It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!

In this episode, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about everything from the upcoming Samsung tri-fold to Affinity taking on Adobe. After that, Adam talks about the newest product from Teenage Engineering before everyone gets into the newest thin Motorola phone. It all wraps up with a new game where Andrew pits Marques and David against Adam and Ellis. It's a fun one! Links: 9to5Google - Nothing article: https://9to5google.com/2025/11/02/nothing-phone-3a-lite-past-promises/ Interview with Teenage Engineering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlHk4HQDgaM&t=4 Teenage Engineering EP-40: https://teenage.engineering/products/ep-40 Verge - Motorola Edge 70 phone: https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/813377/motorola-edge-70-review Kotaku - SouljaBoy scandal: https://kotaku.com/souljaboy-is-selling-someone-elses-retro-handhelds-for-as-much-as-a-switch-2-he-does-not-have-permission-2000640828 This episode brought to you by: Grammarly: https://www.grammarly.com/podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/MKBHD Monarch Money: https://www.monarch.com (code: wave) Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/waveform T-Mobile: https://www.t-mobile.com/switch Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Andrew Manganelli?

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• 1:18Speaker 01

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• 1:21David Imel?

  The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, those bezels were.

• 1:26David Imel?

  They were thick. I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  My hot take on bezels is...

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 1:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  And I'm David. So, okay, this week, we have a bunch of free software. That's pretty good. A new teenage engineering product that Adam's very excited about. Also, our first real look at the Samsung Trifold. I don't know if that's exactly what it'll be called, but it's the Trifold. We're going to call it that. Soulja Boy scamming again. Sorry. Uh, and we're gonna wrap it up with a game that Andrew's made for us. That'll be fun.

• 2:14Andrew Manganelli?

  But first, I want to come in with a little Nothing Phone 3A response from Nothing and a correction from last week.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna apologize to me again.

• 2:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  I got excited.

• 2:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Do I have something to apologize for?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  I don't know. You could figure it out.

• 2:26Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. If you figure out what I, figure it out by the end of this article.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 2:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I'm ready.

• 2:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, so last week we talked about the 3A Lite and how it's basically just the CMF Phone 2 with a Nothing Design Language. $10 more expensive and a bunch of.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Phone 2A Pro.

• 2:41Andrew Manganelli?

  No, just 2.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  2 Pro.

• 2:42Andrew Manganelli?

  You are, yeah.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Christ, okay.

• 2:44David Imel?

  We were thinking of the 3A Lite.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46David Imel?

  Which is the budget sub, anyway, you can continue.

• 2:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Um, but yeah, so it was $10 more expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads. So first I want to correct something. Last week I said the cameras were exactly the same, but I was wrong. The 3A Lite ditches the CMF 2 Pro's 50-megapixel telephoto and adds a 2-megapixel macro camera instead.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  You'd love to see it.

• 3:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Love to see it. So they're not the same. In fact, I think we can all, CMF Phone is better cameras.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 3:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Even though it's less expensive. Um, and then since the release, Nothing's been basically getting dunked on nonstop. Um, Ben Shune had a great article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the, the age-old, uh.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Receipts?

• 3:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the receipt, like how companies are like, let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that thing later.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  This is why Twitter's still so goaded.

• 3:38Andrew Manganelli?

  It is.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Everyone has five-year-old tweets. It's just, yeah.

• 3:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll link Ben's article in it. It compiles a bunch, but one is, um, I keep forgetting his name. He's one of the co-founders.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Akis.

• 3:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Akis. He tweeted in 2023, "2-megapixel third-camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century."

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Which is such a great take, because I've said before, like, they're pretty useless. But to be in charge of a phone company that might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam of the 21st century is really putting yourself out there.

• 4:05David Imel?

  I think people need to remember that you can just not tweet things.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:09David Imel?

  Like, you don't have to say.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  No, I'm glad he tweets this, because you know how he really feels now.

• 4:13David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, so he, he since then replied to the. Almost three year old tweet and said, add to add context.

• 4:22David Imel?

  Oh my god.

• 4:22Andrew Manganelli?

  First of all, if you have to add context to a three year old tweet, you've lost already. He said, this is regarding depth sensors to optimize portrait mode as the second sensor can serve that purpose. Purpose for the 3A light, the options were either remove the third camera or converted to a macro lens. And then since the community has been doing some fun, great macro photography, we want it the later. This feels so much like when they, uh, the quote unquote placeholder images where he's just like, no, no, no, we didn't make a mistake. Check out all these sweet pictures our people on nothing phones have taken.

• 4:54David Imel?

  This macro of someone's eye that he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution.

• 4:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it's two megapixels.

• 5:00David Imel?

  It's like so over sharpened. Yeah.

• 5:02Andrew Manganelli?

  It's one of those things that looks great in the thumbnail preview and then you blow it up and you're like, oh.

• 5:07David Imel?

  It's pretty bad. Yeah.

• 5:08Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not great, but.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  And also two megapixels, like these aren't two megapixel photos. I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a two megapixel macro camera. Maybe I'm wrong.

• 5:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It is. Yep. Two megapixels. So the three cameras are 50 megapixel wide, eight megapixel ultra wide, two megapixel macro.

• 5:26David Imel?

  Yeah, this photo is 1600 by 901, which fits within two megapixels. So.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Wow. Maybe you can take amazing macros with a two megapixel macro camera.

• 5:34David Imel?

  Define amazing.

• 5:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Amazingly sharp.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Good enough to get tweeted by the company's marketing guy.

• 5:41Andrew Manganelli?

  In a basically apology.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:43Andrew Manganelli?

  So other than that, nothing has also been known a lot of times to talk about. NothingOS takes out the bloatware. Carl Pei has tweeted a bunch of times like, no, that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook, straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta.

• 6:01David Imel?

  Apps.

• 6:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Service apps. And so their response to it was, we heard your feed. So on the 30th, they said, these apps come because they offer faster startups, smarter background performance, better power efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reasoning for happening, but.

• 6:18David Imel?

  That's the reason for having them pre-installed?

• 6:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:20David Imel?

  What?

• 6:21Andrew Manganelli?

  But don't worry, you still retain full control. All of those can be uninstalled.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  I raise you that.

• 6:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like Instagram should be able to be uninstalled.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, all of the, I don't know how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed. If they're doing some special optimizations, I don't know, but if I just install it from the Play Store, all of those advantages will still be there, right?

• 6:41Andrew Manganelli?

  They're pretty.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  They can always be installed if I want them. The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are just taking up space.

• 6:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  This is by definition.

• 6:53David Imel?

  The only reason that they're saying that this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone era was like, I don't know, a random Verizon or AT&T.

• 7:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Candy Crush or like, also like games pre-installed.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Verizon Messenger.

• 7:07David Imel?

  Verizon Messenger, yeah, that kind of stuff.

• 7:09Andrew Manganelli?

  We'll talk about that later.

• 7:10David Imel?

  There was like an NFL app on my first smartphone, my like HCC Thunderbolt I had, like, yeah, people don't use that, but I don't know, they're saying it's not bloatware, but it's like, if you have TikTok pre-installed, I don't want.

• 7:22Andrew Manganelli?

  They're claiming these are the most widely used apps globally, and so they're just.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Which is, it doesn't matter.

• 7:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It takes five seconds to download these.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  I think our definition of bloatware is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking up space. Now I have to go uninstall it. Their rebuttal to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular ones. It's Instagram and TikTok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or any or all of these meta properties. So it's like, it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them, but it is not as offensive bloatware as the ones that we're used to.

• 7:56David Imel?

  Sure, and they're adding it because they get paid to add it so they can monetize the phone.

• 8:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I feel like, just say that.

• 8:02David Imel?

  You could literally say it. Dude, I'm, yes, exactly. They could literally go like, the only way we were able to make this so, we were able to make this so cheap by installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway. You can uninstall it if you want, but that's how we're able to make our products like affordable.

• 8:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 8:19David Imel?

  But when you like dance around it, people are not stupid. People know how this works.

• 8:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep. They also said, so the meta service apps at first couldn't be taken off. They could only be disabled. And he like, he wrote how to disable it as this like, settings, app things. There's like four or five steps to get into it.

• 8:37David Imel?

  I didn't know that they could still do that. I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstall apps. You could only disable them and it would like turn them off, but it still retained the app data or whatever.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  And storage.

• 8:47David Imel?

  I thought that they got rid of that, but I guess not.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, there's still system apps you can't disable, can't remove.

• 8:52David Imel?

  I was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious third party.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 8:57David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:58David Imel?

  Like I wouldn't.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  I get it for system 32.

• 9:00David Imel?

  A non-removable Facebook app is kind of crazy.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Unless you have the HTC first, you know?

• 9:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you can remove the Facebook app, but it's just like the meta services stuff. Or I don't know, I might be wrong about that.

• 9:14David Imel?

  That's so bad.

• 9:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Community is not happy, I think is the safest way to say it. Nice little update.

• 9:22David Imel?

  Because they're pre-installed, they offer faster startup. What does that even mean?

• 9:26Speaker 01

  I don't understand what that.

• 9:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster.

• 9:31David Imel?

  You can get to Instagram quicker when you first unbox your Nothing 3A Lite.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  Important to the experience. Like on a Pixel, I can't uninstall Gmail. I'd have to like.

• 9:40David Imel?

  Can't you?

• 9:41Speaker 03

  No, I'd have to disable it. Yeah. I could like root my phone and then uninstall.

• 9:45David Imel?

  Try doing it right now.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  I did. I can only disable or archive.

• 9:48David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  I cannot.

• 9:49Andrew Manganelli?

  It's like Google on Google. Like I'm sure Nothing also can't.

• 9:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:52Andrew Manganelli?

  You can't take off the Nothing apps that are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware because it's the, you know, the phones, the company. Yeah.

• 9:59David Imel?

  Right. Yeah.

• 10:00Andrew Manganelli?

  When you start putting all these third party things in there, it's a little more annoying.

• 10:03David Imel?

  Yeah. Didn't Apple get in trouble for not letting you uninstall like preloaded Apple apps or something?

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Every year, not, maybe not even every year, but it feels like every one or two years with the new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think with iOS 26, there was a preview app that got added and I think maybe one more app that got like by default. And they just snuck them in there and they show up with a software update and people usually just remove them and it's no big deal. But there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone and.

• 10:36David Imel?

  We kind of just accept it. By the way, the preview app is very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos and every time you click it, it opens preview. And then it looks at that in preview and you can't, you can't just like move over to the next photo in the folder. Like normally on a Mac, like you can just hit the, the next button and it goes through the folder. Right. But because it opens preview and just opens that singular image in preview. Wow. You can't just scroll. So you have to go back to the folder. Files app is the other one. Yeah. Yeah. It's so annoying. That's, it doesn't quite work like a Mac. Otherwise you would just have a Mac. Yeah. And Apple can't have that.

• 11:13Andrew Manganelli?

  They did update it one more time, saying, we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off Meta app installer, app manager and Meta services.

• 11:21David Imel?

  We're hoping.

• 11:22Andrew Manganelli?

  But it should be out at the end of the month.

• 11:24David Imel?

  But. So. But Meta already paid us, so. Yeah.

• 11:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Or, or hoping to be able to uninstall them. It'll still come default.

• 11:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. All right. Do you want to talk about Affinity?

• 11:34David Imel?

  This is. Yeah. Fill me in because I don't use any Affinity products.

• 11:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Neither do I.

• 11:38David Imel?

  But I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over.

• 11:43Andrew Manganelli?

  And one of them is sitting right next to me.

• 11:45David Imel?

  Yeah. So please, please tell me why it's such a big deal, what, what Affinity is doing.

• 11:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So, yeah. Do you, do, does anyone use Affinity here at all?

• 11:53Speaker 04

  I started last month, like towards the tail end of this whole thing.

• 11:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. I, sorry.

• 11:59David Imel?

  I also want to note that this is important because they are basically the Adobe competitor.

• 12:03Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure.

• 12:03David Imel?

  For like their Adobe's whole suite. And ever since Adobe moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago, and every single thing is a subscription. You no longer were able to just buy creative software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in like 2016 basically started like making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps. So I'd heard about Affinity Photo. That's like Lightroom.

• 12:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Affinity Photo is like Photoshop. Affinity Designer is like Illustrator and Affinity Publisher is like InDesign.

• 12:32David Imel?

  Yeah. Okay. And they're not subscriptions? No.

• 12:34Andrew Manganelli?

  They were like 70 bucks a piece. I think iPad app was like 20 bucks. Um, but they varied. Yeah.

• 12:39David Imel?

  Yeah. And they had an iPad app, which was great.

• 12:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh huh. The reason we're bringing this up again is because last week, Ellis on Wednesday was like. Hey everyone. I don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday, like when it releases, but right now Affinity is free. And it felt like, because they they had been bought by Canva in 2024. And on Wednesday, there was this feeling of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we knew about, which was Thursday. So for us, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, then release Friday.

• 13:07David Imel?

  Sure.

• 13:07Andrew Manganelli?

  So it was like, is this going to be free? Because tomorrow Canva is going to say we're shutting down Affinity or changing it. Like, are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded? You know, we all kind of expect the worst out of stuff like that when we see it. But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop Illustrator InDesign through a tab switch on the top and get all the different tools without having to go through different programs, including your file moving between all of them.

• 13:45David Imel?

  That's awesome.

• 13:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is awesome.

• 13:46David Imel?

  That's really cool, actually.

• 13:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Mega app. Yeah, I think it's really neat. And that they're completely free.

• 13:51David Imel?

  Out of video editor.

• 13:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, that's fair, but we can sort of get to that later. But like, so now that all of them are three, at times like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Yeah, Canva just was like, hey, here you go. These are all free and just available.

• 14:10David Imel?

  Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan, which is very popular. Because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express, which nobody really uses.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  So that's a subscription, the Canva thing.

• 14:24David Imel?

  Canva is a subscription and their corporate subscription is like much more expensive. And they make a, they sell a lot of those subscriptions.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  I also, I didn't read this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like, I think a lot, a lot of what you get out of the Canva subscription is you get access to this library of assets that's made by Canva designers. And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in.

• 14:47Andrew Manganelli?

  I can jump ahead.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 14:50Andrew Manganelli?

  The AI tools inside of the new Affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium, which is, that's like the main thing you're unlocking.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Oh, so it's like-

• 14:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Generative fill.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:00Andrew Manganelli?

  But for the most part, the main tools that are like Photoshop competitors, other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs. Those are the things that are locked behind a subscription, which is Canva Premium.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  That makes sense then. So it's like they're making Canva free with a bunch of its basic tools as a vessel-

• 15:19Andrew Manganelli?

  A lot of really powerful tools.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Sure, definitely.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  They're making Affinity free.

• 15:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Affinity free.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Affinity, sorry. Affinity is free as a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe at some point for some of the more advanced slash AI tools, because those are good.

• 15:31David Imel?

  Yeah, think about it like this. Like, if you are a business and you, you are more likely to buy a Canva Pro subscription for your designers if it also comes with all these other design tools, so that you don't have to also have an Adobe Cloud subscription for all of the, you know, InDesign and Illustrator and Photoshop. So if you, if you have Canva, which is sort of a, like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way-

• 15:55Andrew Manganelli?

  It's also-

• 15:57Speaker 04

  It's like everyone's first, like everyone who's not a-

• 16:01David Imel?

  It's like babies first, yeah.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  Dude, I wouldn't even describe it as that. Like, I can't remember the last time I got like a wedding invite or like really any document ever that wasn't made in Canva.

• 16:13David Imel?

  Because they have a lot of like very stylish designs that are-

• 16:16Speaker 04

  And it's, it's so easy.

• 16:18David Imel?

  Made by actual designers.

• 16:19Speaker 04

  Like, it's, like, like, I feel like all other platforms, when they use the term drag and drop are like ish.

• 16:25David Imel?

  Kind of like, yeah.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  And Canva is like literally the most drag and drop, I'm graphic designing thing ever.

• 16:30David Imel?

  Yeah. So from a business perspective, it's like, they already have an incentive to use Canva, but then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are gonna need more pro creative tools and usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now, if they make these free, then it's like, it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Canva Pro.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:53David Imel?

  Because you also get these creative tools.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 16:55Andrew Manganelli?

  And if, I have the breakdown of what Canva Premium costs and what Adobe costs, if we wanna look at that real quick.

• 17:01David Imel?

  Head to head.

• 17:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Because even still, Canva Premium, thirteen dollars a month or a hundred dollar, a hundred and twenty a year, if you pay yearly, which I, ten dollars a month.

• 17:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Creative Cloud Pro, it's so confusing how this pricing works. And this is non-business. This is if just you're an individual buying.

• 17:16David Imel?

  Yep.

• 17:17Andrew Manganelli?

  So $105 a month, if you pay just monthly. If you pay monthly but commit to annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year. This is a little different because Creative Cloud Pro comes with everything.

• 17:31David Imel?

  There's a ton of.

• 17:31Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a ton of it, all the AI stuff.

• 17:33David Imel?

  Yeah, storage.

• 17:34Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're picking individual programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual just subscription. So we're talking about half the price for Affinity. And that's even half the price of one singular program.

• 17:47David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Of Adobe.

• 17:49David Imel?

  And that's if you want the Canva Pro features, because if you just want to use Affinity without all of the like AI generative stuff, it's all free.

• 17:57Andrew Manganelli?

  It's just free.

• 17:57David Imel?

  Yeah. So as you wrote down here, you can basically make any creative project now for completely free. Because you can take your phone, film a video, edit in DaVinci Resolve, which is like a pro video editing app that is also free. Create your own graphics and thumbnails in Affinity and then you spent no money.

• 18:19Andrew Manganelli?

  That's awesome.

• 18:19David Imel?

  Pretty big deal.

• 18:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the best time ever to be, to want to try creating.

• 18:24David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:24Andrew Manganelli?

  With like very low risk.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  I've only used Affinity on my iPad so far, and I will say it's my favorite iPad design app. Like, I think it's way better than the Adobe Illustrator.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  Procreate is better at like the brush simulation stuff. Like, there is like a bunch of like under the hood stuff in Procreate that just makes it like butter, which I feel like is their whole thing.

• 18:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  But it's so much easier to work in the vector space and work with text and like do things that aren't literally drawing. And it was, and I've found that the brushes in Affinity Design are like not that much worse. Yeah.

• 19:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I want to try it because this is one of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long begrudgingly and luckily work at a company that pays for my Adobe suite. So like that makes it, but like. This is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like, I just want to edit some photos or that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for. Like, it's just too expensive. So the free version of this without some AI tools is like, at least you can learn the basics of everything and really see if you want to do this.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  For the same price of a year of Photoshop, you could buy a Pixel and just put all of your photos in the Google Magic Editor and just do it all like that, like.

• 19:40David Imel?

  Yeah, I think that there's more mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of freemium software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  I'm still a little confused why Affinity did this in the first place. Because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals.

• 19:59David Imel?

  Affinity or Canva?

• 20:00Speaker 03

  You know?

• 20:01David Imel?

  Affinity or Canva?

• 20:02Speaker 03

  Uh, Canva, you're right. Yeah, sorry.

• 20:03David Imel?

  Well, they did it to get more Canva subscribers.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  But I don't think people that are signing up to use Affinity are gonna inherently use Canva because no one.

• 20:11David Imel?

  I think it's the other way around.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  You mean, people using Canva are just gonna now use Affinity?

• 20:15David Imel?

  Businesses are more incentivized to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users.

• 20:24Andrew Manganelli?

  So like, in order to get the, all the AI tools and stuff out of, which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI, but like, more and more design programs are having tools that just help you save time. It's not, I'm not saying it's like a go into Affinity and create an entire thing using just AI. It's like, subject select, advanced generative fill. Like, those are super helpful tools.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Also, just like, so many people subscribe to Canva. You know what I mean?

• 20:49Andrew Manganelli?

  That, yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  So.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  I disagree.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  No, dude.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  A lot of marketing departments subscribe to Canva, but regular people just use the free version to make.

• 20:56David Imel?

  Yeah, well, but that's the whole thing. They're subsidizing Affinity for regular people by getting more and more marketing departments to sign up for Canva Pro.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  This also might be, I, I know, I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers, are not creative professionals, and keep a Canva subscription going just because anytime they need to format, and like, people use it instead of Google Docs.

• 21:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Can I?

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know what I mean?

• 21:21Speaker 03

  But like, everyone I know that uses Canva has one project that they just edit constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  I, I got my payers out there, okay?

• 21:30Andrew Manganelli?

  This is totally anecdotal. But teachers use Canva like crazy.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, Canva is the new PowerPoint. It's like everyone uses Canva.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 03

  When Jess worked in an ad agency, all of their decks were made in Canva. Everything was made in Canva. But that's what I mean. Like, those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it. That like, what is their incentive? But David's make point makes sense, which is that like, it's just another tool that their people can use now since you're already paying for the canvas subscription, you know?

• 22:04Speaker 01

  And there's like such an entrenched, uh, there's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff, like all of, there's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all of the, you know, Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever. And the only way to get someone out of that is to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing. So if you're gonna get someone to leave Adobe, you gotta make moves. And this is one of the moves I just tried to try to make.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just feel like that's still gonna, like, I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it's awesome because we get to play with a new thing that's free. But like, Tim is not leaving Photoshop.

• 22:42Andrew Manganelli?

  That you're never gonna convert people who like went to school for design and are doing this forever.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  Like the real professionals are sticking to their tools.

• 22:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Now you start the new generation of professionals.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  If you're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you realize you could save a lot of money by using the Canva stuff. Every individual is very unhappy with how much they have to pay for Adobe.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  Marques, as someone that pays for all of our Adobe subscriptions, are you tempted at all by this?

• 23:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, every time you guys are like, hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe? I'm like, do you really, really want this? Yes, because this will cost me $1,500 a month for every single person we add. 1,500? It's so much.

• 23:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Not quite, but it's, it's a lot of it.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  It might as well be.

• 23:23Andrew Manganelli?

  The pro version's way more because it comes with like more AI tokens or.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  But it's not like I can just add. Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  That's so.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  I would love to be able to just go, I can add one seat for just Photoshop. But of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able to do that.

• 23:36Andrew Manganelli?

  As a business.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Um, I'll just tack onto this as we're talking about, uh, like bringing people off of Adobe is like, this is free for now. We always have to just be aware. They've claimed that I think it's going to stay free.

• 23:54David Imel?

  But you can never trust.

• 23:55Andrew Manganelli?

  It said free forever, but also nothing said two megapixel cameras are the biggest scam of the 21st century. So just remember, any of these things can change at any time. So we won't be surprised when that happens.

• 24:09David Imel?

  I mean, that's the reason that people often are like, you need to just host everything yourself because everything is like free and great until it's not. And companies will always like bait and switch you eventually. So, you know, use it while you got it.

• 24:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Use it. Yeah. Now's the best time, better time than ever to try and make that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can, between Resolve and Affinity, you can do pretty much everything that you could do when you first started your YouTube channel, right?

• 24:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It's wild.

• 24:40David Imel?

  To be set to go.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  The new Affinity app now has like a new file format, I believe.

• 24:44David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  I wonder if that's gonna be compatible with anything else.

• 24:48David Imel?

  Is that the .af?

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:49David Imel?

  I love it.

• 24:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I wonder if, is that because so it can switch between, I wonder if that's so it can switch between.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I mean more so like what you're getting at is like in 10 years, if they decide, oh, now we're charging. And now you have like a backlog of all your professional work. That's a .af. What do you do?

• 25:06David Imel?

  Darkness.

• 25:09David Imel?

  Gotcha.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  On Sakura, an interesting thing I found.

• 25:13David Imel?

  What is Sakura?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  It's like, uh, the same thing as, uh, Statista, but it's like, not Statista, what's the, the, is Statista for money? You know what I'm talking about?

• 25:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Polly market?

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Jeez. Uh, it's like, it's like, like they accrue data from shareholder.

• 25:28David Imel?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, something research.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  Whatever.

• 25:31David Imel?

  SharePoint research or something like that.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  That thing. Uh, but, uh, Affinity's growth has outpaced almost all their competitors. Here they, it says they outpaced Figma, Miro and Adobe in year over year growth.

• 25:46David Imel?

  Damn.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Um, and they also do. More revenue than Figma and Miro. So I think they literally just are like-

• 25:54David Imel?

  Than Figma?

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:56David Imel?

  Wow.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  So-

• 25:57David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I'm saying is like, like Canva, I don't think we, we were, I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is.

• 26:06David Imel?

  For sure.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Like, and so I just think it makes sense for Affinity to be like, if we have the, the casuals cornered in the market, you know, let's get the power users in.

• 26:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 04

  And maybe they'll start charging us. Eventually, yes.

• 26:21David Imel?

  Just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud Pro Plus for Teams, it's about $1,500 a year. Excel, Excel Ultra.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:31David Imel?

  1,500? Okay. Well, um, speaking of adding things, uh, Samsung added another screen to its tri-fold and we've been talking-

• 26:42Speaker 04

  Another screen to its tri-fold?

• 26:43David Imel?

  Well, it's actually the same amount of screens. It's just they added a fold. True. They added an additional fold. They added a fold. We finally got our first look at the Samsung tri-fold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this and they had mentioned it would come out before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  This is the most careful, slow rollout imaginable. Like first it's an animation-

• 27:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  And the name, and then it's like a little glyph on their, on their presentation. Now it's behind a glass, so no one can touch it, but it's showing it closed and open. So you can't see it closed or open, but you can see what it looks like closed and opened.

• 27:23David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  And it is indeed a roughly, what, 6.7 inch phone closed and a 10 inch tablet open.

• 27:30David Imel?

  Yes.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  So that's exciting. That's the whole point. You get a real tablet sized screen while it's open.

• 27:36David Imel?

  The thing that is slightly less exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple Cs.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a hotter take about that.

• 27:43David Imel?

  Oh, interesting. The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, those bezels were.

• 27:49David Imel?

  They were thick.

• 27:52David Imel?

  I mean, I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  My hot take on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way overreact to bezel thickness. And I, I get this comment a lot, like I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll compare them and I'll be like, see, man, this phone looks like basically just as premium. And someone will go, look at the bezels on the S26 FE. Disgusting, horrible, unacceptable. And they're next to each other and it's literally one millimeter more bezel and they're serious and they're like, I could never use a phone with that much bezel. I'm like, dude, if you, maybe it's because I'm old or something, but if you rewind like seven, eight, nine years, when phones actually had thick bezels. I'm like, dude, every phone today, north of $200 has thin bezels. I don't care. Like, I'm not looking at the bezels.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Do you remember the bathtub notch? Do you remember like the actually thick bezels? So I see this and I, you know, yeah, the bezels are a little thicker, but they're not even that much thicker than.

• 28:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Real bezels.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like that. That was genuinely, you can complain about how thick the bezels are.

• 29:08David Imel?

  For sure.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  But now as I'm using basically all of these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like, they're bragging about how thin the bezels are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 millimeter bezels instead of 1.5 millimeter bezels. Which to them is like a 40% improvement, but to me, I'm like,

• 29:29Speaker 01

  hey, man, thin bezels all the way around. It looks great.

• 29:32David Imel?

  Retina bezels.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I love thin bezels as much as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up. I think people are overreacting to thick bezels.

• 29:40David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm not really worked up about it.

• 29:42Andrew Manganelli?

  What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside, whereas like the inside's this crazy new technology to get all of that. And I understand it. The outside's still really thick for just the front side of the phone, which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong. It's just, I think it's also just how square the thing looks, that the, the really black big bezels do the whole thing just makes it look. Like a toy almost.

• 30:09David Imel?

  Yeah, I have a prediction.

• 30:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:11David Imel?

  My prediction is that it will come out this year, but only in Korea.

• 30:15Andrew Manganelli?

  That was mine also, too.

• 30:16David Imel?

  Very likely.

• 30:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine was, yeah, announced and comes out this year, and I don't think we see it in the US till next year.

• 30:23David Imel?

  Yeah, and it'll be like limited, like a thousand units, something like that.

• 30:28Andrew Manganelli?

  For some reason, if you've never heard us talk about the tri-fold before, and you don't know why it's so weird as well.

• 30:35David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Is the way it folds.

• 30:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:38Andrew Manganelli?

  And we got to see kind of a picture of it closed from the top. And because it folds where the, so the, this is always hard to convey audio.

• 30:48David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Andrew Manganelli?

  So if you are holding your phone, what you're gonna do is you're going to take the screen and flip it to the left. And then that part is going to have to flip out one more time. And so you, the way you look at it from above, almost looks like if you took the letters, the number six and like squashed it.

• 31:06David Imel?

  So the letter G.

• 31:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the letter G. It looks like a squash letter G. And what that happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before, is we have a triple camera setup, very similar to like the.

• 31:19David Imel?

  S25.

• 31:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Like S25, regular S25s. And when you're looking at it from the back, you have the, the camera panel in the back on the left.

• 31:27David Imel?

  Then the front screen.

• 31:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Then the front screen on the right, and then just a blank panel.

• 31:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:31Andrew Manganelli?

  On the side of that, because that is the screen that is kind of living on the inside of it.

• 31:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Wait, so the screen is in the center, you mean?

• 31:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes.

• 31:38David Imel?

  Yeah, the center of the back, when it's open. Yeah, which is awesome, because the Huawei tri-fold, every time you open it, you think you're gonna break it. So. I actually think this is, this is pretty ideal. Yes. Ideal tri-fold setup. Yeah, I can't wait, dude.

• 31:53Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty cool. What I want to know is.

• 31:54David Imel?

  Can't wait.

• 31:55Andrew Manganelli?

  If we're going to, let's assume this is the same thickness as the Fold 7, which is 4.2 millimeters.

• 32:03David Imel?

  Thicker.

• 32:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I also think it's going to be thicker, but even still, just thinking of it as the, the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the opened Fold 7.

• 32:14David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Now we add that together and we're at 12.6 millimeters thick. At closed, which is funny, because that actually would fall between the Fold 5 and the Fold 6.

• 32:25David Imel?

  Wow.

• 32:25Andrew Manganelli?

  In terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive. I thought it would have.

• 32:29David Imel?

  Crazy.

• 32:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Original fold was 17 millimeters thick.

• 32:32David Imel?

  Oh, my gosh. Again.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  That phone has some thick, thick bezels, thick dimensions, and that's fine. Yeah, yeah, so.

• 32:41Andrew Manganelli?

  But that's still really, that's still a chunker phone.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'm curious about it because I want to hold it too. I want to like use it while it's close and I, I think with a 10 inch inside screen, you kind of have to go a little thicker to have more battery because Samsung's not doing silicon carbon. So how much battery do you get to fit in this phone? I don't know.

• 33:01David Imel?

  Unless they move to silicon carbon with that phone.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Maybe with this low volume, they could. I don't know. They haven't done it in any of their phones yet, so I kind of don't.

• 33:07David Imel?

  But couldn't you put battery in all three of the folds?

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Yes, definitely. So you have more room for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute and theoretically one of the three.

• 33:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Parts. So maybe it's just all battery in the rest?

• 33:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Especially because normally you have to add it into, so when it's a folding phone and has two batteries, one of them has a screen on the front and back and the other has screen and cameras on the back.

• 33:27David Imel?

  Now one can be all.

• 33:28Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a whole panel that's only screen on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to shove battery in.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  That'd be nice. Yeah, that'd be nice.

• 33:36David Imel?

  Be cool.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  I have a question for you guys.

• 33:38Andrew Manganelli?

  We probably don't have an answer.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  It's more of a speculation. How many more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches?

• 33:45David Imel?

  Multiple.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so they're going to keep going.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  Five?

• 33:48Speaker 01

  They're going to keep going on this path. So, right, it was just a glyph?

• 33:51David Imel?

  Well, first, first it was an animation that was in like the system files within the Galaxy Fold 6.

• 33:59Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it first was when they said the, because I remember a very funny story about this, is in the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy Unpacked event, they had this timeline.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:09Andrew Manganelli?

  And in the timeline, there was just a trifle that no one mentioned. And we were, that's what, that's what you're talking about with the glyph? Yeah.

• 34:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Andrew Manganelli?

  We were talking to our VRP, or the people we talked about because we did the Muhan.

• 34:20David Imel?

  The Android XR people.

• 34:21Andrew Manganelli?

  And I was just like, so what do you guys think of, like, do you think that timeline's going to be accurate that you guys posted? And like, one of them was just thinking of only about the headset, like blah blah, and the one other guy was like, hold on. We don't know about that. I like very clearly saw me trying to prod at the tripod.

• 34:36David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:36Andrew Manganelli?

  That nobody said anything about. So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then, yeah, it was like a new Android animation.

• 34:41David Imel?

  Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way that it unfolded.

• 34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And how to not fold it.

• 34:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:49Andrew Manganelli?

  The wrong way.

• 34:50David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  So if I continue to extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass, but no one can touch it. I think then they're going, they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point cameras at it and probably just take pictures of it. And then someone will be able to unfold it on video and then someone will be able to maybe make a whole review of it. They're going to tease this out as deliberately and slowly as possible because they've seen what happens when they maybe aren't so careful with their folding devices.

• 35:21David Imel?

  They're gonna give us that IV drip, you know?

• 35:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I was gonna say, remember the Surface Duo embargo?

• 35:28David Imel?

  I was literally gonna say that.

• 35:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Also just gonna ask about this.

• 35:32David Imel?

  I almost mentioned that.

• 35:33Andrew Manganelli?

  What if we create a new rule? You get one embargo per screen on your device. So I would be okay if this has three embargos on it.

• 35:41David Imel?

  So the Nintendo DS would have had two.

• 35:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. One embargo. I'm also just joking. It should always be one embargo. Maybe an impressions and a release.

• 35:48David Imel?

  For reference, the Surface Duo embargo situation, there was three embargos. There was one that was just, you could talk about the thing at the event. There was one where you could review the hardware, but not show the screen on, which was insane. And then there was like the full embargo, which came out on the day that people got their phones. Which was like-

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Where you can review the rest of the phone.

• 36:11David Imel?

  The red flags were very prominent.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  That was such a, the clearest red flag of all time because in the meantime, we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like, oh, the software's really bad.

• 36:20David Imel?

  The digitizer didn't work.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Really buggy. But when you turn the screen off, it's like stunningly thin and really, really beautiful. And then the embargo says, you're allowed to show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part, but you can't show the software until people are already pre-ordering the thing. That was-

• 36:33David Imel?

  I think it was the day that they got their devices. Like, the day the pre- came in was the day that the actual review embargo lifted.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, even worse.

• 36:40David Imel?

  So many red flags.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  So that's a, that's a huge red flag. That still happens today, by the way. Like, there are lots of phones where I skip the first embargo because the first embargo is, "You're allowed to acknowledge its existence." And then the second embargo is, "You're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera." And then the third embargo is, "You're allowed to unbox it." And then the fourth embargo is, "You're allowed to review it." And I just skip all of the first three. Why would I participate in the free press and just wait until I review the thing? So, yeah, it, it happens to this day. It's kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. We're gonna, I'm gonna try to get one anyway. I'm gonna try to, like, source one through retail or Dbrand and whatever we can, just to, just to review the thing because it seems sick.

• 37:19David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  But yeah, I guarantee they're gonna slow drip this thing.

• 37:22David Imel?

  Yeah. I don't mind multiple embargoes as long as the last one is before people can spend their money.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  That all heart agree. It's a good rule.

• 37:28David Imel?

  Yeah, that's a good rule. Speaking of spending money,

• 37:33David Imel?

  me, if I were to bet money on trivia.

• 37:38David Imel?

  But, uh, we can't do that according to the FCC. And we shouldn't do that. I'm just joking. We probably could.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Online gambling is melting.

• 37:47David Imel?

  By the way, speaking of gambling, I was at, I was at a party that, the other night, and they had, uh, they had poker tables. Hmm. And I walked in like a big baller. And I played one hand, and I won one hand, and then I pieced the [bleep] out. And it was great. I was like, "I'm statistically improbably up."

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Casinos hate him.

• 38:06David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  And I made-

• 38:07David Imel?

  Casinos hate him. They hate this one rule. And $37, baby, $37. I got three aces. That's a crazy-

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Wait, you sat down for one hand and, and hold them?

• 38:20David Imel?

  David-

• 38:20Speaker 01

  And got triple aces?

• 38:21David Imel?

  You can't, wait.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  And then pieced?

• 38:23David Imel?

  Yeah, because I'm not gonna get that luck again. If you have two aces and there's one in the-

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 38:28David Imel?

  Or in the river. And, yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  That's insane. When I, I got, I think. Did you have, like, a good poker face the whole time? Like, you sat down for your first hand, holding two aces?

• 38:36David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  And you got a, an ace on the turn and just- How did you not take everyone's money? Those $37?

• 38:43David Imel?

  There was a guy that tried to, he was like 15, because the minimum bet was five. And he, he was like 15, and I was like, "Okay."

• 38:51David Imel?

  I should've just gone all in because it was a hundred dollar buy-in, but whatever.

• 38:55Speaker 04

  That is hilarious. Well, I'm glad it worked out.

• 38:58David Imel?

  Alright, I guess. Yeah, whatever. I mean, I have a basis.

• 39:01Speaker 04

  Well, you know what's not worth 15? Unless you give me 15 points on? Today's trivia question? Yeah. I'll think about it. Okay. But low-temperature polycrystalline oxide, or LTPO, was developed by Apple when they were trying to get a more efficient OLED screen together. Okay. Samsung, to navigate patent law, actually developed their own similar technology, which can be found in the S25 lineup. What is Samsung's version of LTPO called? It has a very silly name.

• 39:40Speaker 03

  That's a great question, and I didn't know it.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  Very goofy. I thought I knew it, but now I'm feeling like I might not. I'll give you a hint. Big speed pixels? I'll think of a hint that doesn't give it all away. Mark has really bold.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  He already wrote it.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  Anyway. Fan Edition.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  Finally, a tech question on the Waveform Podcast. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay.

• 40:08David Imel?

  Wow.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Well, hey, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll either get it right, or we'll learn something. Be right back.

• 40:13David Imel?

  We're bold.

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• 42:30Speaker 03

  Welcome back. This is now the Adam Cast because for the next 48 minutes, I'm just going to yell at you about the new Teenage Engineering product and you are going to sit there and be happy. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor. No, basically Teenage Engineering released a new sampler product called the Rhythm and Ting, getting major inspiration from Jamaican reggae. Oh, it's on purpose. Yeah, yeah, it's on purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to like get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and everything like that. Also, some of the proceeds go to Hurricane relief, I believe, which is cool.

• 43:08David Imel?

  Nice.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  You guys had questions, you said?

• 43:10David Imel?

  What is it?

• 43:11Speaker 03

  What is it? What is it?

• 43:14Andrew Manganelli?

  What is it and why do I want it despite not knowing what it is?

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Everything they make looks like a fun toy. It's a fun, cool thing. If you remember, I think last year, was it last year, early this year? I forget, but we interviewed on this very podcast, someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders, to talk about their release of the EP133, which was a sample little box thing. So this is also based on that platform. This is the, wait, checks notes, checks notes, the EP40. So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation with a bunch of buttons and they all kind of look the same. Like they developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  So the first one was the EP133 that we spoke about during that interview a year ago. The second one was the medieval one, which was like, when it launched, I think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like, is this a joke or not? But it's, it kind of was. It's like, it's a sampler box, but with medieval sounds.

• 44:22David Imel?

  I loved it.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  In it, like harpsichord and stuff.

• 44:24David Imel?

  I love it.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:25David Imel?

  I own a harpsichord, by the way.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Nice. Big organ guy. When are you gonna bring it in? They had organ in there too, I believe.

• 44:30David Imel?

  Yeah, I can bring it in whenever you want. What?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  I've been to your apartment. Where's your harpsichord?

• 44:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It's in the harpsichord room.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  It is a room.

• 44:39David Imel?

  Yeah, it's in my mom's house.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Oh, okay. I was like, it took me a second to register, because that's not like a small instrument.

• 44:45David Imel?

  Fun fact, in high school, I played harpsichord and I played ocarina and I also played didgeridoo.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Why can't you play a normal instrument?

• 44:52David Imel?

  That is unreal.

• 44:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm imagining like the, those like, uh, street performers that have a bunch connected together and him having those three somehow.

• 45:04David Imel?

  Dude, you would have crushed with that. What's this one?

• 45:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Accordion?

• 45:06David Imel?

  Accordion? We had an accordion in my band.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Accordion's too normal. He needs like harmonium.

• 45:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, sorry.

• 45:13David Imel?

  You would have been the greatest one man band of all time.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  I was a special type of hippie in high school, I'll tell you that.

• 45:19David Imel?

  David, I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that. I'm really sorry.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  No, I totally deserved that. Anyway, continue. I think it's cool, David. Thanks, Adam. Continue. Yeah, so this EP40 is their latest installment of the platform, basically, which has a bunch of like rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling Supertone. And I think, I believe you got like seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have, so that is like purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording, but it is the little like walkie talkie device. The coolest thing. The coolest thing. Nice, nice.

• 45:57Andrew Manganelli?

  What is the like trucker radio called, Ellis?

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Like the always on like?

• 46:03David Imel?

  Like ham?

• 46:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this looks like the thing, like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker. Or like a cop and yeah, it's like connected to the side.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, but if like Fisher Price made it.

• 46:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like really sick Fisher Price.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it's like multiple colors. PBT Fisher Price. So basically, all that thing is, is a microphone. That's it. Yes. But it has certain features. So for example, the, I think if you guys listen to,

• 46:31Speaker 03

  I think the most recent Trivia Extravaganza, Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound, it has robot sound, it has just be, being like a regular microphone, so you could like talk into it, kind of like a walkie talkie. Then there's a fourth option, which is like a lofi version, so it makes it sound like it's coming out of like an old radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I believe. Like preloaded samples. So the whole thing, basically, it's not too much different than their last two products, which is, it's basically just a sampling machine.

• 47:10Andrew Manganelli?

  With a theme?

• 47:12Speaker 03

  With a theme, yeah. So they're all kind of the same. You can, like, if you have an older sampler machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples onto it, for the most part, minus the, the new synth, and they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the most part, it's like, you can just get these sounds, anything. It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the, the vibe for every individual.

• 47:32Andrew Manganelli?

  The orange, green is so good on like the cream color. It's... It is.

• 47:38David Imel?

  I like their running with these new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit like other people were copying them and it started to be a kind of an old aesthetic. And now that they're getting into the medieval stuff and the reggae styled stuff, like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out like that.

• 47:59Andrew Manganelli?

  They're keeping their like identity in it with like these bits of orange, but then they, when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic.

• 48:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Andrew Manganelli?

  They're bringing in all these fun new fonts and like colors and yeah, like pictures on it while still keeping that like creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color. And it's just.

• 48:19David Imel?

  I really wish I was artistically talented.

• 48:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Agreed. I mean, me too.

• 48:24David Imel?

  Yeah, same.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  What is, what does this thing do that the old EP133 does, doesn't do? And what does the EP133 do that this doesn't do?

• 48:34Speaker 03

  The old EP133, I believe, does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features. That is the supertone synth engine and live looping, I believe, or looping, something with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can like play along with preloaded loops and stuff. So they just like kind of built on top of what the EP133 already did. And the original EP133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has 128, so it has double that, baby. A whole 128 megabytes.

• 49:13David Imel?

  Taking every ounce of restriction in my body to not buy the $630 Bluetooth speaker.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Oh, that Bluetooth speaker's fire.

• 49:21David Imel?

  Because the top of it looks, look at this.

• 49:24Andrew Manganelli?

  It kind of looks like a battery, like a car battery.

• 49:27David Imel?

  Yeah. Don't you want a car battery looking speaker?

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Teenage engineering is like one of those companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them. And then a whole other side of the internet that everyone hates it. It's like, why is this thing so expensive?

• 49:41David Imel?

  Because it's form over function.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just like a fun thing and they charge for that.

• 49:47David Imel?

  Yeah, for sure. They have a $900 version with a sticker on it. Sick. The little John Lennon.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  They have a desk that's like two G's or something. Like it's crazy.

• 49:56David Imel?

  Yeah. No, I, this is not. They also had a free computer case, so they just mess around sometimes.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, they just mess around and do things.

• 50:03Andrew Manganelli?

  The loop thing, it says a live loop performance mode. So it seems like you can loop live.

• 50:08David Imel?

  Ooh, Mark R. B. A. is salivating.

• 50:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Speaker or something.

• 50:11David Imel?

  Um, Adam, did you already buy the, the pack that comes with the rhythm ting and the bag?

• 50:17Andrew Manganelli?

  The bag is.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  I did not get the bag, but I.

• 50:19David Imel?

  Didn't get the bag?

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Cause I already have a Teenage Engineering bag that John will.

• 50:23David Imel?

  You're the bag guy.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  I know, but I have too many bags, bro. I'm trying to like cut back.

• 50:27David Imel?

  Bag guy by Billy Eyelash.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  Got the, the version that did not have the bag.

• 50:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Did you get the socks?

• 50:33Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 50:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Thirty dollars socks.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Thirty dollars.

• 50:35David Imel?

  That ain't bad. It comes with two pairs. Oh, no, it doesn't. Two pack.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Two pack?

• 50:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, two pack. No, that is two pairs.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Is that two socks or two pairs?

• 50:42David Imel?

  No, two pack. I think it comes with two socks.

• 50:44Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, two socks.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  A two pack?

• 50:47David Imel?

  They should not come out of two pack.

• 50:49Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 50:49David Imel?

  Wait.

• 50:50Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, it comes with.

• 50:51David Imel?

  Are you sure?

• 50:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, I'm sure. It's one's green and one's white.

• 50:54David Imel?

  Well, yeah. Well, yes, that's two socks.

• 50:56Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, one pair is green, one pair is white. Look, yep, rhythm ting, rhythm ting.

• 51:03David Imel?

  Okay.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  You guys really think a two pack of socks is only two socks?

• 51:07David Imel?

  I, you can never tell with Teenage Engineering. You can never tell.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's hard.

• 51:12David Imel?

  Like you call it a pair of pants. You know what I mean? But it's one pant.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  It's pants.

• 51:16David Imel?

  It's, you get two pant legs, but they're connected, but you still call it a pair.

• 51:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I guess. I don't want to do the sock argument any longer. I don't think.

• 51:24David Imel?

  I kinda wanna stay in the sock argument.

• 51:27David Imel?

  Two pack socks and green and white pair. That still isn't clear.

• 51:32Andrew Manganelli?

  A green and white pair.

• 51:33David Imel?

  That's not clear.

• 51:34Andrew Manganelli?

  A green pair and a white pair.

• 51:35David Imel?

  That's not, a green and white pair, a green and white pair.

• 51:39Andrew Manganelli?

  You can count four socks, cause they have the names on them. They have the diff, cause each sock.

• 51:43David Imel?

  Oh, you have to scroll. You have to scroll. Okay, it's two pairs. Confirmed. It's not clear until you scroll through the pictures that you're getting. Because one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:56David Imel?

  And then it says.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  I agree with that. I did originally think one was green.

• 51:59David Imel?

  Which could be a pair that is green and white. You should say a green pair and a white pair if they want to be clear. That's what they should say. If they want to be clear. Anyway.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, this is, uh, pretty much if you are at all paying attention to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform, if you were a fan of the other ones, you'd probably be a fan of this one. If it's not for you, then you're not going to like this one either.

• 52:19David Imel?

  Do you already own the other one, Adam?

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I own both of these. And now I ordered this one, so I own all three.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  I want it. This is like the first Teenage Engineering product I've wanted. You can play with it. I'll bring it in.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:29David Imel?

  And yet you sold your OP1.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  I did. I sold the OP1 many moons ago. I miss it.

• 52:34David Imel?

  Okay. Well, speaking of green things, um, Fairphone launched the green Fairphone 6 this year.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 52:41David Imel?

  Wow. I know, pretty green. Evergreen. And, uh, we talked about it quite a lot, but Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand, and that's kind of been a bummer. Right. I did, uh, get one of my close friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very proud of her because she came from an iPhone and...

• 52:59Speaker 03

  From an iPhone to a Fairphone?

• 53:01David Imel?

  Yeah, I know. It was crazy.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  That's an amazing accomplishment. What did you do to sell this to her?

• 53:05David Imel?

  No, so it was amazing. So actually what happened was that we, I had just had a briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she texts me randomly and she was, she sent me a link to the Fairphone 5 and she was like, "If I get this, then I can like offload. I don't have to deal with Apple anymore." And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm getting a 6." Anyway, it's incredible. And...

• 53:26Speaker 03

  I have never heard anyone utter that sentence.

• 53:28David Imel?

  Yeah. She's complained about it a lot for sure, but I keep saying I won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone. And she's like, "No, I'm committed." She's committed. But the fun thing about it is that she broke one of the cameras. And I was like, "Oh, I'm going to get you a new camera." And she's like, "No, no, no, it's fine." And I said, "This is more for me than for you." Because... Let me do this. The whole point of this phone is that you can order individual parts. I need this use case to be real. Yes. So I was able to order an individual camera module that I can replace in her.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  How much was the camera module?

• 53:58David Imel?

  Uh, I don't know.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Do you remember?

• 53:59David Imel?

  No, I don't remember. But anyway, the news is that they are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States. So through Amazon, at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbuds XL, which we talked about last year a little bit, but they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So that's nice.

• 54:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything?

• 54:20David Imel?

  Yeah, we had the briefing, he was like, "It's better drivers, it's a better headband, it's more replaceable." And they're not changing the name at all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer.

• 54:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Sure.

• 54:30David Imel?

  So those are coming out very soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as well. They're in advanced talks with a lot of US carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. So you will officially be able to, you know, put a SIM card in it and, you know, do that and maybe do eSIM. So I think that apparently the company grew 61% year over year this year, which means that people are really starting to be excited about their whole, you know, low mining movement and stuff like that, very repairability movement, at least in Europe. And I think that there is a similar kind of movement in the United States,

• 55:14David Imel?

  although we are mostly dominated by iOS, so we'll see how that happens in the US. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to, you know, import it and then kind of have it work on your carrier.

• 55:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I mean, a lot of our listeners are based in the US and they hear us talk about Fairphone, so now they might actually be able to.

• 55:32David Imel?

  Yeah, so that's a pretty good deal.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  I'm really curious to see how it does.

• 55:37David Imel?

  Yeah, me too.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Europe, it's a lot of Android phones. So it's like a bigger pool for them to kind of dominate. That is not the case here, although it is growing, I guess.

• 55:47David Imel?

  There's a growing environmentally conscious swath of people in the United States.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  I mean, Ellis is very environmentally conscious, but good luck getting him off of iOS.

• 55:56David Imel?

  Well, exactly. His way of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading from his iPhone 12 mini, which, you know, he's doing his part. Anyway, so that was some quick news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin, only slightly thicker than the iPhone Air, but it has a 4,800-million-hour battery, which is wild.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  That's crazy. The S25 Ultra has a 5,000 milliamp hour battery.

• 56:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Imagining Marques like in a cave painting 4,800 milliamp hours.

• 56:42David Imel?

  Silicon carb.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love me some silicon carb. This is, this is how you enable this form factor to actually be usable because this is what I was saying with the S25 Edge and the iPhone Air, which is like, okay, they're super thin and they have obviously worse batteries because physics. But silicon carbon allowing you to get greater energy density in these smaller batteries. This is the thing that would make it usable and at least be less concerning to me that you could use the phone all day. And here comes Motorola of all people, Moto Edge 70. They go ultra thin. It is silicon carbon. Yes. And it is 4,800 milliamp hours. So it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now. The S25 Plus battery today is 4,900 milliamp hours.

• 57:24David Imel?

  So it's almost the same.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone.

• 57:28David Imel?

  Yeah, love that. Yeah, you know, I am still on team. Instead of making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Well, those phones are coming. Don't worry.

• 57:39David Imel?

  Yeah, don't worry. That's true. I'm excited.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  But if you want the ultra thinness, that too can be.

• 57:44David Imel?

  Yeah. And if everyone wants to eventually make foldables, it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a foldable in the future.

• 57:53Andrew Manganelli?

  When I was writing this, I kept getting confused because it's called the Edge, which to Motorola's credit, they've had the Edge name for a while.

• 58:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's been, it's been their flagship.

• 58:03David Imel?

  They had the Razor Edge for a while too.

• 58:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. And so this makes perfect sense, but I kept writing Samsung Edge.

• 58:08David Imel?

  Oh.

• 58:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Or I kept writing Edge, but then I had to, because I was comparing it to the Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses, this is 5.99 millimeters thick.

• 58:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:16Andrew Manganelli?

  iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters and the Samsung Edge is 5.8 millimeters. Also, battery wise, 4,800 milliamp hours on the Motorola Edge, 3149 in the Air, 3,900 in the Samsung Edge.

• 58:29David Imel?

  Wow.

• 58:30Andrew Manganelli?

  So it is doing great versus all of those, despite being barely, barely thicker. I think it's like.

• 58:36David Imel?

  Yeah, less than a millimeter.

• 58:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Less than a third of a millimeter or like a third of a millimeter.

• 58:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 58:42Andrew Manganelli?

  But so we haven't gotten one. There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting. For $920.

• 58:49David Imel?

  Which is a lot.

• 58:50Andrew Manganelli?

  This phone is apparently just cooked with bloatware and ads. It includes things like Candy Crush, Monopoly, Pinterest, Copilot, all pre-installed.

• 59:02David Imel?

  Nothing's looking pretty good right now, not gonna lie.

• 59:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Including, that's why I said then, like, we'll talk about bloatware.

• 59:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 59:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Including a ton of Motorola apps, apparently.

• 59:11David Imel?

  Wow.

• 59:12Andrew Manganelli?

  And then they also have ads in two different forms from what I've seen, which is, one is a folder in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  That you don't have installed.

• 59:21Andrew Manganelli?

  That you don't have installed.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  My least favorite thing.

• 59:22Andrew Manganelli?

  And then also a live lock screen. And according to The Verge, sometimes it shows links to articles, but about every fourth lock screen change is just a fullscreen Timu ad.

• 59:33David Imel?

  No way, dude.

• 59:35Andrew Manganelli?

  So, for, that is crazy. For like a hundred dollar phone, it's $920 and you get this.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Not the, the, the capitalist nightmare phone. This is.

• 59:46David Imel?

  Marquez is your, still, ying right now.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  This is the thing about Motorola, like, they've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple of years that are like, they, they, they're a blip on the radar and we see them and we go, huh. And then we just kind of move on. Like, they've been, like, strong in the budget space for a while. And then every six to eight months, they come out with a flagship and we go, ah, it's not really hitting. Like, they, they did an okay job here and it will kind of pass, but like, this is another version of, and this isn't even a flagship, like, chip in this phone or flagship camera in this phone, this is just a very thin phone.

• 1:00:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It's also not a US device.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  It's a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4, uh, 900 something dollars to just, I mean, silicon carbon is great, but it's another.

• 1:00:29David Imel?

  Other silicon carbon.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  It's another, like, weird kind of miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things.

• 1:00:36David Imel?

  They had to pay for the Pantone color swatch.

• 1:00:38Andrew Manganelli?

  That was the other interesting thing I saw, I was like, is that a Pantone swatch on the bottom of?

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  They've been doing this.

• 1:00:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think it's even a glass back, so I'm assuming the back's gonna change colors very quickly.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Well, so they're.

• 1:00:48Andrew Manganelli?

  And it's just a Pantone swatch also?

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  They're for some reason obsessed with this, even, I think, like, four or five years ago, on the Razr. They were like, this, they have this, we have a, we have a phone in like, black, white, gray, and the Pantone Color of the Year, bright pink. And it was like, a whole big deal that they could use the Pantone Color of the Year, and they've just been doing it ever since, as if anyone cares about the Pantone Color of the Year.

• 1:01:10David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  But this one has the swatch picture on the back of the phone.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  They're leaning even more into it now.

• 1:01:16David Imel?

  That goes kinda hard.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  It's kinda.

• 1:01:18David Imel?

  I was gonna say, that is really cool.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  They have to explain to someone why you have a swatch on the back of your phone. And you gotta be like, oh, this is the Pantone color. And someone goes, well, what's that? And you have to go, oh.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  This would be so funny if it had the same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did, where the whole phone starts shifting color, but the Pantone stays exactly the same. And you just can now see the difference.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  It would also be funny if Motorola stopped paying Pantone and then it just turned black like it did in Photoshop.

• 1:01:45David Imel?

  You just lose access to the color.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  That would be crazy.

• 1:01:48David Imel?

  That would be.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, see, they did this last year. This was the Pantone color of the year.

• 1:01:51David Imel?

  Mocha, moose.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  And the year before was Fiesta red.

• 1:01:55David Imel?

  It's just brown.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just brown.

• 1:01:56David Imel?

  To be clear.

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  But it's a certain hex value of brown.

• 1:01:59David Imel?

  Yeah, it's a special brown that you have to pay way too much for.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  That will eventually start wiping off in your pocket.

• 1:02:04David Imel?

  Appreciate it, and no one else can appreciate it like you.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  I miss old Motorola. Honestly, I know they're still dominating the budget space, but like, they're still dominating.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  It's cliche to say, I miss the old insert whatever here, but old Motorola cooked for a while. They had the Droid, obviously, back in those days, but then they had like the Droid X and they had that sort of hard hitting.

• 1:02:24David Imel?

  Droid.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they had some bad phones too, like they usually do, but they had some good phones back in the day. It's good stuff.

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing, they always had like a bunch of options.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Moto X.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, Moto X was a good one. Like, you can get a budget good Motorola, you could get a really cheap crappy Motorola phone, or like a top tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kinda like, they just shifted towards budget.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Now, that's all one phone, baby. You get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in one package.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Candy crush, baby.

• 1:02:56David Imel?

  Speak, real quick, speaking of like Google stuff, that like, that, cause we were, this is kinda, cause it's Android. And we were talking about the Fairphone. I just want to make one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairphone. She was like, she was like, oh, and also like, when I swipe to the left, it has like these Google article recommendations and they're like amazing. And I was like, what?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  I wish I was that innocent.

• 1:03:20David Imel?

  I was like, everything it ever-

• 1:03:21Andrew Manganelli?

  My brother-in-law uses them too.

• 1:03:22David Imel?

  Everything it ever serves me is just like shovelware, like horrible-

• 1:03:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine are pretty good.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  Mine is awesome. What are you talking about? No, no, no. I stopped using the OnePlus phone because I couldn't turn that off. I was so upset.

• 1:03:36Andrew Manganelli?

  My brother-in-law uses no social media, so that's just where he gets news from, pretty much. And so like-

• 1:03:42David Imel?

  That's the same with her.

• 1:03:43Andrew Manganelli?

  He always sends me stuff and he's like, oh, I just saw it on the whatever.

• 1:03:46David Imel?

  She, she's like in school right now and she's been taking like these classes about monkeys. And apparently she's serving her a bunch of like different random chimpanzee articles and she finds it interesting. That's cool for you.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Google knows a little bit about her.

• 1:03:59David Imel?

  I told her, I was like, there is one Google engineer who is like, oh my God, it's working.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  The engagement on this one note is through the roof.

• 1:04:07David Imel?

  Yeah, they just got a raise. That's how.

• 1:04:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. I've got one more thing to talk about and I'll try and make it really fast, even though it looks like I wrote a million things on it.

• 1:04:14David Imel?

  Soulja Boy?

• 1:04:15Andrew Manganelli?

  But it is new Soulja Boy copyright infringement just dropped.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Tell them, man. Tell them.

• 1:04:21Andrew Manganelli?

  You know, sometimes we just miss the old days in like 2017.

• 1:04:25David Imel?

  You miss the old Soulja Boy?

• 1:04:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I miss the old tech days of like DXO mark and screen to body ratios. And you know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is Soulja Boy ripping off a fake gaming console and selling it for way too much money on his website.

• 1:04:39David Imel?

  He did it again?

• 1:04:40Andrew Manganelli?

  He did it again. And I just have to say-

• 1:04:44David Imel?

  Holy crap.

• 1:04:44Andrew Manganelli?

  My favorite part about this is it's available at SouljaBoy.net, which is the greatest domain name that's ever existed. But essentially this is, uh, it's called the Soulja Boy Flip for $436, has a 5.5 inch 1080p AMOLED screen, Snapdragon 865, 8 gigs of RAM, Android 13 for a premium retro gaming experience, active cooling, Wi-Fi 6, a 5,000 milliamp hour battery, which also something called the Retro pocket flip 2 does for $230.

• 1:05:14David Imel?

  Yes, double the price.

• 1:05:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It is the exact same thing, including all of the product photos on SouljaBoy.net are the exact same thing.

• 1:05:22David Imel?

  SouljaBoy.net is a work of art. I just want to, just for audio listeners, I just want to tell you one by one, as I scroll down SouljaBoy.net, what you encounter.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  The first thing you see is him in a screenshot flexing a watch on a livestream. Then you scroll down and there's a tour and shop button. You scroll down again, there's a device, the flip. You scroll down one more time and there's smart glasses. Oh boy. And you scroll down one more time and there's just a Soulja Boy Tell Me Music video embedded from YouTube. What, what, why would you buy Soulja Boy smart glasses?

• 1:05:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, there's, he has a forum, forum posts?

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Where?

• 1:06:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Forum comments.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  Oh no.

• 1:06:02Andrew Manganelli?

  But.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  I love this website so much.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Click on a 404s, it says there's nothing here.

• 1:06:08Andrew Manganelli?

  There is one picture that is not directly ripped from the Retroid website. And that is a box that says Soulja Game, www.soulja boy.net as a sticker on a box. But if you look to the side, you can see the front of the box is the Retroid logo. So it's literally being shipped in the same box, which is a sticker on the side that says Soulja Game.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  How does this happen? Like, so I, sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like an obviously not very tech savvy celebrity who like, actually they got duped, where like someone came to them and they were like, I have an idea. We can sell these, this gadget with your name on it and your fans will love it. And then it's actually the celebrity that got duped. And this happened arguably with like, um, some other people with like crypto stuff. And now with this Soulja Boy thing, like, I don't, I don't understand how this, this guy who's online and knows this.

• 1:07:03Andrew Manganelli?

  This time I can't answer that for you because I, I agree. This kind of feels like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship. It's really hard to do this when you've done this already and got in trouble for it.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you lose the benefit of the doubt.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  Is it really so bad to sell a white label product?

• 1:07:19Andrew Manganelli?

  But this isn't even, this is like, not even AliExpress drop ship white label. This is like US company with a patent he's buying.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  And also without permission.

• 1:07:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Putting a sticker on it. And that company has said, we have the patents for it.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  No one got mad at Aston Martin when they did it.

• 1:07:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know that reference.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  At, look, Google Aston Martin Signet. C Y G N E T.

• 1:07:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sure people got mad.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  It's literally, it's literally a, it's a, it's a Toyota IQ that they just put an Aston Martin badge on and sold it as an Aston Martin.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Did they buy it from Toyota?

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Uh, no, you could get it. This is a Toyota IQ at the same time. They just, it was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that the, you had to have an average MPG across your whole line.

• 1:07:59David Imel?

  Is that when Volkswagen got in trouble because they were lying?

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  No, this is separate. This is like, they needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Aston Martin's cars at the time were like these big V10.

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  And anyway, so yeah, they just, but, but no one was like, oh, they're scamming people. You know what I mean? So why come after Solja?

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Tell me, tell me.

• 1:08:20David Imel?

  If you buy the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 from Retroid, it's $209. So it's literally half the price.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  But maybe you want the Solja brand.

• 1:08:28David Imel?

  No, but.

• 1:08:28Andrew Manganelli?

  But the Solja brand is just not a sticker on the box.

• 1:08:31David Imel?

  It's a sticker on the box. It's not even on the device.

• 1:08:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Nothing on the device says Solja brand. It's literally, it comes in the box that he bought it from Retroid in.

• 1:08:39David Imel?

  With a small sticker.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  I think, I think we live in a world where everything is just a white labeled something. So.

• 1:08:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm whatever.

• 1:08:47David Imel?

  I'm even white labeled.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  I told my cousin to buy a pair of Tozo earbuds this morning.

• 1:08:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know what that is. You must hate your cousin.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  We're too deep.

• 1:08:55David Imel?

  The fact that the company who makes it is angry should probably.

• 1:09:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. They're mad. They said he does not have permission to rebrand our products and sell them. Yes. Retroid has responded about this.

• 1:09:07David Imel?

  So this is not an official collaboration?

• 1:09:09Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I just assumed that he, he, he bought a bunch from.

• 1:09:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. I was wondering where all that defending was. No, Retroid said he does not have permission to do this.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  That's.

• 1:09:18David Imel?

  That's cool.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  All right. I take it all back.

• 1:09:20Andrew Manganelli?

  The last game he sold had to get taken down as well for the same.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  You know, you can just like legally do this, right? Damn. All right. Leave this all in, Adam. I need to. Wow.

• 1:09:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, cool. That's enough of that. But it was way too funny and reminded me of the last time he did this.

• 1:09:36David Imel?

  Solja boy, tell him.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  You know, uh, what I'm never wrong about?

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:09:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I please open this with a correction.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Correction from last.

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  It kind of is a correction from many years ago, though. Many years ago, I gave you guys a trivia question and I'm bringing it back. It's the same exact question because at that time I got the answer wrong. And I think I corrected it, but I just want to see if you guys remember. So what was Teenage Engineering's first product?

• 1:10:08Andrew Manganelli?

  The exact name or just like, what was it?

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  What was it?

• 1:10:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Because last time I said this, I gave the wrong answer. Someone from Teenage Engineering actually reached out, told me what it was. I then told you guys the following.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  I sort of vaguely.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  And now I want you guys to tell me about this.

• 1:10:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I remember that happening. I don't remember what it was.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, same. But it was one of those like, you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore.

• 1:10:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, but those people who followed.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  But obviously, if you work for the company, you're well aware of that.

• 1:10:35Speaker 03

  I will say that the proof that this person gave me was a Tumblr page. So that's how long ago it was.

• 1:10:40Andrew Manganelli?

  I think he was also like, super chill about it.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, they were super nice. He was just like, hey, just a heads up. That wasn't our first product.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Interesting. Well, once again, we will either know the answer or we will relearn something. So stay tuned for that at the end. We'll be right back.

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• 1:12:53Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, welcome back. We are changing things up a little bit for video listener or video watchers. You might have noticed Andrew is now in the producer's chair and Alison and Adam are at the table. And also David sitting next to Marquez because Hi. I have a little trivia game for you all. The closer we get to Thanksgiving, the less news stories we get. So I decided to create somewhat of a game. I closed my laptop.

• 1:13:17David Imel?

  Yeah, we're good.

• 1:13:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, can I close my laptop? Yep. No laptops are No laptops. Yeah, buddy. So what I did was I stole a category from Jeopardy. So if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's called before and after. Chef Jeopardy. Do you know how that works? Yes. You do? Okay. I do not. So you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe I have it already. You're wrong. If you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word. Oh, man. I pulled a couple of examples from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to think of these. So I'm going to tell you two Je- two Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works.

• 1:13:59Andrew Manganelli?

  So old cat and mouse team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show. The answer would be Tom and Jerry Springer. Say that again, David? Oh. Or you're Justin Kelly? No, so, so ready? You're gonna get two clues.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:14:14Andrew Manganelli?

  And the answer for it is two words connected by a shared word. And the way you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice. So I'll give you another example. Paul McCartney's Bond theme plays as Bruce Willis fights off bad guys at Nakatomi Building. Correct.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my man.

• 1:14:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Great job.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  You guys are cooked.

• 1:14:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. Pop culture references?

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  My cousin and I don't know anything about pop.

• 1:14:36Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, no, it's not this. I made all the questions tech. Those were just to go through the examples.

• 1:14:40Speaker 03

  Okay, great.

• 1:14:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:14:42Andrew Manganelli?

  So, um, like I said. Are we teams?

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Andrew Manganelli?

  It's you and me.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  It's Marques and David versus Ellis and I have faith in us.

• 1:14:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm going to, one, I'm not as creative as Jeopardy. So they make the, the sentences and phrases very, mine are just like blank and blank. And you create the word. Um, and I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Nothing in front of one.

• 1:15:06Andrew Manganelli?

  One of them is, uh, both of these kind of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. Yeah, we all know that. Um, my first is as long as the pronunciation is the same, I'm count, it can be the linked word. Example, lift and lift. So like lift the company with a Y and lift, I will count those as the same connected word. Okay. My other one is a lot of companies like to put two words together as one. I will allow those individual words inside of a singular name to be the word. So, so if I use the example, a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of at Amazon, the answer would be Google Jam Board of Directors. Holy smoke.

• 1:15:49Speaker 03

  This is insane.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  All right, all right.

• 1:15:51Andrew Manganelli?

  So I've made.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Don't worry like this.

• 1:15:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Alice, how's your back?

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Wow. Cause you're gonna be carrying, that's my guy.

• 1:15:56Andrew Manganelli?

  I really hope I did a good job because I feel like there's a lot of.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's good.

• 1:16:01Andrew Manganelli?

  There's a lot of potential here. It's just. I'm so bad at this in actual Jeopardy. It's like. The couple, last couple of rules, I'm gonna say 60 seconds to give me a final answer.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:12David Imel?

  So are we writing it down?

• 1:16:13Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you guys are gonna say, so the way I want it is I want you to discuss with each other, since you're on a team. I'm going to do turns, though, where

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  So what do you?

• 1:16:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Each Each question

• 1:16:27Andrew Manganelli?

  To make it fair, each question's worth two points. I'm gonna go in turn. If you don't get it, it can get passed to the next team, but they'll only get one point if they get it right, because they got to hear all of your deliberations.

• 1:16:37David Imel?

  Oh, I see.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:38Andrew Manganelli?

  So I want you to discuss it during these 60 seconds, because this is still a podcast, so it has to be interesting.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  How do we discuss it whether the other team hear?

• 1:16:46Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you can hear, but they, when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point.

• 1:16:49David Imel?

  Exactly.

• 1:16:50Andrew Manganelli?

  So that's my way of trying to combat that, because I don't want you guys to be like, shh, don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so I have an even amount of questions, and I have a tiebreaker question, just in case.

• 1:17:02Speaker 04

  Okay. What's our team name?

• 1:17:04David Imel?

  I was gonna go with Markavid, but

• 1:17:06Speaker 04

  Mark

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  I'm in.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  Can we do Team Meat?

• 1:17:12David Imel?

  Team Meat?

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  Because it's just Team backwards, so Team Meat? Yeah, and it also stands for Molina Ellis Adam.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Team.

• 1:17:21Speaker 04

  Team.

• 1:17:22David Imel?

  The Molina Ellis Adam Team.

• 1:17:23Speaker 04

  There it is.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Teampeoplemeat.com.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Team, Team Farmers Meat, Farmers Only.

• 1:17:29Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, I have one more clarification. Because some of these were so hard to do, every question has at least one tech thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy, and I tried to make them tech-related.

• 1:17:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:17:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay?

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:17:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. Who would like to go first?

• 1:17:48David Imel?

  American Eagle.

• 1:17:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll let you two decide.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Theoretically, it doesn't matter who goes first, points-wise, because even questions, so.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  I feel like they can go first, right?

• 1:17:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Okay. We'll let Host go first.

• 1:17:57David Imel?

  Yeah, we'll go, we'll go clockwise.

• 1:17:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Again, I'm just going to reiterate the rules. Don't say the linked word twice. Say it as one phrase.

• 1:18:05David Imel?

  Right.

• 1:18:05Andrew Manganelli?

  And then you have 60 seconds. I'll, I'll tell you when you're almost done.

• 1:18:09David Imel?

  I'm ready.

• 1:18:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so question number one.

• 1:18:10David Imel?

  All right.

• 1:18:11Andrew Manganelli?

  An announced but never released home device and a Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work in today's technology.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  Bixby Home Alone.

• 1:18:19David Imel?

  Yeah, Bixby Home Alone.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  But it's Galaxy Home, right? Is it the name of the product?

• 1:18:22David Imel?

  Galaxy Home Alone.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Samsung Galaxy Home is the name of the product, right?

• 1:18:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Okay, and it's Home Alone.

• 1:18:27David Imel?

  Wait, what was the movie again? Say it again.

• 1:18:29Andrew Manganelli?

  A Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work with today's technology.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, Home Alone. So I think it's Samsung Galaxy Home Alone.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  All right. Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Final answer.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's go.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  Not Home Alone 2?

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Was that from 1990? Lost in New York.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  Lost in New York.

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  That was good.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  I'm glad I knew the movie because I usually don't know the movie.

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:18:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I tried to make the pop culture references not too crazy, but some of them, it's hard to link a lot of names when every product device just ends in a number. And it's really hard to link a number into another tech product.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  You know what weirdly gave it away for me?

• 1:19:06Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  I, it is burned into my brain that Home Alone is, came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are this 80s movie? Uh, did not actually come out in the 80s.

• 1:19:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, this quintessential 80s movie.

• 1:19:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Best Christmas movie.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Ellis and I have slated bar trivia before, by the way.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  It is true.

• 1:19:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. A Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPad and broadcast.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  HomePod.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  What is a portmanteau? Oh, I get it.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  HomePod mini, wait, portmanteau of what?

• 1:19:38Speaker 04

  Of, of broadcast and.

• 1:19:41Andrew Manganelli?

  iPod.

• 1:19:42Speaker 03

  iPod.

• 1:19:42Andrew Manganelli?

  A Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPod and broadcast.

• 1:19:48Speaker 04

  Home, wait, uh, this, the Siri smart speaker? So it'd be like HomePodcast, HomePodProCast, HomePodcastPro?

• 1:19:57Andrew Manganelli?

  You just gotta give me a final answer on that. I can't clarify it.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  It's definitely one of those.

• 1:20:01Speaker 03

  It's HomePod.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  Apple HomePodcast.

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  We wrote that too. Very nice. Make a good job.

• 1:20:09Andrew Manganelli?

  All right.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  I still, I blanked out. I don't know what we just answered.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  Portmanteau, yeah. Portmanteau. Like a port wine.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  I don't know what a portmanteau is, so that's when you smashed two words.

• 1:20:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I put that in because I know Ellis has used that word in trivia before.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:20:25Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. Ready, Marquesan David?

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Toe is black from hiking so much.

• 1:20:31Andrew Manganelli?

  You should get that checked out.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  I could show you.

• 1:20:33Andrew Manganelli?

  How is that not a soundboard?

• 1:20:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:20:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Ready?

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Microsoft's cloud service and the documentary that got Americans interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Okay, the documentary, the F1 documentary is called Drive to Survive.

• 1:20:52David Imel?

  And then it's Azure.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Azure Drive? What is it? Is it Azure Drive? Can you say the first one again?

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Microsoft's cloud service.

• 1:21:00David Imel?

  Cloud.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Microsoft Azure.

• 1:21:02David Imel?

  I got it. Oh, OneDrive. Nice. Drive to Survive.

• 1:21:05Speaker 04

  Drive to Survive.

• 1:21:05David Imel?

  I gotta stop writing this down.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Microsoft OneDrive to Survive.

• 1:21:08David Imel?

  Microsoft OneDrive to Survive. I sold us out. Yes, Microsoft OneDrive to Survive.

• 1:21:13David Imel?

  Damn it! Yeah, sick.

• 1:21:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Sid, maybe you don't need 60 seconds, but we'll keep going.

• 1:21:16Speaker 04

  No, no, no, we need 60 seconds.

• 1:21:18Andrew Manganelli?

  One of the worst Microsoft operating systems and a website known for selling custom business cards and other marketing materials.

• 1:21:26David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  It's, uh, it's... One of the Vista...

• 1:21:32David Imel?

  Print?

• 1:21:32Speaker 04

  Windows Vista Print.

• 1:21:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Correct. Sorry, I have a button.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  We have used Vista Print in the past.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40David Imel?

  It's actually gonna fire.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  I regret to inform you.

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  Wait, did you say it was bad?

• 1:21:43David Imel?

  Vista Print?

• 1:21:43Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I said Microsoft, no, it's one of the worst Microsoft.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Gotcha, gotcha.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  Vista Print's kinda dope.

• 1:21:47David Imel?

  Alright, in my head, I was like, Windows 8?

• 1:21:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I was like, XP. That's why I said one of, I didn't want to...

• 1:21:53David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm being... Okay, these seem easy, I hope they get harder. I was worried these would either all be way too easy or way too hard.

• 1:22:00David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, Marques and David, ready?

• 1:22:02David Imel?

  Mm-hmm. Marcavid.

• 1:22:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Marcavid.

• 1:22:04David Imel?

  Team name?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Team.

• 1:22:05Andrew Manganelli?

  The third best-selling non-bundled Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD Phone of the Year.

• 1:22:12David Imel?

  Oh, shit. Oh, I know it, I know it, I know it! Start that countdown so I can... Mario Kart. Kill this! Mario Kart was probably the first best-selling non-bundled.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  Oh, Wii, you said Wii game?

• 1:22:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Wii game.

• 1:22:25David Imel?

  Come on, baby!

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Wait, stop, stop, okay, so...

• 1:22:27David Imel?

  Was it Wii Sports Resort?

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Wii Sports was bundled.

• 1:22:30David Imel?

  That was bundled. What about Super Smash Bros.? Super Smash Bros. Brawl? So what was your, what was your phone of the, which phone of the year?

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  That's what I'm trying to think back to, 2020. I think it was this Galaxy S20 FE. I think. If I go back for it, was it S22 or S20? Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S20 FE.

• 1:22:50David Imel?

  Third best selling.

• 1:22:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Forty seconds.

• 1:22:54Speaker 04

  Left?

• 1:22:55Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, I have forty seconds.

• 1:22:56David Imel?

  Uh, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, um.

• 1:22:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 1:23:00David Imel?

  Third best selling Wii game that was not bundled.

• 1:23:03Andrew Manganelli?

  S20? What was S?

• 1:23:05David Imel?

  Oh, Wii Sports Resort or?

• 1:23:08Speaker 04

  Give it to me.

• 1:23:09David Imel?

  Wii Music?

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  Give it to me.

• 1:23:11Andrew Manganelli?

  I have no idea. I don't know the third best selling non bundled Wii game.

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  It's Super Mario Galaxy S20 Ultra, baby! So close! What?

• 1:23:21Andrew Manganelli?

  He said it out loud. No, there's just no points.

• 1:23:24David Imel?

  Super Mario Galaxy S20 FE.

• 1:23:26Speaker 04

  You said time's up!

• 1:23:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I know, but you said.

• 1:23:29David Imel?

  You got it wrong.

• 1:23:29Andrew Manganelli?

  S20 Ultra.

• 1:23:31Speaker 04

  As opposed to?

• 1:23:32David Imel?

  FE.

• 1:23:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I said S20 FE. And Marques said it out loud. Yeah.

• 1:23:36Speaker 04

  I didn't think an FE would ever would.

• 1:23:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The S20 Ultra was a very bad phone. That might have been the bust.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  I am so, do you, I just had to sit there and listen to them not remember, they said the word galaxy and Wii game.

• 1:23:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, what was the Wii game?

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  You can't give me, you can't give me the points for that?

• 1:23:50David Imel?

  Incredible and I'm glad it sold well.

• 1:23:52Andrew Manganelli?

  And I'll also say like, that's a good way of, of taking this is like, you guys had one that you were sure of. So how do you then link that into something else? I wasn't sure of it. I was like, I couldn't remember the phone.

• 1:24:03David Imel?

  I should have thought about Galaxy.

• 1:24:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I was really surprised you didn't when Marques said Galaxy S20 FE.

• 1:24:08David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Andrew Manganelli?

  And then I'm surprised, the reason I picked 2020 is because Ultra's won so many times. Did you know that Super Mario Galaxy was a game?

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15David Imel?

  It's an amazing game.

• 1:24:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I knew David knew it. I thought this was a perfect David Marques question. There were definitely people in the comment section like.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  Me, me, is this how it feels when you guys beg me for points? Cause I'm, I'm pretty hot right now.

• 1:24:27David Imel?

  Yeah, this is why people are always like, David takes this too seriously.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  That was sixty seconds of excruciating pain.

• 1:24:35Andrew Manganelli?

  What's gonna be?

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  That is possibly the best Wii game.

• 1:24:40David Imel?

  It is so good.

• 1:24:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm a little worried this next one's gonna be hard, but it feels, to me, that felt like an, a Marques David question. This feels like an Adam Ellis question.

• 1:24:47Speaker 04

  Excuse you.

• 1:24:48David Imel?

  But they had sixty seconds.

• 1:24:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Team meat. Okay. The acronym BIOS and a folder you should never delete.

• 1:24:57Speaker 04

  System 32? Is that the folder? The acronym, like.

• 1:25:01Andrew Manganelli?

  BIOS.

• 1:25:03Speaker 04

  Wow, brother.

• 1:25:04Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  B I.

• 1:25:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Bro, you send us acronyms all the time.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  Okay, that is what I'll stand for.

• 1:25:10Speaker 04

  It's canon that I'm annoying.

• 1:25:14Speaker 03

  Everyone.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  B I O system thirty two.

• 1:25:16Speaker 04

  Is it like bin?

• 1:25:19Speaker 04

  B I O S.

• 1:25:22Speaker 03

  Can I ask Gemini?

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  No, B O operating system thirty two. It's the, it's something, something operating system thirty two, right? Or is it forty two?

• 1:25:32Speaker 03

  Bit integer operating system thirty two? People are yelling at us.

• 1:25:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Let me know in for final answer and I'll.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Is it thirty two or forty two?

• 1:25:38Speaker 03

  Forty two? I don't know.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  That's true. I hate Windows so much.

• 1:25:45Speaker 03

  David just said it earlier this episode, I feel like.

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:25:48Andrew Manganelli?

  David did mention.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, five seconds.

• 1:25:51Speaker 04

  Five seconds?

• 1:25:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll let you answer.

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  B I.

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  I'll let you take it.

• 1:25:57Speaker 04

  Is the first word bin? All right.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Okay, before we say it, before we say it, it's just because we can talk for this game.

• 1:26:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  They have, how long? Do you start in the timer again?

• 1:26:05Speaker 04

  This is right. If they get one syllable off, you cannot.

• 1:26:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no, no, they have to get this. It's very specific.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  I think it's clearly operating system because it's system thirty two.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  The question is, what is the B and I stand for? Isn't that when you boot up? Isn't it like the BIOS is when you first boot up? So is it something like boot up something operating system?

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  I don't.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Or is it like boot?

• 1:26:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sorry, we're gonna get flamed so hard by Windows users.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  Every tutorial I've ever watched is like collapsing in words on itself.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  I mean, we all know what the BIOS is, like when you boot into the BIOS. But like, when have we ever had to know what BIOS stands for? I don't.

• 1:26:35Speaker 04

  Boot.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  What we wrote was binary integer operating system. Yeah, I don't think that's right. So I have to think a little more. Binary boot.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  I swear to God, if you give it.

• 1:26:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Twenty seconds? Oh, it's, it's very, it's, it's literally could be.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you think? Bin is short for?

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Binary?

• 1:26:55David Imel?

  Bin.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  Bin? But I don't know if it's Bin though. B I O S.

• 1:27:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, five seconds.

• 1:27:01David Imel?

  Binary integer operating system 32.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:27:05Speaker 03

  Thank god.

• 1:27:06David Imel?

  Yeah, we're gonna get flamed.

• 1:27:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Basic input-output system 32.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  Ahhh. Basic input-output system. That's what BIOS stands for.

• 1:27:14David Imel?

  Huh, well.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Damn. I don't think I knew that.

• 1:27:15David Imel?

  I don't think I knew that.

• 1:27:17Speaker 03

  I don't think I knew that either.

• 1:27:17David Imel?

  Which makes me feel stupid. They don't teach you that in computer science, I'll tell you that.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  I didn't take computer science.

• 1:27:22David Imel?

  At least not in my hippie school.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  I've just broken a lot of phones.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  I've booted into plenty of BIOSs. I've never seen basic input-output.

• 1:27:28David Imel?

  I did a lot of vector calculus and never taught me that.

• 1:27:32Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you guys should be winning because you stole one.

• 1:27:34David Imel?

  No, we didn't.

• 1:27:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Or you didn't. Okay, then you're tied.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  We're tied.

• 1:27:37Andrew Manganelli?

  We're tied.

• 1:27:37David Imel?

  It's 2-2?

• 1:27:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, I'm going to kind of give a hint here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up, but I still want to use it.

• 1:27:44David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:27:45Andrew Manganelli?

  The linked word, one of them uses the plural, one of them uses the singular, all except either way you say it.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:53Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think that's too much of a hint. Alright, ready?

• 1:27:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:56Andrew Manganelli?

  This is Markes and David.

• 1:27:57David Imel?

  Uh huh.

• 1:27:58Andrew Manganelli?

  One of Google's many killed services and the quote "internet's phone book."

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  The internet's phone book is wicked... Wait, no.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I thought the same thing.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  Phone book? Internet's phone book. H T T P.

• 1:28:10Speaker 03

  I got it.

• 1:28:11David Imel?

  Oh, DNS. DNS.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  But this is like something with a plural or a singular.

• 1:28:18David Imel?

  What is the first part of that, Andrew?

• 1:28:20Andrew Manganelli?

  One of Google's many killed services.

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  What does DNS stand for?

• 1:28:23David Imel?

  Domain name system.

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  Domain name system?

• 1:28:25David Imel?

  So what is the killed service?

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Google domains got killed. So Google domain name system. That would be it. Google domains got killed and domain domains.

• 1:28:31David Imel?

  Google domain name system.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:28:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Final answer?

• 1:28:34David Imel?

  Google domains name system.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Yes!

• 1:28:38David Imel?

  Damn it!

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Fire!

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  That was a good one! Why can't we get that one? We got system 32!

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  That was good! Okay. There's just so many Google services to choose from.

• 1:28:49David Imel?

  They did kill it and now I have to [bleep] pay sorry.

• 1:28:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  You Squarespace. Did you know that the week that we changed mkbhd.com, we were on Google domain, we were on Squarespace for forever. And I was finally like, you know what? Let's change Google domains once and for all. And then we switched and they were like, oh, this still exists. And they killed it. Yeah, they sold it. Yeah.

• 1:29:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:29:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam and Ellis. I mean, Team Me, sorry.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:29:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  Team Me, finally.

• 1:29:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Google's magnetic technology and a social media app with a spooky logo.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  What is Pixel Snapchat? God. Yeah, I was literally so good. So easy.

• 1:29:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't believe Ellis got Pixel Snap that quick.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  I mean. Yeah, I had that too. Spooky logo. Need a timer.

• 1:29:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, this one, I think these next two are potentially a little harder.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:29:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. An all in one productivity app and an app that destroys productivity.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  Okay, so these are actual app names. Yeah. So an all in productivity app is like, all in one. Yeah, but it's probably multiple. An app that destroys productivity, which would be. Social media. TikTok. TikTok. Tic Tic. Oh, an all in one. Oh. Productivity app being Tic Tic and. Tic Tic Talk. Destroying productivity being TikTok. I like that. Tic Tic Talk. Tic Tic Talk. Tic Tic Talk. Yeah, let's go Tic Tic Talk. Ayy. Nice. That was good.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  It was a fun game.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  We got there. Yeah. I like this game.

• 1:30:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  Tic Tic is not an all in one productivity app, by the way.

• 1:30:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It's literally how it.

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  It's a couple in one.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  It's a couple in one.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I took it.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  All.

• 1:30:25Speaker 03

  I'm sure that's how they market themselves.

• 1:30:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It's literally, you Google it, it says Tic Tic, your all in one productivity app. It is straight from there.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Got a calendar in there. Define all.

• 1:30:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Team Me.

• 1:30:36Speaker 01

  Team Me.

• 1:30:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The subject.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Said Marcaivit again.

• 1:30:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry, I will try and remember. Okay.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Ship name.

• 1:30:42Andrew Manganelli?

  The subject of the most organically viewed mkbhd video.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  Organically.

• 1:30:49Andrew Manganelli?

  And a product that appears twice on Marquez's desk.

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  The most organically.

• 1:30:57David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:30:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that?

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  It reached twice on my desk?

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  Two speakers.

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  No, wait, what's the most organically viewed? I was just looking at this yesterday for a, a deck.

• 1:31:07David Imel?

  No?

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  I have no idea.

• 1:31:09David Imel?

  Okay. But is that kind of a video?

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  Pro.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Oh. The way he phrased it, yes.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  Cause you're, you, by organically, you mean.

• 1:31:15Andrew Manganelli?

  There's, there's a retro tech that's number one, yeah. And when, and there's another one.

• 1:31:19Speaker 04

  It's not exactly.

• 1:31:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Actually, no, this is higher than that. It's at thirty seconds, by the way.

• 1:31:23Speaker 04

  It's.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Phrase the first part.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  To have.

• 1:31:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll phrase it again for you if it comes to.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  It has to be pro.

• 1:31:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you want me to phrase the question again?

• 1:31:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, please. The subject of the most organically viewed MKBHD video and a product that appears on Marquez's desk twice. You have fifteen seconds.

• 1:31:37Speaker 04

  Is it Apple Vision Pro Display XDR?

• 1:31:41David Imel?

  Oh my god. That was nice, Alice.

• 1:31:44Speaker 01

  We got there. I just want you to know, I was almost tricked by that one.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  That's.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  That was hard.

• 1:31:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:31:50David Imel?

  Okay, good, good, good.

• 1:31:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I have.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think this is tiebreaker.

• 1:31:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Two more for each of you and then a tiebreaker.

• 1:31:54David Imel?

  Okay, let's go, baby.

• 1:31:55Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. Mark David.

• 1:31:57David Imel?

  Yep.

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:31:59Andrew Manganelli?

  An app to hire a same day handyman and a barely reviewable AI assistant device.

• 1:32:04David Imel?

  Task Rabbit. Oh, it's Task Rabbit. It's just Task Rabbit.

• 1:32:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Rabbit.

• 1:32:08David Imel?

  Rabbit R1. Task Rabbit R1. Yes.

• 1:32:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm trying.

• 1:32:14Speaker 04

  It's rigged.

• 1:32:15David Imel?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  What are you talking about?

• 1:32:17Speaker 04

  No, that was good.

• 1:32:17David Imel?

  I went to Handy. Handy's an app.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, I went to Handy.

• 1:32:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm a little worried this next question more favors Marquez and.

• 1:32:23David Imel?

  Like the last one?

• 1:32:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Marquez and Dave. Hasn't stopped us yet.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  But now it's their turn, so it's.

• 1:32:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just making sure I keep score. Okay.

• 1:32:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:32:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Ready?

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  Ready.

• 1:32:31Andrew Manganelli?

  The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  A vibrant smartphone user interface? So Samsung One UI? And the third version?

• 1:32:45Speaker 04

  Console? I don't know a single.

• 1:32:46Andrew Manganelli?

  The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  Okay, Steam Deck?

• 1:32:54Speaker 04

  It's, is he talking about?

• 1:32:55Speaker 03

  Game Boy?

• 1:32:56Speaker 04

  DS?

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  DS?

• 1:32:58Speaker 04

  But the 3DS is the fourth iteration of that console.

• 1:33:00Speaker 03

  So maybe it can't be that.

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  The third is the DSI? Is there any like Android?

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  DS iOS?

• 1:33:09Andrew Manganelli?

  You guys can't look at me for like hints on that?

• 1:33:11David Imel?

  Yes, that's it for sure.

• 1:33:12Andrew Manganelli?

  The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.

• 1:33:19Speaker 04

  Is there one that like starts with switch? Like is there an interface?

• 1:33:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Fifteen second slide.

• 1:33:24David Imel?

  We about to dub.

• 1:33:25Speaker 03

  I kinda wanna go with DS iOS, but I'm, I feel like that's wrong. I don't know, cuz thriving is what's killing me. A thriving.

• 1:33:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know any. Vibrant smartphone UI.

• 1:33:36Speaker 04

  Vibrant?

• 1:33:37David Imel?

  What the f*** does that mean?

• 1:33:38Speaker 04

  How much time they got left?

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  There's one UI, there's a harmony UI.

• 1:33:42David Imel?

  The answer is Game Boy Color OS.

• 1:33:45Speaker 04

  What is Color OS?

• 1:33:47David Imel?

  It's the Oppo operating system.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Oppo skin.

• 1:33:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  I was just watching a video about Color OS this morning. I'm so mad I didn't get that.

• 1:33:54David Imel?

  That's so good.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:33:57David Imel?

  Combo breaker.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  That's huge for the program.

• 1:33:59David Imel?

  Game Boy Color was the third version?

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01David Imel?

  Cuz it was so.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket.

• 1:34:04David Imel?

  No, Pocket was not the second one.

• 1:34:05Andrew Manganelli?

  No, no, it was. No, no, you're right. Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket. If you wanted to try and be a little specific, there was a Japan-only Game Boy Lite that came out the same year as the Game Boy Color.

• 1:34:15David Imel?

  I was not trying to be that specific.

• 1:34:16Andrew Manganelli?

  But yes, the Game Boy Color is the third iteration of the Game Boy.

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  Okay, fine.

• 1:34:20David Imel?

  Well, yeah, baby. Let's go.

• 1:34:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:34:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my f***.

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  I can't even buy an Oppo.

• 1:34:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I thought both of those were, it was pretty easy to get Color.

• 1:34:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:31Andrew Manganelli?

  And then you get to, we, we talk about Color OS pretty often on the podcast. It's, it at times has been part of real me and one plus.

• 1:34:41David Imel?

  Yeah, Oxygen.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  TouchWiz, Oxygen, Color OS.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  When you said vibrant, I was thinking like one of the super popular ones.

• 1:34:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought vibrant was a, a pretty good way to just mention, it's another way of saying color, pretty much. Um, okay.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  I thought, whatever.

• 1:34:56Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, Mark Haven. Okay, don't worry, Ellis. This one fills up your alley and it's for them, so we'll see. Okay.

• 1:35:04Andrew Manganelli?

  The official name for the worst product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  Humane AI pin?

• 1:35:14David Imel?

  Prepaid is is a is US wireless and.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  No any prepaid.

• 1:35:21David Imel?

  Wait, say the second, say the whole thing again.

• 1:35:22Andrew Manganelli?

  The official name for the worst product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

• 1:35:30David Imel?

  Um.

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  An American.

• 1:35:32David Imel?

  Was the worst product the Humane AI pin or was that the Fisker?

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Fisker was the worst car. The Humane AI pin was the worst product, dot, dot, dot, for now.

• 1:35:40David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  But I feel like it's still.

• 1:35:41David Imel?

  So prepaid is sing, there's a singular that's Boost Mobile.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:35:47David Imel?

  There's, um.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  So do any of them start with?

• 1:35:50David Imel?

  Mint?

• 1:35:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, hold on. I will, okay. I'm gonna redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try.

• 1:35:56David Imel?

  Thirty?

• 1:35:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Realized I messed up a part of the question.

• 1:36:00David Imel?

  But they shouldn't give us sixty?

• 1:36:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll give you forty five because you've gotten to talk about half of it. Okay, ready?

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:36:07Andrew Manganelli?

  The official name for the dumbest product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  What is dumbest? Dyson headphones. The Dyson?

• 1:36:16David Imel?

  I don't remember.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Uh, oh, wait.

• 1:36:18David Imel?

  What was the name of the Dyson headphones?

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  The.

• 1:36:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll give you the full sixty seconds since it was that different and both of you seem to change.

• 1:36:24David Imel?

  What was the name of the Dyson headphones?

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think now. Okay, so this is the Dyson.

• 1:36:28David Imel?

  Think of the wireless providers, I guess. There's singular.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Oh, something boost. It was definitely something boost.

• 1:36:34David Imel?

  Was it something boost?

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  Dyson.

• 1:36:35David Imel?

  DynaBoost or something?

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Why is DynaAttack in my head? That's not it.

• 1:36:39David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  Dyson headphones had a name and Dyson headphones were called.

• 1:36:44David Imel?

  Was it Boost something?

• 1:36:45Speaker 01

  V.

• 1:36:46David Imel?

  Vtech?

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Their vacuums.

• 1:36:48David Imel?

  V-Boost?

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know that. Wait, okay. Prepaid services are.

• 1:36:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Twenty seconds left.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Boost Mobile and what else?

• 1:36:54David Imel?

  Mint.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  Mint.

• 1:36:55David Imel?

  US Singular and US Mobile.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  It's not US.

• 1:36:58David Imel?

  So it's probably Boost.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so Dyson.

• 1:37:03David Imel?

  Dyson.

• 1:37:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Ten seconds.

• 1:37:05David Imel?

  Boost, air boost.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Dyson something boost mobile.

• 1:37:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Need an answer?

• 1:37:10David Imel?

  I'm just gonna, we're just gonna say Dyson Boost Mobile.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, starting your timer.

• 1:37:18David Imel?

  Dude, air boost, super.

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  Dyson.

• 1:37:21David Imel?

  Superbook.

• 1:37:22Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny because, I don't know if that's a hint or not.

• 1:37:26David Imel?

  Don't say anything.

• 1:37:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm so proud of this one coming together.

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  This one's good.

• 1:37:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it was not easy to put together, but at the same time.

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  Headphones, what were they called? This isn't the one with the face mask. This is the second one you said.

• 1:37:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm not answering that question, but.

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  It is the one with the face.

• 1:37:40Andrew Manganelli?

  It's funny.

• 1:37:40Speaker 03

  It is the one with the face.

• 1:37:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so if you got the linked word, you would almost automatically know the other one.

• 1:37:44Speaker 04

  It's not Metro Boost Visible Mint.

• 1:37:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:37:49Speaker 04

  There's another cheap one. I don't know. The, it's definitely not Boost, because we would have.

• 1:37:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm really hoping there's a, a big sigh after hearing these.

• 1:38:00Speaker 04

  Blade.

• 1:38:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Fifteen seconds.

• 1:38:02Speaker 03

  What is this one?

• 1:38:02Speaker 04

  Mint.

• 1:38:03Speaker 03

  Mint, Visible Boost, the Dyson Invisible? Dyson In?

• 1:38:10Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:38:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Five seconds.

• 1:38:11Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm stumped. You got me.

• 1:38:13Speaker 03

  I'm going Dyson Invisible. Damn it.

• 1:38:17Andrew Manganelli?

  It is the Dyson On Track Phone Wireless.

• 1:38:21David Imel?

  A track phone.

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  On Track.

• 1:38:23Andrew Manganelli?

  On Track is the name of the Dyson product.

• 1:38:25Speaker 03

  Like.

• 1:38:26Andrew Manganelli?

  O-N-T-R-A-C, and Track Phone is T-R-A-C-F-O-N.

• 1:38:31Speaker 03

  That's a good one. I've never heard of that wireless service, though. I did know about Track Phone.

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  Wireless provider?

• 1:38:36Andrew Manganelli?

  No, Track Phone is the wireless provider. On Track is the.

• 1:38:40Speaker 03

  I forgot that it was called the On Track.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  It's called the On Track?

• 1:38:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm. The Dyson On Track.

• 1:38:44Speaker 03

  Why is it called the On Track?

• 1:38:45Speaker 04

  We are getting, uh.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  Toast.

• 1:38:47Speaker 04

  I think we should look at Andrew's FanDuel account, just to make sure.

• 1:38:53David Imel?

  Huh, sports page.

• 1:38:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, this is for Adam and Ellis.

• 1:38:57Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:38:58Andrew Manganelli?

  And this is, this is a Mark has and David.

• 1:39:00David Imel?

  Of course.

• 1:39:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's fun.

• 1:39:02David Imel?

  They're gonna get it right. That's what they're gonna get it right.

• 1:39:05Andrew Manganelli?

  A 2013 self-healing smartphone and a 2018 smartphone that sounds like it needs healing.

• 1:39:13Speaker 03

  Okay, the LG G Flex was the first one in 2013.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  You're talking about the Flex Pi.

• 1:39:19Speaker 03

  The LG G Royal Flex Pi?

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  The LG Flex Pie?

• 1:39:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna ask for the final answer, but remember how this has to work.

• 1:39:29Speaker 04

  How does it have to work?

• 1:39:31Andrew Manganelli?

  How the phrase has to work.

• 1:39:33Speaker 04

  So they have, it has to be like-

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  A linked word.

• 1:39:35Andrew Manganelli?

  A linked word.

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  You said it's the-

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  LG-

• 1:39:39Speaker 04

  G Flex? Was that what it was called?

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  G Flex Pie?

• 1:39:43Speaker 04

  And then the Royal Flex Pie?

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Royal Flex Pie. I think it was the LG Flex, straight up, from 2013. I don't think it was G Flex.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  Or was it G Flex? Ah, damn, I can't remember. I'm gonna let you-

• 1:39:55Andrew Manganelli?

  20 seconds-

• 1:39:56Speaker 03

  I could see the video with Marques with a razor just-

• 1:39:59Speaker 04

  Say something, I wasn't alive in 2013.

• 1:40:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam, you should give an answer in 10 seconds.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  The LG-

• 1:40:06Speaker 04

  LG Royal Flex Pie.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:09Andrew Manganelli?

  The LG Royal-

• 1:40:10Speaker 04

  No, not that. You say something. I don't understand the rules.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  But you just, the LG- Flex Pie. So close.

• 1:40:19Speaker 04

  Damn it.

• 1:40:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam said it like three times and Ellis-

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you did say it. It's the LG G Flex Pie.

• 1:40:25Speaker 03

  Damn it!

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:40:27Andrew Manganelli?

  You just didn't have to say Royal, is what I was trying to say, like-

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  And you had to say G.

• 1:40:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you had to say G, which you didn't do.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  Cause it was the G Flex.

• 1:40:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It was the G Flex, which-

• 1:40:36Speaker 01

  LG G Flex.

• 1:40:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Which Adam had, and then you said the G Flex Royale Flex Pie.

• 1:40:41Speaker 04

  Super Mario Samsung Galaxy FE20?

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  You said Ultra. You said Ultra.

• 1:40:45Andrew Manganelli?

  You said Ultra.

• 1:40:46Speaker 04

  But Samsung is in between Super Mario and Galaxy.

• 1:40:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't say it's just the Galaxy S20 FE. So you just-

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Roll back the tape.

• 1:40:55Andrew Manganelli?

  The la- it didn't work for you the last time we rolled back the tape, Alice.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  You give us the points?

• 1:40:59Andrew Manganelli?

  Yep.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a steal point. Yeah.

• 1:41:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a steal point. Okay.

• 1:41:03Speaker 03

  That's it, we lost.

• 1:41:04Andrew Manganelli?

  There's two more questions, and I'm doing the tiebreaker either way, but-

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 1:41:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:41:09Speaker 04

  Damn it!

• 1:41:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Mark Haven?

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yes.

• 1:41:12Andrew Manganelli?

  The 2016 version of a bezel-less smartphone and a Twitch competitor that didn't last very long?

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  Oh, I got this.

• 1:41:18Speaker 04

  What was the Twitch competitor? It was-

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Wait, no, I can do the phone.

• 1:41:21Speaker 04

  Okay, I'll do the Twitch competitor.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  2016 upstairs.

• 1:41:25Speaker 04

  It was the Microsoft.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  Oh, the first one? No, no, no, it's the one with the fat chin.

• 1:41:28Speaker 04

  It's the Microsoft.

• 1:41:30Speaker 01

  Okay, it's either the-

• 1:41:33Speaker 04

  Microsoft.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  The Sharp Aquos? What was the second thing?

• 1:41:38Speaker 04

  It was the-

• 1:41:38Andrew Manganelli?

  A Twitch competitor that didn't last very long.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  It was the one after, which was the Xiaomi Mi Mix, Mixer.

• 1:41:44Speaker 04

  Mixer.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Xiaomi Mi Mixer.

• 1:41:48Speaker 04

  Xiaomi Mi Mixer.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:41:51David Imel?

  I didn't know either of those.

• 1:41:52Speaker 04

  What the?

• 1:41:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I know phones. That's the one thing I know.

• 1:41:57Speaker 03

  That was crazy. Okay.

• 1:41:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. I think you guys have this one, but this one's insane.

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 1:42:05Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm pretty proud of this one.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  Let's hear it.

• 1:42:07Andrew Manganelli?

  And I hope I, I hope I did it right. Okay.

• 1:42:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, these are good.

• 1:42:10David Imel?

  These are good, Andrew.

• 1:42:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Ready?

• 1:42:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:11Andrew Manganelli?

  The last version of a poorly named wireless headphone before the design change and a location-based social network that helps discover new places.

• 1:42:22Speaker 04

  Before the design change?

• 1:42:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:24Speaker 04

  It's, oh, you're gonna make me say the whole headphone name?

• 1:42:27Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a poorly named wireless headphone.

• 1:42:29Speaker 04

  It's four square and it's the Samsung, it's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember.

• 1:42:33Andrew Manganelli?

  It's not the Sony one?

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  This is lit, yeah, no, it's, sorry, Sony one.

• 1:42:36Speaker 03

  Sony WH1000XM3s?

• 1:42:39Speaker 04

  No, it's the four and then four square is the connecting one.

• 1:42:42Speaker 03

  Sony WF1000XM4square.

• 1:42:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that your final answer?

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  Sony WF1000XMWH?

• 1:42:51Speaker 04

  I do, I don't know. What? I don't know. I don't know. There are better.

• 1:42:56David Imel?

  This is crazy.

• 1:42:57Andrew Manganelli?

  You've got 25 seconds.

• 1:42:59Speaker 03

  Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let me think.

• 1:43:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, everyone give Adam the floor.

• 1:43:01Speaker 03

  It's four square.

• 1:43:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Give Adam the floor.

• 1:43:03Speaker 04

  And WH whatever, whatever.

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  Sony WH1000XM4square.

• 1:43:10Andrew Manganelli?

  No way.

• 1:43:11Speaker 03

  God.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  Way to get there, guys. Way to get there.

• 1:43:14Speaker 03

  Five years of reviewing headphones for this moment.

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  That was almost really painful.

• 1:43:19Andrew Manganelli?

  So.

• 1:43:20David Imel?

  That was the tiebreaker?

• 1:43:22Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I have a tiebreaker, even though Mark Haven won this round.

• 1:43:26David Imel?

  We did.

• 1:43:26Speaker 04

  If they get it wrong and we steal, technically we're then tied.

• 1:43:29David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:30Andrew Manganelli?

  And then I don't have a tiebreaker for the tie.

• 1:43:32David Imel?

  Just ask ChatGPT for one.

• 1:43:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, funny story. I did ask ChatGPT to start this and it was horrible. It gave me all these things and I went, that's not how this game works. Can you make them better? And it had like a total meltdown. It said, you're right. I should be doing it more like this and then it did it and then without even me prompting it said, "Wait, that's not right either." And then did another section, then said, "This still isn't right. I need to be more..." And did like six sections of it correcting itself and still none of them were any good.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  Infinite loop somehow.

• 1:44:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Basically, it would just kept doing two totally different things and then the answer was two things next to each other.

• 1:44:11Speaker 03

  That's hilarious.

• 1:44:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It was pretty bad, but it was how I, I tried.

• 1:44:16Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 1:44:17Andrew Manganelli?

  So do you want to do the tiebreaker?

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:19Andrew Manganelli?

  This is how we're gonna do the tiebreaker for just fake points.

• 1:44:22Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:44:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna say it out loud. The first team to say it.

• 1:44:26Speaker 03

  Gets five points.

• 1:44:28Andrew Manganelli?

  No.

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  I have a proposition for another way to do it.

• 1:44:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Both teams have a whiteboard and a pen in front of them?

• 1:44:33Andrew Manganelli?

  No, because I need, um, the enunciation needs to be correct on this one.

• 1:44:38Speaker 01

  Okay, nevermind. Say it out loud.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  So the first, the first team to say it out loud gets the point.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:44:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Correctly. I need it to be perfect.

• 1:44:47Speaker 03

  Okay. So I apologize in advance to everyone listening to us. I'll talk over each other for about 60 seconds.

• 1:44:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, here's what I'll do. You guys talk to each other, but whoever says final answer first, then they'll say it after that and I will pick that person. All right, ready?

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 1:45:02Andrew Manganelli?

  This is.

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  We only get one final answer.

• 1:45:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Extremely specific, so please listen carefully.

• 1:45:07Speaker 03

  More specific than WXM.

• 1:45:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes and no.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  WH is wireless headphones.

• 1:45:15Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, ready?

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:45:16Andrew Manganelli?

  The rating that shows a device is completely dust-tight and protected from submersion up to one meters for 30 minutes and the current most popular children's meme.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  One meter for 30 minutes?

• 1:45:27Speaker 03

  What is IP 6.7? Ingress Protection, what is Ingress Protection 6.7?

• 1:45:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Final answer.

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  It's a final answer, damn it!

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  What is IP 6.7? No, but and a.

• 1:45:38Andrew Manganelli?

  The correct answer.

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  What, final answer, what is Ingress Protection 6.7?

• 1:45:45Andrew Manganelli?

  The correct answer is IP 6.7?

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  Hold on.

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  Okay. What? You're never gonna get that, right?

• 1:45:58David Imel?

  Well, the benefit to us is that.

• 1:46:00Andrew Manganelli?

  I was just. That's so perfect. I was just looking up IP ratings and then saw six, seven dice to each other. I was like, I have to do this.

• 1:46:06David Imel?

  I hope that us doing this killed that meme.

• 1:46:09Speaker 03

  I think it's been dead for a while.

• 1:46:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Always has been.

• 1:46:14David Imel?

  Another dead meme. All right.

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:46:17David Imel?

  Well, that has not been. That has not been it because we still have to do trivia.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  We have to go back to, uh, regular trivia.

• 1:46:23Andrew Manganelli?

  That was fun, right? That was fun. I had a really fun time doing that.

• 1:46:27David Imel?

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  I still think that the comments will be on our side with many of those questions.

• 1:46:31David Imel?

  I think this was rigged against us.

• 1:46:33Speaker 03

  But it's fine. It's fine.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  We'll check the comments. Okay.

• 1:46:37Andrew Manganelli?

  So mad I got G flexed.

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  Well, speaking of trivia. Pause and reorganize and we will be back for the regular trivia at the end of the episode, starting.

• 1:46:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Whoa.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  Okay, we're back. Time to do the actual trivia for this episode. Let's get into it.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Fan edition.

• 1:46:55David Imel?

  Trivia happy.

• 1:46:57Speaker 04

  All right, guys. LTPO is an Apple thing. I did not know it was an Apple thing. If I had asked that as a trivia question, would you have gotten that right?

• 1:47:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Nope.

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:47:06Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:47:07Speaker 04

  All right, because I, well, Samsung's version of LTPO is called what?

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  And it's like a silly thing?

• 1:47:15Speaker 04

  It's a very silly word.

• 1:47:20Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a word, huh?

• 1:47:21Speaker 04

  It's a word? Do you want another hint?

• 1:47:23Andrew Manganelli?

  A word?

• 1:47:24Speaker 04

  It's a word. Well, it's an acronym, but it's a word. Like, like it reads out pretty obviously as a word. And, uh...

• 1:47:38Speaker 04

  I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious, you know, like.

• 1:47:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I have no idea.

• 1:47:43Speaker 04

  There's, there's one pancake themed hint I can kind of think of. All right.

• 1:47:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think we're all wrong.

• 1:47:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:51David Imel?

  I, I wrote, yeah.

• 1:47:53Speaker 04

  Wait, sorry. I'm sorry, Marquez. What, what did you write?

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  I wrote dynamic refresh rate.

• 1:47:58Speaker 04

  Hmm, no.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wrote Bix BPO.

• 1:48:01Speaker 04

  And what does the PO stand for?

• 1:48:06Speaker 04

  No, I'm just kidding.

• 1:48:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I didn't write anything.

• 1:48:09Speaker 04

  The correct answer is HOP. It is called a HOP screen and HOP stands for Hybrid Oxide and Polycrystalline Silicon.

• 1:48:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Polycrystalline silicon is one word?

• 1:48:20Speaker 04

  Uh, no, but they just called it HOP because it's easier. I think in...

• 1:48:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I wish all abbreviations worked like that. You just take out all the letters you don't want.

• 1:48:29David Imel?

  They kind of do that in like all of the like congressional bills.

• 1:48:32Speaker 04

  HOP is also a thing too. Like you could be like...

• 1:48:34David Imel?

  HOP's like in beer?

• 1:48:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, like in beer.

• 1:48:37David Imel?

  I don't know if Samsung would do that. I mean, actually they would.

• 1:48:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:48:41David Imel?

  Koreans like... I don't think I've ever heard that before. The Koreans like beer.

• 1:48:45Speaker 03

  Alright, alright. Learn something new. So yeah, just like we said we would.

• 1:48:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I already forgot.

• 1:48:50Speaker 03

  Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10, Andrew with 10, David with 6.

• 1:48:57David Imel?

  Can we go back to Mark David, please?

• 1:48:59Speaker 03

  Mark David.

• 1:49:00David Imel?

  Can we split the difference?

• 1:49:01Speaker 03

  Next question. The Media Center Remote that Marquez made a video on.

• 1:49:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait.

• 1:49:08Speaker 03

  16 years ago.

• 1:49:09David Imel?

  His first video.

• 1:49:10Speaker 03

  And the company that I am obsessed with. Go!

• 1:49:14Speaker 04

  And, and I, and you need to get every letter perfect.

• 1:49:18David Imel?

  Marquez knows this and we don't.

• 1:49:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, this is not the question you asked before?

• 1:49:25Speaker 03

  Yep, it's the same game.

• 1:49:27David Imel?

  This is not what you asked before, though.

• 1:49:29Speaker 03

  Nope, it is not.

• 1:49:30Andrew Manganelli?

  The Media Center Remote?

• 1:49:31Speaker 03

  The Media Center Remote and the company I'm obsessed with.

• 1:49:37David Imel?

  Like, come on, man.

• 1:49:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, what is it? Huh?

• 1:49:41David Imel?

  Huh? Huh? Come on, man.

• 1:49:43Speaker 03

  What was the, what was the question before?

• 1:49:45David Imel?

  I don't remember Marquez's. I know that...

• 1:49:50David Imel?

  I wrote, "Does this count enough, HP Pavilion, Teenage Engineering?"

• 1:49:55Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  Come on, but I don't.

• 1:49:57Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  I don't know how to count. But I'm not, I'm not literally Marquette.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  We're not salty, you're salty.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  I don't know how to combine these, so I, I don't know if this is right, but I wrote HP Pavilion DV7 Teenage Engineering.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 1:50:11Andrew Manganelli?

  No, not right, though, because he wrote T and T.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  Well, I couldn't.

• 1:50:14Speaker 03

  No, no, no, wrong then, sorry.

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:17Speaker 03

  No, we got a point, look at that, okay, anyway.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  Thank God.

• 1:50:19Speaker 03

  To the real question.

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  Well, that was fake.

• 1:50:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I would have given you the point if you had.

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Well, I kinda got it.

• 1:50:25Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 1:50:25Speaker 01

  Whatever, okay.

• 1:50:26Speaker 03

  Uh, what was Teenage Engineering's first product they ever made?

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  Your mom.

• 1:50:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:50:31Speaker 03

  Got them.

• 1:50:33Speaker 01

  They were playing cards in the 1800s.

• 1:50:41Speaker 03

  It was actually a rice cooker.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Speaker 03

  Sony.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:50:49Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  I feel, I knew this at one point.

• 1:50:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it was a previous question.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  It was in Slack a while ago, probably.

• 1:50:55Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I definitely put it in Slack.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Speaker 03

  All right, flip him and read, what do you got?

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  Are we about to get "I'm Actually" again by Teenage Engineering?

• 1:51:01Andrew Manganelli?

  That would be really funny.

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're all probably wrong. I wrote a desk.

• 1:51:06Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:51:07Andrew Manganelli?

  I wrote a pencil.

• 1:51:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:51:10Andrew Manganelli?

  That'd be sick.

• 1:51:10Speaker 03

  That would be cool.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  I'm probably, I hope I'm closest, a radio receiver.

• 1:51:15Speaker 03

  Wrong, but you are closest, because one of the products they debated doing was a clock radio, but instead they actually did a lamp.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the lamp, the lamp. A lamp? Yeah.

• 1:51:25Speaker 03

  I was not closest.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  I love lamp, dude.

• 1:51:30Speaker 01

  All right, hopefully now we for sure won't forget that Teenage Engineering started with a lamp and.

• 1:51:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Next week's question.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  We're all wrong.

• 1:51:42Speaker 01

  We should just keep having this be a question until we all get it right. Anyway, well, like we said, we might not have gotten it right, but we did learn something, so that's for sure useful, right? Thanks for watching this episode, thanks for listening, and for playing along, of course, in our trivia segment, we have a lot of fun with those. See you soon in the next episode in November. Peace. Oh, it's November now.

• 1:52:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's November now.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:52:05Andrew Manganelli?

  As we're, okay.

• 1:52:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:52:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, from his previous by Adam Malina and Ellis Rovin, a partner of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our traction music is created by Vane Still.

• 1:52:12Speaker 01

  Bingo.

• 1:52:13Speaker 03

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• 1:52:21Speaker 04

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