The 2024 Milly Awards

Get our Business Monetization Playbook: https://clickhubspot.com/monetization Episode 663: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) break down the best and worst of the year. — Show Notes: (0:00) Best Investment of The Year (7:51) Worst Investments of The Year (14:39) Biggest Personal L (20:26) Coolest Moment (24:50) Life Hack of the Year (30:55) Billy of the year (37:31) Frame Breaking Person (48:53) Favorite guest (57:30) Best Product (1:01:24) Biggest change for next year — Links: • Inverse Galloway Index - https://inversegallowayindex.com/ • Nick Gray - https://nickgray.net/ • “Do What Makes The Best Story” - https://amasad.me/story • Brick - https://getbrick.app/ — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: Need to hire? You should use the same service Shaan uses to hire developers, designers, & Virtual Assistants → it’s called Shepherd (tell ‘em Shaan sent you): https://bit.ly/SupportShepherd — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth • Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/ My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano

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• 0:00Shaan Puri?

  Ladies and gentlemen, here we are. Four years in a row, the end of year Milli Awards, where we get together and we recap the year. We make up a bunch of categories. We make up a bunch of answers and we reflect on how the year has gone with, with our awards ceremony. So Sam, are you ready?

• 0:20Sam Parr?

  I'm ready.

• 0:29Sam Parr?

  I like your jacket. Are you gonna start wearing this stuff more often? It feels like a little suit of armor.

• 0:34Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I already got a compliment this morning inside the house. So I think maybe I should start dressing well. Maybe that's gonna be my change of the year. We'll see.

• 0:40Sam Parr?

  It's December 26th. You got a compliment this year. Probably the only compliment you got all year.

• 0:45Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, the only looks compliment for sure.

• 0:47Sam Parr?

  Men don't get compliments, so you should wear jackets for it.

• 0:54Sam Parr?

  All right, where do we want to start?

• 0:55Shaan Puri?

  All right, we're gonna start category. We have 11, 11 awards to give out. We're gonna start with number one, best investment of the year. And these are personal, by the way. These are our personal best investments, worst investments, that sort of thing. So Sam, what was your best investment of the year?

• 1:09Sam Parr?

  What do you think I'm gonna say?

• 1:12Shaan Puri?

  The S and P 500.

• 1:14Sam Parr?

  The S and P 500, up 28%. But that one's boring. I don't want to just say that. The best investment I, we had this year, I, do you remember Jason Cohen? We had on the pod, Jason Cohen started, what's it called? WP Edge.

• 1:29Shaan Puri?

  Love that guy.

• 1:31Sam Parr?

  No, I just can't remember the, the company. Anyway, he made a comment, I think after the pod where he talked about tipping. And I was like, I like to tip, you know? I was like, I just hand out fives. And he goes, fives? You should be handing out twenties. Like, he goes, I tip like crazy. And I started doing that after the pod. And so I carry around about a thousand dollars of twenties at any given point. And I am just dishing that shit out like crazy. And if you want to know something, it's made me so happy. And so that's been a great investment. My, but, and I wanted to bring that up because my investment strategies are pretty boring. But man, I'll tell you what, I'll go to a restaurant and it'll be like $60 because we don't drink and like, it's like, we're cheap dates. I'll, I'll easily leave a hundred.

• 2:13Shaan Puri?

  And then you stick around to wait for the, uh, the reaction to it. You're like, did you, did you see that? I just want to make sure you get that right under there.

• 2:19Sam Parr?

  Listen, I thought it was tacky to do that. But I say screw them. I'm doing something nice. I wanna, I want like a compliment. Like it makes me feel good too. I'm doing this for selfish reasons. It makes me feel good. So I don't mind it. As long as I'm not filming it, it's okay. That's what I think.

• 2:35Shaan Puri?

  Do you guys share these or is that all yours right there?

• 2:39Sam Parr?

  No, but seriously tipping has made me happier, but investment, it's hard for me to say best investment because I am so boring. Although I do have one angel investment and figure that's gonna pay a lot of money so far on paper.

• 2:50Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so Sam's favorite ice cream is vanilla. All right, here we go.

• 2:53Sam Parr?

  What do you want me to say? Am I supposed to make something up?

• 2:56Shaan Puri?

  All right, I will make up for your boring answer with, I have two answers. I'll give you the first one. Okay, so Sam, best investment, when I think of the perfect investment, right? What's my type? My type would be, you know, some people like blondes, some people like brunettes. Here's my type. My type is a passive investment that is tax advantaged, that beats market returns, that is uncorrelated to my, the rest of my portfolio, tech, crypto, has low downside, and I'm betting on a beast of an operator who has an unfair advantage.

• 3:26Sam Parr?

  It sounds like you're trying to sell me a timeshare.

• 3:29Shaan Puri?

  Close, it's real estate. You got it. And so I, for the first time, made some serious investment. I invested a few million dollars into real estate this year, and it was great. For a long time, I had thought I should probably be doing real estate. I should probably take this magic internet money, put it in real estate, so that I have kind of both. I have real world tangible assets that pay cash flow, and then I have this like kind of crazy upside tech stuff. And I never could figure out the way to do it. I was like, do I buy my own and manage it? That seems like a pain. Do I use one of these kind of like funds or whatever? But they're all just fee monsters. And the answer was sitting in my, in my own wheelhouse. My brother-in-law is an amazing real estate operator. The guy's built like a billion dollar real estate portfolio

• 4:13Shaan Puri?

  for himself. And so I just started giving him money, and it's been amazing. I don't lift a finger and I'm getting like, you know, 30, 40% returns with all the tax advantages. So that was my best investment, and I'll be doubling down there. But I have a bonus answer for you. The bonus answer is I made a couple of stock trades. I know you don't approve, not supposed to buy individual stocks, but I did. But I did it in a very specific way that I think you might dig, which was, I just have been trading against the All In Podcast for like two years now.

• 4:45Sam Parr?

  Are you kidding me?

• 4:46Shaan Puri?

  And it has been phenomenal.

• 4:49Sam Parr?

  Give me an example. And also, like, is this like casino gambling money? Or is this like, like, dude, in my opinion, anything above $100,000 is like legitimate.

• 4:59Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so real bets then.

• 5:01Sam Parr?

  Okay, so you're doing real.

• 5:03Shaan Puri?

  These are big bets, but I just view them as as safe. Like, they're not like, they're not like obscure penny stocks.

• 5:08Sam Parr?

  Like Amazon or something.

• 5:09Shaan Puri?

  So what will happen is All In Podcast, love listening to it, very entertaining guys, very smart guys. I just don't think they're right a lot. And they're not right in one specific, they have one specific leak, which is that they have like an agenda, which is often, you know, either talking their own, their own book, or it's anti woke, anti left, anti big tech.

• 5:32Sam Parr?

  I make money.

• 5:34Shaan Puri?

  They like to make money, but.

• 5:35Sam Parr?

  No, and they're getting good gains.

• 5:37Shaan Puri?

  So like, you know, Jason Calcanis goes out and he says, the most likely case is Bitcoin zero. And he tweets this out and then on the All In Podcast, they're talking about crypto and all the problems with it. So guess what? I decided to buy Bitcoin that day. And then, and then Google releases its new AI model, and it has this problem where you say, show me a picture of George Washington, and it shows you a blackout.

• 5:59Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 6:00Shaan Puri?

  And they're like, Google's so woke, it's going down the drain.

• 6:03Sam Parr?

  Well, your, your year to date on Google is 41%.

• 6:06Shaan Puri?

  Uh, yeah, exactly. So easiest, easiest money to make was just to trade against the All In Podcast. So, uh, here's an example. Chamath tweets out the growing short case against Facebook. And he says, the regulation is a problem, taxes are a problem, antitrust is a problem, all this stuff. I bet on Facebook, I'm up 5X, so I made 500% on that trade. And so basically they went anti Bitcoin for a period of time, and then they, they swung back. They went anti meta, and they made this case why. Zuck was being an idiot. He was investing way too much CapEx into AR and VR. More money that had ever been invested in the development of the iPhone. It all sounds very, very smart, but my little simpleton brain went back to like, nah, I think, I think Zuck's the man.

• 6:50Shaan Puri?

  I know I spend a shit, like I have an e-commerce business. Every dollar I can spend on the Facebook ad engine, I spend.

• 6:56Sam Parr?

  Yeah. You're like begging them to take more money.

• 6:58Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Oh, iOS 14 is, it was a problem. No, no, I, I still spend more than I spent before that. Uh, and there's no better place to spend a dollar in advertising than on Facebook. The close second was Google, right? So when they went anti-Google for being woke. I bought Google when they went anti-Facebook. I went, I bought Facebook anti-Bitcoin. I bought Bitcoin. And it's just been very, very profitable for me to do this.

• 7:22Sam Parr?

  That's amazing. That's really funny. I think.

• 7:24Shaan Puri?

  It's sort of like the inverse Kramer or inverse Galloway indexes where they just, they just literally, whatever this popular, popular figurehead says, they just bet the opposite. I've basically been doing that for about two and a half years against the All In Podcast. And only now was I willing to say it.

• 7:39Sam Parr?

  Dude, by the way, I, uh, you, we had this guy on the pod who'd become a great friend of mine named Val. Him and I, he was the main guy. I was a very small investor. We bought a building in Brooklyn. I killed it on that. I think I had a 28% annual like return, not including the tax stuff. But my worst investment this year, do you remember how I said I was, remember how I bought a ranch?

• 8:00Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 8:01Sam Parr?

  I sold it this year. So stupid. Maybe I lost, I lost money because I could have used that money to invest in something that made a lot more. But I basically, uh, like kind of broke even. So it wasn't that huge of a loss. But it was so stressful and my learning is that I had this issue where I sold a company. I made money and I thought I was on top of the world and I thought I could buy. I, so I, I fully bought three different pieces of real estate intending to like turn into projects. Not one of them was great. Uh, two were bad. One was break even. And I, that's been my biggest failure is like thinking like hubris and thinking that I'm amazing. And, and also for buying real estate that you have to operate, it's just like starting a, a small business that you have to work 10 hours a week on. It sucks. It's hard.

• 8:45Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, my rule is if it's active, it has to generate more than 50%. The bar is way different. If it's passive, it could be 7%. It's fine. But if it's active, it's gotta be more than 50%. If it's active investment. And so that's why I gave you the traits. I said passive tax advantage beats the market. Right, like I had this list. If I could ever find an investment that does that. And finally, I found one.

• 9:05Sam Parr?

  I thought it would be cool to like, you know, that's like every, you know, like, that's like one of the five things that men love is like, they always say they want to own a lot of land. And I did it and I hated it. Like dude, listen to this, like I would drive up to, I had a Tesla at the time. I would be in the country and I would have these like workers come to like decide to put in a bid to pave the driveway. I would get a $70,000 quote and a $3,000 quote. Like that's, that was the delta and it was all because of the way I looked and they're like, this guy doesn't know shit. You know, like it was crazy. I got taken advantage so many times. It sucked, so I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon.

• 9:41Shaan Puri?

  And for that reason, I'm out. All right, what about worst investment?

• 9:44Sam Parr?

  That was my worst investment was, was any fully owned real estate. Any real estate that I was a investor in, I loved it. Anything that I fully owned and wanted to like make it my thing because of pride. I failed miserably.

• 9:58Shaan Puri?

  All right, my worst investment. This was a little bit hard. I did well this year, but I would say if I had to stretch back a couple of years and say, what was the first worst over the last couple of years? And I would say I made a general rookie mistake, which was I would buy on the upswing and I would sell during the panic times. Meaning I would, I would try to hedge bets or try to time markets. So when COVID happened, I thought, oh my God, the whole economy is going to shut down. And I was right for a month and then right after that stocks exploded and I was sitting on the sidelines where the stocks that I already owned started soaring and I had to buy back in at higher prices. Crypto crashed with FTX and other things.

• 10:41Shaan Puri?

  And when morale was at its lowest, my conviction was at its lowest. I behaved, I behaved like a pleb. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not proud to say it. I'm ashamed to say it. I behaved like a pleb. When, when things were bad, my conviction went low. When things were good, my conviction went high. This is the opposite way to make money. I kind of knew this, but in the moment, it was a lot harder than I expected to actually master my own psychology as an investor.

• 11:04Sam Parr?

  What is the word pleb? Are you thinking that means plebe?

• 11:09Shaan Puri?

  I say pleb.

• 11:10Sam Parr?

  Wait, really? Which one of us is wrong? I don't know which one, though. I don't have enough conviction, but you might have taken another L there.

• 11:19Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. Such a pleb, I don't even know how to say it.

• 11:22Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it sucks to be doing things that you know you would advise people not to do.

• 11:29Shaan Puri?

  In the moment, in the moment, by the way. This is why information is not power. Knowledge is not power.

• 11:34Sam Parr?

  So when COVID happened, I think it was February in San Francisco. And, you know, we were all in our apartments thinking the world was literally going to end. And I remember I, it's the only time I've ever done this. The market dropped, I think, 30%. Literally the day it was its lowest, I sold 100% of everything I owned.

• 11:55Shaan Puri?

  Exactly.

• 11:56Sam Parr?

  I thought bodies are going to pile up in New York. I thought the world's ending. And I had friends who did the opposite of me and our returns were drastically different. That was the lesson and that, like, that moment had to teach me, do not do this. You know, when Warren Buffett, he says all these smart phrases and they sound cool. And you're like, yeah, I'm in, I'm in. When the tide goes low, I could see everyone swimming naked. I'm in, that's all you gotta do. I'll be a billionaire. But then when it actually happens, it's hard. It's scary. It's emotional and I fell victim to that. And it sounds like you did too, at least once.

• 12:32Shaan Puri?

  100%. Also, during that time, I was picking, I remember between two stocks. I was like, okay, I think the future is some version of AI, but also potentially VR and AR. And I plowed a bunch of money into Unity instead of Nvidia. I was looking at the two and I was like, is it Unity or Nvidia? I should have just bet on both, but instead I picked Unity and Unity has done nothing. And Nvidia became the most valuable company in the world. So, you know, sometimes you do that too. That's also a way to lose.

• 12:58Sam Parr?

  What did, what did Unity become?

• 13:00Shaan Puri?

  I've lost like 60% of my investment on Unity. Unity's gone nowhere.

• 13:04Sam Parr?

  Is there like a threshold of like for your, what's your lowest trade? Dollar amount? Is it like $1,000 or always above 100,000?

• 13:13Shaan Puri?

  More like a hundred thousand.

• 13:15Sam Parr?

  Got it. So.

• 13:16Shaan Puri?

  I don't have like an actual minimum, but I wouldn't. I'd be going to put in a thousand dollars is it's not really like that exciting or it's kind of a waste of time. Right?

• 13:23Sam Parr?

  It depends how you look at it. Like, for example, I think stock picking is stupid, but I think that you're like, well, I spend like five grand over the couple of months, just going to the casino. Like this could be an exciting thing. Like I remember for that, when the AMC shit was going crazy, I thought it'd be fun if I was like, I was like, all right, I'll do the thing and I'll put like only a grand in just as like just to play the game and then maybe I'll talk about it on here. And it was dumb. It was stupid. It wasn't even fun.

• 13:46Shaan Puri?

  I've done that with like Dogecoin and stuff like that, but yeah, that's, that's the true gambling budget. All right, let's do the next one. Biggest L you took personally this year?

• 13:55Sam Parr?

  Dude, so my daughter was born 15 months ago and I gave myself four months to like, just be kind of lazy and not be on top of like my time management. And that like, you know, like on Thanksgiving, you're like, yes, the night before, like the cookies are being made. I could just, it's kind of the same day as Thanksgiving. It's okay if I splurge. But then like Friday happens and you're like, well, they're leftovers. I gotta eat them. And then by Sunday, you're still kind of picking out a little bit. I basically did that for like six months where I was like, pretty horrible with my time and I wasted so much time this year. And it really bothered me. And so this year I've made some changes that I'll, I'll talk about when we get to that category of like changes we're making next year. But I wasted so much time when my daughter was born and it wasn't, and this isn't like people listening being like, well, you should have downtime to hang out with her.

• 14:39Sam Parr?

  It's like, yeah, I did. I did that. I was totally present, but six months out of line when she's at their nanny and I'm still kind of like moving slow and like, you know what I mean? It was kind of.

• 14:48Shaan Puri?

  So what do you mean by wasting time? What are we talking about here?

• 14:50Sam Parr?

  I'll give you an example. So I would shift my schedule, like my workout schedule, so I could be with her in the morning. But, and, and that actually meant that she actually wouldn't get out of bed until seven. The nanny would come at nine. And so between seven and nine, I would hang out at home and then work out from, you know, nine to 10:30, which is like a pretty lazy morning for me. Versus working out what I used to do at 7:30. And so the nanny now comes at eight and I like, dude, I should have just switched to like, I can now start my day a little bit earlier, but I didn't. So I was still going to the gym later and just lounging around the house for hours, things like that. But like, there was five things where it's like accumulated where it's like, dude, four hours, five hours a day was just wasted.

• 15:28Shaan Puri?

  It sounds like you've been hard on yourself, but okay, I'll, I'll, I'll accept your L. Each man's L is his own to carry. It's a burden he carries.

• 15:36Sam Parr?

  You didn't have that where you wasted time when you had your kid? Like, it's okay, I think, to like, be lazy for a while.

• 15:41Shaan Puri?

  You just described as your unproductive day was sort of my productive day. So I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, oh, wait, so you you took care of your kid and worked out in the morning? That sounds great. It sounds like a great morning. I don't know what you're talking about.

• 15:52Sam Parr?

  It was just like, I just, I didn't get after it at all. And I found myself to be like, and also, when you have a kid, and I experienced this where I'm like, oh, nothing else matters. But you should still kind of pretend it does. So you could like, kind of be productive. And I kind of like, acted like nothing else mattered.

• 16:09Shaan Puri?

  All right. I, um, the biggest L I took, there were so many to choose from, to be honest, from, forgetting our anniversary and then trying to recover and guessing the date wrong. That was not great. And by the way, she didn't even care, which was like, oh, damn, I've lowered expectations to that, to that level. Okay, gotcha. So that was a quick L I took. Um, the whole, I don't know if you guys.

• 16:31Sam Parr?

  Wait, can you solve, can you solve this for me? For, or should anniversaries be the first time you dated or when you got married?

• 16:38Shaan Puri?

  And once you get married, it switches to the marriage anniversary is my official stance.

• 16:42Sam Parr?

  I have been trying to say that it should be dating the whole time. Because, you know what I mean? Like, sometimes it'll date for five years.

• 16:48Shaan Puri?

  You could do nothing for the marriage?

• 16:51Sam Parr?

  Fuck that. It should be when you start, when you, it should be your first date. That's what an anniversary should be, in my opinion.

• 16:56Shaan Puri?

  The first time we kissed with tongue. That's it.

• 17:00Shaan Puri?

  All right. So, um, so then another L I took was, uh, I was a, I was collateral damage to this whole, I don't know if you know about the elf in the shelf, fucking insanity. Like, I lost my wife this month. And, you know, I went to like a widow thing and they were like, what? And I was like, no, no, I just lost her to elf on the shelf. Like, this has been crazy. She's up every night for four hours preparing this elaborate, you know, elf, um, you know, setup. And then she sleeps, she has to sleep during the day. And I don't know what's happening. I don't know what, who tricked women in America into doing this, but is, um, it's like doing 75 hard, except for you wake up at two in the morning to do it. And you do it for 30 days instead.

• 17:40Sam Parr?

  What is it? So it's like a doll that stares on the shelves and like is omnipresent and watches your children so you could scare them into not doing bad stuff?

• 17:47Shaan Puri?

  So, okay, so I think their original theory was like, you get a elf comes to your house and it sits on a shelf. And in the morning it moves. And you're like, oh, my God, it moved. How, what's up with that? But women on the internet have taken this to a whole new level. It doesn't just move. It creates schemes and plots and tricks and treats. Like, you know, my kids wake up, they come downstairs. The entire living room has been turned into the floor is lava. There's fire on the ground everywhere. The tree is covered and it looks like a volcano now. The elves are hanging from the chandelier, doing crazy stuff. Or they take all of the underwear that was in all of the drawers of all of the house. And they put it all over the roof of the house. And you gotta go outside and be like, oh, my God, what do they do?

• 18:28Shaan Puri?

  So every night they create a whole, are we to get our toilet replaced? Cause they turned our toilet into a cereal bowl. And then somebody flushed and now we use Fruit Loops, just clog the toilet.

• 18:39Sam Parr?

  Wait, you just break your shit?

• 18:41Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, you just do crazy stuff. Every, every night you come up with like a giant episode of Punked by Ashton Kutcher. A huge prank occurs and that you have to come up with every night. And you buy thousands of dollars of materials because the elves have their own sized stuff.

• 18:56Sam Parr?

  Dude, if somebody had a knowing rodent in their home, causing havoc, they wouldn't put it on the shelf and say hi to it. They would kill it. What?

• 19:06Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. And so if you don't know about this, you're just like, what, what are you talking about? This is weird, strange behavior. But if you're in it, there's guys out there right now that are sort of like PTSD shakes are coming over their body. Cause they've also been experiencing this. And I don't know if I'm in the minority. I don't know if I'm in the slight minority or the majority. I don't know. I don't know how many people do this. I just know that my wife and her friends, they do this and she's in these Facebook groups with hundreds of thousands of women. And every morning they post elaborate things that they set up. And then that spurs all of them to go even crazier with it. So I'm going to say that Elf on the Shelf was one of mine.

• 19:42Sam Parr?

  Do you want to do coolest moment?

• 19:44Shaan Puri?

  All right, you give me yours.

• 19:46Sam Parr?

  This year I had to go to LA for a Hampton thing where I had to interview Rob Dyrdek in front of a bunch of people. Very randomly, someone was like, hey, I'm going to back home to LA. I'm in Austin right now. I'm going tonight. Someone mentioned that in the morning, you're going to LA. I'm with my wealthy, famous friend, who I'm not going to say. They actually have a jet and they're going to LA. Tonight and I got this text and I had committed to uh putting my baby to sleep. This was like in the first handful of months and I was like, I'm gonna be here every night. And I was like, dude, I don't want to sound like a douche and I want, you know, that was, this is the, I'm so grateful you offered me, but I can't go because you want to leave at six and I said, I'm gonna be here till eight thirty. And he was like, oh, we'll, we'll go at eight thirty. And I was like, awesome. I was like, shit.

• 20:30Sam Parr?

  Again, I don't want to be a dick, but my friend Neville is coming with me uh tomorrow morning, which he was. And I was like, I could never bail on him. And he was like, great, we have room for him. And, and it totally accommodated me. And so my best friend Neville and I flew to LA on this very wealthy, famous person's private jet. And I got to spend like three hours like learning from this guy. It was so fun and so awesome. And that was like one of my, not just because we are flying private, it was just awesome that like I got to do this adventure with my friend. That was, that was the best moment I had all year.

• 21:01Shaan Puri?

  But if you flew Southwest, would it have been the coolest moment of the year?

• 21:05Sam Parr?

  On the way back, I, because we had to change our flights, we flew Southwest next to the toilet. It was a very yin and yang situation and it was still fantastic.

• 21:14Shaan Puri?

  Okay, that one didn't win the award though.

• 21:17Sam Parr?

  That one didn't win the award, but it was fun. It's like, you know, you know, uh, you know, that meme where there's like a guy in the hoodie says like, nobody here knows, but I invested in Bitcoin in two thousand and twelve. That's like how I felt like in line at Southwest, like, you know, like they should ask me.

• 21:32Shaan Puri?

  All the way here, how'd you get here?

• 21:35Sam Parr?

  Hey, you want to know how I got here in the way here?

• 21:39Sam Parr?

  That's how it felt. I was like, somebody asked me.

• 21:42Shaan Puri?

  Oh, this is so different.

• 21:48Shaan Puri?

  Love that one. Um, okay, I'll do a quick one. I, I kind of struggled with this one. I guess I'll give you a quick one. So for Thanksgiving this year, we were gonna host it. I decided to um, do a, a, a full family vacation. So kind of like, you know, how do I? Okay, if we've done well, we've had some success, how do I make sure that that like, you know, makes everybody have a great time and that I care about in my little economy? And so I rented out this, um, this really cool house in Tahoe. I brought my whole family up to Tahoe, hired a personal chef who would cook us the Thanksgiving meal live. And I just remember there was one morning where I woke up and it was just the best morning. Like I took my dog out in the snow. My dog was like,

• 22:29Shaan Puri?

  mind blown at what snow is. So I took my dog for a walk early in the morning. It was crisp. I didn't have my phone. I didn't even know where my phone was. Came inside, my kids were all playing with their cousins and that was so cool to see. Somebody was, you know, making breakfast in the other room and I could smell it. Me and my brother-in-law, we were playing, uh, we played a game of like, horse on the little Nerf hoop that was in the house. And I just had the best morning and I just remember being like this, this was bliss. Uh, like if I could. Yeah, it ticked all my boxes, right? Like whole family living under one roof. Kids are having a blast. I'm playing a silly game on a Nerf hoop. There's not a worry in the world. We're, you know, we're not busy. We're not rushing. It was just a wonderful feeling. So I'm going to give my Tahoe morning, my coolest moment of the year.

• 23:12Sam Parr?

  The takeaway, by the way, should, I've done that for two years now. I did the first time, I think last year. I, when I was doing best moments, I was like, it was either what I just said, or this thing. Taking family and just paying for it. And it sounds like a ridiculous and it's very expensive and it's very challenging for a lot of people, but if you can pull it off, it is almost always one of the best moments. It feels if, and the second takeaway is, the coolest moments that I think we've had for a lot of these things, it's always doing things that benefit other people somehow. Do you know what I mean? Like accommodating other people into our lives is the, it's the best feeling. It's usually not like some huge, like traditional career accomplishment. It's always like, it's always doing something cool for other people. So I agree. That's a good one that you have.

• 23:52Shaan Puri?

  Although yours was somebody flying you private, but.

• 23:55Sam Parr?

  The best, I, if, no, the best part was, uh, doing it with my friend. The fact that we got, that we had this like shared experience together. That was, that was great. All right. I've got a quick one for life hack. Do you want to know my, you want to know my, my biggest like, like life hack? That I started doing, and this is so basic to people, but on Thursday, I do this on Thursday, not on Friday, I print out. I print out everything that I have to do for the next week. And up top is my Q1 focus and goals. And that's like, you know, tell my wife how much I appreciate her every day, but also like traditional business goals and also fitness goals. And then I have what I did last week and any reflections on it. And then I have a category that says how my assistant can help me.

• 24:39Sam Parr?

  And my assistant, every morning prints this off at my house. And so it's ready for me a Monday morning. And I carry this piece of paper with me around everywhere, like during the workday. And that's what I use to make sure I'm getting shit done. I don't use Notion, I don't use Asana, I don't use any of that crap. And just having this printed out has been so much more helpful for me than any type of digital complicated shit.

• 25:00Shaan Puri?

  Totally. I have one over here on the ground. It's like I bought these, if you go buy like sketch pads, like, you know, artists or architects have, it's really high quality paper, large pads with nice pens, such an easy win to go analog instead of digital with that stuff. By the way, I think you should level it up. And you'd need like a seal of sort of some sort of coat of arms for your family. I feel like you would like that. And like either stamp, wax seal. I feel like if you just made it more prestigious, honestly, it would be kind of amusing and it would be fun.

• 25:30Sam Parr?

  Yeah, like a presidential briefing.

• 25:32Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. Like just give it a little stamp and be like, hell yeah, that's me. That's how I roll and like this is us.

• 25:38Sam Parr?

  I completely agree.

• 25:40Shaan Puri?

  So I want you to do that.

• 25:41Sam Parr?

  That's a great idea. I actually completely agree. What's yours?

• 25:45Shaan Puri?

  Okay, life hack for me, the highs and lows channel. Have I told you about this, my highs and lows channel?

• 25:51Sam Parr?

  Is that for work?

• 25:53Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, kind of. I mean, it's for everything, but I have a Slack channel. For every company, I have a Slack channel called highs and lows. And in it, anytime there's a high high in the moment of that business or a low low. So, you know, for example, on Christmas Eve, the Mexican government decided to ban all imports into Mexico of textiles, which effectively shut down my entire warehouse on Christmas Eve. And we can no longer like operate because our warehouse is in Mexico. Yeah, like two days ago. And so you're like, ah, here we are. Business can now not, our econ business has no inventory for the foreseeable future.

• 26:35Shaan Puri?

  And I've got millions of dollars of inventory sitting in a warehouse there that now is, you know, blockaded. Thank you, Mexican government, and thank you, new president of Mexico for this Christmas present. And so in the moment where I'm feeling a low, something bad happened, a lawsuit, or a big client gets lost, or someone key quits, or whatever it is, right? I go into that channel and I just type what happened. But the beautiful thing is, instead of addressing the current problem, or basking in the glory of the current high, when I go to the channel, I just see the last one that I had. Because it's right there, scrolled up. And I just see, oh, man, I had a huge low then. That feels like nothing now, right? Or I had a huge high before, that also feels like nothing now.

• 27:19Shaan Puri?

  And it is this stoic trick of the brain to basically just write down, I'm having a high, or I'm having a low right now, but in the place where I'm writing it, I see my last higher low, and the one before that, and the one before that. And it just like thermo regulates my brain. My brain says, oh, okay, it's not as bad as it seems, nor is it as good as it seems. It humbles me, or it keeps my morale high, whatever I need in that moment. And it's so effective just to have this little, simple channel.

• 27:46Sam Parr?

  Have you ever heard of negative visualization?

• 27:48Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, like sort of imagining what the worst that could happen is, the worst case scenarios.

• 27:52Sam Parr?

  It's a tool that I think it was popularized by the stoics, the famous stoics. But basically, you sit down for about five minutes, and instead of meditating, you just imagine the worst things on earth are true. Your kid is dying of cancer, your wife has already died, you're broke, like you're, you know, hurt, whatever. And then if you actually visualize that for like five or so minutes, it kind of almost feels weird. It's really strange. And then you wake up, and you open your eyes, and you go, oh, sick, none of that's true. How grateful I feel right now. And it's like a pretty useful tool. And what you're describing is very similar to that.

• 28:25Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, except for this is, these were real moments that I remember, and like I have evidence of, versus trying to do this exercise. I mean, this is, I'm saving people thousands of dollars in therapy. If you just create a little highs and lows channel, you'll therapy yourself. Because you'll go in and it'll, you'll remember, I've been high before, I've been low before. And either way, I walk out, it's that Richard Kipling poem. I treat triumph and disaster, I treat those two imposters the same. And this has been the fastest, most effective way to do it.

• 28:54Sam Parr?

  Dude, that reminds, you know, one of my, I think Conor McGregor has taken a fall from grace. I really don't like him anymore, but he has a lot of like amazing things that he says that I buy into. And he's got this one thing. Do you remember? Have you ever seen what he says about having the same attitude in victory or defeat?

• 29:08Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 29:09Sam Parr?

  What is it? What does he say? Would you know the exact line?

• 29:13Shaan Puri?

  Um, he, he basically says, um, I forgot what it was. It was like, you know, humble in victory and something, you know, something in defeat, which is, by the way, not what he does at all anymore. But yeah, that was his original, original thesis. I'll look it up.

• 29:28Sam Parr?

  Uh, yeah, like I think last time he lost, he, in the octagon, he was telling the opponent.

• 29:33Shaan Puri?

  Humble in victory, humble in defeat. And, and actually, last time he lost.

• 29:37Sam Parr?

  He was telling the man's wife that he like, you know, she was cheating on him.

• 29:41Shaan Puri?

  Your, your wife is in my DMs. Your wife is in my DMs. So he says, by the way, this is the full quote though.

• 29:49Sam Parr?

  He should learn for some Conor McGregor quotes.

• 29:52Shaan Puri?

  I really want to create a compilation and just show it to him and be like, dude, you'll, you'll love this guy. And just see if it, see if I'm reaching. So this is McGregor back when we both loved him. I am cocky in prediction. I am confident in preparation, but I am always humble in victory or defeat.

• 30:06Sam Parr?

  It's the best, right?

• 30:07Shaan Puri?

  There you go. Right? So we did life act. Let's do now number eight, only four left. Number eight, Billy of the year. Who is our Billy of the year? We do this segment called Billy of the week where we profile just a big baller shock caller, somebody who is either a billionaire or just making big moves. Who do you think was making the biggest of the big moves this year? So my pick is not gonna sound sexy, but I'll make a case.

• 30:33Shaan Puri?

  Do you know, I don't know if this ever happened to you, but in high school, sophomore year, and everybody has their place in the social hierarchy. You know, who the nerds are, you know who the jocks are, you know, who the theater kids are, you know, who's the glue guys that could fit in with everybody. And then you all leave for the summer. But then there's always that one kid who leaves for the summer and they get that little second puberty bump. They get that extra, you know, four inches of height. They start growing a little facial hair. They, they start working out all summer because their cousin came into town and taught him how to work out. You know, they picked up a hobby. They learned the guitar or they start, you know, doing MMA or something like that. And then, and they start dressing differently. And you hear rumors that they hooked up with like a college girl during the summer and they had like a fling and then they come back and they're just a whole new guy.

• 31:17Sam Parr?

  And there's like a conversation. It's like, is, is Greg cool now?

• 31:21Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. And undeniably Greg is cool. Mark Zuckerberg pulled a Greg this year. So here's the case for Zuck. His stock is up 500%, 500% in the last 24 months. He's gained $100 billion of net worth. He is now the third richest man in the world, but more than that, he's not just one of the rich guys, right? Cause that, that criteria would apply to Elon, it 'd apply to Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates. There's other guys who are super rich. He found a hobby that he loves and it got him into tremendous shape. Zuck started doing MMA, jujitsu, uh, striking. And now Zuck is fit. He's ripped. He's got a hobby that he loves that takes his mind off of work. He is playing the world's most competitive game, which is the AI game. And I don't know how much you followed this, but Zuck had a, a, a judo

• 32:05Shaan Puri?

  flip, basically. He had a differentiated way to win. Uh, you know, OpenAI was in front and Google had DeepMind and Zuck came out and open sourced all of their, their models and created an open source competitor to basically compete in this market. And he's doing extremely well there. He went from a robot to a cool guy. He's like dresses like a cool guy now and has like a cool guy haircut. So he, he did like a personal style upgrade. He, you know, he's not like, you know, Elon's on his, uh, you know, third or fourth failed marriage, you know, 11 kids from three different women.

• 32:34Sam Parr?

  Same woman since college.

• 32:36Shaan Puri?

  Zuck's got his college sweetheart, got his daughters, you know, appears to be a really great dad by all accounts. And I just respect that. I just respect that he's had this all around game.

• 32:46Sam Parr?

  Agreed.

• 32:47Shaan Puri?

  Right? He's just had this really strong floor game where he's just covered all the bases of what I consider to be a really good life. He's doing what he loves on and off the court and, um, You know, is this lame to say Mark Zuckerberg, but I gotta say Mark Zuckerberg.

• 33:01Sam Parr?

  He, uh, have you like, you, you don't know about running, but he ran a 5K time. Uh, he ran a 5K recently and he ran it in 19 minutes. That's really fit. He's like really fit. Did you see that post where he talked about his Murph? His Murph time?

• 33:16Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, the Murph, he did insane Murph.

• 33:18Sam Parr?

  Dude, it was really fast.

• 33:19Shaan Puri?

  Like he's, he's not like one of these like, you know, like Vince McMahon is like 80 years old. It's like weirdly like old jacked or like, you know, Joe Rogan has this too, where they have this like really weird body. Cause they're taking like TRT like crazy. It's like, oh, these people have these weird Ozempic bodies or TRT bodies.

• 33:35Sam Parr?

  No.

• 33:36Shaan Puri?

  He's, he's just like worked out a lot and ate good.

• 33:39Sam Parr?

  Yeah. He like eats an apple and chicken. Like he, he looks great. You know what I mean? He looks great. Yeah, that's a great one. And he's, um, I really like his wife. She's turned into like this kind of, uh, I don't know, like thought leader, Michelle Obama-y like, you know, like she's kind of hip and cool. And I care about her opinion a lot. Like she's kind of like a, a little bit of a tastemaker.

• 33:59Shaan Puri?

  How do you even know this? Because I, what I love about her is that she's not out there trying to get limelight. She's not doing anything that's public, right? She does a lot of stuff in private with their foundation, but.

• 34:07Sam Parr?

  I've seen her talk at, at, uh, uh, conferences and then I also, Zuck's been going to UFC and they'll show her in the background. Uh, at, and then one of the fighters is like, she, or she'll be like, hey, that choke was cool. And he'll be like, do you want to learn it? And she'll be like, yeah. And so she like comes to like, puts the guy in a choke. Like she just kind of like in it and she just doesn't seem, you know how like people love Princess Di? Cause she was like, uh, you know, woman of the people. It's, she kind of has that vibe a little bit and I, I appreciate that.

• 34:33Shaan Puri?

  I have not seen that, uh, but I have seen like they, there was like an interview recently where somebody was like following him around for the day. And she was there and she was just so down to earth and cool and was like making fun of him, but in a like, you know, like, you know, when couples are together and it's like, you could tell that they have fun together, but you could also tell that they don't hate each other. It's like, you can make fun of somebody without being like really bitter on the inside.

• 34:53Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 34:54Shaan Puri?

  I just thought like the vibe I got, who knows? It was just a little clip, but the vibe I got was. It was great.

• 35:01Sam Parr?

  Um, so mine was, uh, do you remember meetup.com's founder Scott? Is it Hyferman?

• 35:08Shaan Puri?

  The Heffer.

• 35:08Sam Parr?

  Heffer?

• 35:09Shaan Puri?

  Let's call him the Heffer.

• 35:10Sam Parr?

  So, so the, the, the short of it is, the story is basically this guy named Scott. He started, um, a digital ad company that he sold for like $15 million, enough to get like very wealthy as a 28 year old. He leaves tech and he goes and he joins McDonald's and he works at McDonald's as a, you know, a cashier or something like that. And people like actually noticed him and someone wrote, I think Fast Company wrote an article and they're like, what the hell are you doing? And he's like, dude, I've been around ad executives for the last 10 years or 15 or, you know, five years I've been around tech people. I needed to get out of my bubble. And so I just went and worked at McDonald's and I learned it's really hard work and I'm so thankful that I am where I am and I'm going to go back to that.

• 35:49Shaan Puri?

  He didn't just do it for like a day. This wasn't like a field trip. Like he, he actually worked there for like months and months.

• 35:55Sam Parr?

  Yeah. And he worked there and then he left and he started meetup.com, which I think eventually was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, sold it. And as of late, if you go to his LinkedIn, he has not made an ordeal out of this. This is all other people like us talking about it and making an ordeal out of, of it. But now he's an Amazon warehouse worker and he's working in the Amazon warehouse and he kind of is doing the exact same thing. And I think that's so baller that he's doing that and so baller that he is not doing it for PR. It's like some soul searching thing and I think it's fantastic. I think it's pretty badass. So he was kind of, I don't, he's not actually a billionaire, but he's quite wealthy, I would imagine.

• 36:33Shaan Puri?

  It's that Billy, it's that Billy mindset.

• 36:35Sam Parr?

  It's that Billy, he's got that, he's got B energy.

• 36:37Shaan Puri?

  Living life on your own terms. He, he is doing that. Love it. Okay. That's a good one. That's a good pull.

• 36:43Sam Parr?

  All right. Uh, what's next?

• 36:45Shaan Puri?

  Now this one, well, this one is frame breaking person. So we should explain this one. So both you and I love one specific thing that I don't even think other people have a word for. We call it frame breaking. Somebody who breaks your frame. Scott is a great example of this. It's somebody who lives their life or acts in a way that sort of defies your expectation, breaks your frame on what's either normal, what's acceptable, what's possible, what's cool. It's somebody who just lives differently in a way that just shatters your, your, your norm, your worldview norm. And I, I wanted to make a category for this because this is one of my favorite things when I meet somebody who's like this. So frame breaking person, who did you have this year?

• 37:23Sam Parr?

  I'll, I'll say frame breaking is this guy Brian Johnson. So Brian Johnson is the guy who wants to live forever guy. And he's frame breaking, not because he wants to live forever shit, which is definitely cool. But I hung out with him. And so for those who don't know, Brian Johnson is the guy who started a company that kind of turned into Venmo and a bunch of other things. He sold it for $500 million. And now he's spending a lot of money to try to live forever. And you see him on Instagram all the time. He said something to me. I was like, why are you doing this? You know, and we were just talking about stuff. And he goes, you know, I read this book on Magellan. And Magellan was a sailor and explorer in the 1500s or 1400s. And he basically sailed around the globe and he proved all this amazing stuff.

• 38:06Sam Parr?

  And I just thought it was so amazing. And I was starting to, and I made a list of like, the top 10, top 15 people to ever live and what their contributions were, you know, the Wright brothers with flight, the person who invented electricity or discovered electricity, like people like that. And he's like, none of them were like, rich, like, like money didn't impact people. It didn't impact the world as much. And I just thought that if I could solve like, a really hard problem and contribute to the world, I thought that that would be a life worth living. And I just decided that I'm going to try and do everything in my day to be renowned in the year 2500. He's like, in 2500, I hope to create, like, and contribute to the, to society in such a way that in 2500, they talk about me. And I thought that was

• 38:51Sam Parr?

  absolutely bananas. I don't know if I want to do that. But I thought it was so cool that he was like, I don't care about money because money, and I was like, he's like that, he's like, who was the richest person 500 years ago? I was like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. He's like, yeah, that's my point. But you've heard of Magellan. And so I thought it was such a frame breaking moment for me to like, hear his reasoning as to why he's trying to do what he's doing, which is prolong death or solve for death. He's like, if I solve that, would you say that will, I'll be remembered? I was like, yeah, yeah, you will. And he's like, that's how I want to spend my day.

• 39:21Shaan Puri?

  That's an amazing answer. I love that he did that. Just all the things you just said, making a list of the 15 most impactful or influential people ever. What a list. I think I want to go do that just to even see what that was.

• 39:34Sam Parr?

  It was like, it was like, it was like Orville, it was the Wright Brothers. It was the Gutenberg press. It was Magellan. Like, there was like 10 of them. He was like, these changed the world forever. And he's like, do you know how many of them are like rich people? None. They were just like inventors or something like that.

• 39:50Shaan Puri?

  I thought you were gonna say Orville Redenbacher. And I was like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna complain if that's the, if he's on the list. Okay, so my answer for frame breaking person is Nick Gray.

• 40:03Sam Parr?

  I could see that.

• 40:04Shaan Puri?

  This is gonna be a answer, but it's my true answer. This is my truth, and I'm gonna speak by truth. It's not Elon Musk. It's somebody I met, I hung out with. I had a flight, so I went and spoke at this event, and they, they were like, hey, we'll fly you private. And I was like, oh, cool. And Nick was going to the same place as I was. He's like, hey, can I come with you? And I was like, yeah, no problem. That'd be great.

• 40:26Sam Parr?

  Nick was the same in that situation.

• 40:29Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. So I was like one on one with him for like five hours or something. I don't know, you know, which is, that's a long time, that's a long conversation. That's like more time than I spent talking to most people, right? And I walked away, and I'll just gonna read you my text to my sister after I hung out with Nick. So I hung out with Nick. I tried to play cool. And afterwards, I get off the plane, I go, I just hung out with a guy who has such a zest for life. I go, I've hung out with a lot of rich people, but this guy's rich in a different way. He is rich in social wealth. He's got tons of friends. He is rich in amusement. I feel like everything he does in a way, everything he does in a day amuses him, and he's doing it on his terms. I go, he is corny

• 41:11Shaan Puri?

  and totally himself in the best way possible. And I just want to tell you a couple of the things that just stood out to me, like prolific things this guy did this year. So we've talked about the Tokyo blind date, where he says, I want to go to Tokyo, but I don't want to go alone. Fill out this Google form, and I want to take one person on a blind date with me to Tokyo. And he gets thousands of responses. He picks a girl. He almost falls in love on this date. He does the whole thing publicly, and it goes viral. This guy's having fun. The next thing he does, he goes to India. He stays in India for like a month. And I'm like, what are you doing in India? I'm Indian. I haven't been to India for a month in like 10 years. And he's like, oh, I just love the culture. I just wanted to go. I know I have a couple of friends that I've met in other travels. I just want to go visit their hometown. And so he goes to these like remote towns in India. He's learning their way of life and their foods and all this stuff. And he's blogging about it.

• 41:54Shaan Puri?

  And he knows that in India, one of the ways that people like they don't have hinge or Tinder in the same way, like the the old school way in India is you run what's called a matrimonial ad in the newspaper. So this is how my mom met my dad, which was, uh, my dad runs an ad. It says, you know, um, 21 years old, six feet tall, you know, have a bachelor's degree in engineering. Uh, you know, good head of hair, comes from a good family, that sort of thing. And Nick finds this so amusing. He's like, I gotta do this. So he runs a matrimonial ad. And actually, he starts A B testing different matrimonial ads and he's showing them to me. It's like 5'9", full set of teeth. It's like, you know, like, he was has a blog.

• 42:37Sam Parr?

  At one point, he was like, how do I make sure that she's like fit and like not like crazy overweight? And I was like, we were like, uh, like, could you like, but like, I have to be able to lift you on my like, I want to be able to lift you on my shoulders. Like, I'm not strong.

• 42:52Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. So starts running these ads, but he's not running it like as a prank. He was genuinely curious and interested to see what would and he just, he just over and over again, had these little life experiments and just followed. He just, I, the way I text my sister, I go, I feel like he's just taking the bounce of the ball of life. And he's just going with it. So for example, I'm like, dude, you should like start a YouTube channel or something. He goes, oh, I have one. I go, what? I've never seen it. And he shows me his YouTube channel. Do you know what his YouTube channel is?

• 43:19Sam Parr?

  I've watched the videos, but what do you mean? What it, what it is?

• 43:21Shaan Puri?

  It's reviews of like cruise ships, of which bedrooms he likes on cruise ships because he likes cruises. And guess what? All his followers are old people who retire and go on cruises. And they're like, thanks. I'm going on. It's cruise next year. I've retired. I'm 74. I, I was wondering if the bathrooms come with the vanity kit and like, sure enough, that's what, but he's so into it that he just, Said the best product is you pushed out. And that to me is Nick Gray. Nick Gray, he just took himself and flipped himself inside out. He was pushing himself out in the world. And if you love it, if you hate it, he really could care less. It seems like, and I just found it, I don't know, very like eye opening to see somebody who is their own corny self on on full blast.

• 44:03Shaan Puri?

  And I really admire that. For example, he's, I'm interested in stocks, he's interested in stocks, but the way he's interested in stocks is different. He is a huge fan of one stock. You know, the one.

• 44:14Sam Parr?

  Uh, CloudFlare.

• 44:16Shaan Puri?

  CloudFlare. He hosts his birthday party at CloudFlare. He creates a WhatsApp group of other CloudFlare believers. And every earnings call, he texts the group and he says like, you know, I hope the earnings gods are with us today. I'm feeling lucky. I'm wearing this and I'm just, I, I, I'm ready for all that this Q2 call brings us.

• 44:35Sam Parr?

  And he's Dude, listen to what he did.

• 44:37Shaan Puri?

  This whole group.

• 44:38Sam Parr?

  He, he, you know, I, I met Nick Gray because we were all bloggers like 10 years ago. And he, you know, there's like 30 of us friends who are bloggers. He went to each of us and he goes, I noticed your website is hosted on whatever, GoDaddy, this or that. Would it be okay if my assistant transferred your account from GoDaddy to CloudFlare? Well, do it completely for free. And in fact, the hosting property or the hosting thing that you have, they're charging you a hundred dollars a month. CloudFlare was going to charge you $40 a month. I went and got a deal. I was like, why are you doing this? He goes, because I'm a shareholder of CloudFlare and I need you guys to start using it because I think you're going to love it even more. Dude, I swear to God, he switched my blog to CloudFlare for free and now I'm saving uh, $600 a year.

• 45:22Shaan Puri?

  He's like a shareholder of his own life in a way that I am not. He's like an activist shareholder. It's like, he, he was like, what are the best gyms? That have swimming pools and saunas in New York? And he found them and they were super busy. But what he realized was that the, all the gyms had poor SEO. And when he was Googling for best gym and sauna, like nothing was really coming up. And so what he did was he started writing blogs about other gyms as if they had the best pool and sauna, not the one that was near him that actually did. That it would go down in the rankings and be less busy so that he would have it more to himself. And these are just like little life experiments he was doing and he made millions of dollars doing this too because

• 46:03Shaan Puri?

  he loved museums. So he created a business about renegade museum tours. Where he would take you on his own tour because museums were boring and he's not boring and he would take you on his own tour. Unofficially, not a part of the museum, ended up selling that for millions of dollars. He like, we did the thing about his gag at the party. We're on the way out. He's like, hey, Sean. Call my phone. I've got a gag.

• 46:26Sam Parr?

  A gag?

• 46:28Shaan Puri?

  He's like, yeah, I have a gag I want to do, a little bit. I'm like, a bit? Are you a comedian? What's going on? And then I call his phone and he whips out this phone case that's it looks like a butcher's knife, like a machete. And he puts it up to his ear and goes, hello? And he just wanted to make us laugh. And I'm like, this guy just goes through life trying to make himself a laugh. The last text I sent my sister, I go, it's like he, you know, the movie Limitless, it's like, it's like he took the limitless pill, but instead of it getting, he didn't give him any superpowers. He just is using that pill to enjoy his life in a way that's where the rest of us are not. And so he broke my frame.

• 47:02Sam Parr?

  Our friend Sahil, Sahil Bloom, um, he's got this new shtick where he shares like texts, like, he's like in these group chats and I guess he'll say like some inspirational shit and then he'll like, he'll tweet it out. He's like, here's what I shared with this chat. And it's like,

• 47:16Shaan Puri?

  Like a realization this morning.

• 47:18Sam Parr?

  First of all,

• 47:19Shaan Puri?

  enemy.

• 47:20Sam Parr?

  I have to say, I love Sahil. So I'm saying this with love, but he'll say some like, yeah, like live, laugh, love for dudes type of shit. And like, you know, like, you know, the thing about wisdom is that you only earn it through like hardship, like, you know, whatever. And then some guy retweeted, he goes, bro, if a dude said this in my group chat, he's getting kicked out right away.

• 47:41Sam Parr?

  And your sister's reply to that is like, like,

• 47:46Shaan Puri?

  She went to, she went to his blog and was just like, he looks funny. And then moved on with life. I was like, I just typed you like, an essay about how this man changed my life. And she's like, I Google image searched him.

• 47:57Sam Parr?

  You're like, dude, do you like Oprah? Cause I'm doing some Oprah level shit right here. And she just like dismissed you. Uh, that's pretty funny.

• 48:03Shaan Puri?

  Nick Ray is the man.

• 48:04Sam Parr?

  Nick Ray is the man. Are we going to do favorite guests now?

• 48:07Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, let's do, uh, best guest and then we'll do best idea, best business idea that we had on the podcast.

• 48:17Shaan Puri?

  So let's do best guest first. Who you got?

• 48:19Sam Parr?

  This is, I worked really hard not to have recency bias, but Amjad from Replit. We barely even talked about like the financials of his business, but I'm pretty sure it's like a billion dollar company, right? Or like

• 48:29Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, last, last round was like right under a billion dollars.

• 48:32Sam Parr?

  So like right, you know, he built this huge company. I think he's only 36 or 37. Crazy smart, like his blog is so good. He's not just smart. Like you talk to him like you, he like is prolific. He writes all this amazing stuff. He, he said one little small line that like I could have dismissed as like a fortune cookie thing, but he was like telling how he makes the decisions based off of what will be a better movie. But he gave like eight examples of that and I totally bought in and I thought that he was amazing. And one of the reasons was because of that, like live life to be a good movie. I thought it was fantastic.

• 49:03Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. He said, whenever I'm at a fork in the road on a decision of what to do in life, I just ask, well, we'll make the better story.

• 49:09Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 49:09Shaan Puri?

  And then I just do that one.

• 49:11Sam Parr?

  It was great. He was so fascinating. That episode on YouTube, I think it has 200,000 views. It was, it was a huge hit and it was one of those things where we were recording it and he's like, he's low energy. And oftentimes high energy people will do better because that's just whatever how people are. But, and I was like, I am enthralled by this podcast. Like a lot of times if you spend an hour and a half on Zoom, you get tired. I was totally excited at the end of that pod and he was a very low, mellow, low energy, mellow guy. And I was like, I don't know if this is going to hit or not, but I, I love it. And so it totally hit. So a lot of people thought he was amazing as well.

• 49:47Shaan Puri?

  There's almost half a million downloads across YouTube and audio on that one.

• 49:51Sam Parr?

  Oh, really? Wow.

• 49:52Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it's at 330 on YouTube. All right. So mine, I have two. One is the highest viewed episode of the year and one is the lowest viewed episode of the year. So I'll start with the obvious one, the highest viewed episode. This is the episode I did with Munish Pabri.

• 50:06Sam Parr?

  Does that have two million?

• 50:07Shaan Puri?

  I think it was. It's at two and a half million on YouTube alone.

• 50:10Sam Parr?

  Wow.

• 50:11Shaan Puri?

  So it's the first, first, first podcast episode. We're doing this for four or five years now. First podcast episode that crossed like a million on, on YouTube. So that was cool to see. But in the moment, I knew it was a banger. Like it was, I felt like it was the best, best, best podcast I've ever done. I remember preparing for it for two weeks. I flew out there. We hired a film crew. We went to his house. I went to his house the day before and hung out with him to like, kind of warm up and prep him. Like I, I gave it my absolute all for that interview and it, and it paid off. He told, he said two things that, there's three things that stood out to me about him. Uh, he gave this story on the podcast about, well, I was like, so what, all right. You've told me about Buffett. You've told me about yourself. You've told me about, you know, your friendship with Charlie Munger.

• 50:52Shaan Puri?

  Like what makes a great investor? And he basically was, he gave me the keys. He was like, um, you know, people think the money's made in the buyer, buying and the selling. It's made in the waiting. And he basically told the story about, he goes, you ever watch Seinfeld? You know that episode where Elaine? Goes on a, uh, she gets this new boyfriend and it's going great. And Elaine loves this guy and he seems so perfect. And then they go on vacation together and on the flight, she's got like snacks and a movie and like all this stuff to like entertain her. And he just sits there. He's just staring at the seat in front of him, just raw dogging it. And she's like, are you sure? You don't want like to watch this or read a book or do you want to stack? And he's like, no, I'm, I'm fine. And she's like, by the end of the flight, she's like, I gotta break up with this guy. Like this guy's a maniac. Uh, for just sitting there staring at the seat back in front of him.

• 51:37Sam Parr?

  What a brilliant, a brilliant episode idea.

• 51:40Shaan Puri?

  I know, right?

• 51:41Sam Parr?

  How do you come up with that? Just like, he's perfect. Except he stares at the seat in front of him on a flight.

• 51:46Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. She's just like, I can't do it. I can't do it. And he's like, that guy would make a great investor. If you can have fun watching the paint dry, you can be a great investor. And my takeaway was like, oh, I'm probably not going to be a great investor. Got it. Got it. It's not me. But at least I, I knew what the formula was. The other things were by, I've, the life hack of going to these people's houses for the podcast.

• 52:07Sam Parr?

  Hold on. That was a really good comment. I know what the, that ain't for me, but I know what the formula is. That's actually pretty cool.

• 52:13Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. You know, you know, the answer. Same thing with Amjad. Amjad goes, I've realized, you know, my advantage, my advantage is that I persist. I, I can push the boulder up the mountain for a long time. Like I'm just willing to endure. And I was like, oh, okay. Cool. Not going to compete with you. I can't do that.

• 52:26Sam Parr?

  You're like, I'm happy I know what it takes and I'm happy I know I don't have it.

• 52:30Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. The girl, oh, she's really into a guy who's, you know, got these traits. All right. That's not me. Nice to meet you. See you later.

• 52:39Shaan Puri?

  So going to these people's houses, I think, is just this life hack where you pick up so much of their energy and their lifestyle and their way of being. Like, I did Monish right before I did Joe Lonsdale. Joe Lonsdale, you go to his house. It's this elaborate mansion, beautiful, beautiful mansion, you know, backyard, Olympic-sized swimming pool with statues that are shooting water out of their mouth. And, and he's got like an old gun from the Victorian age. And that's like what he's into. He's got a full staff that's serving us breakfast and just like full staff that just operates in his house. And he's like a high-performance machine. And right after we left, Elon Musk was coming over for a lunch with the, you know, the senators of the, of, of, of the area. And I was like, wow,

• 53:24Shaan Puri?

  this is a lifestyle that I just, you know, broke my frame. Then I go to Monish's house and we're like, hey, can we come over? He's like, yeah, sure. Stop by. I'm like, is it okay if we come between four and 4:20? He's like, come whenever you want. And we go over and he's hanging out. He's wearing basketball shorts and his flip flops. And he just took a nap, which he does every day. And he shows us his nap room. And he's like, yeah, like, my whole job is to make, you know, a couple of great decisions a year. So I just read and I think and I just try to have a great calm state of mind. And I meet interesting people and that's all I do. I don't have to, like, go, go, go, go, go. And I don't have to meet the senators and I don't have to have. And he shows me his library where we recorded the podcast. He's got thousands of books. He's read all of them. And it was just so interesting to see these different, these different ways to

• 54:08Shaan Puri?

  win. And then you see him up close in person and that's just a very different style. Just shadowing him for a day, like with Joe Lonsdale. I went in the morning at 8:00 AM and I did the morning workout with him. And then I had breakfast with him. Then we jumped to the cold plunge. All of that before the podcast. Hanging out with these people was the real win. The podcast was just the cherry on top. So that was, that was my favorite. And then I'll also give a shout out to the lowest viewed episode of the year that I thought was amazing, which was the episode I did with Mike Posner. Also went to his house and They said the lowest views because you know, he's a rapper musician. Maybe it's not a fit with our audience. I think this guy was amazing. He was, he was an incredibly positive guy. And he had all these little micro lessons that were amazing. Two of them that stood out to me.

• 54:50Shaan Puri?

  One was, he has this phrase where he was talking about how he, he made this hit song. His first song went like quadruple platinum. And then he was always chasing that high in his twenties to do it again. The next song went double platinum, but it felt like a failure in comparison. Next song, single platinum. Oh my God, he's on this downswing. And then the next one didn't even go platinum. And he's like, the mistake I was making was, I would go to the studio, try to make a hit. And I went there to try to make a hit song. And that wasn't how I made my first hit song. First hit song, I just did what I thought was dope. And then, then I just started trying to play the game too much, trying to make hits. And I like succeeded was making something I hated. And I just thought this is such an applicable thing for business, especially for people out there who have not tasted their first big win.

• 55:34Shaan Puri?

  And all they want is a big win, or they have a big win and then they need, they feel the need to top that with their next one. And they start going to the studio to try to make a hit. And he said, at the end of the day, I figured out, I'm just going to make what's cool to me. And sometimes the whole world will agree. And I just thought that was such a dope philosophy as a creator to take, which is I'm just going to make what's dope for me. And then once in a while, the whole world will agree with me.

• 55:55Sam Parr?

  Which by the way, like very meta example here, the, the, I don't know how the audio did, but the YouTube on this did 13,000. That's like one of the lower in the past year. I listened to it and I loved it. I thought it was so good. And then the comments are, this is the best episode ever. The second comment, this was the best episode, MFM episode ever. Like people loved it in the comments and for some reason it didn't get views. That's insane. It's also good not to chase those views, I think, because this is, I thought it was fantastic. It's weird. Why do you think it didn't hit?

• 56:29Shaan Puri?

  To take his approach, doesn't matter. I just do what's cool to me and sometimes the whole world agrees and sometimes they don't. Most of the time they don't, that's okay. And so the, you know, the two examples I gave and the Monish one, okay, gets 3 million plays. In that case, the whole world agreed, but I felt the same way about the Mike Poser one. I'm proud of both of them the same because I thought they were both dope.

• 56:49Sam Parr?

  All right, last two categories, best product. What do you have?

• 56:54Shaan Puri?

  I have a lame answer. I'll go quick. It's just ChatGPT.

• 56:57Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it's pretty dope.

• 56:58Shaan Puri?

  It's the same product I would have picked last year, but it got way better. Like the same product, it's the same name, but it's a totally better product. And I also have found new ways to use it. It's almost like you got onto Hogwarts and you're learning new, like, oh, you're learning how to use your wand. It's like, oh, wow, I got, I could do that spell with it. I could do this with it. That's how AI feels to me. And I just wrote ChatGPT as my, my quick way of saying it.

• 57:20Sam Parr?

  Dude, I had a friend over, some family friends over yesterday for Christmas and he's worked at OpenAI for four years. I cornered him.

• 57:29Shaan Puri?

  Strapped him down.

• 57:32Sam Parr?

  And he's a lot smarter than me and I had my hand on his shoulder. I was like, here you go, have a seat, have a seat, sit down. Here's the computer and here's a list of questions. You want to start from the top? Let's get, let's get after it. We'll eat turkey later, but have a seat.

• 57:47Sam Parr?

  It was just Pat Riggle with questions. I think that was a, ChatGPT is a good one.

• 57:53Shaan Puri?

  What was yours? Best product?

• 57:54Sam Parr?

  This thing. It says, well, the focus, the focus is off. It's the brick. This is a $29 thing. It has some type of, I don't know, what is it called? The RFID, whatever.

• 58:05Shaan Puri?

  For the audio, audio listener, Sam's holding up a little tiny square. It's like, you know, one inch by one inch. And this is a thing that just nukes your phone.

• 58:14Sam Parr?

  It's basically, it's the size of an AirPod case and it's a piece of plastic with some type of chip in there. You download their app. I think this thing is $25. Every morning, when I'm getting ready to go to the gym, I walk by my door and I brick my phone, which means it's completely unusable other than making phone calls. So my wife can call me for an emergency, Spotify and my workout app. And so I will keep it like that until noon usually. So I can't answer texts. I can't use Slack, can't use email, no Wikipedia, no Chrome. All I could use is True Coach, which is where I have my workouts, phone call for emergency and Spotify. And it is awesome. It makes my life just a little bit better every morning. I'm a big fan of these guys. Have you ever used one?

• 58:59Shaan Puri?

  I've not used it. Um, maybe I should. That was a good case.

• 59:02Sam Parr?

  It's awesome, man. You can like, I have like a workout setting and then you could have like, um, driving settings. So you could just make it like YouTube and like I listen to podcasts on YouTube. Uh, so you have YouTube and maps available. Like that's it. And so it's pretty cool. And I can't, uh, unbrick my phone unless I come home and I scan it again. And so it's a, it's pretty amazing. So that's been my best product.

• 59:25Shaan Puri?

  And is there like an emergency or like, oh, for real, for real, I need Google Maps right now? Like, is there a way to override it if you needed to?

• 59:31Sam Parr?

  Yeah, but I think you only get three times to do that. And the third time you do it, this brick that you've purchased, it's, uh, useless. And so it's just like, oh, but I bought that thing for $30. I want it to work. Like that type of like, uh, uh, resistance is just enough.

• 59:48Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I don't know if I'm built for that level of self-discipline. You know, back in the day, I bought that, um, wristband called Pavlok, which is basically like Pavlovian training for yourself. So it's a wristband where you electrocute yourself. Uh, you get a slight, you get a small electric shock. Not actually that small, but you get electric shock in your arm.

• 1:00:06Sam Parr?

  It kind of hurt.

• 1:00:07Shaan Puri?

  When you do something.

• 1:00:08Sam Parr?

  It was like, ow.

• 1:00:09Shaan Puri?

  But, uh, you know, I was using it for my diet and it's like, okay, I'm gonna eat this piece of pizza. And then I gotta like voluntarily push this button to like shock myself. And I just didn't. And instead, all I use it for was just a conversation piece. Like I'd be somewhere, be like, what's that? I'd be like, oh, try this on, watch this. And it became my party trick.

• 1:00:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Shaan Puri?

  To be cool instead of having anything to do.

• 1:00:29Sam Parr?

  Check it out. I'm a freak. I'm unique.

• 1:00:31Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. Like, so you use it? I'm like, no, no, no.

• 1:00:36Shaan Puri?

  Does it work? I have no idea. Don't even try.

• 1:00:40Sam Parr?

  What's, um,

• 1:00:40Shaan Puri?

  The hell if I know.

• 1:00:41Sam Parr?

  Yeah, you gotta, you should try this. It's pretty awesome. And then the change that you're gonna make next year, uh, mine's, mine's fast. Um, I'm getting an office. Uh, I'm sick of like working from home all the time. Yeah, like I, it's, it's cool a few days a week, uh, I guess. And it's cool when you have to do it. Uh, but yeah, I, we're getting an office. I'm getting an office. Uh, I need to be around people. It's just like, you know, even when business is going well, you're like, yeah, let's get on a Zoom and, uh,

• 1:01:09Shaan Puri?

  But your company is remote. So you're gonna get an office and then there's local people or what do you?

• 1:01:13Sam Parr?

  We have 20 employees and like 11 of them are in New York City. So we have enough. Uh, and so we're

• 1:01:20Shaan Puri?

  But you're not in New York. So what are you gonna do?

• 1:01:21Sam Parr?

  I live an hour away, so I'll just go three days a week.

• 1:01:24Shaan Puri?

  Oh my God, what a horrible decision. Do I have to talk my friend out of signing up for a voluntary two hours of commuting a day? Do I need to show him the statistics that show how much you hate your life?

• 1:01:34Sam Parr?

  Dude, but what's the, like, the alternative is that I'm just like in my kitchen and it's like I celebrate with an emoji, you know, like just lame.

• 1:01:41Shaan Puri?

  I let you break your phone. I let you care about dressing up. I let you do all these things that, you know, they're, they're self harm, but I let you do it because there's some greater good. Commuting two hours a day is a horrible idea.

• 1:01:56Sam Parr?

  Dude, what, how often do you, when was the last time you saw a coworker? I guess you work with your wife. That doesn't count.

• 1:02:01Shaan Puri?

  Here's what I did, which was way more genius. Diego, who's on this call right now, who helps me with all my content, he lived in Baltimore as of a month ago. And then I called Diego and I said, hey, Diego, how would you like to live within 10 minutes of me? And he's like, I'd be down. And I go, cool. How do we do that in the next two weeks? He's like, I guess I'd have to figure out a way to transport my dog. And then he quit his job. Are you not quitting his job? His wife quit her job. He broke his lease. He rented an RV and drove across the country in seven days. And now he lives within 10 minutes of me and we see each other every day. We transformed my garage into an office for ourselves. And it's great. And that's the way to do it.

• 1:02:41Sam Parr?

  Wait, so is, is the expectation that he's going to live in an RV for an extended period of time or is he going to rent a house?

• 1:02:48Shaan Puri?

  He got an apartment nearby and lives in a cool place. And I told him, I said, hey, you're moving to California. So here's a pay raise to cover the cost of your move and the, and the higher cost of living out here. And come live in California. Who wants to be in Baltimore, bro? And come, come hang out with me. It's going to be way more fun.

• 1:03:05Sam Parr?

  And yeah, that's a good idea.

• 1:03:07Shaan Puri?

  We agreed to do it.

• 1:03:08Sam Parr?

  Was it weird after not doing that for three years or whatever?

• 1:03:12Shaan Puri?

  Well, the weird part is like, I realized how. How distracted my schedule is because like he'll come over and we're supposed to work. And then it'll be like, oh, but I gotta like go drop off my kid at school that I gotta come back. Then my trainer comes over and then I work again. And then like my kid wants to play like Jenga for a second. So like be right back. And I realizing, oh, you know, when somebody else is there, you're acutely aware that like, wait, hold on. I'm taking a break here and how many of those mini breaks I had. So I had to kind of rejigger that to be a little more focused time. But honestly, it was like, well, it's just better. It's like all, all the times we would be doing calls, us being in person during those, even if it's not perfect. So, so, you know, for example, sometimes he just comes and works out of the office, even before I'm there. I'm dropping my kids off, but he's just there. He just treats it like an office.

• 1:03:56Shaan Puri?

  And then we just happen to be there together a bunch of times. But the key for me is I don't have 20 people, right? So I could do this with, because I have two people on my team and that's all I need.

• 1:04:04Sam Parr?

  Yeah, yeah, I, I might do it in Westport where I live, but I, you know, where I work out most days is the library. Dude, I'm in the library and it's just like me and then like 16 year old girls.

• 1:04:16Shaan Puri?

  Exercise?

• 1:04:16Sam Parr?

  No, like tat, like type on my computer. Like, it's like, I, I freaking love the library. I work out of the library all the time and.

• 1:04:23Shaan Puri?

  Libraries have a great vibe.

• 1:04:25Sam Parr?

  Dude, it's so much better than like a coffee shop or a WeWork. Libraries are great. There's a, there, you and I were in Entrepreneur Magazine last year and they have a copy of it. Like they have like a magazine section and, uh, you know, I definitely move that magazine to the front. And every once in a while I'll read it. I'm like.

• 1:04:44Shaan Puri?

  But we're not on the cover, right? Are we on the inside? Do you have to open it up?

• 1:04:47Sam Parr?

  I gotta open it up and when people walk by, I gotta be like, who's that guy in the magazine? Is he right there? Oh, what?

• 1:04:58Shaan Puri?

  It's him from page 16.

• 1:05:00Sam Parr?

  Whoa, did you, did you just ask me if, yeah, it is. No, I like the library. What, what's yours?

• 1:05:07Shaan Puri?

  Okay, the library is a great one. What category are we even on?

• 1:05:11Sam Parr?

  Change you're making.

• 1:05:13Shaan Puri?

  Oh, change I'm making. This is gonna sound stupid, but it's not for me. I'm all in on music this year. I decided that I want to be, I want to do more music stuff. And so I picked up piano again, playing. And I, so I basically hired somebody to come teach me piano because I did it like in seventh grade and I can play like for a lease and that's it.

• 1:05:35Sam Parr?

  How many lessons are you in?

• 1:05:37Shaan Puri?

  I'm starting next week and the second one is I hired a guy because I've always like you can now make like most music is now made on a computer. And I'm like, oh yeah, I know computers, but I don't know how to make music on a computer. And I kind of want to see what's like the latest and greatest of that. So I hired somebody who's like, you know, those people that know how to like make songs on a computer.

• 1:05:55Sam Parr?

  Are you talking about like?

• 1:05:55Shaan Puri?

  I'm hiring one of them.

• 1:05:56Sam Parr?

  Like beats or like you're going to like record a cover?

• 1:06:00Shaan Puri?

  Whole songs.

• 1:06:00Sam Parr?

  You want to write or you want to cover? Original.

• 1:06:03Shaan Puri?

  Start with covers. Yeah. Start with covers always and then, and then learn to make an original song. That'll be really fun. And so I, and the reason why is, well, the reason why is because it's fun. Uh, but two, I, uh, two things are happening. One, AI is making it easier and easier to make art. And software and things that I, things that were previously off limits or took, would take a lot of skill to be able to do something cool. Now a little bit of coding skill lets you do a lot and a little bit of music skill can do a lot using, using these new tools.

• 1:06:37Shaan Puri?

  But also I've, just like I have a gym I go to for my physical body. I want a creative gym. And I got this idea from Tim Ferriss. He was talking about how one of the ways he, he keeps his mind right. And stays in like an awesome state of mind and is able to produce great content and be really creative. He works out his creativity. He's like, and it doesn't have to be in the thing I'm doing. So if I'm writing a book, it doesn't have to be that I have to just practice writing. He's like, I might paint or do drawing or calligraphy or archery or anything that is sort of like a, a creative gym session.

• 1:07:09Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Shaan Puri?

  And I do that in the morning and he's like, it's like when you go to the gym and then suddenly you have more energy and you're performing better at, at work. Why is that? Same thing with a creative gym session. So I, I like that idea. And I thought, oh yeah, this is something I could see more people doing in the future. It makes sense to me. I'm going to start doing this just the way I, I go to the gym in the morning. I'm going to go to the creative gym, you know, two or three times a week. And start doing something that's highly creative.

• 1:07:33Sam Parr?

  Dude, that's so good. I think that's fantastic. You know, um, you know, Sarah takes, my wife, she takes piano and singing class, classes, like lessons.

• 1:07:41Shaan Puri?

  She's on top of it.

• 1:07:42Sam Parr?

  You guys can, can vibe out, but what I'm trying to encourage her to do is sign up for some type of open mic night or just like something where it's like a, you could have like a recital.

• 1:07:51Shaan Puri?

  Well, dude, I got inspired by my cousin. He did this. So I was like, oh, I'm going to do this. And then it's so funny, when you put it out there, people start just giving you clues on how to win. So my sister was like, oh yeah. Do you know our cousin Neil? He does that. He's hired a piano coach. He's doing it all the time. And then he went to an old folks home and he performs there once a week as his recital. And it gives them so much joy. And I'm like, wow, what a great win. A low stakes way to have a performance.

• 1:08:17Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Shaan Puri?

  That brings other people joy and it's just like so wholesome. I was like, wow, what a great idea.

• 1:08:21Sam Parr?

  When you're, in my opinion, when you're doing these new things, you need like a capstone, you need like an essay, you need some type of beginning, middle and end of like, all right, I have now achieved level one. It's like, that's kind of why karate is kind of cool because there's belts. Like you need some type of like.

• 1:08:37Shaan Puri?

  Cause you break the wood board at the end.

• 1:08:39Sam Parr?

  Well, there's like, it was like a belt, like where it's like, all right, I am working towards this. Nice. I crossed the threshold. Next.

• 1:08:45Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 1:08:45Sam Parr?

  Like that framework is I think a very helpful, you know, with writing, it's like, I want to publish a book. It is published. Like, you know, there's some type of like, uh, destination. I think that that would be cool. That would be cool for you. And I think it's by the way, great. Like you, you get, you, you and other people tease me for, I, I like clothing. It's, it's the same shit. It's just like some type of creative, like there's no money. There's like, it's about the journey. That type of like vibe and it is exciting to like, you know, beauty and art, like that shit feels good on the soul. I think it's great that you're doing this. I think that it would be really fun if you had some type of capstone project thing.

• 1:09:20Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. The other thing I'm doing is I'm taking the Jesse Itzler 2025, like how to plan your year. And I'm actually doing it. So like yesterday I was doing his get light part where I'm cleaning out. I'm just getting rid of stuff. I'm getting light before the end of the year and closing out the year properly. I did my thanks stuff and I started writing my thank you notes. Like I'm, I'm buying in and I'm actually doing it. So if you want to hear it, go listen to the Jesse Itzler episode. I was pretty inspired by that.

• 1:09:42Sam Parr?

  Same.

• 1:09:43Shaan Puri?

  We have the calendar. A good idea.

• 1:09:45Sam Parr?

  We, we have the calendar. Uh, I, we use the calendar. So like I sit in our little area where we have the calendar. I totally use it. I think it's fantastic. Isn't it crazy how some of these things, maybe 26 and 27 year old Sam and Sean would have made fun of these things as whack?

• 1:10:01Shaan Puri?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:10:02Sam Parr?

  And now it's sort of like even like you'd be like, what is this? This is stupid. It's awesome. Isn't that funny? How we're like-

• 1:10:10Shaan Puri?

  I'm like, going to bed early is so awesome.

• 1:10:15Shaan Puri?

  I used to tell myself all kinds of stories about why I was a night owl, how those more fun, how, you know, it'd be lame to go to bed at, if a friend was going to bed at 9:30, I'd be like lame. Now I'm like jealous if I hear about my friend that goes to bed at 9:30. Like, oh, fuck, how does he do that? I need, I need to learn.

• 1:10:29Sam Parr?

  This was a great pod. What do you think?

• 1:10:31Shaan Puri?

  I think it's great. It's one of my favorite traditions. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Another great year in the books, the greatest podcast ever created.

• 1:10:38Sam Parr?

  We did something, we had to do this like ad for Spotify. And when we did it, Sean was like, you know, Spotify told us to thank you guys. But in actuality, you should be thanking us because we're the one who just did all the work to like make this content for you. But I am pretty thankful of everyone who works on the pod. I'm also thankful for the people who actually listen to this shit. Like it, like it shocks me sometimes when people come up to me still and they're like, yeah, you said this thing and this thing. And like, it made a difference to me. And I feel so much gratitude when like people do those things and I'm so happy that we're able to do this.

• 1:11:12Shaan Puri?

  All right. And on that note, that's the pod.