KHC 111 - Special Colonoscopy Episode

Join us for a discussion with Cam and Gideon (James G. Williams) on some of the stories from the images in Cam’s book, Backcountry Bowhunting, Cam’s first colonoscopy, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Follow James: https://www.instagram.com/james_g_williams/ Thank you to our sponsors: Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off and Free Shipping Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order GoHunt: https://gohunt.com/ use code CAM when you sign up for $50 towards the gear shop + 10% off the GoHunt store Timestamps: 00:00:00 Intro 00:04:03 Stories Behind the Images: Backcountry Bowhunting 00:06:43 Image 2: Cam & the LLama 00:09:01 Image 3: Learn to Control Your Fear 00:10:48 Image 4: Topo Mapology 00:14:52 Image 5: A Great Packer 00:17:58 Image 6: Alaska Dall Sheep 00:19:47 Forward by: Dwight R Schuh 00:21:40 “Control Your Fear, or Your Fear Will Control You.” 00:26:32 Ad Break 00:28:00 We’re Just Corndogs for Bears 00:31:16 Backcountry Danger Rating 00:32:29 Having Passion for Things in Life 00:35:24 A Formula for Success 00:40:53 “Wapiti” 00:43:10 Casey Brooks 00:44:44 Outro

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:14Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective Colonoscopy Edition.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 0:24Speaker 01

  That's news to me.

• 0:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, it's, everyone's getting one today. No, kind of a fun little, fun little thing, getting a camera shoved up my ass tomorrow, so.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, it's been a while since my dad's.

• 0:40Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it's not for any reason, it's just for fun, but some people do it for medical purposes.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  I just want to take a look.

• 0:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, not a gynecologist, but let me take a look.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, Colonoscopy Edition, welcome.

• 0:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that means I'm fasting, which sucks.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  That's fun. I do that every day. That's why I look the way I do.

• 1:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so you look like a refugee?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Someone yesterday told me that I look like a runner and I was like, a sprinter? And they, and they said,

• 1:24Speaker 01

  they said, no, one of the Kenyans.

• 1:27Cameron Hanes?

  Well, yeah, except you're not, you're not good at running.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  So I got all the good looks without the benefits.

• 1:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's cool.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, what do you got there?

• 1:38Cameron Hanes?

  This is a replica.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  It's pretty sweet.

• 1:40Cameron Hanes?

  I know, isn't that neat?

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42Cameron Hanes?

  So my Colorado Bull, Ovis Wildlife, Doug Barnes. I don't know, they, this is kind of a new thing, but yeah, little, perfect, perfect replica of my bull.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Looks good.

• 1:55Cameron Hanes?

  I know, looks badass.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57Cameron Hanes?

  So people said. Somebody commented, why didn't you just keep the real antlers? Like I fucking threw them away or something.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  You run out of so much space, you're going to mini.

• 2:09Cameron Hanes?

  I'm going just to all replicas. Yeah. No, I still got the, still got the real antlers. This is just for fun. So don't, don't be alarmed.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  I mean, people call you a trophy hunter. So we can't have both.

• 2:21Cameron Hanes?

  No, no. Now I got, now I got, so it's meat, trophy and trinkets. So I'm even worse.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, I got a fun little intro. Obviously you're familiar with Nate Illingsworth.

• 2:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Okay. So if you're not familiar with him, he's a, I don't even know what you'd call him comedian.

• 2:45Cameron Hanes?

  He's a professional hunter, isn't he?

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Professional hunter.

• 2:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  He posted two days ago, I think. And he was like, oh, this is how I'm becoming a hybrid athlete. And somebody commented on there, no doubt I'm watching the next keep hammering collective hybrid athlete. Right after Gideon.

• 3:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  So I had to go under the comments and call him out a little bit. So Nate and I's idea is to do a hybrid challenge.

• 3:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. We were talking, we, we were only allowed to wear three inch shorts with crop tops.

• 3:20Cameron Hanes?

  That's what he wears, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, he kinda, you know, he's getting, he's doing a good job. He's losing some weight. He's down to about, you ever see Will Ferrell doing the cowbell, more cowbell? On Saturday Night Live. So I mean, he's getting close to there, which is pretty cool.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  He looked good in the post that, that he was doing. Yeah.

• 3:43Cameron Hanes?

  He's, he's looking great.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:45Cameron Hanes?

  I'm glad, I'm glad. I don't know how many, how much weight he's lost, but.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  I'm not sure either, but I just, I know.

• 3:51Cameron Hanes?

  Looks a lot better.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  I know I'm going to take him down. So everyone should stay tuned for that, the hybrid challenge. Nate, where am I?

• 3:58Cameron Hanes?

  Camera 12.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  12. Okay.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  I'm coming for you.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  The next section, we have a special intro. Larry, roll it.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Ladies and gentlemen.

• 4:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, wait, I didn't hear it.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Ladies and gentlemen.

• 4:14Cameron Hanes?

  I don't hear it.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  You hit the ear?

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Ladies.

• 4:17Cameron Hanes?

  Ah.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  And gentlemen.

• 4:19Cameron Hanes?

  There we go.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Welcome to the first episode of the Keep Hammering Book Club with Gideon.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 4:28Cameron Hanes?

  That was good.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  That was good.

• 4:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  That was like, um.

• 4:32Cameron Hanes?

  That was like late night Skinamax.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  I was thinking Morgan Freeman.

• 4:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Morgan Freeman.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Okay, so yeah, we have book club and today.

• 4:43Cameron Hanes?

  What books at?

• 4:45Speaker 01

  This is backcountry bow hunting, a guide to the wild side. Written by Cameron R. Haynes.

• 4:51Cameron Hanes?

  So I've heard of it.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  I have too.

• 4:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  So my background with it is when I was 12, I think. I had a shitty little compound bow that I would hunt gophers with. It's like 20 pound bow, no sights, no release. And, uh. Anyways, I got this book when I was like 12 and.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  I made the connection when we first met, but other than that, I didn't, I didn't know. So anyways, that's my background. We'll get to the photo.

• 5:19Cameron Hanes?

  That was my book.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  I didn't know, like when we met in Hawaii, I was like, I knew who you were, but then I was like, this is the guy. The picture that I've remembered my whole childhood.

• 5:29Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  We'll get to the picture.

• 5:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 5:30Speaker 01

  But anyways, so have you seen Hot Ones?

• 5:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Okay, so they do this like little segment where they go through the guest's Instagram, find photos, and the guest has to give background.

• 5:42Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, okay.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  So then we're gonna do that.

• 5:43Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Okay, so the first photo and for the non-viewers, just the listeners, I will describe the photos.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Okay, this is photo number one. This one.

• 5:57Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  So this photo is Cam sitting next to a huge pile of sheds with the moon behind him as he's looking at his laptop.

• 6:05Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:07Cameron Hanes?

  That's a classic. So Northwest Territories Caribou Hunt back at camp.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:13Cameron Hanes?

  I took my laptop everywhere because I had to edit or write or do whatever. It's working for Eastman's. I think there's like 2006, maybe.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:22Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, that's it.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Huh. What were you, do you remember what you were working on?

• 6:26Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:27Cameron Hanes?

  It was just on the tundra up there in the Arctic and uh, yeah, just out there pounding away on the keyboard.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  I think that photo is sick.

• 6:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I think, I think Mike Eastman took it, but now I can't remember.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Hmm. Okay.

• 6:40Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, it's a cool one. It was a fun trip.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  So here's the second photo. For the viewers. Okay, this photo is, is that you?

• 6:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Okay, so Cam is standing.

• 6:53Cameron Hanes?

  I'm on the right.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Cam is standing on a, on a ridge, looks like a fresh, fresh dusting of snow.

• 7:00Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Holding a llama.

• 7:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  And you're in shorts.

• 7:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay, so that one, I was in there elk hunting. I, I think I killed a bull and then my buddy, so we had the llamas. My buddy went back, took the llamas, lost one, and it was loose back in the wilderness, like 12 miles back. So I'm like, you know, my buddy, Tim Thompson. So I said, okay. And I think this is how it all went, but I said, okay, I'll go, I'll go back over and find it. And you know, I mean, it's the largest wilderness area in Oregon, the Eagle Cap Wilderness, 356,000 acres. Llamas can go a lot of different places. So I'm like, oh, I'll take my old lady back there. This will be like, uh,

• 7:48Cameron Hanes?

  you know, sort of like going to Hawaii.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  It's like a vacation.

• 7:51Cameron Hanes?

  Like, sort of like vacation, you know, going, or maybe Mexico, or some people go, some people get crazy, go to maybe Costa Rica. I said, let's pack in, in the snow, 12 miles and try to find this llama in the wilderness. And um, so we take, you know, whatever, pretty romantic. So we take off. We get back and it wasn't snowing, but it started to snow once we got at higher elevation and uh, got back in there and started to spit snow pretty good and she started to cry. Um, said, this is how people die. Hypothermia, hypothermia, this and that. So I said, all right, we'll just head back.

• 8:34Cameron Hanes?

  As we were like six miles in right there, um, head back out. By the time we get back down to town, the storm had passed, it was sunny and nobody was dead and I didn't have a llama.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Did you find the llama?

• 8:46Cameron Hanes?

  Got the llama. It came all the way back down to town.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  What?

• 8:50Cameron Hanes?

  And they called. Yeah. Somehow we got up, we, somebody figured out who it was. We got a call and my buddy Tim went and got the llama.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:58Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, all, all was well.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  All worked out. Yeah. Okay. This is the next photo and this is the photo that for whatever reason imprinted on my brain as a 12 year old.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  This is you climbing a rock cliff.

• 9:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  With your bow strapped to your pack.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  What's the backstory here?

• 9:20Cameron Hanes?

  That was a photo shoot.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:22Cameron Hanes?

  That was a reenactment. So Nate Simmons, who I think he does Western Hunter still, but uh, worked for Eastmans. And I don't, I can't remember if he worked for Eastmans at that time or if that was before that, but he had filmed me before. So me, him and Trace again, took her on a big, big honeymoon, another vacation. All the way back in there and got some photos and camped out and I thought it was awesome.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:48Cameron Hanes?

  Got some sick photos.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  She had a photo suite.

• 9:50Cameron Hanes?

  She didn't think it was that great again, but yeah, that was Nate's handiwork. We did that for, it's a company called Robinson Labs. And I remember, I think they paid me a thousand dollars. And this is like a full day of driving, a full day or two, couple of days packing a million miles in there. And then another day of driving, kind of. So like, yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:15Cameron Hanes?

  Four days of effort.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  For whatever reason, there was multiple times I would remember this photo and I, and I would be like, okay, this guy, this crazy guy on this photo is climbing this cliff face with his bow on his back, no rope.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  I can do this.

• 10:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, no, that was actually kind of sketchy right there, but uh,

• 10:38Speaker 01

  sketchy.

• 10:38Cameron Hanes?

  But to get the right angle and make it look sketchy. Yeah, it was kind of pretty fun.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Okay, next one.

• 10:46Cameron Hanes?

  Nate Simmons is legend.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  This is a good one. Okay, um, this one is of Tanner.

• 10:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Good. This one is Tanner and he's sitting on a little rock outcropping, but the caption is, "In country as big and rugged as this, as this is here in the Eagle Cap, a guy would be lost without a good topo map and just as important, the ability to read it. Luckily Tanner Haynes is well schooled in topo mapology."

• 11:13Cameron Hanes?

  He is now. I mean, that's, I think he was about 12 there. So I think I was speaking out of turn on that caption, but yeah, now like, you know, going, uh, hard part of not Ranger School, but uh, RASP is they call it coal range and that's, they have to navigate.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:31Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like a huge, a lot of guys fail it, but Tanner's really good at navigation. So I guess I was like a little foreshadowing there because he is, you know, pace counts and uh, he's pro tractors and asthmus and he's, he can, I mean, he's way better than me now, but uh, back then, he was mostly just allergic to horse dander. So we rode in on horses and his whole face was all puffed up. So.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  I mean, what amount do you think of his time spent with you in the backcountry kind of helped with his navigation in the military?

• 12:08Cameron Hanes?

  Probably not navigation, just being tough though. Yeah, no, we didn't, I never even,

• 12:14Cameron Hanes?

  I sort of quizzed him like, because my plan was, and I wish I would have done it, but I was going to take the boys back there a million miles back, which, you know, they did at different times, but I was never separated. So I was like, my plan was there's this place back there, right there, we're scouting for sheep. His, his grandpa, uh, my wife's dad drew a sheep tag in 2004 and um,

• 12:38Cameron Hanes?

  It's once in a lifetime in Oregon and it was, I had him put in for that area. Only time he's ever put in for that area and he drew it and I put in for it my whole life. And so I'm like, okay, I'm going to go back and find the biggest ram and you know, see if we can keep track of that for when the season opens. And so we found the ram, ended up being the ram that he killed. I took him back in there and got an awesome ram. He's got a shoulder mount of it. But that, that was Tanner was with me scouting there. So my plan was, long story short, is that area was, kinda had, is a ridge top, it had some spine ridge going off of it. And I'm like, I'm gonna bring my boys back here and we're all gonna have a tent. I'm gonna get them set up on their

• 13:19Cameron Hanes?

  own ridge. So we'd be like a mile apart, but I wanted them to spend the night by themselves, like in a tent, even though I was only, a mile is a long way, which pitch black. And when you're on a lonely ridge in the middle of the night, a lot of men don't like that.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:38Cameron Hanes?

  So I thought, no, my kids, they need to know, okay, I'm right, I'm nothing, I'm right there. I mean, something could happen technically, but I decided it'd be a great exercise for, you're on your own, get some sleep, I'll see you in the morning.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:53Cameron Hanes?

  And I fucking never did it. God, so still so pissed at myself.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  That reminds me of this time I was hunting, pitched a tent down by this little lake, like High Alpine Lake, and I woke up in the middle of the night and heard what I thought was, you know, an animal of some kind, eating something or whatever. And so I was, I started yelling, hey, hey, and then eventually fell back asleep, didn't really stop. So I'm like, well, whatever it is, doesn't care. And I'm not getting out of my tent. Woke up in the morning, turns out it was just the water laughing against the rocks.

• 14:28Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Brutal. Felt like an idiot.

• 14:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, but do you know how many people create shit in their head? That's not even close to reality.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  I've done it a lot.

• 14:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I mean, that's what drives a lot of people out of the mountains.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:44Cameron Hanes?

  Is their fucking brain.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've done, I've had a lot of sleepless nights in the mountains, you know?

• 14:50Cameron Hanes?

  A lot of people have.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay, next one. This is a good one.

• 14:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yep, that's Barry Cox, right there is that Packer. And he was a great resource for me. I use him for drop camp sometimes, sometimes just to come in and get kills out on that hunt right there. Which this is hard to do in the wilderness. So I killed a nice four by four mule deer buck and a nice bull, same hunt.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, your caption is a great Packer Barry Cox loaded down with a trophy bull and buck from my best wilderness adventure.

• 15:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so that that is tough to do on the same trip. And I killed that buck on day like six or seven and I killed the bull like the next day. So if the buck was seven, the bull was eight, the buck was six, the bull was seven. But the point is, it'd been a while, I hadn't killed and then I got those back to back. Hard shot on the buck is sort of moving a little bit at like 70 yards. I had my whole camp and pack on Nate was filming. And I just snuck one in quartering away. He went straight down the hill piled up and the bull, I can't remember if I told the story on here, but

• 16:04Cameron Hanes?

  you can relate to this. We were going through the dark timber coming out and I had the herd up there in this boulder field and the bull was coming from left to right. And Nate's behind me, but I needed to get out to see where the elk were. We're in the dark timber, but we're going to be popping out sort of out of that into the light. And when, I mean, you're easy to see if you can shoot from the shadows better, but I needed to see exactly what the layout was. So I told Nate, stay right there for a second. I get up there, then I'm like, okay, there he is. Here he comes. Pull back, shoot. And I assumed while I was doing all that Nate would have said, oh, shit's getting ready to go down. I better get up there.

• 16:46Cameron Hanes?

  No, because I told him to stop. He stayed back there in the fucking middle of nothing where he couldn't see anything. And so then I shoot, I turn around and he's, you know, 10 or 20 yards back. And I'm like, what the?

• 17:00Cameron Hanes?

  I told him to stop.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:02Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't tell him, okay, come up. So it's all on me. You know, expecting people to be mind readers. But anyway, that's the story. Made a good shot on that bull. It went, it died in the boulder field. I got a really good, kind of a cool kill shot of it with the, it's this canyon, there's no trails into it. So getting, getting the horses back there, especially in the boulder fields. Horses can't get through boulders. I mean, their horses, the legs go through cracks and crevices. So I had to pack it out of the boulder field. But yeah, Barry came in, got, picked up the bull and the buck and it's a great trip.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, the photo, just to describe it as, you know, three horses in a, in a pack string on a rocky ridge, but you're skyline against some really rugged country, uh, obviously with the bull and buck on the other two horses, but.

• 17:50Cameron Hanes?

  Those are Spanish Mustangs, really good, really good, uh, sure footed horses.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, he looks like a badass in that photo.

• 17:57Cameron Hanes?

  He is a badass.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  One more photo.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  This one is.

• 18:03Cameron Hanes?

  Right here.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  Okay, this photo.

• 18:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Remember it well.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Is of you with your doll sheep.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  In a bunch of snow with, what is that, a little bibby?

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  And an ice tool next to you.

• 18:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  With, uh, some pretty rugged mountains in the background.

• 18:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that Roy took that photo. Uh, so it's 2008. That was on my birthday, October 2nd, 2008. And, uh, yeah, right? So I killed, if you're looking at that photo, I killed that ram to the left. To the right of that photo is where Roy fell and died. So it's like, that country, super rugged, um, Pioneer Peak. Uh, very like, when you're in Wasilla where Roy lived, you could look up and you can see Pioneer Peak. It's like, um, you know, the valley floor is sea level, uh, top of Pioneer Peak is like 6,600. So it's a big climb. We had to.

• 19:02Cameron Hanes?

  To pack in from zero feet elevation to I think our camp is probably about like fifty five, maybe it's a pretty good grind and then killed that ram. Everything's good there. We're eating our food because they got the kill. So we had a food. We had, we had, the season is 10 days long from October 1st to the 10th and we had 10 days worth of food, but I killed. So we're like a party. We're, we're boiling water. We can use our, our propane or, or gas, whatever we had and we could melt snow, drink, eat, ram on our back. It was, it was a great trip. 2008. Never forget it.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that photo is sweet. Okay, to the next section. So I wanted to know, your foreword here is written by Dwight Schu. At the time, what did that mean to have him write the foreword? Because I think a lot of people have heard of Dwight Schu.

• 20:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's, he is a legend. One of the greatest hunting writers, for sure bow hunting writers of our time. Just, he went to Oregon here, School of Journalism. Stud, bow hunted his whole life, bow hunted here in Oregon in the Eagle Cap Wilderness. So we always had that connection, had llamas like we used to. Hunted with Larry Jones who lives here and was also a legend. You know, we've talked about Elk Fever and I think you guys were trying to found, round up that video. But yeah, Dwight and Larry for us were like the icons and he was editor of Bowhunter Magazine, which is, was always the best bow hunting magazine in my opinion and the biggest. And so that was like, having him write that foreword

• 20:47Cameron Hanes?

  was just a validation for me. It meant everything because I had admired him for so long. And uh, yeah, we, we ended up becoming friends. We shared a hotel and actually a bed in Boston. We both ran the Boston Marathon.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  No kidding.

• 21:02Cameron Hanes?

  They, he, it's expensive back there in Boston during race week. So I said, hey, you, we can just share a room if you want. Well, didn't know one bed. So, so we, we shared the bed there in Boston and he, I think he broke four hours. So right under four hours, which is pretty damn good. He was a little older, you know, older than me, obviously. And that was the year that I ran with Lance. So it was that same year, 2008. But, um, yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 21:34Cameron Hanes?

  Dwight's a legend. Was a legend. He's, uh, he's gone now.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Okay. This next section I, I really liked. Um, the same photo I showed you that had kind of stuck with me. Of course I'm a, I was a dumb kid when I saw it. So I didn't read the quote that was on it.

• 21:50Cameron Hanes?

  Don't read. Yeah.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. I still don't know how to read. I'll try my best.

• 21:53Cameron Hanes?

  To he, the?

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Or like Larry last time, I'm just saying what everyone else wants to say.

• 22:07Cameron Hanes?

  Come on, Larry.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  We're working on that. Okay. Your quote is learn to control your fear or your fear will control you. Which I really liked that because.

• 22:19Cameron Hanes?

  Did I actually come up? Why is my name there? I don't know. If I came up with that, I'm smarter than I thought, but.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  It's like, uh, in the office, you know, you miss every shot. You don't take Wayne Gretzky, Michael Scott.

• 22:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. But anyways, I like this, this quote Connor and I talk about old Larry. Sorry. He doesn't have a real name. Talk about this all the time, which is like living, letting, I guess, living through fear, making your decisions based off fear. So in this whole section, you kind of talk about fear. Um, but you had an interesting take, which is using fear as an advantage. Instead of trying to get rid of it, using it as a way to, I mean, you say, you know, you're going to be more awake, more aware, wiser, more tolerant.

• 23:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, that section there specifically, I talked about fear because as, as we discussed earlier about sleeping in, you know, if I was going to do that with my kids, most guys act tough. It's cool to act tough. It's fun, right? Everybody's a badass. And I'm like. I didn't really feel like a badass. I felt like a big fucking pussy back there. Cause I was like, when I first started doing it, I was hearing the noises, just like you did. Just like I think everybody does it when they're starting out. We're so used to being around people and entertained and safe and comfortable. You take all that away and then you're also by yourself, which we're not accustomed to be alone.

• 23:47Cameron Hanes?

  And that is, there's a lot of fear there, even, I don't care how tough you want to try to act. You're by yourself back there. You're hearing shit. You're, you know, you're thinking like, can I, do I have enough food and water? Can I get out of here? What if weather comes? You're like all these, I don't know, you're just questioning everything. And so I wrote about that and I was just like, yeah, people do worry about, you know, I get it all the time. Like, do you ever see lions when you're running or predators? And when you're back there, you think about all that stuff. So I was just like, I'm just gonna talk about it and write about it. Yeah, it is, it can be scary in the mountains by yourself in the middle of the night. And nobody, I'd never heard anybody talk about it. So that

• 24:29Cameron Hanes?

  whole chapter is about, yeah, there's, sometimes we're gonna face or have to deal with fear and either we can run away from it or be like, great.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, I, I think guys especially like to act tough when they're with their buddies. You're in a group, but when you're back there by yourself, no one's there to back you up, you know?

• 24:51Cameron Hanes?

  I've seen even, I mean, I, you know, the mountains are very humbling. I've seen a lot of people who just, it's just not for them. And that's, that's fine.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:04Cameron Hanes?

  It's, people are, you know, they enjoy different things.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, you know, one of our episodes, we talked about running and, you know, I walk, you know, I'm not running the whole time. I think you even said the same. And people like to, they really related to that. I think a lot of people think, oh, if I'm gonna go run, I have to run the whole time. And then it becomes this big daunting task. And what I liked, well, as you were saying in this section, he talked about, he said, I'm not too proud to admit that when I first started doing the solo thing, deep in Oregon wilderness or Alaska's Kodiak Island, I was intimidated beyond belief. No, not just intimidated. At times I can admit now.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  I was afraid.

• 25:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:45Cameron Hanes?

  I was.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Here we have one of the most badass bow hunters ever who is intimidated and afraid.

• 25:51Cameron Hanes?

  Well.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  You know, in the beginning.

• 25:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know about most badass, but I remember like that photo there, you didn't, we didn't talk about it, but that's on Kodiak, little bivvy sack, rains, fucking, you know, you, you go there, basically we'd go on there on Halloween. So that first week of November, first 10 days or 12, sometimes we stayed 12 days. That was always the best for the rut, but you're just getting, the weather is usually terrible. And so Roy and I would get dropped off on the beach with a little super cub, different trips in. And then we'd be like, okay, well, I'm going to go this way, you'll go that way. I see in 12 days if I don't see it before, no plans on anything. And so that night, I remember I killed that buck and I was like, it's a nice four point buck.

• 26:37Cameron Hanes?

  And I'm like gutting it, looking over my shoulder the whole time going, which way is the wind going? Cause the, the bears always, they smell.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:44Cameron Hanes?

  So they're just coming up.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:45Cameron Hanes?

  The trail of the wind and uh, I'm like, I killed that buck and I'm like, man, I, you know, like looking around, looking around. And I see these bear like walking to the bottom of the valley. It seemed like it was a sow and a cub or sow and, and two full grown cubs. But um, you say full grown, they might be 400 pounds.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:07Cameron Hanes?

  They're just, they could kind of survive on their own, even though they hang out with their mom. But the sow looked like a Volkswagen bug down there. I mean, I was just like, oh my God, that bear is so, you know, a thousand pound bear, or whatever they are. And uh, so I'm like trying to get this buck taken in somehow way over the ridge. I see Roy, never planned on even seeing him. He comes over and we get a picture together, but uh, it was, I think I started, what I started to tell the stories was the night before. It's dark from, and I think I talked about it in that chapter, but it, it would get dark at about four in the afternoon and light at about nine in the morning. So.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  It's a lot of darkness.

• 27:53Cameron Hanes?

  Oh my, what, I don't, it seemed like I figured before it was like seven, 17 hours, but like, let's see 12, yeah. So 17 hours of night.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:02Cameron Hanes?

  That's a long night. You know, you talk about like, if you're hunting in September, early September in the West for elk, it's gonna be dark, like dark, dark from maybe almost 10 till, I mean, four something.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:19Cameron Hanes?

  It's starting to sun's, it's getting a little gray light. So, short night.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:24Cameron Hanes?

  Seventeen hours? Brutal, dude. And you're laying there, you think you hear stuff like in your tent, like you said that, I mean, in a bivvy sack laying on your face, all condensation, and you're soaked from being all out there all day in the rain. And you're just laying there that bivvy's right on your face like this. And it's pitch black, and you're like, and somebody'd say that was like, basically, you're like a, like a corn dog for a bear.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Taking a blanket.

• 28:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, taking a blanket. So, I remember the nights were brutal on that hunt. And, uh, so I saw Roy somehow, he came, was by him, even though we were miles apart, um, for most of the hunt. Then we went back down and, and we cooked up some steaks, uh, backstrap steaks, and we're laying there. And, um, we had, I remember I was talking about how we weren't very smart, because we had, um, like, a pan full of backstrap laying there, scent wafting, or wafting, or whatever, whatever that, just imagine scent, like,

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Like a cartoon?

• 29:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, through the air. And we're like, we're probably not that smart to be cooking in our tent, have this pan laying in between us, full of backstrap, but whatever.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think later in the book, you, you give your crossbones rating.

• 29:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Sick of blacktail. And it was, uh, I think you gave it four.

• 29:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, there's a lot of risk. There's risk there. I mean, anytime you're around those big, big bears.

• 30:04Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, on that, what I did, cause I was like all DIY public land. So I'd like, I think I had the five best value DIY public land adventures, but then it had also the, the rate, like the danger rating type thing.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, here it is.

• 30:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Sidco blacktail.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Let's see.

• 30:23Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty fun.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Loss of life or limb rating. We get a four.

• 30:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yep. Yeah.

• 30:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 30:30Cameron Hanes?

  It's mostly because of the, I mean, the plane, there's a plane crash there. Uh, so you're getting flown in, yet like that picture there is a deer strung way up to get it away from the bear way up a meat pole.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Way in the air.

• 30:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's just like those bear, I don't know. They're pretty intimidating, but it's just the weather, the bear, the, the logistics of getting in and out. Um, a lot to navigate.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  In one section in your, you talk about success and you say, success will be rare for a bow hunter who lacks passion and drive, which is obviously true to bow hunting, but I think that's really true in general, you know, to, to anything anyone does.

• 31:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, in life, you mean?

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:15Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. To be successful, you know, I feel like you have to have passion and drive.

• 31:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You know, and that's the thing is, you know, how many people go through life and with no, just kind of getting day to day, like where's the fucking passion? What do you care about? And it's just, that's kind of sad to me if I'm gonna, I don't want, whatever. I mean, uh, I don't know. I mean, it's just such a gift to be able to chase dreams, to set goals, to self-improvement, to maybe what people have a goal, write a book, to, uh, see the world to what, like, what do you care about? What's your, and just to get through every day and not like get the most out of your life?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:05Cameron Hanes?

  That, that seems pretty tragic to me. So, um, I love people who can identify their passion and then chase it. And I think, you know, what I was getting at is most people never really do it, never really find what moves them.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I, I talk to people and, um, especially friends my age and. Um, I do not envy someone who doesn't know what they're passionate about. You know, that's, that's hard. A lot of people don't know what they want to do or what they feel like they're here for. And yeah, that's gotta be rough.

• 32:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I think there's, I mean, I don't know. Your passion, what is your passion? Creating?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:46Cameron Hanes?

  And creating, getting feedback, uh, moving people by whatever you create with photos or video. And yeah, that's, there's something.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:58Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know, impacting others.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I don't, I wouldn't understand why, but I think it's the only thing I've ever wanted to do. So I feel lucky that I've had that compass, you know, in my life. So yeah, anyways.

• 33:12Cameron Hanes?

  That's beautiful.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Thank you. This next section is ASMR.

• 33:18Cameron Hanes?

  Wait, listen to this.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  We just lost 90% of our listeners.

• 33:29Cameron Hanes?

  Do people like that? I think people listen to that shit, don't they?

• 33:31Speaker 01

  I think, I think for some people, well, uh, Macy, I won't make you.

• 33:36Cameron Hanes?

  Now, hey, if we could just have the audio of the colonoscopy.

• 33:42Cameron Hanes?

  A M A S M R of it?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:47Cameron Hanes?

  We'll just build from the slurping the coffee to the colonoscopy.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Uh, that is heinous. Heinous anus.

• 33:54Cameron Hanes?

  That's me.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Along those lines of kind of the success, and you mentioned self-improving. In the book, you also give like a hunt report card, which I thought was super cool, but I think that's super applicable. Applicable.

• 34:10Cameron Hanes?

  It works.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  To life as well.

• 34:13Cameron Hanes?

  You said it better than Larry could.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you do that with kind of everything? You, you look back and give yourself a report card, what you did right, what you did wrong, you know, a grade?

• 34:23Cameron Hanes?

  Um, yeah, I mean, just in general, I'm not trying to do anything different than what I do right now. I'm just trying to do everything better. And so whatever I've been doing, I just want to be better at it. Yeah. Cause the formula I have is like, this works, like if you say lift, run, shoot. If you say whatever, you know, uh, yeah, run the mountain, however many times, how many miles a week? Shoot, how many arrows? I'm just trying to get better at what I do. Sure. I'm not trying to add new shit in. Right. Add new hobbies or new little twists on stuff. So, um, yeah, I'm trying to improve and you know, when I think about like, you know, my hunts this year, I can always get better.

• 35:07Cameron Hanes?

  I can always, um, there's things where I made, you know, if I think about like, of course I killed on all my hunts, but there's times during those hunts where I made mistakes and I could have killed sooner. Like when I think about the one, there's that one little clip where I said something about your pants swishing, but that bull, there's no reason I should not have killed that bull. That was me screw, that was me. I don't know what, what I could have done differently, but I had that bull at 37 yards.

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  And how did he get out of there without an arrow in him? And it was an awesome bull. So I'm just like, how could, what did I do? How did I, did I push when I should have been more patient? Was I too patient when I should have pushed? So I'm always like, um, breaking down each scenario and just like, when I think about that one right there, I know there's a time the bull hat was to the right. I could see his antlers, I couldn't see his eye. I should have closed quicker to get, because what happened was I got to 37, which in that, uh, setting there was about max shot distance, just because there's a bunch of trees and shit in there. A bunch of quakes.

• 36:25Cameron Hanes?

  And that was about 37 to 45 yards. It's about as far as you're going to shoot there. So by only getting to the furthest end of that, I really screwed up my potential opportunities. Cause it had to be like, he had to turn, give me one, and I had to stop him. Be a full draw and ready to shoot quickly. If I would have closed quicker when his eye was blocked and maybe to 25, then I have so much more opportunity. Because instead of one lane or two lanes, I would have had maybe six lanes of opportunity to stop him. Or to have him stop naturally without me stopping, which is what I'd rather do.

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  I want to kill them without them ever knowing I'm in the area. But, so I think about things like that, like, okay, I should have closed when I, when I could have. Instead of laying back and, um, so yeah, when I think about that one, I had the same other one in the rain. Um, uh, yeah, I mean, that other, the other big bull I got to 39 yards on, um, should have got, got him killed.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  When the, when the wind switched.

• 37:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I'm always thinking about like, uh,

• 37:43Cameron Hanes?

  how I can be better at my craft and just implementing ways to just get the animal killed. How, how I can be just more effective. Yeah. But I think about every hunt. I mean, cause I think a lot of times we, we get, uh, we trick ourselves and we think, oh, we were successful. We must've done everything perfect. And I know I don't.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:07Cameron Hanes?

  I'm successful, but I'm not perfect. So it's like, I can always get better. I'm always thinking about, you know, every hunt, every hunt I can, I have scenarios like that where I'm like, could have been better.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I think it's for some people at least, and me included, it's easier to learn from failures. Cause it's, it's in your face. You know, there's no avoiding, I failed, you know, what did I do wrong? But I think it's also just as important to learn from the, from the wins as well.

• 38:36Cameron Hanes?

  Well. That is another pet peeve of mine, now that you brought it up. Like, when people say, you learn more from failure. I'm like, no, that. I wanna, I can learn from success, too. I don't need to fail to learn. So that's my point. It's just like, I don't wanna have to fail. I don't want to fail. I'm not gonna fail, but I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna learn. You know, but you don't have to fail to learn, you know, and that's, that's kinda where people like can kinda trick themselves a little bit like, oh, it's okay to fail because, you know, this is hard. Everybody fails. I'm just like, I'm not comparing myself to anybody. I'm, I wanna win every single time, but I also wanna learn.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:17Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, might be just semantics, but I, I'd look at everything probably different than most people.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Final point, and I'd like to lay this debate to rest. And you're probably not the person to ask, but you are today.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  In your book, you mentioned this word, and I wanna know how you pronounce it.

• 39:37Cameron Hanes?

  Actually, I can tell you.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:39Cameron Hanes?

  Banzai. Is that the word?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:42Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  But now we know.

• 39:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  All right, here's the word. I won't, I won't say it.

• 39:53Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Wapiti. Yeah, that's Indian word for elk.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  I know, but I've always said Wapiti.

• 40:02Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  That sounds more Native American to me.

• 40:05Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I don't know. I think it's Wapiti.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Damn it.

• 40:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't know. My, that might be my, whatever, screwed up culture, but yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  I mean, if I was really fucked up, I'd do a terrible impression.

• 40:18Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, the guy with the arrowhead from Napoleon Dynamite?

• 40:25Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you could do it.

• 40:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, did he say Wapiti ever? Well, how would he say it?

• 40:34Speaker 01

  He would say Wapidi.

• 40:37Cameron Hanes?

  Well, say it how he'd say it. Talk like him.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  In that creek bed over there, I found that Wapidi arrowhead.

• 40:46Cameron Hanes?

  So is this an arrowhead just for elk? Is that what he found?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:50Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, nice.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Pretty wild.

• 40:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna go in the collection of arrowheads.

• 40:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Well, that's disappointing. I owe a couple of people an apology.

• 41:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's not gonna be your, your last.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  No, no, it's not. You know, because you think like old Native American.

• 41:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  I get edited out anyways.

• 41:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and speaking of like Native American, where is my San Carlos elk tag? Do you have it?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it got sent to my place.

• 41:27Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  And unfortunately, they put it in my name.

• 41:29Cameron Hanes?

  Oh dang, well, congratulations.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Which is weird, yeah.

• 41:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so you owe me 40,000 then?

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Oh, no, they

• 41:38Speaker 01

  they said you'd take care of it.

• 41:40Cameron Hanes?

  On, yeah, I did talk to Casey Brooks called me the other day.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 41:45Cameron Hanes?

  So he said, because I put up that thing, sort of, you know, I just hate when hunters talk shit about other hunters.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:52Cameron Hanes?

  It's pretty, but, so he saw that or, or listened to it or something like that. And he said that, so we talked about the kill and talked about everything. It was, you know, kind of a cool story, but he said, because I had his back, this is where he's telling the story, the Cape Hammering Collective.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 42:12Cameron Hanes?

  I know, exclusive. And he's gonna, he had the antlers with him and he's like, I gotta go show you this picture of these antlers there in his truck. So we did a FaceTime and I saw him, but, so he's gonna bring the antlers.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 42:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and he's, he's like, you will not believe how big these things are, because it's 490, right? So, I mean, I'm gonna let him have this world record until this year. Because I'm planning on killing a, well, if I ever get that tag. Planning on killing a 500 inch.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:43Cameron Hanes?

  On San Carlos. So about that tag.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, where are we?

• 42:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but that's pretty cool. I wanna, I do want a whole, I mean, four hundred and ninety inches of antler. I can't even imagine.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  I can't either.

• 43:02Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you look at, you know, it's a hundred inches bigger than, than, I mean, my biggest. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot bigger.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 43:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:15Cameron Hanes?

  Awesome bull.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Well, that's all I had besides everyone wishing you a good colonoscopy.

• 43:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Good. I think we're gonna livestream it. I'm kinda looking forward to it because uh, it's um, you know, I think, anytime I call in there and talk about like,

• 43:35Cameron Hanes?

  I've asked the questions about, oh, can I drink this or eat this or whatever the hell it is? And I'm always like, okay, well, I'm really looking forward to seeing you guys Friday. Should be fun. And they're like, hee hee hee hee. And I'm like, I hope these girls in there, cause it's for some reason, I don't know why it's always like, young girls in this. And I'm just like, I'm hoping they're taking like selfies and stuff.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  While you're on the table?

• 44:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, passed out.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Camera in your ass?

• 44:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, camera in my ass. It's like, so that's, that'd be kinda fun.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fun. Posting on their Snapchat story.

• 44:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Good day in the office.

• 44:16Cameron Hanes?

  God, fricking, I don't, yeah, I don't really like the thought of just being, I like getting knocked out or whatever they do to, I mean, I had to have one before cause I'm old as fuck, but.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Better than being awake for it.

• 44:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I was talking to my buddy the other day and I was like, God, I gotta get this thing on Friday. Have you ever had one? He's like, yeah, I've had like five of them. I'm like, why? What? Is it, do you want me to see if I can get you in before we can do a double on Friday? Do you like to do them or?

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Double header, double header colonoscopy.

• 44:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe they got a two-headed machine, like we could do it at the same time. I don't know. You know, it could be like a, a couples colonoscopy appointment.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a great idea. If they don't do it already, they should.

• 45:02Cameron Hanes?

  You know, instead of going to the middle of the wilderness for a honeymoon, you could,

• 45:08Cameron Hanes?

  you know, your very own colonoscopy.

• 45:14Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, so tomorrow's the day. I gotta go start my, uh, my, uh, what cocktail to clean me out.

• 45:25Cameron Hanes?

  God, which is why I had to do like, I did threesomes this morning, fasted. Cause I can't eat. Man, that sucked.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Now you're on a cut.

• 45:35Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I gotta make weight, dude. I'm gonna wear a garbage sack in there tomorrow. So I'm sweating. Be like, uh, Vision Quest. Did you ever see Vision Quest?

• 45:47Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it, but I know what a Vision Quest is.

• 45:50Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's a wrestling movie.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Really?

• 45:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm gonna have to.

• 45:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, you gotta watch it. It's a classic. But yeah.

• 45:58Cameron Hanes?

  Can't remember his name, but he had to make weight. So he's always running with a garbage bag over his head or not over his head, but over his body. Anyway, yeah, so I gotta get to making weight. So we gotta go. Got a big bout tomorrow.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll, we'll let you guys know how it goes.

• 46:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, check it. Check the live stream. All right, guys. Keep hammering.