The New BMW 3 Series! AMG GT Prototype Fire! Fuel Economy Rollback?

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  I'm Nick.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  I'm Ryan.

• 0:40Doug DeMuro?

  And there's a lot to talk about, starting with the news, and specifically, the new BMW 3 Series. BMW has revealed the next-generation 273 Series, based on the Neuer Klasse, which was that concept car that they had showed us a couple of years ago.

• 0:55Speaker 03

  Say it again?

• 0:56Doug DeMuro?

  Neuer Klasse. Now they're here, they're real. The new 3 Series is coming out. There's a turbo-four-cylinder, 255-horsepower. There's a 430-horse turbo straight-six. It's like a 3 Series that we all know and love. There's a drift mode. It's actually not, on paper, it's not tremendously different than the existing car, but it does look a lot different than the existing car. Nick, your thoughts?

• 1:21Speaker 02

  I like it. We talked about the styling a few weeks ago and how it has maybe a little bit of a Trans Am vibe in the beginning, but the 3 Series has always taken some bolder takes. You know, like, each redesign, everyone reacts really strongly, "Oh, my gosh, I can't believe it looks like that." And then we normalize it, and then by the end of the cycle, we're like, "Man, that looks good." I'll say the only part of it that I'm struggling with a little bit is the rear end.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Yours is a little weird.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  But I think that'll also be like the bangle butts. Like, we kind of get used to that. I think sedans are kind of a boring space, so you got to do something to make it interesting.

• 1:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that's true. And I think the 3 Series especially, like, they've refined the car so much over the years. There's not a lot of ways to go. I mean, they're making a 440-horsepower, straight-six, rear-wheel-drive with a drift mode. You're not going to make a 600-horsepower. You know, you have an electric version to do that kind of stuff. Like, you got to do something that, like, flashes a little bit, like the new X3.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  And lord knows they couldn't have made the grills any bigger. So they had to kind of like shrink them down and start all over, you know? It's like, all right, the next gen, I bet those grills get a little bigger and a little bigger, then all of a sudden, they're the whole front end, and then they restart.

• 2:26Doug DeMuro?

  They also announced more details about the new electric version, which is called the i3, which to me seems very appealing. I actually like the look of the i3 a little bit more than I like the look of the regular car. The i3 is a little bit more futuristic. It's a little bit different. To me, it actually looks a little bit more athletic.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  I'm surprised you can tell them apart.

• 2:44Doug DeMuro?

  The side, you can really tell. You can see that there's sort of a, there's like a lower component here that like, the i3 just seems a little smaller, a little snuggier, a little bit more spry.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:55Doug DeMuro?

  This car, in order to fit an engine and a driveline and all that, they weren't able to do it quite. I think the i3 looks really cool.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  I think the i3 looks better.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  I think it looks better, too.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  And so many brands now have like had a separate sedan that's like a totally different styling and name. Like, I like that this is, like, you really, most people will not be able to tell them apart versus like, "Oh, I have to have a Model 3 or something that's distinctly EV." Like, you can kind of have your cake or eat it too, regardless of whether you want gas or EV.

• 3:21Doug DeMuro?

  And bad naming, we're going to get to Volkswagen in a minute, but bad naming continues to fall all over the EV space. But I agree, not here. There's a 3 Series, there's an i3. They're relatively similar. You pick your poison. The i3 that's going to debut initially is going to have all-wheel-drive, 465-horsepower, give or take. So there's a 3 Series, there's an i3, you can pick. BMW is saying 470 miles on a single charge, that that would be in the European driving cycle, which is different from the US. The US is going to be a lot less, but it's still going to be probably pretty significant. If they can, if they can beat 350 or 375 miles on a charge in the US cycle, that would be unbelievable. It means BMW has really kind of cracked the code on EVs. The iX3 also being tremendously appealing.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  They kind of have to, because the Tesla gets all that range for so much less money, and they want to make a better car. Obviously, build quality is better. It looks a lot better.

• 4:08Doug DeMuro?

  It looks better, yep.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  It is kind of funny that there's the Model 3 and the 3 Series, and they're both in the same segment, and now we'll have EV-only options.

• 4:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and now there's finally like a real answer to that. Because BMW had had hybrid 3 Series before. There had been half-hearted attempts at electric 3 Series. Now there's like a real dedicated model with real, like, a whole development behind it that I think is going to be pretty appealing.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  I am curious in my somewhat affluent, somewhat left-leaning neighborhood, if all the folks with the, "I bought this before Elon went crazy" Model 3s are suddenly driving these.

• 4:38Doug DeMuro?

  Are going to switch to these, maybe. I mean, won't they switch to SUVs? The iX3 is also tremendously appealing, the new electric version.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Well, you know, if those people wanted something other than a Model 3, they would just get the current i4. In my garage at home in San Diego, there's seven i4s in that same row of charging. I have my couple Model 3s, couple Model Ys, but majority i4s because everybody took advantage of that lease deal.

• 5:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. i4 is also a very appealing car. I think it looks nice. I think it doesn't look like over-the-top, stupid EV. It's like very appealing. And I think that's honestly similar to what they've done here. Obviously, a new 3 Series redesign in general is a huge deal. Do you remember when E90 came out?

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Yep, oh, yeah.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  Unbelievable controversy.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:19Doug DeMuro?

  And now it's like, desired.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  And I was on that train, like, "Oh, my gosh, are they like making fun of their customers?"

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  It was, I will never forget how controversial that car was. And now people are like, "The E90 was the best." "Oh, the E90."

• 5:32Speaker 02

  And I'm totally, I'm on that train, too. I love the E90 now. I'm so into it.

• 5:37Doug DeMuro?

  After all these years, I never warmed up to it.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Really?

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. I never, the M3s all look good. I never warmed up to the regular E90.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  It's like a blue Ford GT05. It's like hard to warm up to it.

• 5:50Doug DeMuro?

  You just never really get there. No, go to Cars and Bids. We sell these things. Go to CarsAndBids.com. E90. There's a lot of M3s, they look good. The LCI cars look OK, too. Type in 2006 E90. Like, when it first hit. Like, this was, this was the very start. Remember these wheels? It's just this car never grew on me.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  I think it looks great.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  I think it looks great now, but I agree. At the time, I had my pitchfork out.

• 6:19Doug DeMuro?

  People were so mad.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  I was, I was among them. I thought that was truly heinous.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Come on, 335D?

• 6:27Doug DeMuro?

  335D is the one you're talking about.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  What else do you need?

• 6:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they were all tipped.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  But I do think this new redesign, the Neuer Klasse, as you would say.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  That's not what I would say.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Other than maybe the rear end.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, right?

• 6:40Doug DeMuro?

  And not Klasse, but, you know.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think anyone's going to take, there's no pitchforks coming out for this. I agree that you can critique it. You can say, "Okay, it's not my gem," but like, it is not quite as offensive as like some of the changes they've made in the past.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  Also, I think that people, even the pitchfork people have realized that like with sedans, you're lucky you have this car. You're lucky this car is still on sale. BMW could have been like, "We're going to make an 11th SUV. We're done. Peace." But like, they're still doing a rear-wheel-drive with drift mode, straight-six, 3 Series. Pretty cool.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  You know why I think the E90 was so jarring, though? Was that the E46 is one of the most beautiful sedans, classically beautiful.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  But it looks old. Every time a manufacturer comes out with a new design philosophy for their lineup, they always get pushed back. You look at the, speaking of offensive, the Cybertruck, the mindset behind it was, "This is what cars should look like, or we thought they would look like in 2030, when we were 1950 or 1960." And they went way too far off the spectrum, but they're basically modernizing the BMW for the next 15, 20 years.

• 7:38Doug DeMuro?

  Indeed. And the E90 was that. It was Chris Bangle, and it was the beginning of that whole thing. All right, what's our next news story? This is a big one. Our next one is a fire. We, Nick, I want to hear your thoughts on this, since you are the owner of a fire-damaged Mercedes sports car.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  You know, they do that. I'm guessing like mine, the owner had tried to jump-start it and threw a little too much voltage at it. No, it was at the Nürburgring. They were doing testing and obviously trying to keep a low profile here with the camouflage. And the thing, it caught on fire in the rear wheel area. No news sources have been able to confirm. Was it the brakes overheating? Was it a?

• 8:14Speaker 03

  No. If you look at the, there's like a progression of photos of the side of this car on track, which first off, it only did a mile and a half on track, which is not a lot. But side eggs in the exhaust. It's definitely in front of the rear wheel. My theory, don't quote me on this, is that the camouflage wrap maybe got a little too close to the exhaust. I can't think of anything else. I mean, surely, the Germans would think ahead.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  It was a pretty gnarly fire. Like, it's not just like a little singe and they had to do that. Like, dudes came out with like real fire extinguishers, and the flames were getting pretty big.

• 8:41Doug DeMuro?

  They apparently drove it back to, apparently Mercedes-Benz and maybe the other manufacturers have like buildings within, you know, and like the hillside between the, you know, inside the Nürburgring. And they drove it all the way back there on fire, because the last thing they want is, you know, the whole point, they're doing testing, but the car's camouflage. They don't really want it to get out there, and of course, it's very embarrassing.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  It ended up being like a Barbra Streisand effect, where now all we can do is talk about it catching on fire versus otherwise, testing at the ring would have been a non-story.

• 9:08Doug DeMuro?

  I do have to say, I am tremendously excited for this car.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 9:11Doug DeMuro?

  The current, the AMG GT, current one, is a little bit of a letdown. I think everybody agrees with that. They merged it with the SL. It is not the sports car that the previous one was. You disagree with this?

• 9:24Speaker 02

  I see your point, however. I think they priced it in a way that was like pretty fair and gives you like a great value. I think it looks good. Like, I think they're just, they were no longer trying to create like a Halo car. They were trying to create like the first-gen R8, like an attainable, everyday supercar, rather than a like, flat-out, 10 tenths, crazy hypercar. I mean, look, I can see your point in that it's watered down. Like, we got the SLR, then each step down, the SLS, the AMG GT, GT Pro, like.

• 9:54Doug DeMuro?

  And now, and now we're at the lowest of low, because it's, my problem with it is it's been merged with the SL. It's the SL coupe, and the SL is this convertible. They're the same car. They're literally the same car, it's a convertible. So like, you know, this was a super. But, I mean, I mentioned I'm excited for this one, because the previous gen of AMG GT Black Series was an insane car. Just like unbelievably.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  And that's what I love. Black Series isn't just like they turn the knob up 10%. They go crazy. And Mercedes doesn't really have a great sense of humor or like a huge imagination, generally speaking. They play it pretty safe. And then Black Series is just like, "Man, they're doing some crazy stuff back there."

• 10:30Doug DeMuro?

  And remember, the previous body set the lap record for a production car at the Nürburgring, and it may still have that. I don't remember. Maybe ZR1X has it now. I don't know. But it's up there. It was like one of the very fastest cars ever to go around. And this one will be, too, once they put the fire out.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Remember the SL65 Black Series?

• 10:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  That thing looked like, like it made the cars at SEMA look kind of mild and like.

• 10:49Doug DeMuro?

  You remember that?

• 10:50Speaker 03

  I was there, yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Massive wide body.

• 10:52Doug DeMuro?

  It had a roof.

• 10:55Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember that? The regular SL didn't have a roof. And then they made a black series with a roof.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  You gotta have a roof.

• 11:01Doug DeMuro?

  To make a performance car, one would argue, you know, there was an SLK black series.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:05Doug DeMuro?

  Roofless.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Pretty rare.

• 11:07Doug DeMuro?

  Actually, that may have also been a coupe. I don't remember. It wasn't sold in the state.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  I think the real news story here, I mean, cars catch on fire. It's no big deal. It doesn't affect the value at all. When you're operating in this space, things happen. However, we're gonna get another black series. Based on that wing and that rear diffuser alone, it's gonna be hot. Pun intended, and we're here for it.

• 11:26Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, are you, you ever think about doing a black series collection?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  I don't think I have the funds. Black series bring big money, man.

• 11:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that like a million bucks would buy you all of them.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  I don't have.

• 11:36Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe even half a million.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  I did pay off my credit card last month, which I'm very proud of. I was only three days late on it, but I'm a little far off from collecting them all. I will say the CLK 63 black series is still a phenomenal value, and I would absolutely put my butt in that seat.

• 11:51Doug DeMuro?

  Many years ago, many years ago, Nick bought a car, I don't remember what. And he borrowed against his ex, his portfolio of equities to buy the car.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  As you do.

• 12:00Doug DeMuro?

  It was a great move at the time. The interest rates were low. And, but Nick being Nick, he was terrified of this decision. And even though we had all reasoned with him that it was the right way to do it, one night in the middle of the night in a panic, he paid off the entire loan. That's three.

• 12:19Speaker 00

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• 12:49Speaker 02

  Hey, um, cuz he couldn't. Well, it was an adjustable rate, and so I would have had to do it anyways. I just, you know, my religion, we don't believe in debt. And I had to pay it off.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Borrowing against equities, that's.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  It wasn't, it wasn't right to take advantage of these banks and their generous terms. And I felt like I had to help out big capitalism.

• 13:07Doug DeMuro?

  And you did, and thank God for that.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  But, but for real, though, black series and Mercedes, has a Mercedes podcast.

• 13:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  We're stoked on this one. We wish them well in their recovery from the fire. I think they will rebuild.

• 13:20Doug DeMuro?

  What Mercedes would you get if you had to get a Mercedes, Ryan Lopez?

• 13:23Speaker 03

  I'll tell you what I wouldn't get, and it's that new EV thing. Cause I saw one last night in Little Italy with all the grill lit up and the weird taillights, like.

• 13:30Doug DeMuro?

  What? You saw one of those?

• 13:31Speaker 02

  I don't think they're on sale.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  I saw, I saw it last night. I swear to God.

• 13:35Doug DeMuro?

  Going on sale.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  I swear to God, I saw one of those new.

• 13:37Doug DeMuro?

  Did you maybe see a picture of one?

• 13:40Speaker 03

  No, I was there.

• 13:41Doug DeMuro?

  Thought.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  I was walking across the street to Slice House, and I saw, and I was like, that is horrible.

• 13:47Doug DeMuro?

  Did you maybe dream it? Did you possibly dream it?

• 13:51Speaker 02

  The fact that he was going to Slice House, that detail tells me he's not making this up.

• 13:54Speaker 03

  EQS. I swear to God, it was not an EQS.

• 13:56Doug DeMuro?

  You know what, you know what, Ryan? I, I'm, I certainly, you're right. It's definitely true. It certainly happened.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  You know what? I think, uh, I think, you know, the Mercedes headquarters is just down the street, within 3,000 miles to the east.

• 14:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  It might have been one of those guys.

• 14:12Doug DeMuro?

  It was one of the, it was one of the.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  It was 100% the new one. I saw the taillights. I wish I took a photo, because being right on this podcast would mean more to me than anything. I'll tell you that. I swear to God, I can call up my date last night, and I can say, hey.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  The smoke show.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Do you remember that weird car?

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's funny, I saw, yesterday I saw McLaren F1 on the street from my house. Didn't get a picture.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  I was walking to Papalecco to get a, uh.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  What is the car?

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Brisketto toast.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  What is the car called?

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Actually, the Sultan of Brunei's personal Bentley Dominator.

• 14:43Doug DeMuro?

  Sultan was actually driving the car. He, uh. You're just, now you're just Googling it to like, show yourself what it is. You know what, you can't.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  This was the car. A thousand percent. It was a GLA. A million percent.

• 14:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I don't think that that's what we all thought you were talking about.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. Cause I, all I said was weird EV-looking sedan.

• 15:03Doug DeMuro?

  But you agree, we thought he was talking about that fish-looking one that's like a 500.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  The controversial prototype, yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  No, no, not.

• 15:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so you saw, you saw a mid-level rental car. That's, you know what, Ryan? That's amazing. That is, and you know what? The McLaren F1 I saw.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  You thought I meant this?

• 15:15Doug DeMuro?

  Of course. The McLaren F1 I saw, I take it back, it was actually a 650S.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and mine was a P38.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  To answer your question, any Mercedes, I would do a 500E.

• 15:25Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 15:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think they're super cool. They collab with Porsche.

• 15:28Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't if you drove one.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't meet your heroes.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  You rather enjoyed my E55 when you and I went to Wagon Fest, too.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was fine.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  I could see you in one.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe in like 30 years.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're gonna have a lot of children one day.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Hopefully, only a handful of them.

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  Just head over to steck-usa dot com slash Cars and Bids to find a shop near you and mention code Cars and Bids when you connect with them. I'm thrilled to bring this to you guys, and I can't wait to see those protected cars hitting the auction block. Next news story, please. Next news story is a big one. Fuel economy rollback. This is the kind of story that Filippo would have sunk his teeth into. So the fuel economy standards under Biden had automakers needing to get to a corporate average of 50 miles per gallon by 2031. 50.4. That's a significant number.

• 18:31Doug DeMuro?

  The Trump administration has, it's been rolled back to 34.9 miles per gallon by 2031, which generally speaking is already been achieved. Not quite, but they're really, really, really close. Apparently, last year or two years ago, they basically got there. They were, the auto industry was within a half point or a point. So it's gonna happen. No prob. What do you think about the rolling back of fuel efficiency?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  So, I mean, there's two arguments, right? So the, the more environmentally minded would say, oh, this is terrible, global warming. Like, you're rolling back, you know, the progress we were making. The other side would say, also justifying and looking at the more working class and saying, these were making cars more expensive, because it was a punitive and difficult standard to hit. And so therefore, auto manufacturers had to spend a lot more to make them more compliant and add more things.

• 19:25Doug DeMuro?

  This is a difficult one for the liberals.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  The liberals, the liberals are lose-lose here. Either they've made the cars too expensive and the working man can't afford them, or they've destroyed the environment and made the planet a hospital.

• 19:35Doug DeMuro?

  The liberals, the party of both the environment and the working man, is tough.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:39Doug DeMuro?

  Now thankfully, Ryan Lopez from Alabama, he only thinks one way.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  V8s.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 19:49Doug DeMuro?

  Did you know that he's from Alabama?

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Everybody knows. Yeah. Everybody knows.

• 19:53Doug DeMuro?

  Born and raised in the heart of Dixie.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  In the heart of Dixie, but Huntsville, Alabama barely counts as Alabama. There's more rocket scientists and PhDs per capita than pretty much anywhere in the country.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  What are you implying about the rest of Alabama?

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Oh, have you seen the movie Sweet Home Alabama?

• 20:07Speaker 02

  I know the song.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. Well, I, whenever I said I was from Alabama, people would say, oh, and I would say, I don't really understand it. Then I watched Sweet Home Alabama. We can ignore all the civil rights stuff that happened in Alabama in the 60s, but the movie, I think, being at the forefront of pop culture, popular movie, people have seen it. And then I said, oh, this is why people think Alabama.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  If it makes you feel any better, my hometown is named after Jerry Sandusky.

• 20:31Speaker 03

  Oh, Sandusky, Ohio.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not actually named after him, but it required some explanation for a while.

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  When I think of Alabama, I think of green, verdant green fields.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:43Doug DeMuro?

  And big old trees.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  But I've spent time in Alabama.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  I think of Roll Tide.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  College football, baby.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yep. But no, I, I think.

• 20:51Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't you an Auburn man?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  I am an Auburn man.

• 20:52Doug DeMuro?

  You just gave him, you just, you just, he said Roll Tide.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  Because that's all they know. If they don't know about Alabama, they say Roll Tide. You just have to give it to them.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  We wake up and we think of Nick Saban. First thing we wake up.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, our Lord and Savior.

• 21:03Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't, he's an Auburn man. You think of Nick Saban.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  I think of Cam.

• 21:07Doug DeMuro?

  He's a war eagle.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Ooh, that's a cool name.

• 21:11Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, um, anyway, fuel economy fans rolled back.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  What I don't understand, and you maybe can mansplain to me, how do EVs factor into the average?

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  They do.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Because they're technically like infinite, right? So if you're doing an average with an infinite miles per gallon.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Not only do they factor into the average, if you're, if you're an auto manufacturer and you can't meet the criteria, you can purchase credits from other EV manufacturers.

• 21:30Doug DeMuro?

  Which I think is over now.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Which is over.

• 21:32Doug DeMuro?

  Because in theory, they don't need it.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  But if you have like one EV, shouldn't that give you like an infinite miles per gallon and therefore your average is whatever you want it to be?

• 21:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, because EVs have, um, EVs have something called MPGE, this miles per gallon equivalent.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:49Doug DeMuro?

  And I think that's how they do it because it says here, the EPA defines a certain amount of electricity usage as having the same energy content as a certain amount of gallon of gasoline.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 21:58Doug DeMuro?

  So that's how it's done. And I guess that must be how they factor it.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  And the standard, is it done across the entire portfolio of brands? Or does like Lamborghini have to hit it?

• 22:05Doug DeMuro?

  I don't remember, and it doesn't matter anymore, am I right?

• 22:09Doug DeMuro?

  Where are you on this? As a, as a man of political persuasions?

• 22:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:14Doug DeMuro?

  Where are you on this?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I, you've got to go easy on him with that. People think, people walk up to him and they start talking to him about politics.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:23Speaker 02

  I don't like labels, you know? Uh, I think, as someone who owns a plug-in hybrid, I've been three cars that get about 10 miles per gallon on average otherwise. I, but I like the plug-in component.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  So I, I don't know. I, I don't, I, I get both sides of this one. I think it's tricky. I, I think you don't want to force the change too quickly because the, the concern that it does drive up prices and get rid of cars that we love.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  There's a line from the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, our Lord and Savior, of course, where he called the old standards an illegal mandate that forced automakers to build EVs families didn't want that made the roads less safe.

• 22:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think that, as usual, the Trump administration's language there is a little bit blasphemy. However, I don't disagree with his overall point. EV sales, we all saw what happened to EV sales once the government stopped subsidizing them. Um, I'm not necessarily sure that stopping subsidizing EV sales was the right move, but I do think that natural demand for EVs was not necessarily there. And this efficiency mandate was going to be hard to meet, given that people were not particularly excited about these cars in the first place.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  And an unpopular take for me would be, I'm a bigger fan of putting a higher tax on gas if you want to disincentivize gas vehicles.

• 23:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  It's a usage-based tax.

• 23:34Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  And you and I, who want to drive our eight mile per gallon V12s, we can decide, all right, I'm going to pay an extra dollar a gallon because I want that thrill. And then other people will then calculate, say, okay, an EV makes more sense because the cost of gas is too high.

• 23:45Doug DeMuro?

  What about the Great American Road Trip, though? What about when we woke up in Auburn, Alabama, and we wanted to drive to Houston, Texas for the damn Houston Bowl?

• 23:53Speaker 03

  The rodeo, the rodeo.

• 23:54Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, the rodeo.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  It's in March, it's a week long, it's a great time.

• 23:57Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  I saw Blake Shelton there.

• 23:58Doug DeMuro?

  We did do this. Oh my God. All of this happened. But we couldn't do it in an EV, could we?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Oh, you could do it, but I will say, I've done that drive with my father and we drove the Mississippi and it was very sketchy and there was no gas stations and there sure as hell wasn't any EV chargers.

• 24:11Doug DeMuro?

  Um, he's, a guy from Alabama is calling Mississippi sketchy. That's how you know Mississippi is sketchy.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  I think it is the sketchiest state. It was voted the sketchiest state.

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Um, sketchy.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  They were voted?

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Highest crime.

• 24:24Doug DeMuro?

  Sketchiest state.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Like, you're talking, is it not Florida just by default?

• 24:30Speaker 03

  Right. There are Jupiter, Florida, all the golfers live there.

• 24:33Doug DeMuro?

  But like, it's, even the people who are not sketchy are sketchy. Like, they're, everybody in Florida has an angle. You know what I mean?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Have you been to Orlando recently?

• 24:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and everybody in Orlando has an angle. Everybody in Orlando is currently getting away with something.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  What about Tallahassee?

• 24:48Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe less so because there's like government there. You got to assume some people are on the up and up, although I no longer feel that way about governments. I don't know. The, the, the plate Gainesville is a, is a nice.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Of course, how could we forget Gainesville?

• 25:01Doug DeMuro?

  Gainesville. You hate Gainesville because they were.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  I'm more of a St. Augustine guy myself.

• 25:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there's an old, nice old city with old buildings and stuff.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  The Spanish fort.

• 25:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Very nice.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  We like that kind of stuff. Nick, you know all about Florida.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, and forts.

• 25:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nick texted us, Nick went to Florida like a year ago. He texted us, he's like, I get why people move here. I might move here.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  Were you Naples? Where were you?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were in Naples.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  It all gets all coming together.

• 25:21Doug DeMuro?

  He's a Midwesterner. Of course he goes to Naples. He's like, I'm in heaven. Oh my God.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  It's funny, my dad lives on the other coast in Stewart and then my mom lives in Naples and they both claim that their coast is better. And they're like, oh, there's too many East Coasters on the, on the East Coast. We don't like that. We like the Gulf side better.

• 25:36Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that is true. The, the people, the Midwesterners who like a slower pace, maybe things explained to them a bit more, they prefer the Gulf side.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:44Doug DeMuro?

  And then the East Coasters prefer the East Coast, like getting hit with the hurt.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  I just appreciate everyone wears their collegiate football garb. And so you know exactly where they're from at all times.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Yep. They wear it, it's on their cars.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's funny that people in Florida, they're, they are so desperate to, to be proud of the roots of the place that they cannot stand anymore.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 26:04Doug DeMuro?

  They're all like, I would never go back to Buffalo, but I really love Buffalo. Uh, give us our next news story, please. Speaking of a guy who went from, from New York to Florida.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:13Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Volkswagen ID Tiguan. Folks, Volkswagen has announced, and, and, and we are not excited about this. I think we, I think I speak for us all.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Felipe would be excited about this.

• 26:22Doug DeMuro?

  I don't even know if Felipe would be.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Competition to him now.

• 26:24Doug DeMuro?

  The ID4 is going to be replaced by the ID Tiguan. So Volkswagen has still decided that they're going to commit to putting ID in front of the name of the car to signify that it is electric.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:38Doug DeMuro?

  So even though there's no longer ID3, ID4, ID5, clearly they're going away from that, they're going ID Tiguan. So there's going to be a regular Tiguan, no ID required, and there's going to be an ID Tiguan.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, BMW already took the little i, so they had to do something different.

• 26:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I mean, they could have just not. They could just call it the Tiguan or the Tiguan EV, or name it something else. I mean, Tiguan is a horrible name. They couldn't name anything else.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  What does Tiguan even mean?

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's the German word for tiger combined with the German word for iguana, which is Leguan.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Tiguan.

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  Tiguan.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Tiguan.

• 27:17Doug DeMuro?

  Volkswagen's names are generally all horrible.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  I still can't spell Tureg, and we owned one for three years. I still cannot spell the name right.

• 27:23Doug DeMuro?

  Tureg?

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Tureg, I was going to say, Volkswagen had the Suraco, you know, that was a.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've always been messing with it.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Whatever the hell that means.

• 27:30Doug DeMuro?

  This car, the electric Tiguan, will come to the United States. And they say it shares nothing with the ID4, although if you look at it, it shares at least one thing with the ID4, which is that it's unattractive. Um.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  I don't think that's bad at all, although the.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  All right, well then it's bland.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Camouflage.

• 27:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's bland.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. But don't you kind of, I mean, Volkswagens are always a little bit, you know, boring, other than the ID Buzz, which, let's be honest, didn't work out so well for them.

• 27:55Doug DeMuro?

  The, the ID Buzz is my greatest sadness.

• 27:57Speaker 03

  I know.

• 27:58Doug DeMuro?

  The ID Buzz is the best car on sale. And, uh, no one wants it. And even at heavily discounted rates, no one wants it.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  They're down to 40s now, right?

• 28:06Doug DeMuro?

  You could buy one tomorrow for 37 if you really wanted to. If you were doing, willing to do some real legwork, you could buy one for 37.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  I gotta send Nick and Nettie yell at the salesman.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  My wife and I have had some serious talk about them, but they're, they're, they're, it's just, there's hard to find used ones with any kind of miles. Like, the most used one you can find is 9,000 miles.

• 28:23Doug DeMuro?

  They were all bought as novelty cars.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:25Doug DeMuro?

  Which is a shame because they're reasonably good family cars and they are so cool.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  What's funny is you can find ones too for like 100 asking. They have the pop-up top for their campers, which I, I think I'm super into, but not at 100.

• 28:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a pop-up top on a car that goes 200 miles.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:42Doug DeMuro?

  You pop that top, you can, you drive from San Diego to North County San Diego. You drive from Huntsville to Birmingham.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, hour and a half, yeah, about, roughly.

• 28:51Doug DeMuro?

  That's all you get.

• 28:52Speaker 03

  And you get to go to Buc-E's as well, because there's a Buc-E's on the way.

• 28:55Doug DeMuro?

  You get to go to a Buc-E's.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  Are you a Buc-E's man?

• 28:57Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Have you been to Buc-E's?

• 28:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's just, I don't understand it. It's too much. When I'm on a road trip, this is what I don't understand about Buc-E's. And I'm different from a lot of people about this.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, everybody loves Buc-E's.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  When I'm on a road trip, I ain't like trying to go to a mall. I'm trying to get there. You know, two years ago, I drove from Manhattan to Oklahoma in a day with my dog. Okay? I'm not stopping at Buc-E's. I'm trying to get to a place.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Were you alone with Noodle?

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Okay, well, your kids would love Buc-E's.

• 29:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but like, when are my kids going to be with me in rural Oklahoma? All right? It ain't happening. I'm not trying to go to Buc-E's on a road trip. I'm trying to drive.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  You don't want a brisket sandwich mid-road trip?

• 29:35Doug DeMuro?

  No. It's insane. I want to get somewhere. The, the, it worked, Buc-E's works perfectly in the kind of like mid-south because no one there is in a hurry. Like, in Oklahoma, Alabama, West Tennessee, it's perfect.

• 29:52Speaker 03

  Very different climates, very different.

• 29:54Doug DeMuro?

  But the type of people is the same. No one is in a rush.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:58Doug DeMuro?

  No one. So they're, they're driving along, they gotta, they gotta get to Memphis by sundown. They're like, hey, there's a Buc-E's. Let's spend three hours walking the aisles.

• 30:07Speaker 03

  I'm, uh, not ashamed to say I've been to probably 15 Buc-E's.

• 30:11Doug DeMuro?

  You're like a Buc-E's collector.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do have the fridge magnets.

• 30:13Doug DeMuro?

  And you know what? I think that all the people here would agree, you are also not in a rush.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  I'm taking my time. I'm doing it right.

• 30:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Life is worth living one day at a time.

• 30:23Doug DeMuro?

  One buckies at a time. Anyway, I'll tell you what you won't see at Buckies is one of these.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Two, two interesting tidbits here before we move on to the next story. It goes from ID point four or dot four, right? All one word. They're adding a space. So it's ID dot space Tiguan, which is even dumber.

• 30:40Doug DeMuro?

  Cause of the buzz is the same way.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  And then Car and Driver reports using this exact photo. Well, we're told the first electric Tiguan will debut a completely new design, which is camouflaged in the photos. They felt it was important to clarify that this is indeed camouflage.

• 30:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they don't want people thinking that this is, that it's going to be able, available in this livery. We all know they're going to be white.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:02Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  There may be some other changes before it hits production too.

• 31:05Doug DeMuro?

  I'm excited for this in the way that I'm excited for a new, new socks.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  You know, I saw ID fours everywhere when they first.

• 31:11Doug DeMuro?

  Because they're free. There was a free lease deal. The guy down my street bought one for his teenage daughter when she turned 16. And I think it's insane to get a teenager a new car, but then I was looking at the numbers and it was like, you know, this is like 165 a month or something. Nothing down. It's not such a bad idea.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  And if they wreck it, you're not going to be too upset.

• 31:28Doug DeMuro?

  And it's safe. It's like a modern safe. It's slow as hell. The ID four was incredibly slow. So when you have kids, Ryan Lopez, consider that.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  ID four.

• 31:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  No, they're gonna, they're gonna get Civics.

• 31:38Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna get Civics.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  EG Civics. Yeah.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  Build character.

• 31:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Nice. Next slide, please. Getting his kids Civics.

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• 33:14Doug DeMuro?

  Range Rover Sport Electric is, is finally been announced. They announced that they were gonna do this. Uh, and now they've announced that they have done it. Uh, 542 horsepower, just like the full size.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 33:24Doug DeMuro?

  So it's the same powertrain, except in the scaled down vehicle. Does this have some appeal to Nicky Lube over here? A Land Rover enthusiast?

• 33:32Speaker 02

  I, I think they, again, much like the three series and some of the other models we talked about, I like when they don't change much. They keep the gas version and the EV version. They look largely the same. In this case, they changed so little, like even the total horsepower is relatively the same. The 0-6 is about the same. I think this will have a lower center of gravity and might actually handle better. It'll have like a more instant torque curve. You could argue that this, I, I mean, you'll have to drive them back to back, but like, this will probably drive as nice as the gas one. And you're simply just picking whichever one you like better rather than having to make a compromise.

• 34:03Doug DeMuro?

  Although the G-Wagon has shown us that what people like better is the gas.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  I'm shocked.

• 34:08Doug DeMuro?

  Even when given the opportunity to buy an electric one that performs the same or better, it's obviously cheaper to own, cheaper to buy in the case of the G, because they're heavily discounted. People are still choosing the gas.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  I'm still surprised by that. However, I think they were not wrong just early. Like I think as consumers continue to get warm up to EVs more and more, that, that, that, that will hit a tipping point and people will prefer the EVs. That just hasn't happened yet.

• 34:32Doug DeMuro?

  330 miles of range. I mean, it's an appealing car in that segment. Uh, I don't personally understand why, if I'm a buyer of one of these, I wouldn't buy the EV one. It's going to be way more available and heavily discounted. No one takes these on road trips.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  And you don't have to worry about blowing your head gaskets, which in Land Rover world is everything.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  I'm surprised that the Mercedes G-Wagon EV is not doing so well because it's a luxury car. It's smooth. It's fast.

• 34:54Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's doing fine. I just think that, you know, it's incentivized and the regular one isn't. And I think that if they could wind back the clock, given that there's somewhat production constraint on that car, I'm not sure that they would have committed to an EV instead of other body styles such as more Cabriolets. Am I right?

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Those are coming soon, baby.

• 35:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  Supposedly.

• 35:13Doug DeMuro?

  A flatbed truck would be cool. Not like a steak bed.

• 35:16Speaker 03

  Like a Unimog thing?

• 35:18Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I would leave it up to them.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Made in conjunction with Stellantis here in the States, maybe?

• 35:23Doug DeMuro?

  Like the, like the Land Rovers?

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:25Doug DeMuro?

  One generation of those. Hey, are you pumped for my Range Rover 392?

• 35:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 35:28Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Next slide, please. Speaking of EVs, the Lexus TZ. Now this is an interesting one because there's some, there's some drama to this vehicle. It doesn't look like there would be drama to this since it's an electric three row Lexus SUV. However, I was invited to go on the Highlander EV launch, which is the Toyota version, which was supposed to be two months ago. And like a week before the launch, we all got emails like, we're canceling the launch. We're delaying the car.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  In Clement weather?

• 36:00Doug DeMuro?

  No, we'll get to that in a minute. Uh, we're canceling the launch. We're delaying the car. That was a big story.

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  Cause they didn't say exactly what happened there. This comes out, they've now announced the final pricing and range numbers for this. And, uh, they had promised that the, the 450E version of this would have 402 horsepower. They have confirmed the production model will have 308 horsepower. Now, that's a respectable number. No one in the EV space is going to care about the difference between those two figures. However, there is clearly something going on here that they are not able to develop this car like they had planned, on the timeline they had planned and in, with the capabilities they had promised.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  At the price they promised too, because there will be a 400 horsepower variant.

• 36:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  However, you gotta pay up and get the next trim level up.

• 36:47Doug DeMuro?

  I wonder what's going on. Regardless, $64,000, three row, this is going to be a hit. I have a suspicion. This is going to sell to the same people who are currently buying the TX, which has been, which has been a reasonably successful car. And the Grand Highlander, it's just sort of a luxury version of that. This is the kind of thing I would assume would appeal to people like, like yourself.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  I feel like with all EVs, they kind of stretch when they announce like this is going to have this much range. It's going to have this much power.

• 37:10Doug DeMuro?

  Usually Toyota and Lexus, especially by the time they have announced a production car,

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:15Doug DeMuro?

  have it buttoned down. And it's unusual to see this level of change come so late in a models like about to go on sales cycle.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:23Doug DeMuro?

  Given how long automotive development cycles take and how much time is spent on marketing and developing brochures and, you know, all this stuff like this car is bigger than this, better than that. They have other websites set up. To then walk back horsepower within a few months of launch is an interesting surprise.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  But the horsepower for me is not the main thing with an EV. It's range.

• 37:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  And the premium is $64,000 and you get around 250 miles of range, which is pitiful for an EV, especially at that price point.

• 37:48Doug DeMuro?

  253 miles per range is, uh, miles of range is a tough situation there, isn't it?

• 37:54Speaker 03

  It's a lot of money for not, what do they say? We said, uh, not a lot of money, not a lot of torque or something like that. This is not a lot of money and not a lot of range.

• 38:01Doug DeMuro?

  There are versions that have more. They say the top of the line one is $81,000, but has only 279 miles of range. There is a 350, 15 mile range version for $72,000 and that's, that's going to be the seller of the.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  The premium touring model. Yeah.

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  The premium touring. You got the TZ lineup all.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Very nice.

• 38:19Doug DeMuro?

  All up in.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  I think the luxury one is going to have the higher horsepower number and of course less range. Like you have the Model T Performance, fastest, highest horsepower, least range.

• 38:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Um, actually the base has the least range at that two, that 250 number. The, the top version is close. Nick, um, this, this looks a lot better than the Grand Highlander. It all, or the Highlander EV. It also looks a lot better than the Kia Sorento. Any thoughts on that?

• 38:43Speaker 02

  I agree, but at 80 grand, I'm, I'm good. I'm good having a slightly uglier car.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  But it's going to lease and remember it can make V10 sounds. Do you remember that?

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  So you're going to be able to drive this around and go.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  It, it is good looking. I, I totally, I agree with Ryan that a sub 300 mile total range is going to be difficult for first time EV buyers to wrap their head around and even existing EV buyers.

• 39:06Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota just cannot get this correct. Like the BZ4X was such a great example. And now that car's been updated and it's better now, but like, Toyota's just having some sort of EV adoption issue where I think they want the cars. I think Toyota's problem is they want the cars to be reliable, like they're gas cars. But EV buyers, Tesla has proven EV buyers aren't that interested in reliability. They just want a car that can like do, like change lanes quickly by itself and things like that. It's kind of funny to see these different approaches to EVs.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  I think Ryan's right. Like, I think everyone would forgive and not even care that the horsepower was less than they thought. If the range was good, but it's a double whammy. Okay. It's down on power and the range is nothing to write home about. Then, and it's not cheap. It's not, I, I think it's priced fine, but it becomes a tough sell.

• 39:51Doug DeMuro?

  Are you aware there's an EV9 with 500 horsepower? That's the three row?

• 39:56Speaker 02

  Dang. That'd be cool. Yeah. The tell you ride.

• 39:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's R63 AMG of the modern era.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  I'm here for it.

• 40:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right. Give us our next news story. Next news story is this model, this roadster. Oh my God, guys. We, we cut some roadster clip into a clip and posted it.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:13Doug DeMuro?

  And I just happened to go on Twitter this week for the first time in probably a year and a half. No, no joke. I'd never go on Twitter. Obviously it's, it's not, you know, it's a shadow of what it used to be. It's not fun anymore.

• 40:24Speaker 03

  X.

• 40:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, X. And, uh, I, I just so happened to go on Twitter, X, right when we had, right after we had cut this short, where we were talking about how the roadster is delayed again, and they first announced it nine years ago. And the power numbers and the performance numbers aren't even special anymore. And, um, X is just a bunch of.

• 40:48Doug DeMuro?

  Like guys Tesla lovers.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:52Doug DeMuro?

  Agreeing with each other. They're like Doug is an idiot. He doesn't do anything. And another would be like, yeah, he's so biased. And like, no one is reading this. Like, I happened to read it. I'm sure this has gone on for years. I happened to read it this week, but I was like, oh, my God, these people are screaming into a void. Like, all Twitter is, is people who are into Elon, because it's like.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  They've algorithmically biased that to happen. Like, they've made that the case.

• 41:13Doug DeMuro?

  They post, someone posted this, and people are just freaking out, and they're all spinning each other up, and getting like equally mad amongst each other, with no one is defending me, because there's no, everybody on Twitter is into Elon.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  I would defend you, Doug. I'm gonna log in right now.

• 41:28Doug DeMuro?

  I don't care. These people are so insane. I don't care at all.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  My favorite is the, the whole reason that he bought X was to promote free speech. And then it turned into an echo chamber of Elon supporters, like the opposite of free speech or discourse at all.

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  There's not a single, like, and you gotta assume a lot of them are bots, too. Probably people are spinning each other up with a bot. And that's one of the things I found the most hilarious of the whole thing. Like, people are screaming, and then they get a reply, and they get even madder about the, yeah, yeah, this. And it's like, Steve's not even talking to a person. It's just so, it's such a pathetic thing. So anyway, whenever we say mean things about Tesla, apparently we are still getting dragged on Twitter. Nowhere else, because there's no other safe space for these people.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  And everyone agrees that you're right with what you're saying.

• 42:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, of course. We were talking, we're sitting on the podcast, talking about how it's been delayed nine years, and the zero to sixty time is not even special anymore. Those are objective facts.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  But the reason this is a new story, it's delayed another two weeks, which normally, who cares, right? You've waited nine years, what's another two weeks? However, all the rumors of it being able to either fly, and have jetpacks and all that, and then they're launching it in Texas, where there is supposed to be some other, is making people speculate, is it actually going to fly? Like, it better be good.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  It's not gonna fly. They patented some new rear wing technology, some, something that I saw, and I was like, okay, that's cool. It's gonna have active aero.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  I think in an extra two weeks, let me, you know, put Grok on it, it might fly.

• 42:49Doug DeMuro?

  They're canceled the launch because of weather, because it might fly at the launch.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 42:53Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? Tesla people on Twitter, X, I'm sorry, if it flies, I'll take it all back.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  You'll eat your shorts.

• 43:00Doug DeMuro?

  I'll eat my shorts. However.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  How, how long does it have to fly for?

• 43:02Doug DeMuro?

  That, and also, how long is that delay? You know? We said it could fly in 2026. In 2017, we said it would drive. In 26, we said it would fly. It's never gonna come to market. We're just gonna make promises every few years about what the future car.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Remember what the, was it the Cybertruck where they promised it would have FSD, but you had to get it without it, and then they'll update it later, then it like never came for people. And like, like, I would be a little worried on taking their word for it's going to fly.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Just don't take their word. Someone, an ex Tesla alumni that got laid off.

• 43:29Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean ex? Yeah, but you still have a card, don't you?

• 43:32Speaker 03

  I do have a card.

• 43:33Doug DeMuro?

  You know this about Ryan Lopez, people on the, on the interwebs, wherever we post this? Ryan Lopez is a Tesla enthusiast.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  No, I'm not a Tesla enthusiast.

• 43:43Doug DeMuro?

  You're driving around in a Model 3.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  It's an appliance. It is easy. I have free charging in my apartment, in my parking spot. It is an appliance, and that is it. I have my fun car that has all the right smells, all the right noises.

• 43:54Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you have a fun car that's a daily driver?

• 43:56Speaker 03

  We're gonna talk about that in Talk Cars.

• 43:57Doug DeMuro?

  All right, go to the Talk Cars segment. Why don't you have a fun car that's a daily driver?

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• 44:33Speaker 03

  I thought about it. Actually, um, one of my.

• 44:35Doug DeMuro?

  A buddy of mine drives an E39 M5 every day, and it's a fun car. I don't know if you know.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Buddy, what's his name?

• 44:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, he's a Kenan, I don't know.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  I think I've heard of him.

• 44:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, he, he.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Nice guy. He has good accents.

• 44:46Doug DeMuro?

  From Ohio, he's got an E39 M5. He drives it every day. That's his daily driver. Fun car.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 44:51Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't have to, he doesn't have to sequester himself in an appliance.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Am I sequestering myself?

• 44:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. You're a car enthusiast who's driving around in a Model 3 long range with an Auburn bumper sticker. Don't do this to us.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  It's got a magnet, not a bumper sticker. We're classy.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Those Tesla employees worked really hard to lay down that clear code as, as well as they could.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Oh, it's horrible.

• 45:12Doug DeMuro?

  As well as they could give the constraint they were working with, being outside.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  You'll be happy to know that the Tesla's days are numbered, and.

• 45:20Doug DeMuro?

  How many numbers?

• 45:21Speaker 03

  A few numbers. And the, we'll see. When producer Sean wants to pay me more, it could happen sooner.

• 45:25Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, I wanna talk about this. The lease is coming to an end.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Oh, the lease.

• 45:29Doug DeMuro?

  Next week?

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:30Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, are you aware of this?

• 45:32Speaker 02

  You're running out of time, dude.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  I'm not running out of time.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  You got a week to buy a new car.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  I already, I have.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Most auctions are seven days on the website, unless it ends on a holiday. So you like literally need to bid right now.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  You know, I have, I have another car in order. I did the $250 order fee for another Model 3.

• 45:46Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God. What?

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Butts, butts, butts. I'm also thinking of just letting the order cancel and timeout, and just that being a wash, getting something else.

• 45:55Doug DeMuro?

  There are car enthusiasts.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:58Doug DeMuro?

  Who daily drive fun cars.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  You're looking at your Supra.

• 46:02Doug DeMuro?

  You could daily a Supra.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  When a car enthusiast that the net worth is so much smaller than yours could not daily drive a Supra.

• 46:10Doug DeMuro?

  The, the Supra's gonna be free.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  The Supra's gonna be free.

• 46:13Doug DeMuro?

  It will be free in the end. My 993 Turbo was free.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  You know, I wanna put a peg in the Supra thing, because we have one that I'm pulling up for the market report, that had some miles on it. It was also Renaissance red, and it sold for insane money.

• 46:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know about insane money, but it sold higher than I thought it would. Yeah, I agree.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 46:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's, it's, you know why? You know why? Because it's the greatest car ever.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Okay, but it's better than a 993 Turbo.

• 46:34Doug DeMuro?

  I, I have complicated feelings about the subject.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  I'd like, I'd like to really dive into it.

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  The, the 993 Turbo drives better. There's no question.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 46:43Doug DeMuro?

  It, it, it handles better, it steers better, it's faster, it grips better, everything about it is, is better. I like the way the Supra looks better. I think the Supra is just one of the coolest.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  But the 911 shape is, of course.

• 46:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's iconic, but I like the way the Supra looks better.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  It's, the Supra is a product of our generation, being iconic because of Fast and Furious, you know, 90s poster car.

• 47:04Doug DeMuro?

  The Supra is more usable.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:06Doug DeMuro?

  The 99, a 993 Turbo, owned correctly, requires real effort to maintain. It really does. It's an air-cooled car. It, it, it leaks, it's old, it's old technology. To, to truly do it correctly, you have to put thousands, you have to treat it like an exotic car, which it essentially is.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:21Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and my Supra requires nothing.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  No. The Yamaha engineered 2JZ GTE, best engine.

• 47:26Doug DeMuro?

  Fantastic powertrain.

• 47:27Speaker 03

  Best engine in the world.

• 47:28Doug DeMuro?

  You should, it's so good, and everybody makes fun of it stock. For a daily around town, it is such a good engine. It is always in the right, in the power band. It is fast, you barely have to gear down.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:39Doug DeMuro?

  It is a great, for daily driving. I know I could get more power out of it, and that would be cool, too.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  You could throw a big signal on it and make all the noises, but the little twin turbos, they boot, they spool it right away.

• 47:48Doug DeMuro?

  It works.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  It's a great time.

• 47:49Doug DeMuro?

  The thing that I really never got into with the 993 was like.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Porsche people, I'm gonna be a Porsche guy.

• 47:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And people always get mad at me when I talk about this. Like, who cares what the images? Just drive the car and enjoy it. I just never like, when I would look at the car after I parked it, I was just never like, yes, this is what I want. And when I do that with the Supra, I'm so excited about that car. Every time I walk up to it, like, this is cool. People in the street get so excited. People in the street don't get excited about a 993. When you see a guy with a 993, you're thinking, this guy's got a man bun and a watch collection. You know what I mean? And I don't, that's just, I don't wanna be that kind of, it's, I, I just never like felt like it was me.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:27Doug DeMuro?

  You know? I felt like I was driving a cool car, but I was like pretending. And the.

• 48:32Speaker 03

  LARPing is what the kids call it these days.

• 48:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, LARPing. I was, I was out there LARPing.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Yep. LARPing hard.

• 48:38Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what are your thoughts on this topic?

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 48:41Doug DeMuro?

  Supra, I think.

• 48:42Speaker 03

  No, Nick is a Fast and Furious guy.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  I struggle, I love the 993 in terms of the looks. So I think they're both equally iconic. I think both are expensive as a daily. Um, but I'd go Supra. I mean, like, if I take the financial side out of it, and like, go with your argument that they're both free, assuming you ignore the opportunity cost of the money.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  That I'd probably, I mean, I would wanna do what you did, which is a year, check both of them off the list. And I think anytime you get a new car, you're gonna like that car better for a while. Then by the end of the year, you're like, ah, okay, I've had my fun. So we'll see how you feel about the Supra in six months.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. No, I'll be ready. There's no question I'll be ready. I wanna replace it with an R34 or an Evo 8.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm already looking.

• 49:23Doug DeMuro?

  Bayside Blue.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  Feelers are out. If you have a Bayside Blue R34 GTR.

• 49:27Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, I don't want it yet. I don't want it yet.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  If you have one.

• 49:30Doug DeMuro?

  I have no interest in the car.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  You have one in seven months.

• 49:32Doug DeMuro?

  You will not sell it to me. I will not buy it. If, if nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.

• 49:37Speaker 03

  I wanna put this feeler out there, because you talk about cars all the time, and people send you the worst cars, the wrong cars, the cars that are modified, cars that are not the right color, cars that are not the right year.

• 49:47Doug DeMuro?

  Nonetheless, I have bought about three cars from putting feelers out on this podcast.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  Yes. In six months, a feeler will come out. But for all the Doug Army out there, Bayside Blue, stock. Stock wheels, stock suspension, stock, stock, stock, stock.

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up that one. Pull up that one that we sold. That, remember that one?

• 50:04Speaker 03

  I remember.

• 50:05Doug DeMuro?

  This, the one, the one, this one that we sold a couple of whiles ago, the, that.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  This is.

• 50:11Doug DeMuro?

  That car lives in my brain. I think about it all the time. It's like the one thing I want more than my Supra. I wanna move back to the Model 3. The lease is up, you got another one coming. If you get another Model 3, I'll be so mad at you. It is, it is possible to daily, by the way, I love, the Model 3 is great. People go get them, have them as appliances, it's fine. Ryan Lopez works here. We live in like automotive, we got a Clio V6 over there. We have two Integralees in the shop.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  I drove, I drove it off. The argument he needs in appliance, he lives in Little Italy where everything is walkable.

• 50:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  His commute to work is maybe four miles max. Like, you don't need a commuter car at all.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  They just opened a Whole Foods half a mile away. It's great.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  You could just get a bicycle, dude.

• 50:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, get an e-bike and get something cool. Get one of these.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  I had a bicycle. I got hit on a, I was hit by a car.

• 50:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, then get a, then get a car. If you can't beat them, join them. But at least, but at least get a cool one.

• 51:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I actually, I have feelers out.

• 51:03Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you get an Evo 8?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  What's your list?

• 51:04Speaker 03

  No, no. My list is very small.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  It's sell the, the drift car. I almost said Zesty Drift Car because of you.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna sell the Zesty Drift Car?

• 51:11Speaker 03

  One of my best friends has been dogging me for years, and living here, and I thought about downsizing to one car. It's between M2 Comp, Hawk and I'm Silver, manual.

• 51:20Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Good choice.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  And a 2020 Plus GX460.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  A what?

• 51:26Doug DeMuro?

  You're the, the ugly one?

• 51:28Speaker 03

  I don't think it's ugly.

• 51:29Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 51:31Doug DeMuro?

  You are gonna, you're gonna leave behind me in the Japanese car world? It was just us, baby?

• 51:36Speaker 03

  No, I'm going to get a fun daily, and then I'm buying a Pajero Evo as soon as I could.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 51:40Doug DeMuro?

  A Pajero?

• 51:41Speaker 03

  They're so cool. They're so cool.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  What do you want?

• 51:45Doug DeMuro?

  They're not that great.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  I want a little SUV. I don't care about it being good to drive. I'm in a little weird Japanese SUV, two-door thing with wings on it. I don't care how it drives. I look cool as hell.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  That's daily-able?

• 51:55Speaker 03

  I'm gonna put a surfboard on it. I'm gonna look insane. It's gonna be great.

• 51:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  What should I buy Doug? Don't say Evo eight. I don't want Evo.

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  Evo eight.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  What's a budget? Give us, give us a working budget and we can turn that into a Cars and Bids episode.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  We're on Cars and Bids.

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but go to the main page. I'll tell you what, I'll tell you, we'll scroll through, I'll tell you what.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 52:13Doug DeMuro?

  What's the budget?

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Uh, let's say forty-five thousand.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 52:18Doug DeMuro?

  Forty-five thousand?

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Dude, buy Mark C32 AMG. That thing is amazing.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Want a C32. No, no offense to this wagon. It is a nice wagon. No.

• 52:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what do you, you want a manual?

• 52:27Speaker 02

  You want something cool like a Model 3.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Listen, listen, crazy. Mr. Kia.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  I need a, I need the car to drive itself for my two mile commute from downtown to downtown.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  There's like three right turns I gotta make. It's way too much. I gotta have Elon do it for me.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Hang on, hang on. Right? Right, left, right.

• 52:51Doug DeMuro?

  Tell me, what do you, what do you look at? You want a manual?

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Manual. It's gotta be manual. If I'm getting rid of my fun car and my soulless daily, I have to have one car that can have the full experience. I drove Producer Sean's M2, which is not a comp, and it was unbelievable. I don't want a comp. I want Hawken Hacks over.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  You know what the answer is Doug? We don't, you don't even need to pull it up. Termi Cobra.

• 53:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 53:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you're from Alabama.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Save some money.

• 53:16Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, first off, I want you to tell us a Termi Cobra story from growing up. You must have one.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 53:22Doug DeMuro?

  Or a Camaro. I'll take a Camaro story.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  This girl had a crush on, crush on, had a Termi Cobra. That was great.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Married.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, Caitlyn, she's already married.

• 53:30Doug DeMuro?

  What about one of these?

• 53:31Speaker 03

  No, it has, okay, no, no, no. You're pointing out all these insane cars. It has to be reliable. It can't be that old. I want it to have creature comforts. I want it to have freaking air conditioning for sure that works.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  He's gonna end up in a Model 3 Doug. It's gonna happen.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Maintenance, maintenance.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  We're wasting our breath here.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Maybe, maybe.

• 53:47Doug DeMuro?

  But like, get, but like, get, he is gonna, cause everybody who wants EZ ends up at EZ. And EZ is just ordering a Model 3 and having it leased replaced by.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  He's already got the order. He's put 250 pot committed.

• 53:58Doug DeMuro?

  The difference between me and.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  He's not folding.

• 54:00Doug DeMuro?

  The difference between Nick and I and Ryan Lopez.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 54:02Doug DeMuro?

  We don't do EZ.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:04Doug DeMuro?

  We go out and get the SLR. We go out and manual swap the Mercy.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  I, not only, we manual swap our E55, and then we FaceTime the guy that did it to fix a loose bolt.

• 54:14Doug DeMuro?

  Nick even made the purchase of a Kia SUV difficult. That's how much we don't do EZ.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did, buddy.

• 54:19Doug DeMuro?

  We do not do EZ. We don't settle. We never settle.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  We're overlooking a massive factor. You guys make a lot more money than me, so you can afford to not do EZ.

• 54:29Doug DeMuro?

  M2 comp is on your list.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  At ten thousand dollars, I can find you a cooler car than a Model 3.

• 54:34Doug DeMuro?

  I would get, you know what I would get for, for, for 50? I'd spend 27 on that really nice late 996 with X51, 27. You got a big maintenance budget left over.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  And I'm daily driving, driving.

• 54:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, are you kidding?

• 54:45Speaker 03

  Where am I putting my surfboard?

• 54:47Doug DeMuro?

  On it. They sell us, they sell a rack.

• 54:49Speaker 03

  Where am I putting all my camera gear when I go to shoots?

• 54:51Doug DeMuro?

  In the front. They're huge. They got back seats. How much camera gear do you have?

• 54:54Speaker 03

  I'm gonna drive this up the five to LA twice a month.

• 54:56Doug DeMuro?

  I drove my 993 up the five 20 times.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  You'd be surprised, 996s can go freeway speed with ease.

• 55:01Doug DeMuro?

  They can actually, a lot of these cars actually can go freeway speed, believe it or not. Evora, thirty-four thousand dollars. Boom, done.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  That's a great choice, actually.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Not practical.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  That's only thirty. What do you mean not practical? It's a four seat Toyota engine car. Why is that not practical?

• 55:13Speaker 02

  Dude, get a scat pack.

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  The problem, this is the problem with these people. Why is it not practical?

• 55:17Speaker 02

  You can be scatting all around town.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  Explain why an Evora is not practical. Explain.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  There's no backseats.

• 55:22Doug DeMuro?

  There's back, it literally has backseats.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  You have no kids, no dog. What do you need a backseat for?

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Maybe I want kids and a dog. I want my friends in the back.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  But buy a new car when you have kids. You're nine months out.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Where am I putting my Pelican case?

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  Your Pelican case? It's got huge backseats.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Unless you got a bun in the oven you haven't told us about.

• 55:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's huge. You can obviously get a back.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  I'm gonna be dinging up the car and moving my case in and out. That is not, and where's my golf bag gonna go?

• 55:46Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I will say, to Kennen's credit, we all, including all the viewers, make fun of him, right? For how pristinely he treats his car, like delicately, right? But he never makes BS excuses like this. Like, you know where Kennen puts his Pelican case? In the trunk. You know what? Where Kennen puts his golf bag? In the car. He drives it to the golf course. He drives it to the video shoot, because Kennen is real.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  He has an E39 M5 with a huge trunk and a backseat.

• 56:12Doug DeMuro?

  Great, get an E39 M5.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  I don't want.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can definitely get one under 40.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  I definitely could. I don't want E39 M5. I'm not spending, I'm not giving.

• 56:18Doug DeMuro?

  If you get another Model 3, I will never speak to you again.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Great.

• 56:21Doug DeMuro?

  All of our conversations are gonna go through Johnny.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  I, I will not give up the car that I love and I build. My, the, the Drift Car is my first car, and I put so much time into it. I will not put it into a car that I don't absolutely love to replace it. M2 comp would fill that nicely.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  M2 comp approved, do that.

• 56:40Doug DeMuro?

  Evora Heritage.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  How about this? If you, if you buy an M2 comp, Doug and I will personally refund your $250 deposit you're gonna lose on the model.

• 56:49Doug DeMuro?

  We will. We absolutely will.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  125 here, 125 there.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:53Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna do it.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  And, I didn't say that.

• 56:55Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, that Jetta, that's what you should get.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  The Jetta is cool. It's got 282,000 miles. Have you thought about it?

• 57:00Doug DeMuro?

  It's got a motor swap.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  A Radical SR3.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Have you, how about this Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren Roadster? I bet, I bet the comments are reasonable on this.

• 57:09Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to results.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Comments are great.

• 57:10Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to results.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  A little verbose.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna, I wanna, I wanna talk through, by the way, the GX thing is interesting, but you, you want an SUV?

• 57:17Speaker 03

  It's practical.

• 57:18Doug DeMuro?

  Get a 100 Series instead of a GX. Keep going. The 460 motor is not as reliable as the 47.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Nice 100 Series, and I'd want to find a really, really nice one, and then spend 30 to 35.

• 57:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you'll spend 30, but you'll get, you'll get it 100% back when you sell. 100%.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  But it's old. God. It's not fuel efficient.

• 57:36Doug DeMuro?

  Nick and I are sitting here like, this is what, this is, this is cars. You know, like, new, we, we have that argument when, when, when people say new. We're like, ah, it's new.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  I, I've been spoiled by the Tesla and the Bluetooth and the phone connecting and the opening the door, the keyless entry and all that.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  I got an idea.

• 57:53Doug DeMuro?

  But like, it doesn't have character. It's not special. Don't you wanna drive a special car every day?

• 57:57Speaker 03

  I have a special car that I have as my second car.

• 57:58Doug DeMuro?

  But you never use it. Like, don't you wanna wake up in the morning as a car enthusiast and get into a special car every single day?

• 58:05Speaker 03

  It makes my special experience more special because I drive.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Cause it never happens.

• 58:09Doug DeMuro?

  It never happens. I haven't seen the Zesty Drift Car move in six months.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  That is, you, first off, you've been gone for four months.

• 58:16Doug DeMuro?

  Has it moved since I got back a month ago?

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I drove it.

• 58:19Doug DeMuro?

  When?

• 58:19Speaker 03

  I drove it on Friday.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  He posted on Instagram for proof when he goes.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I literally took it to H Mart.

• 58:23Doug DeMuro?

  Keep going. I'm gonna tell you some more. I'm gonna, XF Sport Break, I would buy next. Okay, next.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Not manual.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Actually, in, in honor of, of Filippo, let's show a couple cars coming up. There is a Harley Davidson Ranger.

• 58:35Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, have you seen that?

• 58:36Speaker 02

  I'm so into it. Even though it is, it does look like something you could recreate on your own. It is so cool. Ford was involved.

• 58:42Doug DeMuro?

  This was a Ford Dunn SEMA build.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see this?

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Beyond Rad.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Only one.

• 58:48Doug DeMuro?

  I saw it come up and I was like, I can't feature this. Like, the, the feature, we're packed right now with featured. And then I was, I looked through the pictures like, no, this, this is absolutely getting featured.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Cool. The interior, I mean, they did just enough, but it truly does feel like Ford had done it.

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you gotta wonder if they really thought about it.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Ford supplied some parts for it. James Pumphrey also did one on an SVT Lightning version of the Ranger that they toyed. Like, they were really considering modifying and improving the Ranger lineup, but didn't sadly.

• 59:15Doug DeMuro?

  We got the Cyclone.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  But it was pretty cool when they tried. Those little seats, look, you got a backseat there. They swivel.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Are you telling me to buy this?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  If you bought this, I would be, think you were the coolest person in the world.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  I would chip in on this if you let me drive it occasionally.

• 59:29Doug DeMuro?

  As opposed to right now where I think you're the uncoolest person in the world. If you bought this.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:33Doug DeMuro?

  I would think you're the coolest person in the world.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 59:36Doug DeMuro?

  It's, you were wearing this twin turbocharged.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Or what about, Doug, you have in the market report an 07 Escalade.

• 59:42Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, go back. You, did you see this result? Have you ever thought about just popping it in an Escalade, just having it as like an extra car?

• 59:48Speaker 02

  You know what? I watch all of Hoovy's Escalades and I, I can't like help but nod every time he talks to me like, I get it. You're not wrong.

• 59:54Doug DeMuro?

  This car, sold for forty, sold for 14,000 dollars.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  It had no miles.

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  With no miles. This, I'm not joking. This car has 200,000 miles left in it.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  Easily, yeah.

• 1:00:05Doug DeMuro?

  And it sold for 14 grand. And you could sit here and just have an Escalade.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:11Doug DeMuro?

  Comfortable, sitting up high. I would much rather have this than a Model 3, by the way. And by the way, I would rather have every car we sell than a Model 3.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Every car we sell.

• 1:00:19Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  We sell Model 3s.

• 1:00:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they're the bottom. Go back.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  The performance ones.

• 1:00:23Doug DeMuro?

  Go back. Pull up, go to any car that we've sold, and I'll, I will confirm for you yes or no that I would rather have it than a Model 3. Yes, yes, oh, yes, absolutely.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  That thing is cool.

• 1:00:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, well, not, not that.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, not that. I should have bought this. This is nice.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  You are all over the place.

• 1:00:47Doug DeMuro?

  This is a 21. He's only looking at new cars. He wants like, he wants like Google Maps in the center screen. He's lost.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  What's wrong with that?

• 1:00:55Doug DeMuro?

  Because you, you, you don't go anywhere and you have the ability to, you're young, you're single, you have the ability to have something like really cool for a couple of years.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Throw an Alibaba head unit in there.

• 1:01:04Doug DeMuro?

  M2 comp isn't even, like, you could go cra, like, you could do something crazy at a Evora. What's wrong with that Evora? You could, it'd be so cool. And instead, we're sitting here, I need, I need Bluetooth. I need my Bluetooth.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Bluetooth is really nice. It's nice to have.

• 1:01:18Doug DeMuro?

  God.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  You could use that 250 for the deposit to buy a real nice set of AirPods.

• 1:01:23Doug DeMuro?

  I have AirPods in there. That's all you need.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:01:25Doug DeMuro?

  And I'll tell you something. I have regret about when I was in your life position.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Didn't you buy a 360 when you were my age?

• 1:01:31Doug DeMuro?

  I have regret about having too many cars with backseats and four doors. I was into wagons. I bought a bunch of wagons. I had AMG wagons long before Nick was even born. I had.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  I'm older than you.

• 1:01:43Doug DeMuro?

  I had a CTS V-Wag and I had a Panamera, all this stuff. I didn't, I should have bought sports cars. Because now that I have three children, there's only two three-row cars in the world that are cool.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  I do have an option. I do have a wild card and it's a manual V8 Vantage.

• 1:02:00Doug DeMuro?

  I suggested that a second ago and you just said-

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Rewind the tape. Literally pulled it up and he said no when you pointed that one.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  You showed a convertible and I said-

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Oh, give me a break.

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  I was just looking at the results from yesterday.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:12Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, by the way, any Aston Martin I'm cool with for you. DB7 included. Buy that Lexus one.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  I drove Johnny's V Advantage.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  So what I'm hearing is, when you drive a car, you decide you want it.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  What is wrong with that?

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  He just wants Sean's car and Johnny's car.

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing but may I suggest taking the Integrale out for an afternoon?

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  I did and yeah. I drove the Integrale Evo2 and the Renault Sport Clio V6 yesterday.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Damn, what a day. Nice little Tuesday.

• 1:02:36Doug DeMuro?

  Evo2 is pretty cool.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Evo2 is cool.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  The Clio's pretty cool.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  The Clio is way cooler.

• 1:02:40Doug DeMuro?

  You think so?

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  It's cooler.

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  One other suggestion and then we move on. 8J TTRS.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  No, no obvious.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Five-cylinder turbo, super moddable, just enough backseat.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  If I made more money, absolutely manual V8 R8. That's what I would have.

• 1:02:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but if you make less money, there's a million other options that are fantastic, including any of these.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Doug DeMuro?

  That roadster that still is a six-speed manual that sold for 29, unbelievable.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Wow, that was a buy.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  What do you get a convertible? Hard time.

• 1:03:07Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? It's not even worth it. Speaking of convertibles, Nick, tell us about yours.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  SLRns, by the time this is out, it'll be over by a day. I'm, you know, most auctions, all the action happens at the end. Like it kind of gets bid up a little bit. Most of my auctions, however, and I don't know if it's this pod or whatnot, tend to get a little bit more action early in the process. So I'm freaking out. We still got a little ways to go at the moment of us discussing this. However, I'm confident in the cars and bids community to come through.

• 1:03:37Doug DeMuro?

  Boy, did you see his eyes? Like I'm confident in the community.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Did he kick you under the table or was that just me?

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  I have had a few discussions with the contingency plan if it doesn't come through with DC Motorworks to manual swap it.

• 1:03:49Doug DeMuro?

  So that's your plan. If it doesn't sell, because you have a reserve on it insanely, if it doesn't sell insanely.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  If it doesn't sell, then I'm gonna, because the main thing keeping me from doing a manual swap is, oh, the car's too valuable. It's too much money to modify.

• 1:04:02Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  If it doesn't hit the number, I think it is, then I no longer feel that way and it's worth a shot. So.

• 1:04:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  And I spoke to the guys at DC. They're like, not only are they hoping that they get it, they're bidding on it too. So like one way or another, it may end up there regardless, but we'll see where it lands.

• 1:04:18Doug DeMuro?

  I am curious about that. And by the time this pod goes up, you will know if Nick Arndt-

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  I wish I got to drive it before you sold it.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Well, you may have a chance. We'll see.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  I do think, I think there are a lot of people smartly waiting to the end. I was looking at a Garrett Superleggera that sold today, the day we're filming this, so Wednesday for the listeners. And it was at like 1:30 with an hour remaining.

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  And it bid up to 296. So it is very common.

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  Sold. Right.

• 1:04:45Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you. I was concerned about that Superleggera. I was looking at it like, what's gonna happen here? But they, people showed up.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Well, enough people were like interested and just waiting to the end. And I do think like generally when I bid on things, I wait till the end too. Like I get that. So I don't think you can judge a car 24 hours out too strongly, but you know, as the seller, it is still a very nerve-wracking experience.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  What about your other convertible? It's headed off to a shop in Orange County.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yep. Flatbed picked it up. Newport Convertible Engineering. I had put down a deposit like two months ago and we talked about it here. They ordered in the fabric. They found some room for me in their schedule. They said it'll take three weeks. So we'll, we'll see.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  This is for Nick's convertible Range Rover.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  I know. I blew a giant hole on the way to car week. But they're gonna not just do the top. I'm having them like refresh everything. Every rubber, gasket, seal, go over the engine like, or not the engine, but the motor that raises the top. Like I'm gonna try to make it nice again and it's gonna be expensive.

• 1:05:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What is all this gonna cost?

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  They've quoted and I pre-authorized like $8,500 worth of work.

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  That sounds reasonable to me for a new top and all this new stuff.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  There'll be some while you're in there. It's like I expect it to be more like 10 probably when we're all said and done. I hope they don't listen to this. But that's fine.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  I don't think they do because they barely listen to my emails.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Communication is not their strong suit, but I think their workmanship is more than makes up for it.

• 1:06:08Doug DeMuro?

  Will you, can we go up there?

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  They told me I'm not allowed to film there, but I'm definitely going up there and I'm gonna try to at least poke around. Worst case scenario, I'll do like they do in like the courtroom where I'll like sketch it afterwards. Have a little like caricature artist do it.

• 1:06:24Doug DeMuro?

  Because they convert weird stuff into convert-

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  And like classic Ferraris to Tesla's.

• 1:06:29Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know if you know this company, but Newport Convertible Engineering, they're famous globally because people send them cars from all over the world. They are famous for converting cars into, into convertibles and they do-

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did a first gen Cayenne that-

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  That, actually I thought sold for, yeah, they've done a lot of like Hellcats.

• 1:06:47Doug DeMuro?

  Lot of Hellcats.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  But then they also will do blue-chip like six, seven-figure cars. It's crazy.

• 1:06:52Doug DeMuro?

  And SUVs, which are wild, like LX570s, Land Cruisers, Range Rovers. Anyway, I'm excited for all this. I'm thrilled that you're gonna be able to finally use the car again.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  It is crazy. So the SLR is basically, I can't drive it. The Land Rover's down. So we're down to a Kia and a station wagon right now. So it's, it's time to start buying and I'm excited for the next phase.

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  We're ready to buy unless the SLR doesn't sell, in which case we're ready to keep the SLR for another year.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Try it again in 27.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Which I don't think your story with the SLR is done. I think selling it now, sure.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  I'm honestly okay either way, other than like, once you've listed it, you've mentally moved on. But if it ends up staying with me, then we'll have some-

• 1:07:32Doug DeMuro?

  I think his story's done. I'm ready for it to go. I want to see him do some crazy stuff.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Like get a Model 3.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  It'll happen.

• 1:07:40Doug DeMuro?

  If you get another Model 3.

• 1:07:43Doug DeMuro?

  What a weenie decision. You're not a weenie.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:07:45Doug DeMuro?

  You're not a weenie. Like there are people-

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  I'm not a weenie.

• 1:07:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Get that 1M. That's nice. No reserve.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  I mean, that is super nice. Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  That seller had the balls I didn't have.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, why don't you, I want no reserve my, the 4Runner, the Project 4Runner.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Because I want to keep mine if it doesn't hit the number I want and I'm gonna enjoy it longer. That's all it is.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  It would hit the number you want if you go no reserve.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Yep. Chicken egg.

• 1:08:06Doug DeMuro?

  I want to, my Talk Cars segment tonight, I'm gonna devote to my friend Perry.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Perry from Atlanta?

• 1:08:11Doug DeMuro?

  Perry from Atlanta. My friend Perry

• 1:08:15Doug DeMuro?

  has been making fun of me for a year or so about my Sequoia, which I don't really think about all that often unless he texts me about it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  It's not just Perry.

• 1:08:22Doug DeMuro?

  And one of the reasons he's been making fun of me is because the Sequoia has these engine failures. And so, so Perry got a Yukon and he has other family members with Yukons. Lives in the South. They have a big family. They all have big families. You buy a Yukon. You had a Suburban growing up.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  We did have a Yukon.

• 1:08:38Doug DeMuro?

  We had a Yukon, okay.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  A Yukon XL.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's what you do. That's what you do. So he's got a Yukon and his brother's got a Yukon and everybody's got Yukons. And he's been making fun of my Sequoia for the engine failures. And the other day, his brother was driving his new Yukon and the engine exploded.

• 1:08:56Doug DeMuro?

  We looked it up and it turns out that the 6.2-liter V8 inside the Yukon, the Suburban and many other car, the Tahoe, Escalade, is undergoing, it has an enormous amount of problems and there is significant, there's federal scrutiny already from the government.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Yikes.

• 1:09:12Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, recalls. There's significant people on Reddit, on forums, on Facebook complaining about their 6.2-liter V8 failing. So we don't make fun of the Sequoia anymore in my group chat with Perry. But the reason I'm bringing this up is because his brother flatbedded the car to the dealership and said, all right, when am I getting my new engine? The dealer was like, listen, you're like the 30th guy in line at our store.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:09:36Doug DeMuro?

  They were like, here's a loaner car. It's a Buick Enclave. We'll call you.

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  There's like no recourse. He was like, they complained to GM Corporate and GM Corporate like doesn't even participate. Because there are so many people with these 6.2-liter V8 engine failures.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  Lordy.

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  He lives in Atlanta in Georgia.

• 1:09:57Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't that wild?

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  Can you do like a lemon law thing there?

• 1:09:59Doug DeMuro?

  Probably, but like, you know.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  That takes time.

• 1:10:02Doug DeMuro?

  It takes time. It takes effort. And then there's only about three full-size SUVs. The Sequoia has its own engine failures. Like you'd like it fixed. Like they wanted the car in the first place. Doesn't sound like it's gonna be. But this is like a thing and it's been a thing apparently since the 21 model year and they haven't figured out how to adjust it even as up to brand-new cars. Isn't that wild?

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Doug DeMuro?

  Meanwhile, I went into my dealer, by the way, I've complained bitterly about the Toyota engine failure.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:10:26Doug DeMuro?

  And I went in my dealer and I asked him about it. He said it's been several years since he's seen a car come in with the engine failure. He said it was really confined to the very earliest cars and he's like, he didn't even remember initially what I was asking about. He was like, oh yeah, those, those engine failures, that did happen initially. So I don't think it's that big of a deal on Toyota, but-

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  So you're no longer as upset that the hybrids got recalled and the non-hybrids?

• 1:10:43Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not as upset. It doesn't sound like it's gonna affect me. It sounds like we're all gonna be okay. But boy, am I glad I didn't buy a GMC Yukon. It's also funny because like trucks are the things the Americans do best.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Americans have shed this reputation for bad reliability. But like, here's an American truck with bad reliability. Like they are still right there in it, you know? Not a lot of cars make you wish you had a Wagoneer, but this is one of them.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Although the other, the stories about that were also pretty-

• 1:11:15Doug DeMuro?

  Could you imagine though that your dealer being like, we're parking it out back and we have no idea?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Well, the dealer's gotta be equally frustrated.

• 1:11:22Doug DeMuro?

  Keep making payments. Oh yeah.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  I mean, how are they gonna sell more if they can't even stand by the ones that they have?

• 1:11:28Doug DeMuro?

  If you Google anything.

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's like unbelievable what comes up. Like every Reddit thread, the top Reddit thread that Google, when you type in GMC engine failures, a guy posts, he starts his post on Reddit, "I'm a 17-year active-duty Marine stationed at Camp Pendleton." So like they're screwing over the veterans.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Yikes.

• 1:11:48Doug DeMuro?

  And he said, but the story that this guy says is that he had a, his 21 Yukon, the engine blew in 23. They replaced it. A month later, they were driving on the freeway, on the 5 freeway, the engine blew again at 60 miles an hour. Car stop, traffic swerving around them. That's why the federal government is involved. Crazy. Anyway, don't buy a Yukon.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Buy a Sequoia.

• 1:12:11Doug DeMuro?

  Or don't buy a Yukon, a Suburban or a Tahoe or an Escalade or a Sequoia or a Tundra.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  This is brought to you by Filippo.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Go electric, folks.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  I can take one.

• 1:12:23Doug DeMuro?

  I have been thinking about it. Like these engines that have complicated moving parts, combustion engines. Electric cars are a lot simpler. Like I hate to say it.

• 1:12:35Speaker 03

  Where are you going with this?

• 1:12:36Doug DeMuro?

  Like you can see by it in R1S.

• 1:12:38Speaker 03

  Or a Model 3.

• 1:12:39Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  Okay, all right. R2 would be cool. R2 would be cool if they weren't so expensive. I would do an R2.

• 1:12:45Doug DeMuro?

  God.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  You are too young to be driving an SUV.

• 1:12:48Doug DeMuro?

  You need a headache. This is the thing. You need a headache.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  I have a headache. It's a red headache next door.

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  You're, in your life stage, you need a headache. Sean, where's Sean? Sean left. Tell him.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Sean's over.

• 1:13:00Doug DeMuro?

  You need a headache.

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  Life, career, women, not enough of a headache.

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  Need a car to add to it.

• 1:13:07Doug DeMuro?

  Need a car that like, because one day you're gonna have real headaches and like, you're gonna look back and be like, that was fun.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, radical SR3, done.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  God, here we go.

• 1:13:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right, uh, do we have any other hot cars?

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  I think that was a good one.

• 1:13:20Doug DeMuro?

  You want to talk about that Supra sale?

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, we should talk about it. So Doug famously bought a Renaissance red Supra recently. And, uh, we had this one listed on the site and you said that maybe you should have bought one with more miles.

• 1:13:31Doug DeMuro?

  I wish I bought this one, I still do.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I wasn't really sure where it would land, uh, Tommy Belt Service, these Yamaha engineered 2JZs are pretty much bulletproof. This is the one to buy, it's manual.

• 1:13:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's an early car. The, the, the one people, the, the one that, the ones that bring the most money are, are the 98s and the later cars. But yeah, yes, I mean, they're not, there's not a significant value difference.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  It's still a good example.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:13:52Speaker 03

  Renaissance red, sold for $123,000 with 60,000 miles.

• 1:13:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  That's serious money.

• 1:13:58Doug DeMuro?

  It's just the best car. He presented it tremendously well. It's a 200 car, um, no modifications. And these cars, once they start, once people start modifying, they become a lot faster and more fun, but you also start to wonder, you know, if you want to buy one to mod it, a blank slate is a cool place to start. Not that anyone will mod this one, obviously. Uh, it's so cool.

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. If you're gonna modify one, you get a non 2JZ GTE car. You get a GE car, that way.

• 1:14:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yesterday, my three-year-old got in the car with a, with a bag of, um, what are those, those like veggie straws?

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, those are good.

• 1:14:30Doug DeMuro?

  Had the whole bag right there.

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• 1:15:04Doug DeMuro?

  In our 30,000 mile, one-owner Mark IV.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  I mean, that's, it's good you can enjoy it though, because you know, you bought it to be enjoyed.

• 1:15:12Doug DeMuro?

  I love that car. Now, I wish I had bought this one.

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  But you could, the person who won this car could have also bought a Cayman GT4 for the same money.

• 1:15:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Speaker 03

  Different experience.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Very different experience.

• 1:15:23Doug DeMuro?

  My experience with people who have this level of Supras and are paying this much money for them, I've now met a few of those people. They all have 10 cars.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Doug DeMuro?

  The Supra is a, is a nostalgia play. This isn't like a, oh, I could have this or this. It's a, I have a GT4, and I have a this and a that, and, and I also wanted a Supra.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Doug DeMuro?

  And.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  Much like yourself. You've got, you've checked a lot of boxes, and so the, the remaining boxes to fill aren't necessarily the fastest or the bestest.

• 1:15:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, exactly. Like, I have a suspicion this was not in a, in a, um, comparison in the person's mind.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, wasn't a this or that. It was like, I want a great Supra.

• 1:15:58Doug DeMuro?

  When you look at this, don't you think, man, I could be daily in a Supra?

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  I, very cool.

• 1:16:02Doug DeMuro?

  How about an NA?

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Can I drive yours?

• 1:16:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm, how about an NA?

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:06Doug DeMuro?

  We had an incident where Filippo damaged one of my cars. So, no one's driving my cars anymore.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  No one.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Sad.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  I've never even driven one of your cars.

• 1:16:15Doug DeMuro?

  Are you, Filippo ruined it for you? Next time you see Filippo, you remind him what happened.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Filippo's not even here.

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  You tell him.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  He doesn't work here anymore.

• 1:16:21Doug DeMuro?

  What are NA Auto Supras going for?

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  Oh God, less. You could also get a Japanese one, a Supra RZ for nothing.

• 1:16:27Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up Supra and pull up, I want, do like a year thing, like end the years at 99. Or no, you don't have to start the years at anything.

• 1:16:34Speaker 03

  You're right, you're right.

• 1:16:34Doug DeMuro?

  Just end that at 99.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  I want to make sure we don't get any of the, uh, 1900s.

• 1:16:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, true, true.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, those are not good. See, look, Mark III Supra.

• 1:16:41Doug DeMuro?

  Mark III, honestly, Mark III's are so cheap.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:16:44Doug DeMuro?

  They look so cool though. Look at that car.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:47Doug DeMuro?

  That's a tip, but look at that car.

• 1:16:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:48Doug DeMuro?

  You don't like the Mark III at all?

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  I don't like it at all.

• 1:16:50Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  Mark II's worse.

• 1:16:53Doug DeMuro?

  Well, maybe, but 30 grand for this one, for, for, for a Japanese?

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Now we're talking.

• 1:16:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh boy.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  That's Zesty, all right.

• 1:16:59Doug DeMuro?

  That is Zesty.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Is it a Vailside Invader kit?

• 1:17:01Doug DeMuro?

  We're going right back to Zesty. That wasn't the one I was hoping he'd put on, but, no, what about, go back up, go back up, this. This one right here. Look at this, clean, Japanese import, 30Gs. It's not a turbo, but it's a stick.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  Some work VSs, that's, that's up your alley.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Those are not work VSs.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  They look like it. Those are like, hmm.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  They're maybe knockoffs.

• 1:17:20Doug DeMuro?

  How about this? Look at this, big exhaust and New Mexico plates. You know this thing's already been abused. What's, what's, what, what can, what can go wrong?

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  If we all got Renaissance red Supras at different price points just to troll him, and no one will ever know is it the nice one or the crappy one?

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 1:17:34Doug DeMuro?

  That is true.

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  Just remove those side skirts and put on some basic wheels, you're good.

• 1:17:38Doug DeMuro?

  This is a true coupe.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  I'd rather have an S15.

• 1:17:41Doug DeMuro?

  Are those legal yet?

• 1:17:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:43Doug DeMuro?

  What year were they?

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  99.

• 1:17:44Doug DeMuro?

  99. You'd rather have an S15 than a Supra?

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's a four-cylinder.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a SR20, it's the Lord's engine.

• 1:17:49Doug DeMuro?

  Nick and I, we don't do anything less than six.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:17:54Doug DeMuro?

  Unless it's a plug-in hybrid Kia.

• 1:17:57Doug DeMuro?

  That's like a high-strung turbo three-cylinder, probably.

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  Supra's cool, and you mentioned earlier that people are dogging you or they have opinions on how much, what the experience is for the dollar. Like, you get a faster car, it's slow, it's whatever, but it's, it's a Supra, it's special.

• 1:18:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I think that that's a, all those people are right, but like, that's, I bought, I have those cars.

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  I mean, there's people that spend half a million for a Porsche 356.

• 1:18:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Give me a break.

• 1:18:20Doug DeMuro?

  And I made fun of those people, and they would have the same argument to me. It's like, yeah, but this is the experience I wanted, and this is what they cost, and I can afford it, so I did it. Plus, you know, I got a Ford GT, you know, like, I want a Supra.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:31Doug DeMuro?

  And now I got a Supra.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  You have two Ford GTs.

• 1:18:33Doug DeMuro?

  Have you, oh God, I know. We gotta, we gotta do something about that.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  I, that's the car I wish you let me drive before.

• 1:18:38Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Ryan, you still can drive it. Right onto the transport truck to take it to Willow Springs.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  Well done.

• 1:18:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is Filippo. Filippo's not gonna promo the business anymore, somebody's got to. We have all these crazy cars, amazing auctions ending at the Willow Springs Reimagined Event on October 17th. Go out to Willow Springs, see the cars, have some funnel cake. What do they have out there? Funnel cake? He's not sure about funnel cake. He's taking off his headphone. I don't know why. Just say yes or no to funnel cake, Sean.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  I think it's actually an elephant here.

• 1:19:14Speaker 02

  But it's in California.

• 1:19:15Doug DeMuro?

  Candy.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  They're using vegetable oil.

• 1:19:17Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, my Ford GT, there's gonna be amazing auction cars there. We have some really, really cool surprises coming. My Ford GT is not the coolest car there. That honor goes to the, uh, Leticia.

• 1:19:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I know, call it by what it actually is, what it should be. It's a Clio.

• 1:19:32Doug DeMuro?

  Clio V6. Clio. Nick, are you aware of this?

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  I'm not aware of how it became a Leticia.

• 1:19:36Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so the Clio was called the Clio, right?

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  I got that far.

• 1:19:40Doug DeMuro?

  We, we know that. It's a Clio. And that car, you see it, you think Clio.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's like you see blue when you think blue. Except that the Clio in Japan was sold as the Renault Leticia.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:19:51Doug DeMuro?

  And that is a Japanese one. And so technically.

• 1:19:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's, and, and they call, even the V6 one, they called it the Leticia V6. It's insane.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  How bizarre.

• 1:20:01Doug DeMuro?

  How bizarre.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  Was that like a translation thing, like the Pajero?

• 1:20:04Doug DeMuro?

  I, I don't know. For whatever reason, they didn't want to call it Clio in Japan. I don't know. It was Clio everywhere else. And so only in Japan is it Leticia. And obviously, the best imported cars come from Japan, so this one came from Japan. And there's actually a plaque between the seats that says Renault Leticia.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  They rebadged it on the outside because you would, I mean.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  That thing is so cool to look at.

• 1:20:22Doug DeMuro?

  Have you driven it?

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:20:23Doug DeMuro?

  Should get behind the wheel.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  I, Filippo ruined the cars. I can't drive them.

• 1:20:26Doug DeMuro?

  Can't drive the cars anymore.

• 1:20:27Speaker 03

  No, I drove it. It was great. I drove the hell out of it.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  You're letting him drive it?

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  It was great.

• 1:20:31Speaker 02

  Model 3 driver?

• 1:20:32Doug DeMuro?

  If that car, if that car had two things, I would buy it. Backseats, although I would consider buying it even without them.

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  Backseat, Apple CarPlay. Self-driving.

• 1:20:41Doug DeMuro?

  That one is just too nice. Like, I need a 65,000 mile car. That's a 19,000 mile car. I can't believe somebody let you drive it. I imagine Sean was sitting in the passenger seat, staring anxiously at every move you made.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  Doug, I've driven some really nice cars, and I'm.

• 1:20:55Doug DeMuro?

  You're legit. I think you're legit. Sean doesn't think you're legit.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  I know, I need to win over Sean.

• 1:20:59Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta win over Sean, and it's gonna be harder for you now that Filippo damaged my car. Do you understand?

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  But that doesn't affect me.

• 1:21:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but there's a, there's an air of letting people drive stuff and it getting damaged that's permeated the office. It's like when that bird was in.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  We gotta sage the office, I think.

• 1:21:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think so too. Dude, now that Filippo's gone, we should have done it anyway. It just doesn't matter, of course.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  Bird's desk.

• 1:21:18Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta move on to the questions. Uh, the questions, uh, were, we had questions this week, despite Sean's best efforts to hide them from the viewing audience. This week, this week, the questions are gonna be right there in the first comment.

• 1:21:33Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, right there in the first comment.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  The question's post is linked in the first comment.

• 1:21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Not this week, it wasn't.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  It was.

• 1:21:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Sean, the description is not the comments. Nobody reads the description. We read the comments.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  People should.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Especially on mobile, it collapses the description. It's kind of hard to even get it.

• 1:21:50Doug DeMuro?

  And desktop. Okay. First question from Dusty Springfield Cat. When is Nicky Lube opening? This is an easy one for you, Nick. When is Nicky Lube opening?

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  I just got my EIN very recently. So as a business, it is technically open. However, we're still working on the business plan to decide what we want to do. There is merch. Thank you for wearing it, by the way.

• 1:22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Nicky Lube forever. I just hung it up in my closet after washing.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Where's my shirt?

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Uh, it's in the mail.

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  I didn't get a shirt.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  But yeah, so far it's just a lifestyle brand.

• 1:22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have nickylube.com?

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. And actually I configured the Shopify website to show up on Nicky Lube. It's legit. And pull it up.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  I am, I already have.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Great images going. So, you know, this guy's selling an SLR and he looks like that. I'd buy that.

• 1:22:36Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. So there's, wait, wait, go back.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  We got koozies, air fresheners.

• 1:22:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we're showing the stuff. This is great.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  That one moves when you click on it.

• 1:22:43Doug DeMuro?

  That one moves when you click on it. Go down. I want to see the, I want to see the.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  They've got some other merch. Yeah.

• 1:22:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you chose the cars that you, that you, that you had.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that shirt's not that great.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Which, which AI tool did you use to design these?

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Nicky, Nicky Lube is sort of an original design. But so Nicky Lube, honestly, I still think that there is a viable market for a European focused oil change place. However, I am not the person to do this. I have a real job. I know people find that hard to believe. I have gainful employment that thankfully is good enough to afford some cool cars. So I'm not going to be opening up a quick lube anytime soon.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  You know what I like about you, Nick, is how authentic you are to yourself. You have your product shots on your website and you didn't think of ironing your shirt or washing it or anything?

• 1:23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Or like hitting a model or doing it somewhere other than a poorly lit garage.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  Well, Doug's, Doug's freaking out the other day over apostrophes and typos. And it's like, you know what? I'm not an AI bot. All right. I'm a human and I make mistakes.

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  And you're mugging us. You're mugging us in the hat photo.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Uh, I like that.

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Uh, but speaking of mugging, we do have merch.carsandbids.com.

• 1:23:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, Filippo's here. Merch.carsandbids.com. Don't buy any of that Nicky Lube crap. Listen, we're.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  These shirts are actually really nice, unlike mine.

• 1:24:00Speaker 03

  They're really nice. And this, this is like light sweaters that he's wearing. I took these photos.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Mine are on the cheapest cotton ever produced by like illegal child labor. And these are like nice to wear.

• 1:24:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nick is, Nick has marked up his as much as possible.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  That's my chin.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Yes, that's, that's a nice chin. We do think, and I would like the audience to weigh in, but we think Ryan Lopez airbrushed himself in some of these photos. His skin's just a little too smooth, a little too glowy.

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  You know, I don't know what it is. Some guys just got it. They can use 10 in one and their skin looks good.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  What's your skincare regimen?

• 1:24:33Speaker 03

  Uh, all right, I'll walk you through it. So there's.

• 1:24:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we're going to move on to the next question. Uh, this question is directed at me, but I'm going to ask it to all of you from Fast Ferrari. Dear Doug, what is some life advice you would tell your 23 year old self? Nick, take yourself back to age 23. Obviously things have worked out beautifully for you since then, but tell us, what, what would you tell your 23 year old self in order to, to, to get to this level where you are?

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  Honestly, that's a tough one because I'm generally of the opinion of like, I don't have a ton of regrets because you learn from your mistakes, right? So it's like, okay, if I could go back and change things other than like killing baby Hitler, there's like not a lot that I would change because I learned from it and it defined who I am. My biggest regret is alcohol. I have since stopped drinking, but like in my twenties, I drank way too much. And I think I would have been more successful in my career, my relationships, et cetera, if I didn't have that constant distraction.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  This is real.

• 1:25:27Doug DeMuro?

  This is real.

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  That, that would be my real advice. Otherwise I would just say like, work hard. Um, like the twenties is when you like, you think you're really busy in your twenties and like, no offense to anyone in their twenties, but like, you're like, oh, I'm so stressed. Life is so hard. And then you realize that doesn't get easier. You get more responsibility.

• 1:25:45Doug DeMuro?

  Right. I now wax nostalgic about how, how carefree life was.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  But at the time, I thought every email I got was like make or break for my career.

• 1:25:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Like I was so stressed about it.

• 1:25:55Doug DeMuro?

  And maybe it was.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  I, I think you got to lean into your career because you, that is a time in your life where you can, but like also like just try to keep some perspective there. Like, like life will only get more difficult.

• 1:26:05Doug DeMuro?

  You're aware that, by the way, that we're giving you this advice. So that's his advice to you.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  And don't buy a Model 3.

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  Because I'm 23 years old.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Yes, have some headaches.

• 1:26:13Doug DeMuro?

  Sort of. Uh, my advice for 23 year old Ryan Lopez is, um, the partner you choose will be the most important choice you ever make. So choose wisely.

• 1:26:25Speaker 03

  That is good advice.

• 1:26:26Doug DeMuro?

  And I mean that with unbelievable sincerity. And I hope you really think it through.

• 1:26:32Speaker 03

  You're really looking deep into my soul here.

• 1:26:34Doug DeMuro?

  And I hope others think it through as well.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Doug and I were fortunate to marry up and I agree. My wife makes me a better person every day.

• 1:26:40Doug DeMuro?

  You don't, you're the one we're giving the advice to.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  I'm 31. 23 was a long time ago.

• 1:26:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you're 23 in spirit. And so like, we are giving you the advice.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  I would have said buy, buy stocks or something.

• 1:26:50Doug DeMuro?

  You agree, we're giving him the advice.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay. All right. Uh, next question.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Keep doing what you're doing though.

• 1:26:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:26:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, choose the right partner and not just someone who you think is a smoke show in your terminology.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 1:27:04Doug DeMuro?

  Choose a very complete partner who is great in all facets. Okay. Next question. From, there's some really good questions this week, probably because we didn't post them in the comments.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:19Doug DeMuro?

  So we didn't get a riffraff. Uh, next question from Osprey. Dear Doug, in Hoovy's latest video, he attributes an email from him to you, eventually jumpstarting his fame and, uh, his career and eventually to him even meeting his smoke show supermodel wife, Ryan Lopez.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Did you say that?

• 1:27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. Do you take credit for changing his life? Yeah. Next question. Uh,

• 1:27:43Doug DeMuro?

  listen, Hoovy owes me everything. I, it's, it's well documented. Why do you think he comes on here? He doesn't care. He doesn't care about us. He's not doing it because he, he wants to hang out with Nick Stafford. He's doing it because I changed his life and he owes me everything he has. Let me tell you something. When he's out there in rural Kansas and a pronghorn gallops into his beautiful multi-acre property, he thinks to himself, man, this never would have happened if it wasn't for Doug.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  A what gallops in?

• 1:28:11Doug DeMuro?

  A pronghorn. Pull up, let's, let's do, since Hoovy's been mentioned, what, don't you think we should look at his car lot? Pull up, pull up, pull up Hoovy's car. Let's see what he's got for sale.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  I have to say, to plug his, his Hoopde Lot YouTube channel is so enjoyable to watch. I've always wondered what it would be like to be a used car sales operation.

• 1:28:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  And he captures every moment. He goes to the auction and he's like filming like I would and like.

• 1:28:34Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up his, pull up his lot, the website.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Going on test drives and like seeing like, oh, this thing's got like a cigarette burn in it. Like it is so cool to see how it all goes.

• 1:28:42Doug DeMuro?

  This isn't it. Yeah. Click there. Click there. Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Hoopde Lot.com.

• 1:28:45Doug DeMuro?

  All right. What do we got these? By the way, someone told him, and I'm very annoyed if it was you, audience member, someone told him that we do this, that we go in the pod into his used car lot.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  And we need to keep it up now.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, now we do. Okay. Here's a 10 Escalade, seven grand for this 10 Escalade SV. That seems like a pretty damn good deal.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  You should buy that instead of a Model 3.

• 1:29:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's a two-wheel drive and it's got 157,000 miles. And we did just talk about how the 6.2 liter V8s in these cars explode, but it made it pretty far.

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  You can get a good $6,000 of value out of it.

• 1:29:13Doug DeMuro?

  Here's an off rental tracks, front wheel drive off rental tracks for nine. I tell you something, you want to do a drive by, this is the car for you.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  That Cayenne actually is for 12,995. My Cayenne just sold on the site for, for a little bit more than that. Mine was a GTS, but that is amazing daily. If you really needed an SUV.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  No, we're talking.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  That SC 430, April, April Rose had a great video on that one.

• 1:29:37Doug DeMuro?

  17, five, 110,000 miles? Hoovy's asking a little strong there.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  That vet is what he should get.

• 1:29:42Doug DeMuro?

  The vet.

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  Put a Kenwood in there, you're good.

• 1:29:45Doug DeMuro?

  You get the vet from, he wants, you want Ryan Lopez to buy that?

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  That's a good daily.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  You'd have to shoot me in the head before I buy an automatic C6.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  We might have to shoot you in the head anyways.

• 1:29:54Doug DeMuro?

  You buy a Model 3. He's over here talking bad on auto C6s. He's trying to get a Model 3. Oh, I got, I got a long range though. No, you don't understand. It's the stealth performance. It has the upgrades from the performance, but it's not bad.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Stealth performance is only.

• 1:30:08Doug DeMuro?

  You don't understand. It's very cool. It's very cool. Go back up. What else we got on here? You should be thinking about some of these cars. Go to the edge. Go to the Ford Edge at the top.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:30:16Doug DeMuro?

  Eight grand buys you this?

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Doug DeMuro?

  Nick.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  It's a lot of car for the money.

• 1:30:19Doug DeMuro?

  I wish, you know what I wish, honestly? I wish I was 16 again, trying to buy my first car. The cars today for, that you can buy for what I spent on my first car are so much better than the trash that, and I knew it was trash then.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Well, channeling the inner Filippo to plug Cars and Bids and related properties. Cars and Friends, every week we go over the cars we'd like to buy at each price point, including a sub 10K range. And that, that was exactly, I know it's a little privileged, but that was my budget for my first car, $10,000. And to your point, the cars that I was looking at was like, oh, this one doesn't have airbags. So like, that'll be fine. Like I'll walk it off. Like now it's like.

• 1:30:57Doug DeMuro?

  We bought my first car.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  240 horsepower? That was like a, that would win like drag nights at hot import.

• 1:31:03Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. Absolutely. This car would have laid down a 17 at Bannamere Speedway when I was a kid in Denver, and it would have been among the faster cars.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  The cops wouldn't be able to chase them. We would just leave them.

• 1:31:14Doug DeMuro?

  Is this Escalade? Are you kidding? For seven? That's what we spent on my first car.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  403 horsepower.

• 1:31:19Doug DeMuro?

  400 horsepower, big old Escalade.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:21Doug DeMuro?

  We spent $6,600, $6,500 to buy my first car, which is a Volvo 850. Total trash, unbelievably awful to, to own in terms of reliability. I could have had, in today's world, I could have this Edge. I could have that drive by tracks. Hoovy, Hoovy really, he could clean the headlight in that F-150. But other than that, Hoovy's got the good stuff this week, folks.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  His, you gotta watch his content in all seriousness. All of his channels have been just firing on all cylinders, but the Hoopde Lot channel that he launched, I, I just, I find to be the most entertaining YouTube channel currently on air.

• 1:31:54Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, Hoovy's the best. Uh, next question from.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  You know, I asked him to comment on my SLR auction. I just said, hey, no obligation, no pressure. But just like, if you leave like a, a nice comment to, to bury some of my poorly crafted comments that I didn't proofread correctly. And instead of commenting, he sends me a 30 second long video and goes, edit this for me and post me and tag me as a collab. And like went way above and beyond. I'm like, bro, I didn't even think, like, I thought you might even be mad at me for selling it. And instead you're like really helping me out. Like such a generous guy.

• 1:32:24Doug DeMuro?

  Hoovy's real. Hoovy's a real one. That's why I jumpstarted his career. You're welcome.

• 1:32:29Doug DeMuro?

  Um, okay. Next question from Alex de las Casas. Question for Doug, would you ever manual swap your AMG wagon?

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  Follow the footsteps.

• 1:32:39Doug DeMuro?

  You've walked into a bit of a can of worms.

• 1:32:43Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody's manually swapping these AMG cars now, and I've owned a lot of these cars.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Oh, boy.

• 1:32:47Doug DeMuro?

  And I just don't get it. I think that these cars were not intended to be manual. They don't drive, they're, they're high horsepower, big, big V8 cars. They're, they're, they're great for autobahn cruising. The most fun you have in these cars is you drop the hammer at 60 and go up to 120. And that's what they're incredible at. And to me, a good manual car is a downshift in a corner into second and punch out, you know? And I just don't understand the, the need to manual swap these cars. People are doing it to all these cars that just aren't better with manuals. And there's, there's an enthusiast theory that everything is better than manual. I don't agree. I think there's some cars that are actually better as automatics.

• 1:33:28Doug DeMuro?

  And I think these big body, high horsepower, non-stressed V8 AMG cars are better as automatics.

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  Then, then you would apply that to an E60 M5, every sedan with over 500 horsepower.

• 1:33:40Doug DeMuro?

  E60 M5 is a high-strung powertrain. And honestly, it steers and handles considerably better than, than an equivalent Mercedes AMG car. That car was more of an athlete and deserves, by the way, the manual in that car's not the best. But that car was more than, and deserves a, a manual transmission, if that's what you want to do. These Mercedes are not athletic cars. Why give an athletic transmission? Give it a soft, slow torque and.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  Unathletic is their crappy automatic transmission. I drove an E55 before buying mine in an automatic and I walked away, literally said to the group, I had, wow, am I underwhelmed? The, the power is so low, it was hard to keep in the power range. Like, it felt like such a boring car. And now that it's manual, the main reason I'm selling my SLR is because I like my manual swapped wagon so much that I'm grabbing the keys to it because I'd rather rode my own gears in a station wagon than have an automatic in a sports car.

• 1:34:27Doug DeMuro?

  Depends on what your use case is. Nick is an auto guy. He's only got one manual.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  If you've got 10 cars and you're.

• 1:34:31Doug DeMuro?

  Deep auto.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Daily driving a Supra.

• 1:34:33Doug DeMuro?

  He's deep, deep, deep auto.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  I'm trying to fix that.

• 1:34:37Doug DeMuro?

  For me, the family car that we're going out to the, to the, to the fun park.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  Sequoia.

• 1:34:43Doug DeMuro?

  You take, no, I haven't driven the Sequoia in four months, one month now, I guess.

• 1:34:49Doug DeMuro?

  You take the AMG wagon and you have, you blast down the highway and you're not

• 1:34:57Doug DeMuro?

  rolling all these gears.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  My car doesn't make any of those noises.

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  You get your macho in one hand, you get the steering wheel in the other.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Well, the beauty of the car hobby, and I was thinking about this a lot the other day, is that everyone is a little different.

• 1:35:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  And your car is an expression of who you are.

• 1:35:09Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  And you are a purist, you only like cars the way the factory made them. That is fine, that is your prerogative. Some people like to do crazy mods to cars, some people like tasteful mods, some people uh, drive a Model 3 for no reason. Like, everyone is a little different.

• 1:35:26Speaker 03

  I have a very good reason.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  I have, look, the reason that people are doing so many of these AMG swaps is because they're really fun cars otherwise, and that trans was holding it back. And frankly, it's like, you're using all factory components, like, I, I don't, you gotta drive the CLK 63 Black Series at the.

• 1:35:42Doug DeMuro?

  That's a different car.

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  That car is amazing.

• 1:35:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's a true sports car and a manual would liven that car up. I actually think a manual would liven up a nice SLK AMG too.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  CTSV wagon, not particularly athletic.

• 1:35:52Doug DeMuro?

  Those were athletic cars.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  It's dog S H I T as an automatic and it is only desirable as a manual.

• 1:35:57Doug DeMuro?

  Between, the difference between, I owned a V-Wagon, I've owned every AMG wagon. And the difference between those cars was, the V-Wagon was an athlete that became a wagon. And the AMGs were just wagons that they tried to make athletic. The Vs are actually, the V2 especially, is a really dynamically good car. It had the magna ride, it was incre, it was a really nice car. That was a 500.

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  Really, really nice inside, yeah.

• 1:36:19Doug DeMuro?

  Well, but I'm, we're talking about the driving, it's a manual transmission. That car deserved a manual.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  I, I agree to disagree in the sense that I think the car is dramatically better as a manual and I have zero regrets doing it. But you are a purist and you have a bias towards how the factory did it, and that's fine.

• 1:36:35Doug DeMuro?

  No, I just, I believe that the, the cars have a feel and that a manual doesn't make every car better. Would a 4C be better with a manual? Yes. Would an 8C be better?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  I think every car is better with a manual, unless, unless you are just looking for an appliance.

• 1:36:46Speaker 03

  I have a theory.

• 1:36:47Doug DeMuro?

  Big trucks, SUVs, you think, you'd rather be driving a manual Escalade? You'd rather throw in a manual Escalade?

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  I think I'd rather have a manual D90 than an automatic, even though the automatics are more desirable.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Nick represents the majority of the internet that sees, when I make a post on Facebook or Instagram for cars and bids and some, the, not the manual variant, pfft, auto trash, or like, bah, auto tragic. And they just like, all the, a lot of hate comes by. And I think, oh, like, well, you have the same car in manual then, you must. But no, they don't. And the reality is, is that everybody has an opinion and the internet enthusiast community is so ingrained that everything with manual is better. And the reality is, it's not the case. Now, do I want an M2 that's manual? Yes, is it, because that's what that car does for me. But the DCT is still really damn good. Anything with a ZF, still really damn good. Fourth of the Scooterya, the twin, whatever, is it twin clutch or single clutch?

• 1:37:34Speaker 02

  No, those are single clutch.

• 1:37:35Speaker 03

  Single clutch, but that is the most fun automatic transmission.

• 1:37:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I'd put a manual on that, though.

• 1:37:39Speaker 03

  Oh, then that would be something.

• 1:37:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I, now that, I've obviously, uh, ruffled Nick's feathers and I've got another ruffler coming.

• 1:37:45Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:37:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is our last question.

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  Are you gonna be wrong again?

• 1:37:48Doug DeMuro?

  From Joshua Duffy Photo. For Doug and other dads, I'm having my third child on October 2nd, so am I. Uh, she'll be coming home in our Kia Carnival.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Ooh, nice.

• 1:37:59Doug DeMuro?

  What fun car should I get to complement the van, but still will have three, still fit three child seats? We can answer three child seats, but I want to talk about three rows real quick. I've decided that there's only two cool three row cars.

• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  That's probably generous.

• 1:38:13Doug DeMuro?

  There are two cool three row cars in the whole world.

• 1:38:16Speaker 03

  Is a.

• 1:38:16Doug DeMuro?

  Two.

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  Can I guess one?

• 1:38:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  Is it the LX 700 Overtrail?

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  Are you talking new cars only?

• 1:38:21Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, fine, there's four.

• 1:38:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, not new only.

• 1:38:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:38:28Doug DeMuro?

  LX Overtrail's one.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  E55 wagon.

• 1:38:31Doug DeMuro?

  But only my body, not your body, that's why.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  Give me a break. Give me a break. You're insane. What is wrong with you?

• 1:38:39Doug DeMuro?

  S210 E55 wagon is another one, that's right, not 211, okay. R63.

• 1:38:44Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:38:46Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, 100 Series Land Cruiser. And that's it. That's all. Those are the only four fun cars with three rows of seats that have ever existed and probably will ever exist. Feel free to think of another one.

• 1:39:01Speaker 03

  Model X Plaid?

• 1:39:02Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm, did we say fun or cool? If we said cool, then not that. But if we said fun, yeah, that's, that's pretty appealing.

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  Rivian R1S?

• 1:39:10Doug DeMuro?

  Same distinction, fun versus cool.

• 1:39:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, fair. Yeah, I mean, there is the, the new Defender, I think you can get with a third row as well.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  Those are cool.

• 1:39:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:19Speaker 03

  Not very fun.

• 1:39:19Doug DeMuro?

  They're around.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  You can get a full-size range too, with a long wheelbase and a third row option.

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Pretty cool.

• 1:39:24Speaker 03

  You can get a Pacifica.

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  The, so the, the theme of Cars and Friends, which we're gonna film after this, is the coolest wagons at each price point. So there will be some three-row options in there besides the ones that you mentioned. And we'll correct some of your alternative facts with, with some of those.

• 1:39:40Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I do think that my S210 might be a little better with a, with a puffer on it. Uh, okay, is that the end, or do you want one more, Nick?

• 1:39:47Speaker 03

  Let's do one more.

• 1:39:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  Not ruffle his feathers, let's bring him back.

• 1:39:50Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, one more that, that, that Nick can love us for.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  A nice one.

• 1:39:54Doug DeMuro?

  That Nick can love us for.

• 1:39:55Speaker 03

  And then a good note.

• 1:39:56Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, oh, from Julian Evans, oh god, this is actually a feather ruffler, but look. From Julian Evans 9548, question for Nick, why didn't you just buy a one or two-year-old car? Whether the Volvo or the Kia, this is genuinely confusing to me. As these, as people know what a waste of money a new car is, and a one-year-old car would still be reliable, have a warranty, et cetera.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  I know. I agree.

• 1:40:17Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  He admits to. We made so many bad decisions.

• 1:40:22Doug DeMuro?

  This is, you're, that's not true.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  I should have got, an XC90 is, that was one or two years old, was probably the move. The problem was every mom in our neighborhood drives the pre-face lift and we just couldn't do it. It was like, it's completely irrational, it's not based on any like, facts or figures.

• 1:40:38Speaker 03

  This is Mr. Internet here. Every car has a manual and I can't have anything that anyone else has, it's played out.

• 1:40:43Doug DeMuro?

  Because the moms in the neighborhood are driving it, oh my god.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  All of the moms drive XC90s.

• 1:40:49Speaker 03

  Because the moms know what's up, that's a great car.

• 1:40:51Doug DeMuro?

  But the reason, I want to be clear, though, the reason you didn't get the plug-in Sorento is it didn't exist before, right? The, the new body style, you got the new body style, which just came out, right?

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Right, I think it came out 2025, but yeah.

• 1:41:01Doug DeMuro?

  There weren't like, year-old ones that would have been any cheaper.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  And I mean, we're already buying a Kia, like a used Kia, I don't know.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  I, I, we regret a lot in that decision-making. The car's been great, I actually drove it to Arizona last week, back-to-back. I drove to Arizona one day, from Arizona, so I spent about 12 hours in the car and, in a matter of two days.

• 1:41:21Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  I, I do say, having a new car is nice in the sense that the, the adaptive cruise, which I've never had before, the lane keep assist. I, I was able to, I, I both got there and back a lot more refreshed than I did in a Cayenne, where I had to do a lot of more stuff myself.

• 1:41:36Doug DeMuro?

  If you end up with anything less than 100 Series Land Cruiser, I will never speak to you again.

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  You know what's interesting is, uh, I've thought about. I thought about giving my lease back and John, beloved John, who works here, has a 100 Series Land Cruiser that he hasn't driven because he just bought a newer Lexus SUV. And he's like, just take it. Take it, see if you like it. And maybe I'll drive it for a few weeks to see if I like it.

• 1:42:00Doug DeMuro?

  That's the greatest motor Toyota ever made. A lot better than that trash from the GMC Yukon's. Goodbye, everyone.