LIVE from NeueHouse: Rich & Julie On Creative Partnerships, Enhancing Productivity & Why It’s All About Consciousness

Today’s podcast features Julie and I speaking at NeueHouse Los Angeles as part of their new series entitled Creative Couples, which examines powerful collaborative partnerships and what make them tick. A primer on how to communicate effectively, collaborate successfully, and ultimately elevate your creative output, this episode — which also features audience Q&A and a special cameo appearance by podcast favorite Guru Singh and his amazing wife Guruperkarma Kaur — is appointment listening for anyone looking to take their relationships and productivity to the next level. An exquisitely appointed work and event space occupying the landmarked 1938 CBS Radio Building on Sunset Boulevard, it was a true honor to present before NeueHouse's dynamic and eclectic community of creators, entrepreneurs, and cultural innovators. Major thanks to Meredith Rodgers, Brian Wanee, Alexandra Van Iden and everyone at NeueHouse for hosting an amazing evening. Plus mad appreciation for allowing me to share the event audio with all of you on this platform. Can I come back and do it again please? NOTE: I'm interested in creating more live podcast events (featuring various guests) in both LA and other U. S. cities. I would like to gauge interest before wading too deep into this exploration, so please let me know (via e-mail or @richroll) if you enjoyed this episode (or the live event episodes from Australia and Dublin) and/or whether you would be interested in actually attending a live event in your locale. I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:06Speaker 01

  It's okay if we have a different process. We don't have to be the same to have a very successful, co-creative relationship. And so, I believe, and we believe, that if you cultivate your own gift completely encouraged without editing, there's gonna be miraculous, amazing stuff that happens.

• 1:31Rich Roll?

  That's Julie Pyatt, and this is the Rich Roll Podcast.

• 1:46Rich Roll?

  The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey, everybody. How you guys doing? What is happening? How's it going? This is a podcast. It's called The Rich Roll Podcast. That would be me. I am your host. And you guys are in it, so welcome, spread out. Plenty of room here for everybody. So, earlier this week, Noi House in Los Angeles hosted Julie and I for

• 2:10Rich Roll?

  This live event that was the first in a branded new series they have created, they're producing, they're hosting called Creative Couples, which highlights powerful couples who choose to collaborate. And it was really fun. Noe House is this extraordinary, absolutely beautiful work and event space for creators, entrepreneurs, and cultural innovators in Los Angeles. It's right smack in the middle of Hollywood. And the location, this building was formerly a studio. It was the studio where Lucille Ball filmed the pilot for I Love Lucy. And apparently, it was host to all kinds of amazing historical

• 2:53Rich Roll?

  film and television projects over the years. Anyway, it was a great event. It was an honor to present at Noe House. They have done some amazing events in the past. They recently had Jared Leto and the artist Ai Weiwei present, and Al Gore presented there his latest documentary. So it was really cool. And I want to personally thank Meredith Rodgers and Brian Wanee and everyone at Noe House who helped make the event happen. It was super fun, sharing our creative, collaborative, professional, and personal experience with the Noe House community. And Meredith and Brian and their team were nice enough to allow me to share

• 3:35Rich Roll?

  this audio from the event with all of you guys. But before we dig into it. So this is Julie and I live at Noe House in a discussion about how, despite the fact that we are very, very different people, we are able to come together, to work together successfully, to collaborate creatively, to push each other, to continuously enhance our work product, and our ability to produce, and maintain our marriage, and ability to parent our children at the same time. This presentation features a beautiful cameo by podcast favorite Guru Singh.

• 4:20Rich Roll?

  As well as his wife, Guru Parakarma Kaur, and also has questions from the audience. I think you guys are going to really enjoy it. A final note, I am considering right now, creating a series of live podcast events similar to this, but with various other guests in LA, assuming that I can find an appropriate venue to do this, and perhaps even going across the country, visiting a variety of cities. So, this is something that you would like to see, that you think you might enjoy, that you're interested in, please let me know. I certainly don't want to put a bunch of time and energy into pursuing this if there isn't adequate demand, so shoot me an email, or hit me up on social media,

• 5:04Rich Roll?

  @Richroll, preferably on Twitter, so I can kind of gauge the interest level. Okay, enough. With all that said, I now give you Julie and me, live at Noy House.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Good evening, everyone. Thank you so much for coming. Welcome, belated Happy New Year, to the Noy House community and invited guests tonight. My name is Meredith, I'm the Director of Cultural Programming here at Noy House. It is an honor and a thrill, I'm so excited to present this event to you tonight, and welcome these two incredible humans, Rich Roll and Julie Piatt Strimati, to launch a new series here at Noy House called Creative Couples. This series initiated from Noy House's platform, being, as we are, a workspace for people in creative fields. We're constantly interested in the creative process, and the creative journey, and the creative spirit, and this idea of when two creative powerhouses,

• 6:04Speaker 02

  incredible minds and beings, come together and they collaborate, and they live together in their couple, and what that must be like, and what their process and their journey and... We couldn't be more thrilled to be launching this series with Rich and Julie, who've had an incredible journey as a couple, as individuals, as creators, as contributors to our culture. So you can read more about their bios if you're not familiar with their work, but I just really wanted to say sincerely, thank you so much for joining us. Please stay afterward, join us upstairs for a reception in which Julie's book, This Cheese

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Is Nuts, and Rich's memoir, Finding Ultra, will be available for sale, as well as a special tasting of Julie's incredible pioneering cheeses, vegan cheeses, that are truly out of this world. So these are really two creators and artists, I would say, to be thankful to be in their presence. So, thank you so much, both of you.

• 7:06Rich Roll?

  Thank you so much, Meredith. Thank you. Thank you so much for turning up tonight, you guys. We did it. We're really excited to do this tonight, it's really cool. How cool is this place? Oh my god. So incredible. Noi House is like insane. Before we get going, how many people here already have a sense of who Julie and I are and what we do? And how many of you, like, are just Noi House people, have no idea who we are? We have to ask one question. Actually, I have to ask one of those. One of those. Make up your mind. Raise your hand if you have no idea who we are. Alright, cool. Alright, so the minority, that's good. You can do a quick, brief intro, though. Yeah, for the people who have no idea.

• 7:49Rich Roll?

  So sorry, everyone else. This is my wife Julie, aka Shrimati. There's a whole story behind that. That's too long, we won't get into that tonight. Julie and I have been together since 1999. I think so, yes. Late 99, around 18 years at this point. We are co-creators and collaborators on a variety of projects. We work together on a bunch of stuff, we work separately on a number of things. We are a family with four children. Julie had two sons before we got married, and we have two daughters. I think some of them are here tonight. I see Trapper back there.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  And we have our nephew also who's lived with us for seven years. So we really have more like five kids.

• 8:35Rich Roll?

  Right. And we live out in Malibu Canyon and sort of rustic area. Our home has been very much a compound, a creative compound, and it's the location from which we have birthed a number of projects together. We've written books together, cookbooks. I've written books on my own. Julie is working on books on her own. I have a podcast called The Rich Roll Podcast. Julie has her own podcast called Divine Through Line. She's an artist, she's a sculptor, she's a vegan chef, on and on and on with the number of creative pursuits that Julie does. And we were asked to come this evening to share a little bit about our creative process, how we work together as part of this creative couples series. So

• 9:18Rich Roll?

  that's really the focus of what today's kind of discourse dialogue is going to be about. And we thought that we would share a little bit of our personal experience this evening and then open it up to questions and make it more of a participatory thing at about, I don't know, 35 or 45 minutes into it.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so I think one of the interesting things about Rich and about me is the fact that we are extreme opposites in many, many, many, many ways. I think we have one thing that really works for us, and that's that we do have this sort of very vast foundation of similar values or similar humor, similar interests. But I would say I probably maybe haven't met two individuals that are as opposite as you and I are in many, many ways.

• 10:12Rich Roll?

  Put it this way, I have no idea how she gets anything done, the way that she works. Because if I had to function the way that she does, nothing would get done. I can tell you that. And so it's been a journey trying to figure out a language, a vernacular for how to not only communicate, but also collaborate in a way where we don't want to kill each other, but actually can come together to birth something that would be more beneficial, greater than the

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think, I mean, in the beginning, I don't think we were planning on working together. That wasn't really the, the, uh, the goal. We met each other, we were attracted to each other, and we fell in love. But we both had very different ideas of how we were going to express ourselves in life. And I think the very first project that we really worked on is, because I do many things, I'm an artist, and I just use whatever medium is in front of me. I have this thing, which I think has served me very well, and that's, that I don't necessarily think you have to have technique before you try something. And so, it's mean that I've sucked at a lot of things, sort of publicly, but then I find

• 11:23Speaker 01

  my groove, and I actually really achieve. So, the thing is, is I wrote a script, actually. It was a script for a satire idea that I had about yoga in West LA, and it was called Down Dog. So you can kind of, you know, think, imagine what it was like. But I wrote the first 96 pages, and I really wanted to do this script. And I sort of threw it at Rich and said, "Will you write this with me?" And he sort of was dragging his feet, and after maybe six months, I said, "You either write it, or I'm gonna get somebody who will." And then, he wrote it, and that sort of kicked off our first creative project.

• 12:07Rich Roll?

  So, yeah, this was about 2003, I think, at the time. And Julie and I had met in a yoga class, so we had some context for this story. And I'd shared a lot of stories and experiences that were pretty humorous, and we together thought, "Well, this would make for a hilarious comedy." Julie had sort of ignited this project through some of the work that she had done on it initially, and it was my first experience of trying to collaborate with you on something, taking this project, working on it myself, throwing it back to you, going back and forth in this sort of volley. And that project ultimately, um...

• 12:42Rich Roll?

  Became a short film that we worked on together. We wrote together, that I directed, that she produced. That ended up doing quite well on the film festival circuit. In 2005, it did I don't know how many film festivals, a whole bunch of film festivals. And there was a moment in time in which we thought we were going to be these filmmakers. You know, our life has taken a different kind of turn and our focus is on other things. But that was really the first experience of working creatively together on something. And it was successful. And I think that's how we figured out initially, kind of how each other works and how to tiptoe around each other. And figure out that lexicon, like that language for communicating.

• 13:24Rich Roll?

  And just to kind of provide a little bit of background on that, you know, all you have to do is look at Julie's desk and look at my desk to understand the difference. Like hers is just a disaster. There's just papers flying everywhere. Everything is all over the place. And I have these super neat piles that I'm obsessively, compulsively organizing everything. And, you know, that's a kind of window into, you know, the framework of how my mind works versus Julie's. And so to figure out like, okay, she's all over the place. She's working on 10 things at once. I have to work on one thing at a time. And I can't shift until I've completed that task and can check that box and move on to the other thing. How are we ever going to find a way to work together in a productive manner where we're

• 14:08Rich Roll?

  not, you know, at each other's throats all the time? So how did you begin that?

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Well, I guess when you share that experience, what I want to ask is I want to ask how many women in this room are, consider themselves multitaskers, that you do 50 projects at one time? Okay. So it's, I think it's a condition of the feminine energy. And I'll say feminine energy because, you know, someone could be in a male body and then femininely expressed. But I think it's this awareness of the feminine. She is eternally creating, eternally. So for someone femininely expressed, it's just a natural way of being.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  I think one of the key things, which it took us quite a few years to sort of unlock this, we had a lot of butting heads and a lot of, you know, just a lot of frustration to understand that that is a fundamental, natural way of being for a feminine energy. And so, we don't have to make each other wrong, like Rich doesn't have to make me invalidated or all over the place. And I don't have to get frustrated.

• 15:23Rich Roll?

  I didn't mean that in a pejorative way, by the way.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I know, I'm just teasing. But, you know, or I don't have to be frustrated that he has to do one thing. I mean, what do we have the term, like mansplaining? I had to like mansplain it to him. It's like, you know, the masculine energy is...

• 15:40Rich Roll?

  I don't think that's quite the concept.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  They're giggling over there.

• 15:43Rich Roll?

  As I mansplain mansplaining to you.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  So, but, you know, masculine energy is more single focused. You know, he's in the void, he's in presence. And, and so I think it, I think it's an interesting conversation for us to have as individuals who are in relationships. You know, many of you are in relationships and interested in co-creating, or maybe your life has just brought you to that point. But I think it's interesting, it's an opportunity for us to really honor the differences in each other and understand that it's okay if we, if we have a different process. You know, we don't have to be the same to have a very successful, co-creative relationship.

• 16:29Rich Roll?

  It was a very rocky road for me to get to that place of recognizing that and letting go of my desire, or my need, or my attachment, for her to recognize that my way was better. And spending all of that time waiting for her to come to that realization and come over to my side, that's a recipe for suffering. And I suffered, you know, sort of ruminating on that for many, many years. And it was not until I could get to a place where I could let go and honor her process as equally valid, as a means towards sort of contributing to the collective, creative whole of whatever we were working on together. And I think behind that...

• 17:13Rich Roll?

  Is an understanding or a journey towards trying to identify strengths and weaknesses. I don't even like that word weaknesses, but who's better served by working on what aspect of this particular project? For example, where would Julie's feminine, you know, energy be better served?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  What was that?

• 17:33Rich Roll?

  Well, I'm mimicking you.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  What was that?

• 17:35Rich Roll?

  You're like, I'm, this is the feminine energy. It's always creating. I'm like, okay, so how do I move that over here to where it can actually benefit what we're trying to do? As opposed to the tasks where, okay, this requires like, you know, some really detailed, you know, thought to make sure that it gets, you know, done exactly in this precise way. Whereas, you know, Julie's better at the bigger ideas. Like, you know what I mean? It's sort of been a process of trying to figure that out. And I think likewise for her to understand like, that she needs to have that same, you know, that same journey towards recognizing that in me and not needing me to look at it the way that.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you know, that's really very true. I also had a lot of suffering trying to interact with, with the way Rich is expressing. And mostly for me was that I felt like I wasn't being seen for who I am. Because when you're always being told you're too much, that's too much. Stop that. That's too much. You know, how do I make a list out of you? And, you know, a lot of, a lot of women are shaking heads because I know, I know you're with me. I know you got it. So, yeah, so it kind of feels, it kind of feels like that. It's interesting because I came across the work of a, of an individual named David Data.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  And he actually was at my house for an event that he did along with Team Master Wuda. And, you know, he came in and he's, you know, he's kind of awkward looking guy and he's not married that I knew and he doesn't have children. And he walked in, I was thinking like, what are you going to tell me about relationship? Or what, you know, what are you going to share with me?

• 19:14Rich Roll?

  Because he's a relationship expert.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:16Rich Roll?

  An author who's written many books on this subject.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so he presented this, and I'm going to share it with you guys right now because I think it's literally life-changing. And it's literally what I just told you. The feminine energy is eternally creating. She is eternally creating forever, never stopping. The masculine presence is in the moment. He's in the, the stillness.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  Every time the feminine energy comes into the masculine's field, no matter how much he loves and adores her, or the feminine energy, he will slightly cringe because she has disturbed his peace.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  And when he delivered this wisdom, I was just like, "Ah." So, this was a key for us, and actually a pretty recent key, that helped us to transform even to another level of this co-creation, and creating things together. And it really gives us understanding. And I think, as women, or feminine energies, a lot of times, we feel not seen. But if you, or, I think I even used those words when I was speaking to Rich once. I said, "You know, when I walk in the room, you cringe." And he said, "I do not." I'm like, "You do too." Because the thing is, is that as feminine energies,

• 20:44Speaker 01

  we're firing on many different sensory levels, all at once. So it's not what we're seeing in the face, or what's said, it's all the energy that we're feeling with. And this was a huge key for us to just understand that. And for me to understand, he needs his void. He needs his silence, he needs his peace. And I shouldn't want him to be like me, either. Right? So, it goes both ways.

• 21:15Rich Roll?

  I feel like you just described the plot of Phantom Thread.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Yes, let's talk about that movie. How many people have seen Phantom Thread? Yeah, beautiful. Go see it.

• 21:24Rich Roll?

  It's a very similar archetype that is set up in that. But I think what that wisdom, that lesson, has allowed you and I to do together is to depersonalize these recurring, sort of, issues that would arise. For example, in the past, for you to come in and meet, to have that disruption, or to play out whatever dynamic we've always played out, every week, or every month,

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Morning.

• 21:50Rich Roll?

  For every, you know, over the years. To then recognize like, oh, that's what this is. It's not about Julie the personality, or even Shrimati the personality, or myself. This is a deeply ingrained, you know, sort of genetically hardwired thing. And to recognize that, to have the presence of mind to be, you know, in the moment enough to have that awareness allows you to step back and go, okay, I understand what this is, let's move forward now. And I think that has been a crucial component in our ability to successfully collaborate.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I also think a really important key of our success in collaborating is that we collaborate on projects, but we do the contribution completely separately. So it's not like we're taking the trash out together. Like, you hold that side of the can and I'll hold this side. We sort of have the big project, we identify what we're interested in, and then we both deeply go into that as individuals, as complete individuals. And then, you know, we may meet together to, you know, sort of bring that together, but I think we work very independently.

• 23:06Rich Roll?

  Can you imagine what would happen if we had to sit at a desk next to each other all day long?

• 23:11Speaker 01

  It would not be good. We would not be sitting here if that had happened.

• 23:13Rich Roll?

  Not be good. So I think fundamentally, behind that is an important point that we've been dancing around but haven't quite discussed directly, which is, I think, a key aspect of our relationship, which is that I'm not looking for you to complete me in any way, and you're not looking to me to complete you, in that kind of Jerry Maguire sense. Like, we are, we come together and we are able to do this dance, and create, and love each other, and have this family, but I am on my own spiritual journey, and Julie is on her own spiritual journey.

• 23:55Rich Roll?

  We come into the world alone, we leave the world alone, and we have to find that sense of wholeness, and purpose, and fulfillment, and direction, and connection.

• 24:07Rich Roll?

  On our own, that is a solo path that cannot be, um, cannot be, it's not served by looking to another person to resolve for yourself.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this brings me to our sort of secret weapon of fighting, which, you know, we, we communicate very freely. That's the one thing that I'm extremely grateful in this relationship with Rich. There's such a level of commitment, and we call it freedom in commitment, because the commitment is so solid, that we're free to completely express ourselves. And that can get very intense sometimes. So, we're very, we're very clear about, you know, how we feel, or what's going on. But what I have to say is, the reason I think we've been able to have such a close relationship for so many years, and keep transforming

• 25:04Speaker 01

  together, and keep, you know, just keep, keep, keep the love alive, really, is that all the answers exist within your own heart, within your own self. So, whenever we get to a point where we're stuck, we both somehow have had the tools to just immediately go, "Okay, I'm going in. And I'm owning this part of it." And all, you know, it's a, it's a taking responsibility for your part in the relationship. And that ability that I've experienced with Rich has been invaluable. And I, I think it's a really, really key thing, and something that if you apply in your own relationship, you will experience

• 25:46Speaker 01

  immense transformation and intimacy by being able to do that.

• 25:51Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I agree. I don't, I don't even know what else to, to say to that. I think that, that to do the opposite of that is to seek suffering and invite suffering into your life, which will then spill over into whatever, whatever it is you're trying to express or create in your life, whether it's on your own, or in collaboration with your partner.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  And I will also say, though, that, um...

• 26:20Speaker 01

  There is such a vast opportunity in relationship for transformation and for for expansion. And I think it goes back to the freedom in commitment. I feel so free in this relationship. You can see neither one of us wear wedding bands. Like, we don't know where they are right now. But, but we're so committed, the commitment is so strong, but the freedom is vast. And that works really, really, really well and provides a really safe, huge playground,

• 27:01Speaker 01

  you know, huge world to explore and discover yourself. And I do think that in these uncertain times, these intense moments that we are experiencing and the world, what is happening in the world and how things are being expressed, there is immense value in relationships and in the divinity of relationships. To be able to stay within the partnership and really go deep provides a lot of, I think, gifts, grace, blessings, and, you know, nourishment that is going to serve us very well in the

• 27:44Speaker 01

  coming weeks, months, years.

• 27:55Rich Roll?

  What do you think are the biggest pitfalls that derail creative partnerships?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  I think competition would probably be the first one that I would point out. And again, this comes from...

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Trying to fulfill yourself in another person, or not being identified enough in your own expression, not knowing who you are, not having spent the time to really know who you are and really value yourself. So, the most important relationship in your life is between you and consciousness. There is nothing else that's more important than that. And we've been sort of told in our life that that's a selfish way to be. And a lot of times, when I'm on my podcast, or I receive letters, or I meet people, and you could get a very immature person

• 28:56Speaker 01

  who will say, "I just want to help people." And what I always say is that the greatest help you could do is to know yourself. Because when you're not mature, how can you really help somebody? And so, I often use the analogy that it really becomes sort of like Derek Zoolander, where he's like, "I want to make a school for kids who can't read good." And it sounds good, it's a good idea. It's a good idea. But really, what we need you to do is to know yourself. Because every single being in this room and on this planet is a divine expression of consciousness, the Force, God, whatever you want to call it.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  And each one of you was created in this unique divinity. And so, I believe, and we believe, that if you cultivate your own gift completely encouraged without editing, there's going to be miraculous, amazing stuff that happens. I mean, just look in nature. So, a frog isn't lamenting that it's not a butterfly, or pissed off at the bee. So, really cultivate your individuality and love yourself, cultivate that. And then, when you enter into a partnership, it can be a dance. But one thing that I learned, and some of you know this about me,

• 30:24Speaker 01

  that I've been married three times. So, I'm kind of a relationship expert.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  I'm also a really good wedding planner, if you need any tips. But what I found out, I was talking to, actually I was talking to Guru Singh last week, and we were having this conversation about divine marriage and divine relationship. And I shared with him that I learned after many men, that... How many? My love, we shouldn't go into that in this part. I'm getting nervous. But what I realized is that the love that I feel is my love. No one can take your love from you. The love that you feel in a relationship is your love, which is reflected off another person.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  So if you break up with someone, your love is not gone, it's your love. And if you chose a journey like mine, and you've been married so many times, you would have experienced this. And so it's a great freedom to understand that, that nobody can take your love from you, it's coming from within you. So once again, serve your own heart, find out who you are, cultivate that. That is, that is the secret.

• 31:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and I would just add that if you're here, you're part of the NeueHouse community, this beautiful incubator of creative manifestation, what an amazing place this is to realize your dreams. The true greatest conduit to maximizing that expression is that heart connection, is that relationship that you develop and tend to with consciousness and with yourself. Because if you are divorced from self, if you do not know yourself, then it is impossible

• 32:22Rich Roll?

  for your creative vision to be materialized or manifested in the way that is best designed by God, by consciousness, by the ultimate force that runs within all of us. In order to express yourself at the highest level, into your heart's desire, you have got to do everything in your power to prioritize that heart connection, that...

• 32:53Rich Roll?

  That commitment to aligning yourself with the frequency of consciousness that will allow the birth of that creative expression on the highest level. And that's something you can only do yourself. If you are relying on your partner to guide you into that, or you're divesting responsibility of that into another person, then that is another recipe for suffering and something that will hamstring your ability to create at the level at which you're capable of.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, beautifully put.

• 33:31Rich Roll?

  How many people here are in creative partnerships? So that's quite a few, yes, you guys are. You guys should be up here giving this lecture. And I'm interested in what the challenges are that you guys have. What are the issues that recur in the cycle of trying to collaborate and create with your partner? Does anybody want to volunteer? Any of those ideas?

• 34:05Rich Roll?

  Yes. Yes, a brave soul.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  I'm not in a creative partnership, but I do have a question for you two relating to creative partnerships.

• 34:13Rich Roll?

  I guess we can do that.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Okay. So you both have your own creative projects or aspects of a co-created project, and you know, they come with deadlines and stressors. So even though you're both so opposite in the way you think and work, how do you help relieve that stress from your partner?

• 34:32Speaker 01

  We don't.

• 34:35Rich Roll?

  Maybe repeat the question.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  So she asked that, okay, just to repeat the question. She asked, she said, even though we work very oppositely, and we have these deadlines, and we have multiple creative projects, how do we ease the pressure for our partner in the face of deadlines? Is that a good sort of, okay? Yeah, I mean, how do we help each other out? How do you help me out?

• 34:59Rich Roll?

  I don't know, do I?

• 35:01Speaker 01

  I don't know. This is what's so good about podcasts.

• 35:04Rich Roll?

  I mean, we can only speak to how we do it, but I would say there's a division of labor. So, we are able to identify like, okay, here's this thing, this date is happening, the clock is ticking, we gotta get all this stuff done, I'll work on this, you work on that, and we go to our separate corners. And we've been doing this long enough to know whose strengths are served by which tasks, I think is fair to say. And there's almost like a, um, an unspoken shorthand with that now. We just kind of intuitively know, like, okay, these are the things that Julie excels at, I'm gonna give her those, and she's gonna give me my things. But what we don't do, and we kind of alluded to this earlier, is sit together and work it out together. I mean, I think we had to go through a number of years of figuring out, of doing that, in

• 35:48Rich Roll?

  order to figure out where our time is best served. And I think that's an individual thing. It really comes down to communication. Are you able to communicate honestly, uh, in a way that is going to allow you to identify which aspects of a particular creative project you should be focusing on versus the other person? And can that communication be delivered and received in a way where it doesn't become emotionally heightened and a commentary on the state of your relationship, or your marriage, or your partnership? In other words, trying to be neutral emotionally about it so that you can be, so that, uh, what am I trying to say?

• 36:32Rich Roll?

  So that the project's, um, end goal is always sort of taken, um, in the proper context.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  And so what I would say, my, my take on that would be that it's simply do what you love. That's how, that's how it works out. It's like, if you're in alignment and you're doing what you love, then you're naturally doing the things that you were created to express. So, there's really not a meeting of tasks that happen. Um, maybe Rich, you know, his mind, he's thinking of it more like that. But, and maybe it's just we've been together many, many years, but it's like, it's very natural, it's very spontaneous. It's like, you know, I am the chef, he doesn't cook, he's never in the kitchen. And, you know, sometimes people wanna, they're like, "Well, you know, we wanna film you cooking together." And we always stop from doing that.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Because you don't wanna just do something because someone wants to see you doing it. We try to keep it very, very authentic. So he might come in the kitchen and kiss me and tease me, and I might feed him a spoon of something, but we've been very clear from the very beginning that I am the chef, it's my, they're my recipes. And then he really excels like on the science and the, and the medicine and the nutrition. Like, I eat things for the vibration, and for the taste, and for the blessing, and for the devotion to Mother Earth. And, you know, Rich eats things for performance, and for the nutrition, and for, you know, the science and, and all of that. So, those are, that's

• 38:06Speaker 01

  a little window on how our natural expressions dance beautifully together. And so, when you have both of those things, it becomes very powerful. Whereas, each one of us alone wouldn't be as powerful, because we wouldn't have the holistic expression of life, which is "as above, so below." We are human beings having a spiritual experience. No, we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

• 38:39Rich Roll?

  I think it's also important to point out that, that the work that Julie and I do together, that we collaborate on, is not a function of some grand design that we whiteboarded one day and said, "We're gonna do this stuff together." Like- It's weird that we are doing these things together. When I listened to the introduction, I'm like, "Oh, we're these co-collab...?" I was like, "Wow, I never even really thought of it that way," because that was never really the goal. It was more like what Julie said. We were both on these adventures to deeply connect in our own ways with consciousness. And those adventures and journeys have brought us together to ignite these sparks from time

• 39:21Rich Roll?

  to time that manifest in these creative projects. And it's really just been an organic, natural outgrowth of our relationship, of trying to grow more intimate and closer to each other in a way that could perhaps also serve other people through kind of demonstrating what we've done to get to this place. But it was never our goal to like, do what we're doing today. Like, did you think you were gonna be a vegan chef?

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Never.

• 39:51Rich Roll?

  I mean, it's like, when I think back to early years, like, that would've been the weirdest idea ever, if I said, "Julie, one day you're gonna be doing this thing." And I think there's really beauty in that, because the mystery and the surprise is baked into what happens when you detach and just invest in that journey to connect with consciousness and know yourself as deeply as possible. And that non-attachment to what that looks like allows for these miraculous expressions to surface.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think it's really important to note, for those of you that don't know us, is we went through a tremendous, long period that we call "A Dark Night of the Soul" together in relationship, meaning we went through complete financial collapse over a seven-year period, with a year ramp down and a year ramp up. So please don't misunderstand that we have this perfect, you know, experience of life and that, you know, it's been easy. It was far from easy. But I will tell you that throughout that entire experience... We continually chose to serve our heart. Against all appearances to the contrary.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Many people thought we were completely insane. They never, ever could see the trajectory from where we were to where we are today. So, once again, it brings me back to all the answers are inside your heart. And if you can connect to that individually and then enter into a relationship, keeping that focus of that internal devotion. Looking back in the rearview mirror, you can see what a perfect mandala Divine Mother created of your life. Now, we've been together over 18 years. Now, it all seems on purpose. But at the time, it didn't.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  So, and you know, there were many, many, many moments where we were just on our knees and we were like, we're completely, you know, completely misjudged every single thing. But if you stick with your heart, life will paint a beautiful mandala for each one of you.

• 42:20Rich Roll?

  Lovely. Maybe we should open it up to questions from you guys? How about you there? The beautiful smile.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  Thank you, guys. I'm here to be here. I'm here to listen to you, your wisdom.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Without getting into the details or any personal more than you want to open up, what's the value that drives your language around money and assets?

• 42:56Rich Roll?

  The question is, what's the language that you use around money? Yeah?

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, or what value drives it?

• 43:04Rich Roll?

  What value drives it?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Like, for me personally, the way I've been seeing myself is, again, treating it with that holistic approach, where it's my financial world. And, but it's an area that is still, there's not a lot of clarity there. But it's too early to really start having that conversation.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  I think I might understand what you're asking. Let me try, okay? So I think you're asking, how do we relate to money, basically, in summary? Let's see. What I would offer is that it is not the focus of life to make money. Like I said before, every answer to your self-realization is inside your heart. I find that it's often the thing that you loved to do as a child when you were six, seven. There's huge keys at that time period.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  I firmly believe and have experienced in my own life that when you serve your heart, that you will be provided for in various ways. The catch is, you cannot make a deal with the universe. You cannot chant affirmations like the little train, like, "I think I can, I think I can." No. You have to serve your heart, and you have to serve it without any guarantee of what is coming, you see? And when you enter into that place, you're in this beautiful vibration of beautiful

• 44:58Speaker 01

  energy, and this energy will bring you enough sustenance to fulfill yourself. Every life form has enough energy to fulfill itself. Look in nature. Look at a flower. Look at animals. The key is that it might not look how you want it to look. So in our situation, that meant living with four kids with no health insurance, getting cars repossessed. I didn't have a bank account for four years.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  How does that happen? I mean, I had 740 credit before all of this. So, the thing is, is, you know, I once went into a meeting with a bankruptcy lawyer, and I just went in and I said, "Listen, I have no shame or attachment to what is going on in this, you know, this thing called bankruptcy." I said, "Just give me what you think the scenario is, A, B, C." And his jaw just dropped open, and he said, "Nobody is having that experience that's coming in to see me." And I said, "That's because we've all forgotten that we're not our credit scores."

• 46:25Speaker 01

  You're not your credit score, for goodness sake. And when you leave the body, it's not gonna matter how much money you have in the bank. And does Jesus have a 401K, just in case? Or, you know, Buddha have a savings account? This is the level that we're being invited to step into. And I don't mean to suggest irresponsibility, but I mean to suggest, it's your life. This is your life. What are you gonna do? Give up your natural inclination to express yourself authentically because you're afraid? Because you want a savings account?

• 47:10Speaker 01

  You have to step into your mastery and serve your unique expression. And I know that that seems scary or extreme, but if you ask me, I think it's extreme to not live your life.

• 47:27Rich Roll?

  There's nothing wrong with money. There's nothing wrong with a savings account. There's nothing wrong with being rich, or being poor, or having a 401K, or being an investment banker. It's all about our relationship to this neutral thing.

• 47:45Rich Roll?

  Are you structuring your life around trying to accumulate this neutral thing? Or are you pursuing what's in your heart, in which case, the money is a byproduct of that journey and that pursuit? And, you know, my experience has been, somebody, as somebody who spent, you know, the most of my life pursuing that traditional American dream of, you know, get into the best college and study hard and get the best job and get the secure career track and show up early and ride that elevator up and down and lease the right car and make sure you're stocking

• 48:26Rich Roll?

  away whatever you can into that 401K and make partner and all of that. And I can tell you, and this is just my own personal experience, that was a recipe for a tremendous amount of suffering on my part because that journey was not being driven by my heart song. It was being dictated by social and familial pressures to live up to a certain expectation. And what got shortchanged in that equation, in that discussion, in that experience, is any regard whatsoever for what made me happy, or what I came here to express personally, or what my personal song is or could be.

• 49:11Rich Roll?

  And I had to take that all the way to the wall until I was a completely broken human being in order for me to consider the possibility of looking at the world a little bit differently. And that consideration and that decision to adjust how I was living, to look inside myself and try to better connect with consciousness, with my personal song, and find a way to express that, has not been a linear or easy journey for myself. And like Julie said, we've had to weather a tremendous amount of pressure and financial difficulty, but at every juncture, our needs were always, always met.

• 49:55Rich Roll?

  Money didn't show up the way I would like it to, or in my mind, I imagined it should or it could, but there was no moment where we were not taken care of. And it always reminds me of this... Cartoon, you guys know Popeye, Popeye the Sailor Man, there's this old cartoon. Do you remember Sweet Pea, the little baby in the cartoon? There's one cartoon, I will never forget, it's probably was made in like the 30s, but Sweet Pea like escapes and the little baby's like crawling around and crawls her way onto a construction site and climbs onto like an I-beam that then gets lifted up by a crane and swung around and the little baby's just crawling on the I-beam and right when the baby gets to the end and it looks like she's gonna crawl right off and fall

• 50:40Rich Roll?

  down, you know, 20 stories to the ground, another I-beam swings around and perfectly meets her at the juncture where she can then, you know, climb onto the next I-beam and on and on and on. And it's a beautiful analogy for how the universe works when you are, when your heart is aligned with your greater purpose. Your needs will be met. They will not, it will not show up in the way that you imagine or would like, but you will be taken care of. And that is my experience and that's the experience that I've witnessed in so many other people's lives. When you make space for that miracle, when you really are in alignment with that purpose.

• 51:21Rich Roll?

  Cool.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  How many people here have been in a marriage over 10 years? Veterans. How many people over 15 years? How many people over 20?

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Really? How many people over 30? How many people over 40?

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's Gudur Singh and Gudur Prakamakar. And so I'd just like to ask, these beautiful beings are such an amazing force in our life and helping so many people and providing the most amazing support. And if you want to know their teachings and experience their support, you can find them at gudursing.com. But I would love it if you guys would share something that might be of service to the rest of us who are a little bit further down the path or be before you.

• 52:29Guru Singh?

  One of the things that I find in

• 52:34Guru Singh?

  in this many years

• 52:40Guru Singh?

  is the discovery of how curious I can be about how you function.

• 52:50Guru Singh?

  And as long as I remain curious, I'm enchanted by the resolution, by the way in which, and I'm sitting here and listening to the two of you and I'm going, "Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's exactly it."

• 53:07Guru Singh?

  I think we're both a little bit more like you, Julie. I think we're, if you looked at our desks, when I see somebody with a desk like ours, I'm so thrilled.

• 53:25Guru Singh?

  But I deeply respect, I deeply respect that because I strive for it. In relationship, remaining curious about who you are keeps me enchanted. And because we all wake up, you know, every single day, it's brand new. And as long as I can remember that you're not the person that I was upset with yesterday. There was this one moment, we had this, you know, one or two week period of time when we were at odds. And, you know, many decades ago.

• 54:05Guru Singh?

  And Guru Pukkarma walked up to me in the morning and she just grabbed my shoulders and she said, "Guru Singh, I just realized, we both want the same thing." And it was such a revelation that that could be

• 54:26Guru Singh?

  so distorted by our observations. We just sat there and laughed and we couldn't even remember why we had been doing what we were doing for the last two weeks.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  I am not the speaker in the family.

• 54:47Speaker 06

  But it really is lovely to be here. And I would say that any type of collaboration is work. It's worth the work to go through whatever is presented because you keep getting through the different layers. And then there's peace. And it's worth every effort to do that work, even when it's really uncomfortable. And one of the phrases I really like is when people are communicating, especially people

• 55:31Speaker 06

  who are close with you, the purpose, one of the great purposes of communication is to connect, not correct. So that's helped me a lot.

• 55:50Speaker 06

  And also, humor is the best ever.

• 55:56Speaker 06

  Just being able to bring humor and lightness into something that feels a little heavy.

• 56:03Speaker 06

  And something also that I'm still growing into, experience with everyone actually that I meet, is to see the other person as you. And when that grows and deepens, the connection, it doesn't matter about the upsetting things. And so those are the things that have been really helpful in growing together.

• 56:38Speaker 06

  And I can say after 42 years...

• 56:45Speaker 06

  We really love each other.

• 56:47Guru Singh?

  Really?

• 56:48Speaker 06

  And it really grows. And so, again, it's worth every effort that might come your way.

• 56:58Guru Singh?

  The honeymoon is still on.

• 57:02Speaker 06

  So, anyway, love you.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Thank you both so much.

• 57:06Rich Roll?

  It's beautiful. One thing, I love that idea of connect, not correct, right? It reminds me of the adage, "Do you want to be right? Or do you want to be happy?" Right? Sometimes I really want to be right, though.

• 57:26Speaker 07

  The sooner I learned happy wife, happy life.

• 57:29Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 07

  The happier I was, that's for sure. One of the things you guys shared that stuck out to me was you both independently shared the value of knowing yourself. And I'm curious if you guys can each independently kind of elaborate on what are the things that were most profound in your life that you got to discover yourself and know yourself? You guys shared clearly a bankruptcy and going through all that. That'll get you to know yourself pretty quickly. But I'm curious, intentionally, what are some of the stuff that you did that really profoundly affected you?

• 58:05Speaker 01

  I have to just give a little... Yes, absolutely. So, the bankruptcy ended up never happening because I stayed with my devotion and I was doing ritual and ceremony and divine energy just kept intervening and the whole thing just went away and I ended up resolving everything. So, that was really amazing. But I have to say, discovering yoga is the most foundational thing that shifted my experience of life and reminded me of things that I knew before I came into this body.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  My practice that I entered into was a vinyasa flow, was a yoga flow. And I've recently just released my first yoga video, actually, this week, which I'm...

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Extremely happy about, and I'm not just happy about it because I made a product that I get to offer and sell and do something that I love. I really, really fundamentally know at my core that this practice will gift somebody a level of connection to life that is absolutely undefinable. So I would, again, point everybody into a yoga practice. And you can say meditation. The problem is, is we have so much external stuff coming at us that without entering into yoga, whether it's vinyasa or something physical to like

• 59:34Speaker 01

  get you to a point, or doing something like Guru Singh and Guru Prakamakar offer, they're in Kundalini, master here, extremely transformational breath work. I just can't, I can't express, I can't emphasize it enough. And it's beyond religion, ideology. Get yourself on the mat. Get in there and, and start to explore it.

• 1:00:05Rich Roll?

  Thank you for your question. I think Julie and I have had very different paths in our sort of devotional experiences. One of the things that's always befuddled and confused me is that she actually volunteers for all of this self-betterment on her own accord. I don't know how that works because in my own personal experience, I have to be in a tremendous amount of pain in order to change any of my behaviors or my habits. And so my journey has been about reaching various pain points until I'm forced to confront myself in a newer and deeper way. And for me, that began with getting sober. You know, in 1998, I went to rehab. I hit my bottom with drugs and alcohol. I spent 100 days

• 1:00:48Rich Roll?

  in a facility in Oregon. And that was my first introduction to a set of tools that I still rely on to this day that have been fundamental, not only in keeping me sober, but in creating or forging this spiritual trajectory. ...based on this premise that we are all spiritual beings having a human experience. And I've tried to build upon that, but each, it hasn't been a very linear experience for me. Again, it's sort of, I do things a certain way until it stops working and I still keep doing it until the, you know, the wheels just fall off the, the car and I'm forced to then go deeper. And Julie's always like, "How come you're doing that? Why don't you do this?" And I'm like, "Well, because I'm not, I'm not in enough pain yet, that's why."

• 1:01:33Rich Roll?

  And so I've handled these things differently and so I've probably been on a much more rudimentary course than Julie has, but I would agree with her wholeheartedly. And I met her in a yoga class. Yoga was the birth of our relationship and I think there's something beautiful about that. So I would agree with what you said.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Then he stopped going to yoga after he met me.

• 1:01:51Rich Roll?

  I do it in my mind.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  That was not as beautiful.

• 1:01:54Rich Roll?

  I didn't stop right away.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Pretty much, no. No, and the thing, yeah, but I'm actually, um...

• 1:02:02Rich Roll?

  I achieved my goal.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  I guess. Yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward to these later years because I think Rich is, is starting to embrace the idea that everything doesn't have to be so hard all the time. And I look forward to practicing yoga with you into our later years, side by side.

• 1:02:28Rich Roll?

  Cool. Awesome.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  What do you guys think? Do you think that was like a "yeah"? Or was it like a...

• 1:02:35Rich Roll?

  I'm down.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  It wasn't very strong.

• 1:02:38Rich Roll?

  No.

• 1:02:39Speaker 07

  So, if pain is one of your main drivers of change, your threshold must be like through the roof of these ultrasounds and all this stuff you do.

• 1:02:49Rich Roll?

  I, I, I don't, I would imagine it probably is, but all I know is my own pain threshold. So I just presume everybody has the same pain threshold, but maybe mine is a little bit larger. I don't know.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Extreme.

• 1:03:01Rich Roll?

  Yeah. I think we have time for one, we have five more minutes left before I think we have to shut it down, but yeah.

• 1:03:05Speaker 08

  I'll just be quick, I'll try to articulate the question, but it actually has to do with you being the athlete you are. I'm an athlete as well and it's, to go back to the biggest, one of the biggest conflicts in a relationship can be competition. So, this question's for you, Rich. Like I said, me being an athlete, I know this and I find a lot of times when I have competed at the highest level, when you are competing, you're very much in your own body. And when it comes to a relationship, in any relationship, kind of taking that competitiveness outside of yourself, um, kind of separating.

• 1:03:50Speaker 08

  I have, I don't know if, um, I'm trying to see if-

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  How do you, how do you achieve the separation?

• 1:03:55Speaker 08

  How do you, yeah, how do you-

• 1:03:56Rich Roll?

  Or how do you, how do you, what is your relationship with your competitive nature in the context of having a healthy relationship?

• 1:04:02Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:04:03Rich Roll?

  Sort of, right?

• 1:04:04Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:04:05Rich Roll?

  Well, I think it's, in order to answer that, you have to look at the motivation behind your competitive nature. Is that being driven by a desire to beat someone else? Or is it being generated by a desire to be the best version of you in that scenario? Right? For me, I've always been driven by trying to be the best version of myself. It was never about like, I want to beat these guys or be faster than them. That motivation was never externalized in the form of another human being. It was always an internal thing. Like, did I do the best that I could do? So whether I'm doing an ultra endurance race or a swimming race, I always, you, the yardstick

• 1:04:48Rich Roll?

  that I use is always against my own past performances or my sense of my own capabilities or potential. And so for me, that's a natural sidestep into how to approach a relationship. Because I can use that framework of, am I being the best version of myself in the context of how I'm interacting with my wife or my children? Now, where it gets tricky for me is, I'm innately by default, an incredibly selfish human being. I'm thinking about me and what I need and what I want. And when you're an athlete, you kind of have to have a capacity for that. That's how you develop. That's how you achieve your potential. Now, of course, any-

• 1:05:32Rich Roll?

  Successful athlete does not achieve that success on their own. It's always a team effort. But there is something about that personal responsibility and that kind of selfish, internal drive to excel that can get in the way of trying to be the best you in the context of a relationship where other people are involved. So, my journey, which has been highly imperfect, is about trying to overcome that selfish, innate, default nature to understand, like, "Oh, there's other people around me that need my attention." And again, that's difficult for me. You know, it's painful and embarrassing to admit that that is not my natural state,

• 1:06:15Rich Roll?

  that I actually have to work in order to develop that awareness. And perhaps, you know, you framing it in that way is interesting, because I've never really thought of it in that way. But I think there is something about that athletic nature that creates an additional hurdle. But developing an awareness of that, I think, is the first step to moving forward. What is your experience?

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just a note from the partner's side of this would be, you know, like I said, I mean, Rich and I have this very true commitment that's at a very deep level. And I was very sure and very clear that I wanted to be with him. And I'm extremely independent. So, you know, I'm not waiting for him to get home at five so he can have dinner with me. Like, you know, I don't need him on a day-to-day, but I need to know that he's with me completely. And so, because I have that commitment from him, when we get together, it's meaningful.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  It's memorable and meaningful. But it's not about frequency, so it's not about every day. It's about creating, you know, an event, or it's almost like, yeah, really making it count, okay? So, I want quality. I don't want quantity. I don't need him sitting next to me, like, all day. No.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  So, so a lot of times, you know, he can be in his-

• 1:07:44Rich Roll?

  How terrible.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  He can be in his own thing. We could get into the tent situation. My husband sleeps in a tent. That's actually true.

• 1:07:53Rich Roll?

  We need another hour to unpack that.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Actually, to end, this is actually really funny. Just to end, this is our secret to our marriage. And we are deeply in love with each other and very committed. I love you so much, honey. And it's been incredible journey that I've had with you. And I know we have so many more years ahead of us. And Rich sleeps in a tent.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Because we're so extreme. He runs hot like a fire, like, all day. And I'm the opposite. And I'm also extremely sensitive. Like, intensity in the morning, no, no, no, no. You know, like, I'm meditating, I'm doing my yoga, all of this. And so, we just sort of figured out, he sleeps great in a tent.

• 1:08:44Rich Roll?

  So awesome.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  And, yeah, I mean, we giggle. Like, we're down in the kitchen, it's like, "Goodnight, honey. Enjoy the tent." He said to me, two nights ago, he's like, "It's really, really cold." And he goes, "Honey, I may have to come back to the bedroom." And I just act like I didn't hear him.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  I didn't even reply. I just walked upstairs with my tea-

• 1:09:07Rich Roll?

  I slept great last night.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Shut the door, I'm thinking, "He's not getting back in here, no way." So, and yet, you know, that seems very extreme, but we have this amazing relationship. So, what I say is, like, loosen up with this idea of, like, what a marriage has to be. And just, you know, find your individuality. Create your own way, and make it work for you. But I'm a hopeless romantic, I always will be. I truly believe in love. And I believe that the future of this planet and its upliftment is going to be expressed through divine union in couples of all varying types. But there is this really great treasure in relationship and in-

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Creative collaborations in couples. So, thank you guys so much for coming out to be with us and have this conversation. And thank you to Noe House for inviting us. And to Meredith and Brian, thank you so much.

• 1:10:11Rich Roll?

  Thank you so much for coming. How beautiful, my lovely wife. To end it, I will say what she is fond of saying often, which is, "We all need you to be more of who you really are." And with that spirit, I send you guys back out into the world. Thank you for coming. Thanks, you guys.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  So, just a little note, if anybody is allergic to nuts, don't eat any of what you're gonna see. But I'm super excited to share my cheeses with you. I'm in the process of commercializing my cheese. I wrote a book this last year, actually, called "This Cheese Is Nut." There's over 75 recipes of amazing, plant-based cheeses. There's even a nut-free section in the book. So, we'll have that. But I'm serving for you tonight, fresh cashew mozzarella on tomato with basil. And then, we have smoked almond cheddar spread. And we have a cashew brie, cashew camembert, and a cashew blue.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  The blue in the cheese is achieved with spirulina. So, the cheeses are fermented, they are probiotic, they are amazing for your body. I hope you enjoy them, and I hope I get to talk to you after the end. Thanks.

• 1:11:38Rich Roll?

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• 1:12:20Rich Roll?

  And finally, follow me on social media. I'm at Rich Roll on Twitter and Instagram. Hey, do you guys need help with your diet and/or nutrition? Well, check out our meal planner with thousands of custom tailored, plant-based recipes, grocery lists, and even grocery delivery, right at your fingertips. It's everything you need to eat the way you deserve for just $1.90 a week when you sign up for a year. To learn more and to sign up, visit meals.richroll.com or simply click Meal Planner on the top menu at richroll.com. I want to thank everybody who helped put on the show today. Jason Camiolo for audio engineering, for editing the show, for production, for interstitial music, for work on the WordPress site, Sean Patterson for help on graphics,

• 1:13:04Rich Roll?

  Michael Gibson for his videography, although he didn't video today, and theme music, as always, by Analemma. Thanks for the love, you guys. I'll be back here in a couple of days with an amazing conversation with race car driver Danica Patrick. I think you guys are going to enjoy that. And until then, make it great, be well, give freely of yourself, and love deeply. Peace, plants. Namaste.