Gracie Abrams

Superstar singer-songwriter Gracie Abrams pulls up a seat at the podcast table this week! Ahead of the release of her new album, we caught up with Gracie over brunch where mum whipped up a dutch baby with smoked salmon. Gracie told us about how she finds comfort in cooking while on tour, the meals she always requests when she's back home, the magic of performing live, and how she thought Taylor Swift messaging her was actually a prank! Plus, Gracie reveals the delicious caramelised leeks she’s obsessed with right now. Thank you for a lovely morning Gracie, Daughter From Hell is out on 17th July. Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/ Follow Table Manners on: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:35Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and we're here in Mum's kitchen today on what is going to be a very hot week in London. I just bought loads of dresses that aren't going to arrive in time for the heatwave. So that was stupid.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Why did you do that?

• 0:50Jessie Ware?

  I don't know. It was like impulse stress.

• 0:55Jessie Ware?

  How was your weekend, Mum?

• 0:56Speaker 02

  I was travelling, darling.

• 0:57Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Have you forgotten?

• 0:59Jessie Ware?

  I actually had.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:01Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  I'm a jet lagged woman.

• 1:02Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Mum.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Not even the, I was, I was going to say jet legged because my seat didn't work on the plane.

• 1:10Jessie Ware?

  That is so annoying.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  So it didn't go up and then when it went up, we managed to jack it up. We couldn't get it back down. So then when the lady put her seat back, the one in front, I couldn't get out of my seat.

• 1:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Because my legs were up like that and I couldn't move.

• 1:27Jessie Ware?

  I went to Harry Styles on Friday, which was really fab at Wembley Stadium.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  What was your best song?

• 1:33Jessie Ware?

  I love when he does treat people with kindness. I also.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  He sang an old one, didn't he?

• 1:39Jessie Ware?

  What do you mean, an old one?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  I don't know. They said he sang.

• 1:42Jessie Ware?

  Also, Sign of the Times is a fantastic song.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Did everyone join in?

• 1:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48Jessie Ware?

  And then on Saturday, Sam and I DJed at our friend's fortieth.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:52Jessie Ware?

  I've got the bug, Mum. I'm going to get some decks.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 1:55Jessie Ware?

  And Sam, that's going to be our quality time going back to back.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  That could be your name, back to back. Oh, Lenny. Oh.

• 2:03Jessie Ware?

  Anyway, today we have the superstar.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08Jessie Ware?

  That is Gracie Abrams on the podcast. She has had such huge success in the last, what, six years with her two records. And then she had like a massive deluxe record. She is huge.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  Is she one of those people that all the women love and men absolutely think she's gorgeous as well?

• 2:29Jessie Ware?

  I think also men really respect the music too. Like Salmon and I had the album on in the car on our drive back. And he was like, God, I can so imagine this all being sung at a festival and everyone like hands in the air. She kind of does euphoria and heartbreak and.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  She's good with words.

• 2:47Jessie Ware?

  She's great with words, but she's like, her melodies are also just insane.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Does she play an instrument?

• 2:52Jessie Ware?

  She plays piano, guitar.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:55Jessie Ware?

  She's really talented.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56Jessie Ware?

  And she has a new record out called Daughter From Hell and it's out in July on the 17th. So she's coming over and we're going to cook for her. Well, I'm not going to cook anything, but what have you made, Lenny?

• 3:07Speaker 02

  I've made a savoury Dutch baby.

• 3:09Jessie Ware?

  Explain to people that don't know what a Dutch baby is.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Baby is basically a very big Yorkshire pudding. A cross tuna Yorkshire pudding and a pancake.

• 3:17Jessie Ware?

  Delish.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  And I'm going to serve it with smoked salmon, crème fraiche infused with lemon and lots of herbs in the Dutch baby and dill on top. And then I've made my mixed berry compote that you weren't very impressed with. You don't like a mixed berry compote? You thought it was a bit, mm, bit meh. Anyway, I'm serving it.

• 3:38Jessie Ware?

  I don't know, it doesn't like make me, you know.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  I'm serving it with my very most favourite thing at the moment, the Marks and Spencer's vanilla cream yogurt. I could eat tubs of it. And then you've, well, you haven't, but you've.

• 3:52Jessie Ware?

  By proxy. Yeah, by proxy, I was on cookies because mum did get in from LA yesterday. So. By proxy, my sweet Rosie has done the New York Times banana.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Cookies.

• 4:07Jessie Ware?

  Banana oat cookies.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Banana everything cookies or something.

• 4:11Jessie Ware?

  But the reason that we're doing this, because mum told me to tell Rosie to do them. Because apparently they are Gracie Abrams' favourite. She used to make them all the time, which I now I'm thinking that's a really bad idea to give somebody a cookie that they very, they know the recipe very, very well.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Appreciate it, darling.

• 4:28Jessie Ware?

  Maybe, but otherwise she'd be like, God, this is not as good as mine. Anyway, so Rosie's just driven them over. Can I just say, I didn't do it, I had a blood test this morning, I had to get there at seven o'clock. I'm very sorry, I will do the next part.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Jessie, you're okay, you're not dying.

• 4:44Jessie Ware?

  No, I'm not dying.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  Blood test at seven.

• 4:47Jessie Ware?

  I had to do a blood test in a certain time in my cycle, you know, very important stuff.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  I don't want to know that.

• 4:51Jessie Ware?

  You know, a woman. So, yeah, we've got quite a delicious brunchy breakfast to give Gracie Abrams this morning. Yeah, it is. Can't wait to chat her.

• 5:12Jessie Ware?

  Gracie Abrams, as I live and breathe. Looking dewy and gorgeous and fabulous. And the only person in London that's in a long sleeve today.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  It's a mistake, except it feels so nice and cool in here.

• 5:27Jessie Ware?

  How are you finding it here?

• 5:28Speaker 03

  I love it, I love it. I feel like there was always sort of something about LA that I even having grown up there struggled to sort of.

• 5:37Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 5:38Speaker 03

  Felt like social integration was just tougher for me and here I feel right at home. So it's, it's lucky. Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  What, what makes you feel at home here?

• 5:49Speaker 03

  The pubs.

• 5:50Jessie Ware?

  You're a pub girl.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Yes, I think something about the like having these kind of um the centers where everyone in the community like pets and children and you know full families.

• 6:02Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I guess LA doesn't have that.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  No, it's less, it's.

• 6:05Jessie Ware?

  They have dog parks.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, that I'm a fan of too, but I don't have my dog over here right now.

• 6:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh, you have a dog.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he lives in LA with my family.

• 6:14Jessie Ware?

  So, but yes, you're LA born and bred.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:17Jessie Ware?

  Who was around the dinner table when you were growing up and what's a memorable dish from your childhood?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Okay, um dinner, we would do roast chicken often, like kind of just easy one pan chicken, which is still my favorite food.

• 6:30Jessie Ware?

  Like a tray bake?

• 6:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like carrots and onions and thyme and like all that.

• 6:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Which is my favorite food still, I would say. And it was my brothers and my, both my parents and and um I had a set of grandparents who lived in LA as well. So they would pop over when they could and but otherwise it was just immediate family. And and then on Fridays we had um which is kind of like my favorite part of growing up. We would have these, these like all families that happened to be from the East Coast but had found their way to LA for some reason. We were all sort of raised like siblings. Every Friday we would get together and have pizza in the park and it became this like.

• 7:11Jessie Ware?

  Pizza in the park.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that was like our weekly tradition and that's who we have Thanksgiving with. That's like, you know, was called Friday group. And it still is like a strong second family, but they feel like just, you know.

• 7:23Jessie Ware?

  What's your topping on your pizza? Pizza.

• 7:26Speaker 03

  I like a sausage and onion, so to be honest, that would, yeah, you're like.

• 7:31Jessie Ware?

  What Italian sausage?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a spicy kind of delicious.

• 7:36Jessie Ware?

  I like it with fennel.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 7:38Jessie Ware?

  The spicy sausage and fennel. Where are you getting your pizza from in LA? Has it always been the same place for pizza?

• 7:43Speaker 03

  No, it just, no, but just different in that it depends who was ordering and whose house we were at, because everyone lived in different zones.

• 7:51Jessie Ware?

  But like New York is better pizza, right?

• 7:53Speaker 03

  I would say so. I would say so. I get, I love Joe's Pizza, which is, I know is like the club, but Prince Street is insane. But that's kind of like quite bougie pizza, isn't it?

• 8:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  Sort of.

• 8:04Jessie Ware?

  And then are you eating pizza when you're in London? If so, what pizza are you eating?

• 8:08Speaker 03

  Oy Vida.

• 8:09Jessie Ware?

  Oh, where's that?

• 8:11Speaker 03

  I've only ever ordered on delivery from Oy Vida, but they ha- I love it because it comes with like a little side of burrata.

• 8:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  So it feels kind of like this fancy.

• 8:20Jessie Ware?

  Ask Lenny, ask Lenny what she thinks of burrata.

• 8:22Speaker 03

  Well, you hate it.

• 8:23Jessie Ware?

  Hate it.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Why?

• 8:25Jessie Ware?

  It's the texture.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:26Jessie Ware?

  It's like oozy and.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not very.

• 8:29Jessie Ware?

  No. I like that. Do you like that? Yeah, I like oozy. I like, I like dips to go with my pizza bones.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  It's kind of, I, it doesn't really, I think unless you're doing it up, it doesn't taste like much. So I get there's not really some great appeal. I understand. And it's not a salad and people kind of try to make it a salad.

• 8:46Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's not, it's not a salad.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  It's not a salad.

• 8:49Jessie Ware?

  Um, so mum, Gracie, I've known Gracie's.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  I.

• 8:53Jessie Ware?

  When did, I, I remember the first time I met you.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  You remember?

• 8:56Jessie Ware?

  I remember.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 8:58Jessie Ware?

  I couldn't forget you because you were kind of.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Was I shaking so hard to be in the same room as you probably?

• 9:04Jessie Ware?

  Oh, please. Oh, please. You definitely were a teenager.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 9:09Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna say sixteen, maybe seventeen.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:12Jessie Ware?

  Wow. Um, it was at Benny Blanco's place in West Hollywood.

• 9:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:16Jessie Ware?

  That's no longer. And it was a party that he was hosting. Um, and it was kind of like a pool party. And I remember you being there and being as beautiful as you, like, gorgeous and had this star quality. I hadn't heard any, I hadn't heard any of your music. I don't, I don't even know if you were making music yet, but you were dating a mutual friend.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:37Jessie Ware?

  And, um, but I don't know, were you making music at that point?

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we were together actually. And that was, that relationship was also my first collaborative. Can I help at all?

• 9:48Jessie Ware?

  No, not at all.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Just please.

• 9:51Jessie Ware?

  I will tell you.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, okay, okay. Um, we, that wasn't the first time I ever wrote with anyone else ever, like, you know, there was ever production involved. But your music was so formative to that relationship.

• 10:06Jessie Ware?

  That's so sweet.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  It is. You know, when you, but you know, when like there's a song that feels so core to a relationship, especially like your first love.

• 10:13Jessie Ware?

  Oh, God.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  It was so central to that time and it was, it's just. Uh, it's so funny how things happen. Happen and now I get to sit at your table.

• 10:23Jessie Ware?

  And then the last time I saw you was at BAFTA.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:26Jessie Ware?

  And you were on the, on the row on your own, cause your partner's film had just won another award.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:33Jessie Ware?

  As they were all doing a photo and you were there and you were clapping and it was so sweet.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  Your, your performance was insane. I don't know how you deal with that, especially for that particular slot. Is like such an honor to.

• 10:46Jessie Ware?

  But I mean, you know about performing, you've performed like, I don't know whether you ever get. Have you have, do you have coping strategies with how you like, cause it's always, how can you get rid of the dry throat? Like the dry throat.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  I don't know. And I also am weirdly, um, cause we've had a break from tour since September. And this is the longest break that we've had. And this past week, we just did BBC Live Lounge and it was the first. Performance that we've done in a, in a minute.

• 11:15Jessie Ware?

  How did it feel?

• 11:16Speaker 03

  I was shocked at how, uh, scared I got. It was like this weird. I think cause when you're used, your nervous system adjusts to whatever the normal is. And so for. Tour, it stopped being a thing that I got nervous for, like shows weren't freaking me out. I think cause you're with your people all the time. It just feels like. Another day, but I was really anxious. I've kind of been like, kind of. Anxiety's been shooting back up recently.

• 11:45Jessie Ware?

  I think that's completely understandable. You have this record, which by the way, I think is beautiful.

• 11:52Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 11:53Jessie Ware?

  Daughter from hell.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 11:54Jessie Ware?

  It's really, I mean, you are an accomplished songwriter, of course, but it's kind of meditative, it's intimate. It has like these moments that like you have, uh, look at my, is it look at my life, look at my life. You are one of the greatest melody makers.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Oh, God, no, that's crazy for you to say.

• 12:12Jessie Ware?

  No, like literally my husband and I, I was, I, we were driving yesterday. It was perfect driving music. We were listening, the songs out and. You know your melodies by the second chorus, you're singing it along, which is quite, it's remarkable, but also the storytelling in it is beautiful.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Where does the title come from?

• 12:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  It was the last song that I wrote for the album and it's a song for my mom. And it's, it's like an apology, sort of, and a thank you note as well and sort of this. Because I, I felt, I, growing up, I felt like I was quite difficult. And I know I was difficult and I think as I grow up and just have more perspective generally, but also more love for everyone in my life and more concern as a result for everyone in my life. Um, I think about how heinous it must have been for my parents to.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  You're a challenge.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I now, you know, I think when you're a kid and you have a, whatever the dynamic is with your family, you don't ever imagine that it will be different. And we've, I think, very much earned the closeness that we all have.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  Which is such a gift, but, but, uh, has also made me feel like this weird, try not to grip it too tight, but I want as much time as I can get with them and as much of their, um, wisdom and they've been so patient with me my whole life and, um. Anyway, so that's, the song is for my mom.

• 13:52Jessie Ware?

  Where did you come in the order of siblings?

• 13:55Speaker 03

  And I have an older brother and.

• 13:57Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so I've had this, this theory that middle children are, you know, can be, no, tricky.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, certainly. I think, well, my older brother, Henry, is a year older than I am.

• 14:07Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  And I think maybe because of the like pace at which girls maybe like develop quicker or more. I don't know, I, I was a bit more like socially, I was kind of like ambitious and wanted to be older than I was. And I think. Based on who in the house needed most immediate attention, it sort of like left this gap for me to go try to find it elsewhere and places that were not always, you know, like, smart or safe. And so there was my, my approach was like, kind of sneak around. And I think.

• 14:48Jessie Ware?

  So you were naughty, you were naughty?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  But isn't that about growing up and becoming independent?

• 14:52Speaker 03

  For sure. I definitely don't think I'm, you know, a particularly special case or anything, but I, I do still feel guilty.

• 15:01Jessie Ware?

  Can I also tell you one of my favorite on the record and forgive me if I can't say the name?

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Yes, of course.

• 15:06Jessie Ware?

  The one where you go, um, if only you didn't adore me. That is the, if only.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Oh, good reason.

• 15:11Jessie Ware?

  Good.

• 15:12Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 15:12Jessie Ware?

  That is like a Mazzy star, like.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 15:15Jessie Ware?

  I don't know if that.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  I love that song.

• 15:17Jessie Ware?

  It's heartbreaking.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  Thanks. Thank you. I love that song. Thank you. Do you know Sarah Erins?

• 15:24Jessie Ware?

  I love Sarah Erins. I've written with her. She's brilliant.

• 15:28Speaker 03

  She's amazing. We did I Miss You, I'm Sorry together. She was the first person when I left college. And she was the first person I had a session with. And it was the best thing because it was like, you know, we were a few years apart and it was just, I went over to her house and I remember being so scared having left school, just kind of attempting to see what it would feel like to not be, because I loved being in school. I loved being with so many people my age and coming back to LA just felt so funny and odd.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  When you say school, does that mean university?

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was only there for a year. Um, and I loved it.

• 16:07Jessie Ware?

  What were you, what were you studying?

• 16:08Speaker 03

  International relations. Um, and I, yeah, it wasn't like a, I hate school, get me out. I really loved it. So it was.

• 16:17Jessie Ware?

  Do you think you'd go back to it and finish it?

• 16:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm still on a leave of absence. So I hope, I hope to return.

• 16:22Jessie Ware?

  I hate to break it to you, Gracie Abrams. I don't know if you're gonna be going back anytime soon.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  So I hope so. I have a friend who went to Columbia as well, who he, Aaron, uh, Doesner, who I made the album with. We're like, he did graduate, but like, let's go back together. Because our campuses were attached, twenty six.

• 16:39Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, babe, you're like, you can go, my husband's retraining as an osteopath now and he's forty. So, yeah, but like.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  That's convenient.

• 16:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it, it, well, if he bloody do anything, I said, I said to him last night, I said, babe, my ankles are hurting a little. Bit and he went, oh, cool. Went back to his book.

• 16:54Speaker 03

  Can he do like massage?

• 16:56Jessie Ware?

  It's kind of fashion.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Like in theory.

• 16:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he can when he's in the clinic, working on other bodies. But, um, so if we were coming round to your house, what would you be making for us?

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Braised leeks.

• 17:09Jessie Ware?

  Okay, delicious.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Which is my favorite food right now.

• 17:13Jessie Ware?

  Where were they inspired by? Like, have you been somewhere and eaten them?

• 17:17Speaker 03

  No, actually, this, um, uh, Corey Larkin is her name, I think.

• 17:23Jessie Ware?

  Oh, I love her.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Have you made her leeks?

• 17:27Jessie Ware?

  No, but they're the ones where they look very pretty. I'm obsessed with her.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Is this on Instagram?

• 17:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, she's really cool.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  I just did, um, for Vogue recently, did they have like a cooking series? And I just did that and I was so stressed about what to make and I've just made that a million times. So I decided to go with that. That and it was, it ended up being the best, the Eno martini, which was my favorite drink.

• 17:48Jessie Ware?

  Gin.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Ever.

• 17:49Jessie Ware?

  Extra.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Dirty. What's your?

• 17:51Jessie Ware?

  Mine is vodka. I, I, you say extra dirty, I say filthy.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's probably the better way to say it.

• 17:58Jessie Ware?

  But I like, I, I go vodka, but I love it. And, um, I had a big argument with Rafe Fiennes about, uh, like a blue cheese olive in there too.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  I've actually never done a blue cheese.

• 18:08Jessie Ware?

  A little creaminess in it.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, but weren't it makes it all cloudy?

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's fine. Cloudy, anyway, I always get a sidecar of Brian.

• 18:16Jessie Ware?

  Yes, yes. Where have you found the best martini in London?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Trullo.

• 18:22Jessie Ware?

  Trullo, okay.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Where's Trullo?

• 18:24Speaker 03

  It's, uh, in Islington.

• 18:27Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, so you do us the braised leeks?

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:30Jessie Ware?

  Is that like a main or a side or a starter?

• 18:34Speaker 03

  In my house, it is a main.

• 18:36Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  But it is a starter.

• 18:38Jessie Ware?

  With it on the side?

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh, yeah, like roast, I mean, it's all kind of, I eat everything, but I've been making lots of like roast vegetable things these days. Roast carrots and again, sort of like, I think because my favorite food is, is like a one pan, just like slow roast. Meat plus veg. That's just like, that's my fantasy. But that, the leeks with sourdough toasted, just like pulled apart. It's insanely good. It's insanely good. And I've also been making, um.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Lots of like different kinds of toasts, like sardine toasts and things like.

• 19:13Jessie Ware?

  Tell me what you're doing. Yeah. What do you put on the top of your sardines? Are you a vinegar girl?

• 19:18Speaker 03

  No.

• 19:19Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  No, I've been doing this like, um, this, this would kind of be like a lunch, I suppose, but, oh my God, it's such a.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  What?

• 19:29Jessie Ware?

  It's um. This is quite American.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Baby.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  It's a savory one.

• 19:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh, do you like a Dutch baby?

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:37Jessie Ware?

  Okay, great.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  But I'd done it savory and I was gonna put smoked salmon and crème fraîche on it.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Oh my God, when did you start getting into, like, have you always been a master chef?

• 19:47Jessie Ware?

  She doesn't like cooking, actually.

• 19:48Speaker 03

  Oh, what? Why this gig?

• 19:51Jessie Ware?

  Cause she's good at it.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:54Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  Did you, was this like, did you have every meal growing up?

• 19:57Jessie Ware?

  She always cooked, yeah. And she's always up for, up for giving something a shot.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  That's.

• 20:03Jessie Ware?

  That does look impressive.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  That is insane.

• 20:05Jessie Ware?

  Looks fab.

• 20:07Jessie Ware?

  Um.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Smells so good.

• 20:08Jessie Ware?

  I know. Um, so, okay, so roasted stuff. Okay, so.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Roasted stuff, but sardine toast.

• 20:14Jessie Ware?

  Yes, sorry, yes.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  Rubbed garlic on the bread, toasted bread. And then I've been doing like sun gold tomato, all in a bowl, like sun gold tomatoes, ricotta, shaved parm.

• 20:25Jessie Ware?

  Ooh.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Um, lots of parsley, um.

• 20:30Jessie Ware?

  It sounds delicious.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Lemon zest and juice. And then that goes down in the bread, hot honey and sardines. And it's so good.

• 20:42Jessie Ware?

  That sounds absolutely delicious.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  It's so fresh.

• 20:44Jessie Ware?

  Did you make this up yourself?

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, this was, but this is after like many rounds of attempted sardine toast that was kind of like less impressive, you know? It's so delicious. It just tastes like summer.

• 20:55Jessie Ware?

  Um, and then serving drinks, would you, would you, cause you make martinis. I don't ever make a martini, but I feel like maybe I should start.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  I, you should, but I don't do it in a nice way. I have like jars. You could just do, if you're doing it just for yourself, just in a jar.

• 21:09Jessie Ware?

  Like an old.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  But I also was told that a gin martini shouldn't be shaken.

• 21:13Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know. I was kind of like, um, after making one on the internet. I was, people were letting me know I did it super wrong, I guess. Which I'm like, but.

• 21:25Jessie Ware?

  So you're getting told about your, uh, your technique.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  You just gotta not look.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  I love my martinis. Oh my goodness.

• 21:33Jessie Ware?

  Mum looks beautiful. Cordelina, lovely.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  It's a Dutch baby that's now collapsed a bit, but it's got smoked salmon dill. And you make it with herbs and, um, a bit of Parmesan, sour cream, but help yourself.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  And there's some avocado and things and, no, you help yourself, darling.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  No.

• 21:51Jessie Ware?

  Um, and, uh, okay, so, uh, when we're coming round for our braised leeks.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:57Jessie Ware?

  Um, what music would you be playing at your party?

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Nina Simone?

• 22:01Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Oh, I've actually, and then in, well, this is mornings, so, but I would just on the way here after listening to your record, I put on Billy Martin. Do you ever listen to her?

• 22:10Jessie Ware?

  No, should I listen to Billy Martin? Okay, fine. You help yourself.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 22:13Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  I mean, I will, but.

• 22:15Jessie Ware?

  I don't think you're a daughter from hell, actually. I think you're very good.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Very well hort up, Gracie.

• 22:19Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna do that. You do that the rest of it, yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Thank you all. But I guess for cooking, I like to listen to Django Reinhardt when.

• 22:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Cooking, just something that feels like up, you know what I mean?

• 22:30Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Um, we, yeah, that's, that's on in the house often.

• 22:37Jessie Ware?

  Have you had to listen to a lot of Beatles?

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:41Jessie Ware?

  What's a deep, what's a Beatle deep cut that we should all be listening to?

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Oh God, I'm like, what is a Beatles deep cut? I don't even know if they exist.

• 22:50Jessie Ware?

  Do you want some avocado, anyone?

• 22:52Speaker 03

  This is insanely good.

• 22:53Jessie Ware?

  This is delicious, mum.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Nice, yeah.

• 22:55Jessie Ware?

  It's kind of a bit like a Yorkshire pudding, but like, you know, an elevated Yorkshire pudding.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  That's what a Dutch baby is. Well, okay, fine.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  What is, I got it right. I don't know about Yorkshire pudding.

• 23:05Jessie Ware?

  What?

• 23:06Speaker 03

  No, sorry.

• 23:07Jessie Ware?

  What is it? Yorkshire pudding, you have it with your roast, on, um, a Sunday roast.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  I've never had that.

• 23:12Jessie Ware?

  It's almost like this. You haven't lived.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  What is it?

• 23:15Jessie Ware?

  It's a basic, it's.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Similar to this.

• 23:18Jessie Ware?

  But you have it and you have loads of gravy in the dip. You put the gravy in, you have it with your meat.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 23:23Jessie Ware?

  It's like a carby delicious pancake on your plate.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  Down.

• 23:27Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm. Have you had a barbecue yet, Gracie?

• 23:30Speaker 03

  No, not here.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  You know, like, the Brits, it's our thing when.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  I've never heard that.

• 23:35Jessie Ware?

  Okay, in the summer.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Gee.

• 23:37Jessie Ware?

  It's like when the sun comes out. You smell a barbecue on the road, you're like.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  And then you open rosé wine.

• 23:43Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. You mu- like, you must be inaugur- like, into the British summertime.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Well.

• 23:49Jessie Ware?

  You must burn sausages on a barbecue.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  I need to get into that, but it's making me realise, like, my, um. I have a very, like, I think it's a more, like, Irish leaning existence of living in London, do you know what I mean? I've never heard of the.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  So, do you like Irish food?

• 24:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Do you know about Irish potato chips, the crisps?

• 24:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh, we had a guest on.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  My favourite is salt and vinegar.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, so we had Otte Mabusi on, but there's a particular make of tatoes, I think they're called.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  I'm familiar, I'm now familiar. Um, but yeah, I, uh, I need to get barbecuing.

• 24:28Jessie Ware?

  You really do, but it's, you're a real Brit when you walk past and you go, someone's having a barbecue.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  I had a gorgeous, very, like, neighbourly evening, a neighbour, um, had. Like, she's, she was so cool, I hadn't even met her yet, but she slipped a note under the door and said that she was having. Curry night, where she was teaching all these ladies to make curry. And I went over for, and I was coming late.

• 24:57Jessie Ware?

  On your own?

• 24:58Speaker 03

  I texted her, yes, but I have, we have, we have a mutual friend, so I.

• 25:01Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine. I thought that was very brave, brave of you, Gracie, that.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  I, it felt, it was like, I'm, I do, it's in these moments where I realise, I'm like, so I am kind of. Quite introverted still sometimes, but anyway, but I went over and it was the most amazing food ever and she, and they'd all, all of these. Women who are so incredible, I, I came late because I was coming from work and she said it was not inappropriate to come late, that I should still cook. So I went, I felt very bad, but brought wine and tried to make up for it by cleaning.

• 25:30Jessie Ware?

  Did you get to cook?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  I didn't get to cook anything, but I ate, but then she had printed, I keep dropping my napkin, but she printed out all these sheets of, um. How to make everything, so I took all these pictures, so I'm gonna try to recreate it myself, but it was such a beautiful, I don't know, I just love. I love people who make food the centre of an event.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I've got some bits for dessert as well.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Well, it's not really dessert.

• 25:55Jessie Ware?

  Well, mum made-

• 25:56Speaker 03

  You've already made the most beautiful thing.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  I I I've made some compote, which is just very compote with, I'm mad about vanilla yogurt that Mots and Spencer's make. But we've also made-

• 26:11Jessie Ware?

  Well, you, well, I, okay, this is, this is a disclaimer. I actually didn't because I went for a blood test this morning. So my perfectly wonderful Rosie, my nanny, I was like, listen, mum has told me to make these cookies. She came and delivered them. Apparently you really like this New York Times banana cookie.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:28Jessie Ware?

  You're, so that's what we've made.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  What?

• 26:31Jessie Ware?

  I say we, I've done nothing.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  No, stop, really? I'm gonna flip the table. Are you kidding?

• 26:35Jessie Ware?

  Do you, yeah, but I, but I also know-

• 26:36Speaker 03

  That was like during Covid, like every day.

• 26:39Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, but you got quite obsessed with them, but then also you would change it up. So I'm a bit worried that these are a bit too, you know, basic for you.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that's bad.

• 26:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, you can take them her way with you, so that's fine.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  I'm gonna freak out. Oh, my God, thank you. That's so thoughtful.

• 26:52Jessie Ware?

  You know what? I didn't have very ripe bananas, but I don't know whether this is a hack. Rosie put it in the oven, the banana.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  Oh, I've never heard of that.

• 27:03Jessie Ware?

  So it went black, like you put it on the barbecue.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Genius.

• 27:06Jessie Ware?

  And then she was like, well, now it's sweet and, oh my God, more kind of overripe.

• 27:53Jessie Ware?

  So listen, you know the drill because you listen to this podcast.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:56Jessie Ware?

  Last supper.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 27:58Jessie Ware?

  Starter, main, pudding, drink of choice. I, you may have already answered the drink of choice.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  Well, okay, I mean, I would say the leeks are really truly like essential to my life now.

• 28:10Jessie Ware?

  Okay, you get hyper fixated on things. This is your thing. This is your obsession at the moment.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  But that's like creamy and caramelised and kind of amazing and delicious with the bread. And then I would want my mum's chicken with lots of thyme and like a arugula salad on the side. And a baked sweet potato.

• 28:31Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Do you know what I had that I don't think we can get here? The Japanese sweet potato. So I had it at all time. It's the best thing I've ever eaten.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  You can't get them here.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Really?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  No, they're like caramelised and chewy.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're unreal. They're like the best sweet potato in the world.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  In the world. They're called Japanese and they're more like a cross.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  I'm gonna find them.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Like the cross chino yam in a sweet potato.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, it gets so.

• 28:57Jessie Ware?

  What colour are they? They're more yellow.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  They're, they're.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  I don't know, it's been dark.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  They're yellow on the inside.

• 29:02Jessie Ware?

  Right, more yellow than orange.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  But they do them and they go crispy on the outside.

• 29:06Jessie Ware?

  Was that all time the most expensive place in the world?

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 29:09Jessie Ware?

  On Hillhurst. Is it Hillhurst or Franklin? It's delicious, by the way, if you're listening, you are delicious, but you are very spending.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:16Jessie Ware?

  So we've got your mum's roast chicken.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, chicken and the sweet potato, which either regular baked potato or sweet potato.

• 29:23Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 29:23Speaker 03

  Which is very my grandmother in my head. And then a dessert.

• 29:28Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, what's your dessert?

• 29:29Speaker 03

  The, now it's the Trulo chocolate sorbetto.

• 29:34Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  That's like pretty insane.

• 29:36Jessie Ware?

  Is it delicious?

• 29:38Speaker 03

  It's insane. It is the best ice cream of sorts.

• 29:41Jessie Ware?

  What makes it a sorbetto?

• 29:42Speaker 03

  I don't know. That's just what it is on the menu. Trying to pay my respect.

• 29:45Jessie Ware?

  Sounds a bit cuter, doesn't it?

• 29:46Speaker 03

  It's incredible. And now I'm thinking of lots of other things.

• 29:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, no, you can have a trio if you want.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  I like dates in the fridge, like super chewy cold dates. Now I think it's just I'm thinking like on a summer's day, it's quite hot.

• 30:02Jessie Ware?

  Have you tried dates in the freezer with peanut butter inside?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Best in the world.

• 30:06Jessie Ware?

  So good.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  Like so good, but I don't like when people are kind of like have Snickers at home. I'm like, it's a different thing.

• 30:12Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, that is a different thing.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I think it's better, but I, you know.

• 30:16Jessie Ware?

  How are you finding? How are you finding the chocolate here?

• 30:20Speaker 03

  It's incredible.

• 30:21Jessie Ware?

  It's better, isn't it?

• 30:22Speaker 03

  It is better. I like the buttons.

• 30:25Jessie Ware?

  Oh, the dairy milk buttons. You're gonna get them now all the time, you know this. Do your fans give you stuff when you say something?

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I like the button.

• 30:35Jessie Ware?

  What's the most kind of absurd thing that they've given you?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Oh, God. Well, we get, we get just like obscene amounts of the same foods, like snacks or things. We've gotten, and there's been like a fair amount of fans who like bring baby photos of themselves or something.

• 30:57Jessie Ware?

  Why? What, what was that? Cause that was a conversation?

• 31:01Speaker 03

  No, no, just that that's like a thing that's happened that I go, huh.

• 31:06Jessie Ware?

  Um, thank you.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  One time in the, in the bus, the lights were turned low. I was opening an envelope and poured out what was inside and it was little tiny white rocks, but I thought it was.

• 31:21Jessie Ware?

  Drugs?

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Teeth.

• 31:22Jessie Ware?

  Oh, oh, I thought, alright.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  I swear to God and I was like, yeah, drugs, little, little white.

• 31:29Jessie Ware?

  You, okay, so you thought it was baby teeth. If you'd like some, Gracie.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Thank you. Oh, my God. But can I serve you please first?

• 31:34Jessie Ware?

  No, you, you help yourself. Do you know what they were?

• 31:37Speaker 03

  They were little like quartz.

• 31:40Jessie Ware?

  Oh, like for like, you know, clarity. Oh, sweet.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  Very sweet, but for a moment it was very, uh, nerve wracking.

• 31:48Jessie Ware?

  But this kind of notion, the notion of the fangirl, you have fangirls, you have a huge fan base.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  I think like in this time, just with the internet, it used to be the thing of like, oh, this is insane, you guys. I am so grateful.

• 32:03Jessie Ware?

  But I, well, that's very, you're very welcome.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  It is like insane to be, you know, it feels like home in all the ways now. Um.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  It's delicious, isn't it?

• 32:15Jessie Ware?

  It is good, this Greek yogurt.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so delicious.

• 32:19Jessie Ware?

  But yeah, the fangirl, it's like a real thing. You see it with you. Taylor, Olivia Dean.

• 32:25Speaker 03

  Oh, I love her.

• 32:27Jessie Ware?

  She's fantastic.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  I just was watching videos of her show last night and she said it was her first headline show in Ireland ever.

• 32:33Jessie Ware?

  Oh, wow.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  And there were forty thousand people there. Can you imagine your first headline show?

• 32:36Jessie Ware?

  That's insane. It's insane.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  I mean, her story. Yeah, but anyway, sorry. Yes, the, um, I think because there's, it's like the parasocial thing. Like, the ability to have access to someone whose stories you connect with, just like in your palm, feels like there's a real closeness there. So, but I also grew up with that being the norm, like, stan culture being like so at the forefront of like any artist's kind of

• 33:06Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  movement. It's like there is ju- so, so I think sometimes being on the receiving end of it can shock me. But I also, in, in the culture, I understand what it's about. You know, I just think when it, when it comes back to you, you're sometimes like, whoa, whoa.

• 33:26Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I can, yeah, I can understand that.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  But it's such a, it's such a compliment, you know, that coming from a place of people, for whatever reason, my music meaning something to them, or I, you know, all of the music that I grew up being obsessed with, yours included, it's like, you just do feel like it's speaking to something in your life. And so that's my, that's my favorite thing. So I do get it.

• 33:50Jessie Ware?

  I, I feel like you had such an incredible moment at Glastonbury. But I do feel like you could return next year.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  I would die.

• 33:59Jessie Ware?

  Does this, I feel like, okay, here's, here's what I'm saying. Taylor Swift headlines, Gracie Abrams warms the crowd up just before that. That's what I'm, this is what I'm saying is gonna happen.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  There's nothing like opening for Taylor Swift.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  When did you first meet Taylor Swift?

• 34:15Speaker 03

  It was like right after quarantine was lifted, I want to say.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  So you're quite young.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we've known each other for a second now. In my mind, it feels like yesterday still, but, um, we met at her birthday. She, I got like a text from a number that I didn't have saved. And I thought it was this. Joke. And she had invited me to her birthday and I went and um she was just immediately like the warmest and and um. Yeah, most kind of like inclusive and um. Yeah, it was crazy. I bet her shows are pretty.

• 34:54Jessie Ware?

  I went to the year as one, yeah. Yeah, you weren't. It was Paramore.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  I wasn't with her, but I went out for one of the um, which was two years ago, when my album came out. She was on one of the songs and we, yeah, and we did that for the first time at Wembley, which was a.

• 35:12Jessie Ware?

  No big deal. And before we let you go, which I would like not to, but.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Do you like it? Yeah, I love it.

• 35:17Jessie Ware?

  Really good. It's really good, mum. Yeah, you definitely and I'd like you to take some with you as well.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Really?

• 35:22Jessie Ware?

  Um, yeah, of course.

• 35:23Speaker 03

  What? No, what about your kids?

• 35:25Jessie Ware?

  Oh, fuck them.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Do you want a bit, Jessie?

• 35:29Jessie Ware?

  Yes, please. A nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere, happy or sad, really.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  It's funny, my.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  My best friend Audrey.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  During Covid, before we, we ended up moving in together. After Covid, but. We would make these for each other and drop them off at each other's houses during the pandemic. And this is like. It is so strange, even then we would live together and I'd come home sometimes from tour and she'd have made some. Just like one of those, you know, it's so strange. You don't think like.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  They don't taste of banana, though.

• 36:06Jessie Ware?

  Maybe.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  So it wasn't ripe enough.

• 36:09Jessie Ware?

  Is that Audrey Ho, who is amazing? You write a lot with her.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  We did um loads of the last album together.

• 36:18Jessie Ware?

  You also did minibar on this one, didn't you? Which is great.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  So fun, that one.

• 36:22Jessie Ware?

  Really fun.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  We wrote that the same week that we did That's So True. And they kind of remind me of each other a little bit and they're like. The zippy kind of like.

• 36:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  But anyway, she's the best. So this makes me think of her. It feels quite nostalgic.

• 36:38Jessie Ware?

  Gracie Abrams, good luck with your record.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 36:41Jessie Ware?

  Daughter from Hell, it's really accomplished and brilliant.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Thank you guys so much for having me.

• 36:46Jessie Ware?

  Such a pleasure.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Nothing is gonna top this.

• 36:48Jessie Ware?

  And hydrate in this hot weather.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yes, I will. I will, I will.

• 36:52Jessie Ware?

  And, um, and yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  And barbecue.

• 36:54Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and barbecue.

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, cheers.

• 36:56Jessie Ware?

  Cheers.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Thank you guys so much.

• 37:11Jessie Ware?

  Gracie Abrams, Looking Divine, being, I think, one of the most helpful guests we've ever had. Wanted to basically do the washing up.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Definitely not a daughter from hell.

• 37:21Jessie Ware?

  No, I think I was today.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:23Jessie Ware?

  So appreciative of the food. It was delish, Mum.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Did you like it?

• 37:27Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  You didn't think it was gonna work, did you?

• 37:29Jessie Ware?

  Well, no, Mum, I hate to break it to you, but I also did a savoury Dutch baby.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  When was that?

• 37:34Jessie Ware?

  For Kedif Curran, a while ago.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Probably wasn't as good as mine.

• 37:37Jessie Ware?

  It's not a competition then. But it was yours was very nice. I'm saying to you, it was very nice. Congratulations.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 37:45Jessie Ware?

  Thank you for doing all the food.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Shame they go down though. They come up and you think, I've made it. And then you put them out and it all goes flopping at the bottom.

• 37:54Jessie Ware?

  Maybe it's the taste was there, Lenny.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  The taste was there.

• 37:58Jessie Ware?

  Gracie Abrams' record, Daughter from Hell, is out on the 17th of July. Go and get it. It's really beautiful. And we'll see you next week for more Table Mum.

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