The 2025 UAP Hearing - Did It Move The Needle?

Would another UFO hearing before Congress change anything? Skeptics and sourpusses did their best to diminish the committee and demean the witnesses days before the latest hearing in front of the "Secrets" Task Force even convened, and social media poobahs engaged in their usual caterwauling leading up to the D. C. event, but it appears the critics were forced to eat their whiny words. Three men who have had exemplary careers with the U. S. military (one of them still active) spoke under oath about unknown craft they encountered while on active duty, and verified the very real risks that witnesses, especially whistleblowers, face for daring to speak the truth. The hearing, chaired by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, featured a lively, deadly-serious discussion about UAP encounters, a back-and-forth conversation that continued for multiple hours. The witnesses at the 2025 hearing included Jeff Nuccetelli, Alexandro Wiggins, Dylan Borland, and George Knapp, and seated with that group was potential witness Matthew Brown alongside Jeremy Corbell, who spent weeks helping the Task Force find the most credible people to testify. In this special episode of WEAPONIZED, three of the witnesses from the hearing reveal what it was like behind the scenes, how they prepared for the event, what they wish they had said, and what reactions they have received in the days since the hearing. Also joining us is Marik Von Rennenkampff to discuss a surprise video unveiled at the hearing by Rep. Eric Burlison, imagery from a U. S. spy platform, in which a Hellfire missile was unleashed on an unknown object in the skies over Yemen. Was the object a balloon as some have suggested? Did the missile bounce off of the unknown object, as the video seems to show? Also joining the discussion is Matt Brown, author of the Immaculate Constellation document, which was shared with Congress during its previous UAP hearing. Did this hearing move the needle? Did it change anything? Public reaction has been overwhelmingly positive, almost surprisingly so, but will it lead other witnesses and whistleblowers to step forward? GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Check out Matthew Brown’s SUBSTACK here https://sunofabramelin.substack.com ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:53Speaker 02

  Testimony that you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and the nothing but the truth to help you out.

• 0:58Jeremy Corbell?

  It took you a minute to give a name, but you ended up giving it.

• 1:02George Knapp?

  I have a name for you. Go ahead. Glenn Gaffney, CIA.

• 1:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Former head of science and technology of the CIA, we know is one of the gatekeepers because they stopped, he stopped the material transfer. It was his office and directly from him.

• 1:18Speaker 05

  After that missile strike, you see these three, let's call them objects, debris pop off. What's interesting to me is in infrared, they have an identical signature. I had a bit of an exchange with folks who follow this closely. Nobody's been able to find anything that replicates this as an infrared artifact.

• 1:41Jeremy Corbell?

  When we found out about this, and the night before, when I'm looking at this footage, what I don't see is the over five minutes that this was tracked after impact and those objects continue along. With the original UAP.

• 1:56Speaker 06

  Five UAP incidents occurred at Vandenberg Air Force Base. You know, behind the scenes and what these people are actually going through and how their lives are being destroyed.

• 2:06Speaker 07

  My name is Alexandro Wiggins. I'm an active duty US Navy Operations Specialist, Senior Chief Pity Officer. Yeah, to answer your question, George, yeah, it does happen often off the coast of California and San Diego specifically, where the majority of our ships are at.

• 2:20Speaker 08

  You know, the name Matthew Brown has now been prominent in two UFO hearings in front of Congress in a row. I see Matthew Brown in the audience. He courageously stepped forward and was as a witness. I encourage everybody to look and seek his testimony.

• 2:38Jeremy Corbell?

  But I think it's time people, you know, hear directly from him. So thanks for joining us, Matthew Brown. Great to have you on Weaponized again.

• 2:45Speaker 09

  Jeremy, George, great to be here. It's a sunny day and it's been a strange but rewarding week. Thanks for having me on.

• 2:59George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp, coming to you from Las Vegas. Jeremy Corbell, my friend and colleague in Parts Unknown. Jeremy, how you doing?

• 3:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Great, man. What an adventure we had in DC. A lot of work getting there, huh?

• 3:10George Knapp?

  Yeah. Have you recuperated?

• 3:12Jeremy Corbell?

  No.

• 3:14George Knapp?

  Me neither. I don't ever want to leave my house again. I mean, you know, that was a great trip and everything, but I had enough. I don't think people realize how much work went into it, you know, and not to pat you too hard on the back, but you worked with that committee staff for a long time in trying to set this up. I mean, it's a tall order, no matter who was going to testify. And there was, I tried to avoid, I don't know about you, but I tried to avoid all social media as soon as the names were announced. And all kinds of grief was dumped on people's heads. I guess the bigger surprise was Sean Kirkpatrick, who entered the fray. We could talk about that later. But, you know, you

• 3:55George Knapp?

  really did a lot of work to try to help them out. And I know, ideally, the world wants hands-on whistleblowers, people who've worked on the craft, people who've moved the bodies. Yeah, that's not easy to get, as this committee knows, and they've tried and tried to offer a lot of protections. It was sort of the point of this hearing is whistleblowers, witnesses, have a really hard time coming forward because they face genuine peril, correct?

• 4:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, and look, it was a huge success in that it was an excellent group of people testifying, yourself included, which was so cool. And you know, I now I can tell everybody kind of how that went down. And I will address this, that it's going to take a lot for people to understand how this goes down in that a lot of I nominated a lot of people, got Congress in touch with a lot of people. Some people were fully authorized. They went through the whole process, but were then unable to testify for a variety of reasons. When you get in a public hearing, unless you want to hear somebody be like in a closed session, in a classified session, in a skiff, over and over and over, you have to work with people who you know that they can say certain things.

• 5:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Obviously, Dylan had more he could say, but not in a public setting. So I will report to you that some people did testify behind closed doors. But you know, I'm always fighting against that. I want people to be able to talk openly. I know there was a lot of pressure, like who's gonna talk? And I didn't listen to anybody. I just fucking went and tried to get the best people possible to give the big picture. And I think everybody's really happy with it is what I hear word on the wash, which is great. We had solid, solid witnesses, and it was such a cool thing. It was an achievement to have that happen. And a lot of people couldn't testify publicly, but that's okay. That's part of this process and what this hearing was about.

• 5:46George Knapp?

  I know that I got a lot of, why are you testifying? You're not a whistleblower. You're not hands on. And as you know, I mean, I've been in conversation, you and I in conversation with these committee members for a long time, and have been asked about this before. And I never lobbied for this because it feels like a little bit of an odd position for journalists swearing under oath to be there testifying. But I only did it because they needed me sort of to tie some things together. These witnesses were great. And, you know, I heard complaints said, well, I've heard these guys before. It's nothing new. Look, testifying under oath before Congress, before the whole world, all those TV cameras is different from telling somebody something on a

• 6:29George Knapp?

  podcast. It's just different. I know for me, it felt like an out of body experience. You know, I'm not unused to being involved in public forums like that. That's a whole different level. And it felt really out of body. It felt like some kind of a scripted scenario that the aliens created for me or something. But I was really impressed by the committee, by the questions they asked, by their staff members who worked with you to make this happen. It was tough. I mean, right up until like two days before this thing happened, they were still saying no to one of our witnesses, right? Our witnesses, their witnesses.

• 7:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah. You know, the world's witnesses. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, just because I can talk about it freely now. Man, every hearing, there were multiple members that nominated you. That I didn't nominate you. I didn't have to. They were nominating you every time. And this time it stuck, which was so great because I think that having you there as somebody big picture could allow to create that space for some of the witnesses to be heard. And you're right, it came down to last minute. And as you said to me when I told you the final decision, I thought tooth and nail to allow and have Dylan Borland be able to testify as well as Matthew Brown. And, you know, it was just, it was literally six days

• 7:47Jeremy Corbell?

  before he got the confirmation. And there was an exchange you and I are aware of on a text. And I was like, you're making a big mistake. The public needs to hear from an actual quote unquote whistleblower who went to the ICIG, who went through the process to multiple intelligence agencies. And they chose Dylan to their credit. Representative Luna, Representative Burleson, they fought to get him to allow him to testify. There were a number of people, you know, we brought that you didn't hear from and you're gonna hear from them in time. One will be coming sooner. But, look, man, it was an excellent, excellent hearing. I haven't gone back and looked at it. And it is like an out of body experience. I don't, I didn't hear everything because at the time, I'm literally in real

• 8:30Jeremy Corbell?

  time dealing, you know, with the questions being asked and trying to figure out what's going on. But it was an epic success for the UFO issue. Again, in 50 years, we didn't have hearings. Now we've had our third or fourth or something. Amazing.

• 8:45George Knapp?

  I know for me, I mean, someday, the story can be told about the hilarity that ensued in my preparations because when I finally realized, okay, it's gonna happen this time. Holy crap, what am I gonna say? I start looking around. You think my, my room looks bad normally? I mean,

• 9:02George Knapp?

  Uh, I started looking for example, for the Russian documents and you know, those boxes back there, the labels are sometimes misleading in that I keep things in other places, you know, and just for security purposes, so they don't walk off. I searched for three days for some of that Russian stuff and finally found it in a very out of the way place and and had to text it to him. And then the writing, the thing, you know, I know this is totally unlike me to write 50 minutes worth of stuff for a five minute window, but I did and then rewrote it and rewrote it again. You had me stuck in a hotel room. You can't leave until you finish this. I was writing it. I wrote it six different times and

• 9:44George Knapp?

  and I was rewriting it in the car, in the Uber on the way to the hearing. I have to tell you, my scrawl is pretty bad, pretty illegible, and I'm sitting there in front of Congress and looking at this. What the hell did I write here? And what language is that? It's like Sanskrit or ancient Babylonian or something. I couldn't, I couldn't read it, but we'll save that for some comedy roast at some point.

• 10:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, you should, you know, it was a lot of people were ready, but they didn't get that final confirmation. It was, it was chaos. So I'm so glad it worked out the way it did. I'm so proud of all of you and we're going to be hearing, you know, from the people that testified today. And I think that's exciting is to kind of get their reactions. I'm very proud of the way that everybody buttoned up, got it together. And despite the kind of fear of being so vulnerable publicly, you know, we forget that when you talk about this stuff. I mean, you get lots of slings and arrows and I just, I'm so happy. Everybody did it. Great. Now there was another thing that happened at the hearing that there's some background to, and I think we'll get out to that in the end of this episode. I'll give you the background.

• 10:50Jeremy Corbell?

  But there was a new piece of alleged UAP footage.

• 10:54George Knapp?

  What do we like about, what do we've talked about on this show before?

• 10:57Jeremy Corbell?

  We have, yeah, I was looking for like where we talked about it because I went two years ago. I'm on with Joe Rogan and I'm telling him about shoot downs and oh, did I get shit for that? And I was talking about in Syria and all this stuff, but there was another time when I, I do remember mentioning it, that there was a recent shootout because we found out about it, you know, probably just days after it happened. It was a big deal in the IC. This video, we see other countries firing on these.

• 11:24Jeremy Corbell?

  Russia, Syria, we know it's not their assets. So the question is, whose are these? So when you say firing at these, so- Hellfire missiles. Right.

• 11:33George Knapp?

  So we're sending a plane up to take a look.

• 11:36Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 11:36George Knapp?

  Maybe get a better look or even some imagery, but not to engage, meaning shoot it down. Shoot a sidewinder at it or something.

• 11:43Speaker 09

  Right, I would, you know, I'm not gonna be able to say that's never happened, but I have, I have not seen them engaged, uh, yeah, with weapons.

• 11:54Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, it recently happened and we became aware of one. More details on that, I think, we'll report on. And what happened was the missile, quote, bounced off. And so they're trying to figure that out, but you know, what does that imply? Like a field around it, I don't know. Now, now again, we know that it's designated UAP. It still is, actually. I just found out, I did some research after the hearing. But, um, you know, obtaining and releasing it wasn't in the cards for us. And then, holy cow, Congress itself, uh, you know, retrieved or was able to have this video and put it out. And you and I look at each other and we're like, we know this video. I mean, the day before, we're like, we know this video. We'll tell you a little bit what we know about it. And I'll expand on that.

• 12:39Jeremy Corbell?

  But I think first, first impressions. We have a good friend, Merrick, who always really digs into this stuff. And I know it's first impressions and, you know, it's kind of the shiny object, this video. And I want to talk about the hearing with, with who it was and what they said. But I think it deserves we bring in Merrick just to give us his first impressions of the video before we expand upon it, right?

• 13:02George Knapp?

  Excellent idea. Merrick von Renenkamp, who's, uh, worked for the Defense Department, worked for the State Department, uh, friend of our podcast program, a smart guy who doesn't jump the gun. He's a very thoughtful and analyzing videos and, and incidents and case histories. So is he here? What's up, Merrick?

• 13:22Speaker 05

  How's it going, guys? Good to be back with you guys.

• 13:25George Knapp?

  So you were watching, did you watch the whole thing live as it was happening?

• 13:28Speaker 05

  Every minute. It was incredible. It was one hell of a hearing, guys. Congratulations, yes.

• 13:32George Knapp?

  What's your take overall on the quality of the witnesses and what was discussed?

• 13:36Speaker 05

  Absolutely superb. I really appreciated the fact that we had video presented in addition to the incredibly high-quality witnesses. Truly, truly fascinating testimony. And I think, you know, I looked at Eli Crane, a former Navy SEAL, as a congressman who questioned, who had questions for the witnesses. And what really struck me is he said, he literally said, "I used to think, growing up, I thought the UFO story was all kooky. Listening to you guys, respected service members, and watching the video, I am now a, quote, 'believer.'" That is just about a direct quote from a former Navy SEAL and a current congressman. So let's hope that is, you know, the impression that many other folks who saw the hearing came away with as well.

• 14:21George Knapp?

  You know, Jeremy, I have talked about that video in the past in very limited terms. The night before the hearing, Representative Burleson, who's got balls, shares some information, Jeremy, and shows it. And you knew it was coming, but just seeing it, I had never seen it before until it was live. And kaboom.

• 14:42Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, that's, want to talk to you about America. I know this is preliminary, and we don't know, we weren't there, but they did release a piece of footage that is allegedly a Hellfire missile that's bouncing off of what they're calling a UAP. The little bit of background I can give is, yeah, George and I were aware of it. We've made statements about shoot downs before. Somewhere, I kind of slipped it in. I remember saying something about this footage because we had, it was reported to us like right after it happened. I just couldn't believe that the world was going to see it. So just the day before the hearing, they alerted us to this. We were able to authenticate that it is a real DoD video. It is labeled UAP. There's some other details we know about it that I've never

• 15:24Jeremy Corbell?

  said publicly, and I think today we'll talk about it. But words are words. We got a piece of video. I'm amazed Congress could show this. Now, you've always looked at stuff. I know preliminary assessment, but like, is this interesting? Is this video interesting?

• 15:40Speaker 05

  So I did my usual roller coaster of analysis. At first glance, it was, wow, this is incredible. Holy smokes. This is fascinating. I think, you know, most people, when they first see it, have that first reaction too. Then I looked a little closer. I looked at some, some initial feedback from former fighter pilots like Ryan Graves and Chris Lado have all, both, both weighed in on it. And I think Chris Lado thinks she's fairly convinced it's a balloon. Ryan Graves says, hey, it's, it's could very well be prosaic. And then I started looking at the actual numbers and I really got in close into the details. And there are a few things about that video that are truly, truly bizarre.

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• 20:36Speaker 05

  Now, I want to, again, you mentioned it, Jeremy. Jeremy, I want to be very clear. This is all extremely preliminary. The Pentagon could come out tomorrow and say, we know this is a balloon. Here's the full video. Here's the full data. We, that, I just need a caveat, everything that I'm about to say with the fact that this could still be debunked. And we have seen very compelling video and footage being debunked in the past. That said, I'd be happy to kind of jump through or run through a few of the things that stood out to me. If that's, if that's helpful for you guys. So maybe, just so we're, so we're all playing kind of off of the same sheet of music. I want to quickly kind of go over what, at a high level, what, what people are seeing on the screen.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  So what, right here, we have the display. The very top, this is one of the more important numbers. The minus 40 means this camera is looking to the left. The minus means we're looking to the left of the drone. This is an MQ-9 Reaper drone. And the bottom right, we have a couple, a series of numbers down here. This 103, that's the direction the camera is pointing. It's looking 103 degrees. So it's basically east, east. Southeast. Uh, this number is the slant range to this target right here. Actually, right now it's it's actually still centered on the ocean, but that that becomes clear later when the when the uh, laser is fired. So we're looking at

• 22:05Speaker 05

  seven point three nautical miles and this down here is a six point one. That is six miles horizontal distance. So if you were not up high and you're just looking horizontally um, at uh, from the plane to the target. It's a six nautical mile distance. Um, this right here indicates the laser is firing. And I'll just set the scene. This this drone, we know from the math, I won't go into it, but we know it's at about twenty four and a half thousand feet, give or take. We know this object is at about twelve thousand feet, give or take. Um, there is a lot of parallax, so that background is moving really quickly. That does not mean, it does not mean the object is moving very quickly. In fact, it's the opposite. Um, and the other thing that really stood out to me is

• 22:49Speaker 05

  when you really actually get in close, um, you know, I love, I I know people love to to crap on UFO videos. Oh, they're blurry and uh, you know, they're they're pixelated. Well, believe it or not, for folks like like me and and the other folks that have really spent a lot of time looking at infrared footage. This is a very, very sharply resolved, well-defined infrared image. It even has what's called edge sharpening, this this kind of black um, outline around along the the object. So this is, we we have a very good indication of what we're looking at here. This is an oblong object. Um, and interestingly enough, this is in white hot. So objects that are hotter are going to appear lighter, whiter.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  We know that for for example, because the missile is light colored, uh, when it travels um, uh, through the the screen. And what I'm seeing here is this, this object is all white. So if you go back, the individual waves of the ocean are actually really well-defined. That means this thing is screaming hot. It is hot, hot, hot, certainly compared to the ocean. Um, and and we'll get into that in a second. So that's a lot at a high level. Um, just to dive into what I found really interesting is there are three little. Let's say, objects, pieces, debris that pop off of this object after the missile strikes

• 24:10Speaker 05

  it, the Hellfire missile, and I'll just say quickly, that missile is designed primarily for air-to-ground, but it was used in an air-to-air engagement. This is an extremely precise missile. This is the one that they use to put missiles through windows. It takes out individual drivers in cars, so it's extremely precise. After that missile strike, you see these three, let's call them objects, debris pop off. What's interesting to me is, in infrared, they have an identical signature. I had a bit of an exchange with folks who follow this closely. Nobody's been able to find anything that replicates this as an

• 24:54Speaker 05

  infrared artifact. So, without evidence proving that this is an artifact, the fact that they are identical is fascinating, because it's very, very unlikely that three pieces of debris, of junk, that gets knocked off of any object, whether that's a balloon, or whatnot, to be identical. Pretty low odds that you have three basically identical-looking objects.

• 25:23George Knapp?

  Also unlikely that three identical objects would travel along with the balloon?

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Correct. Yes, you're absolutely right, George. And I'll just quickly go back to the leading theories. I think some folks, the skeptical community has, I think, largely come around to this being a balloon. I think we can, I think generally folks who have looked at infrared imagery can rule out drones. If you look at, for example, drones in infrared imagery, very clearly defined wings. Even if you look at footage that's much granier, and from further away, you can still make out wings, control surfaces, tails. So the fact that it is an oblong shape generally tells us that is the shape that we're looking

• 26:10Speaker 05

  at. And let me, I'll just quickly, I want to quickly, this is what really I found fascinating, and that is when the missile strikes and you slow it down, these three objects... It looks like they emerge in succession. They weren't blasted off with the force of the impact. They come out oddly enough, one by one. It is a very bizarre kind of emergence. To my eye, it's almost like they were inside the object and came out. One theory is that this is debris from the payload of a balloon, but if that were the case, gravity and drag

• 26:50Speaker 05

  would pull these things immediately down and this flapping envelope would be high above these objects. But as you watch the whole video sequence, you see these objects, and certainly one or two of them, even at the very, very end, 50 seconds, you know, at the very end of that video, 30 seconds post-strike, they're still very close to this object. And this is where drag comes in, right? If this is a large chunk of metal, it would already have, you know, been miles, or certainly well below that flapping balloon envelope. And here's where it gets really, really interesting. The object rotates, and it

• 27:33Speaker 05

  just doesn't rotate at random. It begins rotating, basically the moment after the drone hits it with a laser, a designating laser, so that missile knows exactly where to go. And you can see it in that sped up footage, the zoomed in footage, it really zips around, and then bizarrely, it appears to stop rotating just an instant before the missile hits. So, a lot to discuss, again, very, very preliminary. I'll say one more thing. I find it highly suspicious that our friend McWest has not put this into his 3D recreation software yet, and I have a hunch now why. I've run this, and this is again preliminary,

• 28:17Speaker 05

  this could be overcome by any number of events in the next few days, but at first glance, when you do all the math, you put in all the data, all the laser range finding data, and I want to stress, that laser range finder is ultra-precise. Because that's what they use literally to take out individual drivers of cars, right?

• 28:37Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  It is, it is super, super precise. And if you put all that data into, I use several different AI models. You get this object traveling at a speed of about forty knots, give or take. That is well, well above wind speed for the entire day. Uh, in the entire region of where this was, was shot. That's assuming we know the date, uh, and the location. So that was a, a rapid fire, quick overview, um, but much more to, to explore with this, with this footage. Um, and as you dive in, it gets more and more interesting.

• 29:13Jeremy Corbell?

  I'm really grateful for your analysis. Um, I do have previous insight about this and there's some things I'd like to just mention. It's going to frustrate everybody, but here's a fact for you. Which is that when we found out about this and the night before, when I'm looking at this footage, what I don't see is the over five minutes. That this was tracked after impact and those objects continue along with the original UAP. And I know that's frustrating. I'm just reporting the news. Don't be mad at me. I don't know whoever gave it to Congress. You know, they gave him the, the, the main part, but as we all know, that extra minutes, like with the go fast, the extra minutes of that footage would be powerful.

• 29:56Jeremy Corbell?

  Just to have, but I am reporting to you for sure that there is extended footage and it, I wish it was public as well. Um, but a couple of other things from the initial reporting to me and George about this.

• 30:07Speaker 05

  Can I, can you quickly, Jeremy, just quickly on, on that point of if there, there is extended footage, there is. I can tell you in the data that we have so far, there is something to suggest that because.

• 30:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  Uh, I think most geometric estimates now have the, the Reaper, the drone. Taking a right turn after impact, almost as if it were going to, hey, why is it still flying? Why does it still exist? Why does this object still on the planet? Why am I still seeing this object? Almost as if the operator was curious. Uh, so there's a very good chance that, you know, the data certainly indicates or, or, um, will back up in, you know, the, the fact that there, the, the allegation that there's longer footage.

• 30:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, it's not an allegation. I can confirm to you there is. The problem is it's not public. And that's nothing I can do about that. But the original stuff that came at me and George was why it would, immediately we were alerted after this was because no explosion, it bounced off. These are the exact words people kind of identified to us. It is labeled UAP. It didn't descend. Neither did the, what the tag alongs, they, they did not descend after for a large amount of time. I really hope that now this video is public, people can fight to get that Congress can fight to get that footage, declassified and out to the public. Arrow can go get it and put out the whole video. If you've got nothing to worry about and you don't want people misidentifying this, then go ahead and put out the other five plus minutes of footage after. I think we should all

• 31:31Jeremy Corbell?

  fight for that. And I said something on X about that, that there is other footage. It's on CIPR net. And people can go get that. But the other things I want to contribute to this, other than it didn't descend after impact. Um, and this is where it gets really weird. A couple of things. First of all, somebody was saying this is like an RX nine, a flying Ginsu, like, so it wouldn't explode. It's like ninja missile is supposed to have these blades. That's used for, for soft targets, meaning like people, and it's a very expensive weapon. It would be very bizarre if they were using that at the part in the world over the ocean, like, or over the body of water like they were here. That's an extreme precision kill weapon. It's very different. It's used in like high profile missions as you can see in history. But here's the, one of the weirdest things.

• 32:16Jeremy Corbell?

  One of the weirdest things is when it was reported to me and George, there was this word that was attached to it within the file and a briefing and it was marsupial. So I had to go look that up. And it turns out, when you look it up, marsupials, things that like keep other living things in pouches. Right? And so it was, it was so funny to me and I didn't know what to make of it for months and months and months. But then I, I started thinking, this really is reminiscent of a good friend of my, um, his footage, this guy named Jim Martin. And he was filming in ultraviolet and IR. Through a camera off the coast of California and there's this weird anamorphous blob that's dropping out these orbs. I mean, just dropping these orbs out. I'll play this here just as like

• 33:01Jeremy Corbell?

  a sort of symbolic, um, why they might use, use the word marsupial. Think of like a kangaroo with a pouch and objects inside of it. So that's why I said online, I think you're on to something, Merrick. And I, I can't prove that, but I'm reporting to you what came to me and George associated with this footage prior to its public, um, release. So that's something of note. There, there have been so many weird dismissive theories of this without proper investigation. I think it was even Avi Loeb was suggesting that it was, um, the object itself that, that it got hit was a Houthis Samad drone. Have you ever seen a, a photo of one of these? They're not an anamorphous blob. And you know, because of your thermal research, Merrick, you would see the huge wings,

• 33:45Jeremy Corbell?

  the X on the tail, the long length of this, if it was hitting some known drone. So what you're seeing is representative of the shape of, of what's there. So there's a lot of questions with this footage. This will be an ongoing thing, but, um, I can tell you that even as of today, it is a UAP, um, designated by the DOD to this day, even after the footage came out. If that changes, if we find out about it, George and I will report that. But thank you so much for putting your neck out there.

• 34:14George Knapp?

  Yeah. Before he leaves. Uh, so why is a balloon white hot? What, what balloon is white hot? Who made the decision to go ahead and fire a hellfire missile at this white hot balloon? It's, it was balloon. And did it in fact, what we see with our eyes, it looks like that hellfire, which cost like, what? A hundred thousand dollars to shoot at a balloon?

• 34:36Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:37George Knapp?

  You made the decision to spend that to take out a balloon and then it keeps on going. Is it, uh, you know, titanium balloon? Is it a lead zeppelin? Maybe it's a lead zeppelin, you know?

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Right. Uh, you're absolutely right, George. I'll just say, and the balloon theory, you know, the more you think about it, um, everything that I've seen, a Mach one missile, Mach 1.3. So, you know, speed of sound plus, uh, even if it doesn't It's gonna cause some major, major damage, certainly to Mylar and, um, you know, for, for other, the, the Chinese spy balloon, very quickly, I'll just very, I know we gotta run, but very briefly, um, it's very clear what happened to that balloon. It shrunk because at altitude at 12,000 feet, which is where this object was, the air pressure is such that in general, for any normal balloon, unless this is some really bizarre balloon that's oblong and yada, yada, yada, it would

• 35:28Speaker 05

  instantaneously deflate. It's catastrophic depressurization. Uh, it, now the white hot, the fact that it is so hot in infrared could, could be because of solar heating. I want to be fair to, to that. Um, go fast. The other video is very, very cold compared to the ocean, but that was at night. So anyway, um, I, I want to just, you know, quickly just reiterate, this is bizarre. And I think if the Pentagon of Arrow, given the millions, truly the millions and millions of views, uh, that this, uh, footage has racked up just on, on, uh, social media, let alone on, um, major news networks. Um, I would think that the Pentagon would have a debunk

• 36:09Speaker 05

  or some kind of statement ready to go if A, it was aware of the incident or B, had already, um, found an explanation for it because this is spread far and wide, thanks to Congressman Burleson and certainly to, to you guys for, uh, for your hard work on this.

• 36:24Jeremy Corbell?

  It's so awesome. Thank you so much. Look, it's a developing story. You know, we all want the perfect footage and all we can do is work with what we got, but thanks for doing the analysis and, and thanks for, um, just coming on today, man. Man, that's awesome. Merrick is always open-minded. He fights the fight. He goes for it and it's so cool to see him analyzing the footage. I think we're gonna learn more as we go. I think we should pressure to get the full footage, which I'm again clearly saying, there's about at least five minutes more after that shows no dissent of those three marsupials. So let's see. But in the meantime, I really wanted to shift the focus from the video on to the people that testified. It took a lot for them to do it. Some people got very short notice. Um, when I had nominated.

• 37:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Our friend Jeff, I knew that he would bring his A game. I knew he'd get his homework in on time, unlike George Knapp, and I knew that he would throw down and talk about his really important observations as a military police officer during the time of some incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base. So without further ado, you kicked ass, my friend Jeff. Great to have you here.

• 37:34Speaker 06

  My name is Jeff Renusatelli. I'm a former military police officer with 16 years of active duty service in the US Air Force. Thanks, man. Hi, guys. It's a pleasure to be here.

• 37:48George Knapp?

  Jeff, going into this, were you worried what the public reaction might be, what the downside might be for you? It's one thing to speak about it on a podcast or an interview with like us. Testifying in front of Congress is a big deal.

• 38:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was worried about that about two years ago. And over the last year, I've stopped worrying about that. I'm all in now. It was a life-changing experience, man. I'm still in the afterglow. Being together with everyone, I mean, that was powerful. And knowing how, how serious it is, you know, behind the scenes and what these people are actually going through, and how their lives are being destroyed in real time, and that's ongoing. I mean, that, that's really what we were all there for, to let the public know what

• 38:43Speaker 06

  happens if you come out and try to speak the truth. They will destroy your lives and your reputation and your family and your health. So, yeah, man, it was powerful.

• 38:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I think Jeff, so you got to kind of really behind the scenes, get to meet with some of the people who testified, and also who didn't testify. So you're kind of talking from a place of knowledge that most people don't have, which is what people went through in order to get to the point where they're testifying in front of Congress. But just for you, I loved your intro, and I loved how you broke everything down. You know, why did you think this was so important? Like, first of all, do you have other people from your case that are now pumped and amped to come forward, at least behind closed doors to Congress? Did it change anything?

• 39:32Speaker 06

  It changed everything, man. A flood of information is coming in right now. People that were stationed at Vandenberg in that timeframe are reaching out. They're letting me know that they've got additional information. So we're collecting all that right now. And I think this hearing has sparked, has lit a fire in the military and veteran community.

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• 42:39Speaker 06

  And we know that there's lots of people like us out there that have remained silent for various reasons. And now they're, people are willing to step forward and join the fight. So, a lot is happening behind the scenes. So yeah, it, it, um, you know, I, I talked to Dylan for a while today and, you know, we're all feeling good and, you know, just trying to, to try to stay focused and figure out, okay, what are the next steps? We have to keep the momentum going. We need to gather our forces. We need resources. We need lawyers and we need pressure. So yeah.

• 43:20George Knapp?

  I know I felt really good about being up there with you guys because I needed the emotional support going into it, uh, but I knew the three of you were rock solid in, in the experiences that you were about to share with them. What did you think about the level of interest by the members of Congress and how even-handed they were in the questions that they asked and how they reacted to you?

• 43:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, that, that is really encouraging. You know, everyone knows that right now, uh, everything is politicized and, you know, these lines are being drawn in the sand. And over all three hearings, this is the one topic where it's bipartisan for real. And I, I think the reason for that is a lot of these congressmen and women have seen some of these photos behind the scene. They've seen the videos that we're talking about and they know. What's really out there and once you've seen it, there's no letting go. Right? So the, these congressmen are engaged. They know it's important. They know we are not lying. Uh, and they know that someone is covering up the truth.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  So, uh, yeah, their, their questions were on point. Um, it was really encouraging and, uh, I don't remember his name at the moment, but that one, uh, veteran. I think he was a Navy SEAL, uh, congressman. Uh, you know, we, he said right there, you know, he believes us now. He didn't used to believe in this topic, but now he does. So we are making progress. Uh, we've got, we've got some good people in Congress. You know, advocating for us and paying attention and the momentum will just keep, keep growing. So I'm, I'm encouraged, you know, this, I can't believe this has happened. And George, you were the calming factor for all of us.

• 45:06Speaker 06

  And it was perfect that you kind of went in the middle, you know, and, uh, we, everyone I talked to afterward was like, thank God George was in that hearing. You were like, like, um, just this blanket of security we all had, you know, having you there and your.

• 45:23George Knapp?

  I can assure you that I was not calm.

• 45:26Speaker 06

  None of us were, you know, it was tense, but, uh, but yeah, I'm so happy, you know, you were there too, George. Meant a lot.

• 45:35George Knapp?

  You know, you know what UFO world is like, Jeff, you've been around the topic for a while and it could be, get pretty nasty. And it was pretty nasty to, to you witnesses, the three of you guys, before you ever said a word in front of Congress. And, uh, you know, there, there are some things that Congress has to do. Not everyone is, you know, spends all their time working on this topic and, you know, they've only had three hearings, you know, since, uh, after 50 years of having none, it seemed to me you guys were establishing a foundation. A, this is real, credible witnesses that served in the armed forces have seen these things. And B, they've paid a price for it in coming forward that there are risks to speaking, uh, about what you've seen

• 46:17George Knapp?

  and risks to coming forward to something like this. Is that basically your take on it?

• 46:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's why it was critical. Uh, you know, I, I, I looked at all, you know, the. Twitter traffic and what was in the news leading up to it. And I knew they were wrong, so I wasn't worried about it. I'm like, we're going to come out there and we've all brought receipts. We're not just telling stories despite what people want to say. I've given direct official records of some of these events to Congress, to Arrow and the FBI. So there's no doubt that these events happened. And the same thing with every case. There's there is behind the scenes, there is a preponderance of evidence. Supporting all of our testimony. And that's important.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  It's, you know, it's not just us telling wild stories. And none of these situations, you know, especially with Alex and I, they did not happen in isolation. I mean, Alex was on a ship. And everyone that needed to know on that ship knew about those UFOs. And the same case with me, you know, we had 80 people on duty during these events. They played out in real time over the radio. They were logged, you know, we lived through. So anybody that's out there saying, you know, there's nothing to this. They're not paying attention.

• 47:38Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, they're not paying attention, they're trying to distract from it. Look, that was part of the nomination process. Why I called you is because you have the receipts. Everybody that came up have receipts. Now, not all of them could present the receipts publicly. But at the same time, I'm specifically talking about Dylan. But but you know, you having that and providing that. And it's a big deal just to go through that process, to go through the entire vetting process from Congress. I mean, getting you there, I really appreciate it that you jumped in and said you do it now. It does bother me that there are quotes that hit the air, you know, from Dr. Kirkpatrick and also Tim Phillips, the former head of Arrow, prior to the hearing. It's like they're trying to demean you, call you a wacko.

• 48:23Jeremy Corbell?

  We've never interviewed any of these witnesses is what Phillips said. And I was sitting there laughing when I saw that quote because you did extensive interviews with Arrow. You broke it down, you gave them who to speak with. This is way prior to even being nominated for the hearing. So the fact that they're lying or being disingenuous or how can they not remember that? Of course, they remember that. And that's same with Dylan as well. He gave a full breakdown to Arrow. In fact, they classified some of what he testified to them. So, you know, how does that make you feel when you stand up? Because Congress asks you, the American public asks you, and you go to testify, and you've got these former heads of Arrow saying, oh, we've never heard this story. It was never reported to us.

• 49:05Jeremy Corbell?

  We never did intake. What did you think when that came out like a week before the hearing? When they're trying to diminish you before you've even spoken?

• 49:12Speaker 06

  I thought, good, good. Keep running your mouth. Uh, that's because I'm going to step outside and smash your teeth in, in this hearing because you're lying. You know, I've got the receipts from Arrow. They, they are coordinating with me. So they could, they could go out and tell any tales they want. But when we step out onto that schoolyard, you're in trouble, right? That's how I looked at it. Run your mouth. And it gave me motivation. You know, it gave me motivation. And, uh, and especially, you know, I think they're playing a dangerous game. Because if you look at the Wall Street Journal article, basically what they're saying is, and this is

• 49:51Speaker 06

  coming, I'm assuming Arrow gave the Wall Street Journal evidence. And the, the picture they painted was, the UFOs aren't real. What we were really doing is using experimental weapons on these people, on Bob Salas and, and the security forces that were on top side. And it's like, if that's true, then you're wrong, and we need to go to court. So I encourage Arrow to keep coming out with these stories about shooting microwave weapons into our heads and trying to blow up nuclear weapons in the middle of our country. Because if that's your official story, then we need to, we need to start investigating that. Maybe that's the next hearing, right? Show us your evidence. And what

• 50:35Speaker 06

  did you do to these service members? So I encourage the leadership or prior leadership to Arrow to continue doing what they're doing.

• 50:46George Knapp?

  Okay, I hope you keep us in the loop. If anything bad happens, we'll raise some hell about it if we can. Jeremy, anything else?

• 50:54Jeremy Corbell?

  Uh, no, I think that's good, man. But Jeff, I hope that you get loud out there. I know you're going to be starting a podcast and we'll make sure to let people know about that. I hope that you have enticed a bunch of people to come to you about your base and what was going on there, and that you expand this story, then the hearing and your testimony will have been worth it in the fact that people will come to you and expand the story. You will document it and get it out to the world. So I look forward to hearing what you learn because you testified and how you can share that with the world. Just thank you so much, man.

• 51:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, and thank both of you guys. None of us would have been in that hearing without you, Jeremy, and you, George. People don't understand what you're doing behind the scenes and how much work and effort and resources you put into this. But, you know, from the bottom of my heart, thank you, guys. You know, you're the reason that that that hearing really happened. So.

• 51:49Jeremy Corbell?

  Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Let's keep pushing together. Hey, Alex, I know you're on location. Thanks for jumping in with us. Hopefully you got a stable internet connection. But, man, it was great to have you testify at the hearings.

• 52:02Speaker 07

  My name is Alexandra Wiggins. I'm an active duty US Navy Operations Specialist, Senior Chief Petty Officer. Absolutely. Thank you and George for having me back here on Weaponized. Uh, yeah, it was a great going out there, testifying, and had an awesome time doing that and thankful for everyone involved.

• 52:20George Knapp?

  Alex, any feedback from your fellow crew members? Have you been back on the ship yet? Do you have groupies? Is there any reaction from the people who know you to now your superstar status after testifying before Congress?

• 52:35Speaker 07

  Great question, George. I have had a few folks from the USS Jackson reach out to me, and it was all positive. They all said, you know, congratulations and good job and things of that nature. Um, yeah, it's all been positive feedback from everyone. And even a few friends of mine now, they call me a celebrity and they're like, hey, what's up? Look out for the celebrity. But, yeah, it's all in all in good fun. Absolutely.

• 53:02Jeremy Corbell?

  It is all in good fun, but I gotta, I gotta thank you. I don't think people know that you had to go through security reviews, you had to get the DOD and the Navy to authorize officially that you're going to be talking in a public setting in front of Congress. I mean, it wasn't just a very simple process because you're active duty and you know, we, I, I think it puts you above a little bit. It protects you a little bit more now. You're just talking about something that you experienced and saw. So thank you for taking that risk and thank you for, for doing that.

• 53:35Speaker 07

  Absolutely, Jeremy. You know, if, if the opportunity is now open more than ever for service members, sailors to open up and share what they witnessed, I'm happy to be the person to have opened it. Uh, I'm, I'm here to, to serve, but I'm also here to ensure that there's open transparency for, you know, reporting things like this that we see, you know, everyone that I talked to, they're thankful and they are also curious as to what's in the skies. And, uh, now they hope that this kind of bridges that gap between service members being able to speak about it and knowing what's out there.

• 54:16George Knapp?

  Well, you know, the Navy has clearly led the way. I mean, for the last couple of years, they were revising standards, encouraging, uh, their personnel to go ahead. You see something, say something. I think Jay Stratton, ex Navy guy who sort of helped pave the way for that, but kudos to the Navy for, they gave you no opposition whatsoever at any step of this, as you're asking for, is it okay to testify, right?

• 54:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, no opposition. Uh, it's the complete opposite. You know, the Navy reached out, uh, and asked me, you know, is there anything you need help with? Do you need us to, to, you know, have a conversation with your chain of command at your specific, uh, you know, command? I said, you know, absolutely. I wanted to wrap in my chain of command. So they knew, you know, what I was involved with outside of, of, uh, you know, my typical job. And they were all supportive, not just the Navy itself, but my current command. So I thank, uh, the Navy itself, my current command for being, uh, helpful on what I wanted to help, you know, the, the nation with essentially, uh, with, with service members being able to speak out. So, yeah.

• 55:24Jeremy Corbell?

  And I think also your testimony, look, you know, I called probably 20 people that were direct witnesses to events at sea in the Navy and really not a lot of people wanted to put their head above the parapet and do it. But I think you doing so because you have said and many others have said that it is not an uncommon occurrence to designate something a UAP or an unknown, but it just gets buried and people don't talk about it. So if it is such a common experience, I think this opens the floodgates for people to come forward and to report even unofficially, but just to report on the fact that they are seeing UAP and that it's more

• 56:08Jeremy Corbell?

  common than people think. I think you broke that mold.

• 56:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, you know, again, I appreciate the opportunity to be the service member, active duty, to break that and open the door because maybe after watching the video that was released, service members can relate and say, you know what, I've seen something similar. I didn't know that this was something that I could report to someone. And now they kind of have an example of what they can do. And at least the first step on, you know, how can I report this and kind of let everybody know, you know, we're also seeing things out there. Yeah.

• 56:49George Knapp?

  Well, elaborate on that. You're all seeing stuff out there? I mean, it happens a lot, especially in that particular area off the Southern California coast?

• 56:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, you know, so I would say the majority of the time that we have conversations about seeing things in the sky, it's kind of just pushed to the side. So, for example, if someone were to be on watch on the bridge or on the flight deck of one of the ships out here, there's a potential that they may have seen something. And because we're focused on the mission, because we're focused on, you know, our watch standing, our circadian rhythm, make sure we get the sleep that we get, et cetera, et cetera, we're probably going to let a lot of those things fall to the wayside. So, yeah, to answer your question, George, yeah, it does happen often off the coast of California and San Diego specifically, where the majority of our ships are at, you know, we see these things. And, you know,

• 57:41Speaker 07

  you can, after enough times, tell the difference between, you know, a shooting star or a satellite. We know the difference. We see the difference. And, you know, specific to California, I see it often. You know, I've been on fifteen total deployments in my twenty-three, almost twenty-four years. And I've never seen the amount of, you know, anomalous aircraft in the air more often than in Southern California. You know, I've been around the world, but I mostly see them in Southern California. I haven't actually seen them anywhere else. Uh, I'm not an East Coast sailor, so I haven't been stationed on the East Coast. But on the West Coast in San Diego, for sure, you see them in the skies very often.

• 58:25George Knapp?

  And it's your job to differentiate, right? To know what's in the sky, what's flying around the ships or the battle group that you're with. Uh, to be able to identify commercial craft or military craft. That's what you do.

• 58:38Speaker 07

  Absolutely. Yeah, that's my job. I'm an Aztec. Uh, and so having to mitigate when I have kilo missions, what different aircraft are out there as far as friendlies or not friendlies? Uh, that's, that's my job. I've been doing that for, for almost two decades, right? So, uh, understanding atmospherics and understanding different things in the air to keep the mission safe, to keep our pilot safe. That's, that's, that's pinnacle, right? Safety is pinnacle. So if I, if there's something out there that I or other sailors that are in the position that I am cannot identify, that's concerning on a totally different level, right? On the safety level. But it does make you scratch your head and wonder

• 59:21Speaker 07

  what, what is it that I'm experiencing? I'm able, I have publications that help me classify all the aircraft that are out there, but I can't classify this one or the, these type that we're constantly seeing. So, uh, yeah, it, it, it is kind of concerning on that, on that home front, but it also makes you scratch your head and say, why is it that we're mainly seeing them specifically in San Diego off the coast?

• 59:46Jeremy Corbell?

  I do want to give a shout out to the first active Navy commander that came on Weaponized was in really our first episode where we had a guest and it was Commander John Gutierrez from the Navy aka Guts. And I know that when you were testifying and you were announced you were testifying, there was an influx of support from you. And then when you were testifying, while people were underway, they were watching your testimony on those Navy ships in real time about the operational area that you testified to. So it was just like such a cool moment that you're getting so much support.

• 1:00:28Jeremy Corbell?

  I know you're speaking for yourself, but I'm also proud of how the Navy has supported people like you, telling it like it is about UAP and how we need to have better reporting on this.

• 1:00:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, I take, I'm very humble, I believe. People tell me sometimes and I'm thankful that, you know, it's kind of like your home team rooting you on because I know there are pilots out there, officers, you know, that are out there and, you know, myself being senior enlisted, we do have to think about our careers. And if there's really, you know, a gray area of wanting to just speak about what you've witnessed in the skies, you do want to prioritize your career because yes, your career is tied to your family, it's tied to your future. And so of course you're going to prioritize that, right?

• 1:01:25Speaker 07

  And so I definitely thank, you know, Commander Gutierrez and everyone else that was watching around the Navy and, you know, kind of rooting on like, hey, you know what, that's one of us, that's one of us that are out there stepping up and testifying about what they witnessed. So thank you for everyone that watched and everyone who didn't that still does support. Thank you.

• 1:01:50George Knapp?

  One other question from me, and then Jeremy, you can take it where you want. Could you talk about the deference that you got from members of Congress? The kinds of questions they asked, the treatments that you and the other witnesses received? I mean, it seemed like they were pretty polite and bipartisan, unlike almost any other topic. They were fair and they were genuinely interested, at least to me, watching the process.

• 1:02:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, George, I agree. They were, they seemed focused and interested on the topic. They didn't seem as if they were, you know, had a secondary agenda in the way in which they were asking us questions. So definitely appreciate that from Congress because it shows that they were more focused on the agenda of understanding, what is it that we don't understand about UAPs, UFOs? More focused on that than, you know, any level of political, you know, left or right leaning questions.

• 1:02:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Alex, thank you so much for coming again on Weaponized and for testifying. And I don't want it to be lost on people. I want, you know, people to really see, you were testifying based on footage. There was footage out there that George Knapp and I obtained. We got connected through Admiral Tim Gallaudet. And I want people to go look at that footage again because what you're talking about, they can actually see in that thermal footage from the USS Jackson.

• 1:03:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, and an easy, you know, summary of what people are seeing when they see that video. Is it picks up where there is a UAP that previous to the video surfaced.

• 1:03:30Speaker 07

  With my own eyes and what we're the start seeing is they see the UAP being zoomed in on our Sapphire system onboard USS Jackson. And you see it making, you know, very abnormal movements in the air. And at some point, when the operator, the CSM operator of the Sapphire zooms out, then you see. Two other objects, a total of four, because you can't see the fourth one on the video. But you see all four of those objects. You know, we don't have a technology, at least that we know of publicly, that can do that.

• 1:04:12Speaker 07

  So, uh, you know, when the video ends, uh, what happens afterwards is all four of the, the actual UAPs themselves, they take off like near simultaneous and they just take off, uh, into the distance. We've never seen something, I've never witnessed as far as like that level of four of them getting together and leaving at the same time.

• 1:04:35George Knapp?

  You are a Las Vegas guy. You grew up here. You have family here. Las Vegas, as we know, is a UFO town. When you come back, uh, for a visit, there might have to be a parade or something.

• 1:04:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, you know what? I can't wait, uh, to visit you and, uh, come back home to hometown. And, uh, yeah, love Las Vegas. So definitely look forward to doing that.

• 1:04:55Speaker 08

  It takes such great courage to come forward and we acknowledge that and I hope that you see that we are taking that seriously. And so very thankful for what you're doing today. I'm also very thankful for previous witnesses that had come forward. Um, I see Matthew Brown in the audience. He courageously stepped forward and was as a, as a witness. Um, I encourage everybody to, to look and seek his, his testimony.

• 1:05:20George Knapp?

  You know, the name Matthew Brown has now been prominent in two UFO hearings in front of Congress in a row. Uh, the last hearing, previous hearing, uh, there was a lot of discussion about some documentation that Matthew had been responsible for bringing forward. Immaculate Constellation, that's a name that will stick in people's mind. And of course, this hearing, I think Jeremy, you and I expected Matt to be called as a witness. I think a lot of the people do, uh, did as well and were undoubtedly, uh, disappointed that he was not a witness, but he was there and part of the proceeding and part of the gang and giving a moral and emotional support to the guys who were there. And I, we anticipate, right, that someday he's going to be called before these guys.

• 1:06:03Jeremy Corbell?

  Absolutely. You know, Matthew Brown went through the entire vetting process with Congress. He was poised to officially, under oath, testify to the degree that he can to the public. And because of politics and dynamics, he wasn't officially called to testify this time. But I really am firm that the public needs to hear directly, under oath, at Congress from Matthew Brown. And I think at a future hearing, it'll be like his third time being mentioned because they gave him a great shout out at the hearing. But I think for right now, people are wondering, how is Matthew Brown? What is his life like after he came forward with us on Weaponized?

• 1:06:45Jeremy Corbell?

  And he's doing some writing, so I've been seeing some of the writing he's been doing. But I think it's time people hear directly from him. So thanks for joining us, Matthew Brown. Great to have you on Weaponized again.

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• 1:07:22Speaker 09

  Jeremy, George, great to be here. It's a sunny day and it's been a strange but rewarding week. Thanks for having me on.

• 1:07:32George Knapp?

  What was your thoughts of the hearing, how it went, how the witnesses were treated, how the overall experience affected you?

• 1:07:40Speaker 09

  I think, starting off with how the witnesses were treated, both in front of the camera and behind it, it was very respectful, very earnest, serious questions from members and their staff. You know, I think the interest is there and the recognition is also there that this is not going away and that the American people deserve to have their voice heard.

• 1:08:06George Knapp?

  What's your life been like since your fantabulous debut on Weaponized?

• 1:08:11Speaker 09

  Uh, I would say pretty uncertain. It's been a, it's been a summer of waiting and, and working and waiting and working and seeing things almost come about then fall apart. And all that matters though is at the end here, we got September 9th with some really stellar witnesses who brought just incredible information. And I really couldn't be happier with how, with how that turned out, given, uh, given what was arrayed against that team.

• 1:08:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, we, um, so just for the, so the audience knows, I'm not, you were, you were ready, you were waiting to testify and we were kind of like dealing with this together is, are you going to be called? And there were so many uncertain things. You went through the entire process, like you were vetted and ready to testify. And I want people to understand, you put your life on hold, waiting for the call of our nation, if they want to hear you testify publicly. And so thank you for doing that. Thank you for putting your life on hold and doing that. Ultimately, it was great to see you or have you there sitting right there behind and you got this great shout out. So, um, I don't know where, where it goes from here is going to be interesting, but

• 1:09:28Jeremy Corbell?

  did you have some specific takeaways? Cause I know somebody we're not talking about yet is Dylan Borland. And there's a reason we're holding that for a little bit later. But Dylan is a great friend of yours. You have some great photos of you together. You've kind of been in the trenches together. So were there any takeaways from seeing and being there at the hearing that you'd like to talk about?

• 1:09:50Speaker 09

  Uh, I think, well, this is the first hearing I've ever attended in person. Um, and you know, so I don't know what the vibe was like in the room at the, at the other two, but this one, uh, You know, it it felt intense, but there did also feel like a lot of com camaraderie. Uh, not just with the witnesses, but with the, you know, the commentators, the spectators and the journalists who also showed up to attend. And um, just briefly on the subject of me testifying, not testifying. Um, look, it's, as I've heard so many times, this is a marathon, not a sprint. We are all in this together. I have plenty to say. I've also said a lot already. I don't need to be there.

• 1:10:36Speaker 09

  Who uh, you heard from on September 9th, uh, really, uh. Wow, fantastic job from those guys. All credit to them.

• 1:10:46George Knapp?

  Look like a bonding experience with you and the other witnesses that either, either though you didn't testify at this hearing, that you were all in the same boat.

• 1:10:56Speaker 09

  Yeah, um, you know, Jeff and Alexandro uh, both became familiar with through through your work here on Weaponized. Um, and as you said, Dylan and I have, uh, you know, we can reveal, we've had a friendship over the past few years that's been um. Uh, quite, quite frankly, one of the the few relationships that uh, has survived uh, this this ordeal. And if anything, has grown stronger and um. You know, I think we we supported each other a lot. And if uh, that's any indication of how Dylan works with other whistleblowers, um, I feel very confident that people out there. Uh, feel assured to see him on the stand.

• 1:11:42George Knapp?

  You've been this through this really tumultuous time, in part because you came forward with Jeremy and I and um. You know, you knew there were consequences for stepping forward and saying what you did. Any second thoughts uh, that have, maybe you shouldn't have done that? I mean, your life is kind of in limbo, is it not?

• 1:12:01Speaker 09

  Uh, no second thoughts. It had to be done. Um. Certainly wasn't anything I was prepared for, but how do you prepare for something like that?

• 1:12:14Speaker 09

  Yeah, I have no regrets about doing something good.

• 1:12:17Jeremy Corbell?

  So Matt, moving forward, I know that you have a Substack and I'm really grateful that you started writing there. And I know people want to support you. And I think the way to support you is to read what it is that you've said, but also what you're going to say in your Substack. So we'll, we'll put something here so they can have a direct link to, to reading what it is that you're writing. But what was your, why, why did you decide to do a Substack? How can people support you? And I'm glad you did it. But you know, what's next for, for Matthew Brown here?

• 1:12:51Speaker 09

  Yeah, that's, that's a great way to get my opinions. You know, the first little three-part series here, I wrote, you know, as it was going back and forth, whether I testify or not, just to kind of expand on the story and build some attention for the night. Hopefully that, that helped a bit. What comes next there? I want to share what I can to help sort of

• 1:13:15Speaker 09

  do disclosure by the people, get people prepared, just in the background of certain topics that, you know, some familiarity will really help them digest what's coming down the pipe. So check me out there. Ask for support. You know, this, this is what I'm doing right now. But the future is very much open. So, you know, I thank you, I thank everyone for who's reading right now.

• 1:13:40George Knapp?

  And one other question about whistleblowers and witnesses coming forward. You knew there were risks in sharing the information that you did with the world and the other guys too, the other guys who testified at this hearing. In particular, Dylan, your friend of, for some time, you know, he had made a comment to the members of Congress about other difficulties that whistleblowers face.

• 1:14:03George Knapp?

  In terms of employment, you know, the committee, this task force wants to provide some kind of protections for people. Make it easier for them to come forward and not face retribution in their workplace. But the reality for you, for Dylan, you'll never work in that stuff again. I don't know how they, how do they provide for whistleblowers and witnesses like you? When so much that happens is essentially extralegal. Break-ins to your house, tapping your phones, intimidating you and the people around you. And making it impossible for you to ever work again in the profession that you've trained for, the clearances that you had. I don't know how you solve that. Do you?

• 1:14:47Speaker 09

  At least with this topic of UAP.

• 1:14:52Speaker 09

  You know, aside from having assurances that in certain rooms with certain people, I can say anything.

• 1:14:59Speaker 09

  There's no protections, no safety nets, no help with transitioning. It's, um, it's very much a one-way relationship, at least right now. So if that, if things can change there, not just for me or for the people I've already spoken, but especially for the people who are still stuck in these programs or in the, or the family members who are associated with people in these programs. We're looking at a very large problem here, not just in terms of, you know, the classification involved, but yes, the social transition and keeping people alive and thriving. And it touches on something just briefly here that I think a lot of America is currently experiencing.

• 1:15:45Speaker 09

  We are going through a massive disruption in our economy through technological changes. And we seem to be just going by the seat of our pants without any plan to help people who are never going to work in the careers that they have trained their whole lives for on a much larger scale than just the UAP issue.

• 1:16:05Speaker 09

  Absolutely.

• 1:16:08Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, we talk a lot about reprisals against people, extralegal things. And for a number of reasons, we've kept that really private. I know that with Dylan Borland, we're going to get into that in the weeks to come, like what's occurred. And it's hard to link these events necessarily to the whistleblowing that's going on. But I want to give people a tangible, physical example of something that has occurred and has occurred to you. Are you comfortable explaining, I know there's a police report and all that. But just, you know, the kind of thing that you experienced when you were going through the whistleblowing process, such as a break into your home, will you just tell us about that?

• 1:16:48Speaker 09

  Yeah, and I think a good place to start is, there's just a brief history lesson. The term gaslighting comes from the practice of intelligence. It's driving people insane by messing with their lives in a way that can never be proven and makes the person even question if something is acting against them. So in situations like that, like the Stasi is most infamous in our recent history for practicing this. It's almost worse for the victim of such tactics to go public.

• 1:17:20Speaker 09

  Experiences that I've had like that, you know, there's so many that I know I can never prove and almost even more that I don't know what they were.

• 1:17:33Speaker 09

  But I guess one of the first and the worst was having our home broken into while my wife and I were there sleeping with our animals.

• 1:17:43Speaker 09

  Just a normal weeknight.

• 1:17:46Speaker 09

  It was very shocking to slowly wake up and realize over the course of the morning what had happened. And

• 1:17:56Speaker 09

  Yeah, knowing that these people were in my home and could have done anything they wanted to at any time.

• 1:18:05Speaker 09

  You remember being touched like that.

• 1:18:08Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, there's an official, this is, you know, over the years of knowing you, this is like, there's an official police report about this. And some of this, this really, this happened to a lot of people like Lazar back in the day, these strange break-ins to the home. As you said, it's almost worse to report it publicly because that's kind of the tactics at hand. But one of the things that if it's okay to talk about, I mean, they laid out family identifications as if they're photographing it and smashed something of great value, emotional value to you. It was not a robbery, it was a message. Can you expand on that?

• 1:18:44Speaker 09

  Yeah, I don't want to.

• 1:18:48Speaker 09

  You know, processing lines of sort of privacy here, but yes, personal documents and personal identification documents were left out. In a way to indicate that not only were they in the house long enough to gather such things, but clearly, you know, this isn't a robbery. As for personal effects.

• 1:19:09Speaker 09

  Yeah, you know, it was a very clear message. I had

• 1:19:15Speaker 09

  at the time, the remains of my grandfather with us and those were removed from the house and left next to the garbage.

• 1:19:27Jeremy Corbell?

  So this was a more of emotional, personal attack than it was some sort of robbery. And the fact you were in the home and unaware of this with your pups that this was happening. And I know you reported through local law enforcement. I know David Grush also had a very gnarly experience right before he went into a skiff that involved a firearm pointed at him. That's public now, I think. So it's these kinds of things that I just wanted to shed light on the actual things when we talk about reprisals and we talk about this kind of pressure on you guys as you're moving forward to testify. So Matt, any final thoughts about, you know, kind of the path forward and what's going on before we let you go today?

• 1:20:07Speaker 09

  Yeah, I think overall, the the reaction from the community and from the public has been great. There's a lot of interest, a lot of support. Big names are covering the hearing. Of course, there's some incentive there with some a spicy video for everyone to pour over. But while this is going on, just sort of a meta commentary for those involved, I think this is a really good moment to reflect and realize that we've taken a step forward. It's taken decades of of work from people I'll never meet and a lot of people will never hear about. So let's set aside the egos. Let's set aside our profit incentives, and let's focus on what needs to be done, which is bringing

• 1:20:51Speaker 09

  truth to the public. And for those of us who are Americans, restoring our Constitution.

• 1:20:57George Knapp?

  Thanks, Matt. Always good to talk to you. Great to see you in DC and hope to see you soon again.

• 1:21:02Speaker 09

  Be well, George. Be well, Jeremy.

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• 1:21:56Jeremy Corbell?

  So George, that's that's all of our friends, the people that were able to testify and Matt Brown, who wasn't. But you know, just got a question for you. You kind of touched on it briefly. But I know you brought a lot of the the Russian documents that have not been public before. And I know you brought them for Congressional Record, and I'm sure they're gonna put those on record. But for you, what was one of the the best parts for you being able to to do this? And thanks for doing it, man.

• 1:22:25George Knapp?

  Well, a couple of things. One is, you know, the camaraderie, those guys, those are those other guys, including Matt, didn't testify, but part of the group. They're amazing. They lifted each other up. That was mutual support, and I felt it as well, you know, because it is daunting. It is a daunting thing to appear before Congress, not the same as doing a UFO podcast interview. You're in front of Congress. You're in front of the world. You're under oath. You're testifying and being asked questions by people who really know how to ask questions, and the whole world is watching, you know, all those cameras and other people. And it's a lot of pressure. I'm just proud to be part of that group and how it happened. As you know, I did not want to testify. I was not enthusiastic about it. I

• 1:23:09George Knapp?

  would do it, I said, if I filled some gap form or something, and I guess I did. And the reaction from the public, and, you know, we get a lot of interaction with the public, and most of it is negative, Jeremy, as you know. But I've seen this stuff come in, and even people who were skeptical that it was worth leaving, listening to, which we hear that pretty much every day. Ah, gosh, I quit. I'm not listening to this anymore unless the guy who's working on the screwdriver on the flying saucer is going to testify, or they wheel in the dead charred alien body into the hearing room. I'm not paying attention. And I have a one-word answer for people like that. Bye. You know, because what those guys

• 1:23:49George Knapp?

  did is establish a foundation for how Congress can move along. This is real. There are consequences for people who step forward, and now they know it. I was also astonished by the members of the committee themselves. You got Representative Luna, who is no shrinking violet, and Representative Crockett, the minority leader on that panel, and they got along, and everybody else got along. And the questions were serious, and they were well thought out. The staff members who prepared members did a lot of great work. Everybody was ready to go. Everyone took it seriously, and there was none of the partisan sniping that you usually get, no matter what the congressional hearing is about. So I was really encouraged by that. If UFOs, UAP

• 1:24:33George Knapp?

  is the one issue that can bridge the partisan divide, you know, so much for for it. The other thing, I don't want to beat a dead horse. And this particular horse is not only dead, but its bleached bones are down at the bottom of the canyon, rotting in the sun somewhere. It's Kirkpatrick.

• 1:24:53George Knapp?

  This guy was the head of Arrow. This organization was created. He's the first director. And before the hearing happens, as soon as the witnesses are announced, he gets a media minion, and they go on this tirade. It was just so tiny and so small for a guy who was head of this program to make these kind of remarks. It was these insults, this nickname he gives the committee, Luna and the lunatics. That would have been a real gut buster out by the tetherball apparatus in junior high school. But for a grown man, a scientist who supposedly is impartial, unbiased, who's heading up this very important investigation, to come out with that stuff, it's so demeaning

• 1:25:36George Knapp?

  for, and it just shows that guy was not the right guy for that job. And the guy that followed him wasn't right. And I feel sorry for the people at Arrow. Dr. Kozlowski, who everything we have heard about him is legit. He's legitimately interested in getting to the bottom of this mystery and doing a fair investigation. Now, he has to live with the stench that emanates from that building of Arrow that was left by his predecessors. And I feel for him. You know, it's a shame. There should be an honest investigation that is outside of the control of the Pentagon of some way how. Witnesses need to be protected. Congress needs to be armed with subpoenas. And there are some really good witnesses who you and I can recommend that they go after

• 1:26:19George Knapp?

  next. People like, I'll tell you what, I'll read something. I did not get to enter into the Congressional Record, but I think I probably will. And it's from Jay Stratten. I was going to add this to the end of my presentation, and I still might, if I have a couple of days. Jay Stratten was critical to the creation of OSAP, the largest UFO investigation ever funded by the US government. He was critical to ATIP, the smaller program that came after. He was the first director of the UAP Task Force. Actually, he was a director of the Task Force before it was even officially created by Congress. He set in motion a great structure for getting to the bottom of this. He had trusted people all over the government, and they were trying to honestly investigate this

• 1:27:04George Knapp?

  stuff. And you'll recall that UAP Task Force, at the end, they had 144 cases they had boiled it down to and 143 of those were unexplained and they had done their homework and trying to figure this out and they could not crack that mystery and yet Arrow comes in suddenly, oh yeah, it's all explained, everything is explained. I mean, it stinks and it's a shame because we need a fair investigation. That guy and his predecessor clearly were not the right people for it and this is why I thought Jay Stratton was the right person and I wish he was still in there. He said, and this is a comment to us, Jeremy, "As an architect of the DIA's UAP program and later the UAP task force, I can tell you this, the deepest problem isn't what

• 1:27:49George Knapp?

  we don't know, it's what's been deliberately hidden. If Congress doesn't assert oversight now, the same people who buried this for 80 years will bury it for another 80." He's right. I can't thank them enough for inviting me. I appreciate all the input that people have sent to me since this thing. It's going to take me months to read all this stuff because I'm hiding here in my house until it dies down.

• 1:28:16Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, just a couple last comments here. I mean, there should be an official rejection and Arrow should, the former, the current head of Arrow should disavow the comments from the former directors. It is so sinister. What you just read, you know, from Jay Stratton, it's not what we don't know, it's what we're hiding. You have somebody saying that in that position of power. Man, that is so great to hear that from him, even though it's a private communication, you know, to us rather than a public thing. But you in the hearing, you named names, you named locations. It took you a minute to give a name, but you ended up giving it and it was Glenn Gaffney, you know, former head of science and technology of the CIA.

• 1:29:00Jeremy Corbell?

  We know is one of the gatekeepers because they stopped, he stopped the material transfer. It was his office and directly from him that stopped the material transfer of these, or, you know, technologies of unknown origin to the OSAT program. So it was great that you actually threw down, everybody was, you know, scared, not scared, but everybody was like thinking, should I name names? You actually did. So if they can subpoena their asses, if Congress can get oversight. You know, maybe just, you know, Jay Stratton, maybe Dr. Latafsky, who's admitted that we have obtained a UAP and have breached the hole. That's a step forward. So I think, you know, as we move forward with these hearings,

• 1:29:42Jeremy Corbell?

  even if they're friendly subpoenas, if they enact their subpoena capability through the House, then I think we're going to make even more progress. But I want to thank you for saying a name in the hearing for identifying locations. I know that you were given by sources the ability to do so. And so I really appreciate that you did that. The task force did a great job. And I just want to say, you know, Representative Luna kicked ass for the American public. Representative Burchett, the funniest guy in Congress, man, he was great when he came up there and was talking. He is a true ally for UAP transparency. And as of more recently, Representative Burleson has done a great job. So I'm really grateful for what happened. I'm

• 1:30:24Jeremy Corbell?

  grateful for for what you did, George, even though it is daunting and you have more homework to do and to write more stuff up. Last thing I want to hit is who we missed out on here today. And there's a reason we did. And that was Dylan Borland. And so you kind of get the vibe from this audio recording that Dylan had more to say than he was legally allowed to say. And you heard him a couple of times defer to if there's a skiff, and if you have authorities, like, I have more to say. He also made a comment that, you know, if you want to know the answer to that, ask Arrow, meaning they've done a full intake. And at a classified level, they have the

• 1:31:06Jeremy Corbell?

  information the public wants to know on Dylan Borland's, what I would assume is, you know, direct knowledge of a legacy UFO program and the crash retrieval program, just going to say it right there. But people are going to hear more from Dylan Borland right here on Weaponized. And I'm thinking probably if we're lucky, it'll start next week.

• 1:31:27Speaker 11

  I know what I testified to dramatically changes not just America but humanity instantly.

• 1:31:33George Knapp?

  Really. Thanks for keeping me in that loop. I had no idea. Uh, yeah, it's, we got some good stuff coming. Got some good stuff coming. Again, thank you to the committee members, Rupesha Luna, and the names you mentioned for, uh, having us there and, and being such gracious hosts and doing such a good job to prepare for that hearing. They're pissed off. They're, they're angry about being left in the dark, and they should be. You know, it's time to break this stuff out. And there's, there's got to be a structure where you could have some kind of disclosure, although you know how I, how likely I think that's going to be, um, some kind of a disclosure that will not endanger national security, that will at least allow the public to know there really is something to this. And perhaps that could, uh, you know, generate some energy and interest

• 1:32:17George Knapp?

  among the scientific community that has always been deterred because of the stigma. Now, I, I think if that is an outgrowth of that hearing and hearings to come, that's a really big step in the right direction.

• 1:32:29Jeremy Corbell?

  Inch by inch, life's a cinch, baby. We made a huge historic moment, and, uh, let's see where it goes from here. But thanks so much, George, for reporting on Weaponized. I appreciate it, man.

• 1:32:39George Knapp?

  And thank you for putting this all together. People have no idea what went into this and how much work and time and energy it went into. It, uh, it wouldn't have happened without what you did.

• 1:32:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Thanks, man. I'll see you next time.