Pod Insights The Psychology of your 20s 246. How to cope with political anxiety About this episode Many of us have been facing increasing levels of political anxiety in the past days and weeks. It seems that the world has never been more divisive and polarised and there is a lot that we are uncertain and fearful of. In today’s episode we talk about how we can acknowledge that the future feels scary, but still find an internal sense of safety and peace, including:
The value of stoic principles and focusing on what you can control The psychology of a strong belief system The power of staying present and grounding ourselves Overcoming doomscrolling and being informed but not overwhelmed How to talk about politics in a healthy way I know this time feels very scary and uncertain but I hope this tiny slice of the internet makes you feel safe and seen, love Jemma.
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4:01 Jemma Sbeg? Today, we're going to be talking about political anxiety and political uncertainty. Something that I think we could all do with some more information about at the moment and maybe some comfort as well, given the recent election. I just want to say, straight off the bat, from the top, this Is not a space for any hate or negativity. And if you are listening to this episode with that intention, or you're looking to start an argument, you're looking to make a point, I would kindly ask that you move on to one of our many other episodes. Just with respect for those of us who are feeling differently to you. You know, I'm recording this the day after the US election and I know that tensions are high.
4:43 Jemma Sbeg? So if you were happy with the results of the election, then you probably don't need this episode. But there are people who do, and I hope that you can respect that for this moment. I just want to put that out there because my focus with this podcast has always been on making people feel like they have a space to just feel their feelings, whatever they may be, as ugly, as horrible, as negative, as dark as they are. I just simply want you to know that you are not alone. And just to find ways for you to find peace within the turmoil of our twenties and beyond. And I think a lot of us need that right now.
5:25 Jemma Sbeg? There is something very specific on a lot of our minds that is increasing that turmoil. You know, there is a lot of angst, there is a lot of stress, anxiety to do with what the future holds after the outcome of this election. But also just in general, when it comes to increasing polarization and division almost everywhere we look. I know a lot of us are concerned about our freedoms, our safety, our rights, what the future holds for us in many domains, you know, the environment, foreign policy, the economy, and just genuine empathy and kindness in the world. We are seeing so much suffering and injustice. And it is not a pleasant feeling to be sitting in,
6:08 Jemma Sbeg? especially since that feeling in particular jeopardizes some of our very core needs as humans. We need to feel secure. We need to feel a sense of stability and certainty. Our human brains don't like uncertainty because it triggers our survival instincts, which have very much evolved to help us avoid. Danger. You may think that these very ancient systems don't really apply when it comes to political outcomes or elections or anything of the sort, but it very much does. If you don't know what is going to happen and everything in your mind and your body is telling you that the outcome won't be good
6:49 Jemma Sbeg? and it's going to be harmful to those that you love, this is something that you are going to be hypervigilant towards. This is something that will trigger stress and the outcome of an election, current, I don't know, political circumstances, social circumstances, those are all very valid triggers. Our fight or flight response is triggered by major societal, political, environmental change, especially when the stakes are high. And I think with recent events, often our fears can feel very unreal and abstract, and this isn't some abstract fear. This isn't some abstract scary thought.
7:31 Jemma Sbeg? The fear for many of us, it did come true. This could have consequences for us and this definitely creates an even deeper emotional investment and acknowledgement of what's happened in the past and also fear around what could potentially and might actually happen in the future. There is a significant increase in fear that comes from that. And whilst we could typically call that catastrophizing, you know, maybe there is a tendency to think, you know, no, like, this is just catastrophic thinking. It's not going to be that bad. I think some of our fears don't feel unrealistic. And that is a really scary thought, that there is something that might be likely to occur
8:15 Jemma Sbeg? as a result of this election, as a result of the political climate that we really don't want to face. And all of that is based in very human, very animal, very evolutionary anxiety that is meant to keep you safe in these moments and that is meant to spur you on to do something. It's just that right now, it doesn't feel like you can. So I just wanna tell you, what you are feeling is completely understandable. Distress is a very valid emotional response. When it feels like the world is collapsing and it feels like that right now. I have received messages from so many of you saying that you feel so alone.
8:57 Jemma Sbeg? It feels like society is going backwards, that this is not the kind of world that you wanna live in. How can you plan for a future? What can you expect from your future? And I, I very much understand right now how very, very hard it is to put into words. All the scenarios that our brains are cooking up. There's also a real sense of political fatigue. You know, for all the progress that we've made, for how much hope we had, for how deeply we believe in what is right. Surely there is some way to fix this, but we're just too exhausted to even think of it right now. There is just too many emotions running amok. There is just too much stress, almost paralyzing us. But we can't live in that distress and this anxiety forever.
9:39 Jemma Sbeg? As much as it might feel like we're doing something about the problem, we're not. And that is the space that I wanna move us into. The space where we can think more clearly about what we can do next. We can think more clearly about how we can look after ourselves. How we can approach this with a stoic mindset, with any mindset that helps us actually live, I guess. Essentially, there may not be a way to fix what has happened, but there is a better way to cope. And there is a way to return to at least a sense of internal safety. Even as wild things are happening outside, even as things in the future seem to threaten us.
10:23 Jemma Sbeg? So from here on out, we are not going to talk about any specifics to do with the election. No specifics to do with politics. Our focus is just on how to take care of yourself and those that you love and how to take care of your mind. That is our one job here from here on out. And I really just wanna give you the space to have maybe a mental break from reading the news. From absorbing that kind of content and that kind of information. And instead, give you some of the best psychology based tips for managing the elevated political anxiety and stress that many of us have at the moment. So without further ado, let's get into this. Hopefully this is helpful.
11:06 Jemma Sbeg? Hopefully you better understand the political anxiety you might be experiencing right now.
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15:34 Jemma Sbeg? The hardest thing to kind of come to terms with at this point is that you cannot change the outcome of what has happened. As much as you might want to, you know, the worry and the stress within you, it is calling you to act. It is naturally causing, calling you to, to do something, to run, to fix the problem. Whilst you kind of know that the thing that is causing your stress, you can't fix that. You know, you can't fix an election, you can't fix whatever the political state is that you're experiencing right now, the way that you could fix a conflict with a friend or you could fix a screw up at work.
16:13 Jemma Sbeg? These kinds of situations, these political, global situations, they're very unique and they're very rare in the impact that they have on us psychologically, because we don't typically have the skills in our toolkit to deal with something so big and scary that we can't actually do anything about. We're so used to more everyday problems that might confront us, but which we naturally have a way through. So what we need in this situation is to essentially change our mindset. If we can't change our circumstances, we can change how we think about it. And we need to adopt a very counterintuitive perspective, which is that of a stoic.
16:54 Jemma Sbeg? We need to almost, and it feels unnatural, but relax into all that's terrible. I know that sounds confusing. I know that sounds like, yeah, just like be okay with it, but let me explain what that. Means. So stoicism is an ancient Greek philosophy that basically means weathering the storm that you cannot fight and just letting the waves roll over you. It's about basically enduring hardship even when it is completely utterly uncomfortable. Because the alternative of of fighting and struggling against what you can't control, that alternative is suffering. It's basically saying that when circumstances cannot be changed,
17:37 Jemma Sbeg? the thing that you can control is the level to which you choose to suffer. Some level of suffering is not, you know, optional. But it's almost like when you're being beat down by waves like in in the ocean and you're just like struggling to swim and you're struggling to get your head underwater. And they say, sometimes you just need to float, right? That's what we're going to talk about. Now, this component is very important. You want to think about what you can't control. Because stoicism, it does not mean putting your head in the sand. It does not mean to abandon all activism to stop whatever you're doing. What it really teaches us is that we should only be thinking about what we can control. So our own thoughts, our own actions, our own responses,
18:22 Jemma Sbeg? everything else, like others' opinions, external events like an election, that is ultimately beyond our control. You know, we cast our vote, we educate our family and friends, maybe we campaign. But when the day is done, we can't control how anyone else sees the world. And that is so frustrating. Like, I know the feeling of talking to someone and just wanting to grab them and say, like, can't you see what is happening in front of you? Can't you see this? Like, this is not good. Use your brain. Like, can't you see this the way that I can see this? And that's not something that we have the power over all the time. So stoicism also encourages accepting when things are just shit.
19:05 Jemma Sbeg? Things are just shit right now, but you choose despite it all to close your eyes, breathe in deep and find your inner garden. Find that place within you that no one can touch, that nothing can reach, and sit within that space as everything kind of rages on outside. You have, all of us have, an inner sanctuary that we can kind of water, that helps us endure and be resilient even in the hardest of times. I like to picture, you know, my inner stoic as this giant version of myself, who is being yelled at by someone. Some person is yelling and screaming at me and they are full of hate.
19:49 Jemma Sbeg? But what they don't know is that there is this like shield around me that makes everything really muffled and slow. And as I'm watching them like sweat and scream and spit and get angry, I am untouched by it. I am just observing, even as that, you know, makes them more and more frustrated. This stoic version of me, this image is what I try and bring to these really uncomfortable, unfortunate, terrible situations. Like I am a statue protected by a force field. And as I tune out what I can't control, this like very angry situation, this angry person, I am allowed to tune in and I am able to tune into what I can. So what are the things you can control?
20:34 Jemma Sbeg? You can control your impact on people's lives. You can control the love that you show people. You can control what you give back to your community. You can control your activism, what you create, your vote, your current environment, what you choose to consume, what you choose to believe. And the biggest one for me is I can choose the kindness that I choose to bring to every situation. And this is a really, really important part of my life philosophy. One of the things that has brought me through political uncertainty in Australia, and you know, we had a recent, um, I guess like referendum that was just.
21:14 Jemma Sbeg? Absolutely terrible. And what comforted me then, when the world just seemed very, very ugly and hideous, was that I continued to choose to make people believe in humanity and make them believe in kindness. Every person that I come across, I'm gonna make sure they leave and that they know love. And I will make sure that they exit that interaction and they know that I respect them and I care about them. Like, I will be kindness. I will put back into the world what I wanna see more of. When we have this really deep, personal philosophy in the face of political uncertainty and political anxiety,
21:54 Jemma Sbeg? you know, that can lead to less stress, better mental wellbeing, and a greater sense of of agency or capability. Almost like you have this very deep well that only you can you control and that you can pull from in every single circumstance. And there was an amazing meta-analysis, which is basically um a study of studies about this very thing, about what it means to have a sense of purpose. And it was done in two thousand and twenty-three by the American Psychiatric Association. And what they basically said and what they found was that when you have a deep belief system and something that you trust and that you care about and that you can look at and say, that is why I'm here, this is what I'm gonna bring to situations,
22:38 Jemma Sbeg? it builds greater resilience, um especially when you are exposed to negative or uncertain situations like those that we're seeing in these times. People who had this deep belief system that they could rest upon, they were so much more resilient and able to push push through whatever was going on. And I really, really encourage you to find your version of this. You can you can steal mine if you want. Go for it. Please, go for it. Steal mine. But what is so important is that you have something and you have something that feels like your own and that you can bring to your own universe. And your own universe is, you know, the radius around you, which goes on to touch everyone in your life, that goes on to enter rooms, that goes on to make an impact.
23:24 Jemma Sbeg? Another part of embracing Stoic principles is really focusing on being present. Now, I did do a whole episode on this, I think a little while back, and I cannot remember the number from the top of my head, worth listening to especially right now. But part of knowing what you can control definitely means focusing on what is actually going on in front of you right now. And that really involves reconnecting with your senses. Just pause for a second. What can you see? I want you to look for like five things right now that are the colour green. What is the furthest sound from you that you can hear? Really pause. What is that faraway sound?
24:09 Jemma Sbeg? What parts of your body are touching your chair, are touching your steering wheel, are touching the ground? Really like zone in on where like your skin is connecting to a surface. And in your immediate surroundings, right now, is there any danger present in this moment? You know, in your, in your room, in your car, at the gym, wherever you are, are you actually in physical danger? Is there something that is going to hurt you right now? And the answer is probably not. But the political anxiety we do feel does make us feel like at any point, there is a threat that could come out and do you some serious harm.
24:52 Jemma Sbeg? And we have to try and minimise that feeling. Yes, in the future, you may experience really hard challenges. There will be things that you cannot control that may hurt you. But right now, you cannot be in that state of anticipating those things constantly. The pressure that you put on your body and your mind and like the level of cortisol that you will have flooding through your systems, the way that your immune system is just going to be completely compromised by this constant hypervigilance, that is something that we really do need to minimise. Because then, when something terrible does happen, if it happens, when something, some big change does occur. What that's gonna mean is that you don't actually have the resources to deal with it
25:36 Jemma Sbeg? because you spend a lot of time worrying about it. So right now, I just want you to remember that in the space around you, you are not in danger. And in those moments when you do just feel like all of your emotions, they're rising to the surface, they're like exploding, really rely on the very ancestral old ways, the tried and tested ways that our body can calm itself by reconnecting with nature. Nature is just, it's just so remarkable in moments like this. I want you to go outside like right now. Or after you finish this episode, take your shoes off, take your socks off, plant them like firmly in the dirt, in the grass, in the creek.
26:19 Jemma Sbeg? And you know the saying like, go and touch some grass, like yeah, go and touch some grass. Turns out, you know, that's actually probably something we should be doing more of. There's actually some truth and some serious good to that. There was an article from two thousand nineteen from Harvard Health and it showed that just doing twenty to thirty minutes in nature a day, making that part of your routine, or even just spending it in natural spaces, like eating your lunch outside, it really helped lower hormonal stress levels. Because, you know, nature, the outdoors, when you think about it, like that is the environment in which we belong. That is where our body has naturally learnt to calm itself down. That is where it feels most real and most connected.
27:03 Jemma Sbeg? So in those moments where like everything just feels so loud and angry and just so stressful, I need you to go and access this very important, you know, deep part of you that can feel connected to nature and know that it is safe in that moment. This is also very, very good for climate anxiety. If that is something that you're struggling with specifically right now, it can be very easy and someone who is very anxious about the climate and has many friends who are very anxious about the climate. You know, it's very easy to disaster scenario, especially when you're like inside all day and when you're Locked up in the office. It's like, oh, does nature still exist anymore?
27:46 Jemma Sbeg? Because I don't see it. And all I'm reading in these terrible, terrible news articles, like, it just makes everything feel so much worse. So when you do give yourself the opportunity to go outside and see that there is a lot about our natural world that is still alive. There are beautiful spaces that are still thriving. Just brings you back for a second. I also have a friend who does like nature journaling. So she has a journal, like notebook, and a bunch of like colorful pens. And she will go out into nature and find a flower, a leaf, a riverbed, a rock, anything beautiful. And she will basically journal about that, that situation that she's in, or she'll do it, like, draw a picture of this leaf.
28:28 Jemma Sbeg? And it's actually really, really beautiful. And she highly recommends it. So finding your stoic persona, finding your personal philosophy, and being as present as possible. Those are my first three tips. We are going to take a short break. But when we return, we're going to discuss my final three ways that we can deal with our political anxiety at this time. So we will be right back in just a second.
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30:58 Jemma Sbeg? my stress, my strain is correlating with my mood, with my running performance, with how I'm just feeling day to day. I'm not an elite athlete by any means, but I do really benefit. And I also just really enjoy knowing more about my body. And Whoop also gives me these actionable personalized insights that have made me more intentional and meant that I make smarter decisions day to day about what I need, rather than just putting my foot on the gas and just going, going, going, going. New members can try Whoop with a 30 day free trial before committing to a membership. That's join dot whoop dot com slash psychology for your free month of Whoop. Who out here shops at CBS? Most of you, right?
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33:19 Jemma Sbeg? Following really big political events or like significant turning points when something major happens, our tendency is just to get as much information as possible to find any news site or any story that may tell us something that we don't know. Such a human instinct to know more is to be more aware and is to be more capable and more able to survive. That is really where our hunger for knowledge, especially in these situations, comes from. And we feel very like bitterly and strangely soothed by knowing more, even when the thing we know more about actually makes us wanna like scream and throw up. That is how I felt the like the entire day, the other day was just like,
34:02 Jemma Sbeg? wow, I can't get away from my phone, even though it's making me physically sick. That is the paradox of doom scrolling. Spending so much time online and looking for more information and more sides to like an unfolding story that we actually end up hurting our mental health more than helping it. It is so easy to fall into this trap. And it's one that I certainly have over the years glued to my phone. Even when I know that I'm just gonna feel worse. And the trick is to be informed but not overwhelmed. That is your, that is your equation. Informed but not overwhelmed. And we do that by limiting how much you're allowed to keep investigating.
34:48 Jemma Sbeg? I want you to have environments or points in your day. When you are kind of allowed to be dead to what is happening in the world. Whether that means unfollowing um like news accounts on social media so that you can only read the news on your laptop at work. Uh so that you know, outside of business hours, like you can't read the news, you know, you're still informed. You still know what's going on, but do you really need to know right now in this instance? As soon as you wake up. You know, I found that to be so terrible for me. I would wake up, pick up my phone and it's like, here is a disaster. Here is like a bombing. Here is like, you know, children dead. Here is whatever, like here is Trump winning.
35:28 Jemma Sbeg? I know I said I wouldn't talk specifics, I'm very sorry, but you know, when you wake up and that is the first thing that you see. What you consume is how you feel. It's very much like your media diet. If your media diet is very high in tragic, awful, cruel things. Your tiny brain, your human brain, it cannot hold all of that at the same time. You are not meant to hold all of that information at the same time. Truly, like, think back to how we have evolved to seek information and from who. It was tribal, it was limited. There was not enough.
36:12 Jemma Sbeg? You know, you were never going to have enough information at that given point. To feel like you knew everything that was going on in the world. Because you, you know, as much as like, it's a good thing that we do know so much more about. Our fellow humans and what they're going through. You have to just. Remember that your brain has not evolved to have as much access to information. So it is natural if you just feel completely confronted by that. And especially when our news seeking gets very excessive, you will become burnt out, you will become fatigued. So for the sake of yourself and for the sake of having energy and effort to put towards really important things, to put towards those you love,
36:55 Jemma Sbeg? to put towards your community, to put towards yourself. You do need to find a healthy relationship with not just what news you access, but when you access it. So again, informed but not overwhelmed. Also, just sprinkle some good news in there. You know, there was a landmark study from just a few years ago from a university in Alabama. And it found that people who share and access positive news stories mixed in with their normal news. After two weeks, they reported being happier and more emotionally stable. They felt more optimistic about the future than those who didn't. And it didn't mean that they didn't care. I think sometimes we're like, oh, if I feel optimistic,
37:40 Jemma Sbeg? well, then I'm not going to be motivated to change anything. I'm not going to be motivated to having conversations. I'm just not going to care anymore. Actually, no, we need optimism. We need to believe that things can get better. We need to believe that the world can be brighter. We need optimism more than we need pessimism in times like this. So just remember, if you're feeling like shit, your media diet might be a factor because you are what you consume. So if you need a rest day from chaos and tragedy, no one's going to blame you. No one's going to say that you're being naive or ignorant. You're having a rest day. It's okay. And you know, on a similar point, just as we are what we consume, we are also who we surround ourselves with.
38:25 Jemma Sbeg? The power of community in times when we are experiencing political anxiety cannot be overstated. Community is the most psychologically important thing in times like this. And I know that is a big statement to make, but I just think that. It heals so much. It is so protective when it comes to our mental health during periods of political uncertainty and crisis. And it's so hard going through anything alone, let alone what feels like the world ending, let alone what feels like a complete shift from what you expected. So this is really the time to engage and connect, even when you want to withdraw. And I will say, that is a problem that I have. When I am emotionally
39:10 Jemma Sbeg? confronted by something, when I'm quite stressed, I just feel like I have absolutely nothing in the tank to give to my relationships. So I self isolate. I will pull away. I'll hide away in my house. I don't want to see anyone. I don't want to talk to anyone. I don't want to make plans. I'm not replying to messages. It's a terrible habit of mine, one that I'm trying to break. And the way that I'm trying to break it is just consciously being like, remembering, consciously remembering that when I am around people, I do feel better. Remembering that cause and effect that always typically typically happens. I don't feel better when I self isolate. I do feel better when I'm around other people, especially people that I trust, that I love, that care for me and I care for them. That is community. That is, that is belonging. I will
39:55 Jemma Sbeg? say at the moment, there is a tendency, and I found this in my friendships, to just like, catch up and everyone just has like, it's just like, what the fuck is happening? And just like, wants to talk about so much stuff and just wants to, you know, just wants to just get it off their chest. That's healthy. There is a healthy level of complaining and seeking comfort, especially just feeling shitty together. That's sometimes just one of the most healing things in the world. It's just to be like, great, can we both agree that we're not in a good mood? Can we both agree that we're not feeling great? Beautiful. Now I just feel a little bit less alone. But I do just want you to be conscious of when it gets to a level where you just feel entirely hopeless. That kind of like collective anxiety that we tend to feel when we are in a
40:40 Jemma Sbeg? big group or talking to our friends and everyone's just getting more and more angry and frustrated and scared. That is a symptom of when group psychology kind of lets us down. You know, it's not group think. It's basically this, just that when we are around people that we are close to, we do tend to absorb their emotions and that tends to heighten our own reactions to things. So please be conscious of it, be aware of it. I think that. Having a rant, having a debrief, just getting it off your chest. It it's like a plateau, like it gets healthy to a point. No, it's almost like a. Wow, I can't remember my math, but it's almost like an upside down you and someone's gonna tell me what that is.
41:22 Jemma Sbeg? I just can't remember it right now, but it gets, it it feels healthy to a point and then we flip over and we go down the other side. There is a limit. So be aware of when it's doing more harm than good. I really learnt this from my mum. Um, and I learnt this with my mum. Sometimes she is so passionate about these things. She is such a huge, you know, political and social activist and she cares so deeply about every single human on this earth that sometimes, and I know this is gonna sound insane, but it's too much. It's like, okay. I cannot talk about this at dinner for the fifth night in a row. I cannot get, because I'm gonna get angry. I'm gonna get really frustrated. I'm gonna just feel like so sad and so like.
42:06 Jemma Sbeg? It's, you know, I it just can't do that. You know, there has to be a break for me. So I often just say to her, like, we're gonna do five minutes where you can talk to me about, we can talk to each other about, you know, what kind of terrible news story is going on. We can talk about politics or we can just talk about whatever we want to do with this thing. And then we have to have a break because I don't want my relationship with you to be defined by feeling a heightened level of stress every time that I walk away. Because I feel like all the world's problems are resting on our shoulders. So step away from conversations when you're at your limit. And truly ask yourself, I know it feels like a selfish question, but do ask yourself, like, is this gonna change anything?
42:50 Jemma Sbeg? Is this gonna change anything? Listening to this for like the fifth time today, getting upset about it again. Is it just gonna make me feel worse? And is it just going to mean that when it do, when it does come to doing something, I'm not gonna have the energy for that? This is really what I want to finish on. You need to do something with your anxiety. And the best way to do that is to start giving back. This is a perfect time to really reflect on what you can be doing for those that need it. Our anxiety and distress, it does feel worse when we sit in it. And when we let it get bigger and bigger and bigger by thinking that we can outthink
43:33 Jemma Sbeg? all of the world's problems, that we can outthink how shit the situation is, when we can find a way out. We're going to return to those principles of stoicism. Concern yourself with what you can do and what you can control. And we can control what we give back. Really start to think about a cause that you could get involved in that makes you feel like you can make a difference in your local community. Think we really don't acknowledge how much actually gets done on the backs of people who volunteer their time and who care deeply and give their energy and give their passion and give their money to a cause that they care about. And oh my goodness, do they not make the biggest difference in some people's lives?
44:17 Jemma Sbeg? I want you to find that thing, that thing that really drives you. And often here's a little tip about how you can figure that out. The thing that has most upset you about the situation, the thing that you feel most upset to see threatened. That is what you care about the most. What makes you the angriest, what makes you the most anxious, what really like lights a fire in terms of your sense of justice? That is where you should be devoting your time. Want to take all those feelings and transfer them into a way of giving back. That is just one of the biggest antidotes I have found to any form of anxiety really, but political anxiety in particular. Is really, and I just want to hammer this home.
45:02 Jemma Sbeg? You cannot control, there is so much you cannot control, but your little slice of your world, your little universe. You can control that and you can give back and you can make that space happy. And you can change people through small daily actions of kindness. And you can like, you can seriously change their lives. You can change people's lives by volunteering, by giving back to your community. Feel like it always, you know, as being global citizens and having so much access to the news. It feels like we have to do something big constantly and we have to be like, you know, there's so much that's bad about the world, like, how do I fix it all? You can't, I'm sorry, you can't, but you can, you can focus on something
45:47 Jemma Sbeg? that the people around you need and be that solution in your local area and in your friendship groups and with your family. I also just wanna say a final reminder, it does feel really scary right now. I know that there are a lot of unknowns and I think a lot of us are thinking, how am I gonna be able to cope with this? What's the way forward? Remember that you are capable, you will find a way through, you will survive, you will be okay, even when it feels like you won't be. There are people who love you, there are support systems, there are people who are on the same page as you, who are not going to abandon you. So just focus on the good as much as you can right now. Political anxiety and political uncertainty is an incredibly natural reaction
46:32 Jemma Sbeg? to changing circumstances that feel threatening and dangerous. And it's okay to be feeling that way right now, but you cannot exist in that space forever. There are a lot of things that, I hate to say, like, it's not that you have to get used to them, but it's kind of like, okay, cool, can't change that. What can I change? What can I do? Let's focus on that. Let's really, really lean into my friendships, my community, my kindness, my purpose, my beliefs. This is something that's gonna be very nourishing for me for this time. So I am just sending a whole lot of love and a whole lot of comfort. I hope that this episode has just given you a bit of peace today,
47:17 Jemma Sbeg? made you feel a little bit better about the world. Made you feel like there is a space where you can come to throughout whatever happens. Um, I don't know, for comfort and for peace and for safety. You're always welcome here. Um, your mental health is respected and cared for here and will always be cared for. And I just love that we have such a beautiful little slice of the internet. So thank you so much for listening. I hope you got something from this episode. I hope you enjoyed it. As always, if you did, please feel free to leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you are listening right now. Make sure that you are following along for new episodes. I'm going to do an episode
47:56 Jemma Sbeg? uh specifically on doom scrolling in a couple of weeks because I feel like that's something that, you know, I just couldn't get into in one in like in this episode. There's so much information about it psychologically, emotionally, like scientifically, sociologically as well. So stay tuned for that episode. And if you have anything more you want to say and any suggestions for episodes, you can DM me at that psychology podcast. We would love to hear from you over there. Until next week, stay safe, stay kind, and the most important of all this week, be gentle with yourself. We will talk very, very soon.
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