Ferdi Porsche wants everyone to go racing

Ferdi Porsche is the great-grandson of Porsche's founder but he is definitely making his own way in life. Architect, brand creator, ice race...hoster, and now a karting league owner, Ferdi wants to bring fun to cars and racing to more people (including kids). The intent behind his F. A. T. International karting league - to give more kids access to competitive karting and thus, racing- is one deserving of our attention and support. Relaxed, smart, and intentional. A conversation worth hearing. https://www.instagram.com/ferdiporsche/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/fat.icerace/?hl=en https://www.fat-kartingleague.com/ Recorded October 13, 2025 Show Notes: DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to www.joindeleteme.com slash TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Factor Eat smart at https://www. FactorMeals.com/tire50off and use CODE: tire50off to get 50% off your first box, plus Free Breakfast for 1 Year. Quince Layer up this fall with pieces that feel as good as they look. Go to https://www. Quince.com/TIRE for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That’s quince.com/tire TruWerk Get 15% off your first order at https://www. TRUEWERK.com with code tire New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:43Matt Farah?

  Alright, on this episode, Ferdy Portia is in studio, that's right, as in Portia, the great grandson of Ferdinand Portia is joining us. He is also the founder of Fat International, which you've probably seen or read about, it's kind of everywhere now with their ice racing and now they're talking about a new go-karting league for kids that is helping to not necessarily democratize, but meritocratize, I think that's a word, meritocratize karting to help give young people a pathway into open-wheel motorsports. We're talking about

• 1:23Matt Farah?

  that, special Portias and a whole lot more. Ferdy's in studio, it's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go.

• 1:33Matt Farah?

  You're like, "My name is Portia, I automatically know the material."

• 1:36Speaker 01

  I failed the theory, no. Yeah, I know, but I felt like I do, I felt like I do and then I messed it up on a stupid question about like how old you have to be to sit in the front.

• 1:46Matt Farah?

  They put in questions that don't matter. That, I mean, that's a lot of-

• 1:52Speaker 01

  For safety and it does kinda matter.

• 1:54Matt Farah?

  No, in America, they ask you shit that doesn't matter the second you're handed the card. Like, there are things that do matter, such as staying to the right, that they don't emphasize nearly enough.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  The further away you get from the driver's license, the less you like-

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  We need some retesting in this country, for sure. Yeah. But as you've learned from your time in California, like, there aren't really laws here, so it's okay.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  That's a good thing, no?

• 2:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, it's fun sometimes. Sometimes it's a good time, sometimes you just need to get a car from point A to point B and it's not registered and what the fuck you gonna do?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  You know that all Germans dream of living in the US, right? We grow up with your music, we grow up with your cinema, we like every German, the US is kind of the benchmark.

• 2:37Matt Farah?

  It's kind of funny.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Everything is free here, I mean it's Of course, complete bullshit.

• 2:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's complete bullshit.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  But like, we dream of the US as like this, like the American dream very much lives in our heads.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  Don't worry.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  It lives in a lot of our heads, too.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  We're all hoping to achieve that dream one day.

• 2:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know what's going on, yeah, grass is always greener, my friend.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  What our biggest export, I think, is pop culture, entertainment, etc., so it makes sense that you just

• 3:02Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 3:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  We get it.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Music, cinema.

• 3:05Matt Farah?

  Michael Jackson was a very powerful character. Pepsi and Coke fucking put a lot of money into this shit.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 3:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, um, dude, it's nice to meet you. This is now the show, this is it, we're here now, yeah, thanks for coming down, yeah.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  Required, like, scheduling and everything, we were at the same event all day on Saturday, I didn't even see you fucking once.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was big, no, six thousand, like, six thousand people, I think?

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  It was, it was four thousand nine hundred and ninety-eight people is the correct number of people that were there. Yeah, trust me, um, and I thought it went really well, though, we haven't, we haven't done a show since, uh, since going back, Zach was there as well, we did a show in the morning.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, we met.

• 3:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, and, uh, it was, uh, I thought it was a really, really fun event, yeah, did you have fun?

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Dude, it was great, I think, yeah, I had a lot of fun, I even got to drive a little, which I think not many

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  On track or in carts?

• 3:56Speaker 01

  On track, no, not in carts, the carts are for the kids.

• 3:58Matt Farah?

  I drove a cart.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  You did?

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I drove a cart.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Hours?

• 4:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I was gonna talk about it, I walked over there, someone, there was a group text with Ali on it, said, be at the kart track at one. And I went over to the kart track at one, and one of the people on your team said, oh, Matt, get over here, try one of these, we're doing, we're doing a race, and I went, it was a fucking blast. I had a great time, me and, uh, Graham Smith had a real fucking battle.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  It was mega, I didn't know that.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, I opened a gap, and then I got, like, way aggressive in one of the braking zones and looped it into the gravel, and he went by like this, that was fucking great. These electric carts are fun, and I wanna circle back to karting, but it was fun.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:39Matt Farah?

  But you drove what, on Streets of Willow?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:42Matt Farah?

  In what?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  No, I drove the Big Willow, right, the streets is the one that they already, like, repaved?

• 4:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I drove the Big Willow, in a C4 lightweight. You know the ice race livery.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the white one, right?

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:53Matt Farah?

  I saw that car. It's fucking sick. That's a lovely car.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  And also, I was, when I got there, Zach and I got there super early to set up for the podcast, whatever, and the the fat, uh, corral.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:05Matt Farah?

  Uh, was there. And the first thing we noticed was that you were using an Arnage as a merch booth, which is one of the best uses of a Bentley Arnage possible.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  I've never driven one, but they do look, they do look gangster.

• 5:17Matt Farah?

  That, I would have thought that that would be.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Did you drive it up there or back down?

• 5:20Speaker 01

  We drove it there on a truck, I think.

• 5:23Matt Farah?

  No, you should, yeah, you should drive one of them.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would, I would love to, yeah.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  That would be a perfect car to commute.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  They're probably good value, like, right? They're not, they're not expensive these days.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  They are cheap.

• 5:33Matt Farah?

  They're cheap and they're expensive to maintain.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  You know?

• 5:36Matt Farah?

  They're expensive to keep running.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 5:38Matt Farah?

  Which is why. But if you, if you want to use one every day, then they're good.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:41Matt Farah?

  You have to use them a lot.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  It's a great car.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  Our friend Alana Shear, who writes about cars for a lot of people, mainly Car and Driver, just bought one to use as a daily driver.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  I think it's working out okay.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  For here, you sit in traffic so much, it's the perfect, I mean, I drove around the Seafoal Light with the last few days. It's not the perfect car for LA.

• 5:56Matt Farah?

  No, it is not.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Cause you're in traffic the whole time. It's loud as.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:00Matt Farah?

  You can say fuck. It's okay.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 6:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, it's loud as fuck.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Loud as fuck.

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  No, yeah, that's, LA is a, is a two-car solution kind of town. You have your traffic car and then you have your, your fun car. Yeah. In your, in this case, your Porsche. In other people's cases, you see some other things.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:14Matt Farah?

  My case, Porsche as well. Um, but, uh, yeah, dude, I really, I really thought Willow, um, did, it looks great. The buildings look great. Track looks great.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  It's, it's an amazing, I mean, the, the history alone already makes it cool, I think. There's so much heritage, right?

• 6:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Ken Miles.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  Built in nineteen fifty-three and never fucking once updated.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Also, the light makes everything look better over there. And like, the desert is also a good backdrop. I think it's a great place.

• 6:41Matt Farah?

  But it's really funny, I was telling Sam and, and these other guys, cause it was really windy and dusty, which is like,

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:46Matt Farah?

  what happens there. I mean, that's, that's what it is. It's like, man, you guys got a lot of money, but you cannot fucking buy the wind away out here.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  I thought the wind was nice though, because otherwise it would have been way too hot.

• 6:56Matt Farah?

  It is nice, unless you leave the top down for ninety minutes in your 718 Spyder and you come back to find just a

• 7:05Matt Farah?

  It was bad, it was really bad. Zach left his windows cracked.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  I did, I left the window cracked so people could see my new interior and then I saw the wind kick up and I went, oh.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  Oh no.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  Everywhere.

• 7:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can't beat, you can't beat the elements there, but it looks beautiful.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  That is a nice, that is a very California thing though, right? Leaving the top down.

• 7:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Just never, just not minding, putting it up. You can never live like that in Germany, like in Austria. It's always raining like every second day.

• 7:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, on the 718 Spyder press, Spyder RS press launch, I had to take the top up and off and put it back on, I think, four times in six hours.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Where was that?

• 7:42Matt Farah?

  In, in the roads that Andy Poyntinger likes outside of Stuttgart. Yeah, you prob, I, I couldn't tell you what the roads are, but you probably like know what they are.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  I have no idea, honestly.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  I didn't grow up in Stuttgart. I mean, I am there quite often, but.

• 7:56Matt Farah?

  You must have, yeah. You don't know where the Porsche people drive outside of Stuttgart? It's there. It's whatever that is. Yeah. So where, so where did you grow up?

• 8:04Speaker 01

  In Munich.

• 8:05Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. My mom's in the movie business and that's kind of in Munich and my dad was between Stuttgart and Salzburg, so back and forth.

• 8:12Matt Farah?

  Okay. And you're an architect now?

• 8:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I studied architecture in Vienna.

• 8:17Matt Farah?

  And was that always a dream for you?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I think I kind of wanted to do my, like I, I like having my own thing, right? Like I think if you come from my family, it's kind of easy to be like.

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Caught in, in a sense and like, um, I always wanted to do my own, like I, I love studying something that gives you like a hard skill and then you can do something, like I didn't want to, like after school, I was like, okay, now I have like all the options, like what do I do?

• 8:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Can't, like, business, boring, like what do I do after, right? Um, so architecture was one thing that I was always interested in and I kind of like. The idea of changing a place and making it nicer and like I have, I think every architect has this like feeling of like it would like, let's try to make the world a better place. And it's like, you know, it's a very optimistic job until you actually do the job.

• 9:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  The planners, the engineers show up.

• 9:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, the, the, the, the building a, an integrated space and all that stuff. Yeah, do you have a favorite like, is it homes, is it like big commercial buildings or whatever?

• 9:15Speaker 01

  No, I really like, like, I really like signing, so it's whatever. So we have, we have a lot of car related projects. I wonder why. And then we did everything from a small bar in Vienna that we just did the interior to like a lung practice with apartments on top to renovating an old castle to, yeah, so it's all different, all different jobs. And then like, obviously, like my, my master's thesis, for example, I redesigned one of these auto grill bridges in Italy.

• 9:39Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  So like always kind of wanted, like always try to kind of merge the two worlds.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Those are like the big rest stop, like it's a huge bridge you go inside.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  For terrier thing.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you know, Germans, like we don't like holiday at home. So we always go other places and kind of this, seeing that bridge for the first time always means like you're on holidays. Cause it's like you've entered Italy. And so they have like this kind of romantic, like it's a really romantic thing nowadays, kitsch maybe even. But I think back in the days, it was a very like optimistic era, right? It was the car was like there for the first time and like people would drive the motorway. The motorway was new and like everything was very positive. And you would like look over the Italian countryside and like lots of cars driving fast underneath you. It's a different.

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a not high end, but it's like a more relaxed rest area where you're eating and kind of spending.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  The high end comes from the quality of like the food and stuff.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  Right, but that's just the whole, that's the whole country.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  The espresso is one euro and it's.

• 10:34Matt Farah?

  That's the whole, we'll never figure that out here, you know, but like, but we also have a certain type of restaurant that doesn't exist there.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  The sort of like bistro, like the sort of like bistro-y type restaurant, like they have the, those, the, the, for lack of a better term, the gas station restaurants, which are actually quite good, uh, which they have sort of, you know, instead of a lot of the McDonald's and shit like that. But then we have a restaurants that are like a one notch above that, that they kind of don't have. And they skip to the next level to like a little more fine dining, traditional.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess probably the Auto Grill is like the only kind of like car focused

• 11:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  thing, right? Like car focused restaurant, I would say in Italy, like, because the cities are so dense, etc. It's probably different here, right? Here, you probably drive to every restaurant.

• 11:21Matt Farah?

  Unfortunately, unfortunately, you have to.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  The cities are just different, right?

• 11:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're set up for, yeah.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  But yeah, so I always kind of like liked sort of skipping from or like jumping back and forth from cars and architecture.

• 11:32Matt Farah?

  When you were doing like car projects, the Auto Grill is one, but were you doing like car museum, car storage facility? Or like man cave kind of shit?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did like, just for the fun of it, we did, we designed a version for the Peterson, then like how the Peterson could look if it would be redone. And like just for the fun of it, right? And then we also, um, there is a collector outside of Vienna who wanted us to design a garage for him where he could keep his cars. Didn't happen so far, but it's gonna happen one day. Um, and yeah, so the Mankai we designed, so you know,

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  our, our coffee stop on the highest mountain in Austria where we like with.

• 12:06Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, that's pretty cool. I mean, that's like, when I think of your, your brand, Fat,

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:12Matt Farah?

  I wanna, I wanna talk about this is really, because it's, when I first saw it, it was really one of those like, alright, what are these people actually doing? Like, what, you know, like, what, it's cool, though, it's looks cool, fat, it's on a bunch of like merch and cars, but like, you know, like same as like, you know, our friends, uh, Jacob and over at Race Service.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  You know, like they have a shop, but like, what are you guys actually doing here? Uh, but then you built this coffee shop on top of the mountain and I was like, oh, that's very pretty. What is going on there? So you're, you're doing architecture, you're dipping your toe in various car projects. And then you decide to maybe get into a little bit of ice racing.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:49Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Ice racing kind of started the whole thing, actually.

• 12:50Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Um, so I was in the middle of uni still, um, and kind of stumbled across this ice race because my dad had bought a car, um, that used to race in the, in the historic ice races. So from the fifties to the seventies in Salamzey in Austria, they had, um, they were racing on the frozen lake and they had like five fifties and like three five sixes and all different sorts of cars. And it was like 10,000 people there and it just looked, I never heard about this before, right? So I'd like, because of that car. I kind of researched and then I thought hmm.

• 13:20Matt Farah?

  It's one of the coolest looking sports like photographically, it just looks like beautiful.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  And I thought like there was a real chance to bring this back into our like day and age, right? Everything is very Instagrammable in a sense. Maybe I could do my version of like, like, how do you do in a car event that would attract a younger crowd? Maybe people who don't like cars yet, but who would actually like them because I always, I was always like studying architecture, but obviously having a car background. Architects aren't the biggest fans of cars, right? Because like they want the cities to be like freed of them and blah, blah, blah. So I think there was always, but there is a like, there are, there are many connections between those things, right? And I think the car is like the perfect conversation starter. It's like engineering, it's design. It's like so many people can see different things in cars that they like. So I always thought like, it's actually kind of weird that like not everybody loves cars. We should change that.

• 14:10Matt Farah?

  I think people like pretty cars. I think people kind of get it when they, when they see a car like doing its specialty, if it has one, people get that. Like, I mean, just, you know, my wife is an example. You know, she doesn't really know much about cars or really care about driving dynamics. But if she sees something that's striking, she goes, well, wow, look at that, you know? She's on Facebook Marketplace like, can I buy this? And it's like a fucking Daihatsu K truck. I'm like, no, no, no. She's no, I must have this. I'm like, we don't need a mini dump truck, baby. But, but like, and there are people that really don't get it, but like, how do you look? And we've got a picture up of what looks like a nine, five, nine or some type of Porsche rally car towing a skier,

• 14:55Matt Farah?

  which that's the best version of ice racing is towing the skier.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  That is the best version of it, yes.

• 14:59Matt Farah?

  That's.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  No, honestly, I think maybe to your point.

• 15:02Matt Farah?

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• 19:33Speaker 01

  I think like maybe the pretty cars get you into it.

• 19:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  I think like through that, you might like learn and appreciate like what cars do for society or what they did for society and maybe how to use them in a more like in a smarter sense sometimes, right? So I think the K cars for example are a great example.

• 19:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Mobility in a smart.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Small.

• 19:51Matt Farah?

  Can you believe that like there's like local governments in our country that are like trying to make them illegal here?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  Specifically make them illegal?

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think if you do have a crash with that versus.

• 20:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you're not.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  Some big pickup truck, it's probably not the best.

• 20:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you're not gonna damage something else. You know, if you you get into a K truck, you know you're gonna fucking die in a crash. You're no one's, nobody thinks that you're not. That's land of personal responsibility kinda stuff.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:18Matt Farah?

  Surprisingly, I've seen more actual personal responsibility type stuff in Germany than I've ever seen in America. I've been to Oktoberfest, that spinny fucking disc thing. They that shit would never fly in LA, dude.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, although I was kinda surprised that we like were allowed to do this like skiering thing. I mean, it's a cool like, back in the days, they used to do this like as a mass start. So like multiple cars would start at the same time with skiers in the back. We're not allowed to do that anymore. So now it's like a time thing.

• 20:45Matt Farah?

  And they do it with horses before that?

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Well, they do that in Steamboat.

• 20:48Matt Farah?

  With horses?

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 20:50Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Down the main street.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they do it in Montana also. I mean, speaking of ice races, we're bringing that to Montana next year. Like they do the skiering with horses in Montana too.

• 20:58Matt Farah?

  Well, it should be part of ice racing, right?

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  At the end, maybe, once the, once the cars don't need the ice anymore, like let the horses fucking have a whack at it.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  My friends and I did this in high school and it was a great time. We just towed each other around the snowy parking lot like snowboarding. So fun.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, last race of the, last race of the event is the one horsepower cup.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Sadly, I ripped my biceps already doing it once.

• 21:20Matt Farah?

  I bet.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta do the street.

• 21:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I bet you.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  If it's not like in, like if the rope isn't in tension, like.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Get that window.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You probably want, do you, maybe, is there an optimized situation where there's a bridle that's like almost got a shock absorber in it to sort of reduce that? Or are you, or just like?

• 21:40Speaker 01

  That's very like, I don't know, we do it like with the easier way.

• 21:43Matt Farah?

  We don't need an engineering source.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  He'll make, he'll make something.

• 21:49Matt Farah?

  But it does look fucking good.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  No, so we did like ice race, the whole idea was basically to do an event that is like fun over speed, that's the motto of it also. How do you get like a different crowd of people in into this? Plus, obviously, everybody who's already excited about cars and the people who bring the cool shit, but also like the a younger generation, like people who do maybe don't understand it that much yet or have no like no way to entry yet, but maybe seek it, right? Because it is a cool.

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  Well, and it's always meeting.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  People with it and it's a very, as I said, like cars are just a good conversation starter.

• 22:20Matt Farah?

  It's like it all, it's also really accessible. Like, you know, if you're standing either like where these people are on the up on the berms, you know, it it it looks amazing in these still photos, but in reality, it it's sideways and fairly slow. And so you've got people that are willing to drift a Miura that might otherwise have been like, absolutely not, because it's such a low risk environment, but it ends up looking really cool. And people get to hear him like revving the snot out of this thing. And so unlike just the concours or whatever, it's like it's in motion.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:52Matt Farah?

  That makes it exciting.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I that's another angle that I like. It makes people use their cars and in environments that they would probably usually don't really do that. So it's kind of this like absurd festival vibe.

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  People getting together and like having a good time in the snow, ideally with not.

• 23:09Matt Farah?

  I'm I look, I'm coming this year to Montana. I heard about it. I'm already in that where I talked to Philip. We're getting it spikes for my radial manx.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 23:18Matt Farah?

  He has a spot on the truck. I'll have to put the all weather covers on the seats, but like, and you know, let's go, right?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  What are they for?

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  The all weather covers? Dude, the only thing about my manx that's like less than perfect is that the seats are not waterproof. I don't wish they were because they're gorgeous, but.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  What are the seats?

• 23:38Matt Farah?

  Leather. They're like the sport buckets, but they put heating elements in them for me. It's awesome. So it'll be perfect for ice racing.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  That is perfect.

• 23:46Matt Farah?

  But they made some like nice covers for once. So for when I wash it, they don't get completely wrecked. They do, Philip does, they do a good work over there.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Manks is a great.

• 23:55Matt Farah?

  Manks is the shit.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Manks is the shit.

• 23:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're gonna, they're, they're, they're, it's so much fun to drive that.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the best California vehicle.

• 24:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, do you have one yet? Or they just, do they just let you borrow one?

• 24:06Speaker 01

  On the list.

• 24:06Matt Farah?

  You are?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  But he borrows me one of those.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  Okay, are you gonna put a Porsche motor in yours?

• 24:10Speaker 01

  I don't know yet. Yeah.

• 24:12Matt Farah?

  I, I recommend it.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  He, he just built one with a four cam, right?

• 24:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  That's pretty cool.

• 24:17Matt Farah?

  That was, it was there. It was at Willow, that gray one.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was in the fat paddock.

• 24:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but that, dude, that thing is like, that's like half a million bucks for one of those engines. You could build, you could do just like a hot rod, you know.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  It's like the electric version, to be honest.

• 24:29Matt Farah?

  They're cool.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think like, like, it's just a vibe.

• 24:31Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Okay, obviously.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Dude, electric with spike tires would be, you do wheelies.

• 24:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that would be fun.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  The Taycan, speaking of electric, the Taycan is one of the most fun cars for, for ice race.

• 24:43Matt Farah?

  Did you go to Finland?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  All the power, all the, yeah, that's one, like, that's, that's one reason why I was so fond of ice racing and why I maybe decided to also do this. Because my dad gave my brother and me a weekend in Finland, kind of like driving school, right? My brother made his, uh, did his driving license. He was eighteen, I was twenty-one, and he was like, okay, guy, boys, you gotta learn how to drive, let's go to Finland.

• 25:06Matt Farah?

  Port to Porsche Ice experience?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  That was so nice.

• 25:08Matt Farah?

  I went up there, it was unbelievable.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  It was so good.

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have so many tracks.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:13Matt Farah?

  Like, what were you, what did you drive?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Uh, everything. I think from like four-wheel drive, stuff, so turbo, uh, but also like rear-wheel drive, everything.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  Did you drive Taycons?

• 25:22Speaker 01

  No, there were no Taycons back then.

• 25:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  I'm older than I look.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  All right, they had, they have them up there now. They're supposed to be just unbelievable. Yeah. I got to drive GT4 RS.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  And like four-wheel drive is more, like, is arguably more fun in, like, on the ice.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  You can just be like more sideways.

• 25:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I drove the GT4 RS Club Sport on spikes and it was the greatest. The power was ace. But now they have, now they have Taycons up there, they have that cool, like, the, the turbocharger. You've seen the giant, like, truck thing?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  The turbo GT thing?

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. They're, they're huge semi-truck that they use to charge the things. They can charge. There's ten Tycons at once. That shit is nuts. Yeah, they built a whole barn around it.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  The coolest thing they had when I was there was a nine eighteen.

• 26:08Matt Farah?

  Sick.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Had a nine eighteen on spikes, but they wouldn't use that on the small tracks. They used it on the big roads to lead to the track and they didn't let me drive it also.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  Oh, what a bummer.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  But like one of the instructors took us like on a fast run through like basically on all the roads that would lead to the different tracks like full speed. That was insane.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Nine eighteen rally car.

• 26:26Matt Farah?

  That's pretty, that's pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what?

• 26:30Speaker 01

  That was nuts.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  What would be your, your, your, so you like, you like four wheel drive for, for ice?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:36Matt Farah?

  Okay. So for you, it's your lightweight C four is just it.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  That's the perfect.

• 26:40Matt Farah?

  That's the jam? Okay, okay.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  I think that's the perfect. It's loud. Four wheel drive, you can adjust it. It can, can be a little more real, right? You know, like.

• 26:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, it has the bias?

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So it's, that's pretty cool.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  Like, is that like out of nine five nine? That piece of tech?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  It's out of nine five three.

• 26:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, nine, yeah, yeah, from before that.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Very first.

• 27:01Matt Farah?

  That's like the Jackie Ick shit.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 27:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  But yeah, I think he also drove nine five nine.

• 27:05Matt Farah?

  He did later, but he drove nine five three first.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Was the first of the car, Porsche.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  The narrow body one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one I saw in Stuttgart that says, original dirt never wash on the window. It's like filthy and there's a huge sign on it. Original dirt never wash.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:21Matt Farah?

  Alright, cool. Got it.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:25Matt Farah?

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• 28:11Matt Farah?

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• 30:42Speaker 01

  I mean, the word fat is one reason, right?

• 30:44Matt Farah?

  It's a good word.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  You know, like, it's, it's, it kind of encapsulates everything. And, no, so jokes aside, we did ice race twice before covid, so two thousand nineteen and twenty. And as I said, that was more of a, yo, it would be so cool if this would be back, why not do it? So it was more of like a why not approach? And then during covid, um, I obviously figured that I might have a bit like an ice race free year, basically. And I thought there is some like potential here, right? Like, there was already kind of a community building around ice race. People would go for drives in the summer. Uh, the partners were kind of excited about it. I was excited about it because I met so many cool people through it and it was kind of, it was just fun to organize that, right? It was like a big, big, big birthday party.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Not my birthday, but it was just a very like nice thing to like meet people, etc. So I figured there is some potential there and then I kind of thought, okay, but like if I have ice race only, then like I can never do something in the summer or it's gonna be hard to do other stuff, right? I was kind of like, I always loved clothes and sneakers and like product in general. So I thought like, I, I wanna be able to do more things with like what I've started there. And so I looked through all the Le Mans winning cars of Porsche because I figured maybe like ice race, I would find something with heritage that doesn't exist anymore that you could kind of like bring back and revive. And it took like two and a half minutes and I stumbled across.

• 32:01Matt Farah?

  Like, wait, there's a brand called Fat?

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I live like ninety seven and ninety four, Fat International, sponsor of Le Mans winning Porsche. And I'm like, what the fuck is Fat International?

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  And, yeah.

• 32:11Matt Farah?

  A shipping company, right?

• 32:13Speaker 01

  It used to be a shipping company, um, for fashion from Paris to like from France to Germany. So it stands for Français à Mont-Transit. Um, which I like another layer that I really liked, right? The truckers, kind of the underdog story, right? The truckers that go and like win Le Mans. I think that's also kind of a good. And then it kind of had this like street style name, right? Like this, like very, like it kind of encapsulated everything that ice race laid out. And it felt like the perfect sort of umbrella brand for what we wanted to do. And now we're kind of building and building around.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it seems to be like working. I mean, I actually think you guys are like. The brand like sort of aesthetic is like pretty similar, I think, to what Manks is doing. You guys just don't have a car to sell. You know, you're on, you're doing, you're doing events and stuff like and other products. Huh? Do you? You selling cars now? I mean.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I have a fatty portion.

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  I mean, no. I thought you don't, I thought you don't work there. Are we selling cars? Are we selling fucking cars or not?

• 33:13Speaker 01

  We don't sell cars. Yeah, no, Fat doesn't sell cars.

• 33:15Matt Farah?

  I, yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  We build little go-karts.

• 33:17Matt Farah?

  Well, yes, we can, yes, go-kart, go-karting is a different story, but like, you know, you just, the, the, the aesthetic is similar, just in service of different stuff.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think similar to like, you mentioned Manks, like what is their tagline is miles for miles? And I mean, it's similar, right? Like with Fat, I want to create something that is like fun and open to like accessible and, and exciting and like I, I, like the whole, like if you think back to all those like old liveries and if you look at old photos of, of motorsport, everything always is so aesthetically pleasing and nice and the cars look nice and the, the, like some graphic designer took a lot of like, made a lot of effort for everything to align well and to look good. So I kind of want to bring that like effort back into what we do.

• 34:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, when there's like five sponsors, not 50.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  That probably also made a difference.

• 34:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  But I think it's also the way it's like layouted, layout, layouted.

• 34:10Matt Farah?

  Laid out.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Laid out.

• 34:11Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Um, so.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  There it is.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  Original dirt, don't wash.

• 34:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, so, all right, so how many, we're doing Montana in February.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:24Matt Farah?

  Um, and can people enter, buy tickets? What do they look, was it just Fat Ice Race? Just search for that?

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, search for Fat Ice Race and or go to fat-international.com and buy tickets. So it's an open event. Um, it's the second time that we're coming to the US, but the first time that it's really like for, for, for, for more people, right? Like we, uh, in theory have almost as much space as in, uh, Austria where we do it. So it's like probably like 4,000 people. Um, and you can also enter your car. We haven't, we haven't decided yet who the 50 or 60 lucky people are that, that are driving. And it's a two day event. It's a parties in the evening and it's like, yeah, exactly what we do in in Austria, but we're gonna try to make this the American version of it, so.

• 35:09Matt Farah?

  And also Montana skiing, fucking chilling. Maybe we uh, maybe we have to road trip it in something as well. Maybe we can bring the maybe we can bring the you know what?

• 35:22Matt Farah?

  A silver car.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Where's the silver?

• 35:26Matt Farah?

  The car that's downstairs, Zach. There's a car that's downstairs.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Well, there's thirty five cars down.

• 35:32Matt Farah?

  No, no, but there's one that's for a thing. Never mind. We have another, another interesting idea. We'll talk about it later. We can't talk about it in the show.

• 35:45Matt Farah?

  Sorry. Excuse me. Excuse my friend. He's a moron.

• 35:51Matt Farah?

  It's okay. Sometimes I'm a moron too. Um, when you, I mean, look, when you're, when your last name is Portia, obviously there's like everybody has fucking expectations of you.

• 36:04Matt Farah?

  Which there's probably like a lot of pressure. Probably also kinda cool, right? Like when you're like, like when you're sixteen and your name is Portia, is that awesome?

• 36:15Speaker 01

  I feel like it's getting more awesome the older you become and the more like you have found your own thing, right?

• 36:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Then I feel like it's, it's a really cool thing. When you're sixteen, I think like, or the younger you are, I feel like you still wanna kind of like fit in and not like. Um, so I felt like in school, like I always rather wanted like, anyways, I went to a public school in, in, in Germany. So it was always kind of like, I always had like friends from all different tribes of life and it was always like, um, yeah, I always just wanted to fit in the sense and be my own character. But of course, like it comes with upsides and downsides. The upside is you can drive like really cool cars.

• 36:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. That's a, no, that's like a solid perk.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  That is a really good perk.

• 36:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  And especially if you really like the things also. So kind of growing up, going to all different car events and like always close to the brand in a sense. It's, it's an advantage that, that the product is cool and that you actually can fall in love with it.

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  Do you have a relative that you don't? Don't have to name or anything, but for whom the name is like a full on curse, like hates cars, just wishes they never had to talk about it ever.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  No, nobody hates cars.

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  Alright, alright.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  I think everybody likes cars. Like everybody kind of sees the, I mean, it's also a cool like, um, it's, you know, it's, it's in a sense, it's a family business, right? Now it's like super big and probably not your typical family business in a sense anymore. Um, but everybody kind of has a nice relation to the brand, I want to say. I think people are in general proud also of like,

• 37:44Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  I don't know what their forefathers have done in a sense. There's stuff to learn from them in a positive, in a negative way. And like, I think it's just a cool, like it's a crazy history also, right?

• 37:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is. It's a good history and it's a history that the, the fans of the brand have done a very good job of keeping alive.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 38:03Matt Farah?

  With their own magazines and movies and television shows and museums and, and whatever. And then Porsche, really at kind of the right time in

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  The global car enthusiasm said, hey, wait a minute, we better start publicly, you know, finding ways to support our own history as being one of, you know, motorsport and aesthetic and color and material and everything.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Porsche is one of the few luxurious brands, I want to say, even though like, it's one of the few brands that has a luxurious product.

• 38:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  That is at the same time very accessible. You know, I think that started from like the nine twelve's and people like modifying them and like, we won't punish people who like, fuck with our cars in a sense.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Ferrari kind of like, we'll never sell you a car again.

• 38:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Porsche is a very like open, um, community driven thing in a sense, right?

• 38:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Instant friends and they just like love the brand, I think for, for its values, right? For building lightweight, smart, I don't know, form follows function, for like continuing the same silhouette over like

• 39:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  sixty years and like, I think like people really buy it, like there's a huge fan base.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Well, it's a good glue for that fan base to stretch across a bunch of generations. And I think that's what really helps them. And also, the cars have stood up to that reputation over a number of decades. So they were cool in the 60s, they're cool now. The quality is pretty good and consistent across the whole like life cycle. And I think all of that means it just has a more powerful magnet for everyone to be a fan of it. Doesn't matter what generation they're a fan of.

• 39:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And the cars, you know, if you, if you, I think if you have a 911 for the weekends, you're likely to get a Macan or a Cayenne or a Panamera for every day because you enjoy interacting with that type of machine. And even if it's, you know, front engine and heavy or electric or whatever, that, the way that it, it, you know, that the steering wheel feels in your hands, the way the driving position is set up and all that. You go, well, this is, this is set up for someone who gives a shit about the driving position. It's not just like, you know, like, not to shit on them too much, but like the Volkswagen Golf R has a fabulous driving position.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  The fucking Tiguan does not. You know what I mean? Like, and so, like, it's not, it's not as consistent in that way.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's just a different, like, obviously Porsche is focused on people who like to drive, right?

• 40:35Matt Farah?

  But I have, like, my wife has a, has a Taycan Cross Turismo, which is a Cross Turismo 4, which is like the softest Taycan that exists. Air suspension, like, soft. And like, still feels, still feels like,

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Still handles well.

• 40:48Matt Farah?

  Still does, still gets it done, you know, anyway. So enough, enough sucking up to Porsche, but I happen to like them.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  I like that too, me too.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, Freddie, push the mic up a little bit. I think I sagged on you.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, and turn, turn, tighten that, that crank there, please. Yeah, yeah, cool. Do, okay. And, and one more, one more family question, and then I want to talk about karting. Do, when your last name is Porsche?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  I have, I have been, I have been into Stuttgart, you know, as a guest of Porsche. And I've seen cars. I've seen cars that don't exist.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  Okay, so when you, is there a milestone, when your last name is Porsche, when do you get to order a car that doesn't exist? Like, I wanna Targa, I wanna Targa with a GT3 RS engine in it.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't do that.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  Okay, alright, you don't get, they don't give you the keys to those kingdoms? You gotta be up, okay. Maybe when you're like fifty or something?

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 41:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  No, I don't think it's an age, I don't think it's an age question. I think it depends on like, do you have a role in the company, like, do you work there?

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  Right, right.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  I think it's, it's still like a meritocratic, like.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, you gotta, you have to earn cars that don't exist.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  For sure, it's really cool to be in Stuttgart, right? Because it has all of that family history thing. But it's not like, when my dad was young and he just had keys to the factory, right? Because like, it was a tiny thing.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  So it's not like that anymore. I once didn't get in.

• 42:12Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:14Matt Farah?

  What do you mean?

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I once like, I wanted to visit my dad and like, I don't know why, but like, I wasn't on the list, so I had to wait and I took ages and like, they were like, yeah, but like.

• 42:26Matt Farah?

  Hey, the, the name though, do you see that? That's crazy.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it didn't work.

• 42:29Matt Farah?

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  No, but that's cool also, right? Because in a sense, like, the whole thing is growing and like, it's, like, it's fine.

• 42:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, yeah, it's, obviously it hasn't bothered you this whole time, no?

• 42:39Speaker 01

  No. No, I'm pretty.

• 42:42Matt Farah?

  But alright, sorry, we're, we're, so that's a shame, no builds that don't exist, but some of those.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  I mean, I've seen some of them.

• 42:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Famous garage, right, of the, like, where the Porsche museum keeps all the, like, one-offs and the test cars.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've been there, it's awesome.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  That is so nice.

• 42:56Matt Farah?

  It's the best. Those weird, you know, the weird stuff with the missions equipment hanging off the back? And it's like, that's a Cayenne body, but like, on a 911, it's, it's great, just freak show cars.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Cool stuff.

• 43:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  And it's also really cool how the, the cars have been developed back in the days and like, what's still, like, also still, like, how many crazy, like, things they glue together.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Like, kind of test the most random.

• 43:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, there's like a 924 with a bunch of shit hanging off it that's been there for like forty years? And there's also like a 918 with the same looking shit.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, or the Cayenne Cabriolet.

• 43:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, that stuff is great. That's what I will. I'd be like, yo, give me the keys to that funky looking prototype.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Sadly doesn't work.

• 43:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know. I would demand it, but I understand why it doesn't work.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  You can in my name if you want to.

• 43:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Demand it, bro.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  Let's get a petition going that if your name is, this is like, I once went to the factory where they build the engines for the Corvette ZO6s. And I found that the people who hand build the engines don't ever get to try a car. And that was very sad to me. Like, you're building engines all day, your whole life, like, that are going in these cars, like, come on, like, a taste? It's the same kind of thing. Porsche, you should get to have.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  That's another thing about Porsche that I really like. Like, the people that work for the company are like, super hyped to be there, right? Like, it's a, as much as the fans do like it, I think the people that work there are also like, have the feeling that they're part of something like really cool and they're building something cool.

• 44:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, it's fucking sweet. I like my cars too. They make a nice product. And I get to do, I get to do a thousand miles in a 918 in two weeks. Should be pretty, pretty alright. In Georgia, out of Atlanta, I get to do a lap through the Smoky Mountains and come back.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  It's one of the best cars.

• 44:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I've never really spent much time in one. Like, ten minutes, I'm super excited.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Me neither. I mean, not much, right? I've, I've been in one and I've driven one, but like, not a thousand miles.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I know, I had to like, beg for this.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Was it a petition?

• 44:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right. Um, karting. So, you, the, the, the actual, like, real reason that you're here, just being, being, uh, being cool and being in town doesn't count, unfortunately, no.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  But, uh, um, the reason that, uh, that you, your, your folks got in, in touch with me is because you're starting a karting league. Have started a karting league, Fat Karting.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:13Matt Farah?

  And why? What are we doing here? What's the deal?

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Okay, so like, when we, when we came up with the idea of Fat and kind of like, building this world around the brand, right? From events to product to like, offline experiences, etc., like, kind of like, thinking like, what makes this cool? Like, one of the immediate problems that you stumble across when you think of motorsport is that it's not accessible. It's not, to your point, like, the people that build the engines, but it's so expensive, right? And especially if you want to make it, um, if you want to go to, like, if you want to make it to F1, or if you want to make it to like, one of the pro championships. There is no like, clear path, right? If you play football, for example, being very European now, but if you play football, the one with the.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  The feet, the one with the feet.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Then you kind of like you start playing and then at some point if you're better you go to a like semi-professional team and you kind of like go through the go through the like you climb the step ladder basically and if you're good enough like it's a merit based thing.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Teams exist and you can join those teams and they will recruit you and teams are always looking and whatever which does not happen in racing ever.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Exactly. It's it's like this completely like 1.6 billion people watch the sport like Formula One now.

• 46:23Matt Farah?

  And 20 people compete in it.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Exactly. Nobody can like really there's no okay question. How much do you think the average F1 driver spent from the age of five to getting into F1?

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  Oh my god.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  To just getting their first seat in there? First paid seat or first gentleman's seat?

• 46:41Speaker 01

  No, first seat like first time sitting in an F1 driver. It's like in a race.

• 46:47Matt Farah?

  I bet it's five million euros.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Thirty-three million.

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  Fuck!

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Like on average. Obviously there is like different stories but it's getting like because the sport is more and more hype.

• 46:56Matt Farah?

  Someone spent a hundred grand and someone spent 300 million. That's how you end up.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  People are willing to like really spend a lot a shit ton of money, right? And it's a sport where you basically because there is no like step ladder that is like thought like thought through and like it's not a merit based thing. You can basically if you want to be scouted by an F1 team you like have to drive European karting championship which is also a thing, right? It's only Europe. Like if you drive American karting championships, no like F1 scout will come to you and like see you. And also it's such a like numbers driven sport, right? The stopwatch doesn't die but then there's some guy going to a track in Europe just looking at you and like okay yeah maybe. How much money do you bring? So the whole idea basically was so I I met Rob Smith, the guy who started the karting

• 47:40Speaker 01

  league and we we got in touch. I like he was looking for for investors back then. That was like one and a half years ago and I immediately loved the idea and then I kind of told him what I do with fat and we felt that it was a super match, right? Like we try to open up the spectator side of motorsport and make it more fun and inclusive and younger and wilder and he like had built a tool to really. Mess with the system that was not existing, right? And so like the whole idea of Fat Karting League is that it's a league that is merit based. And we got the cost down by ninety six percent of a karting season.

• 48:20Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  So it's still not like just getting a football and like playing.

• 48:23Matt Farah?

  Yes, it's motorsport.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Way cheaper. And it's.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  It's spec karts, your karts, right?

• 48:30Speaker 01

  We build the karts ourselves. So Rob like obviously had spent twenty five years of his life in Formula One. So he like brought some of his like co engineers at Ferrari or Williams or wherever to his team. And they developed a kart that is meant to be a proper race kart. So it's it handles well, it drives the right corner the same way it drives the left corner. Although like like the battery packs are positioned, so it works like that. It's electric, it's an arrive and drive system. So you basically buy your ticket. And then just come to one of our races and drive and we collect the data and we see who's fastest and you race for points. And then ultimately, if you win, you will be a part of the Fat Racing Team, which is what we launched this weekend.

• 49:15Matt Farah?

  Just Formula Four?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Formula Four, yes.

• 49:17Matt Farah?

  So you win a seat?

• 49:18Speaker 01

  F four.

• 49:19Matt Farah?

  So it's like almost like a grand like a Gran Turismo GT Academy, but with karts instead of video games. You get a real seat in a real car.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:27Matt Farah?

  And that seat is a is a covered seat.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fully funded.

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, fully funded.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  And like we plan to really build like a full blown race team, right? Like we plan to build F four, F three, F two. And and basically have the kids like create a league, basically, that is the funnel for this race series.

• 49:42Matt Farah?

  And you're maintaining, you're like you hold the karts, like I show up with my helmet and my suit, not I, but a kid.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, they don't have to like physically bring the kart around.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  No, like we basically that's so the way the system works now is you have to buy a kart. You have to like have a mechanic or your dad or your mom be the mechanic. You have to buy tires, you have to like sign up for events, you have to drive there, you have to drive the kart there. You have to like do all these different things and obviously there is ways to cheat, right? There's ways to just spend more money than the other kids and then you will be better. You have like the better mechanic, you buy the newer engine, you buy the fresher tires, you. So there's ways to like cheat your cheat. There's ways to buy away.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's what that's like kind of what racing is.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  And so people do, right? And we thought if you take a step back, almost every sport that is kind of that is democratized and that people can really play. Like it's pretty sure that the fastest driver hasn't raced yet, right? Although Max is very fast.

• 50:35Matt Farah?

  Someone in Sub-Saharan Africa can beat Max if given the chance.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  Math says so. Math says someone in fucking Mongolia.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  I think Max believes the same by the way.

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Max, for example, believes in the whole sort of video game thing also, like a lot, right? He drives Nürburgring with one of his sim racing colleagues, I think.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  So I believe in the sim racing thing too, right? I just think you do need some seat time also at some point.

• 51:00Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  It's just more fun also, right?

• 51:01Matt Farah?

  It's more.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  You've tried the kart.

• 51:03Matt Farah?

  I tried the kart. Yeah, I tried the kart and I am like fat. It's like I'm like, I'm actually fat. It's, I don't think the karts, uh, I mean, granted.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Fat is good. We already established.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  I had, I had a fabulous time. I mean, this, this is a, the, the league is for kids of what age?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Five to seventeen.

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Okay, so granted, most of those kids are probably going to be smaller and lighter than me. Having said that, um, the kart was fabulous. Um, the power was great. The brakes were very predictable. Um, it, it oversteered on, on both entry and exit, which I found fabulous. Um, the steering, the normal steering input actually flexed the chassis a bit, which is interesting. And then you can do your normal bend the wheel and really fucking land on the nose. If you bend it more, you can lift the inside front wheel.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  Um, it was a really nice kart to drive. It was a lot of fun and, uh, it, it, it maintained its pace for the whole, I mean, our races were pretty short, but I don't know how long, how long is the battery intended to last in that kart?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  So I guess the battery, yeah, like we, we basically charged them between, so like we have three different sizes of karts just for the different age groups and we charged them in between. I don't even know, like maybe half an hour.

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, he said it charges, it charges from i- in about a half hour it will charge up. But I don't know if I, like I ran, I don't know, five, six laps of the track. I don't know if that's the length of a race.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  No, I think the length of a race is more like twenty minutes, twenty-five minutes.

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it, it, it, for at least as long as I was driving it, it made full power.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it will make full power the whole time.

• 52:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  No, no, they're, they're designed to be proper like race karts. And also it's not like, um, the Taycan, for example, that delivers all the torque immediately. The kart is built to like to to mimic the power curve of a combustion engine because obviously that's what the kids ideally at some point are able to get into right at four, three, at two.

• 52:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and on cold tires, the instant torque does you no favors and you know compared to.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  And like you can cheat, right? You can cheat yourself out of a corner. If you like, if you then go to combustion, like you have to learn how to really drive, right? And keep the revs up and make sure you you carry as much speed as possible and not just like cheat yourself with like all the power out of the corner.

• 53:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, the car, it worked and left foot braking worked. It doesn't kill all the power if you left foot brake. You can you can actually drive the kart. It was very, very fun. I had a really nice time. And the new track surface at Willow is good.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, mega. The kart track looks super cool.

• 53:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  I mean, the whole sort of, so how it works is basically we build hubs all over the place. So we had, we are now at three hubs. So we have the original one in the UK where Rob is based, where we already ran three seasons. So this is already the third generation of kart. And we now feel very comfortable that the kart like delivers to all the like to all the standards that we put on it. And then now we expand basically. So this year, we opened two hubs in the States, one in the Indianapolis, Chicago area, one in Southern California, and then next year, another four, and the year after eight. So we want to get to 50 hubs in the next five years.

• 54:04Matt Farah?

  Is the Southern California one going to be at Willow Springs?

• 54:06Speaker 01

  So a hub usually like goes to many tracks. So it's one geography, but then it goes to many tracks. So you will find it in like, I think we in California or in Southern California, we have like four or five.

• 54:15Matt Farah?

  There's another new track, like K1 outdoor track in like Temecula that's looks really cool. I haven't tried it. It looks pretty sick.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 54:24Matt Farah?

  But these karts were really fun. I really had a good, good time driving them. Do we have patron people things, Zach?

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:33Matt Farah?

  The our patron, patrons get to ask questions for the show. And let's get to some of them. If you want to ask questions for the show for our guests, catch the live stream, get the show before anybody else, get the show without ads, get extra show and more, such as the show that we did from Willow Springs. Is that up on Patreon? Patreon?

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 54:55Matt Farah?

  Okay, it's going to be, we did a show.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Oh, you did one there?

• 54:58Matt Farah?

  We did one there, it's going up on Patreon. Uh, yeah, we had like Jensen, Sam, Marcus, uh, and, uh, Marino on the show. It was great. Uh, it's pronounced Porsche, says, if there was a one stepping stone for a young driver like karting age to get into slick loose surface style racing, what would that be and where could we get started? Where does a kid learn to drive loose?

• 55:24Speaker 01

  That's a very good question.

• 55:26Matt Farah?

  Dirt tracks. I mean, you can go to the, you know, lots, uh, you could talk about dirt bikes, uh, crosskarts.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  I think dirt biking would be the most accessible.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  You can also drive, sorry, you can also drive cars on ice. I mean, there's some like ice karting tracks.

• 55:41Matt Farah?

  That's probably awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  And but you have to live somewhere close to the mountains.

• 55:46Matt Farah?

  And I don't know, I mean, I'm not sure you need a driver, uh, I mean, young driver, uh,

• 55:53Matt Farah?

  dude, like crosskarts or Sierra cars or, yeah, which has to be the best way, right? Or dirt bikes.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Cos Cob Tuning says, uh, what driving characteristic must be present for a car to still feel like a Porsche regardless of powertrain or class? That's a very good question.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Steering is the most important.

• 56:14Matt Farah?

  Steering.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Steering and braking, I think are the most important and very Porsche specific attributes.

• 56:19Matt Farah?

  I have to agree. Yeah. There's not a car in the lineup that steers badly or stops badly.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  That would be bad.

• 56:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that would be a real problem. Uh, Charlie Quirk in Feature says, tell us about the Porsche boats.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, we did. Um, I think there's a.

• 56:36Matt Farah?

  Electric one, right?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there is now a collab with Frauscher, which is like an Austrian boat builder, and they put like the Macan, uh, powertrain.

• 56:44Matt Farah?

  EV.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like an EV, like it's pretty, because most of the lakes in Austria, for example, you can drive, uh, you can drive combustion boats.

• 56:51Matt Farah?

  Oh, I didn't know that. That's probably nice.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Bigger and bigger, yeah, because I think, I think it's mostly for the drinking quality of the water and like for it to be clean, as clean as possible.

• 56:59Matt Farah?

  I mean, that's probably good. I've never been on a, on a real, a pure EV boat. I'd like to. Have you been on one?

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, but only a very slow one.

• 57:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, right, like a slow, like bullshit one.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  I haven't tried ours, but I think there's more of a, there's like, yeah, there's a bigger and bigger market for this.

• 57:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, they have their hybridizing, I mean, even they're hybridizing big yachts as well, which is kinda cool, where you can, you can go in and out of the marinas on electric power, you don't have to idle so much.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Like with the nine eighteen, you leave the garage silently, you know, you don't annoy your neighbors.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  That's cool, yeah. Um, yeah, this is cool, the Porsche eight fifty Phantom. It's cool. I like it. Uh, someone in Porsche, let me drive one, please. Very much like to try one.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Another reason to come to Austria.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'll go, I would go to Austria for that. Liftoff over steering committee. Uh, oh, we just, we talked about this. Uh, which, if any, family member cars are most coveted by other family members?

• 57:58Speaker 01

  What does that mean, like who has the coolest cars?

• 58:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, who has the coolest cars? Your dad has some pretty cool stuff, right?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  My dad has some cool stuff. Ferry Pier, he had some really cool stuff.

• 58:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Um, because obviously, um, like he was a, for a long time, he was a CFO of Volkswagen, so he had like,

• 58:15Matt Farah?

  The Bugattis and.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Bugattis and like, like some pretty cool stuff.

• 58:19Matt Farah?

  Mate is doing alright over there.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Back in the days, back in the days, my, my, my grandfather's, uh, sister, so Luisa, she had like really, really cool backed cars.

• 58:28Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, always like funky colors and like interior, exterior, like crazy mashups and like.

• 58:34Matt Farah?

  My kinda girl, I like it.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:36Matt Farah?

  I like it. Um, Ted Stryker says, you can give a non Porsche fan one car for a day to convince them to become a fan of the brand. What do you give them? A GT three. Or something like that.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  If we're talking modern cars, yes, you give them a GT three.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  Or if they can drive stick, a nine six four RS.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Yes, that's a very good choice.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:57Matt Farah?

  Or.

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you, I'll tell you something that really changed my mind about Porsche was the first time I drove a 356. Because I'd only driven like cars from the 50s, I'd only driven like American cars, which are all just shit piles. They're just trash. And I drove a 356 and within, it was within about a month of driving a gullwing. And I was like, yo, what were they doing over there in the 50s? Like, these cars stop and turn and shift nice? Like, when I learned that you could just daily a 356 without having to give up like anything, I was like, oh, that's, this is a different type of car building.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  I once drove the Mini Millia with my dad in a speedster. And it was, it was mega because like you, you obviously compete with the gullwings, with the Jaguars of the time. And with all that like stuff that has like way more horsepower and the advantage of the 356 is you just like, you don't have to brake in front of the corner. You can just like go through it because it's also so light, right?

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Those are like really cool cars.

• 59:55Matt Farah?

  They're good.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  But maybe for someone who has never driven any other 50s car, like it's better to start with something new.

• 1:00:01Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  So you're like 964 or like.

• 1:00:03Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm saying. You don't just throw someone in the 50s, but if you really wanna be like, how is this different?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  You know, drive like four or five cars from the 50s.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  And one is a 356 and you go, oh, okay, this is like a different fucking thing. Um, Lee Kunkels Autobahn.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Good names here.

• 1:00:21Matt Farah?

  That's, we encourage this. That's from the Big Lebowski. Uh, uh, if you had one perfect night to drive any car you wanted, what would it be? What is, that's a.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Why does it have to be during the night?

• 1:00:32Matt Farah?

  Well, night is diff, night is different.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  GT1.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  GT1.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  That's why. On the Mulsanne Straight, please.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:41Matt Farah?

  Never tried a GT1?

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  I've done it once.

• 1:00:44Matt Farah?

  Once? 993 or 996?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  It was probably 996 and it was the 98. So it's the one, like, there's only one street version of the 98 because it's like the.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  The silver one?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  It has a sequential, no it's white. Sequential gearbox, it's basically the Le Mans car.

• 1:00:58Matt Farah?

  That's wild.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  For the road. It also doesn't have any leather or anything. It was the coolest, like it was my best day ever.

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's alright.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Which we got out of it and I was like, okay, I can die now.

• 1:01:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  It's pretty rad. I don't want to die.

• 1:01:07Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what, at night, if you're talking about-

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  But if you did- But if I had to then-

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  You go, at least I got to drive that car.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Last day, I'm gonna drive a GT1 again.

• 1:01:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. LA to Vegas, 2am, Rolls Royce, uh, um, not, uh, Spectre if you could do it in one, but like Rafe, Starfield ceiling, you know, most expensive stereo option.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Also not bad.

• 1:01:29Matt Farah?

  One night, yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  That's yours?

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if I'm going night, I'm not trying to like toge the mountain at night, I want a fucking, you know, steam train, steam train.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Dude, I love driving through the Alps. I think like driving through, yeah, like, anytime. You drive through the Alps, you feel like James Bond.

• 1:01:44Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  You have a nice car, I don't know, 911R through the Alps.

• 1:01:48Matt Farah?

  We like, our mountains, exceptional, but we don't go up there at night a lot, it's really dark.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Matt Farah?

  Really, really dark up there at night, and like, there's just nothing else, there's nowhere like to go.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  But, daytime, yeah. You guys, um, the Alps are the best, absolute best.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  And we had three nights, already.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  Three nights. Mr. Doctor Thomas Foolery, uh, oh no, anything, he doesn't work there. Anything more you can tell us about the EV Cayman? Ferdy doesn't work there.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  I mean, I could, but I won't.

• 1:02:18Matt Farah?

  Can talk after the show. Um, uh, I don't, do you have, Chris from Colorado, yeah, why does Porsche not make the Dakar a standard option or trim? They should.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Good question.

• 1:02:30Matt Farah?

  They should, good question, they should.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  You should.

• 1:02:33Matt Farah?

  And we have a, we got a friend, um, he didn't bring it to Willow, but he was out there, a local guy here in LA.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Matt Farah?

  Who built his own Dakar. He ordered all the Dakar suspension and underbody bits, and bought a used Carrera 4S, and basically-

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  92.

• 1:02:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, and basically, it doesn't have the, uh, the cladding.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:54Matt Farah?

  Um, but it has the right wheels and the right suspension and everything else.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Dakar one of the coolest modern Porsches.

• 1:03:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's great. But I, I would use this guy's method to build a manual Dakar, which they won't do. I know you need Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus to make a Dakar, which only comes with PDK, like, I get it, I still want a fucking stick one, don't you, kind of?

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, stick is almost always more fun.

• 1:03:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I'd rather, I would, I'm like, I'd like a rear drive Carrera T rally car with a stick and a good mechanical diff.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  There's something about Porsche rallying that like, for sure is like, it's similar to what you said about Myers Manks. It's just, it will make you smile.

• 1:03:37Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  And like, the car is maybe not really made for rallying, but it works on like loose surfaces as well as it does on the street.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jeff's word has proven that a lot, as have other people, of course.

• 1:03:48Matt Farah?

  Pacifica Coast Highway, most underrated PTS color. May not photograph well, but in person is fantastic.

• 1:03:58Matt Farah?

  Viola purple metallic looks a lot like black until you stand near it.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Sport classic gray sometimes looks white.

• 1:04:05Matt Farah?

  Sometimes. Some of those like hyper, whatever the fuck, transitiony ones look real.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  No, I don't like.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  You know, it's still too much.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  I feel like I find that too crazy. Also like those cars look way better in California somehow than they would in Austria.

• 1:04:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, they're like, Bo Bachmann's fucking GT3 RS in super purple probably looks insane in Austria.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Is it, is that a cultural thing where like it's just too loud visually or does it?

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  I think it's also the light. I think it's also the light and then matches with the landscape. That's also an important feature. And like, I just, I was just in Tokyo two weeks ago. Every single color looks good there. You can drive like an orange car.

• 1:04:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  You would never do it in like back home. And it looks crazy.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Tokyo is the best backdrop for any car.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Every car looks better in Tokyo.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  That's a, that is actually, that should be a title of somebody's book, probably. Like, that's, that's pretty good, yeah. Have you seen South Seas Blue Metallic yet?

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  That's my new favorite color. It's.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Where is that? Is that an old color?

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  No, it's a new color. It was new for this year. I tried to, I tried to order an ST in it, even though I can't afford an ST. And they laughed at me.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. They're like, nice try, buddy.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  I think one of the coolest colors.

• 1:05:17Matt Farah?

  You've only bought. Yeah.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  I think one of the coolest colors is Coppa Florio.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  What is that? I don't know.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  It's a very light blue.

• 1:05:24Matt Farah?

  How do you spell that?

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. C-O-P-P-A-F-L, like Florio, like the Coppa.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  South Seas is pretty good. Imagine that on an ST. That would be pretty nice. Oh, I know this one.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, everybody knows the GT2.

• 1:05:39Matt Farah?

  I know the GT2 in this one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  It's sick.

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  Dude, Tim, uh, our, our buddy Timmy Pappas had that 993 GT2 parked in your corral there, which was, oh, boy. And that, I forget, Sunoco blue? I think that's Sunoco blue.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Is it? Yeah.

• 1:05:56Matt Farah?

  Sunoco blue with yellow seatbelts, stitching and calipers.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:06:00Matt Farah?

  Your 993 GT2, that's the fuck.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  And I mean, this one with all the red interiors.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  Yes, I know this color. Yes. Yeah, that's a great color. Reminds me a little bit of Moonstone.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which is really good. Moonstone's a jam. We had a Moonstone GT4RS here for a minute. It was really cool. Yeah. PTS, what a jam. Yep. And I will defend, it's not, it's PTS now. It wasn't when I got it. Frozen Berry Metallic is the best.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  The rest are just for us.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  General stuff.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  Cool. Um, okay. So, people can, uh, enter their kids in the race?

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:37Matt Farah?

  And signups for Southern California?

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Yes. I mean, Southern California is going really well. I mean, somehow, um, it feels like people in California just get cars in general. So like, our karting league is like, already buzzing, but you can like, still sign up. You go to our website.

• 1:06:51Matt Farah?

  Let's see the calendar.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  And you literally, you can, you can go to tryouts, um, and then like, just see if your kid likes it. And if he or she likes it.

• 1:07:00Matt Farah?

  Wow, okay. So, so wait, so this is the whole season, regional championship, pro championship? Multiple races, $3,100. Nice.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. So basically, like, we, we go from, um, single, like, tryouts, basically, the idea is you go to the tryout, you see if, if you like it or no, and then you just enter your kid into, like, you ideally buy a season pass.

• 1:07:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Because then you can compete to, like, take part in the world final, which is going to happen on the 14th of December at Willow Springs.

• 1:07:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, so.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  So anyone who's out there this weekend, come. We're gonna bring some cool cars.

• 1:07:33Matt Farah?

  This 14th of December, Willow Springs. Oh, I'll, I'll be there. I'll be there.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  And then like, let's help make the kids feel like they're superstars.

• 1:07:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, and you're racing at Adams. Adams is fun. You've been out there?

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  No, not yet.

• 1:07:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's a good time.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Adams is a great kart track. And you can do a, you can drift a car on it, too.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:07:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Barely.

• 1:07:51Matt Farah?

  Kinda.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  People do.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  You can. You can, and they do.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  It's tight.

• 1:07:55Matt Farah?

  It's a little risky, but we've done it.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  So let's do it, then.

• 1:07:58Matt Farah?

  You can, you can do it.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  When?

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  Whenever I want. Call them up. Let's go. Um, yeah, you should check out that other one, Shack and Temecula. I think that would work out for you, dude. Uh, do I have anything else on my list that I wanted to ask you and missed? I don't know. You're fucking cool, man. You should hang out next time you're in town, definitely.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:08:15Matt Farah?

  And, and, and, okay. Ice Race in Montana, same fat international if they want to enter Ice Race.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  And buy tickets to Ice Race. It's in Big Sky.

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  It's in Big Sky. You can fly to Bozeman.

• 1:08:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Uh, you drive up to Big Sky.

• 1:08:28Matt Farah?

  It's going to be so awesome.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  It's gonna be mega.

• 1:08:31Matt Farah?

  I'm gonna be there. Maybe Zach will come.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  Last time we had a GT1 on the ice.

• 1:08:35Matt Farah?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  So I have to still figure out what's the sort of one hyper, hyper, hyper special thing.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  The one, right. Mm-hmm. Is the selection process difficult?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  We already have so many sick, like, even like now in Willow Springs. I don't know, like, a guy with a Mura came and was like, can I drive my Mura? I'm like, fuck, yeah.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, I saw that guy pulling in, yeah.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  No, not that guy, another guy.

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  Not the one with the silver one?

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, apparently there's like multiple Muras. Uh, that's cool. Um, so no, like, people want to bring some heavy metal.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Like, I'm excited.

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  I love ice racing because your land speed is so different from wheel speed. You know, you could be good, like, wheel speed eighty miles per hour and you're just crawling but sideways and you're having so much fun.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  You know, like, it's the most fun you can have in a car, apart from maybe sex.

• 1:09:20Matt Farah?

  You have to remember to keep your windows closed if you have them, though, because you just get, you will get blasted in the face.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  One year in Austria, we didn't have that much snow, so like at some point in the afternoon, like, we were all through the ice. And so the people started to throw up the mud. And like, people would still, like, the cars would start to throw up the mud. People were still standing in the corners and were like, yes, give me more. So like, it's really like, it's a good thing people, people really bring the party.

• 1:09:46Matt Farah?

  Awesome.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Rad.

• 1:09:47Matt Farah?

  I need to get some merch, because now that I'm a little less fat, I can wear things that say fat on them for a long time. I would definitely not fucking wear anything that said fat on it, but now I think I can.

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  That's fat turbo.

• 1:10:01Matt Farah?

  That's better. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I can do that, because I'm, uh, fat, but not slow.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Matt Farah?

  Um, and, uh, yeah, I can't wait to do Montana. It's gonna be great. Fucking put some spi- what size spikes do I want?

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Seven mil.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Seven mil.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  That's the maximum we allow, so I think that, like, means you have a lot of.

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Get those cheater spikes from Colorado, they're like this long.

• 1:10:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I gotta call Zwart's guy. The ones that, the ones that look like the ones that they put in the hubs of really angry truck drivers.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, please don't.

• 1:10:27Matt Farah?

  Thanks Farah, it's good, it's good to have you.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Likewise, thank you for having me.

• 1:10:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I can't wait to hang in Montana. And then December 14th at Willow Springs for the karting championship. And maybe how, maybe we'll convince them to let us do some other fun things while we're out there that day.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  We should, we should. No, I want to get the kids into the seats also and like, kind of like take them around.

• 1:10:45Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, oh we can do, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, yeah, we can do that too. We'll ask, we'll ask the suits.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  I thought there are no suits in California.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  The suits don't wear suits, but they're, they act like suits sometimes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, they just go surfing with their M5 before work. The board out the sunroof, you know, before they tell you why you can't do something.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  They do sound like cool suits.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  It's, they're better than the New York suits sometimes. Yeah, yeah, they're chiller.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  What's cooler, New York or LA?

• 1:11:15Matt Farah?

  What's cooler? No, like, like New York, the people are, are, are like more interesting, probably. But LA is better for cars by a lot, by a lot.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  You don't drive in New York, do you?

• 1:11:28Matt Farah?

  Not in New York City. The suburbs of New York are great for driving. Connecticut, Greenwich, the fuck is fabulous for driving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should open a store there.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:11:38Matt Farah?

  You should.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Let's go. Fabulous, be everywhere.

• 1:11:42Matt Farah?

  All major markets coming soon. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions today, really appreciate you. Please come hang out with us on December 14th at Willow Springs and, and in Montana in February, that's gonna be rad. My car will sound like a biplane at 3 miles an hour, yay. Thanks for coming in, man. And please go buy some merch. Cause that's really what they're doing over here, they're moving units. See you guys next time, bye.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  Bye.