Vantage S Review; that Ford GT Lap; the Peril of Selling a Project

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman review the new Aston Martin Vantage S; would a rear collision avoidance system work; listing every hypercar Matt has driven; a special Ford GT just set a blistering Nurburgring record; why they're spending car week in Detroit this year; try to sort out the best car for the Woodward Dream Cruise; and answer Patreon questions including: Will a Golf R replace my Audi S4 sadness? What cars are better when they're worse? How to sell a project car Need a commuter for quarterly track days Is $40k "worth it" for a 996? Are hypercars serviced by mileage or time? The 2026 Lexus IS refresh Our thoughts on Rivian dating Uber Dream show at the Vegas Sphere? Where to test a car General advice for people in their 20s Do you need a car in Tuscany? And more! Recorded April 2, 2026 Fitbod Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan. Get 25% off your subscription or try the app FREE for seven days at https://fitbod.me/TIRE BlueChew Right now, when you buy two months of BlueChew Gold, you get the third for FREE with promo code TIRE. Visit https://BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information. Drive Season 4 Listen to Drive with Jim Farley Season 4 at https://lnk.to/drivewithjimfarleyPS!thesmokingtire Enter to WIN a 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S! Podcast Link: https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Use Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:24Matt Farah?

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• 2:09Matt Farah?

  in 6 minutes 15 seconds. We discuss this and more on today's episode of the Smoking Tire. Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity, and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. They had it.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  There we spooled.

• 2:44Matt Farah?

  Okay. We just got it.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  We just walked in the store and bought it.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  So I found out my-

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Not only that, they had a lot.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  A bunch of rums?

• 2:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they probably had 150 different rums.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  They have a Zafra.

• 2:57Matt Farah?

  I didn't look, but they might.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  I found out my neighbor, whatever, dog neighbor, whatever, but he's really into rum, and I started talking to him about it, and I was like, "It's $60 bottle of rum is way better than $500 bottle of bourbon."

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  He's like, "Kinda."

• 3:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Dude, thank you.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  I'm literally like, I'm so, I was just talking about doing a rum tasting at his house.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  I got, you know, I got one for myself as well.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  And I had a little sipski last night with a big rock. Fucking excellent.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, for people listening, we drank this in BVI.

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Plantaray 20-year-old rum, and it was so smooth.

• 3:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  But not sweet, aggressively smooth like cheap rum.

• 3:37Matt Farah?

  Can I just like pop the box open?

• 3:38Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 3:39Matt Farah?

  To show the bottle, because the bottle's cool. So we did a rum tasting on Cooper Island, which I can't, I can't recommend it highly enough. It was fabulous. Talked about it, and look at this, this bottle, it gives you that little, that pirate wrap.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  It does.

• 3:52Matt Farah?

  You know, that you need. It was probably like, when you're like hucking bottles on a pirate ship, this gives you like extra grip, you know?

• 4:02Speaker 01

  And it also, if they, it keeps them from clinking together.

• 4:05Matt Farah?

  Yes, that too. And you could hang it from something maybe too, but goddamn is this shit good.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  It's really good.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, if- We're gonna fuck this all up like we did with, remember we went to Kentucky in 2013 and tasted Blantons, and then wouldn't shut up about how great Blantons was, and then it became $300 a bottle?

• 4:21Speaker 01

  So we should buy 10 of these, sit on them.

• 4:24Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, I started, I sent, I actually bought three bottles. One for you, one for me, and then I sent one to Big Raj. Because Big Raj actually likes rum.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  No way.

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  Like, he, he, not like, he, he, he's never really fucked with it like this. But he'll like, he, he, if he gets a cocktail, it's a rum and Coke or a dark and stormy. Like, that's his cocktail, yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  And he has nice bourbons.

• 4:50Matt Farah?

  And he knows about bourbon and whiskey, yeah. But, yeah, he doesn't really, you know, I go to, I go to the South Carolina house every year, a couple of times a year. And there's never any whiskey drank from the last time I was there. So, he'll have some when we're having some, but on his own, like, no. So I sent him a bottle of this and be like, I think we need to get about this rum life. Because this is a different, this is, for, you know, I don't know, for people like us, this is uncharted territory.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  It is, uh, but it's also more affordable territory than the rum terr- than the bourbon territory. I think if you poured this, I wish we hadn't talked about this, we could trick Johnny.

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  To Johnny.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Pour this in some bottle and be like, this is a $4,000 bottle that a fan sent us a sample.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Oh, I think you could tell that it's not. Yeah, it's not, I mean, it's, it's, it's, uh, these very good rums are like bourbon in that they are oftentimes aged in bourbon barrels, or aged in whiskey barrels, or wine barrels, and so you end up with something that's like a, it's in the same family of, of flavor profiles, but like, it's not exactly. If you actually put whiskey next to this, you'd go, these are not.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  They go down the same freeway and they take slightly different flavor off ramps.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but one's in the carpool lane, yeah. Oh, yeah, different metaphor.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  Bourbon gets a little spicy and has like a little more, you know, kind of alcohol at the back, I think. And these are just smoother.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and bourbon's a little more corn and this is a little more vanilla.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  Like bourbon, a good bourbon to me is like a, it's like breakfast, almost, you know?

• 6:23Speaker 01

  What?

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  It's got a breakfast smell.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Wildly different breakfast.

• 6:26Matt Farah?

  Sweetness and corn.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Oh, maple syrup type thing.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  Syrupy sort of thing, this is like very vanilla forward, but anyway, that is for you.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Thank you, that's rad. I'm glad I drove today, because sometimes I walk to work and I would just be carrying.

• 6:39Matt Farah?

  Walking down the street.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Looking.

• 6:40Matt Farah?

  I mean, listen, if you're walking down this street carrying a bottle of booze.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  I'd look like Gareth. I'd look like Gareth Reynolds coming over to your house for dinner.

• 6:47Matt Farah?

  Just showing up. Walking out of the shadows.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  With bottles and bottles in a grocery bag.

• 6:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, my God, that's so funny. He walked really far with all that fucking alcohol. And then we did it, but, but we really did honor him by drinking it.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:01Matt Farah?

  By the way, in a, in a recent episode of The Dollop, he fucking, I, they sort of shouted us out, but also talked shit while doing it.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  That's fine.

• 7:10Matt Farah?

  He basically like, yeah, he basically said, like, cool. We got really drunk at his house and they sent us home in Waymos, which was funny. But also, there may be some ties to Epstein. Like, that was what, that was what they said.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  That is unfair.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  It was pretty tough.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  That is uncalled for. I am not in those files.

• 7:29Matt Farah?

  Pretty tough, Gareth.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's.

• 7:30Matt Farah?

  It was brutal. I forgot, I heard that, I was listening to the show and I was like, I should probably follow up on that.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  I think that's, uh, he just went for the easy low hanging joke fruit.

• 7:42Matt Farah?

  I was like, Epstein. I mean, look, I know I had, I know I've actually, I know I've personally hung out with three or four people that are in the Epstein file.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  That's true, but, but look, Gareth is technically from the UK, I think, born there.

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  So is Prince Andrew.

• 7:59Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  So I'm just saying, small island.

• 8:02Matt Farah?

  Definitely related.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  There's some connections.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  The genes don't lie.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  Right? Sydney Sweeney said that. Um, the, uh,

• 8:10Matt Farah?

  the.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  That's marketing.

• 8:11Matt Farah?

  Right? Fuck. Hi, hi, everybody. It's Smoke and Tire Podcast. Bill Coman, Cars, Allegedly, Allegedly Cars. Uh, we have things, oh, man. There's things to talk about today. I actually found a lot of things to talk about today.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  So many things have happened since we did a show two days ago.

• 8:31Matt Farah?

  First, I want to complain about something. Social media sucks my fucking asshole on April 2nd. Cause the algorithm is feeding you all these people's leftover April Fools posts. Cause it's not timeline anymore. Your TL isn't your fucking TL, it's your AL.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  I don't know if you can do it on the desktop version of Instagram.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, can you not sort chronologically?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Well, on Instagram, like you have to go to the tap down and go to like following and then it's in order. But it's not the default.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  And that's not on the desktop.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Which is dumb, because I get served stuff from three weeks ago, a lot, very annoying.

• 9:10Matt Farah?

  And when you're on desktop particularly, and I, for my sanity, I only keep Instagram on desktop. I don't have social media on my phone. It's better for you. Better, I don't want to say you, I don't want to project my own onto other people. It's better for me. By a lot. So anyway, Instagram definitely doesn't want you using Instagram on your fucking computer. They want you on a phone. So using Instagram in terms of like clunkiness, it's about 2013. What Instagram desktop is, but like, but yeah, but with algorithms. So.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  That drives me nuts. Um, okay. So get this.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  There were some great, did you see some great April Fools car content? I saw Z tuning that built, Z1 Engineering that built that, uh, 400Z I drove. They had one that was like the new titanium trumpet exhaust.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  That's sort of funny.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  And they, I mean, they did, they did very good, like probably AI animation. Like it looked like hand welded four trumpets.

• 10:10Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Into pipes. That was a really good one.

• 10:12Matt Farah?

  I think I, I saw that in Cabo on the bunch of pickup trucks in about 2003.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  You heard it for sure. There's just some good stuff. Some of the aftermarket companies had a really good time.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a couple did and then I just, you know, I just zoned out for April 1st. But, cause I'm not fun, so I didn't really, I didn't get in, I don't get in on like social media trends. I posted a picture of Finn, like my cat.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  No, you know what I told, you know what I posted was the picture, the, the, the, the memory of Carl. The, the day that Carl came to visit in LA and we made matzo ball soup. Or he made matzo ball soup and then we went to APL and fucking ate everything on the menu. And then he threatened to throw me off my own roof in Venice if I didn't buy the Countach. All of those things happened in one day.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  That was a good, that was there, yeah. We went three up in a Aston Vantage.

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  And that was 2018. That's how long the Aston Martin Vantage has been out in its current iteration. Current-ish iteration.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:19Matt Farah?

  Cause this was the, this was the first press car. Matter of fact, this wasn't the first press car. The first press car was the white one that was the year before. This was the facelift. This was the sorry we've fixed the grill one.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Cause the lights were too small in the beginning. Oh, that's right. The first, cause the first one was 2016.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  The first one was 16 or 17.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  On drive and that was a long time ago.

• 11:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  And then, and that one was, that was slower than it should have been. They were like, it has this much horsepower. And you go, sure? Sure AMG didn't fuck you? Um, okay. I can't believe you guys fit two people, three people in this car.

• 11:54Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, look, two of them were, you know, probably fucking. So they were, you know, on.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  But no, nonetheless, the fact that, and also for people like, for people listening. Carl is sitting on the woman's lap, not the inverse.

• 12:07Matt Farah?

  She's, well, she, uh, shout out to Britten. She's great, but she's probably four inches taller than him.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. She's like, she's like tall, like, you know, like, like, like a, like a model. She's built like a, like a model. And he's, he'd, he'd, he was like a little, looking like a troll.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  So it's logistics fairness there.

• 12:27Matt Farah?

  And it wasn't in particular, we didn't do this all the way to Hollywood to APL. We, I picked him up at his hotel in Marina Del Rey. We went to the Ralph's in Marina Del Rey and then we went to my house in Venice.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Oh, like 10 minute drive.

• 12:37Matt Farah?

  It was a 10 minute drive. And then we took a fucking Uber to, to Hollywood. But, um, but this dude made. I posted the recipe on Patreon. The greatest matzo ball soup in the history of matzo ball soup, which I think I might make. This weekend. I haven't made it in about a year, but we're due. You want to make a Monteball soup this weekend?

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 12:57Matt Farah?

  It takes like fucking four hours. It uses every dish in the kitchen. It's so labor intensive.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Sarah might go out of town this weekend, so if she does, then I'll definitely, I can just sit there for five hours.

• 13:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but so, so it made me, because I'm, we were driving the new Vantage, the S, and it made me, I was looking, I was like, ah, I remember, when was it that me and Carl went, did, had, had our day in the, in the VA Vantage? And it was 2018. So it's been, it's been like nine years this fucking thing's been on the market.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:27Matt Farah?

  Which is like, you know, a slow gestation to perfection.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  Because usually, they'll tweak things, then, like, GR Corolla, I know I've mentioned a lot, but I drove 24, 25, 26. The change from 24 to 25

• 13:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  was totally noticeable on a racetrack.

• 13:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Big jump in one year.

• 13:45Matt Farah?

  And the change from that one was a little more, not, it wasn't a huge amount. The jump from 24 to 25 was a big one.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Five to six, also noticeable.

• 13:55Matt Farah?

  Well, this is the, and this being the S, it's, it's like, I like to say S is for sorted. And like, that's, if you click one post to the left on, on, we can just go right into it, the Aston Martin, not, a full, a full post, to the, to the current one, to the Vantage S, which I drove for most of the week, and Zach just had a quick go in, because I thought it was a day longer than it was, and I'm very sorry for that. Folks, taking a break from the action today, because this episode is brought to you by Fitbod. Dude, there are so many ridiculous fitness influencers on Instagram, who are trying to sell you less for more. Right? They've got a system, and it's like a multi-level

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• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, if I hadn't gone on the launch of the regular one, I would have been kind of annoyed, but it was close, it was similar enough, things so fast. And I do, the emotional side of me would buy this over a 911 Turbo. The mental side of me would buy the Turbo. That's kind of my TLDR.

• 19:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's like the thinking man's choice, and this is the like, let's fucking go.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  This is the Ferrari man's choice. But there's no Ferrari at this price.

• 19:14Matt Farah?

  I really like this thing so much. Like, it's, it's like, I would describe it like Carl's matzo ball soup. After fucking so much time simmering on the stove, the ingredients have really come together in a, in a very nice way. Whether it's, you know, applying the talents of the Formula One engineers in the off season. Season or whether Andrew Kay, who did the Valhalla, had his hands on this thing. I didn't go on the launch for this, so I didn't speak to the engineers, but like, everything is super fucking harmonious in this car. Uh, the power, the tipping, the brakes, the gear changes, the, the steering ratio,

• 19:57Matt Farah?

  the, the rebound on the shocks, like all of it, like it does exactly the thing you pretty much want it to do all the time, which is lovely. And then it has 671 horsepower in a very short wheelbase. And so you can spin the tires, you know, all the way into third gear, if that's what you're trying to do. Um, my only, the only thing about this car, I don't, I don't, there's two things I don't like about it. One is the ADAS, which they need to make it stay off through restarts. This is just, this is, this is not good. And then the other is all, all vantage is they, there's, there was nothing that's been changed about this.

• 20:37Matt Farah?

  It's like, I need like, I can drive this car for 90 minutes before needing to like get out and stretch. I need one to two inches more legroom seat travel. That's the only reason I would, I would get a 911 GTS, which is the same real price as this, because turbos are more. This is cheaper than a turbo now, but more than a GTS. Wow. So it's, yeah, a loaded GTS, you can, you can, you can knock on the door of this. A loaded GTS is more than the base price of a Vantage S. This one, this one was 198 base, 248 as tested. Wow, I mean, that's so much money also, but what's a turbo base?

• 21:22Matt Farah?

  Two turbo base is like 230. Oh geez, okay. You know, and the one, the turbo S that we are giving away. And by the way, our turbo S is a dot one. Right. The new one's even more expensive. Our turbo S is 275, but it's loaded. Yeah. It's got a bunch of options in it. Go to our Instagram link in bio to enter to win our turbo S, by the way. Uh, the best turbo S is a free turbo S. Very true. That's absolutely true. Yeah, but it really makes this thing seem like, I mean, and again, we're talking about funny money for rich people, but it does make it in the game of top Trumps seem like kind of a bargain. Well, I think it's a competitor finally, which it wasn't.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  In the middle, in my opinion.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  It's a dynamic competitor.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  It's a dynamic competitor, and I think it's also, the aesthetics are there now, for the most part.

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  Very pretty.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  The speed is there, which wasn't there for a little while. It was almost like, like the V8 Vantage in those earlier days was closer to the 911, not the turbo of course, but like, it was pretty good dynamically, it had pretty good power, and you could, you could make the case for it. And then I feel like in the middle, it just, it aged poorly and they made some bad decisions. They didn't have the money, basically, and now it's kind of back.

• 22:35Matt Farah?

  Well, and also, in context, in the first half of this car's life cycle, the AMG GT was a thing.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 22:42Matt Farah?

  Which had the same engine and a better gearbox.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  And it was cheaper.

• 22:46Matt Farah?

  And it was cheaper, and arguably prettier.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  I agree, and the interior, much prettier.

• 22:51Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Like, it was a place to sit, made a great race car, and, you know, this is just my, my take, when I drove this car, the old one on the track, it just felt like, it felt like there were some horses that didn't make it on the boat from Germany to England. You know, I don't know. The AMG GT's always felt faster, tighter, all that stuff.

• 23:11Matt Farah?

  So, but now, in, in the nine years they've been making this, they've gone inch by inch, refining this, getting better, getting better, more power, tighter, better dampers, better handling, better brakes, better wheels, better cohesion. The AMG GT is still competent, but is now a fairly soft GT car.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:33Matt Farah?

  Less pretty.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:34Matt Farah?

  Uh, heavier.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  It kind of turned into the SL.

• 23:37Matt Farah?

  Well, they did. They merged those two things into one product. And then also, all 911s have gotten, gotten more expensive, faster than this has gotten more expensive.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  And so now you can get, you know, a pretty bad motherfucker Aston, which is, in the hierarchy of exotic car, probably perceived higher than most 911s.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:04Matt Farah?

  For what, what is actually like, you know, seems like fairly reasonable money.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I think if you ask most people at a curb, what costs more, this car or a GTS, they're gonna probably go with the Aston, because the name, the marketing, all that stuff, it is, and it's, it's a rarer thing to see.

• 24:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  So, the S is only 14 more horsepower than the regular car.

• 24:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  So, it's more about the handling and stuff, right?

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and, and it's, it's, it's damper tuning, it's got, it's got the ceramic brakes, uh, and, and all that stuff that, that come with it, and then there's trim, but, it's usually, it means more to me as like a signifier within Aston Martin of like, we've finally nailed this one. Like, whenever you get to an S, you're like, "Ah, the biggest difference was the fucking Rapide. Remember the Rapide? Dude, the first one was a pig, and then the S was like, "Whoa, what'd you guys do? This is all right," you know, fucking ripped. We went to the, the launch, was it a track? It was at Atlanta Motorsports Park.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  I was like, it was a hard track. I was like, "Wow, this is fucking all right. You guys are doing it." And it was, like, it was a big, but Vanquish to Vanquish S, you know, the last Vantage S was a big change, although arguably the 7-speed manual was a step back from the 6-speed, but, you know, that notwithstanding. Fucking cool car.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Very cool car.

• 25:27Matt Farah?

  It's so nice. Everyone who saw it, like, loved it, although I did not get a lot of, like, love on the street. Like, people, and, like, I think I, did I mention that there was an identical car? And even that person, like, didn't acknowledge it. There doesn't seem to be a lot of, like, just, you know, people in traffic looking at it. There's not a lot of, like, if you're, if you're seeking attention, it's the wrong car, is what I'm saying.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Now, uh, what cars have you driven in the last year that did get lots of attention?

• 26:02Matt Farah?

  Well, that's a good question.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Like, I'm wondering if this is just people in traffic looking at their phones, and they're not really noticing cars at, at all.

• 26:09Matt Farah?

  Right. Well, LA is a tough, because there's, there are so many nice cars here. So, you really pretty, you have to drive something wild for people to really give a shit. Um, hmm. You know, that's a very good question. I would say, well, if I have to narrow it to new cars, that makes it tough, too. Oh, man.

• 26:32Matt Farah?

  That's a harder question than I expected, Klapman. Guys, taking a break from the action because support is coming in fast like Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford, who's now got a podcast. And you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show and right now, it's this, the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. In it, the Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed. Like Formula One driver Daniel Ricciardo. Listen, there's a well-worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to. But if there is one that is interesting to listen to, it is Daniel Ricciardo. I think

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  this guy's takes on stuff and life are great. And look, Jim is a racing driver also. I personally raced against him like two months ago. And for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEO-dom when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on Drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app. Very easy to find. Drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. What have you experienced those people really looking at?

• 27:52Matt Farah?

  I'm really, I'm really struggling to answer. I mean, there's like, like the like Revuelto of the C8.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  The C8 was new because it was a new idea.

• 28:01Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  That got a lot of attention.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  The Alpine, but it got question marks. Like I had more people say, what is that? And look at it. But I was shocked by the number of heads that turned. Also in Monterey, it was car week.

• 28:15Matt Farah?

  I mean, I guess the Spectre, although it was a little more than I wanted.

• 28:21Matt Farah?

  Driving one of those Revologies around where it, it, it looks like a brand new 1969 Mustang like that, that, that gets a lot of the, I mean, I'm a broken record, but the Manx.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 28:36Matt Farah?

  I mean, the Manx.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Because that's an, that's an oddity. And it's also bright. I mean, it is literally. A bright signal in traffic.

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  I drove it to dinner last night in Venice and driving into the sunset going around the marina. I just looked at her head and I was like, it's so spark. I just said, I said, I was like, it's so sparkly. She's like, do you hear yourself?

• 28:55Speaker 01

  The depth, dude, the depth of the gel coat.

• 28:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  When we were at the factory and I looked at it. I mean, it was a little bit like being on a hallucinogen.

• 29:03Matt Farah?

  It is. It shifts.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  There's thick, clear coat and then you can see. It's like looking at a bed of crystals.

• 29:10Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  You know, and you could like zoom into it. It's nuts.

• 29:13Matt Farah?

  Right, because it's not paint with flake in it.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:16Matt Farah?

  The flake is suspended in the gel, which has a depth to it. And therefore there's flake at different heights. So that when you move your head back and forth.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:28Matt Farah?

  Or turn across the light, it creates a fucking trippy shift.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's the best. It's fabulous. But like, yeah, no, I'm just saying, not a lot of like, dang, like not a lot of street cred. In terms of if you want to tent. Now, it doesn't mean, we went, I took it up to up the mountain on a Friday. People asked about it. People are interested in it. It, you know, it's very, no one, no one was like, ew. You know, and, and it's a, I forgot, because I haven't, I haven't had a coupe in a while. The ones we've, I've taken home for the last six years have both been roadsters. The hatchback.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 30:06Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:07Matt Farah?

  Golf clubs. I delivered a gun safe to Cory. I mean, one of those ones.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Oh, the stop box thing.

• 30:14Matt Farah?

  It was my golf clubs, my golf shoes, a duffel bag, because I had to shower before going to Sergio's after golf. And, and then a gun safe, there, look, oh, I took the gun, the gun safe was in the empty space in the top right where the.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  When we got a picture, this is a lot, the golf clubs go across, you know, like a Corvette. But you got a lot of bags. It's a lot of depth until you get to that small.

• 30:36Matt Farah?

  And then my shoes, my shoes and that other thing.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Totally usable space.

• 30:40Matt Farah?

  Go up, those are my other shoes, go up on the shelf up top. Like you could, you could live out of this car for a couple of weeks.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:48Matt Farah?

  If you wanted to like, travel the country, road tripping, this would be an excellent car to do it in.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  The, I was, the only thing when I jumped in this car that I did not like about it is the seats. By comparing to a nine elevens, like 18 ways.

• 31:03Matt Farah?

  Compared to an 18 way.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  But I think the, the thigh bolster is just, is a little too short. And that's kind of it. So for really long-term driving.

• 31:11Matt Farah?

  You like a very long.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I do. I like it to go to the knee pretty much. Yeah.

• 31:16Matt Farah?

  Almost like, you know, horse-like. No.

• 31:20Matt Farah?

  You like a long thigh bolster.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  I do. Yeah. I want as much support because I think for me with my body, like the more pressure moves back, like the more it's on my spine and tailbone.

• 31:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  And I have problematic tailbone due to the snowboarding wrong.

• 31:34Matt Farah?

  I actually, if I extend the thigh bolster too long, have like, it creates a problem somewhere else.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 31:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I need, yeah.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  But.

• 31:42Matt Farah?

  On the 18ways, I put it out like maybe an inch.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:45Matt Farah?

  But if I, but even if I don't put it out at all, it's still kind of fine.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Well, you spent more time in this. So how did you?

• 31:50Matt Farah?

  I agree. The seats, the Porsche seats are better. If you're talking about an 18-way, it's better. If you're talking about like a base Porsche seat or a bucket, I'd rather spend the time in this. But that one inch of leg room that I don't have in this car, like here's, here's how I know that it's a difference. I spent a half a day driving it barefoot because I had like flip flops on and I was going somewhere with flip flops. So like, I drove it an hour each way, barefoot. To golf. I drove it all the way to fucking Moore Park. 60 miles each way, barefoot. And when I can stretch my legs out or tuck my feet like behind the pedals or whatever, different sensation at the end of that trip than trying to drive it with the shoes on where I have that extra, you know, half, three quarter inch on that pedal.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  It's so, it's interesting for people like just highlighting how different everybody is. You and I have, I think have the same inseam.

• 32:40Matt Farah?

  32?

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, I'm a 30. Okay. That's different.

• 32:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. 30, I'm 31, 32 inseam depending on.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  An inch different, but it's pretty like.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  But that inch dude, it's nothing and it's everything.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a big difference. Not just the inch, but also the fact that specifically Porsche's pedal box is wider. There's no engine up there, you might notice. And so even if I'm wearing these NBs, which you see my new NBs, these are the 1000s, these are kind of fun. Even when I'm wearing NBs, I can put my left foot between the brake pedal and the dead pedal all the way down.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  And the Aston didn't, didn't have a space.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  You do feel like you're sitting.

• 33:21Matt Farah?

  A little closer.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  You know, like in a Formula One car in this thing, like the tunnel is really tall. The, I mean, the door cells on everything now are really tall, but I felt like I was really sunk down in the car. Some people, Harris famously, really like to sit as low as possible.

• 33:35Matt Farah?

  I do too.

• 33:36Speaker 01

  I like a little more visibility, like sometimes, you know, people are looking just over the top of the wheel. And I want to be able to see more than that, but um, this thing, the hips on this thing are very wide.

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  It looks like overhead view of this and 911, it'd be very interesting. I don't know off the top of my head the measurements, but like this almost looks like a rear engine car.

• 33:54Matt Farah?

  It's probably not, yeah, I bet you like the stag, the, the wheel, uh, tire proportions are not that different.

• 34:03Matt Farah?

  A 911 will have this thing from zero to 60. Obviously the traction is going to be an issue here versus a 911. But uh, beyond that, if you got, if you got two, two buddies, you know, dicing it up on a canyon road, or if you've got uh, two, two people at a track day running lap times. I, I think it's going to come down to driver. I think, I think the better driver could drive the car, either of the cars faster. Um, I don't think they're, I mean, they, it might be, you know, a small number of, a small amount of time a lap difference if the Stig is doing it or something, but like on any given track day, the better driver will be faster in either this

• 34:45Matt Farah?

  or an equivalently loaded up 911 GTS. I think a 911 Turbo S would probably be quicker than this on a track. I think it's capable of that.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Definitely. Also all wheel drive.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  All wheel drive.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Super clever, everything.

• 34:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 34:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Um, 2025, the rear track width of the Vantage was 65.2 and uh, 2025 GTS rear track width is 61.2.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  Huh.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  So.

• 35:12Matt Farah?

  Requires more.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Requires more, actually, which is when I backed it into my garage, I was really paying attention to those walls.

• 35:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, got big hips in there. Yeah. Fucking cool car. Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Cool thing.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  Uh, I guess we'll talk about the M2CS next show. We should, we should say, we should, should we talk about Dream Cruise?

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  This year, Zach and I are changing it up a little bit. We're not gonna go to Car Week. Instead, we're gonna go to Detroit for the Woodward Dream Cruise. Uh, I have rented, uh, say, beautiful house. Uh, I'm not gonna say exactly where it is, but it is very affordable. God, what a terrible fucking picture they used to promote this. That makes it look like a boring ass sock hop Cars and Coffee, doesn't it?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  It does.

• 35:58Matt Farah?

  If you don't know what this is, I've been before, like, 10 years ago. It's, it's pretty fun. It's the same weekend every year's Pebble Beach. It's in Detroit. And on Woodward Avenue, like, for like, not the entire length of Woodward, but like, miles and miles of it. It basically becomes, uh, anything is street legal. Whatever, you know, historical car, yeah, one of those, yeah, that's even the Wikipedia page is better. The thousands and thousands of cars, like, you know, we talk about Pebble Beach traffic is, is a crazy place to find yourself, right? You could be in traffic in Pebble Beach and there's a Ferrari 250 LM next to you and

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  there's a 73 RS that raced in period in front of you and like, that's a crazy thing, but you do that enough, you need to change. This is, imagine that same traffic. The same level of like, surrounded by craziness, but it's not the shit you see at Pebble Beach.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:57Matt Farah?

  It's tuner cars and crazy muscle cars and a guy that built a fucking sleigh that's towed by eight Harley Davidsons that he's somehow controlling. You like, I, I like to joke that the word contraption is never used at Pebble Beach, but it is in Detroit. And even in this photo, which is just pulled off Wikipedia, look, the parked on the sidewalk, you've got, you've got tens of thousands of people lining the sidewalk. Just watching people cruise their crazy shit back and forth. And then you've got car shows the whole way. Yeah. They're open to the public. Almost nothing is ticketed. You've got like Pantera Club here. I'm a huge fan. It goes all the way down the street. Dude, there's like, yeah, there's like 30 Panteras right there. And there's, look, there's a C4 Corvette with a Greenwood kit.

• 37:42Matt Farah?

  There's some kind of bizarre little yellow hot rod thing behind it. There's a, I see a Porsche. I see a 911 cab back there. I see another C3 Corvette. At the traffic light, is that like a Diablo or something, that gray thing? Like, there's like a prototype? Yeah, what is that? Uh, I think it's a C5. Oh, is it? It looked like something kind of wedgie. It does look wedgie, but the front looks C5 to me. But you will absolutely see Italian, classic Italian exotics and crazy shit. Oh, a police cruiser with some kind of giant drag setup. I love it. So, anyway, we think this would be fun. Hell, yeah. A change of pace, something different to do, see and talk about. We got a house. Uh, oh, is that a map, uh, up top?

• 38:27Matt Farah?

  Oh, dude, that's this photo. What a great photo. This is the kind of shit, this was 20, from 2020. Sorry. But that photo was, dude, look at all this stuff we can find in this one photo. Oh, this is gold. So, you've got a, a, a, starting from the bottom, right? You've got a Trans Am 70 something with a giant blower. Hell, yes. You've then got like maybe some kind of Roush Mustang convertible next to it. A, an Acura NSX 2017. There's an Excalibur. There's like a, a, a Unimog with a bunch of dudes rolling, rolling in the back. Buick, not often seen today. Buick. Yeah, 66. Maybe a GTO or a Monza. Looks like a 66 GTO convertible.

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  Then behind it, some weird Bel Air modified thing. That's terrible, but that's what that, yeah, that's like a 58 Bel Air with a Corvette grill and that's just a bad, that's a, that's a contraption. Then a F1 50 with fucking MAGA flags on it.

• 39:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then some kind of

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Formula Firehawk, maybe?

• 39:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Trans Ami, and then a Challenger, maybe a Red Eye or a Demon.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Oh, it's over here now.

• 39:35Matt Farah?

  And then a muscle cars, there's an Eldo.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  Right? Fintail Caddy going the other way. So this is just, this is one random snapshot of a thing.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  I'm so about it. I mean, I used to go to Hot August Nights like annually for a couple of years, and this is like a much bigger version of that, which will have, is have way more cars. Well, not more cars, probably a wider diversity of cars.

• 39:58Matt Farah?

  Well, it's just a different vibe. It's a totally different

• 40:01Speaker 01

  And they do the, do they still do the Roadkill Nights, like drag race down the street?

• 40:04Matt Farah?

  I think so.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Awesome, crazy.

• 40:05Matt Farah?

  And so I've, I've put in a few phone calls to, to people that might be able to get us interesting and unique cars to cruise in. You know what I haven't called? The guys with the Drift Hummer.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  That thing's nuts.

• 40:22Matt Farah?

  The Drift Hummer was pretty good. That was pretty good.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, Cummins Diesel, right?

• 40:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was a Cummin, uh, no, it was a Duramax, 1,000 horsepower Duramax with an Allison gearbox and a rear drive conversion.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  It was very good. So, uh, I, and I do have one story idea that's, that's very, uh, that I don't want to even talk about until I know if it's going to happen or definitively not happen. But, um, anyway, the reason I bring it up is because I'm sure we have some fans in Detroit. And so if, if any of you guys know about interesting things, and please don't give us like, don't say Roadkill Nights. If you know some like interesting, cool, local shit that's going down in Detroit for Dream Cruise, specifically stuff that's, um, I would say in the sort of Royal Oak to Birmingham corridor, which is I think where we're going to be probably spending most of our time.

• 41:20Matt Farah?

  Do let us know in the comments or, or whatever. And I'm, I'm trying to see if there's a way we can do a live show there. So we'll see, but we do have the house, which is a starting point. And yeah, people, if, if people are a little burnt out on Pebble Beach, I think this is going to be a fun, a really fun alternative. It's so different.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:44Matt Farah?

  And like, the question will be, If we get our trailer, do we end up like hauling like the Manx or something out there? Does that become something that's worthwhile?

• 41:55Speaker 01

  The Manx would be a good thing to cruise around there.

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  It would.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  It fits in.

• 41:58Matt Farah?

  It would.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:59Matt Farah?

  But it's a long, you know, it's probably like a three day, it's, no, I drove the fucking Taycan back from there. It's four days.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  And you're towing now.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I was driving an EV, so that's the same.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  That's the same.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Average speed, man.

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  That's a fucking wash, dude.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Average speed.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no, I, you know, oof, four days.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  It's a long time.

• 42:18Matt Farah?

  No, if I had to, I would just ship it, but um, I don't want to tow it that far. That's, that's just a waste of fucking time. But um, anyway, shout out to Detroit. We, I love, I love Detroit. I don't care what anybody says. No, I'm just kidding.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 42:32Matt Farah?

  I do love Detroit.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  I mean, I just haven't been there in 10 years.

• 42:34Matt Farah?

  Detroit is a city full of flavor. It's a good time.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:38Matt Farah?

  And Dream Cruise is the best time to be there. It's a total, total shit show.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Just, I mean, how many people show up for this thing? It's gotta be hundreds and hundreds of thousands, right?

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and it's not like, it's not like, you know, the, the Tour de Elegance, right? Which is the thing that if you want to win a trophy at Pebble Beach Concourse, you have to do this drive down Big Sur and back, and you have to complete it in order to, to win. Not to show, but to win. And so watching it is fabulous. You pull over on the side of this extraordinarily beautiful place and the, these fucking $10 million, you know, Gilded Era shit comes by and race cars and you, you've seen the photos, you know what it is. But it's like, an hour. You know, it, it, it happens and then it's over. This, from Thursday until Sunday morning, this is going on. It doesn't turn off. I mean, maybe it turns off kinda like three in the morning.

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  I don't know, I was asleep last time, but like, far as I know, it doesn't turn off. And the house I got is walking distance from Woodward. So like, we can get absolutely fucking shithoused at our, at our house, and then just walk over to Woodward with a Yeti cooler. I mean, I can't imagine there's open container laws in this city. There's basically no laws in this.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  No, not during this. We saw plenty of people sitting on the sidewalk, just, you know. If you have a cup that looks like nothing.

• 43:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, post up.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:59Matt Farah?

  We, look what we have, buddy.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be a fucking rum August.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  I was just curious about the scale. So the hot August nights loop is four miles long. The Woodward Dream Cruise is 16 miles long. That's how, so that many more cars, that many more people hanging out.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Whoa. That's crazy.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  Dude, it's so, like, I, the last time I went, it, it took me something like an hour and a half to do a lap. Like, it was, it was like, it was like a whole, a whole morning, basically.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause you're, you're at idle speed, right?

• 44:35Matt Farah?

  Basically.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:36Matt Farah?

  I mean, unless you find yourself at the front and then you're obligated to like hammer down two gears.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  No one is trained for this like us, us, cause we live here, you know? Stop and go traffic for 16 miles, we've done it.

• 44:47Matt Farah?

  We are pros.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  And then what's crazy is you go like a couple of blocks off of Woodward either way and it's like back to normal Detroit.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:54Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's not like you have to deal with the traffic to go anywhere. Like you go just a couple of blocks and then it's like just.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  It's a bigger city, whereas Monterey is, it's kind of traffic everywhere, cause there's only a few pla, few ways to get around the city.

• 45:08Matt Farah?

  And I love Car Week, but I just, I looked and it's been, uh, it's been nine years in a row I've gone. So, it's, and I've gone like 14 of the last 16 years. So like, I think it's, uh, and actually the two years I didn't go, fucking went to, I went to this.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Car Week every time, yeah. I'm excited.

• 45:31Matt Farah?

  So, uh, yeah, we gotta, we're gonna, we need, we need a couple of things, uh, we need a car to cruise. And then we need to figure out, you know, what, uh, what we can get that's a, that's a cool enough daily. So even when we're not cruising, we're still rolling.

• 45:46Matt Farah?

  You know, obviously it's gonna have to be something American because all those cars are there, but, and we're gonna maybe, maybe have wives and maybe have friends. So it'll probably have to be something big, but.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  So Escalade V.

• 45:56Matt Farah?

  It'll be Escalade V. Basically what I'm saying is we're gonna have, we're going to require an Escalade V is what I'm saying. Yeah.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Burning through gas so fast.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, less, I don't know.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Idling in traffic or just.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  The TRX, the new, the new TRX will get like one mile per gallon.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Well, we're gonna have, uh, you booked it, we're, I, we're, you booked it, we're going to Road America. You're, you're racing.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Well, even if I'm not racing, I'm going.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  I'm coming over.

• 46:25Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, imagine you fly all the way, and you actually know.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  The license falls through.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  Johnny, Johnny is out, and, uh, and you are in, and, uh, and so, yeah, team, it's gonna be you and I, and fucking Tato Seiderman and Tommy Kendall.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Rad. Amazing.

• 46:39Matt Farah?

  Your first race with a competition license is gonna be with Tommy Kendall.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  So cool.

• 46:43Matt Farah?

  That rules.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Never would've dreamed this in my life.

• 46:45Matt Farah?

  And you'll, you'll likely be handing the car off to him. Cause it's probably gonna be Tato, me, you. Well, I don't know.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 46:53Matt Farah?

  Last time that was, it was, it was gonna be Tato, me, Johnny, Tommy, but then Johnny tapped out, so it was just me, but it would probably be Tato, me, you.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Cool, whatever.

• 47:02Matt Farah?

  Whatever, it's gonna be fun.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  That's rad.

• 47:04Matt Farah?

  Amazing racetrack.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Do we?

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Dodge got us a Hellcat Durango.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:09Matt Farah?

  To get from Chicago to the track, and then to run practice laps.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Dude, Tato, the day I went over there to do sim training with him, he's like, "How do you think the, um, Durango will be like, on the track?" And I go, "What do you mean?" And he goes, "Like, how do you think it will handle some of this stuff?" And after, this was after he had shown me like, his line and hitting these bumps, and I was like, "You mean like, curbing?" He goes, "Yeah." Like, I knew he was asking something without asking, and I go, "I don't think you should do it four up first. I think you should do it one person, because..." And then I explained to him moose test, and gross vehicle weight limits, and how center of gravity, like, and, and, and he had never heard of the moose test, and I go, "Well, let me tell you how this works." So I think he should go out by himself and see before he starts doing school.

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  I don't think Tato's signing the fuck, I don't think he's signing the loan agreement. He is definitely not insured to drive this vehicle on a racetrack. Absolutely fucking not.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Then you, you can do the, uh, cause you know, we can do the taxi laps.

• 48:04Matt Farah?

  Bro, I am 100% capable of this, yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  You are.

• 48:09Matt Farah?

  I am, and I have precedent, I rode America with the Trackhawk.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  I was, and, and you, no, excuse me, rode Atlanta with the Trackhawk, and you absolutely can take an extremely generous, not necessarily the exit, you don't wanna, cause you don't want your outside loaded up rear tire in grass.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  What you can do is cut the apex extremely generously, to where, if you're turning, let's say you're turning left, only the half of your right tires need to be on tarmac, and like, the rest of the vehicle can be basically in grass.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Four-wheel drive.

• 48:44Matt Farah?

  Go watch my Trackhawk video. It's from, I don't know, 2019, 18 maybe, 17 maybe, but it's basically the same shit.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so we're going to Dream Cruise and we're going racing at Road America. You can actually, if you're in that area and you want to come say hi during the race, like you can, we will be there.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Tickets are cheap. Someone, a fan hit us up, it's like $10.

• 49:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, to get the WRL, of course.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  It's a really cheap ticket and you can get a day pass or, yeah, and it's all access and you can get like a weekend pass for $18 or something like that, so very affordable.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  Speaking of racing, did you see the press release this morning? This Ford GT Mark IV ran a 616 at the Nürburgring.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  What?

• 49:25Matt Farah?

  Technically, it was like 615, like 97 or something, but we'll call that a 616. And, yeah, so third fastest time ever and fastest gas-only car.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Third fastest time ever for what, like, category?

• 49:45Matt Farah?

  Well, ever, behind the Volkswagen ID, whatever the fuck thing.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  And then the 919 Evo?

• 49:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, those two, and then this. And they also, which is amazing, I mean, and fastest petrol ever is also amazing. They also like made, kind of made up another fun, fun statistic in the press release. They said also, "It's the fastest vehicle ever that you can buy." Which is a total, that is, that is the first time anyone has ever made that distinction as regards Nürburgring time. So I applaud their PR department for making up a new statistic to crown themselves king of.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  There's this guy...

• 50:25Matt Farah?

  It can be really instantly invalidated, by the way, if Volkswagen just sells the IDR to somebody, anybody.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  It's like when they make up Guinness World Records. Like, there's this crazy stunt guy I follow on Instagram and he's like, "New world record." And what he did is they rode, guy strapped to car, he's, he's operating a motorcycle next to him, no rider on it, at like 150, and then he sends the motorcycle off a ramp, and then he's still strapped to the car. So they just sent, they just ghost-rolled a motorcycle at like 150 off a ramp, and he's like, "New distance record." And I went...

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  For unmanned motorcycle?

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Previous record's probably zero. Yes, for unmanned motorcycle jump. Yeah, guys like Shibota.

• 51:01Matt Farah?

  Motorcycle distance record.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  I'll find it for you, but making up records, they all do it these days. But that is.

• 51:10Matt Farah?

  But also, I mean, look, that's also, it's also really stretching the quote "that you can buy." They made, I think, 67 of these things.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Well, it doesn't look street.

• 51:21Matt Farah?

  It's not street legal. No, no, they don't claim it's street legal. It's fast as "that you can buy."

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:28Matt Farah?

  Which, I mean, maybe there's an implication there. But, I mean, it's a fucking sick car and that's a crazy time.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Did they make, is this all new body panels in the back? These intakes look even bigger than on the regular GT.

• 51:41Matt Farah?

  I think they have changed some things. But that also might be like the most perfect angle.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  Of it. No, I think they're bigger. I think they might be bigger on the Mark IV.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  These, this whole gap looks bigger, but.

• 51:53Matt Farah?

  And also, the front bumper doesn't seem to have headlights.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  No, no, there's no headlights. I think these are just tape and intakes, nacoducks.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  But, that said. What's the powertrain? Is it still the same?

• 52:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, effect, yeah. I mean, I think it has, it has more power than the road car, but it's not, it's not a different engine.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  I mean, because the IDR is full electric. And the 919 Evo is hybrid.

• 52:17Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  So it's pretty rad that it's closing in and it's just gasoline.

• 52:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 52:23Matt Farah?

  Crazy, right?

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Really crazy.

• 52:24Matt Farah?

  Good for them. Six fucking 16.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  I saw it last week.

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  6159 something, something. We'll just call it 616, but like, god, motherfucking damn.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  I think Ford's GTD unofficially beat the ZR1's time.

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I saw that. But I, well, someone, somebody, somebody said they did that. Uh, but then I thought that maybe it was a mistaken story and they actually should have been.

• 52:54Matt Farah?

  It was actually this and they heard the rumor wrong. Oh. You know what I mean? Well, I don't know. I think if Ford actually did it, they probably would have just said like, why, why not say it if you do it? I don't know. I'll look it up. We got the time. The fastest road registered car on the list was the MG1. 629, which, you know, sort of barely rode legal there, but, oh, power is up on the mark four to 789 from 650. Whoa. And it has a sequential gearbox. So, you know, yeah, obviously it's a race car. So it's got race car shit. That's amazing. Yeah. Good for them. 6 minute 15 977. Fuckity fuck. That's kinda crazy, isn't it? It's very crazy. That's kinda crazy. Okay. And before we go to the people, because we're gonna go

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  to the people, get this, Zach. I called Shant over at CMS Motorsports. I look at your car there every day. Our friend, you drive by it. I walk by it and I look for progress. Yeah. Do you see any? No. Okay. That's because there hasn't been any, but there has been some. You just haven't seen it. Got it. Right? I know what you're saying. It's because... I know there was, there were ideas developing. What we're doing is building a ballroom. No.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  It got cancelled recently. No. So they have another shop in the valley, because of course you do. When you're in Armenia, you always have another shop in the valley. Well, and the place here is It's tiny. Small. Right. So I call him and I was like, hey, man, you know, and the last, when we last left off, it was a month ago, and he said, when doing the powertrain swap, and again, if you're just, if you're just hearing this the first time, I got a free Mercedes 124 Cabriolet, and I'm trying to make it awesome on the kinda cheap. That's what I'm trying to do. And my friend Shant, who owns CMS Motorsports, maybe you've seen him, he's one of, one of if not the most ridiculous Mercedes-Benz builders in the country. He

• 54:48Matt Farah?

  does all these insane Euro tuner cars, pre-merger AMGs. He collects all these cars and these parts. At Pebble last year, he built a shooting brake, wide body like AMG Hammer. That was just so cool. Yeah. And so And so Won the awards. He's very creative and his team is very talented. And so, anyway, I was, he's wanted to do something with me. I've wanted to do something with him. This fucking free Mercedes fell into my lap and I said, well, wouldn't it be cool if we took this E320? And turned it into the 500E Cabrio that Mercedes never made.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  Sean was like, fuck to the yes, my brother. So, first step is a V8 and a five-speed automatic gearbox. The M119, which is the 500E 4-Cam V8, is actually like not a great engine. I mean, it's a fine engine, but it's like you don't need a 4-Cam engine for a car that's gonna putter around in traffic. What you want is torque. And so, and also, the 320, which my car is, has a different length of engine compartment than the original 500E. It was longer. The M119 is a physically big engine. What you actually want is the E55's engine from 99 to 01.

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  That, the round, the four-eyed square, the first E55. 369 horsepower, naturally aspirated, 5.5-liter V8. That's the engine that you want, okay? It's physically smaller and it is incredibly robust.

• 56:30Matt Farah?

  And so, anyway, that's the engine we got. I didn't realize that there were some other like key differences. And so, he, what he was doing was gonna build, his brother was building something similar to this out of a coupe. So, he was like, we're gonna do it, and if it works good, then we just do it for your car. So, to make the engine work, it's smaller, it fits, you also use the gearbox, it fits. But this 2000, 2001 E55 is throttled by wire. And also has digital gauges. And like, so, and they, he wants it to look stock. So, so he told me, and I thought, I thought he was just gonna finish his brother's car, and then we'd come back to mine and whatever.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  He got very, a very short way into his brother's car when he said, you know, this would just go better if we build both cars at the same time. And just do, do double everything. You know, we do it on this car. If it works, we just brrp brrp right on this car. So, he's a little further than I thought. So, they have two E55 engines running on stands. Wow. They have two functional wiring harnesses. They're still trying to figure out the gauges. But they have running engines on stands. They have gearboxes and so they actually sort of have a lot of the mechanicals needed for the powertrain to operate to go, which surprised the shit out of me.

• 57:55Matt Farah?

  I didn't think they were anywhere there. They also have all four replacement body panels ready. Whoa. Like, they're not- Oh shit. Yeah. He's like, "Your front and rear quarter panels are done too." Like, you're getting close to install time for this stuff. Yeah. Whoa. And he was like, uh, he was like, "So yeah, like, next week, you should come, like, see where we're at." And I was like, "Wait, really?" Like, we're like, "You've made bodies?" He's like, "Oh yeah, we've made..." He's like, "This is going to be an all steel E55. It's gonna look just like Mercedes made it." But it's, you know, but it's gonna have this, this better engine. And I was like, "Shit, we need to go see the material guy. We gotta, we gotta do leathers. We gotta do inlays. We gotta do, uh, you know,

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  make sure we order that, the fabric, the right fabric that we like. Um, get that shit done." Dude, that's crazy. Cause when I walk by, like, it still looks like this. Yeah, no, he hasn't put any of the things on the car yet. But they've got all the parts ready. But he's assembling a bunch of shit, yeah. Whoa. I don't know if he's got the front and rear bumper handy yet, but I think, he didn't need to make those. He just bought those. But the fenders he had to make, right? The fenders he had to make because the, you know, because this is a two-door and the E55 was a four-door, you can't just make the, the way it meets with the doors is completely different. So, you make it look just like the E55 fender, or the, excuse me, the 500E fender, but you make it by hand. Yeah. Nice. But out of metal. Yeah. That's great. Which is rad.

• 59:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. And, and the hood, the hood, the trunk lid are both staying. They're fine. And, uh, yeah. So, that's, that's pretty sweet. It's happening. Dude, that's cool. A lot further than we thought, huh? Yeah. Crazy. Alright, so I wanna go to the people, but man, it's been an, I really, what is wrong with me?

• 59:44Matt Farah?

  I chugged a little bit of water before, and now I have to pee. That's how it works. Will you, uh, will you plug everything they get with Patreon? Sure.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Boom. If you're a new listener, what you get on Patreon is pretty awesome. For a long time, people were asking us, "Hey, can I get that episode sooner than when it would go up on public?" "When is that episode going up?" People were really excited about it. So if you join Patreon, depending on the tier you sign up for, you can get an ad-free experience, listening and watching. You can also get the shows early, right after we record them, instead of waiting a day, a week, a month, until it's time to drop them to the public. You can also get exclusive or early access to rad collabs, like the Notice Watches that Matt has designed. And top-tier people, champion tier, you can get our car review videos ad-free.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  And we also are starting to pepper in some BTS stuff, some polls, asking people for feedback on our content or style of things. You get a whole bunch of stuff. It's over at patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast. Tiers start at just three bucks.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  And now what do we do? While he's urinating.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:15Matt Farah?

  Did you keep them entertained?

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:01:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah?

• 1:01:19Matt Farah?

  That's right. Okay. What do we have going on here? Did you already tell them what they get with the Patreon? So I don't have to do that, you're saying?

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  You don't have to do it, I did it.

• 1:01:28Matt Farah?

  Wow, that's a relief. Nishant Ketterpaul says, "Any thoughts on this car replacement? Replacing an Audi S4, B8.5 Audi S4 with 100,000 miles, with a 50,000-mile Mark 7 Golf R, Mark 7.5 Golf R manual, year-round driver in Michigan."

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 1:01:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 1:01:56Matt Farah?

  That's fine?

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  I think that's fine.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. This question's more complicated.

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  "And in SoCal, what should replace a high-mile Maserati Quattroporte S that will surely need very expensive repairs soon? Four-door automatic and not so collectible, so a bit of abuse is fine for 50 to 100K."

• 1:02:19Matt Farah?

  I mean, I would say almost any lightly used AMG car. There's so many E63s and CLS63s or even, you know, GLE63s and all that shit. 50 to 100K gets you all of that.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  All of them. They start cheaper than that if you want to.

• 1:02:44Matt Farah?

  Dude, you could probably get a lightly used E63 wagon for that.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Yes, absolutely could.

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  That would be my jam.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  That's what I would do. I feel like that's the Maserati flavor versus anything from BMW or Audi.

• 1:02:56Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. I mean, there might be a brand-new Alfa Giulia left on the lot somewhere.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  That's true. Like a Quattroporte. You get the fast one, brand-new.

• 1:03:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, a Quadrifolio.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Quadrifolio, sorry, yeah.

• 1:03:12Matt Farah?

  LL Cool Bean says, "With Metallica scheduled to play at Sphere later this year, I'm wondering what would be each of your dream shows to see there." I mean, fucking Metallica is not far off. I'm going to that.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  Uh, you are?

• 1:03:27Matt Farah?

  Metallica with Sphere, yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  I texted Christian to see if it's gonna be a good one.

• 1:03:30Matt Farah?

  It's going to be.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Do you have dates set and shit?

• 1:03:32Matt Farah?

  No, but I, you know, our person who was there is Christian's person. And I'm friendly with her as well, and she's fabulous.

• 1:03:45Matt Farah?

  If it had only been like a month or two since we saw you two, I would probably text her directly. But it's been like a year, and I haven't seen her, and I don't want to be like, "Hey, hey," you know? I kind of want Christian to ask for me. So I'm flexible on the dates, and we are going. I'm just, I'm waiting to find out. I'm keeping it open. Do you have a dream show there that would be, I mean, I'll, you mean if you?

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Ask if I can go. When I saw Metallica was playing there, I texted Christian also. And I said, "Is this gonna be a good one?"

• 1:04:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Because there's so many variables with the shows there. And he said, "Yes."

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Yes, it is.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  That will be rad. I also, I always thought the Sphere would be good for more. I don't know, like slower music because the visuals can really play, but I don't really know. But I thought Glass Animals would be cool, something like that where it's a little, little trippy. If they really spent the time on the visual side of it.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they probably could. You'd have, you'd need a budget that I'm not sure Glass Animals could pull off. But like, I'd see where your head is at there. I think Nine Inch Nails.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  That would be insane.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  Fucking epic, because you have Trent's creativity and, and I think the music would lend itself well to that.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Matt Farah?

  Metallica is going to be crazy, because you know, when I saw, when I went to that, um, the Power Trip festival thing. The Treatment, which is the, the company that is doing a lot of the Sphere stuff, did Metallica's set at this festival. And it was bananas.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:05:12Matt Farah?

  The, the visuals that they did for an outdoor festival were about the best I've ever seen.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  I had no idea that Metallica would have visuals besides just zooming in on their faces. Like, I didn't, didn't expect that.

• 1:05:23Matt Farah?

  No, they, I mean, they had the whole, it was fucking crazy.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:05:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was really cool, really cool. And they had a lot of fire. I don't know if you can do fire in Sphere, but you need to be a, you need to be a big band to pull off that venue. And you also can't be like, well, The Dead, you either can't be an improv band, or you need to like be an improv band. Like The Dead, I know what they had to do to make that. They had to like make so much more than they needed, because they might be like, let's play, let's make this.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Stretch this song, shrink this song.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  And so they had to make the, the, the visuals much more like flick, flexible than U2 did, where it was incredibly like precise.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Matt Farah?

  Metallica is precise. I've seen Metallica three times. I don't think I've ever seen a band that's more precise than Metallica.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Even Lars.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  Dude, go with Cory. Cory, when he came, he hates law.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  I know he does.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  So much. It's so funny.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Uh, that's rad. I think, I would throw a curveball. I bet a symphony there with the right crazy visuals and maybe some enhancements would be good.

• 1:06:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. No, bring your drugs, for sure.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  I would never.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  No, certainly not CrossFit.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  I would never.

• 1:06:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, Afila, great disturbance in the first.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  This name is so good.

• 1:06:43Matt Farah?

  That's really good.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Cancel that project. That's one of my favorite names.

• 1:06:47Matt Farah?

  That was a really bad name. No, the username is good. Afila for a car.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Terrible name for a car. Commercials were weird. Great username.

• 1:06:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Your pets not included, your own pets not included, best cat and best dog among auto journalists. That's cold. Judge people's cats?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  I haven't met any journalist dogs, I don't think.

• 1:07:09Matt Farah?

  Hmm. I've got it. I must have met journalist dogs. Doesn't, um...

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:07:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Like, we have friends that have dogs, but...

• 1:07:21Matt Farah?

  I'm not really sure other... Yeah, we don't see a lot of these folks in their own homes. Uh, journalist dogs.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Andrew Collins puts up photos of his dog a lot. It's a half Aussie, so that one.

• 1:07:32Matt Farah?

  Wes Siler.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Harris puts up photos of his, what is it? American Bulldog, like, living in the GT3?

• 1:07:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's got one of those, yeah. Uh, and Wes Siler, who was on the show, has, has, has dogs. Cats, obviously, Michael Tio Van Ronkel, who is the guy who, uh, along with his partner, adopted the three kittens that I found with Hannah in the tree. And those cats are unbelievable. I've never seen, like, the idea that one could randomly end up with those cats is crazy. They're so beautiful, so well behaved, and so social with strangers. Like, it's, they're amazing. Yeah, good cats, great cats. I wish I could have kept them. Coheed and Camber, oh, ace, superb, superb, mid 2000s reference.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  If I will, we will accept any and all 2000s alt-rock.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  What is Coheed referring to?

• 1:08:27Matt Farah?

  The band, Coheed and Cambria.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't know those were bands.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  You've never heard of a band, Coheed and Cambria? Um, they're kinda like, um, kinda like My Chemical Romance. They're, they're of that same, they're the, uh, uh, deep impact and, um, uh, what's the other fucking movie? Armageddon, the Armageddon and deep impact of that type of music.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:08:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, my parents have an 80s Fiat Spider 2000 and the engine feels pretty meh, no shit. I've heard the carb versions of these engines are loved, uh, but this one leaves me wanting so much more, even though the fuel-injected system is quote, "better." What are some other cars that would be better if they were worse? I mean, a lot of snobs will tell you that Lamborghini Countaches are better with carbs, but I don't necessarily agree with that.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think some cars, I don't know, I, I hear people say the sound of the carb makes it, but the cars I've driven that have carburetors are so loud exhaust-wise that I can't really hear the intake.

• 1:09:27Matt Farah?

  The Morgan 3-Wheeler, I hate to say, going to the Super 3, which they make now, it has a car engine and it, it's quieter and it has more power and it has more emissions, uh, excuse me, fewer emissions, I'm sorry, and it's more reliable, it's less vibraty, and all of those things make it worse than the motorcycle engine.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  You lost the umpa-da-thumpa-da steampunk thing.

• 1:09:50Matt Farah?

  Sorry, guys, you didn't know why we were here in the first place.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. Uh, I mean, a lot of new cars and they make them too stiff and the quest for lap times makes it worse for 90% of the people 99% of the time.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  Sure, like, like, like, respect to Ford and what they've done with this Ford GT, the Nürburgring, like, that's insane, but if I had to go spend a day, had to, if I got to spend a day and there's two cars in front of me and I'm going to drive, you know, the mountain passes in Switzerland, or our roads here, or I'm driving from here to Car week and I get to drive a current gen Ford GT or I get to drive an oh six Ford GT. I will take the oh six.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:10:32Matt Farah?

  So like it's slower, it has less power. It's a manual, it's not a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when they tried to race one, it was garbage as a race car, but, but it's better on the road. Cause it's worse.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Matt Farah?

  Okay, L L Cartier. I work mostly from home, but have to drive out of state once a month. I want to do it all car for long drives and quarterly track days. And I have racing experience, so the car needs to be legitimately fun. I'm thinking nine nine six Porsche, first gen M two, E ninety, M three. I've got thirty five grand and it's got to have a backseat big enough for a baby. Oof, okay, I, I really like the specificity of this. The car is pretty much for road trips and track days. So that's a tough thing because a lot of ways those are like kind of opposites.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  They are, but I think the cars he's listed, I mean, the, the duality, the dual ability of those is very.

• 1:11:31Matt Farah?

  I agree.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Is part of that car's ethos like, and you can get M twos, I'm looking at cars and bids. Around thirty grand with twenty six thousand miles on them.

• 1:11:39Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  I've talked to people that have these cars and they, they all profess the reliability of them. And I say, how many miles are on the car? Um, and it's like thirty thousand, they're, they're pretty fine. So that might be a good choice. Check the forums, but.

• 1:11:51Matt Farah?

  A first gen M two is a great choice. It really is. A nine nine six. It's not that there's anything wrong with it, but if it hasn't, if it doesn't have like service records, and I don't mean service records that are like the oil's changed and blah, blah. I mean, like at this point, the newest nine nine sixes need like bushings. And they should have had like motor mounts and like all the shit that comes up. These are twenty year old cars, so.

• 1:12:23Matt Farah?

  For you, like a great, great 996 that needs nothing is gonna be like 45, 50 grand, probably. You know, the kind that you're gonna like, road trip and track days are like two pretty high-pressure environments. You're gonna strain this car at the track and you're gonna be far from home.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 1:12:45Matt Farah?

  You know, a lot with this thing. And, and, and these are out-of-state drives probably for work or for something important, I'm guessing. So like, it's not that these cars aren't dependable, but like, the one you buy is gonna either have needs or you're gonna pay for the one that doesn't have needs. I know this because my neighbor just bought a 996 4S. And he's into it. It's a great color combo. It's got reasonably low miles and he got it for a good price. It's a, it's got like 60-some thousand miles. I think he paid 40 grand for it. But, right in the first like week, some things have like come up.

• 1:13:25Matt Farah?

  You know, like the check engine light is this, and he hit a bump and hurt a thing and now he needs to get it checked and, you know, just, just stuff like that.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Do you think an S would be more expensive than a 4S because it's less sought after?

• 1:13:37Matt Farah?

  There are no 996 Ss.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  Sorry, just not regular, rear-wheel drive?

• 1:13:41Matt Farah?

  Sure, it'll certainly be less expensive than a 4S.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  It'll be less expensive than a 4S.

• 1:13:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  But 35 grand is a low...

• 1:13:47Matt Farah?

  It doesn't matter. They all need something.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So like, your money, if you could buy like a five-year-old car or a four-year-old car for that kind of money versus a 20-year-old car, if you like need it as a car, you know what I mean, I would do that. Like my home, my neighbor like has a regular car. Like, so if this thing's in the shop, he's whatever, he's fine. Okay.

• 1:14:13Matt Farah?

  There's a, here's a question just exactly related to what we were just at. With 996 coupe prices now hitting 40K for the good ones, at what point is a 996 no longer quote "worth it"? Is it a 40K driving experience in 2026? Or are there other 2+2s that deliver a similar experience for that price? There are no cars that feel like 911s.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:38Matt Farah?

  There's no similar experience. Doesn't exist.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Because there's nothing else that's a rear engine.

• 1:14:42Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, to just, that's, that's, that's why that car is what it is. There's nothing like it. There's no substitute, one might say.

• 1:14:53Matt Farah?

  But like 40K was 30K five years ago, like in like inflationary reasons. So like, everything else is like, is more expensive. It's not like there's some new option that's come out that's affordable, an affordable alternative to the 911. I mean, they're kind of just like, isn't. Sorry to say.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  I think this person has to write down, you have to remove the rear engine platform and feel from the equation and, and think about what else do you want from a driving experience? Like, do you want precise controls? Do you want speed? Do you want grip and handling? Do you want a quiet, a quiet interior on a highway? Like, other aspects that the 911 also has, can you get those somewhere else for 40 grand or less? Like, I think the M2 delivers a lot of those things, just as an example. But if you wanted like outright grip and maneuverability, you could drop to like a GR86, but it's not going to be quiet on the highway like a 911. Doesn't have the, and doesn't have the curb presence of a 911. So you have to look at other things you want, because 40 grand's pretty cheap.

• 1:15:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  It's a low budget.

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and, you know, either you can pay, pay for a good one, or you can get a cheaper one and have to put question mark, you know, into it once you get it home. My, my fucking poor physical therapist got this 996, also a 4S, and dude, the cat blew out like a thousand miles into him owning it. And an OEM replacement cat was like $9,000. And even the MagnaFlow, like, you know, carb, he wants to pass smog. He's like, no, this isn't a fucking, this guy's not like a hot rod guy. He's a fucking physical therapist. The, the MagnaFlow replacement that would pass carb, it was about 3,800, still a huge

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  amount of money, but it was backordered for like, four months. And so Homie's car just sat at BBI, who felt very bad, but like, couldn't do anything. And he had to, you know, he had to do a bunch of stuff to this car. He had to have the shifter linkage adjusted, do the service, the cats, have, just have the, the, the car like corner weighted because it had coilovers on it, but they were like, set up all fucked up. So, you know, he bought this car and then he had to do immediately, within a thousand miles, like seven, eight thousand dollars worth of shit, and then the car had to sit for a while.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  You know, 10 to 20% of the value of the car. Yeah. And that hurts because you go, I wasn't planning, when you bought a car, you wanted to spend X. You didn't, if you, if you knew you were going to have to spend 20% of that right afterwards, maybe you would have just bought a more expensive car.

• 1:17:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, so. Chef Carl's spice tolerance, going to, going to Tuscany for a month in the fall, doing a food wine tour, that sounds all right. Uh, is it worth trying to rent an interesting car, bike, or scooter while I'm there? Or is the transit and walking situation good enough? Well, I mean, i- if you're staying in Tuscany for a month,

• 1:17:50Matt Farah?

  uh, the food wa- alright, so, this sounds awesome, by the way, congrats. Uh, if you're doing the food wine tour, presumably they are going to bring you to the places you need to go, I hope. So, you don't need any transport for that, I think. Having said that, when Hannah and I went to Tuscany for our food and wine school slash tour, we did rent a little hatchback, Alfa Giulietta, it was fairly shit, it was not that fun. Um, but, at the moments that we weren't, you know, required to be at a place, like, we did have options. And then, once the school ended, we did drive around to some different places and drive to Rome and whatever.

• 1:18:34Matt Farah?

  So, like, ha- yeah, having, having transport, if you're in Tuscany for a month, you, is probably good, because there's villages. And you, you, in between the villages, I'm sure there's some kind of transit, but like, if you've got the budget to rent a little something, something, you probably want to. Yeah, it's amazing. You can hike, but there's like the wine trail, and you can like hike the wine trail between the villages, which is awesome. I love Tuscany. The user formerly known as Donnie's Cellmate, as men who had their, uh, early to mid twenties, in one of the roughest times in American history, what general advice do you have for?

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 1:19:14Matt Farah?

  Right. 20, 25-year-olds going through our more formative years of adulthood right now?

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Shit.

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, I, I was, I was 26, uh, when the 08 crash happened, so, I, I certainly saw, saw one of them, uh, when I was in my twenties. Dude, I don't fucking know.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  A lot of unpredictables, you know, with.

• 1:19:41Matt Farah?

  Well, there is one thing that's predictable, and that's that people will continue eating and shitting. So if you get into an industry that involves people eating or shitting, you will be foolproof.

• 1:19:54Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, I don't know, man. We should probably ask my dad that because he's been through like five recessions. My dad, when I talked about the economic situation right now, my dad liked to remind me that he bought our first house in New Jersey at 19% interest in 1979.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  For houses used to be a lot higher, the houses were cheaper and there's a whole thing there, but like, that is true.

• 1:20:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, but.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Say that.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  But I think, I don't know, patience, maybe.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  I think.

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  The power of compounding interest.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  I mean, that is a thing, like I'd say, start investing or start at least saving. That's what I'd say as someone in their twenties, like, I don't know, it's hard, you're not making any much money. And you want to do a lot of stuff, just save some money, like five or 10% of your paycheck. Even if you save it in cash, which is depreciating, because saving money now will give you options or security later. And that's something I wasn't able to do or figure out till I was like in my 30s.

• 1:20:58Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  And it can allow you to quit a job that's terrible or go back to school or a trade school to get a better job or do a different thing, like money gives you flexibility. And you can't, you probably won't have a lot of it in your twenties, but you can at least have some where it gives you less stress, some options.

• 1:21:17Matt Farah?

  That's a good point.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  I would say that, and look, there are like, to your point, Matt, there are going to be some jobs that will last through AI. The guy that's going around and he was like an AI programmer at Google is saying jobs in trades, like things that require hands.

• 1:21:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  He's like HVAC, robots are not going to be able to install, crawl in a crawl space, do that shit for decades, 100 years. Like getting a job like that, it'll pay well, it will be physical. It's not sitting at a computer, but which is probably a good idea. I mean, jobs that require some physical activity that a bolted in machining robot can't do is probably a good idea.

• 1:21:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, uh, built making things, building things, fixing things, you know, fixing people's, people's real world problems, you know? Also, like, you know, like you, you just said, I mean, with, with saving, I read this book recently, and it wasn't a fucking very good book, but, but, and I, I didn't get a lot out of it, so that's why I haven't really talked about it, but one passage that did work for me, and I'm not gonna be the guy who quotes the book, but he was talking about saving, and he basically said, you, you what, by saving, you're buying your future time. Like, which is a good way to think about, cause I think one of the problems, I hate to be, I'm not gonna be the guy who's like, "These kids don't wanna work."

• 1:22:34Matt Farah?

  Like, I, some of the people I talk to in other industries are very much like, "These kids don't wanna work," and I'm sort of like, "Look, if they don't see that their work is building to something, if they don't see that their company, or their society, or their city, or their civilization will somehow take care of them for the work that they're doing, but why would they try? Why wouldn't they just take every day off they can take, or, and whatever, and be a fucking slacker? Like, if it all seems bleak, then of course, what are you investing for?

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:08Matt Farah?

  So I like, understand that young people like, feel that way, and act, act, maybe act accordingly. Um, but yeah, if you can save money, what you're buying is your future time, which, you know, odds are you'll live long enough to want some. You know, like, odds are like, you'll, you'll, you'll wanna have some time in your future at some point, where you wanna be able to make a choice to, short term or long term, not work.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  So like, you kinda have to start early, if you don't wanna, you, you don't wanna find yourself at fucking forty-five with nothing. That's, that's shitty.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's real bad, cause you're, you will also have to continue eating and shitting.

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  And I, when I see people that are like Walmart greeters at advanced age, and, maybe some of them might be doing it cause they want something to do, but, to be Obligated to work at a very late age, I think would be really hard. And especially physically difficult, mentally difficult. And to put yourself in that, if you can prevent that position now, because you can if you're in 2025, even just with a little bit of savings and money, I would recommend that. And also go out and live and meet a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life and like, go make mistakes and expose yourself to lots of different stuff.

• 1:24:27Matt Farah?

  That too, that too. Do the Lancer Evolution, pretty good.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 1:24:32Matt Farah?

  When we think of douchey or trashy drivers, dudes in lifted trucks or G37s come to mind first. Maybe for you.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:41Matt Farah?

  In LA, in LA, they're 90% Model 3s.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:45Matt Farah?

  What do trashy women drive? This question can't get me in trouble at all.

• 1:24:52Matt Farah?

  What does a trashy woman?

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  I think it always depends on where you are, like regionally, in the city. You know, shitty people drive everything, some just have bigger budgets. So it depends on how you define trashy too.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Aircooled911 says, thinking about those hypercar collectors who rarely drive their cars. Do they service them based on mileage or time? And if time, would you be hesitant to buy a low mileage example versus a high mileage car? That's had more frequent servicing. A lot of those folks send the car to service once a year, whether it gets driven or not. So I imagine most cars you're buying in that. There's going to be a couple of shitters out there. There's going to be cars that have been, you know, crashed or fucking, oh, that one was, you know, Prince Jeffrey's fucking car. It's got glitter all over it and it's full of fucking sand or something.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  Maintenance skipped.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  No, I mean, we don't have a lot of hypercars here at West Side Collector Car Storage. We have a lot of high value air cooled stuff and your singers, your Gunthers, your roofs and stuff like that. And then your run of the mill quote, you know, supercars. The vast majority of these cars will go to service once a year, whether they're driven or not.

• 1:26:11Matt Farah?

  So it, it, miles don't bother me on cars. If I was, if I was McLaren shopping, I'd want some miles. I don't wanna, I don't want a car that's got 1,500 miles and sat for two years. I'll take a, I'll take an eight, nine thousand mile car that's, that's been through a few services and been through a set of tires and, you know.

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  Cause those, you know, seals, like you want that liquid splashing around to every part of the seal. If it just sits and then gets serviced, there's stuff deeper in the engine or in the diff or whatever, that's just not really getting any attention from like the liquids and it might dry out quicker.

• 1:26:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Ideally, a car does, you know, thousand to 2,000 miles a year, you know, kind of minimum. Keeps things moving. Uh, dude, uh, elitist Arowan shopper says, thoughts on the refreshed 2026 Lexus IS? Um, uh, you know what's so funny? I didn't even know there was a refresh. I was driving down La Brea the other day and I saw this weird looking Lexus front end and I was like, what? Is that a prototype? What is it? And no, it was the facelifted IS, which has a very Prius-like nose on it? Is that, would you describe that? It's, it looks like a Toyotaized front end, more so than a Lexus.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  I see like, I see like GR Corolla and Prius in this front end more than I see Lexus.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  I wonder if Toyota has come to, I mean, it still has the giant mouth.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  It does.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  That Lexus started. Um, I think it's a pretty good looking car.

• 1:27:41Matt Farah?

  You know, I'm not saying it's bad. I just, I, I, I saw this on the street and I was like, oh shit, I guess Lexus went and did it without telling your boy over here, so.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  Wait, let me see 2026. I think the Prius has, oh, come on Toyota.

• 1:27:57Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I feel, I feel like it, I mean, obviously it's a bigger, it's a much bigger grill, but from the, the, the middle section up, I think it's got, uh, some Prius in it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  This hood looks very GR and 86 to me. The bolt, which I think it's a good looking.

• 1:28:12Matt Farah?

  You know what? You're right. It's more, it's more 86 and GR Corolla than it is Prius.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, but I, I, with you, I didn't know they were gonna refresh it, keep it going. They, this thing's got legs. They keep just changing the, every couple of years they change the headlights. I know it's a facelift. And I haven't driven one since the IS 500.

• 1:28:33Matt Farah?

  The 500 was the.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  I haven't driven a regular one since, long before that. I mean. Like 22 miles per gallon, so bad.

• 1:28:41Matt Farah?

  That was 311.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  600 in 6 seconds.

• 1:28:43Matt Farah?

  That is not competitive product.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  These 2 things are why I didn't buy an IS300 back in the day. They're not that fast, but they consume a lot of gasoline.

• 1:28:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  And it's still the case.

• 1:28:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  How about that? Interesting.

• 1:29:02Matt Farah?

  Revved up like a deuce. Front collision warning systems are, I'm assuming, pretty effective. What do you think of a rear collision warning system to potentially prevent getting rear-ended in sudden traffic, slowdowns, etc.?

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  That's a really fascinating question.

• 1:29:20Matt Farah?

  How do you suppose that would work?

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:23Matt Farah?

  So, let's play this out. I am, okay, here we go. I'm here, and I'm coming to a, coming to a stop. Okay, well, here we go. I'm coming, the microphone is traffic. So, I come, I come to a stop, okay? And now, here you are, barreling down. And so, what is my rear collision avoidance system going to do?

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:52Matt Farah?

  What are my choices?

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  A front collision system stops you.

• 1:29:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Because you are moving. I don't know, do they have evasive steer plugged in now? But like, a rear one, if you are stationary, it would have to then begin moving, right? And is it, it would have to look ahead of you and

• 1:30:08Matt Farah?

  To the sides.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Theoretically, I guess, to the sides. See what gaps exist around you. And then decide to accelerate aggressively and shoot for a gap between cars or moving lanes. Also, while reading the language of the car that's approaching behind you and going, "If I duck to the right lane, that car's not going to do that. It's going to stay of the course and hit the car that's in front of me." Just seems like complicated and dangerous.

• 1:30:30Matt Farah?

  And also, if you're not, if this system has come on, it's because a rear ending is imminent and you haven't already taken an action.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:30:39Matt Farah?

  So, now the car's going to start driving by itself. And you're not gonna know why.

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  aggressively.

• 1:30:44Matt Farah?

  And you're gonna freak out and slam on the brakes probably, hampering it from doing the thing it's trying to do. I think the, alright, if you really wanna prevent getting rear-ended, what we need are, obviously, rear-mounted rockets that will blow the car up.

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  It'll be more effective.

• 1:31:02Matt Farah?

  If it gets too close.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or a ramp that you deploy. You have a ramp on the back of the car, and if it's impending, it drops and it sends the car over you.

• 1:31:12Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Also, imagine how many, you know how many times you drive a car and it has the front collision warning that just turns on? No, like, you're taking a left on a street. Imagine if it suddenly accelerated because it thinks there's a rear-ending happening.

• 1:31:25Matt Farah?

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Problematic.

• 1:31:27Matt Farah?

  BBI Autosport, is there a perfect place to test a car that showcases everything about its driving dynamics in one location?

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Proving grounds.

• 1:31:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and OEMs proving grounds? Uh, I mean, second to that, I think there's,

• 1:31:45Matt Farah?

  there's an argument for the Nürburgring.

• 1:31:50Matt Farah?

  I think that you, one would have to, because, because the Nürburgring is a place. The Nürburgring is also a thing that people, like, when I say the car was tested on the Nürburgring, like, you assume that somebody is out there trying to go as fast as possible. Should one want to, they could also use the Nürburgring as a road to test ride quality, to test all kinds of different things, if you wanted to. Like, the Nürburgring can be used for other things besides pure speed. So, I'm suggesting that you could use the Nürburgring for everything, even things that are not related to speed. But then you essentially have a proving ground.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Well, BMW, they use Los Angeles, and I think they do a lot of efficiency testing here. We see them in the canyons a lot. They're probably doing, I mean, I think in the canyons, you can do ride quality. You can't do limit, you know, grip or braking, but I think what I would want is a road that has bumps, hard braking, some sweepers, and then just a lot of bumpy shit. So, I don't know, one place, but LA, pretty good.

• 1:33:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I would say the pairing of a racetrack and, you know, Angeles Crest Highway and the Angeles Forest is a pretty good place, and that's why most OEMs can be spotted up there once in a while, yeah. I blow horns. Can you describe how the forces and sensations in the steering wheel and seat change when one fits lightweight unsprung components like carbon ceramics or carbon fiber wheels? Sure. So, you'll have less resistance to start spinning the tires, so when you accelerate, you'll have less mass to get moving, so your acceleration will be snappier and more responsive.

• 1:33:43Matt Farah?

  You'll also have less inertia going forward when you transfer from throttle to brake at the end of the front straight, and because your wheels and rotating mass is lighter, your brakes have to work less hard to slow that all down. And then you have a gyroscopic effect of your front tires turning in a straight line, and that helps to keep your car going in a straight line. So, lighter wheels have less resistance to turning in a direction off of straight, and so it's literally everything about a car gets better. The input, the steering feels lighter because the wheels are lighter, but it's also more eager to turn because you have less gyroscopic effect going forward. The brakes work better because they have

• 1:34:27Matt Farah?

  less mass to stop. The power gets down better because it has less mass to start. So, yeah, you can really feel that kind of stuff.

• 1:34:39Matt Farah?

  Uh, prayer, prayer of the refugee wagon with Montana plates.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:34:46Matt Farah?

  Do either of you remember the moment that you met? Do you remember what your initial thoughts of one another were and how those thoughts may have changed?

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  Was our first in-person meeting at the barbecue at Redondo?

• 1:34:59Matt Farah?

  It was at my house.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you came to my house.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  I know, but I'm saying, did I meet, did I meet you in person before that?

• 1:35:05Matt Farah?

  I don't think so.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  Or did I start writing for the site online?

• 1:35:07Matt Farah?

  No, I met you, I met you over email first.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:35:10Matt Farah?

  And then you came to my house. I liked Zach right away. I did, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking cool, great, I have a friend.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  I remember you seemed like a very confident adult. And I work as a server with a bunch of, let's, you know, people frozen adolescents. Yeah, cuz you were like, you had a house that you rented.

• 1:35:28Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  And you seemed to know everybody. You were very much in command of the situation and you had sideburns. And I was like, oh, this is like, this is a person kind of in charge of shit, yeah.

• 1:35:37Matt Farah?

  You don't have those sideburns unless you really know. And I, and my girlfriend lived with me, so I guess you're like, someone can stand this guy.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Oh, Tracy?

• 1:35:44Matt Farah?

  Tracy was living with us, yeah.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just seemed like an actual adult and I was like, yeah.

• 1:35:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, you didn't seem like a child.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  Oh, that's.

• 1:35:52Matt Farah?

  But I was like, oh, I like this guy, this is all right. Yeah, friends, yeah.

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:56Matt Farah?

  I was, I was very much, in the, when I, my first year in California, I was very much like, trying to make friends. Like, I would say I'm not doing that anymore. I was.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  You only have so many.

• 1:36:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  And even so, I think you meet a lot of new people.

• 1:36:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  But yeah, I mean, I think we, we hit it off and then very soon after you, you guys were like, do you wanna come help on shoots? Cuz you're not insane.

• 1:36:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  And that was great.

• 1:36:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, I, I would say have thoughts, have thoughts, my thoughts changed? I mean, no, not really. I mean, I don't, I don't wanna like, not have a good answer to that, but like, you don't, you know, you don't stick around for 15 years with somebody unless you like, like them.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:36:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, wait, Darian Lux says, can you, all right, with the recent Valhalla video, can you list the seven-figure performance cars you've driven? Oh, there's, okay. Veyron, Chiron, Koenigsegg, Pagani Utopia, Koenigsegg, excuse me, Agara R.

• 1:36:59Matt Farah?

  Pagani Utopia, Pagani Huayra, Carrera GT 918, Enzo, MC12,

• 1:37:12Matt Farah?

  SSC.

• 1:37:15Matt Farah?

  Some of the singers, seven figures. Sing, oh yeah, every singer except the Turbo DLS and that weird Carrera thing that no one's driven yet. All the roofs, everything, everything, no, not the SCR. No, that was like 700, 800. Okay, but the roof, the, the, the roofs that are over, whatever, the rodeo is over a million and the, the twin turbo one is over a million.

• 1:37:46Matt Farah?

  Trying to think. Gunther's close. Gunther, the Gunther Turbo, Gunther Turbo is over a million. Yeah.

• 1:37:55Matt Farah?

  The Zinger. Oh, yeah. The Zinger is over 2 million. Yeah. The...

• 1:38:04Matt Farah?

  There must be more. There's definitely more. I can't, I, uh, hmm.

• 1:38:10Matt Farah?

  Hmm, this is a tough one.

• 1:38:15Matt Farah?

  That's a lot. That is a lot. McLaren F1, that was not over a million new, but I think it generally falls into what people would refer to as that sort of thing.

• 1:38:28Matt Farah?

  What are other, are there other, um, like, hypercars that are, that I'm not thinking of? There must be. I'm trying to work my way around, I'm trying to work my way around the quail.

• 1:38:47Matt Farah?

  No, no, not, Rottos like, they're like sixes, sevens, but that's crazy, but, but no.

• 1:38:56Matt Farah?

  Todd Hill.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, 911K.

• 1:39:00Matt Farah?

  Todd Hill, 911K, uh.

• 1:39:04Matt Farah?

  Obviously Valhalla, uh. Yeah, I think that.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 1:39:10Matt Farah?

  Senna. McLaren, McLaren Senna. Were those under a million new?

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:14Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  They're like 760.

• 1:39:15Matt Farah?

  All right, but Holy Trinity cars, I think we can, we can probably put them in the similar, similar vibe. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a bunch, right? I think that's, I think that's a bunch. Oops, I tapped the table, says, congratulations, it's 2002 and you're in charge of casting Jason Statham's vehicle for the transporter. What is he driving instead of what he already was driving?

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  I looked up, the first CTSV wasn't until 04, because that would have been a fun one, but in 2002.

• 1:39:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, I'm, those are, that's a very well cast thing. Aside, the M5, I think, would be too attention-seeking. The fact that he has a, a 7 series, it's under, more under the radar, it's got the small wheels.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Well, I think that there's supposed to be livery cars essentially, right? It's like, this is a limousine.

• 1:40:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  You know, and also fast.

• 1:40:08Matt Farah?

  Or you could be, it could be Arnage T. Bentley Arnage T?

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  True, not as subtle, but fast in a straight line.

• 1:40:14Matt Farah?

  But British.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  Uh, um, uh, GT, was it GTST?

• 1:40:22Matt Farah?

  For Skyline?

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  Skyline four-door, yeah, or, understated, I'll go Chaser.

• 1:40:28Matt Farah?

  A Chaser, sure.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  That's kind of, no one will expect that.

• 1:40:31Matt Farah?

  Got a Lotus Carlton.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  That also would be, that's what the bad guys would drive to chase you, I think.

• 1:40:37Matt Farah?

  WCCS is gonna have one of those for sale soon. We're selling one on, on, on bat pretty soon, it's really nice. Uh, Christian says, what do you think about Rivian partnering with Uber? Did Rivian partner with Uber? What have I, have I missed that?

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  Uber and Rivian partner to deploy up to 50,000 fully autonomous robot taxis.

• 1:41:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Bold word choice, Rivian.

• 1:41:06Matt Farah?

  Uh huh, okay, well, this is, let's see the story. Uber will invest 1.25 billion through 2031, subject to the achievement of autonomous performance milestones. This is at Rivian.com.

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  Funny.

• 1:41:20Matt Farah?

  Uber is, or Uber or its fleet partners are expected to purchase 10,000 fully autonomous R2 robot taxis with the option to purchase 40,000 more in 2030. Initial commercial deployments for San Francisco and Miami in 2028, scaling to 25 cities through 2031.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  Is the R2 gonna have LiDAR?

• 1:41:44Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:41:46Matt Farah?

  I believe it will be at least LiDAR ready. Yeah. So, we'll see.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  I mean, this is, I don't know how many cars have come out and how that say LiDAR ready.

• 1:41:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  We've driven a couple of them. It's all about like getting the cost down and deploying them in the testing. So this is a, I mean, 2030 is a, I think, a very bold timeline considering they, considering that in this press release, they say this all depends on them achieving autonomous performance milestones.

• 1:42:14Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:42:14Speaker 01

  So which, that tells me that Rivian has not proven yet that they can meet those milestones. So they have to do that and then, you know, they'll sell more cars, but, okay.

• 1:42:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I mean, Rivian's are an emotional purchase. Our friend Tim, I would say, has a problem with his want to purchase an R2 and it's, he needs, it just needs to be over already.

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:37Matt Farah?

  He needs to stop talking about it.

• 1:42:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, just ask her out.

• 1:42:39Matt Farah?

  Just, just get it, yeah, just ask her to come in. Uh, does it lower the brand value? I mean, listen, not selling cars lowers the brand value and selling 40,000 cars to Uber probably makes Rivian shareholders feel nice, even if it's, even if it's a... Only if you can make them drive themselves, kinda deal.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  I think I would say that, look, Toyota sells 400,000 RAV4s a year in this country. Does, has seeing them everywhere lower the brand value and make people not want to buy them? Obviously not, because they keep selling for, so if the car is good, seeing them around won't, I think, diminish that value.

• 1:43:15Matt Farah?

  Well, I'll say that look, I mean, remember when Lincoln came out with the Continental in like 20, whatever it was, 13 to 15 sometime? And I thought it was like a pretty nice car, and then I just saw like 10 of them at the airport as liveries, and I was like, oh, never mind.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  I agree, but I think the difference is that with Uber cars, they look like normal cars with, except for that little sticker. The livery cars, they're all black, they have, they got the number on the back, and you didn't see them anywhere else.

• 1:43:41Matt Farah?

  Right, that's true. Crucially, we didn't see them anywhere.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  I think that's the big thing.

• 1:43:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think it's, I think it devalues Rivian less than if they said, Rivian is now offering a ride-share special where you can, you know, lease it by the week or something, you know, for, for that directly from the company.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:00Matt Farah?

  That would probably devalue it more. Blurple says, a car-selling question. I'm ready to part ways with a car I've owned since new, and I have a few questions. The car is a project that's 90% finished, needs interior and repaint. What is the best platform to resell a car that isn't carb-legal or able to pass smog? I'm not interested in returning the car to stock. Do I set a reserve that pays off the debt owed? Oh, god. Guy's got a project car with a loan on it, yikes. Do I let the market determine the price, which is likely less than the debt owed? Or do I try something else to recoup the funds from modding the car? Damn.

• 1:44:44Matt Farah?

  The obvious, I mean, dude, fuck. Debt owed, no interior, no paint, shit.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  Really hard, because you're... You know, it just means your market is smaller. You need, your market are people who see the dream you had. And they think they can complete it. So.

• 1:45:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, selling, what platform to sell a car that isn't car illegal, it doesn't really make a difference. You can sell a car on any platform that's not car vehicle, as long as you say, as they'll say, like, you know, can it be registered? And you'd say, no.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:45:18Matt Farah?

  And it'll say that too, but like, bring a trailer, cars and bids, like, they don't give a fuck, they'll list it.

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  It just means you're selling to 49 states and people in California will be less likely to buy it.

• 1:45:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, or sketchy people.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:45:27Matt Farah?

  49 states and some sketchy fucking motherfuckers here.

• 1:45:32Matt Farah?

  Look, here's the thing, you gotta run comps for this car. Setting a reserve based on what you need to get is a, is a strategy. I, I totally get it. That may be totally incongruous with what the market says this car is worth. So like, ask yourself, if you auction this car and it doesn't sell, and you don't, you don't get the money and you're now stuck with the car because it didn't get to your threshold. Are you happy about that or are you annoyed? Because now you're stuck with the car, but you didn't take less. Or if you go no reserve, send it, and you get less than you're owed and you gotta write the bank a check, but the car's gone and it's over and you go on your life. Is, which of those scenarios is better?

• 1:46:17Matt Farah?

  It doesn't sell, you still have the car? Or it sells and you gotta take a little fucking haircut on the loan? So.

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  I would, I would add a third option that I know this person said they don't want to do, but if you put it up.

• 1:46:29Matt Farah?

  Insurance fraud, exactly right, Zach. You light it on fire, get full coverage, I don't know nothing.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  I would, I definitely would not suggest that in a public forum. People do it. I was gonna say, if you put it up with a reserve that you need and it doesn't get met, that is telling you, you have to put it back to stock. So you, right now you say, I don't want to do it. I get it, it's a pain, I don't know how much work has been done on this, but that might tell you, no one wants to buy this project. You have to separate it back to a regular car that doesn't have paint, but at least have an interior and shit. And then sell that, and then sell the parts, and then you're still gonna lose money.

• 1:47:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  So that's a bummer.

• 1:47:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:04Speaker 01

  It's a bummer.

• 1:47:04Matt Farah?

  I, man, I don't know everyone's situation, but I do not recommend taking your car apart and turning it into a project if you owe money on it. That's a tough place to find yourself.

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  If you're a business that does, like if you're building a SEMA car, sure.

• 1:47:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, that's not what we're talking about.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  But as an individual, don't do that.

• 1:47:22Matt Farah?

  That's hard. Yeah, it's hard. Let's save the rest. It's been, it's been a good run. We'll save the rest for the next cruise show. Thank you to our patrons for asking such great questions. We appreciate it. Thank you to everybody else for listening and playing along and we will see you guys next time. Bye.