#2512 - Joey Diaz

Joey Diaz is a stand-up comedian, actor, and writer. He is the host of the podcast “The Church of What’s Happening Now: The New Testament” and the author of “Tremendous: The Life of a Comedy Savage.”www.youtube.com/@JoeyDiazwww.patreon.com/JoeyDiazwww.joeydiaz.net Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Use code ROGAN at https://BlueChew.com to get 10% OFF + Free Overnight Shipping on your first order. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast my night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  All right, brother.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Hey. What's happening? What's going on?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Same shit. Great to be here.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  Great to see you. How you feeling?

• 0:17Speaker 01

  I sit my knee like a tip-top fucking magoo.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Your knee, I can't believe you could walk so quickly after getting the knee fixed again.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  It was like three days, man.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  But yesterday I fucked it up at Newark Airport because I wanted to walk. You know, but it was like, like I walk every day at the gym and then I walk my neighborhood for breakfast and after dinner. But that's a loop, you know? This was 10 loops yesterday. So thank God I had a baggie with edibles with me on the plane. I hate the edibles and I put, I asked the fucking flight attendant if she'd give me some ice and that's how I got it down. Then I, you rub it with that Vortam shit, that liquid cocaine juice that's...

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a cream that, that became illegal. You buy it over the counter.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 0:59Speaker 01

  It's Vor something, Vor, don't quote me, man. But it's a good cream. It numbs your eye. You have to rub it though, twice a day.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it fucking feels fantastic.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  I've never heard of it.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Voltron, Voltrax.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Vol, what?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Don't listen to me, dog. Just Google what's the...

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Is that it?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  That's it. Voltrax. See, I was right.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  Voltrax, arthritis pain. And you just rub it on your knee?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Couple of times a day, anything that hurts.

• 1:23Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 1:24Speaker 01

  It's like a fucking gel with cocaine that takes care of the fucking situation for you.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  Prescription strength, over the counter, non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory that penetrates the skin to relieve joint pain, inflammation and stiffness. Interesting. I never heard of it before. Widely used for osteoarthritis and muscle aches, but should not be used for acute injuries like simple strains or bruises. Wonder why? Why can't you use it for strains or bruises? Does it say why? That seems weird, cuz like, that's what people use, um, like Ibuprofen and shit for. I wonder why you can't use it.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Like, I couldn't use any of that shit. I could only use Tylenol, whatever the fuck that is. I couldn't take Ibuprofen after the surgery.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 2:11Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever used DMSO?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  I don't know what that is, Joe.

• 2:15Joe Rogan?

  It's this shit right here.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  You rub it on?

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They, uh, that's another horse tranquilizer, another horse medication. Yeah, they, they use it in veterinary applications, but it's a, it's really good for pain, for pain and injury. Take that, keep it. No, I have a bunch of them.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:33Joe Rogan?

  I buy, I buy shit in bulk.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  We were talking about Laalazado.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  That was the early steroids, which were the seventies.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  You don't know what the fuck we were getting in the seventies. Everything came from Germany, I think.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  I think they were getting-

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Dectadrabalin, all that shit.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  I think they were getting human growth hormone from cadavers. See if that's true. Jamie, put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity. Did they used to get human growth hormone from cadavers? I think they did. I think that's how they used to get it.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  What do you get human growth hormone from now?

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. Um, I don't know. I don't know how they do it. It's synthetic. I know it's synthetic. So, it must be they isolate the molecule, they figure out how to reproduce it, and then they make it somehow. I have no idea. Um, but the way they used to do it back then. Cadaver-derived human growth hormone was real used mid nineteen hundreds to nineteen eighty-five. It turned out to be dangerous cuz it sometimes transmitted prion diseases like Croxfeldt-Jacob- Jacob, and is no longer used. It has been fully replaced by synthetic recombinant HDH. So, uh, Croxfeldt-Jacob disease, that's mad cow disease. It's the same kind of disease.

• 3:48Joe Rogan?

  And what it comes from is, it's the same thing that cannibals get. When people eat human brain tissue, they, they get, and, and neurons and that kinda shit, you get this same disease.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Alzada was one of the first US sports figures to admit using anabolic steroids in the last year of his life as he battled against the brain tumor which eventually caused his death. Alzada asserted that his steroid use abuse steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness. He recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. Started taking anabolic steroids in 69 and never stopped. Now I'm sick and I'm scared. I was addicting mentally. It was addicting mentally and mentally addicting. 90% of athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 pounds or jump 30 feet. I became very violent on the field, off it too. I did things only crazy people do. Once in 1979 in Denver, a guy sideswiped my car. I chased him up and down the hills through the neighborhoods.

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  I did that a lot. I chased a guy, pulled out of his car, beat the hell out of him. But look at me now. I wobble when I walk and sometimes I have to hold on to somebody. You have to give me time to answer questions because I have trouble remembering things. He died at 43. 43. What did he read? Brain cancer. Wow.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  He didn't look good at the end. Like he wore the bandanas.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Alzada was Jewish? Says he was inducted into the Jewish Hall of Fame. What did it say? Go back to that, what I was just reading?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  International Jewish.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Jewish Sports Hall of Fame. I didn't even know that existed. Okay. So I don't know if that was that stuff that Growth Warmer did that, but.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Well, listen, he's saying he can't walk at the end, he can't remember. That's the knocks to the head. And mixed with whatever was going on.

• 5:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  With everything else, it becomes something else, you know?

• 5:44Joe Rogan?

  I lied amidst a massive. That's one of those lies that like everybody, you know, it's like when bodybuilders say they're natural. Like shut the fuck up bitch. Nobody's that big. Nobody's that big without help. There's a bunch of goofy guys out there that still try to claim natural. Like come on, son.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  How many fucking steaks do you eat a day? Like the Barbarian Brothers, thirty-six eggs.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  There's some guys that have freak genetics. They have very unusual genetics and they get real big naturally. But that's rare. That's super, super rare.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  As a matter of fact, I got picked up by an Uber S3. Guess who was the driver?

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yoel Romero's nephew.

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  And he's a judo champion.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  We talked in Spanish for about fifteen, twenty minutes.

• 6:25Joe Rogan?

  Was this in Jersey or here?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Right here. He lives in...

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  No shit.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Because all these Uber drivers are Cuban.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  All of them in Austin.

• 6:30Joe Rogan?

  They'll get replaced by robots.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Fuck that.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Those goddamn Waymos.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Bro, I saw a Cuban yell at a robot a couple... Last time I was here, he got out of the car yelling at the car. He realized, "Coño, en robot." He got back in the car. My bad.

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Because the guy cut him off.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  They cut you off all the time, these fucking Waymos.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  No, I stay away from those motherfuckers.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  They get right in front of you. They're ridiculous.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  I don't trust those cars and all. And I don't see how people sit... I don't... It's not for me, brother.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  Did you hear about that lady? She got into one and a homeless guy was in the back?

• 6:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some guy used the Waymo. He got his luggage out, left the hatch open. Probably figured the thing closed itself. It didn't. Homeless guy hopped in, shut the door. Lady gets the Waymo. There's a homeless guy in the back. He starts yelling at her for paying robots. Why are you paying robots?

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• 8:16Joe Rogan?

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• 10:01Speaker 01

  I gotta tell you about my homeless situation this week, Joe.

• 10:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  So, my daughter played at Egg Harbor this weekend. It's like 25 minutes outside of Atlantic City, which is an hour and a half from my house. So, we went down for Saturday's tournament. They won. Now, we got two more games on Sunday. So, we got a hotel. I didn't wanna get a hotel at Oceans, I'm gonna be at Oceans in August, but I didn't wanna go there because all the other parents were in fucking Harris. So, I said, "Fuck it, I don't wanna be that guy, I'll stay at Harris with you." So, the game ended, and my wife had to drive the kids somewhere, and I go, "You know what?" Because every weekend, when I go on those little trips, I go to a weed store. Like, last week, I went into one in Trenton. Dog, this was a block from the state capitol, you could see the dome. The black guy called me back, and he goes, "No, no, no, I got a secret place in the back."

• 10:50Speaker 01

  He had mushrooms, mushroom chocolate.

• 10:53Joe Rogan?

  Don't say this, you're gonna, you guys are gonna get in trouble.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Dog, there's eighteen stores in fucking, you know, you gotta figure it out. I'm not ratin' nobody out, they know what's going on, the cops. They got a, I mean, they had packaged mushrooms, all different flavors, blue, white, the whole thing. This week, I go to Atlantic City, I go to this one, Everell, whatever, it's supposed to be the big one.

• 11:12Joe Rogan?

  The big one?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  The big weed store in Atlantic City, and it's right by the casino. So, as I pull up, I park my car in front, as I walk out, there's four yoked brothers. Yoked, with gold chains on, in one of those fucking suburban millionaire cars, what do you call the big truck?

• 11:28Joe Rogan?

  Escalades?

• 11:29Speaker 01

  No, the other one, the one that looks like they're attacking your town, not the...

• 11:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, AMG, G wagons?

• 11:34Speaker 01

  I don't fucking know, anyway, they're in there, they're in there bumping shit, and they see me, and they go, "Yo, we know you." And I go, "Yeah, what up, brother, hold on, I'll catch you on the way out." I thought, by the time I got out, they would leave.

• 11:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  So, I went in, I come on, they're all outside their cars. All four brothers, yoked, big gold chains, like, "Yo, you're the motherfucker that goes on Rogan." "No, that's the motherfucker from The Longest Yard, we looked you up." So, they're talking to me, talking to me, talking, we're rocking and rolling. Rogan, the UFC, "Yo, what do you think about that?" And I'm loving it, but in the middle of all this, this black little homeless crackhead... Walks his way over and I could hear him ask the other guy, who's this white motherfucker? And the black guy goes, that's the dude from The Longest Yard, you know, the football movie. The black guy comes over and I see him, walk right over and he goes, hey, Mr. Football Man, why don't you break out a dollar for me? He just bummed me out a dollar, I had to give him ten. I was so fucking embarrassed.

• 12:30Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you break out a dollar for me?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Why don't you break out a dollar for me, Mr. Football Star? I gave him a ten, this motherfucker ran, he walked up with a limp, but he ran away. Like, he was going right for crack. I'm like, these motherfuckers, they got a game for everything. I love it, I love all that shit, Joe.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  It's fun to be around wacky people every now and then, just people living on the edge.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  But that Atlantic City, outside those casinos, bro, that shit's real.

• 12:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we saw a drug transaction right on the street when we were down there last.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Bro, I'm surprised you didn't see a hooker get mugged or something like that. They are not fucking around. I took a ride Saturday night about ten, just take a little ride. Bro, you make a right in some of those corners, you ain't coming back. And I thought by now that at least build up the outside of AC.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. No, it's barely making money. You know, A- AC doesn't do well, not like Vegas does, you know what I mean? Like, AC's got some nice spots, you can go there and have a good time, but it's not like it's gonna grow.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  You go to the Borgata with the Italians and shit?

• 13:29Joe Rogan?

  The outside's too sketch.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  The Borgata, all the Italians go down with their white shoes on the week, hey, it's got old, what up, you know? But nah, I don't like the Borgata that much. I like the, I like the couple hotels down there.

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  There's some nice places.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we stayed in the Borgata when it first opened, you and I. You had a gig there, you had a gig there.

• 13:45Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, it's not gonna grow like Vegas is, you know? Vegas is crazy. See, when, Vegas had a head start. The thing, like, if they tried to make Vegas now, ooh, tough sell, tough sell. Too many places to go, you can gamble everywhere, you can gamble on your phone now. But when Vegas was first, there was no casinos in the country, dog, it was just Vegas. And I wonder if they made some sort of a deal, well, let them blow off atomic bombs. They blow off these atomic bombs and then, you know, we'll put the casinos in.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  What's the difference?

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  I thought that, but then we looked it up and it turned out they made Vegas before the atomic bomb. So I'm like, well, what, I guess it was just gangsters. They just bribed people or convinced people. There was nothing going on there.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  It was a pit stop. They opened up Vegas for a pit stop for American soldiers to stop on the way. Or something like that.

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, was it in the 30s, right? Was it the 30s, Jamie?

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Didn't the guy that owned the Comedy Store?

• 14:44Joe Rogan?

  When Vegas was created?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, didn't the guy that owned the Comedy Store? He was in charge of Vegas and he robbed and they shot him.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Same guy as the Comedy Store?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Same guy as the Comedy Store, so.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  He was in charge?

• 14:55Speaker 01

  He's fucking genius, that fucking, that motherfucker was a genius. Well, he got shot because he stole at the end, the expenses and.

• 15:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is that what it was?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  The casinos, you know, he gave, in those days, they borrowed money from the unions in Chicago. And then you borrowed that and you worked off those Teamster loans, those Jimmy Hoffa loans. So you had to build on those. Well, the expenses never stopped.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  And they were like, what the fuck is going on? And he was hanging out with Jane Seymour or something, going back and forth like a millionaire, like a movie star, they ain't legging, they shot him.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  That's why they shot him?

• 15:27Speaker 01

  I think so. They shot him in his house and his eyeball or something.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and his eyeball.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Something like that. I remember that, so.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a picture of his dead body allegedly online.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  In LA, right?

• 15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, in LA, I believe so. So that was all because of the casinos, huh?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  But then they made it, you know, it's like when we first went to Denver, the money was too good. I don't give a fuck if it's Jesus and his three disciples, they're gonna take that envelope. It's too good.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what it was going on in the beginning? They weren't allowed to use credit cards, everything had to be cash.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Cash, yeah.

• 15:55Joe Rogan?

  And it was crazy. So these guys were leaving the fucking, and they bring like, six special forces guys with them. They'd have fucking green berets and Navy SEALs and shit, like armed to the tits, because they're transferring millions of dollars in cash. So the whole thing was nuts, man. It was nuts. I, I read this story about the dilemma, like these people are making all this money. And the crazy thing is, the state was making all that money too. Because the taxes on the legal weed, look this up, please.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  I think it was like 39%.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  It's fucking crazy.

• 16:28Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was like, sure. Like you would never accept 39% on alcohol, you'd never accept 39% on ground beef.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  But 39% on weed, you're like, I'll take it.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  During the pandemic in LA, you had to buy an extra tax to go open. That's why they called them. Uh, what do they call those businesses that had to be open?

• 16:46Joe Rogan?

  Dispensaries?

• 16:47Speaker 01

  No, no, no. They're businesses that they had a purpose to be open during the pandemic.

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, essential.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Essentials.

• 16:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  They made that essential, but they they charged an extra tax, ten percent tax.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're making so much money off weed in California.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  But now, look at all the weed stores. They're starting to close.

• 17:02Joe Rogan?

  Are they?

• 17:03Speaker 01

  And in Jersey, they created a dilemma because the state convinced them that they had to build and all this shit. So all these places started, you know, you you're opening up a shop, mine is three mil. Listen. It's a lot of twenty dollar bags to get the three three mil.

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  A lot. And not only that, there's a lot of competition.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  And how many weed stores are in L.A.? It's bananas.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Bro, in English Town, New Jersey, there's four of them, and here's where it gets better. They're all on the same block.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Do you, did you ever go to that place in Inglewood with me? Back when it was, uh, only medical, the Inglewood Wellness Center?

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Lollipops.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, I went there one time with you.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, the guy that ran that got shot. That dude that we used to deal with?

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 17:41Joe Rogan?

  Got shot in that store.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  They killed him?

• 17:44Joe Rogan?

  No, I think he lived. Uh, I'm not sure, though. Look that up. He might have died.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the first place you had the lollipops on on Fear Factor.

• 17:52Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  It was from that guy.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inglewood Wellness Center. That was in the nineties. That was in the days where it was, uh, legal, uh, if you had a medical reason, and any medical reason would do. Oh, my feet hurt. Get in there.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  Sign them up.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  But anybody who does martial arts, uh, has the pain excuse. Cause everybody's in pain, and it does help you with pain. It is like, if you could take aspirin, THC like gummies with CBD are phenomenal for aches and pains, man. You remember Dave Foley?

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  Dave Foley's hand, of course you do. Dave Foley's hand was all fucked up from arthritis. He started taking CBD and now his hand is full function again. CBD's amazing, man.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  They just blew it up out of content a couple of years ago.

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, who knows who's making it and what the quality is?

• 18:43Speaker 01

  But no, it is.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  That's the things, when when things are gray, you get a bunch of douchebags making stuff. You know, I used to have a bit about that, about the gummy bears. Like, they're not making these gummy bears in the same labs. They're making Tylenol, they're very inconsistent. You get one of them, you swear it's a thousand milligrams and the other one feels like it's like a hundred. They barely make sense, back in the day, back in, you know, when it was the Wild West.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  So I got some 500 milligrams in my pocket, they feel like 500 milligrams. Whether you take them.

• 19:10Joe Rogan?

  Now I don't think you can do that anymore, I'm talking about like way back in the day. It was different, because way back in the day, there was like, it was the Wild West.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  First of all, way back in the day, they didn't put warnings on this shit.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  No, no warnings.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  You didn't know how many milligrams were in this stuff. And I remember eating a brownie one time and flying to Pittsburgh in a red eye, and my leg wouldn't stop tapping. Like it wouldn't stop fucking tapping.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  I remember one time we were on a plane and you had a panic attack, and then you waited like an hour later and then popped two more.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  I was like, how are you doing that? You're like, Joe Rogan, I almost got off the plane, I couldn't take it, I couldn't breathe, my fucking heart was closing, it was like my chest was closing in on me, the walls were closing in, I thought the plane was gonna crash. I was freaking out, I almost said, turn the fucking plane around.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Oh, you have no idea.

• 19:55Joe Rogan?

  But I'm back, baby, you just popped two more.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  You have no idea what I put myself through over the years.

• 20:00Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you do that?

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Because I just wanna take a chance, Columbus did. I'm sitting at home, it's two in the afternoon, you're bored as shit, you're like, let's see what happens. And the only thing that would hold me back is if I had a spot that night.

• 20:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Then I would tame it, be like a couple hundred milligrams.

• 20:17Joe Rogan?

  You don't wanna go up on stage with too much edible.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Yes, you do.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes you don't.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Yes, you do, sometimes you need to.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

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• 21:08Joe Rogan?

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• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:30Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes you just stay on the trail.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but listen, Pat.

• 21:32Joe Rogan?

  You're filming a special, stay on the trail.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Last week I went to do a spot. I figured, let me wait five weeks. I haven't been on stage since April 18th. Let me go do a spot. I'm nervous. I get down there and there's 50 people. Perfect. Break my cherry, do it.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  I got into such a groove, I ended up doing an hour. That was because of the edible I took before I went on stage. No material, I told you that. I got nothing.

• 21:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  That's it, I'm starting over from scratch. Got nothing. I talked about going to the hospital and then it just became something else. And at the end, I was up there an hour.

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  My leg was starting to fucking throb.

• 22:05Joe Rogan?

  Did you film it or record it or anything?

• 22:07Speaker 01

  No, I just, I didn't know it was gonna be gold.

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  But that's why THC, somebody said THC is like a banned substance for comics. Because if you really let it absorb you, and I'm not telling you to smoke, pop, but that, I had an audition. Whenever I have an audition, I read it, I put it away. I just get stoned and then I go back and I look at it again, complete different sheet. Now I can pick out things, now I can point. Then I leave it again, I get high and I come back like an hour later. And that's what I think THC makes me just relax. Look, I live in anxiety naturally, naturally. I beat myself up. This morning, it's 8:30, I'm drinking coffee outside the Four Seasons. I'm like, why am I heart beating? Because I thought I had somewhere to go.

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  Duh.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  I didn't know where to go.

• 22:56Joe Rogan?

  You just gave yourself anxiety for no reason?

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I always think I got somewhere to fucking go at 10:00 in the morning. That's why when my daughter gets on that bus to school at 7:15, I start blasting. Because then I know I ain't got nowhere to go. Like, you know, you make a list every day and you go, this is what I'm gonna do today. And then you fucking, you know, wake up and you look at that list after you smoke and you're like, that's a long drive up to New York City today. I ain't doing that podcast, you know?

• 23:24Speaker 01

  That's a fucking long drive up into that motherfucker.

• 23:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the driving in New York is not a joke. That's an endeavor.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:31Joe Rogan?

  You gotta, you gotta take a day. Like, that's your day. Your day is driving in and driving out. You're not going to the gym, you're not doing all that other stuff.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Me?

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm saying if you've got to drive into New Jersey, that's your day. It's not like, oh, I'll go there, that's at noon, I'll hit the gym at 2:30. Uh-uh. No, you won't, you'll be in traffic for three hours.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  For three hours.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  I always go to do that shit early and get it over with and, uh, like on days that I have to go to the city up north, I'll just take that as a day off. Like, I'll work that day before so I could go up there comfortably and not sweat it.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  But it's got, some days I get up and I'm like, I'm not going up there, I gotta work out today.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  Listen, this is one of the big things that Texas has, or Austin has in particular, over the East Coast, is the fucking traffic. The traffic here is a joke. They talk about traffic, it's adorable. You might be 10 extra minutes.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Whoop-de-doo.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  It's adorable. Occasionally, a car accident happens and there's a bunch of people stopped. That shit happens everywhere in the world. But for the most part, the East Coast is so thick with people. You don't realize it until you have to make that trip to New Jersey and back and forth. You know, when we do, uh, the UFC's, if we go into New Jersey, uh, to the UFC, then with the weigh-ins, then we have to go back to New York to play pool.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  At 6 o'clock, that's cool for anybody.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. It's crazy. Go to New York to eat and to play pool, and it's fucking, it's a madhouse.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Think about what it was like the last two weeks. Jim Florentine said he went into the city Saturday, it was three hours because of the Nick bullshit. They weren't even playing. They weren't even playing.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  People were so upset that Trump was gonna go to the NBA because if he's there, then they have all these crazy security protocols, it makes the traffic even worse.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  There was no parties, there was no nothing.

• 25:20Joe Rogan?

  You should stick to the UFC. They're gonna boo him everywhere else.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  Oh, they booed him to die. I didn't watch the whole game, I was out and about.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  I heard some people cheered. I heard it was like cheers and boos, but the problem is, if there's cheers and any boos, is, if there's like 50/50, like, that's, that's, don't, don't go to that spot. Go to the UFC. People say he got booed at the UFC. I've seen him at the UFC. Six times or something like that. I don't know how many times. Never get booed.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  They love him.

• 25:47Joe Rogan?

  He's never gotten booed. They fucking cheer. The people that say they're booing him, you're distorting reality. It's not true. They cheer him like he walks in there to the American badass song, especially if Kid Rock is with him and Dana White's behind him. And then sometimes Tucker Carlson was there too, back when they were close. It was like the conservative Avengers. It was like, this is ridiculous.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  He was the kiss of death last night. I bet against the Knicks last night. Me and Jamie, we were like, fuck that, getting two and a half? Why they only giving two and a half? They're up two schemes. What are you, a retard? Two and a half they were giving last night. Everybody and their mother, even fucking your daughter bet the Knicks last night, giving two and a half.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  Do you, um, bet sports all the time? How often you bet?

• 26:31Speaker 01

  This type of the year, I bet basketball because it's real.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  Do you use, uh, do you use an app? Like, what do you do?

• 26:37Speaker 01

  DraftKings.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  DraftKings? You do it on DraftKings?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Everything is on DraftKings.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Alright, you don't have a bookie?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  No, I enjoy, because DraftKings has so many fun, like, there's bookies out there, like, they just keep busting these mafia rings in Jersey and New York. Thirty-nine people had the big bust last year with the basketball coaches, that they put the cards up and you could see through the fucking cards on the table. It's, um, it's, gambling has grown to a fucking nightmare. We're gonna pay for this in five years, but when I went to college, after orientation, you walked out and there was credit card companies, Discover, Mastercard, Visa, and they give you a credit card for being a student. For two fifty, automatic, right there. And now, when you go to those orientation days, DraftKings is there.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  You know, the other ones, FanDuel's there, and I'm not putting them down. I love DraftKings. But you're copping these kids, these kids don't have enough problems with fucking student loans.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Now I'm gonna put a fucking thing, more people are gambling more than ever.

• 27:36Joe Rogan?

  Than ever.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Than ever.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  In Australia too.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  My buddy McCann, you know James McCann?

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, ever.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  He was talking about how crazy it is in Australia. Yeah, it's uh, it's in, what is the, what's the odds on the Ilya Toporia, Justin Gagey fight at the White House?

• 27:52Speaker 01

  To pick him?

• 27:53Joe Rogan?

  Is it? No. No, Toporia has to be a huge favorite. I guarantee Toporia's two to one. Four to one. Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Four to one's crazy. Two to one. If you just think about what he's done in his last three fights, he's had the most legendary run in MMA championship history in his last three fights. He knocked out three all-time greats. Knocks out Alexander Volkanovski, knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Olivera. Three in a row. Like, anybody who could do that, you go, "Well, I'm not fucking betting anything against that guy." But, Justin Gagey's a tough character, son.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  So if I bet 25 bucks on Gagey, I win?

• 28:40Speaker 04

  A hundred.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  A hundred. Four to one odds.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, four to one, yeah. Um, which is, uh, look, it's minus 426 for Toporia. They're like, four to one's not enough.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Caesar says 600.

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  Caesar says 600. Caesar's is smart.

• 28:56Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, man, don't think that Justin Gagey can't win. Like, anybody can lose in an MMA fight. People get hit. Like, in Ilya Toporia, one of his early fights, one of his, I think his first fight in the UFC at lightweight, he took it on short notice, and he fought this dude, um, Jai Herbert, who's a really tall, really good striker. And Jai Herbert caught him with a head kick in the first round. A switch kick to the dome that dropped him. It was perfect. But he recovered brilliant. He got a hold of him, took him to the ground, recovered, and then came back in devastating knockout in the second round. Like, he fucking puts people into orbit, man. His power is crazy.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  He's not a big guy either, man. Justin's a much bigger guy than him. But the way he knocks guys out, it's just dead.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that he-

• 29:47Joe Rogan?

  He knocks them out dead. But so does Gagey! People forget it. Gagey's a fucking- Warhammer dude, that guy loves battles.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, this is not, I don't think.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  It's a tough fight, man.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  This is a tough fucking fight. I could both, and this is this Sunday, right?

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  It's this Sunday. Gagey's bigger.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  You going?

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  So, fuck yeah, I'm going. So, Gagey's bigger. Gagey used to fight, um, at, um, what was it called? The IFL? Was it whatever the organization was before the, he came to the UFC? I think it was, it was before the PFL, it was like another one. But, what was it? What did he, what was the organization? You know, there's these feeder organizations, like the PFL. A lot of really good fighters that wind up becoming champions, star out there.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  Was that it? World Series of Fighting, that's right, that's what it was. And, I mean, he was fucking people up with leg kicks, but it was the way he was fighting, would just throw himself into chaos. Like, he, he didn't fight tactically at all back then.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, you ever see the Michael Johnson fight with him in the UFC?

• 30:52Speaker 01

  A long time, yeah, yeah.

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  It's his first fight in the UFC. It's one of the craziest fucking fights ever. Because he just fucking throws himself at Michael Johnson. And Michael Johnson throws himself right back. It was a, they got hurt. Both guys got cracked. It was a crazy fight. But eventually Justin got him. But it was the way he fought, you're like, good lord.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he fights every.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  Like a pit bull. Like a pit bull. Like, no concern for his safety. Just dive in. It was a fucking crazy fight. And look how Dustin is always just trying to kill you. He's always mov-, look at that, every shot, he's trying to fucking kill you. He's always moving forward, trying to smash you. And the thing is, he relishes this kind of combat so much, that in the beginning, he lost some fights that he could have won if he tempered it. And then he did. So, and then when he went on this like legendary run, started beating everybody, it's really because he controlled the violence a little bit more. He controlled the chaos. But it was still, like, very technical violence. It wasn't like he was brawling dumb.

• 31:56Joe Rogan?

  He was just forcing himself into chaos so much. He was throwing himself right into the fire, over and over and over again. This is a dangerous fucking guy. He's a dangerous fucking guy for anybody. I mean, he had hit Khabib, he hurt him with some calf kicks. He could do that too. He leg kicks you from inside the clinch. One of the things that he does really well is from like, he could get you with like a collar tie and he's leg kicking you. Like he gives him the finger and tells him to get up. I mean, Michael Johnson's getting battered. This is a tough fight for him. At this point, we're in round two. Look at that knee to the body. Just everything's trying to kill you. It's not like this tactical.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  Take a chance here, take a chance there. No, everything's take a chance. It's like from the very beginning of the fight. And this is how he fought. He eventually took him out. But it was crazy fight.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  He fights like I told you Hagler used to fight. They weren't thinking about brain damage.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Hagler, all those dudes, we're not thinking about that. We were talking about that with football before.

• 32:58Joe Rogan?

  You know what I just watched the other day?

• 33:00Speaker 01

  What?

• 33:01Joe Rogan?

  Mustafa Hamdi's show. Hagler versus Mustafa Hamdi's show.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Did they battle?

• 33:05Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, Hagler took him out. But it was just Hagler in his prime.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  He was beautiful there, bro. It was like fucking.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  So good. He was so good. And he was so good at switching stances, man. When no one was doing that back then. Hagler would fight southpaw, he would fight orthodox, he would fuck you up. You didn't know where it was coming from. And he could fight just as good southpaw as he could orthodox. It was amazing. It was an amazing fight to watch. Like, god, that guy was great. So disciplined.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, some good fights this week. I'm excited for the card. I thought it was Saturday.

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jamie posted up the Cyril Gahn, Alex Pereira fight is the closest fight on the card. In terms of odds. It's like even odds. And that's a, that's a.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Cyril Gahn's a tall order. That's a tall order for your first heavyweight fight in the UFC.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Caesar says that as a pick 'em.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  A pick 'em. Yeah, I would say it's a pick 'em. I would say it's a pick 'em. Um, Cyril Gahn is really good. And the thing about Cyril Gahn is the problems that he's had in fights or when guys take him down. When guys stand with him, he is very tricky. He's very slick, he's very technical, and he's, he's very light on his feet for a big guy. Like, he moves really well, like, one of the best movers in the heavyweight division for sure. He's, he's like, he dances on his feet. He also does a weird thing off his front leg. He throws a front kick when he's standing sideways, like in a bladed stance like this, and he picks it up and twists it into your stomach. Bang, like that. It's weird, like-

• 34:38Speaker 01

  It works.

• 34:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, it's a kick. I mean, it's called a twisting kick.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Twisting kick.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  It's just you don't ever see people throwing that kick from the front leg like he does. Like, he does a lot of, he does a lot of weird shit that you have to get used to. Like, that Tom Aspinall fight, man, he was, he was scoring very well on the feet. I know it got stopped because of the eye pokes, but before the eye pokes, Cyril Gahn was doing very well on the feet against Aspinall. And Aspinall's a big, fast heavyweight. It's gonna be interesting, 'cause I don't, I don't, you know, know if Pereira is gonna have an issue with the movement, you know, if he's gonna be able to shut that movement down, and I, I don't know if Cyril Gahn is gonna be able to, like, if he's gonna want exchange with him. He might feel that power and say, "I'm just gonna fight on the outside." 'Cause Pereira's got that. You make one mistake, power.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  He looks good at heavyweight. He looks like he gained the weight. He looks yoked.

• 35:31Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's huge.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  He looks really huge.

• 35:33Joe Rogan?

  And on top of that, no dieting. So, no depleting of his body at all. You're gonna have a guy competing for the first time where he's never had to cut weight. That's huge. That's a giant advantage. Not having to cut weight is like they let you take steroids. You can't, you don't have to cut weight, no cutting weight at all. If they changed weight cutting, if they cut all weight cutting out of MMA, you'd have like 20% better performances. People'd be fighting so much better. Because they would, they would feel so much healthier. They would be so much more durable. There wouldn't be as many like one-shot knockouts where you're like, whoa, that got him? Because a lot of these guys, like their brain is still dehydrated when they're in there fighting.

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  It's only 24 hours after they rehydrate. That's not enough time to get to the brain.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  I would go to weigh-ins with you and these guys would come in like, they're looking like they had cancer.

• 36:24Joe Rogan?

  They looked dead. Yeah.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  I would see them and then they would IV in the back. Then I think they cut out IVs afterward.

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  Yep, they cut out IVs.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  I remember being there with you and looking at these guys coming in.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  They were dying.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  They looked like they were on that fucking GLP for 10 years, like fucking Sharon Osbourne's daughter. I mean, they were looking fucked up, Jack.

• 36:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they looked dead. Some guys looked real. You remember when Anderson Silva fought Travis Luder? Do you remember that fight?

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, the jiu-jitsu guy from Texas?

• 36:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:49Joe Rogan?

  He, that was the worst I ever saw anybody at a weigh-in.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  He looked really fucking skinny.

• 36:54Joe Rogan?

  And again, this was not the ceremonial weigh-in like we have now. This was like the actual weigh-in, see if you can make the weight. And Travis couldn't walk. He was shuffling. He couldn't pick his legs up. His lips were cracked, like his body. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. I buy one, The Farmer's Dog.

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• 39:24Speaker 01

  That's not gonna be good for you like that. And then to pick it back up and then go throw rounds.

• 39:27Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  Throw punches at 8 o'clock the next night.

• 39:30Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, I mean, he was so depleted, but he got a hold of Anderson the first round and took him down. And that's what he wanted to do.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  He still teaches jiu-jitsu in Texas?

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  He starts the school?

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  He's Kevin Holland's coach.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Oh shit, is he?

• 39:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Travis is a bad motherfucker dude.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Travis was a bad motherfucker.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  He was, when guys rolled with him on the Ultimate Fighter, you know, one of, um, one of the best compliments, one of the guys said, he goes, dude, he goes, I've rolled with only a couple of guys like that. It's like him and Ricardo Laborio. I go, really? I go, that guy feels like Ricardo Laborio? He's that level? He goes, tshhh. He's like, dude, he was running through people. Just running through people on the ground. Travis was a beast. He was one of the first, like, truly elite Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts in like the modern era, like the Anderson Silva era. Whereas when he got guys to the ground, you were in trouble. You were in real trouble. There's a few guys, Charles Olivera is the big one. Charles Olivera puts people in position that are like, oh no, what have I done? Like, you think you're gonna be comfortable, like, in his guard? Like, bitch,

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  you're never gonna be comfortable on the ground with Olivera. Olivera is just so dangerous everywhere.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  That's 20 years of Jiu-Jitsu, correct?

• 40:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  25 years. They've been doing it since they were a kid.

• 40:36Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  So it's like, gus would stand up.

• 40:38Joe Rogan?

  Great camp. He's from that shoot the box camp. I mean, that camp produced Anderson Silva. Um, uh, Marie, um, Ninja, uh, Shogun, like, who else?

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Noguera?

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  Pele, Pele, the, one of the original MMA fighters, back in the bare knuckle days. He was the, the top dude in the original, in the original days. No, Noguera's not from Shootbox. Noguera is a, uh, Carlson Gracie guy. Those, was he, is he Carlson Gracie, right? No.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Carlson's in Chicago?

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  No, Noguera wasn't Carlson Gracie. Noguera was, um, I don't want to get that wrong. Who was Noguera's trainer? Minotaro Noguera, his original jiu-jitsu coach.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  His fucking brother, probably.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  No, both of them were elite.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Just teasing you.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  They were twins.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  They were twins, right?

• 41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were twins, they were both elite. They were both like world-class fighters in Pride.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  Does it say his jiu-jitsu coach?

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  Minotaro was the first, like, he was the first guy that was like finishing elite guys off of his back in Pride. Like, he was tapping to, like, when he was the champion in Pride, like, you remember when he beat Bob Sapp?

• 41:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  Bob Sapp was three hundred and fifty pounds with abs. And the, the fight was crazy. He picks Minotaro up and spikes him on his head in the beginning of the fight. Fucked his neck up for years. Like, his neck was fucked up after that fight and still survived and eventually caught Bob Sapp in an arm bar. But it was bananas.

• 42:17Joe Rogan?

  Omri Batech, okay, yeah, there you go. Omri Batech is another guy who fought early in the UFC.

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  So that's his coach for one, where did he get his black belt? Just see where he got his black belt from.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Just ask the question, who gave Minotaro his black belt?

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh, let me just say, okay, Ricardo de la de la Hiva. That's his primary instructor.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  There you go. Okay. Yeah, he was, uh, he was, he was-

• 43:02Speaker 01

  He invented the de la Hiva hook.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  Probably. There's a bunch of moves that are attributed to guys that it's not quite sure whether or not they invented it, but they were really good at it, you know?

• 43:14Speaker 01

  How much fun is that getting somebody de la Hiva and faking them down?

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  I can't finish the leg lock. I never could. I'm fucking terrible. I can't get my arms around it. I'm fucking, my shoulders are fucked up.

• 43:25Joe Rogan?

  Leg locks are scary.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't like all of that shit.

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  You fuck them up, you know, you twist the wrong way, you turn the wrong way, you hear things pop. Eee, scary.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  You still training? With private? No more?

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't, over a year. I haven't done any rolling. I was, for a while. I've, I got a knee problem. It's much better now. I've been really working on it over the last six months, but it kept swelling after a while. The, the thing is, it would get better and I'd, it would feel pretty good, and then I'd hurt it again. And usually, I hurt it like a year ago hunting. I twisted it hunting. And then, um, I've, I've also hurt it like hitting the bag too. Like sometimes I just start wailing on the bag.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  And you forget. You forget.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  And it's just the next day it's sore as fuck. It's like, I don't have meniscus on one part of my knee, so I have to make sure that it doesn't get arthritic. You know what I mean? Because, like, I don't have to tell you. Like, once your knee gets bad, it's a real problem.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  It's a problem.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  And so you gotta like, walk that edge between, when you don't have cartilage or you don't have, um, meniscus and your cartilage is getting bone on bone like that, like, you gotta be careful. You gotta be careful. They're getting real close to fixing shit. Real close. They're injecting like different kinds of gels in people's knees now that re- replace the meniscus. And they're also doing some new stem cell therapy where they go into the bone itself and it regenerates cartilage.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  That might be better, but that gel, they always work you with that gel.

• 44:49Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a new one, Joey. It's a, it's like a, it's, they call it a biological matrix.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  You need to fucking get like a, you need to get like, uh, insurance approval and all that. Yeah, I did it. That's just all those things. It's like when you see an ad for somebody. Do you have problems sleeping? Buy this mouthpiece for twenty nine ninety nine.

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you got what they have now because this is just released in Germany. This is, this is brand new.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  But this gel, like I'm just saying to you, the gel, the cortisol, I have friends with knee problems. And they tell me what they go through and they go to different doctors. And it's the same fucking, we got cortisol for you. We got the gel. We're not gonna do the PRP and we don't do stem cell. So you, Joe, regular, you don't do no reading. This is what happened to me with the fucking why I did this surgery in the first place. You had moved here and I didn't know about ways too well. If not, I wouldn't have never cut this knee the first time. Never, never. I didn't read up on it because when my wife was pregnant, I read up on all that shit. And I was, I didn't wanna have the baby no more.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Cause it said when you're over forty three, you'll die if you're giving birth, like if you're not ready when you get older as a woman. You know, now women are having kids at fifties and fucking fifty fives. But a woman has to be, she has like a short window. And they have a lot of things that could go wrong with the pregnancy. When I read that, I got nervous for my wife. I'm like, she's gonna die on the fucking table. And I'm stuck raising a girl. I don't know if I can raise a girl. You know, what am I gonna do here? So I didn't really, I researched it a little bit. After I got the knee, after I went and I saw the fucking, the chisel and the fucking mallet on the table. I go, we gotta look into this when I get out of here. Like this is fucking insane. I would have never done the redo knee.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  I would have waited, shot it with stem cell, BPC'd it. At that time, I was still a little fearful of needles. So I was like, ah, BPC them, everything is you gotta shoot it.

• 46:48Joe Rogan?

  You're fearful of needles, but not about knee replacement. That's hilarious.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  No, bro, now I'm fine. Now it took, it took four stays in the hospital last year to fucking like go. One day they had to come in and take blood out of me every twenty minutes for three hours.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 47:03Speaker 01

  It's that type of test, they shoot you with something to see how you react to it.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  And, dog, I didn't faint one time. I don't faint no more. Unless, like, last time I weighs too well. I went in there hungover on those tequilas from the mothership, drinking that round white juice and shit. I went in there with no breakfast, like, we need to take blood out within minutes. I'm pale, I'm sweating profusely, they gotta put ice on my back and on my neck and shit. And when I did, uh, when they turned the switch off on your leg, what's that? When you do that little, before surgery, when I first hurt the knee, they said, "We're not gonna give you pain medication, but if you're really hurting that bad, come on down here and we'll give you a nerve block."

• 47:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they give you a nerve block?

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Joe Rogan, holy shit.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  Who did that? Where'd they do that?

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Because the place where I went for surgery the first time, they're shit.

• 47:50Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  This place is specialized in all that stuff. So they have their own therapy, they have their own, uh, like, the surgeons, and then they have a pain department. But they talk to you. And they go, "Listen, you could take this. You want it, we'll give it to you. But let's do this, let's try it with this." They don't want you, you know, and I understand that. People lose their minds on those fucking things. So I did the nerve block first, Joe. Holy fuck. Holy fuck. And when I went to the doctor about a month ago, the girl was like, "I was there that day." I go, "When I fainted?" She goes, "You didn't faint, but you sure came close." She goes, "You lost all the color in your face. It's crazy, Joey." Had to drink water. And then the epidural block, you ever do one of those?

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  No. Well, no, I did when I had my knee surgery.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they always knee surgery you? I, I thought they put you out for those.

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  They did, most of the time. But my first ACL, I asked if I could watch. And, uh, he said, "You don't wanna watch it." I go, "No, I do. I don't wanna, I only wanna get this done once. I wanna see it. Can I watch it?"

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Where'd you see it? They shot it in the knee on your spine?

• 48:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, they shot it in my spine.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  And so it, you don't feel anything in your legs. And I watched them open my knee up and put it together again.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Fuck you, Joe.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  The epidural block is one of the worst.

• 49:09Joe Rogan?

  I wanted to see, I'm like, I don't wanna do this once. I, I didn't know that I was gonna have another ACL surgery eight years later.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  So you didn't get put out for your surgery?

• 49:16Joe Rogan?

  No, not the first one. The second one I did.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  That's insane, Joe. That's fucking insane. I love you, you're zombo and shit, but.

• 49:25Joe Rogan?

  I wanted to watch.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Nah, I wanna watch a lot of things.

• 49:27Joe Rogan?

  I wanna see what it looks like, cause it's kinda crazy. They're gonna take your knee, take a slice out of your patella tendon along with a chunk of bone, and a chunk of bone for your kneecap, and then they screw it back in place. Like, this is crazy. I wanna watch. Held up. Still good. The real problem was the meniscus, so they didn't even take the meniscus out then. They just stitched it up. There was a tear in the meniscus, but it wasn't too bad, and he thought it could heal. You know, cause I was in my twenties. I was like twenty-three, I think. Twenty-two. Um, and then, uh, over time, it just got wore out. The, the, that tear became a bucket handle tear. And then it would lock, so it would pull, the meniscus would pull up and like lock in place.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  It was fucking insanely painful. And I was like, this keeps happening. It happened a couple of times. It was like, it happened in jujitsu class, and Eddie Bravo had to take me to the doctor. So Eddie Bravo had to drive my NSX. We drove straight to the doctor, and, you know, they tell me I need to get my meniscus removed. I'm like, okay. And then he told me I need to stop doing martial arts. I was like, okay, that's cute.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  That's the first thing they'll tell you.

• 50:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You gotta stop doing martial arts.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  They blame everything. No martial arts, no this, no that.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  Thirty years later, fuck you.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Can we get one of those Zins?

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  The medium ones, what are these?

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  These are Alps. Those are, that's Tucker Carlson's one. It's, uh, those are good. It's, uh, six, six milligrams. These are threes. This is athletic nicotine. That's threes. I like those. They don't make you jittery.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Those, those take a hell of a hit. Tucker likes them strong.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  I like them, but they fucking, I always swallow them by mistake. Fucking, next thing I'm shitting pouches and shit. I had a pouch, they have focus ones?

• 51:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's uh, that's these ultras.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do the ultras.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  They don't have them in this room anymore.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  I was doing those after I had the surgery.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  Those are great.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are pretty good.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of really good things for your focus. People that think it's all bullshit, you know, like that nootropics are bullshit. And you're allowed to think whatever you want. But trust me, from somebody who uses uses his brain for a living, there's a difference between taking nootropics and not taking them. It's not gonna make you smarter, but it'll make your brain function at a better level. There's a bunch of shit that works like that, like, you know, those um, those ketone drinks, like Ketone IQ. That helps a lot.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, your brain uses ketones. Your brain uses ketones for focus. That's why people that take ketogenic diets and go on carnivore diet, they say it gives them like more mental clarity. You have more, more focus. It's fact. You're like, I feel different when I'm eating like clean. If I'm eating like carnivore, just eggs and steak, my brain works better, hundred percent. It's just not processing the carbs and all the fog that comes with that. Not that carbs are bad for you. But when you um, take this stuff, this stuff is the shit. This is my friend Derek's Gorilla Mind. This is a nootropic drink.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  Like coffee?

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  It's like an energy drink, no. No, it's got some caffeine in, it's got a good amount of caffeine, but it's got a bunch of nootropics. So there's a bunch of like brain vitamins in there.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  You know anything about me?

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not selling this, this is uh, my friend's.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  You know, I'm not a, you know that I have a great memory of dates and I can take you to different situations.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Stories.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  I don't know what happened the last three years.

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  How come?

• 52:39Speaker 01

  If I talk to you on a Monday, which I usually do. You call me Mondays on the way home at six. Whatever we talked about by Thursday, I don't remember. Like you'll say, call me back when you find out. I fucking forget now. Like just little things.

• 52:56Joe Rogan?

  This is recent, this is the last few years?

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Last few years, I could see. You know, I've, you know, you're sixty, a lot of shit changes. You, you, you know, it's really weird, Joe, I need eight now. I need eight. Sorry. I need eight.

• 53:10Joe Rogan?

  Eight what?

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Hours of sleep. Eight, solid. I got the whoop. I need it.

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  Makes a difference.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Six and a half, don't cut it. Done. Done. I need eight now. And don't get me started on an hour nap, an hour fifteen nap at two or three o'clock in the afternoon. If I get up in the morning, I get up at six. So I put her on the bus, I start smoking weed at nine, I'm at a gym, I'm doing something. Boxing, PT, you know? So by fucking two o'clock, dog, there's days I walk in, there ain't no stopping, there ain't no pissing. I go right to the bed, put the mask on and go right to sleep. Just like that. I mean, there's no thought, there's no stop it, get, what is that, Monopoly, stop it, go and get two hundred? There ain't none of that. I come in, I drop my bag, I pee and I walk right upstairs, right to the bed. I move the cat over, get the fuck over.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  And I fucking put that mask on.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Does the cat cuddle with you while you're sleeping?

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Oh, please. And he goes under the blanket, she goes under the blanket with me too, so it's perfect.

• 54:09Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  But, dog, it's not, no more. Like, I'm not fly out early no more. Fuck you.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you need, you need a solid amount of sleep. As you get older, it's even more important. You know what else is really important? Creatine.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  I take ten milligrams twice a day.

• 54:25Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Beautiful.

• 54:27Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. That's phenomenal for your memory. And that's a really good nootropic as well.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  I don't like the gummies. I never got, you had some gummies on here?

• 54:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are good. I like them.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  My neighbor gave them to me that you had them.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  I prefer to just open it up and pour it in my mouth and then drink water.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too. I like the powder too.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I put like the ten milligrams in my mouth and I just drink water.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  You don't put it on your food, do you?

• 54:47Joe Rogan?

  No. No, I just drink it.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  I put it in the smoothie from time to time. I like the raspberries with coconut water.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  Make, the best way to make sure that I'm getting all ten milligrams is to just pour it in my mouth and then drink water with it. Because otherwise, it's in the glass, you gotta rinse the glass and get more of it in. You know, you're giving yourself an exact dose. Just put it in your mouth, dry scoop it. So I just dry scoop it in my mouth and pour the water in there. That's how I do it most of the time. What the gummies are really good for is if you forget and they're just laying around, you just eat a couple of gummies. You know.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  I don't know how many milligrams are in those, right?

• 55:21Joe Rogan?

  It says it on them. I think two gummies is five milligrams. I think that's what it is.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  I also got turned on to a creatine company that has a creatine precursor.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Creatine, a precursor?

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Creatine precursor.

• 55:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what that is.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Your own body creates creatine.

• 55:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  On its own. This helps.

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  The body, I think it's called a precursor. Don't fuck.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Ain't gonna say. Just write off what the fuck it is. You know what I'm saying? I know that, cause I'm saying it wrong, like Voltron. I don't fucking know, guys.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure there's something. I mean, there's always a bunch. I mean, there's. If you think about how many supplements are out there, like, good lord. There's so many supplements and not all of them are good, but a lot of them are really good. Here's another one that's really good for working out, beta alanine. You ever take that?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:06Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal. Phenomenal.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Look, I take everything else.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  Makes you tingle, though. Makes your skin like, almost like itch.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  You ever take iodine?

• 56:14Joe Rogan?

  No, iodine.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like you, there's a pill or something, you take iodine to help you.

• 56:18Joe Rogan?

  Supposed to do that if you get radiation poisoning.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Listen, when the first piss test came out, they said you would take iodine. So again.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  Did you put Clorox in your dick?

• 56:27Speaker 01

  I put Clorox in my dick afterward because the iodine obviously didn't fucking work, okay?

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine when they ran your piss through the fucking test machine, they'd be like, what? What is, what is this?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Do you understand?

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  This isn't piss.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Do you understand, like, piss times, like, every morning I go out and take my cup of coffee and I sit outside. I think, uh, you know, the whole fucking bullshit story. And then it takes me somewhere, like after the second cup of coffee and one of these zins and a bong hit. Your mind goes somewhere and I think of chunks of my life. And I go, what the fuck was that? Like, that was Joe. That was insanity. What about every time he used to come to my house to do the checkup? I never let him in. He came like eleven times in two years. I never let him in my house. He wouldn't know I was in the house. He would put the sheriffs to come and sit outside my house for two hours, then they would leave. They're like, what I got there? He's not home.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  I never let him in my house. I tortured that guy.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  He could have sent me to prison. I still would have been in prison. But it was such a like, first it was the iodine. And then you fucking, you know, you're supposed to take twenty milligrams.

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  I mean, two hundred, whatever. I don't know. And my skin is burning. I'm fucking red in the face. I got it cheese. So I stopped with the iodine. I still came back positive. Then I went on the fucking, uh, white vinegar.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  White vinegar?

• 57:51Speaker 01

  White vinegar with a fucking bottle of Gatorade on a Monday morning. Not a little vinegar, not red wine vinegar. The real vinegar that you clean your asshole with. Douchebags and all that shit. Vinegar cleans out. That's what women wash their monkey with vinegar. Because it takes all the fucking cat piss out of that. All the shit they got in there.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  So, they said, drink vinegar every Monday morning, bro. And it's like a process. Like, you would get high Friday and you would hope to beat it by Sunday. But you knew you weren't gonna beat it. And they're gonna call you Monday. And it was like, your color is yellow, right? Like, if they say yellow, you gotta come in. So you wait till one o'clock and you're like, alright. You had to call in and all of a sudden you're today, Monday, Tuesday, the ninth of June, the colors are purple. And you're like, yellow. God damn. Now I gotta, now I gotta figure out, I got five hours. The place closes at six, so I gotta figure out how to stop this cocaine from coming up. So then we started taking a Serto.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  What's Serto?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Serto is what you put in like Jell-O. It's that thing that makes the Jell-O jiggle or some shit like.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  Fuck is Serto?

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Now, there was, there was no internet these days.

• 59:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  These are shit.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  What is that? A brand of liquid fruit pectin, most commonly used in the kitchen as a thickening agent for homemade jams and jellies. However, is also widely known as an internet folk remedy. People use in attempt to mask drug metabolites in urine.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  I told you.

• 59:25Joe Rogan?

  It's a folk remedy.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  It's fucking bullshit.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  Does it work?

• 59:28Speaker 01

  No, that's why.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out if it works. Uh, the myth. Many online forums suggest mixing Serto with a large sports drink like Gatorade and drinking it a few hours before a drug urine test. The theory claims the fiber traps toxins in your digestive tract. Reality, health professionals and medical studies show no scientific evidence that fruit pectin can reliably clear drugs or toxins from your urine, while fiber works in the gut has no effect on what your kidneys filter into your urine. This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week, there's some new wellness hack that people swear by, and after a while, you start thinking, why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies? That's why Armra colostrum caught my attention.

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

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• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  But again, you get your advice from a guy who's done 30 fucking years. Then you forget, he's been doing 30 years because he made mistakes.

• 1:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  Not because he's a fucking genius about Serto.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  You know, and then we went from Serto, and then one day I was sweating.

• 1:00:49Joe Rogan?

  Does anything work?

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Does anything work?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  No, cranberry juice.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  What about that stuff that they used to sell? Remember they used to sell stuff?

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  This is 90 fucking, this is 89. They didn't sell nothing.

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  No? But you remember, there was some stuff that you could buy.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  And shake it in or something? Yeah, no, no, you're saying, and you could buy piss now, now it's completely different.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  You could buy piss?

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could buy piss online. Just get that, uh, whatever, that dirty, that dirty fucking, uh, XPT, whatever you go on and you could search hidden shit all over the world.

• 1:01:17Joe Rogan?

  So you just gotta get a rubber dick and take that piss and...

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Dog, I had a guy who made a rubber dick. Normal let could not start snorting coke, so he made a, a contraption where he filled up his son's piss in a hot water bottle and did the same thing with the douche. And he took the douche on the bottom, he scotch taped it to his dick and he would piss and squeeze his chest.

• 1:01:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  And then one day the thing blew up. And he was a bank robber, they sent him to jail for thirty fucking years.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Wanna hear the craziest steroid evasion story that I ever heard from piss? There was a guy who was fighting and he knew he was gonna get piss tested and he was just juiced to the tits. So, the legend is that they inserted clean urine into his bladder through injection. So he injected clean urine into his bladder with a needle. Whether or not that's true, I have no idea, but this is what everybody, this is like early days of the UFC. Like when they first started drug testing people.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Would you think about-

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't even think it was in the UFC that he did this, I think it was in another organization, but I don't know if it's true.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  Think about what's going on the other side of this. Your addiction is that high.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, these guys, when they're that juiced up, when they're that juiced up, they're not getting off of it.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause if they get off it, they'll have no muscle.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  I get it, I understand. So, you understand the extremes that people do?

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Could you ever shoot fucking fake piss? Like Joey, go piss in the fucking thing, I'm gonna shoot Joey's piss.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  A guy willing to do that and trusting that guy was finding your bladder. He could shoot piss into your liver, like who, who knows what this guy even understands anatomy?

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  But these are the levels that you do. So here I am, shirt don't work, fucking nothing works, and one day I'm at a pool. And I'm like, oh shit, when you piss in the pool. The pool cleaner cleaned all this, if not the pool would be green the next day.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  So this is your logic?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  So I went, I took the kids, I took one of those cubes first.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Where the crumbs?

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Smashed it up. And then I put it on my outside of a dick because I'm uncircumcised, so I would pull the skin back. And that would fall into the fucking piss and then, so he told me once, he goes, something happened last time. You fucked up the machine or something like that, right?

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  Women would insert condoms filled with someone else's urine inside themselves, he said. Some athletes would inject urine into their bladders using a catheter. Oh god, they did do that. So that's real. Oh, so maybe that's how he did it. Maybe they used a catheter. And that's how they put the fake.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  But then there's the wizardator.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was the rubber dick.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  That's uh.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  But wasn't there some stuff that you could buy that you would get at like a head shop? And it supposedly detoxed you?

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  This is eighty-nine.

• 1:03:59Joe Rogan?

  But does that stuff work?

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  Nothing's real that's ever happened.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I always assumed that it wasn't real. I was like, you're selling this at a head shop?

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Stuff from the nineties, these are some of the products.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  But the killer was when I used Drano.

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, so this is all bullshit?

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Joe Rogan?

  They just rob people?

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just rob people.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  Fetish urine. Look at that, it says, look at that's labels. Fetish urine? What the fuck does that mean?

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  It's probably a way to sell it because you have to say what, you know.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  So that's piss?

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Not for human consumption or something.

• 1:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so that's you're buying piss? Oh, that's an actual bag of piss on the right? Oh, good lord.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  This one calls it tinkle.

• 1:04:34Joe Rogan?

  It's fetish urine. So if you just like want someone to piss on you, but no one's willing.

• 1:04:40Joe Rogan?

  You ever told that story about the guy with the gay club, the guy at the bathtub that wanted to piss on him?

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Everybody was pissing on him in the tub? And then that party shamer took me to in that hotel next to the Comedy Store and they were getting pissed on in there, the women. And then I wake up Saturday, I'm feeling good about myself, and I'm on Twitter and I see Bonnie Blue. She had a, that chick is fucking, she got pissed on. Had a baby shower in her ass, people were pissing their pussy in her ass, and I'm like, somebody's got to stop that woman.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  She's the least of her problems.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  Oh my god, a fucking baby shower? But I used the drain, although that was the best because that destroyed the machine. But, but the truth of the matter is.

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  When he said something happened last time?

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Well, this is what happened. I put the drainer on my dick. And I walked up to the counter and I put it on the desk and he asked you questions. How's it been? And I'm looking at the thing and it's starting to foam.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  And it's coming out of the bag.

• 1:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Tish washer.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  And I'm looking at this thing going, this motherfucker. And what he did was he just picked it up and threw it in the bag, like when they pick it up and test it. Sometimes you leave the cop top off. That was an old trick. You leave the top off and then it spilled. So that buys you one extra week, but the time with the drainer, it started like. It was like shaking at the thing, like foam was coming out of the fucking sides. And I locked it up. Good. That's what happened. There was no oxygen. That motherfucker was like, you know, boom. So I put it in the fucking thing. And he called me a few days later. He's like, listen, I wrote up a thing. I'm taking you to court because you broke the machine. This cannot continue.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  This can't continue.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  This can't continue. This is like a fucking cat and mouse game. What did you put in your body? What happened?

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  What the fuck is going on, Jose?

• 1:06:31Joe Rogan?

  They say, hey, your machine sucks. Your machine broke. That's nothing to do with me.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  No, and then they put me on like this hold. They were like, we're not even gonna piss you on what the, we're done. We can't take this mental fucking.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  So this is when you're in the probation department. Now they're gonna throw me back in community corrections. Cause they'll put you in for 90 days and all that. I met this fucking guy.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  For three months, we spoke like nothing, like gentlemen. I would talk to him, saw him once a week. And one day I said, what do you do? And he goes, I'm a district attorney in Boulder, Bill Wise. I need a beef. I need a problem. I'm on this probation. They won't leave me alone. What do I do to get off? He goes, just have your attorney drop a statement and I'll sign it and get you all probation. And that was it. Just a guy I met on the street, Bill Wise. And then he got fired after the JonBenet Ramsey thing. He was there during the whole JonBenet Ramsey thing and everybody got fucking fired, I guess. I don't know. Bill Wise was a great dude, man. He was good to me. And I told him, we asked him what I did. I told him the truth. And he goes, did you learn from the mistake? Yeah. I'm here working, ain't I?

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  He goes, okay, pass it over and I'll sign it. I'm like, oh my God, how fucking lucky am I? I'm done. I'm done. I was done.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  Started in eighty seven, it was all the way to ninety one. For a year, I was fucking them up with the Pete thing. Then they put me back in the ass butt in the halfway house. And that was even worse. I was out of control in there. Out of, there was freaks in there, there's fucking everything in there. Freaky girls. I was stealing the air conditioner out of the conference room. Put it in my room, they couldn't heal, they couldn't handle me there either. They were like, Doug, you're gonna just go home. We're not gonna fuck with you no more. And that's what you do, you do, just wear somebody rag and they'll let you go. Eventually they'll just say, you know what, man? It ain't worth it, you're never gonna stop. You're never gonna stop. And then a year later, I had like an affair with the, one time I had an affair with like the chick that worked in that office. She's the one that had the one leg.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  And I delivered Chinese food to her.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  It never stopped. And you think of those chunks in your life and go, what the fuck was going on?

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you were out of control.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Like, it's thirty one years and I still won't get back to Boulder because of the shame I endured. Seriously, like I woke up and everybody goes, why don't you go back to Boulder? Because I'm ashamed that that was such a beautiful city. And I treated it like it was Newark.

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Like I did what I wanted. I would go to Kmart, hang out outside a fucking, the, the lawnmower department. And people would come out with new lawnmowers and the receipt would fly off. I'd get that receipt, go to Longmont. And get that lawnmower for four hundred and walk it up and go, my mother bought me this, I don't want it no more. And I give them the receipt and they give me four hundred cash plus tax. Who does that? That fucking Toys R Us? I took that thing down by myself with those Jeffrey bucks. I took them down.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  What's a Jeffrey buck?

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  They, it's like when you bring a stolen computer in there and they give you, they won't give you cash, they'll give you Jeffrey bucks. So you have to spend it on, in the fucking store. You know how many, I had a million dollars in Jeffrey bucks at one time. I was buying bicycles and fucking.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  It's just, it just, I was an animal and I feel really guilty about it today. I'm thinking of booking the Fox Theatre in Boulder and doing like, cause Ladisio's opening back up, my Italian joint. So they called and they said, we're opening back up. And I'm like, I'm thinking of doing Boulder, like Fox Theatre. Just take my lumps, apologize, donate to something there and just call it a fucking night. Cause I still feel guilty, man. I'm old, but now I feel guilty about the damage. I put Boulder through fucking eight, I mean, I got chased through the mall by security and I'm throwing fucking CDs at them. I remember the Denver Broncos were playing Cleveland in eighty seven, those big playoff games. You remember those, Jamie? Talking at the mall one day and everybody's in the hallway looking at TVs. I'm like, who's minding the stores?

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  I went into Radio Shack and I popped out the fucking CD player, brand new one. And just put the quarter on it and walked out like, who does that, dog? That's animal and I'm ashamed to admit this shit, but it was like you said, when you first went to Boulder the first time, you're like, this must have been a fucking grocery store for Joey Diaz.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  That's exactly what I said when I went there.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  It was, it was a shame.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's so, they're so like peaceful and sweet.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  I brought chaos.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Chaos and it was too much. When I was in the prison, I brought chaos and I had my cell open. I did what I wanted. It was just too much and I, to this day, it's, New York, you could shit like that because that's what New York is about. I was a fucking piece of shit in New York too, but I don't feel guilty about that. I still walk around the city now.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  But so many pieces of shit in New York. You were unique in Boulder.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  It was unique, but in Boulder, they didn't have anything like me.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  They didn't, they had no idea.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  I was shaking down people. Some guy kept telling me, I saw you on A and E. Remember in the nineties and eighties, A and E was a mafia channel? They talked, Bill whatever, talked about A and E to call the own family. And this guy saw me one day, he's like, hey, you're the guy that's in the witness relocation plan. This is eighty fucking nine. This is way before Sammy and all those guys went in. This guy's telling me, you, you're a witness relocated guy, little Italian guy. I saw you on A and E. You're George the Animal something from Boston. I'm like, dog, that's not me. Stop saying that. I already got problems in fucking Boulder. You're telling people that I'm a witness relocated mafia guy. He pissed me off so much, finally I just kicked this fucking door down here like one of those Italian knickknack stores.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  I went in there and I said, dog, since I'm George the Animal, I am. You're gonna give me 200 a week? Bro, he started giving me 200 a week for like three weeks. Then he called a sit down with Antonio Ladisio. And Antonio was like, yeah, you gotta keep paying him. And the guy closed up shop like three weeks later and I never saw him again. Little Italian guy would always kick his shoes up. Dog, that's crazy shit. I was snorting coke at an ATM. In Boulder, they had a, next to Murphy's, there's an ATM you could walk into with the door? I would go in there with a case of beer at night and just put coke on the metal. People would come and go ahead.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Can't take this shit back, but it was done and I can't undo it, you know?

• 1:12:46Joe Rogan?

  But it bothers you now? Well, does it bother you or does it just make you confused? Like, how the fuck can I be?

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Nobody remember half this shit I'm saying. Nobody ever remember this shit. People on, they moved on with their life. They saw me now, they go, hey, that's the guy that kidnapped the guy. No, you know, my name was in the paper, my picture wasn't. They didn't have a picture of me, but everything else was in the fucking paper. It's a guilt, it's a weird fucking guilt, man, that I could have done so much better there. If I would have played, if I would have played my college right, I could have graduated college as a fucking astronaut. Cause they were gonna give me everything just cause I was Cuban. They had no Spanish people at that college. They had only like eight blacks that played football, so they would do anything to get Latino.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

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• 1:14:48Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  I would have been a fucking astronaut with a GED.

• 1:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but we would have missed this, Joey. Yeah, but it's good that it turned out this way.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Let me ask you something. If you wouldn't have gotten into this fucking thing, what would you, what would you think you'd be doing now?

• 1:15:18Joe Rogan?

  If I hadn't gotten into which one?

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  This thing that we're doing. Stand-up comedy. No. Stand-up comedy opened up everything.

• 1:15:23Joe Rogan?

  What would I be doing? Uh, I don't know, man. I don't know. I probably would have fought again.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Would you be a chef? Would you be? I mean, I could pin you as a chef. You love to cook.

• 1:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do love to cook.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  A chef, a mason?

• 1:15:35Joe Rogan?

  I would have found something that I enjoyed doing.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:15:38Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I would have figured it out.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  What's your second love?

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  The real problem would be if I had a kid real young. Also, if, you know, I know a bunch of my friends got married and had kids when they were like 22, 23. The problem, there's nothing wrong with that. But then that really limits your ability to just go for it. Cause you have mouths to feed. That's a different animal. You know, I, I think about the early days of stand-up when I was twenty-one. And how I had zero money. I mean, zero. I had zero money. I barely could eat. I remember. I had a, a big fucking jar of pennies and nickels, dimes and shit. And I remember rolling it all up. So I could go get a sandwich. Like, I had no money. And so I were, I could imagine like if I was trying to do that, I said, well, I'm just gonna live like this for a couple of years.

• 1:16:25Joe Rogan?

  And I think if I work hard enough, I could eventually start making money doing stand-up. And if I keep getting better, maybe I could be a professional. You know, that was the idea. It was never like have a career. But if I had a kid and I had a wife, there's no way I would have done it. There's no way I would have gotten a job. And that's where a lot of people get into. You know, or maybe you think it's gonna be a good investment to get a house. Which it is, but now you've got a mortgage. So you got a mortgage, you can't just fucking lose everything. I, I got my car repossessed. I was broke, man. I was broke.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Bro, I used to have to hide my car in a garage so they won't repossess it. Shit.

• 1:17:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it was a hundred percent check to check. Never had any money in the bank.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  I don't know if this ever happens to you, but it happens to me a lot now. And this is why I started this grateful shit because. Dead days, I pull up to my house. I don't know who lives there.

• 1:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I go, who lives here?

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  This is me?

• 1:17:24Joe Rogan?

  I know, it doesn't feel real.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  And then you ask, you say yourself, this is the most important thing for people listening. I want you to listen to this if you have a dream or a goal, you go. I got to pay for that with comedy. Which I always thought I was just gonna make a hundred dollars a set. And I would have been fine with that. If nobody would have ever bothered me in my life. I would have been fine with a hundred dollars a set. Getting in my beat-up car. And doing that. Getting your dick sucked, getting STDs. I would have done all that shit, you know? That's what it is. So when you look at your house, whether it costs forty thousand or eighty million and go, I paid for this doing fifteen dollar sets at the comedy store.

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  When you got into this, you just wanted to survive. Never mind the fucking house and cars and you never dreamed of this with stand up. I know I didn't.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  I never dreamed of this with anything.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  I ne- I never thought I would be a person who had money.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  I dreamed of being a funny person and to be funny enough to make a living and stand up.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  I never saw this part of it. So when I pull up in my house and I go, that was paid with twenty dollar sets. Twenty five dollars here, fifteen here, a hundred here. Yeah, that adds up. I'm not saying that, but that was paid by a dream.

• 1:18:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  Not a job, not something my family did. I was enforced into like raising lemons or whatever the fuck people do. They're decent, you know, grow lemons. You know, seriously, we were born into this. This is something we got into and said, I just wanna survive. I just wanna be able to eat three meals and get enough gas to go to the next thing. Forget money in the bank. Forget it. It's overrated. I would never even open up a bank. I didn't open up a bank account. I was forty years old. You know, I just ran on whatever the fuck. I would open and put twenty in and write a bounce check and fucking move on and pray that nobody caught you. You know, and people have no idea what that feeling is like. I get in my car and I go, holy shit. How many cars that I had that I had a, what are those bungee cords? Oh, yeah, a bungee cord.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  So I had a car when I first did comedy. I had to close the door with a bungee cord. Across my thing. It was like my combination seatbelt because if I took a fucking right turn, the door would open. You know, the door would just wing open. Now I'm in a car that's fucking I paid for with comedy, not drugs.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  A nice one.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Not anything. No, whether it's nice or not, you paid for this without nobody's interference with somebody, with something that somebody told you you'd never be good at. You'd never be good at. Somebody at least said it to you one time. Joe, come on, man.

• 1:19:58Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  You're never gonna, what do you think, you're gonna be on HBO with fucking Richard Pryor and George Carlin? You laugh, but you're like, that kinda right. They were fucking wrong. We didn't know it. We just didn't fucking know it.

• 1:20:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like telling someone, I'm gonna run 200 miles. They're like, no, you're not. You can't even run around the block. Like, no, one day I'm gonna run 200 miles. Like, no, you're not. You're not gonna run 200 miles. And most of the time, they're right. But if you're one of those motherfuckers. It's just like, it might take me 10 years to develop the endurance to run 200 miles. But I, I can't, if I start right now. Next month, I'm gonna be able to run five miles. You know, in six months, I'll be able to run 10 miles. And then I'm gonna keep going.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  But then you quit before the miracle happens. Somewhere along the line.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  How many people do we know that quit? How many people do we know that were really talented? That were really funny?

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  And just disappeared. And now you see them on Facebook.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't wanna shame anybody, but there's a few guys, and there's this one guy at the early days of the Comedy Store that I really tried to help. I connected him to my manager, and I was like, this guy's legit. I'm like, you're funny, dude. Like, you're, you're good. If you just fucking stay, and then had a bunch of personal problems, had a kid. I think he had some legal issues.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Damn. But that guy, I'm like, I'll tell you later who it was.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  No, I know who it was.

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. But I was like, that motherfucker was funny. He was funny.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  Way funnier than I was.

• 1:21:18Joe Rogan?

  He was great. And he was a fun dude to be around. He was a cool dude. I was like, he's gonna make it.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  There was people I looked at and I go, they're way funnier than I am. Holy fuck.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  We were both like the same age, too. We were like 27 when I first met him. And I connected with my manager, and he was like, nobody ever did anything like that for me before. Like, nobody tries to help me.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  Nobody.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  I was like, listen, man. You, you'll do it too now. You, you'll make it, and then you'll do it too. Well, I'll do it. It's, it, it helps, and it doesn't hurt. Doesn't hurt you at all to help somebody. But it helps them, and it helps you. Helps you feel better. You feel better that you're helping someone. It's like, it's a, I always say that being generous is kind of selfish, in a way, because you feel better, too. Like, when I'm generous, I feel better.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:22:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, we all do. And when we're kind, and when we try to help people, you feel better. It's good for you. It's good for everybody. And it's like, that's a message that the world needs to hear. Like, you could be good to people. And if you're good to people and you're nice to people, it'll help you too.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  It all comes together.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  If you find someone who's got something, and you're doing a thing, like you're doing a thing, and there's someone who's got a spark, there's a little talent, help though. Help them. Help those people. Give them advice, give them a push, let them open for you. You know, watch their set, give them some feedback, help them. Cause, you know.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  We're not in the comedy business, Joe. I've never been in the comedy business. I don't know what anybody's talking about. We're in the karma business.

• 1:22:50Joe Rogan?

  It's a little of that.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  I'm in the karma business. I am not in the karma. My, my goal every day is to make somebody's day. One person. A woman at a supermarket, looking fucking bad and a motherfucker today. Oh, stop it, Joey. Yeah. That. I just made her fucking day. Her husband sees her every day and never tells her she's banging. And I'm going up to this lady, I don't even know, and I'm like, damn, if I was 20 years younger. You know, and they're older than me, like they're 68, you know. That's my thing every day, just make somebody's day. One person. You can't save the world. But one day, a gesture, a handshake, a couple dollars is not gonna set you back.

• 1:23:26Joe Rogan?

  That is kinda what you, if you're, if you're doing a thing, or you're doing something that people enjoy. Like, think about, like, your sets. Like, think about how many people have come to see you and you changed their night. Gone to see you, like, how many nights at the store, people come in, you wanna see a show? Yeah, let's go see a show. You go on stage and rock that fucking place. They leave, they're holding their sign like, ah! And they go out and get something to eat afterwards. Everybody said that fucking thing about, ah! And they die, like, you change people's evenings. You change their feelings. You change the way they feel, and you feel good because of it. It's like this weird exchange. The reason why we love killing. Especially people that are really good at it. What they love is that they're making other people happy. That's really what you love.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  That's it, I love it.

• 1:24:10Joe Rogan?

  You're making other people happy. And you feel happy because you're making it, and when you don't, oh, you feel terrible.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  I feel, I do better when I look at the audience and they're laughing and I laugh with them. Once I laugh, you're done.

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  You're done.

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  Once I start laughing and giggling.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  If it's real.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Parties, oh, yeah.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  No, it's real.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  If you're having fun.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  It's real.

• 1:24:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  It's real. When I look out there and I see somebody that should not be laughing. And they're laughing at something blue as shit that I said and I don't expect them to laugh. That's what makes me laugh. Or the look on their face from the shock of you saying something. That's what always kicks me into this fucking mode, you know?

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's beautiful.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  The other thing I want to talk about in this podcast, because I was talking to a friend of mine in Jersey, stand up. And this is the other thing people don't see. We're very blessed because we went to LA, or wherever the fuck we went. And one day you're talking to somebody. And two weeks later. They're in the fucking, the biggest movie in Hollywood.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  And it's very hard to explain to people to sit, believe in yourself. And just keep showing up and that. This happens. But since people don't have, see that happen in their world. In Jersey, what do you see? A guy hits the lottery, he wins a million dollars, that's their way out of this life. For us, it was like. We had, we saw too many people make it. Like this. Like one day they had nothing and the next day they're on CBS, fucking doing a show for eight years. Whether it's Kevin, or whether it's fucking the other guy, the great guy from Pittsburgh. You've seen that, so it gives you hope. Now, at that situation, you could say, fuck that dude, he's a fucking loser.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  You could go, good for him. He just moved the notch up a little bit so I could get on that conveyor line. That's the beauty of it, not looking at that person going, fuck him. He sucks, he stole my joke in Pittsburgh. Who gives a fuck about Pittsburgh in eighty nine? Guy's on TV now. You know, whatever he is, be happy. Because you're next. You know him, you fucking do sets with him.

• 1:26:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  You're there in the rotation with him at the story night.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it can happen for you too.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  It happens. So once you see it, you go, oh shit, okay. Now I know what I need to do.

• 1:26:23Joe Rogan?

  That's if you're real.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  That's if you're real. I need to get off coke. I need to cut this shit out. I need to do this, this and this, just to get me closer to that. Because I see it too much. I see people living in an apartment with eight people and next thing you know, they got a house in Beverly Hills. Most people don't see that.

• 1:26:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  So it's tough to explain to them. What they're, because everybody thinks you're gonna hit the lottery and your life's gonna change. Boy, are they mistaken. Everybody thinks ten million dollars is gonna change their life and make them a better person. It's not. It's not. We think it's gonna, like when you were broke all those years. You used to say, I can't wait to have money. But you never said, I can't wait to have money for what?

• 1:27:02Joe Rogan?

  I never thought I would have money.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Me neither.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  I, but I never said, I can't wait to have money. My thought was, I wanna like make a living. That's it.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  That's it. That's why I was.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Even when I first started with stand up, like it was just to make a living. It was just doing this, I, I was a fucking loser in like regular society. I was good at kicking people. I was a loser in regular society. I was like, I, I didn't graduate college. I barely got out of high school. I wasn't paying attention. I wa, I didn't care about school. All I cared about was whatever I cared about, whether it was drawing or whether it was martial arts. Those are the things that I cared about. That's it. So I always felt like I just need to find a way to live. Because like, I'm never gonna be a successful person. I had like resigned myself to that. I had no aspirations.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  You.

• 1:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  I fucking.

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I know. You were way worse than me because you were in and out of jail.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  No, I had no family, felonies, no G D. I was set to fucking die.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  And that little fucking accident I had when I was twenty five years old. You know, it's like right now, you go and you, you look at the news and there's this big thing going on. By the ice facility by my house in Jersey. In Newark, they keep fucking banging and I'm sitting there going. Here's how stupid we are as Americans. I don't know if Americans know this shit. When you go to jail, you lose all your rights. You know why I don't go to jail, Joe? Because that sleep apnea machine doesn't mean nothing in jail.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  We don't care if you die.

• 1:28:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  You know what you have to do to get a sleep apnea machine in jail? You gotta go to the manufacturer, have to send it to you directly. Which we'll get into later, but my point is that fucking, what was my point? I don't even know, I got so high before.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Your point was that you never thought you were gonna go anywhere?

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I never thought I was gonna go anywhere.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Until comedy came around and you realized, oh, this is a thing that I can do.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  But all I wanted was four thousand a month. In my mind, I was such a loser that I said to myself, if I can make four thousand a month, I'm a millionaire. And today, four thousand a month doesn't even get you rent.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  Not even nothing.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  But back then, four thousand a month was like eight thousand a month.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, eight thousand a month now.

• 1:29:10Joe Rogan?

  And you would say, okay, if I made a hundred grand a year, I can live. Like, you can live off a hundred grand a year and be comfortable. Like, that's the goal. The goal was always just to be comfortable. But the thing with you is, I've realized this like very early on, you were gonna, it was gonna take a different path. Like, I remember watching, like, you emerge when you really started, like, killing on stage. And I was saying, and then, you know, all these agents, you remember I had that one agent that would get mad, that would take you on a road with me?

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  He would get mad! I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? He's not, I don't think he's funny, I don't think he's talented. I go, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You don't know anything. I go, why does he make me laugh so hard? He's like, well, you're a degenerate. Like, you're a fuck, crazy person. You gotta realize the audience is offended and you, that's your audience. Like, shut the fuck up. I knew that you were a different path. So for you, your emergence came with the emergence of the internet. And when the internet came around and we started doing podcasts, I'm like, this is the way that Joey's gonna break. Because they'll get to see the real you.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  I knew it too, when I told stories.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  But listen, it's like twenty-four seven on HBO. You may hate fucking...

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  I don't know, throw any name up. You may hate that boxer. For some reason, he's whatever, he's cocky. But then they show you his house. And they show you he's got four daughters, and they show you that he wakes up every morning and feeds the daughters. You thought he was a fucking animal. In the cage, he's an animal. But in life, he's just a regular guy. And you get to see that and go, no, I like him. I don't see a guy that just punches people in the head. I see a guy that's, look at him. He's got fucking makeup on. For his daughters, and he's cooking breakfast every morning. Then he goes trains. Like that, uh, Jason, what was his name? The big young brother from the UFC, Alexander. Remember he came and he was knocking heads and they found out he couldn't do jujitsu. Great guy, though.

• 1:31:03Joe Rogan?

  Houston, Houston Alexander. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  I watched that thing on him. He was raising four girls. His wife, the crack mom, left.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  That dude was a tank.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  He was a tank, and he would train in the mornings, then go home, cook for the kids.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  Remember when he knocked out Keith Jardine? Big upset.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Big upset.

• 1:31:18Joe Rogan?

  Big upset. Keith Jardine just tried to take him out. And Houston Alexander was throwing bombs.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  He was big and fucking strong.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Jacked.

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Jacked.

• 1:31:26Joe Rogan?

  And he was a radio DJ. You know, he was a radio DJ?

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  I didn't know that.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a hip hop DJ. Fi- find out where Houston Alexander was a DJ.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  I'd love to know where he is now.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Like a big DJ.

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a good guy. He always talked to me at the airports and shit.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Very good guy, very good guy.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  Very good guy. I was like, wow. But, you know, you, I knew that once I was able to tell my story, where I came from. It was, I what, I didn't know how to do it on stage.

• 1:31:52Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Then after I did on the podcast, over the years, I got better enough to learn how to do it on stage.

• 1:31:56Joe Rogan?

  But you did figure out how to do something on stage. That was the switch. And the switch was, you figured out how to be Joey Diaz in the parking lot.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  On stage. That was, that was killing me.

• 1:32:08Joe Rogan?

  But it went like that.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Like that.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  I never saw anybody flip a switch from struggling on stage to crushing like you. I was like, this is wild.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna tell you some of the reasons. I was too focused on material.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  You're too focused on your fucking material and you know what, at the end of the day, your material sucks. I've heard it already and that's what I would think in my mind. So I would do better when I went up there, just with one thought and attacked it.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? I mean, it's hard to explain what I'm saying to you.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, you, what you, what you did was, you treated the audience like they were your boys and we're all hanging out versus treated the audience like, "I'm a comic, here's some jokes." Like, when you first started, when I first, what did I meet you in, ninety-six?

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Ninety-seven.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Ninety-seven. When I first met you, you were doing jokes.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, you would go onstage and do jokes.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  And I would focus on the jokes, on that paper.

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Don't focus on that. At eleven-thirty at the store, your jokes don't mean shit. They just saw three hours of top-notch comedy. What are you bringing to the table? You gonna go up there and tell me what I saw on the news? And who taught us that? Paul Mooney, how to relax. He would just go up there, in my mind, he was just vibing with the audience.

• 1:33:24Joe Rogan?

  He did a lot of that.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  And it worked and I took that realm of relax.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  Mooney taught us a lot.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Relax.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  He was a real veteran, you know, he was like one of the only guys when we were there that was there during the prior years.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  The prior years.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  And was respected. He wasn't like one of those, there was a few guys that were still hanging around that had

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Literally acts from the nineteen-eighties.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Garbage. They were still doing like Bruce Springsteen jokes, no.

• 1:33:48Joe Rogan?

  It was just bad.

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  But his laid-back

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:51Speaker 01

  Attitude

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Always topical too, always knew shit. Anytime new shit was going on the news, he had ten solid minutes on it.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  And quick.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  That day, if it happened, they told on the news that night, that day he'd go up there.

• 1:34:04Joe Rogan?

  I remember he was crushing onstage once, we were dying in the back of the room, he goes, "Oh, that's right, I write, motherfucker. I write."

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, he's a fucking

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  And we were dying.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  But that calmness taught me how to, I was going up there and rushing.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  I was going up there doing two mistakes, rushing and worrying about that material like it was Bible.

• 1:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  I'll give you an example. Sometimes I'd get an audition, right, when I was doing a lot of auditions, this is when I learned that, early on when I was auditioning, that if I focused on that line, those lines, I wasn't gonna book that part.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  So I had to dip into Marlon Brando's fucking tools. Marlon Brando didn't read shit. He put those signs on you so you felt more organic. But it wasn't even that. It was know who your character is. I could tell you to go fuck your mother eighteen different ways. Right?

• 1:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  So it's the same thing. You have to just learn, not the words, but what he's trying to say in there. You don't need the words. The words are bullshit. What is this guy trying to say in there? Yeah, you take some of the sentences that he's saying, but you slow it down. And that's what he did in that scene when he tells everybody if my son should hang by a bolt of lightning. You, then I'll, Marlon Brando in the hotel scene, that's a beautiful fucking scene. If you love that shit like I do. All those motherfuckers were wearing signs. You've seen the behind the scenes of that.

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  So their words, the script was on-

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Were on papers. So Duval was sitting across from him with a billboard.

• 1:35:37Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:35:38Speaker 01

  That boss was sitting across from him and you see him, like he'd just look up. And that, I will not forgive. And he'd take another pause and look at another cue card and because he wanted it to be organic. He didn't want it to sound like those fucking lines this writer wrote.

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  And that's for everything. If you know the character, I know the character, I know me. See?

• 1:36:01Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  Everybody had signs, dog.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  That is really crazy.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  But it worked. Did it work? In the God's heart, did it work? Okay, so go fuck yourself.

• 1:36:12Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  Oh, did you see the Sony thing?

• 1:38:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Sony series, very good.

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, very good.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  Very good.

• 1:38:19Joe Rogan?

  What an interesting, imagine skeptical about Marlon Brando playing the Godfather.

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  Well, brother, he had shot a movie, Butty on the Bounty. And they went down there and the motherfucker fucked that chick and he wasn't even directing anymore. He was in the hut. He gave like the AD, the camera. You didn't hear about that?

• 1:38:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:37Speaker 01

  That's a huge story.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  That's Apocalypse Now, right?

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  No. And then Apocalypse Now, he went to a meeting, they gave him all this loot. And they told him, you gotta show up 180. Like you're supposed to be a Green Beret.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  He showed up 400.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why they kept him in the dark, right?

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  They kept him in the dark and he shaved his head.

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Get him a black shirt.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  You know, he didn't give a fuck. He did it however, and that's why they hated him. But at the same time, you gotta love the motherfucker because it's working.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it was authentic, right?

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that Apple TV show was very interesting.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  It was.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  Very. And I met that dude. Remember, he created The Longest Yard.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Our Rudy did the longest yard from scratch. When he did the Godfather, I think he didn't take two and he went to do the longest yard. He loved it. So he created the longest yard. So when we shot our longest yard, he was there every Friday for his little checky poo. Big motherfucker, big dude, dog. Good dude, big hands and shit, would just talk to you about stuff. Good dude. So I got it like that motherfucker, you know, Pete, Rudy, and I think he did something else after that. Look at the movies he did. Look at the movies he did. Jamie, when you got a minute, Paul Rudy's films.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  What was that other question that I'd asked you earlier?

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  About?

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  I asked you to look something up. You know the DJ in Omaha? Yes, Omaha.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Yes, Omaha.

• 1:39:59Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. What radio station? It's an independent pop station. Is he still doing it?

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it says he currently is.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  He currently is still. Look at that.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  We gotta call him.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  I think he fought recently. I think he had a fight like within the last couple of years. Did he?

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  This says 2017 for MMA box, bare knuckle boxing in 2023.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 04

  The one all four of those bare knuckle fights.

• 1:40:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Bare knuckle fighting, dude's a DJ. UFC veteran. It's a bucket. Let's get some bare knuckle fights in.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  How fucking great is that? You could DJ and then go fight somebody on the weekend.

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, yeah.

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  And that's life, man. That's a life that's worth living. You got your money, you're getting your money's worth.

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  You got your money's worth.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  You wanna sit at home, be sanitary, whatever, live like, you know, watching TV and you're scared they're gonna bomb you, you're done. You gotta keep fucking living and that's what, you know?

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta do things. That's the thing about life. You gotta do things. Too many people just sit around wanting to do things and not doing anything. It's hard to get moving though. That's what a lot of people find. They find it's hard to like go out to that club for that first open mic, step into that gym the first time. Like D-Rod, Daniel Rodriguez, did you see that podcast? We talked about how he got arrested in Tijuana.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  You know D-Rod from the UFC?

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:21Joe Rogan?

  So D-Rod beats Kevin Holland, right? Goes to San Diego celebrating and his boy's like, let's go to Tijuana. Fuck yeah, let's go to Tijuana. Just go to drink, have a good time. He just won a huge fight, top 15 UFC welterweight.

• 1:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Has an ounce of weed in his bag. He thinks, well, weed's legal in California, weed's decriminalized in Mexico, who cares? Maybe I'll bribe somebody, I'll get out of this. It's a federal offense to bring weed in, and even though weed's decriminalized in Mexico, it's not for visitors. It's only for Mexican citizens.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bro.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  How do you get out of that one?

• 1:41:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, one of the things he had to do was become a Mexican citizen. So he's got dual citizenship now, yeah. He was in jail for fucking eight months, man.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:42:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was just training in jail. He looks great, he looks great now, but when he got out, he was, he's like, I had no protein. So I'm in there working out every day with fucking eating noodles and, and potato chips.

• 1:42:17Speaker 01

  No protein.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  No protein. And so he, he got real thin, like he showed a photo of him like the day he got out. I mean, this motherfucker was training every day, twice a day, in jail. He's like, I'm gonna make the most out of this, but it's, he has no food. The food's terrible, so his body had wasted away.

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  I think I used to get protein powder.

• 1:42:35Joe Rogan?

  He asked, he tried to get it. He said, you can get girls, you get all these different things. He goes, he couldn't get fucking good food.

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  In Mexico.

• 1:42:41Joe Rogan?

  In Mexico, yeah. And he was a cellmate with a cartel guy. The cartel guy took care of him. The cartel guy recognized him, like, we'll take care of you, hang out with us. And he just, he said, I'm gonna just keep my nose down, just train. But he said he got a bunch of guys training with him because they, they were inspired. They're like, fuck yeah, let's train with D-Rod. So he had, he had all these guys in there, he said some of them were fucking talented.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  Prison's fun. I don't give a fuck what anybody tells you. Once you get to your destination and you meet your homies, and you create a little thing, it's like anything else. We just can't step out the walls. But you make it happen. Like, I laughed a lot in there, bro. I laughed.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  I bet you did.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Because nobody's funnier in prison than black people. I don't give a fuck what they tell you, they're the true kings of the prison system. And I had the two best. I, I was, I had the two best. And you know, sometimes that-

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  That's where you first did stand up, right?

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  First did stand up just for the inmates.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, Wednesday, Thursday nights.

• 1:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Just talk some shit.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  During the movies, they would go, this movie sucks. They'd be like, P T one oh nine. You know, we don't wanna see fucking Kennedy in a movie. Get up there, Cuba. And I would just go up there and fuck around, and it- It was nothing that was, I ever thought about anything. Like I, you said something before, thinking about the first time you went to that open mic. Boy, was that scary for me.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Terrifying.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  Took me eight months. I was such a pussy. I would call at Comedy Works in Denver every week and every week I'd cancel. Joey Diaz, you have a three minute spot? Oh, I don't feel good. And then my ex-wife, God bless her, as much as I hate her, she heard me on the phone and she had to have her mother babysit. And she drove me down and I got on stage and I remember getting off that stage going, how am I gonna do this? I'm married with a kid and three months later she came home, she was like, you're a loser, I don't wanna be married to you no more. I'm like, yes. Holy fuck. You just did me fucking solid. Then she did me shitty afterward, but the point is she at least got me to that open mic. So I have to be grateful for something that she did, you know?

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  It's the hard, the first step's the hard one. Yeah, what I was saying about D-Rod, like the first time he ever went to the gym, his girlfriend got him a membership. She was like, he's, cause he drove by it a bunch of times, he thought about training, never went in. He had a bunch of street fights, never went in. He's like, I think I could do that. And then finally, she's like, look, I got you a present. I got you a membership.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Hold that thought. Can I go pee real quick? We're at the two hour mark.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  I gotta go pee.

• 1:45:06Joe Rogan?

  And... We're back.

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  That was a tremendous pee. Oh my god.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  It's the worst is when you try to concentrate and you have to piss.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  No, that's the worst.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  You can't breathe a sentence.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  That's the fucking worst, when you have to drive and shit and you gotta pee. And I'm to an age, I just pull over.

• 1:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  Highway, whatever, I pull, I open up the both doors and I make believe I'm looking for something. And that dick is out peeing like, I pee on the Little League field and now I got, after surgery they gave me a handicap parking. I'm living like a doctor. You don't know what life is until you have handicap parking, dog. You just pull right up.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  There's always a spot.

• 1:45:45Speaker 01

  Always.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  Like four feet away. When I got in the mail, dog, I was happier. That made me so happy. Fuck walking. When I go to events now in Philadelphia, I just pull up and shit.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  Put a neck brace on, walk out and shit, oh, it's been beautiful, Joe.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  What do you have to do to get one of those?

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  The doctor.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  The doctor was like, oh, do you have it after surgery? I get it for you for six months. And then he goes, hold on one second. He went online, he's like, dog, you qualify for everything. You got everything on this list. Everything, go. And they gave it to me for fucking like three years.

• 1:46:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:46:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I fucking, oh, tremendous, Joe.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  How does it feel right now? You all right?

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it feels okay. I just listen. What happens is you do something every week. Like the second week I went, third week I went. Couple of weeks I went boxing and it was good for like three times. And one day I went and I had a plan, twenty for five minutes, eight rounds. On the bag or the speed bag, but I do the bags and I alternate the bags. Sure enough, round number six, one of the guys comes over and he goes, Joey, let's hit the mitts. I'm excited, you know, he's a young guy, let's do it. I left there and my fucking leg blew up from that right punch to cross, cause everything walks into it.

• 1:46:58Joe Rogan?

  You're also moving around when you're in the mitts.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  So I said, fuck it, now I gotta stand in front of the bag. So I learned my lesson. And then last week I went to PT and that motherfucker had me. I mean, I love him. But TJ, this motherfucker had me doing deadlifts and wall squats with a thing with your weight on the back.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  So it's all just to strengthen the muscles back up?

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  You have to strengthen, but I prepped. I listened to you guys. I, you know, I did everything I could before the surgery. That's what made it easier. Made a lot easier. I called you, I told you I was doing shit in five days. I didn't have a cane no more, you know, I was done. I started driving at eight days. Not because I couldn't, but because I was sick and tired of my wife driving me places. And I gotta, you know, argue with her in the right hand lane.

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  No problem?

• 1:47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a motherfucker.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's crazy.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  It was the right foot, which is the accelerated brake combo, so yeah. But yeah, I was out of the house, you know, the pain pills were done after eight days. Then I had to bring them back for PT. They were fucking killing me after PT. So after PT, you pop one, go home, put ice on it, rub it down with the cream and stay off it for an hour or two. But then at night I take a walk around the neighborhood. You're trying to strengthen this shit.

• 1:48:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:48:11Speaker 01

  You know, we're talking about it outside. Let's say you're in a hospital for five days. And you eat cereal for five fucking days. You gain weight. Your muscle breaks down and goes away. Like five days stay in a hospital could fucking kill you. Just because again, there's not that much protein. You're not getting a hundred and fifty grams of protein a day.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  And you're not moving.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  And you're not moving. So.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  That's the big one.

• 1:48:32Speaker 01

  I prepped for the surgery. I took all the supplements, ways too well told me. Everything. Besbarine. I took shit. My fucking piss is like glows in the dark at night. Purple, yellow. It's fucking amazing. I did all my PTs, all my BPCs one fifty seven, all my TB five hundred. I did them for fucking to the T like they told me to. And, you know, listen, I'm sixty three and it's a sixty three year old knee. So I don't expect to be in the UFC fighting O'Gara next week. But I could walk around and enjoy life with no fucking pain. Or no, it's not pain. It's like you always have an issue. You know it.

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  You always have that thing with your knees. Sometimes it sticks. Well, then you gotta do simple shit. You gotta get your a piece of paper, put it on the floor and just roll your heel back and forth twenty times and do kicks when you're sitting around. All those things help the knee. You get that band and you put it on your leg and you just straighten out your leg. I do that at home. This is shit I do at home, you know, instead of watching TV. It takes fifteen fucking minutes. Fifteen fucking minutes of your time. And I got the bulwarker. They sent me a bulwarker.

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:49:37Speaker 01

  The thing I told you last time about it's isometric shit.

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  So I did the bulwarker. I did the deadlift at the bulwarker. Now I'm fucked because I don't know how to change the strings. So I gotta learn how to fucking change the strings. But that's all it was. It was preparing for the surgery.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  You can't just go in there and not strengthen the little muscles around the area. Yeah.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Yeah, you gotta do something. It's very important, especially if you're gonna go into surgery. I know a lot of people that have had knee surgery and didn't do that and it's a big mistake.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  They won't go to PT. It's like you don't go to PT, what the fuck is wrong with you?

• 1:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Speaker 01

  That's they came. Listen, I had the surgery Thursday when my house knocking Friday fucking afternoon. I was home Friday from the hospital and they said they're coming over today.

• 1:50:22Speaker 01

  That motherfucker had me going up and downstairs, walking outside with the cane, getting in and out of the tub. He was, I don't even have a tub, I have a walk-in shower, but he was like, "I'm gonna do everything with you." So it was pretty fucking, like I said, this surgery was a lot better. The company that I did business with was a lot better. Last time I did it at Center State, that's like a medical network in New Jersey. Not bad, they have a great facility there, but, you know, when I went to do the surgery, my acupuncturist said, "When you go talk to that guy, the day before the surgery, ask him about the sanitary conditions at that hospital." So when I went, I said, "Hey, what's the sanitary conditions at the hospital?" He's like, "Ah, you hear rumors."

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  And then when I went for the surgery, they prepped me up, they gave me everything, they gave me the IV, they were right about to do that thing in my back. And he said, "We're not doing the surgery, I don't agree with the sanitary..." I was pissed, but I'm like happy, I could've ended up...

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  The doctor didn't agree with the sanitary conditions?

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  He came out and said, "No, not today. We'll do it next, we got a different hospital."

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  That's cra- so were people getting MRSA or something?

• 1:51:29Speaker 01

  Something, they had MRSA in there, and they were like, "No." Everybody was telling me, "Be careful with the MRSA in that hospital."

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, MRSA's fucking terrifying.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  But the funny thing was, he gave me a 20-milligram oxy, which they never give you. That's a strong motherfucker, I forgot I took it, remember I told you? I forgot, I'm in a Chinese restaurant yelling, "Gino!" I'm like, "What the fuck is wrong with me? Oh shit, I took that 20, I was fucked up for eight hours on that thing."

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  So they give it to you before the surgery?

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, just one of the precaution, they did that.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  A precaution?

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, precaution, whatever, the fucking, so you don't wake up in the middle of the surgery yelling and fucking screaming like a pussy. They do that, the epidural, the epidural was tough, because I felt it in my nutsack. Like, they give you a couple shots, and one of those shots made me actually go like this, 'cause I felt it on the bottom, towards the end of the nutsack, not the meat and potatoes part, but towards the end, close to the muffler.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  I was like, this is not bueno, dog.

• 1:52:27Joe Rogan?

  What is the thing they do? Uh, I, I saw this video online about it. It's like, I think it's called nerve ablation. I might be making that up. But they, they literally like cut the nerves off when people have back pain. Like some people with back pain, it's like they're in constant nerve pain. And they were showing how they just snip the nerves. And I was like, well, wait, wait a minute. Could, is that hinder your movement? Like, what is, what happens there? Is this it? Yeah. So what is that? Radiofrequency ablation for back pain management. What does it mean? Like, what is that? What do they do? Cause the way I was looking at it online, I'm like, it looks like they just cut the nerves. A minimally invasive outpatient procedure uses heat to intentionally damage nerves

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  carrying pain signals from the spine to the brain. Primarily provides long-lasting relief for chronic back pain caused by arthritis or facet joint degeneration. Wow. But does, does that mean your back just keeps getting worse, but you don't feel it?

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  What happens when you do that? Duration. Uh, back please. Uh, the procedure typically takes thirty, sixty minutes. You could usually go home the same day. Pain relief is not immediate. Often takes one to three weeks for the nerve to fully settle. Relief typically lasts anywhere from six to twelve months, although it can last for several years for some patients. Are the nerves permanently destroyed? No, the nerves regenerate over time. When the nerve grows back, your pain may return, but the procedure can be repeated. Whoa. Was the recovery in risks? What's the risks? Uh, complications are rare, but include infection, bleeding at the insertion site, temporary numbness, or skin irritation. Oh, normal stuff. Huh.

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Pain, that's nuts, man. Just shut, shut off the pain. Uh, you kinda wanna know if it hurts though, no? I would imagine like you're doing more damage if you're. If it hurts, right?

• 1:54:24Speaker 01

  It's like cortisol, you're numbing it.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:26Speaker 01

  And then it keeps getting worse, but you don't feel.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially cortisone, with cortisone, you can only do that so many times for like joints. Like it can degrade.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Tendons and stuff, because some people, they're knuckleheads, they just keep getting cortisone shots. Next thing you know, your shoulder falls apart.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't know, that's the worst thing.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could tear, tear shit.

• 1:54:46Speaker 01

  And that's what they'll let you do, if you let them. So, this is what I'm saying, unless you check out what opt, listen, it's twenty twenty-six, man. I'm scared of needles, and I'll tell you, half my life, I fucked up because I was scared of needles. If I would've just, I don't know what it was, I was just scared of needles. Now, I'll fucking take a needle wherever the fuck you wanna give it to me. You know what I'm saying, like now, you can shoot me while I'm standing up, I don't.

• 1:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Once you get used to doing peptides, needles don't mean shit.

• 1:55:14Speaker 01

  And those are diabetic needles, they don't do fucking shit.

• 1:55:17Speaker 04

  Good to stop taking medicine if you don't wanna.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Ah, that makes sense. So, if you're in pain anyway.

• 1:55:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:23Joe Rogan?

  So, a success rate is seventy to eighty-five percent. It's most stressful when the procedure targets the medial branch nerves responsible for facet joint arthritis. Success typically refi- defined as fifty percent or greater reduction in lower back pain. Uh, better physical function, reduced need for pain medication, that's big. Because some people, they're just a fucking, especially back stuff, some people are just in agony every day. They wake up and they're just in agony. And it's a long road back, you know, to getting, if you have back pain, it's a long road to heal that shit. And you gotta be very, very smart about it, and you gotta stretch. That's one thing that a lot of people don't like to do, a lot of lower back pain.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  You, a lot of that is just, everything's tight, and you can stretch and relieve a lot of that shit. A lot of that.

• 1:56:12Speaker 01

  Yoga comes in handy, you don't go anymore, do you? You don't go anymore.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  I do a lot of yoga things, though.

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  At your house?

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  I haven't, yeah. We actually have a yoga room in the studio, I've never used it. We got a heated room, we could crank that fucker up to a hundred and five degrees and do yoga in there.

• 1:56:26Speaker 01

  I haven't done the red light, I'll tell you what else I did after the surgery that worked, the hyperbaric chamber.

• 1:56:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, that's big.

• 1:56:32Speaker 01

  I did that twice a week, I still got six left.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Recovery, for recovery, that's fantastic.

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  And my oxygen levels are always low, Joe. I gotta figure, I gotta talk to waist to out tomorrow, every morning I wake up. Eighty-eight percent, you know, I'm always in the red zone. I gotta, cause I think lack of oxygen is helping me burn fat and a lot of other shit. My oxygen's at eighty-eight some days, eighty fucking five.

• 1:56:55Joe Rogan?

  Why would that help you burn fat?

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  Cause you need oxygen to do everything. You need oxygen for a fucking fire.

• 1:57:00Joe Rogan?

  So if you have low oxygen, you burn fat?

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  How can you recuperate? How can you fully recuperate with no oxygen in your fucking? I think, I don't fucking know.

• 1:57:10Joe Rogan?

  I'm not sure that's correct, but I think that

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  the more you exercise, the more you're gonna get oxygen in your system for sure. Hyperbaric pain chamber will help, but once you're like fully healed up and you can really exercise on a regular basis, it'll get back to normal.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Nah, because I do breath exercise every morning. That's what you have to do. You have to breathe through your nose like ten times and then hold it and then I take the

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  What do they think is causing it, the low oxygen?

• 1:57:37Speaker 01

  They don't know.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  They don't know?

• 1:57:38Speaker 01

  They don't know nothing. They don't know nothing. They don't wanna find out nothing. But I'll take the cord and the clip that you put on your finger, I put on my ear. It gives you a better read.

• 1:57:49Joe Rogan?

  What's more accurate?

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  So far, the ear for me. I learned that from an old Filipino lady in the hospital. She had all the tricks. So I do that. I test it. You know, when I wake up in the morning, I have it. I check my blood pressure like twice a day. It's the best in spin in twenty fucking years.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

  I think some of those Fitbits can do that shit now. Can they do that? Do they measure oxygen levels?

• 1:58:12Joe Rogan?

  So there's some of those really advanced wearable devices can measure oxygen levels too now, I think.

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 1:58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they all do. They all do. That's part of the deal. They measure your heart rate, heart rate variable.

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  Like those wearables, like the wrist stuff?

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  So I'll tell you what I got in mind. I got a the fuck, in the mornings, it tells you

• 1:58:37Joe Rogan?

  What are you wearing?

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  A Whoop. Yeah, within range.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  The Whoop does that? The Whoop tests oxygen levels?

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  No. It has respiratory rate?

• 1:58:47Joe Rogan?

  I gotta get back on the whoop.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  It's got.

• 1:58:49Joe Rogan?

  I used to use it all the time. They've gotten, they've gotten even better.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they could, this one is a lot better. My heart rate's good today. My oxygen's ninety-one, cause I'm here with you.

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  The.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  And my uh, skin temperature's minus one, so it takes all that shit.

• 1:59:02Joe Rogan?

  I uh, my problem with wearables is all these tattoos. So like, uh, this, oh, okay, it's reading it now. This reads my heart rate. This is a Garmin. It reads my heart rate some, alright, now it's not. Like, it doesn't read through the tattoos very well. I have to like, move it around.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  That's fucking insane.

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:20Speaker 01

  That's fucking insane.

• 1:59:21Joe Rogan?

  Can't read through the tattoos. Cause of the ink's in the way. Doesn't, you know, it's, it's, it's literally using some sort of a visual um, system. It's like, it's light. Like, if I look at the back of the watch. There's a, there's like a light back there. See?

• 1:59:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I understand.

• 1:59:38Joe Rogan?

  That is flashing into your uh, veins. And then it somehow or another gets information from that. And that's how it tells you.

• 1:59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, grab the same thing.

• 1:59:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so the problem is all these tattoos. I thought about like, removing my tattoos just around the whole, the circle where the watch goes. Just like, go get it lasered. I might do it. Cause I don't see that anyway. I'm always.

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:00:02Joe Rogan?

  I always have a watch on. And so like, now it's reading.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  They're speaking about, you know, burning your nerves and all that shit and that thing that.

• 2:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  I'm one year, I had a fungi, I still got the fungi toenail, but I had the really bad fungi toenail. And I saw a thing in Groupon for a company in Studio City that blow torched it with heat for six sessions.

• 2:00:22Joe Rogan?

  They killed the fungus?

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it never worked. But I went anyway. The lady would put like, a mask on with a fucking. And she'd look at my tone, like, you could see a fucking. And as she was burning it, you could smell the fungus burning. It smells like dead fucking assholes. And she would be there, and I would ask her questions, so she'd have to pull the mask off.

• 2:00:48Speaker 01

  Take a whiff of this fucking fungi toenail. Oh, there's times I buff it out myself now, because nobody will buff it out for me. Like, I can't take it to a Chinese woman, they'll lose their mind.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Can't you put like anti fungus cream on it?

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  I put everything on it, it's too deep, this fungus runs deep. This is, this is the fungus I brought back from Cuba. And it's, and it fucking pops up from time to time. I get under my tit, like it just, the fungus just grows. I don't know what I have to eat, like some days I eat something and it backfires and I get all these fungus marks. I get all itchy and shit out of my feet.

• 2:01:22Speaker 01

  But this bitch burnt that toe for six weeks and every week I would ask her more creepy questions. She would have to take that mask off and smell that fungus. Dog, it was horrible. When she would walk out, she'd close the door, like I was like, nope.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  And the thing never worked, she never burned me once, but she was serious with that blowtorch.

• 2:01:43Joe Rogan?

  It didn't work?

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  No, it did not, I told you the fungus is too deep, so to get rid of that, you have to do a liver test. To see how strong, because the zapping is fucking hard on your body. And it's really hard on your liver, so my liver didn't cut it. So they can't zap me with that medication.

• 2:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Did you hear about that lady who had Alzheimer's, she couldn't talk anymore? They gave her five grams of psilocybin mushrooms.

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  And she's singing opera now.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden she came back.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Started talking. They said she hadn't talked in a long time. She could remember things.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  I know for a fact, I got a good buddy of mine that stuttered, that was his childhood thing. Every time he smoked crack, you should have seen that motherfucker, not a strut in there, he talks, he's straight.

• 2:02:27Joe Rogan?

  Paul, you know Paul Stamets, the mushroom expert? He's been on this podcast many times. He's a legitimate mycologist, like a scientist. He had a horrible stutter when he was a kid, took ten grams.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Gone.

• 2:02:39Joe Rogan?

  Gone.

• 2:02:39Speaker 01

  Gone, it's unreal, and people will still go, nah, mushrooms are deadly, they're gonna kill you, fuck you.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  You need to see the devil every once in a while in your life, and that's what people don't, they don't see the downside. Because eating those mushrooms from time to time makes you step out like THC does, and makes you look at yourself. And make like a judgment call on what the fuck you're doing with your life.

• 2:02:59Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing with your life, are you chewing that fucking zen and talking at the same time?

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know, I don't have big enough fucking gums, I guess, I don't know, don't stay there.

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, the real problem is that it's illegal. You know what they should do with that? You know what they did with Colorado with thirty-nine percent tax? Make mushrooms a hundred percent. Tax it a hundred percent. We'll still buy, um, people will still buy. Make it legal, tax it a hundred percent. You know how much fucking money they would generate? And I guarantee you, well, I was gonna say people wouldn't be doing more mushrooms, but they definitely would.

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  If you grew-

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  But it'd be good for everybody.

• 2:03:32Speaker 01

  Listen, the only thing that stalls people from mushrooms is the taste. Most people put it in the grinder and then they put it in capsules and they do it that way, all different things.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  That should not be a hurdle in twenty twenty-six.

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  When you told me you were gonna get that property a couple of years ago, which you didn't get, I thought you were gonna go with mushrooms out there. Like, get somebody to set it up, and Joe Rogan's mushrooms.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Why, I would never do that.

• 2:03:52Speaker 01

  With your fucking recipe, like.

• 2:03:54Joe Rogan?

  No, it's, that's, that's not legal. I would, uh, always get it from- It's not legal federally. That's the problem. I mean, this is part of what Trump is trying to change with this psychedelics act. So, all that shit was made illegal in nineteen seventy. It was the Nixon administration, the Controlled Substances Act. If that hadn't happened in nineteen seventy, we'd be living in a better world. Like, legitimately, we would be living in a better world. You'd have way more people having access to this stuff, way more people that could get over whatever the fuck their hurdle is, whatever problem they have, whatever it is. It's not for everybody. There's a lot of people that shouldn't do it. There's a lot of people that are schizophrenic and that they just need one mushroom trip and-

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  One push.

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  They're gone. And they're never coming back. There's a lot of people that are hanging on. They're hanging on. And one edible, one mushroom trip, one, one, one meeting with the devil, and they never come back. That's true. But those people were already fucked. That's the problem. But for the rest of us, for the rest of the world, which is, like, most things. Like, some people eat a Brazil nut, they're dead, right? Some people eat peanuts and they're dead. They have a deadly allergy to peanuts. I could eat peanuts all day long.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  Can you look up how many people diarrhea from fucking peanuts?

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  It's quite a few.

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's quite a few. It's kinda shocking. Some-

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  Why?

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the really crazy thing. A lot of people think it has to do with vaccines. They think, this is Brett Weinstein's proposal. Is that when you take that vaccine, so there's aluminum in the vaccine that's an irritant, right, and this is what fires up your immune system, and then there's the dead virus. So, your body develops these antibodies.

• 2:05:34Speaker 01

  Look at that, one to four annually.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of people.

• 2:05:37Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of people.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  No, four people?

• 2:05:40Joe Rogan?

  Four whole people. What about in the world? How many people die for, about, it's four in the world, because none of them die anywhere else. Food allergies in general are responsible about a hundred deaths?

• 2:05:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. This, this is all made up white people shit.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a few people, though, they just avoid the peanuts. But there are people that if they get peanuts, they'll die. Brett Weinstein thinks it has to do with eating peanuts right after you've been vaccinated. And that something, I don't know if he's right. But something about your body reacting, is the reason why your body creates this antibody to the dead vac, the dead virus that's in the vaccine. You know, if you give someone, um, whatever it is, any, figure out whatever the disease is. You have a dead virus, and then you have this irritant. And the, so the two of them together, your body reacts to this aluminum, and it used to be, um, um, what is the other shit they don't put in it? There was mercury, ethyl mercury and methyl mercury, the two different types of mercury

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  they've tried to do that in vaccines. But there's problems with that, too, obviously, mercury's toxic. So is aluminum. But he thinks that if you have aluminum from this vaccine, and you're in contact with other things at the same time, you could develop an allergy for those things. Whether it's wheat, gluten, whether it's animals, whatever it is. Like, it's possible, he believes, to develop an allergy when you get vaccinated. And he thinks that's with the rise in vaccines and the rise in food allergies, he thinks those are connected.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this.

• 2:07:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if he's right.

• 2:07:10Speaker 01

  If you went to your great, your grandfather in Newark, he's an immigrant, came over, and you told him you had a peanut allergy, how many times would he smack you in the fucking face?

• 2:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, he wasn't a violent man. He was very, very kind man.

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  But still, he'd go, Joe, what the fuck, peanuts?

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  He would make fun of it.

• 2:07:25Speaker 01

  I grew up on pine nuts, every fucking day, two pine nuts, I'm, I was allergic to maple syrup.

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, the idea of being allergic to bread back then was preposterous. First of all, he would get bread, like, every two days. They would go down to the local Italian bakery and buy Italian bread. It's the only bread everybody ate in the house. It's so funny, like, I didn't even appreciate it back then. Like, when I'd have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, I'd be like, why do they give it to me on this bullshit thick bread? Cause you gotta cut the bread.

• 2:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, I'd be like, give me some fucking white bread, like a real person. Well, some Wonder Bread, that's what I wanted. When you're a kid, you want Wonder Bread.

• 2:07:58Speaker 01

  I love Wonder Bread.

• 2:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Peanut butter and jelly sandwich on a wa- like, I'd get whole wheat, I'd be like, what is this horseshit?

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  I think you'd be in prison.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  What is this terrible fucking shitty bran-filled wheat? With all the, the fucking chunks of wheat that's in it? Get the fuck out of here with your whole wheat bread. I hated it. Now I love it. Now it's the only, like, if I see, like, regular white bread, I'm like, ugh.

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this, that bread that your grandfather was getting.

• 2:08:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  In Hoboken, in Newark.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  Newark, yeah.

• 2:08:24Speaker 01

  Two blocks away, they were old-school Italian people. They made everything in the seventies and sixties without all the shit that's in now.

• 2:08:30Joe Rogan?

  I remember the bags.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:32Joe Rogan?

  White paper bags.

• 2:08:33Speaker 01

  Paper bags.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the, the fresh Italian red.

• 2:08:36Speaker 01

  It's fucking great.

• 2:08:37Joe Rogan?

  With pasta, when you dip it in the pasta sauce?

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  Oh, and the red sauce, you go fucking crazy.

• 2:08:41Joe Rogan?

  So good. With butter? You put butter on that bread and you dip it in that pasta sauce? Holy shit.

• 2:08:45Speaker 01

  I had to stop eating mussels. Right? That's my favorite dish. Mussels with spicy with medium? Yeah, because you could eat a loaf of bread. I can't, my body can't fucking do that no more.

• 2:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Especially with the red sauce?

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  Oh, eat a loaf of bread.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, go through the whole loaf.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  With the butter, with the olive oil on the bread, you need all that shit. So I said, I can't eat mussels no more. I love mussels. I go to Rudy's, I got some mussels, they're big, they look like a fucking chick, a six, look like a six-foot woman's clit. They're that fucking big, the mussels. You think I'm kidding you? These fucking clit mussels, when I go to other restaurants, you get those little mussels, then you got a couple of big ones, no, no, no. They give you nine big chick gorilla raised fucking pussy clits. And they're huge, and they put a little sauce on it.

• 2:09:31Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 2:09:32Speaker 01

  Oh, my god. Makes me go fucking.

• 2:09:34Joe Rogan?

  There was a Thai place that I used to go to.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Thai?

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  In L.A., Thai food, and they had mussels, and the big fucking spicy mussels, they were huge. So good, oh.

• 2:09:44Speaker 01

  Not the Thai place Eddie took me to, the one next to the fucking Tent Planet on, on La Brea.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:09:51Speaker 01

  I went in there with Eddie one night, and I already hate Thai food. And Eddie took, come on, I'll buy you lunch, I'm broke.

• 2:09:56Joe Rogan?

  You don't like Thai food?

• 2:09:57Speaker 01

  I went in there, there was ants on the wall.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  I'm like, what the fuck? But I like, uh, the one that you took your shoes off. They had the best shrimp pate in the country.

• 2:10:08Joe Rogan?

  You took your shoes off?

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's one on Sunset, right across from the comic book store.

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Toy?

• 2:10:12Speaker 01

  Toy.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Toy Tie?

• 2:10:14Speaker 01

  Toy Tie, yeah.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that place legit.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Solid place.

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Very good place.

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  The best place ever was, what's the place next to the Laugh Factory?

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Greenblatt's Deli?

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Greenblatt's Deli.

• 2:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that was, that was a great joint.

• 2:10:25Speaker 01

  Until I tell you this story. I'm in there with Ralphie May one day, and he gets a roast beef sandwich. And he's eating the roast beef, and I could see the ants on his arm. And he opens it up, and there's ants all over the sandwich. Listen to me, he called the waiter, the waiter's still charging for half a sandwich.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  I was like, he's like, I ain't paying shit. This motherfucker had ants on it, I didn't even eat the other one. The ants were on his fucking arm, Joe.

• 2:10:50Joe Rogan?

  They weren't in the sandwich, they were on his arm?

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  They weren't in the sandwich too.

• 2:10:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it was just all over the place?

• 2:10:54Speaker 01

  They were all over the place.

• 2:10:55Joe Rogan?

  Greenblatt's?

• 2:10:56Speaker 01

  Greenblatt's, which I'll still eat at, I don't, I don't even think it's sandwich.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  What year was that? I only ate there a few times, which is weird, because it was right next door to the Laugh Factory.

• 2:11:06Speaker 01

  It was good, too.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  I kinda stopped going to the Laugh Factory after a certain point. There was a certain point in like the 2000s where I'm like, I think I'm done with this place. And I was mostly at the store.

• 2:11:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I liked the Laugh Factory, I liked the improv.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  I was like, at the store, I love the improv still, I always did the improv still. But the Laugh Factory to me was like, there was something about it that was like sterile. There was something about, not a bad thing, but it was like very much like a lot of people got TV deals out of the Laugh Factory.

• 2:11:34Speaker 01

  That was the big thing about the Laugh Factory.

• 2:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Different kind of comedy.

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, it was, uh, the store was the dream, you know? The Laugh Factory was nice and everything, but then it was also like, remember Scott Day? He would discourage, he would try to discourage you from going to the Laugh Factory. He's like, you're a comedy store comic, you're not a Laugh Factory comic. I'm like, listen, man, I gotta go up everywhere. I can't, I'm developing, I can't be just limiting myself to one place.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  But after a while, you're like, I developed better at the store.

• 2:12:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing about the store too, you got three totally different environments. You got the Belly Room environment, which is like very intimate, very small, 70 people. And then you got the OR, which is the gritty. That's, that's the psychopaths at 11:30 on a fucking Tuesday night. And then you got the Main Room, which is the big show. There was so much opportunity.

• 2:12:21Speaker 01

  I fucking always hated the Main Room till the last five years I was there. I just couldn't get the formula for it. But the original room, I knew it like everything.

• 2:12:30Speaker 05

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• 2:13:00Joe Rogan?

  The original room, you're locked into a living room.

• 2:13:01Speaker 01

  You're locked into it. And that's, and then the piano and the whole fucking thing.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  The main room was big. Big stage, big crowd, it was big ceiling, everything was big. It was different. It was a different kind of a show.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Remember the first time I showcased for Jamie, he's like, man, what are you doing here? You belong in Las Vegas, man, in a showroom. You're not a LA comic.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Jamie always had the craziest ideas for people.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  But he, at the end, he was a really good guy. At the end of the day, he really tried hard.

• 2:13:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, he loved comedy.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, he loved comedy. All those people were very nice. You know, I just went to Nashville for the Comedy Festival.

• 2:13:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  And I ended up doing the Old Opry, you know, that theater there? What's the name of the theater?

• 2:13:42Joe Rogan?

  Grand Ole Opry? Yeah.

• 2:13:44Speaker 01

  And it was great. But the great thing about that, that everybody from the Improv was there last night. I saw people that were there for 25 years. And we just were dropping stories. Aaron, the guy Hartman, Hartman looks great. He's a big peptide guy, big everything guy. He was in Nashville.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  Joel from Florida.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:14:05Speaker 01

  You know, and you get to see those guys and you're like, wow, we've been in this shit together.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:14:10Speaker 01

  Like I told Aaron, I met Aaron in Irvine. Then she came to Hollywood and I was like psyched because she gave us an 11 o'clock show. And she was pregnant, she was hot. She used to wear the farmer, those things that-

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Overalls?

• 2:14:24Speaker 01

  The overalls, oh. She was so hot. I still tell her, when I talk to her, I always tell her, Aaron, you sexy savage, I always fucking torment her. But it was really nice to see them. And all we did, you know, Hartman and me told the story when I told him I was gonna bang his head off the wall, you know, just craziness that, look at this now. We're all in there having a great time. Twenty years ago, we were always at war with one of you guys. We cursed too much, you know, we were talking about when I got fired with Pablo.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:55Speaker 01

  And then he found out I wasn't doing coke and he felt really bad, you know, so. It was, uh, it was just great to see what we've been through together. And now, after everything, you're like, fuck. I was there the fucking night Joe started.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  That was in Miami, right?

• 2:15:09Speaker 01

  That was in Miami, ninety-eight.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  New Year's of ninety-nine.

• 2:15:13Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:15:14Speaker 01

  And Madonna came in with Chris fucking Rock.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:15:18Speaker 01

  And to watch somebody, New Year's Eve, I forget who the fuck it was. But yeah, that's, you look at those people, you're like, we took the ride, we were kids. We were fucking kids together.

• 2:15:27Joe Rogan?

  And also, you have to think, like, imagine having to employ you. Imagine being a businessman and you gotta employ you in ninety-eight. God bless him.

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  Not good.

• 2:15:41Joe Rogan?

  God bless him.

• 2:15:42Speaker 01

  Don't I remember the improv really liked me and I fucked them over in like two thousand and seven.

• 2:15:46Joe Rogan?

  Who was the guy, the original guy at Coconut Grove? The guy who liked to party?

• 2:15:52Speaker 01

  I forget his name now. Rich Jeff. Give me a minute.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:56Speaker 01

  Give me a minute.

• 2:15:57Joe Rogan?

  The original guy?

• 2:15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, crazy.

• 2:15:58Joe Rogan?

  He was fun.

• 2:15:59Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Fun guy.

• 2:16:00Speaker 01

  Really fun. He's from Cleveland. He lived in Cleveland.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Liked to party.

• 2:16:04Speaker 01

  And his wife hit the lottery for a million of them.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  People didn't realize how nutty Coconut Grove was. That was the nuttiest improv. That improv, we would go out afterwards and have Cuban coffee and eat Cuban sandwiches at like two o'clock in the morning.

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  No, we used to go to that news stand, the news stand.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:19Speaker 01

  It was open till five and it closed for an hour.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  He'd always tell stories, yeah.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  And you could drink till all night.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  So they closed from five to six. But whatever booze you had on the table, you could keep. So you would say, give me like eight beers. And then they would open up again at six and you're right there, hey!

• 2:16:37Joe Rogan?

  It closed for one hour.

• 2:16:38Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Then five in the morning.

• 2:16:41Speaker 01

  I remember one night you were on Conan O'Brien. This is ninety-seven, right? No, you did somebody's late show.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  It was the week that our friend got shot.

• 2:16:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Hartman?

• 2:16:54Speaker 01

  Hartman, yeah. You can't believe it. I remember. See, I'm just telling you that I don't know shit. Look up the dates. When Hartman got shot, you were on that show. Like, you were with me all weekend. And I stayed, and then you went to New York to shoot that. And then, that weekend, Hartman, you know. But I'll never forget, I was involved in a threesome when you were on that talk show. And I'm, it's a chubby chick and a hot chick, and we're snorting coke, and I'm trying to eat ass, and I'm looking at you. I go, pull on, pull on NBC, so I go watch Joe. And I'm watching you as I'm trying to tackle these two animals. And I'm like, who the fuck gonna believe this? The chubby chick got up, she's like, you didn't want to be with me anyway. You always wanted the hot chick, and slammed the door. It was a full night. It was a full night.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Cocaine, down.

• 2:17:43Speaker 01

  But all that shit, you see these people now, and you're like, bro, we all went through it together.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:48Speaker 01

  We all went through it together. What a great fucking thing to have at this time in your life, that we all, we're all here. You know? Fucking really nice, man. It makes you go, wow, this comedy life was worth every fucking penny. I got into it.

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun ride when you look back, and you think, like, imagine when you were first starting out. Imagine that it would turn out this way. You never imagined it. And then you look back, what a fun ride. What an extraordinarily fun life.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  I'll never forget. You had it pinned down from the beginning. I never even told you this. One of my frie- I got to LA like January ninety-seven, in that summer, like, August.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Nope. No, that's Cleveland Improv.

• 2:18:33Speaker 04

  I know, it's the one in Miami, too.

• 2:18:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, it was the manager.

• 2:18:38Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 2:18:38Joe Rogan?

  No worries, though. Thank you, though.

• 2:18:40Speaker 01

  What were we talking about?

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh, something pinned down. Manager.

• 2:18:47Speaker 01

  Who the fuck knows?

• 2:18:48Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about...

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, never imagining, looking back on this life, like when you first started, you would never imagine it would turn out this way.

• 2:19:00Speaker 01

  You said something about me once that was right. Like, I wasn't on the podcast, but you were talking to somebody. You're like, I remember when that guy first came on the scene, he was scary. He had a leather jacket and all this shit and he was buck wild. You know, I just got to LA and I, I do a couple of spots. The guy is at my, my first talent coordinator at the improv said to me, "Hey, would you like to work Irvine?" And I go, "Yeah." He goes, "I got an MC spot. Go do it next week." My first time, I go down there and I had a crazy girlfriend then with all the teeth.

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:19:30Speaker 01

  And this motherfucking head chef comes up to me and her and he goes, "Hey, she's got the same mouth as Gina Davis, the nice cocksucker mouth." That was my first weekend ever. And at first I took it kind of weird and then after the show, I went up to him and I go, "Hey, man, what the fuck do you think you are saying something like that?" He goes, "What are you doing? If you go at me, you'll never work an improv again." I just kicked him in the fucking stomach as hard as I could. They called me the next day. "Joey, come on, man." I kicked him, the guy fell apart. All of a sudden, he wasn't a tough guy no more. I was just so pissed. How can you say that to somebody's fucking girlfriend to her face? I just fucking front kicked him and I hit him somewhere in the stomach. He was holding on. I'm calling Hartman. Call fucking Hartman. I don't give a fuck.

• 2:20:14Speaker 01

  I remember getting in the car going, "Joey, you can't let the old Joey get in the way, man. This is not good. You should have just walked away." But no, why would I walk away? Fuck that shit. That was the problem. A lot of people would walk away from that shit and you just lost. You just became a Hollywood asshole. When you say fuck you, they'll respect you fucking more a year later. And they did. They ended up giving me more work, so.

• 2:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Was that guy still there when you went back?

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  No. He was like a cute cook that thought he was cute. Like he, Orange County, he wasn't gonna get smacked. I don't give a fuck who you are. I fucking kicked that motherfucker. I didn't give a fuck, Jack. I was so buck wild at the store in the beginning when I hit the kid in the head with the microphone. And then they came and got me in La Jolla and I took the pool, the pool, remember they had that pool table in La Jolla, the bumper, they had a bumper pool table in La Jolla.

• 2:21:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:02Speaker 01

  So these guys kept threatening me that they were gonna come game. So I got, I became fucking, uh...

• 2:21:08Speaker 01

  Chuck Norris in Code of Silence. I took all the pool balls and I put them in different places. So I had to throw them at him as a weapon. Then I hit all the fucking pool cues. You ever see Code of Silence? That's since Sagal stole it from him in that fucking Bobby Lupo movie. But that was, that was Chuck Norris. When he would fill a bag with pool cues and hit you in the head with it and shit. In the pool hall with the Colombians. Doug and that motherfucker, I saw them. I was sitting outside the, the La Jolla store. They had that little bench facing the Chinese restaurant. You don't remember La Jolla no more. And I saw them at the light and they made the turn. And I took one of those balls and I kept it right here. And they pulled up and took water pistols out. And I fucking took that ball and threw it everything I had.

• 2:21:53Speaker 01

  Hit that car. And all of a sudden the fucking car went boom. These motherfuckers took off, Jack.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  Code of Silence. I remember this because this was like the first like real movie movie. That like got respected by, it wasn't just a karate movie. It was a movie that was about like an undercover cop movie, right? Was it?

• 2:22:15Speaker 01

  Against the Colombians.

• 2:22:16Joe Rogan?

  But it was, the, the fighting part was just part of it. It wasn't that it was, you know, it was just a karate movie. Like most of his other movies were just karate movies. Or, you know, they were kind of campy, like missing in action. It was a lot, a lot of it based on the karate. This was, oh, we got hit by the pool ball. Oh, they jump them. This is a terrible movie.

• 2:22:38Speaker 01

  This is terrible, this is terrible. I thought men-

• 2:22:41Joe Rogan?

  It was the shit back then. But so when you watch it now, you're like, this is the corniest fight scene of all time. These guys would overwhelm him.

• 2:22:49Speaker 01

  Listen, man, uh. Good men wear black. Chuck Norris had a couple of movies where he showed his shit. This was not one of them. Walker, Sheriff Marshall was not one of them, okay? With the wig doing pushups still on channel 89. That wasn't him. I love Chuck Norris, but Chuck Norris made some good movies early on that were dark. That's why nobody talks about Good Men Wear Black. What's the other one? The Octagon?

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  You forget about all those.

• 2:23:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Is this Good Men, Good Guys Wear Black, 1978? Wow.

• 2:23:25Joe Rogan?

  How many fucking people did this guy get into martial arts? Like, how many people, because of Chuck Norris movies, wind up doing martial arts? A fucking shitload.

• 2:23:36Speaker 01

  I got into Tanksudo because of him. Because he was one of the first Tanksudo guys, then he split. He made his own thing, or whatever the fuck.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  It's uh, it's kind of amazing when you think about how many karate guys didn't make it. Like, how many guys didn't become karate movie stars, and Chuck Norris did? Like, how many of them were there? How many karate guys wanted to be movie stars and couldn't figure it out, and he did?

• 2:24:03Speaker 01

  Because I saw every martial arts film made in the seventies. Even with the black exploitation, the movie was called Three the Hard Way. Jim Brown, Jim Kelly, and other really good black looking.

• 2:24:15Joe Rogan?

  People forget about Jim Kelly.

• 2:24:16Speaker 01

  Jim Kelly was trying to break into that thing, there was a lot of guys.

• 2:24:19Joe Rogan?

  He did a bunch of movies.

• 2:24:20Speaker 01

  And then after Bruce Lee died, the whole thing opened up. Yeah, Jet Li, Jet Lu.

• 2:24:25Joe Rogan?

  Bruce Li.

• 2:24:26Speaker 01

  Bruce Li, you had all these fucking Bruces. And that just, that, that was the end of it. But I was notorious, I wanted to see all those fucking movies growing up. Uh, Billy Jack.

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  Do you remember Billy?

• 2:24:39Joe Rogan?

  I remember Billy Jack.

• 2:24:40Speaker 01

  The Indian?

• 2:24:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I remember, I remember the black hat, I remember the whole deal. I'm gonna put this foot on the side of your face.

• 2:24:45Speaker 01

  On that side of your face, all that shit.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  It's not a damn thing you can do about.

• 2:24:47Speaker 01

  They even had a white Mormon dude be a martial, everybody, Chinese, black, everybody played fucking Kung Fu. Everybody. And that movie, Code of Silence, is Dennis Farina's, one of his first movies.

• 2:24:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the sidekick in that movie.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  Fucking, he's just, you know, people forget how many Kung Fu movies or martial art based movies they actually made in the seventies. Fucking unreal.

• 2:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, unreal.

• 2:25:13Speaker 01

  And the shit that was getting sent here from China, it's like, uh, kid porn. They were just sending it every weekend. Fucking Chinese people beating up on Chinese people, jumping. Remember the more they got older, like by seventies, Bruce died in seventy-three, by seventy-six, there was movies that the guy had like a thing of gold. Weigh like ten, two tons and he would throw it up a hill and then jump and catch it on top of the hill. Come on, now you lost me. The one armed swordsman, you lost me. You know, the guy's got one arm and he's.

• 2:25:40Joe Rogan?

  Some dudes love those Kung Fu movies. They were completely ridiculous.

• 2:25:43Speaker 01

  And forget about black people. Recre- like, you know, when people talk about Bruce Lee, it was a sensational cultural fucking phenomenon when he came. And the people that, think about all the people he opened up to martial arts movies and martial arts in general. I mean,

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25:59Speaker 01

  Chuck Norris was the second half of it. You know, Bruce was the first, Chuck Norris was the second, and I hate to admit it, UFC is the third big wave of that, that.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:09Speaker 01

  You know, and do- nobody goes to karate no more. Okay? How many karate schools you got? It's the kids tend, they make them hit a paper.

• 2:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're going to jujitsu schools now.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  They're going at all different schools, so it's changed. The culture has changed. You know, in seventy-three, everybody went to Wing Chun Kung Fu.

• 2:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:26:27Speaker 01

  You taught judo, you became a Wing Chun dude now because you weren't gonna make no money off judo. Nobody was doing judo back then. You had to go to Brooklyn to get sabat classes. Remember sabat?

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:38Speaker 01

  The French.

• 2:26:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:39Speaker 01

  You had to go to Brooklyn. In those days, New York had everything. But then when like our friend, the one who does the MMA podcast with you, Matt Serra. When Matt Serra got into jujitsu, he would have to go from Long Island all the way to like close to Philadelphia. It'd be three hours on Sundays. Jujitsu wasn't everywhere yet. When he got into it, he would have to travel. I think he told the story on one of his podcasts. He would have to drive to Jersey just on Sundays. They just did jujitsu on Sundays because that's all that was available. Now you got a jujitsu school on every fucking corner. And who's that because of? That's because of UFC, man. It just blew it the fuck right open, so. Who knows, I may be wrong.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  No, I think you're right. For sure, the UFC opened up Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Hoist Gracie. Hoist Gracie winning the first UFC's, that opened up Brazilian Jiu Jitsu all over the country.

• 2:27:32Speaker 01

  Sam, what the fuck is this?

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a completely, I mean, there was no Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in America. You never even talked about it. I did martial arts my whole life. I've never even heard of it.

• 2:27:40Speaker 01

  You heard of it, but.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know if I did.

• 2:27:42Speaker 01

  It was so far off to you.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  I barely even paid attention to it. It was like, it could have been anything. And then all of a sudden, the UFC came along and it's like, oh my God, that's the thing that everybody needs to learn. That's what's wild now. It's like, how many people trained martial arts in comparison to like 50 years ago? It's not, there's no comparison. There's way more people that know how to fight now than like ever before. Than ever before.

• 2:28:05Speaker 01

  Or at least they know how to neutralize somebody.

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people are training now.

• 2:28:11Speaker 01

  That's what they're doing. So people learn to neutralize people. Anybody who studies Jiu Jitsu ain't gonna bully you. Okay, they're gonna neutralize you on the street. What are you gonna do, break your fucking shoulder on the street? They're trying to neutralize you. Hold you down. Hey, take a breath, relax. Don't swing at me, cuz I'll break this fucking arm.

• 2:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the video of Matt Serra, I think it was in Atlantic City? And it might have been Vegas, somewhere in a casino. Some drunk guy has caused problems and Matt winds up taking him down and mounting him until the cops come. He's just holding on to the guy. He's just sitting on the guy, hold on, there it is. The guy's swinging, look at Matt. Like, you've got a literal Brazilian Jiu Jitsu world champion. And he's just mounting you, laughing. Like, you think about picking on the wrong guy. He's just holding on. I mean, the guy's completely helpless.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember the whole story behind this. Look at the security guard coming. I was like, relax, I got this guy.

• 2:29:06Speaker 01

  Now, you and I both know Matt Kneem, kick him in the face and get up and leave.

• 2:29:10Joe Rogan?

  He could literally kill him.

• 2:29:10Speaker 01

  This is what I'm telling you. The Jiu Jitsu, that atmosphere doesn't teach you to do that. It just holds you down going, hey.

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's nothing to prove, you know?

• 2:29:17Speaker 01

  No, catch your breath, bro.

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  He's laughing. He's a world champion. I mean, I don't know if he had been the UFC champion by that time, but, you know.

• 2:29:24Speaker 01

  What are you gonna do, come over somebody on the street and break their shoulder and now you have to live?

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're gonna go to jail.

• 2:29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna go to jail.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  You lose everything.

• 2:29:31Speaker 01

  I know Jiu Jitsu people take you down like they're bouncers.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:34Speaker 01

  They just neutralize you.

• 2:29:35Speaker 04

  It was the night before his Hall of Fame induction to the UFC.

• 2:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's way past the time that he won the title. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's, that's very funny. That poor guy. Imagine like knowing that guy could have killed you. And he was just so nice. All he did was hold your wrists and sit on your chest for a little while.

• 2:29:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, and look at him. He looked like he was on a boat, having a good time. He's like, hey, somebody get me a water or something.

• 2:29:58Joe Rogan?

  The guy's literally helpless. He has no fear whatsoever of that guy hurting him. You know, it's like, it's like a child. It's like your little child's having a temper tantrum. Like, come on. It's Matt Terra. It's funny. There's so many dummies out there. This is part of the problem in this world. It's hard to get your shit together. So many people just stumble through life, just never getting their shit together.

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  I saw my friend last night. She has like a cooking show on YouTube. She goes, "Honest, don't do it, Joey." She goes, "My mother would watch and these people would say, like the weirdest, like, you know, everything, 'Show me your tits, show me your pussy, you can't cook, bitch.'" And you're like, you know, "How much longer am I gonna take this shit for?"

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  People are so horrible.

• 2:30:43Speaker 01

  They're fucking horrible on the internet. You know, this is a young girl, looking good. She's like, "Joey, I had to cancel the fucking thing." She was doing like a workout, a cooking thing. She goes, "No, I just play with my cats." That's it. People love cats. She goes, "That's it." But it's, it's impossible.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  There's so many animals out there.

• 2:31:01Speaker 01

  And they're out there and they don't give a fuck and they say shit.

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  It's also the zero consequences for saying horrible shit.

• 2:31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  And they're trying to get a rise out of the other people in the comments too. So they're trying to say outrageous shit so that other people react to it. So that you'll read it and you'll react to it.

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  It's the dumbest fucking thing ever.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  It is. I was thinking this last night. It's kind of a crazy thought, but you know, everyone is addicted right now to social media and addicted to going online and just addicted to content. You're constantly getting content. You're constantly interacting with your phone. And this is a very new thing, right? It's within the last 20 years, this has happened to people. This is like prepping us for what's coming next. We're gonna look back on these days and we're gonna realize, oh, the addictions to the phones, the addictions to staring at the screens and checking your email and looking at YouTube and looking at Instagram and looking at Twitter. That's just preparing you for you being completely connected to electronics forever. This is like the early stages of it.

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  I was thinking about it last night while I was watching this television show. I'm watching this crazy show. It's called From. Have you seen this show?

• 2:32:09Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 2:32:10Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts. By the guys who made Lost. One of the dudes that's in Lost is the main star of it. It's a fucking great show, like really good show, like very unpredictable, twisted, just like Lost, like crazy show. About these people stuck in this town. They can't get out. It's impossible to get out. But I was thinking while I was watching this, I was like, why, why is everyone? Cause no one has a phone there and everyone's just locked into this place. I was like, your phone is preparing you. The addiction to our phones are preparing us to the next stage of what life is gonna be like as a person. This is just the gate. The phones are the gate. But what's coming next, you're gonna reminisce about the days of the phone. Oh, you remember when we had phones?

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  We had to look things up. You had a little thing, you gotta charge it. Remember when you had to charge it? That's how we're gonna be. We're moving into some weird new area. They're building these fucking data centers everywhere. And everyone's like, oh, the data center. Oh, great. Like, what, what is that? What are you doing? Why are you building these things that need to be powered by nuclear reactors? Why are you, why, why are you building these things that are sucking up all the fucking water? Why are they putting these things out in the middle of the desert? Big as fucking five football fields, huge fucking giant buildings filled with computers. Like, what the fuck are we doing?

• 2:33:30Joe Rogan?

  And the gates is this goddamn phone. This phone is the gate. We're, we're opening up the door to us being completely integrated.

• 2:33:38Speaker 01

  My daughter can't watch a whole movie.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  They have no attention span.

• 2:33:43Speaker 01

  Forty minutes in, she has to leave and then she'll start it from the next day. I had her watch Scarface though.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  You had her watch Scarface?

• 2:33:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause we watched, we do experimentals at the house. We did the Fight Club. We do all that shit. So she said, Dad, I always only watched the part when he shoots the... The brother-in-law, you know, that's the only part I visit. It's always on when I come down. I go, I want to watch from the beginning. She enjoyed it for a little while. I went upstairs. After one scene, I'm like, I can't watch this again. She goes, I'll stay up. Two days later, my mother goes, did you see the review she wrote on it? And I go, no. She goes, take a look at it. And she's like, I enjoyed the movie. I was a fan because it was Cuban-American. But then as the movie rolled on, I figured these Cubans don't know how to treat women. He goes.

• 2:34:37Speaker 01

  They were smacking them and shooting.

• 2:34:39Joe Rogan?

  All you do is sit around, wait up for me to fuck you.

• 2:34:43Speaker 01

  She didn't fucking like that at all. She's like, I know my dad's Cuban, but Jesus Christ, they're so mean to their women. I'm like, do I act like that? She goes, no, but that movie. Yeah, she said, she goes, that gave men a different fucking thing. I go, mercy, that was 40 fucking years ago.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, you're dealing with the people that were the criminals of Cuba that were kicked out of Cuba. They made their way to America. Like, this is not normal people.

• 2:35:09Speaker 01

  No, no. And now they're about to let the second half out.

• 2:35:13Joe Rogan?

  What are they doing to Cuba right now?

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  Well, they're not surviving. They don't have any, uh, power, no gasoline. It's funny because every couple of days, I get an algorithm which is promoting Cuban videos. Cuban videos, people in Cuba, like they had kids going to work out. Joe, they took them to like this little place. Everything had papers on it. They did pull-ups, sit-ups with the head, the pipes were broken. You gotta see these fucking kids doing full workouts where we wouldn't even look at. Their body weight workouts, you know? They talking, they go around Baradero and they interview people and I don't know what this is doing. I don't know what this is doing because we're two years away from Cuba being legit.

• 2:36:01Speaker 01

  They're gonna go back down there after this whole thing goes or Raul or whatever. Whatever they decide they can't get fuel from Venezuela. How long is it gonna take? I mean, they're not gonna be happy till they have a Starbucks in Cuba.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  So what happened was they were getting their oil from Venezuela, right? We took over Venezuela, we cut off their oil.

• 2:36:17Speaker 01

  Cut them off.

• 2:36:18Joe Rogan?

  And so what is the United States trying to do with Cuba right now? They're trying to get rid of the communist government?

• 2:36:24Speaker 01

  They're trying to, well, they're gonna, they charged Raul Castro with something recently. That's the beginning. This is gonna end up like Noriega.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  This is Fidel's brother.

• 2:36:31Speaker 01

  You're gonna wake up one day and on ABC News, there they are in Cuba, pulling people out.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  But doesn't China and Russia have a relationship with Cuba? Isn't that a problem?

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  Not really, because they're not paying their bills. That's why Cuba's starving. When they had Russia, Russia was fucking doing everything, but then they didn't need them no more and they cut them off. I think there's, they do small trades for sugar or something.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  It is kind of crazy for the United States to have an enemy that's 90 minutes offshore in a boat.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  Trump administration said on 2026 May 20th indicted former Cuban president Raul Castro for murder based on the downing of two planes near the Cuban coastline in 1996 that killed four people. As a historian of Latin American and US foreign policy, I believe the indictment may be the prelude to a direct US military action against Cuba.

• 2:37:20Speaker 01

  This is the beginning.

• 2:37:22Joe Rogan?

  This is Kevin A. Young from UMass Amherst. Before Castro, the last US indictment of a Latin American leader occurred in January of 2026. That's the Venezuela thing. Since January, US has ended the flow of Venezuelan oil to Cuba and has economic and military pressure to prevent other nations from trading with the island. Trump recently threatened a friendly takeover of Cuba. I believe what's missing from most recent analysis of this situation is the history of US aggression against Cuba. It's essential context for understanding the Trump administration's recent escalations.

• 2:37:57Speaker 01

  So yeah, once they indict you, they're coming for you. It's just a matter of time.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  And they're just starving the country out.

• 2:38:02Speaker 01

  We walk up, yeah, they're just-

• 2:38:03Joe Rogan?

  And then they'll come up with a solution. Here's your solution.

• 2:38:05Speaker 01

  Now, there's a shooting-

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  You need to put in new leadership.

• 2:38:07Speaker 01

  They're not telling you there's a shooting or two in Cuba every night. Cuba's not getting... There's no power. There's no electricity. They have roaring, what do you call it? And that was yesterday.

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  You said an earthquake?

• 2:38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Biggest one in a hundred and fifty years.

• 2:38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're just fucking... They're doing everything they can.

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  Say that again, Jamie?

• 2:38:22Speaker 04

  This was the biggest one in over a hundred and fifty years.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so everything is looking... Like, right now, that's it. They can't survive this.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 2:38:31Speaker 01

  So...

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  So what happens to those people? They just wait this out, or the United States, and...

• 2:38:36Speaker 01

  Well, you have so-

• 2:38:37Joe Rogan?

  So they get no resources, no supplies?

• 2:38:39Speaker 01

  You got two things in Cuba. You have people that don't know...

• 2:38:44Speaker 01

  You ever watch that Thirty for Thirty with El Duque, when they won the championship? And they said people in New York were throwing toilet paper, and the wife was grabbing it, saying, "In Cuba, this is gold." "Why are you throwing away toilet paper? We have no toilet paper in Cuba." That's the mentality. So fifty percent of those people have been brainwashed. To the... Where they... You know, every day, there's a bullhorn, "Buenos dias, patriotas," you know, when the communists, whatever they call each other.

• 2:39:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, comrades.

• 2:39:12Speaker 01

  "We're winning the war. We're getting closer." "You know, what do you mean, I'm getting closer? I'm down to one eighteen. I was walking around at one seventy." "How are we getting closer to a victory?" So they're getting sick of that shit. They say the bugs that land on you at night are fucking... Just atrocious, these bugs. You know, they have real fucking bugs on that island. Not to mention, they all have syphilis. Cubans have syphilis. I think half my fungi toenail is syphilis, 'cause it smells like it, you know what I'm saying? But on the fucking nachokey thing. Cuba's got two weeks left. Two weeks from today.

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  And so you think they're gonna invade?

• 2:39:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're gonna invade, take Maduro, uh, take Raul out, and then what do you got?

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna install some new...

• 2:39:58Speaker 01

  Remember, a couple of months ago, there was a shooting in Cuba of a boat. You remember that, right? Right, Jamie? Some people were out there fishing, and the Cuban Navy shot them.

• 2:40:08Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:40:08Speaker 01

  Like, three months ago. Oh, yeah. This has been-

• 2:40:10Joe Rogan?

  Why'd they shoot?

• 2:40:11Speaker 01

  I don't know. They were investigating it.

• 2:40:13Joe Rogan?

  Cuba hands out weapons to citizens and tell them, "Prepare for an invasion." Holy fuck.

• 2:40:20Joe Rogan?

  Holy fuck, that's June 7th, that's Sunday.

• 2:40:23Speaker 01

  Sunday.

• 2:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Holy fuck. That distributing weapons to his citizens in fear of a US invasion. They reportedly started handing out weapons to civilians as the government urges population to prepare for a potential US invasion. Reports from South American publication, Version Finals, stated, uh, against the backdrop of the deployment of American military power near the island, the government of Havana began distributing weapons to citizens, officially urging them to prepare for an imminent foreign invasion. What if the citizens use that weapon to take over the country?

• 2:40:54Speaker 01

  Which they should do. That's what they fucking should do. Just call the fucking coup.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of a crazy risk. Start handing out guns to people?

• 2:41:01Speaker 01

  Like I said, man.

• 2:41:02Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden, your population is armed and you're telling them what to do? And they don't have any money and you don't have any money either.

• 2:41:11Speaker 01

  Look, man, when I started doing okay, I contacted my sister.

• 2:41:17Speaker 01

  I offered her a free ticket out of Cuba, money. Whatever I got half is yours. You're my blood, you know?

• 2:41:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:25Speaker 01

  I don't know if I could do that. Okay, why don't we do this? Why don't I fly you to Jersey? You go to your mother's grave. You go see where her house was, her way of life, and then I'll take you back. She told me I could never do that, because I'm married to one of Fidel's guys. I don't even want to go to the United States.

• 2:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, jeez.

• 2:41:42Speaker 01

  So she was so brainwashed, and after that, she was still my sister, but I couldn't help her.

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're used to what you're used to.

• 2:41:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's what it was.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Taking the big chance of coming to America and not knowing where you're gonna eat and how you're gonna live and where you're gonna get money? Are you gonna work?

• 2:41:57Speaker 01

  They got programs, all those people. They got churches. Cuban people have churches. They're Catholics.

• 2:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Is there also a thing where if you leave Cuba, I think there's, it's a cleaner path to get to becoming a United States citizen if you're fleeing?

• 2:42:14Speaker 01

  Yes, it's easier, I think so. Something like that.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  You're fleeing a violent dictatorship.

• 2:42:18Speaker 01

  For a community.

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Military dictatorship. Fuck, dude. It's just like, what are they gonna do about that?

• 2:42:26Speaker 01

  And then you gotta, we're talking about Vegas, what's gonna happen in Vegas if Cuba reopens?

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:42:32Speaker 01

  They're gonna put gambling back there. You know the Americans are gonna put gambling back there. They were negotiating already with the Havers, already they're talking.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  Turn into a resort, a location.

• 2:42:44Speaker 01

  They're not gonna rip down the architecture, that original architectures with Mace Cuba and the cars and shit. But also some, something else, and I know America knows this, those oceans are booby trapped.

• 2:42:57Speaker 01

  Up to a mile out of Cuba, there's a ton of shit that they have, booby trapped, mines, all that shit. They planted those during the Bay of Pigs invasion.

• 2:43:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 2:43:07Speaker 04

  Cuba nineteen fifty seven.

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen fifty seven, back when the mob ran it.

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  Look at, everybody dressed impeccably.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  They would go there, people loved it.

• 2:43:15Speaker 01

  No nothing.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  They loved it back then. They loved going to Cuba. People would go there, live it up.

• 2:43:20Speaker 01

  And sex was free and cheap, and you could fuck a chicken in those days. You'd get fucked in the ass by a guy with a big dick.

• 2:43:27Joe Rogan?

  Must have been amazing.

• 2:43:28Speaker 01

  Dog, it was unreal. That's why, the whole point of Kennedy and all that was for them to get Cuba back, the Italians. They were making too much money out of Cuba. And now they're gonna start to put drugs in there and shit, towards when they took it down. Cuba's been fucking riddled with bullshit for years. Every bad luck that they have, they created in the fifties and forties because it was a sex heaven. Americans would go down there on a Friday and not come back and, you know, it was, whatever cost here, eight thousand will cost you eighty dollars to get your dick sucked for three days and fed. People rubbing your feet and shit.

• 2:44:03Joe Rogan?

  Castro revolution had a major effect on Las Vegas. Look at that, closure of Havana casinos spurred Exodus to the desert. Wow.

• 2:44:12Speaker 01

  Frank Mir's father.

• 2:44:12Joe Rogan?

  Especially people in the, who?

• 2:44:14Speaker 01

  Frank Mir's father.

• 2:44:16Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean Frank Mir's father?

• 2:44:17Speaker 01

  Frank Mir's father was a casino, so that's how he ended up in Vegas.

• 2:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, I thought you said Frank Mir's father was connected to.

• 2:44:24Speaker 01

  No, so Frank Mir's father was a casino dealer in Cuba.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:44:27Speaker 01

  When Cuba closed down, he went right to Vegas. So a lot of those people went right to Vegas.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:44:33Speaker 01

  Really interesting shit.

• 2:44:34Joe Rogan?

  That is interesting. It makes sense. Cause that, those are the two places. And if you're on the east coast, the trip to Cuba is easy.

• 2:44:40Speaker 01

  With thirty minutes.

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like going to Florida.

• 2:44:42Speaker 01

  Thirty minutes. It was what you and your wife would do on a weekend. What are we doing?

• 2:44:45Joe Rogan?

  How far is the flight from New York City to, uh, New York City to Florida is what, an hour?

• 2:44:51Speaker 01

  Three.

• 2:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Three hours?

• 2:44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, because Trump is down there now, so they go a different way now.

• 2:44:56Joe Rogan?

  No, really?

• 2:44:56Speaker 01

  You can't go straight to Fort Lauderdale over Miami. You gotta go outside that range if he's in Florida.

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  What did it used to be?

• 2:45:02Speaker 01

  Two.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Two. It used to be two hours. So, New York City to Cuba is only an extra half hour then?

• 2:45:08Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  So, like, less than three hours?

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  Three hours, you'll be on the island.

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  So, it's basically the same as Vegas then?

• 2:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  It's the middle.

• 2:45:16Speaker 01

  The middle.

• 2:45:18Joe Rogan?

  But, you have the, you're on an island, it's a resort.

• 2:45:22Speaker 01

  Nobody knows what's going on.

• 2:45:23Joe Rogan?

  It's beautiful.

• 2:45:24Speaker 01

  You know, I told you that. My mother would tell me how all those Hollywood stars would hide in Cuba. Especially Rock Hudson. They would go, that's where they would suck dick on the weekends.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Rock Hudson, that makes sense.

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  So, all those Hollywood people would go to Cuba, lock themselves in.

• 2:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:45:39Speaker 01

  There was no TMZ, there was no press.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:45:42Speaker 01

  You know, these people in Cuba don't have a new, you know, how are they gonna get the pay?

• 2:45:45Joe Rogan?

  And everything's run by the mobs, so it's like just all sin and vice.

• 2:45:49Speaker 01

  Whenever you got a minute, you run, you read that Avan and Nocturne. That book.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  What is it called?

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  It's Avan and Nocturne. It's a revolution from three different places. Union City, New Jersey, New York City, and Miami. And how, oh, no, no, not Miami, New York City, Tampa. And how those three cities were like involved in that whole.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  What do you think's gonna happen to Cuba? If you had a guess?

• 2:46:13Speaker 01

  If I had a guess, come on, I'm already seeing dollar signs. If you're a casino right now with how bad casinos are doing here, you're looking at that right there.

• 2:46:23Joe Rogan?

  Havana Nocturne. How the mob owned Cuba and then lost it to the revolution.

• 2:46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, excellent book, excellent.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  And so that was Kennedy trying to get rid of the mob? That's why they helped Fidel?

• 2:46:37Speaker 01

  When the mob put, listen, Kennedy's father went to Chicago and he talked to those people. They had the pull. If you live in Chicago or where else, you win the primary. I don't know how it works, Joe. I'm not a political guy.

• 2:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, they definitely helped Kennedy get into office.

• 2:46:52Speaker 01

  They helped Kennedy get into office.

• 2:46:53Joe Rogan?

  But then, when he got into office, then his brother...

• 2:46:55Speaker 01

  He didn't help him get Fidel back. Then the brother double timed them and then they started shooting. And I don't know, I don't know who shot Kennedy. I'm just saying this.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, the mob definitely didn't like him. They were very upset.

• 2:47:04Speaker 01

  They cut into their pocket.

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  And he helped, the mob helped him get into office in the first place.

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  And then, once he got in, they started prosecuting people and like, hey.

• 2:47:13Speaker 01

  Then he fucked them with the bad pigs.

• 2:47:16Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:47:16Speaker 01

  When he pulled off air support at the last minute.

• 2:47:19Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly, he didn't know that they were gonna do this. And then, when they told him about it, he denied air support. And air support was critical to the success of the mission.

• 2:47:28Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:47:29Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, Operation Mongoose. Robert Kennedy spearheaded his secret government project to topple the Cuban communist regime, working parallel to the CIA's mob-assisted efforts. Um, but this is after the revolution, right? This was when Fidel was running Cuba.

• 2:47:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  They were trying everything they do to kill fucking Fidel. They were doing everything to CIA.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  But this is after, so what spurred the Cuban takeover of, of, uh, the military's taking over of Cuba? Mob bosses like Sam Jean Cana and Santo Traficante recruited to help eliminate Castro, using methods like poison pills. Mafia wanted Castro gone so they could reopen their multimillion-dollar Cuban operations. Wow.

• 2:48:15Speaker 01

  That's all it was. It was money.

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:48:17Speaker 01

  Big money, untraceable money.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I can imagine.

• 2:48:20Speaker 01

  Unfathomable.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Untraceable?

• 2:48:21Speaker 01

  Nothing, no nothing.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  And you're over there living the life...

• 2:48:24Speaker 01

  Nobody knows nothing. Mile-asky, eating fucking Cuban food every day.

• 2:48:27Joe Rogan?

  They probably had it all set up. It was nice. And then the revolution came.

• 2:48:31Speaker 01

  Kosher Cuban food every day, fucking Mile-asky.

• 2:48:33Joe Rogan?

  So, the, what did the people think? The people think that these mob motherfuckers, they're taking over our country. Let's, let's let Castro come in and we'll be socialists and everything will be great? Or did they just get taken over?

• 2:48:47Speaker 01

  They got taken, what happened was Castro went in there, Batista was horrible. Batista was fucking no better than Castro. So when Castro took over, it was to take over Batista and make Cuba, but in the conglomeration, he became a communist somewhere along the line and then when he took over Cuba, that's when he shut the casinos down.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:49:09Speaker 01

  He destroyed the fucking casinos, you know? And then the Italians got mad, they all came back. And then they were just, they thought it was gonna be temporary. Like this is gonna be temporary, we'll clean over this. So for years Italians were just watching the news, waiting for somebody to kill fucking Castro. It was the Italians.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  And then when they thought that the United States was gonna go in there and invade, like, oh, good, we're all set.

• 2:49:36Speaker 01

  I wish there was more film from those days so people could see, like, my mother explained things to me, I wish she was still alive because I could, like, she said that Italian food was different in Cuba. She goes, first of all, the pizzas had lobster on them and shrimp, already back then in the 50s. They were making, because she didn't like the pizza in the United States, she goes, not the same, they put fresh shrimp from the fucking ocean.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:59Speaker 01

  Lobster, fucking all these other things. They got these pies now in New York, I'm scared to try them, I can't. They put calamari on the pizza. How fat can you get? How fucking fat do you wanna be? You go to these pizza places in Jersey, dog, it's like ziti, a pound of ziti on a slice of pizza.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  There's pizza places in Jersey that are just going off, and the sandwich places in Jersey?

• 2:50:22Speaker 01

  Oh, your boy, your boy's going off.

• 2:50:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Giovanni, but that's, that's White Plains.

• 2:50:27Speaker 01

  That's so.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  That's phenomenal.

• 2:50:29Speaker 01

  I've been doing a little tour.

• 2:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Nothing like Italian delis on the East Coast, there's nothing like it.

• 2:50:34Speaker 01

  That smell, like that cheese when you walk in and the fucking olives and shit.

• 2:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's insane.

• 2:50:38Speaker 01

  Unbelievable, unbelievable. There's too much pizza, like, just too much. You know, it's funny, when I moved there, like, I'm scared to gain weight, the pizza. I eat one slice a week, maybe, maybe.

• 2:50:52Speaker 01

  Since I had the knee surgery, I've been doing the podcast at the house. So I've been ordering pizza from this one place and my buddies go crazy. That's the best pizza we've ever had. It's thin, sweet red sauce.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:51:04Speaker 01

  Extra cheese, you burn it. It's fucking thin. Oh, my God. And the sweet red sauce. God.

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  They know how to make pizza on the East Coast. And they try out here. They do a pretty good job out here.

• 2:51:14Speaker 01

  They try.

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  But it's just not the same.

• 2:51:15Speaker 01

  It's missing something.

• 2:51:16Joe Rogan?

  Same as the sandwiches. There's some good Italian sandwiches out here. They're pretty good. But they can't fuck with like Giovanni's place.

• 2:51:25Speaker 01

  Bro, Giovanni sent me two shipments that were.

• 2:51:28Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 2:51:28Speaker 01

  I had to give him half of it away. I'm like, Giovanni.

• 2:51:31Joe Rogan?

  He sends you so much.

• 2:51:32Speaker 01

  Fucking salamis and fucking dried salami. Oh.

• 2:51:35Joe Rogan?

  The cheese is incredible, right?

• 2:51:36Speaker 01

  Oh, and the cookies. His fucking cookies.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fuck you up with those cookies.

• 2:51:40Speaker 01

  I'd die for, bro.

• 2:51:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:41Speaker 01

  You know, and that's everywhere. Like, I just stopped.

• 2:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:44Speaker 01

  Fucking around like.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, when I go to the East Coast, I just assume they're terrible.

• 2:51:48Speaker 01

  I gotta take you to this place.

• 2:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Which place? It took me to El Nido. That was phenomenal.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  El Nido now is Kovo Steakhouse. Whatever, but.

• 2:51:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a steakhouse now?

• 2:51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:58Joe Rogan?

  Is it great?

• 2:52:00Speaker 01

  They fucked me up a couple of weeks ago. I went in there five to nine. I've been there three weeks in a row with big party. And then my wife once and then a friend once. I go in there when they're five to nine. Like, let me get a fourteen ounce with a fucking beer. And they're like, we're closed.

• 2:52:16Speaker 01

  Ain't nobody in here. You can't make another steak? No, we're closed. Not even nine.

• 2:52:23Speaker 01

  No reason to go back.

• 2:52:25Joe Rogan?

  That's a bummer. That's people want to go home.

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't give a fuck. It's a steak. You guys are, there's nobody in here.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:31Speaker 01

  The bar is cute in there. Nobody's ever in there. They got a male bartender. They got a blonde with big tits. You see this place packed the fuck up. You got a little Spanish guy that's a great guy. But, but I go to this place now, they had on the special three weeks ago. You ready? Stuffed shells with lobster meat.

• 2:52:52Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:52:52Speaker 01

  Added a Gordon sign. And he gives you five of them in a tray. Oh, Joe.

• 2:52:58Joe Rogan?

  What's this place called?

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  Ostaria.

• 2:53:01Joe Rogan?

  Where's it at?

• 2:53:02Speaker 01

  Marlboro. This is my spot.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:53:05Speaker 01

  I go there because the dude will do whatever I ask him to do. Like, he'll, he has a menu, but then he'll go, Joey, have you tasted my Italian fried rice? You're like, what are you talking about, Italian fried rice? And he makes risotto with lobster and shrimp of fried rice? Oh, so he's gonna add it, he's got a new restaurant opening, so he lets me sample everything. He makes a cheesesteak to die for with the, bread with the seeds on it.

• 2:53:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:53:31Speaker 01

  The Simmelina bread?

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:34Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 2:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Ostaria, there it is. Oh, that looks good. Yeah, there's nothing like east coast Italian food. Nothing even compares.

• 2:53:45Speaker 01

  No, Steve and Angelo in there, bro, they don't fuck around.

• 2:53:48Joe Rogan?

  All right, let's wrap this bitch up.

• 2:53:50Speaker 01

  Bro, thank you for having me.

• 2:53:51Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure.

• 2:53:51Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 2:53:52Joe Rogan?

  When are you leaving town?

• 2:53:53Speaker 01

  Thursday, I'm around all week.

• 2:53:54Joe Rogan?

  All right, all right.

• 2:53:55Speaker 01

  But I'm in Atlantic City, seventh and eighth, at Oceans Casino, White People Casino.

• 2:53:59Joe Rogan?

  July, seventh and eighth?

• 2:54:00Speaker 01

  No, August.

• 2:54:01Joe Rogan?

  August, seventh and eighth, okay.

• 2:54:03Speaker 01

  Chicago got announced, November fifth.

• 2:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Uh, what's the website for people to go to find out details?

• 2:54:09Speaker 01

  I got no fucking website.

• 2:54:10Joe Rogan?

  You know the website?

• 2:54:10Speaker 01

  JoeyDeers.com or that.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 2:54:12Speaker 01

  I don't know anymore.

• 2:54:14Joe Rogan?

  All right, well, they'll find you, they'll find you. So, one more time, where's the casino?

• 2:54:18Speaker 01

  Uh, Oceans Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, the seventh and eighth, tremendous.

• 2:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful, all right.

• 2:54:23Speaker 01

  I think the governor's coming.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  The governor?

• 2:54:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mikey Sherrill. I don't even like her, but, oh, I do like Mikey Sherrill. I do like Mikey Sherrill, because she's a Democrat, you're not supposed to like her, but it was funny, I went to a restaurant, some guy's like, hey, man, life would have been so much better with Jack Chiderella. I go, I know, but he lost by four hundred thousand fucking votes. He tried to, a Republican in Jersey, that's never gonna fucking work, they've been Democrats since Jesus showed up, so. Four hundred thousand votes, bro.

• 2:54:51Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot.

• 2:54:52Speaker 01

  I'd be in my house with the windows fucking like Sonny Black and Donnie Brasco with the windows, the shades drawn for a year. Four hundred thousand fucking votes.

• 2:55:00Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that podcast I did with Joe Pistone?

• 2:55:01Speaker 01

  Yes, very good.

• 2:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:55:03Speaker 01

  He was very good on here.

• 2:55:04Joe Rogan?

  He was amazing.

• 2:55:04Speaker 01

  He's a good dude, too. He's a good white fucking savage.

• 2:55:07Joe Rogan?

  What a crazy life. The real Donnie Brasco, I mean, he really fucking lived like that.

• 2:55:12Speaker 01

  And he infiltrated the Bonanos.

• 2:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, deep.

• 2:55:15Speaker 01

  They never recovered from that.

• 2:55:17Joe Rogan?

  They even loved him after he fucking came out and they found out he was a cop. They're like, oh, you were better than me. That's like one of the guys said that to him. Hey, you, you won. You beat me.

• 2:55:28Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  Nuts. All right.

• 2:55:31Speaker 01

  I love you, brother.

• 2:55:31Joe Rogan?

  I love you, too.

• 2:55:32Speaker 01

  Thank you very much.

• 2:55:32Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna have fun tonight. All right, bye, everybody.