Bonus Episode: Backmasking and the Death of the Dangerous Rockstar

This week in the After Party, Jake looks back at the 1980s satanic panic and the uproar over supposed "backmasking" – the spurious claim that rock stars were hiding demonic messages in their music. Plus, we hear from you on your favorite Heavy Metal bands. Next week we're bringing you an episode on The Exorcist, and Jake wants to know: what movies scare you? Share your thoughts at 617-906 6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. To hear an extended version of the After Party where Jake and Dr. Zeth Lundy discuss the new Martin Scorsese documentary series, become an All Access member at disgracelandpod.com https://www.disgracelandpod.com/. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 167 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/167/van-halen- Van Halen Episode 39 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/039/led-zeppelin and 251 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/251/led-zeppelin-pt-2 - Led Zeppelin Episode 209 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/209/the-band-thanksgiving and 223 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/223/martin-scorcese-pt-2 - Martin Scorsese Episode 89 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/089/black-sabbath - Black Sabbath To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 2:15Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:42Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the Afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission: to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about our new story, Backmasking, and the death of the dangerous rock star because of our new episode on Judas Priest. We're rewinding back to our spooky Robert Johnson tale, previewing next week's episode on The Exorcist, and we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 3:25Jake Brennan?

  DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:52Jake Brennan?

  In 1990, the national news reported on a Judas Priest court case, and the heavy metal band was accused of inciting fans to commit suicide. Specifically, authorities accuse the English group of including hidden messages in their songs that could only be heard by playing vinyl copies of their albums backward. This practice, known as backmasking, wasn't a new concept in 1990.

• 4:17Jake Brennan?

  But what was new in 1990 was the idea that many in mainstream America seriously believed that rock stars were dangerous enough to want to cause intentional harm, even death, to their fans. The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osbourne, each endured backmasking controversies. In the 1960s, the Beatles were accused of including the backward message "Turn Me On Dead Man" in their song Revolution Number Nine, a supposed reference to their supposed dead bass player, Paul McCartney. In the 70s, Led Zeppelin were accused of backmasking the message "Here's to My Sweet Satan," a lyric that

• 5:00Jake Brennan?

  one could supposedly decipher by playing the Zeppelin tune "Stairway to Heaven" backward. In the 80s, in an event that would foreshadow the Judas Priest scandal, Ozzy Osbourne was sued for criminal negligence, accused by the parents of a young fan of including subliminal messages in his song "Suicide Solution," and inciting their son to kill himself. The idea that rock stars would go out of their way to design backward messaging in their recordings with the intent of causing harm to their fans is absurd. But the point is that in decades past, people believed this to be true, so much so that Ozzy Osbourne

• 5:42Jake Brennan?

  and Judas Priest were forced into court to defend lawsuits brought against them. Now, who would believe that rock stars were this dangerous? Well, lots of people. And it turns out, they had good reason. In 1966, when the Beatles' John Lennon said publicly that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ, 91% of Americans identified as Christians, compared to today, when just 61% of Americans identify as Christians.

• 6:13Jake Brennan?

  Naturally, a massive backlash against the Beatles took place after these comments. Lennon was accused of blasphemy, Beatles records were burned, their music was banned on certain radio stations throughout the American South, and Lennon was forced to publicly apologize. In 1985, when the Led Zeppelin biography Hammer of the Gods was published, news of the group's unspeakable sexual depravity involving a mud shark spread throughout every high school in America. And despite the questionable veracity of the book's author and its sources, many believed this story, and still do. And in 1981, when Ozzy Osbourne shocked CBS Records executives by biting the head off

• 6:55Jake Brennan?

  of a live dove in the middle of a business meeting, and then repeated the animal abuse onstage a year later by biting the head off of a bat, parents of teenage metalheads across the United States were horrified. Who were these lunatics entertaining American children? Blasphemy, unspeakable acts of depravity, animal abuse. We can question the seriousness of the intent behind all of these controversies, but you can't deny the shocking impact that each event had. These stories and more. Vince Neil from Motley Crue's drunk driving incident that killed Nicholas Razzle Dingly, drummer for Hanoi Rocks.

• 7:38Jake Brennan?

  Axl Rose from Guns N' Roses inciting a riot at one of the band's shows. Billy Idol compelling hotel management to call the Thai military to evict him from a Bangkok hotel over his debaucherous and violent behavior. These tales of rock and roll excess made national and sometimes international news. Authorities and parents had serious questions about the entertainers their children were being exposed to, dangerous rock stars. This fear and doubt burst into mainstream consciousness in 1985, when the PMRC, the Parents Music Resource Center, a music censorship advocacy group spearheaded by Tipper Gore,

• 8:19Jake Brennan?

  wife of then Democrat Senator Al Gore, argued in front of the entire country in a live televised senate hearing that popular musicians posed a dangerous threat to young people, and specifically accused Led Zeppelin and other groups of backmasking.

• 8:36Jake Brennan?

  Senate testimony didn't prove that rock stars were intentionally trying to harm young fans through backmasking. In fact, Frank Zappa, in his testimony against the PMRC's accusations, thoroughly destroyed their argument, saying, "The whole issue of hidden messages, backward masking and all that, if you play any record backwards long enough, you'll eventually hear what you want to hear. It's the same as looking at clouds. People see what they want. It is not scientific and it's not serious." And despite the testimony of Frank Zappa, the PMRC did prevail. The RIAA, the Recording Industry Association of America, agreed to include a warning sticker on albums deemed

• 9:18Jake Brennan?

  offensive. Sacraligious snark, sex with mud sharks, headless bats, deadly drunk-driving incidents, riots, debauchery, in a nationally televised senate hearing, all contributed to an environment of fear and moral panic, and came to a head in 1990, when the parents of a Judas Priest fan, James Vance, accused the band of backmasking messages intended to compel listeners to kill themselves. Vance was horribly disfigured in a suicide pact with his friend and fellow Judas Priest fan Raymond Bellknap, who shot and killed himself on December 23rd, 1985.

• 9:58Jake Brennan?

  As ridiculous as this lawsuit sounds, the idea that musicians would exert time, money, and creative energy in the recording studio to design secret messaging with the express purpose of causing harm, even death, to their fans, as absurd as this idea is, this is not the point. The point is that in the 1980s, people actually believed that rock stars were dangerous enough to do what they were being accused of. The Judas Priest backmasking case was very real. Ozzy Osbourne faced his own lawsuit over the same issue in 1987, and Led Zeppelin's name was smeared all over the floor of the United States senate.

• 10:40Jake Brennan?

  Rob Halford, a singer in a heavy metal band, was, along with his bandmates, forced into court to testify to his innocence in a lawsuit accusing him of wanting to kill his fans. This would never happen today. Rock stars simply aren't seen as being dangerous enough. Sure, some mainstream rockers play with dark imagery, but not in any serious kind of way. Not in a way that results in lawsuits or accusations of compelling the deaths of fans. The rock star, or the myth of the dangerous rock star, hasn't been eliminated, but it has been domesticated. Today's rock star is by comparison,

• 11:25Jake Brennan?

  or at least the perception of today's rock stars, is safe. And I would argue, for better or worse, anyway, that that's boring. These days, public fear and paranoia is expressed toward hip-hop artists like Travis Scott and Lil Nas X. And if we're to believe certain corners of the internet, it's through these artists that the devil now expresses himself. But as for the myth of the dangerous rock star, it's dead. But I am very much alive, and I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, text emails, and answers on who you think the greatest heavy metal acts of all time are. More after this.

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• 12:46Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 13:17Speaker 06

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 13:31Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 13:42Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 13:47Speaker 08

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart radio app today.

• 14:25Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and we are dangerous as ever. That entire piece on backmasking that you just heard was obviously inspired by our recent episode on Judas Priest. The whole subject totally fascinates me. The fact that people actually believed what they believed, the urban myths that backmasking created. If you're of a certain age, you heard all those stories growing up like I did, and I wanted to give the subject a little more time, thus the piece at the top of this episode. Another subject relative to Judas Priest that we didn't cover in our full story, in our full episode, I should say, was the arrest and imprisonment of Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland for abusing a minor with learning disabilities. I was shocked.

• 15:10Jake Brennan?

  To discover a part of this story that I was previously oblivious to regarding the band's thoughts on their drummer's arrest and what happened after that. Certainly not part of the public narratives surrounding Dave Holland and Judas Priest. You can sort of connect the dots here and come to a very, very interesting conclusion. Disgrace and All Access members can hear that conclusion and that story in our mini episode this week, available for Patreon and Apple subscribers. Five bucks a month to get that content along with ad-free listening and more. Just go to disgraceampod.com to sign up before those prices go up at the end of October and know that when you do sign up, you're supporting the show and we really appreciate

• 15:55Jake Brennan?

  that. Speaking of myths, were we speaking of myths? I don't know. I feel like we're always doing some sort of myth work here. And in this week's rewind episode on Robert Johnson, we play with the myth that Robert Johnson sold his soul to the devil for success, which to me is kind of rote, kind of boring. I've got a different take on Robert Johnson and the devil and you're not going to want to miss it. This episode has some of our best and creepiest sound design, perfect for Halloween. So make sure you don't miss it. It's coming up directly after this bonus episode next week. All the chills hit when we dive into our Exorcist story again on the Halloween tip. Do yourself a favor and download that episode.

• 16:38Jake Brennan?

  Climb into bed, turn off the lights, put some headphones on and be prepared to creep out with us on my favorite episodes. When we originally released this story last year, we received a ton of positive feedback from you guys, including some who are connected to the story, which is really fascinating. We knew we had an instant Halloween classic, so I'm excited to listen again and I hope you are too. All right. The Exorcist story is indeed creepy and deals with some heavy issues. But it also prompts a really fun question. What is the scariest movie by your estimation? The scariest movie of all time? I don't know how you want to term it. Whatever scares the hell out of you. We talked about this last year and got a boatload of responses.

• 17:23Jake Brennan?

  We're still getting responses on it, if I'm being totally honest. So I know it's a subject that still has legs and I know that some of you guys are constantly watching new horror and watching old horror and updating your, your list of favorite scary movies. So when you're listening to the Exorcist episode next week, be thinking about which movies has scared you the most, uh, which have really freaked you the hell out, whether they're old classics, new ones, things you've seen since, since last year. And we talked about this last, whatever it is, hit me up, let me know. 617-906-6638. Leave a voicemail and a text. I love getting hip to horror movies that I haven't seen and reminded of classics that I need to re-watch this year. 617-906-6638.

• 18:06Jake Brennan?

  Call, let me know which scary movies freak you out the most and, uh, what we all need to be watching this Halloween. All right. And on the subject of you guys and your voicemails, excuse that chair in the background sliding across the floor. I moved the studio around a little bit yesterday, trying to go for a little, a fresh look here. More of a flat background. Um, you know, and I'm still settling in here. All right. So excuse that, that rolling chair. There it is again. Anyways, on the subject of you guys and your voicemails and texts, let's hear your answers to last week's question of the week on the heavy metal artists that are on your Mount Rushmore of heavy metal. Let's hear from Ben in the 803.

• 18:47Speaker 09

  Hey Jake, this is Ben from the 803 weighing in on a subject that is back in my wheelhouse as a young impressionable guy in the eighties during the, uh, heyday of the heavy metal era, if you will, learning to play guitar and naturally gravitated towards Van Halen, Byram, Mountsey, those guys. But when you're talking about bands, there was just something. Big and majestic and well downright British, obviously, about the two best metal bands of all time, in my opinion, they would be one and one A, and that would be Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. Those guys just hit different and, you know, again, when you're going from listening to, you know, Van Halen and all this, uh, stuff with the ribbon guitars and

• 19:32Speaker 09

  you hear the, uh, you hear, you know, Glenn Tipton, K.K. Downing, those guys and the way they were doing their dual guitar melodies and everything else. It was just, everything was a little bit bigger and badder, you know what I mean? And then, uh, ultimate concert ever was probably the Iron Maiden Power Slave Tour. I still have nightmares about A coming at me. Thanks a lot, Jay. Keep up the great work. Rock-a-roller.

• 19:55Jake Brennan?

  Ben, I feel the Van Halen love and I agree with you. Iron Maiden and Judas Priest just hit different. This didn't make it into the Judas Priest episode, but it was one of the things that I found I didn't, I didn't get to write about it. I didn't know this, that, uh, I wasn't surprised to read that Iron Maiden opened up for Judas Priest early on in their career. And, but what I, what I, what I did find that was surprising was that in K.K. Downing's book, he talks about how, uh, they, he basically, he doesn't say he hates Iron Maiden, but he, he talks a, I didn't want to say talks shit, but he's got a very unfavorable opinion of these guys based on, not on their music, on their attitudes

• 20:39Jake Brennan?

  and the way they acted when they were touring together as a young band. And he, I think he compares them to Def Leppard and just how, what great guys Def Leppard were and how easy it was. And he has similar kind things to say about AC/DC from that time period. But Iron Maiden, he's not a fan. And this is something that's come up recently a couple of times to me. When Zeth and I were talking a few months ago about- Sharon Osbourne, we came upon this tidbit of information where Iron Maiden did an Ozfest a few years back and had a lot of beef with Sharon. And basically, a lot of people on that tour did not like Iron Maiden. So I don't know what this is all about. I

• 21:18Jake Brennan?

  mean, I'm not, admittedly, I'm not an Iron Maiden aficionado. I like Iron Maiden. I was listening to the Somewhere in Time album the other day, a couple of days ago, copped that on CD at Armageddon Records in Harvard Square when I was up in Boston a couple of weeks ago, or Cambridge, I should say, and was listening to that album. Loved that album. Stranger to Strangeland, such a fucking Bruce Dickinson's voice, man. So good. Epic, epic, epic, epic choruses. And also kind of sounds like these guys might have been epic dicks as well. Anyways, that came up in the Judas Priest research. All right, let's go,

• 21:59Jake Brennan?

  we got another call here from the 803. 803, this is from Eric. The last 803 voicemail is from Ben. I wonder if you guys know each other. Just curious. Eric in the 803. Let's hear what you get to say.

• 22:14Speaker 10

  Hey Jake, it's Eric from the 803 calling to tell you that my favorite heavy metal band of all time is Judas Priest. I'm an 80s metal kid. Love lots of bands from that era and beyond, but the Priest are my favorite. Screaming for Vengeance is probably my favorite album of all time, and Rob is definitely my favorite metal singer. So rock on. Love your show. Talk to you later.

• 22:41Jake Brennan?

  Eric, I agree. Judas Priest stands amongst the greats. You mentioned Screaming for Vengeance, and I have to mention here, a mistake that I made in the Judas Priest episode, that Marty E. emailed me about. I confused the Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith albums in our story when I was giving a breakdown of record sales by Judas Priest. If you downloaded an early version of that episode, you might have heard that mistake. We've since corrected it and Re-uploaded the correction, the correct episode, uh, correct information in the episode, excuse me. So if you're downloading a later version, you're just gonna get the correct stuff and it doesn't matter. My bad and total brain fart. Well aware of the differences

• 23:25Jake Brennan?

  between the albums. My bad. And thank you Marty E for pointing that out. I appreciate it. Um, all right, we're gonna move out of the 803, which I believe is South Carolina. And we're gonna head, uh, back to my neck of the woods in the 978.

• 23:39Speaker 11

  Jay, what's up? It's Mark from 978. Greatest metal band of all time. Listen, man, there's a hierarchy here, right? Uh, I think just about anybody who's ever owned a battle deck would probably agree to this. It's gotta be Sabbath. It's gotta be Sabbath. They basically invented the genre, right? But then after Sabbath, sure, that's when you can start talking about Maiden and Priest, okay? And then, in my opinion, after that is like the big four, right? Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax. So it's almost like, uh, like different groups, right? But Sabbath has to be above all of them in, in, I don't know,

• 24:22Speaker 11

  in my opinion. Side note, you're absolutely right. Hall and Oath is freaking awesome. And, uh, yeah, love what you do. Keep it up. Rock and roll.

• 24:31Jake Brennan?

  978, I like your hierarchy and I agree. You gotta put Black Sabbath at the top of the list. Sorry to say, Priest fans, without Black Sabbath, there just wouldn't be Judas Priest. Let's see what's up in the 507.

• 24:49Speaker 12

  Hey, what up? This is, uh, Hammy from the 507. Uh, I was just gonna go ahead and let you know that that play-in with, uh, with the, uh, he's a bad, bad band. That's the first time I've heard it. Um, it's on the mini-episode leading into the Judas Priest. And I mean, I listen to most of y'all's episodes, but that's the first time I heard it. And I, man, I rewound it like six times, dude. Just bouncing, just bouncing to he's a bad, bad band with the beat. Love what y'all do. Don't ever stop.

• 25:20Jake Brennan?

  I love it, 507. I love it, man. I love that you're into that. That's my son. When he was four years old, uh, speaking into the mic, he's a bad, bad man. And, uh, yeah, you guys become All-Access members. You get to cop those mini-episodes. You'll hear all about what the 507 is talking about. While I look for this email I want to read to you guys, I've got Iron Maiden cruising through my head.

• 25:47Jake Brennan?

  And Stranger to Strange Land.

• 25:51Jake Brennan?

  First of all, the album art is incredible. And Wasted Years, that is the song I am thinking about with the epic chorus. If I misspoke earlier, I'm in danger of losing serious Metalhead cred here with these mistakes. I'm not sure that was one, and I'm not going to go back and listen and try to correct it. I'm just going to let you know what's swimming through my head here in real time. And I'm resisting the urge to launch into full Bruce Dickinson chorus mode right now. No one wants to hear that, especially not my kids. 775 writes in, hey, I was bummed to hear about the passing of Ace Frehley yesterday. He was so much better than Kiss Let Him Be. Talk about a musician hogtied by his band.

• 26:36Jake Brennan?

  I bought all of the 1978 solo albums by the guys in Kiss. His was hands down the best. Every song is a straight banger. I agree, I love that record and I, this is a really good take about Ace Frehley, 775. Ace Frehley was, as I mentioned this in an Instagram post, he was a great guitar player who was, I believe wrongly maligned by guitar snobs as not being a great guitar player. Just, what's the word I'm looking for? It's not anything profound. It's just, the point is, he is so great, so impactful, directly responsible for so many of us picking up the guitars in the first place. And you just cannot deny the guy that. He was fantastic and rest in peace, Ace.

• 27:21Jake Brennan?

  I know you're, you're up there looking down at an incredible legacy. Pour one out for Ace Frehley. 775 also goes on to say, I was obsessed with Priest in the early eighties and remember waiting outside the courthouse in my hometown of Reno, Nevada to try to meet them when the suicide case was going on. Those poor kids were deeply disturbed, indeed, very disturbed. That's wild that you were there. I wonder what that scene was like. Write us back, 775, or call us, better yet, leave a voicemail. Tell us what that scene was like at the courthouse back when Priest was on trial. Incredible. Appreciate all the voicemails. Appreciate the texts. Appreciate the emails, guys. Thank you. Keep them coming.

• 28:05Jake Brennan?

  At DisgraceLandPod on the socials. You want to hit me up there as well. [email protected] on email. As always, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. I'll be back right after this.

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• 28:57Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 29:27Speaker 06

  Hi, I'm Jenna Ashkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 29:42Speaker 07

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 29:53Speaker 06

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 29:58Speaker 08

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 30:04Speaker 06

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

• 30:31Jake Brennan?

  I've decided that Martin Scorsese, that's Mr. Martin Scorsese, is my favorite filmmaker of all time. I say decided like this is a new revelation, but I've known it for some time and it's for many reasons, but the main reason is that Scorsese is just the most rock and roll of all the directors, in my mind, anyway. So that's reason 1A. Reason 1B, we get into in the exclusive section of this episode coming up. By we, I mean me and Dr. Zethlon D. from the prestigious Hollywoodland Hospital, excuse me, Hollywoodland Podcast. We're talking about this because of the new five-part documentary series on

• 31:10Jake Brennan?

  Martin Scorsese that was released last week. Now, listen, it's called Mr. Scorsese. Everyone who knows him, back from the old neighborhood, who's in this doc, refers to him as Martin Scorsessi. Scorsessi, not Scorsese. I've been saying Scorsese my whole life. Now I'm trying to correct myself and say Scorsessi. It's like trying to correct myself and say Nevada instead of Nevada. I can't do it. It's hard. I try. I'm gonna fail. I'm letting you know. Anyways, this doc was released last week. I've seen three of the five episodes. It's incredible. Zeth talks about this and a whole lot more in his Rap Party episode of Hollywoodland,

• 31:53Jake Brennan?

  bonus episode of Hollywoodland this week. Here's a taste of what you're missing if you're not subscribed.

• 31:59Speaker 13

  What was really great that I watched over the weekend was Apple TV's new documentary series, Mr. Scorsese. This is a five-part series, obviously, about Martin Scorsese, directed by Rebecca Miller. If you like Martin Scorsese, or you just like movies, I cannot recommend. I mean, if you like art, if you like getting inside an artist's head and seeing-

• 32:21Jake Brennan?

  How they do what they do. I cannot recommend this series enough. I don't think there has ever been a portrait, as Rebecca Miller calls it, of a filmmaker that is this personal and this much of a deep dive. And I'm not just talking into his career, into his work, but into his life. Okay. The first two episodes were my favorites because they shed so much light on Martin Scorsese's upbringing, his childhood. And a big part of these first two episodes are conversations and interviews with his childhood friends now. And they really bring this whole backstory to life. I knew about his backstory, but I didn't know about it with this much shading, this much color, this much character. They

• 33:03Jake Brennan?

  bring the true criminess of it all to the surface. The organized crime that's been hanging out in the shadows, these shadowy figures that his father has to deal with. And then how all of these things made their way into Scorsese's movies, not only into his movies, but into how he dealt with studios and executives and people who were difficult to deal with and all these lessons that he took from his father and how his father would deal with all these authority figures in the neighborhood back in the day. All right. That's Dr. Zeth Lundie in the Hollywood Land podcast. Subscribe to Hollywood Land wherever you get your podcasts. You know who I felt like when I just read that?

• 33:42Jake Brennan?

  I felt like the announcer, the hockey announcer in Slapshot. I don't know why. If anyone's seen Slapshot, maybe, maybe you'll know what I'm talking about. It's a wild digression. I got to reel it in. So that's what I'm going to do. Okay. This past weekend, hold up, hold up, hold up. I almost forgot. This 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot available online to fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. This past weekend, Shohei Ohtani of the Los Angeles Dodgers did something I'd never seen ever in all my years of watching baseball in a

• 34:23Jake Brennan?

  deciding championship series game. He started the game on the mound, struck out the first three batters of the game in the top of the first inning, then got up to the plate to hit leadoff in the bottom of the first and immediately homered. Sheer dominance. It was incredible to watch. He then went on to pitch six scoreless innings and homer two more times. Now, I told my kids they were lucky to be alive during the same time period that this dude is playing baseball. And then next day, Monday, I'm still on this high. My kids are all pumped about it. I'm pumped about it. We're talking about it. I turn on Boston Sports Radio to hear cranky old dudes, of which I definitely am not one, trying to make the case that Shohei Ohtani

• 35:05Jake Brennan?

  is no Babe Ruth. Now, hold up. This is apples to donuts. I can almost excuse the case old heads try to make for Ruth over Ohtani, but I can't excuse the certainty of their argument or the smugness. Come on, come on, man. Dude plays in a completely different era in a foreign country in a game that is played in a language that he doesn't speak. Babe Ruth played in the dead ball era at a time when the league was segregated and when a big portion of the talent was overseas fighting a war. Okay, you can't compare the two. So just chill and enjoy this magnificent display of dominance, perhaps with a new pumpkin spice

• 35:49Jake Brennan?

  flavor five hour energy shot. Matt, how do I do?

• 35:52Speaker 14

  134 Jake, but I gotta agree with you on Ohtani. We're all lucky to see him play. Hey, who's gonna win the series?

• 36:00Jake Brennan?

  Dodgers in six. That's what I'm saying. That was a sports rant sponsored by five hour energy's new pumpkin spice flavor. These new pumpkin spice five hour energy shots are fall in a bottle and bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love. Our favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot available online at five hour energy.com or Amazon. All right, all right, all right. I promised you guys a Scorsese conversation and you're gonna get it right now. Zeph Lundie and I breaking down the five episode doc series called Mr. Scorsese with some surprising insights into our own Scorsese storytelling. That's coming up right now for all access members. Five bucks a month for the exclusive content like this and our mini episodes plus

• 36:43Jake Brennan?

  ad free listening. Head to disgracelandpod.com to sign up.

• 37:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, back in the saddle again. Ozzy Osbourne, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Van Halen, all those artists were mentioned today. All those artists are in the Disgrace and Archive with stories on each. Some have multiple episodes. You can check that out. You can find those episodes very easily by just going to the show notes of this Afterparty Monus episode. And Matt will have all of the relevant episode information in the show notes so that you can find these stories very quickly. And you know, just continue with your, with your week, weekend, weekend listening. All right, let's recap, shall we?

• 37:42Jake Brennan?

  Number one, this week's full episode is on Judas Priest, and that's available for you to listen to at this moment. Number two, our new mini-episode for All-Access members on Judas Priest drummer Dave Holland's Arrest, Imprisonment, and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction. That's available as well for our All-Access members. Number three, Rewind episode on Robert Johnson and the Myth. You've never heard before. You're going to get that this coming Friday. That's coming right after this. Number four, next week, our Exorcist episode. Five, Zeth Gets Deeper into Mr. Scorsese in the Rap Party episode of Hollywood Land. Number six, 617-906-6638. Give me a call because your voice, you're digging into the dark corners of music history, your experiences with the music that you love.

• 38:26Jake Brennan?

  All of that, call, text, hit me with your answers to this week's question of the week, or whatever else you want to talk about. And don't forget, Discos, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right, on December 23rd, 1985, two metalheads got wasted and fucked around with a sawed-off shotgun forever changing the trajectory of their favorite band, Judas Priest. And this is what America was listening to on that day. Number one, Say You, Say Me, Lionel Richie. Last week, three. Weeks on chart, seven.

• 39:09Jake Brennan?

  Number two, Broken Wings, Mr. Mister. Last week, one. Weeks on chart, fourteen. Number three, Party All The Time, Eddie Murphy. Last week, four. Weeks on chart, twelve. Number four, Alive and Kicking, Simple Minds. Last week, seven. Weeks on chart, ten. Number five, Separate Lives, Phil Collins and Marilyn Martin. Last week, two. Weeks on chart, twelve. Number six, Election Day.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  He makes the best films. He makes the best films I've ever seen in my life. I love him. Cut it.

• 40:05Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages, second true crime voyages. Back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape

• 40:48Jake Brennan?

  sets sail March 20th, 2027 to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wyscrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrim to secure your spot.

• 41:26Speaker 03

  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

• 41:40Speaker 04

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• 42:24Speaker 04

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