Rupert Lowe - The Rape Gang Inquiry & Keir Starmer Resigning | PBD Podcast #822

Rupert Lowe, MP for Great Yarmouth, founder of Restore Britain, and former Southampton FC chairman, joins Patrick Bet-David live as Keir Starmer resigns. They discuss the UK grooming gang cover-up, mass immigration, the collapse of Labour, and whether Lowe is the future of British conservatism. ------ 🧑‍🧑‍🧒‍🧒 HOW TO RAISE STRONG KIDS: FREE LIVE WEBINAR: https://bit.ly/4fRBuik ⚽️ SHOP THE USA 250 COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4g0bfWY 🦁 THE VAULT 2026: AUG 31ST TO SEPT 1ST: https://bit.ly/4mZdLhD 😆 CHECK OUT VENTING WITH VINNIE: https://youtube.com/live/XTIx7FCjl_8 📕 BUY BRET BAIER'S CASE FOR AMERICA: https://bit.ly/4emcm24 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently

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• 0:14Speaker 00

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one of one? My sun's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Rupert Lowe, it's great to have you on the podcast.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  I'm honoured to be on your show, Patrick.

• 0:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The honour is truly mine. You know, when I saw the disturbing report that you wrote that went viral all over X, I don't know how many views, it got hundreds of millions of views, and then I had to go through this report and read it and read the stories of Chloe and Sebastian and others and the solutions and the stats and then hear how many people in the market reacted to it negatively, calling it baloney, bogus, which we'll get into that as well. I love the fact that you put that together because not a lot of people want to risk doing that. So I applaud you for doing that. And so I definitely want to cover this, the inquiry that we have here. But before doing so, today, if I'm not mistaken, as

• 1:16Patrick Bet-David?

  a, you know, member of the parliament yourself in Britain, today is the 10 year anniversary of the Brexit referendum that happened 10 years ago, and UK voted 51 nine to 48 one. And since then, you've had 10 different prime ministers, seven different prime ministers in 10 years. Keir Starmer just resigned a couple of days ago, I think when you and I were speaking on Sunday, the next day he resigns. So why do you think, one, he resigned? And why has UK had seven different prime ministers the last 10 years?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Well, as I think we discussed briefly when we spoke, which was an enjoyable call on Sunday evening, it's indicative of a sort of historical...

• 2:03Speaker 02

  What I call heavyweight country that is in decline. And I think where it's gone wrong is that Parliament, which basically is supposed to be populated by six hundred and fifty MPs who represent the people. They are supposed to be omnipotent and they are supposed to effectively protect the interests of the British people and the British nation. But you have to lay the blame, I think, for what is happening at the door, arguably of Tony Blair largely, and his changes to our constitution and his introduction of various

• 2:44Speaker 02

  acts and laws which undermined our constitution, which, as you know, had served us extremely well and delivered probably the highest trust society on earth with the best functioning Parliament judiciary, civil service, where you had a vocational civil service that was basically required to deliver and it was in its DNA to deliver. Obviously, a lot of the stuff emanated from Empire, from the fact that we, as a small nation, were administering a very large percentage of the globe. But I think what's happening, and you often see this throughout history, is great nations

• 3:27Speaker 02

  wax and wane, and I think we are slowly waning. And in answer to your question, I don't think we now have this functioning civil service. I think the Tony Blair's changes to our constitution, the introduction of the Human Rights Act, the introduction of a Supreme Court, which basically is now a quango and no longer reports to the Lord Chancellor, who basically was accountable for appointments in the past. Also, the Equality Act, which I think has damaged the relationship between people on the ground by basically turning it into a sort of legal fest and enriching idle parasitic

• 4:11Speaker 02

  lawyers at the expense of the rest of the population. So. I think Tony Blair has a lot to blame and I for and I think he can see that himself in and recently the old fox came out himself trying to almost distance himself from his own reforms. So in answer to your question, I do think to have seven prime ministers or seven CEOs of a corporation, whatever it is, that is, that is not a sign of a healthy country or economy. And and I like continuity in the businesses I run. I I value continuity. I value loyalty. I value commitment to to that to that company or that cause. And we certainly haven't got that.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Uh, we've got the disintegration of the two party system, which has let us down. Boris let us down in in in in in in twenty nineteen, when he won an eighty seat majority and failed to deliver the reforms that are needed. And we've really gone from uh uh one disaster to another. And Parliament, as I say, has been undermined. So we need to get Parliament back. We need to, in my view, reverse devolution, which I thought was a was been a terrible plan, which I think was part of the attempt to break up the the most proud sovereign nation in Europe by the EU, which, again, as you probably know, the foundations of the EU is a uh, so actually founded on monopoly called the European Coal and Steel Community. So its genesis was a monopoly.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  And it was basically created by a bunch of largely Grampsian Marxists who I think realized they had to destroy the nation state if they were to create this European superpower that they that they've always intended to create. Uh, but in in obviously, uh, uh, in the in the vote in twenty sixteen, which you just alluded to, the British people threw a spanner in that in in the works. And that has caused a a lot of trouble. Uh, but suffice to say that despite the fact the British people are supposed to be the bosses, uh, and they gave an instruction to the people who are serving them to deliver Brexit, it hasn't happened.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  And we haven't had the proper Brexit because Europe fears what would happen if Britain truly reformed itself, got rid of this welfare economy and actually started to create wealth and to follow some form of Austrian school economic model, which deregulated and genuinely invested long term, encouraged the private sector, not the state, all the things that are necessary to create wealth. But Europe is petrified of that, Patrick, because Europe is a sclerotic, dying, monopolistic sort of block of countries who, as I say, are founded on a socialist principle rather than a capitalist principle.

• 7:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me ask you, how much of it is they're avoiding touching or addressing issues that the people actually want because they're trying to, you know, they're afraid of the minority few that are too loud. What, what are they afraid of? What are they afraid of doing?

• 7:25Speaker 02

  Well, I, I, as I say, I think it's, it's, it's been a, a plan to arguably stop a further war in Europe, which hasn't been successful because we've had further wars in Europe since the genesis of the EU. Indeed, we have one now that's been going on for longer in, in Ukraine than the First and Second World War put together. If you take the incursion into the Donbass and Bluhansk and Crimea in 2014. So, look, I, I think they're totally misguided. I personally like the concept of competing nation states who have a proud history, who have an accountable parliament and a accountable government, and who put the interests of their people at the top of the agenda, which I, I have

• 8:09Speaker 02

  to applaud the people leading the US now. I think you've been through some dark times and some of the malaise that, that we have, we've imported from you. And I think when you see what happened with USAID and you see what, what, what had to be done when Joe Biden left office, you can understand how the tentacles of what I call wokeness and DEI and all the, all the sort of cancerous, uh, uh, uh, sort of malign philosophies that have permeated both you in parts and, and, and, and have taken massive hold here in our civil service, in our government, and in almost all of our big corporates. So you've seen the demise of the family business and you've seen the rise of

• 8:54Speaker 02

  faceless shareholders through pension funds. And very often, a bit like in the US, I think, the big corporations, the management team very often own a very small percentage of the business. So you, you, you know, it's much less accountable than a, than a business is owned by a family where people can go and talk to the people who own it and whose interests are entirely aligned with the workforce. So I, look, I think many things have gone wrong and maybe again, we should talk about central banks and we can talk about quantitative easing and dishonest things like that, which I think have distorted the sort of Protestant ethic which used to run deep through the US and the UK.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  But, you know, that's a bigger subject to, to talk about, but in, in, in the short term, I, I, I lay the blame firmly at Tony Blair's door. And we've got to now, in my view, win an election before 29 and install a group of sensible people with experience who are going to instigate a plan to reverse a lot of this malign legislation and a lot of this damaging philosophy, which is, which is, I think, part of the Anglo-Saxon world now.

• 10:11Speaker 03

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• 11:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's fair. I say we start off with this report, okay? And let's just start off there. So this report you release, the Rape King Inquiry, it's all over the place. It got 50 million-plus views when you released it yourself, just on your Twitter account, not accounting all the other people that shared it. Many different content creators reacted to it, nothing from BBC, and it highlights the devastating 250,000 kids that were violated in a most brutal... The more stories you read through this, it's just kind of very difficult to read it. You literally are in pain as you're going through this. So, one, how long did it take to put this report together? And two,

• 11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  what has the reaction been from the public, specifically people in UK, to this report?

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Well, let's go back to the start, Patrick. So the genesis of this report, it emanates originally from the fact that the government, the state, who has been, and particularly the Labour Party here, have been complicit in this because it is, as you can see, linked to the block Muslim vote, which effectively through the postal voting system here, which needs to be reformed, Labour were able to win large tracts of, particularly the inner cities, by attracting the Muslim vote. That Muslim vote is now migrating, and it's going more to vote for Muslim independence, and it's following a similar path to Lebanon,

• 12:45Speaker 02

  which used to be a Christian country. It's now a Muslim country. But, look, the government refused to have a statutory inquiry. And by statutory inquiry, I mean an inquiry where they can use the power of the law to force people to come to a statutory inquiry, and they can force them to give testimony. But as this goes to the root of the entire establishment, and as it's been going on for probably... Thirty, possibly forty, possibly even fifty years, as you can see from our report. On an increasing scale, because if you don't deal with evil, it flourishes. Uh, and that that's what the law is there for, to actually stop these evil happenings taking place.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Now, uh, we couldn't get the government to have this report. They tried to claim that the rape gangs were happening in small silos in places like Bradford and Oldham and Rochdale and Rotherham, but we know that not to be the case. And at the time, I was a Reform MP. I was, I was sitting alongside Nigel Farage, who promised that if they didn't have a statutory inquiry, Reform would have their own inquiry. I was actually in the chamber. You can see a picture of me sitting next to him when he announced it. He then, uh, politically assassinated, or tried to politically assassinate me. He hasn't achieved that. Uh, and kicked me out of his party for whatever reason. You'll have to ask him the reasons for that, but it was, I was, well, I wasn't expecting it.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Uh, and ostensibly, uh, uh, they claimed I, I, I had threatened people in meetings and I had bullied people in my office and I had, I had early onset dementia and false witness statements were made. My, my firearms were taken away from me, my shotguns. I, I, I like to shoot in the UK. Um, and you know, I've, I've, I'm a law-abiding citizen, so they booted me out of the party. Uh, and once we dealt with all the issues that, that, that were palpably, palpably false. Um, I, I set up a movement called Restore Britain and we with my team decided that if Farage, having promised it

• 14:55Speaker 02

  and taken all of the, uh, uh, sort of applause and plaudits from the media. He then failed to deliver it. So we thought, well, we will deliver it. So this has taken about fifteen months, probably.

• 15:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Fifteen months.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  It's been done, it's been done, it's been done with a fantastic team. Uh, uh, you know, led by Sammy Woodhouse, who's actually a victim herself. And does have a child by by her rapist. Um, and she is an incredibly strong and and very able woman. Uh, Marlon West, who's now standing for Restore Britain as the mayor of Manchester now that Andy Burnham looks like he's going to be crowned as prime minister without having been through a general election. Uh, and none of us know what his policies are, but it looks like he's going to be installed as the next ghost busting Labour prime minister, which I suspect will end in tears. So we decided to do it.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  So we had to basically do all the research and we had to, uh, uh, use Sammy's experience and we had to have safeguarding experts because when you undertake something like this, you know, the psychosomatic effects of dragging up these evils from the past can have a profound mental effect on people. So we had to make sure we had all the safeguards there. We produced the witness bundles.

• 16:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you mind going through? Would you mind going through? Assume the audience has no idea what's in this report. Assume the audience has no idea what the 250,000 is.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  But by the way, Patrick, we think 250,000 is a very conservative figure.

• 16:34Patrick Bet-David?

  I I I saw that number. Maybe walk us through for somebody that's not read the report, what's in the report? What are the findings?

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Well, because of Sammy Woodhouse's experience and because of the experience of places up north where you'd had a largely Islamic settlement in places like Bradford, in Leeds, in in Rotherham, in Rochdale, all across a lot, largely a lot of the northern cities, but this is happening across Britain in in almost everywhere. But we we we we thought we'd look at not only the victims, but we'd also try and analyze the reasons why this happened and how it happened and how it wasn't dealt with by the authorities. So we knew from Sammy that this had happened to her, it had happened to many other people,

• 17:25Speaker 02

  and that was what took some time. We went and found the victims who were fit enough and well enough to be able to give evidence. And I I'm absolutely full of praise for them because the two-week hearing, I have to say, was probably two two of the worst weeks of my life, having to listen to this testimony. Not just from victims, as I say, but also from experts on Islam and from medical experts and from all the the people we needed to to to hear from. Other MPs who sit in the House of me from other parties. So it was a cross-party effort. But it didn't, it wasn't a statutory inquiry. So we didn't have the the ability to force people

• 18:08Speaker 02

  to attend. Everyone who attended, attended voluntarily. So and we look, we didn't go into this with any preconceived idea of what we were going to find. But what we found is that there is a link between the Islamic settlement in parts of the UK and the fact that they don't integrate. They have very often their own Sharia law, which is allowed to happen, which I personally think is a disgrace. If you live in this country, you should live by our laws. And you should integrate into our society and should contribute to the and and accept the fact that we're a Christian country with a very long history and a very proud heritage. And and come here

• 18:54Speaker 02

  because you want to contribute, not because you want to settle your own religion and your own creed and your own credo within another country. So I I think what has happened is, and and it's a very complex situation, but gradually over time, the the the and I in a way, it was accelerated to some extent, I think, by the Stephen Lawrence case, which was a murder of a

• 19:24Speaker 02

  tragic murder of a a black, a young black man. And after that, I think we became fearful of being called racist as a nation. Now, that then morphed into, obviously, D E I and a lot of other sort of what I what I call malign philosophies, which which have weakened the fabric of Britain. So so we've got to look at the reasons how it how it happened. Now, it obviously, because it wasn't nipped in the bud, as we say in England, it it grew. And it grew from, I think, if you read our report, the fact that culturally

• 20:06Speaker 02

  we were a very high trust society and over thousands of years, we'd come to respect and honour women who are a big part of all of our culture.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Whereas I think if you read, you know, Islam has a very different view of women and it treats them very differently. And I never quite understand why the Me Too movement is so vocal about young white men treating women badly, when it doesn't have anything to say about the way in which Islam treats its women. And the fact that they are forced to cover up and if you if you read our report, you can see that culturally it is like trying to mix oil and water. So so I didn't write that report to make any judgments, or we didn't. It's a collective effort, it's not me, it's it's a collection of very concerned people and very brave people. And to your point earlier, yes, it does come with personal risk.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  I've had many death threats. And, you know, taking on an issue like this, which is probably linked to organised crime. It's certainly linked to rings of prostitution. And it's big business, so there's always money involved somewhere. So, yes, it's it's high risk, but I think if Britain is to repair itself, and I don't know to what extent it's happening in the US, but if Britain is to repair itself, we have to confront this evil. And we have to deal with it. And we have to accept the fact it's been happening. And we have to have a frank, honest Anglo-Saxon type debate about it.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  That is the strength of your constitution, it's the strength of our constitution.

• 21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd like to take a step back. Here's what I'd like to do, and and for me, I agree. I I think this needs to be a documentary, I think the world needs to see it, I think the world needs to meet each one of these individuals that are sharing their testimonies. But this this is what I'd like to do, Rupert. Again, speak to the audience, assume they've not read the whole thing. Share some stats, share some testimonies, share some stories because it's so uncomfortable to even read it and listen to it, but I think the truth needs to be laid out. So if you don't mind sharing a couple of their testimonies of the two weeks that you listened to, which I'm sure was very difficult. Walk the audience through with a couple of different things. When you're saying 250,000,

• 22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  what percentage, they were raped by who, you know, what backgrounds did they have? I think it's good for the audience to grasp that directly coming from you.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Well, the majority of the perpetrators of the rape were of Muslim background. From predominantly Pakistan and very often from one part of Pakistan called Meirpur. But there were other perpetrators from Eritrea, from Somalia, from Bangladesh, from Afghanistan. So, look, I mean, it's predominantly an issue I, we think from doing our research with Pakistani Muslim men. And by the way, it's not just girls who get raped, it's boys as well. So that, that we didn't cover massively in the report, but it's quite clear that was happening too.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  So, I mean, I, I did a speech in Westminster Hall about a month ago where I actually read some of the testimonies. So I'll read you a couple of little, I have to put my glasses on, being very old these days. So, I mean, give you an example. So I opened with, and, and I don't know whether your listeners are up to this, but I, I mean, if you're happy for me to read it, I'll read it to you.

• 23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Please go for it.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  So this is one testimony, the first one, he, which I read, he said, "He took his pants down, penetrated me, had sex with me, and then he stopped before ejaculation. He picked up the bottle of Jack Daniels, which was now empty, and he forced it up inside me. He broke the glass while he was there. At that point, I was about 12, nearly 13."

• 24:12Speaker 02

  So that's that's one. And then I'll read you two, which were particularly difficult to listen to. Um, I mean, one of them, a girl who I got to know was, she witnessed this herself. She's very, she's very strong and she's now rebuilt her life and actually done a degree.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  So she said she was actually trafficked, would you believe it, to Saudi Arabia, which was extraordinary. Again, this was happening, people were being taken out of the country uh into different uh parts of the world, which is extraordinary. And our government doesn't seem to be particularly bothered about that. So she said, it was all of the white girls in every home that I went to. I remember a man opening the back of a van and I saw maybe fifteen, twenty girls locked in dog cages.

• 25:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Dog cages.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  Literally dog cages in the back of a back of a pickup or a van. And another one, this is the worst we had, I think, or one of the worst. They're all pretty shocking, to be to be frank with you. Uh, dogs were brought in and I couldn't move at all. I had nowhere to move. I think what was the scariest thing was not having any concept of it. There were men around me, not horrified, not disgusted, not helping, but filming and laughing, making bets on whether the dog could actually rape me or

• 25:50Speaker 02

  not. And yes, I was raped by a dog. The man just held my face, stared me down straight in the eyes, and he wanted to see me break, which I did.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Now, honestly, Patrick, whoever does that sort of thing, from from in my mind, there's no place for them in a high trust society like ours. There just isn't. I mean, we, we, these go on, these go on, there's a lot of these. And I think if you've read the report, you've probably seen most of them.

• 26:26Speaker 03

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• 26:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Build your front end and back end together on Base44. Describe the product logic with a managed database, authentication, and hosting included. Spend less time assembling infrastructure and more time getting your product live. Go to base44.com. It's disturbing when you're going through it. And how many of them got pregnant? And how many of them, uh, you know, one of the girls at 18 years old was 70 years old. And she said probably 100, uh, men raped her. And these are, these are kids that are 11, 12, 13 years old. They're going to a house that they can't leave and then being threatened that if you go tell anybody, we'll tell your family and we'll come and do the same thing to your younger sister.

• 27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So the older sister protecting the younger sister doesn't want anything to happen to her. And in some cases, they were recording them and putting the videos online and publicly humiliating them. But the question that I think the audience needs to...

• 27:54Speaker 02

  It was, it was, it was terrible because what happened is there was like a, it was, it was like a roadmap to it. And, and some of that roadmap revoltingly centered around, you know, establishment homes for girls who didn't have a proper sort of mother and father. So they were in the care of the establishment, if you like. So this was happening, as you could probably see, in these care homes where the most vulnerable girls were, were residing. Uh, with no parental structures around them, just an establishment structure. It was also happening, and, and this happened to Marlon West and, and, and his daughter, I think was called Scarlett, from, from memory in the report, you've probably, probably seen it.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  So they were groomed early, so they were groomed, it's linked to the taxi industry, which again, there's a lax licensing uh uh structure here in the UK, which allows these taxis to be licensed, uh and a lot of them were licensed out of somewhere called Wolverhampton in in the Midlands. And these taxis, obviously, if you see a taxi hanging around outside a house, there's it's less suspicious than if you see a a car hanging around outside the house. So a lot of the taxis were involved in this as well. Uh so they were groomed as young as eleven, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. And they were, they were basically, as you could see, going to pick these girls up from schools, pick them up from care homes,

• 29:21Speaker 02

  uh and abusing them, and they disappear for long periods of time. Uh were abused and then would return, obviously, with all sorts of illnesses and injuries, particularly sort of, you know, chlamydia and uh gonorrhea and and other sexual sexually transmitted diseases. And ob- obviously, from the the statement I just read you, I mean, that the injuries, she, the one of those girls who had a bottle, uh which broke up her, uh that the injuries would have been horrific. So the question is, why wasn't the National Health Service uh reporting and policing this? Why were the care homes not reporting and policing it? Why were the police apparently on occasions facilitating it? Why was local government not dealing with it?

• 30:02Speaker 02

  I mean, it it's just, why were, why were ministers allowing this to happen? Why weren't the civil service not intervening? I mean, the list of questions just goes on and on. To anyone with a modicum of intelligence, you can't believe this has been happening. So they were groomed with cigarettes, with sweets, with alcohol, uh obviously with drugs, it's linked to drugs. We have, we some, we have something called county lines, drugs here in the UK, which is basically, you know, the peddling of drugs across the country. Um, which is a huge problem for the police. And therefore, there's a link to drugs. And gradually, they went from being friendly to being groomed to being raped. And and when you're let ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and I was struck by one girl.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Who said, you know, and and a lot of the social services said often these girls were asking for it. And she said, I was twelve years old and I and I got used to being raped. And I used to, when I knew it was gonna happen, I used to prepare myself to be raped. Well, that the social services took as her being ready. Uh, to be raped and and and accepting it. But the point is, she was twelve years old. She she thought it was the norm, Patrick. And you know, if somebody's twelve, they they haven't grown up properly. They don't know which way is up. And if this if this violence happens to them at a sufficiently young age. I I I it became clear to me that they accept it as the norm, which of course it isn't.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  And if you're brought up by loving, caring parents, which is the objective of of of marriage and and and and the Christian faith. You you you you you understand that that is definitely not right. But if you don't have those kind of boundaries and those kind of benefits of of of of a sound upbringing and a and a kind, loving upbringing. Then you it it it it struck me, it's quite easy to understand how the girls start to think it's normal. Well, it isn't normal, it should never be normal, and the perpetrators of this need to be punished. Uh, in my view, the people who facilitated it and allowed it to happen need to be punished. Uh, and we have got, uh, uh, we did this report.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  It was crowdfunded by twenty thousand concerned citizens in the UK. We raised six hundred thousand pounds and we've got that report done, had a two-week hearing with a fantastic barrister, Graham Smith, who's who who who who who helped write the report. Along with my team who basically produced all the stats and everything else uh uh which have gone into it. So literally, you know, this this is something which should be stimulating debate and I'm incredibly grateful that you you in America seem to care more about this than most of our institutions in the UK. I mean, I I would defund the BBC tomorrow. It's a malign monopoly. They haven't reported on this at all, as you said.

• 32:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That is that is just amazing to think that BBC that was once recognized as one of the most reputable, you know, media franchises in the world hasn't reported on this once. But by the way, I want to I want to follow up on this with a couple of questions.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Patrick, you probably know that the BBC Charter means they're supposed to inform, educate and entertain with complete impartiality. Well, how can how can something like this be produced and not be covered at all? I mean, it's quite extraordinary. They've actually found other ways of trying to go around it rather than uh talking about it. So it's not it's not new. And I think, as you probably know, historically monopolies go wrong in the end. Uh monopolies are a bad thing and the BBC is certainly in that camp. So assuming somebody sensible gets power, the first thing we we need to do is responsibly defund the BBC. And I I'm sure Donald Trump would agree with that sentiment.

• 33:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I I I think he would and he would not just want to defund it. He would probably want to sue them. But in America, when when the reason why Americans are interested in this story is because if this happens to you, America could be next, especially the fact that the previous president allowed ten fifteen twenty million illegal immigrants to just walk across the border. So who knows if some of this stuff has happened in America? A lot of Americans are like, this is probably happening here and we don't even know most of this stuff that's taking place. The ideology travels, it can go anywhere. So I the question I got is-

• 34:22Speaker 02

  You've got you've got some you've got some pretty awful uh uh people running, you know, cities like Los Angeles and Chicago and and, you know, other other parts of the US. So I I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't festering away. I mean, Minnesota, I think you were saying similar issue. It would it may well be festering away in places like that and people aren't aware of it. I wasn't aware of this. Uh, you know, as I said, as we said in the report until we- Actually read some victim testimony which came through because again you if you don't come across it normally you wouldn't you wouldn't expect this sort of evil to be happening on your doorstep.

• 35:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, but this has been happening for decades and the part I wanted to ask you is a testimony of Fiona. In Fiona's testimony on the bottom, it says, "The call handler told her, 'You can't describe them as Asian men because that's racist. You should just be glad your child is being taught a different culture. On one occasion, a police officer returned Fiona to the house where the abuse was occurring and told the man to have fun with her.'" I mean, if you have a government or cops, their job is to protect the helpless, those who can't help themselves. Why? If this is out there, because on one end, Keir Starmer

• 35:44Patrick Bet-David?

  the other day, he tweeted something about the previous incident that happened last week and saying this 36-year-old white Scottish man is being investigated by counterterrorism. Can you go back on the tweet where you had it? Counterterrorism police after five people were stabbed in Edinburgh. And he said after his arrest, "I'm protecting the country from these effing Muslim bastards raping our young daughters." And Mary Hassan responded and said the same week that Rupert Lowe put out this bullshit rape gang report falsely claiming Muslims raped 250,000 white girls, and same week Elon Musk amplified it on here, this happens, is anyone surprised, they're inciting violence against Muslims and emboldening extremists. And so-

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Well, Patrick, I don't buy that because what I I have nothing and I sit in parliament with a lot of the Muslim independents and I get on fine with them. They're perfectly decent and intelligent people. But the point is, if this evil is happening, the job of the police and the job of the government is to treat everybody equally under the law and deal with it in the correct way and stop it. But that's what they haven't done, as you said, for fear of being called racist. And actually, they go further than that. So they lock people up. So when we had the Southport killings, which was the killing of three young girls tragically up in Southport. Lucy Connolly put out some social media posts and deleted them four hours later because she was so shocked by what had happened.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  And she ended up going to prison for thirty months. And then you get some of these people who perpetrate this kind of rape and our judges over here, as I said to you, the system's gone badly wrong because of the Tony Blair's creation of the Supreme Court, which has become a quango, a woke quango. Some of these people are let off with lesser sentences because the judges say that they are culturally not understanding what they've done wrong. Well, I'm sorry, that doesn't work for me. If we all live in a country, we accept the fact that we live under one set of rules, one set of laws, and one set of policing, and everybody should be treated in the same way.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  But the government, very gradually, as I say, goes to the Muslim bloc, it goes to power, Patrick, it goes to being elected. And these votes historically have gone to Labour, and particularly, as I say, in the big inner-city areas. So Labour rely on these votes. That's why I don't personally think Labour either will or should win another general election, because they have allowed this pervasive evil to grow and damage the structure of Britain. And I hope the British people will punish them from now on in the ballot box for not delivering as they should have done.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  And again, there's the new Ghostbuster Burnham, who is supposed to be unveiled as our new Prime Minister, unelected Prime Minister again. And the track record of unelected Prime Ministers is pretty poor if you look at your last seven people who've been and gone. You know, he was involved in this rape gang issue in Manchester, which is a big, which is a big sort of axis of it. And there is criticism of him from many people for not digging deep enough and actually getting to the cause of the problem and the heart of the problem. So he's not above criticism. And I'm afraid it runs deep through the British establishment.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  And I, it's a, it's a combination of power.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  And this fear of being called a racist, which has become a fate in this country, which people fear worse than anything. Well, we have a mantra for that. We say we don't care. And the only way we can deal with this is to actually look at the facts. And if people call us racist, even though we're not, we just have to accept that. We have to be tough. But a lot of people in Britain do not want to be called racist. I happen to think Britain is the least racist country on earth. And I've traveled very widely in many parts of the world. And I've found far more racism and far more sexism in other parts of the world than I do in Britain. Britain on the whole has very kind people. And I don't blame

• 40:07Speaker 02

  the people. The people in Britain are some of the best people on earth. What's happened is the people who lead the country have gone very badly wrong. And I think until we change that, they'll go on making bad decisions and we'll go on suffering the consequences of that.

• 40:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So, and by the way, the 250,000 or the number that you're saying is higher than 250,000, who gave that number? Where did that number come from? Because one thing I know about UK is they don't track this data. So they don't track and they put it as Asian and people can't really qualify it. Where did you get that number from?

• 40:42Speaker 02

  You're quite, you're quite right. Well, it's an estimate from what we've seen and the inquiry we've done. But you're quite right. They call them Asian grooming gangs. And we point out on on X. And I should say, we all owe Elon Musk a huge vote of thanks, Patrick, for buying Twitter and turning it into a free speech platform. And, you know, that has given a lot of protections to the British people because otherwise, I suspect, as we're seeing, things would be would be suppressed. But the answer is they call them Asian grooming gangs. We point out that, you know, Japan is in Asia and this is not a Japanese issue. It's not an issue from most parts of Asia, but it is an issue from

• 41:26Speaker 02

  certain parts of Asia. But to call them Asian grooming gangs is a misnomer. And it's wrong, but it it shows you how devious these people are and how they just don't want to address the truth. And, you know, uh, uh, our, our estimate is very conservative. It's probably many more than two hundred and fifty thousand, but that is a figure that we, we think is, is, is, is, is on balance of what we've seen, uh, a minimum. And, and, and also the places that we have put on our, in our report that it's happening, uh, is also conservative because every time we put a list, we get people from other parts of the country saying it's happening in my area.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  But unless we've got definitive proof of it, we haven't put it in the report. So, so, look, I mean, I, I, it's very widespread and I think, I think it's, you know, it does need to be discussed over here. It's been happening here and people need to be punished.

• 42:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why targeting white girls? Why is it that specifically targeting white girls? Is it something that they believe in that's in their scripture and their Quran? Why are they mainly targeting white girls?

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Well, if you read the report, where we do go into the reasons, uh, uh, why we think it's happening, it's because white girls, uh, tend to, uh, not cover themselves. They, they, uh, uh, uh, I, I think, you know, it goes to Islam's view of, uh, other, other peoples and other religions, the, the infidel. If you read, if you read it, it's all in the report there.

• 42:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, you want me to read it to the audience? Cause I have it right in front of me. I just wasn't wanting to. I'll, I'll read it to them. So it says, white girls show the curves of their bodies. So they are asking for it. They should be raped as punishment for not obeying Allah. Kaffir non-Muslims, girls are worthless. This is what it's saying in the report. Sex with a Kaffir girl doesn't count as adultery. Only sex with a Muslim woman counts as adultery. If you're not a virgin before marriage, you should be beaten. Many times I was told that the Quran says, if one of your wives disobeys, you beat her. And I can't go on. This is disturbing to, to see this, uh, uh, to, to, to read this. The question becomes, what would happen Rupert, if they conducted, committed the same crime

• 43:42Patrick Bet-David?

  in a Muslim majority country? What would happen in Pakistan if they did to this to another Muslim girl?

• 43:47Speaker 02

  They'd be, they'd be executed, Patrick, if they did it to, uh, uh, uh, one of their own in Pakistan. Yeah.

• 43:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So they would be executed in their own country, so they leave, so they can, they do, they rape other white girls in UK where they won't be executed. Will they even go to jail for doing this?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of them, of course, haven't gone to jail because, as you've seen, and to your point on the police, there were actually, one girl said she was regularly at police nights where the police officers got involved in raping girls. So, look, this, this is a pervasive evil, and the answer to your question is if you're, if the guardians of justice aren't doing their job, then it grows. And I think you've got to also look at their concept of, they're very clanish as a people, and, and, and they would, they will defend their clan above everything else. So I think that's more important to them. And as you can see from the report, they are, it's not, it's not wrong to lie if it's protecting

• 44:47Speaker 02

  your kind. I mean, we've gone into quite a lot of detail on what we consider to be the root causes, and we were hoping to stimulate debate, but nobody seems to want to have the debate over here. So it's fantastic that you're all taking interest in the US, and hopefully with some pressure from, from all of you, we can, we can force the debate over here, too.

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• 46:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Rupert, let me ask you, if there was three names of people you would want to debate on this topic that fully disagree with you, who would those three names be? If we can moderate it and host it?

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Well, I think the person, the expert we had, Iron Hersey Ali, is a fantastic lady. She appeared at the hearing. She explained a lot of the reasons why it's happening.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  I don't really have three people who I would want to debate. There's a chap in America who's very close to Nigel Farage, who attacks us all the time. Is he called Hassan or something?

• 46:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Mehdi Hassan? Not Mehdi Hassan. No, no, you're thinking someone else.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  There's somebody who attacks us on a regular basis. But look, I mean, I just like to have a frank debate with anybody who will listen. And I was supposed to be speaking in Parliament about another issue today, which

• 47:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, Hassan Piker, the young

• 47:05Speaker 02

  involves puberty blockers for young children. And again, this is all part of this malign ideology here, which is just wrong, Patrick. And, you know, we had this Tavistock Centre, which was doing all these experiments on young people, who, you know, very often, sort of, people don't know about their sexuality until they have had a chance to sort of grow up properly. And the puberty blocker debate is on. It happened to just fall while we were doing this podcast. So I've, having agreed to do it, I've done the podcast. But this, again, this is the sort of thing that's happening over in the UK now.

• 47:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask a completely different question. So if 250,000 girls have been raped by these grooming gangs, how many stories do you have of fathers of these girls who found that this was happening, that seeked vengeance on the enemy that conducted the rape? How many testimonies of that do we have?

• 48:05Speaker 02

  It's a very prescient question, because this was happening to the Sikh community. Their girls were being raped. And the Sikh men actually did stand up and took control, and they defended their young girls. But when people like Marlon West tried to do this here in the UK as a taxpaying, very upstanding member of his local community, the police made it very difficult for him to protect his daughter. And that is a common theme. So again, the police tended to side, I guess for fear of being called racist, with the

• 48:50Speaker 02

  people who were perpetrating the evil rather than the people who were trying to stop the evil. And again, this is something we want to get to the bottom of. And, you know, we have said, and it's in the report, which you've read, you will have seen, that we intend now to, we have a system here whereby we can bring private prosecutions. So if the state won't prosecute something that's wrong, a private citizen can bring the evidence together, put the case, and actually bring a private prosecution. And it's our intention to pick the worst culprits, both in terms of the perpetrators, but more importantly, you know, the NHS, as I say, the social services, local government,

• 49:35Speaker 02

  the police, you know, everyone who's failed in their duty. Because in many ways, I think they've got more blood on their hands than anybody else.

• 49:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me read this, because I think this is very important. I found a page where it says, "This then escalated to coercion. The men began to showering the girls with attention gifts, alcohol, and drugs. Then this escalated to coercion, gang rape, and trafficking. They transported victims across towns, shared with friends and family, and sometimes forced conversions to Islam, followed by religious marriages. The Muslim men justified the abuse by describing white girls as easy, trash, or morally inferior. The same networks targeted Sikh girls until Sikh communities mobilized collectively, mail protection, and forced the gangs to withdraw. British girls were not permitted such a defense.

• 50:29Patrick Bet-David?

  This religiously framed exploitation was repeated in every major town and city and beyond." So one of the things I notice when I read through the stories, I see a pattern. I see the girls that were raped. Numerous times over and over again, didn't have a father in their lives. Typically, the mother, sometimes even the mother even knew about it. In one instance, the, the mother walks into the shower, the 11, 12 year old daughter is being raped, and she walks out. She walks out because she's afraid of what's gonna happen. And so, it, it, this, this is why, when I think about a story of 250,000 plus kids being raped, and the father finds out, this, in, in the Armenian commu-, I'm Armenian and Assyrian, and I lived in LA. If something like this happened to the Armenian and the Assyrian community,

• 51:14Patrick Bet-David?

  oh, it would, it would be, it would be, it would be chaotic. It would be, it would be a war, full on. So, if the number's 250,000, a guy, I asked this question from you on Sunday, and I'm curious to know how you answer this. A father, menacts me from UK. He says, Patrick, I know what's going on in UK. It's disturbing. We hear about friends and family that are going through this. If the government's not willing to do anything about it, seven prime ministers last 10 years, do you think it's the Christian thing to do for us as men ourselves to defend our young girls? I didn't have an answer for him. What do you taste, what do you tell somebody like that?

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Well, if the rule of law is working properly, Patrick, you, you, you want people to obey the law and abide by the law and respect the rule of law. But it, it, the question, I guess, is how long do you put up with a deficient legal system, a deficient police, uh, uh, response? Uh, and an evil which is damaging the interests of your young people? I mean, sooner or later, people do have to act. But you've probably seen, uh, as we were talking earlier, that the state clamps down very much on any form of dissent from the indigenous population, uh, far more aggressively than they do other people. Because they know that, uh, once that gets out of control,

• 52:40Speaker 02

  then we end up with a various, very serious, uh, problem. And the problem, the issue we've got is that we have these illegal migrants arriving, you know, they're called asylum seekers. I call them economic migrants. They're definitely not asylum seekers. They arrive. And because of the, I mentioned to you earlier, the Human Rights Act, which embeds within it the ECHR, the European Convention on Human Rights. These people come in, mainly young men, predominantly Muslim, and they're being settled across the country. We end up, the taxpayer ends up, ends up providing them with water, with clothing, with spending money, with hotels, with just about everything that we're not

• 53:24Speaker 02

  providing to our own taxpaying veterans and citizens who need help. So the whole thing is wrong. And it is potentially reaching boiling point. And to your point, in the end, it will, if it's not dealt with, it will explode because you cannot have a society which doesn't protect its most vulnerable people.

• 53:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no, you can't do that because if people have to take, the job of a father is to protect his kids. And if you don't, for the rest of your life, you will feel like you're a coward for not defending them. I don't care if anybody doesn't want to defend my kids. You know, a father will go to prison just to protect his kids. Of course, you want to be able to avoid it as much as possible, meaning if it's something small, somebody made a comment, somebody made this, there's levels to offense, right? Even if somebody says, you know, something very dumb about your family, you probably don't want to fight them. An 18-year-old kid would. 35-year-old, it's better you stay by the kids than go to prison. But if you're crossing the line and raping, all the laws are outside the,

• 54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, especially if the jurisdiction and the law is not protecting, what is that father supposed to do?

• 54:39Speaker 02

  But the problem, the problem you see is if you've got these illegal migrants arriving, there's a lot of people living here illegally. And again, we've done a document, it's actually up on the shelf behind me, on mass deportations. And people accuse us of wanting to deport whole communities of people here with a British passport. Well, that's not true. We'd start with the illegals arriving illegally. We then deal with the people living here illegally, and then we deal with the foreign criminals in our prisons. And then we would turn our attention a bit like Sweden and Denmark now are. They indulged in some very ill-advised immigration in about 2015, when Angela Merkel was in charge of Europe. And it's literally,

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Sweden's a very high-trust society, as is Denmark. And they brought these people, again, largely from Muslim cultures, and they've reduced places like Malmo to the crime centre of Europe. And now both Sweden and Denmark are turning their attention to legally encouraging people to go. So you can create a hostile environment, so you deal with benefits and encouraging people to come in order to collect money for doing nothing. They also need to integrate, as I've said, they need to play a part. And I have no problem with people who do that. But if people don't, then we have to find a solution to sorting this out.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Because if we don't, it's just going to get worse and worse. And, you know, I don't see our state doing enough to protect the interests of the honest, decent, tax-paying people who do care hugely about the country and are very law-abiding. But when the straw, you know, that breaks, the camel's back breaks, then there is going to be a problem. And I think while the Islamic population, I think formally is around 6% of our population, I think you're less than that. I think, aren't you 2%, something like that? But I think we're about 6, probably a bit more than that if you take the people who are here illegally.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  But we cannot afford to see that go higher and higher and allow parallel courts, you

• 56:51Speaker 02

  know, Sharia courts, allow cousin marriage, allow, you know, halal slaughter, which is happening more and more here and not being labelled properly. It's basically a takeover and I, and I, you know, in the end, we have to, we have to sooner or later stand up for what we are and what, what history has, has made us. And if we don't, then we will lose everything that we've, we, we've gained over thousands of years and, and arguably deservedly so.

• 57:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you, are you from the school of thought? Where this is being protected all the way from the top? And I'm talking from the king's standpoint, because you know, you've heard some stories about him taking money from Qatar and, you know, his relationship with Muslims in the past and Islam and, you know, how he'll be very complimentary to Muslims, but not as often, complimentary, complimentary to Christians. Do you think this is something that comes all the way from the top?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Well, what we haven't, I mean, again, the king, as you know, uh, constitutionally, doesn't have anything other than a sort of, he's the titular head of our, of our constitution. So he's, after the civil war, he ceased to be, if you remember, the civil war was basically about the divine right of kings. Um, so he sits at the top, uh, constitutionally, he's very important, Patrick, because he also, technically is, is under our constitution, supposed to be defender of the faith. That, that is, that is his role. And that faith is the Church of England. Now, you know, I, I, I, I did a lot of work for the Prince's Trust and I have met,

• 58:29Speaker 02

  uh, King Charles on a few occasions. I, I don't know, uh, what, uh, he is or isn't doing to influence this situation. If he was a good man, he would be reading this report and he would be influencing it in the right way. And I think he should be, in my opinion, underlining the fact that he is defender of the faith. Uh, whereas he, I think I'm right in saying prefers to be described as defender of faiths. Well, you can't be defender of the faith and also be defender of faiths. You have to be defender of the faith if you are head of the Church of England, which is what he is.

• 59:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, only reason I ask that is because in 1996, I'm sure you've read it, the Grand Mufti of Cyprus, Nazim al-Hakani, claimed Prince Charles had secretly converted to Islam in Turkey. And we've seen, we've read this before. So to me, if that were to happen. Then one could speculate and say, okay, fair. Maybe that's his religious belief and he's converted and to each his own. But maybe that's why he's slightly more protective. Now, of course, that's speculation, but when you read articles like this, you wonder if the influence is coming all the way from the top.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Well, he certainly, you know, he has Muslim worship at Windsor and things. I mean, he's certainly very keen to propagate a multicultural society, which again, I have no problem with if people integrate and they accept the prevailing laws and culture of the people they come and live amongst. And, you know, if you or I visit or go and live in an Arab or a Muslim country, I would expect to integrate and pursue their culture and their, you know, their practices, which again, I've often been to Dubai and Abu Dhabi and other parts of the Gulf. And at the end of the day, if I'm there, I, when we're in Eid or we're in, you know,

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Ramadan, I try and ensure that I'm respectful of the way they live their lives. But I, it doesn't appear from this report that that necessarily is reciprocated when you read it. And I can't, I can't comment really on King Charles because I don't know well enough. But I do think, you know, his role is defender of the faith. And I think that says it all in my view.

• 1:00:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's kind of weird when in 2025, you deliver an Easter message and 2026, you say you don't. One can only speculate why you protect as much as you do. It's a little strange, a country that used to be the financial capital of the world. You know, US and UK are tied historically for the rest of our lives, you know, whether anybody likes it or not. So maybe.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  And so we should be, so we should be.

• 1:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  We should be, I agree.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  You know, we are, we are, particularly you are, and you've got this proud history of since the founding fathers and I, you know, I have the greatest respect and admiration for those great men who wrote the US Constitution. You have the greatest respect for individual freedom.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  And if you read our report, I don't think necessarily that individual freedom is something at the top of the Islamic agenda. And that, I think, is something people should be concerned about because I want to live in a country of individuals. I don't want to live in a collectivist country. And I've looked at enough history to know that collectivism doesn't work. It crushes individualism, and it's individuals who create the best outcomes for a society. And we've seen that in the US, we've seen it in the UK.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Many of the best things in the world come from the UK and the US, and it comes from the fact we're free people. And, you know, if you look at the battle we had when I was young against the USSR, that collapsed, that was sort of collectivism versus individualism. And I think we need to, both of us, pull each other up by the boots and remember what we are and who we are, and propagate individualism and fight collectivism. I really, I really think never in history has there been a time when we need to do that more.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

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• 1:04:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree, we're on the same page there. By the way, just out of curiosity, is the data that clear enough where you can see Muslims from some parts of country that come in as migrants? Who have a very, very low rape percentage versus this one city that they come from Pakistan? Is there, is there, does the data reflect that? Because all you have to do is look at the cases, take the amount of immigrants that have come from that country and say, in this category, it's only 0.02%, and this category is 0.4%, here it's 1.3%. Guess what, moving forward, we don't want any migrants coming from Pakistan because of XYZ. Do we have that detail?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Well, of course, we haven't actually, I don't think we've studied the full analysis on it, but it's much less in Pakistan where you have the death penalty for perpetrating rape than it is here where people are apparently going unpunished. So, you know, it's just going to be a fact of life, isn't it? You don't, you don't necessarily need to do the maths on that. But, you know...

• 1:05:03Patrick Bet-David?

  But it would at least expose, because what would be fair, like, let's just say if somebody's watch, I'm a Christian, but let's just say Muslim watches this, and they say...

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  Well, I'm full of admiration. Now I know you're partly Armenian. I mean, the Armenians are some of the most able people in the world.

• 1:05:18Patrick Bet-David?

  My mother's Armenian, my dad's Assyrian, and I speak Aramaic, and I speak Armenian, and Farsi, and English, and a little bit of German. But as a Christian myself, let's just say somebody watches this, they're Muslim, and they say, "You know what, Rupert? This is unfair. Patrick, all you guys are doing is you're attacking my religion, and I have nothing to do with these rape gangs that are from Pakistan." Great. I'd love to be able to say, anybody that comes from here, these are the worst cases. If we get people that come...

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Again, it's a very good, it's a very good point, Patrick, if I could just come in there because... This is an issue for me, and again, I, I, I am not, and nor have we said in this report, that everybody who's Muslim is bad. That is certainly not the case.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  But what I do think is that when these sort of evils happen,

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  what I call sensible Muslims who want to integrate and want to contribute and want to play a part in our more libertarian and individualistic society, what they fail to do is criticize radical Islam when radical Islam perpetuates things on non-Muslims which are wrong. And, you know, they are, in a way, I think, partly frightened of radical Islam. And I personally don't think Britain has been tough enough on radical Islam. We allow various radical Islamic bodies to operate here. And to some extent, I think they are partly responsible for what's happening.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  So, look, I mean, the imams in the mosques, we heard, some of them are quite radical themselves. Some of them are radicalizing people who otherwise wouldn't be radical. I mean, we heard testimony again on this. It's all, it's all part of the sort of overall structure of the report. So if I were to say, are all Muslims bad? No, they're not. There are some extremely good Muslim people, and I wouldn't for one minute say otherwise. But we've just tried to analyze this particular problem, and we have concluded and we've put forward not only what's been happening, but we've tried to reason and explain why it's been happening,

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  how it's been happening, and stimulate debate in the hope that it will be stopped. Because it's still happening today, Patrick. It hasn't changed. We know it's happening today. It's very slightly changed in form, but in substance, it's still happening. So, you know, while we're having this podcast, there are probably girls being raped, abused, and groomed. And I, you know, the thought of that is frankly horrific.

• 1:08:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, there's no question about that. By the way, do you have any aspirations of, you know, being a prime minister one day? Is that something that you think about? I know it's not like US where you run. It's a very different model, but do you have any aspirations and interest in that job?

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Well, I, look, I, I, I went into politics late. I, I, I actually did stand. I've always been interested in it and I, and I fought against the Maastricht Treaty, which was the first sort of major surrender of our sovereignty, or one of the first. And the seventy-two European Communities Act was the first, which was, was the biggest, one of the big surrenders. But then you had the Maastricht Treaty. You know, obviously the Single European Act, Maastricht Treaty. And I, I stood as an MP in my own Cotswold constituency where I live. In ninety-seven, kept my deposit, fighting to save the pound with Sir James Goldsmith, who, who never gets enough credit for what he did.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Because if we'd lost the pound and we'd become part of the Euro, none of our, none of what we're doing now would be happening. Because once you lose your currency, you lose your sovereignty. Anyway, we, we, we, we saved the pound and David Cameron's referendum actually happened because all three parties made a promise to have a referendum before they signed up for the Euro. So I, I've been involved in politics peripherally, but I, you know, I, I, I've been in the city twenty years. I ran a Premier League football club for ten years, built a football stadium. I've done lots of other things in my life. I've lived in Japan, I've lived in Brazil. I've seen lots of different parts of the world and lots of different cultures. But I, I got elected as an MP when I was sixty-seven years old.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  And I think, you know, I've got probably more experience than most of my fellow MPs in, in Parliament, both from travelling a lot and also from running multiple businesses, involved in obviously finance. And you mentioned the City of London. The City of London is a tragic story. When I was young, it was the most vibrant place in the world, obviously, with the US doing lots of financings in the eurobon market and other sort of financings of nascent young companies and everything else and flirtations. But, but it's been, basically been regulated out of existence to the extent that London is no longer. It's a shadow of its former self. And I, you know, I laughed when Rachel Reeves, the, the deficient Chancellor of Exchequer,

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  was talking about... Uh regulating for growth. Well, I I have to point out in the chamber that you deregulate for growth, you don't regulate for growth. But these people are just, honestly, they've got no idea. So so, look, I I've always been involved in politics. To your point, do I? Did I come into this to to to to uh uh become Prime Minister? No, I I came in to actually help Nigel Farage to achieve that. But for some reason, he decided I was uh not uh the right person to be alongside him. You'll have to ask him why that was. Um and I but I do think that if we haven't won an election and installed a a group of sensible people under some strong leadership by twenty nine,

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  I I think we are heading for a massive catastrophe in Britain. Uh I sit on the Public Accounts Committee. I see public servants. Now, there are far too many of them. They're paid too much. Their pensions are too big. They're not held accountable by a front bench who doesn't understand what it's doing. And it is just depressing to watch the taxpayers' money uh leak out of the door, whether it's incompetence or whether it's fraud is is is is a matter of debate. But the bottom line is that taxes keep going up, uh uh private businesses keep declining and diminishing, and central planning is flourishing. And that is not a recipe for

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  uh uh you know, for a healthy or or sound or or or prosperous economy, Patrick. So I I think, in answer to your question, whether it's me or whether it's somebody else, we have to find a solution within the relatively short foreseeable future. And we have to basically implement radical change. Now, that with it will mean arguably a a a step backwards in order to move forwards, because you can't

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  You can't basically expect after the period of money printing, of quantitative easing, of self-delusion that we've been through, really in this extraordinary post-war period, you can't expect that things are going to carry on necessarily, you know, with an increasing standard of living, but a bit like the British people voted for Brexit, not because they wanted to be richer, but they wanted to be freer, they wanted their own accountable nation-state. So, people don't always vote for money, sometimes they vote for principle. And I think the time now is coming where the British people have got to decide, do we continue to delude ourselves and live in this welfareist society which basically

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  pays out 334 billion in welfare and collects 331 billion in tax, while our national debt breaches 100% of GDP?

• 1:13:30Patrick Bet-David?

  This is crazy.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Or do we, or do we actually say, we're going to put on the hair shirt, we are going to collapse the size of the state, empower the individual, and actually go back to doing what we do best, which is investing long-term in businesses that make sense, not businesses that are centrally planned and doomed to failure. So, in a nutshell, that's where we are, I think.

• 1:13:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's interesting. The idea, for somebody to do the job, you need somebody that's got, that's fearless, that's tough, that's not afraid of going up against these guys, that's formidable, and for you to do what you do with your club and the past business experience, you've been under the limelight for quite some time, so it's not like you're not accustomed to it, and you're a business guy. I thought it'd make for an interesting story. By the way, Starmer, Keir Starmer who just resigned, when you and I were talking about it, you brought up the Fabian Society, and we talked about George Bernard Shaw. For some of the people that don't know about the Fabian Society, would you mind sharing that with the audience?

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you if you actually look, the Fabian Society, a lot of people don't know about it, but it's something which goes again to the root of the Labour Party. And if you if you look at the front bench, most of them are Fabians. Keir Starmer is a Fabian, and he's a member of something called the Haldane Society, which is a very Marxist wing of British lawyers.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  You know, I think, you know, he's a Pabloist. I don't know if you've heard of Pabloism, but people should look at Pabloism as well. So he's, as I've said, Keir Starmer isn't what he appeared to be. He was a deeply, well, he he went to the Fabian Society's emblem, Patrick, which is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

• 1:15:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I looked at that logo. Is that really their logo?

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  That was their logo, a wolf in sheep's clothing. I mean, you you couldn't, you know, as I said to you, they were eugenicists. They were, you know, I mean, pretty extraordinary people. And again, I think if you're a libertarian and you're a free thinker, it would be the antithesis of everything you you you believe in. So, look, I mean, most of the Labour front bench are Fabians. Donald Trump's favorite man, who is gradually destroying London or quite quickly destroying London, Sadiq Khan, he's a Fabian. It's a it's a it's it's a sort of a theme that runs through most of the left wing in the UK.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  And I guess, I guess they have their reasons for being part of it. But I've always had a healthy suspicion of anything like that. And I've never participated in that sort of thing myself. So, but look, yeah, it's it's not good. It's not good and and.

• 1:16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Wasn't wasn't Keir Starmer, I mean, you're looking at Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Clement Attlee, Harold Wilson, James Gallagher, quite a few names. But wasn't Keir Starmer, before he became Prime Minister, one of his jobs, wasn't it childcare services? Did it not fall under his responsibilities?

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  I did watch a bit of a bit of your clip last night. He was the Crown Prosecution Service.

• 1:16:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Crown Prosecution Service.

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  He was head of the Crown Prosecution Service, which, again, you weren't a million miles off. As head of the Crown Prosecution Service, he and Lord Herma.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Who is now next to him, or will be, hopefully not for very long,

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  as the Lord Chancellor. Ultimately, they were responsible for making sure that things like the rape gang scandal didn't happen, because the Crown Prosecution Service is supposed to oversee justice in the UK. So a lot of these files would have gone over Keir Starmer's desk during his time as head of the CPS. But look, Keir Starmer's a human rights lawyer, Patrick. He makes money out of human rights law. So, you know, it's a bit, he's a bit like a poacher turned gamekeeper, really, when he's Prime Minister. And we see these people who peddle rubbish, enriching themselves

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  and giving themselves a position in society which they don't deserve, rather like parasites feeding on the back of an elephant. But in the end, they kill the host animal. And I think we're very close to that in the UK now. I think we've got too many white collar parasites, not enough blue collar workers. And, you know, I'm with the blue collar workers who actually get up in the morning and do something. I'm not with the white collar brigade who hopefully AI will destroy, who get between the wall and the wallpaper. So, look, I mean, I mean, that's, I think that's where we are, but.

• 1:18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Last question to ask you here. In the States, we have a Republican gubernatorial candidate in the state of California, Steve Hilton, who used to be a strategic advisor to David Cameron. Did you ever interact with Steve Hilton himself?

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  I've not spoken to him, but I think he's quite, he had some quite sound views on life.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  I haven't really followed his career, but I was aware that he was running, yeah.

• 1:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he's running for governor in California and he, I think he, he is the guy on the Republican ticket. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. Final thoughts on World Cup before we finish up. You're a guy that, you're a soccer guy. So you know everything that's going on. How do you feel about England's chances in World Cup?

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• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Well, England, often flatter to deceive, Patrick. I obviously would like to see them win. When I, when I was young, and I was born in 1957, England won the World Cup in 1966. As a result of that, I supported West Ham before I became chairman of Southampton. And there were the great players like, you know, Jeff Hurst and Bobby Moore and Martin Peters, who, who played in that, in that wonderful game. So I'm hoping, under German leadership, we will, we will enjoy a route to the final. There's a, there's a game tonight, which is quite important. If we win that, then I

• 1:20:40Speaker 02

  think that should put us through to the next stage. So, look, I, I mean, I was, I set up a football academy. Football in the UK again has its, we've got the best raw material. The, the, the, the young British players are incredibly brave and incredibly strong. But again, the industry is quite corrupt. There's a lot of agents who are putting, making money ahead of creating great football teams. And there's a lot wrong with the structure of British football. I was on the board of the, the FA. You know, I was on the, on, on various of the board, boards of Wembley National Stadium. I helped, helped build that.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  So, I mean, I think that the industry needs change, but to see England win again would be fantastic. And I hope that they they do it, but often sport, as you probably know, is won mentally rather than necessarily physically. And I hope that they prove to be strong enough mentally to to go all the way this time.

• 1:21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, who is, in your opinion, who is the greatest British soccer player of all time? It's a tough question because you guys have had quite a few.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  Well, of course, I Glenn Hoddle worked for me. He was a very talented, worked with me, a very talented football player.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  You know, I think probably in his time and natural football player, Bobby Moore was incredibly able. Probably one of the best defenders ever.

• 1:22:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Bobby Moore is the one that Pelé Pelé called them one of the greatest defenders ever. I think Pelé complimented him on his.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  He sort of read the game, Patrick. He read the game. He was brilliant.

• 1:22:20Patrick Bet-David?

  He was the captain of the nineteen nineteen sixty six team, I think.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  He was. He was. Yeah. Tragically, he died of cancer far too young. But he was a great player. I mean, you know, I worked with a lot of those guys. I worked with Terry Cooper, who played at left back. He was my scout in Europe.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  You know, I was a reasonably able hockey player in my time, even though I did play football. The media say I'm a hockey. I was a hockey playing chairman, but I actually did play football as well at school.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  But look, I mean, the best day of my life was getting to the cup final in two thousand and three, where we played Arsenal at the Millennium Stadium. We actually lost one nil, but you'd think from the response of our supporters, we'd we'd won the cup. But it was a great day out, and I'll never forget it. It was probably probably one of the best days of my life.

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Unbelievable. By the way, have you seen Ted Lasso yet or not yet? The show?

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  I have, I've watched Ted Lasso, would you believe it? While I was having, while I was having my teeth, I had, I had an abscess under one of my teeth and the root, they couldn't find the, there happened to be a fourth root in one of my teeth. God, God knows why I've got fangs with four, four roots on, I'm not sure. But anyway, they found it in the end, but I, it took them many hours of drilling and I was watching Ted Lasso while I was digging under the drill. But I, it was a very entertaining program, wasn't it?

• 1:23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it was very. Anyways, Rupert, thank you for your time. Really enjoyed talking to you. I, I look forward to the next time you're in the States. Hopefully we'll be able to break bread.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Well, I'm coming to the States fairly soon. If you come to London, you know, let me know and I would be delighted to take you out to my club for dinner and, and look after you. That, that would be great. So let me know when you're here.

• 1:24:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I will, I will be coming. I look forward to it. Thank you so much for your time.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  Thanks, thanks, Patrick.

• 1:24:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Take care. Bye bye.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

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