#358 - Danny Comes Clean on Moon Debate & Matt Cox Almost WALKS OFF the Show

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• 1:07Danny Jones?

  Me and Matt just got into a huge fight before we started recording.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  Were you recording?

• 1:11Danny Jones?

  Matt almost just walked off the podcast.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  I did not walk off, but I would have.

• 1:14Danny Jones?

  He almost just left. Because I bought, my wife spent good money on this Elf on the Shelf costume for Matt Cox.

• 1:21Speaker 03

  Which I told you I wasn't gonna wear.

• 1:22Danny Jones?

  No, you didn't.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  I did when you said it. I said, "I'm not wearing it." Do you want me to find the text where I said, "I'm not wearing it"?

• 1:27Danny Jones?

  No. But you walked in here and I gave him your Elf on the Shelf outfit.

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 1:33Danny Jones?

  What are you doing?

• 1:35Speaker 03

  Are we broadcasting our interviews in 4K or 1080p?

• 1:43Danny Jones?

  I love how you do this on the podcast.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  I know, right?

• 1:46Danny Jones?

  It's fine. They don't care.

• 1:48Speaker 03

  This is gonna go on your Patreon anyway.

• 1:49Danny Jones?

  I know it is.

• 1:51Speaker 03

  You get me a come and I think, "Oh, great. I'm gonna be on Danny's podcast." And then a week later, I'm like, "Hey, whoa."

• 1:58Danny Jones?

  The last one, I was afraid we were gonna get sued.

• 2:00Speaker 03

  Why?

• 2:01Danny Jones?

  By Garth Brooks.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  I mean Johnny Johnny Mitchell hasn't been sued yet.

• 2:05Danny Jones?

  I haven't either because we put we put you on the best of channel and I got a million views.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  Nice. Oh, yeah, that's right. That was.

• 2:12Danny Jones?

  I had so many people text me after that.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Fifty one minutes, right? It was like fifty minutes. Just you guys took that one portion.

• 2:19Danny Jones?

  Well, we what we did was our our editor, he combines all like the best moments of the podcast and condenses them into one hour.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:27Danny Jones?

  And I had so many people text me about that podcast like, bro, Garth, I even had a guy who knows Garth Brooks.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:34Danny Jones?

  He's like, for real? Is this true? Not like friends.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  I know, but what's wrong with people? What is wrong with you? That's because I got text messages. And not text, I'm sorry, I got emails like, not a lot, maybe two or three emails where people are saying, you know, we need to talk. This is a, you know, I have information for you. And I'm like, come on, man. Is that like, this is satire. This is, you know, you look, half of the people are mocking. Are mocking because of because they realize it's satire and they're like, they're like, you know, this is super stupid. Or they're saying it's funny. And then every once in a while, there's 10% in there that go, oh, my God, you know, no wonder I I knew something was wrong with him. And you're like, are you insane?

• 3:18Danny Jones?

  You want to wear your headphones?

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Uh, I mean.

• 3:20Danny Jones?

  Oh, you got your hat. You don't have to wear it. Oh, my God.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's it's insanity. People are nuts. Like, there's no way you could possibly believe that.

• 3:29Danny Jones?

  People will believe anything on the internet these days.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  That is true. They think you're an authority simply because you have a YouTube channel, which they could pull off with their iPhone.

• 3:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, it's getting out of hand. It really is. It's a it's become, I think it's becoming a problem. And I'm definitely part of that problem.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  I was just thinking that of like, you're a big part of it. The guy's talking about.

• 3:54Danny Jones?

  Problem is some of this stuff's so fun to talk about.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  It is, but I mean, when you're doing your podcast and some guy tells you that the pyramids were built because they're they're batteries. They're used as batteries to supercharge UFOs. You never, you never break. You the whole time, like, how long have you known this? Where did you have you spoken with the CIA? You know, I'm like, I'm like, I can't even watch this. I'm like, how is he not breaking?

• 4:23Danny Jones?

  First of all, he didn't say it was a battery. Chris Dunn is a former aerospace engineer.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Care?

• 4:30Danny Jones?

  Okay, and he wrote a book, which is a hype, I'm using two fingers, hypothesis.

• 4:37Danny Jones?

  To reverse engineer, because there are explainable things about the pyramid. There's, have you seen the interior diagram of the pyramid?

• 4:44Speaker 03

  I understand you want to continue to get guests, and I get what you're doing.

• 4:47Danny Jones?

  No, listen, no, that's a legitimate question.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  Like, I have to take this serious, and he's still the guest.

• 4:51Danny Jones?

  Okay, so you think the pyramid was a tomb? You're agreeing with the conventional?

• 4:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:56Danny Jones?

  Okay, it's a tomb. Okay, then why does it have all these little weird shafts that go up and down? And chambers with giant granite boxes that wouldn't even fit in those chambers? And 10-ton chunks of granite that are stacked up inside these things? And it's clear, it's clearly, it's evident that it wasn't made for human beings to get through that place. And there's like underground chamber that anyone who is like over 120 pounds can't even get through? That goes down like 100 feet under the ground? Why? Why all that for a tomb? That doesn't make sense. I think it's reasonable to ask questions about that kind of stuff.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  I, questions, that's reasonable, but I don't think that they're, you know, I disagree with the.

• 5:39Danny Jones?

  You don't think that it was a solid-state electricity machine to provide free energy to the advanced civilization that lived in Egypt during the time?

• 5:48Speaker 03

  No, no, I don't. You know, I want to believe you, but.

• 5:53Danny Jones?

  I want to believe it, too.

• 5:55Speaker 03

  It's a lot of fun.

• 5:56Danny Jones?

  It is a ton of fun.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  You know, there's a lot of fun, you know, concepts, but listen, I love, I have a friend named.

• 6:01Danny Jones?

  Okay, well, look, the opposite point to that is Zahi Hawass, who is the minister of antiquities in Egypt. And he is the one who is the guardian of the history of Egypt. And did you see his podcast with Joe Rogan? It was the worst podcast of all time. The guy was sitting there smoking a cigar, saying that he invented everything.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  Invented, what do you mean invented?

• 6:23Danny Jones?

  Like he, he, he discovered everything, everything that's ever been discovered in Egypt. He talks about he is the one who discovered it. And he was like, it was just the worst conversation ever. And the dude had no rational arguments for any of the things that Joe had to say. So like, that's who you're arguing against. Just because the other stuff sounds so crazy, doesn't mean it's like ultimately dismissible. It's a, it's a hard thing to navigate, but there is some legitimate questions about that stuff. Especially the ancient Egypt stuff.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  I just feel like a good portion of your, of your, uh, your subscribers or viewers believe that the earth is flat. That's, I'm just saying.

• 6:57Danny Jones?

  They don't, how dare you say that about my subscribers? They don't believe that.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  I think some of them do.

• 7:03Danny Jones?

  Look, the difference between me and you is I don't loathe my own subscribers.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  I don't loathe my subscribers. I love my subscribers.

• 7:10Danny Jones?

  I love my viewers. Okay. And I don't, I don't, uh, disrespect their intelligence like that.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Oh my God. Okay. All right. So what are we talking about?

• 7:23Danny Jones?

  So, uh, before we started this, me and Matt got into a huge fight. And he almost stormed off the set.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  It was an argument, wasn't a fight.

• 7:29Danny Jones?

  And he refused, my wife spent good money on this elf on the shelf costume.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  It's a 1999.

• 7:35Danny Jones?

  Cause Jeff, cause you are the elf on the shelf. This is our inaugural.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 7:38Danny Jones?

  Christmas episode where you, you know, you're the elf on the shelf. And last year, I think with the title of the episode for last Christmas was like elf on the shelf describes the New York city or the New Jersey drone.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Saint is a little helper.

• 7:49Danny Jones?

  Saint is a little helper. That's what we called you.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  I didn't even know that.

• 7:53Danny Jones?

  You refuse to put on the costume.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  No, it's, come on, it's too much. It's, it's enough already. I got the hat. I would have worn a red shirt if you'd said, wear a red shirt or something.

• 8:02Danny Jones?

  So I put it on, so long story short, I'm the elf on the shelf today because you refused to wear the costume.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  And then Danny took his shirt off and, and clearly been working out.

• 8:09Danny Jones?

  And your wife complimented me?

• 8:10Speaker 03

  I took a picture of him. My wife said, has Danny been working out? It's like, we're gonna have to talk about that when I, when I get home.

• 8:17Danny Jones?

  Maybe when I get a yacht.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. She'll, she'll be the cap, the captain of your, of your yacht.

• 8:26Danny Jones?

  How's that go? Your wife is the, what is your, she's the below deck for the, for like the billionaire yachts, right?

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, no, she's now she's got a captain's license.

• 8:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, now she's the captain of the yachts? How big are these yachts she's driving?

• 8:36Speaker 03

  No, she hasn't done, I don't, she, you know, so she'll take them out, right? And she can, you know, whatever they call it, steer, captain, then run them. I don't know what they call it. But it's the leaving port and getting to port. Like, these things are worth, these are fifteen, twenty million dollar, you know, and more vessels. So she works for a yacht management company. And so she goes out with them, but she does lots of different things. She does maintenance, she does, she's a stew if they need one. Or she'll, she'll be like, yeah, like a stewardess. They don't call them stewardess.

• 9:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  They call them stews. So, you know, because these, the, these people that own the yachts, one, they, they lease them out, of course. Or they take their family out and they'll go down to the Keys or go wherever they're gonna go. You know, they'll go to Jamaica, whatever. And they'll have that, they'll have to have stews go with them because they're like, uh, whatever they're, you know, they're the waitresses, waiters, you know, they do all the running around so that these people can just basically lounge. And so she'll do that. She'll do maintenance. Today she was running maintenance. She dropped something in the water. And, uh, they had to call a scuba diver. I don't think she dropped it. She said she didn't drop it. She said that the bolt had come off and that when she removed something, she said it fell.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  She said, but the bolt had already come out. It wasn't my fault, whatever. And so they have to call it. And this happens a lot. Like, they'll go out and they'll work on something, something falls in the water. And they'll have to call a scu, they're scuba divers and they'll come out and they'll go down, they'll find it and come back and.

• 10:05Danny Jones?

  I saw a video on TikTok. There's a guy on TikTok who does this, like, this is, this is his job. He sco, he scuba dives under docks for people who lose their shit.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:14Danny Jones?

  And there was a video, there was a video of this guy, he was picking up a pair of sunglasses. It was, and it was a pair of like not that expensive sunglasses.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  She, she just dropped her cellphone one time. It was like twenty feet down. She swam down twenty feet and basically she said.

• 10:28Danny Jones?

  Just herself?

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Herself. She's like, I, I literally just went, you know, searched around till she found her phone and then came back up.

• 10:36Danny Jones?

  With no goggles or anything, no mask?

• 10:38Speaker 03

  No, nothing. But this was, this was.

• 10:40Danny Jones?

  Dude, she's hardcore.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  We'll go.

• 10:42Danny Jones?

  Where was this?

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Have you ever been scalloping?

• 10:44Danny Jones?

  I've been scalloping, yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can see down there, you know, you can see.

• 10:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, not with no goggles. Sometimes those docks can be pretty, the water can be pretty murky and muddy.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Maybe she did have, have like a mask or something. I don't know, I didn't ask.

• 10:54Danny Jones?

  Depends where she is. If she's in the Bahamas, then that's, that's easy. But you said she had her eyes closed and she was just feeling around.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Well, no, she, I think she said she couldn't see. So wherever it was, it was, it wasn't the good water out. It was kind of murky, I think. She said you could barely, you couldn't even see down there.

• 11:07Danny Jones?

  That's sketchy.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  So, yeah, but she said it was a cell phone.

• 11:10Danny Jones?

  They hang out under those docks, depending on where you are.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Well, my money's on her. She's pretty tough.

• 11:15Danny Jones?

  She is rugged. She's industrial strength.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:18Danny Jones?

  So, uh.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  Did you see my Jeep?

• 11:22Danny Jones?

  The FJ Cruiser?

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's got.

• 11:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I've seen it.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  It's got a, a lift kit. It's got thirty fives on it. It's got, she's replaced this, she has replaced the, the.

• 11:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, she did it all.

• 11:35Speaker 03

  She's replaced the windows, the, the, all the lights on the whole thing. She's rebuilding the whole thing. And this is just kind of what she's doing on her spare time. You, you know, when you get in your car and you have your, the, the computer? You get in with your cell phone, it connects automatically to your. She pulled out the dash and put in an aftermarket computer. So when I get in my car, all my CarPlay comes up, everything. It's like a brand new car. This is a two thousand and seven.

• 12:00Danny Jones?

  She installed all this shit herself?

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 12:03Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  She didn't do the lift kit. She didn't put on the lift kit. That's the only thing. Everything else she did.

• 12:06Danny Jones?

  Did she put in a Dell computer?

• 12:08Speaker 03

  No, but she, um, what did she want? We have to replace the, we have to replace the, um, the frame. Cause it's got rust. Hmm. Like I got this thing for like five grand? Six grand, something like that. I mean, it was, it's, it's bad.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  That's basically the car. Replacing the frame?

• 12:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's actually not that bad. They lift the, but it's only a few bolts and they lift the body off. They were, they pull off the, they, they, she explained it. She goes, it's really not that bad. You could basically do it in a day. She says, it's not gonna be that hard. But she can't do it. This, we got somebody who's gonna do it, but.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, we have to replace the bushings. There's like six bushings. And she knows all about it. She's so, we'll see.

• 12:46Danny Jones?

  Why don't you just buy a new car? You can afford it. You sold like what, fifty thousand Garth Brooks books?

• 12:50Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 12:51Danny Jones?

  I can't believe he has this.

• 12:52Speaker 03

  I didn't say that's not what I sold. I it's I it's probably 20, maybe 20 or $30,000 worth of books. But um, but why I don't want I don't want a car payment and I want to fix it up. I want to do what I want to do with the vehicle and have it all paid for and have a vehicle. Hmm. And it's fun.

• 13:11Danny Jones?

  The Garth Brooks thing is wild. You think there's absolutely no chance?

• 13:15Speaker 03

  How there's no, what did we, I, no.

• 13:18Danny Jones?

  No, huh?

• 13:19Speaker 03

  No, no. But listen, if you watch Johnny Johnny Mitchell's podcast on it, he leans into it the whole time. And anytime I cut up or laughed about it, he cut it out. So it's solid the whole way through. I'm it sounds like I'm trying to convince him.

• 13:33Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  And I'm and we're talking about it. It's it's it's it's lawsuit material. No, I'm just kidding. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

• 13:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's the best way to get views now.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  The shorts got several million or shorts got million. Your shorts got over a million. Your your video got your shorts got.

• 13:50Danny Jones?

  Our full video got over a million.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  But showed you your shorts.

• 13:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, uh, maybe. I don't remember.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  I I'm pretty sure that the.

• 13:56Danny Jones?

  All I knew is it went crazy. It went crazy. That's the thing. That's the thing. Content like that is like the easiest way to get views and like blow up on the internet.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 14:06Danny Jones?

  And people get stuck in that. They see that they like, oh, OK, Garth Brooks is a serial killer. I made a million views on that. What's the next craziest thing I can do?

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:14Danny Jones?

  You know, this is like the Candace Owens model.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I I was when you I was just about to say, look at Candace Owens. Like, there was a time two years ago where, you know, I listened to her and I thought she was great. And she was amazing. And then and then whatever the rift was between she and Ben Shapiro happened. And then the next thing you know, it was she was saying insane stuff, talking about whatever.

• 14:36Danny Jones?

  Well, here's the thing, there's a lot of legit stuff she says, and I think it's mixed in with a lot of insane stuff. And it's hard to parse out what's what's bullshit and what's actually correct, you know? If you enjoy watching our show on Spotify or YouTube and you want to be more involved, I encourage you to please come check out our Patreon community. Not only does our Patreon community get every episode you see on YouTube, early, fully uncensored and ad free, but we're also doing Patreon exclusive episodes as well as live Q and A's. And you can get your personal questions answered by our guests every single week. For me, being able to collaborate and communicate back and forth with our Patreon community every week has been huge. And this is my way of saying thank you for the cost of a cup of coffee a month. Now, back to the show.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  So I mentioned this, by the way, I interviewed. A former CIA agent, not Bustamante, because Bustamante, when I contacted him was like, Matt, I can't, I'm booked till, you know, you know, March or something. I thought, I'm lucky. I even got that response from him. And this guy I met, I did a keynote speech and he did a keynote speech at the same place for a, for a banking, at a banking conference. And he had done it. And of course, we're all the keynote speakers were sitting at the same table. So I got his information and I said, Hey, man, can you, so I was like, who else do I know? I contacted him. He flew in, did a great job. That video just came out, but we mentioned Candace Owens briefly. Like I didn't, we didn't go into it hard.

• 16:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  Listen, Candace Owens people.

• 16:05Danny Jones?

  They're loyal.

• 16:05Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, I've got 30 to 40% of the comments are Candace Owens people saying, you just lost me. You just lost a subscriber. I can't listen to you. Candace Owens is, is, showing us the truth about what they've been hiding all these years. Candace, and they were, they're going nuts. Like the, and of course, the video is doing pretty well. It's been, it's been one out for one day. It has got like 40,000 views.

• 16:29Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  We also put her on the cover. So.

• 16:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, did you really?

• 16:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, but it's, we barely been talking about it, but boy, let me tell you, they are upset. And it's the same thing. It's the controversy.

• 16:40Danny Jones?

  Have you paid attention to any of the stuff that she's been talking about, about this Charlie Kirk investigation? She's going hard.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  I've talked, I mean, I, I've watched a couple of TikToks and the problem is, one, she's talking about people that I don't really know who they are. And it's like, one, she's, she's taking, to me, it appears, and I haven't done a deep dive into what she's saying. But it's turned in, it's gone from like Israel, and then she's incorporated, you know, the, the Clintons, and she's incorporated this person. And then anybody that there's any rumors, it's all being incorporated into and that, you know, Trump signed off on it, or, you know, it's just like this insane, it's like anything she can do, she throws in, she's just throwing, it seems like she's throwing stuff into the pot. And it's like, you don't have proof of any of this. Because what? You got an email from somebody or the Trump administration admitted?

• 17:31Speaker 03

  That there was a there's now a there's a hit out on me and and it's like where what I have the receipts where what are you talking about?

• 17:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she said that it was like the she got she found evidence that like the French legionnaire. Uh, was do the they were doing some sort of a. Training course or some sort of training camp in California, but up leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there was this Egyptian plane that was flying from Delaware from Cairo to Delaware and then. I guess flew to Utah where Charlie was and she has this whole timeline. Of what was leading what was happening leading up. Look and look, I'm sure there's a lot of legitimate stuff that she's like.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  I mean, do I believe that there was a plane? Sure, some plane landed somewhere who was on it that French legionnaires are. Conducting operations inside of the United States borders like.

• 18:24Danny Jones?

  Well, look, here's here's what are we doing here's for sure.

• 18:29Danny Jones?

  I I think it's pretty obvious that it wasn't just this kid who did it. There was a lot. Something way more sinister involved. There was definitely more people. There's definitely some some kind of cover up. I mean. Just look at the the crooks guy who tried to kill the president. Why did that get buried? There was all kinds of stuff on the internet about him. There was videos, there was posts, there was.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  And it got scrubbed?

• 18:54Danny Jones?

  It just got forgot about. The mainstream media just forgot about it. And the FBI said there was nothing. And Tucker Carlson just came out with this incredible video that did this deep dive into all this stuff that that was that. People were able to find on him and like videos that he was posting like if this guy existed on the internet, which he did. He would be the top of any federal agencies. Red flag list, right? Because NSA FBI, whatever it is.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  You're talking about crooks.

• 19:22Danny Jones?

  Crooks.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he wouldn't because. The Biden administration was in charge and at that time and let's face it, even if they knew about him, they're probably hoping that he takes Trump out.

• 19:33Danny Jones?

  Well, that's my point.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 19:36Danny Jones?

  That's my point like that like.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  We did a whole thing on this. Remember we called up the CIA guy?

• 19:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, John Kerry.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:44Danny Jones?

  And and then the whole thing just got scrubbed and it's it's also weird that Trump hasn't talked about it at all. Like he hasn't tried to like press in on that and like. Put his boot down a little bit harder to try to get more information out there. It seems like it's just like swept it under the rug. I mean. Yeah, issues. He's already got other things going on. He's got. Sure. He's got Venezuela. He's got. Yeah. But then, um, you know, with this thing, with the Charlie Kirk thing, there's just so many fucking holes in that story, dude. It doesn't line up. And, and the FBI like pushing, pushing the law enforcement in Utah to like, close the case when there's so many fucking questions. All this stuff about Charlie Kirk and the billionaires trying to hold this influencer summit

• 20:27Danny Jones?

  in the Hamptons a couple of weeks before he got murdered. And just like, the thing stinks to high heaven. The whole fucking thing stinks to high heaven. And Netanyahu inviting him to Israel, he declined. That's real. No one's, no one's come out and said that that's a lie. She's, she's been showing text messages. There's videos of Charlie Kirk and the other Kelly, Megyn Kelly talking about like, they're getting bullied by these Israeli billionaires, Zionists to do all this stuff. And they're like, dude, the biggest fucking nail in the coffin is when Charlie Kirk went on Patrick Bet David like a year, two years ago, right out, or no, a year ago, shortly after October 7th. Charlie Kirk goes on Patrick Bet David's show and he was like, I gotta be careful how I say this.

• 21:12Danny Jones?

  He, but he's like, I've been to Israel many times. He's like,

• 21:17Danny Jones?

  my question is, my, it's a legitimate question is, was there a stand down order? After those terrorists went over the wall and killed all those people at that concert? Because I know for a fact, it's a 45 minute helicopter ride from Jerusalem to the Gaza border. No one did anything for six hours.

• 21:36Danny Jones?

  And that was like the start of it. Like when that, when that happened, it was like, whoa. Like this guy's been invited to Israel so many times. He's pro-Israel mainly because of his, believe his faith, his religious faith. He believes that's like the site of the Holy Land and all that stuff. And then like in the last, since October 7th, he started to, to go more and more, you know, questioning Israel. And then there was the summit that he did, the TPUSA summit in Tampa, which was, what was that, July? I think this was past July where Tucker showed up and can't, I don't know if, no Candace wasn't there, but Tucker was there and Dave Smith was there. Dave Smith did a debate with this guy named Josh Hammer and Tucker was there to this long monologue and they both were talking about Israel and, you know, how, how Israel is blackmailing our politicians.

• 22:19Danny Jones?

  And yeah, this is the, they do, Charlie. We don't have to play it.

• 22:25Danny Jones?

  And, and basically the Israeli foreign lobby, the lobbying Congress, like it's insane. They don't have to register as a foreign agent. And anyways, it seems like, and that's also a part of Candace's whole thing. That's when this whole thing started to go downhill fast. And then Netanyahu reached out and said, I think this is verified, but he said to her, or to Charlie, let's meet, come to Israel and we'll take TPUSA to the next level. Whatever that means. And apparently he declined. And now he's dead. Now he wants to say Israel did it.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  Why did he decline? Maybe he declined because there's many reasons he didn't. And I don't see that any of that says that they're behind the shooting.

• 23:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  It's just that there's obviously, there's a rift there and there's always, you know, things going on behind the scenes. And, but I don't think that that doesn't mean that this guy, this kind of lone wolf kid didn't decide he was going to, you know, shoot Charlie Cook and, or Charlie Kirk? And he didn't just, you know, get lucky, you know? Like, I mean, Crooks didn't get lucky. Crooks missed and, and you know, nipped his ear, right? But this kid actually fucking hit him, right? So, um, you know, how do you know that that's just not what it is?

• 23:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  You know, like the, the simplest answer is usually the truth. Not that all that other stuff isn't possible, but where's the leap? That it's a leap to say all of this is going on and, and they want to kill a private citizen, you know?

• 23:55Danny Jones?

  Okay, think about this. Why, if you're, if you want to kill somebody, there's the two angles. Like, was it somebody who wanted to make a, obviously it was somebody who wanted to make a spectacle. They wanted to be public. If it was somebody that was like in his inner circle, they wouldn't have done it like that and made it a big mid theater out of it, right? They would have done it privately, done something else.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it could have been, could have been any number of things where they know he's not going to be out in front of everybody.

• 24:21Danny Jones?

  Whoever did it obviously wanted to send a message.

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• 25:25Danny Jones?

  Or make some sort of political statement or something like that.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Or this is the only place they knew where he would be, and they had a shot at him. Like, I'm never gonna get close enough to this guy.

• 25:32Danny Jones?

  The guy always does these kinds. This is his career. This is his gimmick.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. This kid knew, I know where he'll be. I know the lay of that area. I can go in and I can, you know, check the whole thing out, and I can get from this roof, this is where he's supposed to be, I believe I can take a shot and I can hit him. You know, and he did. And he, you know, he hit him and, you know, it was horrific. But so, I mean, I don't know that that means that Israel was behind it, or that anybody in specifically was. Not that they don't maybe have complete, have a whole bunch of issues with, with him. I just don't, it's like, and I get it, listen, in, in 100 years from now, 100 years from now, like, there's probably gonna be podcasts where they released all the files, and it turns out, you're right, Oswald was actually sitting in the cafeteria

• 26:20Speaker 03

  when Kennedy was shot, you know, and then you're going, what? And then suddenly, all from, you know, right now, it's all muddy, and maybe in 50 years from now, it makes complete sense when they start put, like, if you've ever seen these things where they put together the timeline with Oswald and all, it's insane, like, all these, matter of fact, you know, do you, you know who does a great job of it? The movie JFK. With Oswald, have you ever seen it? The, the first movie? Yeah, with Kevin Costner. Yep, yep. I mean, it, it really like lays it, it out. And of course, it lays it out because they have this fictitious character that lays it out for you, right? Who he was a part of the military, he was, and he explains the whole thing, lays it out, and you're like, wow. And maybe all that's true, but maybe Oswald

• 27:05Speaker 03

  just was in the, you know, the, um, Texas book depository and he, and he, and he decided to take a shot and he, and it worked out for him. There's no way that's true, though. Yeah, I, I don't, I don't really believe that's true either. No, I mean, the footage, the footage back into the lab. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's the most insane shot ever where the, the, the blowback. There was multiple shots. Yeah, it's one where it's like this. Yeah, there's one here, it is one here, and then the other one is like, oh, he's got, he gets hit from behind and he fought, he flies back towards the, like, come on, that doesn't happen. You know, because I'm an expert, I've seen a bunch of movies. Um, but yeah, it, it doesn't, it doesn't look, it just, and nobody that looks at the film thinks, oh, yeah, it, that shot came from

• 27:48Speaker 03

  behind, like, no, there's no way. So, I mean, I, I agree. You know what? It's, it, there's a guy, there's a whole video, and this was a guy that was locked up and where he admits that he was the shooter. And he's got, it's a whole. Oh, this guy emailed me. Uh, is he even still alive? You know, I've had at least, I've had at least a couple people email me telling me they were the shooter. No, this was a guy that was in prison. This was a guy who was in prison and it, and it's back in the,

• 28:21Speaker 03

  I don't know. You see, I hate saying that. I hate, I don't know. But it, it's a whole video where he's interviewed by like a, he's interviewed by like a journalist or something. Yeah. And it's like this, it's not really a documentary, it's just they, they get him and they're interviewing him in the prison. He's actually in prison for, I believe, murder or something where he gets 20 years and he ends up dying, I think, in prison. Did you find this on YouTube? Yeah, it's on YouTube. What did he look like? What was he? He was just a white guy and, and supposedly he was in the military. He was in the military and he had been, he had been contacted, oh, I think he had gotten out of the military, but he was a sharpshooter. He'd gotten out of the military, I want to say, and then he was contacted by some of his old military guys. That's, that's him. That's him. Yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  It's it's very is he's I think he's dead is he dead now?

• 29:08Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  How old is he?

• 29:10Danny Jones?

  James E. Files?

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think this guy's actually emailed me. Okay, then he's still alive? Wow. I think so. He's.

• 29:19Danny Jones?

  Let me check my email.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  Listen, he's very convincing.

• 29:24Danny Jones?

  Is he?

• 29:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:26Danny Jones?

  So you know who Danny Sheehan is was the lawyer for Watergate and the Pentagon Papers? He um he interviewed a bunch of people that were really close to the uh the JFK assassination and the Watergate thing and the Pentagon Papers.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  So he's eighty three years old.

• 29:42Danny Jones?

  What was his first name? James? James Files?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  James Files.

• 29:46Danny Jones?

  James F I L E S. Do I have an email from him?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  While serving a fifty year sentence uh for a nineteen ninety one attempted murder of two police officers, Files gave an interview stating that he was the Grassy Knoll shooter in nineteen sixty three assassinating assassination of

• 30:03Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  US President. Uh he it was guy says he's eighty three.

• 30:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Born nineteen forty two.

• 30:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's still alive.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  That's amazing. I thought I thought he had died in prison. I knew he was in prison. I wonder if he I wonder if he got out. Maybe he got out.

• 30:17Danny Jones?

  So what did he say? Who who did he say? Does he say who like hired him to do it?

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, he kind of knew the guys who hired him, but he kind of felt like I think he felt like they were either they were with the military or they had been with the military or were with military and had not were now were working for like a private agency, which he believed was probably not that, but it was maybe in the CIA, something along like he knew they were working for somebody else. They got him because I think he wasn't in the military anymore, or maybe he was. But they they basically pull him off and he's like I he didn't even realize that he was going to be the shooter until like very much the last minute. And he even talks about how he left something in the area. There's something where he left.

• 31:01Speaker 03

  Something, a bullet or a cigarette butt. He leaves something in the area that they found.

• 31:08Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  And he talks about how like, and I left this and turns out that that's part of one of the things that they found when they went up to the grass, you know? Talks about these people being over here and this guy, he, he has a, it's a very, very compelling story where you, where if I wasn't so opposed to it, I would be like, fuck, I think this guy might have shot. You know?

• 31:25Danny Jones?

  Also a great way to sell some books in prison.

• 31:27Speaker 03

  It, it is. I don't know if he was selling a book, but it's, it is a great interview if you watched it. It's, it's very convincing, although I'm old and I can't remember all of it. But I knew we were gonna talk about it.

• 31:38Danny Jones?

  Vincent Bugliosi, the, he was the prosecutor of the Manson, uh, case, author of the 2000 book, uh, author of the 2000 book, 2007 book. Wow. Easy for you to say. Reclaiming history, the assassination of President John F. Kennedy characterized files as the Rodney Dangerfield of Kennedy assassins. According to Bugliosi was a fucking bona fide liar, by the way, uh, for what that's worth. Very few, uh, within the majority of Americans, 75% who believe there was a conspiracy to kill Kenny, respect him. Or his story, however, uh, conspiracy author, James Croft, described files as surprisingly credible and said his story is the most believable and persuasive about the assassination.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:18Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  It's very.

• 32:19Danny Jones?

  So, uh, Danny Sheehan, uh, the Harvard lawyer told me that, um, it was some anti Castro Cubans that shot the president. Because it was easy to recruit them. They were part of this group called the S-Force. And they were the ones that were a part of the Bay of Pigs invasion. And, um, they all hated Kennedy because he didn't provide air support.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  He really fucking, he, he, he really left them out to dry and, and, you know, the agreement with, uh, I think, was it Eisenhower who was before him or? Whoever Kennedy took over for, or, or, you know, won the presidency from, uh, which is funny because the whole time Kennedy was running, he was beating up. Who did Kennedy win from? Was it Eisenhower?

• 33:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 33:08Danny Jones?

  Was it Truman?

• 33:11Danny Jones?

  No, it was not Truman. That was 40s, 50s, maybe Eisenhower. I don't know.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Who was it?

• 33:15Danny Jones?

  We don't know our history here.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 33:17Danny Jones?

  None of us know.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I'm asking.

• 33:20Danny Jones?

  You mean like who he beat? Who was the president before Kennedy?

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:25Danny Jones?

  This is not the

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Who was the president before Kennedy?

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Lyndon B. Johnson.

• 33:31Speaker 03

  Lyndon B. Johnson.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  No, that's not true. He was his, he was his vice president. Sorry.

• 33:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  Was succeed, oh, succeeded.

• 33:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, who was before him?

• 33:41Speaker 04

  I typed in superseded. Preceded.

• 33:44Danny Jones?

  Are we all that retarded? We can't figure out how to ask an iPhone who was before Kennedy?

• 33:48Speaker 03

  I just asked a buddy of mine who's trying to answer me right now. He's just fucking long.

• 33:52Danny Jones?

  How about you? I'll beat both you guys.

• 33:53Speaker 03

  This motherfucker. Come on, Dave.

• 33:54Danny Jones?

  Who was the president before John F. Kennedy?

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Eisenhower.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  Oh, I said Eisenhower.

• 33:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it was Eisenhower. You're right.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Okay, so.

• 34:02Danny Jones?

  You barely got me there, Steve.

• 34:03Speaker 03

  So Kennedy, the whole time during the debates, was beating up Eisenhower about the fact that Cuba was now, that had, it had been taken over and that he had done nothing about it. And so, of course, Eisenhower is actually knows that they are, the CIA is currently training Cubans, former Cubans, to go back in and take over the island. And so, once, once Kennedy takes over and he's briefed about that, Kennedy, who the whole time made it sound like he was gonna do something about it, suddenly decided he's not gonna do anything. Suddenly, when he found out what the plan was, he decided it seemed too much like D-Day.

• 34:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  And he was like, they're gonna know we're behind it. And he wanted deniability. So

• 34:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  he switched the, the area where they were going to land, which is a nice, which was a nice sandy beach. He switched that area and he picked another area, which was the Bay of Pigs, which was rocks and it was just a horrible place to, to, um, a horrible place to land. And then their agreement was, once you guys, if you could take the beachhead and hold it for like a, a few hours or a day, he's like, then we'll send in air support. And

• 35:17Speaker 03

  So the Cubans were very upset because he'd cut everything in half.

• 35:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  How many they were bringing in, the boats, everything. The Cubans come in, they hold it for three days and they basically let them, they never send the troops. And the CIA officers who had trained these guys, worked with them for a year, had to sit there on the radio and listen to these guys get slaughtered. They run out of fuel.

• 35:42Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  They run out of weapon or out of ammunition. Eventually the Cubans take, Cubans, you know, over, take them over or, you know, whatever. And they, and Kennedy refused to send in air support and just let these guys get slaughtered. You know, so I can see the Cubans hating his guts. I just don't know.

• 36:03Danny Jones?

  So, um, according to Danny Sheehan, Howard Hughes was a big part of this too. And, um, Nixon, when he was the governor of, what state was he the governor of? Was it California?

• 36:18Speaker 03

  I have no idea.

• 36:19Danny Jones?

  Who, Nixon? Nixon was the governor of?

• 36:22Speaker 03

  California.

• 36:23Danny Jones?

  California. Got it. So Nixon was a part of the training, him and Howard Hughes. He asked Howard Hughes to help him, uh, train a hit squad to assassinate Castro. So they got these anti Castro Cubans they recruited with the CIA. And they were training them down in Oaxaca, Mexico. And this was around the same time as the Iran contra, the Contras and the San Donistas thing in Central America.

• 36:53Danny Jones?

  And, um, so Howard Hughes set this all up and like got the mob, the mob was involved somehow. And, um, Nixon was the one who tasked him to do it. So they were training these triangular hit teams of Cubans down in Oaxaca, Mexico, where they would set up in a triangular formation to assassinate. Um, and the goal was to assassinate Castro. And they actually went down there to try to assassinate Castro, I think three times. And every mission failed. They obviously never, never could do it. And, um, So eventually, once the decision was made by, I mean, it's pretty obvious that it was fucking us that killed the president. I mean, everyone has their own flavor of who killed John F. Kennedy, but I think it's overwhelming that the Somebody assassinated him.

• 37:38Danny Jones?

  That it was a military coup. It was the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Whenever the decision was made by whoever you believe it was to kill the president, it was those same triangular hit squads, those Cubans, that were trained to kill Castro, that killed the president. And what Watergate was allegedly all about. So the way they, they were funding those, that training in Oaxaca, Mexico, was the International Bank in Mexico City. They were giving money to those guys.

• 38:10Danny Jones?

  And so they killed the president and then Watergate, the same assassination team, those Cubans, that broke in during the Watergate thing? One of them Cubans broke in during Watergate? Yeah, yeah.

• 38:30Danny Jones?

  It was a couple of Cubans that broke into the hotel. There was a bunch of guys, but at least two of them were Cubans. Two of them were on that same hit squad, hit squad training in Oaxaca, Mexico to kill the president. And one of them had a receipt in his pocket to that same bank that was funding them. And the FBI director, whoever the head of the FBI was that was investigating that. George Bush? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So several of the men who broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate office complex in 92 were Cuban exiles.

• 39:04Danny Jones?

  So one of those Cuban exiles at Watergate had a receipt to that bank in Mexico City. And the FBI guy was trying to investigate that. And Nixon wanted to put the kibosh on that because he knew that if the FBI found out that there was a connection to those guys that were training in Mexico, the triangular hit teams, he knew that they would be able to trace it back to him eventually. And he was incredibly paranoid that that was gonna open up the whole Kennedy can of worms. That, and also, the CIA director at the time, who was the same guy during MKUltra.

• 39:51Danny Jones?

  Anyways, the head of the CIA at the time was like, why, like, like, uh, why do you want us to stop this investigation into the, into these Cuban exiles? And, um, the White House-

• 40:03Speaker 04

  John McConaughey?

• 40:04Danny Jones?

  No, it was John McConaughey, the guy before that, I think.

• 40:09Danny Jones?

  The response was, from the Chief of Staff for Nixon, was that's gonna open up a whole can of worms, that a whole, that's gonna let the genie out of the bottle on the Kennedy thing, and we don't want that to happen. So that's when they, they killed that. But the reality of it was, Nixon didn't order the murder. He was just connected to training the hit squads that ended up killing the president. And he was just paranoid that he was gonna get blamed for killing Kennedy.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  I don't know anything about it, you know, like-

• 40:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 03

  I don't even have an opinion on it.

• 40:45Danny Jones?

  And it was 50 years ago, we still don't know the answer. Or how many years ago was that?

• 40:47Speaker 04

  Shoot. Uh, 60s was 60 years ago.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  60 years ago.

• 40:52Danny Jones?

  And we still don't know the truth.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. I wonder if, I don't think we ever will know the truth, right? Like, the documents are-

• 40:58Danny Jones?

  How many people do you think, if you were to poll all the Americans, believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone? What'd you, what was your, like, guesstimate of, like, percentage?

• 41:08Speaker 03

  25%?

• 41:09Danny Jones?

  You think 25% think he acted alone?

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Was it, didn't it just say 75% of people believe that, that,

• 41:17Speaker 03

  um, it was some kind of an assassination, isn't that what the, the, uh, isn't that what that statistic just said?

• 41:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't know. What was that statistic? I think that was about the James Files guy.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Oh, was it?

• 41:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't remember what we just read, to be honest. But like-

• 41:31Speaker 03

  What percentage of US population believe Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald?

• 41:38Danny Jones?

  Let's see what it says.

• 41:42Danny Jones?

  Ask it, ask it what percentage of US citizens believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

• 41:53Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm not using chat GPT. I was just using Google. So it's got a bunch of stuff, but it's not. It's not very specific.

• 42:00Danny Jones?

  I bet you it's not a lot.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I don't what 25% isn't a lot, is it? Um, 65% of Americans think Kennedy was assassinated. So 65%.

• 42:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. They think he was assassinated.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  US government, US government names.

• 42:15Danny Jones?

  Really going out on a limb there.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  20%.

• 42:17Danny Jones?

  He's alive.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  20%.

• 42:20Danny Jones?

  Look at this. In 2013, a poll found that 30% of Americans believe Oswald was a lone gunman.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Okay, I said 25%, right?

• 42:27Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  I mean, worked in concert with.

• 42:31Danny Jones?

  Anyone who's paying attention.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:34Danny Jones?

  I mean, anyone, anybody who's paying just a little bit of attention knows the government's lying. And they don't care. They don't have to tell us the truth, right? Like, who's gonna, what's gonna happen?

• 42:42Speaker 03

  It's funny when you, you know, like, growing up, I never saw it that way. But now, you know, because of social media and because there's so many conspiracies that are under, you know, that have been uncovered, like now, it's like you just, you know.

• 42:58Danny Jones?

  How about the Epstein one?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  Pretty much believe, believe that everything, almost everything they're saying, or at least half of what they say is, is a lie.

• 43:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  You know, whatever happened with this UFO thing?

• 43:09Danny Jones?

  What do you mean?

• 43:10Speaker 03

  I mean, they, they're, they're like, they've just basically admitted, like, that's the end of it. They've admitted that there are these things that are out there that we don't know what they are, and they show up every once in a while, and we get them on tape sometimes, and that's it.

• 43:21Danny Jones?

  Who was saying this? Where'd you read this?

• 43:23Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, the thing that the Navy caught on film, and that there's all the, all of the, there were these, the hearings and.

• 43:32Danny Jones?

  You talking about the age of disclosure documentary that just came out last week?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Well, I didn't see that, but in general, but yes, that type of a thing where I'm saying like, what ultimately, like, Marco Rubio's on it, like, they're talking about like.

• 43:44Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of high ranking officials on there, like, military people, Joint Chiefs of Staff people, senators. Oh, yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  What was ultimately the, the conclusion was, I thought, prior to this, I just kind of thought, so that's like, we're never getting the real answer? Like, there's.

• 43:58Danny Jones?

  It seems like.

• 44:03Danny Jones?

  Everybody in the government and the military are very aware that this is real. But it seems like there's an internal fight.

• 44:10Danny Jones?

  Within the government and the military.

• 44:13Danny Jones?

  A clash of people in camp one that want to keep this stuff a secret. And camp two that want to make it public.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:19Danny Jones?

  And the group that wants to keep it a secret. I believe is because that a lot of the money like in the black budget and a lot of the money, missing money from the Pentagon. Has gone to these projects, these like a reverse engineering projects.

• 44:33Danny Jones?

  Because it's gotta, it's gotta be kept a secret and it can't be accounted for, right? So, so they would be criminally liable if this stuff came out. They would face charge, they would, they would face crimes. So I think what the goal is with these documentaries like this is to like. Is to, and there's also a lot of whistleblowers in there that have come out of these programs like, like air, like air force guys and Navy guys and generals and stuff like this. And people in the CIA that claim it's real.

• 45:04Danny Jones?

  Number one, there's gotta be whistleblower protection for these people. And number two.

• 45:11Danny Jones?

  What it sucks, but you gotta do it, you gotta give amnesty.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  I was just gonna say, why can't Trump just pardon, give a blanket.

• 45:17Danny Jones?

  You gotta, you gotta give a blanket amnesty, right, to these people so they don't, so they don't get, go to prison or anything for some of this stuff because, you know, what's worse, right? You gotta like, what's less bad? It's, I think it's more important for like, if there is some sort of fucking civilization that's living here on earth, sharing this planet with us that we don't know about, that's like super advanced. Like it's, we should know about it, like the, like, I don't think, I think we can handle it. I think human beings should know about that. You shouldn't keep that a secret from the rest of humanity.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  I mean, even if you told everybody and they were upset, like, what are they gonna do? Like, that's just the way it is. And we've been, we haven't known about it this whole time. So obviously they're hidden. Like they're either underwater or. You know, whatever, they're a different dimension, like they're not interfering with us. It's not like they're knocking planes out of the sky. So if you knew about it, like, what's it gonna change? I'm still, you're still gonna pay your rent.

• 46:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  You're still gonna pay your credit cards. I'm still gonna go to work. Like, it's not gonna.

• 46:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  You know, when, when they came out with these, hey, we've got, we've got these videos of these UFO things flying around like. And they finally, the, the, they finally came out and said, okay, this is true. We know it's true. We don't really know what they are. And they have these hearings like. The, the, the, the economy, nothing crashed, the economy didn't crash, people didn't quit their jobs or weren't mass suicide. So why not say something?

• 46:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  You know?

• 46:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the question is, what are they?

• 46:39Speaker 03

  And that should have been the feeler, right? Like, let, let's, we'll give it a little, give them a little bit. Let's, let's leak this, see what they do. Okay, well, it seemed fine.

• 46:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think-

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Nobody, so, fine, give me a little bit more, you can keep pushing. You can give us a little bit more, like, clearly, we can handle it. It's, I'm sure that it's no worse than our worst fears. Right? Like, if they, if they've been here and they're, they're occupying deep parts of the ocean, or they're living underground, or they're living in a, in another dimension, when they're with us all the time, then, you know, you can say that because it doesn't affect us, it's just curiosity, like, okay, well, now that makes sense. And what are those things? Well, sometimes this happens and this, you give a basic understanding, you go, okay, so they don't really pose a problem, do they? Are they really coming and kidnapping us and doing experiments?

• 47:29Speaker 03

  No, that's not really happening. Or maybe they say, well, yeah, that's happened a few times, we don't really know. Nobody's gonna storm the Capitol because of that.

• 47:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't think so either. I think the way they're trying to do it is like slowly drip it out, like slowly get people used to it, like documentaries-

• 47:44Speaker 03

  We're gonna do 50 years of sci-fi movies, then we're gonna release some tapes, then we're gonna-

• 47:50Danny Jones?

  Or maybe not, maybe they're just gonna keep, maybe they're just gonna keep-

• 47:53Speaker 03

  It's a hundred year plan.

• 47:54Danny Jones?

  Maybe they're just gonna keep inching us closer and closer and closer to it, and closer and closer and closer with, and then never fucking say anything, and just make us feel like we're going crazy, and make us fucking-

• 48:03Speaker 03

  The psyops?

• 48:04Danny Jones?

  It's, it, just drive us insane, kinda like how now, you know, the loudest voices on the internet saying the most absurd stuff get the most, the most attention and the most views and-

• 48:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:14Danny Jones?

  All that stuff, to where like, nothing is fucking real anymore, whatever's up must be down. If the government says it's raining outside, I'm gonna go check, because I don't think they're lying, because they're probably lying.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:23Danny Jones?

  It could be that too, who fucking knows? But I mean, it seems like there's overwhelming evidence that that's there's something going on.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:30Danny Jones?

  I but I've never personally seen it.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  No, me neither. I do like thinking about it, though.

• 48:36Danny Jones?

  I think it's crazy that I think it's crazy, though, that like, um, I think it's super plausible that if there is another civilization here, it's not from like Mars or some other planet. I think it's definitely here because like we've explored more of Mars than we've explored of our own ocean floors, like we've this this planet 70% ocean.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:56Danny Jones?

  So you've explored more of the surface of Mars than we have explored of our own oceans.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  Because we can't photograph it from the, you know, from space, right? So you can't photograph the the bottom of the ocean, so.

• 49:08Danny Jones?

  Well, yeah, we like.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  You have to go down there.

• 49:10Danny Jones?

  Isn't it saying that we can put a lunar rover on Mars and go all across, take photos and videos? But we can't do that on the ocean floor.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  It's a lot of pressure.

• 49:17Danny Jones?

  Pretty wild.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  A lot of pressure. Yeah. Water's, you know, it's heavy, crushes stuff.

• 49:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so I mean, like, if they have like some sort of super advanced technology that can handle like atmospheric pressure that deep, maybe they do have fucking caves and stuff under there. I mean, think about it this way, think about if there was some sort of like catastrophe on Earth right now, like a like a comet hit us or there was a nuclear war or whatever there was, who would survive? It would be probably like some uncontacted tribes in the Amazon and Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  They have their compounds.

• 49:50Danny Jones?

  In their bunker compounds that they built.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  And then stuff on the underneath the ocean.

• 49:53Danny Jones?

  So, yeah, yeah, continuity government stuff. So, uh, you would have billionaires, super smart billionaires with tons of money. And you would have the highest levels of the government and military with their underground bases and their underwater bases and all that, whatever they have, and people that are in nuclear submarines would probably survive.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  You should have built a bunker here. That's the that's what happened. He should have had a bunker. You might be probably do have a bunker. You probably didn't show me the bunker. He showed me the whole place. And then he started to go, show me the bunker. He's like, I don't want Matt banging on the door in six months when the asteroids come and saying, let me in, Danny, please. I got you 10 million views.

• 50:31Danny Jones?

  Could you imagine how crazy that would fucking be, bro? Like you saw, you know, you know what it was like here when the hurricanes hit? Like this town was like Mad Max when the hurricanes hit, bro.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, you, cause you were frontline.

• 50:43Danny Jones?

  I was right here.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  I was in Wesley Chapel and we like, we didn't have electric for like three days and, no, four days no electric and I think three days of no phone service. And that was just bizarre. I've been in Florida, you know, my whole life, albeit three years and some incarceration. But that was also, uh, that was also, uh, in Florida. So, but I've never had four days of, of electric, uh, going out. That was insane. And we were in Wesley Chapel. Where that's like, that's like 10, 15 miles from, from, and so this place is flooded and you know, like this area here, like you're right on.

• 51:22Danny Jones?

  This whole area was underwater.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  That's, that's nuts.

• 51:25Danny Jones?

  It was like Mad Max, bro. Like people were like sitting on their roofs because whole houses were underwater. And it was insane, like shit was closed, grocery stores were running out of everything. No gas stations had fucking gas. You'd have to plan your day around like weird survival things, you know? Like I was using my truck to power my house at one point. I mean, I had, I got a generator and I got like propane and all that. And it's just like how you have to restructure is crazy.

• 51:54Danny Jones?

  But that's just a fucking hurricane, just losing power for a couple of days. Like now imagine if there was like a catastrophe that killed millions and millions, if not billions of people. And there was only a couple of thousand people that survived. Well, the thousands of people that survived would be those Mark Zuckerbergs, Elon Musks, military generals, the presidents, those people. So those people are left, they're just gonna breed, they're gonna repopulate. And then eventually, maybe humans will start to, to sprout back up. Humanity will start to evolve again. And then maybe it takes a couple of hundred thousand years for them to get back to where you were when that asteroid hit. At that point, you've evolved already.

• 52:37Danny Jones?

  You've been, maybe you've been underground, maybe your conditions have been changed. Maybe the sky was blacked out, you're not getting enough sun, your diet's changed. Maybe there's inbreeding, the, you're getting more homogenized and, and, uh,

• 52:49Danny Jones?

  There's gonna be, you're gonna look different. Maybe you're gonna communicate different. Maybe you're gonna, I don't know. Who knows how you evolve? I'm not an anthropologist. But like if that humanity did kind of restart, and they got to the point where we are now, imagine what we would look like if we were 500,000 years more advanced. You know?

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:10Danny Jones?

  Maybe we would have the technology to conceal ourselves from the apes that are populating and kind of re-evolving. But we would want to keep an eye on them, make sure they don't blow each other up. There's been literally super high ranking people at these nuclear sites that have, I have a guy coming on the podcast soon, who is one of them. Like if you have to be, to be one of those guys, those air force officers that work at those ICBM bunkers, you have to be tip top, peak, like highest level, psychologically sound.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:39Danny Jones?

  Cause you have your fingers on the buttons.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:42Danny Jones?

  These guys are literally saying fucking UFOs came and hovered over our ICBM missiles and turned them off. Or in Russia, it happened too. They said they pointed them at the United States and armed them. And then like, it's like, just kidding, they turned them off. So if those people are saying this stuff's real, I don't know. I don't know how to.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  You believe it?

• 53:58Danny Jones?

  I believe it.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:59Danny Jones?

  So.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:01Danny Jones?

  Like that, that's what we would do though. Like if we were those people that were like a breakaway, we survived through a cataclysm and humanity reset, and we evolved technologically. We would want to make sure that primitive us that's evolving again, isn't gonna destroy this planet that we live on.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Right. Ryan, is it Ryan Gossett?

• 54:24Danny Jones?

  Ryan Gosling?

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Gosling, thank you. Why, I knew I was saying his name wrong. Right, so he has a movie coming out. Did you, have you seen that?

• 54:33Speaker 04

  No, I've seen, I've seen part of it.

• 54:34Danny Jones?

  I've seen a few movies.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Did you see the, it's, it's the one where he's, uh,

• 54:39Danny Jones?

  Oh, the moon, the moon one?

• 54:40Speaker 03

  No, it's not the, it's not the moon. It's where the stars. Where the stars, so it's like a virus is affecting stars. And they're, they're, they're, they're basically collapsing. And so he's like a school, like a science teacher at a high school or something. They go and they like NASA or somebody comes and they grab him and bring him to NASA. And he's like, what's going on? And they're like, okay, here's what's happening. For some reason, they choose him. And he's like, we're gonna, they're like, we're gonna put you to sleep. And we're gonna send you off here because there's one star that. It hasn't been affected, but it's about to affect the sun and it's been going, it's a virus and we want to know what's happening here so we can try and fix it. Listen, the-

• 55:24Danny Jones?

  Play the trailer.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  The trailer is amazing. It's amazing. It's, it's like a dark comedy, but it's, it's, it's great.

• 55:31Danny Jones?

  Full screen this bitch.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Very interesting.

• 55:33Danny Jones?

  I gotta see this. That looks badass.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I think the alien is like rock based or something.

• 55:40Danny Jones?

  The alien's cute.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  The aliens, yeah, it's, it's, listen, that trailer, which the movie may suck, but that trailer is, is, is close to like interstellar kind of trailer, like-

• 55:53Danny Jones?

  Oh no, I'm not gonna have my bow off.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Interstellar was just-

• 55:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's hard to top Interstellar.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:01Danny Jones?

  It's hard to beat Matthew McConaughey too.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. But this, you know, uh-

• 56:06Danny Jones?

  I just had a NASA astronaut on the podcast last-

• 56:08Speaker 03

  Did you?

• 56:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah. One of the last, there's four guys still alive that walked on the moon.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Oh, who is it?

• 56:15Danny Jones?

  Charlie Duke. He was on Apollo 16.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 56:18Danny Jones?

  He's one of the last four guys living that walked on the moon.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  He's gotta be in his 80s.

• 56:22Danny Jones?

  90.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Wow, and he's all there?

• 56:25Danny Jones?

  He's pretty sharp, dude.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:27Danny Jones?

  He's pretty sharp. I had him on here debating the world's number one moon landing denier.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Oh, I saw this. I saw the, I, okay, I saw this. Wow.

• 56:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  How did that go?

• 56:38Danny Jones?

  Not great.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Why?

• 56:41Speaker 03

  How, how did the, what are the numbers? I mean, not great, why? Because it, why?

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• 57:46Danny Jones?

  It was a train wreck. It was a train wreck of a podcast.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  What, were they angry at each other, or were they civil? Uh, 90-year-old guys have, tend to, they tend to have anger problems.

• 57:56Danny Jones?

  90-year-old, no, he wasn't angry. Charlie was very nice. Charlie was very calm and cordial.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Was the other guy a dick?

• 58:03Danny Jones?

  The problem was, yeah, he was a dick, but I kept him in check. I, I, I did, I tried my best to keep him in check. The problem was, like, the old guy's old, right?

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:15Danny Jones?

  And he's got, I think he suffers from short-term memory loss. I spent at least three months? How long did we schedule this thing? We scheduled this thing three months ago.

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:27Danny Jones?

  So we scheduled it three months in advance, right? And I spent, I had numerous phone calls with Charlie, the astronaut. I probably, I talked to him on the phone maybe 12 times, I want to say.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  He keep calling you Benji or something, or did he not?

• 58:41Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, I was explaining to him like the, like, what we were doing.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  What a podcast is.

• 58:46Danny Jones?

  And like who, like, explaining him Bart, and Bart's, all Bart's positions on why the moon landing was fake, and showing him Bart's website. By the way, he knew Bart. Like, he had known Bart from 20 years prior when Bart called him.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:00Danny Jones?

  So he's like, I remember this guy, I've seen videos. And Charlie has done podcasts about moon landing deniers, right?

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Can I say something?

• 59:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Train wreck or not, it's got over 350,000 views in two days, and it's almost four hours long.

• 59:17Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  I mean, that's, that's a great, that's a great result.

• 59:23Danny Jones?

  Let me explain. I, he's done podcasts like this before. He's with it. He seems sharp on all the other podcast interviews that he's interviews that he's done, right? Like especially for a 90 year old. I've never talked to a 90 year old that's that with it.

• 59:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 59:36Danny Jones?

  So he's like, yeah, I talk to these people all the time, Danny. He's like, no problem. And so I'm like, so I sent him Bart's website. Talked to him about what Bart believes. Asked him, you know, talked to, I walked him through over the phone. Some of the biggest points that I think Bart had and that Bart's gonna bring to the table. No problem, whatever. Anyways, I kept talking to him. I talked to him once a week for probably three months.

• 59:59Danny Jones?

  He gets here and then he's like, what are we discussing? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Every like 30 minutes. He's like, I don't understand the purpose of this conversation. What, are you trying to tell me you don't believe? By the way, here's another interesting tidbit. The moment the astronaut walked into the studio. And Bart, the moon landing denier was here. The first thing Charlie Duke said to him was, didn't you call me 20 years ago and say that you don't think I went to the moon? And the moon landing denier was like, wow, you remember that? Yeah, that was me. It's nice to finally meet you in the flesh. We sat down for the four hour podcast and he like, sitting where you are, was telling him, he's like,

• 1:00:44Danny Jones?

  are you trying to tell me you don't believe the moon landing happened? Do you think I'm lying? I didn't go to the moon like.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Was this later in the day or was it early?

• 1:00:51Danny Jones?

  It was one o'clock. I think we started to film.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Cause you know, they, they, so when you get older, they have something called the twilight, twilight.

• 1:01:00Danny Jones?

  No, because I picked, I personally picked him up from the airport the night, the night before and we had a great conversation. It was like nine o'clock at night.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, it could.

• 1:01:10Danny Jones?

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Could have been anything that threw him off or his routine off. Like my mom would have like, in the morning when she woke up for a few, several hours, she was really, really sharp. And then they had that she would hit that kind of twilight where it got to be. Six or seven, eight o'clock and, and she got bad. Like she got bad. She didn't, she forgot things. She told you things over and over again. She, it was, it was bad. Like, you know, and she was in her, she was ninety, ninety, you know, from ninety to ninety-two, you know, so it was no good. So, and I noticed that, like, I've always thought that, you know, if I had somebody older on or, or if you talk to older people, I was taking it into consideration. But you're saying it was one o'clock in the day. So that doesn't make sense. Maybe he was tired or that's too bad.

• 1:01:54Danny Jones?

  No, I was jacking him up with coffee. I, I was feeding him all kinds of shit to get him stimulated. I offered him some smelling salts. He didn't want that, but he seemed, he seemed fine, man. We did like, we took one break in four hours.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Well, you know, his, his, his resident time zone is two hours.

• 1:02:08Danny Jones?

  No, he's on, he's in South Carolina.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:02:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, that's, you know, it's funny because at that age, like it, in a week, it could, two days later, the next day, he might've been fucking sharp as a tack and tore the dude in half.

• 1:02:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  You know, that's, it's a, it's a, it's a dicey, like I, I interviewed a guy who, he's a skyjacker the other day.

• 1:02:29Danny Jones?

  A skyjacker?

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Right after, um.

• 1:02:32Danny Jones?

  Like Steve, are we talking about like Steve, Steveo, skyjacking?

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  No. Like DB Cooper.

• 1:02:38Danny Jones?

  Steveo, skyjacking?

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Like DB Cooper.

• 1:02:42Danny Jones?

  Steveo, for his last tour, he went up on a plane and jacked himself off to, to, he finished on the plane and jumped out of the plane.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  Well, it wasn't that.

• 1:02:55Danny Jones?

  And he called it skyjacking. Oh, God.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  Well, this guy was, I think this guy was in his late eighties and, uh, he did thirty years in prison for thirty, maybe forty years in prison for skyjacking, not the Steveo, you know, no Steveo. Um, yeah, and it was right after DB Cooper and, uh, it's, he, he told an amazing story, but towards the end of the story, he, he started getting a little loopy, you know? He started to, and, and it got to a point where we were wrapping it up and, and he started telling another story and we're like, okay, well, you know, and he started telling another, and it got to the point, he's like, did I mention that such and such? And it was like.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  You know, like, you know, yeah, you did, you know, you did, and he did a great job. But you you're sitting there thinking, wow, he's so sharp. But then he would do these things where he'd start talking about something 10 years earlier, 10 years. You know, it wasn't chronological. We'd have to bring him back and then he'd start to tell the same story again. You know, it was little things and you're like, now there's a documentary on him, which is phenomenal, because of course there's 30 hours of editing, you know, or 30 hours of footage and they trim it down. And so you've got three hours of an amazing video. And the the thing was good, but it was a remote. It didn't do very well.

• 1:04:11Danny Jones?

  That was a remote podcast?

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, I hate doing remotes. It was no good. I mean, like, remotes are horrible. They don't do well for for me. I don't like doing them. And but it was the same thing. Like, he was great. I had certain things he was great. And there are other things where it's like, I don't think he understood what understands right now, what we're talking about.

• 1:04:28Danny Jones?

  So how did he sky? How do you? How do you? Is he just like going up there with a going up there with a box cutter and like threatening to cut their throats?

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  No, he had a gun. He had a gun. This was prior to, this wasn't DB Cooper where he said he had a bomb. This guy got on with a weapon. And he skyjacked or he he it while the plane was in the air. He pulls the weapon out and then they land. And then he lets off almost everybody.

• 1:04:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  And then just before they're

• 1:04:54Danny Jones?

  That was nice.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  That, yeah, almost everybody, you know, he keeps a few people and he gets the money. Like, they they he says, I want, I don't know what it was, 300,000 or something. He gets it. And then as the plane's about to take off again, he's gonna have it go up somewhere and he's gonna jump out. Same same exact plane as DB Cooper with the rear rear staircase. And so as the plane, listen to this, as the plane is going down, everybody knew that this was happening. So the local news knew what was happening. And there was a bar that was like a mile or two from the airport and they were playing this on the local news. And this is at night, right? So this is like 10, 11, 12 o'clock at night. Some drunk at the bar is like, this is ridiculous. Somebody needs to do something about this. And he goes and he gets in his car, his new Cadillac, and he bashes through the fence

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  and he drives down the runway as the plane's starting to take off and he rams the plane. The car blows up, they so it stopped and this guy's got his, his weapon. He's, he's like, what the fuck is happening? He thinks it's maybe the FBI. Yeah. Anyway, he ends up saying, I need another plane. He thinks, you know, they're, don't fuck with me, that kind of stuff. So they, they get him another plane. He, everybody gets out of that plane, goes on the next plane. They take off. And when he jumps out of the plane, he's never jumped out of the plane before. I mean, I was like, you've never. This is the guy that was on your podcast? Yeah. I'm like, you've never jumped out of a plane? He's like, no, I never jumped out of a plane. So he ju- but so when he jumps out, he was, he kind of like had the bag with the money. First of all, where'd the money come from?

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  Well, he, he asked for the airline to give him money and they do, they were back then. Hundreds of thousands? Yes. DB Cooper got like Oh, wow. 250,000 or 300,000. So he got something like that, two, 300,000. Cause he knew DB Cooper got away with it. So he's like, this guy got away with it. And there was no security back then. So. Steve, will you give me a white rabbit?

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they're not cold. So what, what he ends up doing is he, he, so he ju- when he jumps out, have you ever parach- have you ever skydived? What flavor is that? Okay, that works. I've never skydived, no desire. So the, when the, when the, when the parachute, you, first of all, you're dropping very fast. And so when the parachute deploys, the harness yanks into you. I mean, it yanks in like, there's actually, you can get yanked by the harness so bad that it can, it can sever your testicle. Like you have to have it. Yeah. Well, that's what, that's the whole thing with, uh, Marcus Shrinker. I wrote that book, Bail Out. Yeah, I remember that. So he said it happened to him. I don't, I think he's got it both as nuts, but whatever.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  But that, it's a true thing. I talked to guys and they're like, oh no, they make, it's a big deal. Like with these guys, they're like, oh no, you, you, it'll happen. But you get yanked. If you do it once, you get yanked, you realize like, wow, he'd never done it. So he's like, kind of holding the bag. So when he, when he pulls the parachute, woo, it yanks, woo. The bag just yanks right out of his hand. He loses the money. Fucking great. And he's like, I'm going down. I can't see nothing. I can see one light and I'm trying to think, well, I could, I had to remember where the, where the, if I could try and triangulate, I could figure out where the money went and there was no light. There was one light. I don't know where I'm at. I don't know how far I'm at. I don't know. He does end up landing. He actually goes to sleep for a few hours. He phones a friend. He, the police. And does somebody land the plane?

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause it was, yeah, it was, it was a commercial airline. He didn't just ghost ride the plane? No, no, there was, no, he's not a pilot. He couldn't take off. He didn't, so he, he actually hitchhikes and the sheriff of the town picks him up. And actually says to him, he's like, what are you doing? And he's a little scratched up and sees, oh, I got, I had an issue with some buddies and yeah, I'm just need to go to a motel. He's like, okay. He said, yeah, you said, you can't be walking around here. He's, we're looking for that skyjacker. You hear about that? And it had been a day or two because he fell asleep in the woods. He was beat up. He was fucked up. He's looking for the money. He's, so anyway, they, they take him to the hotel, drop him off. He calls a friend. His friend eventually comes to pick him up. But by the time they pick, he picks him up, he's like, he had planned it with like two, two other people knew.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Well, as soon as they heard what had happened, these guys called the cops. They ran in? Of course. They're like, they're like, I, we were, we didn't, they didn't really think he would do it. And they are the ones who kind of helped plan it. So they're like, fuck. You know, like, what's happening? And the guy's calling me? You're calling me to pick you up? Like, what are you doing? And he's like, what, you know, what, what about the, what's happening? Well, I lost the money. Oh, Jesus. There's nothing good in this for me. You call the cops. So, yeah, he gets grabbed. And then when he goes to prison, he hooks up with a con man who convinces a woman.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  To um come see him, he gets her to fall in love with him. He was a very, he's a very charismatic guy. Like he could talk to these women and they were sending him money and he's talking to multiple women. Convinces this woman to come see him. They start seeing each other, convinces her to break him out of jail.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  By going to a helicopter pilot, get a helicopter pilot, get a gun. Tell him you're gonna go up and you're a real estate agent, you're gonna look for property from the air. Uh, you got a big buyer that wants to buy a bunch of acreage. So talks to, talks her into going and she hires a helicopter pilot. And when he takes her up to go supposedly go look for this stuff, she pulls the gun out and says, we're gonna land over here. In the wreck yard, you're picking up these two guys. And they're, they're, they're waiting like, he's like, we could see the helicopter. We're waiting. And the guy was, he'd flown a bunch, he was like a military career military guy who just started doing the helicopter thing. So he's like a, he's flown like, you know, a thousand or so, you know,

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  um, helicopter trips in Vietnam or something. This is not the guy to try and, and you're, you're some chick. And at some point she's looking out and he turns around and he grabs her and he yanks it. She fires the gun a few times. Oh God. And he actually, he lets go of the, the, the throttle thing and grabs the gun, yanks it away from her. And he, he's now, he's got the gun and she, he's like, he, she literally said, you know, oh, well, that's fine. I got another one and reaches into her, her bag to pull out the other gun. And the guy turns around just bop, bop, bop, bop, bop and just shoots her, kills her. So he got more time for that.

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  I mean, it's, it's an insane story, but it didn't do well. We released it on Thanksgiving. Oh, for like 40 years or something. Shh. I tried to get them to bring him to me like, you know what I'm saying? And they were like, look, he's like 80 something years old. Like he, he can't, I think, you know, he can't like. Where's he live? Oh gosh. He's somewhere, it's one of those square states up north. I don't know. You know, like his, you know. He was 80? Yeah, he was. I got a nine year old astronaut to come here, bro. You can get an 80 year old. I could, I, I probably should have pushed harder because he was very good at it. I mean, he was very good at the podcast. He did a great job. And uh, but they, they said no, and it was no, and. It was a

• 1:11:57Danny Jones?

  Sounds like a fun one, though.

• 1:11:58Speaker 03

  It was fun. He was very fun. He was very, he wasn't like, he could tell a story and he was, he was, like I said, he was very with it for the bulk of the thing. It's just, the problem was, it was, it was remote and we released it. Like Colby didn't want to release it. Colby didn't want to do any of these anymore. And so I did it and he's like, I'm gonna release, I'll release it on Thanksgiving. Because he knows if we, we didn't want to release it on a decent, on a, in a normal day because he's like, it's gonna get dog shit, um, views anyway. Sorry, I gotta, do we have a napkin? Uh, no. Oh, I gotta, I gotta get a leak anyways. Quick, quick break. It was yesterday, I was talking, I interviewed this guy for like four and a half hours and he was talking about like, you know, making, you know, millions of dollars and, and I was just like, and

• 1:12:42Speaker 03

  he was talking about, you know, doing some, he was talking about just crazy things that he was doing. And I was just thinking to myself, like, I just don't, I don't think that would change me. I don't, wouldn't go on vacation anymore. I wouldn't, I, you know, I'd probably do is I'd probably fly first class. Like, if, if I made a million dollars a year, I probably, I probably would buy like a house, like a nice, a nicer house, even though I love my, my, I like the place I live right now. We've been there like three years, like, I just don't know that my life would change because I feel like I've got everything I, I got more than what I thought I would ever have. So I'm so happy, you know, my big issue is-

• 1:13:22Danny Jones?

  Plus you've already been rich and broke.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  Even then, I don't think I was, I was, I was never bought like a Lamborghini. I never did any of those things, you know, as cocky and arrogant as I am, I never did those things. But that, that was also because I didn't want people watching me or asking questions or bringing, uh, um, you know, because of course I was wanted and I'm doing, I was doing illegal things. Like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna drive, you can't drive, but you drive a fucking Lamborghini and you're, you're stealing millions of dollars from the bank, like, it's gonna catch up with you faster than it already did.

• 1:13:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  But I'm saying right now, if, if I got that, if I legally was making a million a year, I just don't know that anything would change for me.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  I just don't know. I think, I think I would, I might, I probably, like I said, I'd probably start flying first class. I'd probably get a personal trainer. Get nicer cameras for the podcast. We've got, we've got great, I think those cameras we have are, we just got really nice cameras. Right. We have black magic with the whole black magic setup. It's like we got the switcher, the, the whole thing. You get a personal trainer? I'm saying I probably would get someone that would follow me around non-stop and not let me eat.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Cause that's what it'd take. And he'd have to be a big fucker too, because I'm, I'm, you know, and I, I need to lose 20 pounds. And he's. Are you getting, are you getting fat? Yeah, you, I hide it well, but I, yeah, I'm like one, I'm over 190. Are you still on the gas? One, yeah, yeah, I am. Um, but I'm not working out. I'm taking tests and I'm not working out. Right. Which is stupid. Why aren't you working out? You used to work out every morning. I know, bro. I'm so fucking lazy. I don't know what happened. This is. I just, it's horrible. I got comfortable and I'm. Dude, I, I, I don't work out enough. I work out maybe two days a week now. For the last couple of months and I have three kids.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you, you're a full-time mom, right? It's, it's still, is it still, there's still responsibilities for you? Yeah, are you kidding me? Dude, I spend so much goddamn time with my kids, bro. Are you serious? All morning, all morning. I wake up freaking 7 a.m., getting them ready for school, getting them breakfast, getting them lunch for the day, getting them dressed, take them to school. Come back, go to work. Soon as I get home from work, they're there. They gotta get dinner, bath, teeth brushed, ready for bed. I'm not doing all that. Are you, that's crazy. You gotta get somebody. Where's your wife? What do you mean? Was someone else to raise my kids? Get a nanny. They got au pairs. They'll like, they'll, they'll do it for this to get room and board in the house.

• 1:15:57Danny Jones?

  No, I'm at least gonna spend as much time as I'm not working. I'm gonna spend some time with my kids, bro. I don't want to have someone else raise my children.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Well, now you're still there. You just get to watch from a distance.

• 1:16:05Danny Jones?

  Then my kids are gonna, then my kids are gonna grow up to be fucking financial credit card thief for stealing money from banks. Or even worse, letting their best friends fuck their wives, making sex tapes, making porno tapes.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  What is, boy, the-

• 1:16:21Danny Jones?

  I don't want my kids to grow up to be degenerates. I want to be there. I want to be a present father.

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  I didn't say you weren't there. I'm just saying I'd need some, some help. There's three of them. You're outnumbered.

• 1:16:28Danny Jones?

  I got my wife. My wife, my wife carries the majority of the weight.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Okay, that's, okay, that's what I'm saying. You made it sound like you were-

• 1:16:34Danny Jones?

  She picks them up from school. I mean, she makes their lunch pretty much every day. She makes their dinner pretty much every night. But I'm like, they're helping. We got a baby. It's a lot.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  We just got a, a, a, a puppy, a pit bull puppy. That's a problem. That's enough of a problem. We could put him in the cage. He's tearing me up. Look, I'm all scratched up. I'm all, listen, because we got a pit bull because, you know, it was questionable whether we were white trash or not. And we said, let's just get the pit bull and just, let's go ahead and just go all in.

• 1:17:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  You know, let's go ahead and, and let's, let's, let's make this fine. Let's make this official. We're gonna get a pit bull puppy.

• 1:17:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  And, uh, yeah, that's one, one pit bull puppy's a lot. I can't imagine three kids. It's insanity. They're running around, they're, they're breaking stuff, they're, they're, you get their pooping in diapers or their, oh, it's just, it's a problem. It's too much.

• 1:17:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to find time for myself, especially to do workouts. You know, every time I find myself in the gym, it's like, fuck, I gotta leave in 10 minutes. Let me see if I can get a quick workout in or like before I leave here, you know?

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  You have a gym outside your-

• 1:17:38Danny Jones?

  That's what I'm saying. That's like, if I'm, if I'm like, like I'm saying, I have to be home at a certain time. I'll like, for me, my, my workouts are like, I gotta leave here in 10, 15 minutes. I can squeeze in a quick 10, 15 minute workout before I fucking go home. Like, I don't get to carve out three hours, two hours of the day to work out.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  Well, the nice thing is too, if you're, if you're here, you can, you can do arms. That's 15 minutes at most.

• 1:17:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  And then you do whatever you're doing. You do a podcast, that- Guy leaves, you knock out, you know, shoulders. You know what I'm saying? Like you could do it bits and pieces because the gym's right there. It doesn't require me to do anything to do it. So that was, that's, that's perfect. But I unfortunately don't have that. You don't even have three kids. So what the fuck's your excuse? It's just, I'm lazy, bro. I got lazy all of a sudden. I don't know. I need Andrew Tate to follow me around and yell at me and tell me, um, you're a loser, you know, and do something, you know, I do play his, uh,

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  You don't look fat. You definitely have lost some muscle, though. You have no idea. Listen, you know, and listen, like, you know, we used to, when we'd have sex, I'd turn the lights down for the mood. Now it's just to hide everything. It's, you know, it's horrible. Really? Yeah, you know, like I, I want to close my eyes during sex. It's not good. I got all kinds of stuff jiggling. All kinds of stuff. I got that arm thing that women get. Oh, yeah. The, the bat wing? How old are you? Yeah, I'm 56. I gotta start working out. I gotta lose weight and start working out. I just use all the excuses, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, oh, I got a podcast. We don't have time for this or all I got the, it would, we can, I, I use the podcast as an, as a, an excuse to get outside and work out and like eat well.

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  If I'm like, if I like before a podcast, I make sure I'm like outside, I do cardio or do like a little workout. And, and I need to do all of that. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm abs, I mean, I, I absolutely have to start doing that. Yes. Like, I started a diet yesterday and then today it's already gone. Are you still eating the Hungry Man's? It's already going bad. Lean Cuisine. Lean cuisines. Yeah, that's all I had yesterday was a Lean Cuisine and like maybe eight or nine olives. And then it was great. Then I wake up and I was like, that's great. And then this morning I woke up and I had maybe 20 olives and some, some pickle slices. Do you eat those Lean cuisines every day? Yeah, I like, well, when I'm dieting, I typically, that's, I'll, I'll try to eat like one meal a day.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  Maybe a snack, one, one or two small snack things, something silly, but in a Lean Cuisine and then I work out. Maybe I'll eat a, you know, like a white chicken, chicken breasts, you know, the can of white chicken breasts. You put a little mayo in there and eat it. You know, I'll do that, but the problem is, is that then I, then I eat it and I'm like, fuck, that's not enough. Next thing you know, I'm eating all kinds of little stuff and before you know it, I'm full and I'm like, did you just fill up on bullshit? Yeah, that's, that's my problem, dude. When I, when I get home from work. You don't have a problem. I just saw you take your shirt off to put on your health outfit and, You're chiseled.

• 1:20:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but I have a problem with snack. Like when I get home, I'm like, my kids are like, if they're eating dinner, I'll be like picking little pieces off their plate or like my wife will have like some chips and salsa laying on the counter or like some, my kids are eating Doritos. So there's a bag of Doritos in the kitchen and I'm just fucking hammering those Doritos while I'm cooking dinner or while I'm whatever I'm doing, like especially if I'm cooking dinner, I'm snacking like crazy. By the time I'm done cooking, I've eaten half a peanut butter and jelly, a handful of chocolate covered almonds, half of a bag of Doritos and I'm like, oh God, I feel like dog shit. I can't even fucking, I don't even have room in my stomach to finish the steak I just cooked. So yeah, that's a problem with my discipline is just like the, the snacking.

• 1:21:06Danny Jones?

  And uh, yeah, even though you can't tell, I can feel it. It's hard.

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Imagine how I feel.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  You need to start doing your podcasts on a, on a treadmill.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I need something. I need something. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna get back into it. I have to get back into it. I'm too old to, to get, to, I'm too old to get overweight. Yeah. And look at him. He's in.

• 1:21:29Danny Jones?

  He looks fucking phenomenal.

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  Right? Like I can't, I can't let it go. I can't, and this is another thing I always say to.

• 1:21:35Danny Jones?

  He does, he gets in the cold plunge every day and does a song and shit every day. He's like hardcore.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's insane. But I, the problem is, is like, I'll talk to Jess and Colby and stuff. I'm like, listen, like this thing has to, like at my age, I don't have a 20 year shelf life, right? Like nobody wants to watch a 60, 60, you know, in 10 years, you're 66 years old. Nobody's watching a 66 year old do a podcast.

• 1:22:00Danny Jones?

  Like you gotta look younger.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. I gotta be at least be in good shape. So people say, oh yeah, this guy's older, but he's in great shape and he takes care of himself and that something that they can say, wow, but at the rate I'm going now, they're gonna be, look at this fat fucking old man still trying to do a podcast.

• 1:22:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, bro. You gotta take care of yourself.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  They'll be like, how'd this guy get a million subscribers?

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  He's so old. That's what they're gonna say. He's an old fat man. He's got over a million subs because I'll be there in a couple of months.

• 1:22:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  But then it's gonna dwindle and then it'll just kind of, I'll hopefully can maintain the million subs and then, then all the views go off and, you know, I'm getting social security and I'm, I'm in the, living in a single wide with my, my old puppy.

• 1:22:37Danny Jones?

  Bro, you gotta balance the, the work life. You gotta, you gotta have a life too. You can't just be fucking making podcasts 24/7.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:22:45Danny Jones?

  That's why, that's when your health starts to decline.

• 1:22:47Speaker 03

  My guests don't show up. Not half, but it is about, we schedule like six podcasts, maybe seven podcasts a week to get three or four people to show up. They just, they don't make the plane or they, you know, somebody dies or they, they get sick or there's, I, listen, I had a guy the other day that was a nightmare guest and I should have known this because he was kind of a problem starting off and by the end of the, by the end of the whole thing, you know, it was, we'd put him up in a hotel that he kind of tricked me into getting and then he, then we had to get him another room or another hotel.

• 1:23:31Danny Jones?

  He tricked you into getting him a hotel?

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, at the last minute, he, he kind of didn't have the money and if he could just give him the money.

• 1:23:38Danny Jones?

  Such a fucking scam artist.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  And it was like, okay. And so we got, well, we paid for a hotel, we paid for his flight. And then he, at the last minute, he tried to cancel everything because he wanted his girlfriend to go unless I could pay for her. And I was like, well, I can't pay for her. I'm not paying for her. And then he was like, uh, um, I was like, I mean, somehow or another, I said, okay, I can get you another night at the hotel, but you have to pay for the flight. So she, he pays for the flight, but he paid for the flight. He pays for the flight with like a credit card that he knows, like a debit card that he knows his account doesn't have money in it. But the ticket goes through and he gets the ticket. And so she gets on the plane and gets the flight there, but then it reverses and now they canceled the ticket. And so now she's stuck in Tampa. He's like, oh, she's, and I'm not leaving without her.

• 1:24:22Speaker 03

  And he's in the hotel room that we got him. So we get him another hotel room because he's like, the next day, everything will be fine because this is gonna happen in this. The next day, he doesn't get the money he thinks he's gonna get. And now he's kind of stuck in Tampa and I'm going, what is like? And I'm sitting there going, this is not my responsibility. Like, none of this was my responsibility and I only helped him out because.

• 1:24:48Danny Jones?

  Well, are you, are you the person coordinating all this yourself?

• 1:24:51Speaker 03

  Yes, but it wasn't that his stuff didn't work. It was that his girlfriend who we brought with him.

• 1:24:56Danny Jones?

  Why don't you hire like somebody to like handle that stuff? Like handle the coordinating flights and hotels and all that.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Because all that's gonna happen is that person is gonna be calling me saying, listen, this guy said this, this guy said that. Because that's what's happening. Well, eventually what happened was I, I gave him, I forget, we sent him like a hundred bucks or 200 bucks. And I said, bro, don't call, don't contact me again. I said, you got nothing else coming. This is your problem. I told you not to bring your fucking girlfriend.

• 1:25:20Danny Jones?

  That's the nature of the people that you have on your show, though.

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:25:23Danny Jones?

  You have degenerates on your show.

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Or you'll get some guy on the show and, and he's telling a story and he's, and so, and you're sitting there like, what's? I'm looking at Colby, you know, my Steven, I'm looking at him and, and he's like, so what the fuck's going on? The guy's, he's all tweaking out and you're like, oh, this guy's on something like nobody's, what's happening here? And, you know, they're, they're, they're nuts and they'll, they'll be like, really, sometimes you'll get a guy, he's like, really like, he's like, he's starting to go down. He's like, hey, man, listen, I'm, I'm, I gotta go to the bathroom. And then he comes back from the bathroom. He's like, yeah, man, let's go. What's going on? Let's do it, let's do it. And I'm thinking, what, what hap, what, what did he find in the bathroom? Like, did he bring something with him in the bathroom? So, yeah, some of these guys are, are, you know?

• 1:26:10Danny Jones?

  Or they're argumentative. Doing blow in the bathroom in between takes.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  It's not everybody, but every once in a while, they just, you know, they can't find the fucking places. Like it's on Google Maps.

• 1:26:19Danny Jones?

  My favorite is when people come on the show and, uh, mostly they see like the, the writers, the academic types, like the younger ones. They're coming and their fucking pupils are like saucers. And you kind of, it's Adderall.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:26:31Danny Jones?

  These people are coming, they're like, they're like robots. Yes, and this is like how it works. And they're just explaining it. They're very robot. You can tell the way they they act robotic and their fucking pupils are just giant.

• 1:26:43Danny Jones?

  You can always tell. Adderall is not good for podcasts.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't, I don't. I just listen, I don't think any drugs are-

• 1:26:50Danny Jones?

  When Bubba came on, he was telling me that he has like a special concoction. He didn't want me to say it, but I said it anyways. He got mad. He's like, for every show he does in the morning, he takes like a little bit of an Adderall and like a weed gummy. And somehow the combination of the Adderall and the marijuana gummy like puts him in some sort of a pocket where he's like, he's a little bit, a little bit, a little bit loose.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:27:15Danny Jones?

  His mind's working on like another level, but he's also got that Adderall and fed it me and keeping him locked in like laser focus. He's like, it's like a, it's like a secret little combo cocktail he uses every day for a show.

• 1:27:27Danny Jones?

  He's a funny guy, man.

• 1:27:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, he is.

• 1:27:28Danny Jones?

  He is a fucking wild guy. He just, he just does not stop.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Who, I, I, listen, I had like, we've been sharing guests and-

• 1:27:37Danny Jones?

  You have?

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I forget, what was the guest's name was a, it was a guy who did the white, his name was Craig. He did the white speaker, white van speaker scam. And I had done one and I thought he was great.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  And it was probably a two hour podcast. And then I said, hey, and I said, Bubba, do you want to do this? This guy's really good. He'd be good for you. And I think Bubba did, they did like four hours or something. I mean, he was like, he said, man, he just kept asking questions and asking, he's like, it went on forever. Like in, so he's super inquisitive in his interview. And of course he talks too. So you got an hour, what should be an hour and a half, two hour podcast ends up being four hours.

• 1:28:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Bubba was trying to, he was trying to shame me. Because I don't shave my arms. He's like, why don't you shave your arms? I'm like, I'm not gonna fucking, why would I shave my arms? He's like, you got, you gotta shave your, I gotta shave everything. Shave your legs, shave your arms, shave your body. That's what the women like. And I'm like, no, Bubba, that's not what the women like. He's like, he's like, what about your, what about your, your balls? You shave your balls?

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  I don't want, it's, I don't want to have this conversation.

• 1:28:43Danny Jones?

  I'm like, I'm like, I trim it. He's like, mine's like a hardwood, hardwood floor, straight down to nothing, straight to the skin. I wanted to be like, Bubba, you know, the kind of people that shave their arms? The kind of people that let their best friend fuck their wives?

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Oh my-

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  You guys are.

• 1:28:59Danny Jones?

  I thought about that after the podcast, but I should have said that too.

• 1:29:06Speaker 03

  You guys are brutal. You're the second person I know that said that in the last day or two.

• 1:29:11Danny Jones?

  Said what? About shaving your arms?

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 1:29:13Danny Jones?

  About Bubba letting Hulk fuck his wife?

• 1:29:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I went to, we went to dinner with them, with Bubba and his girlfriend, and we went and played and went bowling with them.

• 1:29:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:27Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  I think Bubba beat me once or tw- I don't know, I think he might have beat us.

• 1:29:35Speaker 03

  And I don't think he's bowling. He hadn't, I think he was like, he hadn't bowled in, I forget, 20 years or something. I don't know.

• 1:29:39Danny Jones?

  Look at you, Matt Cox.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like going bowling. I'm not great at it, but I like going and it's fun to hang out with and Jess likes it and.

• 1:29:45Danny Jones?

  Do you ever play ping pong?

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:47Danny Jones?

  I got a ping pong table. You can play some ping pong if you want.

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  What about foosball? Do you have foosball? What about air hockey?

• 1:29:56Danny Jones?

  No. Foosball? You don't know foosball with the little soccer player? Yeah, I know it is. No, I don't typically play that. I don't go, typically those are only like bars, you know?

• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Danny Jones?

  I got, I got the ping pong table. We're gonna get a pool table.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm no good at pool, but I like playing.

• 1:30:08Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna get a golf simulator for that very far thing where you can hit the golf ball in there and you play golf.

• 1:30:13Speaker 03

  And it shows it go.

• 1:30:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then we got the half pipe. We can skate.

• 1:30:17Speaker 03

  What is going on? Like you're, you're building a, a, a Rob Derrick.

• 1:30:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, fantasy factory.

• 1:30:23Speaker 03

  Fantasy factory, but without his TV show.

• 1:30:25Danny Jones?

  This is what I've always wanted. I've always wanted a place like this. I could just do all the fun stuff I like, I enjoy.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  I would think you would, well, I don't know. I don't know. Cause I remember when you talked about building the gym, I was like, oh, he's opening a gym. Nah.

• 1:30:37Danny Jones?

  No, a personal gym.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Just building one for me. Like, okay, yeah.

• 1:30:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't want other people in here using my shit, getting it dirty. People won't take care of it, you know?

• 1:30:47Speaker 03

  Touching my things.

• 1:30:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, exactly, bro.

• 1:30:51Danny Jones?

  So you've been doing some research. You've been, you've been going deep on this Venezuela.

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  I haven't been going deep on the Venezuela. You told me that's what you said. I sent you a link about it. Yeah. And then you did a deep dive. Yeah. And I was like, I don't know anything about this really.

• 1:31:05Danny Jones?

  Trump's, Trump's going to war with Venezuela.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Danny Jones?

  We want to get rid of Maduro.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  I don't think he's gonna go to, I think he's just gonna, at some point, just bomb the living shit out of him, you know?

• 1:31:13Danny Jones?

  Well, he's been, he's been blowing the boats out of the water.

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I don't think, I'm, I'm saying, I don't think like there'll be probably troops on the ground. I mean, I could be wrong, but I watched a video and that's what they said. They said it was unlikely.

• 1:31:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Um, that he would move in troops, but they say, cause it's not his style, I guess, in the last administration and this administration, like he's, he's okay with like shooting, you know, Tomahawk missiles and blowing stuff up.

• 1:31:35Danny Jones?

  And fishing boats?

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, blowing up, blowing up stuff and doing strikes and stuff, but he's not really a troops on the ground person. He's trying to just, you know?

• 1:31:44Danny Jones?

  If he did do boots on the ground, would you support it?

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't.

• 1:31:52Danny Jones?

  Is there anything he can do you wouldn't support?

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  I mean, sure. I just don't know what it is, you know? I don't know what it is. Uh, cause so far like, I, I just don't, I just feel like it, there's so many things that just don't make sense to me and, and

• 1:32:08Danny Jones?

  None of it makes sense, dude.

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  That the country does that like, you know, like you, you, you've give hundreds of millions of dollars to countries that, that hate our guts, you know? You let people in that hate this country. You, you know, there's just all these things that, that these administrations do that it's like that, why would you do that? Like, why would you? I love the one that Marco Rubio, um, uh, uses where he says, like literally there are, we have refugees that, that like fled or, you know, immigrants that fled some country because they said they were being persecuted. They get, they get status here and then they go back the next year, five or 10 or 15 times on vacation to the same country that they said they're being persecuted from and they had to flee from. It's like, this is, this is ridiculous.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  Or you're, you're, you're, you worked your whole life and you're making $1,200 on your social security and then some, some immigrant comes here and they're making $2,500. And it's like, you know, because you're like, you know, these things don't make sense. There's so many things just don't make sense.

• 1:33:09Danny Jones?

  And then Trump just pardoned. The, what was the country that he just, he just pardoned in the former president of Honduras?

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  Honduras.

• 1:33:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, who was a huge narco trafficker. He was in business with El Chapo. I mean, he was flooding in hundreds of millions of dollars in cocaine to the United States and he just, Trump just pardoned him.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  And I'm not, and that, that's another thing is that like, and then.

• 1:33:31Danny Jones?

  Like where, I don't understand. I don't get it. I'm not smart enough to understand this stuff.

• 1:33:34Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I understand it because like, that's not true. So I watched a video on his, that his lawyer did, and I watched a video.

• 1:33:41Danny Jones?

  Trump's lawyer?

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  No, no, that the, the, the former Honduras president that was just, that was just.

• 1:33:48Danny Jones?

  Juan Orlando Hernandez.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  Right. So do you know what the evidence against him was?

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  There were three, uh, three.

• 1:33:59Danny Jones?

  He was sentenced to forty something years in prison.

• 1:34:01Speaker 03

  There were three traffickers that testified, that had already gotten life sentences, that testified at his trial that said, I paid him this many millions of dollars to, to, you know, look the other way. Or I paid him this much money to launder money. I paid him this much to use airspace or move drugs through. So there's three guys that you get that come on the stand and then there's some documentation that they, they, nobody can tell where the documents come from. Nobody in the, in the court and very few. And they said it was, it was essentially, the lawyer said, that was essentially what the case was. Three people on the stand and some documents that should have never been allowed in. But it was the only thing the government had and they gave him forty five years.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  And so there's nothing that shows that he is a narco guilty or anything, but the Biden administration wanted him removed. And now, why would Trump, here, the big question is, yeah, but, but why would Trump, like, is Trump concerned about this guy being railroaded? Maybe not.

• 1:35:05Danny Jones?

  What does, but why does Trump care about this guy?

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  Why does he give a shit? Where's Honduras? It's in South America, right? Right. We're going, if we're, if we do end up going to war with Venezuela, wouldn't it be nice to have one of their neighbors on our side? Do you see what I mean? Like, and, and You think it's like a chess move? It is because in Honduras, the bulk of the population believed that this guy was railroaded. Like, he was railroaded by the Biden administration. So, so he's saying, I pardon him. Right. There's an election coming up, so that sways the election to go with the conservative, the people that the administration's backing, and this guy can then possibly go back. Maybe he becomes president. Maybe the new president is, of course, he's not hostile to us because the current president

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  is, and the guy who's running is, is hostile to us. So, one, we, look, you guys think he got railroaded by the United States? Well, guess what? I just pardoned him. And two, we can always send him back. Not, you can't right now because the current, the current government is hostile to him. But they're having an election and we're hoping it sways the election because he's kind of like letting, and it's also, it's also a, a sign to Venezuela saying, look, we can be friends. Like, look what we just did. We let this guy out. This election's about to happen. These guys become, the, the party that we're backing becomes president. Like, we can all be friends, but get rid of the president, uh, what's his name? Mon, Mon? Maduro? Maduro. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, get rid of, uh, was it Nicolas Maduro?

• 1:36:37Speaker 03

  Maduro? I can never say Maduro. I'm not good with these names. Yeah. Um, yeah, Nicolas, get rid of your current president, Maduro. Like, get rid of him. We can all be good. You just gotta get, because really, he just wants to get rid of him. And also, it's probably about fuel, right? It's probably about gas also. No, it's not about, it's not about that. Can't be. It's about, it's about drugs. We don't want drugs in the United States. I don't have a problem, even if it was, I don't have a problem, it, it's with it being about, uh, about gas. And I don't have a problem with that. Like, everybody's always like, you know, we're bullying this, we're, we give people too much money. These people hate our guts. We, we, we give hundreds of millions, billions of dollars. The people of those countries hate our guts? I don't know. I think a lot of them do hate our guts. Why do you think they hate us?

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  Well, because the governments push that, it's the agenda of that we're horrible and if you're poor, why it's because of the United States. We made it, why is it the United States? Oh, the United States, you know, like, everybody in North Korea, they all hate our guts. They love, you know, their president. They hate us. Because they're pushing the agenda that America is this evil person and the reason, or this evil empire. And if you don't have anything, it's, they blame it on America. It's sanctions. It's this. It's that. It's these countries, that's just, it's like what they do. And then, and if you help them, as soon as they get here, like all the Muslims that they let in, like all the, like the Somalis and all these Muslims that they let in, they come in and they want to change everything.

• 1:38:04Speaker 03

  And as soon as they change it, they hate the United States and they immediately want to, oh, it's going to be Sharia law and we're gonna, we're gonna build a mosque everywhere. We're gonna pray five times a day and we're gonna shut down traffic and we're gonna, like, what is happening? You're turning this into the same shit hole country you fled from. They're not smart. I just don't understand. Why let anybody in? Why give anybody any money until we have no debt and only give people that support our country? Why? Like, it doesn't make sense. So the things that Trump are doing makes sense because I feel like it's for the betterment of our country. We're just gonna get, you know, in Ukraine, we're the ones giving all the money to Ukraine.

• 1:38:48Speaker 03

  Not all the money, but we give money to Ukraine for the fight. But everybody else that gives them money and all the European countries, it's a loan. So you're gonna pay them back, but you're not gonna pay us back. Yeah, come on. Like, what are we doing?

• 1:39:02Danny Jones?

  Right. I mean, this is the whole thing Trump ran on was ending these pointless forever wars.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. Whenever, like, I'll say stuff about, I'll go, eh, sometimes he says stupid things. And, and when I say, when I say that, it's not because I don't like Trump. It's because like, where he's like, oh, I'll have that war, the first day, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be, like, what? Like, that's stupid. Don't say that. You see, that's when I'm, whenever I'm, because people will be like, oh, you, you don't like Trump? Or you think he's, he says stupid things? Yeah, like, that's a stupid thing. Like, come on, man. You don't know you can do it in a day.

• 1:39:33Danny Jones?

  The stupidest thing to me is how, I just think it's silly how people like to base their whole identity off of a president, off of the current president, or off of any certain, off any politician.

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:39:46Danny Jones?

  Right? Like, it's so stupid that even that's binary. It's left and right. And people want to like... Their whole character is based on their political, their political figure that they support, whether it be Biden or whether it be Trump or Kamala or whatever.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 1:39:59Danny Jones?

  It's so dumb and it doesn't matter what those people do, they'll fucking support it.

• 1:40:03Speaker 03

  They'll support anything.

• 1:40:04Danny Jones?

  They'll support anything they do.

• 1:40:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I get it. And I don't think I'm that person because I, but I, I don't know what the policies are yet that I don't support. Does that make, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, I hear what you're saying because you, because you were calling, is there anything he could do that would, you wouldn't support? It's like, I'm sure there are. I just haven't had one yet, you know?

• 1:40:26Danny Jones?

  The blowing, blowing the fishing boats out of the waters seems weird to me because I've had a, I've had a lawyer in here that I'm friends with who, uh, he actually represented a guy. I don't know if I've told you this story before. He, he represented a guy, a Colombian guy, probably 15 years ago, who was a captain of a cargo ship that was, uh, transporting cargo from Colombia to Tampa. And he was hijacked by the cartel. The cartel boarded his ship. Basically they put a gun in his face and said, we're going to kill you and your whole family if you don't smuggle these drugs into the port of Tampa.

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:40:59Danny Jones?

  So obviously he did it. Got to Tampa and he got sentenced to like, he was like facing two life sentences or whatever. And my friend, the lawyer represented him for free, pro bono. He was up, he was like his appointed lawyer. This is what started his whole like career. Um, got him off scot-free. He walked and he, and this lawyer let him live in his, in his house during this whole trial.

• 1:41:21Speaker 03

  He was found guilty.

• 1:41:22Danny Jones?

  No, he was found innocent. They got him off. But that's the point is that now, now he gets hired by like heads of cartels and criminal organizations in South America to help them. Like they pay him tons of money to fly down and meet with them in hotels in some Ritz Carlton in like fucking Mexico City or something like that. And, uh, None of these guys ever get in trouble. The guys that are at the top of these drug organizations, these cartels, no one ever touches them. It's the poor people of those countries who are trying to make a buck to feed their families to either manufacture the drugs or smuggle the drugs or drive those fishing boats. Those guys are expendable pawns, right? So what is blowing those boats out of the water gonna do?

• 1:42:08Danny Jones?

  Like you're

• 1:42:08Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think, well, one, it is stopping whatever was on there. Whatever, whatever drugs were on there.

• 1:42:13Danny Jones?

  Right, but you're gonna blow them up with a fucking hundred thousand dollar missile?

• 1:42:16Speaker 03

  It's sending a message that here's my problem with, with the, the only problem I have with that whole, you know, that, that whole blowing these boats out.

• 1:42:25Danny Jones?

  Theater.

• 1:42:26Speaker 03

  I, I think it is, but Trump is huge on, on, you know, saying shocking things, on doing shocking things, right? Which, you know, doesn't seem extremely, sometimes it, it doesn't, he doesn't come off polished and presidential, but I can't say

• 1:42:44Danny Jones?

  I think people like that.

• 1:42:45Speaker 03

  But I like it. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like, I, but I like it. Like, I get it.

• 1:42:50Danny Jones?

  But there's a difference between that and then blowing up fishing boats with poor fishermen on it. They're trying to make a, you know, like

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  Well, I don't think they're poor fishermen, but I

• 1:42:58Danny Jones?

  You don't think they're poor fishermen? You think those are rich people that are driving those fucking boats?

• 1:43:01Speaker 03

  No, I, I think that they're just people that work for the cartel. I don't think that they, there was all people that are fishermen, they suck a gun to, because fishermen don't drive those boats anyway. And these are cartel people that are, these are smugglers. These are guys that are captains of boats and they know they're working for the cartel. Now, is, are the cartel sticking a gun to their, to their head and saying, go, you're gonna drive this boat? Maybe, but we don't know. We, you don't know that that's what's happening and I don't know that these aren't guys that are ingrained members of the cartel. So what I'm saying is, my problem with that whole thing is that you, to me, it's like, you are either need to be all in on the cartel, which means all out war in Mexico,

• 1:43:40Speaker 03

  in, in Columbia, in Venezuela, all of them going like, let's just start knocking them out. Just like you would in Afghanistan and in Iraq and Iran and all those places, do the same thing. You know, or then just keep the status quo. You either do that or you say, hey, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna come up with, look, marijuana is essentially legal. Then we're going to come up with some kind of a version of marijuana. We're going to make it much cheaper than it is because if you, even if you get a medical marijuana license, I think it's still pretty expensive. Like I, that's what I'm told. Uh, I don't smoke, so, but I'm saying that people, because I'm like, well, it's super cheap now. They're like, no, it's not. Like, I know guys are still buying it, like, from drug dealers because

• 1:44:25Speaker 03

  it's cheaper for the drug dealer than it is there. I'm like, are you serious? Yeah. Because I thought it would be worth, would be down to almost nothing, but apparently it's not. So it's that. And then I do the same thing for basically drugs, for hardcore core drugs, kind of like, kind of like Amsterdam, right? But not that, because there's lots of stuff that's not legal in Amsterdam. But I'm saying, Well, if you legalize it, the cartels wouldn't be able to monetize it anymore. That's what I'm saying. You just took away their power. So why not do that? Make it extremely affordable, tax it, and then take the money from the taxes and dump it into rehab so that, look, if you have, you can do this, just like you can drink. You can drink and it's inexpensive, but if you feel like you have a problem, we have a free rehab. You can go to free rehabs and we can let a ton of people out of prisons. You could

• 1:45:10Speaker 03

  cut the prison population by 80%. Well, let's say 70%. 70% and we can take that, those, that money and dump it in there too. Like, it's one or the other. Go all out and clean these places out, or go completely legit and have the pharmaceutical companies be able to monitor it and set the prices for them so they don't gouge everybody and keep the cartels in business. You can run the cartels out one of two ways. One is brutal. Are innocent people going to get killed? Absolutely. You start indiscriminately bombing cartel areas, it's going to be bad. Some innocent people that, some guy who's trying to feed his family and he's moving stuff for the cartel, is he going to get his house bombed? Yes, it is.

• 1:45:53Speaker 03

  That's going to happen. But it's the same thing in Afghanistan. They're bombing, you know, funerals and weddings and anyplace they think these guys are. And they're saying, hey, you're collateral damage. If you invited, you know, you invited a terrorist, If there's a terrorist, if there's a terrorist in a hotel, they're willing to blow up the hotel. Yeah, like, but if, so like, you're, they're okay with that. But oh no, but we're friends with Mexico. Like Mexico, like all of the parties in Mexico are backed by cartels. Right. Like the cartels are ingrained in that. It's it's an entire court. The only reason it's surviving is because if we went in and cleaned it out, we'd have to take over their problems. Like it would be a massive undertaking.

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  It would cost trillions of dollars. And it's like, like they're hoping like, can't we just? We have to take care of whose problems? If we went into Mexico and said, we're just gonna take the country over. Cause it's so massive. The cartels are everywhere. And so let's say we want, because we have to get rid of the entire infrastructure of the government. We have to start over from scratch. That's the only way to do it. And if you went in and said, this is what we're gonna do. Then if you did that, then you have to take it over. You have to go in and run. It's a massive country. You'd have to go in like, could we even possibly do that? Or do you go in slowly? You take over, but you leave everybody in place?

• 1:47:11Speaker 03

  And you slowly replace those people. And in the meantime, you're, you'd have to basically go get anybody with a fucking tattoo and throw them into prison like they did in, shit, where do they do that? Where they have the the massive hundred, hundred thousand man prison, they? Oh, oh, oh, yeah. That's where Jack, that's where Jack throughs it. El Salvador. Yeah. Like, that's what you'd have to do in Mexico. But and and Americans don't have the stomach for it. So, so that's why I'm saying it's a half-assed measure to do it. Let's just bomb the boats. And but what it's doing is it's, he's trying to send them. It's a spectacle. He's trying to send a message. He's trying to get the the president or to be overthrown. He's got a hundred. They have 50 million on this guy's head. That's double what they had on Osama bin Laden.

• 1:47:57Speaker 03

  And they've got, really, it's a hundred million dollars. He's got, it's like him. And then like, the guy underneath him's got like 25 million. And the guy under, then they got another guy who's got 10, one that's got 50. The total, it's a hundred million dollars on this, on the upper echelon that's running Venezuela right now. So he's hoping that the military themselves will will do the job for him and and do some kind of a coup. And let's all get, you know, and get behind the US. Let's overthrow this communist government.

• 1:48:26Danny Jones?

  That's what he's hoping, but it's not working. They're uncomfortable. But I don't know. Do you have to put boots on the ground to do that? Like Americans like? And what? Why do we really want to do it? Because we know it's not about drugs. We know it's not. It's about money. It's always.

• 1:48:41Speaker 03

  It's gotta be about oil, right? And keep in mind too, that Marco Rubio, like he, why can't I say this guy's name?

• 1:48:50Danny Jones?

  Marco Rubio.

• 1:48:51Speaker 03

  Rubio?

• 1:48:53Danny Jones?

  Rubio.

• 1:48:54Speaker 03

  Gosh, I want to say Mark, Marco Rubio, you know, like his parents were from Cuba. He does not like communism. He does not like what's going on there. Like he would love to eradicate it. And here's the problem. I agree. I don't want communism or socialism anywhere in the hemisphere. Really anywhere in the world, but at least in North, in North America, Central America and South America. And the American continents, I do not want there to be, I don't want them even close. I think you eradicate all of them.

• 1:49:25Danny Jones?

  With your tax dollars.

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  Sure. Why not? I mean, gasoline and bombs and it's cheap. It's not hard to get rid of these guys. I mean.

• 1:49:32Danny Jones?

  Why not just put that? Why not put that money towards like giving healthcare to combat veterans? Or getting homeless people off the streets. I mean, just to walk into like the White House or the Capitol building. You're walking over fucking drug addicts with needles hanging out of their arms. Like, why not clean up the fucking country first instead of worrying about some other country's fucking communist government?

• 1:49:50Speaker 03

  Well, because I, I think that that's what ultimately happens is that you don't worry about it. And they just keep spreading and spreading and spreading. Before you know it, they're, the enemies are at the gate, you know? Like before you know it, there, there's communism has.

• 1:50:03Danny Jones?

  Bro, we got nukes. We got nukes.

• 1:50:06Speaker 03

  I understand, but I mean, let's face it. I don't know any, I don't, I mean, I don't. How many times did Putin threaten nuclear, uh, to use nukes? Oh, like nobody's using them. It's, it's just, it's a.

• 1:50:16Danny Jones?

  Here's what Bustamante said about that. Bustamante thinks that there's another nuke detonated. It's going to be by some like rogue group, like maybe a cartel.

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:24Danny Jones?

  I think it's totally possible that cartels could have got some nuke from when the Soviet Union fell or some like underground black market nuke.

• 1:50:31Speaker 03

  They have to be, I don't know. The car, I was gonna say it'd have to be more sophisticated than the cartel. But to be honest, they have so much.

• 1:50:36Danny Jones?

  The cartels are pretty fucking sophisticated.

• 1:50:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I was gonna say, and they'll, and even if they're not sophisticated, they'll hire someone who's sophisticated.

• 1:50:42Danny Jones?

  Well, they already got their hands like Israeli spyware that the, they got like the Mexican government got some sort of like spyware from the Israel Israelis that they're using to like track bad guys and the cartel is basically paying the cops to get their hands on it. I had a guy come on the show who was showing me how it worked. He got in with a guy at the cartel that was showing him, all they have to do is type in your phone number. They can go right into your phone, look through everything on your phone and find out, geolocate exactly where you are at all times. Like they, they got their shit together.

• 1:51:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:10Danny Jones?

  And they got some of the most high-tech weaponry, drones and shit like that. Who knows if they have a nuke? And if anyone was gonna use it, I mean, they're the ones that aren't worried about like fucking mutually assured destruction. Because, because if they do, they didn't do.

• 1:51:24Speaker 03

  That's part of the problem. They're not worried.

• 1:51:25Danny Jones?

  How do you attribute it? Like if they were to like fucking put a nuke in the back of a truck and detonate it, like, like you don't know, how do you know where it came from?

• 1:51:33Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, first of all, when nuclear weapons go off, they can tell where the uranium came from. They can actually tell exactly where it was mined because it gives off a certain signal.

• 1:51:42Danny Jones?

  Right, but it could have been one, it could have been one that came from Russia, you know, fifteen, twenty years ago.

• 1:51:47Speaker 03

  They could look at, listen, it could be, it could be material that we gave Israel that supposedly during the six-day war, at one point, there was a nuclear weapon that was actually lost, right? Like a broken arrow that was actually lost. That's, it's, it's a, it's a theory. Um, so.

• 1:52:02Danny Jones?

  I'm sure there's a lot of them that got lost.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Could you imagine? Like the, the nuke that goes off is actually one of ours. It was actually, it was actually mined in, you know, Utah. You're like, now what do you do?

• 1:52:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:12Speaker 03

  But I mean, I think they would backtrack the whole thing at some point. They'd realize, okay, we think that this cartel here got it and this, and they're sending a message and they would be like, to set it off and not let people know, backup, this is why this just happened. Isn't it like, now you're just blowing it up for what reason? Oh, uh, because we got our hands on it? Like, you weren't sending a message? Why did you? So they, they wanna send the message. So you're gonna figure out eventually who set it off. That's what I'm just saying, like, just go into Mexico and absorb the entire economy and strip, and slowly take, just take over the government. Slowly strip all these corrupt people out of it and and and you can eradicate lock up all the cartel. Turn Mexico into America?

• 1:52:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. Why can't it be? Why can't you add it? It'd be it'd probably be about how many states are in Mexico? Mexico's made up of they're actually made up of states. It's like there's like 10 or 12 states. I don't know. That's a good question. So you'd be adding 12 more states. Hmm. And take Alberta. Let's take Alberta. They got a bunch of gas, too. Yeah. Let's take Alberta. Canada can't do anything about it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm saying, you've got these these. 31 states, Mexico. 31. Wow. So you'd just be adding 31 states and you'd have to do you'd have to slowly go into the government and eliminate people. You can't just kick fire the whole government because let's face it, the garbage men will stop picking up the garbage.

• 1:53:33Speaker 03

  So you have to go in slowly. The problem is if you absorb Mexico's economy, it would really hurt our economy initially. Ultimately, I think you'd you'd end up basically with what we have right now, which is you'd have kind of like your own. You know, the Mexicans that come over here that work in all the fields that work for essentially slave labor, right? That's what you'd end up having a whole kind of almost a whole underclass, which is what you have anyway. But I think you'd get rid of. Well, we like that, too. We like having that labor. Right. But I think what happens is you you get that, but you could you would at least be in a position to start eliminating the cartel. And if you made drugs legal here and taxed them, then it's like, hey, you get to you could do drugs.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  And if you have an issue, Wilson, you can go to rehab. Like, you'd have a an influx of money. Mm hmm. So that's what I think. And I'm basing this on my vast knowledge of nothing, like I just feel kind of, you know. But but look at the whole tariff situation with Trump. They're bringing in tons of money. Every, oh, it's gonna bankrupt. It's gonna cause inflation. Well, inflation's going down. The job market's going up. We're bringing in. Trillions of dollars, you know, like it's working and why not do that? Why not squeeze all these countries out there that hate our guts? They hate our guts. You hate me and yet I'm giving you money and I'm allowing you to sell your products here. You don't buy any of my products.

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  Like I want manufacturing in the United States. And, and if you know what? And if, if some kids in China have to go hungry for that to happen, I'm okay with that. Cause they're not Americans. They're not concerned about us. Every time they have a natural disaster, we come to your aid. We give you money. We just give them money. They don't have to pay us back. We are ready to help you. Nobody helps us. Nobody's ever given a dime to the Americans. None of these people care about us, but we're supposed to care about them. I don't care about you. I don't. Right. I'll care about all of Mexico, the moment they, those 31 states get added to our current 50. And I want Alberta. Right. So you see what I'm saying?

• 1:55:40Speaker 03

  Like you do that and, and, and Puerto Rico, come on, let's either let them, make them a state or kick them, you kick them loose. But you go through, you probably have to really go through and, and it, it has to be, there has to be something, some system put in place where it's like, hey, if you get, you get found that you're, you're corrupt. You're a corrupt politician. Listen, I think there should be, there should be. They're all corrupt. I know, but there should be a whole different, there should be a whole different division of the government of law and federal law enforcement that go, that, the FBI was actually formed to go after corruption. So let's go ahead and have the FBI start systematically going through and, and looking

• 1:56:24Speaker 03

  for corruption and lock these people and not, not two years in a, in a club fed camp somewhere. Now you get found. You get found guilty of corruption. It's a horrific sentence.

• 1:56:36Danny Jones?

  Well, how do you do that when everybody's guilty of corruption, including the people in the FBI?

• 1:56:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's it's a problem. It's not. It's not a perfect system. I mean, it would. It would take some.

• 1:56:44Danny Jones?

  I mean, everybody's taking money from foreign governments. Everyone's taking money from various corporate interest groups.

• 1:56:49Speaker 03

  That has to be illegal. And then the statute of limitations can't be like, oh, it's three years. Yeah, that but that was five years ago. No, fuck that. It's 15 or 20 years.

• 1:56:57Danny Jones?

  These are the people that make the laws who are like getting paid and also probably have blackmail on them from foreign countries.

• 1:57:02Speaker 03

  You need to.

• 1:57:02Danny Jones?

  We're so infiltrated by.

• 1:57:04Speaker 03

  You need an old fashioned military coup.

• 1:57:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:06Speaker 03

  And you need to start executing people on the on the in front of the White House. You line up and start executing. And that's where the system breaks down. Like people like people don't have the they don't. What was the is it the Mao quote? Uh, is it Mao or I think also it's it's attributed to Lenin, but where it's um. True political change comes out of the barrel of a gun.

• 1:57:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:57:26Speaker 03

  Right. Who is it Mao? I always thought it was. I've heard Lenin. I've heard Mao. Anyway.

• 1:57:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  The point is, is that, you know, that's kind of a problem. And it's so every it is like, and I never believed this growing up. But it is. It's so you would hear about some guy getting found.

• 1:57:42Danny Jones?

  It was Mao. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

• 1:57:45Speaker 03

  Like you, growing up, every once in a while, some guy would get convicted of some politician would be found guilty of corruption. And it'd always be blatant, right? Like when I grew up. And now it's like it's subtle everywhere and it's not $5,000. It's. You went in as a senator making $250,000 and you left office five years later worth 40 million.

• 1:58:08Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. You see the latest shit with Marjorie Taylor Greene? Trump basically like forced her out.

• 1:58:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. He's upset with her. I don't even know why.

• 1:58:15Danny Jones?

  Because she's going hard on the Epstein files.

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. So why? What is happening with the Epstein? Are they going to release these things?

• 1:58:21Danny Jones?

  They said they are. They they voted, right? There was a vote two weeks ago. Uh, to really to to do it. And I guess only one person voted against it.

• 1:58:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:58:32Danny Jones?

  And Marjorie Taylor Greene and um. And Massey, Thomas Massey, were one of the big, the two big folk people that were pushing to get them released. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor of releasing the Epstein files.

• 1:58:48Speaker 03

  427 to one.

• 1:58:49Danny Jones?

  The final tally. Imagine being that one.

• 1:58:50Speaker 03

  Who's that guy?

• 1:58:51Danny Jones?

  Imagine being that guy. Who was he? That's a bad look, bro.

• 1:58:59Danny Jones?

  I think. But like, like, here's the, here's the funny thing. And I was thinking about this the, the other day. Like, look at Cash Patel, right? There's all these podcasts that he was going on before he was the head of the FBI, talking about, we gotta release the Epstein files. It's so corrupt. We gotta do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, that's the first thing I'm gonna do when I get in, right? Him and the other guy, Bongino. The moment he gets in, it's like, Epstein was not blackmailing anybody. There are new Epstein files. It was nothing. And then he goes in front of Congress the other day, and they, they're asking him questions about, I saw a clip. They were asking Cash Patel questions about a specific guy who's a podcaster. They're like, do you know this guy's name? John, whatever his name was? And Cash is like, no, I've never heard of that guy in my life. I don't know who that is.

• 1:59:44Danny Jones?

  And then they show him on his podcast. Meanwhile, he's been on the guy's podcast six or seven times. Oh, okay. So like. Why would you say that, though? Like, I mean. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Once you start lying about stuff, and you're, you have to lie about so many things, it becomes impossible to keep track of all the lies. So it's just easier to lie about everything. Right? Like, it, it becomes such a toll to memorize what's real, or, like, you know what's real, what's not a lie, but what's a lie, but like, you can't remember all the lies that you've already told. So like, maybe it just becomes easier just to fucking lie about everything. And that's how you get exposed, especially in today's day and age with social media and being able to like, go back and pull receipts of shit.

• 2:00:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, why lie at all? You have to. Like, that's the thing. Like, of course he's lying about stuff. He went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said, there's no Epstein files. There's nothing. Right? And now they're coming out. And now they're in Congress saying, we got the Epstein files. So what happened? I thought there were no Epstein files a month ago. So it's just like, we forget, they forget about the lies, they forget about the lies. Now it's the new norm. There are Epstein files. Now we're gonna release them. When meanwhile, a month ago, the head of the FBI was saying, they didn't fucking exist. Okay, well, look, the thing about the, and, and I agree, like, just release them. But.

• 2:00:57Speaker 03

  I don't really like unless you can say this person flew to the island and had sex with this woman and they've talked to all these girls. It's not like they're saying, hey, you know, this Senator, this guy, this guy, like these guys, like they've, they've been interviewed, right? So you're saying those interviews haven't been released? Like to me, like one, I believe they should be released, but two, it's like if some guy was a friend of Epstein, like, I don't care if he was a, he doesn't, he's a fine answer. You could have, you could have some sex slave in your basement right now. We don't really have basements in Florida, but let's say we did. Let's say you, let's say you had one, you got a warehouse now, maybe you've got a room and you got some sex slave in there. And, you know, and then

• 2:01:40Speaker 03

  there's photograph, you get caught and there's, and they start coming after me. You were on his podcast 12 times. You, it's like, I, I didn't know that he had a dungeon. Like, what are you talking about? You went to lunch with him. So that's what bothers me. It's like, how am I supposed to know that? You know, there's 140 phone calls between you and Danny. It's like, I don't know that side of Danny.

• 2:02:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course, there's going to be a lot of that collateral damage with people that were, of course, there were lots of people that went to his island that knew him that weren't guilty of anything, right? But there are, like, for example, there was that woman, find out who she was, in that congressional hearing, the black woman, I don't know if she was a Senator or Congressman or whatever.

• 2:02:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. She's receiving.

• 2:02:24Danny Jones?

  She was texting him live in the middle of the conference. She's getting texts from Epstein and the transcripts of them all came out and he was like trying to dictate, like he was trying to push through some fucking law. These people, the Epstein stuff is exposing like this other dimension that we aren't aware of.

• 2:02:42Speaker 03

  These filthy rich people that are pulling strings.

• 2:02:45Danny Jones?

  Exactly. They're pulling strings. It's like, we can see on the news, the politicians that are running around doing, pulling their strings, doing whatever they do. We think that's the top. We think that's the ceiling. But really, there's a whole nother dimension above all that. And this Epstein stuff is a portal to all that. There was this article that came out and it was part of the Epstein files that got declassified where it released emails of Epstein and he's having conversations with the Houd Barak, the former prime, former Prime Minister. I think it was the Defense Minister of Israel emailing back and forth with Epstein, talking about this country in Africa that was going through a civil war, right? And Epstein's just casually emailing Ahud Barak saying, "Looks like we can make some money off this. What do you think?" It's like, "Yeah, I think we could monetize this, but it's not going to be easy."

• 2:03:30Danny Jones?

  Like, this is what these people do. They figure out how to monetize civil wars in fucking third-world countries. So like, those are the people.

• 2:03:38Speaker 03

  You're selling weapons to both sides.

• 2:03:39Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Like, that's the kind of...

• 2:03:41Speaker 03

  It doesn't mean anything.

• 2:03:41Danny Jones?

  That's the way the world really works, right?

• 2:03:43Speaker 03

  Well, not at our, not at our level.

• 2:03:45Danny Jones?

  The government...

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  Maybe at another level.

• 2:03:46Danny Jones?

  Right. The government is just a facade. The government is like, these people control the government. These people blackmail and fund the people that we think are really in charge. And we're a, we're a layer below them. We're just trying to live our lives and make sense of all of it.

• 2:04:00Speaker 03

  I, I think that there's, there's, that's probably, that's probably partially true. Like, I still believe there are elections. Do I believe if it, like, if it's an overwhelming majority where somebody's, you know, wins the election, I, I don't know that the,

• 2:04:14Speaker 03

  I don't know that the system is there to sway that election, but you may sway a little bit here, a little bit there. But I, I think that you, I think that there's a certain layer that is kind of running things. But I do think they are, a lot of them, not all, but a lot of them are beholden to probably the ultra-rich that are up here.

• 2:04:34Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:04:34Speaker 03

  You know, and, you know, it's, I don't know, it's, I think it's like, I think it's like taxes, you know? Like, the bulk of taxes are paid by, like, you know, the rich, right? Like, they pay a, a chunk of the taxes.

• 2:04:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:48Speaker 03

  Um, it, you know, and some people are just never happy. Like, what, what's the person that's given like the $6.8 billion or something to fund 25 million savings accounts for kids?

• 2:05:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is the Dell people? I sent you this? I mean... Find the video of the Dell, the Dell founder and his wife talking about this savings account thing. She looks like a robot. She looks like she had her eyelids surgically removed. She looks like a ventriloquist dummy puppet.

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Okay, but, um...

• 2:05:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know what that was all about.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  I haven't seen the video.

• 2:05:27Danny Jones?

  They're standing, they're standing next to Trump talking about it.

• 2:05:30Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 2:05:30Danny Jones?

  Did you see that woman?

• 2:05:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, there she is.

• 2:05:33Danny Jones?

  Doesn't she look like his puppet? Like, the wooden puppet? What's the name of that guy? Like, the Tommy guy? What's the Tommy guy's podcast you do?

• 2:05:40Speaker 03

  Tommy Knightley. Yeah, yeah, she's she's had a lot of work.

• 2:05:45Danny Jones?

  So people are saying on Twitter that she's a robot, that his real wife died and that she's just a an AI, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, like, what are we doing? So Michael, Michael and Susan Dell commit 6.25 billion for investment accounts for kids. So they're giving them all 250 bucks. Is that what it is?

• 2:06:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, what what's funny is I was reading other than the fact that

• 2:06:07Danny Jones?

  Do you think these people got a bunker?

• 2:06:08Speaker 03

  I think they have a bunker. I think she's had too much botox and she's probably kind of like a Stetson wife. She's probably really, really got a lot of, she's on a lot of antidepressants. The look, it's very, you know, it's it's very kind of fake looking, but, you know, I feel bad for women, right? Like they, some of them, they get so upset when they start getting wrinkles. The next thing you know, they're doing surgery after surgery after surgery and getting injections. And before you know it, you're just like, God, you look like a plastic doll.

• 2:06:34Danny Jones?

  I mean, she probably knows her husband's fucking a bunch of other young women and getting paid. She like he's got, he's got a revolving door of prostitutes.

• 2:06:41Speaker 03

  I don't know. But here's what kills me. If you read the, when I read the, in the comments section I was reading, because I'm less interested in making fun of her, and there were, there were tons of people in there that was saying, like, oh, we're, we're saying that these people are wonderful when they're rich people that don't pay their fairish taxes, and now they're giving their taxes to rich kids, and we're supposed to think that they're wonderful. And it was just like, it was like, like, are, they don't have to give anything. Like, these people are doing something, and you're bitching about it. Like, there are people that were bitching about it.

• 2:07:21Danny Jones?

  People love to bitch on the internet.

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  Right. I mean, they love to make fun of people. They don't want to be made fun of, but they love to make fun of people. And then it's like, if the, if a rich person does anything, then they they attack them. And it's like, I don't have to give you shit. I already paid my taxes on this money. And it's my, it's like, people constantly, if Elon Musk would, he could do this, and he could do this, go fuck yourself. It's it's so easy to make money. Go make a fucking trillion dollars, and you can do whatever you want with it, but don't tell me what I can do. Yeah. So it, it's just funny, like, you're just not, nobody, this is not happy. I don't know why people aren't happy.

• 2:07:56Danny Jones?

  People aren't happy, man.

• 2:07:57Speaker 03

  I'm very happy.

• 2:07:58Danny Jones?

  People aren't people, a lot of people don't have fucking money like this, this, this country is like boy, like the most amount of money that's made in this country, isn't it like Wall Street people and bankers? Like there's no like you made, like there's no manufacturing, there's no, there's no trades anymore. It's YouTubers, bankers and Uber drivers.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  But listen, like when you say nobody's happy, by the way, when I got out of the halfway house and I was living in, in the rooming house for 18 months, totally happy. I've been happy since I, listen, if everybody went to jail for two or three years and got out, they realized like, hey, it's pretty good out here.

• 2:08:34Danny Jones?

  How about your boy Bannon?

• 2:08:35Speaker 03

  Things are good.

• 2:08:36Danny Jones?

  You still hanging out with your boy Bannon?

• 2:08:38Speaker 03

  No, what happened with home title lock is they, they, you know, they, they're kind of, they rotate the spokespeople, right? Like not, not rotate, like they get rid of them. Like I still do stuff for, for them. But they bring in new people all the time. They're, you know, they try, first you can't, I can't go on Bannon four times a month without people getting tired of Matt Cox. So they brought in a new woman, like some English woman who's like 40 or 50 years old or something like that. And very attractive and Bannon, they ended up in the rotation, Bannon interviewed her. And he said, well, we need to interview her from now on. The old horn dog. Um, and so like, uh, yeah, I don't get interviewed.

• 2:09:20Danny Jones?

  He was tight with Epstein. He knew Epstein.

• 2:09:22Speaker 03

  Oh, was he?

• 2:09:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:23Speaker 03

  I bet he never brings that up.

• 2:09:25Danny Jones?

  He, no, he, he, there's a, there's a whole like video documentary that was done on Epstein before he died, where he did all of these long form interviews and there's allegedly, there's like hours of footage of interviews that have Epstein that Bannon filmed and then I think it was the day Bannon got fired by Trump during the first campaign. That same day Bannon drove straight to fucking Manhattan to meet Epstein.

• 2:09:47Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:09:48Danny Jones?

  Hey, I have a question. And Michael Wolff, the guy, uh, the guy who, uh,

• 2:09:52Speaker 03

  What's that name?

• 2:09:52Danny Jones?

  He did a docu, he did a whole like deep dive investigation into Epstein and did, and interviewed Bannon and a bunch of stuff. And, um, Bannon, there's a interview snippet from that thing he produced where it was a write-up, I think that he did, where Epstein's brother Mark said that he was on the phone with Jeffrey Epstein, his brother, right before the Hillary Trump election in 2016. And allegedly, I mean, it's Michael Wolff, so take it with a grain of salt. He said that Epstein told his brother, "If they knew what I know, they would cancel the whole fucking election about Hillary and Trump."

• 2:10:37Speaker 03

  Okay, well, what would that be?

• 2:10:40Danny Jones?

  Who knows? I mean, use your imagination. But just like assuming like the levels of blackmail that he knew, because Trump and Epstein were running around together for like 10 years. They were really good friends.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  Okay, I didn't know that. I've seen pictures. I know there's pictures. I know that they were at functions.

• 2:10:53Danny Jones?

  They were really tight for like 10 years.

• 2:10:54Speaker 03

  Um, you know what's funny is like, so Epstein gets caught the first time, right? You know, the first time he gets caught, it's like a sweetheart deal.

• 2:11:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:03Speaker 03

  Where basically like he slept at the jail. He comes in at eight o'clock at night, sleeps there and leaves at six in the morning. Like he's really just hanging out. I mean, I, if you described that deal to me and told me that this type of a deal exists, I'd have told you you were lying. That's not possible. Nobody, nobody would, no, no court system would bend over that much for anybody, especially for that crime. So I was shocked. So that's shocking, right? The fact, can you imagine the arrogance or that you have to have? So keep in mind, he couldn't get the charges dropped, so it's not absolute power. They said, "You have to do something." Like they're like, "You've got to do something. We have to say that something. You've got to be able to say that you went to prison, we can do, or jail,

• 2:11:48Speaker 03

  that we can, we can do this, we can arrange it so it's not so bad for you, but we, we have to." So it's not 100% power for him. He didn't have everything like, "Oh, he's got so much stuff." We don't have enough to not get out of that charge, but he did have enough so that it wasn't harmful. But imagine this, the arrogance or the, at least the confidence that you have to have that you can get out of almost everything is that you do that. You now have that charge and you do it again.

• 2:12:15Speaker 03

  You do it so again.

• 2:12:16Danny Jones?

  He's a sick fuck.

• 2:12:17Speaker 03

  Like, I get it, he's a sick fuck, but it's like, how like, I, I, like, it is kinda like, what do you have that you feel so, or maybe it's not that, maybe it's just you're so sick, you're so, you're, you're such a perv.

• 2:12:33Danny Jones?

  It's a combination of things, right? Like, he's definitely a fucking sicko, pervert, but he's also got a ton of money. He got super rich, coincidentally, right after.

• 2:12:44Speaker 03

  Which is weird.

• 2:12:45Danny Jones?

  Robert Maxwell died, right? Who was the, uh, Pergamon press guy, who was a triple agent for the Mossad, the KGB and, uh, MI6. And he died off his yacht and missed, and his, uh, his wealth probably went to Jeffrey Epstein, because that's right when Jeffrey Epstein got all of his money.

• 2:13:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:13:03Danny Jones?

  So you have that much money, you're connected to the CIA, you're connected to the Mossad, uh, you're running around doing deals, funding, uh, civil wars in different countries with your, you're emailing a hood Barack every day, you're fucking flying around with Donald Trump, Bill Gates.

• 2:13:18Speaker 03

  You're texting senators.

• 2:13:20Danny Jones?

  Texting senators.

• 2:13:21Speaker 03

  Getting blows passed.

• 2:13:22Danny Jones?

  You probably have blackmail on so many powerful people, you have so much goddamn money.

• 2:13:27Speaker 03

  But it wasn't like absolute, though.

• 2:13:29Danny Jones?

  And then like, but right, it wasn't absolute, but you're flying as high as you can possibly fly when it comes to human beings on this earth. You probably have more, a lot, you probably, when it comes to like, the limit of power you can have.

• 2:13:44Speaker 03

  Your top shelf.

• 2:13:44Danny Jones?

  Your top shelf, like, you can do whatever you fucking want, pretty much.

• 2:13:49Speaker 03

  Pretty much.

• 2:13:50Danny Jones?

  You can kill whoever you want, you can get whatever fucking prostitute you want, you can get whatever jet mansion you want, you can buy whatever fucking island you want. So like, where does that end? You, when you like, at some point, I, I imagine it probably started in like, the intelligence world, like, just getting intel, getting blackmail, but it probably got, got more and more wealth, got more and more power, got more and more leverage. Maybe he fucking just got bored. At one, at what point, at what point do you have so much control and so much money that you just get bored and just say, I'm gonna fly even closer to the sun and see how much more I can, I can push the boundaries of.

• 2:14:33Speaker 03

  Life or whatever. My perversion. My perversion. I mean, because. Whatever it is. Because at some point, like, he doesn't have enough power or know enough people or have enough blackmail information on people that when they're, when they started the investigation, he was able to shut it down. You see what I'm saying? Like, he still ended up getting found guilty. And he still got people like Bill Gates to hang out with him after that. Yeah, that's, like, you would think Bill Gates, I don't know, you know what's funny about that? Listen, listen to this. Like, in my mind, it's kind of like, um, to me, I feel like if, because obviously the people that come to the, to the White House and meet with the president, like,

• 2:15:18Speaker 03

  he doesn't know necessarily these people, right? Like, a lot of these people are his secretary or, or his, um, uh, you know, vice president, secretary, whatever, his chief of staff, all these people are coming, saying, listen, we have a guy, he, he owns this many factories, they produce this, this, uh, we're trying to get it, you know, he wants to talk to you about possibly getting a law pa- or whatever it is. And then they come in, like, he didn't really know this guy, these people vetted him. I always assume at least somebody's running a criminal background check, right? Like, somebody, you're vetting him, like, I don't know the guy, I'm trusting you, but I'm assuming to get in through the gate, they have to run a criminal background check at some point. Mm-hmm. But like Frank Almedeo met with George, you know, uh, um. Right. George Bush. Right.

• 2:16:02Speaker 03

  Like, I got photos of him in the Roosevelt Room with him, like, talking multiple times, there's multiple photos, like, he's there, he's at the table with him, like, he was a felon. Or, or I give you another example is, um, uh, uh, shoot, he was the, uh, he was the, um, chairman, uh, uh.

• 2:16:23Speaker 03

  Uh, he was head of the House of Representatives. What did they fucking call that guy? Newt Gingrich was a, um, he was head of, you know, Congress. I fucking, I'm getting so fucking old and it's late. Um, anyway, what do you call him? The guy who's head of like Congress? What, you know, he's the Speaker of the House? Thank you. Jesus, God almighty. Cut that out. Make me look smart. Um, so, but yeah, he was, he was Mike Johnson's the current Speaker of the House. Right. But this was, uh, this was Newt Gingrich. This was back in the eighties, right? He was king for like, whatever, 10 years or something. He was a Speaker of the House. And so he's got a whole group around him. Like I, I, I'm interviewed by him. So for the home, home title lock, Oh, yeah. They fly me in. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:04Speaker 03

  I go walk in a room. I'm standing there with him. There's clearly bodyguards. There's his handlers, like people that like his assistant and other people for him. Like he's got an entourage, right? And there's the, the, um, CEO or president, I'm not sure what he's called of, uh, um, of home title lock. There's the, the other people and I'm in the room with him and he knows he's meeting with me. They, I shake his hand. We talk and as they were talking, they introduced me and they explained that Mr. Cox did 13 years in federal prison for fraud and this and this and this. And he kind of glances over and you can see all these guys kind of glance. There's a quick glance

• 2:17:43Speaker 03

  between all of them. And I remember thinking to myself like, he didn't know. He's, he knew he was going to meet with someone, right? He knew, they knew I was coming. They knew somebody was coming, but he didn't really know. But at some point you would have think that I've got a felony conviction and I'm shaking hands with this guy. Wouldn't someone have checked? Wouldn't someone have been watching out that I could get this close to this person? Like in general, if Bill Gates is meeting with someone, Yeah. He can't, so I didn't know that. You had to know. Right. You have people that, you know, so I think that they, that they would, they would do that. But I guess it doesn't always happen. Right? So I, I would think that

• 2:18:29Danny Jones?

  You know, does that make sense? Like, I feel like they should, and I definitely feel like Bill Gates should. Right. Or Zuckerberg. I would think that anybody they meet with, they would. Well, you think like, look, they're going to this, like, like, he's hanging out with Bill Clinton all the time. Like, of course, I'm gonna go. That's enough of a vetting. Like, if this guy's hanging out with Bill Clinton and fucking whoever, all the other celebrities and Harvard scientists that were flying to his island, like, legitimate people. Like, it's kind of like diffusion of responsibility. Like, if all these people are going, what's it gonna hurt for me to go? I know, but, I know, but to me, I, I don't know. But you're right, Bill Gates, there's no excuse for Bill Gates. Yeah, there's no, you know what's funny? Bill Gates was also going through like a, like a problem with his wife at the time. I get it, but I'm not gonna hang out with a file, so. Maybe Bill Gates was fucking.

• 2:19:13Danny Jones?

  May, that's, maybe that's possible. Um, shit, I forgot what I was gonna say. I was just, I jumped all over the place. I just immediately. Epstein, uh, it's speculated that Epstein was like super into, him and Ghislaine were really into like UFOs and find, like, trying to find Atlantis and stuff like that. Like, they had scientists coming in there, like, anti-gravity scientists. Right. People coming in there trying to figure out, like, some of this technology stuff, this, like, black budget technology stuff that, like, everyone's, like, in mainstream media today. Which is really weird. You know, Ghislaine was like, when she was young, she was interested in, um, uh, like, oceanography. And like, she wanted to be a marine biologist.

• 2:19:58Danny Jones?

  And, uh, she even met with Jacques Cousteau and was hanging out with Jacques Cousteau's daughter. She had a, a submarine called the Atlantis submarine. And her and Epstein would go down in the submarine looking for, like, lost, uh, ruins of, like, ancient civilizations. They went to Cuba to meet with Castro to get permission to go study these ancient ruins off the coast of Castro and their Atlantis submarine. Like, they were looking for fucking Atlantis, shit like that. Some weird, they were into some, like, esoteric stuff. He was even into, like, uh, witchcraft. He threatened, uh, he threatened, I think it was the writer of the Vanity Fair article, that he was gonna do, like, voodoo on her if she wrote the article. These people are into some, like, wild shit.

• 2:20:47Speaker 03

  Insanity.

• 2:20:48Danny Jones?

  We need the UFOs to come down and save us from all this shit, Matt Cox.

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see.

• 2:20:57Danny Jones?

  What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do if the government comes out and says aliens are real? They've been living here the whole time. They're a breakaway civilization. They're future time. They're time travelers. They're us from the future.

• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  I would like to think that they, they, they're.

• 2:21:10Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't know if that's a good thing to say either or think. I was gonna say, I'd like to see there is as confused as us, but I don't think they are. I think they probably have a much better idea of what's going on.

• 2:21:22Speaker 03

  But I could be wrong.

• 2:21:22Danny Jones?

  They're like gods.

• 2:21:24Speaker 03

  Who knows? Well, I mean, what is that quote that any, even a slightly advanced technology appears to be magic too?

• 2:21:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:33Speaker 03

  It doesn't take much for something to look for, you know, for them, it's

• 2:21:37Danny Jones?

  Science.

• 2:21:38Speaker 03

  It's for them, it's science. And for us, it's like, you know, it's magic. Like, oh, how did that happen? Like, I told you that the first time I, my, my boss printed something, the guy I was working for at the time in the halfway house, printed out something off of his phone and printed it off using the wifi.

• 2:21:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:54Speaker 03

  I was fucking, like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, I printed it. It's over there. I'm like, you didn't print anything. He's like, I did, just it's over there. It's on the printer.

• 2:22:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:02Speaker 03

  And he, he's like, I just printed it. I'm like, you were standing right here. What are you talking like? I, I got up. I was getting irritated like he's fucking with me.

• 2:22:08Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:22:10Speaker 03

  And I didn't know what wifi was. I don't know what that is. They didn't have that in prison. But, uh, yeah, I just think that it's just, it's just, it's, boy, the world's bizarre. What are, what are we talking about?

• 2:22:22Danny Jones?

  I think we're taking it home right now, Matt.

• 2:22:23Speaker 03

  Are we?

• 2:22:24Danny Jones?

  We're gonna bring it home.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  Okay, well, how long we been talking?

• 2:22:27Danny Jones?

  We've been talking for two and a half hours.

• 2:22:28Speaker 03

  Are you serious?

• 2:22:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:30Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 2:22:32Speaker 03

  Can we, what are we gonna do about Steven's hair? We, Steven needs a camera, but he does have to comb the hair. He has to get the hair under control. And then he can be on camera.

• 2:22:42Danny Jones?

  What kind of haircut should he get? Do you think if she bring it, make it high and tight?

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  No, I think, I think he's just needs some, some, some, uh, some product, you know, you're rubbing your hand. And when he gets out of the shower, he slicks it back. He can slick it. He just put it in a man bun.

• 2:22:54Danny Jones?

  Hairline. I mean, he's got nothing to hide.

• 2:22:55Speaker 03

  He could pull off a man bun.

• 2:22:57Danny Jones?

  Not everybody can.

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  No, don't do the fucking man bun.

• 2:22:59Danny Jones?

  I mean, I know, but look at his hair. It's long. He doesn't want to cut his hair. He clearly has.

• 2:23:02Speaker 03

  At least, at least he doesn't smell.

• 2:23:05Danny Jones?

  He has an aversion to, to, to cut, getting his hair cut.

• 2:23:07Speaker 03

  At least he takes the showers.

• 2:23:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, what, well, why wouldn't he take a shower?

• 2:23:11Speaker 03

  Scruffy hair, man. Well, yeah, it's funny. I just think if you're gonna get on camera.

• 2:23:16Danny Jones?

  A lot of people that have hair, most people that have hair like Steven, you can smell them from a mile away.

• 2:23:21Speaker 03

  No, they're homeless. So, but you know, I mean, you know, but he's not homeless. He makes a good living.

• 2:23:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he takes care of himself.

• 2:23:31Speaker 03

  He's just tired. He gets out of, I feel like.

• 2:23:33Danny Jones?

  He's got kids, man. He's got a big, he's got a lot of, he's got a lot of responsibilities.

• 2:23:37Speaker 03

  I feel like Steven rolls out of bed and stumbles and wipes, rubs his eyes and stumbles into the car and drives straight here and, and nah. When he's walking in, he's, he's still wearing like his slippers and, and, and uh, you're, you're, you know, you've been to the, the, sorry. Uh, have you been to the, the movies lately?

• 2:23:55Danny Jones?

  Movie theater?

• 2:23:56Speaker 03

  Movie theater?

• 2:23:57Danny Jones?

  I have not.

• 2:23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, listen, I mean, people walk in there, they're in their pajamas. They bring in pillows.

• 2:24:01Danny Jones?

  What are you gonna, what are you supposed to fucking wear a suit to the fucking movie theater?

• 2:24:04Speaker 03

  No, but you're, you're, you're, you're wearing slippers, your pajamas and, and you're bringing a pillow and you're curling up in, in the seat and watch like, I don't know, like they're wearing, like at least wear maybe a sweat.

• 2:24:15Danny Jones?

  I don't like going, I mean, it's fun going to the movie, like my, the last movie I went to, I took my kid to, like a movie, cause you know, to give him the experience, but like, yeah, it's, it's, it's nostalgic to go to movie theaters, but I do it maybe once every two years.

• 2:24:29Speaker 03

  Sheesh. Well, there's really honestly, there's really just not great movies.

• 2:24:34Danny Jones?

  Well, that movie that you showed us.

• 2:24:36Speaker 03

  Looks great.

• 2:24:36Danny Jones?

  The Hail Mary?

• 2:24:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:37Danny Jones?

  That looks fantastic.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  Or is it, I think it's 2020, 2026? Is it gonna be 2026 where the, the next Dune comes out?

• 2:24:44Danny Jones?

  I have no idea.

• 2:24:45Speaker 03

  I, I love Dune.

• 2:24:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:47Speaker 03

  I, I think it's 2026.

• 2:24:48Danny Jones?

  Your background was inspired by Dune.

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  I know, it's,

• 2:24:53Speaker 03

  trying to think the, what did they call him too? I, I've seen it 30 times.

• 2:24:57Danny Jones?

  Do you think the set's better than the spaceship?

• 2:24:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know about the, the stained glass. I would have.

• 2:25:02Danny Jones?

  You don't like the stained glass?

• 2:25:03Speaker 03

  Only because.

• 2:25:04Danny Jones?

  That's my favorite part.

• 2:25:04Speaker 03

  I would have thought that you would have, like to me, when I first walked in, just because of these things, I actually first thought of Egyptian. I thought it like, like, but the stained glass is an Egyptian. Are you, or is it just kind of a, a, a collection of different types of? Like, did you have one look you were going for? Because to me, this says like

• 2:25:22Danny Jones?

  It was a bunch of looks we tried to combine together.

• 2:25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Like, this is like, like a medieval castle.

• 2:25:29Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:25:29Speaker 03

  Look.

• 2:25:30Danny Jones?

  Yes, it's medieval stone. It looks Egyptian, but it's

• 2:25:32Speaker 03

  This is definitely

• 2:25:33Danny Jones?

  It's cathedral style.

• 2:25:34Speaker 03

  This feels, this definitely feels dune.

• 2:25:37Danny Jones?

  Yes, it does. Yeah, that was definitely a big inspiration. Like, the colors and the, and the, the light shafts are dune inspired. That's cathedral, obviously, and this is just, every shot is unique. It's not all the same.

• 2:25:48Speaker 03

  The table's great. The table makes me very jealous.

• 2:25:51Danny Jones?

  I love this fucking table.

• 2:25:52Speaker 03

  Who made the table?

• 2:25:54Danny Jones?

  Uh, I don't know. My contractor had a guy, a wood, a wood guy who made the table.

• 2:25:57Speaker 03

  I might need, the only reason I say this is because my table, I bought for $60. It was, uh, some, it was on offer up. Somebody had, it was like a, somebody was selling the table. They had lost the bolts, you know, the, for the legs.

• 2:26:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:26:14Speaker 03

  I got it for 60 bucks because they lost the bolts.

• 2:26:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:17Speaker 03

  So, and I, I pick it up and, you know, it flipped out, but it wasn't quite long enough. So, I ended up, eventually I altered it so it was more secure. It's super secure, but it is Ikea and it's got water damage. And, you know, people put their drinks on it and so

• 2:26:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we'll get this guy to make you.

• 2:26:33Speaker 03

  We'll get this guy to make you. Right. I don't need a whole table. I just need like, I just need a, a

• 2:26:39Danny Jones?

  A veneer?

• 2:26:40Speaker 03

  No, not, no, a thicker than that. Huh?

• 2:26:42Danny Jones?

  You just need like a small?

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  No, no, I, I just need a new, a new top like this. This is amazing.

• 2:26:49Danny Jones?

  Stop being so cheap. Just get a new table.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  Or maybe just make a whole new table, but I like my dimensions. That's my only problem. I like the dimensions.

• 2:26:54Danny Jones?

  I love this because this is wider than my previous. Can you tell?

• 2:26:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:57Danny Jones?

  It's wider than my

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  Not much, a little bit, right?

• 2:26:59Danny Jones?

  Six inches wider.

• 2:27:01Speaker 03

  Oh, well, six inches makes a lot of difference from what I, you know, I've been told many times. Um, I think that my table, I would act, I, I like the dimensions of my table. It would be identical, but it would be like this because this is a great table.

• 2:27:15Danny Jones?

  It's white oak.

• 2:27:16Speaker 03

  Well, I wouldn't want a white oak. I think I'd want him to stain it because I, I've got a dark mahogany thing going.

• 2:27:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:22Speaker 03

  But he could do, he could, this guy could obviously do anything.

• 2:27:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:25Speaker 03

  Although, look at these

• 2:27:26Danny Jones?

  Did you see the logo on the front?

• 2:27:27Speaker 03

  Look, is that what it is? It's a logo?

• 2:27:29Danny Jones?

  My logo. Oh, yeah. Stainless steel.

• 2:27:32Speaker 03

  That, see, you went all in. Here's the thing. I actually had a guy on the podcast who had offered to, he did iron work. He had offered to make me a whole table, which I had said-

• 2:27:42Danny Jones?

  Prison bar style, like a prison table?

• 2:27:45Speaker 03

  No, I would just want him to do the same thing I had, but I had just kind of finished my table. This was like two years ago. I was like, no, no, I was like, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. And he's like, bro, he's like, I'm offering it. He's, it's free. I'll do it for free. Like just because I watch your stuff all the time. And he, I'd had him on the program and, and he's like, I'll even put like your logo in the front if you want. And I was like, no, I like it. It's simple.

• 2:28:03Danny Jones?

  Your theme is true crime.

• 2:28:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:28:05Danny Jones?

  Why don't you make it look like this fucking jail cell?

• 2:28:07Speaker 03

  Because I, I like, I like my, it's simple. It's very simple. I'm not trying to do anything cheesy. I just, I want a simple, clean.

• 2:28:14Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:28:14Speaker 03

  I just want a new table. I tried to look up this guy, tried to call him because I had him on the program. He had a video. He got decent numbers, right? Like two or two years ago, he got like 40 or 50,000. It was good. I, his phone number is like, I've texted him two or three times. It doesn't go through. Like he's, I've called it. It's, it's, I don't know what happened to him. I don't know how to get in touch with him. So I don't know what happened to him. Like he's a guy who like committed a bunch of crimes, drugs, drug addict, everything, goes to prison, gets out, started his life over. He was making great money and suddenly he just kind of disappeared. So I was going to try and go to him and say, hey, look, I, I, I will take that table because it was, I should, it was stupid for me to say no, but you know, I, I hate to ask people for stuff, right? You ever get like that? And so, and now I'm in a position where I was like, I could have asked him to do it and I'll, and if, and I could say, hey, and I'll pay you.

• 2:29:00Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:29:01Speaker 03

  But I'd like to have this guy do it. Like I can do woodwork, but I, this is great. I can't do this. I'm not going to do it. I'm never going to get to it.

• 2:29:08Danny Jones?

  You're doing great, Matt. You don't have to, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Thanks again, man. This has been a super fun conversation. Our, our once a year Christmas special. It's been a blast.

• 2:29:19Danny Jones?

  Matt Cox, true crime. I don't need to plug you. You're fucking bigger than me now. I don't need to plug your website. Fuck you.

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  Listen, I'm three, three months away. We are literally, if we stay currently where we're at by the end of February, mid to end of February.

• 2:29:34Danny Jones?

  Million subscribers.

• 2:29:35Speaker 03

  But we should be at a million subscribers because we're, we're like eight 60 something now.

• 2:29:39Danny Jones?

  I love it.

• 2:29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:41Danny Jones?

  Amen.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  It's pretty cool.

• 2:29:42Danny Jones?

  Merry Christmas, everybody.

• 2:29:43Speaker 03

  Merry Christmas.

• 2:29:44Danny Jones?

  Happy Hanukkah.

• 2:29:45Speaker 03

  And have a good night, right? Is it, what is, how does it go? Merry Christmas to all. And to all a good night. To all a good night. Thank you and to all the good night. Good night, everybody.

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