Bonus Episode: My Chance Encounter With One of My Favorite Artists on the Streets of Europe

Art is tough business. Wendy O. Williams’ tragic end taught us that this week, but beauty is everywhere if you know where to look. Especially when it’s into the eyes of one of your favorite artists on the streets of Munich. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:41Jake Brennan?

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• 2:10Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing that we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. And our mission is to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, "The Cost of Art: The Great Beauty," Wendy O. Williams's tragic end. In your emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:00Jake Brennan?

  Here we are, here we are. I am back behind the desk. It's been a minute. Listen, I know you haven't missed me in the feed. I've been in the feed with you these last few days, weeks, but I've been away on vacation for the better part of two weeks, like 15 days I've been gone. Everything that you've heard with me, with me and Zeph, and this Disgrace Land feed, and Hollywood Land, all that stuff, everything has been, was pre-recorded so that I could go away and not have to record anything. Well, I'm back. I literally just sat down in my chair here behind the desk at the mic. It's been an 18 and a half hour journey today from when we left the hotel in Munich to when we got back to our place

• 3:41Jake Brennan?

  here in the States. And I'm raring to go. I am pumped to talk to you guys. It's been too long. I had something profound happen to me while I was away just last night, actually, in Munich. And I know we got Wendy O. Williams in the feed, and I want to talk to you about that because it has everything to do with Wendy O. Williams, has everything to do with what we do here in Disgrace Land. It has to do with what you guys love. Great art, great music, great movies. Listen, say what you will about Wendy O. Williams, this week's full episode, subject of Disgrace Land. She was a fearless artist. Some might quibble with that word artist. Some might say that that's a term unworthy of Wendy Williams and her shock rock, but there is no doubt about

• 4:23Jake Brennan?

  it. Wendy Williams was a driven artist. She was compelled to create in an effort to express herself. And when she couldn't do that anymore, when that option was no longer available to her, she ceased to exist. She ended her life. It's an extremely sad ending. Life is delicate. Art is also delicate. Even rock and roll played with chainsaws and exploding Cadillacs is delicate. Making something truly great is a delicate balance of expression, of bravery and vulnerability. Now, I've been in Central Europe on vacation with my family for the past few weeks, like I

• 5:02Jake Brennan?

  said, and I was surrounded by some of the most beautiful and awe inspiring architecture that I've ever seen. Giant buildings, churches, cathedrals, statues, monuments to saints, to royals, to God, manmade epic creations that literally stop me in my tracks and make me marvel at the beauty humans are capable of creating. And it forced this idea into my head over the past week. Art, true art, great art, is delicate. Now, I've been walking around Munich, in Vienna, in Budapest, and thinking about this idea, and going to bed at night and dreaming about this idea. I know

• 5:45Jake Brennan?

  that sounds pretentious, but that's the actual truth. I've been ruminating on this. I've been watching films. I've been listening to music, reading books, and looking at architecture, and taking it all in through the lens of this idea that art is delicate. Now, not everything an artist sets out to create achieves the same intended effect. Some art is off balance. Some songs don't sing. Some albums don't hit their mark. Some stories don't resonate. But sometimes, everything works as it was intended or unintended. And the creation transcends. And if the artist is really lucky, their creation will find an audience. Now, Wendy Williams was not this

• 6:27Jake Brennan?

  type of artist. And I'm not so sure that her aspirations were that of a traditional artist anyway. But regardless, she wasn't afforded the life other artists are afforded. And her end was, as we know, tragic. Now, all this has been swimming around my head the last few days while I've been in Munich. Fantastic city, again with big, bold, dynamic architecture that, at least in Old Town, where I was staying, seems to just grab you by the shirt collar and shake you alive. I recently watched the Paolo Sorrentino film One Man Up, okay? But a week before I left on vacation. Sorrentino made the HBO series The Young Pope,

• 7:11Jake Brennan?

  as well as the Academy Award-winning film The Great Beauty. Now, I re-watched The Great Beauty a couple of days before I left for vacation, after I saw One Man Up. Tony Servillo is the Italian actor who stars in both The Great Beauty and in One Man Up. One Man Up is about, what else? A disgraced musician and a soccer player. It has a surprising Wendy O'Williams outcome. And The Great Beauty, again, also starring Tony Servillo, is about a writer whose greatest work is completed at a young age and who struggles with his fabulous life after this great early achievement.

• 7:52Jake Brennan?

  He has all this success, he has a fabulous life, but he's, he's, he's got a lot of other stuff going on. He's unhappy. The delicate nature of art, the vulnerability of personal expression. These are the themes of both of these films. I watched these films, I went to Europe. Something about Europe, it wouldn't let me forget these movies, okay? Two European movies I've been constantly reminded of during this trip. Two films starring, as I said, Tony Servillo. On our last night in Munich, last night, this past Monday, June 29th, we're walking back to our hotel after dinner.

• 8:31Jake Brennan?

  Beer, sausage, Wiener Schnitzel, of course, in this, like, it's just picturesque. Just imagine church bells tolling, couples sitting outside in cafes. You know, they're all smoking, the bars are, are starting to spill out. Getting packed, the beer gardens, all that. We're walking back to our hotel. It's lightly raining. You can literally smell incense in the street from the Catholic church that's right there. We turn the corner toward our hotel. And as we do, right there on the street, on the sidewalk that we're walking on, I lock eyes with

• 9:15Jake Brennan?

  an older handsome man. And when I say lock eyes, I mean lock eyes. From the instant we saw each other, boom. He was maybe 10 feet away at that moment and we stared at each other. The entire time he approached me and I approached him. And we kept staring at each other until we passed one another on the street, like shoulder to shoulder. Now, I couldn't look away because I recognized this dude. There's something in his eyes. He didn't recognize me, but he must have been taken aback, confronted by the fact that I was just so fucking locked in. And it was only a second or two after we passed each other that I realized whose eyes I was looking into.

• 9:58Jake Brennan?

  From the great beauty, from one man up, the man himself, the star of both of those Paulo Sorrentino films, the leading man, Tony Servillo. I didn't recognize the actor at first. Again, the actor in this fucking movie, these two movies that I've been thinking about and the themes of these movies for the past two weeks. This sounds too, it sounds too synchron, it's like too much synchronicity, the Grateful They Call It Synchronicity. It's, I know it sounds like I'm making this up, like I'm building this up and I'm making it up, but I'm not. You can, you can Google this shit. Okay, so I passed this guy. And I'm like, oh, fuck, that's, that's the dude in my head. That's what's happening. And I immediately, but it didn't look like him.

• 10:42Jake Brennan?

  I mean, it looked like him enough, but it didn't really look like him. And then I have the thought, I'm like, oh shit.

• 10:50Jake Brennan?

  Like I know him from a movie that came out in like 2013. And the other one came out in like 2009 or something. So I immediately Google searched Tony Servillo 2026. As I'm telling my wife what's going on and, and he, the image that pops up from late 2025 is the man I was just looking at. No doubt about it. He looks much older now. He's 68 years old. I think he's like early 50s in the great beauty. Great beauty, an Oscar winning best picture for a foreign film, foreign language film, excuse me, where, where Tony Servillo plays Jep Gambadella. That's the character.

• 11:35Jake Brennan?

  But again, he looks much older now. Okay. So then I Google, I'm like, oh wait, maybe I'm crazy. Maybe I'm just like, bam, just like project. Cause I'm now I'm thinking like, I've been thinking about this fucking guy. How wild is this? So then I'm like, well, maybe I'm just, I'm, you know, my head's going and putting these things together when it's not. So then I Google Tony Servillo Munich. Okay. Turns out he's in town being honored at the Munich International Film Festival with the Scene Merit Award. And it was that night, June 29th, Monday night. The dude was probably on his way to the event when I saw him. Okay. Totally strange. Me in a foreign

• 12:19Jake Brennan?

  country, walking around, traveling and reflecting, doing the type of reflecting, you guys know, you know what happens when you travel, you have time away from work or whatever. You know, you start to reflect on things in a different way. That's why we do it. That's why we need vacations. We need to reset. And I'm doing that very thing. And I'm thinking of this man's films and the themes of these films, what they represent. And especially because they're very much, these themes are very much in conversation with the Wendy O. Williams episode that we released to you this week. And bam, I come face to face with the actor in these movies, the very same actor, this artist, this artist whose art was being celebrated that night.

• 13:03Jake Brennan?

  I took it as a sign, a sign to keep going, to keep making, to keep creating, to keep putting things into the world, to keep searching for inspiration, to keep looking beyond the despair and the grind, to find that beauty and to hopefully find a way to put more beauty into the world through art, through conversation, through storytelling. But great art, great beauty, is delicate. Sometimes, a lot of times, artists miss the hits. You know them when you make them. They feel different, but not everyone feels the way you want them to feel about your art. Wendy O. Williams couldn't reconcile this. Not only is art delicate, but artists, as Wendy

• 13:44Jake Brennan?

  O. Williams tragically illustrates, artists are also delicate. So I'm taking my chance encounter with the great actor Tony Servillo, the great artist, the great beauty himself, as not only a sign, but as a reminder, a prompt, to use the parlance of our times, to celebrate not only the great and delicate art that makes life tolerable, but also the delicate artists who make it. So if you're listening to this today, tell an artist you love how much you appreciate them. Reach out to them on social media. Write them a letter. Go to their shows. Buy their records. Read their books. Pass their myths on to future generations. All right, we owe that to Wendy O. Williams and Tony Servillo is reminding us of

• 14:27Jake Brennan?

  that. In the spirit of this conversation we're having right now, Zeth and I are going to give you a deeper dive into the two Tony Servillo films that I discussed here in this monologue, the Oscar-winning The Great Beauty and the very disgracelandy One Man Up, which is also a soccer film and very relevant to the World Cup of it all that were, that's happening. Okay? Both films, like I said, are directed by Paolo Sorrentino, the creator of HBO's The Young Pope. Both films are A+, and I can't wait to talk about them with Zeth. You want to hear this conversation? It's coming up later in this episode for our All Access listeners on Patreon and Apple subscriptions. If you're not an All Access member and would like to join the disgraced land community and support the show and all that Zeth, myself, Matt, and the rest of the Double Elvis gang put together for you every

• 15:12Jake Brennan?

  Week, then you can sign up at disgracelandpod.com to unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad free listening. So Wendy O. Williams in the feed this week. I'm talking to you in the after party right now. Coming up this weekend, a rewind episode on Lana Del Rey. And next week, another brand spanking new story on the death of Jim Morrison and the mysterious Count Jean de Bretoy. Jim's death is not what we were told it was, people. It's not the death authorities said it was, and it isn't the death that the conspiracy theorists say it is either. It is something else. And if you want to understand how Jim Morrison actually died, you need to listen to this episode. And when you are, when I lay out these different theories, when you're listening and you're hearing me explain the facts, after

• 15:56Jake Brennan?

  you listen, call me 617-906-6638 and let me know what you think. Let me know how you think Jim Morrison actually died. All right. Does the official cause of death make sense to you? Do the conspiracy theories seem credible? Or does the theory that I lay out make the most sense? 617-906-6638, voicemail and text, [email protected] and at disgracelandpod on the socials. I'm going to take a quick break. I'll be back in the flash with your voicemails, texts, emails, DMs, and more.

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• 17:09Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 19:14Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging in the telephone with y'all. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. All right, let's go to the 412.

• 19:27Speaker 05

  Hey, Jake. This is Heather the Yinzler calling from the 412 in Pittsburgh. And I wanted to tell you about the album cover that I was obsessed with in my younger days, Big Brother and the Holding Company's cheap Thrills album. Those mysterious cartoons from Robert Crumb, the cartoon illustrations, especially Janis Joplin. You can see her tonsils, man. It would be another decade before I got my hands on Crumb's Notorious Wits, the cat cartoons. And the songs on that record. My college friend Dee was obsessed with Janis at the time, and we'd long on the floor listening to Janis ripping out her soul on a regular basis. I still get chills when I hear "Ball and Chain." Rock and roll, man.

• 20:07Jake Brennan?

  Pittsburgh, go Pirates, rock-a-rola. Listen, yeah, Art Crumb. Did you see the Art Crumb movie? Pretty amazing. And yeah, the artwork is amazing as well on that album. Cheap Thrills, Sonic Youth goo kicked off this conversation about album art. Let's check out this text from the 317. Yo, it's Flo from the 317. Just want to say I totally dug the Sonic Youth episode and the breakdown in the middle of the episode is fucking rad. Sonic Youth goo was shown to me via a skateboard video by Toy Machine called Welcome to Hell. I was nine years old, wanted to skate curbs in the Sonoran desert and pretend to be Ed Templeton. So ripped the album off of Napster and blasted it on my JVC Kaboom Box and shot Coca Colas in the unfettered heat.

• 20:51Jake Brennan?

  Side note, not to always bring up Morrissey or the Smiths, but the Smiths suffered little children off the awesome 1984 self-titled debut album, was written about the Moore's murders. Anyway, keep kicking ass, rock-a-rola. I knew that about the Smiths. I knew that about that song, but not until the last couple of years, sort of this obsession I have with murder ballads. I think Zeth hit me to that tune. Flo, thank you for the text. Excited you liked that episode. And I'm excited that Sonic Youth goo compelled you in further, deeper into the subculture. I love that. 978 writes in, hey Jake, just wanted to say I really liked your cover of Losing My Edge by LCD Sound System on the pod the other day. That was pretty rad.

• 21:30Jake Brennan?

  That's, you know, someone hit me up on Instagram about that and they called it a cover as well. And I didn't think about it as a cover. I didn't, I honestly didn't even think about it as music. I just thought about it as this thing we did with, with podcasting, but I get it. It's, I get covers weird because we changed all the words, made it fit the LCD Sound System thing. It's more like a, um, if it's music, it's more like Weird Al, you know what I'm saying? But whatever it is, I'm glad you liked it. 978, thanks for letting me know. I really appreciate it. Different 978 writes in, hey, great episode on Jeff Buckley. I miss him every day. Hope you're well. Ryan Hastings. Oh my God, it's Skinner. I know Skinner, Ryan Hastings. How are you, buddy? Been a long time. Thanks for, uh,

• 22:15Jake Brennan?

  Thanks for letting us know you're into Jeff. We miss him too, man. I think everybody does. Talk of an artist, it went way too soon. And I was actually reminded of Jeff Buckley when I was in Munich, looking at that river flying through the city. 437 writes in, "Hey Jake, we got a Clive Davis episode and a George Michael episode as well." Well, listen, 437, yes, and yes, you can get a Clive Davis episode. I already have it in the plan, had it in the plans before he died, R.I.P. And George Michael, we have a George Michael episode. So there you go. We're good. 617-906-6638, voicemail and text, [email protected]. I'll take a quick break. I'll be back in a flash with your emails and more.

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• 23:35Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 24:44Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, before I get to your emails, I gotta let you know, listen, school's out. You got kids, you know exactly what I'm talking about. But it being school's out season, we can't talk about school being out without talking about Dazed and Confused, one of the greatest rock and roll movies of all time, yes, but quite possibly the greatest schools out movie of all time. And Zeth and I hit this pretty hard in this film should be played loud in that episode we did this month. I want you guys to hear it. I want you to go to disgrace in pod.com and sign up to be an all access member so that you can, you can watch this full episode on one of our favorite movies. This film should be played loud. Every month we talk about one movie and this amazing music behind that movie, the music

• 25:25Jake Brennan?

  that makes these movies chug along, makes us love them even more than we possibly ever could. Okay, great soundtracks, great needle drops, all that. This film should be played loud. Matt, give them a little taste of what we get going in the Dazed and Confused episode.

• 25:41Speaker 06

  The 70s gets all the love for, I mean, rightfully so, for sort of like fucking up the, the, the movie system, the studio system, but the 90s dude like shook it up pretty hard.

• 25:52Jake Brennan?

  Oh, yeah. There was a version of it that happened in the 90s. The 90s are a close second in best filmmaking decade of all time to the 1970s, like without a doubt.

• 26:01Speaker 06

  Totally.

• 26:02Jake Brennan?

  And there's a, there's a weird. Cosmic thing between those two decades too, because there was an absolute renaissance of the seventies in the 1990s. And it is really bizarre because they're not that far apart. Like, we're going through a nineties renaissance right now. I know. Fucking forty, thirty years later, or whatever it is. And tha- that was like, like, when this, this is set in 1976, I was in high school 12 years later. Right. My high school looked exactly like the high school in that film. Oh, yeah. That, tha- I don't want to burn it all now, but there are so many similarities. And I don't really, I don't know if younger people get how big the seventies were in the nineties.

• 26:44Jake Brennan?

  That's like John Travolta in Pulp Fiction. That's why that mattered, because it was a seventies thing. Yep. And there were all these other pieces of nineties culture that were trading on seventies. You mentioned the Beastie Boys. Totally. They're just goofing on seventies stuff. Yeah, totally. There's a gazillion other examples we can get to. So it's, they're, they're really related in, in my mind. And the weird thing is, I hated the seventies so much growing up. I thought it was so fucking lame. Everything about it. Yeah. Everything about it. And again, like, time moved slower then. So like, when I was in high school, all the older, the dudes who taught, like, they still dressed like they were in the seventies. It was all so fucking old and lame to me. Yeah. But it was also like this renaissance thing. It's really bizarre.

• 27:27Jake Brennan?

  It is totally bizarre. It is totally bizarre. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the, the characters in this movie, um, the character tropes, there were like seventies era tropes where, where they existed in the nineties. Like, I feel like every person in this movie, I could give you an example of that person in, in my high school in the nineties. A hundred percent. Yeah. And it doesn't, it almost, it feels like, it feels like my high school. So much of this. Yeah, totally. From the characters to the style, the cars, all of it. I mean, the only weird thing is like, All these cars, I know all these cars. This is like the big, one of the biggest car porn movies out there. Oh, man. There was, yeah, I wanted to talk to you about this for sure. Oh, God, there's so much. There's a scene where they're in the parking lot in the beginning

• 28:10Jake Brennan?

  and they're showing, like, they're focused on all the cool muscle cars that these kids drive. And then the cars in the background are kind of like older 60s and 50s. Like, you'll see like a Buick with the big fins, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't have that shit around. That, that stuff was aged out. Right. But there were still so many 70s cars around. And that was a bit, we talked about this on Rap Party the other day. That was, that was a big part of my youth. Yeah. So, I don't know, man. The, the style too, like Slater looks like he fell out of a fucking Blind Melon video. You know what I'm saying?

• 28:45Jake Brennan?

  He's wearing that baggy t-shirt and baggy jeans. And even, even Jason London is just like, like, that's how I dressed. I'm dressed like that right now. I'm literally wearing 501s jeans. I noticed that fucking Dawn is wearing a Lucchese belt. And he's got like a, like a, like a button down shirt. Like, we still dress like that, I guess. I think, I think the 70s felt so far in the past to us at that moment. But, I mean, this movie came out in 93 and it's set in 76. That's not even 20 years apart. It felt so far in the past. And I think this just goes to show that how much of the 70s was still left over by the time the 80s rolled, the 90s rolled around. And we just didn't really even know it.

• 29:23Jake Brennan?

  All right, that's this film should be played loud. Go to disgracysampod.com. The sign is becoming all access. Remember to unlock exclusive content and ad free listening just like this. Now, [email protected]. You want to hit me up? You don't feel like calling. You're, you're, you know, you want to text? I get it. You're not into the whole brevity thing. You want to email? Jason Carey writes in, hey, Widows Bay. It's obviously supposed to be Maine due to the Stephen King font. Well, you know, Jason, is it Maine?

• 29:54Jake Brennan?

  It's a strong case for Maine. I get it. We should ask the Mainers if Widows Bay. We should ask Matt Bowden. Jason, are you from Maine?

• 30:04Jake Brennan?

  And we should ask Seth as well. I don't know. I feel like it could be off the coast of Massachusetts. But then I feel like, you know, we already there. They did a lot of Martha's Vineyard talks. So probably not. I feel like they're paying homage definitely to Stephen King with the font. You're right about that. But I feel like they're paying homage to a lot of great eighties horror. The music doesn't strike me as particularly Stephen King. I can't tell what they're ripping on there. By the way, the music in the Cape Fear remake, I know it's just the original music, but it's so good. It's so great. I think it's the original music. It feels like it.

• 30:40Jake Brennan?

  Anyways, I haven't watched the end of Widows Bay yet because I've been traveling and I kind of let go of watching, what is it? Cape Fear. And Jason, I appreciate your email here because you reminded me to watch both of them. Pete R. writes in, hey, you should do another episode on I Don't Like Mondays. The new info from the Brenda biography is wild. We never did an episode on I Don't Like Mondays or the Boomtown Rats, but it's going on the list. Thanks, Pete. Appreciate you. Jay Hingham writes in, hey, Jake, a quick one from Blackpool, a wee town in the UK, which in the first week of August holds a punk festival. It's called Rebellion. It's amazing. It's been going on for 30 years. So with it also being 50 years of punk rock too.

• 31:25Jake Brennan?

  This year will be huge. There's a pub across the road from our tattoo studio, which is hosting 40 bands in four days and many other fringe gigs happening over the week. My husband and I have been official tattooists for the festival since 2014. And the music, the people and the punk ethos influenced our daughter since she was seven and has made her into the kick ass kid that she is today at 18. Anyways, fancy a trip to Blackpool in August? We've got a cool tower. Love the show. Joanna. Thanks for the invite, Joanna. I don't think I can make it back over to the UK, back over to Europe, I should say, in August, but I appreciate that sound. So I love hearing the punk rock has influenced the Youth in positive ways. Appreciate the email, Joanne. I hope you have a great festival.

• 32:08Jake Brennan?

  Send some pics. This one comes from Jonathan Epstein, Double Love's team. Hey, it's your old pal, Jonathan from the 610. I'm a Disco and I'm a fan for a few years and I'm a Patreon member since the beginning and I'm digging the rap party and all the extra after-party content, but I had a request for you guys. I'm usually in my car, at work, or working on a project when listening to Disgraceland and love hearing the hot takes between Zeth and Jake. However, there are times when you talk about recommendations and Zeth will say, "Oh, this movie is amazing", or "I can't believe you haven't heard the cover of blah, blah, blah." And you go back and forth and that'll take you to somewhere else, like the heist films and the songs covers and the album covers and the cover songs. And here's my ask. In the show notes, can you please put

• 32:51Jake Brennan?

  links to these things? So I don't have to stop, pause, go back, write it down. This is a podcast for the true crime geeks and freaks, but can someone make it a little easier to follow the trail and dig the wrecks? Thank you. And thank you and keep up the great work. Rock-a-roller, your old pal Jonathan in the 610. Jonathan, this sounds like a great job for our guy Brett. I don't know about the show notes. Perhaps we do something in Patreon. Putting all the links in the show notes. It's, there's already a lot of links and that has all kinds of ramifications, but maybe we can do some sort of ancillary documentation. I hear you. It's a lot. It's a lot. Um, we're gonna look into that. Appreciate it, Jonathan. [email protected]. You

• 33:33Jake Brennan?

  guys want to email me about any topic under the sun? Go for it. Next week, we're talking about the Doors. I want to know how you think Jim Morrison died. If you believe what they put out as the official cause of death. If you believe what the conspiracy theories have been peddling since the beginning and even the new theories that came up about 20 years ago and what you think of my theory as well. It's not my theory, of the facts, I should say, that I'm laying out there. 617-906-6638. I'm excited to talk Jim Morrison and the Count coming up next week. But right now, I'm talking to Zeth Lundie and you gotta be an All-Access member to hear it. disgracelandpod.com to sign up, become an All-Access member, become part of the Disgraceland community. Take a quick break. Be back after this.

• 34:29Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Thanks for hanging in there with me on a late night here in the week of June. What is it, June 30th when I'm recording this? Yeah, we're into July by the time you're here, and it's July 1st, 2nd. Appreciate you all. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for becoming an All Access member if you have done so. Thanks for listening. Thanks for spreading the word. I've been awake for a really long time and I'm gonna go to bed soon. I'm gonna drink another beer, have a couple slices of pizza, I think. Might put on the soccer game. I think France is playing. Check that out. But in the meantime, we're gonna recap. All right, number one, Wendy O. Williams is available in your feed for you right now. Number two, our Rewind Slot coming up this weekend. We got Lana Del Rey. Next week, we have Jim Morrison in the count.

• 35:11Jake Brennan?

  Zeth is giving you those Hollywood and crime vibes over in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure you are subscribed. And I give you my music recommendations in the Rap Party every week. I forgot to mention that earlier. That's happening in Hollywoodland as it is always, so check that out. Number five, this film should be played loud. Our video podcast with our episode on Dazed and Confused is available for you to listen to right now. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number seven, don't forget Discos, this isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like

• 35:54Jake Brennan?

  you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, back on April 6th, 1998, Wendy O. Williams tragically met her end, and here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, All My Life, KC and JoJo. Last week, 15. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, two. Number two, Frozen, Madonna. Last week, five. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, three. Number three, Nice and Slow, Usher. Last week, two. Peak position, one.

• 36:33Jake Brennan?

  Weeks on chart, 11. Number four, My Heart Will Go On. Celine Dion, last week. P position, one. Weeks on chart, six. Number five, Destiny's Child.

• 37:01Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey, guys. Time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wyscrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes

• 37:43Jake Brennan?

  storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 38:27Jake Brennan?

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