How to Perform Under Pressure Without Losing Yourself | Chloe Kim

Chloe Kim won her first Olympic gold at 17, became the most dominant athlete in her sport, and then quietly started questioning whether any of it made her feel the way she expected it to. She reveals that the greatest pressure she ever felt came not from the crowd or the competition but from internalizing the belief that first place was simply where she was supposed to be, making every win feel expected and every loss feel like failure. That belief quietly ate at her for over a decade, and unpacking it took therapy, an ADHD diagnosis at 26, and the brutal test of entering her third Olympics on eight days of snow training after a serious shoulder injury. What she discovered is something any high achiever will recognize: the version of yourself that performs at the highest level and the version that knows how to rest, feel, and connect are often two very different people, and you have to build the second one on purpose. This conversation gives you a real look at what it takes to stop measuring your worth by your results, start celebrating smaller wins, and build a life that feels as good as it looks from the outside. Follow Chloe on Instagram In this episode you will: Learn how she competed in the 2026 Olympics with only eight days on snow after shoulder surgery, and what genuine grit actually looks like when the outcome is uncertain. Discover how Chloe reframed outside expectations as a crowd of believers instead of a wall of pressure, and use that same mental shift when performance stakes feel crushing. Understand why you cannot eliminate self-doubt and what she does instead to quiet the noise enough to trust muscle memory and show up anyway. Recognize the trap of tying your identity to your results, and follow the perspective shift that helped Chloe finally feel genuine happiness when competitors she loves beat her. Apply Chloe's three personal truths to your own life: keep learning at any age, take care of yourself first, and give yourself real permission to have fun and celebrate the small wins you keep skipping. For more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1921 For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960 Follow The Daily Motivation for essential highlights from The School of Greatness More SOG episodes we think you’ll love: Amy Purdy Mikaela Shiffrin Lindsey Vonn Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I did not give up when I could have. People were telling me that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do this. I was not gonna let up. Like, I wanted to believe in myself and show myself that I could deal with this. I don't know if you can ever truly eliminate self doubt. I think you can maybe quiet the noise a bit. But the minute something doesn't go your way, that self doubt's gonna come right back.

• 0:19Lewis Howes?

  At just seventeen years old, she became the youngest woman to win Olympic gold in snowboarding, establishing herself as one of the most dominant athletes in her sport. We have the inspiring Khloe Kim in the house.

• 0:31Speaker 00

  My dad later on told me that if I didn't make it by the time I was thirteen, we wouldn't be able to afford it anymore. The most pressure I felt from them was actually as we got closer to my first Olympics. I had to have a sit down with my parents. It's like, guys, this doesn't feel good.

• 0:46Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 0:46Speaker 00

  This feels really intense. I am so grateful that I got to go through some really intense moments at such a young age, because now I feel like I can get through whatever and accomplish whatever I put my mind to.

• 0:59Lewis Howes?

  What was the greatest lesson you learned from that experience?

• 1:03Speaker 00

  I think grit, like true grit.

• 1:08Lewis Howes?

  Before I had you on here today, we had another snowboarder on. I don't know if you know Amy Purdy?

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Love Amy.

• 1:15Lewis Howes?

  And she was just singing your praises, saying how much she loves you.

• 1:18Speaker 00

  I love her to death.

• 1:19Lewis Howes?

  And I was like, Amy, if you could ask her one question, you know, about Khloe, what would it be? And she goes, how does she perform under pressure and just look so free? And that was one of the things she was asking about, like, how does she look so free at the highest stages in the world? And I'm curious, how do you perform under pressure and make it look so effortless?

• 1:38Speaker 00

  I just made a face when you said that, because I feel like, I feel the same way about her.

• 1:42Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I feel like the call is coming from within Amy.

• 1:48Speaker 00

  Um, no, Amy's amazing. She's such an inspiration. She has such an incredible story and everything she's done for her sport has been like so cool.

• 1:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:59Speaker 00

  And she's so cool.

• 2:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  So gorgeous and smart.

• 2:02Lewis Howes?

  So kind.

• 2:03Speaker 00

  Yes, it's kind of not fair. Yeah, she's everything to me. Um, I would say for me personally, I don't know, I don't think I think about it too much.

• 2:14Lewis Howes?

  Pressure?

• 2:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, obviously I do feel pressure, but I think I need a moment to just sit with myself and recognize that the pressure is actually, I feel like outside voices, people with expectations and people who want things for me, which is such a blessing and disguised sometimes, but I see it as a blessing. Um, I really appreciate that people believe that I could accomplish all these things. So I think I had to make that mental shift at a pretty young age.

• 2:41Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 2:41Speaker 00

  And kind of recognize that, you know, there's a lot of voices out there, but at the end of the day, it's because, you know, they believe I can do it. So, I feel like I have cheerleaders instead of, you know, all these like scary expectations. I think I kind of, when I started to make that shift, things felt a lot easier and smoother for me.

• 2:59Lewis Howes?

  Do you feel like when you compete, you're not thinking about the pressure then, or is it more about just wanting to have fun?

• 3:05Speaker 00

  It's a little bit of both. I love competing. I'm a very competitive person, even outside of my sport, you know, video games, any like, PE was my favorite day at school growing up and I just loved competing. I loved playing games, like all of it. So, it's very rewarding for me when I get to compete in something that I'm really good at. And yeah, but I also do want to have fun. I try to have fun. Um, you know, transparently, I never like wanted to snowboard. That was the sport of my choice.

• 3:37Lewis Howes?

  What was this, the choice you wanted?

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Oh my gosh, well, I wanted it.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  A lot. I wanted to be a jockey.

• 3:45Lewis Howes?

  A jockey?

• 3:46Speaker 00

  I love horses and I loved just anything horse related. And in my mind, it was like horse racing. This is when I was like three.

• 3:53Lewis Howes?

  Cause you grew up in SoCal, right? Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I, I don't know. I was just always obsessed with horses. My favorite movie growing up was Spirit.

• 4:00Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  I don't know if, you know, your kid, maybe your girls are like be obsessed with it one day, but yeah, I really wanted to be a jockey. I really loved figure skating. Um, but my dad was the one that, you know, kind of wanted me to get into a sport. And so when I told him figure skating, he was like, well, what about speed skating? Or hockey? And I was like, no, like I'm not going to do that. So we started snowboarding.

• 4:27Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 4:27Speaker 00

  Snowboarding was what he, you know.

• 4:29Lewis Howes?

  But you grew up in, I think, was it Torrance you grew up in? Or like you grew up SoCal every year?

• 4:32Speaker 00

  I grew up all over. We moved a bunch. Um, so I've lived in Cyprus, La Palma. Torrance, La Habra.

• 4:42Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  And then I moved to LA. I lived in Newport for a year and then I moved to LA.

• 4:46Lewis Howes?

  But you started, was it more in Mammoth where you started really snowboarding then? So you'd go up there and?

• 4:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, I actually learned in Mountain High and I always want to give credit to Mountain High. I love it there.

• 4:58Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 4:58Speaker 00

  Good memes, good memes, bad memes, crazy memes, all the memes.

• 5:01Lewis Howes?

  All of it. That's where it started.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  That's where it started. And then as I started getting better and getting, you know, more serious, we started going to Mammoth.

• 5:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 5:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:10Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. I mean, your dad, you mentioned your dad and he, he, he really started to invest in you early on then, right? With snowboarding? Didn't he leave his career to kind of like go all in with you?

• 5:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:21Lewis Howes?

  So when you, when you have a parent who's that much of a cheerleader and supporting you. How did you not also feel the pressure then of like, oh, this needs to work out? Like, I need to actually be good and succeed because he's invested his life in this as well.

• 5:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think that is definitely something that I thought about a lot.

• 5:39Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:40Speaker 00

  And my dad later on told me that if I didn't make it by the time I was 13, like, we wouldn't be able to afford it anymore because my parents invested everything into my sport, which is such a risky decision, honestly, to make. But I didn't know that. And funny enough, at 13, I started doing really well and started to like, you know, kill it in my sport. But I think the most pressure I felt from them was actually as we got closer to my first Olympics, because I think that was the dream.

• 6:14Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:15Speaker 00

  Finally did it. I qualified for Sochi when I was 13.

• 6:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  I don't know if you know this.

• 6:19Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Um, was too young to compete.

• 6:22Lewis Howes?

  So you qualified, but you couldn't compete?

• 6:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:24Lewis Howes?

  That sucks.

• 6:25Speaker 00

  Qualified in second.

• 6:26Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  So I wasn't able to go. So I feel like there was so much anticipation that built from that moment. And once I was getting closer, like that 2016, 17 season was the scariest season of my life. Just the air, every time I walked into the like spaces was just so tense and stressful. I feel like everyone's getting really intense, hoping to qualify for the games. Now I'm in contention to qualify for the games, like my. I had to have a sit down with my parents. It's like, guys, this doesn't feel good.

• 6:57Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 6:58Speaker 00

  This feels really intense. Like, I understand that you guys, you know, obviously want this for me, and I do too. But I need a sense of normalcy because everywhere else I go does not feel normal either. So I just need home to feel like home.

• 7:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:13Lewis Howes?

  It's a lot. I mean, you were sixteen going and seventeen, I guess, around that time. So it's it's almost like, oh, what if I make a mistake or don't qualify or I fall, then all this this like expectation like crumbles, I guess.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I want to say too, into my first games, qualifying was hardcore. Like there, I mean, there still are, you know, really good US snowboarding girls, but like, back then, it was mostly, you know, US podium suites.

• 7:43Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  For the most part, like, they were awesome. And so qualifying was really intense because it's almost like you had to bring your A game. Like, if you qualified for the Olympics in the US, it was almost just felt like you were guaranteed a medal at that point because they were so good. Yes. And so.

• 8:01Lewis Howes?

  So it wasn't guaranteed. It wasn't like, oh, this is gonna be easy.

• 8:04Speaker 00

  No. I knew I had a good shot because I was podiuming consistently. But I've never experienced that type of pressure and like that type of expectation before. And so I remember like going into all my runs for the qualifying events. So a little more about the qualification process, all right?

• 8:21Lewis Howes?

  Tell me, tell me.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  So basically, it's the season before the Olympics. There are, I might be completely wrong, but there's somewhere, but I think it's five events. Four or five events. And basically, it's the top four girls based on all those events. So the way, the best way to guarantee a spot is to like win a couple of them.

• 8:42Lewis Howes?

  Top four go, top four?

• 8:44Speaker 00

  Top four.

• 8:45Lewis Howes?

  If USA.

• 8:45Speaker 00

  Yes. Top four go. And based on your results in those events, though, I think they take like the top three results or something. And then they average them out. And then that's how they decide who goes. So. That was, so you kind of have to be awesome for at least three events.

• 9:04Lewis Howes?

  Right. Over like a six month window or is that like a year or how long is that?

• 9:07Speaker 00

  No, it's like a two month.

• 9:09Lewis Howes?

  Oh, oh, man. So if you mess up in two months, you're done.

• 9:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. So it's like you start the season, you're like, okay, like I might go to the Olympics and it's like boom, it's over. And then people are going to the Olympics. It's so fast. It's back to back. I think the first qualification events in December, like early December, and then the rest of them are low key in January. And then we go to the.

• 9:28Lewis Howes?

  And you leave like a couple weeks later.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  February. Yeah. So it's really intense.

• 9:33Lewis Howes?

  How did you feel going into this recent Olympics then? Because you were injured.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:38Lewis Howes?

  Like, how was you?

• 9:39Speaker 00

  You feel good.

• 9:40Lewis Howes?

  You didn't feel good because you'd previously won two gold medals, but then you're going into this next Olympics a little injured, not feeling good, like you said. How do you stay confident and also not let the fear of the pressure or what if I fail or what if my injury holds me back or?

• 9:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:55Lewis Howes?

  The expectations of the world now?

• 9:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:58Lewis Howes?

  How do you navigate that?

• 10:00Speaker 00

  I mean, it was tough. You know, I think that was definitely a really hard moment. Um, probably one of the more difficult things I've had to navigate in my career. I've had, I've been so blessed and fortunate to go into every single games completely healthy. Um, and luckily I had actually qualified for the games the season prior.

• 10:20Lewis Howes?

  So you didn't have that stress?

• 10:21Speaker 00

  I didn't need to qualify that season, which was great.

• 10:23Lewis Howes?

  That's great. Yeah.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  Awesome.

• 10:25Lewis Howes?

  But you gotta be healthy.

• 10:26Speaker 00

  Exactly. And so, you know, the plan was, okay, I'm not going to compete that much this season. I'm going to just train for the games and then go. And that's what I did going into Beijing as well. But unfortunately, the first training camp I had planned in the winter, that's when it happened, like the second or third day. So I had no reps going into this.

• 10:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Came straight back home, rehabbed as much as I could. Cause it wasn't necessarily a pain issue. It was more that my shoulder kept coming out. And if your shoulder comes out, there's like not much you can do. Yes, you can pop it back in, but it will just keep coming out.

• 11:05Lewis Howes?

  Is your left shoulder or your right?

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, my left shoulder. And so it was one of those things where I think I spent a week, maybe 10 days here in LA doing my rehab and then trying to get back on snow as soon as possible to get a little reps in. Um.

• 11:23Lewis Howes?

  It's also probably the fear of if I fall and hurt the shoulder, like the damage that that could have too, right?

• 11:28Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 11:28Lewis Howes?

  And I don't want to get hurt before I go into the games.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Totally. But I'd already come up with a plan in my mind. That was maybe insane, but I was like, well, if it comes out, just put it back in. You know, let's just pop it back in. It's fine.

• 11:41Lewis Howes?

  It wasn't painful?

• 11:42Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, it hurts, but like also.

• 11:45Lewis Howes?

  Put it back in. You're an athlete.

• 11:46Speaker 00

  I live in a world of pain. Like I am always in pain. So this, let's just add this to the list of things that hurt. Um, but now I think I was like, all right, well, we'll just pop it back in. I'll do everything I can. We'll get a brace. But the most annoying thing was just that I had to relearn how to do all my tricks without this arm.

• 12:06Lewis Howes?

  Because you really need to like use the force of it, right?

• 12:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:10Lewis Howes?

  So how did you do that?

• 12:11Speaker 00

  To like hyperextend it almost. And that's when it's the most vulnerable. Like when I'm throwing my tricks, I need all my arms.

• 12:18Lewis Howes?

  You're because you're really swinging in there.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  I'm literally doing the most like flailing, like twisting, all of it.

• 12:25Lewis Howes?

  Cause people watching might think, oh, it's actually a lot of twisting of like the hips, which I guess it is. But you need to wind up with the the upper body as well, right? Interesting.

• 12:33Speaker 00

  So it was really hard. So the very limited days I had on snow, I just had to like try to relearn how to do all my tricks.

• 12:39Lewis Howes?

  With one arm?

• 12:40Speaker 00

  With one arm and it's so disappointing because it's almost annoying. I almost wish that it was this kind of dark. But I had almost wished that it was a more serious injury, if that makes sense, because then it was just clear that like I couldn't do it. Or like I, you know, but this whole gray area was really rough for me to navigate. Cause I'm like, I feel fine. I I feel like I can do this, but my shoulder comes out in the middle of my run. There's nothing I can do. I have to stop. So that's where it's really frustrating. And that's also where it was frustrating because I felt like people wouldn't understand.

• 13:18Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  What that was like either.

• 13:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And I was, I mean, I don't know if, did you ever have the fear of like, okay, I'm going whatever 50 feet in the air. And if I fall on it.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:27Lewis Howes?

  Then also the pain of that, you know, I might be done, I guess, if it's already vulnerable.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:32Lewis Howes?

  For me, I'd be afraid of that.

• 13:33Speaker 00

  I mean, I was number one to worry about pain again. Like I have had chronic back pain since I was fifteen. So it's not a big deal. It was just more inconvenient for me, I think is the best way to put it.

• 13:45Lewis Howes?

  So how do you navigate that? I guess, how do you visualize before going out for a run at the Olympics? When you're uncertain if you can actually complete the run?

• 13:55Speaker 00

  I think it's hard. Like mentally, there's always this little voice in your head. It's like, all right, well, this could happen.

• 14:01Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 14:01Speaker 00

  Prepare yourself for that. I did the best that I could. You know, I knew that I was at a severe disadvantage because everyone else has trained ridden all winter long and I'm coming in, I think the night of the final was my eighth day on snow.

• 14:16Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 14:17Speaker 00

  Total.

• 14:17Lewis Howes?

  In like, in like six months or something?

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Right. So it's like, I'm not where I could be, but I'm also dealing with this, which is part of the sport. I'm just gonna do my best and whatever. That's what I had to get to. Just like, whatever.

• 14:32Lewis Howes?

  So what is, what is the mental rehearsal that you have then? Either, you know, the morning of an hour before or right before to eliminate the self doubt?

• 14:41Speaker 00

  I think that's interesting and I'm curious to see what our listeners will think, but I don't know if you can ever truly eliminate self doubt. I think you can talk yourself up to, you know, maybe quiet the noise a bit, but the minute something doesn't go your way, that self doubt's gonna come right back.

• 15:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 15:02Speaker 00

  And so it is hard to truly get rid of it. And I think that's just normal too. It's like natural, you know, human brains and minds were kind of like always fearful of the unknown. And that's where I was at too. So I'm not gonna sit here and be like, well, I didn't doubt myself at all. I felt so confident. That's not the case. But I think I kind of have to sit there, remind myself that I have to rely on body, uh, muscle memory.

• 15:25Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 15:25Speaker 00

  Muscle memory is gonna be my best friend here. And I'm just gonna hope for the best, you know? Maybe things won't go my way. That's okay. I feel really fortunate to be in a position in my career where I've accomplished everything under the sun and more. And so.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  I didn't feel like really strongly about, you know, winning, if that makes

• 15:47Lewis Howes?

  Really? So you weren't, you weren't really concerned like if I get the gold or if I don't get any medals, you were gonna be okay?

• 15:53Speaker 00

  My goal was to get a medal.

• 15:54Lewis Howes?

  Right. And you did it.

• 15:56Speaker 00

  I did it.

• 15:57Lewis Howes?

  Let's go, let's go.

• 15:58Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 15:58Lewis Howes?

  You did it.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  I did it, you know, and that was really challenging in itself because there's so much new talent. I've been doing this for over 10 years professionally, you know, I'm 26 now.

• 16:09Lewis Howes?

  And you've won everything.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  Pretty, I've won everything multiple times.

• 16:11Lewis Howes?

  X game, world championship, Olympic gold multiple times.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  Multiple times and I think I'm really grateful to have had that experience. I've done it all. There literally isn't a single thing I want.

• 16:24Lewis Howes?

  You feel complete.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  Which feels funny, you know, and I kind of got to that place in my early twenties.

• 16:31Lewis Howes?

  That's incredible.

• 16:31Speaker 00

  So I feel like this last time I, this past one, I just wanted to have fun. I just wanted to like enjoy it, you know, obviously this didn't make it as enjoyable as it could have been. But I think I enjoyed every minute of it and there's not a thing I would change.

• 16:46Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:47Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:48Lewis Howes?

  So you don't feel like, you know, you wanted, your goal was to get a medal, didn't matter if it was any medal.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:54Lewis Howes?

  And, but you've won multiple golds.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:57Lewis Howes?

  So was there anything inside of you that was like, okay, you know, I got a silver, but it wasn't the gold. Was there any part of you that felt like, maybe, I don't know, that was let down in any way?

• 17:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I think that there's always gonna be a sentimental like disappointment, of course. Like this is again, something that I've trained for, for three years going into it. So I'm also not gonna sit here and be like, oh, well, I'm fine with that. But I think it's important to be kind to yourself in these moments and give yourself that reminder that, like, I also wasn't coming into this games like I had the two other times.

• 17:36Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  You know, I can't.

• 17:38Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, healthy and fully ready and.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  Right. And like going into the other games, I had like two, three months of training under my belt going into the games. And I, here I go into my third one with eight days, period.

• 17:49Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Like that, it's not fair for me to, yes, I can dream and yes, I can hope. But if we're gonna be realistic, I do. It's gonna be very, very difficult and I am gonna need some sort of miracle here, you know?

• 18:04Lewis Howes?

  And you gave your best and so in your mind you're like.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  Yes, and also I wanna say the first two days I had training, cause now we have to count the days. The first two days I had, I had to learn to not get scared of snowboarding again.

• 18:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, not like falling.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  And then day three, it's like I'm throwing myself as hard as I can to do all my tricks that I hadn't done in so long.

• 18:26Lewis Howes?

  And thinking of your routines and what you're gonna do, yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Right, like I haven't done my run, like I haven't learned my tricks back, now I have to do it with one arm, like a tactic. There's like, yes, winning is awesome, but being able to show up on such short notice and just like do what I could is something that I've never done before. And I think at the end of the day, though it wasn't the outcome that, you know, maybe I would have hoped for and everyone else would have hoped for, I still walked away with a very valuable lesson that I don't think I could have learned in any other way.

• 19:02Lewis Howes?

  And what was the greatest lesson you learned from that experience?

• 19:06Speaker 00

  I think grit, like true grit. I did not give up when I could have. You know, people were telling me that maybe it wasn't a good idea to do this. I was not gonna let up. Like I wanted to believe in myself and show myself that I could deal with this. And I could, just that like I could make something out of this. And like I, going to the Olympics is such an honor and a privilege in itself. And I, you know, still had the best result out of the US women's. I really think I accomplished so much more in a way, cause, yeah, I don't know. Like I know if I were healthy and it was, you know, I had all the reps.

• 19:46Lewis Howes?

  You would have crushed it, you would have.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  I would have done exactly what I wanted to do. I had to do such a chill version of what I was planning to do and prepping to do. So, yeah. That's where I'm at.

• 19:58Lewis Howes?

  The great, yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:00Lewis Howes?

  I mean, I think it's like being at peace, knowing that like, okay, I could have won if I was healthier, if I had a full season to train, I knew I could have done, you've already done it before. But it's what I'm hearing you say is like, learning how to stick through it with the uncertainty, with the pain, with having to learn my routine on eight days.

• 20:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:20Lewis Howes?

  And having fun and being positive and knowing that I may win or lose.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:25Lewis Howes?

  That's the real lesson. That's what I'm hearing you say.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  That's the real lesson. Yes, thank you.

• 20:29Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Beautiful way to articulate.

• 20:31Lewis Howes?

  Now,

• 20:34Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, I'm a, I'm a big fan of just psychology and sports psychology, really how to prepare yourself mentally for competition so that you can enjoy the most of it as well.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:45Lewis Howes?

  Is there any sports psychology you've learned over the years or picked up, whether it be like inner game tricks, on breath work, meditation, mindset, visualization, or anything else that has supported you in believing in yourself and being ready and prepared for competition?

• 21:04Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 21:05Lewis Howes?

  Or have you just been a badass since the womb? You know, you just came out and you're just like, I can do this, no problem.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh. I don't know. I actually recently got diagnosed with ADHD.

• 21:14Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 21:14Speaker 00

  Like last week.

• 21:15Lewis Howes?

  Okay, last week.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, and everything made sense.

• 21:18Lewis Howes?

  Tell me more.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  Wow. Um, I definitely had like, just this, I was very impulsive. Um, I, and it was funny because when I was meeting with my psychiatrist, we were like walking through the list of symptoms. And I was like, I have every single one of those symptoms, but it was masked so well in my sport because I think in a way it helped me. You know?

• 21:40Lewis Howes?

  Your ADHD helped you in sports?

• 21:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 21:42Lewis Howes?

  How so?

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Well, because I couldn't focus, but I, but with snowboarding, that was like the thing I could really lock in on.

• 21:49Lewis Howes?

  Because you gotta be in the flow on the slopes. You can't be distracted in the air.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I wasn't. I was so focused whenever I was, when I had my snowboard attached to my feet, like tunnel vision.

• 22:00Lewis Howes?

  You're in the zone.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  In the zone. And I feel like,

• 22:06Speaker 00

  you know, another symptom I had was just chronic exhaustion. So I, after snowboarding, like I didn't want to go hang out with friends. Like I didn't want to go out, like I just wanted a rest. And so I feel like when I was on snow, all I did was snowboard and recover. Snowboard, recover, snowboard, recover. And I also feel like I.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Never really experienced fear.

• 22:27Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, really?

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Really like scared of trying tricks. And I have a very vivid just imagination. So I feel like if I wanted to try a trick, I could visualize it before, you know, without even doing it.

• 22:42Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 22:42Speaker 00

  If I watched videos of other people doing it, I could like gauge what they would be seeing. And that was always fun because then I'd go try it and I would see what I thought I would see.

• 22:51Lewis Howes?

  And you didn't have fear that what you would fall or hurt yourself or not make it or?

• 22:55Speaker 00

  No.

• 22:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, which is kind of crazy.

• 22:58Lewis Howes?

  Huh.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that I I would say that's maybe my one superpower that I had in my sport was just

• 23:08Speaker 00

  I was always ready to go hug myself.

• 23:10Lewis Howes?

  Fearless. But do you think that the ADHD helped you become fearless? Or is it just part of it?

• 23:16Speaker 00

  I think it kind of huh, I don't know how to describe it, but it's almost like because I my mind was always so occupied and busy. I'm always thinking and you know, snowboarding being my sport. It was always about snowboarding for the most part. And so I feel like I've thought about everything snowboarding related and then I would just always think about how I could be better at that because that was the one thing I could focus on. So if I had a bad day on, you know, in training, I'd come back home and really just like think about where it went wrong, what I need to try, different things that I could try, like I would just hyperanalyze and focus on that.

• 23:58Lewis Howes?

  Is this like watching uh videos of yourself doing this or watching other videos or other people and seeing how you could make this happen in your mind or?

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Or like maybe like remember seeing what I was seeing when I was training and then trying to like alter that and correct that.

• 24:13Lewis Howes?

  In your mind?

• 24:13Speaker 00

  In my mind.

• 24:14Lewis Howes?

  So not watching video and doing this, but like a mental rehearsal?

• 24:17Speaker 00

  Mental rehearsal, nonstop obsessive. Nonstop, my mind is so loud. So it did affect my sleep in a lot of ways.

• 24:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Would you be thinking about this all in bed at night and like just rehearsing tricks in your mind?

• 24:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, like whenever at a moment.

• 24:31Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 24:32Speaker 00

  Um, because I'm competitive, you know, I want to go out there the next day and get it right. I don't, I also hate wasting time. So I'm like, all right, I have two more weeks here. Also, sport being weather dependent.

• 24:46Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  Right. I'm like, okay, there's two sunny days. I need to lock in and get this done on these sunny days. So what can I do right now? To prepare for tomorrow.

• 24:56Lewis Howes?

  Do you feel like the constraints of not having snow year round? Actually allowed you to be better than if you had the ability to practice, you know, every week all year round?

• 25:07Speaker 00

  I mean, you still can practice every week all year.

• 25:09Lewis Howes?

  I guess, but you were living here, I guess.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you know, when I first started and started going pro, I would go to New Zealand.

• 25:17Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  I would go to Switzerland, Switzerland, like go on Mountain Hood in Oregon. I'm always on snow. I'd maybe get a month off each year.

• 25:27Lewis Howes?

  Got it.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  But then I got to a point where.

• 25:31Lewis Howes?

  It's exhausting.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  Catching up to me.

• 25:32Lewis Howes?

  It's a lot, right?

• 25:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, I remember when I turned twenty.

• 25:36Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  I was like. I don't think I can do this anymore. Like it hurts, hurts. I also went to college for a year. So I feel like when I came back from that, I was like, wait, there's so many things I'm interested in and it's sad that I don't get to experience those things.

• 25:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:53Speaker 00

  I want to give myself a little more time to become a whole person and not just.

• 25:58Lewis Howes?

  Snowboard.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  Snowboard.

• 25:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Not just the greatest snowboarder of all time, but someone else that also has a life.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would love to have a life seemingly. I don't know. Just, you know, there are other things that I love and I'm very passionate about. And I feel like I started to realize that. When I was at school, actually in certain meeting people that had nothing to do with sports, action sports in general, but were just so smart and passionate about other things in their lives and were working towards those things.

• 26:24Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  I wanted that too. And I feel like I'd already accomplished it in snowboarding and I think naturally developed some curiosity for the other sides of the world and the other sides of things that, you know, maybe I could experience.

• 26:37Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 00

  And so after that awakening, I'll call it, I was like, I don't think I can travel this much anymore. I want to, cause I also recognize that I am not going to snowboard forever. And I think when I was at school, I had this scary realization of what am I going to do after?

• 26:56Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  You know, what am I going to do?

• 26:58Lewis Howes?

  Who am I after sports?

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Exactly. And I feel like I wanted to nurture that when I was still, you know, a teenager, you know, twenty, nineteen, twenty. Um, so I started taking more time for myself. I stopped going to New Zealand and all these places. And I would start training, you know, like mid fall as opposed to starting in mid summer.

• 27:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:23Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. And also, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, but I also heard you never really worked out. You didn't like working out in the gym.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:29Lewis Howes?

  But we actually met in the gym.

• 27:31Speaker 00

  I know.

• 27:31Lewis Howes?

  You're working out.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  I know.

• 27:33Lewis Howes?

  When did that through Roy? Uh, so shout out to Roy. Uh, but when did you start working out or, you know, enjoying it or liking that process?

• 27:43Speaker 00

  I mean, I still don't like.

• 27:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's still hard.

• 27:46Speaker 00

  It's so hard.

• 27:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  You know, I'd much rather be eating.

• 27:50Lewis Howes?

  Sure. Yeah, yeah. Sugar, candy all day.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Eating brunch, you know, with my girls instead of being at the gym for an hour. But I think, so when we first met, when was that?

• 28:00Lewis Howes?

  Probably a year and a half, two years ago, maybe something like that. Uh, somewhere around there. Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:04Lewis Howes?

  Is that kind of when you started?

• 28:05Speaker 00

  That's when I started being more consistent.

• 28:07Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 28:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:08Lewis Howes?

  Why did you decide to, from never working out or not working out that much, except for on the slopes, which is a workout, but going to the gym and working out, I guess, given types of working out?

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:20Lewis Howes?

  Why did you decide to take that on?

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Well, it was kind of my fitness journey is definitely a journey. So let's talk about it. So I think after the first Olympics, twenty eighteen, I, some people were telling me that maybe I should look into a trainer because I had partially torn my ACL when I was fifteen.

• 28:39Lewis Howes?

  A lot.

• 28:39Speaker 00

  And I don't know, I just wasn't that strong in that leg. And so obviously, okay, let's work out and hit the gym. Cool. Met a trainer through Nike. That's also how I met Vinnie was through this trainer. And I just like, wasn't really consistent. Like I would do it for a bit and then I wouldn't and then I'd do it. Yeah. But I'm like, oh, I'm still young and like, I want to have fun during the summer. Like I didn't really learn time management well yet, you know, like schedules and structure. So then COVID happened. I went to school and then COVID happened into going into my spring semester.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  And I put on a lot of weight when I was at college.

• 29:15Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 29:15Speaker 00

  But like, whatever. But then COVID hit and we doubled down. Yeah, it was bad.

• 29:21Lewis Howes?

  You doubled down on the weight gain?

• 29:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:22Lewis Howes?

  Or really?

• 29:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:23Lewis Howes?

  Just like eating and?

• 29:25Speaker 00

  Eating, you know, chilling, not going outside.

• 29:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Um, and then I, I think that's also when I started to work with Roy.

• 29:35Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  It was like during COVID, like the.

• 29:38Lewis Howes?

  Twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  Twenty twenty one, I think. And then I went back to snowboarding and it hurt. Like, oh my gosh.

• 29:47Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 29:47Speaker 00

  Yes, because I gained forty pounds.

• 29:50Lewis Howes?

  Come on.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I was.

• 29:52Lewis Howes?

  Forty pounds of muscle, though, right? You know, you were.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  I wish. I really wish. But yeah, so I was sitting at, you know, forty pounds heavier than I was the last time I snowboarded, and it hurt.

• 30:05Lewis Howes?

  Just like the recovery? I mean, being on the slopes or landing or all of it?

• 30:09Speaker 00

  You know, and I, I think that I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm getting old because it hurts for the first time. But when you think about it.

• 30:15Lewis Howes?

  You were like twenties.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  I know, I know. It should be fine. But it'd be like, if I fall on my butt kind of hard, I'd be bedridden for a week.

• 30:23Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 30:24Speaker 00

  Because, you know, we fall from pretty high.

• 30:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, like thirty, forty feet in the air, I feel like.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, because the wall's twenty two feet. So then you add how much you go from there and then you fall. It's like a lot.

• 30:33Lewis Howes?

  When I go snowboarding and I jump like three feet, I'm like scared to fall. If I do a one eighty, I'm like, ah, I don't want to hurt myself.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  I know.

• 30:40Lewis Howes?

  You're going so high.

• 30:41Speaker 00

  So high and doing all these spins and falling a lot. And it just really felt like I was getting beat up. Then I somehow made it to Beijing, but I was still, you know, carrying extra weight on me. And after that season, I was like, I can't do this anymore.

• 30:56Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 30:57Speaker 00

  This is so painful. It makes me never want to do this again.

• 31:00Lewis Howes?

  It's not enjoyable, huh?

• 31:01Speaker 00

  It's not. It's so hard and I don't like being in this much pain. I'm used to pain, but this is excessive.

• 31:07Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  Over something so small. We fall on our butts all the time and the fact that I couldn't handle it was just really hard for me.

• 31:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  And so that's when I just locked in. After Beijing, I just locked in and I was like, I'm gonna be consistent. I'm gonna go every morning. I'm really gonna stick to this. I'm gonna start jogging. Roy got me onto jogging, started doing Pilates and I feel great. Yeah.

• 31:32Lewis Howes?

  You look fit.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 31:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, we we met in the gym, I'd say there a few different times and I was like, yeah, she's fit.

• 31:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:38Lewis Howes?

  She's shape strong.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Yes, I love it so much.

• 31:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  And I think now I feel good like after workout. So I enjoy how I feel afterwards.

• 31:48Lewis Howes?

  But getting there and starting.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Getting there is rough.

• 31:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  You know, you know, when he has a start on the bike.

• 31:53Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 00

  That's rough. Yeah.

• 31:54Lewis Howes?

  First roll your feet on the thing first and then on the bike. What um, how do you feel getting in the gym the last four years supported you physically for this time around at the Olympics then?

• 32:06Speaker 00

  I think that if I hadn't put that much work in, I don't think I would have been able to come back in the way I did.

• 32:15Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz you know, people will still compete in their respective sports with injuries.

• 32:22Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  Um, and sometimes you need like expedited rehab to get you there, you know, for something like the Olympics, like a really important game or whatever. Um, I think the reason why a lot of athletes are able to do that and have such a quick turnaround is because they put in the work before. You know, our muscles do protect us from a lot of things, you know, people. I have a partially torn ACL and so I got my legs really strong and now everything's supported because my legs are strong. Um, I have a thing with my shoulder, you know, my arms are strong, so like it can just support it a bit more than if I didn't.

• 32:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  Have all those, you know, just put all that time into it. And I think that overall, I just feel healthier, like I feel like I'm not in as much pain as I typically would be after a season. Cuz even one trip to snow, you get pretty banged up.

• 33:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  You know? And so it's nice that when I come home, like, yes, I'm sore, but I can bounce back pretty quickly and find, you know, just peace and painlessness.

• 33:26Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Pretty quickly.

• 33:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I mean, now, when was the, was it a couple of months ago that the Olympics ended, right?

• 33:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:33Lewis Howes?

  Couple of months ago. Now you had a little bit of time to kind of reflect. What is, what's the vision for the next few years for you? And you've accomplished everything. Like you said, you accomplished your goal this time around.

• 33:48Lewis Howes?

  It, you know, is it trying to create new experiences in life? Are you still trying to train? Like, what's next for your sports career?

• 33:57Speaker 00

  I think, you know, I like to give myself time. I feel like I still haven't fully settled.

• 34:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  Cause we get, we are so busy post Olympics.

• 34:06Lewis Howes?

  Interviews.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  All over the place. Yeah. So I feel like I'm still in the midst of the chaos, but.

• 34:12Lewis Howes?

  You're still in the Olympics.

• 34:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm still there. Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  But I don't, so yeah, I don't know.

• 34:19Lewis Howes?

  You're not sure.

• 34:19Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't know. And I don't think I need to know anytime soon. I feel like I have time to make decisions and I feel like there's a lot of like big decisions that are gonna need to be made. And I also wanna honor that. I am a person outside of this too, and I wanna continue to nurture that side of myself. And so I'm again, really blessed to be in a position where there's not something else I want really badly enough to where I'm gonna have tunnel vision and just lock in on that one thing. I think now I'm in a position where I can kind of do what feels right for me.

• 34:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  That makes sense.

• 34:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I've been watching some of your content, just of you talking about your interests outside of sports. And you know, you talking about your relationship a lot more online and sharing photos of you guys. I'm curious, what's the biggest lesson that he's taught you through this journey? As he's top in the world of what he does and shout out Cleveland Browns, but I'm from Ohio. But is there any lesson that he's taught you through this journey from one elite athlete to another?

• 35:25Speaker 00

  First of all, so inspirational.

• 35:27Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  It's been really fun to be by his side and support him and watch him do all of these amazing things. Um, there's, he's the most deserving.

• 35:35Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 35:36Speaker 00

  He works so hard.

• 35:37Lewis Howes?

  Hard.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  And I think that's definitely a big takeaway.

• 35:40Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 35:42Speaker 00

  So consistent, like he's always working his butt off no matter what. Sick when he, sometimes he's like so sick. I remember one time he was like coughing all night, did not get much sleep, still shows up, goes to the gym, does his ridiculously hard two hour workout. The only trade off is is he'll take like a six hour nap.

• 36:01Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  After.

• 36:02Lewis Howes?

  I'm out, yeah, yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  But he's getting everything he needs to do first and then he's, you know.

• 36:07Lewis Howes?

  Sleeping, body work, everything, yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  Me on the other hand, I'm like, absolutely not. I am not doing this. I need to be babyed. I need someone to take care of me.

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  If I'm coughing, I'm sleeping.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. Um.

• 36:18Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  So that's something I really admire about him.

• 36:21Lewis Howes?

  So he's very disciplined no matter what.

• 36:22Speaker 00

  So disciplined, so stubbornly disciplined.

• 36:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 36:26Speaker 00

  There are moments where I'm like, maybe don't push yourself so hard. Like you slept for two hours. Like this can't be good for you. He's like, no, I gotta go.

• 36:33Lewis Howes?

  He wants to be great.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  And I, now I'm like, do your thing, you know.

• 36:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Lesson learned.

• 36:38Lewis Howes?

  So that mindset, but it seems like he has a lot of fun too with you. I mean, at least like, what's the lifestyle for you guys?

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:43Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, it's fun because we have so many things in common. So it's really easy and I feel like us both being athletes, we get each other too. There are a lot of times I'm like, yeah, yeah, you're good.

• 36:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:54Speaker 00

  You're good.

• 36:54Lewis Howes?

  So when was the first time you won a big competition? What year was that? Or how old were you?

• 36:59Speaker 00

  Hmm. I think I've won multiple big competitions for the first time, like the first big competition I won. Um, it was like for the youth division.

• 37:08Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  I was nine.

• 37:09Lewis Howes?

  Nine.

• 37:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:10Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  It's cool. It was my first international competition.

• 37:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  And yeah, I was like fifteen and under was the age.

• 37:19Lewis Howes?

  And you won at nine?

• 37:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:20Lewis Howes?

  You're being fifteen year olds? That's crazy. Wow.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  I know.

• 37:25Lewis Howes?

  So that was what? Is that fifteen years ago? Fifteen, sixteen years ago? Like your first big competition that you won?

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:31Lewis Howes?

  Right? International level?

• 37:32Speaker 00

  Years ago.

• 37:32Lewis Howes?

  If you could go back and speak to, you know, nine year old Chloe with all the wisdom and lessons you've learned.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:40Lewis Howes?

  Knowing everything you're going to accomplish over the last fifteen, sixteen years.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:44Lewis Howes?

  What wisdom or advice would you share with her if she was sitting right across from you?

• 37:50Speaker 00

  I feel like this is a very common question and I love the idea about like, you know, I love the idea. At the same time, though, I don't think I would say anything. And I think that's also a very common response. Because not that it's a bad question or anything. I think it's more so just. I became who I am because of everything I experienced in the way that I did. And I don't think.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  I would change anything about my journey to get here. I think everything that I injured, whether it be. Amazing or incredibly difficult was all meant to be. And I think. That's how I learned to navigate such difficult moments in my life. Um, I think sport is one of the greatest lessons.

• 38:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes, it is.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  And, you know, I, I am so grateful that I got to grow. In a sport and go through some really intense moments at such a young age. Because now I feel like I can. Get through whatever and accomplish whatever I put my mind to. Yeah.

• 38:54Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. What's the biggest lesson your dad taught you from all those years of? Supporting and coaching and encouraging and investing in time to. Support you in accomplishing your dreams and goals as well.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  Hmm. My dad's taught me a lot and I think very common in Asian families, but dads typically tend to be a bit more. Emotionally distant and that's where we butt heads the most.

• 39:22Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, cuz I would just be having a bad day, whatever, and he would just be so frustrating to me and like. My dad's such a talker. He loves talking. Like if you run into him on the street and say we know each other, like he will talk to you for hours. So much to say. Um, but I think my dad is.

• 39:44Speaker 00

  He taught me, it's a good question. He's taught me so much. Is there anything that really stands out in that way?

• 39:54Speaker 00

  I think he just taught me how to be, like to, he taught me what support, like the true definition of love and just support as a parent. Just blindly trusting that this is gonna work, that we're gonna do everything we can on our end to make this happen. And like he's going to love and support me unconditionally. You know, even though some days he's spending all this money to send me off to training and I had a terrible time training, always just like believe that it's gonna work out some way, shape or form and that he's going to support me until the very end, until we go completely broke. Which is when I was, which is when I was gonna be thirteen.

• 40:37Lewis Howes?

  And then you started making some money and started working out, yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 00

  Now we're moving, now like, now we can like buy tickets for planes.

• 40:46Lewis Howes?

  Well, that's great.

• 40:49Lewis Howes?

  Now I'm a, you know, I'm a new dad. I have twenty girls, five and a half months old.

• 40:55Lewis Howes?

  Is there any advice you have for me, you know, for being the best father I can be to young girls who have their own dreams and hopes and goals? Any advice you'd give to me or any other fathers out there who have daughters?

• 41:11Speaker 00

  My advice to you as someone with no kids.

• 41:15Lewis Howes?

  For someone who had a, uh, sounds like a father that was really encouraging. And I'm sure it wasn't perfect all the time and it was like, maybe he was hard or whatever, but from what you experienced with your father, any advice of what to do, what not to do, or encouragement for fathers out there?

• 41:30Speaker 00

  I would say just to be as present as possible. Honestly, I think experience is the greatest teacher. And I can't sit here and be like, well, support them. Like that could mean different to your daughters. That could mean, mean something entirely different to you, but I think you have to be open to learning and growing and evolving with them. And just being present, you know, and just being there.

• 41:58Lewis Howes?

  Do you feel like your dad was pretty present most of the time or was he just driven on you accomplishing and getting better mostly?

• 42:04Speaker 00

  I think he was, my, my dad also definitely has ADHD.

• 42:09Lewis Howes?

  He's all over the place too.

• 42:10Speaker 00

  He's like all over the place, but he always showed up.

• 42:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  And he was, he is the most reliable person in my life.

• 42:17Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 42:18Speaker 00

  Um, you know, I'll call him and if I'm washing my hands on FaceTime and he hears the sink make a funny sound. He's like, I'm coming over tomorrow afternoon to fix that.

• 42:28Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  The water is like weird. Um, I think he always is similar to me and I feel like I kind of took this from him. But before I was obsessively thinking about how to be a better snowboarder, he was doing that for me. And so he'd always come up with cool new ideas.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  My dad recognized one time randomly that, so I'm goofy, right?

• 42:53Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Um.

• 42:54Lewis Howes?

  Which people means, what does it mean for people that go, you're silly in life too.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  I'm goofy. No, so goofy and snowboarding means that your right foot is forward.

• 43:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 00

  Um, but my dad felt like if my back arm was flailing while I was snowboarding, it would make me really unstable.

• 43:14Lewis Howes?

  If your left arm was flailing.

• 43:15Speaker 00

  Like my back arm.

• 43:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  So my dad attached this like little tennis keychain. It was a little ball on my pants and he made me hold that while I was snowboarding and doing tricks. Pretty much.

• 43:32Lewis Howes?

  That's interesting.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  And so now when I snowboard, it was so, but it worked like my arms are very stable.

• 43:38Lewis Howes?

  As opposed to like out here.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  It's like flailing around out there.

• 43:41Lewis Howes?

  And that's what he used to do.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. So it works. My dad was an engineer, so he has this engineer mind and he's always thinking all these things. And he also, this is before it was common. So when I started doing well in competitions is because I became really good at riding switch. So switch means I'm riding in the opposite way. So now my left foot is forward.

• 44:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  It's unnatural to me.

• 44:03Lewis Howes?

  So hard. Every time I switch into goofy, I'm like, ah, I feel like I'm gonna fall every time.

• 44:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:07Lewis Howes?

  So you got good at riding both sides.

• 44:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. So my dad would make me, you know, he'd get mad when I didn't do it because it was so important to him. And in hindsight, for me as a snowboarder now, to be good at riding switch. So whenever I was getting on the chairlift, it had to be switch. Whenever I was riding down to the half pipe had to be switch. Everything had to be switch. Um, I had to like do. A whole day in the half pipe just switch hitting all the going off all the jumps which doing everything I could switch. Cause he really wanted me to get good at writing switch and he recognized before I did that. Switch writing is going to be really, really helpful.

• 44:48Lewis Howes?

  Huge. Oh, it's gonna be huge, right? And now it's like you have to like reverse almost to be good.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 44:55Lewis Howes?

  It gets you more points, right?

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Yes. Yeah. So back then though, no one was really doing that. Except for the Sochi Gold medalist Caitlin Farrington. She's really good at spinning backside and was really good at writing switch.

• 45:07Lewis Howes?

  And you were what 13 then, is that right? So he was like, you need to start doing this in order. He really saw the future.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  He saw me do it way before then though.

• 45:14Lewis Howes?

  Wow. But he saw the future like, okay, when you're 16, when you're 20, when you're 24. If you're not doing this, you're not gonna win.

• 45:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:21Lewis Howes?

  Or this will give you a greater chance.

• 45:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:24Lewis Howes?

  That's some great vision from your father.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. So we definitely but heads a lot because to me, I'm like, this is so dumb. Like I should just be working on bigger tricks in my natural way. But he was like, no.

• 45:36Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So you gotta listen to your dad sometimes, right? If you didn't want to.

• 45:40Speaker 00

  I do. Yeah. I mean, now we have a much better relationship. I think after the first Olympics, he was kind of able to let me go. He definitely was a tiger parent.

• 45:49Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 45:50Speaker 00

  A thousand percent. Again, I didn't want to snowboard. Like that wasn't my sport. So I kind of just did it and you know.

• 45:59Lewis Howes?

  You did it because he wanted you to do it.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Pretty much.

• 46:01Lewis Howes?

  But at least he was showing up with you all those times, right? He was like, he had to be on the slopes with you.

• 46:05Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 46:07Lewis Howes?

  So you're spending some, I guess, quality time together too. You're spending a lot of.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:11Lewis Howes?

  But he was on top of you.

• 46:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. My dad is was a very intense person. So it was hard. It's hard. I definitely have some trauma, but. But we're in such a good place now that I think as I reflect. Um, you know, whether it be in therapy or on my own, I am really grateful for him.

• 46:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  Thank you. At the end of the day. Regardless of how much you love somebody, you can still hurt them and we definitely hurt each other.

• 46:37Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 00

  So, yeah, I think very forgiving, like I understand where he's coming from, like, could he have been a little better? Absolutely, but I can't hold that against him.

• 46:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, but he also helped you become the greatest of all time. So that's.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 46:50Lewis Howes?

  You know, this.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:52Lewis Howes?

  And you didn't ruin the rela- he didn't ruin the relationship, which is good. I'm curious, you've mentioned therapy, you've mentioned you've talked to a psychologist before. I've worked with sports psychologists, I've worked with different therapists over the years for my own personal healing journey.

• 47:07Lewis Howes?

  What is the biggest lessons you've learned through therapy and starting to create awareness around having ADHD and your own healing experience?

• 47:15Speaker 00

  Hmm. I think, I think I started really actually going to therapy. I think it's been almost two years now.

• 47:25Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  And it wasn't sport related, but I I tried to go to, you know, see sports psychologists and whatnot to get better in my sport. But I was getting kind of frustrated because it just felt like you guys don't know what I'm talking about. So I don't really want to sit here and explain everything to you. Because I feel like if I have to explain it to you, you don't understand.

• 47:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  And I'm paying you to like.

• 47:45Lewis Howes?

  Trust in the answer.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Right, I don't trust you at all. And so I was like, okay, maybe I need therapy. The reason for therapy wasn't sport related is mainly because I felt that I wasn't, it just felt like I wasn't being a good person.

• 48:00Lewis Howes?

  In life?

• 48:00Speaker 00

  In life.

• 48:01Lewis Howes?

  Like friends, family, press, or like?

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Friends, family, relationships, all of it. I just felt like I was not showing up in the way that I should. And I think that made me very concerned because my intentions are always good, like I always want to be a good person, but sometimes it was so hard to be that and.

• 48:25Lewis Howes?

  Did someone confront you and say, hey, you're not really not showing up for me? Or you're kind of like got a bad attitude every time you're around me? Or is it more an internal? Yeah, I'm really, you know, I saw someone was hurt or whatever. Like, how did you come to this?

• 48:36Speaker 00

  I think it was a combination because I think that. Everyone in my life is so kind and so supportive and so giving and genuine. And I think that, you know, they also were very understanding that I'm experiencing a lot. You know, they see how busy my life is. They see how much pressure, you know, people are putting on to me. They're seeing all of it.

• 49:01Lewis Howes?

  You're so young at the time. You're twenty, twenty-one, whatever it is. Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Very unstable, like a very unstable person.

• 49:08Lewis Howes?

  You're trying to figure out your life.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 49:10Lewis Howes?

  I didn't start figuring things out until my early thirties.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:13Lewis Howes?

  It was like, you really don't know who you are. You're as a twenty-one year old.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:16Lewis Howes?

  And you have all this pressure and everyone's asking you questions like.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. So really grateful for everyone being so understanding. But I think for me, I, I would also catch it. You know, catch it, be like, damn. I don't think that was nice.

• 49:31Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Damn, like, I don't think I should have handled things that way, but it was so hard for me to recognize that in the moment, like stop myself from getting there. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna try to go to therapy. And I love my therapist. She's great. Um, awesome. Love catching up with her. And we made a lot of progress, like, like, a lot of progress with my mentality, like the way that I expressed myself. It was a lot of hard work. I was seeing her three times a week.

• 50:03Lewis Howes?

  I've been there. I've done that before, three times a week, like five hours on a weekend or, yeah, I couldn't.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:09Lewis Howes?

  You gotta go all.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Urgencies.

• 50:10Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  Like, hey, like, I know it's eleven, but like, oof, girl, I need you.

• 50:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  You know, so shout out to her for showing up for me always. But the ADHD, I just felt like, you know, I have been working on myself for two years, not expecting a full one eighty in two years. But it still feels like a lot of time and like a lot of sessions. And she's great. And I feel like I'm being very receptive and I'm doing my best. And I can recognize the changes that I've made through our sessions. However, there's this one little thing that wouldn't quite go away. And it was, I, I just like was a very reactive person.

• 50:51Lewis Howes?

  Like if you were triggered by something, you would react.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  Boom.

• 50:54Lewis Howes?

  Explode.

• 50:55Speaker 00

  Explode.

• 50:56Lewis Howes?

  Like, how would this be? You'd scream, you'd say something you didn't like, you would walk away.

• 51:01Speaker 00

  Like, I would feel it, like, my, I would get so hot, like, so warm, so, like.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  I I don't know, like maybe see red kind of vibes, but not really like I would never hurt anyone.

• 51:14Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  But

• 51:15Lewis Howes?

  You'd feel it.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  Just like just feel my heart starts racing like my mind is going a million miles an hour. I'm thinking about all these things. And I hated that.

• 51:25Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  Because I always wanted to be calm. Understanding, logical, assess the situation before, you know, having any type of reaction. But I couldn't even do that. I was like instant boom. I don't like that. That triggered me. Blah.

• 51:43Lewis Howes?

  You say whatever you said.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:45Lewis Howes?

  Or you do something or you walk away or whatever.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And like, you know, I'm not breaking stuff.

• 51:49Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, of course.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  You know, very upset. And I didn't like that. And so I just felt like it was more than like, I didn't feel like. I felt like it was too big of an issue for me to wait another two, three years for it to get better.

• 52:05Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 52:05Speaker 00

  If that makes sense.

• 52:06Lewis Howes?

  Cause it wasn't getting better by itself.

• 52:08Speaker 00

  It wasn't getting, yeah, like, you know, I think if I wasn't good at communicating or like expressing my emotions. You know, outside of a really like triggering environment, that, okay, we can take the two, two to five years to work on that. But like me feeling enraged in that way is not something I wanna work towards for another three years.

• 52:29Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  So.

• 52:30Lewis Howes?

  You're like, I need this to happen now. I need to resolve this.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Cause I didn't like how I felt after. It made me really sad.

• 52:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  Regret, but I just felt like there was nothing I could do to get out of that in those moments. So. So psychiatrist. And mind you, this, these wouldn't happen often.

• 52:46Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  That's another thing. Like it wasn't like everything. Like freaking out every day. No.

• 52:50Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 52:51Speaker 00

  But like, I liked structure. I like consistency. I like all of that. And so when all of those things would fall through, like I would start feeling it.

• 52:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  So yeah, I saw psychiatrist and he. Was like, wow. So you have like severe ADHD. It's severe. And you also um have depression and anxiety. But he was like, your ADHD is so severe. Let's regulate that first because the depression and the anxiety can also be caused by the ADHD.

• 53:23Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 53:24Speaker 00

  So, yeah, I feel good.

• 53:28Lewis Howes?

  But you feel like a lot more like calm and relaxed and less reactive.

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Much more calm, relaxed. Like, I feel like I had multiple situations come up in the past week where that would have been kind of not triggering, but like a little stressful to me and anxiety inducing. But I was like, okay, no worries. Like, let's just pivot. I was like, wow.

• 53:48Lewis Howes?

  Look at you, started shift, yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 00

  I know, and I also had my a session with my therapist yesterday and I was like, I still want to work with you, but I feel like now during our sessions, I can actually start just healing my trauma and like talking about those things because I'm not so caught up emotionally about what happened two days ago. Now I can start talking about like things that I should.

• 54:09Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. So a lot of your sessions were around like this just happened. I need to figure out what to do now.

• 54:15Speaker 00

  Because my mind just is freaking out over something all the time. I was, I was so insane. I would like talk to myself in the car because my mind is so crazy that I'm like having conversations with myself in the car because my mind will not shut up. Sleeping was terrible, nonstop. So it was like snowboarding was the most chill time for me.

• 54:33Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Because I could just focus on snowboarding.

• 54:35Lewis Howes?

  You're in the zone.

• 54:36Speaker 00

  But the minute I got out of it, oh, my gosh.

• 54:39Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And so now what I'm hearing you say is when you meet with your therapist, you can actually go back to the root of what's causing the stress or where the trigger lies or wherever the wound is emotionally or psychologically, right?

• 54:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, because I was going to my therapist already triggered.

• 54:53Lewis Howes?

  Like, I just had this happen today.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know how to deal with this. Yeah.

• 54:56Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 54:57Speaker 00

  So I'm really excited about that.

• 54:59Lewis Howes?

  So you haven't you haven't unpacked what that kind of deeper root causes yet.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  No.

• 55:04Lewis Howes?

  It's just now starting.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:06Lewis Howes?

  Well, I'm excited for you.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 55:07Lewis Howes?

  Because this is where, I mean, it sounds like you've done a lot of work to get here in the last couple of years. And I I encourage you to keep diving deep because it's can be terrifying and scary.

• 55:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:19Lewis Howes?

  But it can, I used to have chest pain for years, like, like a sharp chest pain. And I used to feel like. Someone was choking me.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 55:27Lewis Howes?

  Just because of the psychological and emotional wounds that I was holding on to from the past. And I remember after going deeper and deeper into therapy, I I got to a place where I could finally like heal my heart as weird as this sounds, like the pain in a moment, it like all made sense in my nervous system where the pain went away.

• 55:52Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 55:53Lewis Howes?

  And I felt free for the first time.

• 55:55Speaker 00

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 55:56Lewis Howes?

  The first time this is about four or five years ago.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  And how long did that process take?

• 56:00Lewis Howes?

  I mean, I've been doing different therapy. So I mean, I started when I was forty three now. So I started when I was thirty kind of going to workshops and doing therapy. I did that for maybe a year, two years, and it really helped me heal a lot. I mean, I went through a lot of stuff as well. And then I maybe didn't go back for many years because I felt like a lot better. But then new things came up from a different relationship that triggered me. And I was like, oh, there's still more inside of me that's holding me back. And why do I have this pain? And why is this going on? So I went back again and and I felt like it doesn't mean every day is perfect. I still get like frustrated. But I don't hold on to the pain.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:43Lewis Howes?

  I still can get triggered and reactive, but I don't explode like I did ten fifteen years ago.

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 56:49Lewis Howes?

  So I react in different ways. I catch myself much faster and I typically respond a lot better.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:55Lewis Howes?

  I'm not like, yeah, I shouldn't have done that anymore. You know, whereas in the past was like, I really need to apologize for what I said or how I reacted.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:04Lewis Howes?

  And I'm just like, okay, I just didn't feel good. But I learned to respond with more peace. Or I learned to like pause and not say anything until I was ready. Or I didn't send that email from her anger. I slept on it and then I edited it. And then I said that, you know, it's like, it's learning.

• 57:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:21Lewis Howes?

  I guess the psychological and emotional tools.

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Damn, you're sending off heated emails.

• 57:27Lewis Howes?

  I mean, texts, emails, I mean, all sorts of stuff, probably. I mean, I can't remember how this stuff, you know, but it's like, I got into fistfights.

• 57:33Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 57:33Lewis Howes?

  You know, playing basketball games in West Hollywood, probably right near, right near where you train.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:39Lewis Howes?

  I was in the basketball court 13 years ago and I got a fistfight for just being triggered by a guy.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 57:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it was like explosive. And so I've had to learn how to heal, but it's all coming from a root cause of like the wounds.

• 57:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally.

• 57:52Lewis Howes?

  And, you know, you had different wounds, I had wounds, everyone's got wounds. But it's learning how to mend those wounds have given me a lot of peace.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 58:01Lewis Howes?

  And then it's also refreshing and staying in that process of healing as it's always, it's an ongoing journey.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:07Lewis Howes?

  You know, it's just like I could easily fall back into it if I'm not practicing. And so that's why I'm really excited to hear this about you because I think a lot of people might see you and say, you know, Chloe's got it all figured out. She's a world champion. She's the greatest of all time. She's got it put together. She's got the great relationship, you know, she's fashion week. She's doing all the cool things. But to hear you speak about this. Wow, it's not a facade. It's, it's a part of what you've created. But what I'm hearing you say, this is the stuff I'm most excited about.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:40Lewis Howes?

  Cause I think so many people, hearing this, it gives them permission to say, oh, okay, if I've got some triggers, it's okay for me to go and, and look into it. And it's not something I could be, I have to be ashamed of. It's something I can be excited about figuring out how to respond differently. And so I'm really excited that you're sharing this.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Thank you. And thank you for sharing. Wow, look at us. You deserve one of these.

• 59:04Lewis Howes?

  But I just think it's, you know, as an athlete, I grew up playing sports and I was, you know, I played arena football. So I was never good as your boyfriend. But I played arena football and I was a decathlete and.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Oh, wow.

• 59:15Lewis Howes?

  And I'm currently, you know, I was on the USA.

• 59:18Speaker 00

  That's intense.

• 59:18Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I mean, I've, I've had my own sports journey.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 59:22Lewis Howes?

  And I love your advice as well. I don't know if you see this over here. This is a handball. I'm currently, I've been on the USA national team for team handball for almost a decade. So I'm still pursuing my Olympic dream in LA 2028. And I haven't been on the USA team in about five years, but I played for almost a decade with the team. So I'm trying to get back into the USA national team.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 59:45Lewis Howes?

  To go to the Olympics here in LA in two and a half years. And it's my own journey because most of the athletes are 23 years old. I'm 43. So I'm 20 years older than most of the athletes. So I've got my own challenges that I'm that I'm facing right now. And at this age, it's not about training 10 hours a day and over going the extra mile. It's actually about doing the bare minimum at the highest levels possible. So I can recover more, right?

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:14Lewis Howes?

  And so I'm curious, and I really believe the emotional healing has given me the longevity as an athlete as well. So I'm curious, your advice for me as an athlete trying to pursue the Olympic dream where there's no guarantee for me.

• 1:00:30Lewis Howes?

  And this will be my last chance, LA 2028. What advice do you have for me as I've been pursuing this for 16 years? Trying to being on and off the USA national team.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Lewis Howes?

  And I'm still pursuing it at this season of life. Any advice you have for me with all the experience, wisdom and success you have as an Olympian?

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh, I feel like I can't give you advice on this like because what you're doing is so incredible, you know?

• 1:00:57Lewis Howes?

  Thank you.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  And I.

• 1:00:59Lewis Howes?

  There's no guarantees I'm gonna make the team.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I don't think that matters. I think what matters right now is that one, you are working so hard to accomplish this dream of yours. I think that's incredible in itself. I think the only thing I would say maybe is to not compare yourself to anybody. You know, you truly don't know what's going on. It maybe isn't all glitz and glamour like as we're learning about ourselves. Just do what you do best. You know, there's only one you and just because you're a little bit older than everyone else doesn't mean that you won't be able to accomplish it. I think at the end of the day, hard work beats talent. And it sounds like you're working pretty damn hard.

• 1:01:42Lewis Howes?

  Working hard, yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  I mean, you've already won.

• 1:01:48Lewis Howes?

  That's the goal, but how do you not?

• 1:01:52Lewis Howes?

  What advice would you give to me or someone pursuing a goal or a dream in life, whether it's the Olympics or anything else? How do you not?

• 1:02:01Lewis Howes?

  How do you focus on the process without thinking about the prize? Of whether it's the medal, the team, the money, the relationship? How do you focus on the process even though you have the goal in mind? But not being attached to the outcome?

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  Control what you can control.

• 1:02:17Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  You know? Like? You, the things you can control, you can work hard, you can be disciplined. You can, you know? Be mindful about your recovery, invest in yourself.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  Though it may seem selfish in the beginning. It's not. I think investing in yourself is the greatest gift that you could give yourself. Um, I think set little goals.

• 1:02:45Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:46Speaker 00

  And I think it makes the journey much more exciting than dreadful.

• 1:02:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  I think it's so easy to look two, five, 10 years into the future and being like, oh, my gosh, that's so crazy. Like, I don't know if I'll be able to do that. I'm not, maybe, you know, I'm not good enough yet. I don't know if I'll be healthy. I don't know what my life is gonna look like that I'm scared. My therapist tells me that humans are naturally scared of the unknown. So that anxiety, the fear, the doubt is so natural and normal. Um, but at the end of the day, if you set small goals for yourself, control what you can control, I feel like you're gonna look up one day and be exactly where you wanted to be.

• 1:03:31Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Lewis Howes?

  That's, it's so interesting now we're talking and you're saying this to me that you're actually a part of my Olympic journey dream because two years ago, I hadn't played in four years because I got injured. I hurt my Achilles.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:03:44Lewis Howes?

  So I was playing up until about 2020 and then COVID happened. I was going through a breakup. I hurt my Achilles and I was like, maybe I'm done.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:52Lewis Howes?

  And maybe this Olympic dream is over. And then a couple of years go by and I start recovering and I actually call Vinny. And I say, Vinny. This dream is still alive, this Olympic dream. I go, can you help me? Give me a game plan and work with me. And he goes, connect with Roy, come in here, come into mild detox, I'll work on you, connect with Roy. And so I started training with Roy. And probably, I don't know, six months after that, I meet you and I see you in there. And he's like, yeah, Chloe's in here and she's working on her stuff. And so you're actually a part of my Olympic journey is inspiring me when we were in the gym together. And it's kind of cool, you know, two years later now, we're talking about this and there's two more years to go for this journey for me, but.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  I'm so excited.

• 1:04:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's cool. I'm curious about, and you mentioned like this doubt again. Um, and I've got a few more questions for you, but you mentioned about this doubt. How do people? A lot of people tie their self-worth with their performance and the results.

• 1:04:52Lewis Howes?

  How have you learned to not tie your inner self-worth with the results of Olympic? Gold or success?

• 1:05:02Speaker 00

  I think you just have to be present. I think we accomplished so many great things on a day-to-day basis. You know, whether it be getting up in the morning, you know, taking care of ourselves, spending time with our loved ones, whatever that may be. I think that it's so, again, easy to look at other people's lives and compare yourselves and maybe wish that that were yours, but I always think that you're exactly where you're supposed to be. And

• 1:05:36Speaker 00

  like, I think awards and all of that are great. It's instant gratification. You're standing at the top of the podium, you're walking away with this big trophy.

• 1:05:46Speaker 00

  But as somebody who's experienced it multiple times, I would say that at the end of the day, it never. After the first.

• 1:05:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, the first gold medal.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  It doesn't hit the same.

• 1:05:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I think I wish that I had celebrated maybe like my smaller wins. And maybe if I had done that, all my wins would have met a bit more.

• 1:06:10Lewis Howes?

  Did you ever celebrate the wins or did you just kind of like on to the next, on to the next?

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  It was always on to the next.

• 1:06:16Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  Yes. Like after my first gold, I started prepping for my next competition. And it was a little hectic because I had to do a bunch of press after the Olympics and like, you know, even after my first X Games medal when I was thirteen, who was like the youngest to get a medal.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  It was just straight to the next. I went to, you know, Switzerland in my next event. Like I never took a moment to celebrate my wins.

• 1:06:42Lewis Howes?

  Do you even, do you even have like dinner afterwards and say, okay, let's celebrate this and have a moment? Or is it more of like?

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I feel like I also just was, I am more of an introvert. I just want to lay in bed.

• 1:06:57Speaker 00

  I'm tired, I'm overstimulated, I just want to lay down. But I also think that my mindset was a bit messed up because I always felt like every time I was on the podium. I was like, well, yeah, that's what I should be.

• 1:07:16Lewis Howes?

  I'm meant to be here.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  I'm meant to be here, like I have to be here. And that was really hard for me and I experienced that for over ten years. I was like, yeah, well, I felt like if I didn't win, that was a problem, you know, then I did bad if I didn't win. And that was something I had to talk my way out of.

• 1:07:38Lewis Howes?

  Like mental work, mental talk, yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 00

  Because it became so toxic and I didn't like the way it made me feel.

• 1:07:43Lewis Howes?

  How'd you learn to talk? What did you say to talk yourself out of that?

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:07:50Lewis Howes?

  Or what did you think?

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  I think that, hmm.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  I don't know if I really had to. I think it was more of a shift in perspective. Where I recognize that I love all the girls I compete with. And I'm so happy for them and genuinely I am. And I'm not saying like I would be bummed if I didn't win. You know, I've gotten like, yes, I've won a lot, but I've also not won a lot. And at the end of the day, I'm so happy for all the girls. And I think it had to happen to me once where, you know, I was on, had a winning streak. And then like one of my good friends took the gold. And I genuinely was so happy for her because in that moment, I was like, dude, we train together.

• 1:08:38Lewis Howes?

  This is her dream also.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  Yes, like you are working your butt off, just like I am. Where you're, I've seen her get injured, like I've seen her come back stronger. I've seen her, her name's Coral. She's Spanish. I love her to death. But she kind of broke this winning streak I had. And I was like, I am so happy for you. And I think once I experienced that, it's like, okay, yeah, this is fine. This is great because I do love them. I just think I needed to experience it to form an opinion on it.

• 1:09:09Lewis Howes?

  Cause you hadn't lost in like years, probably.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Lewis Howes?

  You're like, ah, eight years in, I haven't lost.

• 1:09:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. So you took, I mean, and you probably got second or third or something, I'm assuming. So it wasn't like, oh, you know. But what did losing teach you about your life?

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  Well, one, I think, I don't think you could ever call it losing. You know, and that's something you have to learn, you know, teach yourself too, as you navigate this. Because there's no such thing as losing. I think every, it's such an easy thing to say and an easy way to describe something that is complex. So it's almost unfair. So I think, you know, not winning a gold doesn't mean that you failed. It means that. You showed up. You still showed up and you still got there and you still went out there and gave it your all. And I think that alone is winning. I think that's the whole point of sport is showing up even in moments of doubt, even in moments of like, you know, just hardship and struggling and all of that.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  There are so many moments where I'm like, I don't know if I could make it to tomorrow. I don't know if I can show up tomorrow. I don't know if I have it in me. I had such a hard day today. I suck. Like I'm scared. I'm not gonna do well in my competition tomorrow. And if you remove yourself from it, it doesn't matter. Like it doesn't matter. I'm so grateful for all the experiences I've had. Because again, there are so many lessons I've learned through snowboarding that I would have learned so much later down the line in life. That I'm at an advantage in life. Like now I'm in this place where I'm turning twenty six this year and I feel like I have six years of wisdom.

• 1:10:50Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:10:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  I'm sure you've experienced that too through sport, right?

• 1:10:54Lewis Howes?

  I mean, sports taught me everything. I mean, I didn't do well in school. I was like bottom of my class and I couldn't pay attention, you know? So sports was my outlet. It's where I learned all my lessons.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Lewis Howes?

  And it's, it's taught me so much. I wouldn't be where I am without sports.

• 1:11:08Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 1:11:08Lewis Howes?

  But you know, what I'm hearing you say, there is no losing. It's either you win or you learn.

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Lewis Howes?

  It's kind of what I'm hearing you say. It's like you're learning about how you showed up. I think that's really cool. And I'm really, I'm really grateful for you showing up, Chloe. I've got two final questions. That's okay.

• 1:11:25Lewis Howes?

  Before I ask you the final questions, is there any question you wish people asked you more?

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Is this one of the final questions?

• 1:11:34Lewis Howes?

  It's not. It's not. It's just.

• 1:11:36Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't think so. I think, you know, I really appreciate people's curiosity towards me. Um, I really do appreciate it. I think wanting to be known is to be loved. So, you know, if you see me, obviously unless you're asking me a genuinely stupid question that you know is stupid, like I, and I feel like I could sense that. Um, or if you want to joke with me, no worries. Like I'll laugh along, whatever. But I, you know, if people see me out and about, I want them to ask away. I feel like I love sharing whatever I can. I love. I would love if people could learn a little something from me. It doesn't have to be much, whatever. Whether it be like the type of blush I use to like, you know, my mindset going into the competition.

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  Whatever you need from me, I bought you. Yeah.

• 1:12:22Lewis Howes?

  Well, in some other interview, they can ask you about the blush you use. I'll be able to go about the mindset. You got other platforms for that. For me, I'm fascinated about mindset. And for me, it's like, you are the best in the world at what you do. And this is the school of greatness, not the school of average. So it's about understanding the way you think, the way you feel, how you respond. And I'm just, I'm grateful that you're opening up about the things you're learning at this season of life. With all the success you have, knowing there's deeper levels of peace and prosperity and abundance in you. So I'm, I'm really excited about that. I think it's going to help a lot of people. So thank you for sharing that. This is a question, the final two questions, uh, before I ask them, I want people to follow you on social media.

• 1:13:05Lewis Howes?

  Chloe Kim on Instagram and all the different places. You're on a media run right now with, you're still in the Olympic season. So again, I want people to lot, watch all your stuff and check you out on social media and see what you're up to. Is there anywhere else we should send people to, to follow you or to be a part of your platforms?

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  You know what's so funny is I am so bad on social media. I got social media a lot later than my friends did.

• 1:13:34Lewis Howes?

  Just your parents won't let you? Or there was that?

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  I just had no interest.

• 1:13:37Lewis Howes?

  You're like, I just want to snowboard.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I was also the kid that, you know, growing up, I have two sisters. They're my half sisters. And I only say that because there's a quite, quite a big age gap, 10 and 15 years. So while they're watching TV in the house, like I was digging up isopods in the front yard, like trying to find bugs and like, you know, finding little spiders and stuff. I just liked being outside more.

• 1:13:59Lewis Howes?

  It's great.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  So I actually got social media out of necessity because it was when I was 13 and I'd just qualified for the Olympics. Couldn't go and everyone was like, you need to get Instagram. That's where things are going.

• 1:14:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Speaker 00

  But I'm trying, but also like, don't be surprised if in five years, my Instagram is completely gone and I'm on a ranch somewhere. That's my dream.

• 1:14:22Lewis Howes?

  That's good.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:23Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool. Uh, this question is something I ask everyone at the end. It's called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical question. Imagine you get to live as long as you want to live on this earth and you're as old as you want to be. And you get to create and experience and accomplish all of your wildest dreams from this moment until that day. And maybe that's you living on a ranch for the rest of your life. I don't know.

• 1:14:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:45Lewis Howes?

  But hypothetically, it's the end of your life. And for whatever reason, everything you've shared, this conversation, all the videos you've ever made are gone. This hypothetical world. But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons. Three truths that you feel are true to you from your experiences that you would share with people. And this is all we would have of your, your lessons and your content. What would those three truths or three lessons be for you?

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  I feel like on my PR ones, I were like, be kind, be grateful. You know?

• 1:15:20Lewis Howes?

  But what's a real, what's really, what's really inside of you though?

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  Well, I think three might take me a while, but the first one that jumped at me was keep learning. And I only say this because my dad is seventy. He's currently in Japan, going to culinary school.

• 1:15:39Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  And my dad.

• 1:15:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  Is also learning Japanese.

• 1:15:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  And he is walking to classes every day. It's a two mile walk. And he just has always had such a curious mind and just this need for knowledge. And I think he's really inspired me to just, no matter how old you are, you can always try something, learn something, experience something new for the first time.

• 1:16:08Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  So chills, right? He's awesome. Um, I love, I'll show you a picture of him in his school uniform. He looks so cute.

• 1:16:15Lewis Howes?

  That's cool. Yeah, please do.

• 1:16:17Speaker 00

  Um.

• 1:16:18Lewis Howes?

  Keep learning would be your first truth.

• 1:16:20Speaker 00

  Yes. My second truth. Hmm. Take care of yourself. Kind of a broader lesson. But whatever that means to you, for me, taking care of myself is putting myself first.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  I will always do my best to achieve my dreams, my hopes, my ambitions.

• 1:16:55Speaker 00

  And taking care of myself also means to show up for others because that means a lot to me.

• 1:16:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Speaker 00

  You know, I love being the supportive character in one's life. So

• 1:17:04Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:17:05Speaker 00

  So that's a big part of it. Third, have fun. Honestly, have fun. Just have fun. Live your best life.

• 1:17:15Speaker 00

  I know this is so cliche, but like, I mean, I guess when I was a teenager, everyone was like, yellow, yellow. But like, you do want me to live once. Enjoy it.

• 1:17:24Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  And I think these days, whenever I'm going through a difficult time, I try to think about things that I'm grateful for, things that make me happy. I am surrounded by the most incredible people. I feel like I have such a great support system.

• 1:17:40Speaker 00

  You know, if I'm having a bad day, I'll call Miles and like, we'll play games together and that cheers me up or like, call my best friends, always cheer me up, sharing funny stories.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  I think the goal is always to start my day with a smile and end it with one.

• 1:17:55Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:17:56Speaker 00

  That's what I strive for. I don't know if those are good lessons. I'm like,

• 1:17:59Lewis Howes?

  It's powerful. Yeah. And maybe at the end of your life, you'll have different ones, but I think that's, those are three great ones.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  I know. Should we meet back here in like thirty years?

• 1:18:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, sooner than that. Yeah, sooner than that, you'll be back here. Yeah.

• 1:18:09Speaker 00

  Update.

• 1:18:10Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. We'll do an update in a few years. Before I ask the final question, Chloe, I want to acknowledge you because for me, I'm always trying to find people to bring on here who can share unique experiences of life. And you have such a unique experience and I just think you have a fascinating mindset. The way you analyze how you live your life. You know, I know you're laughing, but for me, it's like, most people never have access to this type of information. And I haven't seen you share this much on how you think about pressure, performance, overcoming challenges, therapy, healing, psychology, all in one place. Maybe there's little different things around, but so for me, this is like a masterclass of understanding your mindset of how to live the best life possible.

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  Does it make sense?

• 1:18:56Lewis Howes?

  For me, it does. Yeah, for me, it does. No, for me, it does, but it's like, I've been asking these questions for people for thirteen years on this every week. So I think it's fascinating because

• 1:19:09Lewis Howes?

  You and from this conversation, I've learned that for most of your life, you were driven to accomplish and achieve at the highest level. And in some ways, it came easily for you because you were talented, but it became easy because you were obsessed with like going all in and visualizing and rehearsing in your mind and seeing an idea and saying all night, how can I make this happen tomorrow? And then doing it and acting, acting on that for 20 years, essentially almost, you know? So for me, that level of commitment to accomplishing a dream is really inspiring. But then also on the other side saying, okay, I also recognize there are certain parts of me that I don't like right now,

• 1:19:53Lewis Howes?

  or maybe I didn't like a couple of years ago. And so how can I become better at those things as well? How can I use what I learned in sports for myself? I think that's beautiful. How can I be a better human, a better friend, a better partner, all these different things? A better daughter, you know, it's like, and how can you show up for yourself first at this season? So I think it's really beautiful. I think it's inspiring and I hope a lot of people get value from your lessons. And I just think, again, this is a masterclass that you've shared here on the School of Greatness. So I'm grateful and I acknowledge you for opening up and for being real and authentic and showing us a little bit more behind the way you think. Because I think a lot of people, it will help them understand their own life by understanding yours.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  I hope so.

• 1:20:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, and hopefully we get you back on in a few years and you can give us more lessons about healing and therapy and all the things you learned.

• 1:20:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I love yapping.

• 1:20:48Lewis Howes?

  Perfect, just like your dad, right?

• 1:20:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. But I'm like introverted.

• 1:20:52Lewis Howes?

  I know.

• 1:20:53Speaker 00

  But I like yapping, like a shy yapper.

• 1:20:55Lewis Howes?

  I like it. I like a shy yapper, hashtag shy yapping. Final question, Chloe, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:21:02Speaker 00

  My definition of greatness?

• 1:21:06Speaker 00

  Me, myself and I.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  So funny. Me, myself and I. I think, yeah, I'm great. I bet I deserve it, you know?

• 1:21:17Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  And I think we all do.

• 1:21:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:20Speaker 00

  I think there's no greater feeling than accomplishing everything you've wanted and more. But then it's funny because I want more than that too.

• 1:21:30Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  You know, there's so many other things I want to be great at. So I feel like definition of greatness to me today is gonna shift. And I'm gonna be achieving like the best version of myself.

• 1:21:42Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  You know, in like whatever journey I decide to go on next. But I'm pretty good, right? I'm gonna sit in my greatness for a couple, maybe a little bit more.

• 1:21:55Lewis Howes?

  Let's go.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  And then I'll think about the next definition.

• 1:21:58Lewis Howes?

  I love it.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  But yeah, everyone's great. You're great.

• 1:22:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Awesome. Chloe, thank you so much for being here. Appreciate you.

• 1:22:06Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:22:09Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

• 1:22:53Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.