh.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  This is like a real one.

• 1:04:33Cameron Hanes?

  And your bib with the number and like, hey, pin this on, we're ready to go.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  And I was like, I looked back, I was like, I don't drink. I don't party, so I should be in, because I was in crazy good shape for the fight.

• 1:04:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  So I'm like, seven weeks of just walking around.

• 1:04:51Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  I could be healthy. Man, on mile six, my body was fucked up. And I was like, I can quit to Travis, like, he's gonna think I'm a bitch. So I was like, I didn't told him till the end, but I was like, my, I have never felt like that, like. My legs were falling apart, my groin was hurting, my knees were hurting, my Achilles, everything was just like telling me, give up, give up, give up. And but the thing I was, the reason I was giving up, he was, he was pushing. Like a, like, like a high sevens.

• 1:05:26Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  And I was like, you know, I'm, I can just go behind and let, let the crew go because. Again, I'm a bitch. So I'm just biting the muppets and trying so hard. Thank God eventually we finish. And when I looked to my, to my watch, it was like one of my fastest ever.

• 1:05:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  P R's on thirteen and I was like. He's running good. So I'm sure he's like, I mean, he's, he's for sure ready for a marathon. I just don't know where he's gonna do it, but he's in shape now.

• 1:05:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's awesome. Well, that's cool that you push that hard too. So you proved something to yourself that, you know, I mean, you're hurting and you're pushing.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  I was like my legs, like my, my lower body really was like, yo, please stop. You haven't run in eight weeks, like just stop. And I was like, I can't. There was so much people around. What was my excuse? I'm not in shape. I'm like, bitch, your job is to be in shape.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  But I was. Pushing and hurting, that's my, my kind of thing now.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  But from behind, right? With love.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's all.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  It's all love.

• 1:06:36Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, man. Yeah. That's great.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, pushing and grinding.

• 1:06:44Cameron Hanes?

  And hurting.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  It hurts so good.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  When you're gonna tell your family?

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  My family doesn't listen to this.

• 1:06:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. What else you got?

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Um, Chito and I's fight. I'm thinking we do a celebrity boxing match.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  But I hate that. The new.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  He's the idea guy, so.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  The new fighting thing. I mean, it's cool, but it's like, at least, I don't know, it's, I mean, Connor was a creator of this.

• 1:07:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Since Connor fought Floyd, all these YouTubers just are happening.

• 1:07:25Cameron Hanes?

  They just see the money in boxing, I think. I don't know. Why is there so much money in boxing?

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  I mean, it's, it's not so, there's only 10 guys making that money.

• 1:07:35Cameron Hanes?

  And then also, some of them never get paid. Like, I don't think Diaz ever got paid, did he? For his boxing?

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  No way he didn't get.

• 1:07:43Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I thought I, I thought I read, I know some people haven't got paid. And did Logan Paul ever get paid from Floyd?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  He keeps saying no, but they took so much out to each other that it's hard to know.

• 1:07:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. I even saw that Jake's fight with Davis got canceled. I just saw tonight.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm glad. I mean, that's really like a freak show. I'm okay. I'm I don't care if if Jake fight. Former UFC fighters on quote-unquote older guys, doesn't matter like.

• 1:08:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  If you think about it, go and look the record of every. Superstar in boxing or a real champion in boxing, they all start with a bad record. Like when they're when when they're like a. A future champ or someone that have a lot of potential, they fight a bunch of like low level boxers. They still can lose to a guy like that because those are real boxers just. With not the right direction.

• 1:08:41Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  And at some point, they just become the guys that fight. The other guys that could be something.

• 1:08:47Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  So. What Jake did at the beginning, fighting. UFC guys, that's perfect. That's what every boxer do, just because he's extremely famous and in the public eye. He gets criticized, oh, you should fight a real boxer. If you're two and O. What make you think he's gonna go and fight Canelo?

• 1:09:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  It's it's just.

• 1:09:09Cameron Hanes?

  It doesn't make sense.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Doesn't make sense, even if the money is crazy.

• 1:09:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  For a guy like Canelo, it's like, why I'm gonna.

• 1:09:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Open the doors for you to make you real.

• 1:09:18Cameron Hanes?

  Cause Canelo's gonna make that money anyway.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Exactly. So now.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Because Jake has been winning, now he's at a spot that he can fight a boxer.

• 1:09:30Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Like, like, I feel like now probably is the perfect time to fight something like Fury instead of fighting him earlier.

• 1:09:37Cameron Hanes?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Fury. Oh, yeah, he's not. He's not his brother Tyson, but he's still.

• 1:09:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's good.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  A very good boxer.

• 1:09:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  So. I don't know why they get, I mean, Logan went full WWE, which God bless him because he's making millions.

• 1:09:53Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, he's kicking ass.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  You don't have to be a fighter, but Jake, I don't hate him for what he's doing. He's actually doing a good job. He's fighting.

• 1:10:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. So you like.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  He's just fighting the. Thirty fifty pounds.

• 1:10:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Lighter guy, which is, it's kind of like a, it's freak, it's like weird.

• 1:10:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I understand that. Yeah, I, I get what you're saying. I mean, I don't, whatever, but I think, so you did say something like I said, why is there so much money in boxing? You said there's only a handful of guys making that much, but that's the same with UFC, cause, cause you could look at UFC and say, yeah, like, there's some stars that make huge million dollar payday. Like John Jones is gonna make, if he comes back and fights Pereira.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  That's millions, but the guys on our prelims are making triple that the prelim guys on a.

• 1:10:38Cameron Hanes?

  On the boxing.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Because when you see a, a big boxing car, it's the main and the come in.

• 1:10:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Below that.

• 1:10:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  It's on her of.

• 1:10:46Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  You'll never heard of them again.

• 1:10:48Cameron Hanes?

  Right, and UFC has like names, some of those cards from, from top to bottom.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  They make more money.

• 1:10:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Can we make more money? Of course, we can always make more money. I, did I want few more zeros? Thousand percent I take them.

• 1:11:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  But pays way better than boxing, like way better than boxing.

• 1:11:06Cameron Hanes?

  Since this is shit talkers and it's all love, do you think that it, could it ever come up like, um,

• 1:11:17Cameron Hanes?

  do you think it'd ever come up like this guy, so if you get your show and your win money and like your big, it's big numbers? And the guy you're fighting maybe doesn't have as big as numbers, if it's a close fight, would there ever be pressure on a judge to be like awarded to the guy making less to save money?

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  I mean, it's not impossible to happen. I mean, it's, there's some crazy calls out there.

• 1:11:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know, that's, that's why I was like, how, where do these calls come from? It just seems.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel, sure, keep those fucking dinosaurs that suck dick at judging, that's fine, keep them, I don't care.

• 1:11:53Cameron Hanes?

  It's all love.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  It's all love.

• 1:11:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  I mean, not really, but at least, at least on the biggest screen.

• 1:12:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Just put ten nine.

• 1:12:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Or ten eight.

• 1:12:05Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Just let me know who won, because even if that's run, I'm gonna.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Try to win.

• 1:12:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, bring it.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  The problem what everybody have told me is like, yeah, but if you won two rounds, the UFC is worried about the last round, you just dance and play dumb. I'm like, sure, but if that other guy goes, it's, I already lost this fight. I'm gonna go crazy.

• 1:12:32Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  You might have one of the craziest performances or chaos out there, but I think my point, it's stronger than the guy winning two rounds just dancing. Because if the other guy is broken, he's gonna, he's gonna fight without willing to win anyways.

• 1:12:54Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I don't think there's a negative to it. I think that's all positive because I can think of a fight that just happened. Roundtree and uh.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Pereira, uh, no Pereira, uh, Yuri.

• 1:13:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so everybody knew Roundtree was up 2-0.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  It was simple.

• 1:13:11Cameron Hanes?

  So I don't care if it was up there or not. He knew he's up 2-0, uh, uh, God, Yuri knew he was down, so he's like, I gotta, I gotta finish him. And he did. All, all Roundtree had to do is survive.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Cameron Hanes?

  And he couldn't. So it didn't, it doesn't matter.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:13:28Cameron Hanes?

  It doesn't matter if you, if, but if it's up there, at least you know.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but there's also fights that are a little close, but most people think, even the fighter, think who's winning.

• 1:13:42Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  And those are the ones that you need, oh, we won one. I thought I, it felt like 2-0.

• 1:13:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  So that third round, you will see two people fighting. It's sort of like, more like, I'm gonna get in control, I wanna put pressure, but I'm also not gonna play stupid.

• 1:13:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  But if you used to go, oh, we won one, I'm gonna kill you now.

• 1:14:02Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm, yeah, I don't.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Open scoring should be, I mean, that's not even asking for too much.

• 1:14:07Cameron Hanes?

  No, no.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  I feel the, if you ask me, like, few points to fix the UFC for better, I say.

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  You put, just put the, just put the scoring. So the coaches are like, dude, you're losing. I don't care. Why you think you're losing? You go and close mother. That's number one. Number two. An eye poke. It's not the gloves fall. They make a comparison like UFC glove, pride glove. That's bullshit.

• 1:14:36Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Poking someone in the eye is a bitch move. Because you, your reflex, you get scared and you do this.

• 1:14:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  You poke someone in the eye is your fault. It's intentional, unintentional, we don't know. I will say something that I have heard for a lot of fighters that is cheating. They always say, dude, you have one warning, might as well take it.

• 1:14:57Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  That's bullshit. You should be.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Uh, fire and go.

• 1:15:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  You fight with your hands closed.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  I get it. Reflex. Even, I was watching one of my fights. There was one fight that I went like that.

• 1:15:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  And you can see how I'm correcting myself. I went like this and I went, don't do that.

• 1:15:19Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  That's self-awareness. I feel like you poke. Big poke, small poke. Automatic.

• 1:15:26Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  That's one point. Off. If that rule goes like that. You throw a low kick. You hit my dick by accident. One point.

• 1:15:35Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  No warning, no nothing. Of, of course, if it's a low kick that hit the leg and looks like it's a groin. They can comeers. They can rewind that.

• 1:15:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Simple as that.

• 1:15:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  But every foul is one point. You grab the fence. I don't care if it was one second or two seconds. One point. I guarantee you a lot of fighters. Will become really aware of that.

• 1:15:58Cameron Hanes?

  Clean it up.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  One point changes the whole fight.

• 1:16:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  The whole entire fight. And then you go. This is the boring part of it. If I, if I'm grinding you in the ground. But I'm not killing you.

• 1:16:12Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Doesn't matter. Boring fight. But the referee. You can stand me up.

• 1:16:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  If I'm just holding you and I'm not doing nothing.

• 1:16:22Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  It's the job of the other guy.

• 1:16:24Cameron Hanes?

  Get up. Get up then.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  If I get boring, pay the guy less for being a border fighter.

• 1:16:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Make him exciting, but don't take him, don't take him out of his position.

• 1:16:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  He took the guy down. Sometimes you see guys go like referee. I'm like bitch, shut the get up. And I'm not a wrestler.

• 1:16:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  I, I, I rather strike.

• 1:16:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  This rule goes against me.

• 1:16:45Cameron Hanes?

  Right, right.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  But it doesn't make sense.

• 1:16:48Cameron Hanes?

  No, I like all those, those. Yeah, it's like, what? Nobody ever fights with their hands open.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  No, it's a game move. They go like, oh.

• 1:16:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  It's like, I'm sorry for what I say, but. It's all love. It's all love.

• 1:17:01Cameron Hanes?

  I don't fight UFC, so I don't know, but that does make sense like.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  You're here, right?

• 1:17:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  Or sometimes I get it. I like to like move, feel, but I'm here.

• 1:17:11Cameron Hanes?

  What is that for? Like, what, what do you think? Why do you have your hands like that?

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Like, uh, uh, because when someone punch, I like to like, I part it, I part it.

• 1:17:18Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  You know, you don't, you don't block like this. I mean, you can't.

• 1:17:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Here, there's no eye poke.

• 1:17:24Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  It's all the way out. Then you hurt someone else.

• 1:17:27Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  So if you go, hey, guys, from now on, every foul.

• 1:17:32Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Eye poke, uh, groin kick.

• 1:17:36Cameron Hanes?

  Groin kick, yeah.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  Grabbing fans.

• 1:17:38Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  I can't think of another foul.

• 1:17:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Those three is one point deduction.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  And you will see a positive change.

• 1:17:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  In the UFC.

• 1:17:49Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's, yeah, those are all great suggestions.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  And then the open score will be beautiful.

• 1:17:54Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  What's the problem with just knowing who won the round?

• 1:17:57Cameron Hanes?

  I know, I know.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  Just a ten nine number.

• 1:18:00Cameron Hanes?

  And I think it would, I don't know, I don't know if it affected judges. Maybe they'd be,

• 1:18:07Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know, they're criticized anyway, so maybe that wouldn't make any difference on how they, because I think people would see the score and if they disagreed, I wonder if they'd be booing.

• 1:18:18Cameron Hanes?

  Like if the judges got that wrong.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:18:20Cameron Hanes?

  You know, maybe.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  And that would change the energy because if they're saying like 10A or 109 and it's a wrong one.

• 1:18:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  They go like boo.

• 1:18:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  So now the fighter that he got um got a bad uh score.

• 1:18:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, screwed over.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  And he actually won.

• 1:18:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  He's gonna get pumped out and they're gonna have the pressure of the club and they have you.

• 1:18:41Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's good. I think there needs to be pressure on those.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:18:46Cameron Hanes?

  It's an important job. It takes hundred thousands of dollars away from you that last decision.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  I I thought it won.

• 1:18:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  And I have heard from so many people, but I mean, it's kind of like hmm makes no sense for me to keep going on it just because it's a bad look, but.

• 1:19:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  It takes takes my ranking position, takes my chance to move up and fight someone ahead of me. I take a lot of money.

• 1:19:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  From my pay, from from the sponsors.

• 1:19:18Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  They're like, hey dude, we can have you if you lose fights because that's how this world works.

• 1:19:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  And the future sponsors were thinking about signing me. They were like, ah, you lost.

• 1:19:27Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  So that hurts you on a long way. My my team gets also half pay because I get half pay.

• 1:19:35Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:19:36Cameron Hanes?

  That's a big deal.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  It's a big deal. And then it's like, people can't even think that you won. Even a lot of people around think you won. You still gotta treat us lost.

• 1:19:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  You still gotta go back to the gym with a loss.

• 1:19:50Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  So it's like, there's a lot of things that going on that can damage your career. And then you gotta really work hard on like, get over that hurdle.

• 1:20:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  But if if you see open score and you go, okay, I gotta dig deep and I gotta do everything in my power to hurt you.

• 1:20:09Cameron Hanes?

  At least there's no surprise like, cause now you're standing there at the end, you're getting the total. You have no idea. And then it's just like, at least you would know, like, well, I I knew what it was. You know, you're not.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  If you're looking the scores and you're still getting your ass kicked, you're fighting a better fighter. You're fighting a guy that is super prepared and it's just not your night. It's simple as that.

• 1:20:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  But if you go like one one, you're like, no way. I'm winning this fight. You go on a terror.

• 1:20:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Fighting for your.

• 1:20:39Cameron Hanes?

  It's on.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  It's.

• 1:20:41Cameron Hanes?

  You know it's at stake.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  It will make, it will make better fights.

• 1:20:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  And it's how hard is just to do that? One point for each foul, open scoring. I'm not asking for more money. I'm not asking to promote me more. I'm not talking share on the company. Just this will make it better.

• 1:21:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Let's not get crazy with more rules. That's, that should be like a very standard beginning that will, it will make it so much better.

• 1:21:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I, I agree. And remember, remember the tip I gave you today?

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Fake the kick punch. See, I don't, I'm a good listener, man.

• 1:21:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's just like you, like, yeah, they're like, oh, he's gonna kick me. Oh, that's like I do.

• 1:21:29Cameron Hanes?

  So in the celebrity boxing arena, who would you like for a big payday? Who would you wanna fight?

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  That's a good question.

• 1:21:45Cameron Hanes?

  Who would be the biggest payday for Marlon, Chito?

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  I mean, biggest payday, who is, I mean, who's a big actor out there?

• 1:21:54Cameron Hanes?

  Could be anybody.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I, I wouldn't have to ping someone, pick someone I don't like.

• 1:22:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, who don't you like? Let's stick, let's go with that, like.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think, I don't think I hate any actor.

• 1:22:08Cameron Hanes?

  You don't?

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  I know. I love Adam Sandler, I love Denzel Washington.

• 1:22:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Who else I love?

• 1:22:16Cameron Hanes?

  You like the movie Training Day? That's one of my favorites.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  That's a sick ass movie. That's a sick ass movie. I love the movie.

• 1:22:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, me too. Every time I saw it, I'll watch it.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  It's a great movie.

• 1:22:28Cameron Hanes?

  I was watching, uh, well, John Jones highlights the other night. So here's my toxic trait. John Jones highlights.

• 1:22:36Cameron Hanes?

  Who is the New York badass Phil Barone highlight or like documentary and then I watched three hundred.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Three hundred is a sick movie.

• 1:22:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so I mean.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  I will fight the the bad guy in that movie, the bald dude that looks like.

• 1:22:50Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, King Leonidas?

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Hmm, is he the bad one?

• 1:22:53Cameron Hanes?

  He's a guy who, uh, Gerard Butler tried to, he like threw the spear at and cut it like he's like.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:00Cameron Hanes?

  He said, even a god king can bleed.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:03Cameron Hanes?

  By by the time we're done, I will prove even a god king can bleed.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  That's a sick line.

• 1:23:08Cameron Hanes?

  That's a good line right there.

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  That's a good movie. Yeah, I will kick his ass. I don't know him, but in the movie.

• 1:23:13Cameron Hanes?

  He looked big. He looked big as shit in the movie.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but, uh, anyway, I, yeah, I like the, I like the toxic movies. What else do you have? You can think on their celebrity fight if you want.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, who, I mean, or give me options.

• 1:23:33Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I'm gonna think about it. You, you, uh, you, what else do you got? Are we on down through the list?

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  That's it. That's through the list.

• 1:23:40Cameron Hanes?

  You don't have a Mary kill?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 1:23:42Cameron Hanes?

  For Chito?

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  One, Mary, one kill one.

• 1:23:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so it's, you know, fighting, hunting.

• 1:23:50Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  New logo, babe.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Oh, fighting, hunting, surfing. Mary kill.

• 1:24:00Cameron Hanes?

  Do you surf?

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  See that?

• 1:24:03Speaker 01

  I'm pretty decent.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  That's a deep cut.

• 1:24:05Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't know you surfed that much.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I surf.

• 1:24:08Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I can surf. I'm not, I'm not like a pro level, but I can surf.

• 1:24:13Cameron Hanes?

  What about, how about fighting, uh, what was that? Oh, fighting, hunting cars?

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  I love cars too. I really love cars.

• 1:24:23Cameron Hanes?

  You're helping me get the sweet car for the giveaway.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna really help you to get one. A good one and a good deal. That will be my job.

• 1:24:32Cameron Hanes?

  How about, before we answer this, what about, would you fight Logan Paul in MMA?

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  That guy is big.

• 1:24:40Cameron Hanes?

  He's big.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  But I mean, if I'm making the money that they make.

• 1:24:46Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  I fucking fight any man like.

• 1:24:50Cameron Hanes?

  What would you do? Cause he's kind of been doing the fake wrestling, but he's athletic.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  I mean, that guy in real life, like real talk, not even talking shit. That would be a hard guy to kill. Like that guy is big. He's probably in a steroid.

• 1:25:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  It's athletic. He, my best bet would probably the ground. Like if I try punches with him, even if he's not very good and he swings weird. He still went a few rounds. I mean, what 10 rounds with Floyd?

• 1:25:22Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah. He probably weighs like two forty.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  Huge, but Floyd is the best in the world. Like, and I'm sure Floyd try. So the best bet would probably clinch him and just make him try to throw me on my head and hopefully eventually get tired. But for that money, I do like right now, like, like outside. With all the respect, right?

• 1:25:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  It's all love.

• 1:25:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, let's go. Logan, let's go.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:51Cameron Hanes?

  There's your call out. Um, so yeah, marry, kill, cars, hunting, fighting.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  All of the buff. I love cars. Cars are great.

• 1:26:01Cameron Hanes?

  So is that marry?

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta marry, kill.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Okay, so.

• 1:26:05Cameron Hanes?

  So what? Yeah, either, yeah, you're gonna marry the rest of your life, one's just for fun, one you're never gonna do again.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  So marry or kill?

• 1:26:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  Okay, give me the names.

• 1:26:16Cameron Hanes?

  No. That was it.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  You gotta marry, kill.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:26:20Cameron Hanes?

  So you gotta choose between hunting?

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  I thought you were giving humans. Okay, okay.

• 1:26:25Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, we could do that too.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 1:26:27Cameron Hanes?

  Who is that one? Cars? Dakota Johnson.

• 1:26:32Cameron Hanes?

  Remember her?

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, she say men and flip flop is bad. Kill her.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  I was looking, I was looking Twitter and I saw a post, it could be fake, but that's disrespectful. I work in Hawaii, I'm a, come on, man.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's cars, hunting?

• 1:26:52Cameron Hanes?

  And fighting.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  I'm fighting.

• 1:26:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  I will marry fighting because that's the love of my life.

• 1:26:59Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  Surfing, hunting.

• 1:27:02Cameron Hanes?

  No, cars and hunting.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Cars and hunting, oh, cars and hunting, okay.

• 1:27:07Cameron Hanes?

  You gotta give one up and you gotta, one's for fun.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  Okay, since I am a new hunter and I already enjoy cars, I will marry hunting and I get rid of cars.

• 1:27:21Cameron Hanes?

  Was it marry or?

• 1:27:25Cameron Hanes?

  You're marrying, fighting, hunting, killing cars.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  Yes, I already had fun with cars, so.

• 1:27:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we're done with that, that's a fling, we're done.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  I mean, that thing really makes you happy, it's just a tool.

• 1:27:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Which doesn't matter.

• 1:27:43Cameron Hanes?

  Right, I agree, well, I think.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  By the hunting, I can hunt the rest of my life.

• 1:27:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and Dakota Johnson, watch your mouth.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't say nothing bad about flip flops, again.

• 1:27:54Cameron Hanes?

  Or Gucci flip flops.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  I mean, maybe those, yeah, cheap flip flops are the goal.

• 1:28:02Cameron Hanes?

  Cheap are the goal?

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, they go.

• 1:28:04Cameron Hanes?

  That's what you want?

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I would pay six hundred for a flip flop, that's crazy.

• 1:28:10Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  The cheaper, the better, on flip flops.

• 1:28:14Cameron Hanes?

  Gotcha, okay, and what about guns? You got a lot of Sig, right?

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  I have a lot of Sig's, I have a rifle Sig, I have a

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  three nine mil.

• 1:28:30Cameron Hanes?

  You got a shotgun, because that guy that come to come and steal your car, you chased him with a shotgun?

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  I do have a great shotgun, like the cheapest one, just simple.

• 1:28:41Cameron Hanes?

  Did you ever see Boys in the Hood?

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:44Cameron Hanes?

  Remember that shotgun?

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  That's why I also have a fuck body.

• 1:28:49Cameron Hanes?

  What car was that?

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  I have the car.

• 1:28:51Cameron Hanes?

  That's a car?

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  No, that was an Impala when she was there.

• 1:28:55Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, yeah, cuz it was a convertible.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have the same one with a hardtop.

• 1:29:00Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I gotcha. Alright.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  That car drives heavy.

• 1:29:05Cameron Hanes?

  Remember, can you drive stick? I can't if you show me.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Mine's a stick too.

• 1:29:12Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Cameron Hanes?

  Alright, well, I think this is a good shit talkers, a little bonus addition.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Well, let's do the last one, kill, one, marry, one for our boy here.

• 1:29:23Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna give you.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  I'm gonna give you.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  Elon Musk? Donald Trump? And the FBI guy.

• 1:29:39Cameron Hanes?

  Dan Bongino? Or who?

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  The dark guy.

• 1:29:43Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Cash Patel.

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Patel, Patel. Come on, and then we finish with that.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Okay, marry, kill, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and Cash Patel.

• 1:29:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I'm curious about if you've actually been asked this before.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  This is a classic, classic topic.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Alright, well, in my opinion, which doesn't matter.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Fuck had a better one.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Cash Patel has been heavily bought off by a certain group of people. So, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kill.

• 1:30:12Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God. Now we're all dead.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  You're gonna be investigated after this.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  I didn't say who those people were.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  You're gonna be followed home, dude.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  So I'm killing him. And, uh.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  Or you.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  Or get him. Since your preferences can change.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  I'm gonna.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  I'm gonna. Donald.

• 1:30:40Cameron Hanes?

  My God.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  That white hairy ass.

• 1:30:45Cameron Hanes?

  It's orange.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  It's orange and pink.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, his ass also has a toupee.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Bro, you're gonna be a miserable wife with Elon. He's never home. He don't have time for you.

• 1:30:58Cameron Hanes?

  He's an alien, so, yeah.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, bro, that reptilian dick is gonna hurt you.

• 1:31:08Cameron Hanes?

  That's a good one, good one. Alright, I guess that's it.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  I'm sad now.

• 1:31:19Cameron Hanes?

  Thanks for tuning into Shit Talkers Weekly Special Guest Appearance, Chito Vera. Thank you.

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  Thank you all.

• 1:31:23Cameron Hanes?

  The big buck hunter. Alright guys.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  I'm a hunter now.

• 1:31:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Someone to blame, they said that hate, it fuels my pace. I am Roy Tough, I am the change, the fuel, and dirt. Feeling like Cam Hanks.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  Oh, give me the mods, nobody wants, I'll give you my heart, I'll carry the work. Give me that impossible task, I'll give you that unbreakable courage. Give me that rise up and that hurt, I'll give you that mindset that I earned. Give me that last question on earth, that I just died, that I endured. Give me them odds, nobody wants, I'll give you my heart, I'll carry the work. Give me that impossible task, I'll give you that unbreakable courage. Give me that rise up and that hurt, I'll give you that mindset that I earned. Give me that last question on earth, that I just died, that I endured.