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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:08 JLR Cyber Attack
00:04:28 Ford's New Headquarters
00:08:28 New Audi RS6 Spied
00:12:32 The New Boxster/Cayman Will Be EV
00:21:06 The Durango Is back But Only For Some
00:25:27 Tesla Door Handles
00:33:17 AMG Is Batman
00:36:58 Lamborghini Pregunta For Sale
00:39:10 Talk Cars
00:39:19 Doug's Countach Is Leaking
00:43:14 Manufacture Embargos
00:48:12 Doug On The Mustang GTD
00:52:02 Nick Bought A Multipla
00:56:52 Kennan Drove An ND Miata
01:01:17 Community Questions
01:01:58 Why Buy A GTD When You Can Get A GT350 And Mod It?
01:06:01 What Enthusiast Brand Has The Most Boring Lineup?
01:09:13 What EU Car Do You Most Want To Import?
01:11:04 What Is Your Dream Spec Of Your Current Cars?
01:14:24 Is There A Car You Wouldn't Want The Manual In?
01:16:57 How Often Does Doug Track His Cars?
01:18:39 Have You Regretted Any Car Recommendations?
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0:49 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.
0:52 Speaker 03 I am Kenan. I'm Felipe.
0:54 Doug DeMuro? Let's start with the news. First story is a great one.
0:56 Speaker 03 All right. You're familiar with Jaguar and Land Rover? I know them. Well, I know Land Rover. I know a bunch of them. They vaguely sell cars. They're all the same.
1:02 Doug DeMuro? Land Rover sells cars.
1:03 Speaker 03 They have had a cyber attack about two weeks ago that has impacted operations for the last two weeks. They have not built a single car. Their factory is shut down since the beginning of September, and it may stay shut down through at least November and possibly a little longer.
1:16 Doug DeMuro? I saw it could be through the end of the year.
1:18 Speaker 03 So Jaguar's on hiatus on their ski trip. They have what is the equivalent of a snow day. So nothing's getting done.
1:22 Doug DeMuro? Right. So the people are saying, let's go down to the pub. Say it in a British way.
1:26 Speaker 03 Oh, Scott, oh, he's got it in a pub. Oh, wow. Let's go, come on in. Yeah, but they can't build any Range Rovers, any Land Rover products, any Jaguars, not that they were going to. They have been helped thus far by having insane amounts of inventory. Not building any cars hasn't impacted them yet, turns out.
1:43 Doug DeMuro? I'm reading between the lines here that you think that there's more to the story.
1:47 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, no.
1:48 Doug DeMuro? You think the cyber attack came from within?
1:49 Speaker 03 No, no, the cyber attack did not come from within.
1:50 Doug DeMuro? It's coming from inside the house.
1:52 Speaker 03 It is, by the way, their second cyber attack this year that has impacted production.
1:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh, inventory's piled up again. Let's do another cyber attack.
2:00 Speaker 03 Maybe if I get some insurance money, actually, it might work out. British? I'm trying to pick a different British accent. Yeah, please do. Well, we'll do a cyber attack. Nice and sneaky cyber attack. Nice. No, but the shutdowns may cost them about $3.5 billion in revenues. That's 12%, 13% of their annual revenue.
2:19 Doug DeMuro? Well, sure.
2:19 Speaker 03 From this shutdown production for three to four months.
2:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
2:24 Speaker 03 The concern is, a couple of years ago, there was a large cyber attack on CDK. It's like a large dealer software. It's in the US and really impacted sales in the US. Cyber attack on their manufacturing, that's impacted their manufacturing. They're rebuilding all their systems from the ground up. Concern is, will we see more and more and more of these?
2:42 Speaker 03 But in the meantime, no real concern because, well.
2:44 Doug DeMuro? Who would want a cyber attack, poor Jaguar Land Rover?
2:48 Speaker 03 It's a tough one to cyber attack.
2:49 Doug DeMuro? They, they, they make in great cars in Slovakia and other countries, sometimes including the UK.
2:54 Speaker 03 They've shut down production in the UK. I think production in some other plants.
2:57 Doug DeMuro? Oh Slovakia, the Defender's still going? They made the convertible Evoque. You know, I, I posit this.
3:02 Speaker 03 Which would be tragic if they built fewer of those.
3:04 Doug DeMuro? I posit this.
3:05 Speaker 03 I mean that.
3:05 Doug DeMuro? If the cyber attackers just drove a convertible Evoque, they would take their attack away. They would say, you know what, I'm sorry. We don't, we didn't mean it. We're unattacking you. Now do, do that, but in a Russian, because we assume.
3:22 Speaker 04 If you give us Range Rover, we will slow down.
3:26 Speaker 04 We'll be very happy. Make very happy.
3:28 Speaker 03 If you are a cyber attacker, you have one of two goals. One is to steal data that is valuable. That happened in the first cyber attack they were under this, earlier this year. In this cyber, or the second goal is that you get paid a ransom to just recover it. I think they hoped that by going after a middling automaker, the automaker would be more willing to pay the ransom money than rebuild their systems. They were wrong.
3:51 Doug DeMuro? The Range Rover, the, the full size, which this isn't, or maybe it is.
3:54 Speaker 03 That, that's.
3:55 Doug DeMuro? That's a sport, right? Uh, is the finest vehicle on sale today.
3:58 Speaker 03 It's a great vehicle.
3:59 Doug DeMuro? Middling automaker.
4:01 Speaker 03 Okay, you gotta combine it with Jaguar. You gotta take, take the average.
4:04 Doug DeMuro? Well, true.
4:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:05 Doug DeMuro? You wonder, uh, if Jaguar is gonna just kinda.
4:09 Speaker 03 Well, there's a fear that to, to make up.
4:11 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, we got a cyber, let's just, you know what, I.
4:14 Speaker 04 It has to end somehow.
4:14 Doug DeMuro? To make up. It's getting dark, you're still playing baseball, but then, you know, you like, you like trip and you skin your knee. And it's like, you know, I'm, I'm just gonna stop.
4:22 Speaker 03 To make up for the five million dollars a day in profit that this impacts. Five million dollars a day that they in theory will lose out on. They will probably need to cut R and D costs and cut costs other places. And maybe. Maybe it'll be then.
4:35 Doug DeMuro? It is a pretty crazy situation that this happens. Obviously, big, big difficulty for Jaguar Land Rover. Amazing that it could potentially send them offline for two, three months. And of course, every other automaker out there has got to be sitting and wondering, are we next? Remember the NBC Universal one? Like, the large, massive companies are not immune to like real attacks that can like have enormous disruptions in their
4:56 Speaker 03 Yep.
4:57 Doug DeMuro? Uh, production. Legitimately, although we make fun of Jaguar, and sometimes of Land Rover, we obviously hope that this, that they are recovered and that we move on.
5:04 Speaker 03 Yes, and we are not pro cyber attack. I want to be really clear, I want to take a stand.
5:08 Doug DeMuro? Except for Kenan's Russian voice.
5:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're pro that.
5:13 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, give us our next news story. Yes, Ford, Ford has announced in a very convoluted press release. I read the press release and I simply couldn't understand what they were trying to come across.
5:24 Speaker 03 Yep.
5:25 Doug DeMuro? They're, they're replacing their new, uh, their headquarters with a new headquarters that's three miles to the west. That was not mentioned in the press release, by the way.
5:32 Speaker 03 The, the distance or there being a new headquarters?
5:35 Doug DeMuro? In the press release was un, was very uncertain about whether the new headquarters was on the same site as the current headquarters or, or in Timbuktu. It, it really what, pull it up.
5:44 Speaker 03 I, you, you. No, no, I believe you.
5:46 Doug DeMuro? I challenge you to find some of the information that I'm about to tell you. They are going to tear down this, which is called something like the Window Room. It's actually called the Glass House.
5:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, it is.
5:55 Doug DeMuro? But I prefer the Window Room.
5:56 Speaker 03 Window Room.
5:57 Doug DeMuro? And they got it, they're gonna have a new headquarters that, the, the one thing I took from the press release is, um, that did make sense and was clear, is that Ford is trying to create a campus that makes them more like a modern.
6:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:11 Doug DeMuro? And they literally said in the press release, a modern tech company.
6:14 Speaker 03 Totally.
6:15 Doug DeMuro? What, like, getting away from cars being like the only thing and like on to tech. Like, and you think about Apple's campus with the giant circle and Facebook's campus that used to be Yahoo or whatever, like, you, or Sun Micro, so whatever it was where they have the sign, like, you still, you think about these things and you think about, okay, this is where they want to go. And there's pictures of like, the renderings are like people walking next to like reeds and bamboo and like a, like a, you know, like a, like a path that curves with like, benches that don't have a, have legs, you know?
6:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, totally.
6:44 Doug DeMuro? However. One of the drawbacks that I don't think Ford has realized is that the campus is still in southeastern Michigan. So they're trying to be a tech company, but unfortunately, you see the problem.
6:57 Speaker 03 I do.
6:58 Doug DeMuro? They did say that the new headquarters is gonna have a million zillion more seats. It's gonna, it's like 14,000 employee capacity versus like 3,000.
7:05 Speaker 03 It's a 14,000 employee capacity within a 15-minute walk of the main building.
7:09 Doug DeMuro? I noticed that, and that I didn't understand, and that I'm curious about.
7:13 Speaker 03 You know how like high schools in Southern California have trailers?
7:15 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh. You think there's gonna be like that?
7:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:17 Doug DeMuro? Just sort of like on a more grandiose.
7:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
7:19 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that was a little odd. So there's, there's like, there's like walks and buildings and all sorts of stuff.
7:25 Speaker 03 Which is why like the tech company campuses.
7:26 Doug DeMuro? Sort of. The drawback is that it's cold there.
7:29 Speaker 03 That's an interesting point.
7:30 Speaker 04 Yes, they're picturing people just riding bicycles around, living in peace like you all.
7:33 Doug DeMuro? That's what the rendering showed.
7:35 Speaker 04 And then, yeah, and they forget about February.
7:37 Speaker 03 Do you think they'll, they'll drive?
7:38 Doug DeMuro? Or January or March or December.
7:40 Speaker 03 Do you think they'll use the Think Ford Shelby?
7:43 Doug DeMuro? Oh, they should. Jim Farley, if you're not the high bidder on that Ford Think, uh, uh, Think Neighbor.
7:50 Speaker 04 They made a bicycle as well back in the day. My grandfather had one.
7:53 Doug DeMuro? I remember that picture of Jacques Nasser on the stage riding the Ford bicycle at some auto show before he was fired for consolidating a bunch of brands Ford didn't need.
8:01 Speaker 04 I've ridden one.
8:02 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
8:02 Speaker 04 Unbelievably heavy.
8:03 Speaker 03 Was it electric?
8:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, it was. It like, like a huge battery.
8:08 Speaker 03 Is this new campus built? Like, cause like, every press release only has pictures of the glass house.
8:13 Doug DeMuro? The press release implied that it is built and they're just waiting on landscaping, but there are no photos of it. So my assumption is that it is not built. And however, they say they're gonna move in like this year. The whole thing, I'm telling you, read the press release.
8:24 Speaker 03 I skip them.
8:25 Doug DeMuro? It is confusing stuff. Nonetheless, the point is Ford is moving headquarters, they're staying in Dearborn. And presumably Jim Farley will still have an office up there.
8:32 Speaker 03 No, no, they, they said in the press release that they are co-locating leadership, design and engineering teams.
8:37 Doug DeMuro? Let me tell you something. You, you, you have a top, top, top level corner office in Dearborn. You're looking down on the finest K-Marts, the finest empty parking lots that used to be a Kmart known to man.
8:48 Speaker 03 Yup.
8:49 Speaker 04 It's Canadian geese.
8:50 Doug DeMuro? A greater, a greater compilation, a greater compilation of, of dry cleaners and strip mall daycares you will not find than from the top floor office of this place.
9:01 Speaker 03 First move in 70 years, it's a new era for Ford.
9:04 Doug DeMuro? New era for Ford.
9:05 Speaker 03 Is what probably the press release says.
9:07 Doug DeMuro? And they're gonna make a lot of those Capri's.
9:09 Speaker 03 Nice.
9:10 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. It's the Capri, right? That they sell in Europe?
9:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
9:13 Doug DeMuro? Okay. Give us our next one.
9:15 Speaker 03 Oh!
9:16 Doug DeMuro? Ooh, spy shot.
9:17 Speaker 03 We talked last week, the week prior, sometime recently, about how there were spy shots of a plug-in hybrid RS6 at the Nürburgring or undergoing testing.
9:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
9:26 Speaker 03 Right, and originally, we all thought, we collectively being wagon enthusiasts,
9:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
9:30 Speaker 03 thought that the next generation RS6 would be electric, it would be an e-tron RS6.
9:34 Doug DeMuro? Did you think that? I thought they said it was plug-in hybrid.
9:35 Speaker 03 No, no, they originally said it was gonna be electric, then they, we saw the shots of it being, having tailpipes, so they're like, okay, it's gonna be plug-in hybrid. There were rumors that the electric version was dead. This is the electric version testing. There was also spies.
9:49 Doug DeMuro? So there's a question as to whether the new one will be electric or plug-in hybrid or both.
9:53 Speaker 03 It might be both.
9:53 Doug DeMuro? I thought it was, I thought we had already talked about the fact that it was, am I thinking of something else? Because the BMW is plug-in hybrid.
9:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, here's the timeline. Everybody thought it was gonna be electric, then we saw the plug-in hybrid version testing, and there was a rumor that the electric was dead, but now we've seen an electric version testing too.
10:07 Doug DeMuro? So we're not really sure what's going on.
10:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, but maybe it'll be the RS5 and the RS6 to match.
10:11 Doug DeMuro? I would also submit to you that I am almost certain they will be doing an RS5 wagon, and then, an A5, S5 wagon, and then an RS5 wagon will also be made and will come to the United States, which will be the first RS4 Avant in the US.
10:23 Speaker 03 Which would also be, okay, the odd numbers are gas and the even numbers are electric, maybe.
10:30 Doug DeMuro? Um, in, that is, in theory, that was their plan, but I thought they were walking that back.
10:34 Speaker 03 Eh, who knows? So maybe it'll be the RS6 and the RS7, the RS5 and RS6. People that have studied the spy shots in-depth believe that they're about the same size, but the RS, the S5 and the, the A5 and the A6 are similar size, like who knows?
10:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, the A5 and the A6 are a similar size, although, when I see them, you can really tell that one is electric and one's not, like, there's, it has an electric car look to it.
10:55 Speaker 03 The aura.
10:55 Doug DeMuro? However, this is interesting.
10:58 Speaker 03 This photo is of the plug-in hybrid version.
11:01 Doug DeMuro? This is the plug-in hybrid.
11:02 Speaker 03 I think.
11:02 Doug DeMuro? I would assume.
11:03 Speaker 03 I would assume.
11:04 Doug DeMuro? But the original, it'll need some cooling, right?
11:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, but that, you know. But there are other photos that don't have that same intake where there's where the intake is covered up differently that we believe to be electric.
11:14 Doug DeMuro? We don't know what's happening. We do know that there will be some sort of fast Audi wagons coming. The RS6 Avant has been a big success. I have absolutely no doubt there will be either an RS5 Avant or a new electric RS6 Avant or both. Sad that we finally get these fast Audi wagons and it's the plug-in hybrid era. Like, where was the V10 M5? Where was the V10 RS6?
11:32 Speaker 03 Why are you not fine with that?
11:33 Doug DeMuro? Because they weigh 12,000 pounds and have 1,000 horsepower. It's not what we wanted. We wanted a V10 M5 with 500 horse that we could own under warranty.
11:41 Speaker 03 That you could put a dog in the back of your schnauzer, catch her the whole thing.
11:45 Doug DeMuro? And now, now we get 900 horse and it weighs 8,400 pounds and costs $190,000. And it's like, okay, thank you. And the look of these cars has gotten completely out of hand, too. Like, remember when the wagons were subtle?
11:56 Speaker 03 The E53 wagon, where pricing was released a week or two ago, and it's under 100K, is kind of appealing because plug-in hybrid, not quite as insane.
12:04 Doug DeMuro? Have you seen the wheels? The wheels are so big.
12:08 Speaker 03 Well, you could downsize.
12:10 Doug DeMuro? I don't know if you can. They got brakes, they got all that stuff. Anyway, I'm excited for whatever this is. Truly excited, but interested in seeing what happens next.
12:18 Speaker 03 More wagons, better.
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13:18 Speaker 04 On the topic of EVs, Porsche recently came out and their director, like president who's in charge, the vice president in charge of the 911 and the 718 project said that they don't feel that they're making a mistake with it going electric. They feel, they said that I think it's really not the wrong decision. Now, this is, I thought this was interesting because, you know, the market seems to not be pleased about the-
13:38 Speaker 03 There haven't been any in the market. We don't know how to perform.
13:41 Doug DeMuro? I can give you some electric sports cars that have failed. I8, original Tesla Roadster.
13:45 Speaker 03 Plug-in hybrid and before Tourer.
13:47 Doug DeMuro? You're right, if the I8 had full electric, that would have did.
13:50 Speaker 03 There have been no electric mid-market sports cars.
13:56 Doug DeMuro? Remare, Pimferina Batista.
13:58 Speaker 03 There might be the man that we just don't know about.
14:00 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, no, I think that's true. I think there's a, by the way, I can give you other ones. How about, how about sporty versions of regular cars? RSE Triumph GT, Taycan, great deals used.
14:10 Speaker 04 The direct quote that they gave was, you could be, you could be aware that this car is going to be really, really brilliant because it's light, powerful, and it has a combination of a two-door sports car. Believe me, it's going to be good. They were like begging journalists to believe that it's going to be good, which I'm sure it will be in its own right.
14:28 Speaker 03 Also, to first be light, the battery pack's gotta be small, the range is gonna be tiny.
14:32 Speaker 04 Well, light is a relative.
14:33 Doug DeMuro? Relative to other EVs.
14:34 Speaker 04 Relative to the new M5, it will be light.
14:36 Doug DeMuro? The new, the Audi S6 is 6,400 pounds. This is gonna be only 4,900 pounds.
14:41 Speaker 04 That's light.
14:42 Speaker 03 Can I say something? I also read that press release. The person saying all this is the guy in charge of the 718 project. And presumably he wants a job.
14:51 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:51 Speaker 03 And like, he's been told certainly by corporate, like, we are not building a job.
14:55 Doug DeMuro? 911 and 718.
14:56 Speaker 03 I thought it was just 718.
14:57 Speaker 04 911 and 718. Now, of course, he may want a job. If these don't sell, it might be hard to get a job.
15:03 Doug DeMuro? This is a rendering from AutoCar. Porsche still has not shown this car despite the fact that Audi has shown basically what we consider to be their version in concept form, but Germans don't think big when it comes to concept cars. You get a pretty good idea of what's gonna happen from basically any German concept car. You should see the A2 concept car. Look it up. It was called, it was called A2 concept car. It was called the...
15:29 Speaker 04 I'm just looking it up like this.
15:30 Speaker 03 That is just...
15:33 Doug DeMuro? None of these is it.
15:34 Speaker 04 Is that it?
15:34 Doug DeMuro? It's this, it's this.
15:35 Speaker 03 That is just an A2.
15:36 Doug DeMuro? It's called the AI something, aluminum and...
15:39 Speaker 03 That's just an A2.
15:41 Doug DeMuro? Just an A2.
15:44 Doug DeMuro? So that's how they do either the famous Boxster concept.
15:47 Speaker 04 You know, I was thinking about this also, you know, Porsche is debatably one of the most stubborn companies there is. For instance, the 911 came out way back in the 60s and people are like, you know, you put the engine in the wrong place and like, no. And well, they and they then pursued that. So maybe they feel the same way about this as history has emboldened them to do this.
16:04 Doug DeMuro? Porsche does have a a general history of kind of saying, we are right. We know we are right. We are doing this and it's going to work. And the problem, there are some companies and people for whom that has been true and it has worked. And it in some cases, that's true of Porsche. I'm not entirely convinced this will work. However, we get we get a car that looks good. We get a car that drives well. We get the fake shifting. You could see a world in which it happens.
16:29 Speaker 04 You could see a world, but we'll hold reservation. However, I have a feeling as they have said, but we are considering a hybrid, maybe.
16:36 Doug DeMuro? This podcast has been very critical of the possibility of electric sports cars, including this one.
16:41 Speaker 03 I have not.
16:42 Doug DeMuro? Including cancelling I have and will continue to be after driving the MG Cyberster, which was excellent, but no one would mistake for an excellent like sport, like a true competitor to a.
16:52 Speaker 03 Well, MG's never made a great sports car.
16:53 Doug DeMuro? And by the way, I do want to say, in case the dear leader is watching, it was great. For God's sake, don't, don't keep cutting off Kenan's toes.
17:04 Speaker 04 I like them where they are.
17:07 Doug DeMuro? No, but but I I we've been, we've been critical and I think a lot of enthusiasts have been critical of EV sports cars. I think the enthusiasts generally feel there is a place for electric cars. However, electric sports cars don't necessarily have such a place. And this will be like the first real test. I'm still very skeptical.
17:23 Speaker 04 But you know what else I remain skeptical.
17:24 Speaker 03 Critical of four cylinder based PDK Caymans. So or 718.
17:29 Doug DeMuro? I just disagreed that. One of the, one of the most fun experiences I ever had in my entire life in a car, when I was working at Porsche, I took my 997 to the dealer for service and they gave me a base Boxster, the only option was PDK.
17:41 Speaker 03 But that's still flat six.
17:42 Doug DeMuro? The only option was PDK. And I rang that car out. I don't think the four cylinder kills it that much. I like the 718s.
17:49 Speaker 03 Broad understanding that that Ford somewhere is way less characterful than the flat six was. And if you may, if you're gonna remove character, you may as well make it.
17:56 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but this is like the four, five, eight, F eight thing. Like, we complained about the F eight when I went to a turbo V eight. And but if an electric one came out, we would be begging for the F eight. We'd be like, oh, God, please, F eight, come back.
18:09 Speaker 03 I don't agree with that. Because I think if we'll, Porsche makes fun to drive cars. And I don't see why that would change.
18:14 Doug DeMuro? That is a great car.
18:15 Speaker 03 Well, that's also a flat six.
18:17 Doug DeMuro? A flat six. You want to hear, do you want to hear my Cayman GT four theory right now?
18:20 Speaker 03 Okay.
18:21 Doug DeMuro? No. I'm gonna give you my Cayman GT four theory right now.
18:24 Speaker 03 We're doing it.
18:24 Doug DeMuro? I developed this theory last week at dinner. And I've refined it and it's beautiful now. Here's my Cayman GT four theory. Kenan is gonna continue.
18:33 Speaker 03 I'm listening.
18:34 Doug DeMuro? The Cayman GT four, that vehicle,
18:41 Doug DeMuro? is the sports car.
18:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:45 Doug DeMuro? And it is the nucleus that for which all sports cars are. And if you've made a sport, any enthusiast automotive decision that isn't a Cayman GT four, you have strayed from the automotive sports car nucleus. Do you understand?
19:00 Speaker 03 Yes, give us an example.
19:01 Doug DeMuro? And so, so if, for example, like my Carrera GT, Cayman GT four is the nucleus, Carrera GT is out over here. And the type of person who does that has an ego and wants a hypercar. They should just have a Cayman GT four. All this, this, the presupposition here is that all cars, all sports car drivers should have a Cayman GT four. But anything you choose outside that realm says something about you that you have elected not to get a Cayman GT four.
19:26 Speaker 03 Exactly.
19:26 Doug DeMuro? You have, you have looked at the best and you have made it. It's not necessarily that you've chosen a worse car. It's just that like you want an old car or you want a.
19:34 Speaker 03 Cheaper car.
19:35 Doug DeMuro? You want a cheaper car. But you, you know, at your heart that the nucleus.
19:39 Speaker 03 The best option.
19:40 Doug DeMuro? Is the Cayman GT four.
19:41 Speaker 03 The single best.
19:42 Doug DeMuro? It sits at the nucleus, right.
19:43 Speaker 03 The, the neutral option.
19:44 Doug DeMuro? There is, that's right. It's almost like the neutral, perfect sports car. And no sports car that you choose can ever be chosen because better is the only reason over a Cayman GT four. There is instead like you want something softer, you want something with four seats, all that stuff. Totally acceptable, but the nucleus car is the Cayman GT four.
20:02 Speaker 03 Not the Miata?
20:03 Doug DeMuro? So when we look at Kenan.
20:06 Speaker 04 No, I think you picked the wrong car. That's what I was saying. I think some people, I like that, but someone would say that having a flashy red Porsche is kind of like flexing.
20:16 Doug DeMuro? Doesn't have to be red, folks. Okay, all right. Interesting point. However, I would say, fine, I'll do a two price point nucleus. At this price point, it's the Cayman GT4. At the lower price point, it's the ND3 specifically.
20:29 Speaker 04 Two.
20:30 Doug DeMuro? And that's it. Those are your two nucleus cars. And any decision you've made beyond there says something about you.
20:36 Speaker 04 I like this.
20:37 Doug DeMuro? In a way that isn't necessarily bad. Like, I look at Kenan. Kenan has his M5. That's because Kenan, he could have got a nucleus car. He wants more practicality. He wants more analog. He is maybe a BMW enthusiast. That's what it says.
20:49 Speaker 04 Nothing wrong with that.
20:50 Doug DeMuro? But we know that he has strayed from the core.
20:53 Speaker 04 I support this, Floyd. Well, yeah. What about the Boxer Spider? Is that just the same?
20:58 Doug DeMuro? No, no. That says about you that you also agree the Cayman GT4 is the core, but you want something open and you want something a little softer. Because the Boxer Spider has softer sprung.
21:07 Speaker 04 Only on the, I think that only applies to the 981.
21:10 Doug DeMuro? And so you're sitting there thinking, I want softer, I want convertible-er, and I know the perfect car is the Cayman GT4, but that's what I want. And so that tells you that you're straying, not in a bad way, just that you're straying. So any sports car decision, for instance, you get a C5 Corvette, we know maybe you're a little more boomer-y, right?
21:30 Speaker 04 Right.
21:32 Speaker 04 Felipe.
21:33 Doug DeMuro? The Cayman GT4 nucleus theory. You heard it on this podcast first.
21:37 Speaker 04 And only here. Let me tell you that.
21:38 Doug DeMuro? When Johnny Lieberman tries to co-opt this theory as his own, all right, you remember where you heard it on September the whatever. Okay.
21:47 Speaker 04 I like this theory. I'm supportive.
21:49 Doug DeMuro? I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
21:51 Speaker 04 Moving on.
21:52 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
21:53 Speaker 04 If you chose a Durango, what does that say about you?
21:55 Doug DeMuro? If you chose a Durango, it says that you're probably, um, a little bit like, a little bit more, like, you've gone hunting in the last couple of weeks. Let's put it that way.
22:07 Speaker 04 All right.
22:07 Doug DeMuro? You've spent time in a hunting blind this month.
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22:42 Speaker 03 Depending on where you listen. Yeah, okay. All right, so the Durango is back. You guys know this. We thought it was the end of the Durango. It's back. And it's only V8.
22:50 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:50 Speaker 03 There are three V8s offered.
22:52 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
22:53 Speaker 03 There's a 5.7 liter in the GT. There is a 6.4 liter in the RT.
23:00 Doug DeMuro? Oh.
23:00 Speaker 03 And then the Hellcat has this, I think, supercharged 6.4 liter, something like that. They have different outputs.
23:06 Speaker 03 Only V8s. The V6 is gone. No Pentastar in this Durango. But two of those models are not legal in the 17 states that follow CARB regulations.
23:14 Doug DeMuro? Well, can I just, can I just make a point here?
23:18 Speaker 03 So that is to say, by the way, only the GT is available in every state. The other ones are available in only 30.
23:24 Doug DeMuro? I'm not, I'm not sitting here trying to get political, but can you pull up a map of the CARB states?
23:28 Speaker 03 No.
23:28 Doug DeMuro? And, and then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 2024 president?
23:34 Speaker 03 It's 17 states.
23:34 Doug DeMuro? No, you gotta type in CARB states. And then at the same time, can you pull up a map of the 2024 presidential election?
23:44 Doug DeMuro? I have a sus- oh my God, what was going on?
23:47 Speaker 03 I don't know if I've upset the-.
23:48 Doug DeMuro? I have a suspicion, and I'm just gonna throw it out there, that this is, let's just say, this isn't going to be a problem.
23:55 Speaker 03 I don't, okay, I, you, I would agree with you, except for a couple of things.
23:59 Doug DeMuro? The type of people who buy supercharged V8 Durangos and the type of people who live in Minnesota, New York, Vermont, and Oregon.
24:06 Speaker 03 Okay, okay.
24:06 Doug DeMuro? That's not a crossover. We're getting there.
24:10 Speaker 03 No, okay, Nevada, first of all. That's where most of them are sold. And then followed by- Long Island, where the rest of them are sold.
24:18 Doug DeMuro? No.
24:18 Speaker 03 And so, and northeast Philadelphia, where the rest of them are sold.
24:22 Doug DeMuro? There are some places on here, like central Virginia, that'll be disappointed. But, but by the way, the Arizona and Florida are on here as repealed carb states. So I want to be clear, this is a map.
24:33 Speaker 03 But like, here's the thing.
24:34 Doug DeMuro? Of where they don't sell V8 Durango.
24:36 Speaker 03 The Durango Hellcat and the Durango RT, or whatever it's called, have a lot of overlap and a lot of crossover with Republican conservative areas in otherwise liberal states.
24:48 Doug DeMuro? What is Hawaii? Hawaii is a carb state, I thought.
24:50 Speaker 03 Uh, not according to this map. States that are on this map, by the way, for people listening, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado.
24:56 Doug DeMuro? Just all the states that Biden.
24:57 Speaker 03 The entire northeast, except for New Hampshire.
24:59 Doug DeMuro? Except, yeah, except for New Hampshire, which says a lot, by the way. You know who's, you know who lucks out here is people in Illinois and Michigan, which are Democrat states, but because of their, presumably because of their manufacturing situation, they have not passed carb. So they still get to drive their big ol' R.
25:16 Speaker 03 I think Hawaii just.
25:18 Doug DeMuro? I think Hawaii is a carb.
25:19 Speaker 03 It is not, based on every article, but they don't care. Regardless, it's interesting, it's been a long time since a major manufacturer has sold the majority of a model trims, not in, in only 33 of the 50 states. You see what, you saw with EVs for a while, where they were only sold in, in the carb states.
25:37 Doug DeMuro? But it wasn't a legality.
25:38 Speaker 03 No, it was just, that's where they sold them.
25:39 Doug DeMuro? It was because carb had a requirement that an automaker had to have a fully EV in order to sell.
25:44 Speaker 03 Yep.
25:44 Doug DeMuro? And those cars could be sold out of state. What people don't realize, we joke about this, but what people don't realize is these cars, and when they become used cars, this becomes a significant problem.
25:53 Speaker 03 Yep.
25:53 Doug DeMuro? Because you try to get into one of these states and, um, in a lot of cases, you can't. So like, if you buy a Durango Hellcat in Georgia, and then you sell it to a guy in Richmond,
26:06 Speaker 03 Yep.
26:06 Doug DeMuro? He might not be able to register.
26:07 Speaker 03 Yep. I, I will say Dodge has said that they're trying to update their engines to make them carb compliant. They're trying to work with carb to, to change this, uh, for the 6.2 liter, which is in the, the Hellcat engine and the 6.4 liter. It feels like we're living in the seventies, because they just say, like, the cars won't.
26:22 Doug DeMuro? In a lot of ways.
26:23 Speaker 03 It's gonna happen. It's, it's gonna be a recurring theme, I suspect.
26:26 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, tough, tough news for those of us in California and, uh, other states where we want our Hellcat Durango.
26:32 Speaker 03 It's okay. I think you can still buy the one from two years ago.
26:34 Doug DeMuro? You could buy them used, but they're expensive. What about Track Hogs? Oh, those are off the market, because there's a new Grand Cherokee.
26:38 Speaker 03 And those are. Those are not.
26:39 Doug DeMuro? Those are crazy money. Oh, okay, next news story.
26:45 Doug DeMuro? Ooh, a door handle. Must be Felipe's.
26:47 Speaker 03 It sure is. This is a Tesla door handle. I think this is a Model 3, but we're talking about the Model Y specifically. Tesla door handles, especially-
26:53 Doug DeMuro? How did you know?
26:54 Speaker 03 I just really vibes. The 2021 Model Y specifically is under NHTSA investigation, or they might be opening an investigation, because it's trapping occupants. Here's what's happened.
27:07 Doug DeMuro? Okay.
27:07 Speaker 03 In the Model 3, Model Y, as in a lot of other EVs, it's electrically actuated. The door handle doesn't actually open the door.
27:13 Doug DeMuro? Right.
27:13 Speaker 03 Right? It's like an electric release.
27:15 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
27:16 Speaker 03 But it becomes a problem if the low voltage battery dies, because then that doesn't work. And there have been a few cases around the country where children have been trapped inside as a result of this, because they can't use the like manual, in the interior, there's a manual override. You can get out. And if you look at how you do that in a Model Y, front seat, it's easy. There's like a lever, you pull, you can get out.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? I don't think there is a way to do it in the backseat.
27:39 Speaker 03 There is. You need to remove the trim around, around like the, like the door handle. And if you remove that, you can get to a switch. Obviously, a young child cannot-
27:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, especially in a car seat or whatever.
27:50 Speaker 03 And so there's a concern that they don't have the right redundancies or the right backups to actually do that. In some vehicles, and I'm going way too deep in this, sorry, the Mach, like the Ford Mach-E, you can connect like an auxiliary battery. If you remove the cowl around the windshield, you can like plug in a battery so that you can then open it. That apparently does not-
28:08 Doug DeMuro? This BS is so BS. All these electric door handles are so BS. We, the, I'm gonna tell you an electric door handle story. I have, I own personally, a white Mercedes Benz station wagon of some brand. E450 All-Terrain. Shout out, by the way, to Travis Okolski, who just bought one.
28:26 Speaker 03 Really?
28:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
28:27 Speaker 03 Wow.
28:28 Doug DeMuro? We're looking over there. He's not here today.
28:29 Speaker 03 No, I was hoping.
28:31 Doug DeMuro? It's the camera.
28:34 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so we have one of these. So right now, I have the press car of the new one. And I let my wife drive it, because she drives the one we have. And I said, hey, you should check this out while we have it. I mean, I have no plans to replace the car anytime soon. It's got 30,000 miles. But when we do replace it, it will be with the new station wagon. The new one has these electronic door handles.
28:50 Speaker 03 It's annoying.
28:51 Doug DeMuro? It's annoying doesn't even begin to describe it. You walk up to the car and they've closed.
28:57 Speaker 03 Right.
28:58 Doug DeMuro? How do you open them? Well, you tap the door handle, except that locks the doors.
29:01 Speaker 03 Yep.
29:02 Doug DeMuro? Okay, so what now? You push the door handle. Nothing. Push it again, nothing. Then you were like, okay, you take the key out of your pocket like it's 2016. And then you press the button and then the door handle pops out. And it's like, this is worse. My wife literally said to me, I would not buy this car solely because
29:20 Speaker 03 Wow.
29:20 Doug DeMuro? of the door handles.
29:21 Speaker 03 Man, that's real.
29:22 Doug DeMuro? And I don't disagree. It was incredibly annoying filming that. Because you're like, we're in and out of the car all the time and the door handles just close after a while, even though the doors are unlocked.
29:30 Speaker 04 Is the manufacturer's reason for this safety so like people can't grab onto the door handles and pull the door? Is that what they're saying?
29:35 Doug DeMuro? I think there's a couple of things. I think that the aero is one of them. I think that they like the fact that they can get the door handles snug on the body. If you talk to designers, I think that there's a lot of turbulence with sticky outy door handles.
29:47 Speaker 04 True.
29:47 Doug DeMuro? And so all EV door handles are snug and then they pop out. So that helps.
29:54 Doug DeMuro? And it's otherwise just a think it's a nihilistic decision. Yeah.
29:56 Speaker 04 It just.
29:57 Doug DeMuro? It's cool to just push a button.
29:59 Speaker 04 I know I'm gonna sound like I sound, but it's just like, the door handle worked for 120 years.
30:07 Doug DeMuro? Right.
30:07 Speaker 04 And I understand that there's always a need to innovate stuff to be gimmicky, but when you actively like it.
30:11 Doug DeMuro? These fail too.
30:13 Speaker 04 Yeah. And then they fail. Exactly. So like.
30:15 Doug DeMuro? This isn't just a problem with nine volt batteries. They fail.
30:17 Speaker 04 And then guess what you need to have as a redundancy?
30:19 Doug DeMuro? A door handle.
30:20 Speaker 04 So like, what have you actually done? You've accomplished little, if anything, other than turning customers away who don't want it, which your wife just said she wouldn't. So like, I just don't see, there's a lot of stuff like this that bothers me, but that it just seems so stupid.
30:33 Doug DeMuro? It's like the BMW Ternsingles. I drove that X1.
30:35 Speaker 03 So annoying.
30:36 Doug DeMuro? So annoying.
30:37 Speaker 03 Really interesting one too.
30:38 Doug DeMuro? Just make it work normal.
30:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
30:41 Doug DeMuro? There's a few things that I'm like canon on, which, but I think there are a few things that we as a society should be like canon on. Where we just draw the line and say, this was perfected.
30:49 Speaker 03 Right.
30:49 Doug DeMuro? And we don't need to improve it. And.
30:51 Speaker 03 I will say before Tesla people comment in the comments, the Model 3, Model Y door handles are not electrically actuated in that sense. You push in to pull out. So it's not a, it's different than some of the others.
31:02 Doug DeMuro? But it's not a mechanical. When you pull it, it's still an electronic release.
31:06 Speaker 03 But unlike some others where like they pop out of the body.
31:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's true.
31:08 Speaker 03 And that's what you're complaining about.
31:09 Doug DeMuro? But the Model S has those.
31:10 Speaker 03 Yes. There's something else I can say about it. Oh, it is a great way to know which of your neighbors left their car unlocked and who you can steal from.
31:17 Doug DeMuro? In theory.
31:18 Speaker 03 Because they stay out.
31:19 Doug DeMuro? In theory, but that E-Class wagon, they don't stay out. You unlock it and after a few minutes, they close again, which is where the problem was caused. And I think that's true of a lot of them now because for that reason, they don't want it to be clear that the car is locked.
31:30 Speaker 03 Just have normal door handles. Figure out there.
31:32 Doug DeMuro? Have normal door handles.
31:35 Speaker 04 Something analog we agree on.
31:37 Doug DeMuro? Do we have any other news?
31:38 Speaker 03 From the inside, there's no benefit. You press the button and you still open the door.
31:41 Doug DeMuro? It's slightly cooler. I mean, the Lucid Gravity, it's got like a trigger. It's kind of cool.
31:43 Speaker 04 If you need your door handles to be cooler, if that's what, just get a cooler car.
31:47 Doug DeMuro? That's the world though. That's what EVs are gonna have to do. All these gimmicks to look cool because the...
31:51 Speaker 04 You know what?
31:52 Doug DeMuro? Powertrains are the same.
31:53 Speaker 04 Stop focusing on the door handles. Make the cars float.
31:56 Speaker 03 I mean, right. I would accept that if a door handles come in for floating reasons, I'd be okay with it.
32:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
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34:32 Doug DeMuro? All right, give us the next news story.
34:34 Speaker 04 Ooh, AMG, so.
34:35 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God, I watched, I read this whole news story.
34:37 Speaker 04 Very confusing. So AMG came out recently and they were saying that they, sometimes the Germans just get in their minds, they want to do, we got to do something. And so, and they said, we don't want to be, we want to design new cars and we want to be Batman, not Superman. And then they went on a tirade of talking about the differences between Batman and Superman.
34:56 Doug DeMuro? That was weird. They were like, Superman.
35:00 Speaker 04 Superman is like too.
35:03 Doug DeMuro? This is a direct quote from them, which, by the way, you would have been fired in the US.
35:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, absolutely.
35:08 Doug DeMuro? Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter. You would have been fired during the Biden era. Batman is the one who is too dangerous for your daughter. We want to be the dangerous son-in-law. Superman is a little bit like the nice son-in-law. So they want to be, they want your daughter. To be kinda like, afraid.
35:24 Speaker 04 Right, they want the bad guy, but then.
35:27 Doug DeMuro? And it's like, why is my daughter being brought, this is, we're talking about, we're talking about plug-in hybrid cars.
35:33 Speaker 04 That's the thing, then the designer, who also, you know, works for AMG, said that, well, we don't want to be too Batman. So it's like, well, which is, it's just such a weird.
35:42 Doug DeMuro? When we, when a new product is being planned, we asked, is this Batman enough? They did make an interesting point, which was, AMG customers don't want to buy a Mercedes. They're not trying to buy a Mercedes, they're trying to buy an AMG.
35:55 Speaker 04 Right, so the whole, the whole point is they want to make them more edgy, more aggressively styled, and like, that's kind of what they want, and cooler. Now, I would argue that most AMG cars are kind of that already, that's, you know, been their thing.
36:06 Doug DeMuro? Especially that turbo four-cylinder C-Class.
36:08 Speaker 04 Right. Right, well, that's a mistake.
36:12 Doug DeMuro? Which will, by the way, V6 version is coming.
36:15 Speaker 04 But never forget, the W211 E55 AMG commercial, a beating the monster, out of the house, back down into the engine bay. Some would say, that's what they've been doing for a while, they should continue that ethos, but, I don't, this whole identity crisis is weird. Now, they are looking to expand AMG more in China, and I think that that's like, the targets, they want the cars to be edgy and really cool and appeal to people. However, this was a bizarre train of thought.
36:36 Doug DeMuro? No, I, I think, I think, I agree that it's a little weird, but I think the concept of it is interesting, like, they want, they want the cars to be, like, AMG, they specifically are thinking in this way.
36:46 Speaker 03 Well, some of them are, right, that all came from the board member in charge of AMG. But then, the head of design for Mercedes, Ben, said something very different, like, it must be distinctive, but the lineup is plenty Batman today, and some are too Batman, like, there's just internal disagreement that, it's wild. By the way, credit to Eliza Pretl from Motor Trend for the story, we're taking a lot of this from the story that she wrote, but.
37:10 Doug DeMuro? Batman.
37:11 Speaker 03 Batman, or, or not Batman, maybe it's already too Batman?
37:14 Speaker 04 No, Batman, but not too, no, it's, we're just, not too much.
37:17 Speaker 03 Not too much Batman, someone already too Batman, too Batman.
37:20 Speaker 04 They have just restraint.
37:22 Speaker 03 But, but not, if you're the board member in charge of AMG, then you want more Batman.
37:25 Speaker 04 No, this is like, if Nick were your board member, then you're an actual, like, reasonable person to design it, that's what it's like.
37:30 Doug DeMuro? We want Batman! He's like, "Your daughter's gotta be afraid." It's like, "Oh, alright."
37:35 Speaker 04 Well, it's not 20% off there, Nick, and calm down.
37:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh, alright, but either way, I think it's an interesting, it's an interesting look into how they see AMG in the future and how they see AMG today and how they're thinking about it. They want, Superman is not enough. They don't want to be fast and like, well put together. They want to be like, a little edgier. Which I agree is kinda how it is, but it's nice to, it's interesting to hear them thinking about it that way.
37:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:56 Doug DeMuro? Remember the GLA 45 with the big wing? Of course. There you go. Batman.
38:00 Speaker 04 Damn.
38:01 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Batman would have driven that if he was like, if they had- Recent college grad in PR. And if they had paid for the product placement on the movie. That's true.
38:09 Speaker 04 And then, you know, when you open the doors and you have the AMG logo, there's your Bat logo.
38:12 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
38:13 Speaker 04 Whoa.
38:14 Doug DeMuro? Alright, give us the last news story is, uh, sort of-
38:15 Speaker 04 Yeah, this is, this was a weird one, so I didn't know that this car exists, I don't know a lot of these 90's concept cars, but there's a 90, you're a Lamborghini man, there's a 1990's Lamborghini called the Pregunta?
38:26 Doug DeMuro? Pregunta.
38:27 Speaker 03 The, the question, as it were.
38:29 Speaker 04 The quest, I made a question.
38:30 Doug DeMuro? Which means pregnant.
38:33 Speaker 03 The question.
38:34 Doug DeMuro? What is pregnant in Italian?
38:36 Speaker 03 Incheinta.
38:36 Doug DeMuro? Oh my god, they just screw up everything.
38:38 Speaker 03 But I will say, most Lamborghini names are Spanish, as is Pregunta.
38:41 Doug DeMuro? Ironically, Incheinta means enchanted. So you just know the language. My goodness. If you're pregnant, you're enchanted. Yeah, how beautiful.
38:48 Speaker 03 There you go.
38:49 Doug DeMuro? Italian, does it again, I tell you.
38:50 Speaker 03 Italian, so beautiful.
38:51 Doug DeMuro? One thing they didn't do is style this car in a way that looks good.
38:53 Speaker 04 No, all of the pictures of it are kind of dark, I think that's probably good. But underneath, it's a Diablo, so it's a 5.7 litre V12, makes 530 horsepower, 446 foot-pounds of torque, it's rear-wheel drive, only like, all early Diablos were. And this was built during like, the, uh, the Chrysler era. Just before Lamborghini was purchased by Audi, so I think this was the direction they thought they wanted stuff to go in for the new millennium, because it is a little more super looking.
39:16 Doug DeMuro? So this is a 25-year-old automobile, what is the news component?
39:19 Speaker 04 It's for sale.
39:20 Doug DeMuro? It's for sale!
39:21 Speaker 03 For sale.
39:21 Speaker 04 I just, I didn't know it existed. I, there, I, I don't know that much about Lamborghini, like-
39:26 Speaker 03 They've been at the Lamborghini museum for the last like, decade.
39:28 Doug DeMuro? Lamborghini themselves is selling it?
39:30 Speaker 03 No, I don't, no, it's owned by a collector, but it was on display at the Lamborghini museum for the last four years.
39:35 Doug DeMuro? You know who's not gonna buy it?
39:36 Speaker 03 You.
39:37 Doug DeMuro? Lamborghini.
39:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:39 Doug DeMuro? They're like, you know- We're all set on this one, actually.
39:41 Speaker 04 Right, I was wondering-
39:42 Doug DeMuro? We disavow.
39:42 Speaker 04 I guess, yeah, I wonder if it was like how sometimes GM sells their concept cars, you know, they need a little bit of money. So they, I wonder if that's what happened.
39:50 Doug DeMuro? No, Lambo just let stuff go over time.
39:53 Speaker 04 So.
39:53 Doug DeMuro? They don't need more, but like there was a period, like Chrysler era Lambo concept car was like, eh, we're all set. We don't need this anymore.
39:59 Speaker 04 But I think it is interesting because the, again, this was actually kind of a departure from the Gandini styling. It doesn't look like the Countach or a wedge, but instead Audi for the next gen then decided.
40:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, that's why it was a pregunta. It was a question. It was a pregnant pause, if you will.
40:14 Speaker 04 Let's look at these like big things on the doors. It's actually-
40:18 Speaker 03 To be clear, they took a Diablo and a, a French like coach builder, Hulez, built it for this and then owned it for a while.
40:25 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, it's a weird car and we have to move on to the talk car segment. The talk car segment is brought to you this week by Kenan's M5. Oh. Thanks, M5. Uh, uh, we gotta start with the Countach. You want to tell the story?
40:38 Speaker 04 Currently?
40:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Let's do it. Let's just get into it. This is today's news.
40:42 Speaker 04 This is hot off the presses. Doug texted us this morning and said, something is leaking from the Countach. Not from the back, which is where the engine lives, where all the oil is, all 17.8 liters of it.
40:52 Doug DeMuro? Thought of.
40:52 Speaker 04 Nope, it was coming from the front of the car. Now you claim that it was not, uh, brake fluid, which is the only fluid I could think of that's up there.
40:59 Doug DeMuro? May have been.
41:00 Speaker 04 I guess, did you taste it?
41:02 Doug DeMuro? No, I didn't taste it.
41:03 Speaker 04 That's what you do.
41:03 Doug DeMuro? How do you, how do you know that? Well, it felt like engine oil, but it didn't seem like engine oil, like, because it's in the front.
41:08 Speaker 04 Okay.
41:09 Doug DeMuro? But then someone suggested it's coming from a cool, an, an oil cooler up there, like a, some sort of cooling situation in the front is probably true. But it is oil coming from, you don't think that's true? There's radiators up there.
41:20 Speaker 04 There are radiators.
41:21 Doug DeMuro? They cool the oil.
41:23 Speaker 04 I thought the oil coolers are just mounted in the back and-
41:25 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, probably. Aren't the radiators in the back?
41:27 Speaker 04 Yeah, because you know, it's mid-engine.
41:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but a lot of mid-engine cars-
41:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, but that's kind of the point of the giant, you know, that's why they, they, they have those ears on.
41:36 Doug DeMuro? I haven't even opened it. We haven't, we just got in and-
41:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, I haven't, I haven't taken a look at it yet. I will do some investigative work.
41:42 Doug DeMuro? I'm curious.
41:42 Speaker 03 Got to investigate.
41:43 Doug DeMuro? It's currently leaking.
41:43 Speaker 03 We'll find out.
41:44 Speaker 04 Because the only reason, I know the brake fluid reservoir is up there. Obviously it doesn't have power steering, so it's not that. And it's
41:50 Doug DeMuro? The point is, the Countach is leaking. We, I'm gonna finally have to service it, which I've been dreading for, since it got back from its last service almost two years ago. It hasn't been touched by a mechanic. And I've been driving it a ton, and every day I drive it, I'm like a little anxious. Is this gonna be the day? And, and actually, I get less and less anxious because it never has been the day. But we are getting to a point now where it just needs an oil change regardless, because it's been almost two years.
42:12 Speaker 04 I have to say, in that time, only added one liter of oil. It's all it's needed. Like, it really hasn't been burning oil. It doesn't, it doesn't really leak. It leaks a couple of little drops, but for a car of its age, that's fine.
42:22 Speaker 03 Built motor, dude.
42:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:25 Speaker 03 Can I comment on the fact that you saw an oil leak, or a leak? I'm like, yeah, I'll drive it anyway.
42:29 Doug DeMuro? Well, the couple thing, a couple factors played a role in that. Number one, car smells fine.
42:35 Speaker 03 Hmm.
42:36 Doug DeMuro? Okay. No, but what happened was, I actually saw the oil leak a couple of weeks ago, and it was, it was pretty small. And the G cab had been parked in that spot, and I was, and the G cab is front engine, so I was wondering if maybe it was the G cab that was leaking. And then, I got to the car, it's been sitting for a week. I got to the car today, and there was, there was, this fluid was also on the wheel, which is odd. And I couldn't understand where it's leaking from the wheel, the front left wheel. And, which suggests more the brake fluid thing, but also it could have been as it was driving onto the lift, maybe it got some on the tire and it leaked out onto the wheel. Like, that could be a red herring, because I didn't, it was dry on the, in the entire fender liner.
43:13 Doug DeMuro? But I didn't really look inside the wheel, but it came from the top, like the
43:16 Speaker 04 There are no
43:16 Doug DeMuro? Makes no sense! Makes no, so we have a mystery!
43:20 Speaker 03 We have a mystery.
43:21 Speaker 04 We have phantom oil.
43:21 Doug DeMuro? Whatever it is, though, it, it's been a few weeks, and it's only been, it hasn't been much. It's been probably, I don't know, like a Petri dish of oil. Like, this car has so much oil in it that, like, unless there's a real leak, I'm not all that concerned. Plus, I have oil in the car, I just add
43:35 Speaker 04 Seventeen point liters.
43:37 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. So, we gotta figure it out. But the Countach has finally had something happen. And, um, that's, it's time to do some servicing. Which is probably telling me, hey dude, it was time to do some servicing anyway.
43:50 Speaker 04 Probably true. I mean, I, I think you've gotten lucky with how, I mean, it was, George Evans knows what he was doing.
43:56 Doug DeMuro? The car has been set up really reliably. And, uh, which is another reason why I'm just obsessed with having this Countach. But, the last service was done in December of 23, which included an oil change and a million other things. So it's been almost two
44:09 Speaker 04 Engine came out of the car.
44:10 Doug DeMuro? Engine came out on a tow truck.
44:12 Speaker 03 Right.
44:12 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
44:13 Speaker 03 That's
44:13 Doug DeMuro? As one does.
44:14 Speaker 03 Yes, you crane it up, yeah. Quite wild.
44:16 Doug DeMuro? So I gotta figure this out. You ready to
44:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:19 Doug DeMuro? ferry it up there?
44:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, ferry it up there.
44:21 Doug DeMuro? Back to I'm not sure where I'm gonna service it yet. I got a few options.
44:24 Speaker 03 Got a few options.
44:26 Doug DeMuro? So that's the Countach. Big hot off the presses, folks.
44:28 Speaker 03 Today.
44:29 Doug DeMuro? Big news. The other hot off the press thing that I want to talk about in the Talk Car segment is embargoes. Embargoes.
44:34 Speaker 03 We love embargoes.
44:35 Doug DeMuro? You wanna have the conversation?
44:36 Speaker 03 I do.
44:36 Doug DeMuro? Sure. All right, folks. Today was the Mustang GTD embargo.
44:41 Speaker 03 Go to the video.
44:42 Doug DeMuro? When you pull up the video, which was brilliant. By the way.
44:46 Speaker 03 I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, despite the fact that it came out at 3 a.m. Pacific time today.
44:51 Doug DeMuro? Um, can I show you something that that it's gonna be a little a little Easter egg for you?
44:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:55 Doug DeMuro? See this? Okay, pause it right there. Open up a new tab. Type in, you go to YouTube and go Bronco Raptor.
45:02 Speaker 03 Oh, my God, is this the same plot, please?
45:04 Doug DeMuro? Watch this. Watch this. Oh, you don't have to type in Doug DeMuro.
45:07 Speaker 03 I, the first Bronco Raptor.
45:08 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, unless the damn throttle house people have gotten one. Okay, now pause it. Now go back. Here's an Easter egg for you.
45:15 Speaker 03 Whoa.
45:15 Doug DeMuro? Same public parking garage in Palm Springs.
45:17 Speaker 03 Slightly different spot.
45:18 Doug DeMuro? Same.
45:19 Speaker 03 Well, it's a house?
45:20 Doug DeMuro? Well, one's taller. I mean, I don't know.
45:21 Speaker 03 Well, no, but the the houses.
45:23 Doug DeMuro? And I'll tell you this. Here's a crazy factoid for you. Crazy factoid. Both of these videos, inexplicably, they made us come to Palm Springs in the middle of the summer. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I was the only person in Palm Springs. It was me and Ford. Okay?
45:37 Speaker 03 Can I ask you?
45:38 Doug DeMuro? Nonetheless, nonetheless. Nonetheless, both times, a security guard came up here and put pressure on me to leave. I'm not exaggerating. This is a public parking garage that you can just park in. Nobody was there. Nobody was in the whole city.
45:55 Speaker 03 That's why it's confusing when somebody is. He has one job. There's the one day of the year he's busy. The day you're filming.
46:01 Doug DeMuro? And I went to the top. It's it wasn't like I was like taking up prime real estate next to the three cars that were parked there, one of which was an Ioniq 5 plugged in with the person sitting inside trying to get some juice, presumably to drive somewhere that wasn't 140 degrees. Anyway, the point is
46:15 Speaker 03 Why did they do it out there?
46:15 Doug DeMuro? The embargoes, because of the racetrack.
46:17 Speaker 03 Oh, they they had racetrack time.
46:18 Doug DeMuro? The embargo for this video is at 6 a.m. Eastern, which is 3 a.m. Pacific. If you're an automaker and you're watching this, and I know you are, I know you are. Do not make your embargoes 6 a.m. Eastern, ever. It is a bad idea. You're trying to get your stuff launched across the broadest swath of North American consumer. I have studied this my entire YouTube career, 13 years. And the answer is, you want to go live at noon Eastern, which is 9 Pacific. It hits everybody. It allows the East Coast people to see it at lunchtime and carries your story throughout the afternoon. It allows the West Coast people to get it right in the morning. That is the time you want to go live, always, 100%.
47:00 Doug DeMuro? When you launch at 3 a.m. Pacific, it makes no sense. It's insane. The West Coast doesn't get the stuff. The stuff's already out when you wake up. It doesn't, the story is lost by the middle of the day. It is bad. Felipe, your thoughts?
47:15 Speaker 03 I'm aligned. So I think for some cars, like there are cars where maybe, like if it's like a truly mainstream automobile, you want to be able to hit some morning news. I don't think, what is that even happening? Like, what, when are they trying to make it so they can get on the Wall Street Journal? That, like, it's not, I agree with you. They should be optimizing for one of the most reaches. Admittedly, for different channels, it's going to be a little different.
47:38 Doug DeMuro? The most reach is new Eastern for a North American car.
47:41 Speaker 03 You're right, yeah, I agree.
47:42 Doug DeMuro? We've, we've spent months, I mean, when I used to, when I, when I was obsessed about every little minute with, with releasing videos, I tried everything and over time discovered the right time is noon. And for analytics reasons, it takes about three minutes for a video to spin up when you launch it. And so I used to actually cheat and beat embargoes by three minutes, just so the video would be spun up by the time the hour started. Something for you all to think about, something for you all that, it's aspiring creators to think about. Anyway, Mustang GTD. I got nothing to say about the car itself. Let's move on.
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49:28 Doug DeMuro? Can I tell you something, one thing about the Mustang GT now that I can talk about it?
49:32 Speaker 03 Yes, of course.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? You're driving that thing around. You look like you're in a modded Mustang.
49:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:39 Doug DeMuro? Like, it's cool as hell. I think it's cool as hell. But I'm driving around and people aren't looking at me, which is astonishing to me because it's like the hottest car on the market.
49:48 Speaker 03 I would have looked.
49:49 Doug DeMuro? You would have looked, I would have looked, any car enthusiast who knows would have looked, right? But a regular person sees this loud Mustang with a big wing and they're like, this guy's gonna spin out at Cars and Coffee.
49:59 Speaker 03 But it looks so good.
50:00 Doug DeMuro? It does look good. That's exactly how I would get it, too. Whatever that color is, whatever those wheels are.
50:04 Speaker 03 Yeah. It's a little bit of a problem with... I worry that people won't quite appreciate what this car is, which is, it's fundamental, it's a race car and it's set up for that purpose. Is it a great street car? No. Will it get attention on the street? No, to be fair, neither does like a GT3RS anymore.
50:23 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
50:24 Speaker 03 So I worry that people are gonna buy it for the wrong reasons.
50:27 Doug DeMuro? Well, I don't know who people...
50:28 Speaker 03 I mean, people are... Nobody's gonna buy it.
50:30 Doug DeMuro? Right.
50:31 Speaker 03 I know that people are gonna view it as a failure for the wrong reason.
50:34 Doug DeMuro? No, it's not a... They're gonna sell out. And these are gonna go for way over sticker.
50:37 Speaker 03 They're so cool.
50:38 Doug DeMuro? This is a fantastic car. I think it's gonna be a huge hit, but I do think that like, you don't necessarily get the cred that you might think you... I can't think of a $330,000 car that gives you less cred.
50:48 Speaker 03 Oh, I can.
50:49 Doug DeMuro? Like what?
50:50 Speaker 03 I gotta think about it for a minute, though.
50:52 Doug DeMuro? You got one?
50:53 Speaker 03 Less cred.
50:54 Doug DeMuro? Also, think about the GT4 Nucleus there.
50:56 Speaker 03 A Spectre 992 Turbo S.
51:00 Speaker 03 Somehow that's less.
51:01 Doug DeMuro? I think that's a Porsche. Like, that gives you cred. Like, you pull up somewhere and it's like, yeah, you've got a Porsche Turbo.
51:07 Speaker 03 I will say, it's also true of every C8 Corvette. The Z06, you gotta know to know. The ZR1, I suspect, you gotta know to know.
51:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but a C8 Corvette is cooler just on a base level.
51:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:18 Doug DeMuro? Right.
51:18 Speaker 03 You're right. But I just, so I think that's so cool.
51:20 Doug DeMuro? When I was driving around Palm Springs, and I'm telling you, no one was on the road. So no one even saw me, really. But the three people who were there thought I was just driving a modded Mustang.
51:29 Speaker 03 But a well-modded Mustang.
51:31 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:31 Speaker 03 Respect for that.
51:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:33 Speaker 04 Yep. So well, so well-modded at look factor.
51:36 Doug DeMuro? What do you, you want one of these?
51:38 Speaker 04 I do love the GTD. Again, the, the, the multimatic suspension system in it is, it's a very legitimate car. I agree with what you're saying, but if you buy this for your, if you buy it to impress others, you're buying it for the wrong reason. If you buy it to impress yourself, I would imagine this is an incredible car to drive and probably very rewarding on the track.
51:58 Speaker 03 People track them and don't buy them and leave them in their garage with zero miles.
52:02 Speaker 04 A little bit, people, both. I want to see both.
52:04 Doug DeMuro? Let me ask you a question. I drove my Ford GT blue white out there.
52:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:07 Doug DeMuro? You know the one, midnight?
52:08 Speaker 03 I'm familiar. Heard of it.
52:10 Doug DeMuro? Which would you rather have for the same money?
52:12 Speaker 03 That's, see, that's a, yeah. Are they the same money, any of them?
52:15 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. Well, my Ford GT is 375, and I think this is 375 with options.
52:21 Speaker 03 I...
52:22 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow. Just pulling up mine.
52:23 Speaker 03 Would love, I, I think the Ford GT that you own is one of, it's probably the favorite, my most favorite of your cars.
52:31 Doug DeMuro? Oh, how sweet.
52:32 Speaker 03 I think.
52:32 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
52:33 Speaker 03 Uh, and so I'd rather have it. I think it's so special. America's lone supercar, really.
52:39 Speaker 03 I'd also buy that, Simon.
52:41 Doug DeMuro? What about the later Ford GT?
52:42 Speaker 03 No.
52:43 Doug DeMuro? What about the Oldsmobile Aerotech?
52:44 Speaker 03 Yes.
52:45 Doug DeMuro? Pull that up.
52:45 Speaker 03 Good point.
52:46 Doug DeMuro? Remember the Oldsmobile Aerotech?
52:47 Speaker 03 I don't know.
52:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, AJ Foote, this was Aero, yeah, there you go. Like that.
52:51 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, they, they made and sold many of these.
52:56 Doug DeMuro? I wonder what happened to this thing. They probably sold it in 08 during the concept car sale.
53:00 Speaker 03 Exactly.
53:01 Doug DeMuro? For like $36,000.
53:02 Speaker 03 Ultenboro Aurora looking thing though.
53:05 Doug DeMuro? Uh, anyway, the point is, I went to GTD and drove it.
53:08 Speaker 03 Uh, and there's a review out on Doug's channel right now.
53:10 Doug DeMuro? And you should watch the review and complain to your local automobile manufacturer about embargo timing.
53:17 Speaker 03 Yes.
53:17 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, Filippo, talk about the multiple, please.
53:20 Speaker 03 I have to. So our friend Nick bought a multiple.
53:22 Doug DeMuro? Nick bought a multiple.
53:23 Speaker 03 Which I'm incredibly excited about.
53:24 Doug DeMuro? Can you pull up his Insta here? Is that a thing?
53:26 Speaker 03 Yeah. And people in our friend group have been making fun of the multiple and in the comments have been making fun of the multiple. You know why? I will not accept that. I want to make that really clear. If you simply Google ugly as cars and go to Google Images, the first car are wrong. is the multiple.
53:42 Doug DeMuro? I really think they're wrong.
53:43 Speaker 03 Deserve it.
53:43 Doug DeMuro? The third one is too.
53:44 Speaker 03 Well, not only
53:45 Doug DeMuro? The second one is a Corbin Sparrow, which isn't even really a car.
53:47 Speaker 03 Well, look, in the top 10, three of them are multiple. To be fair, I also disagree about the S-Cargo. I don't think it's ugly.
53:52 Doug DeMuro? Three of them are, three of them are S-Cargos, or three of them are multiples and two more Corbin Sparrows, which aren't really cars. The mul- and here's a multiple again up here.
53:59 Speaker 03 And I don't think the PT Cruiser is that ugly either. Another multiple. Yeah, that's Another multiple.
54:04 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, so here, where's Nick's Insta? Can you pull it up?
54:07 Speaker 03 The multiple is a vehicle that is just eminently practical. It's all about practicality. And it achieves something that pretty much no other car does in a very small footprint.
54:15 Doug DeMuro? Right.
54:16 Speaker 03 Seven inches longer than the A2 we're looking at over there.
54:18 Doug DeMuro? You can still make fun of it.
54:19 Speaker 03 You can have three rows of wide adult seating, or two rows of wide seating, three across, and space. And I don't think, and like, you need to do that to achieve the practicality. It needs to look a little funky. It's a little tall. It's a little weird, but it does not mean that it's ugly. It just means that it looks purposeful.
54:36 Doug DeMuro? Wow, he's really gonna, oh wow, that's a duck.
54:38 Speaker 03 It looks, that's what it looks like. It looks purposeful. Great package. It's a platypus.
54:43 Doug DeMuro? It legitimately looks like that.
54:44 Speaker 03 We should celebrate. That is, I think that is a fit multiple.
54:47 Doug DeMuro? Go, zoom in on that. With the, with the, with the front, with the front end and the eyes where the lights are on, it really legitimately looks.
54:53 Speaker 03 It looks like, I've always called it a platypus, because it is. God created the platypus for a reason.
54:57 Doug DeMuro? It's not that it looks a little like it.
54:59 Speaker 03 It's a lot like it.
55:00 Doug DeMuro? Really? Go back to the platypus?
55:01 Speaker 03 I am
55:01 Doug DeMuro? Holy crap!
55:02 Speaker 03 Dude! Have you never put this together?
55:04 Doug DeMuro? I did it, when I did my video I talked about it, but I don't think I really looked at a at a picture of a platypus. It is pretty wild.
55:11 Speaker 03 I I think that we should be lauding the engineers that that created it, and certainly not designers, the engineers that created it, because achieving that level of engineering excellence and not sacrificing the practicality, the excelleness, the engineering for the sake of design and trying to appeal to the mass market is a decision I want to support. And therefore, I don't want to make fun of it because I don't want to dissuade others from doing it.
55:36 Doug DeMuro? I just went through this whole thing about the Nissan Juke and you assailed me.
55:39 Speaker 03 I did not.
55:40 Doug DeMuro? Yes, I did. I was like, I was like, the reason that cars are boring is because y'all make fun of the Nissan Juke.
55:44 Speaker 03 I have never made fun of the Nissan Juke.
55:45 Doug DeMuro? The Nissan Juke is dumb and ugly and it's stupid.
55:48 Speaker 03 Well, I don't think it's a good vehicle. So I think that that is style with no rationale. There there's no reason for it to be a vaguely unattractive vehicle.
55:56 Doug DeMuro? Like the cube.
55:56 Speaker 03 This is all about maximizing space, maximizing the output.
56:01 Doug DeMuro? You think that the headlights, you think that the headlights on this like, like, you know, protrusion, we're all about maximizing practicality.
56:08 Speaker 03 I think that this looks better than the facelift that removed that. So, yes.
56:12 Doug DeMuro? I agree with that.
56:13 Speaker 04 But I have to say, I agree they fit a lot into this car for practicality. But why is a design basis, they choose this little creature with this really funny duck bill?
56:23 Doug DeMuro? Man, platypuses are weird.
56:24 Speaker 04 And they're only like this, they're tiny. They're not, you'd think they're large.
56:28 Speaker 03 This looks like the off, like the XRT trim of a real animal.
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57:06 Doug DeMuro? Not that wrong about that. That platypus? Yeah, yeah. It's got like the gray, the gray. It looks like they like rhino lined it or something. It's got like the gray accents. It's got like a wider stance. It's got like a wide. Book up the Ioniq 5 XRT. It looks like, it looks like a prairie dog XRT. Yeah. I'm not that wrong. Like, they got like the, like the bumper, the lolol like that, s- feather flares. That's exactly what it is. The platypus is like a squirrel or prairie dog or groundhog XRT.
57:36 Speaker 04 Today's episode brought to you by the platypus.
57:38 Doug DeMuro? I will not accept multiple slanders. It's such an excellent vehicle that it can accept being styled for practicality. I make fun of it. I make fun of it. But you can't call it bad or ugly. I can call it ugly. Hmm. Absolutely. Styled for a purpose. No, I, the thing about cars is we can always make fun of, you know, one of the problems I've always had is that some very sensitive members of the audience get very upset when I make fun of cars. And like, I don't get upset at all when you make fun of my cars. Like, they're, they're silly. There's like, all it's kind of silly, right? Like my Sequoia.
58:09 Doug DeMuro? And, and the Countach, encourage you to, if you'd like to make fun of that. And a G-Wagon, my goodness. You're welcome. Yeah, well, obviously. But people get upset and you, sensitive Filippo over here doesn't want his Italian heritage to be slandered. I don't. That's what it's all about. I don't even own it. That's so true. Why don't I? I asked Nick about it. I was like, you know, what made you do it? He was like, I just could tell that Filippo was just gonna talk about it forever and someone just needed to do it. That's so true. Someone did it and that someone was a platypus. Yep. Uh, okay, Ken, and tell us about Miata, then we have to move on to questions. We're gonna skip the market report tonight. Questions are really good this week. This is the best week of questions we've ever had.
58:46 Speaker 04 Wow. So.
58:47 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you've never had a car.
58:48 Speaker 04 Again, this kind of ties back to what we were talking about earlier, but I recently drove an ND Miata and it was like, an ND2 Miata and it was the one you wanted. The BBS wheels, the brakes, the seats. It was wonderful. A friend Kevin's car. And I was driving it and like you, I thought, this is the essence. It's all you really need. And the interesting thing was I've always felt the, the Miata was down on power. The ND2 got quite a bump in torque and makes a tremendous difference to that car. And it was just everything. It was just everything you need. And I really thought about what you said about ego and it's like, that's it. I still want a Viper. But that's because I like big engines and that's like, here's the Miata. I'm making this conception to have something else. And I thought more on that Nukus theory, but I, like you said, I think there are two. The GT4 and this.
59:29 Doug DeMuro? Those are the Nukus cars.
59:31 Speaker 04 Yeah, the nuclei.
59:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I agree. ND2 is amazing. I prefer the RF. ND2 is amazing.
59:35 Speaker 03 You're the only person.
59:37 Doug DeMuro? If you had an ND2 and a GT4.
59:39 Speaker 04 That's it.
59:39 Doug DeMuro? If I had those two cars, I wouldn't even need friends.
59:43 Speaker 03 That's so true.
59:44 Speaker 04 We couldn't fit many of them in the cars anyway, so.
59:46 Doug DeMuro? I would just get in my cars every day, drive. They would be my friends.
59:50 Speaker 04 If you lived in a gorge in southwest France and all you needed to do was drive, and didn't really need to do anything else, because they're not productive there, you could have those two cars and that would be it.
59:59 Doug DeMuro? Yep. You don't like the RF more?
1:00:00 Speaker 04 No.
1:00:01 Doug DeMuro? I do.
1:00:02 Speaker 03 Why add weight?
1:00:03 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, because it looks cooler and a hardtop's important in a cold climb.
1:00:07 Speaker 04 Well, we don't live in a cold climb.
1:00:08 Doug DeMuro? But you never know. When you get in a Miata, you never know where that road's gonna lead.
1:00:11 Speaker 04 I'll tell you what. Well, yes, you could just go thunk. You can still do the thunk with the roof and it was fine.
1:00:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, true. Plus, yeah, pull up an RF. Go to the site. We sell these things.
1:00:23 Speaker 03 So often.
1:00:23 Doug DeMuro? Promo the site. Cars and bids, for god's sake.
1:00:26 Speaker 03 We have one left.
1:00:27 Doug DeMuro? There's one right there. Go to that one.
1:00:29 Speaker 03 The RF, by the way, are also decreasing in value, but holding their value, so. They were so much more expensive.
1:00:33 Doug DeMuro? God, I love this car. This is such a good-looking car. Any ND2. The point is, any ND2. Any ND2.
1:00:38 Speaker 04 Any ND. Yeah, the ND2 specifically is the one I would pick, but like, and I drove that supercharged one that was awesome.
1:00:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, you know, in an era where most cars are getting worse from an enthusiast perspective, like if you like the old stuff, I truly believe this is the best Miata ever made.
1:00:52 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:00:52 Doug DeMuro? It has enough modern tech, but it's still like true to its roots. It looks good. It still drives well. Like, I truly believe that in 25 years, we'll look back on some cars from this era as being bad, and this one is being like an amazing.
1:01:04 Speaker 03 I'm gonna drive one. I've never driven an ND.
1:01:06 Speaker 04 It's so good.
1:01:06 Doug DeMuro? What?
1:01:07 Speaker 03 I can't believe it. But I really want to drive an ND1 because they're so affordable.
1:01:10 Doug DeMuro? He had an NB and hated it, though.
1:01:11 Speaker 03 I liked my NB. I just didn't love it.
1:01:13 Doug DeMuro? But that's true of you in all cars. You've never loved a car.
1:01:16 Speaker 03 Except for, uh...
1:01:19 Speaker 04 You've never owned it.
1:01:22 Speaker 04 Loved it so much, you never owned it.
1:01:23 Doug DeMuro? Correct. He wasn't willing to pony up the $6,100 to get it here.
1:01:27 Speaker 03 Can we talk about one thing about the ND Miata?
1:01:29 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:30 Speaker 03 All right. The one that you drove had the Brembo BBS Recaro package.
1:01:35 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:01:36 Speaker 03 Which is one of the simultaneously best-named and worst-named packages.
1:01:39 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:01:40 Speaker 03 Because it is literally just Brembo slash BBS slash Recaro. There is, by the way, also the Brembo BBS package that doesn't have the Recaros.
1:01:46 Doug DeMuro? Why didn't they just call it the Sport package?
1:01:48 Speaker 03 Right. But I'm glad they didn't.
1:01:50 Doug DeMuro? In the community, is this called like the BBR?
1:01:53 Speaker 03 You gotta assume, right? But apparently they offered a Brembo BBS.
1:01:56 Doug DeMuro? BBS.
1:01:57 Speaker 03 They offered it without the Recaro. The BB, yeah.
1:02:00 Doug DeMuro? I'm not into the ND2 community, but I wish I was, honestly.
1:02:03 Speaker 03 We all should be.
1:02:03 Speaker 04 I was just so impressed with it. It was just so good. So I'll ask Kevin. I'm sure he'll let you drive.
1:02:07 Doug DeMuro? Oh, look at that one. Look at this one. This is like beautifully set up. That's a nice car. Sold for $31,000.
1:02:14 Speaker 03 I mean, it was a club, so presumably new it was not that much more than that.
1:02:18 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 But now new one's gone.
1:02:19 Doug DeMuro? That is a cool car.
1:02:20 Speaker 03 Have you driven it? Did you drive an ND3?
1:02:22 Doug DeMuro? Uh, is there an ND3?
1:02:24 Speaker 03 There's an ND3.
1:02:25 Doug DeMuro? This is like a newer Nunu?
1:02:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, 2024.
1:02:28 Doug DeMuro? Oh, I gotta get into an ND3. I haven't driven a Miata in a long time, but I love it. Every time I'm in one, I love it. Every time I'm in one, I absolutely love it. Look at that one.
1:02:35 Speaker 04 Yep. And if you have like, like you said, no ego, like it is just.
1:02:38 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, like it's a car that isn't going to impress anybody except you.
1:02:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, you're gonna have a great time driving.
1:02:43 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. And if that's, if that's all you're looking for, then I respect that because like I need to impress people at my core. Filippo needs people to hear his exhaust with his little 500A bar.
1:02:52 Speaker 03 It's the worst part of the 500.
1:02:54 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:02:54 Doug DeMuro? The worst, the worst part. Meanwhile, he revs everywhere he goes. There's no other way to drive it.
1:02:59 Speaker 04 It's the worst part, not the trim that's falling off of it.
1:03:01 Speaker 03 I have no trim falling off, except for the side.
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1:03:23 Doug DeMuro? Well, anyway, if you want to ask us questions, go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. There is a post right now about how Filippo is going to be at Petit Le Mans in Atlanta, folks. Look that up. It's in October. Filippo is going to be there. Kenan is going to be there. You can see the two of them.
1:03:36 Speaker 03 See us.
1:03:37 Speaker 04 Talking about race cars.
1:03:38 Doug DeMuro? You can probably.
1:03:39 Speaker 04 Me talking about race cars.
1:03:40 Doug DeMuro? You can probably touch them if you ask nicely.
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1:03:44 Doug DeMuro? Okay, first question today from Tangle92. Tangle92. The GTD is impressive. Still, it seems like you could buy a GT350R, make a handful of modifications and get 80% of the experience for 20% of the cost. Do you agree? And what vehicles would fit that same idiot? 20 rule for the Ford GT, the Carrera GT and the Countach. I do agree, but I think that when this question is asked, what it is missing, and this question is gets asked a lot. Why should I buy a whatever when I could just get a whatever and mod it and be right there? Like, why should I spend the money for a Cayman GT4RS when a regular Cayman GTS, I could do a couple mods and that racetrack, the times are the same.
1:04:22 Doug DeMuro? The thing is like, the rarity and the specialness of the vehicle as a whole plays into what makes it special and desirable. And so, yeah, you could do that, but at every Cars and Coffee, you'll be like, it's a GT350R, but I did this, this, this and this, and I swear it's just as fast. Whereas like you show up at the GTD and there's like a level of specialness that comes with that car because there is, as much as enthusiasts who drive a lot and just want to be drivers don't like to admit to themselves, the rarity factor, the cost, the unusualness of the car goes into part of what makes it cool.
1:04:55 Speaker 04 Absolutely. And further going along that point, the reason why the other ones are valued more is because you get in it, you turn the key, you go. It comes with a warranty, it's well made, you don't have to worry about like, oh, I had to let the car idle for another 30 seconds so that I could make sure it got enough coolant through it so it wouldn't overheat. Like, you don't have to, there are no exceptions, it just works. And that's kind of the appeal to that.
1:05:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, go ahead, sorry.
1:05:18 Speaker 04 Yeah. And like you said, like, yes, there's a purity to modifying stuff like, and making it your own and there's like, you're then invested in it. But like the Top Gear Cool Wall one said, if you have to explain it, that's when it starts to lose its coolness to someone else.
1:05:30 Doug DeMuro? Right. And a lot of people do. I get approached at Cars and Coffee all the time. I have this, but I did this, this and this, and now it's just as fast as a whatever. And it's like, yeah.
1:05:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, but it isn't.
1:05:37 Doug DeMuro? Like, the fact that you're still trying to make that justification is an exp- and, and, and I, we should all hate to admit that like the rarity, the value, the like, coolness that like plays into it, but it does. It just does.
1:05:50 Speaker 03 I'll look at it from a slightly different perspective. You can make a car what you need it to be, probably more effectively than the automaker can. Because automakers are trying to make a car that for some purpose.
1:06:00 Doug DeMuro? Right.
1:06:01 Speaker 03 If you are trying to make the fastest possible Mustang on the circuit local to your house, that might not be a GTD and you can recreate that separately. But you are not going to be able to recreate the GTD with. The suspension setup that it has with everything else that it has yourself for less money.
1:06:14 Speaker 04 And.
1:06:15 Speaker 03 It's like a difference like.
1:06:15 Doug DeMuro? It's got a window into the trunk, which is a suspension area.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Right. You shouldn't try to recreate it. You should create. If you're trying to create something that is the best version for you, go ahead and do that, but then don't say it's just as good as whatever.
1:06:26 Speaker 04 I will add also from a market perspective, it's like your CD is worth something. It's like you put all this money in, maybe they are worth, you've spent the same, but there's one that's worth what it is and one worth.
1:06:35 Doug DeMuro? The market feels and that and that plays back into the specialness, the fact that the automaker made it like the coolness of it is part of it. The question is, are there vehicles that would fit the same 80 20 rule for the Ford GT or GT?
1:06:45 Speaker 04 I have one for you.
1:06:46 Doug DeMuro? Yes.
1:06:47 Speaker 04 There's one Porsche tried this and Harry Metcalf did a video on it recently.
1:06:50 Doug DeMuro? None.
1:06:51 Speaker 04 The 997 GT2 RS is the most powerful, it's the most powerful manual transmission Porsche ever made, more than the Carrera GT. It's faster than the Carrera GT, but which one is more desirable? It's the Carrera GT.
1:07:01 Speaker 03 GT2 RS is really cool.
1:07:02 Speaker 04 It's really cool, but the Carrera GT is more special. It's like Porsche effectively modified a 911 themselves. And you know, it's not as, it's not a Carrera GT.
1:07:12 Doug DeMuro? Now you could have bought a GT4. 2 RS has 620 horsepower.
1:07:16 Speaker 04 You have 612, I believe, or 615.
1:07:19 Doug DeMuro? Do I? 607, right?
1:07:20 Speaker 04 607, yeah.
1:07:21 Doug DeMuro? That's a lot.
1:07:22 Speaker 04 Yeah. And manual transmission rear wheel drive.
1:07:24 Doug DeMuro? Uh, there are a lot of cars. I think honestly a Boxer Spyder gets a lot of the way there and you could do a few more mods and get there and the Countach is harder because I think of the, the appearance of the car is a big component of it.
1:07:35 Speaker 03 Fiero based Countach.
1:07:36 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, I guess.
1:07:37 Speaker 04 That, that one, oh.
1:07:38 Doug DeMuro? Talk about a car you'd have to explain.
1:07:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, or don't. If you do it well enough.
1:07:42 Speaker 04 Look at that low body looking thing.
1:07:43 Doug DeMuro? All right. I'm going to upset some people with my answer to the next question. Are you ready? You ready for a little obsession?
1:07:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:48 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow. He's looking at the question to be ready.
1:07:50 Speaker 03 Prepare myself.
1:07:51 Doug DeMuro? From CX9er, we know that Toyota has the best enthusiast lineup right now, despite public perception that Toyota is a boring brand. By the way, I don't entirely agree with that. I think Toyota had that perception, but has mainly shed that perception over the last 10 years by making cool off rotors. Like if, at least here in the West, in, in Colorado, where I'm from, Utah, the California, like you say Toyota, you're talking about Toyota trucks that like do stuff.
1:08:12 Speaker 04 It's a solidity.
1:08:13 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:08:14 Speaker 03 Plus the Camry is grounded to ground.
1:08:15 Doug DeMuro? What brand is the opposite? As in, they have a reputation for being exciting or fun, but actually they have a boring lineup of cars. Mazda.
1:08:24 Doug DeMuro? Mazda.
1:08:25 Speaker 03 I really thought you would say BMW and I would support either answer.
1:08:28 Doug DeMuro? BMW.
1:08:30 Speaker 03 I'm down for either.
1:08:31 Speaker 04 BMW makes some exciting cars, but they make mostly least specials.
1:08:34 Doug DeMuro? BMW makes some pretty cool stuff.
1:08:35 Speaker 04 They do. Manual transmission, manual M3.
1:08:39 Doug DeMuro? M3 is cool.
1:08:41 Speaker 03 BMW M, absolutely.
1:08:43 Doug DeMuro? BMW I would submit is actually making more fun cars than we'll say. The fact that they're still doing stakes, the M2 still out with the stakes, six cylinders. The Z4 is still a stick, the M5 is fast regardless of the fact that people hate how big it is.
1:08:54 Speaker 04 It's got that great M2 on the side.
1:08:56 Speaker 03 And Mazda, look at that one. The ND3 Miata, the car we just decided was the best car in the world.
1:09:00 Doug DeMuro? Uh, that, that one. And that individual car has given Mazda this perception of sportiness. Have you ever driven a CX 50? Have you ever driven a CX 5? They're just driving like cars and they've convinced the enthusiasts and also journalists that their cars are somehow like really sporty.
1:09:18 Speaker 03 I agree.
1:09:18 Doug DeMuro? The CX 90 is just a big crossover.
1:09:21 Speaker 03 It's incredible branding. They've done an incredible job with it.
1:09:24 Doug DeMuro? Of convincing people that they're like an enthusiast brand on the backs of the wonderful, admittedly, MX5 Miata.
1:09:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, here's the thing. All right, the, the Miata lineup has.
1:09:34 Doug DeMuro? Oh, wow.
1:09:34 Speaker 04 Wow, even they.
1:09:36 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
1:09:37 Speaker 03 I don't know if I have to buy tariffs. How many cars does Mazda sell? Five model lines?
1:09:41 Doug DeMuro? Uh, there's CX 90, there's CX 50, there's CX 5 for some reason.
1:09:46 Speaker 03 And there is still also the CX 30 and there's a CX 70, but we're calling that a CX 90.
1:09:50 Doug DeMuro? Like, these are, these cars are not enthusiast cars. That does not drive enthusiast speed. That does not drive enthusiast speed. But they have kind of tried to convince people they do. These are a little sporty.
1:09:59 Speaker 03 Mazda 3 is okay. I, my point was gonna be if a fifth of the, of the, of the lineup for Mazda or a sixth of the lineup for Mazda is sporty, is BMW, is more than a sixth of the BMW lineup sporty?
1:10:09 Doug DeMuro? I think the fact that BMW is still willing to commit to several products in the sporty realm says a lot. But making all these crossovers and trying to call them sporty.
1:10:16 Speaker 03 I agree with your take fully. Honda also on my list of not really making anything sporty.
1:10:21 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, Honda's got like a perception of being sporty, but at the moment they don't make a single enjoyable car. Civic Type R. And Civic SI is cool. That's like it.
1:10:29 Speaker 03 Yikes.
1:10:30 Doug DeMuro? That's like it. Go to vehicles here. I mean, there's no Odyssey R, dude.
1:10:34 Speaker 03 There's no Odyssey R.
1:10:34 Speaker 04 Odyssey R.
1:10:35 Speaker 03 Truly, Honda is considered, I think, for many people, the fuel cell CRV.
1:10:41 Doug DeMuro? CRV, E F C E V. Does a fuel cell CRV?
1:10:44 Speaker 03 I didn't know that. And if I don't know that, yikes.
1:10:48 Doug DeMuro? Where do they sell that?
1:10:50 Speaker 03 Presumably only California. If, if, I feel like Honda is known as the enthusiast-y Toyota. I don't know that that's fair anymore.
1:10:57 Doug DeMuro? Anymore, yeah. Okay, next question from Kyle A. If the US and EU recognize each other's vehicle regulations and immediately all EU cars become available for sale in the US, which car would you be most interested in buying and which would, and would you seriously consider purchasing? M3 Touring.
1:11:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, M3 Touring is very high on the list. I like the, I guess it probably could come here, the Renault Turbo, like the little EV thing that they did. I think that's really cool. I saw a bunch of those in Europe.
1:11:22 Speaker 03 You'd buy an EV?
1:11:23 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, I said that's a R3 is like a car.
1:11:25 Speaker 03 You saw a Renault Turbo 5 EV and you didn't send it to me?
1:11:28 Speaker 04 I sent, yeah, I sent it to all of the group. The new Turbo 5 thing they're doing, I saw a bunch of them.
1:11:32 Speaker 03 Ah, you sent one.
1:11:33 Speaker 04 I thought the first day I was there. You need to pay attention.
1:11:35 Doug DeMuro? M3 Touring.
1:11:36 Speaker 04 M3 Touring is at the top of the list.
1:11:38 Doug DeMuro? I don't think Peugeot, like ultimately, even if the regs are equalized.
1:11:41 Speaker 03 That's not what the question was.
1:11:42 Doug DeMuro? They don't have a dealer network. Like, they're not gonna sell that car.
1:11:44 Speaker 03 No, of course not. But I, there's a bunch of station wagons that I think are truly beautiful, and I would buy a plug-in hybrid manual station wagon.
1:11:50 Doug DeMuro? M3 Touring. No. That's, that's the answer. I can't even think of any other Euro cars that are not sold in the US that are even slightly desirable. You guys, he mentioned a boring station wagon, you mentioned some sort of electric car. Are you familiar with the Renault 5 EV? Yeah, it looks cool. Is it even on sale? He claims it is.
1:12:06 Speaker 03 It is.
1:12:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, it is. I saw, yeah.
1:12:08 Speaker 03 Our friends at Throttle House just had a review with the base version.
1:12:10 Doug DeMuro? Throttle House is do, oh, well, you rejected cookies. You rejected cookies.
1:12:13 Speaker 04 Sorry, Renault, UK, you know, cookies.
1:12:16 Doug DeMuro? Look at that.
1:12:16 Speaker 04 Look how cool it is.
1:12:17 Speaker 03 I mean, to be clear, the wide-fender 3E version, they're building like a few, but the regular one is.
1:12:22 Speaker 04 But the regular one is around. I saw it on the streets of.
1:12:25 Doug DeMuro? It does look cool. Oh.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 What a cool animation.
1:12:28 Doug DeMuro? M3 Touring is the answer to this question.
1:12:31 Speaker 03 No, there's a lot of cars that I think are way more interesting.
1:12:33 Doug DeMuro? That, does it imply to use cars? Because if it does that Audi S1 Quattro that I really want, I would get one of those. Remember that?
1:12:39 Speaker 04 I do remember that. I saw lots of those.
1:12:41 Speaker 03 It's a cool little EV. I wouldn't, I wouldn't want one, to be honest, but that's cool.
1:12:45 Speaker 04 But I, yeah, but if you have to pick, the M3 Touring is this.
1:12:49 Doug DeMuro? You have to pick. Uh, okay, next question. This is a really good one. From Shelby186, question for all, what is the dream spec for each of the cars that you currently own?
1:12:59 Speaker 04 Let's talk among yourselves.
1:13:02 Doug DeMuro? Uh, for me, I still sometimes wish I had a yellow Carrera GT. Hate to admit it. But second dream spec is silver brown, which I have. Countach I'm cool with. Um, although I like every Countach color. I see Countach's in weird colors.
1:13:16 Speaker 03 White is a good color.
1:13:16 Doug DeMuro? White's cool. I wish I had a little bit more color in my garage. Uh, but I like them all. I like them all. Like, if it had been any color, I would have accepted it. For GT, uh, I still want white. White-blue. I have blue-white. I want white-blue. But I don't really care that much. It's not that big of a deal.
1:13:32 Speaker 03 Your station wagon not being white-white would be...
1:13:34 Doug DeMuro? Station wagon, which I didn't have a white interior, but needed a cool T for hard to find. Sequoia.
1:13:39 Speaker 03 I don't have cool T's. You don't have massage T's.
1:13:40 Doug DeMuro? Sequoia, I regret sometimes not getting orange.
1:13:43 Speaker 03 You should.
1:13:44 Doug DeMuro? I regret.
1:13:45 Speaker 03 It was hard to find. Hard enough to find any color, though.
1:13:47 Speaker 04 It's so embarrassing.
1:13:48 Doug DeMuro? It'd be embarrassing. I mean, it's already embarrassing.
1:13:50 Speaker 04 But it would be even more embarrassing.
1:13:53 Doug DeMuro? Uh, that's, those are all my cars. I think the G-Wagon is the spec I want. What's your M5?
1:13:58 Speaker 04 Luke's. My friend Luke has the right one. He has a 2000 E39 M5. Avis blue with the, uh, two-tone, full leather sport interior, which was only offered in 2000.
1:14:07 Speaker 03 You're a silver car guy, though.
1:14:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, but it looks so good in blue. Like, blue is...
1:14:11 Doug DeMuro? That's the color.
1:14:11 Speaker 04 Look at, I mean, BMW makes the nicest blues.
1:14:14 Doug DeMuro? When I was a kid lying on internet forums, this is the car that I wanted to lie about, but didn't think I was legit enough.
1:14:20 Speaker 04 Yeah. Yeah, it's just, oh, it's so lovely. I will say, dark colors, you do lose some of the definition of like the way it looks.
1:14:26 Doug DeMuro? Well, this is a darkened picture. I think, I've seen in the...
1:14:29 Speaker 04 But in, yeah, it's, Avis blue is...
1:14:32 Doug DeMuro? Are there any Estorils?
1:14:34 Speaker 04 There are some Estoril blue. Uh, the UK got a lot of very interesting E39 M5.
1:14:38 Doug DeMuro? Type in Estoril E39 M5.
1:14:43 Speaker 04 There are a handful.
1:14:45 Doug DeMuro? Wow, that looks good.
1:14:46 Speaker 04 There is one that came to the United States that lives in Georgia, I believe.
1:14:50 Speaker 03 It's kind of too light a blue.
1:14:51 Doug DeMuro? Oh, I love that car. Go back, go back to other, show me that.
1:14:55 Speaker 04 The black girls are not good, but other than that, it does look nice.
1:14:58 Doug DeMuro? Wow.
1:14:59 Speaker 04 That messing metallic is another really good.
1:15:01 Doug DeMuro? I would sell Filippo for this car.
1:15:02 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:15:04 Speaker 04 Uh, it's a very interesting color. There's they have some really cool colors.
1:15:08 Doug DeMuro? It's like a mess indeed. Filippo, what about you? You've got a brown, your brown little.
1:15:13 Speaker 03 I love the spec of my station wagon is for an S212. Exceptional. It's like the highest spec one I've ever seen.
1:15:20 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but it's brown.
1:15:21 Speaker 03 I love the brown. I'm into the color. I could do without the brown black interior, to be honest with you. Uh, don't love the interior color that much. Uh, my Fiat, I think, white with white wheels. White with white wheels is the best, objectively the best Abarth look.
1:15:34 Speaker 04 I saw one drive by the office the other day. The person hadn't cleaned the wheels in years. They're just brown.
1:15:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's that would be true for mine too. Black does hide that.
1:15:40 Doug DeMuro? They've all gotten to that point now. Every time I see one, the white wheels have like faded and they're bad.
1:15:45 Speaker 03 It wasn't. The paint comes off the wheels.
1:15:48 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:15:48 Speaker 03 Right.
1:15:48 Doug DeMuro? Cool.
1:15:49 Speaker 03 Issue. Uh, yeah. Uh, for the GTI, I don't really care.
1:15:53 Speaker 04 Right.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 It's a car I own. I wanted the.
1:15:56 Speaker 04 You gotta get rid of it.
1:15:57 Speaker 03 No, I love the the car is so good and my wife loves it.
1:16:00 Speaker 04 It's so good, you don't care. It's like a phone.
1:16:02 Speaker 03 It kind of is so good, I don't care.
1:16:05 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, two, two, maybe three more questions. There's so many good ones. There's so many good ones. From Bubble Booty, Bubble Buddy, are there cars where you wouldn't buy the manual even if it were optional? You know, this is a topic we have sometimes because I still feel that the CLK 63 black series, the manual swap that got so much press is like kind of a letdown. I haven't driven it, but I've driven that manual in other cars and it sucks. And that car wasn't really designed to be a manual, like ultimately, like it's it's kind of a bigger car. It's kind of a muscle car, like intended to be like, like, you know, not like precision driven.
1:16:40 Speaker 04 I think when Derek Ham Scott converts his next one, he should send it down so you can drive it. I'm because I'm curious myself and we'll see because I'd like to see that.
1:16:47 Doug DeMuro? I'm like driving a C240 manual. A bad manual can really kill a car. If you if you import an Audi A2 as an example, and you're all excited and then you get in the clutches really vague.
1:16:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course.
1:16:59 Doug DeMuro? But what do you expect?
1:17:00 Speaker 03 Okay, the fundamental reality is that for most, like we all say, it's. So great that Europe had manuals for so long. They, the goal was to make them as easy and, and uninteresting to drive.
1:17:12 Doug DeMuro? And they are.
1:17:13 Speaker 03 And they are. At the same time, I personally don't mind that. I still find it somewhat enjoyable to have something to do. So I recognize that it's a worse vehicle.
1:17:21 Doug DeMuro? I would rather have a dual clutch in an Audi A2, I'll tell you that. In a hypothetical Audi A2.
1:17:27 Speaker 04 You did this, though.
1:17:28 Doug DeMuro? I want to be clear. Not a real one. I don't have any real ones.
1:17:33 Speaker 04 You did this. You bought the auto defender as opposed to a manual.
1:17:37 Speaker 03 But that's because it was more desirable.
1:17:38 Speaker 04 No, no, he bought it because that's how he wanted to use it, which is why it's more desirable.
1:17:42 Doug DeMuro? I have zero regrets about that decision. Driving a stick in this car is not fun. No, it's like, there are some cars that where it just diminishes the fun. Basically all trucks. Hate to admit it. Tacoma's, I prefer an auto. Oh, it's brakes more often. Well, maybe so, but.
1:17:54 Speaker 03 I don't think that, I, I think it's fair to say that it's objectively worse, that the manual is not additive and it's subtractive in some ways. There's something still enjoyable about that. I enjoy having it to do with my hands, but I agree that it's not a better vehicle.
1:18:08 Doug DeMuro? There are a lot of cars where I don't think, I really don't think it improves the experience.
1:18:12 Speaker 03 The Camry, the last Camry that was available with the stick, the like rounded, oh, seven to eleven.
1:18:19 Doug DeMuro? Give me an auto and let me just drive.
1:18:21 Speaker 03 It can't have been good.
1:18:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:18:22 Speaker 03 But it's kind of nice to have. I, I, I'm supportive even though I recognize that it's not a better vehicle.
1:18:27 Speaker 04 Lincoln LS, I wonder if that's.
1:18:28 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's another good example.
1:18:30 Speaker 03 Also, I drive, on cars like that, I drive sticks incredibly efficiently and I can outperform the, the like, the automatic version and so that has value add.
1:18:39 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, one to two more questions. One to two more questions. Hey Doug, you mentioned quite often how you like to enjoy your cars and put miles on them unlike most people. At the same time, most people don't take their cars on the racetrack, uh, where they may have been designed for. How often do you take your cars on the track and do you find it terrifying? We, we went to the track. We did that. Pull up that video. I went with Kenan. Kennan drove a Z3000 on the track. And Kenan barely beat the A-Class.
1:19:01 Speaker 04 That's true, but I did.
1:19:05 Doug DeMuro? We did that track day and it was lovely. And, uh, and I would argue that I am therefore a track enthusiast. No, I don't take them on the track ever and it does terrify me. The cars are simply too valuable. And this track day is actually a good indication of what would happen if you and your friends went to the track. The one who has a good car that is not incredibly expensive will be the fastest. Like, we're all afraid. Nick skipping, spinning the Mercy was a scary situation. We were, I was afraid to push the Carrera GT too hard. God, look at that. It's like so sketch.
1:19:37 Speaker 04 I'll never forget that.
1:19:40 Speaker 04 It was the one place, they all, like, he spun it, anywhere would have been fine, but he chose near the wall.
1:19:46 Doug DeMuro? The track is famous for runoff.
1:19:48 Speaker 04 Right, because he went, "Watch this."
1:19:51 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, he was trying to beat my time because I had beaten him in the first. Anyway, the point is, I've taken them on the track, but they scare me on the track because of just how valuable they are. And it really, really, really legitimately is scary.
1:20:04 Doug DeMuro? Don't you guys agree? Yeah, I...
1:20:07 Speaker 04 For my own car, like, I was having some braking issues that day, which is what made it kind of scary. But, yeah, I just, the car just means too much to me and like, on track, it's like, it's just not a...
1:20:18 Doug DeMuro? Yep.
1:20:19 Speaker 04 It was cool, the pictures from it are awesome. I'm probably good driving that car on track ever again.
1:20:24 Doug DeMuro? Final question from Ultratech66. I imagine all of you are constantly asked for recommendations for car recommendations for friends and family. Do you have any recommendations you've made that you now regret?
1:20:37 Doug DeMuro? I now have come up with an idea on how to recommend cars to people. I kind of see what they're, what they want, and then I say, "Yeah, get that."
1:20:44 Speaker 03 I don't have any regrets, but I usually take a very listening approach, too.
1:20:50 Doug DeMuro? Filippo's car recommendations are some of the most insane. I was on a thread one time and it was just like so awful.
1:20:56 Speaker 03 My recommendations were exceptional.
1:20:57 Doug DeMuro? Like, he just like comes up with the most like unusually specific, infinitesimally different, like, not rational. Like, if you go right now to your dealer, there were three plug-in hybrid versions of this car, aged inventory that you can lease for $247 a month.
1:21:14 Speaker 03 I give great...
1:21:15 Doug DeMuro? And I'm like, the same person, I'm like, "Get a CRV."
1:21:20 Speaker 03 I give, I give good, the issues that the advice that I give is very like to go to do it well. I need a lot of information and I need their feedback because I want to tailor it to what their life is.
1:21:29 Doug DeMuro? The answer for car recommendations is always get a CRV.
1:21:33 Speaker 03 Yeah. And what ends up happening is I send them a very long email and I say like, hey, how do you feel about these things? I need, I need input on this. And then they go out and buy a CRV and that's fine.
1:21:41 Doug DeMuro? I generally try to get what people are interested in, get what they're already going down that path. And then I tell them either yes or no. I don't usually make cold recommendations.
1:21:48 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, for sure. You need information.
1:21:50 Doug DeMuro? I am also often surprised when I make car recommendations, how people are willing to change what their criteria is when they end up buying the car.
1:21:57 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:21:57 Doug DeMuro? I had one the other day, a three row family SUV, hybrid, maybe plug-in hybrid. And I said, Telluride, Palisade, you know, Highlander, what, what, Explorer.
1:22:07 Speaker 03 Telluride is not available, the hybrid was like.
1:22:09 Doug DeMuro? Well, yeah, but may, they, they said non-hybrid or maybe hybrid. That's what it was.
1:22:13 Speaker 03 Well, you gotta, you gotta lead them to where they need to be.
1:22:16 Doug DeMuro? They end up with an EV9 and I'm like, but how, electric hadn't been mentioned to me. Well, they showed up and the dealer was offering EV9s for like 37 cents a year. So it's, you know.
1:22:27 Speaker 03 I mean, fair. People often massively shift from what they said they wanted.
1:22:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
1:22:32 Speaker 03 Constantly.
1:22:33 Doug DeMuro? And that's one of the reasons why I just tell them to get what they're already kind of going down the road.
1:22:36 Speaker 03 You should have asked, you should not have asked.
1:22:38 Speaker 04 Only about sports cars and exotic cars.
1:22:41 Doug DeMuro? You never have friends from Ohio being like, hey, Ken, and I'm trying to get a Taurus, but they don't sell it anymore. Shucks.
1:22:46 Speaker 04 Faith did actually. Listen, yeah, Chris, it was exactly, that's what it was with their platinum edition.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 Did she get an outback?
1:22:51 Speaker 04 You know, she doesn't replace it. So I don't know what she's.
1:22:53 Doug DeMuro? She's got a Fusion?
1:22:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:22:54 Doug DeMuro? You mean titanium?
1:22:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:22:56 Doug DeMuro? Whoa.
1:22:57 Speaker 04 I know. That's what.
1:22:57 Doug DeMuro? Energy or no?
1:22:58 Speaker 04 I don't think so.
1:22:59 Speaker 03 With energy with an I, to be clear.
1:23:01 Doug DeMuro? You know what I was behind today? Brand new Accord.
1:23:03 Speaker 04 Yeah. But the, the one I do regret.
1:23:05 Doug DeMuro? They're there for sale. They're everywhere. Imagine some of them are on templates. Yeah.
1:23:10 Speaker 04 The one I do regret was Blake, our co-founder and friend asked us what exotic car should he get. I recommended an F430. He bought an F430, drove it and then had to spend $30,000 in maintenance to get it to function, which was not my fault, but I recommended that one because it seemed so nice.
1:23:21 Speaker 03 Well, that is your fault.
1:23:22 Speaker 04 Right. But he insisted, no, it wasn't your fault. So he's, he's cool though, I guess. But that, I felt bad because it cost.
1:23:28 Doug DeMuro? I don't. My big tactic now truly is to generally, oh, so what have you already looked at? Oh, you like that? Oh, yeah, well, that's a good car.
1:23:36 Speaker 03 The biggest piece of advice you end up giving is, have you gone to look at any of them? Have you sat in any of them? And the answer is always no.
1:23:44 Doug DeMuro? I will say.
1:23:44 Speaker 03 Okay, well, go do that.
1:23:45 Doug DeMuro? Right, that's where you start. And when you see people going down a direction, I try to either validate or not. If someone's going down a bad direction, if someone's got Mitsubishi Outlander in their mind.
1:23:55 Speaker 03 Wait, great car.
1:23:56 Doug DeMuro? Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. I will say, I did one regret, I did validate a friend's decision to buy a Lucid Air,
1:24:04 Doug DeMuro? which I think that it was an early one, and I think that that's an amazing car. It was glitchy, and I think that that's the type of car that should probably, at least at that time, maybe still, should probably be purchased by someone who is tech forward and recognizes that they're kind of a test driver, at least at the time.
1:24:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:24:21 Doug DeMuro? And that person was looking for reliable family transport.
1:24:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, top, top driver.
1:24:26 Speaker 04 Sort of thing.
1:24:28 Doug DeMuro? And, you know, that probably wasn't the right call. And that car ended up getting bought back.
1:24:32 Speaker 03 Yikes.
1:24:33 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, that's our pod. You got anything else? Monster spider related conversations?
1:24:38 Speaker 03 No.
1:24:38 Doug DeMuro? Do you have any thoughts on the Audi A2?
1:24:40 Speaker 03 I haven't driven it yet.
1:24:41 Doug DeMuro? It? What it? There's no Audi A2 here. There's no Audi A2 here, for God's sake!
1:24:49 Speaker 03 I've never driven one.
1:24:50 Doug DeMuro? You've never driven one?
1:24:51 Speaker 03 Never driven an A2.
1:24:52 Doug DeMuro? Certainly not.
1:24:53 Speaker 04 His father has struck one once.
1:24:55 Speaker 03 My father did run into the back of one once.
1:24:56 Doug DeMuro? Certainly not.
1:24:57 Speaker 03 I've never been in an A2.
1:24:58 Doug DeMuro? You've never been in an A2? Yeah, I wish we could change that for you, but we can't.
1:25:05 Doug DeMuro? All right, we're done here. Goodbye, everyone.
1:25:06 Speaker 03 Goodbye.
1:25:06 Speaker 04 Best pod we've ever done. Goodbye.
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