Golden Globes Nominations, Rewatching ‘Succession,’ and a ‘Landman’ Crash Course With Timothy Simons. Plus, Paramount’s Hostile Takeover.

Chris opens the show by reacting to the news that Paramount is mounting a hostile takeover in the wake of Netflix’s Warner Bros. Discovery acquisition (1:00). He is then joined by Timothy Simons to talk about the Golden Globes nominations and why the awards show can still platform lesser-known titles (4:15). Along the way, Tim runs through everything he’s been watching, including recent ‘Succession’ and ‘Girls’ rewatches (14:55). Later, they discuss the degree of difficulty required to pull off what Rhea Seehorn is doing on ‘Pluribus,’ the show’s biggest fan theories (29:52), and ‘Landman’ S2E4 (48:34). Subscribe to the Ringer TV YouTube channel here for full episodes of The Watch and so much more! Host: Chris Ryan Guest: Timothy Simons Producers: Kaya McMullen and Kai Grady Additional Video Supervision: Donald LoBianco Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:57Speaker 02

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• 1:03Chris Ryan?

  Hello and welcome to The Watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at the ringer.com. And joining me in the studio today shortly will be Tim Simons because Andy is traveling and Tim was nice enough to come by and guest host the episode with me today. Obviously coming out of this weekend, you know, Tim and I talked about Golden Globes, of which nobody wants this. The show he's on is nominated. We talked a little bit about Pluribus and Landman and just TV in general. It was really fun chat. But coming out of this weekend, there's really only one story and that is the announcement on Thursday night and the developments over the weekend about Netflix making an offer to buy and entering into an agreement with Warner Brothers

• 1:45Chris Ryan?

  to purchase their studios and their streaming service, HBO Max, as well as the network HBO. This comes on the heels of Paramount's competing bid for Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers went with the Netflix offer. Warner Brothers is one of the most historically significant institutions in the history of America in entertainment. Their IP treasure chest is probably unrivaled in.

• 2:10Chris Ryan?

  In Hollywood, with the exception of perhaps Disney, and it's a huge crown jewel of, like, honestly, American cultural heritage at this point, and it's up for grabs. And we're really, really, really only in the prologue of this story. As we were recording today, this morning, Paramount announced that it was going to be conducting a hostile takeover bid of Warner Brothers. I had a very funny experience this weekend where I was cleaning out my kitchen and I saw a red envelope next to an old toaster, and it turned out to be disc two of Ingmar Bergman's Scenes from a Marriage that I have no recollection of renting from Netflix when it was simply a mail-order DVD company, but it was there and it's been there for several

• 2:53Chris Ryan?

  years, and I hope my credit rating is okay because of that. But it did make me laugh that, you know, this relatively humble novel company, when it first started of like, what if we just sent you DVDs in the mail and you sent them back when you were done with them, is now this Goliath who may swallow up half of the industry. And Andy and I will talk more this week about the pros and cons of that, and also just probably how helpless everybody feels in the face of it. I'll save a lot of this stuff for me and Andy. Let's get into my conversation with Tim Simons, which takes up the rest of the show. Like I said, we talked about the most recent episode of Pluribus, the most recent episode of Landman, the Golden Globes, rewatching Succession, and who we would want to play

• 3:38Chris Ryan?

  golf with if we were the last people on Earth. All right, I'm now joined by the critics' motherfucking choice, Tim Simons. Tim, you know what? You're not the only award nominee in this room right now.

• 3:50Speaker 04

  I know. While you were out getting the water.

• 3:53Chris Ryan?

  Kaya McMullen, the Jerry Bruckheimer of Good Hang with Amy Poehler, is also nominated for a Golden Globe.

• 3:59Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 4:00Chris Ryan?

  Do you get to go to the room?

• 4:02Speaker 05

  I don't know. I would say there's probably a long list of people before me that will be in that room.

• 4:07Chris Ryan?

  Not that long. I mean, I'm very excited for this possibility, if only for like, the idea of you being in proximity to like, some of these...

• 4:14Speaker 05

  I'm very excited to maybe meet Mel Robbins.

• 4:16Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Right. I wonder if there's a separate podcast ceremony, or are they going to be part of the evening?

• 4:22Speaker 05

  I could see it being like, an off-camera, like, congrats, you know, like, Creative Arts Emmy, this kind of deal.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  I do want to just throw this out, Kaya. I feel like we don't know each other super well. Historically, I've enjoyed talking to you, but for some reason, the table placement is much more favorable for Kaya. I'm gonna absolutely just like mad dog her every time I'm in here. Like, I will never, I, I would, that, I won't even throw you like a cursory glance.

• 4:49Chris Ryan?

  It will just be like, blank turn. Do I know you? Have we met before? Yeah, that's cool.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Hey, Tim, I'll just keep introducing myself politely. Hey, I'm Tim. Nice to meet you.

• 4:57Chris Ryan?

  Um, the Golden Globes were announced this morning. Andy, obviously, is gonna be on it later in the week, and we'll probably recap some of this stuff in more depth, including the merger stuff. But the Globes nominations were this morning. I have a funny relationship with the Globes. I'll just, I'll just tell you where I don't really understand who nominates things or votes on them. But I do find award shows to be relatively amusing and, and useful as markers of like, oh, this is what people generally who watch a lot of TV or a lot of movies were into. Congratulations on Nobody Wants This getting nominated, right?

• 5:31Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, Nobody Wants This got nominated. Adam and Kristen both got nominated, which is rad. And like, yeah, whenever people bag on award shows, like, I, I get it. There are more important things going on in the world, but one thing that is cool about them is that that is an opportunity for like, underscened

• 5:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  movies or television shows to get, to get a bump, to get more people to know about them, to get it, to get them into the conversation, especially if they're sort of like criminally underwatched.

• 6:00Chris Ryan?

  Did you ever, throughout your time on Veep or on Nobody Wants This, like, do a deep dive into like what the advanced analytics are to get nominated for a Globe? Or is it still just like you believe in magic, when it happens, it happens?

• 6:12Speaker 04

  I, I believe in magic, but there is also a part of me that like, I don't know if this is incredibly stupid on my part, like, that side of the business, I almost am like willingly telling myself to not know about.

• 6:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  And I don't know if that works to my detriment or to my overall benefit.

• 6:32Chris Ryan?

  Do you vote in SAG?

• 6:34Speaker 04

  I vote in SAG and I vote in Emmys.

• 6:37Chris Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:37Chris Ryan?

  That's cool.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:38Chris Ryan?

  Do you ever, do you zag hard when you're voting? Do you ever like throw like some random stuff in there? Or like, you know, like kind of try to stand out a little bit from the masses?

• 6:47Speaker 04

  I tr- what I try to do is because there are 780 television shows, there's no way that you can watch them all.

• 6:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  So I do try, I know there was like that thing with the Oscars like recently. They were like, by the way, you have to watch a movie. You would think that would be a prerequisite.

• 7:02Chris Ryan?

  I think it's honor system, but yes.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 7:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 04

  And, and so I really do try to go for the things that I've not only seen, but thought were great.

• 7:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  And what that means is that sometimes there are some people that are very much in a conversation, but I'm just like, I can't, I can't in good conscience vote for it.

• 7:20Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Cause I just, I haven't seen it.

• 7:22Chris Ryan?

  Right. What, one thing that's always sort of strange about the Globe nominations and the Globes themselves is that because of the timing of it vis a vis the Emmys, there will always be like a way to understand. I thought adolescence won everything already. Like, how are we doing adolescence again towards the end of the year? It's very strange when those kinds of like recycled award runs happen.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you wonder like, is Stephen Graham gonna be as excited?

• 7:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  As the one, cause god, that guy rules. That guy rules.

• 7:49Chris Ryan?

  I think he'll be sincere, but I don't know if we're gonna get the same level of Emmy's candor from him. Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 04

  It was really fun, like at the Emmys this past year, I was in, I was in a row. Like, we were right next to Noah Wiley. And as we've talked about before, I was a huge fan of the pit. I came to it late after you guys saying over and over again that I should watch it. And I came to it late and it is as advertised, really good. And I was in, and then to our right was the entire adolescence crew. So to like be in between that level of happiness was like a really amazing.

• 8:24Chris Ryan?

  Was Owen Cooper from adolescence giving like a lot of like the Vs to like the pit people? Be like, how you like that?

• 8:30Speaker 04

  I did, I did at one point when I was talking to Noah Wiley, I, I really wanted it to work out. I tried to convince him to do a bit that if he won, he would stand up. And like, we would have a moment where we said, we did it.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  And he didn't go for it. He went for like the human, like, he hugged his wife. I thought that would have been really good. Like, we did it, man. We got there. Another reason I'm bad at the business is both on Friday morning and this morning, when my phone is blowing up, my first question is, what happened? I had no idea.

• 9:07Chris Ryan?

  That the Globes were coming?

• 9:08Speaker 04

  On Friday morning, that Critics' Choices were being announced.

• 9:11Chris Ryan?

  Which you got nominated for.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  I did.

• 9:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  And it was great. My kid's birthday was over the weekend, and it was actually kind of lovely to be able to take a moment during like this birthday weekend. They turned 14. And they're wonderful people. They're kind and they're creative and, but it was nice to be able to take a moment to focus on their birthday weekend about what really mattered, which is individual acting nominations.

• 9:34Chris Ryan?

  I was wondering about that. I was waiting for the but there. Their birthday weekend, you're like, but sometimes it's about dad.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Sometimes it's about dad.

• 9:42Chris Ryan?

  It's about what dad brings to the table.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  While they were blowing out the candles, I was like, I hope they're wishing for a win.

• 9:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:50Chris Ryan?

  And/or did not get nominated for any of the major sort of drama writing awards, but Diego Luna did get nominated for actor. Task had one with Ruffalo. No Taylor Sheridan.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  No Taylor Sheridan at all?

• 10:01Chris Ryan?

  For none of his shows.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 10:02Chris Ryan?

  And Catherine, Catherine Lannasa, who plays Nurse Dana on The Pit and won an Emmy, did not get nominated.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Really?

• 10:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, which is pretty surprising.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  That's surprising.

• 10:10Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 04

  And did I see correctly that one battle didn't get nominated?

• 10:14Chris Ryan?

  No, it's in comedy, which is...

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Oh, it's in comedy. Okay, good.

• 10:16Chris Ryan?

  I don't, I don't know how I feel about, at this point, I almost feel like the Globes should be like... I, I don't know whether I feel like it should tack closer to the Oscars in terms of its categories. I appreciate the fact that like, more movies get nominated for Globes and then like, to your point, you can get like, people being like, oh, I didn't see Jay Kelly or whatever. I don't think Jay Kelly got nominated. But by that same token, like, it is strange when... One Battle is very funny.

• 10:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 10:45Chris Ryan?

  Many of Paul Thomas Anderson's movies are very funny. I would not explicitly call them comedies like, and I wouldn't call them musicals. And so it competing against other comedies and musicals is a little strange.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  There is, and I think there is also that thing of like, whether or not you agree with the category. I mean, an argument can absolutely be made that One Battle after another is the funniest movie that got released this year.

• 11:06Chris Ryan?

  For sure.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  You know, like that, that argument, I don't think that's like a category fraud thing.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Cause it is fun to tell people that haven't seen it, like, hey, in the first 30 minutes, you're gonna think I'm insane when I tell you this is the funniest movie you'll see all year. But with comedies being broadly ignored in awards, in awards talk, unless there is a specific category for it. Like, a lot of comedies don't get nominated for Oscars, or at least maybe more recently. I do like that there is like, okay, no, we're gonna actually put some light on those as well.

• 11:42Chris Ryan?

  It almost would be better if, I mean, like, I guess this gets to the point of like, there just aren't enough comedies being made for as feature films anymore. So you do wind up having things that are like, whether it's a big musical getting put in there, or something that is right on the line between drama and comedy and probably leaning more drama, even if it's funny. Something like One Battle, which will probably win that. I think Marty Supreme is also in the comedy category as well, which I haven't seen yet.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  Which I haven't seen either.

• 12:08Chris Ryan?

  But in any case, for the nominations, Best TV Drama, it was The Diplomat, The Pit, Pluribus, which we're gonna talk about, Severance, Slow Horses, White Lotus. For Best TV Comedy, it was Abbott Elementary, The Bear, Hacks, Nobody Wants This, Only Murders in the Building, and Studio.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Which is that, would that be Studio season?

• 12:31Chris Ryan?

  Season one.

• 12:31Speaker 04

  Season one?

• 12:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  And they weren't, had it not come out in time?

• 12:35Chris Ryan?

  This is the thing, is that like, they did a whole Emmys run, and now we're getting, this is now like the end of the cycle for like, its awards eligibility for season one.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  For season one.

• 12:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Which I think, off the top of my head, that feels like outside of the studio, the exact same lineup from last year.

• 12:53Chris Ryan?

  It's very similar, and they're still doing this Bear Hacks thing, you know, which is, which I just find now amusing, to like, watch these two go up against each other. Best limited series was Adolescence, All Her Fault, The Beast in Me, which I watched in its entirety, Black Mirror, which I kind of, that was one that I was surprised got put. Up for awards or like I like Black Mirror a lot this season, but it was like, I was like, oh yeah, Black Mirror came out, Dying for Sex and The Girlfriend, which I had to look up. Uh, that's a Robin Wright show with Olivia Cook from House of the Dragon. And it's about a girlfriend who disrupts a family. And I, I was just like, this doesn't seem like a real show. And it really was.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  And it really was?

• 13:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Um.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  I check it out. I like Olivia Cook.

• 13:36Chris Ryan?

  I like Olivia Cook too. She was great in, in Dragon. She's great in the first, uh, episode of Slow Horses.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  That had to be like House of Dragon related scheduling, right?

• 13:48Chris Ryan?

  It is. I mean, we've now gotten into, I was actually going to encourage this for you. We have gotten into spoilers for Slow Horses. So you can click ahead 15 seconds. Killing people off, like named actors, killing them off in the early, like first episode or so. Um, this is the Kyle Chandler mayor of Kingstown move. And this is, this is a part for you. You know, to be like, pretty famous guy who's on the poster and then gets his head blown off in the first episode.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Honestly, that'd be sick. The only thing that I don't like about that is, I don't know. I, whenever I see Olivia Cook, like when she gets, again, spoilers for a five.

• 14:24Chris Ryan?

  Five year old.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  Five year old, first season of a television show that if you're listening to this, you probably watch. There is always that part of me. Whenever I see an, like an actor gets shot and actually killed. I am like, ah, fuck, I wish they just still had a job. It's like when, like whenever I, like I had a real trouble watching the first season of Fargo, which is like a show I love. But when they were out on the frozen lakes, I was just like, man, everybody was so cold that day. You know, like the crew had those heated vests. I know everybody like breakfast was a nightmare.

• 14:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 04

  You know, I can't, sometimes I can't get past like the actual just being on set part of it.

• 14:58Chris Ryan?

  I think Andy had a funny moment when he was doing Briar Patch where like, you know, he writes these scripts and then, you know, 80% of them is like exterior nighttime.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:08Chris Ryan?

  And I was like, that's sick dude. That's going to be awesome. Just like James Elroy and like Raymond Chandler. And then he was like, so it turns out you start shooting at midnight, like or whatever, or like 10 PM. He was like, I'm going to make some of this stuff daytime.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  Like I love any movie like, like Nightcrawler, any movie that takes place all at night. And, but there is that thing where it's like, you're on your third day of night shoots. And it's just like, oh, I smoke again.

• 15:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Like, like I don't know what the real world is.

• 15:36Chris Ryan?

  I have a FanDuel account.

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:39Chris Ryan?

  All I do is bet like Mexican soccer league games.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Korean baseball. So that I can track it live.

• 15:47Chris Ryan?

  All right, let's talk about some of the stuff that you're watching now.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:49Chris Ryan?

  I'm really curious about, you know, you go through a year, you were shooting Nobody Wants This, what, in the spring of 25? When you do a show and when you're on a series, are you, um, and I obviously we've had, I've been on the physical media high council with Tim. I've been a recent addition.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Nothing makes me happier. Which by the way, I want to tell you, Shoot First, Die Later, what an incredible recommendation.

• 16:13Chris Ryan?

  Oh my God, brother.

• 16:14Speaker 04

  We've been on this little, is it Polizia?

• 16:16Chris Ryan?

  Polizia Tesci?

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Polizia.

• 16:18Chris Ryan?

  Tesci, yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Tesci, we've been on a little bit of a run with that and it's just been incredible.

• 16:22Chris Ryan?

  Tim and I are collecting 70s Italian crime films.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:26Chris Ryan?

  And I would say the hit rate on those is about 50 50. You know, you do get some that are like, here's a hot police commissioner whose dad is corrupt. And that he has to sleep with every woman in Rome before he can take his own dad down.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:40Chris Ryan?

  And it's like, this is cool.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  This is cool.

• 16:42Chris Ryan?

  But I don't know about how many hot police commissioners there have ever been, you know?

• 16:45Speaker 04

  I would say like Caliber 9 for me didn't hit the heights of Shoot First, Die Later.

• 16:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  Cause it felt like a little bit more, like it had like a little bit of an unearned pace. You know, there were moments that were incredible, but then I was also like, we're really just watching this guy walk to get coffee. Like this isn't moving it forward very much.

• 17:02Chris Ryan?

  Vince Gilligan, chill out.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Like Stocky Statham, I can't remember the actor's name, but he looked like Statham. If he like was shooting a movie while prepping for like an Oscar roll.

• 17:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? Where he had to like gain a bunch of weight?

• 17:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:18Chris Ryan?

  Um, when you're shooting a show, are you kind of zero dark 30, like you're not watching other TV just because of time commitment? Like how, how do you catch up and how do you pace out like your TV watching over the course of the year as a also noted cinephile?

• 17:33Speaker 04

  I would say that my, most of my watching habits, as we've talked about recently, have been more on the movie side, but.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  There are things that I am just like, no, that's exactly up my alley. And then a lot of stuff, like if it's something that's exactly up my alley, I start it when it starts.

• 17:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Like Task started it when it started and was with it every single week. And some of the other ones I will let pile up and then like, much like The Pit. It is like, it kind of takes a lot of people recommending it in order for me.

• 18:09Chris Ryan?

  To get and like for something like The Pit, which is like a medical procedural, are you like, I'm good. I don't really need to do a hospital show or were you like?

• 18:17Speaker 04

  I mean, I think that was my first thought. I think that was my first thought, but when you just have that many people whose opinions you trust and it wasn't just you and Andy.

• 18:25Chris Ryan?

  It was like every.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  It was everybody.

• 18:26Chris Ryan?

  Everybody, yeah.

• 18:27Speaker 04

  I was like, well, there's gotta be something there. My wife and I tried to start watching it. This is one thing and then I will say like, my wife is great. She'll suggest a lot of shows that we watch and then we start them and we watched the first episode of The Pit. And she was like, I'm absolutely not watching most of this. Like this is too stressful. We started watching the studio and she kept getting up to like, leave the room to like, do a short errand in the house. Oh, I have to just like, switch the laundry over or I have to just run upstairs.

• 18:55Chris Ryan?

  And you're like, you know, these episodes are only like 21 minutes long.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  But I would like pause them.

• 18:59Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  And it got to the point where from the other room, she would shout, don't pause it. I'm leaving because she's, she doesn't do well with comedy of discomfort. She like internalizes it too. I know. I know. Maybe I was different.

• 19:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  I can't imagine I was.

• 19:16Chris Ryan?

  I honestly probably shared that a little bit with her. Like when Andy and I talk about like Chair Company or even some of the Nathan Fielder stuff. Like I get like, it's hard for me to get through it. Like, once I have a breakthrough, like I did with Chair Company, I'm like, okay, like I feel like I understand it. But the initial sort of like, oh my God, this is so awkward. That's the whole kind of thrust of the joke is tough.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, there are moments where I think Nathan Fielder should be illegal. Like he, like we should just like, he should be in jail.

• 19:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  And then also when he's flying the plane, I'm also like, this man is a miracle.

• 19:52Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  But no, so I actually do kind of find out about a lot of shows through Annie, which I will then continue watching after she taps out.

• 20:01Chris Ryan?

  This is the great debate. I mean, like, every couple has their private war. You know, I was trying to get my wife to watch UK Celebrity Traitors for a couple of weeks, because apparently it's like completely amazing, and it's on Peacock now. And she was just like, I, she's like, at some point, we'll check it out one time. And then I came back, I turned around yesterday, I watched the Sixers game, and she was like, I'm five episodes in, you're out. Like, you're, you're, I'm not explaining it to you. Like, I'm addicted. I don't want to watch anything else tonight. Like, this is what we're doing.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  It makes it maybe a little bit easier, I guess, for that dynamic when I'm out of town. Like, when I have to go out of town for work for a couple of weeks, and then it's just sort of like, oh, we'll both watch on our own time and discuss. Uh, you know, we watched Great British Bake Off with the family.

• 20:48Chris Ryan?

  That's nice. That's like a family, like, routine thing.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Good family routine there. Um, but yeah, like.

• 20:54Chris Ryan?

  You watch Task with the kids, too?

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, throughout, yeah, they were really, they were in it just for the Philly accents. They were only pointing out flaws.

• 21:03Chris Ryan?

  She's obviously Irish, you know?

• 21:06Speaker 04

  But like, I, I think, I also have been doing a thing which we kind of texted a little bit about. I love rewatching things. I found like a lot of comfort in rewatching things. And over the course, so then you throw in, you know, an unbelievable amount of actual new television. And then you throw in that, like, in the past, in the past year, I rewatched Girls and Succession. And, and then I, I watched, uh, We Own This City. And I had never seen it.

• 21:35Chris Ryan?

  Did you do it just because, you didn't just do it because I kept screaming like him, right? Like, you, you actually were interested in the, the subject matter, or was it?

• 21:43Speaker 04

  Of We Own This City?

• 21:44Chris Ryan?

  Do you, you know that I just do Bernthal from, from We Own This City, like, all the time? Like, goddamn Sean!

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Maybe I didn't get the reference.

• 21:54Chris Ryan?

  No, it's okay.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Until now.

• 21:56Chris Ryan?

  You independently, just like, we're like, it's time to.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  It's time.

• 22:00Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  It's time, and I did it, and it was phenomenal.

• 22:03Chris Ryan?

  It's mind blowing.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  It's mind blowingly good.

• 22:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  And then, and then one thing that happened was because we shot Veep in Baltimore, there were sets, like interior sets.

• 22:12Chris Ryan?

  That you recognized?

• 22:13Speaker 04

  That I recognized, and then it made me nostalgic for Baltimore.

• 22:16Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  So then I, and then also just being like, yeah, George Pelikanos and David Simon are really fucking good at this.

• 22:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  And I just kind of was like, well, I just want that feeling again. I want like a Baltimore cop, Baltimore city feeling. So I just said, fuck it, and threw the wire.

• 22:31Chris Ryan?

  I recommended homicide for you for this, uh, cause homicide's on Peacock now, and you can do, like, you can kind of come and go with homicide as you please.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 22:42Chris Ryan?

  Like, it's not something where you're like, I forgot the long running plot that's been going on this entire season.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 22:48Chris Ryan?

  Like, you can do three episodes and then drop it for a month and then come back and do three episodes. And they front load it where it's like, those first few seasons of homicide are incredible, but if you lose interest once certain characters leave, you can be like, okay, I'm tapping out before, you know, I think they wound up doing like six or seven seasons.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:06Chris Ryan?

  Like, which is weird because it was always on the chopping block, but they, they kept it going. It kind of became adjacent to Law and Order after a certain point. So it was on for a while, but those first few seasons, if you're looking for Baltimore nostalgia, it's right there.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  All right, cool.

• 23:19Chris Ryan?

  Uh, with the rewatching thing, I've really wanted to do this recently, cause I, uh, I can't remember, I think it was a Succession episode I was watching on a plane, and I was like, this is just the best show ever made. Uh, and I find that I, there's like 50% recall and then 50% like, oh, yeah, I forgot about this subplot. And it's those, forgot about those subplots that I'm really happy to rediscover sometimes, like when I'm rewatching stuff. Do you have, in your rewatches of like Girls or whatever, is there like, are you, do you find yourself like drawn to different characters or different storylines more than the first time around?

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Definitely drawn to different characters, just like in that psychotic way, that like the amount of times that I've seen one battle, like, different things stick out each time.

• 24:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  Maybe you're kind of more dialed in, uh, with a different character the second or third time around. I, I think one thing that I really noticed was, especially like in the Succession rewatch. Was realizing that I had read scenes entirely the wrong way the first time.

• 24:21Chris Ryan?

  Oh, like what?

• 24:22Speaker 04

  One, my memory of the first time around was that Jared Menken was definitely going to be president.

• 24:29Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  That was like, like they had done it.

• 24:32Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  And, and, and it was much more vague. Like you hear talk about, um, you hear talk about like, well, there are gonna be investigations.

• 24:42Chris Ryan?

  And challenges.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  And challenges, like, you know, the whisk, like the, the Democratic candidate in Wisconsin, they were gonna challenge that. So it wasn't so cut and dry the first time. And honestly, Shiv really stuck out a lot this time. And I think this is a credit to Sarah Snook. Like, she's such, she's such a great actress in that way that like Dave Mandell used to talk about Julia Louis-Dreyfus when people would say, I want Selena Meyer to be my president.

• 25:07Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  And he would be like, no, you don't. You want Julia to be your president.

• 25:10Chris Ryan?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  And I think that's something Sarah Snook sort of shares that in that you kind of love her as a performer so much, you don't notice that she is kind of as bad.

• 25:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  As Kendall.

• 25:22Chris Ryan?

  That was always like the most interesting thing that was happening with succession because I think it's a very emblematic show of the sort of like widespread inability to distinguish between like, I'm watching a writer tell a story rather than like, I am cheering for people to win or lose. And like, we're like on this pod and elsewhere like as much responsible for that as anyone because we're like.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  I'm glad you're taking the.

• 25:46Chris Ryan?

  Who's power ranking, like we're power ranking characters. We're like, how is this gonna end? Who's gonna win succession kind of. But that was always my thing with Kendall, like with Jeremy Strong, where I was like, I'm not saying like, I think Kendall is an awesome hang or like, I want him to direct a film like that I start. And I'm just saying like, this performance is really singular and like, we're gonna remember it for a really long time, which we do because we're still kind of referencing it to this day. Yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  And there's also like with the girls rewatch because I had. Because I had been working with Jenny Connor, Jenny Connor and Bruce Eric Kaplan now run Nobody Wants This and we've been talking about Girls a lot. And I was just like, fuck it. I haven't seen it since it first came out. When it comes to like the power rankings thing, one thing was amazing about going back to that one was watching it while being free of like the

• 26:37Chris Ryan?

  The discourse of it, yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  With like the take industrial complex that we all had to be a part of. Like the discussions of how every single episode was both the best thing that had ever happened and also setting women back 100 years. Like all of that garbage, like to have none of that noise and just appreciate it as a show was incredible. And like those first two seasons, I know it's a show that was very specifically about millennials. They really feel timeless.

• 27:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Like a very timeless representation of that feeling of being just out of college and sort of an adult. Like that one, that really stuck out to me.

• 27:13Chris Ryan?

  There's also like, whenever I go back and re-watch Girls episodes, the thing that comes screaming out of the screen is like, it's, it's feeling of like a sense of place, you know, like that they did shoot it in New York and that it did have that kind of like on stoops in apartments that looked like people's apartments in New York and at bars that looked like bars people would go to and, you know, I mean, obviously as it goes to like the Iowa Writers Workshop and, and upstate birthing facilities or whatever, like it gets a little bit stranger. But man, that show was so good.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  Didn't Brody at the New Yorker put like Adam Driver on like his top 10 film performances of all time?

• 27:53Chris Ryan?

  Adam Driver in Girls?

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Adam Driver in Girls.

• 27:55Chris Ryan?

  I mean, that sounds like Richard Brody to a T.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  And honestly, like in going back, it's like, you know, he can make a real strong case for that.

• 28:03Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  Brody is, or Adam Driver is absolutely unbelievable.

• 28:08Chris Ryan?

  Did you, did Girls and Veep ever like share Sundays? I feel like there was like a legendary HBO Sunday. That was like Thrones, Girls, Veep or something?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Girls and then Veep. Veep and Girls, we premiered on the same day. I think it was season, I think maybe season two of Game of Thrones. But that was the run that we were there for. It was always, it was Thrones and then Girls and then Veep.

• 28:33Chris Ryan?

  That's the thing is like, I obviously probably would have, I think I was an Ian Uche fan and like a fan of so many of the people involved in that show and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. So I would have watched Veep, but I do think that, to your point earlier about award stuff where you're like, hey, some, some people might not know some of these shows and just simply them getting nominated or again talked about at an award show might bring new people to the series. Dude, like the idea of like stitching together a night of programming in order to like bring things up.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:03Chris Ryan?

  By having a Game of Thrones lead in and then you're like, not only is it a great lead in, because it's so popular, but I need to come down after like watching a pregnant lady get stabbed to death on Game of Thrones. So I'm going to watch Jonah and Hannah like for their next hour. And it's really, really like, it's a lost art form, I think.

• 29:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and, and even the idea that like, you know, Lena Dunham was like not as well known a commodity.

• 29:27Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Or an actress or performer or writer as Julia. So even to be like, hey, in between Game of Thrones, which you're watching and Julia, who you know, there's this other thing that's really good. Like that actual sort of like that programming art, like, yeah, we watch.

• 29:43Chris Ryan?

  Andy and I used to do this thing every once in a while called like the, um, like, I think it was like the, the prime time. Like, what was it? Like the streaming TV programming grid or something like that, Kaya? It was like, basically we would make a 8:00 PM to 11:30 PM, like night of television, based on like stuff that was on streaming.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:04Chris Ryan?

  So that it would basically be like, uh, what it was like to watch NBC on like a Thursday in the nineties or something like that. And it, it is tough. I do think that they're, they've kind of gotten away from half hour comedies so much now that it's sort of difficult to like, do the like, I'm going to do two comedies at eight, a drama at nine, maybe another drama at 10, or maybe two more comedies to kind of like be a, be a buffer for them. But it is, it is difficult to like, kind of, because of all the choice people have with streaming services. I don't think people are ever thinking in terms of two TV shows that might complement each other. They're thinking of, I'm going to watch four episodes of this and then go to bed.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

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• 32:37Speaker 04

  Just to that awards conversation thing like, and this will be a little, I guess, a little bit of a segue into Pluribus, like.

• 32:45Chris Ryan?

  Which also got nominated.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Which also got nominated, like, that is a show that the premise of, like, and I've been telling people about it recently, and I will say, like, that thing that they did, like, and maybe this is like a programming thing, like, we're gonna give you the first two episodes, because if you see the, I tell people, like, this show's incredible, and if you just watch the first episode, I'm telling you, it's, the rest of it is not like that.

• 33:07Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  Like, if you are somebody who doesn't like horror movies, or doesn't like sci-fi, and you watch the first episode, you might be like, this show's not for me. But I'm like, you just, like, even if you just watch 10 minutes of the second episode, you're gonna get a much better idea of what this thing is all about.

• 33:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  But it's fun, finally, to have a show that's like, oh, Wednesday nights. Like, I get to look forward to Wednesday nights when Pluribus comes out.

• 33:29Chris Ryan?

  It's also, to your point about the Sarah Snook performance, like, this Ray Sehorn performance is such that

• 33:39Chris Ryan?

  she, her, like, kind of, like, skill and ability, like, transcends, like, Carol. So, even though you're watching Pluribus, and I think a lot of people might be like, why is she doing this? Why is she doing that? Like, why, why would she be so mean? And if she knows this is gonna happen, why is she gonna do that? But, like, Sehorn's performance in and of itself is something to root for.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:58Chris Ryan?

  So I can spend as mu, and it's, it's really interesting to get to, to see your current through six. Like, you watched the most recent one?

• 34:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:05Chris Ryan?

  It's really interesting, because now I think we're about to sort of start to bring maybe some more people into the show, because it's been such a one-hander. I was watching, uh, an interview with Bob Odenkirk a little while ago, where he was talking about doing the first season of Saul, and how he's, like, in, like, every shot. Like, like, his character, Saul Goodman, is, like, in every shot of the first season of Better Call Saul, and how hard it was, and like, how exhausting it is to just be, like, on all day long, so, for so many hours. I can't imagine, for Sehorn, like, how, like, she's not only in everything, but physically has to, like, traverse, like, you know, great distances, do all these things, be in these emotional states.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  And, like, you know, and, like, use a pickaxe.

• 34:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  Like, I, I've used a pickaxe for, like, 15 minutes before, and it was laid up for four.

• 34:55Chris Ryan?

  In Maine, or was this like?

• 34:57Speaker 04

  It was actually in LA.

• 34:57Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was digging up, like, a flower bed that was, like, leftover, you know what I mean? It was like, it was a bunch of lava rock, and it looked really bad. And I was like, whatever, I'm gonna do this myself.

• 35:06Chris Ryan?

  You were bringing down your compost.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then I was, like, just in traction. No, and not only, not only is she carrying like all of the emotional weight

• 35:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  of the entire show. And not only is she in every shot, like there was the one episode, was it four or five? When everybody leaves?

• 35:23Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  And then it's just her.

• 35:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Like she doesn't even have another actor.

• 35:29Chris Ryan?

  To play off of.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  To play off of. Like the level of difficulty and the, and the seeming ease with, with which she pulls it off is unbelievable.

• 35:41Chris Ryan?

  There's been some really good, uh, Vince Gilligan interviews where he, especially on Polygon, where he's talked a little bit about, um, you know, basically like this-

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Wait, is Polygon the one where you can like bet on if there's gonna be-

• 35:55Chris Ryan?

  No, that's Polymarket.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Polymarket, okay.

• 35:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Do you wanna get into that?

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:01Chris Ryan?

  What do you wanna bet on?

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Over, under three and a half more boat strikes before the end of the week?

• 36:09Chris Ryan?

  So you wanna talk about that? We don't wanna talk about the merger, but we're gonna do the boat strikes. Alright.

• 36:14Speaker 04

  I'm all in on my guy P.

• 36:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right. Uh, he, uh, he's a piece of shit. I can say that pretty confidently. Um, no, the, Gilligan's talking about like, the way that the writers' room kind of is, is sorting through the permutations of this story and going through step by step. And it really is, it's basically you could cut and paste an interview from Breaking Bad or Saul. Like the way they kind of interrogate every piece of narrative and plot point. And the show is like really shockingly, I think it's refreshingly, so far, everything that's coming out, whether it's a character beat or whether it's an idea about the world, it's all plot. And it's like plot to the point of like, how is she gonna get her food if nobody is around?

• 37:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:02Chris Ryan?

  Or how does she get rid of her trash if wolves knock over her trash cans? And, you know, what will she do? Like, how would she get to Vegas if no one's willing to fly her? So she'll drive her cop car to Vegas. Like, I love the way that this show makes me use my brain like along with the writers.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that feeling, and I don't know that I've had this feeling in a long time.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Of at any single moment in that show, you don't know what could possibly happen next. You know what I mean?

• 37:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  Like, like, story wise, I have no idea what anybody's next move is gonna be. You know, like that, like meme format of like, don't let them know your next move?

• 37:45Chris Ryan?

  I do know that format.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  It feels like that, but like without Ray Sehorn being like as emotionally grounded in it, it might just become boring. It might just become like, well, I just wanna know what happens and I'll watch it on like two times speed just to know what happens. But you, you're with her in every single like emotional beat as well, which is incredible. Like, but even like her. Yeah, like even as you're watching it, you ask those questions of like, oh, like if wolves were trying to dig up or coyotes were trying to dig up like the shallow grave that I had buried my, my wife in, how would I go about?

• 38:26Chris Ryan?

  Well, it's pretty easy. You would have asked the others to give you a full Predator, like, like the Predator suit.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Trust me, eyeballs. I mean, like the fact that the one guy, I can't remember his name, but the guy who's like just acting out like the last scene in a James Bond movie, I have thought to myself.

• 38:42Chris Ryan?

  Like, what would you put yourself in?

• 38:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:44Chris Ryan?

  I know exactly what I would do.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  Everybody, everybody that surrounds me is a cinematographer, like, you know, has, has like the knowledge of Robert Ellsworth in their head.

• 38:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 04

  We could just fucking make a movie.

• 38:56Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, I would also just do, I would just rob the bank from Heat. I'd have to know.

• 39:01Speaker 04

  What a great idea.

• 39:01Chris Ryan?

  I'd have to know what it feels like.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Just load them up with like full blanks.

• 39:06Chris Ryan?

  We're here for the bank's money, not your money. Your money is insured. Don't be a hero.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  You could also have essentially Val Kilmer train you how to do the mag switch.

• 39:19Chris Ryan?

  I could.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? So you could even spend weeks in training, getting the mag switches right.

• 39:24Chris Ryan?

  God, that would be awesome.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  For the bank heist scene. That'd be great.

• 39:28Chris Ryan?

  Um, there's something about the way they plot this show that makes me think of improv comedy. And I just wanted to bounce this off of you. Like, I don't know a lot about like the rules and regulations and philosophies of improv comedy, but I am familiar with like the idea of yes and and like doing like, basically like how this show never lets go of a decision. So, once they make the decision like this is happening with the world, they don't just say like, and we'll come back to that in a couple of episodes, but right now, let's go over here. They're like, no, okay, so she discovers this, but what if people were actually okay with it? You know what I mean? Like, there's like a way that they're using the writer brains and they're putting characters in positions of like,

• 40:10Chris Ryan?

  every time you think you're gonna be like, oh, no, it's fucking body snatchers. It's on. Like, everybody's gonna, now we have to start a resistance to the alien invasion. There's like this slight, kind of like, but what if we didn't? You know, like, what if they, or what if it was, yeah, they're eating people, but what if people were okay with it? Kind of thing.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And, and before I answer the improv comedy thing, I would just say that one interesting thing about it is that it kind of, over and over again, I mean, we're six episodes in, and you're kind of still asking the question like, I don't know, is it so bad?

• 40:41Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  They all seem to be pretty good to one another. They're all concerned about their community.

• 40:46Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  Like, we lack a little individuality. You know what I mean? They've done a really good job balancing whether or not this is actually a bad thing.

• 40:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and I think a lot of the questions that the show asks are moral and ethical and philosophical, which makes it really engaging to chew on. It engages a different part of my brain than a lot of other TV does, where it's just like, simply like, will Billy Bob Thornton, you know, tell this guy how oil really works?

• 41:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are, those are the two parts of your brain, philosophical and will Billy Bob Thornton tell this guy how oil works? To your improv question, and there are gonna be a lot of people that are way more able to answer this question than I am, who just have like more experience or, you know, whatever. If Walshy was in here, he wrote books on it. But there is something. That I remember from when I first moved out here and I was like taking classes at UCB. This idea of like, I can't remember what they called it, but like it was like the weird thing that just happens on stage that can't be ignored. And like you go out on stage and you think like, oh, this is going to go this way. But then something happens where you just have to be like, no, no, no, that happened.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  You have to address it.

• 42:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  And you lock on to that and that becomes the game. And in that way, like it does feel like that in like the game of them just needing space from her is so funny.

• 42:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  But every-

• 42:13Chris Ryan?

  And then the answering machine message is the best.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yes, like and the way they make, they make you play it out every time.

• 42:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  They make you wait with her every time. There is something to that, like, like the show is as much philosophical drama as it is comedy. Like, one of the funniest things I've seen recently was that fucking drone trying to pick up the trash bag that's just a little bit too heavy.

• 42:37Chris Ryan?

  And then it swings around the lamppost.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  And then it ends up swinging around and it takes so long. But I think like, I guess my, the best answer I could come up with is like the attention to the little details and not just skipping over the weird thing to get further into the story or into the plot being like, no, like we are, this weird thing happened and we have to spend time with it because to ignore it would mean, it would leave the audience with the question. And I think they, I mean, that was one of the things that, why they, like in improv classes, they pointed that out.

• 43:10Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Because like if you skip over that, the audience is going to be wondering why nobody responded to that.

• 43:14Chris Ryan?

  One of my biggest pet peeves of, I think I've, I've said this enough times that I feel like I'm repeating myself now, but like, one of my biggest pet peeves in TV writing is when two characters are having a conversation, they get to the most important part of the conversation and one character kind of inexplicably walks out of the room. And it, and it's because they need to end the scene or go to commercial or keep whatever. But this would happen all the time on like, um, kind of pulpy dramas where it'll be like, this guy just drove across the city to have inexplicably a face-to-face conversation with you. You get right up to the most important part where you're like, I'm just not going to do that. And they're like, hmm, and they leave. Instead of just being like, wait, no, wait, I drove over here. We have to talk this out. We have to figure this out.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  I, I dealt with crosstown traffic at like 4:30. On a Thursday.

• 44:02Chris Ryan?

  Do you know how busy it is in the Ozarks right now?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:05Chris Ryan?

  For Ozark?

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:07Chris Ryan?

  I drove around this lake, I found out that you're growing heroin, and now I'm leaving.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, like I didn't get all the information, like, no, like, if I'm gonna go to the west side to ask somebody one question, I'm gonna ask it. I'm not just gonna like freely get back on the 10.

• 44:21Chris Ryan?

  For the last five minutes, I've basically been a little bit distracted because I keep thinking about what truly your vision of an alien invasion utopia would be. And it would be living at Banden with Tiger, Phil and Rory. And golfing every day, but they always lose by like one stroke to you.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  To the point where they are like, like, we don't have to discuss it. They all just know.

• 44:51Chris Ryan?

  But like you could get like Jim Nance to come to announce, you know?

• 44:55Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, we'd have to pair this because you would be there.

• 44:59Chris Ryan?

  I would like to be, yeah, but I don't know if I would have been one of the, I don't know if I would have, would I be an other or would I be one of the survivors, you know?

• 45:07Speaker 04

  What do you want to be? I think it would be funny if the two of us were there as survivors. And we were like doing like a two man Ryder Cup style.

• 45:14Chris Ryan?

  How many years would we, I would have so many things I was like, if we're just acting stuff out, you know what I mean? Like, I'd love to just act out Rio Bravo. I'd love to act out like an Italian police crime movie. Like, we would be pretty busy for like a decade.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  We, there is no reason to think that we could make, that we couldn't make like a Gus Van Zant Psycho shot for shot remake of Shoot First, Die Later.

• 45:41Chris Ryan?

  Or of Gus Van Zant Psycho.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Or Gus Van Zant. A shot for shot remake of Gus Van Zant Psycho.

• 45:48Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think that the aliens would be like, uh, you guys are pretty stupid.

• 45:55Speaker 04

  This is like, we can't tell you if there's a way to revert back to the way it was, and we're also not gonna do that. We'll give you the atom bomb, we'll do that, but we're not gonna do... You wanna do, like, we could even, I mean, the planes are there for us. We could go shoot on the original locations.

• 46:12Chris Ryan?

  I know.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Of Shoot First, Hail Later.

• 46:14Chris Ryan?

  They're for us, I mean, Hoyt, Van Hoyt's gonna shoot, like, in IMAX for us if we wanted to, yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Everybody knows how to do everything, we could do it. You're not gonna have to wait to see the Christopher Nolan odyssey.

• 46:27Chris Ryan?

  Fuck that.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  Fuck that, you're in it.

• 46:28Chris Ryan?

  I'm Odysseus, how about that?

• 46:30Speaker 04

  You're Odysseus. And you have the time and the access to people who can get you in the shape that Matt Damon is in currently.

• 46:36Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I'm trying to think of when I would get bored of this.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  It would get bored.

• 46:39Chris Ryan?

  It would be a decade. I think I have 10 years of stuff I'd like to experience before I'd be like, oh, God, I really love to protect my individuality here, you know?

• 46:48Speaker 04

  But I would definitely be along for the ride of you and me and the other survivors banding five, six days at a time. Trying, you know, getting stock tips from Phil Mickelson at the bar afterwards.

• 47:00Chris Ryan?

  He's betting on us. Okay, last Pluribus thing is, this episode, the sixth one, did seem to be the one that started to trigger some fan theories. Some like, some conversations about like, what's going on here, where is this going, what might be at stake. The thing I wanted to ask you is, have you considered whether or not, while they can't lie and they don't wanna hurt anything, that this force, this virus, this outside force, that basically, like, they will sometimes lie by omission? Because the theory out there is that, you know, this idea that this, they come to this planet and they're like, well, we can't kill anything,

• 47:44Chris Ryan?

  so we're gonna starve in 10 years, or whatever it's gonna be. But that that might be in and of itself some kind of weapon to wipe out the planet of human life.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 47:56Chris Ryan?

  So that Carol's even initial kind of fear about, oh, is this, is this like an alien invasion? Or is this an apocalypse? It is, but it's like slow cinema apocalypse.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  Oh, man, I'm like, God, I'm such a trusting person.

• 48:10Chris Ryan?

  Well, that's the thing is that I think that there's something about this show that almost makes you trusting. This was in Polygon, somebody had like, somebody wrote this theory up and I was like, yeah, because I do wonder what, whether or not like Gilligan will identify like the, the, the true tension of the show or the true obstacle of the show. Is it just Carol? And her wandering the kind of the wasteland like, like, you know, and figuring out different problem solving exercises? Or is there something that we're going to find out where it's like, no, this is why they came here and this is why this is happening?

• 48:46Speaker 04

  It's hard for me.

• 48:47Chris Ryan?

  Or this is why they sent this virus here. Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a little hard for me to like prognosticate on it, I guess, only because like, because I am so trusting. Like I'll just take exactly what they give me and believe in it. But I do wonder like, if it is that, and I'm making this up in this moment. So if it doesn't make sense, I apologize. If it is that, if it is ultimately a thing of like, our goal is to like wipe out that planet. And it is just sort of like an, like a arch evil thing. Does that make the show less interesting? Like obviously like they're incredible writers and like they're always going to make a good show. But does it become a little bit more regular?

• 49:30Chris Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  If it's all of a sudden just, oh yeah, they're all evil and we got to stop the evil. Whereas this world that we're in, it's so, it sort of swings wildly back and forth between are they evil or are they not?

• 49:42Chris Ryan?

  Or what is evil?

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Or what is evil?

• 49:44Chris Ryan?

  If evil presents itself in such a benevolent way, is it evil?

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Is it more interesting to watch her figure that out? Or like, I guess that's my question, would that make it? And I'll ask it to you, like, would that make it a little bit too just sort of like, good versus evil Avengers end game? We got to destroy these guys who are trying to snap away 50% of the world or whatever.

• 50:06Chris Ryan?

  I, I don't know, but I also know that like the way that Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul changed from their first season to their fifth seasons or their, you know, it's like, I, I don't think that. Pluribus season three is gonna look like Pluribus season one at all, you know?

• 50:23Speaker 04

  In that, in that way, Pluribus season, or Pluribus episode three didn't look like-

• 50:28Chris Ryan?

  Anything of Pluribus episode six, yeah, right.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, they're all so different, that, I, what, like, one amazing thing about it is that, like, my interest in where it goes is kind of small, because this is, I mean, it's like, one of the first shows in a while where I am just like, moment to moment of this thing is so incredible-

• 50:54Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  That I'm like, wherever it goes, that's great with me, because I get to watch all this happen.

• 50:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, and it's also like, you, you can take joy in like, every moment of it, where it's like-

• 51:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:03Chris Ryan?

  It's like, to the same point about the answering machine message, like, all of the stones that she puts down as a memorial slash protective layer to like, keep Helen's body safe, you're like, just put a hundred stones. I, I just like, the way this is shot, the way it looks, the way it's cut, it's so, it's so rewarding. All right, I gave you one piece of homework-

• 51:21Speaker 04

  You did.

• 51:21Chris Ryan?

  For this Andy Greenwald fill-in job. I asked you to watch your first ever episode of Landman-

• 51:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:28Chris Ryan?

  With this weekend's episode, Dancing Rainbows.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, just like, fully fucking raw-dogging Landman with dancing rainbows.

• 51:35Chris Ryan?

  Any, did you have any preconceived notions going into this? Did you know anything about it? Had you seen any commercials for it, anything?

• 51:44Speaker 04

  All that I knew about it was you talking about it. Andy kind of making fun of you for talking about it?

• 51:53Chris Ryan?

  No, but he's, this is, this is the thing, is that, like, he's now secretly addicted.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 51:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think, like, he got a little taste, and now I think he's dabbling on the side where he's like, "I watch Landman just in case, like, if you're ready."

• 52:06Speaker 04

  If you're ready, if you want, I mean, it's completely up to you. The only other thing that I knew about it was like, Billy Bob Thornton, like, on the PR train wearing all like, the jingle jangle. Like, that was the only other thing I knew about it. So, truly, that's it. That's all I knew.

• 52:21Chris Ryan?

  The floor is yours.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  I gotta say- After watching that episode and the way you almost like presented it to me, it was like, oh, big episode tonight. And so I was like, really expecting like fireworks and executions. You know what I mean? And so maybe there are some like emotional things happening here that I

• 52:40Chris Ryan?

  Probably didn't land as much.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  That probably didn't land as much.

• 52:43Chris Ryan?

  Spent that much time with the Norris family yet. Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  I will say like, I dug it and part and like, part of it is like, man, if you fucking sit Sam Elliott down looking at his sunset.

• 52:58Chris Ryan?

  With Billy Bob?

• 52:59Speaker 04

  With Billy Bob?

• 53:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  And they're like, kind of talking very directly and unemotionally about emotions.

• 53:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like, let's fucking do it. Like, I'm probably gonna watch some more Landman.

• 53:11Chris Ryan?

  This is a strange episode to be giving you as a first piece of homework because I think there are others, specifically like there are episodes, many episodes where the Ally Larter character has an outsized role and does things that are tonally incongruous with the rest of the show.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Really?

• 53:29Chris Ryan?

  So in some ways, you may have seen the most sober, solemn, and traditionally quote unquote, good episode of Landman that you possibly could have seen.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:38Chris Ryan?

  But in that, it is not actually representative of Landman or the glories of this show because the only thing that was sort of off quote unquote for this show was Rebecca, who you don't know who is the lawyer for the Demi Moore, Billy Bob Thornton Oil Company. She went to Northwestern. She's an outsider in this oil industry. And so she's constantly being lectured about how things are done in Texas. Now she is like the corporate lawyer for this company. I don't know where she was going on that plane that we saw her on, but the plot line of her on this episode where she is getting shithoused on watermelon infused vodka.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:19Chris Ryan?

  From a ranch hand.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:21Chris Ryan?

  And then really enjoying the, I have never flown on a private plane. Have you ever heard of that taking off from a full stop kind of thing that they do there?

• 54:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:33Chris Ryan?

  Not into it.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  But I have been on planes that have been knocked around that much.

• 54:37Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  And I will tell you, I'm on her side.

• 54:40Chris Ryan?

  Of like, this is death.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  Of the, this is, what the fuck are we doing? This is immoral.

• 54:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:47Chris Ryan?

  So in this episode, Rebecca takes this private plane, I assume to Fort Worth. And they're like, oh yeah, a lot of wind. And they explain that like, the private plane is gonna do basically like a takeoff from a stopped position, which essentially puts it on a fucking elevator going up through like incredible turbulence. And it just looks like the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. And the dude next to her was like, we don't die this way. I was like, are you sure?

• 55:11Speaker 04

  Are you sure?

• 55:12Chris Ryan?

  Cause this is how many, whenever you read about an airplane crash in LA, it's always one of those and they go fucking right into the ocean. So I mean.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Is, is that a big thing for her that she would, is he, would he be considered a roughneck?

• 55:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I think he's like, we're gonna find out that he's also a geologist or something. Like he has, I mean, it's got a pretty nice place in Fort Worth.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:34Chris Ryan?

  So he works in the oil industry, but I don't know what he does yet.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 55:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  But am I getting the sense that maybe this is not the person she would normally choose?

• 55:43Chris Ryan?

  Opposite's track, brother.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 55:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  All right.

• 55:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Kinda like that.

• 55:46Chris Ryan?

  You'd expect her to be with some dweeby guy in New York who does like mergers and acquisitions. But you know, the heart wants what the heart wants.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Wants what the heart wants. And I do like that he is like, uh, it's a great character introduction of like, he seems sweet.

• 56:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 04

  And he seems charming. And like when he's telling her like, you know, use the, use the aromatherapy thing. You gotta put it on, you gotta put it on the sink drain.

• 56:13Speaker 04

  Like I kinda, I come, I'm kinda into this guy. Like he seems like a good dude.

• 56:17Chris Ryan?

  I would imagine that being your first episode, you are not aware of the fact that Andy Garcia's character is in fact a money launderer for the cartel.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  No, I'm not.

• 56:27Chris Ryan?

  But that's, that's sort of the wrinkle in her asking Andy Garcia to fund her offshore drilling thing. Now, Demi Moore's character was married to Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm, awesome on the first season, dies of a heart attack. So she inherits this company.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Truly had no idea.

• 56:42Chris Ryan?

  The entire first season of the show, this is actually like really worth recapping to you. The entire first season of the show, Demi Moore's in like five episodes of the first season, swimming laps or like walking around in the background of a scene or maybe having like a line or two, but it's usually like, honey, have your green juice or honey, take your heart pill. And then Jon Hamm drops dead at the end of the first season and Demi Moore takes over like the company.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Jon Hamm is in the entire first season of this television show.

• 57:09Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, mostly him getting off private planes, talking on his cellphone to Billy Bob. So like he could have shot his stuff in like six days, honestly.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:17Chris Ryan?

  But like he is, he is like Billy Bob, he's 1A with Billy Bob.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  No shit.

• 57:23Chris Ryan?

  And then has dies at the end of it. So Demi Moore has taken over this company. They have like an outstanding lawsuit problem with like an offshore facility off of Louisiana. And they quickly need $400 million because it turns out Hamm was not good with money.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:40Chris Ryan?

  And they're going to get it from the cartel, it would appear. The cartel is also heavily involved with Billy Bob's sons' oil fields.

• 57:48Speaker 04

  Which is the guy who wore the Texas Tech hat?

• 57:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  I, that might have been, and this is, I can't pretend to know about the Panhandle. But growing up in rural Maine, there is something so lived in and familiar about somebody putting on a sport coat and a tie.

• 58:05Chris Ryan?

  Like not taking their hat off.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  But not taking their hat off.

• 58:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:08Speaker 04

  And, and, and, and that no one in that world would be like, look, we're at a funeral. You have to take that hat off.

• 58:15Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  No, that's, that's old Connor. It's Connor?

• 58:18Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Cooper.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  Cooper.

• 58:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  That's Cooper's hat.

• 58:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Like he doesn't take it off. Like that felt really specific and lived in in a way.

• 58:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. So that guy recently became like a billionaire.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 58:28Chris Ryan?

  Because he dug six wells in these really random parts of Texas and they all hit. But it was funded by a fly by night finance company that is apparently like Andy Garcia's cartel.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Cartel related.

• 58:42Chris Ryan?

  And the cartel already doesn't like Billy Bob because they beefed in the first season.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 58:47Chris Ryan?

  So there's, now they're intertwined, but this weird thing that Taylor Sheridan does where he'll be like, what if for two or three episodes, Andy Garcia was just a cool guy and hung out and drank tequila and like warned Kami off of like dealing with him and

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:00Chris Ryan?

  All this stuff and has a nice wife. He'll be the villain at some point, but um, there, there was that. And then there's also Cooper and his girlfriend, Ariana, um, who they've broken up and gotten back together like two or three times since.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 59:13Chris Ryan?

  We're only on episode four of the second season.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  I mean, that was the one thing where. There are gonna be some things in like relationships that maybe feel a little bit regressive.

• 59:23Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  There were moments in that where I was like, oh, this is like borderline on like, oh, this is borderline like actually like a good lesson.

• 59:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  Like, listen, you know, don't, don't try to make decisions for that person, but then, but then Sam Elliott comes in with, you ain't gonna know the rules.

• 59:42Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  At least you'll just be thankful you knew what they once were.

• 59:46Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say, man, Sam Elliott could be like reading a Chinese menu backwards and I'd be like, well, that's really profound.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  God, he's so fucking good.

• 59:54Chris Ryan?

  And he doesn't have to stand up in this, in this season of TV. He fucked his hip up during making 1883.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:00:01Chris Ryan?

  Have you ever watched any Taylor Sheridan shows?

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:05Chris Ryan?

  Did you watch Yellowstone at all or?

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  I didn't. I started Yellowstone, didn't, didn't really continue with it. I think, I think honestly, the only Taylor Sheridan show that I've really seen a lot of is Sons of Anarchy before he got run over by that truck.

• 1:00:19Chris Ryan?

  Right. Well, he's just an actor in that one. Yeah.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  Oh, but I will say like, I think I do really like Taylor Sheridan's movies.

• 1:00:27Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Like, I know that's a conversation with you and Sean.

• 1:00:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, we like it's, he's definitely by being the most prolific and successful television showrunner in modern times has left his true calling, which is writing like super tight, awesome 90 minute thrillers and crime movies. Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  Crime movies. And like, it is that thing of like, like, I'm so glad that he is employing half of the country on these television shows. But also, man, like as like, as we've talked about, as like fans of the genre of like

• 1:01:01Chris Ryan?

  I miss how we're high water. Yeah.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. 90 minute crime thrillers. Like, couldn't you just squeeze out a couple more of those?

• 1:01:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. I mean, um. This episode was like, kind of amazing because it was one of the first times they've brought a lot of these characters together into the same room and then made them behave themselves. Usually they'll have Billy Bob's wife and daughter. Much of the first season and second season so far have been their work, I swear to God, on my life. In a senior citizens living community where they're trying to basically sexually awaken these old people by taking them to strip clubs, getting them drunk on margaritas, just trying to make them feel again. I don't know if they're associated with a charity or why. I can't even remember

• 1:01:47Chris Ryan?

  why they started doing this, but there will be like, four scenes of life or death negotiations of oil fields and also cartel activity and then it'll just like, hard cut, Ally Larter in an old person's home, being like, "Yeah mama, shake it!" And like, getting like, they're doing zumba dancing or going to a strip club. So it is definitely...

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  I love seeing Ally Larter.

• 1:02:11Chris Ryan?

  It's great.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  Love seeing Ally Larter.

• 1:02:14Chris Ryan?

  I really enjoyed the fact that he is also just making like, another show that, where it's like, the disaster of the week at an oil field. So this week, we had a huge car crash to start.

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:28Chris Ryan?

  You're not really supposed to know what's going on there.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:31Chris Ryan?

  I don't know. We haven't, they haven't revealed it, but the week previous, there was a chemical leak at a different plant, at a different gas field. And so like, you're just supposed to get the feeling that like, there are always fires to put out at this oil company and that things are going wrong, like, in and around them. I don't know what the larger story is gonna be with that.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  That was the one thing as somebody who knew nothing about it.

• 1:02:53Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cold open must have been very confusing.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  The cold open was like, "Oh shit, Chris wasn't lying when he said this is gonna be an insane episode. There's somebody like, running a tube from their exhaust."

• 1:03:03Chris Ryan?

  The guy was trying to take his own life.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Chris Ryan?

  While another guy was just like, "I just happened to be driving down this dirt road and I hit you going 80 miles per hour." But the truck driver died and the guy in the pickup truck lived, but lost an arm.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  Oh, so that guy with the arm was the, okay, so the pickup truck driver lived?

• 1:03:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  Ah, tough situation.

• 1:03:21Chris Ryan?

  And now he's in the same hospital as the dude who's got-

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  With the blind.

• 1:03:24Chris Ryan?

  Chemical, uh, chemical leak blindness, so yeah. I'm glad you, I'm glad I introduced this to you.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  I mean, it's fun. It's not like a, like, it's not like a lot of, there's not like a lot of Venn diagram overlap with my interests, I would say broadly, but like, walking away from it, I was like, ah, ah, ah, when Sam Elliott and Billy Bob were like, you know, deserving, got nothing to do with it.

• 1:03:49Chris Ryan?

  I was like, alright, I'm forgiven, let's go.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  Right, let's fucking go, like, I'm kinda down.

• 1:03:53Chris Ryan?

  If I can give you one assignment for your holiday viewing, and then maybe you give me a shout in January.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:03:59Chris Ryan?

  Manzoukas is already on board with this, Mallory Rubin's already on board with this, I need you to watch Shorzy.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  I, I will, I will.

• 1:04:06Chris Ryan?

  I did, do you grow up playing hockey?

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  No, but I grew up watching a lot of it, yeah.

• 1:04:10Chris Ryan?

  It'll mean a lot to you.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Okay. I got kicked out of like, the, my high school's, uh, club hockey championship, because we went to the grocery store and bought a bunch of like, fish. And then whenever they scored a goal, we would throw fish on the ice, and they were like, guys, like, this isn't like an NHL game, like, it's actually really hard for us to clean this up.

• 1:04:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  And so we got kicked out. And also, we did it, there were like, thirty people there, so it was pretty clear who was doing it.

• 1:04:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's not like you could be like, I don't know, it's the other guy, yeah.

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  Not to bore you with, uh, me getting kicked out of ice hockey games.

• 1:04:47Chris Ryan?

  No, please.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  But there was a, there was an ice hockey, like, rec, sort of rec, like, industry ice hockey league out here, that I think Bruckheimer played in?

• 1:04:57Chris Ryan?

  No way!

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  Yes, and, uh, and my old manager, Ben, had like, come up as like, you know, he was like, on the possibly going professional hockey track, like, went to a high school to specialize in that.

• 1:05:10Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  Played around, and so, he had a bunch of like, hockey friends, and they played in this thing, and we all went to like, one of like, we all went to one of his games. And this is even dumber because there were like seven of us that were friends with him that went to that game and there was nobody else and we were all banging on the glass so hard that they asked us to leave.

• 1:05:33Chris Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  This is true. This is the second I've been, I've been to not very many hockey games, but I apparently have gotten kicked out of the majority of them.

• 1:05:41Chris Ryan?

  That's incredible.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Chris Ryan?

  Tim, thank you for joining me today.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Chris, what a pleasure. Wait, do we need to check in with Kaya to see, do we know yet if we're going to the Golden Globes? Has anything changed since the beginning of this episode?

• 1:05:53Speaker 05

  Still a question mark.

• 1:05:54Chris Ryan?

  Still up in the air.

• 1:05:55Speaker 05

  I don't think you guys ever circle back on zins and golf, though.

• 1:05:58Chris Ryan?

  No, I mean, we talked about golf in terms of what we would do with our fantasy pleuribus time. If this happened, I definitely would just start smoking again because I would just assume.

• 1:06:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:06:08Chris Ryan?

  That they would have top of the line healthcare.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:11Chris Ryan?

  Um, never have to pay for a pack again.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Chris Ryan?

  Also get packs delivered to me via drone or person.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  And you could actually just like, you could just be like, look, I want you to get 10 million of the best scientific minds together and focus specifically on lung cancer.

• 1:06:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  And then I want you to take another 10 and have them focus specifically on how to get rid of the feeling you get when you smoke too much the night before.

• 1:06:40Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, also like there should be a spray that takes the smell off you so that like of other people. But then again, like by that point, there would only be nine other people in the world who had any real individual taste anyway. So you would really not have to worry about that that much. You could just, I just want to go back to, I want to have like one week where I get smoking doors again.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. God, that would be fucking great. It was nice also to see inland man, speaking of landman, see people smoking indoor. Oh.

• 1:07:04Chris Ryan?

  Smoking darts.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  Just ripping darts rules.

• 1:07:06Chris Ryan?

  Uh, Tim, thanks so much for joining me. We'll be back on Thursday with Andy and uh, thank you to Kaya and Kai.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

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• 1:07:50Speaker 07

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• 1:08:08Speaker 02

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