Jevon Holland Miami Dolphins Safety 2024 season preview, Super Bowl aspirations, Tua and Tyreek's new deals, top ranked defense, life-changing contracts, pride in cultural roots, & changing family generations

“It’s there for the taking, if we put it together it’s literally all on us. We just have to go out there and do what we’ve been doing our whole lives.” Jevon Holland Miami Dolphins Safety on 2024 team goals. The Pivot Training Camp tour is in full swing as we visit NFL cities sitting with players and coaches around the league bringing you exclusive interviews and sideline conversations to get you ready for the football season. From the AFC north, straight down to another AFC powerhouse in the south, Ryan, Channing and Fred sit with Miami's Jevon Holland, for a conversation covering his upbringing, cultural roots, how everything he did as a child helped prepare him for the NFL and how he mentally and physically bounced back from injury. After returning a 99yd interception for a touchdown against the Jets on Thanksgiving Day, Jevon injured his knee later in the game which took him from the highest of highs to a disappointing low, sidelining him for remainder of the year. Now, Heading into this season, Jevon is looking to make a name for himself as one of the top defensive players in the league and believes now is the time for his team to make a Super Bowl run. The Miami Dolphins Captain and once 36th overall NFL pick from University of Oregon, Jevon approaches everyday the same, with a chip on his shoulder and soaking up anything that can give him an advantage against opponents. His pops was a CFL coach who helped tutor him both on and off the field, teaching him work ethic, discipline and focus. What some people would call "woke", Jevon called leadership as he was outspoken and during times of uncertainty in our country and used his platform to raise awareness. He shares with the guys the characteristics of the greatest safeties to play this game and expresses his gratitude for how Jalen Ramsey who has helped take his game to the an entirely new level. Jevon is happy Tyreek Hill got his money and believes that Tua Tagovailoa can lead their team to the promised land, and he's remaining patient for his new contract and believes he will change generations of his family with money made from doing what he loves. He knows that it's time for the Dolphins to put up or shut up, he's paid his dues to the football Gods, reedy for his next chapter and enjoys the bonds he has with teammates. Jevon is the type of leader to invite you over his house any day of the week, but don't mess with his cats and be sure to take your shoes off at the door!! We’re half way through our tour, and will continue to bring sideline views and locker room conversations as we gear up for the return of the NFL season! Don’t miss out as we continue to visit teams and connect with players, coaches and meet fans on each of our Pivot stops! Make sure you subscribe to YouTube for hints on upcoming cities and follow along for more training camp content, only on The Pivot in partnership with Fanatics! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Miami Dolphins captain and standout safety Javon Holland was a dog at the University of Oregon. He was drafted 36th overall and didn't even play his last year of college football. His pops, a CFL coach, tutored him both on and off the field. What some people called woke, Javon called leadership. He tells us the characteristics of some of the greatest safeties to ever play this game and how Jalen Ramsey is helping him take his game to the next level. He believes that Tua Tagovailoa can lead them to the promised land, but he knows it's time for the Dolphins to put up or shut up. He's paid his dues to the football gods and now he's waiting on that contract to make them all even. He's the type of leader that'll invite you over to his house,

• 1:14Ryan Clark?

  but don't mess with his cats and take your shoes off at the door. Sit back, relax and listen to Jevon Holland as the Pivot Training Camp Tour visits the Miami Dolphins. Fellas, fellas, fellas, fellas.

• 1:26Channing Crowder?

  What up, dawg?

• 1:26Fred Taylor?

  What's good with it?

• 1:27Ryan Clark?

  That's her. How you doing, how you doing? What up, my boy?

• 1:30Channing Crowder?

  Y'all play the same position? Yeah, we play the same position.

• 1:34Fred Taylor?

  You're a little bigger than you are, see? You look a little taller.

• 1:37Ryan Clark?

  It's just genetics.

• 1:39Fred Taylor?

  First off, I know he fast.

• 1:40Ryan Clark?

  We we don't get to pick our parents. True. Right? Hereditary, you know, genetics is a real life thing.

• 1:47Channing Crowder?

  They planned it something.

• 1:48Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, some of us are blessed with a little bit more when we leave the hospital than others. But it's what you do with it, though. You know what I'm saying? It's what you do with it.

• 1:56Channing Crowder?

  I say, Vonn is young career now, he doing something with it.

• 1:58Ryan Clark?

  No, he's he a baller, but what what I'm saying is, yes, I didn't have all that. But 13 years later, you know what I'm saying? I walked away when I wanted to.

• 2:06Fred Taylor?

  That's a good number for you.

• 2:08Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you see that, huh?

• 2:09Channing Crowder?

  You wearing 13, you wearing Big Dan. I feel you, brother.

• 2:12Ryan Clark?

  I don't like that, Big Dan. I don't like the way that's.

• 2:14Channing Crowder?

  Reno?

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  I don't like the way that's sound.

• 2:16Channing Crowder?

  Big Dan. I'm gonna say Big Daddy.

• 2:37Ryan Clark?

  Man, welcome to the show, Jevon Holland.

• 2:39Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 2:39Ryan Clark?

  Big time safety, Miami Dolphins. This is The Pivot, a part of Fanatics. Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor. I'm Ryan Clark. You know, Channing was talking about you before you came in and he was like, yeah, one day, he's gonna take our jobs. Problem is, people at your position make so much money now, you probably aren't gonna wanna do our jobs and travel around the way we do. He mentioned your father though, and he's like, man, his dad coached him and all of those things. Your pops sent you a message and he said, you know, "I wish I had me when I was your age." What was your answer to that?

• 3:14Speaker 05

  I told him he was right. I told him he was right, man. My pops, uh, he's got, he's got a knack for knowing when to say the right thing. That came at a time, uh, it was like during the draft process and I was, I was basically just like telling him my day and how I, how I felt and, you know, speaking about ball with him and, uh, he just kinda like wanted to reflect on how he gave me that ability to talk about ball, talk about myself, be able to like grow in an environment around football, uh, something that he didn't have. It, you know, it made me reflect and think about the things that he had said when I was, when I was younger and how a lot of those things, um, started to click as I got into, you know, deeper into my profession. One of the things was, he said, "You're gonna thank yourself, your 16-year-old self.

• 3:59Speaker 05

  At 18, you're gonna look back and thank yourself. At 14, you're gonna look back and thank your 12-year-old self." So, sitting at 24, looking back at the times where my dad was yelling at me, my dad was, you know, pressuring me to go to the gym and, and then myself deciding to go there and, and put that work in, I look back and thank myself and I thank him for, you know, giving me those lessons, so.

• 4:16Ryan Clark?

  Awesome.

• 4:17Channing Crowder?

  Bruh, knowing, you know what I'm saying, that we've, I'm down here in Miami, so we, we done crossed paths plenty of times. And just hearing your story, man, there's a thing about like, um, we talked about it with Caleb Williams, where both his parents were athletes like yourself. Both his parents, like, it's like nature and nurture. And when I was talking about you with them and I was saying, I was like, he got molded. Into where he is. If you didn't have those same parents, I don't know if you, I think you might have been a big ass dude working at churches.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 4:44Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? Like speak on that where like, like these parents and Caleb agree with it too. He was like, no, like they were gonna make me something.

• 4:50Speaker 05

  100%. I mean, every, everything in my world was about ball, was about sports in general. You know what I mean? Like it was always family football, family school football, you know, kind of thing. So, yeah, like all lessons that, whether it was how we treat people outside of school, how we treat people in school, how we conduct ourselves on a daily basis, all related back to, to, to ball. I got yelled at one day for not getting up early to walk the dog. And it ended up tracking back to discipline in the field and being able to be early on time to go, you know, go work out or go to the gym every day, having, you know, having a structure. So, yeah, my dad and my mom really, especially my dad, like he always knew that he wanted us to play ball. He wanted us to play at a high level. Uh, so I have older brother Jameer and my younger sister Jada.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  So my older brother, he was on him all the time and I was able to like see that. So I was close enough to my brother to be able to see the first one go through the path. So if he went right, I was following him. If he went wrong, I was going the opposite way. You know what I mean? Yeah, like everything in our world was all about sports, all about success and, and trying to better ourselves as athletes.

• 5:49Fred Taylor?

  Uh, you mentioned the draft process. You also said your dad knew the right things to say. But during your draft process, you took the lead when a certain coach asked if you were gonna change your name to Malcolm X. And you told your dad, no, I got this. Could you take us through your immediate thoughts when you heard that? You know, you basically standing up for yourself at that particular point.

• 6:12Speaker 05

  It, it happened kind of differently. It wasn't necessarily him asking me if I was gonna change my name. It was more so a broader question of like, how I was gonna take my presence as a, you know, somebody that is cemented in social justice and wanting to help people and bring that to the league where obviously in past, in years past, like Colin Kaepernick has had a lot of backlash from that. I was just speaking to them freely and how I, how I see myself as somebody with a platform, somebody with, um, a desire to help people that are, you know, underprivileged, underrepresented. And I told him that I wanted to speak up for them when, when I had the opportunity. So it wasn't necessarily him saying, am I gonna change my name? But it was more so him asking me how I was gonna be able to mold my presence as a social justice leader

• 6:54Speaker 05

  in my community to then be representing those people and also within the confines of the rules in the, in the NFL. So I can also have success in my profession while still representing those people.

• 7:04Channing Crowder?

  And that was John Gruden.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, it was like the Raiders, John Gruden, but they didn't really ask me specifically in that manner. When my dad was talking about it, he, you know, my dad, my dad's an animated individual, so he tends to stretch it a little bit, but um, nah, it wasn't.

• 7:19Ryan Clark?

  It's definitely a better story when your dad tells it.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:22Ryan Clark?

  Like, the way you tell it, it actually makes sense. It's like a question about getting the guy in the locker room.

• 7:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:28Ryan Clark?

  The way your dad tell it, like, we should riot, you know what I'm saying? Like, we should actually.

• 7:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was.

• 7:33Ryan Clark?

  But I think that leads me to something else. You're Blinadian, right? And what I call that is a black Canadian.

• 7:40Speaker 05

  Right.

• 7:40Ryan Clark?

  So my, my trainer in Arizona, Ian Danny, he was a power lifter in Canada. He ran, he was on the track team when Ben Johnson was there.

• 7:49Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 7:49Ryan Clark?

  And I always mess with him because we see things so differently, you know, and I always tell him, that's because you're Blinadian, man. But in having that upbringing, your father playing in the CFL, actually winning a Grey Cup, but him understanding if he wanted you to be all the things they had worked with you to be, the things you had shown the talent and propensity to become, you guys needed to come to America.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:15Ryan Clark?

  Was there any parts of that move, though, that were difficult on you? Because those are formative years for a young man.

• 8:22Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, it was, it was hard at first when we first got here. I was eight. Uh, we stayed, I think, like, half a year out of school. Um, I ended up going to third grade, fourth grade at two different schools, and then halfway through fourth grade, I moved again. So kind of establishing, you know, that, like, solid core friends and finding my place on, like, where I wanted to be, just socially, uh, in those developmental years was, was kind of difficult. In terms of football, I played for the Tri-City Titans in Fremont, which was cool. My brother played for the team. We lived in Fremont. My grand, my grandparents lived in Fremont, but the talent level was, like, completely different. The Oakland, Oakland Rebels were, like, the team to beat. Like, throughout the whole country, they would fly to Florida to have, like, the championship or whatnot.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  So when I got to play them, I saw that, you know, how different the talent level was from the Oakland Rebels to the Tri-City Titans to then back in Coquitlam when I was playing. That's when I first realized, like, all right, like, I'm not the best. Because I've always been, like, the best. I've always been the most athletic, you know, around in my friends. And so when I went to play them, I was like, you know, I was surprised that there were other players on the field that, you know, were kind of the same as me. And I was a kid, like, realizing this.

• 9:25Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  So that kind of, like, sparked it. My dad saw that in me, and he was kind of like, if you want to be good, like, you're going to have to sacrifice some things and, you know, make some choices in life. And so that was, like, kind of the first part of it, and then. Once we moved to Pleasanton, socially, I mean, Pleasanton is a very white area. You know what I mean? So it was, it was, I felt out of place because, you know, a lot of the kids like didn't grow up the same way I grew up. The jokes didn't hit the same, they didn't have the same meals, you know what I'm saying? Like, there was a separation, so. There were a few of us that, you know, that I gravitated towards and we became friends, but once I got to high school, I decided to go to Bishop O'Dowd, which is in Oakland. And that was mainly because my brother had went through Foothill and it, my brother told me like, it wasn't the right environment for a young black man to grow up in because

• 10:10Speaker 05

  you don't get to see and you don't get to experience everything as, that you would in an environment with other people that look like you, talk like you, speak like you. So when I went to O'Dowd, that's where I really felt like I found my place, you know what I mean? I mean, there was a bunch of kids there, but mostly it was, it was a majority black school. I mean, it's on 98th and Sterns, right across from the zoo. That's where I was able to really develop myself, my personality, who I am, people around me that talk like me, experience things like me, so that rounded me out very well.

• 10:36Channing Crowder?

  Y'all pretty eyed dudes don't understand the, the advantage y'all have. I hit Denzel Ward with the same thing. Y'all little light eyes. Oh, polite. Man, you got green eyes.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  Hey, you is the exception.

• 10:53Channing Crowder?

  Oh, come on. Oh, look at him, yeah, he's fine.

• 10:57Speaker 05

  Let him in, come right there. You, you, right here, no.

• 11:00Channing Crowder?

  They going over the whole line.

• 11:01Speaker 05

  The one with the green eyes. Bring him in.

• 11:03Channing Crowder?

  He coming in.

• 11:03Ryan Clark?

  That's crazy.

• 11:05Channing Crowder?

  But, but, but no, but coming from Canada, like that whole, that whole, Canada's so nice, that you had to get over, like, were you that nice? And then you were like, well, goddamn, Oakland ain't nice like that.

• 11:16Speaker 05

  I, I, I do say I remember seeing like, pardon me, all the time, like, pardon me? Like, and they're like, pardon? Like, what is that? Like, my friends are saying like, what? Like, so, but I, I did have manners, like I take my shoes off when I walk into somebody's house all the time. Yeah, like, I, I don't know if that's a Canadian thing, but like, every time I walk into somebody's house, I take my shoes off. I don't want to track no dirt that I had in from outside, and so I just take my shoes off. People like, no, keep your shoes off.

• 11:38Channing Crowder?

  You got it off now? You ain't going to your homeboy's house taking your shoes off.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  I go to my homeboy crib, take my shoes off, I'm respectful.

• 11:43Channing Crowder?

  They got money.

• 11:45Speaker 05

  I wouldn't want somebody to walk in my crib, matter of fact, I got a rug in front of my, in front of my door. Your shoes don't go past the rug. You walk in my house, you walk in my house. Your shoes is off at the door. You walk around in sock feet.

• 11:58Ryan Clark?

  I do respect that though because if he asks you to do that in his home, if he thinks that's important in his house,

• 12:03Speaker 05

  Right.

• 12:04Ryan Clark?

  he should do that at other people's homes. I 100% respect.

• 12:07Channing Crowder?

  We gonna lock up.

• 12:08Fred Taylor?

  Do you have a little stepper thing?

• 12:09Channing Crowder?

  I'm going to this house and we locking up. I can take my shoe, I'm a grown ass man, I'm 40.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  You're not coming in my house then.

• 12:14Fred Taylor?

  Do you have, you've seen the little stepper things, right? Where you can step.

• 12:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I seen those. I mean, I got them for like, so, so like somebody come like plumber or something, I got them in my, in my toolbox. I'm like, oh yeah, here you go. Like you don't even gotta take your shoes off, just throw these on real quick.

• 12:28Channing Crowder?

  The little hairnets.

• 12:28Speaker 05

  The little, yeah, the little hairnets for his feet. I'm prepared.

• 12:31Fred Taylor?

  Hey, that's the man house, bro.

• 12:33Speaker 05

  Imagine you walking around in your front yard. You step on a bug. You not even notice you stepping on a bug. Then you walk inside, you walk in your bedroom. Not a bug, all in your bedroom. Bug juice all on the ground.

• 12:44Channing Crowder?

  Bug juice.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  Now, obviously you gonna mop, but between you walking in the house, on the floor with the bug juice all on the ground, and the mopping day.

• 12:54Channing Crowder?

  It get caught in the carpet.

• 12:55Speaker 05

  Get caught in, don't let it have carpet. Carpet gonna be all dirty and dingy at the door.

• 12:59Channing Crowder?

  No, but then the cleaning lady coming Wednesday.

• 13:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, but she don't got the big little. You know what I'm talking about too. The little water vacuums.

• 13:07Fred Taylor?

  My, my, my, my backfield ace, Maurice Jones Drew. Say he coached you, uh, 7-on-7.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:13Fred Taylor?

  How was it, uh, growing up around Mojo knowing what he did and his career? And then coming back home to Oakland where he's from to give back to the kids in the community?

• 13:23Speaker 05

  It was super dope. It really was. I always knew who Mojo was because I'm a football fan. So, once I found out he went to De La Salle, which is like the Catholic school, like, I mean, De La Salle like dominate everybody in California. So, when I joined the 7-on-7 team, he like was our coach. And for a while, I was just like, wow, like this is Maurice Jones Drew. Like I was telling people like, yeah, I'm playing 7-on-7, like Maurice Jones Drew's my coach. And like people who don't watch football like, okay, like who is this guy with two names? But Mojo's like, that's like one of the best running backs in my, me growing up, like watching. So, it was super dope, super down to earth. Like all, all he wants to do is just like help the kids, help us grow, uh, develop as men first, then ball players. So, it was great, like those long drives. We used to drive from. From the Bay all the way to LA, it's like six hours.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  Just like shooting the shit, talking, like laughing, so.

• 14:10Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 14:10Speaker 05

  Nah, that's my dog.

• 14:11Fred Taylor?

  Since, I mean, I know we try to go in a certain order, but since you say you're a football fan, right? I have five names for you in three words, like a hashtag, right? Like if I said Channing Crowder.

• 14:23Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:24Fred Taylor?

  You would say hashtag knees, knees like Kenny Smith or Kenny Smith knees. If I give you five names.

• 14:31Channing Crowder?

  That's what he would say.

• 14:32Fred Taylor?

  Hashtag Kenny Smith knees.

• 14:34Channing Crowder?

  Fine, red, bad, no?

• 14:37Fred Taylor?

  Homeboy. But no, like Ed Reed.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  I would say greatest of all time.

• 14:43Fred Taylor?

  That's four or five words.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  That's the.

• 14:46Channing Crowder?

  Can you let the man, that's beautiful, okay.

• 14:49Fred Taylor?

  All right, Tyron Matthew.

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Unique game changer.

• 14:53Fred Taylor?

  All right, Sean Taylor.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  Once in a lifetime.

• 14:58Fred Taylor?

  Troy Palamalu.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  Four or five words, Troy's, Palamalu's like. There's only been him, I've only seen him play the way that he plays, like ever.

• 15:09Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 15:09Speaker 05

  Like I've never seen anybody do the things that he's done in the way that he did it. All three, four of those guys are all like generational, changing. Safeties, athletes that change the way we view the game, you know what I mean? Like Ed Reed, like when I was growing up, all I wanted to do on the, on the baseball field where my brother was playing was be back deep, play like Ed Reed. You know what I mean? I wanted to hit people like Palamalu, I wanted to hit people like Bob Sanders come downhill. I wanted to, I wanted to play receiver, running back, corner, safety, return punts, just like Tyron Matthew. I dyed my hair blonde just like him, like, like anything I could do to try to mold my game after those individuals, like that, that's what.

• 15:54Channing Crowder?

  Cause he played with Troy and you talking about Troy did things. I know Troy did things that he wasn't supposed to do, but he still made plays.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  But I feel like that's what makes players so, like when you're not supposed to do something, but you do it anyway and you make a play. I feel like that's what makes players so great, like Ed jumping a slant out the post. Like you, you know ball so well and you read and you study it and you, you. It's such a challenge, but you're so invested in that, like that's what makes them so great because they, they trust themselves enough to know what they're supposed to do, but also know what they need to do to make a play. You know what I mean? So.

• 16:32Channing Crowder?

  Is that a right assessment of Troy?

• 16:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and also it's a little bit of I don't care. That's part of it. I mean, I think though, the thing that you have, that Troy had, and that Ed had, that people don't talk about, is the ability and willingness to study the game. To continue to work on myself, because Troy is timing up the snap. There's something that he saw that allows him to do that. There's something he knows about the formation, about the tips and tendencies of the down and distance, you know? And I remember, he would always blitz cover three, right? And so Coach LeBeau, who's a genius as well, said, "Okay, what we're gonna do is, we're gonna play cover three. We're gonna drop the outside linebacker and let Troy come."

• 17:18Ryan Clark?

  And he was like, "No, Coach, I don't want to do that." And he was like, "Why?" He said, "The beauty is, I'm not supposed to be going." Right? He's like, "I'm adding five to the rush when it's only supposed to be four." And they were like, "Well, you're voiding your zone. You're voiding the flat." And he's like, "Ryan, a tackle." And like, that was his thought process, and it goes to what you're saying though, that, you know, Ed jumping, I watched Ed pick off a back shoulder from the middle of the field. Right? Because he understood so much where the ball was going, and I think you grew in football in the way to do that. Another thing that Tyron, Ed, Troy all did, was got a lot of money at some point. So, we're sitting around a building that is, I'm talking about, they ain't tripping.

• 18:03Ryan Clark?

  Jalen Waddle, you get the bag. Tua Tagovailoa, you get the bag. Tyreek Hill, you already had the bag, but just because other people get the bag, and we think you deserve more of a bag than them, you get the bag too. We are giving out bags like Oprah.

• 18:18Channing Crowder?

  Shout out to Steven Ross, Chris Greer.

• 18:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:20Channing Crowder?

  Boy, I love y'all. Appreciate it, you know? I've been down here in Miami 20 years, we appreciate what's going on down there.

• 18:25Ryan Clark?

  So, I'm looking at my watch, and where it puts us today is, you were a second-round draft pick, so you don't have a fifth-year option, which means you can get money now. When you start to see all of your teammates be rewarded in the way that they deservingly so. Should be rewarded. When's Jevon Holland's time coming?

• 18:47Speaker 05

  It's on the way, man. It's on the way. You know, David Malighetta is my agent. Kyle McCarthy is my agent. So it's been difficult to not think about it. Because, you know, like I'm on the cusp of, you know, a generational changing experience. But I just got to keep it, keep it right in front of me. Like, I got to keep my vision five feet. Because if I get too, you know, far ahead and start thinking about what ifs and this and that, then I fluster myself and I don't need to do all that. You know what I mean? So I've paid my dues to the football gods and I continue to pay my dues to the football gods and I just hope that they, you know, pay their dues back to me and they show love back to me. So that's all I can wish for, but.

• 19:24Speaker 06

  Here's your report.

• 19:26Speaker 07

  Oh, thanks, Jane. I wish I could hire someone just like you.

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• 19:54Ryan Clark?

  How hard is that patience? There's some people who have only been working for a generational change in their family's positioning for three years. You've been working for this generational change your entire life. And I think that's a difference, right? Your father has been pouring this into you. Along with him pouring this into you, your brother is saying, nah, this is not where you want to be. They're helping you develop as a person.

• 20:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 20:21Ryan Clark?

  There was like whiteboards at your house and all of your friends thought you were strange in high school because you did all of these. Like, you have been preparing for this moment. And I thought about that because you said the football gods, right? As if there is something that's governing the game that makes it fair. But it's not. So how difficult is it to believe that right can be done?

• 20:45Speaker 05

  It is very difficult. You've just got to keep faith, like.

• 20:50Speaker 05

  It's like a, it's like a delusion almost, you know what I mean? Like, I've been doing this so long, I've been putting this, all this work in. At some point, something has to, it has to come back to me. Like, it has to. Like, I, I haven't been doing all of this for no reason, and I know that at some point it will. You know, that's like what I keep telling myself, so. Uh, it's just about, you know, staying patient. Like you said, like, like you just don't know.

• 21:11Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Like, you just really don't know. And, and everybody, like, everybody wants to ask me about it, like, how do you feel? Like, obviously, I'm thinking about it. Obviously, it's on my mind, like, this is a, a boatload. I, I could change my family's life, you know what I mean? Like, but I just gotta stay calm and just keep on doing it day to day. Keep on keeping myself distracted with the things that I can to keep developing myself so that I'm not overstretched and thinking about it and stressed, because it's gonna add just too much, too much cloud in my, in my day, so just remain calm. But, I mean, come on, it's like, right? I can, like, I can feel it. It's not, I can feel it, but just stay calm.

• 21:48Fred Taylor?

  They know, they, they know. You know, timing is everything. Obviously, you, you're the, the highest grade of safety in the whole entire NFL, right? The team, they see all of that. They just, they, they play these games and it's a timing thing, and when they hit the sweet spot, they're ready to go. But as long as you stay the course.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:07Fred Taylor?

  You'll be fine. I wanted to ask you about your, uh, your secondary mate, Jalen Ramsey.

• 22:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:12Fred Taylor?

  The confidence that he gives you, how does that help elevate your game?

• 22:15Speaker 05

  He instills that, that confidence in me to go out there and, and, and, and trust myself to, to guess, and trust myself to, to, to, to just go make a play where I'm not supposed to be at, you know what I mean? To confuse the quarterback, to confuse the offensive coordinator. He is truly like a fire, uh, and, and, and helps me be a fire for myself, but he's a fire for the defense. And like, even in, in OTAs, I, I mean, in a training camp, I wish you guys could have seen the speech that he's had after practice, but. It was like, it was electrifying. For me personally, I'm seeing him as an individual who is guaranteed first round Hall of Fame. Like, he's done all the things. I've seen him through his whole career, watching him as a fan, and now as his teammate, as a peer, seeing what he, how he thinks. We sit next to each other in meetings, like, his thought process, how he can take over plays, reading route concepts. Like, it's not just

• 23:00Speaker 05

  because he's a freak athlete, it's because he's doing the things that, that no one else will, will do, like, watching tape, writing, writing things down that, that he trusts to see and, and believe in those in, in, in practice. Like, things like that. Like, he's addicted to the craft. Seeing that is helping me just, you know, elevate myself as an individual and both as a, as a leader and player, so.

• 23:20Channing Crowder?

  And bringing, bringing in other safeties now, I'm interested in this to see, because, you know, I'm down here, I, I love the Dolphins, go to the games all the time. Bringing in May, bringing in Poyer.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:30Channing Crowder?

  And now having you, I'm, I'm telling folks, shit, we got some bad ones in the back end. But bringing those, those vets in that had success in the past, how are y'all conversations? Like, you know what I'm saying? Well, how you see it, how Poyer sees it, how May sees it. Y'all, and y'all are really all different style of players, which I'm interested in.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm, I'm asking them questions every day. Poe and Mayday, like, I'm asking, because I haven't had a vet. I haven't had, I had J Mac, but he played, he played corner for most of his career. So, I'm asking Poe how he sees, how he sees the game. I'm asking May how he sees the game, and, and I'm asking Kendall Fuller how he sees the game. Like, all of these guys have years under their belt of playing in different systems, playing around, uh, uh, different teams, different, different players. And having them around is helping me just round out my game even more, because the way that they're playing things, the way that Poe sees route concepts and how play develops, the way that Mayday fits gaps, like, bro, I mean, I've been, I've, I've been loving it. I've been, I mean, I love the game. I'm, I'm fanatic about it. So, I'm like a kid in a candy store, just asking questions, getting pointers, things like that.

• 24:29Ryan Clark?

  You, um, are on a team now that is taking incremental steps every year, right? It's, it's wild card game with, without your starting quarterback, and you guys go to Buffalo and put up a fight. Like, it's a, it's a tough game all the way down to the end. You play the eventual two-time champion Kansas City Chiefs in Kansas City in a frickin' snow blizzard, storm, freeze, ice, I don't know what the hell that was. But- When players start to get paid, like they get paid here, when players are as highly thought of and the accolades start to roll in like they do here, when a coach is looked at as a young genius, as Mike McDaniel is,

• 25:13Ryan Clark?

  like just getting there, that ain't gonna do it.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  It ain't nothing.

• 25:16Ryan Clark?

  You know, you gotta win games. You gotta become a true contender. What makes you feel that this year, you and the Dolphins can take that step?

• 25:26Speaker 05

  I think it's our trust. I think it's our trust in both our defense, our offense, but the overall goal of the team. Like, I remember in the last two years, talking about the Super Bowl, a lot of teams that I've been on, like when there's an ultimate goal, you kinda wanna talk about the thing that's right in front of you, you know, take it day by day. But our goal is to win the Super Bowl, you know what I mean? And if you're not in the game to play to win a Super Bowl, then what are you really playing for? It's a known thing that we are trying to win a Super Bowl. We're trying to push ourselves, compete with each other while we can, to get the best out of each other. And I think that overall goal is in everybody's mind and everybody's mindset is the same. You know what I mean?

• 26:08Speaker 05

  I think it's not so much, "I'm trying to demolish this guy because he's on an offense and I'm on defense." It's, "I'm trying to demolish this guy because if I crush him, I know that next practice, he's gonna try to crush me." And that makes me know that he is getting better. So I think that's what the mindset is of everybody on the team.

• 26:25Ryan Clark?

  Is that why Tyreek beat you up at practice?

• 26:28Speaker 05

  He ain't beat nobody up at practice.

• 26:30Ryan Clark?

  Oh, he would have to. He would have to. He got that deep boy. Tyreek came in, like, he threw hands, man.

• 26:37Speaker 05

  He ain't beat nobody up at practice. I ain't even gonna entertain that, bro. I ain't even gonna entertain that.

• 26:43Ryan Clark?

  Say, bro, I'm gonna be honest, dawg. This training camp tour has really let me know. It's important about how you find your colleagues, your coworkers, employees, employers. Before I got locked up with y'all, I should've went on LinkedIn jobs and maybe looked for some other folks. I mean, and maybe they not even looking for this job. Shoot, 70% of the people on LinkedIn jobs ain't looking for jobs at the time they get hired because this ain't working out.

• 27:10Channing Crowder?

  Man, come on now, you know LinkedIn works. Eighty-six percent of small businesses find a qualified employee in the first 24 hours. Y'all know we gotta go on there. I'm going on there. I need me some more jobs. Y'all know I love me a job.

• 27:22Fred Taylor?

  Look, over 2.5 million small businesses already using LinkedIn. One more won't hurt. LinkedIn make the hiring process that much easier for you.

• 27:31Channing Crowder?

  And LinkedIn makes it easy. They even have a new feature that will help you write your job description. So they gonna help you get a job. They gonna get it for you. Y'all know what LinkedIn is gonna do. Eighty-six percent of small businesses get their qualified employee.

• 27:44Ryan Clark?

  And listen, I'm probably gonna be on there too because the way that this training camp tour is going, tired as I am, not only of them, but of the whole thing. I'm about to get my profile ready. So you can go on LinkedIn.com/pivotpodcast for free right now and load up your bio. LinkedIn.com/pivotpodcast. And look for RC. I'm gonna have a small picture. It ain't gonna be big. We see y'all.

• 28:09Channing Crowder?

  You wanna work for me?

• 28:11Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 28:13Fred Taylor?

  I wanted to go back to what RC mentioned for a brief moment. That playoff game though versus the Chiefs. You guys were riding high, you know, pretty much throughout the whole season. You had a few weeks that you were out due to injury. The playoff game and witnessing greatness and Patrick Mahomes, seeing it from eye level because you were on the sideline supporting your teammates, going back and forth. I remember seeing you during the game on the broadcast. You're there talking to the secondary with the coaches, all this different stuff, trying to inspire your team to get it in gear. Talk about that experience in itself. I know it was your first playoff experience, like, but you had to take the mental reps, you know, all that different stuff.

• 28:55Fred Taylor?

  Like, speak to that experience and also speak to how much of a real deal Patrick Mahomes is. Playoff P.

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Right. So first, being on the sideline and not being able to affect the game in the way I want to and just like, you know, trying to help my teammates win. It really let me know that I really wanna be a coach at some point. I wanna be able to, you know, bestow my knowledge upon younger individuals so that they can eventually, you know, grow and do the same thing. So like trying to help them, I had a blast at that because I couldn't play. So I had to channel that energy into something else.

• 29:31Speaker 05

  Playoff P, uh, he just gets it done, like, you know what I mean? Like, that's like the best way you could say it. Cause I know the whole year, you know, they were, are they gonna win this? Are they gonna make the playoffs? Are they not gonna make the playoffs? And then, you know, late in the stretch, they make a run and it's like, okay, they're definitely gonna make the playoffs. They're the number one seed, you gotta go play them, or number one or two seed, whatnot. And so we go up to Kansas City and it's freezing cold and everyone's gonna be cold. It's gonna be, the ground's gonna be hard and you see him out there just wheeling and dealing. And he makes plays and you're just kinda like.

• 30:04Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  Ah, like.

• 30:05Channing Crowder?

  Tip the heck.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I get why he, you know, why he's who he is because he just gets, he just gets the job done. You know what I mean? And I felt that way when we played them, uh, the first time in Germany. I mean, they ended up winning by like, like one touchdown, two touchdowns, whatnot, but like, he just gets it done. And you can't make any mistakes, whether it's one, two, like, you can't make anything, so.

• 30:26Fred Taylor?

  You and Channing got a couple of things in common. You played for the Dolphins, you played defense.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 30:31Fred Taylor?

  The Chiefs was the coldest game. You didn't have any tackles because you was hurt.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  Right.

• 30:35Fred Taylor?

  This motherfucker played the whole game and didn't have a tackle.

• 30:39Channing Crowder?

  It was too cold to tackle anybody. Uh, Caleary Johnson? Hell no, you got it. Where did you find it? It was too cold. Under fifty degrees, under fifty degrees, my production went down.

• 30:51Fred Taylor?

  But how did you not have a single tackle?

• 30:53Speaker 05

  You used that back.

• 30:54Channing Crowder?

  I ran in and I went low. I had some assists, I think.

• 31:00Channing Crowder?

  Thanksgiving game, that's when you got hurt. But that's also when you had the nine-nine yard interception return. I was there. Thanksgiving took my family, took my kids, my two oldest kids, my wife. We in there, we in the box. I'm having a good time drinking scotch while you out there playing. That interception return was amazing, but also getting hurt. What'd you have, the double MCL?

• 31:22Speaker 05

  Double MCL. I got crushed by, uh, Conklin, he plays tight end. I went to tackle him, slipped, then he fell on top of me. I'm like in a pressle.

• 31:32Channing Crowder?

  You did the tussie roll.

• 31:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did the tussie, like, man, like, to the mast, though, I'm like, uh.

• 31:37Channing Crowder?

  I'm sitting there.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I leaned at it like, are you all right? Is your hand? I'm like, it's my knees, my knees.

• 31:42Channing Crowder?

  And my wife said, what's wrong with your bone? I said, uh, uh, maybe, something's wrong.

• 31:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:47Channing Crowder?

  So, at some point, you gonna have some children.

• 31:49Speaker 05

  Right.

• 31:50Channing Crowder?

  And they gonna watch that, they gonna watch the interception return, cause that was Thanksgiving Day, like, the world watched that.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 31:55Ryan Clark?

  What do you think about from that game? Are you, in 20 years, you gonna think about interception return? Which was beautiful, you like a punt returner. Which, you know, you had a little, you know, what'd you call it Freddie?

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Loaf.

• 32:05Ryan Clark?

  The bread loaf? Or are you gonna be like, damn, that's when I tussie rolled?

• 32:10Speaker 05

  That's the game that tussie rolled. That's the game that I tussie rolled. Cause man, that was like the highlight of the season. I'm like, just return 99 yards, like, let's go, going to halftime. Like, I got the ball with me, whatnot. We come out of halftime, like, camera's on me, I'm warming up, like, I'm about to finish the game. Instagram about to be popping, you know? Man, and then like, third quarter, they kept running this little, little wide, like, quick pop pass. And then, I remember, like, we called the same defense twice. And so, I'm like, alright, grab, which is the, I stayed in the inside, like, hook area. They did the first time, guy like, kinda tripped. Second time, he like, quick snapped it, I'm running, I'm like, oh, I'm about to go blow him up. And then, swoop, slip, get crushed.

• 32:54Speaker 05

  I get up, I'm like, damn.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  This can't be good. Started walking, I'm like, nope. I was like, I'm done for the game. Then I go to sleep, I get back to the, when I got back to the house, I'm like, kinda like, okay, my knees are kinda sore. But then when I woke up the next morning, I went up, got up to pee, and I was like, something ain't right. Something ain't right, so.

• 33:19Ryan Clark?

  I do have a question about the interception return. See, I was never, like, I never got to be the guy. Right? I had a great career, I was blessed, I played with Sean Taylor. You don't get to do cool stuff when you play with Sean. Cause he gets to do all the cool stuff, right? I played with Troy. Again, if it's a cool thing, when we going over the game plan, Troy, this is where you gonna be. Or, there were even times in the game, it was actually supposed to be the free safety, and Troy was like, and I was like, cool, I get it, right? Take me for instance. Hail Mary, end of the half, I'm gonna jump up and knock it down. You know why, Jevon? Cause that's what the people tell me to do.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 33:57Ryan Clark?

  And I don't get to do cool things. Take me through, though, that playmaker's mindset of, one, I'm gonna catch it. And not only am I gonna catch it, I'm gonna go try to score. That's a different level of excellence in the way that you think about playmaking. Just kind of take me through what that thought process was.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  I mean, it's been a thing since I was a kid. Like anytime I saw an opportunity, people throwing the ball up at halftime, that's a free pick. It happened to me in college when we played Cal. I tried to return, I got tackled. But when that play happened, so throughout the whole year, it's me, Ex and Ramsey back deep. And I was going to the passing strength. And so in practice Ramsey, I mean, Ex tried to go to the passing strength to the three receiver side, and I'm back on the one side. So I think something happened in practice and they like caught the ball or something. So I'm like, I'm always to the, I'm like, I'm always to the passing strength, always. So that happened. And I knew that they were close enough to throw a Hail Mary, but I wasn't sure they were gonna actually do it. I thought they were just gonna take an ego at halftime because they're having a tough game. But they just had like two good plays.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  So I'm like, alright, they gonna throw, you know what I'm saying, get back deep. And then I thought he was gonna get sacked by Chubb. And then I seen the ball in the air. So I hadn't had a pick that whole, I had some turnovers, but I hadn't had a pick that whole year. So as soon as the ball was in the air, I was like, oh yeah, this is the first pick, this is the first pick of the year. I need this. So I jumped up, got the pick. And as I'm coming down, I'm looking to my left and my right and I see all the receivers behind me. So I'm like, I know there's only one skill position down the field, and that's Breece. So we could throw a block on Breece, everything else is like linemen. And I did, I did drop field goal a lot my rookie year. So, you know, you gotta take it straight as a returner, I noticed. So you take it, take it straight up the, up the middle, and then you bend to your sideline. That's what I did. Took a straight up the middle, bent to my sideline.

• 35:47Speaker 05

  When I seen Christian throw the block on Breece, I was like, oh yeah, I'm taking this to crib. Right then in my mind, I was like, oh yeah. Like I've been here before, I've felt this feeling before, cutting through linemen, like this has to be a touchdown. And then came around the corner, seen the coach, I mean, seen the quarterback. I'm sorry quarterback, but I had to.

• 36:08Ryan Clark?

  Took your ankles. Touchdown.

• 36:10Fred Taylor?

  You were Bishop O'Dowd's top receiver in high school. You had, this is crazy, y'all. I don't know who y'all were playing against.

• 36:18Ryan Clark?

  I'm glad you brought this up.

• 36:19Fred Taylor?

  You had 1,012 yards, 12 touchdowns on 35 catches.

• 36:25Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 36:25Fred Taylor?

  Bro, who were y'all, 29 to catch? Who were y'all playing?

• 36:30Ryan Clark?

  It doesn't matter who was playing. It was about me going crazy at receiver.

• 36:33Fred Taylor?

  You better receiver.

• 36:34Ryan Clark?

  Come on, bro. I'm lining up like, hey, come on, take it up top. Coach knew.

• 36:39Fred Taylor?

  So you're a better receiver or safety?

• 36:40Ryan Clark?

  I'm better safety, actually.

• 36:44Fred Taylor?

  Because the way you ran that ball back.

• 36:46Ryan Clark?

  In my youth, I'm a better receiver. But now I'm a better safety, just because I've been working at it. But I almost played receiver at Oregon now. They almost gave me that. But COVID happened, you know, the whole season got messed up. But I was training in the offseason to be a receiver, for real.

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• 37:28Ryan Clark?

  In the offseason, at David's Elite Week, you got an opportunity to work with Derwin James. I was coaching, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out there.

• 37:38Channing Crowder?

  Coach him and Derwin?

• 37:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. It's like.

• 37:40Channing Crowder?

  They ain't learn nothing.

• 37:44Ryan Clark?

  They certainly didn't learn nothing about no talent.

• 37:46Fred Taylor?

  Can I come to your defense, bro? He played for 13 years.

• 37:50Channing Crowder?

  I see he's cool. You know I get my hard time.

• 37:52Fred Taylor?

  That's a lot, brother.

• 37:53Ryan Clark?

  But like truly, you know, iron sharpens iron. And you mentioned what Jalen was able to show you, not only by the way he could perform talent-wise, but the way he works and the way he approaches things. Like, I always love getting opportunities to be around other good players, whether it be in my position or not, just to see how they approach work, how they approach the game. Derwin is as intense of a human as I've ever been around when it comes to that. This dude committed to Florida State in the 8th grade, by the way, so he's also a freak of nature.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  Right.

• 38:28Ryan Clark?

  What are some of the things you take away from those sorts of encounters? That you try to bring back, not necessarily as a player, but as a leader in the locker room?

• 38:38Speaker 05

  From Derwin specifically, especially with this last encounter. Uh, one thing that sat with me was his desire to find work in thi- in any aspect. Jogging back to the line after we do a drill. Um, uh, uh, you know, consistently get going over and over again, trying to perfect the drill. Not because he's trying to get it completely right, but because he wants to get the feel for it. And, and he wants to work it, and so that's second nature. Uh, but that jogging back to the, to the line, that jogging back to the line thing really sat with me. And I, it sat with me because that's something that I find myself doing, you know what I mean? Like, in any way, shape or form, if I can get the upper hand, I'm gonna do it.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  I think Derwin has that in everything that he does because he's so addicted to being the best. And he's so addicted to trying to get to that point to where he's, you know, better than anybody else. So, I think that's like kinda one of the things.

• 39:29Ryan Clark?

  What I love, like what I took away from working with him was him constantly telling y'all, get uncomfortable. Remember, we were doing the run, the one drill, and I was like, y'all gotta run, like, and that, and that, and it was, I was trying to put y'all in this uncomfortable situation that in the game, you probably would never want to be in.

• 39:48Speaker 05

  Right.

• 39:48Ryan Clark?

  Right, but we know all the time, those people get paid so much money on the other side, that you're gonna be in positions you don't wanna be in. And I wanted to see y'all scramble out of that and react to it. And every time somebody would stop short, he just kept saying, get uncomfortable, be uncomfortable. And I think that was what I took from him because it was a lack of fear of embarrassment, a lack of fear of failure. He was just like, this is where we find a way to get to the next level. How do you find a way to get to the next level? I said it when, um, I did your pre-draft analysis, cuz I watched you play nickel. And I was like, okay, he can do so much, he can, he can cover slots, right? He can obviously play the football, has great ball skills, great understanding of the game.

• 40:34Ryan Clark?

  But there has to be a point where you start to ascend. And when the Jesse Bates and the Mika Fitzpatrick's and the Derwin James are mentioned, they start to mention Jevon Holland.

• 40:47Channing Crowder?

  What is your process of taking that next step? And truly becoming one of those guys that's a household name at the position?

• 40:55Speaker 05

  I think it's exactly what you said is finding ways to be uncomfortable in an environment where I can grow. Because I think, you know, at a certain point, you start to level out when you think about coverage technique and how fast you can run or your ability to get the ball. But I think that growth comes once you're put in positions that make you uncomfortable. And so I think that right there, what you just said is exactly what I need to do is is put myself in a position where I'm uncomfortable and thrive in there. So that when I am in that position in the field, like I'm comfortable with being uncomfortable.

• 41:26Channing Crowder?

  Thriving, you spoke about the defense already and the expectations of what this season is gonna bring. You know what I'm saying? The offense is all they talk about.

• 41:33Speaker 05

  Right.

• 41:34Channing Crowder?

  But you can't give up 40 and score 38. You gotta win.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  Right.

• 41:37Channing Crowder?

  On Instagram, I loved it because I'm silly. When Vic Fangio left, I just want you to verbalize your video, which was pretty, I don't know if y'all saw it. I saw it. Which was you throwing up rocks and kicking them. I assumed kick rocks, get out of here.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Right.

• 41:55Channing Crowder?

  Why was that your response to Vic deciding to go to Philly?

• 41:59Speaker 05

  One, that was what I first thought of. Two, because I felt like even though he was our coach, he wanted to be somewhere else. Even though that he was teaching us and we were learning his defense and we were under him and his pupils and whatnot, we weren't necessarily where he wanted to be at. And so I was like, peace. And I could feel that off of him throughout the whole season. Great mind, noseball.

• 42:24Channing Crowder?

  Y'all were a top, y'all were good defense.

• 42:25Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying? We were a top defense, but I just didn't feel like he really wanted to be here. Which is fine. I mean, you know what I mean? He had the pick of the litter and he got to go where he wants to go and I wish him nothing but the best. But if you don't want to be here, then you don't got to be here.

• 42:38Channing Crowder?

  And now the transition with Weaver.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Right.

• 42:40Channing Crowder?

  What's the change? Because y'all got dogs, y'all brought in dogs, y'all got dogs coming back off injury. Like, this roster is stupid.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  Right.

• 42:47Channing Crowder?

  With Weaver, how is the defense changing? You know, what have you seen? And to be honest, you hit it on the head. You're about to change your grandkid's life. But now you're learning the defense. Just that transition from Fangio now to Weaver.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  So this is my fourth DC in my four years.

• 43:03Channing Crowder?

  That's ridiculous.

• 43:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, fourth DC, fourth DB coach, fourth safety coach, fourth system. Fourth playing style, because you know, it changes a lot.

• 43:12Speaker 05

  Weave has made it the most enjoyable so far. You know what I mean? He's a, he knows ball. He's a, he's a front guy because he played D-line. So he knows the front, he knows, he knows the back end and how to tie it together. He's got the people around him, you know, to help us as a collective come together. But I just, overall, the message and the motivation, like, you know, when you hear Dan Campbell speak about ball and about wanting his players to have that passion in them, that's how Weave talks. That's like the closest thing I can, I can, the closest example I can give you besides telling, like, telling you about my pops. Weave is, he, you know, he fills us with that passion and you want to go out there and play for him. You want to go out there, play for him, you want to go out there and play well and perform and do the things that he's asking because he, he's been there before.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  He understands how to speak to the team and the, and the defense. And he understands where our mindset is, like, we're trying to go out there and dominate. And he understands that in order to dominate, we have to be comfortable. In order to be comfortable, we gotta, you gotta make things easy, simple, and you gotta like, make us move fast. And that's like the, you know, that's the mindset that we all have. And you know, that's like the culture that he wants to develop for the defense.

• 44:19Fred Taylor?

  You're coming in here on your off day to give us some time. Miami is wow, especially for a young kid. You know, a lot of times they talk about the distractions that can come with playing here. People say the Dolphins will never win a championship because of distractions. Channing spoke about your eyes earlier in the show.

• 44:38Fred Taylor?

  What do you, what do you do in your, in your time away from the building, like, on a day to day?

• 44:45Speaker 05

  Anytime I got opportunity to go away from the building, I go like, fish, golf. I have a girlfriend, we have two cats. Go watch a movie. I took a pottery class last off day. Yeah, I just made like a little bowl for my cat, Rocco. Yeah, man. I know you're looking at me with like a look of disgust, but.

• 45:01Channing Crowder?

  You got a cat?

• 45:02Speaker 05

  I got two cats. I got Rocco, Rocco and Remy. Rocco is a, a, a blue eyed Russian. And then Remy's a, a black stray cat that my girlfriend found when she was in New York. She just, she was like a little kid.

• 45:14Channing Crowder?

  Jay, that's nasty.

• 45:15Ryan Clark?

  But you can't wear shoes in this house.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying.

• 45:17Channing Crowder?

  And got nasty cats running around.

• 45:19Speaker 05

  We clean the cats. Cats got their shots, they not peeing everywhere, they out, they trained. All right, we got the little automatic robot with the cats peeing the robot, cleans it out. Come on now, I'm not, if I'm not letting you shoes get in the house, I'm definitely not letting the cat pee all over the floor. Cat getting, cat getting kicked out if the cat peeing all over the floor, most of the times.

• 45:37Channing Crowder?

  So the cat can come in off the street, but I gotta take my shoes off?

• 45:40Speaker 05

  The cat was cleaned. Gave all the shots, they indoor cats, they're not outdoor cats.

• 45:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 45:48Ryan Clark?

  This is a, a difficult transition. I thought about it when Channing mentioned Vic Fangio and I don't really care about that part of it or you explaining that. I do care about your willingness to speak up.

• 46:05Ryan Clark?

  Sometimes, as someone who is very much like that, it rubs people the wrong way. And you could put yourself in situations and positions where they start to feel a certain way about you. There's, you know, a story about George Floyd, 2020 at Oregon, where you decided to speak up, where you thought it was important. Listening to you early, speak about your brother saying, okay, this is a better place to go for a young black man. Where did this sense of pride and purpose come from in being a young black man in this country that you were willing to speak up to Mario Cristobal at that time?

• 46:50Ryan Clark?

  And say, no, like, you would care, or you should care about what happened to George Floyd?

• 46:57Speaker 05

  I think it comes from my parents. You know what I mean, my parents and my, my older brother and, and, and my grandparents, just having a strong moral compass. And then being proud to be black. You know what I mean, a lot of people in this country just don't like me just because of the way I look. And I got no problem with that because that's the problem that they got with themselves, that they need to handle with themselves. But being proud to be black, being proud to be black, being American and Canadian, and then also being a proud black man that is an opportunity to change my family's life and have a platform to help others change theirs. So I think that's where, that's really where that comes from. I studied ethnic studies in college because I wanted to get to know people more. And I think I've always had a desire to help people that, you know, are in need

• 47:41Speaker 05

  in any way, shape, or form. But yeah, I think that desire to speak up just comes from me thinking somebody has to do it, so why not me?

• 47:50Fred Taylor?

  Who's the best quarterback in the AFC that's not named Patrick Mahomes? Uh, Tua.

• 47:56Ryan Clark?

  Why would you ask that question?

• 47:58Channing Crowder?

  Tua be throwing.

• 47:59Speaker 05

  Ain't nobody, nobody has outperformed Tua except for Pat. And he's won the last two Super Bowls in the last two years.

• 48:03Fred Taylor?

  It's a bad question.

• 48:05Ryan Clark?

  He, he's supposed to say that.

• 48:07Fred Taylor?

  No, he doesn't really have to.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  I mean, he's right. I really don't have to, but I mean, the right answer is Tua. Nobody's outperformed him except for Pat in the last two years.

• 48:14Ryan Clark?

  That's also not true.

• 48:17Channing Crowder?

  Who, but Josh Lamar.

• 48:19Ryan Clark?

  100%.

• 48:19Channing Crowder?

  Well, Burrow was hurt.

• 48:20Speaker 05

  Oh, well Lamar, yeah, he went crazy.

• 48:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, I mean, it's just.

• 48:22Channing Crowder?

  But they're different players though because Lamar got defeat.

• 48:24Ryan Clark?

  I think.

• 48:25Channing Crowder?

  Tua over under on rushing is 1.8 yards a game. He ain't gonna rush.

• 48:29Ryan Clark?

  I, I do believe that it's a difficult question to answer about your teammate. I think he's supposed to say that.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:36Ryan Clark?

  I think if he says something different, then everybody's going to be like, Jevon Holland, this football savant, has picked another quarterback over his quarterback besides the obvious, obvious one that you could pick over every quarterback, right? And then when he picks his quarterback, people like me who disagree are going to say, of course, you picked your quarterback.

• 48:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:55Ryan Clark?

  It's a tough question. Now, what I do want to know is, should Tyreek Hill be the number one player on the top 100?

• 49:02Speaker 05

  I mean, Lamar did win MVP, right?

• 49:04Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 05

  So. But then, Reek, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar. I mean, I feel like you can't go wrong with any of them. Who, Christian McCaffrey was number three, right?

• 49:13Ryan Clark?

  Christian McCaffrey was number three, Lamar was number two.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  Who was five? Chris Jones?

• 49:17Ryan Clark?

  Chris Jones was seven.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  I think the top four, you could just like flip them around and it'd be the same.

• 49:23Channing Crowder?

  Well, I like it because quarterbacks get all the damn trophies. And so now, I would say that Tyreek is better at receiver

• 49:30Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 49:31Channing Crowder?

  than Patrick Mahomes is at playing quarterback.

• 49:33Ryan Clark?

  Survey says no.

• 49:34Channing Crowder?

  No, survey doesn't say no. What Tyreek did last year, that was quarterback two. Tua had more passing yards than Patrick, right?

• 49:42Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 49:43Channing Crowder?

  Tyreek led the NFL in receiving yards. Tyreek led the NFL in, what, yards per reception? Tyreek led in every category of a wide receiver. Patrick and him didn't. Tyreek is better at his job than those guys are at their job. I'm talking about numbers. Y'all don't talk about numbers?

• 49:58Ryan Clark?

  Channing, this is, this is Jevon's show. We'll handle this at another time.

• 50:02Channing Crowder?

  Okay, we'll deal with this later.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  That's a good point, though.

• 50:05Ryan Clark?

  Jay, like, just in, just to end the show, man, I think the cool part about training camp is, I know this personally. Not every team walks into training camp and can win a Super Bowl. There are teams in this league that no matter what they do this year, they are not going to win a Super Bowl. They are not going to have a shot to win a Super Bowl. The Miami Dolphins are not like that. How much of a difference is there in the feeling of your opportunity to do that than last year? Because last year was sort of a prove it year. Tua had to be healthy. You had a new defense. You end up bringing in the Jalen. Like, a lot of things had to end up happening. Now, you walk into this year knowing exactly who you are. What's the feeling like in the locker room?

• 50:47Speaker 05

  It's great. It's, it's almost like it's there for the taking. If we put it together, it's literally all on us. That's it. If we decide to go get it, if we decide to put the games together, if we decide to orchestrate the way that we want to practice, how we want to play, it's all on us. Last year, there were, like you said, there was a lot of, like, you know, outside factors, whatnot. This year, I feel like the weight off Tua, like, him getting paid, he just go out there and play. You know what I mean? Like, it's no, you don't got to prove yourself. You just got to go out there and do what you've been doing your whole life. It's just play ball.

• 51:21Fred Taylor?

  The weight is definitely off Tua, literally and figuratively. What did y'all say? How did y'all respond in the locker room when he said Tua was thicker than a Snickers?

• 51:32Speaker 05

  Bro, first I was like-

• 51:33Fred Taylor?

  That was wild.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  Bro, what?

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Like, what was going through your mind when you said that? Like, I know you was like, nah.

• 51:40Fred Taylor?

  I don't know.

• 51:41Ryan Clark?

  So, I mean, me and Tyreek, I never said he was thicker than a snicker. That's first.

• 51:46Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 51:46Ryan Clark?

  I would never say that. I said, uh...

• 51:49Fred Taylor?

  He said something crazy.

• 51:50Ryan Clark?

  I said he looked, you know, he put on some weight and I said he looked like he could work at Onyx. Because he had a very thick lower half.

• 51:57Speaker 05

  That's actually crazy.

• 51:59Ryan Clark?

  I don't, you know...

• 51:59Speaker 05

  You said he was thicker than Cole Honey.

• 52:01Ryan Clark?

  So, so here's the thing, right? And like, and I can, I can admit this, right? Troy, right, is one of my best friends in the world. He's Polynesian, Samoan as well. And he, when he, when we played in the Super Bowl in 08, he was 245. Right? Just because he, because he just has the propensity to gain weight.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  He's stocky.

• 52:20Ryan Clark?

  And those are me, Ike, B Mac. That's the way we talk to him. Or we talk to any one of our homeboys who put on weight. Like, we just joke.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 52:31Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like, I, I wasn't serious. I'm just talking out loud, laughing, joking, locker room talk. And when everybody reacted to it, my first thought was, they can't tell I was joking? And no, and no, don't get me wrong. I do understand the difference that people look at my job like you're supposed to be being professional. And I can't say what Tyreek said about him when he came back skinny. And it's also okay to tell, to say somebody was fat when they're now skinny.

• 52:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 52:58Ryan Clark?

  Right? Or what Jalen said about him, right? We all know I was correct. I'm just not his homeboy.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:06Ryan Clark?

  Right? And so, like, I get that. And which was why, when it all was said and done, I was like, look, I did not mean, I had no intent to disrespect, no intent to insult. I was just having fun, having a good time. But nah, like, I, I was just being, it was locker room talk.

• 53:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was just from the shit, I mean.

• 53:22Fred Taylor?

  I love it. But earlier I asked you, and this is it for me. Earlier I asked you, I said I have five names. We only got through four. And I guess we're saving the best for last because he's in here and he doesn't always get the credit that he deserves for the position that he played at an extremely high level. Especially going undrafted, uh, winning Super Bowls and leading that defense. The other name is Ryan Clark.

• 53:48Ryan Clark?

  Man, uh...

• 53:49Speaker 05

  Why do y'all do this to me all the time? Nah, because I used to watch RC's tape. And I always remember when you hit Wes Welker. I was like, damn. It's difficult to describe your game because, like you said, Troy was the guy, right? But you were the one that was like, I'll do everything else. You know what I mean? And being in that position, because I've felt that before, being in that position, you do everything right. And you make everything right. And that's really what's important. Like, making the plays is the big thing, but playing in, play out, making everything right, making everything function as the free safety.

• 54:32Speaker 05

  And that is something that's unappreciated. Because a lot of people don't understand that. Like, you may be in a position where the quarterback automatically cancels a route that was his number one, and it causes James Harrison to get a pick, or Troy Palamalu to get a pick. You know what I'm saying? So I could feel the position that you're in, and that you were playing in. Because I've felt that before, as I was playing, but...

• 54:55Channing Crowder?

  Sick and unappreciated. That's what it is, that's the hashtag.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  He don't know I'm sickly.

• 55:03Channing Crowder?

  Get your Rhodesian Ridge back.

• 55:05Speaker 05

  I'm gonna get it when I get a new one back. I'm gonna get a Dobro Mew with floppy ears.

• 55:10Fred Taylor?

  Good luck to you, too. Get that check.