Bonus Episode: A Disgraceful Christmas List – Rockstars Set Up, Busted, and Sentenced During the Holidays

This week in the After Party, Jake takes a look at all the disgraceful deeds committed by rock stars during the holiday season. Plus, your emails, calls, and DMs! In the exclusive portion of the After Party, Jake and Dr. Zeth Lundy further examine the Christmastime nightclub shooting that allegedly involved Diddy. You can become an All Access member today by visiting disgracelandpod.com. https://www.disgracelandpod.com/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:43Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027,

• 1:28Jake Brennan?

  to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners WiseCrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.

• 2:06Jake Brennan?

  Hey, discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:32Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're discussing the wild arrests, setups, and true crimes that happened during holiday seasons past from music history. In the exclusive portion, we dive into the way in which Diddy allegedly avoided serving hard time for one of those holiday true crimes. We share with you something pretty awesome that happened to us here in Disgrace Land this past week, and we get into your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who

• 3:17Jake Brennan?

  know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories that didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, this goes, let's get into it.

• 3:34Jake Brennan?

  Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, hope everyone's having a great holiday season, however you celebrate. All right, listen, I'm late in putting my Christmas list together this year, but it's a different kind of list. It's not a list of what I want for Christmas, it's not a list of my favorite Christmas songs, it's not a list of my favorite unintentional Christmas songs, though, more on that later. It's a list, a ranked list of true crimes from music history that happened during the holidays. Now, you'd be surprised how many of the stories that we cover here in Disgrace Land have happened around the holiday season. It's way more than I thought, pretty shocking actually, but I have a theory. You've heard the phrase, "The devil finds work for idle hands to do."

• 4:17Jake Brennan?

  Well, I prefer one that is slightly similar but means the same thing. Idle hands are the devil's workshop. One could also say that music history is the devil's workshop, and the workshop gets real busy around the holidays. With all those rock stars sitting around at home without the structure of the road, bored to death by domesticity, just itching to get themselves into trouble. The holidays are the perfect time for rock star true crime as the record shows. So here's a list, ranked of course, of some of the more outrageous crimes committed in music history, not all outrageous, some just interesting, right around the holiday season. Okay. So many, of course, have been covered, like I said, in detail here in Disgrace

• 5:01Jake Brennan?

  and but most without calling out the relative holiday spirit until now. Number 10 comes from an artist that we've yet to cover, but definitely will at some point, DMX. And December 15th, 2002, during a run of his career where running into authorities for all kinds of stuff, everything spanning weapons charges to animal cruelty. DMX was arrested a couple of weeks before Christmas for burying his 5411 size seven in girls into the gas pedal and burning 104 miles an hour down the highway. I don't know that I've ever gone, I've never pushed it that fast. I push it pretty fast

• 5:44Jake Brennan?

  sometimes, but I don't think I've ever been just under 105. I hope not anyways. Anyhow, speeding was the least of DMX's problems that Christmas. He was also arrested for driving an unregistered vehicle without a license. On top of everything else, DMX was up to, he was sentenced to 70 days in jail eventually for that incident. And there's a whole bunch of other stuff that DMX got in trouble for. The DMX story, to me, it's a very sad story and I don't yet know how to tell it, but I know that we will at some point here in Disgrace and I gotta find a different way of telling it than that doc that came out a couple of years ago. That's what's been holding me up. Anyhow, number nine, Joan Baez. You can't accuse Bob Dylan's girlfriend of being idle

• 6:29Jake Brennan?

  during the holidays back in 1967 because on December 19th, Joan Baez, I kid about the Bob Dylan girlfriend thing. I'm not a huge Joan, I don't like Joan Baez. There, I said it, but I don't, I don't mean to just, you know. Discredit her as being Bob Dylan's girlfriend. I understand how important she is in music history. And I actually think that Joan Baez, for whatever reason, doesn't get enough, I don't want to say credit, I guess, credit. I feel like we don't, we don't understand fully how big Joan Baez was. Because Bob Dylan is caught up in her story and she ends up in his shadow and he's massive.

• 7:07Jake Brennan?

  But she was an enormous star before Dylan came along and was after Dylan split as well. But for whatever reason, you know, maybe it's like I said, the Dylan shadow thing, whatever the reason is, it's, we don't think of it that way anymore. I don't know why. We just kind of forget about it. You know, we just kind of, oh, that's Joan Baez. Anyhow, Joan Baez, 1967. Also, Joan Baez, I was gonna say this, absolutely stunning, beautiful. And even though I don't like Joan Baez's music, her voice, you can't, you can't argue with how, I guess, compelling a, an

• 7:46Jake Brennan?

  artist she was. And she captivated not just the American public, but she captivated men like John Lennon, for example, Johnny Cash, all kinds of guys who were just blown away by Joan Baez. Anyhow, 1967, like I said, she was not resting during the holiday season. She was arrested for leading an anti-war, anti-Vietnam war sit-in in Oakland, California at an Army Induction Center. Joan was putting in work during that holiday off time. Unlike number eight Chuck Berry, who was fucking around in the worst possible way, or one of the worst possible ways, a couple of days before Christmas in 1959, when Chuck was arrested in St. Louis, Missouri for transporting

• 8:31Jake Brennan?

  a 14-year-old girl across state lines for immoral purposes, a crime known as the Man Act. Chuck Berry was sentenced to five years hard time in federal prison. Chuck appealed that sentence and Santa smiled upon the rock and roll pioneer and reduced his sentence to just three years. Chuck ended up serving just 20 months. You know, I've done a lot of, a lot of work on Chuck Berry. We did that Chuck Berry episode, but there's also an expanded version of that story in my book. And I don't think the Christmas of it all ever really came into the story. Apologies if you can hear my. The faint, the faint yelp and shout of my kids, they're out in the front yard here

• 9:13Jake Brennan?

  playing baseball and you know what, it's Christmas break. I can't, I can't, can't squash their spirit. All right, moving on from Chuck Berry at number eight, number seven, in early December, 1973, as The Who were wrapping up their tour in time to return home for the holidays, they celebrated the performance of a particularly explosive show in Montreal by destroying in epic fashion their suite at the Hotel Bonaventure. Now, before all was said and done, this is, look, this has been documented elsewhere, but it's still shocking to me. And, and I didn't really get into it in the Who, Who episodes that we've, that we've produced, because it's

• 9:58Jake Brennan?

  just, it's just such a part of rock and roll lore, but fuck it, let's do it. Before all was said and done, okay. After this after show party, this after party, after the Who's show in Montreal, they're back at the Hotel Bonaventure and they decide they're so excited, they're so pumped, they're so blitzed on whatever they're taking that they're going to destroy the hotel suite, which, you know, back in 1973, wasn't as rote as it is now for rock stars. But anyhow, after all was said and done, sofas had been rocketed out of the hotel suite's windows, a television set ended up in the pool, Pete Townsend's blood somehow was splattered across the art on the hotel suite's walls and Pete, Keith Moon and John Antwistle were all hauled

• 10:43Jake Brennan?

  into jail by the local police and in the end, let go and just ordered to pay damages. And with all that activity, The Who still made it to their gig in Boston in time, the next night, before eventually breaking for the holidays. So, a little bit of epic. Rock star debauchery there from the holidays. I'd heard that story before. I did not know it took place during the holiday season. Number six, just after celebrating the New Year's holiday in 2008, Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne, you might remember back from season six, season seven of Disgrace and was arrested in Arizona after his tour bus was raided. He was given probation for that charge, probation to be completed once his stay in prison was finished. I know it's all very

• 11:27Jake Brennan?

  confusing. You can hear about it all in our Lil Wayne episode. Number five, we just talked about this one. Trey Anastasio of the Fish, as the kids call them, was arrested just before Christmas in 2006 while whipping down the road, blitzed on prescription meds and charged with heroin possession, an event that no doubt made for a tense Christmas around the Fish camp that year. Trey eventually pleaded guilty and avoided prison time and got clean and continues to perform with the Fish and without the heroin. So there you go. That's number five. Number four, on New Year's Eve, this is my favorite one, because it's so fucked up. On New Year's Eve, 1948, Billie Holiday, who I love, okay, one of my favorite singers and just, I don't care,

• 12:08Jake Brennan?

  one of the greatest vocalists of all time. Billie Holiday was caught up in a club melee, a brawl, and charged with assault with a deadly weapon on three counts. This is on New Year's Eve, 1948. Now, on the day of her hearing, she heads up to San Francisco to perform for a sold out crowd at a club, which the name is escaping me, while staying, however, in the San Francisco Hotel Mark Twain, I can't forget that name. Billie was then, so this is New Year's Day, Billie was then the target of a just despicably shameful FBI raid, and I believe set up by her

• 12:49Jake Brennan?

  manager, which is a whole other story. Billie was charged with opium possession and her career speeds to an end quickly after this and her demise is just horrifically sad. But in a weird twist, that notorious publicity for the arrest and

• 13:09Jake Brennan?

  The brawl, it fueled ticket sales for the rest of her tour. So she got a little, you know, New Year's, New Year's holiday bonus for Billie Holiday there, uh, who no doubt likely needed it, given all that was going on at the time in her life. Number three, in December 1999, at the club Kit Kat in New York, you know, this one Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z, back before he was Beyonce's husband, was busted for stabbing Lance Un Rivera. Remarkably, somehow Jay-Z only got probation for stabbing a dude. Santa doesn't fuck around with no dirt on Jay-Z's shoulder, is what I'm saying. Now, number two, not to be outdone by his rival Jay-Z. A couple of weeks later, Sean Puff Daddy Combs was busted two days after Christmas, following a shooting in

• 13:53Jake Brennan?

  a different New York City club. Puffy, as he was known then, was charged with criminal possession of a weapon and stolen property, but eventually beat the charge. Now, lot of theories about how Sean Combs avoided a guilty charge here, and he avoided going to prison. Lots of, lots of smoke out there. Uh, some of it is more than smoke, I think. Anyways, we're gonna get into these theories in the exclusive section of the after-party for all access members coming up in a bit, but first, number one on our list, number one, country singer, Merle Haggard, whose voice rivals Billie Holiday's in my estimation. I actually think, and this is because I've been listening to a ton of Merle Haggard lately, I think Merle

• 14:38Jake Brennan?

  Haggard has surpassed George Jones in my, in my opinion, uh, as far as country singers go, just, you know, subjectively, my fave. Um, I'm not saying that Merle Haggard is the greatest country singer, you know, whatever you might have, you might think it's George, you might think it's Willie, Johnny, whoever, but for me, it was George Jones for most of my life. But there's just something about Merle that has, has got me hooked lately, the richness, uh, the depth of that voice. I envy it. I really, I really do. And I, I just can't get enough of it. Anyways, Merle was busted on Christmas Day for knocking over a restaurant the night before in an armed robbery. And this was an event that led

• 15:22Jake Brennan?

  Merle to do Hard Time at San Quentin and eventually to getting serious about his musical career after he saw Johnny Cash perform live at San Quentin. And ultimately, this all led to Merle Haggard writing one of the greatest Christmas songs of all time, If We Make It Through December, a song I'm proud to say that my seven-year-old now loves. We've been listening to, it's actually, there's a Merle Christmas album. We've been listening to the whole album a lot lately, and that might have something to do with why Merle Haggard is number one on my list here. The numbering doesn't matter. The ranking doesn't matter. These are all fascinating stories that you can tell this Christmas while you're hanging out with your fam. You know, it gets to the later

• 16:05Jake Brennan?

  part of the day, football's, you know, not as interesting as it was earlier. You know, you're all kind of, you get to get a little turkey hangover, maybe you get a little, a little too much bourbon in you, whatever it is, and you need something to liven up the party, you can go to any one of these stories. And there will be relevance, of course, because of the holidays. And, you know, you'll, you know, you might be a little entertaining yourself telling these stories of, you know, massively transgressive entertainers. This list could easily have been a top 20, maybe even a top 50. I don't know. I didn't mention holiday season arrests for a ton of DisgraceLand artists. James Brown, Jim Morrison, Sam Cooke, Gigi Allen. I'm sure with more research into the DisgraceLand archive, I

• 16:48Jake Brennan?

  could have pulled out a ton more. The holidays in music history, the devil's workshop as demonstrated by DisgraceLand. When we get back, I'm going to play you something that's sure to blow your mind. And then we're also going to get into your calls, voicemails, and texts.

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• 17:44Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 18:15Speaker 00

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• 18:58Speaker 00

  cloud platforms, data pipelines, AI models, software tools. Most days, these systems operate quietly in the background. But when something changes, like costs go up or rules shift, organizations are forced to confront how much control and flexibility they actually have. So to understand the challenge up close, I traveled to Paris to speak with IBM's Anupala Assis Anaxas CIO, Giovanni Daniele, two people who think about these questions every day.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  Hear the full conversation at ibm.com/smarttalks or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 19:49Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. And before we get into your voicemails, texts, and more, I wanted to mention that one of my favorite Disgraceland stories is available for you guys right now in the feed. And that is the Christmas story on the death of one of Elvis Presley's favorite singers, Memphis's own Johnny Ace. And if you're looking for something to do, this is, you know, you know, get around the tree here on Christmas, fire up the old Disgraceland feed and get into the Christmas vibes. This is a dark but fascinating story, and it's absolutely a holiday story. Johnny Ace and the myth of Johnny Ace and his death on Christmas Day was most definitely an influence on an artist that I think most

• 20:34Jake Brennan?

  of us know and love, Lou Reed from the Velvet Underground. Now Lou, just like those who spread the false myth of Johnny Ace's death after the Johnny Ace Christmas tragedy, Lou Reed himself was about as unreliable a narrator as is possible to find in rock and roll history. So because of that, we thought it was a good time of year to bring Lou back into the feed with our unreliable take on the Lou Reed origin story. These two Lou Reed episodes are, I'm just gonna say it, they're fucking weird, man. I was reading a bunch of Raymond Chandler books at the time because Lou Reed was heavily influenced

• 21:15Jake Brennan?

  by Raymond Chandler. And I had just had my head buried in that massive book of Lou Reed lyrics. And I was obviously reading and watching a ton of Lou Reed interviews where Lou is basically just lying through all of them about himself. So what you hear in these two episodes is a result of me taking all of that in and kind of channeling Lou as an unreliable narrator into the storytelling. And, you know, it's weird, but it's fun. And they're produced in an excellent way. I, you know, just I'm very proud of the job that the Double Elvis team did with these stories. So those, those are going to be

• 21:58Jake Brennan?

  available in the archive coming up right after, right after this, right? Yeah.

• 22:05Jake Brennan?

  Next week, we of course, keep the holiday vibes alive with our episode on Derek and the Dominos, those dominos being Dwayne Allman and Eric Clapton and one Jim Gordon. And we tell this story of violent schizophrenia in conjunction with the story of the Lawson family murders, which happened on Christmas Day back in 1929 and was immortalized in song in the great murder ballad, The Lawson Family Murder by the Carolina Buddies and later popularized by Doc Watson. If you're from the American South, if you're a true crime fan, if you're from North or South Carolina, if you love Clapton, the Allmans, or are a drummer and want to hear about one of the greatest drummers of all time and

• 22:47Jake Brennan?

  his, his slip into madness, then you are going to want to listen to this episode if you are any of those things. And even if you're not. All right, let's hear from you guys. Cause you know, it's been about a week and I, you know, we haven't checked in. Charlie checked in from the 912.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Yo Jake, this is Charlie calling in from Georgia. All right. So here's the thing. I think it goes without saying that you and your team and everyone that listens to the show knows what an awesome podcast that Disgrace Lane is. But I wanted to take this opportunity to tell you two reasons why I specifically love the show personally. Okay. Number one, it's not about race or politics or religion or all the other horsemanure that we use to tear each other apart day after day. No, it's a show that has a great host. All right. That tells great stories about great artists that make the great music that we all know and love. And at the end of the day, that's what unifies us. Okay. And number two is I know I'm not alone when I say this, but I think the best part about the show

• 23:49Speaker 04

  are the introductions. Okay. And listening to you go, and why? Would I play you? A specific slice of such and such cheese? Could I afford it? Just cracks me up every single time, man. I love it. I wish you guys the best of the luck and all the success you could possibly handle. And again, thank you so much for a great show. All right, man. Peace.

• 24:09Jake Brennan?

  Charlie, I appreciate the message. Thank you, man. Thanks for spreading a little holiday, a little Christmas cheer. I hope you and your family are doing alright. Peace and love, and much more cheese coming, my man. That's all I gotta say. Specific slices of cheese. Alright, Matt, let's go to the 731.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Hey, it's Lizzy in the 731. Just following up on the video podcast of you and Ziff, talking about the Christmas song, the band, the politically incorrect disdain in your voice for "Baby It's Cold Outside." But, right after that, you kinda understood the whole Eartha Kitt solitary performance. The thing with "Baby It's Cold Outside" was the same thing. In the performances, sometimes, like on television, different things, the man would block the door, kinda keep her from going out. And I think that's what led to some of the backlash, more so than just the lyrics of the song. Not saying 100% agree with it, but I also could see the point in the Me Too movement, this song coming out at Christmas, kind of a bad timing situation. Not that it was a new song, but playing them again.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  And a lot of it was the performance. The man blocking the door, not allowing her to leave. It did give a little cringe factor, not gonna lie. And those vary depending on who performed it. So I think that might play into it just as well as Eartha Kitt being sexy, "Girl Can't Hip It." You know what I'm saying? So anyway, just following up on that, definitely feel like there's a little, um, little of that in there. That might be why. Cheese. Enjoy your holidays.

• 25:40Jake Brennan?

  Ah, 731. Great, great call. I didn't realize this. I did not understand that, and I totally see it. You know, there were TV performances of this song, "Baby It's Cold Outside," back in the day. And I can, I can, as you're describing it, I can see them hamming it up, and kinda acting it out, and dramatizing. And with that visual, I can see the thing being a little more, um, I can see the problem with it a little bit more clearly. However, any way you cut it, "Baby It's Cold Outside," politically correct, politically incorrect, however you view it, it's a fantastic song. Appreciate this little bit of information here, though, 731. Thank you.

• 26:20Jake Brennan?

  All right, over on the text machine, 416, I love this text. 416 writes in, "Hey, how about Christmas albums that don't exist but should? Like the Smiths, maybe. Songs such as 'Christmas is Over' or 'The Last Star I Shall See.' How about 'Santa Will Not Arrive', 'Happy Christmas, It May Be My Last, Away in a Manger and It Is Cold.'" This guy's got a whole track listing for a fake Smiths Christmas album. This is fantastic. It goes on, "The present I cannot give." The present I cannot give. That's a Morrissey song, man. "Christmas, Christmas for Caligula, this charming elf, and last but not least,

• 27:05Jake Brennan?

  shoplifters of the world unite on Boxing Day. Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and rock-a-rola. 416." You text in anytime you want. That was amazing. Appreciate you. We had this whole thing going last week, guys. We made a mix, an unintentional Christmas mix that's available for you to hear on Spotify, if you're following Disgrace Sam Pod, or if you're in on the chat. If you're in with us, this goes in Patreon. I posted the link up there. You can find the link to the mix, the playlist, very, very easily. Got another one here, another suggestion for untraditional Christmas songs. This one, the 508, says, "An interesting Christmas song, or a version of a Christmas song,

• 27:46Jake Brennan?

  I believe it was the band Weezer, 'Oh, Holy Night,' and it was in a sitcom show called Raising Hope. That's when I first heard it and I was like, oh shit." Love that 508. Thank you. 248 writes in on the same topic, "The last days of December. It's an obscure neo synth pop song from an obscure band on an even more obscure Christmas compilation. It's one of the prettiest songs I've ever heard, and one of the best things about December is that I get to go play it again and again. Here's to many more Decembers, 248." Love that. Ish wants an episode on Paris Hilton, sorry, on Lionel Richie, and we work our way in through the gateway of Nicole Richie and Paris Hilton. Ish.

• 28:31Jake Brennan?

  I like this idea. I think there's a lot. I think Lionel Richie has an autobiography as of recently, as of recently, as of lately, recently published. Yay, yay, yay. I need more coffee. That I'm just interested in reading as a, as a fan and learning more. I bet he's got a great perspective. The guy's been around forever. So Ish, you know, you might get your wish, Ish. Okay. Christmas wish for Ish. Unintentional holiday songs. Now, this is different from non-traditional Christmas or holiday songs. Unintentional. I forget who it was on Patreon brought up in the ghetto as being an unintentional Christmas song by Elvis Presley. And I can hear

• 29:13Jake Brennan?

  it. So we had a little convo going on Patreon about that and some folks chimed in. Joni Mitchell's River has Christmas imagery, but I don't think it classifies as a Christmas song, but I think it should. Or no, she says, I think it could go either way. That's Krista K. I don't know that song, Krista, but I'm gonna check it out. Michael Murphy writes in Apollo 100, Joy, a discofied version of Jehu, Joy of Man's Desiring. Is that Drive Like Jehu? Michael has a bunch here. Human Sexual Response from Boston. Land of the Glass Pinecones. Wow. Never heard that. Ben Fold's Five Brick as a Christmas song. Michael could have started and stopped his

• 29:55Jake Brennan?

  list with this next recommendation here for an unintentional Christmas song. And it just perfectly embodies this concept. It is A Long December by Counting Crows. I mean, come on. Love this tune. Haven't talked about it at all this holiday season. Could have. It's just smashing. Absolutely fabulous. Great TV show, by the way. Absolutely fabulous. Okay. Maybe next year we'll do more on this topic. I really like it because it's hard, you know? My brain just doesn't go to like 10 examples of this. You gotta think about it for a minute. Unintentional Christmas songs, songs that weren't intended to be Christmas, but somehow have ended up

• 30:36Jake Brennan?

  representing the holiday season for us. Anyways, I love this idea and perhaps we'll do more of it next year. Over on Instagram, let's see here. San Dullivan commented, which membership tier is this film should be played loud, available to? This will definitely persuade me to sign up for Patreon, even if it's only for you guys. Well, you can just sign up and have it be only for us on Patreon. That's how it works. You can support us at a number of different levels. The $10 tier is going to get you our new video podcasts that you asked about. This film should be played loud. It's going to get you ad free listening. It's going to also get you extra exclusive content every month.

• 31:21Jake Brennan?

  The mini episode, the, the bonus section of this bonus episode, the video version of these bonus episodes. And it's also, you're going to unlock the opportunity to meet with me and fellow discos twice a year to get on a Zoom and figure out what episodes we're going to be covering. There's also a whole bunch more. Patreon.com slash disgracenant. Actually, just go to disgracelandpod.com, right there on the homepage. You can sign up for Patreon. You can get a link to sign up. Hope to see it in the chat over on Patreon, dude, with all the other, with all the other discos. Now I'm going to take a quick break and when I come back, I gotta lay this, this thing on you guys, this thing that happened this past week that was pretty awesome.

• 32:06Jake Brennan?

  You might've heard of it. You might not have. Either way, we're going to get into it back in the flash.

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• 32:45Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with Dr. Lara Jayhai of Cleveland Clinic about how advanced computing is helping shorten the path from medical discovery to treatment.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trails that are more efficient, that would finish faster. That was the motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  Learn more about how Cleveland Clinic and IBM are using AI and quantum computing to revolutionize biomedical research at ibm.com/smarttalks.

• 34:23Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. So the other night, I'm up in my 11-year-old's bedroom. It's just after dinner, and I'm using his stereo, his double cassette recorder, to try and dub these cassettes of this holiday mix that I had made for a bunch of my friends. And it's a Christmas mix, all stuff from mine and my wife's Christmas vinyl collection. And anyhow, I'm putting the mix together. I'm fighting with this crappy little stereo because my double cassette recorder had broken previously, wasn't working. So now I'm using his, and he has a really shitty stereo. It's not his fault. I bought it for him.

• 35:07Jake Brennan?

  And I'm trying to get the thing to work. I'm super frustrated, you know, trying to do this thing. It's supposed to be easy, it's supposed to be fun, like it was when I was a kid. It's not fun. It's a pain in the ass. It's a pain in the ass to make mixtapes. It really is. I'm so spoiled. We're all so spoiled by the ease with which we can put together digital playlists. I'm in here. You know, here's the thing about making a cassette tape, you know, dubbing cassettes. How the hell did we write the track listings on those tapes? How did we fit the song and the artist?

• 35:40Jake Brennan?

  In one in 50% of the size of the cassette tape insert, it's impossible, absolutely impossible. So I'm super frustrated trying to do this. My wife yells up, she's like, hey, my Aunt Anne just texted me. And she told me that Disgrace Land was just on Jeopardy. And I'm going, that's not true. She's, she's, she's wrong. At least it wasn't, you know, the podcast Disgrace Land. Maybe they just said the word or something. That's what I was thinking. And I go back to being frustrated. And about five minutes later, I get a text from Avi Spivak, who,

• 36:23Jake Brennan?

  Avi does all the great illustrations for Disgrace Land and has since we launched the show. And Avi lives in somewhere in New York City. And I get this text from Avi. He's like, pretty cool, man. Disgrace Land on Jeopardy. I'm like, what? Now I'm like, you're kidding. What? Cause now I'm thinking, I'm thinking two things. I'm thinking it's real and wow, this is really fricking cool. Like I love, I love Jeopardy. I don't watch it every night, but I've watched it a lot throughout my life. And it's, you know, obviously a huge part of the fabric of our culture. So of course I'm like, this is amazing. But then I'm also just thinking like, wait a minute. Don't, don't, shouldn't they have given like me a heads up? If this was real, I'd know it was going to happen.

• 37:08Jake Brennan?

  And of course I had no heads up. So then I text Matt and Zeph, who you guys know, obviously. And I know I just something without even asking, I'm assuming that Matt Bowden is like the biggest Jeopardy fan on the planet. And I'm thinking if anybody watches this every night, it's him. And yeah, he's a super fan, but these guys aren't watching TV. They're doing whatever. Neither of them know what's up. And I think they're both kind of like, as I'm texting them, my, my thought thinking is like, dude, you're out of your fricking mind. Then my sister, my little sister, who's like hours from going into labor, texts me and she's like, we're watching it. And they saw it. They, they actually like,

• 37:50Jake Brennan?

  Had the clip and they sent it and turns out it aired up in the Northeast an hour before it aired where I'm at. So I was able to actually watch it, tape it and with my two sons who didn't know what the hell was going on, but thought it was pretty cool, as did my wife. And I don't, I don't know why, you know, I don't know why I think this is such a special thing. I've been, the show's been mentioned on, you know, other stuff that's as, as big arguably, I guess, or I don't know, part of the culture, but just something about Jeopardy. It's been around forever since I was a little kid and it's just, like I said, such a fabric of our culture that it really made me happy that our show, DisgraceLand, was mentioned. And we're going to play the clip for you guys right now. So you can, you

• 38:35Jake Brennan?

  can hear this. It was quick, of course. Matt, go ahead and play this for the peeps.

• 38:41Speaker 07

  Podcast for 400. As it focuses on music and misdeeds, DisgraceLand discussed the May through July 2025 trial of this rap mogul. Chris, who is doing it? Yes, Sean Combs.

• 38:55Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, that's DisgraceLand. As part of the question in Jeopardy, and the answer was, of course, Sean Combs, who we will be talking about in the exclusive section of this after party. Going to be doing that with Zeth, as I, as I typically do, typically do the exclusive sections of the after party with Zeth. And like I mentioned before, guys, if you sign up to become a Patreon member, you're going to get access to that exclusive content, plus other bonus content, including the mini episodes that are released pretty much every week, and also our new video podcast, This Film Should Be Played Loud. You also get ad free listening of all DisgraceLand and Hollywoodland episodes. So go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up to become a Patreon member. Got a lot going on in Hollywoodland. I mentioned

• 39:39Jake Brennan?

  Zeth and the show that he helms, Hollywoodland. We did these special features for the holiday season. We did two of them on Christmas films. I did one, Matt did one. We got one coming up on, on New Year's films, which I think you're going to be into. These are, these are fun discussions. I get to indulge my, my fandom of film history and Zeth, of course, is the real expert here. Matt, give the people a little taste of, I don't know, just pick one of the special features here for the holidays. And guys, if you aren't subscribed to Hollywoodland, get over to that feed and subscribe now.

• 40:16Speaker 08

  Okay, so a couple of movies here that I think are connected by the fact that they both have very pivotal scenes that play out during New Year's Eve parties are Boogie Nights and The Godfather Part II. Boogie Nights has this New Year's Eve party that takes us from the decade of the 70s into the 80s, from film to video. It's the beginning of the end. There's a Goodfellas comp for this, you know, the moment where there's no turning back with the story. You've been seduced by the lifestyle and then all of a sudden, you know, William H. Macy puts a gun to his head and blows his brains out and now you're paying for that lifestyle, right? And then The Godfather II, of course, has this iconic New Year's Eve party scene in Cuba, which is the moment where Michael tells Fredo he knows that he was the one that betrayed him.

• 41:01Speaker 08

  What do you want to talk about first, Boogie Nights?

• 41:04Jake Brennan?

  Well, I want to talk about both of them. I want to make this point that one of them seems like a New Year's movie and the other one does not. And I feel like it goes to what I was saying earlier where Boogie Nights, it does, I don't know, it just feels like they reinforce the New Year's piece of it more than in Godfather. Godfather, it's just part of this massive, you used the word set piece earlier, and certainly the party for Batista, that's, that's all, you know, it's, yeah, it's New Year's and it feels, it's just everything kind of seems, the drama is, is paying off so fully in that scene. Everything between Michael and Fredo and Michael's plan is coming to fruition, or it's starting to, the mechanics anyways of it. And the drama almost

• 41:47Jake Brennan?

  seems like it's too big for the, the New Year's scenery piece of it. So maybe that's why I never really think of that movie as a New Year's movie, great movie, obviously. Whereas with Boogie Nights, they're set in this New Year's Eve party and the drama that unfolds there is more of a surprise, perhaps, more of a shocking turn that you're not expecting. You can kind of, in Godfather II, you can kind of see what Michael's working up to. He kind of knows this is gonna happen. He doesn't set Fredo up, but he's kind of fishing to get the information from Fredo because he already suspects him somewhat. There's the audience who are kind of being brought along, even if you don't realize it. The Little Bill thing in Boogie Nights, the first time I watched it was a total shock.

• 42:32Speaker 08

  Absolutely. Because up until that point, like you've been laughing and you've been laughing at Little Bill every time he turns around, his wife's like going to town with some guy and there's a whole- Group of people watching and it's and he's sort of like the butt of the joke.

• 42:47Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, that's the Hollywoodland podcast available for you right now in the Hollywoodland feed on whichever podcast app you use. Go subscribe now if you're not already. We'll be back right after this.

• 43:14Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back and we always talk about the archive here at the top of the e-block. And in this episode, gosh, we've mentioned probably, I think, 10 artists that are from our archive. Matt will hand cherry pick a selection of those artists. He'll provide the episode information in the show notes of this after party. If you want to go check any of those stories out. And I definitely encourage you to dig into the 255 plus episode archive of Disgraceland if you're a new listener and get some of that archive action in your life. All right, I gotta get out of here. I gotta go to the gym. Then I gotta wrap a ton of presents. I think I'm gonna watch,

• 43:56Jake Brennan?

  someone emailed Zeth, I saw this email in the inbox, mentioned Beautiful Girls as a Christmas movie. And I never think of, think of that Timothy Hutton, Natalie Portman film as a Christmas movie, but it absolutely is. And I think I'm gonna put that on tonight while I'm wrapping gifts later on. And if you haven't seen Beautiful Girls, there you go. There's a little recommendation for you. All right. Number one, this week, our episode on Johnny Ace and Elvis Presley, that is available for you right now. Get the Christmas tragedy vibes there. Number two, rewind episodes on Lou Reed coming this week, right after this after party. Number three, Derek and the Dominos happening next week with the Lawson family Christmas murder. Number four, Zeth is gonna give you those Hollywood

• 44:38Jake Brennan?

  and crime vibes in Hollywoodland. So make sure you're subscribed. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our new episode on Goodfellas, you gotta be a Patreon member to cop that. So go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us

• 44:52Jake Brennan?

  Digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget this goes, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. Joan Baez was arrested on December 19th, 1967. And here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the billboard charts. Number one, daydream believer, The Monkees. Last week, one weeks on chart six, peak position one. Number two, I heard it through the grapevine. Gladys Knight and the Pips.

• 45:37Jake Brennan?

  Last week, two weeks on chart 10, peak position two. Number three, hello, goodbye, The Beatles. Last week, six weeks on chart four, peak position three. Number four, I second that emotion. Smokey Robinson and the miracles. Last week, four weeks on chart eight, peak position four. Number five, woman, woman, Gary Pocket.

• 46:20Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five night adults only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027 to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wisecrack and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind the scenes,

• 47:03Jake Brennan?

  storytelling, exclusive meet and greets and immersive true crime programming throughout this one of a kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/truecrime to secure your spot.

• 47:16Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of five-star TrustPilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.