#348 - World's OLDEST Text Suggests Humans Aren't From Earth | Matt LaCroix

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Matthew LaCroix is an author and ancient history expert who has extensively studied the secrets of lost civilizations, megaliths, earth cycles and ancient texts for two decades. SPONSORS https://www.amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJ22 for 22% off your first order. https://www.irestore.com/dannyjones - Use code DANNYJONES & unlock HUGE savings. https://clean.ver.so/danny - Use code DANNY for 15% off your order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Matt's YouTube: @MatthewLaCroix https://thestageoftime.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Merging academia & alternative history 09:06 - The history of humanity is wrong 22:12 - Lake Van in Turkey 30:51 - The ancient climate apocalypse 39:23 - Serapeum boxes & disrespectful Egyptians 46:23 - Largest underground cities in the world 52:33 - How real are the ancient Sumerian stories? 58:05 - The depth of Lake Van 01:08:03 - The moon is impossible 01:19:29 - Our society is growing less advanced 01:23:32 - Secret societies & suppressing ancient knowledge 01:35:56 - The controllers of our reality 01:45:13 - The ancient Egypt coverup 01:53:39 - Ancient tablets & magical civilizations 02:03:10 - Inconsistencies in religious texts 02:05:58 - Ancient Greek vs Hebrew 02:08:33 - The Ionis temple 02:18:58 - Dating Lake Van ruins - older than Gobekli Tepe 02:32:44 - The Trimurti 02:39:13 - The Anunnaki story & what Zecharia Sitchin got wrong 02:48:59 - The Myth of Adapa - oldest text ever written 02:57:26 - UFOs: ancient tech vs. government tech 03:04:58 - Plutarch & proof of Atlantis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  So if you've ever had questions about the nature of lost civilizations and like the whole mysterious time period, like that's what I do.

• 1:15Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  To a very deep level where I take it from a very serious academic level, though.

• 1:19Danny Jones?

  Right, okay.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Always evidence driven, work with, I'm working with a lot of archaeologists around the world to uncover this, yeah. So that's where I blur into a whole nother place, where I'm not like in opposition. Like a lot of these, a lot of these guys are like in opposition, like, you know, them, like, they're not telling us the truth. I'm actually working with them and it's like, I'm under the understanding, it's like, okay, it's okay that they have a narrative that they want to stick to, but if you come at it with like a really friendly cooperative approach, you can just end up working together.

• 1:50Danny Jones?

  So, so, so you are like bridging the gap between the conventional mainstream archaeologists, geologists, climatologists, all this stuff and like the, the alternative stuff?

• 1:59Speaker 01

  That's exactly what my goal is.

• 2:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  So Danny, my, I guess you could say my purpose in all of this, that I am very deeply driven is to bridge, like you said, that gap between the academic world and the alternative history world, as it's called, which is a very sad term that they're using because it's not really alternative history. It's exploring. History through truth, through objective analysis and understanding. And so, one of the things that's the most sad to me as being someone who's a well-studied academic in that area is that the entire basis of science has actually quite broken down into a place that is very unfortunate because science is about the objective search for truth, no matter what.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Like, you just go where the evidence is. You don't have a predetermined expectation of what it's going to be. So if you have evidence that comes up that challenges that traditional narrative, it's in your duty to explore it, not to decide to ignore it, be purely based on all the shoulders of other men and women that have come before you that have laid down some kind of a timeline narrative. That's why science is broken right now, because science is no longer explores things just based on the evidence and on what the truth is. It's actually just based on agendas and based on predetermined expectations for things. And so that's where I come into this, with a place of being well-studied, where I know that, I know what they're looking for, for evidence, and I'm not silly, like I'm coming at this

• 3:29Speaker 01

  just throwing out information and random things where they're like, "Oh, well, he's got nothing to base it on." Like, that, no, if anything, we're uncovering pieces of evidence and dating mechanisms that have potentially never been available before.

• 3:41Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. So, I'm really excited for this podcast because I know there's a lot of different directions we're going to end up going. I watched a couple of your episodes with Julian Doy, which were fantastic. And, uh, look, you're here to be my tour guide today. So, uh, I'm gonna hold your hand and you're gonna take me on a magic carpet ride through the history of Mesopotamia, uh, Egypt, all this stuff. So, um, first of all, where have you been recently? Like, what can I, explain like the travels that you've been doing this past year with your documentary and what you were looking at in Turkey and all that?

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Sure. We've been, I have spearheaded, I started this, god, it was over a year and a half ago, um, to develop a documentary. And the reason for that was that I felt as though the things that I was connecting with and finding and studying were so... Important and so significant that they needed a certain kind of medium, a certain way that the world could see them, right? It's not if you and I just talking on a podcast is great. It's one thing, but providing people with a journey where they get to actually go and almost be there and see these things being found and in the field and analysis done on

• 4:56Speaker 01

  them and studied. I want people to go on. The whole purpose is of this documentary is I want people to go on that adventure. This isn't a Talking Heads documentary. This is an adventure around the world. We successfully filmed in six countries. That is not something that that often typically happens. You're let alone if you even get a couple of countries, uh, which was not easy to do permits and getting relationships forged with different people in some places of the world, like parts of Eastern Turkey.

• 5:24Danny Jones?

  You did it the hard way. You asked for permission.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, we want to do everything legitimately because we're working with a lot of those, uh, those archaeologists. So instead of having something that's separate where it's like, hey, guys, can you let us go do our thing here, but we don't really care what you're doing type of thing. We actually had the complete opposite approach where we said, look, I, I really respect your opinion and your, your body of work and your research, and I would love to have you come into this and share your perspectives, but we're also going to be exploring other possible perspectives. And they, even though they just respectfully disagreed with some of those perspectives, because you, you come

• 6:05Speaker 01

  at it with a friendly collaborative type of approach, they often can see the benefits in wanting to work with people like that. For instance, a lot of these places in Eastern Turkey are very unknown by the world. Funding is, is, is a lack of funding, interest. And so I am bringing a lot of interest to these sites. And so even if they don't necessarily all agree with the direction I'm exploring, which we'll talk about what that is, that I think that they appreciate a collaborative viewpoint approach that still respects the work they're doing.

• 6:40Danny Jones?

  Interesting. So what specific sites in Turkey were you looking at?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  This all started for me when I was exploring ancient connections to Mesopotamia. The ancient story of Zia Sudra back to that story became a Christian, the Christian story of Noah. Okay, but that's the original story that's very different than it eventually ended up being. Has origins that are thousands of years older. Goes all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia. In fact, if you were to look at something like all the cuneiform tablets that in there, there are thousands that have been found. Out of places like Nineveh and the ancient library of Asherpona, Asherpona, Asherbonapool Library. And then the Sumerians, the Cadians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. They all wrote different versions of really important things that were going on in their world. Okay, like the most important things to them that mattered.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  One of them was their understanding of, of our origins. Which is very interesting in itself. The second thing they wrote about.

• 7:34Danny Jones?

  Mesopotamian?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:35Danny Jones?

  Understanding of our origins?

• 7:36Speaker 01

  And that's, and those are the earliest, oldest writings on earth bar none. And we know that because paper only lasts 500 to 1,000 years at the best. Okay, and then what do you have like cave paintings?

• 7:46Danny Jones?

  And these are all written and carved into stone?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  So what they did is they found this ingenious method to preserve a message. And we don't even do that really today. In which they figured out if you do something on the outer part, like if you paint or draw, it'll just wipe away. Right? Same thing with paper. All those things won't survive.

• 8:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  So the only way to have a message survive is to indent it into clay or stone. With writing that actually has, they're like wedges. And why that's important is because they go into it rather than be on the outside. And so when you bake the clay after, you then get tablets. And they can survive for up to, if not sometimes depending on the condition. Over 5,000 years.

• 8:28Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  So we're talking about, think about paper, 500 to 1,000 years. And now you have tablets that can be 5,000 years. So well over five times that, that length. That's why I put so much weight on studying cuneiform tablets. Because they're the origins and older stories of mankind, bar none. And a lot of the things that come later are based on those. That's what's so impressive is it's not like a disconnection later. It's actually a direct seamless connection of older traditions and older things that go far back before that. And that's what initially led me, led me there.

• 9:04Danny Jones?

  Can you carbon date clay?

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Depending on the condition, so carbon dating is often based on the preservation of that material.

• 9:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  So stone, right, so Gobekli Tepe was dated because the site was buried and they found organic matter they believe was unaffected by the environment.

• 9:22Danny Jones?

  But you can't date the stone, but you can look at the organic matter and say it was minimum this age.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can tell when that first grew on it, right? It doesn't even mean necessarily that that structure was built then. It just means whatever that organic matter was, that that's when it first, you know, took hold.

• 9:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Which we're finding other, there's other dating that's starting to come up, like luminescence dating and types of dating with sediment cores that we're investigating. And there's a whole other host of things that we're looking into for the dating, the dating mechanisms behind that. Do you know how this whole thing got started? The whole story and how, and how researchers like me even began in this?

• 10:01Danny Jones?

  What thing?

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Well, I think it'd be important that people, we get everybody on the same page.

• 10:05Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Okay, so history has been largely unchanged in terms of our understanding of ancient history since about the Romans, about 2,000 years. A lot of people don't know that, is that Herodotus played a very big role with Constantine, informing what we think of as history, right? Couple of people, like, yeah, let's put this here, put this here, put this here. Well, what most people don't know is that has remained unchanged for well over a thousand years. I don't mean unchanged like nothing has been added, but the, the old ancient story of when the Egyptians are here, when the Sumerians were here, when the Peruvian, like all that, that story has been around for well over a thousand years and it hasn't changed.

• 10:47Danny Jones?

  What story specifically, though?

• 10:49Speaker 01

  The story of, of us. We're gonna call it the story of us, Danny.

• 10:52Danny Jones?

  Okay, Herodotus first wrote about this?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  So like, when did civilization emerge? When did we stop, when did we go from being hunter gatherers and nomadic to the emergence of something that, that defined us as a civilization? Now that narrative has not changed. That narrative has been firmly established for a very long time. Now, there are people like me who came into this field. That saw huge holes in it. Now, the first pioneer you could call him, and he's a hero in this field, is this man named John Anthony West. Have you heard of him?

• 11:25Danny Jones?

  Of course, yeah.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  He wrote a book called Serpent in the Sky. He was, you could really say, the prominent founder, father of all this. Okay, he was a well-versed, very well-studied man. He lived in Egypt. And he had been pointed out by another geologist, a French geologist, over some anomalies that they saw at the Sphinx enclosure. You've heard this story?

• 11:49Danny Jones?

  Robert Schalk?

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. So, Jonathan West is friends with Dr. Robert Schalk, who's one of the most famous geologists in the world. He's a PhD geologist. That is a big deal because up until that point, no PhD or accredited high-level academic had ever challenged the narrative. It was like untouchable, okay? Well, in the early 90s, Jonathan West brought Robert Schalk over to the Sphinx enclosure to date and look at and say, this does not look like wind erosion, which is what the traditional narrative was, that why does that matter so much? Well, during the Egyptian times, if it's wind erosion, it can be easily explained, if that's the evidence, for saying it was from, everything was built in Egypt during the dynastic period.

• 12:31Danny Jones?

  Exactly, right.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Problem was that-

• 12:33Danny Jones?

  Between around 2000 to 4000 B.C., right?

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, right in there, yeah. And so, the problem is, though, Robert got off his plane, took the bus to Giza. He walks in the Sphinx enclosure, and within five minutes, he knew.

• 12:46Danny Jones?

  That it was water.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Took five minutes for an academic to disprove a longstanding thing that had become a basis for an understanding of timelines of the Egyptians and when things were built. It was like all based on that.

• 13:01Danny Jones?

  So, did he, when you say he disproved that, has Egyptology, by and large, accepted that?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:09Danny Jones?

  So, they, they, okay.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really unfortunate. So, what happened is, he goes, he sees 100% it's water erosion. He's well-studied in that area. A lot of other, I won't say academics, other, we'll say studied researchers agree with him.

• 13:23Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  But mainstream doesn't.

• 13:26Danny Jones?

  Does not.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  They, they're like, won't, they won't budge on it. Okay, so, that's the first crack. I believe that's the first crack. Anybody can correct me if I'm wrong. But that was the first top-level academic that came in that started challenging the narrative, saying, look- During the dynastic Egyptians, it didn't rain at all. So how can you have extensive water erosion on the Sphinx enclosure if during that time period, there was no rain? So I like they're scratching their heads like they have no way to explain it, except for if you go back

• 13:56Danny Jones?

  Farther.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Far, a lot further than that. And like, when did ancient Egypt get rain? And that's where things

• 14:01Danny Jones?

  Was a flush rainforest, right?

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Well, it doesn't have to be a rainforest, but it needs to be enough rain to be able to create erosion.

• 14:06Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  That could just be seasonal thunderstorms, but the point is it opened up the first hole. And when I was getting into this, when I was younger, I, that was, he was a, Robert was like a hero of mine and still is. And I was studying and I was seeing like, wow. So not only that, but a lot of other things are starting to come up that are significantly challenging this, that entire narrative, like the entire narrative of who we are, how far back we go, how we got started. Why does that matter so much? Because those civilizations that emerged around the time of the Egyptians and the, the Akadians and Sumerians, they were all war empires, all of them. They were all fighting and they were all war empires.

• 14:48Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  And then after that, it was just empire after empire, like the Ottoman empire, the Roman empire. And then on and on and on. The point is Danny, that ended up defining our story. We, you look back at history and, and about even understanding mankind and, and who we are and like what consciousness is and what we once were. They look back and say, no, look, we were hunter and gatherers that were just hunting animals and kind of fighting each other. And then we emerged as civilizations fighting each other. You see, the problem here is that this entire chapter that I'm exploring, that we're about to go into, they show no signs of war at all.

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• 16:55Danny Jones?

  It's linked down below. Now, back to the show. Well, isn't there also something weird in the DNA of human beings compared to the DNA of apes and chimpanzees? Where there's like a, there's a specific part of it missing?

• 17:09Speaker 01

  It has to do with the chromosomes.

• 17:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  So, all primates on Earth have 48 chromosomes, okay? All primates, all apes, except humans have 46. We're the only mammal that's in that category, if you want to call it, that has, it's missing two chromosomes. Or one that's combined with two. But we're missing like this chunk of our DNA and nobody knows how to explain it. Which is why we seem so vastly different than the ape world, because we are. We are actually a lot more, a lot more different than we are, than we have similarities in common.

• 17:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it seems like the leap between apes and humans is insane.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  It's huge. And they're gonna say, well, no, look, we've shared this percentage of DNA with a cow, but that percentage, even though it's small, contains like everything.

• 17:57Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, and like, I've never heard any conventional explanation for this that makes sense to me. You know, it just seems like, it seems to me like the most, I wouldn't say plausible, but it's...

• 18:14Danny Jones?

  It seems like there's been some tinkering. You know what I mean? Like, somebody came down and said, you know, we're gonna manipulate these fucking monkeys a little bit, make their brains way bigger and make them way spatter, which, and then, you know, like, how else do you explain the massive gap between like the brain size with us and the apes?

• 18:32Speaker 01

  But that's exactly what the tell us talk about. Is they talk about that entire creation of us in our, and how we were part of something that was like a plan. And that's where, again, you wanna know that the answers to all these things, yes, you can study more modern esoteric texts, and I love, like, look, you know, studying hermeticism and others. But if you wanna get to the heart of the details of our story and where we came from, you gotta read the tablets, right?

• 18:58Danny Jones?

  Can you read this?

• 18:59Speaker 01

  I, I know the best translators that have done it. I am not, I am not a serologist. I wanna be very clear. However, what I have done is a lot of homework to make sure that I know who the best translators in history were, and what the, and I've cross-referenced every version of those tablets to find the ones that are basically more genuine. And I, I say that because if someone was to just wanna go look up an ancient tablet, like, say, let's say the Enuma Elish.

• 19:24Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Okay? They may pull up a Babylonian version and not even know it. And then be reading about how mankind is created by like-

• 19:31Danny Jones?

  Like Babylonian version?

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so what we, what we look at, if we were to like, look at a timeline, okay? Let's say this is a timeline. This is really, really ancient. This is more recent. You have the whole Sumerian epic, which is what we can get into and talk about, that I think was completely separate from the Akkadian, Assyrians, and Babylonians. They're like separate time periods, okay? And the Babylonians also recorded and re-recorded the stories that were older than them. But they altered them a little bit based on their patron god.

• 20:02Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  And so what I mean is, when you cross-reference all of them, and this is what I've done, is you go back and you could find the origins of when something was like its most pure form. Right? It's like the telephone game where by the time you get to the end of the circle, it's something really goofy, right?

• 20:17Danny Jones?

  And even today, you have people that translate multiple texts in multiple languages that come up with different translations and meanings for things. And you even have dictionaries online that are completely divorced from each other, depending on somebody's belief system.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:30Danny Jones?

  Like, there's literally, there's a Mormon dictionary, there's like a Greek dictionary, there's like a Christian dictionary, like depending on what sort of religion or what your bent is, you can find different meanings for different words. And that's why people all over the spectrum have different theories of what was going on back then.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  That's why this area is so finite and important. Because if you don't know who those translators are, you don't know the versions you're looking at, you're not really gonna necessarily be seeing what you're supposed to be seeing. And so that's what I spent decades of my life doing, was really focusing on studying every single tablet, cross-referencing every city mentioned, every association that's important as part of understanding the stories, because there is a lot of allegorical things in it. It's not all, it's not all like literal.

• 21:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  So separating what is literal from symbolic and allegorical is not easy. But that's where I started to getting really curious, because here we have these stories that are supposed to just be myths and allegories, they're not real, and yet real cities are mentioned, real rulers are mentioned, real events are mentioned. And so when I was cross-referencing all of them, I started to put them all together and recreate the timeline of this ancient world and what happened to them, what they experienced, what they said about where we came from, like who we are. And as that unfolded, it led me to like Vaughan and then opened up this entire rabbit hole, because I had already been studying megalists and this type of work around the world, not

• 21:59Speaker 01

  monoliths like Stonehenge, highly precise megalists, like for instance, the Valley Temple in Egypt, or Oyantetombo, or Saskiwaman in Peru, or Pumapunku in Bolivia, or where you have... Very large or often very well cut stones, very, very beautifully done, usually a very hard type of stone, not something soft, and it often has a type of architecture that either only follows two forms, and there's only two. There's either the very, very ninety degree angle kind of sharp look, and then there's the really polygonal, natural look like we see in, for instance, Saskia Waman, where it's like big pillow, I'm sure you've seen that, the huge pillow stones.

• 22:41Danny Jones?

  And how they all magically fit together, mold together?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:44Danny Jones?

  It's like you took hot rocks and just squished them together.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Exactly, and that's what we're investigating is also how those things could have even been done. But the point is that when I was studying all those around the world and looking at the symbols, they sometimes had symbols, and other times it was just a signature of stonework, I found what I believed was the most important key of all, which is why I'm calling the documentary, The Missing Key, and my book, The Missing Key, is that I believe that Lake Vannes is the origin of all of it.

• 23:13Danny Jones?

  What's Lake Vannes?

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Lake Vannes is a region, is a lake in eastern Turkey, and again, this is the new Ken the Block when it comes to ancient history and archaeology, right? Everyone, you mentioned Turkey, and everyone's like, oh, Gobekli Tepe and Karahen over and over and over again. But these areas are, to me, far more sophisticated, far more advanced, and just unknown, which is very strange, and they're a lot newer. I think part of the problem with these sites compared to Gobekli Tepe, Gobekli Tepe was found, you know, before, like, around nineteen forty's, it's been around a long time. Whereas, for instance, those underwater ruins that we're about to talk about under Lake Vannes, they weren't found until 2017.

• 23:53Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  So that's a big reason why a lot of these things are not known, is because we're breaking new ground.

• 24:00Danny Jones?

  So this Lake Vannes is in Turkey?

• 24:03Speaker 01

  It's in far eastern Turkey, yeah.

• 24:05Danny Jones?

  And there was underwater ruins found in...

• 24:09Danny Jones?

  Twenty seven, eight years ago.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  That's it. And so that person in the background, his name is Tossin' Jalen. He's a famous diver and videographer. He goes all over the world. He's in like 200 documentaries. He's pretty well known. He was diving in Lake Vaughan off of a town called the Gijavez. And the northern part of Lake Vaughan, he wasn't, he had not, wasn't looking for ruins. He was, he was filming underwater. These microbiolites are called, they're like a type of carbon formation that forms in the lake.

• 24:38Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  It's, Lake Vaughan's a very special lake. It's what's called, it's the largest soda lake in the world.

• 24:43Danny Jones?

  Soda.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Meaning that it's a very alkaline salty lake and it has no outlet. So soda has to do with a lake that has no river.

• 24:51Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Or water exiting. So it all gets, gets trapped in the lake.

• 24:54Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Which formed these really large, what they're called microbiolite formations. And so he was down there filming them because he's like a nature photographer, videographer.

• 25:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  And he accidentally stumbled upon what became now considered the deepest confirmed underwater ruins in the world. Again, you're going to throw out on Yanaguni or something, that's not confirmed. And in fact.

• 25:17Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Well, Robert, Robert Shock way back when Graham was doing his documentary, brought him out to Japan to do the diving off of Japan to look at what he thought was underwater ruins.

• 25:28Danny Jones?

  Is this, oh, is this the, what they were showing with the Flint Dibble debate where he was showing?

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe. And then, and then Robert Shock determined it was a natural formation and then it created a bunch of chaos, but.

• 25:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Point is.

• 25:39Danny Jones?

  It was hard to just figure out. I mean, it was like a coin flip, whether it was natural or whether it was manmade.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  But the point is that there are people that say there's certain ruins here or whatever, but these are the, the deepest underwater confirmed.

• 25:52Danny Jones?

  That's clearly bricks.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  These are stones that are, I like, andesite. It's a very hard type of stone. Now that, that ruin you're seeing right there, they're actually scattered over quite a large area. They're as shallow as 30 feet and they're as deep as 75 feet. 75 feet underwater. Like it's an enormous amount of water. That was one of the big things that led me to this region was exploring those ruins and we, uh, we, for the documentary, we actually dove down, I drove down and, and, and got a chance to see them and and swam down and see them for myself.

• 26:28Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Because they have.

• 26:30Danny Jones?

  Terrible visibility down there, huh?

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you for pulling that up.

• 26:34Danny Jones?

  Because it's so salty, right?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that's an Armenian one, though. If you if you go back, careful, there's Armenian and non Armenian. Go to that left image on right in the middle left, that one, click that for me. Okay, actually not that one, I'm sorry. Scroll down a little bit. I should have sent that one. What I want to show you is the front capstone of this has symbols on it. They were very mysterious that matched like ancient Egypt. And so that was what's so exciting about it. You see if he if he has it. I should have sent that one to him, but oh, good. Can you go to the photos I sent you? The picture of me diving has it. So it's if you go up.

• 27:11Danny Jones?

  This one?

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one. Okay, we're we're we got it. Okay, there you go.

• 27:15Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  So on what you see in front of you are two symbols. The third one was is worn off, unfortunately. Now, the middle symbol is a six-petalled flower of life-like symbol. And the one on the on the next to it is a counter clockwise spiral. Okay? Now, number one, this is deep underwater, and then it brings up all the questions of when was it built? What what could have event could have caused it to flood and be underwater, right? Which is what a lot of the dating that we're going to talk about comes from that I came up with. And then the bigger questions are, why is that symbol also at Ionis, which we'll we'll talk about at Kefkalesi? And then across the world in Egypt, at the Osirion?

• 28:02Speaker 01

  And then other places as well, is like, there's a giant puzzle here that we're putting together. A global lost civilization that seemed to be sharing knowledge all around the world. All had connections to it, and they were systematically destroyed and wiped out. And we have ample evidence showing that that that occurred during what was called the Older and Younger Dryas, which was during the end of the Pleistocene, the beginning of the Holocene, when the last ice age ended. And what we're being falsely told by by scientists is that, number one, and these are

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Unfortunate, but science has some real things that needs to get passed. The first thing is not everything is is is linear. It's not. Not everything is a slow, linear progression. Not everything is gradual. Not everything happens slowly. It just doesn't. We look at ice core samples from Antarctica and Greenland. It's right there. And that's why when people are talking about how warm it is right now and all these things. I'm like, what are you guys talking about? Go look at a Greenland ice core and see how much warmer it was when it spiked during the the younger, older dryas.

• 29:05Danny Jones?

  Wasn't it much warmer than it is now during like the Renaissance period?

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's that that too. And so what the point is that when I go back and looked and started such studying climatology and ice cores and others, you see that the climate is the earth has gone through very violent and very apocalyptic, almost cyclical events where it's on like a repetition. And that's why the earth goes into ice ages and then retreats. And then it happens over and over again because there's a cyclical nature to the earth going through those. The problem is that when it goes from an ice age to a non-glaciated period, usually it comes with crazy disasters. And we've never experienced anything like that in the last 11,500 years.

• 29:53Danny Jones?

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• 31:19Danny Jones?

  about the history of like the warming and the cooling of the earth. I want to say it was maybe Wall Street Journal, or maybe the New York Post or something like that. Steve, I don't know if you can find it, but there was a, this was like probably in the last two to three years.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  I think I saw that.

• 31:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it was wild. They were showing like the spikes and the drops where it was going down like throughout.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  That's not good for the agenda, though, you know?

• 31:45Danny Jones?

  Exactly. That was the point of it, which was crazy that a mainstream publication published something like that, you know?

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Well, that's what we're seeing is that the earth has been a lot more violent than we've often been told. And then give me another example. The last ice age, when it ended, we're taught today that the explanation for so many megafauna dying, you know, like large animals like woolly mammoths and such, the explanation we're given for why they died. And by the way, like my good friend Randall Carlson, we have good conversations around this. Forty-four million megafauna died during that event. Forty-four million in the northern hemisphere.

• 32:21Danny Jones?

  In North America, right?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Northern hemisphere because that's where it was hardest hit. Now, we're told that indigenous groups overhunted these megafauna, and that's what led to their extinction. Completely backwards, completely wrong. In fact, the opposite is true. Indigenous people were very respectful of populations. They would never overhunt. But the more important part to take away is we found.

• 32:46Danny Jones?

  Steve, this was a recent article published in a, when one of the websites, like it was either New York Post or Wall Street Journal, something like that.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  What we found, though, across the northern hemisphere, northern Alaska, northern Canada, and other places, like especially Siberia, are massive boneyards. Massive events where they all, these mammoths, all instantly died.

• 33:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  And so what we're finding, especially in the areas called the New Siberian Islands in the early 1900s, they went up and explored and were mapping them out. And they found entire mammoths that had been flash-frozen with not only undigested food in their stomachs, but actually in their throats.

• 33:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, wasn't that how they came up with the term "younger Dryas"? Because it had the driest flower?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  The flowers from that time period. What gets wild, though, is that, so, um, the Frozen Company, um, uh, Bird's Eye, really funny, like, right, of all things, how random is that? Bird's Eye, way back in the day, was doing some studies because they freeze things. And so they were doing a study on how cold it would have had to have been to freeze a mammoth, right? It was so funny, like a frozen food company. They determined it had to have been at least negative 150 degrees.

• 34:06Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Instantly. Instantly, to freeze a mammoth like that. And they're the hardiest animal on the, on the earth. Now, here's where it gets really wild.

• 34:15Danny Jones?

  To flash-freeze.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Flash-freeze a mammoth. Here's where it gets really wild, is that during the older Dryas on, in, in ice cores from Greenland, you can see this huge spike at 14 and a half thousand, 14,500 years ago, like warmer than now, okay? Crazy huge spike before all this chaos happened right after. A spike in temperatures that's like abnormal, and it only lasted for maybe a year or two, or like even that. So, when Edward Toll, the explorer, went up to New Siberians and found the frozen mammoths, wasn't the only thing he found. He found a 30-foot-tall alder tree that was hundreds of miles north of, or any trees can grow, okay? Like, out of place.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Not only that, it was flash-frozen like the mammoths with green leaves. Green leaves. It wasn't like a seasonal climate, like, seasons came in and shifted. It was in the middle of summer.

• 35:10Danny Jones?

  So how?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  And the tree froze with green leaves and the mammoths froze. In the middle of summer, it means that this event caused the temperatures up in the north to drop as low as negative 150 degrees, like instantly.

• 35:25Danny Jones?

  How does that, I mean, like, I understand if comets hit, it's gonna blackout the sun and the atmosphere, and it's gonna cause it to get very cold quickly, but how do you explain, like, instantaneously going to negative hundred degrees?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen, let's see, I won't, I was gonna bring up a movie here, but, um, okay, if you get severe interactions from the sun, and I, so, there's a lot of people in my, my field that are, that are cosmic impact theorists, I'm not one of them, I'm in the camp of Dr. Robert Shock, that instead of an impact, it's more of like a giant CME event.

• 36:06Danny Jones?

  Solar mass ejection?

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Massive charged particle event that bombards the earth and causes the magnetosphere of the whole planet to become weak, weakened, and then the poles all shift, okay? When the poles all shift, you get a weakening of that electromagnetic grid that protects the earth, and holes open up. Now, those holes can have a couple interesting effects. One of them is that if those charged particles get through one of those holes, they can, like, fry the earth. And so, when we were at Kefkalesi in the Von region, that was actually probably the primary reason Robert decided to join my, the exploration investigation of what we were doing, is that

• 36:46Speaker 01

  I was like, Robert, I'm pretty sure from my understanding of geology, that these blocks, beautiful basalt cut blocks, have vitrification on them. And I showed him pictures of, meaning melted, melted stone. And so, I showed him pictures, he came out, and we, we hiked up to this mountain temple, it's so beautiful, called Kefkalesi, and there's a massive megalith, it's, it's about 50 tons, it's huge, it's like four feet by four feet, it's, it's enormous, and the sides have all broken off, and the top still has a beautiful, smooth, uh, area where they cut it, where they, where they, whatever, however they did that. On the top of this block, the whole front of it, and these bubbles, is we can see where

• 37:30Speaker 01

  the basalt, which is one of the hardest stones on earth, it's a volcanic stone, is melted, turned into glass. So it has glass on the top of it, and he came and identified it as it is 100% vitrification. Now, in order to get basalt to melt, you'd have to have temperatures to, what do you think?

• 37:49Danny Jones?

  To get basalt to melt.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Just to get stone to melt, like quartz or basalt or anything that's got a high.

• 37:54Danny Jones?

  Thousand degrees?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Two, nearly two thousand degrees.

• 37:58Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  So on the surface. So like we're complaining about, you know, Death Valley getting like a hundred and forty.

• 38:03Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  How about two thousand? So you would essentially, you would vaporize. So if, if, if Danny Jones was hanging out at one of those sites.

• 38:12Danny Jones?

  Well, that'd be like a lightning strike, right?

• 38:13Speaker 01

  It would, you would just poof, you'd just kind of disappear. Um, and that's what's so fascinating is then, okay, so it's vitrification. It's on a stone that's already been cut. So we know the stuff, the, the stone predated that event because it has cuts on it and it's beautiful. But it means that whenever that had vitrification, it had to have been an extreme event. So that's the point is you don't just get vitrification from like everyday thunderstorms or regular events.

• 38:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Vitrification has to come from an extreme event, like something that is affecting like the whole poles of the earth and opening up holes. And the reason why these ancient sites are so targeted, because you don't just see vitrification like all over the place. It's because they were only using stones that were highly magnetic in most cases.

• 39:01Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Like they were like lightning rods. So when you have these events come through, they end up focusing on these places because they're highly magnetic. And so they basically attract electromagnetism and all these things and they, and that's what's really fascinating, Danny, is that we saw at nearby sites, not just Kefkalesi, but Shabu Estepe next to it, that the actual original stone formations that were, the temples that were there literally exploded, like exploded. We found fragments that were scattered over like an arc.

• 39:34Danny Jones?

  Boxes exploded too? Some of the Serapeum boxes in Egypt?

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Yes. That's a great example. In the, in the Serapeum in Egypt, there's these giant granite boxes and the same thing happened there. Like it was an overwhelm, like an overload of energy.

• 39:48Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  And that these areas were like specifically ended up getting that overload because the upper Susi temple at Shabu Estepe, there's nothing left of it. And but what you find are an arc. In a very specific, you can like, measure it even. Like an arc of, an arc where everything blew and flew towards. And there's, there are all these blocks. And there are all the beautiful cuts that were once in the, the temple. But they're all broken. All of them, like frat, all broken into pieces, like hundreds of them. Like they exploded. Like the whole thing exploded.

• 40:21Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah. What, what is your take on those Serapeum boxes? What do you think they were used for?

• 40:27Speaker 01

  I, I mean, maybe it's some kind of like, or maybe it's some kind of rejuvenation chamber or something. Honestly, they certainly weren't tombs.

• 40:34Danny Jones?

  No.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  To tell you that.

• 40:35Danny Jones?

  No.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  They're, this, this civilization that built all of those is, first of all, that's not the dynastic Egyptians at all. The dynastic Egyptians were graffiti artists that came later and found a bunch of things and were really disrespectful. The fact that they re-carved the Sphinx to be a pharaoh's head is the most disrespect, one of the most disrespectful things that any ancient culture has ever done.

• 40:58Danny Jones?

  The one that blew my mind the most was when we had, um, we had Adam Young and that guy Carol Lee on here the other day. And they were showing me one that I had never seen before.

• 41:09Danny Jones?

  One of those boxes that is like the most precise box in, like even more precise than the ones in the Serapeum. I forget what it was called. But, um, Steve, if you go to my Instagram page, it's like the top post where they show it. Cause I want to make sure I get this right.

• 41:26Danny Jones?

  But what Chris Dunn was saying was.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know Chris Dunn.

• 41:29Danny Jones?

  He was saying that he thinks that those boxes were used to like grow some type of crystals or something.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 41:38Danny Jones?

  He thinks they were some sort of like battery. I don't know.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  I think that's, that's entirely possible. The battery thing might be.

• 41:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, click on that.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Might be legit.

• 41:45Danny Jones?

  Click on it. Give audio.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Holy shit. This is a granite room. So this room's doing just fine. Doesn't need any retaining.

• 41:52Danny Jones?

  I've never seen this before.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Plinter's Peters said probably this is the most precise artifact ever came out of Egypt.

• 41:58Danny Jones?

  It's a perfectly polished, uh, rectangular granite box. With, looks like it was cut with a laser, dude.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  And the bottom has an angle, constant angle. If we back up, freeze it so we can see that.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  The top Holy cow. The top surface was published, Petri measured and published it and he found it to be 4,000ths of an inch deviation across about 1 and 1/4 meters, which is like, which is, I think, 20 times flatter than a normal household countertop. And this entire room is also made up.

• 42:35Danny Jones?

  20 times flatter than a normal household granite countertop.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  We're talking about a civilization that had tools and abilities and understandings that we still struggle with today. This civilization that built all of these things, the highly developed stuff, not the adobe mud brick, not the limestone, no. Only, and this is the thing that's interesting, so if you were to look at stone on the Mohs hardness scale, right, diamonds 10 hardest, you know, one would be like, I don't know, like a chalocite or a mica. The stones they were really interested in were all extremely hard, but not only that, they're highly, they're highly mineralized, either with quartz, like with granites like we see in Egypt, or in igneous terms, like igneous stones, basalt and anatite, highly

• 43:22Speaker 01

  mineralized with a lot of magnetism and quartz as well. It was, it was like they were, they didn't care where they were, they didn't, it didn't matter if the stone was 500 miles away, didn't matter if it was 1,000 miles away. This civilization didn't care about that. They cared about specifically acquiring it for very specific reasons. For its electromagnetic properties, it's, it's, I don't know, it's energetic properties on different levels that we don't seem to really get fully today. And they would go to whatever length it took to find it. And it didn't really matter to them. Like for instance, in Ionis, there's a type of, the floor is made out of this beautiful golden chalocite alabaster, it's gorgeous.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  And Egypt is the only slight comparison that has anything like it. But this golden chalocite alabaster, when I was doing research on it, and I was looking at anywhere in that region where it could be found, I determined that the nearest source was like over 1,000 miles away.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  And so it's like mystifying to try to consider, we have no idea how they cut them, these stones, and we have no idea how they moved them. We're talking some of them.

• 44:30Danny Jones?

  It's copper tools and pounding stones.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Right. Some of them were in excess of a thousand tons. We have no idea how they seamlessly created beautiful symbols and never made a mistake, how they would cut between blocks. We have no idea how they were able to drill perfect holes. It's like you're getting an example like the Aswan quarry, right? In Aswan, Egypt, you've seen where they have, they're, they're taking out host rock to build obelisks and different things. Have you seen the scoop marks?

• 44:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  What kind of technology could have scooped one of the hardest stones in the world?

• 45:03Danny Jones?

  Underneath that?

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Out of a host rock?

• 45:05Danny Jones?

  Right. That thousand ton obelisk that they haven't finished, the unfinished one? Has all those scoop marks underneath it? How? How? How are you scooping?

• 45:12Speaker 01

  How do you scoop in granite?

• 45:13Danny Jones?

  They, they were, they absolutely were using some, some sort of, I think maybe chemical or something to soften it or doing something or heat, heat.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Which is what we're exploring, actually, is the idea that maybe plasma was involved.

• 45:26Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Which is really interesting.

• 45:28Danny Jones?

  Plasma?

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yes. And so let me add something to this. I think people will find fascinating because you just brought up the unfinished obelisk in, in Egypt. Okay? That was by far the largest obelisk that they had ever created. Okay? More than double the size of the biggest one.

• 45:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Near, meanwhile, in Easter Island, the largest Moai ever that was, that was being created, like two to three times bigger than any of the Moai there, there was being taken out of the host rock, just like in Egypt.

• 45:57Danny Jones?

  But that was volcanic rock?

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Well, they're both hard, but both of them were being taken out of the host rock. And then it just, everything stopped. Meanwhile, you go across the world to China, you go to a place called, you go to a place called Yangsheng Quarry in China, and they were in the middle of taking out the largest, the largest blocks in the, in human history. Some of them weighed like well over a thousand tons. Meanwhile, you add one more, Balbek, Lebanon. Oh, yeah. And the quarries there, they were taking out the largest that they'd ever done, and they never made out of the quarry. What you have in common with all of these locations from everywhere around the world is that the civilization was in the midst of creating the largest that they'd ever created of these structures, which means that they're at the height of their civilization.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Cause they were taking on the biggest projects they've ever done globally. Everyone was. And then all of a sudden, the work stopped out of nowhere and they just vanished. That tells us a few things. It tells us, one, they probably were caught off guard somewhat. Or they wouldn't be taking on massive projects right before they're about to be destroyed. And two, the scope in of these events must have been so severe that most of them must have perished. And that whoever survived must have gone to places like these massive underground cities like Darren Kuyu and and Kai Mokli. I'm not sure you're familiar with, but um, you're not in southern Turkey are the largest underground cities in the world. Some of them go down.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  I've heard of Darren Kuyu. Yeah, it has a sister city called Kai Mokli. Okay. The wild thing is that they built these cities to be so survivable without ever having to go to the surface. That Kai Mokli is five and a half miles away from Darren Kuyu. Okay. Five and a half miles. That's a long way. And yet at the bottom of Darren Kuyu, all the way down the lowermost level, they found a tunnel, like a like a corridor that goes five and a half miles all the way to Kai Mokli. Like the people there that were trying to survive couldn't go to the surface. And they were like gonna go visit their other another city with maybe relatives.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  And so they would have to travel underground. I'm not sure. A lot of people don't like know about that. And to this day, we have no idea who built those cities. There's things thrown around based on occupations of people at different times, but we still have no idea who built them and. The amount of levels of Darren Cuyu is astounding. The amount of rock they would have had to remove. We've never even found any of the, any of the stuff they removed.

• 48:35Danny Jones?

  When did we discover Darren Cuyu? Do you know?

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Darren Cuyu is, is, is in, I think in the 1940s and it was actually totally accidental. It's a funny, it's a funny story. There was a, a man that had an, his, his house was in like an old city and he was, he had an apartment. And it was like a, it was like a mud brick apartment, whatever. And he had chickens.

• 48:52Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  And he couldn't figure out why his chickens kept disappearing. Okay? It's funny. That's, that's the story. And so he's like, what is going on? Where are my chickens? And so one day he followed one of them and he saw it go through like a hole in the wall. And so he took down the hole and it opened up and it turned out it was an entrance to the largest underground city in the world.

• 49:14Danny Jones?

  Jesus, could you imagine?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  It was right, like you were in the basement of his house.

• 49:18Danny Jones?

  You have an underground city connected to the bottom of your house?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  So.

• 49:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, go to the top right one, Steve, the Facebook one. So is this like a diagram of how deep it is?

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:29Danny Jones?

  It's like an ant city.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 49:31Danny Jones?

  It's like underneath an ant pile, what you would see.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  And that's just Darren Cuyu. That's, Kai Mocley is just like that.

• 49:36Danny Jones?

  And it can fit thousands of folks.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Up to 20,000 per place. And it's not only just what it seems with just random shafts. It's actually an entire world. They had libraries. They had areas for animals. They had areas for sleeping. They had schools. They had air shafts to, to bring down air.

• 49:54Danny Jones?

  I was gonna say, like, how the hell do they have oxygen down there?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  They had, they had a type of air shaft that went on an angle.

• 49:59Danny Jones?

  Wow, is that really it?

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:02Danny Jones?

  Holy crap. It's all lit up and everything?

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Well, they put lights in. I mean, they weren't.

• 50:05Danny Jones?

  No, I know, obviously after they did that, but it's amazing that they actually went to this extent to like, make it like inhabitable and like, so you can show people.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  So they carved these air shafts enormous distances to the top on an angle so that rainwater couldn't like flood them down there. And they would live, they would live for enormous amounts of time. And my theory that I mean, many other are also support. Is that these were created solely because of the cyclical nature of these events and how these civilizations remembered. Their ancestors had been wiped out and they built these entirely for their own survival.

• 50:39Danny Jones?

  So how would this survive a flood though?

• 50:43Speaker 01

  How would it flood? What do you mean?

• 50:44Danny Jones?

  How would you survive a flood?

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Well, they have these giant circular stones that they just roll and seal and seal them underground.

• 50:51Danny Jones?

  And it's watertight, even if there's like a, like massive catastrophic flooding?

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Have you seen the big round stones?

• 50:57Danny Jones?

  No.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Oh, they're amazing. So if you, if you look up Darren Cuyu and round door stones.

• 51:02Danny Jones?

  But then you're also cutting off the oxygen. So like-

• 51:04Speaker 01

  No, they have air shafts. So they have-

• 51:06Danny Jones?

  Like snorkels?

• 51:07Speaker 01

  They have air shafts that are cut up into high points.

• 51:10Danny Jones?

  Ah.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  Like high points that come out. There's, there's your, there you go, right there. Um, so do the one that's, yeah, the one that's next to it, bud. That gives you an idea of they would roll those across and seal everybody in.

• 51:21Danny Jones?

  And that would be watertight?

• 51:22Speaker 01

  As watertight as they could. But here's the wild thing is Danny is that what if, based on how long these events went on? Like the young, the, the older dryas into the younger dryas had series of events that occurred for over fifteen hundred years.

• 51:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  The entire human story.

• 51:46Danny Jones?

  What is the older dryas?

• 51:47Speaker 01

  The older dryas is the events that occurred right before the younger dryas. And they're not often, yeah, they're not often talked about, but the younger dryas is more like 12,000 years ago.

• 51:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  The older dryas is like 14,500 years ago, not that much further, but they have direct connections to each other. If like, if you're going to understand the younger dryas, you can unless you understand the older dryas.

• 52:08Danny Jones?

  So my understanding is that the younger dryas lasted for about a thousand years.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  And then the older dryas is another thousand. So if you combine the two, you get events, not all the time, but you get events usually always on the front and, and the front side and the backside, and then usually something in the middle. And so imagine our earth going through catastroph, catastrophic periods where certain parts of the earth is like, you can't even live there. Not everywhere, our, our life would all died, but certain parts of the earth are just violent and, and, and difficult to even live in. Imagine them going down there. Imagine entire generations never seeing the sun.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Never even coming out. As far as we know, the people that went down there and lived there, they may have never surfaced.

• 52:53Danny Jones?

  They would evolve into gray aliens with big eyes.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  Something weird like mole people, right?

• 52:57Danny Jones?

  No, no, no muscles on the body.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Like they can't see, they're blind.

• 53:00Danny Jones?

  They would develop telepathy.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  Right. No, I know. So, but it's, there you go. That's like some good analysis. You can look at some of these events to see that.

• 53:08Danny Jones?

  It's backwards, so.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  It's not my favorite graph, but.

• 53:12Danny Jones?

  10,000, 12,000.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  There's some different versions of it we can look at, but, but yeah. So there, we're talking about disasters that were enough to wipe out an entire global civilization. And then the survivors were the indigenous people, which is why they had no idea how to mimic and replicate what the ancestors did.

• 53:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's interesting, the stories, the Sumerian stories of like Enki.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:41Danny Jones?

  And the, the connection to Prometheus and Quetzalcoatl and how that story has just been copied for so long into different contexts, into different cultures.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Because it is real.

• 53:54Danny Jones?

  You know, the story of the adversary.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:57Danny Jones?

  Going against the gods.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:59Danny Jones?

  And going against the, the structure or the system and trying to break it apart and to give, and trying to save humanity, right?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:09Danny Jones?

  And it's funny that, it's interesting that Prometheus is synonymous with the devil or with Satan, the adversary. Yet he's the one who tried to save humanity from Zeus.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  It's the same as Adam and Eve's story with the snake. It's the exact same thing. The snake in Adam and Eve is Enki. It's the same, it's the same parallel to all those stories is the idea that.

• 54:30Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  You know, that this figure of Enki who is, you know, if you want to go to Norse mythology's Loki, in my equivalent, who's a trickster, that's his whole nature. He's a knowledge, he's a knowledge, he's a knowledge bringer preserver and he is the preserver of, of mankind and, and our seed of life. And so he is shown numerous times, especially the most important one being the Epic of Gilgamesh and Atreus, where he is. Uh, there's a pact. I don't know if you know this. So in the, in the tablets, the great Anuna, they're the supposedly the gods who determine our fates and determine everything here. Okay? We could talk about who they are, but they create a pact where they're not supposed to, nobody's supposed to warn mankind and they're going to create a calamity to destroy them and

• 55:15Speaker 01

  reset everything. That's the, that story comes from the earliest version of that is the Adra Hosses and then the Epic of Gilgamesh came later, but that's what that story is based on. And so they want to wipe out humanity. They say that we're being too loud. That's what Enlil complains that we're too loud and that, uh, we should be wiped out. I don't, I don't know if that has to do with language or what it does, but Enki warns the Noah figure, his name was Ziasudra, an ancient sage, priest, king of a disaster, a flood coming in the tablets. And he warns him through a reed bed. So he, he doesn't break his pact. He's right. He's on

• 55:56Speaker 01

  O three can't tell, but he tricks, he's, he's like a trickster. He speaks through a reed bed as a way to get around actually like telling them. And then he warns him and then they have this pivotal story that then lands in up in the Ararat region, which is where Vaughn is. And that's why that whole thing then continues because it's the, it's the extension of that entire story.

• 56:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Well, but it predates anything associated with the Hebrew or Christian traditions. It's not even, they actually turned that story into a bit of a silly story.

• 56:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  And it's unfortunate because it wasn't to of every kind of animal or anything. That's none of that is says that at all.

• 56:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  It talks about how he's warned because he has a very important bloodline seed of, of humanity that his, describes it as being like a connection back to the gods, like almost like a demigod.

• 56:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  And that he's warned because he needs his, the seed of mankind preserved. And that's where that whole story comes from. And it has nothing to do, again, it, it's in the ancient Mesopotamian version tells us very specific information about why he had to build like a cedar craft and then seal it because it was like the only way to survive essentially. That whole story is, is firmly established in the most important Mesopotamian traditions of all.

• 57:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's what I was tracing. That's why I ended up in the Vaughn region around Ararat is because I studied the tablets and seeing that many things were pointed towards that event actually really occurring and that we had ancient maps that showing that that's where that had happened and it was a real event. That was why I was exploring Lake Vaughn and then I stumbled across all of those sites that were being found and realized by studying them and finding a direct genealogy connection through ancient Armenian genealogy that the whole thing was real. It's just a lot older than we're told.

• 57:49Danny Jones?

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• 59:16Speaker 01

  Uh, the ones with the symbols are 30, but there are other parts of that. Those temples and structures that are up to 75 feet deep. It's over like a big area.

• 59:25Danny Jones?

  So when do you think that those temples and those structures under that water were built?

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Well, that's the million dollar question. And so when I was investigating and we dove down and we were looking at them, I came across a really interesting anomaly that is a big part of the documentary in the book. I realized that in order to have a lake rise, it'd be more like a hundred feet. Because if you're, if you're a civilization, you're building on the edge. You're not going to build where the water's lapping up against it. You would never do that. You would have to have enough distance between you and the lake that you weren't worried about it flooding over or whatever. So how far is that? Well, if the ruins are up to 75 feet deep, it would have had to have meant that the lake was at least a hundred feet lower. A hundred feet. That's an, it's an huge variability of a water body.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  You know, so when I was digging into that, looking at things like seasonal rainfall patterns and things like that, nothing could explain it.

• 1:00:18Danny Jones?

  What, what is the deepest part of that lake?

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  That lake is mysterious. And so officially, it's 1,500 feet deep. But fishermen, fishermen that have depth soundings that go out there, claim it's far deeper than that. They claim it's over 3,000 feet deep. It's actually one of the deepest lakes in the world. It's an ancient lake.

• 1:00:36Danny Jones?

  The deepest part of the ocean is 5,000 feet? This is 3,000 feet?

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  This, they have instruments on their boats and I've confirmed this with like the, um, the national.

• 1:00:49Danny Jones?

  Ask, ask AI, Steve.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  No, they're going to say 1,500.

• 1:00:52Danny Jones?

  Let's see what the AI says.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  There's, they're going to say 1,500.

• 1:00:55Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  But here's the thing though, underneath Lake Vaughn, there are active fault lines. It's a very unusual lake that has faults underneath it. It's a very volcanic, very fault prone area. And the theory is that the area that is that depth is only, is like a smaller area and they've missed it.

• 1:01:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Because I've talked to numerous fishermen that go out with depth soundings that go a max of a thousand meters. They max out. They can't go any deeper and they're claiming that they're maxing out in that lake, making it one of the deepest lakes in the world. And it's, it's also one of the oldest lakes in the world. And they.

• 1:01:35Danny Jones?

  Thousand meters is how many feet?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  3,000 feet.

• 1:01:37Danny Jones?

  3,000 feet?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Roughly. So it's very mysterious. It's a very ancient, very old lake and they um.

• 1:01:44Danny Jones?

  Still fifteen hundred feet is deep for a lake.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Oh, it's wicked. It's very.

• 1:01:48Danny Jones?

  That's that's probably the deepest lake on earth, right?

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  No, Lake Baikal is the deepest lake on earth.

• 1:01:52Danny Jones?

  Oh, how deep's that one?

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Um, I got to pull up the stats on that. I think.

• 1:01:55Danny Jones?

  Where is it?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  In Russia, so Siberia.

• 1:01:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, Siberia. Okay, yeah, I've heard of that one. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, that one's the deepest. Yeah, I'm not to. Yeah, five thousand. There it is.

• 1:02:05Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  So Baikal is the deepest in the world. Yeah.

• 1:02:07Danny Jones?

  Google, what is the deepest? What what is the?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Mariana Trench.

• 1:02:11Danny Jones?

  How deep is the? How deep is the Mariana's trench?

• 1:02:14Speaker 01

  I think it's twenty thousand feet deep or something. Look it up.

• 1:02:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's right. I'm thinking of, okay, I'm thinking in, I'm thinking in the wrong, uh, the law, the wrong measurements. Yeah, okay.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Okay, so there you go. You're deeper. So that's.

• 1:02:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, sorry. Mariana Trench is like seven miles.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Because that's what they joke that they can put up Mount Everest in the Mariana Trench.

• 1:02:32Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  You can like put it in there.

• 1:02:33Danny Jones?

  That's crazy, bro.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I know. It's like another world down there. So.

• 1:02:38Danny Jones?

  It really is.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:02:39Danny Jones?

  Less explored than the moon or Mars.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  And and.

• 1:02:41Danny Jones?

  We we've explored more of the surface of Mars than our own oceans.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  And it's and our earth is over seventy percent water.

• 1:02:47Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Like ocean.

• 1:02:48Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Which is wild that most of the earth is actually unexplored.

• 1:02:51Danny Jones?

  Dude, I had this NASA physicist on here a couple of day, a couple of weeks ago, a couple of months ago. And he was explaining how the variation in atmospheres diff uh, change across plants in our solar system. He was saying that the surface of Venus, he was like atmospheres are so crazy and all over the place and impossible to manage. He's like, he's the average temperature on the surface of Venus is like,

• 1:03:16Danny Jones?

  what was it? Eight hundred degrees? Between eight hundred and a thousand degrees, depending on the weather and and it changes every day, just like the weather here changes every day, right?

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Danny Jones?

  He's like atmospheres are are like impossible to manage. If you're if you're um, a civilization that's hopping from planet to planet and you have that ability, he's like.

• 1:03:36Danny Jones?

  It would be so difficult to go from an atmosphere like Earth, or the atmosphere like Mars, which is negative 100 degrees, to an atmosphere like Venus, which is plus 800 degrees. You have a thousand degrees variation in the temperature. You have pressure, the pressure on the surface of Venus is the same pressure as being at the bottom of Marianas Trench.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  It's like hell.

• 1:03:58Danny Jones?

  It's like hell. And he was actually saying the coldest, there was like a cold day on Venus, which was like maybe 600 degrees. And there was bismuth and magnesium snow on the tops of the mountains.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  So wild.

• 1:04:12Danny Jones?

  And there was, he was like, that's what a cold day in hell looks like, on the surface of Venus. So he's like, if you're, if you're a civilization that can travel from planet to planet, he goes, "You can't deal with the variations, with a thousand degree variation, different, a pressure of being seven miles under the, like, like, the pressure's insane, the temperature's insane, you have comets, you have volcanoes, it's, it's completely unmanageable. But if you can find planets that have liquid water on them, liquid water can only exist between 33 degrees and 212 degrees Fahrenheit, and you can go down one atmosphere, 33, uh, 33 feet, two atmospheres, you can go down to the depth that matches the pressure that you're used to.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:56Danny Jones?

  And the temperature variation is only less than 200 degrees. So it's perfect if you can find liquid water.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  I think the takeaway there is that the Earth is a very special place.

• 1:05:05Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  And there's a whole nother discussion that gets along with how rare and variable our actual combination of Earth, Sun, and Moon is. So that's a whole nother conversation.

• 1:05:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Um, very weird, the Moon is so strange.

• 1:05:19Danny Jones?

  Perfect terraforming device.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole, that whole thing is interesting. Actually, it's interesting that the tablets, even like the numilish, talk about like the formation of our solar system and things. So, yeah, really, really interesting how we could be talking about beings that were here during the formation of our solar system. That's pretty wild to even consider.

• 1:05:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, there's a, there's a, there's a huge rabbit hole we could go down with this topic. Have you heard of, uh, have you heard of the, um, there was an element? I think it was an element, it was xenon, xenon 222 or something like this, that was found on Earth, where this element...

• 1:06:03Danny Jones?

  Uh, can only exist if you have like, I don't know, a hundred thermonuclear bombs exploding, right? It can, uh, find out what this one is. This is when the George Johnny told us, but there's a specific element that we found on Earth that was like, um, it came was because it was like in the middle of like an atomic bomb testing site or something like that. And, um, it's, I guess it doesn't exist anywhere in the solar system and they found it on Mars.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Well, that just shows you the kind of environment that was needed to create that and how, what kind of disaster could have led to that creation based on what we see now on the planet?

• 1:06:41Danny Jones?

  Well, we have the remote viewer, uh, those remote viewers during the Cold War who were asked to remote view Mars and people who have talked about it, like Joe McMonigal was one of the guys, one of the, um, Stargate people who was tasked to remote view Mars. And he explained, seeing a civilization there of like tall, white Nordic beings who were trying to escape. And they were explaining that the, there was a catastrophe there, it looked like everything, there was, there was giant megalithic structures that didn't look like anything he'd ever seen other than megalithic structures on Earth. Um, Xenon 129.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I know, I know about that. John Brammer, um, yeah, he was talking about how it's like a signature of a-

• 1:07:23Danny Jones?

  Of a nuclear reaction.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Well, but not just a nuclear reaction. Corona mass ejections with charged particles that are really radioactive can also can, if it's an intense enough event, can give a similar, uh, give a similar type of reaction that nuclear weapon does.

• 1:07:40Danny Jones?

  Yes. So Steve, ask, ask ChatGPT, where have we found Xenon 129? So, um, and Joe McMonigal was saying, so there was not only these like ancient megalithic looking structures there. And again, he's, this is a recount of a remote viewing. So take it with, with a grain of salt, what it's worth. Um, he said that they were trying to escape because there were some sort of, and this was a million years ago. So he was asked to remote view Mars over a million years ago, right? So he's saying that these tall, white Nordic looking structures are being- They were look like humans, but they were just tall. They look like Olympic swimmers, right? And they were trying to escape the planet because it was there was a pending a catastrophe coming. They couldn't figure out how to get off the planet. They needed to. They had explorers that had gone out

• 1:08:25Danny Jones?

  to try to find another place for them to live, try to explore neighboring planets, but they said they found one, but it was it was too unstable. The atmosphere was too unstable. There was volcanoes, maybe dinosaurs, whatever it was. And they didn't have an answer yet to like if they could actually go there. And there's been theories that have been tested that maybe that was the reason for the moon. If we could have put a moon there to stabilize the temperature, the atmosphere, the tides, all that stuff on earth. Maybe they could have used that as a terraforming device to jump from Mars to Earth.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  I think that there certainly is.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  And I'm not someone who's gonna jump on really talking a lot about necessarily like that the extraterrestrial influence type of concept, but I will tell you if there's anything that suggests outside intervention, it's the moon. It's the weirdest thing in the world. Like we have, we have, we know of no other satellite to a planet ratio like the moon. The what its composition is, the way it, the way that it balances life here and the size ratio for the earth and the sun, it's an impossibility.

• 1:09:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's one four hundredth the size and it's one four hundredth the distance, perfect to create an eclipse.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  And we're told that the moon is just an accreted object that randomly formed that perfect shape that happens to be one four hundredth, right? To be that perfect representation of the size to give create eclipse. It's it's impossible that that could be random. It's impossible. There's no way that that the all those impossibilities could come together in one thing unless something wanted to create a perfect system here. That's what it seems like our solar system is some kind of a, an experiment in creating a perfect system with ratios and to foster something here. And I think the more that I've studied, especially looking at tablets is that that may have been all done for a lot of it, at least may have been done for us

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  because of how important our story is and how we actually have a far more profound connection to higher, higher things than we know.

• 1:10:33Danny Jones?

  There's a, there's a guy who I think his name was, fact check me here, Steve, the guy named Carl Wolf. Who?

• 1:10:41Danny Jones?

  Found images of he was working, he was working in the space program and he was developing photographs. And he went into this um

• 1:10:53Danny Jones?

  secure location where they were actually like developing photographs of the dark side of the moon or whatever. And this guy saw it and he described vividly that there was megalithic structures that were on the dark side of the moon.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've definitely heard that.

• 1:11:09Danny Jones?

  And like, I think, I think he was killed.

• 1:11:15Danny Jones?

  He would, he died mysteriously. Uh, he claimed he saw, okay, NASA photos of alien structures, quote unquote, alien structures. Um, he died in a bike accident. So go, go down to the top, uh, paragraph, see exactly what it says. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh, former US Air Force photo, he was a photo technician. Who claimed he saw the secret NASA photos of the structures on the, on the surface of the moon. So, um, I don't think he actually said whether he believed they were alien or not. What he said was they were megalithic looking structures on the dark side of the moon.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so there's a couple of really weird things and I guess Reynolds really good in moon stuff, but I'll mention a couple of things. Um, one, when they did studies of the, there was a whole Russian team and I don't remember if it was a seventies or eighties, but a Russian team did a study on craters in the moon. Have you heard this?

• 1:12:03Danny Jones?

  Uh, what, how they're the all the same depth?

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then none of them, no matter how large the radius of the crater is, none of them exceed a certain depth.

• 1:12:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Which is so weird because the depth should be directly determined based on the size of the impact, right? So something's larger that creates a larger impact crater should go deeper into it.

• 1:12:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  And yet none of them do. They never, they never go past a certain depth anywhere on the planet. They never do. And the weirdest thing is when, after the Apollo missions, when they sent a probe to crash into the moon. I'm sure you know about this. It rang like a bell for like, for like, yeah, for hours. It just rang, which shows, which tells us that it's

• 1:12:40Danny Jones?

  Here's an interesting

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Composed of metallics in his hollow? Like, is that?

• 1:12:43Danny Jones?

  Steve, ask ChatGPT, what is the size of the moon compared to the earth? And then Google, and then ask ChatGPT, what is the mass of the moon compared to the earth? And the variation is crazy.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like, it's like light. It's a, it's really, really light.

• 1:12:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, it, it

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  But it's also the strongest thing ever at the same time.

• 1:13:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  So it's really weird.

• 1:13:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So, okay, oh, we didn't ask for all this. Come on, ChatGPT.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  But basically, it doesn't have any of the density of Earth. That's the thing that's so weird about it.

• 1:13:12Danny Jones?

  Okay, the moon is about a quarter the diameter of Earth.

• 1:13:17Danny Jones?

  Uh, what is the mass? What is the, what is the, um?

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Mass compared to Earth.

• 1:13:21Danny Jones?

  The mass difference of the Earth compared to the moon.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, that was cool.

• 1:13:34Danny Jones?

  The Earth is about eighty-one times the mass. So, the moon's mass is roughly one point two three percent.

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  And yet, and yet, it's a quarter the size.

• 1:13:44Danny Jones?

  A quarter the size. That means it's hollow.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's likely hollow and the, the theory is, and I mean, again, if you're gonna try to figure something out, you gotta go back to the old Sherlock Holmes thing, right? And it's important, it still rings true to this day.

• 1:13:57Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  If you're trying to figure something out, you use that old method, right? Whatever, whenever you're trying to explore something, you explore all possibilities, and whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. That holds true for anything. So, we eliminate everything, right? Let's eliminate all the things that aren't there. It has a certain depth, the craters can't go past a certain depth. It rings, it's lighter, so what does that mean? What's all that's left? Well, it's not natural. It has some kind of a, a, a shield, like some kind of a metallic or something underneath the, the, the ground. Something to prevent anything from going deeper, and if it's a metallic-like object, it somehow is hollow, too.

• 1:14:37Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Like, that's the only thing that makes sense, if we, if we analyze and look at it.

• 1:14:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  And the fact that life wouldn't be possible on Earth without it.

• 1:14:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  Is really interesting, like, has to be that exact ratio. What was it, um, that if it was even five percent in a different location? Like, if it was five percent further away, or five percent closer, like, none of this would work?

• 1:14:56Danny Jones?

  Well, the, the, um, the distance between the Earth and the moon is changing. So I think, what did Kevin Conuth explain to us? He, I think he explained to us that the distance, the, the, the moon every year gets a couple of feet farther away from the earth. Is that right? And has it been constantly doing that? Or does it, I think it may, maybe it resets every couple of thousand years or something like this?

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Well, it's tidal locked, so it's, it's, it's stuck to our, obviously our, our gravity. So it can't go anywhere. Uh, but it is so weird. It's so interesting to, to consider whether or not something was created a long time ago to let a certain kind of story unfold.

• 1:15:37Danny Jones?

  I mean, it's a miracle. The moon is a miracle.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  It's an impossibility.

• 1:15:41Danny Jones?

  Right. It's a, I like the moon be, the idea that the moon just randomly ended up being that distance from the, from the earth to be that difference, that distance to the sun and being able to perfectly stabilize and terraform this earth to make it livable is as believable as, as Jesus Christ. I mean, it's enough to make anyone become a Christian.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  If anything, I would, I would challenge anyone who's smart and academic to try to go look at that evidence to try to disprove that.

• 1:16:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Like, but what the moon is because it doesn't make sense.

• 1:16:16Danny Jones?

  So this says that the, the moon moves away from the earth at a rate of about 3.78 centimeters or 1.5 inches per year. Um, zoom, can you zoom out a little bit, Steve? So, so, uh, so it says the moon's gravity creates tidal bulges in the earth's oceans. Because the earth rotates faster than the moons, uh, than the moon orbits. These bulges are pulled slightly ahead of the moon. The moon's gravity then pulls back on these bulges and in turn the bulges pull forward on the moon, pushing it into a slightly wider orbit. Interesting, but does it say that, um, so it just, so it goes back and forth? Is that what it's, is that what it's saying?

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't actually, because it would just leave if that was the case.

• 1:16:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  It probably just wobbles, wobbles back and forth.

• 1:17:01Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's really interesting. I mean, that's.

• 1:17:04Danny Jones?

  It's also crazy that it's fucking so, it's, it's 234,000 miles away.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Danny Jones?

  Like. That's just absurd how far away it is. You know, but it doesn't seem that far away.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Because it's and yet it still plays such an integral

• 1:17:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  in our, in our planet with life.

• 1:17:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  It's just weird.

• 1:17:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  I mean, someday, hopefully, we'll know more answers on that. For me, I like to typically think, look, there's a lot to figure out still in space. We have a lot to still figure out here. Right? Especially with our story and who we are. So a lot of people are racing to try to escape. I'm more like, I think that what we need is that we most need to grow is here, not out there. Like, for instance, we are very primitive in our understanding of consciousness and higher levels of energy and spirituality and like a deep way like they were. We, we were like children when it comes to that. I think that we shouldn't be blinded by the, the fun technologies that are put in front of us and ignore what may be a more important area to understand and go into.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  You know, rather than moving forward at the speed we are and thinking that there aren't consequences, I think we need to remember that we can learn a lot more about who we are and about where we should be going in the future, in the past than necessarily in the future.

• 1:18:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Like, they could teach us a lot more than we understand, a lot more. And I think that's actually the biggest piece here is that if we study this civilization, this global civilization that left all these clues for us, all this knowledge, I think it is the ultimate way we find what we were looking for all along, not out there, here.

• 1:18:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I agree with you. I think, um, they were on a different trajectory than we are on now, obviously.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Very different.

• 1:18:53Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  They were very earth-based technologies. So their technologies seem to be based more on manipulating elements, alchemy, understanding things like resonance fields and cymatics and like things that we are just starting to. We still think are kind of fantasy a little bit and we're looking at in a weird way. Like it's an example, I think it's funny where I see it, I see the memes a lot. I think it's hilarious where people say they're like, oh, like we know all about radio waves and microwaves and all of that stuff and yet consciousness is still like not a real concept for them.

• 1:19:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  So you can't measure something and it's non-localized. It's something that so like you can't measure love either, right? I'm sure you felt love in your life or whatever for family or animals or people. How do you measure love?

• 1:19:38Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  How do you measure it's real? There's a lot of things that we can't measure, but they're still really important towards understanding things that we shouldn't, I think, almost like disregard because they're not super tangible. Like for instance, if we look at ancient mysticism and esoteric traditions of going into deep meditative states and having out of body experiences and lighting up your chakras through your spinal cord like we see with the kaddusha symbol, like all this ancient, like almost like magic that we seem to laugh at and nothing is real in most cases and yet it may be the answers to all like everything.

• 1:20:15Danny Jones?

  Why do we laugh at it though? Like why has it become such a weird, a weird stigmatized thing that society, normie society likes to paint as like kooky?

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Because we've been conditioned that way. So our entire life and our generations before us are based on civilization emerging of an industrial age. It's basically on industrial machines and technologies that completely disconnect us from the earth. They don't bring us closer together to the universe and the earth. They disconnect us. So our entire civilization is building itself on the principles of just acquire more, grow, accumulate all the resources you can and just be like, I don't know, like a, some kind of a conquering monster here rather than realizing that.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  The depth of what we really are and what we can become, they seem to have mastered. And they were able to do things that we have no idea about today.

• 1:21:14Danny Jones?

  Maybe that's why they got wiped out. They were becoming too, they were getting too close to the gods. They were becoming too much like the gods.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  And I would, I would say like, what is a more tech, what's a more advanced culture? Us or them? I don't know how, I don't know if I could answer that because it depends on what you want to call advanced. It depends on what you want to call, like if you want to call something superior to something, to something else. I would argue that a lot of the things that we have now are detrimental towards our understanding of something greater. Because we choose to hide from it. We choose to ignore it because I think that it's scary. And it's something that is unknown to the world that they, they don't even believe it's real. Like people don't believe that, like if you were to say magic and talk about magic. People are like, oh, you're talking about like sleight of hand magic with cards and stuff? No.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Like ancient esoteric mysticism magic. Like, but they're gonna laugh at that. People will like smear and make faces and you're like, so you start to look into what these.

• 1:22:14Danny Jones?

  Magic was synonymous with religion in antiquity.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  They were.

• 1:22:17Danny Jones?

  Jesus was doing magic.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:19Danny Jones?

  Music and drugs.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  They were magic.

• 1:22:21Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  That's the whole point is.

• 1:22:22Danny Jones?

  So the Eleusinian mysteries was.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Exactly. So the real question we need to ask is, how much have we lost? How much have we forgotten who we really are? And how much do the things we have actually disconnect us from what matters the most? And I mean, I, and I mean that, like if you, if you never ever go out into nature, you don't meditate. You don't ground yourself with any of it, you're always going to be disconnected. You'll never be connected to it because the core of it, the first thing you must do. It's in every ancient tradition throughout Vedic traditions and throughout Gnostic traditions is the importance of having an understanding of the all, having an understanding of the universe, earth, like our roles within that. What consciousness is, what energy is. Energy can't be created or destroyed. It only changes state. So then why do we think we die?

• 1:23:10Speaker 01

  Do we really die?

• 1:23:11Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Or does our our spirit, our consciousness, live forever, eternally? Every civilization from this time period was obsessed with the afterworld, the afterlife and the underworld. They were obsessed with it. The Egyptians used to try to map out. If if someone died, they would try to map out their path of their souls and try to have them reincarnate again.

• 1:23:32Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, ancient cultures were obsessed with the idea of dying and rising gods. And it's it's repeated throughout history, going back thousands of years before Jesus Christ.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  And yet we're we're conditioned into that the brain creates consciousness and we die and we and then that's it. We just go in and like we never exist again. And so it creates this perpetual system of fear throughout everything and like traps people. Like it it chains them in this ideology that prevents them from seeing the higher truths of what they really are. And that's why I think the entire purpose why this entire chapter of human civilization, this lost civilization, why it's been so pushed pushed at or prevented from becoming known and suppressed in many cases. It's because if it became true, like known about them, we would fundamentally shift everything we think about who we are, everything.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Like this whole world of what we created would somewhat crumble, I think.

• 1:24:32Danny Jones?

  Do you think there's knowledge that is being hidden about these people? That somebody somebody like a group of people have that is just they're they're keeping it from the world?

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  What we see.

• 1:24:44Danny Jones?

  Are you think that's what Zahi Hawass is doing?

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  It's not Zahi. He's just he's just a gatekeeper for something higher.

• 1:24:49Danny Jones?

  Right. He just seems like a a guy who's touting himself for money and and political power and.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  What we saw happen all the way back to ancient Babylon and then throughout the Roman time period was this idea of controlling thoughts, controlling people's thoughts and how they view things. And it was done so as a means of control.

• 1:25:08Danny Jones?

  Even now?

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's still being done, but back then it was even being done on another level. I think because the world we lived in, like we've seen the whole idea, like the whole Roman games thing, right? Rome was in a state of collapse and people were super unhappy. So what they did is they created games to entertain them and distract them from the greater problems of the empire. You know, like much like we sometimes do today. Mm hmm. And it causes people to not care about. Right. Um, about asking important questions because they're just being entertained and then. And then that entertainment usually comes along with like a conditioning of violence. Right. So those things are are being used were used as a tool. Yeah. And so what happened was. Secret societies used to be exist all throughout history were very important.

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  The role of secret societies was to bridge the gap of older traditions and knowledge and carry them forward. Because they realized that a lot of this knowledge was just not something that. The average person they really would understand or get. And so it wasn't always about a necessarily like a hiding. It was originally more about what they call like the. Um, like someone who's like an adept, someone who is um, already that kind of mindset. And so they bring them in and they would teach them and they would bring them in. They're called mystery schools. Okay, go back all the way throughout history, these ancient mystery schools. And they were, it was recognized very early on that the average peasant or person that lives.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  And lives their life like they wouldn't understand and it was, they considered it something where. It ended up having to be kept within certain fractals of society. And that was not done intentionally as a way to hide knowledge from everybody, but eventually it was. So eventually those secret societies that were maintaining, protecting that knowledge. They ended up becoming really very corrupted over and they used that used that knowledge as a form of control. As saying like we have, we have a deep understanding of the psychology of humans and the nature of them. And the nature of who we really are. And so that knowledge at first that was.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Um, being guarded within certain groups then became hidden. And then the average person like couldn't even get access to it at all, even people that wanted to know. Right. It was only in these upper echelons. And so what happened is too, too much power ended up in certain groups. And then the very secret societies that were supposed to be the ones protecting ancient knowledge and being. Those. Keepers of knowledge ended up being the gatekeepers of everything.

• 1:27:43Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  They flipped it. They ended up becoming the ones that were controlling. And their viewpoints often, and it's funny how you can get little glimpses of it during interviews and different things, is they often say that humanity is basically like sheep and they're not ready for understanding like the greater truths of everything. So they do it as a means of protecting them.

• 1:28:03Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Which I think is bullshit.

• 1:28:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:05Speaker 01

  I think the whole, that whole idea of keeping us in

• 1:28:09Danny Jones?

  Parent-child relationship.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Lower form of consciousness, simply because they're protecting us. What really is the truth is that it's a system of, of, of creating control and keeping people in like an industrial type of mentality for working and not asking questions, which is why the Rockefeller education system in the United States that was developed by Rockefeller was developed during, during World War II. Because it was developed as a curriculum that would create a worker just educated enough to do regular tasks, but not educated enough to the, to like a high level to ask questions and to go, to go into a deeper place. It's very, very cleverly designed, the Rockefeller education system, so that people

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  are literally created into a mindset that blocks all of these things that we're talking about out. Even the idea, I'll give you an example, just a simple one, is the idea that if something is old, it has to be primitive. That is ingrained in people, ingrained. So the, to the point where if I show someone ionis, I'm like, look at this anisite stonework, it's spectacular. They're like, that looks like it was just built. That's their mentality is that instead of thinking that anything old is primitive, how about it's not linear at all, is that most of the, all of the advanced stonework and the amazing stuff is actually the oldest? And that the primitive looking adobe and stuff came from way later because we were reset. We lost everything, we forgot, and we had to go back to

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  starting fires and hunter gathering again. And then when we rose back up again, we had no idea how to do any of the things that they did. No idea. And so that's where the confusion came in over other cultures building on top of much more older um, structures and then getting, getting credit for building them.

• 1:29:56Danny Jones?

  I wanna um, I wanna touch back on that Rockefeller point you made. Is that when the schools, the modern day um, school system was first developed?

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  It was the education system in the United States. So, let me give you an example. If you, if, if, if Danny Jones, you're like, okay, I wanna be a teacher. The hell with this podcast thing, I'm done, right? I wanna go teach, uh, I don't know, English, right? Actually, that's not a good example. Let's say you wanted to teach history.

• 1:30:24Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  That's better.

• 1:30:25Danny Jones?

  Perfect.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  So you go in and you're like, boy, I am gonna shake things up. You guys, you better look out, right? The hell with that whole Rockefeller education system. I'm gonna be talking about-

• 1:30:37Danny Jones?

  Anunnaki.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  We're gonna talk about Anunnaki. I'm gonna talk about, you know, ancient lost civilizations and like what they were building and creating, blah, blah, blah. You will be out of a job within a week. Gone. You will be fired.

• 1:30:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  Why? Because if a teacher is gonna become a teacher, they have a very set education curriculum you have to maintain. You have to.

• 1:30:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  So if you, you get like a big book and you're like, oh, memorize this whole thing and that's what you're gonna teach. They can't teach about anything that's outside of the curriculum, or they're literally in trouble. It's, that's what we're talking about.

• 1:31:08Danny Jones?

  And what is the, what is the reason for that?

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  To keep us in an indoctrinated mindset in which we perceive reality in a completely artificial way. That is not at all what it really is. That's the whole idea behind like the Truman Show and the Matrix and all that stuff. That's what it comes down to is that it's a conditioned world in which we've been forced into a materialistic world that's disconnected us from all the things that really matter the most.

• 1:31:35Danny Jones?

  Steve, remember we pulled up a stat the other day about uh, about school books? And college books, like the typical books that you get in school that you hand out to all the students?

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:45Danny Jones?

  That industry is like a multi-multi-billion dollar industry.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Because they own the whole thing. They can't, nobody else can.

• 1:31:53Danny Jones?

  All they, all they have to do is just reprint the same books forever. And now, now that uh, schools are starting to transition to iPads and computers, they're actually, the, their revenue is starting to fall off now.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  I bet. But that's what we're talking about is a long time. And so every generation gets taught a version of reality, everything. Who we are, what, what consciousness is, what our history was, right? What, who, who were we? And then everything is then based on that level of conditioning. And then what happens? Well, they have kids. Then they teach their kids that, then their kids go to school. So I remember when I got out of college and I went down the rabbit hole that I did, I was like, I, I couldn't believe it. I felt like I had never been taught anything. Like most of it was bullshit. At least a lot of it. A lot of it was, was in a certain kind of um, viewpoint that was really hiding everything that really mattered the most to me.

• 1:32:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  Learning really began for me like after college.

• 1:32:52Danny Jones?

  Homeschool is starting to become more in vogue lately.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Yes, it is.

• 1:32:55Danny Jones?

  A lot of people I know.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  And they, and guess what?

• 1:32:57Danny Jones?

  Homeschooling.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  They don't have to follow the curriculum necessarily. Homeschooling has the option where as long as you follow certain criteria of grading and meeting certain requirements.

• 1:33:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  You can be a lot more flexible when it comes to that.

• 1:33:11Danny Jones?

  Yes. Yeah. There, there's certain guardrails they have to stay inside. It's like to, to stay like accredited or whatever you want to call that. But like, what does that even mean nowadays? Like,

• 1:33:23Danny Jones?

  you don't, you don't, you don't need, like, when you go to hire, most companies nowadays that are like hiring people to do high level jobs, unless it's like a doctor or a lawyer, they don't really like, I don't feel like education is that important anymore.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  In fact, I would say it can often be the opposite. Let me, let me tell you what I mean by that. I'm working with a lot of archaeologists around the world and I will show things to them they've never seen before. They've never even, like, I've never even seen that before or even considered that. And when I talk to them about the theories and the evidence and what we're looking at, a lot of them, it's like, uh, it's like a deer in the headlights. Because when you go through a, an education system to get a degree, you're just regurgitating a very specific.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Core pieces of information that you're being given. So if you want to have an archaeology degree, you're just getting good grades and you're testing and you're and you're writing about what's already been established and you can't, you can't challenge that narrative. You will be laughed out. If someone has an archaeological degree, they can often be, have more of a conditioned controlled mindset than someone like me who doesn't.

• 1:34:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  Because I'm not bound by anything.

• 1:34:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  I'm bound by the, by the objective study and search for truth and like going off of science. But I don't have this predetermined thing that's telling me that has to fit into something.

• 1:34:52Danny Jones?

  Right. You don't think about tenure or all those kinds of things.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm just like, okay, what is the evidence? Well, it's pointing towards this. I'm going to follow it.

• 1:34:58Danny Jones?

  Hmm, right.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  And that's dangerous. I'm, I'm very dangerous because I bring in to merge that academic world with the alternative world. And I bring the receipts and I bring the evidence and it's saying, look, we have huge holes that do not make any sense on a wide variety of areas all around this in the world. And I like what Graham Hancock says about it being a foundation of sand. They, they, our history is, has been built on a foundation of sand. It will just wash away because it has no structure, has no foundation. Once that, oh, once this all opens up and we'll understand this lost chapter, it will open up every door that we've ever, we've ever wanted. Because they seem to have mastered all the things that matter most.

• 1:35:47Danny Jones?

  Like?

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  Like understanding the nature of source and creation, understanding the blueprint of everything in the universe, understanding those celestial forces that maintain that, understanding our role and who we are in that. Understanding how we were created and what the gifts that we have that are like them. And how we've largely been kept in a place of controlling our consciousness and controlling that inevitable truth of understanding because the nature of reality is two things. One, it's cyclical, meaning it's never permanent, it's always changing. And two, and always returning where it's cyclical, like starting somewhere and then ending up where it began. And then two, duality and polarity are fundamental constants in the universe. Meaning that.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  If there is light, there is dark. If there is good, there is evil. And those roles are being fundamentally played. Very much so. To the point where, when we try to understand how our world became so dark. And so war-driven and so controlled. We simply need to understand that. It was an inevitable plan, I believe, as part of an understanding of. If you, you ever heard of that, that term? With great, with great power comes great responsibility, right? You see in all the Marvel movies. Do you really think that Danny Jones should have? Great powers and be able to do great things if he doesn't know how to, doesn't know how to appreciate it and uses it poorly? Or doesn't have like a deep understanding of it? Do you deserve to have those things?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  I don't know. No, you don't. Because you're not going to use them the right way. It looks to the entire, when you read all the tablets and you start getting into understanding who the Anuna are. And how they talk about them being the ordainors of destinies and how they're like chained to our reality and, and ancient Gnosticism. Through the Nakamati, they're called Archons. Like the controllers of our reality. And how they're described as ordaining the entire destiny of us. And every event and everything that happens is actually part of like a great story. Right. And that the whole purpose is to allow us to be tested, to see what path we ultimately take. Whether or not we're tempted with great technology and great power, whether or not we actually.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  Follow and take the right steps necessary to be able to understand something greater and deeper. I'm not interested in a bunch of fun little tech. I'm interested in understanding how an ancient civilization could have used their voice to move stones. That's what I'm interested in. How do they move a thousand-ton megaliths? We're not asking the right questions. We need to start understanding that this entire. Civilization that we're exploring, that left all of this knowledge there for us. We're just ignoring and we're not paying attention to it. Whereas it may have the answers to everything. That we're really asking, like the most important questions of all. Who are we? What is our role here? What are we supposed to be doing?

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Um, other questions like, what powers do we have? What have we forgotten? Who are we, who are we supposed to be? Yeah. Like the most important questions of all, they seem to have mastered all of them.

• 1:38:57Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  And that all esoteric traditions, all teachings, whether it's Vedic teachings or teachings from Gnosticism or or Hermetic teachings or the Popovu and the ancient Mayan teachings or Egyptian teachings or Mesopotamian teachings or Tibetan teachings.

• 1:39:14Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Chinese teachings, Lao Tzu, they're all the same thing. They're all a giant collection of understandings of how we as powerful beings can follow a certain archetype and unlock a doorway.

• 1:39:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  Unlock a doorway that takes us somewhere that technology does not take us.

• 1:39:33Danny Jones?

  Well, human beings certainly have abilities.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, we do, for sure.

• 1:39:38Danny Jones?

  That most people aren't aware of.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 1:39:42Danny Jones?

  Right? I think one of the best evidences for that is like things like the Stargate program that the military was spending lots of money on to get people to do things like remote view, astral projection. Um, there's this guy, uh,

• 1:40:01Danny Jones?

  what's his name? The Jewish physicist who wrote about the, um,

• 1:40:09Danny Jones?

  what are those papers called? The declassified CIA papers where they talk about consciousness.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:14Danny Jones?

  And astral projection.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  Um, that's not the not the Adam story, is it? You're talking about a different one?

• 1:40:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, not the I'm an Eve story. Yeah, it's a different one. Um, god damn it, why am I blanking on this?

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  Are you talking about gateway experience?

• 1:40:25Danny Jones?

  The gateway, the gateway experience, yes. Thank you, Steve.

• 1:40:31Danny Jones?

  There's clearly been an a correlation with the rise in technology and the atrophy of the psy- psychic mind.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:40:45Danny Jones?

  The atrophy of psychic abilities.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:40:47Danny Jones?

  Right? So, so it seems like the rise in the the technical analytical mind has.

• 1:40:55Danny Jones?

  Correlated with the atrophy of the psychic mind.

• 1:40:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:40:58Danny Jones?

  And I think that even like, if you want to use the most extreme example of human beings before we had the written word, or before we had the technology to offload our memories onto other devices. Now we have phones, but back then we had

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Tablets.

• 1:41:16Danny Jones?

  Tablets, things like this, like we probably had some extraordinary abilities that are inherent in us, that are ancient, that have just been non-existent since we've been in this industrial technological world.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  Longer than that too.

• 1:41:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:35Speaker 01

  Even longer than that.

• 1:41:36Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:41:36Speaker 01

  No, I a hundred percent agree. That's the new, that's the new future.

• 1:41:41Danny Jones?

  And that's why people like, like, have you ever gone into like the Amazon rainforest or a place that's completely uninhabited, way far away from civilization? And like, had that experience of like,

• 1:41:55Danny Jones?

  deep senses, sort of like waking up in you and like

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:41:57Danny Jones?

  hearing the birds, the insects.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  That's what I was trying to explain when I was talking about how we've been, we've been disconnected from what matters the most.

• 1:42:04Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  The earth and grounding is one of the essential components that every mysticism teaching encapsulates and says basically, there are these tenants that we must follow if we want to reach those higher levels. And if we don't, if we try to skip them, we won't. Well, we'll be shut down and prevented. And again, that whole conversation of who's preventing us is another whole thing we can talk about. But the point is that if you decide to see through the illusion, you can end up becoming something far greater.

• 1:42:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  And that is, as when I was studying that civilization, all, you know, as many esoteric teachings and mysticism as I could, I didn't just study them. Right. There's a, there's a, you know, the difference between having knowledge and wisdom. Right. You know, the difference between the two?

• 1:42:51Danny Jones?

  What is it?

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• 1:43:52Speaker 01

  Knowledge means you're aware of something. Oh, great. Wow, I know all about chakras and stuff, right? And meditating. And you asked me, have you ever meditated? I'm like, no, no, no. That's the difference between wisdom.

• 1:44:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:02Speaker 01

  Wisdom is applied knowledge into your life.

• 1:44:04Danny Jones?

  Experience, yeah.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I went down that journey and had profound, like, I can't even explain them. Like, there were experiences so profound and incredible that they...

• 1:44:15Danny Jones?

  You can't put them into words.

• 1:44:16Speaker 01

  No, they were, they were like something that like people wouldn't even believe you.

• 1:44:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:20Speaker 01

  And I, so I experienced those things firsthand. And so I know what they're trying to help us with. What they're trying to help us understand is that, like you said, the things that matter the most, we have forgotten. And we are not really practicing or understanding. Like, if you're just, if you're being bombarded by all kinds of sensors and wireless signals and noise and all these things, it's actually really affecting you.

• 1:44:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  That's why when you go into nature, you go into nature and you're among that and you can meditate and connect, you unlock something because what you do is you ground. So the first thing is you ground to the earth. And that's important. The earth is a giant crystal, okay? The earth is mostly silica-based. So it's a giant crystal that is very powerful. And we, one of the essential components, for anyone that's listening to this, like, the first thing you want to do, if you want to go down that road, you need to spend time in nature. That's the first thing. And then understand how to quiet your mind. Understand how to be, you have to be healthy. There's, there's a whole list of things here, right? You have to, you have to drink only spring water. No more tap water. Only distilled and spring water. That's it. You can't drink anything that's got chlor- fluoride in it or anything.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  You have to eat healthy, as healthy as possible, as organic and as natural as you possibly can. You've got to exercise. You've got to exercise your mind, too. All those components, and then you go into nature, start studying esoteric mysticism traditions and what they're all trying to teach. Start to incorporate that into your archetype of who you are and watch what happens. Watch what happens.

• 1:45:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:52Speaker 01

  It literally unlocks things you could never imagine.

• 1:45:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  That's what they were trying to leave behind.

• 1:45:57Danny Jones?

  Being inside underneath these LED light bulbs all day too is like one of the most unnatural, unhealthy things for the human mitochondria.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  It affects our circadian rhythm. So it's really bad. So I would propose if you're going to be in lights, all non LED, salt lamps if you can, even try to go traditional and rise and fall with the sun. Like if it's really dark, maybe it's time for bed.

• 1:46:18Danny Jones?

  No screens.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 1:46:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  No, I mean, seriously.

• 1:46:21Danny Jones?

  That's one of the best things you can do for your health.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  It's so interesting, even components like getting a lot of sleep. Without things that are distracting and getting a good night's sleep. And when you incorporate all those things, something unlocks.

• 1:46:31Danny Jones?

  I mean, you've seen, you, you see what happens to orcas when they're in tanks at SeaWorld for their whole lives, right? Their fins start to flop over, they become mentally unstable.

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  They look horrible.

• 1:46:39Danny Jones?

  They attack humans, they look terrible. I mean, that's what is happening to human beings that sit inside an office in a cubicle all day.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:46:45Danny Jones?

  Underneath LED lights.

• 1:46:46Speaker 01

  We are in an artificial system in a place that we don't belong. Which is why all of this has gone the way it has, which is why that civilization that we're exploring, the lost civilization is so dangerous. Because they mastered the human experience and the god code. They mastered it all. They were, they were literally, I don't know, having astral projection journeys and I think they were able to take their consciousness and go anywhere they wanted. They were able, they were doing things in these temples and things in these pyramids that we don't understand. And we look at them and we are like, wow, that was cool that they made though. That looks really hard. And yet we can't build them today. When, when have we built the Great Pyramid of Giza?

• 1:47:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  Two and a half million stone blocks, an average of three to seven tons. When's the last time we did that, Danny?

• 1:47:35Danny Jones?

  Never.

• 1:47:37Speaker 01

  Oh, we can do it, though. Okay. Is it gonna be

• 1:47:40Danny Jones?

  Prove it, Elon.

• 1:47:40Speaker 01

  A perfect mathematical half ratio of the Earth, Sun and the Moon, that aligns during the procession to Sirius and Canis Major? And has a guardian lion that faces Leo with an entire subterranean world that we have boarded up and refuse to go explore? Like, you know, the whole Sphinx paw thing, right? The right paw? They have done LiDAR and ground penetrating radar around the Sphinx, and they've identified four entryways into the Sphinx. And some of them are super obvious. Like, it's not, this isn't a conspiracy.

• 1:48:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, I've seen videos.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  There's one on the head, you've seen it, right? So there's an entrance on the head, there's one on the rump on the back, and there's one on the right paw, okay? When those were brought up to Zahi Hawass and the group, they had a lot of public attention to investigate. And so, like, I've gotten this whole story from the inside, so I know. There was a whole team that was involved in doing analysis that they found chambers, they found openings under the Sphinx, and they saw rooms, and they also saw something down there that looked like a structure. Like, they don't know what it is, okay? And so what happened is, they brought the scans, this is like in the, I think it was the early 2000s, or in the late 90s. Double check when that was.

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  They brought it, the public got all excited briefly, right? It was in the news a little bit. And so, the teams, Zahi Hawass and the group, what they did was really clever. So let's put this on record, in case it's not on record. They decided to drill to quiet everybody and go investigate, but they drilled in the wrong spot deliberately. So they went several feet in the wrong area, came down and didn't find anything, and said, "Look, see, there's nothing here." They never even drilled in the place they were supposed to. They never even went into the area that the voids had been found on scans. And so, they tricked everybody, and that's how they're hiding and pretending all of these things aren't really there. I mean, you've seen the news out of Cusco in Peru, right?

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  How they've found the entire subterranean connection from Cusco all the way to Saskia Gomon underground?

• 1:49:50Danny Jones?

  This is recent?

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was just like a couple months ago.

• 1:49:53Danny Jones?

  Really? No, I did not see this.

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  The ancients seemed to be really interested in the subterranean world. Very interesting, interested. And the means that has

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  A connection to what's above. So what we see above in Egypt is just the surface that it actually has a whole system of things underground that deal with not that necessarily the new thing that.

• 1:50:17Danny Jones?

  The SAR scans?

• 1:50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't buy that.

• 1:50:19Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  But we know that there are huge aquifer systems and subterranean areas.

• 1:50:25Danny Jones?

  Dude, the fucking labyrinth? In in Egypt?

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  There's a lot of stuff like that.

• 1:50:32Danny Jones?

  That's like, I just watched Ben Van Kirkwick's whole video on that. It's completely insane. I mean, there's all kinds of writings from antiquity, from Herodotus, from like Pliny the Elder.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Love Pliny the Elder.

• 1:50:48Danny Jones?

  Um, um, Strabo, who write about this, write about this labyrinth. And they say that it's like 100 times the size of the labyrinth in Crete. That it's like an impossible feat of engineering, even more impossible than the Great Pyramid of Giza. They all say that. They all say it's like a way more astonishing feat than the fucking Great Pyramid, which is insane.

• 1:51:12Speaker 01

  When when those things actually come to light and people start understanding the engineering that went into them, we'll understand that they had capabilities that we don't understand today.

• 1:51:22Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's the thing is that we often will view them as being primitive. I don't think they were at all. Like, I think that they had forms of technology and in human abilities that we don't remember anymore at all.

• 1:51:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  Like, give you an example. This one is probably the easiest example that everybody knows. You I imagine you've had this experience in your life at least a few times. Someone you know well, not like someone you don't know, someone you know well, maybe a family member or a best friend. They're gonna call you. It and it's an intentional thought, like, I'm gonna call Danny. I haven't talked to that guy in like a month. And right before they call you, they think that.

• 1:51:57Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  Right? Have you ever had that pop in your head where your friend and then they call you? That's it.

• 1:52:04Danny Jones?

  I've had it happen with people that are not even I'm not even close to. I've had like, I've talked about on the podcast forward, like I've had it happen where like I, I was thinking randomly in the future about an interaction I was gonna have with a guy that I see maybe twice a year. And then two seconds later, he calls me.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  But that's the thing is it wasn't random. So the idea is more of that thought you picked it up like an antenna. Okay, so try to think of consciousness as more like an antenna of a radio station.

• 1:52:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:27Speaker 01

  Okay, and so you picked up on that conscious thought because it was intended for you. Right, so it has to be an intentional thought. That's important here to understand. When we have intention behind our thoughts, we can activate something. We can activate something that goes into ancient telekinesis abilities that we don't really remember anymore. But there's almost like a little bit of the leftover memory and the leftover like parts of that are still there. They're dormant. They're, think of it this way. All of these gifts are not gone. All of them, it doesn't matter what they are. They're not all, they're not gone, they're dormant. They're all dormant inside us. We will activate them again. It's just a reactivation based on activating our DNA with a certain kind of frequency, right?

• 1:53:12Danny Jones?

  And it, I mean, it is, it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's these kids that can read minds now, these non-verbal autistic kids with the telepathy. I had a woman in here the other day who's a mom of a non-verbal autistic kid and taught the mom how to see without her eyes. She was sitting here, we literally wrapped her head in like thirty blindfolds. And he was holding up cards behind her head while she was wearing blindfolds, facing the other way and telling him exactly what he was holding.

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:53:42Danny Jones?

  I've never seen anything like it.

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  That's the abilities that I'm talking about. Now imagine that on like a hundred times more, stronger. Imagine if we were literally like magicians almost. We could create, we could move things with our voice, our sound. To this day, we know, we know that there are still Tibetan monks that have been, have been documented as, as moving an object with their voice.

• 1:54:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:54:08Speaker 01

  We, we know that levitation and acoustics are, are fundamental understanding that this, this culture had. And it gets even deeper is like, well, how do they know about like the ratios of the earth, sun, the moon? How did they know about about geodesy, locations on the earth dealing with like 30th and 40th parallels? Building very specifically these certain lines across the earth. It's like mind blowing when you start getting into what they knew. They knew, they knew like everything. It seemed as though they had mastered a lot of things of reality and a lot of concepts. And I think that's why they were able to build what they built. Because they were masters in what they did. And I don't think any of it was built by hand at all.

• 1:54:52Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  No, I think about it like a lot of people will jump to the idea, oh, maybe giants move them. No, I think that when we look at how it's described, right? That's how we know. Let's think about descriptions.

• 1:55:04Danny Jones?

  Is there any texts?

• 1:55:06Speaker 01

  Oh, well, we have to go back to indigenous traditions. No, the texts don't really talk about them.

• 1:55:11Danny Jones?

  The texts wouldn't know because right, because if the if the Great Pyramid and these these like the labyrinth and stuff were were built, they would have been way before, they would have been built way before, you know, antiquity as we call antiquity, right? It would have been, if it was before the Younger Dryas.

• 1:55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, the lost chapters.

• 1:55:27Danny Jones?

  There's no way we would have texts from there, from that time.

• 1:55:31Speaker 01

  Some of the cuneiform tablets could have been from that time, or at least rewritten from that time. Which is why they're so important and interesting. But a lot of like Vedic and Hindu traditions talk about technologies. They show them, they talk about them, and it's not only that area, but a lot of others, I'm giving you an example. The story of Virakosha out of South America. He is told to have arrived in the shores with a group. And they initially were not receptive to him. And so it's described very well that he simply did a magic trick for them. Like actually moved something or created something out of thin air.

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  That's how it's described. And so when they saw that, they bowed down and said like, I'll follow you. And that same story. Is echoed in other places too. I'm sure you know in the Aztec realm, it was Quetzalcoatl was their dragon.

• 1:56:29Danny Jones?

  This is Prometheus, this is Anki.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, same thing. And in the Maya, it's Kukulkan. And then we see that same equivalent in other parts of the world like Thoth in Egypt and Hermes in Greece. And what it all comes back to is they all are described as being magic, all of them. Every single one of them is described as being magic and be able to create and demonstrate things in front. And then, and then the people followed and they taught them, they taught them everything. And then they left. This is the interesting thing. It's described as them creating places and then leaving.

• 1:56:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:59Speaker 01

  And then leaving the, the people that are there to be the caretakers of them. But the people that were caretakers often,

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  they succumb to violence and um ways that it wasn't never meant to be. That's why the Maya and the Aztec were so violent. Because there was never, it was never intended like that. And originally they went through periods of climate disruptions with crops and things and they became, they did blood sacrifice and things like that. But the point I'm trying to make is that a lot of those ancient cultures never started that way. A lot of other cultures came later that were just shadows of their former self. You know, and it's sad that they're the ones that are being given credit for such, such amazing things. And they're not the ones who, you know, really built any of them.

• 1:57:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:57:45Speaker 01

  But that's where we are now is, is separating what is just more primitive later cultures that get all this credit and then showing where it should appropriately be, which is basically like a lost chapter. That they, no one was really able to do what they did after ever.

• 1:58:02Danny Jones?

  What, what, what do you think? Do you, do you think um the archetype of Quetzalcoatl and Prometheus and Anki are something real, like something physical?

• 1:58:14Speaker 01

  So that, that opens up like a huge thing.

• 1:58:16Danny Jones?

  What, what do you think they were?

• 1:58:18Speaker 01

  Okay, so that, that is a really, really important and really difficult question to answer. Especially for people that haven't studied it and actually read tablets themselves. Because it sounds like too fantastic when you describe it. Now, most people in my fields will credit everything with these lost civilizations to aliens. Most of them do. I do not. I don't think what we're talking, we're thinking about is an alien in the conventional sense.

• 1:58:45Danny Jones?

  Right, I agree with you.

• 1:58:48Speaker 01

  So if you take all of the traditions, if you take all of the ancient teachings, if you take hermeticism of the Vedic cultures, you take the Mayan stuff, the Egyptian stuff, the Mesopotamian stuff, especially the Mesopotamian stuff, take all of them, take every reference to these gods, these Anunnah, every single one around the world, they all like say the same thing, all of them do, especially the tablets. I counted one time how many times the Anunnah are mentioned in different tablets. I have, I have 12 different tablets that they're talked about. So their original name is not the Anunnaki, their original name is the Anunnah. That's the Sumerian term that was, that was the pantheon of gods that were associated with the Sumerian civilization.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  They describe them as being the origins of everything, that there, that humanity, about the first cities, about civilization itself, they, they say in the tablets that it came from them, that it was all lowered to them and in very specific places that it was created. And how they are, we are very much more like them than the other way around. That it was described in the tablets that they created us in the image of them and that we are nothing like anything here at all. And that's why it's so confusing and we're so misguided, is that they are just, they just describe, now, try to wrap your heads around this, your head around this.

• 2:00:11Speaker 01

  They're described as being something far more than like a group coming in a ship or something, they're not talked about that at all. They're talked about as being like omnipotent, they're talked about as being eternal and that they are fractals of Source, okay? There, and hermeticism is my favorite one, the conversation with Poimander and Hermes is my favorite conversation regarding that, because he asked about the nature of everything and like he's talking to Source and Source is coming through as a dragon, which is really interesting because Katsukwaddle and Kukulkan are both dragons. Right. So is our traditions in ancient China, they're feathered serpents, which is like a dragon.

• 2:00:53Speaker 01

  And so over and over again, we see that archetype being shown back. Now, why a dragon? Well, a dragon's just a metamorphosized serpent to its highest form, simple as that. So, the snake is really interesting.

• 2:01:07Danny Jones?

  The snake is the same. The snake is described in at least one section as being a feathered serpent.

• 2:01:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they're the same thing. That's why the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve are tempted by a snake.

• 2:01:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:19Speaker 01

  It's just Anki. That's why Anki became demonized by later corrupted religions that then turned him into like a demon.

• 2:01:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:26Speaker 01

  That's where that whole thing came from. They inverted so many things.

• 2:01:30Danny Jones?

  They inverted.

• 2:01:31Speaker 01

  They inverted all kinds of things throughout history to make it the opposite. I'll give you an example. We know.

• 2:01:35Danny Jones?

  And that's why they try to connect. That's why they connect Prometheus with the devil.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, like, let's pull this up really quick. It'll be super easy. Look up the, um, the caduceus or the rod of Asclepius. The medical symbol, right?

• 2:01:47Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:01:48Speaker 01

  Do we know what that is?

• 2:01:48Danny Jones?

  Yep, the snakes wrapping around each other.

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  If the snake is evil, why is on our most prominent area that has to do with health is, yeah, go to an image really quick.

• 2:01:58Danny Jones?

  Is the rod of Asclepius.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  Okay, so there's two different symbols so people don't get confused. The caduceus is the one with the wings that is related back to Hermes. Okay, now that is two serpents intertwined around a spinal cord, our spinal cord. And the reason they show the wings is that they're showing that if we unlock our chakras of higher consciousness and energy, we basically unlock something. That's what they were leaving behind is all of the knowledge. And the other version of this is called the rod of Asclepius. That's the one that became the medical, the medical symbol in the United States.

• 2:02:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:33Speaker 01

  It's a slightly different version of that, but similar.

• 2:02:35Danny Jones?

  Two snakes having sex.

• 2:02:37Speaker 01

  Well, they're intertwined around each other.

• 2:02:39Danny Jones?

  That's what snakes do. And have you seen a video of snakes fornicating? It's insane. Carl Ruck did a talk, was talking about this on one of his videos. He's a, he's a classical scholar.

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  Also, two snakes would probably represent the divine masculine and feminine that exists in all of us. Okay, and those two snakes, when they dance and merge their energies and balance, they unlock the highest state we can. That's why every tradition and everything has been trying to tell us this and we're not paying attention. And that's why those symbols, why would the snake be so evil and demonized if it's on two of our most prominent symbols that go all the way back? Because it was inverted. It was inverted from its opposite meaning. And it goes all the way back to the very beginning. The very beginning of a.

• 2:03:25Speaker 01

  A battle over controlling our mind, controlling our thoughts. And it goes all the way back to the very beginning of that. Again, we just talked about the story of Adam and Eve, right? In the garden where the where Anki, the snake, tempts Adam with a knowledge of good and evil. And then they get kicked out and they learn awareness and all this stuff, right?

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  Why would that be a bad thing?

• 2:03:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Well, it's considered a bad thing because monotheistic religions ended up becoming very controlled. That it all started with the Council of Nicaea.

• 2:03:54Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:03:55Speaker 01

  You know about that. And so it was like a put together book with some stories that were older, that were rewritten, and then other things that were used as a form of manipulation, right? We know that Jesus said that the path of reaching Him, it stayed that He's in. It's just the kingdom of heaven is found within. He didn't tell you to follow a church or anything. And yet, to this day, churches reorganize that message into Him being a Savior that we have to follow. And that, but we don't become that. Like, we can't, we can't be our own Savior. If they flipped it, they switched it around to what it was never supposed to be all along. It would end up being a form of control.

• 2:04:30Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  But in the original form, these, all these esoteric teachings of mysticism, their whole goal was to take the ancient knowledge of what once was and then incorporate it into us and then unlock basically like our God's side. Like, we become something far greater. And that's what every ascended master throughout history, whether or not it's Krishna, Jesus, or Buddha, or any of them, have all been saying the exact same thing.

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  Every time. And yet, we choose to not connect them and listen. And it's profound because we could be something far greater than we are.

• 2:05:05Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  And we're just being held back by things that are, quite frankly, just like illusions.

• 2:05:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah. That, yeah, the crazy game of telephone that has happened with the Bible is, is pretty astonishing when you actually really look into it.

• 2:05:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:05:22Danny Jones?

  That these stories have been, been written and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten over time.

• 2:05:28Speaker 01

  With an agenda.

• 2:05:29Danny Jones?

  Where, that's another thing. These people, not only do these church fathers have an agenda and the people that are writing it have an agenda, but they're also making money by preaching this stuff.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:05:40Danny Jones?

  Right? So, so we virtually have zero idea. Like if there is, I mean, I'm sure a lot of these stuff, these things are fairy tales. But like, I'm sure there are some elements to truth in a lot of it that has been twisted over time. But there's no way you're gonna look through just the canon and figure out what was going on 2,000 years ago.

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  You just have to go back before all that stuff.

• 2:06:05Danny Jones?

  On top of that, it's interesting that out of all the biblical literature, 100% of it is Hebrew.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Well, and that's the thing that it's unfortunately, it's an agenda by, by those who are really staunch supporters of the, of the Christian and Hebrew traditions, which I mean, I, of course, you have to dabble and look at all of things, but if you're trying to pretend that that's the beginning of everything and that those predate things that are earlier, that's where I get into issues being like, why are you trying to pretend that Christian and Hebrew teachings are far older than like these Mesopotamian ones or other ones, right? Or Hermetic? No, you can't do that. There is an order of when things came. And as you were, you were just asking a little while ago about how to find out the real story, then, well, there didn't seem like there was always agendas like later. It seemed as though if you go far enough back, a lot of these ancient traditions and cultures

• 2:06:58Speaker 01

  were trying to preserve things in the best way possible, not becoming like a council of Nicaea, changing it around to an agenda. That whole like mind control thing, that seemed to have come out of, God, at least the Romans, maybe even the Babylonians, but that was not necessarily something that I think has always existed. I think that civilization we're exploring, they seem to have a lot of emphasis and importance in being, having integrity and honor and being someone very genuine and really highly conscious.

• 2:07:28Danny Jones?

  To me, the crazy, the craziest thing about these ancient texts is that like the biblical canon all comes out of these specific Hebrew texts, right? In the Dead Sea Scrolls. But like classical scholars, what they look at is all the text that was going on, all the literature from that time to from, from 500 B.C. or 500 A.D. back to, you know, the time of Homer, right? 800 B.C. They're not looking at just the religious texts. They're looking at the philosophical stuff, the medical stuff, everything, historical stuff, geological stuff.

• 2:08:03Danny Jones?

  And all of it was Greek. It was all Greek.

• 2:08:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:07Danny Jones?

  Right? All the religious stuff is only in Hebrew, which is a 7,000 word language, 7,000 unique words in Hebrew. Greek has over 1.2 million. The Library of Alexandria, all Greek.

• 2:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Danny Jones?

  Maybe like 1% Hebrew. Which is insane to me. How come there's like, when you, when you try to go back, if you take, take your time machine back to when Jesus was walking around.

• 2:08:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:28Danny Jones?

  The best way to figure out the context to the language or the, what was happening is you take what the historians back then were writing, what the comedians were writing, what the philosophers were writing, and you try to combine it all, take the words and figure out the best contextual framework for that word. And that's how you come up with a consensus to what that word meant, because there's semantic drift.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:51Danny Jones?

  Words change, the meaning of words change over time throughout centuries.

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:08:55Danny Jones?

  So, and 90% of the lang, 90% of the language that was being used and was written, all the, all the writers, all the literature was in fucking Greek, dude. It wasn't Hebrew. Just because the Dead Sea Scrolls have all this religious stuff, there's nothing that corroborates it in Greek.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I think that we need to open up the, our lens of understanding that a lot of these Greek and other, other texts like this go back far older than Hebrew.

• 2:09:20Danny Jones?

  And by the way, and by the way, the Wes Huff, Billy Carson debate thing.

• 2:09:27Danny Jones?

  Like, everyone says that Wes mopped the floor of Billy, but Billy got a lot of shit right. He doesn't, wasn't confident in the way like, what, you know, Wes kind of like was trying to structure that argument in a way where he was like showing books and asking him questions about books that he didn't really know the answer to right then and there, whatever. But like, Billy was actually right about a lot of things. There's a lot of like ancient historians I've talked to that said, you know, Billy actually had a point there. He just didn't like finish making his point or didn't actually know the context behind it or whatever.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and Wes, Wes made some statements on Rogan that I didn't agree with either.

• 2:09:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  But we can, we can have debates and.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he made a lot of mistakes on there, but like to, like again, to Wes's credit, he did make a response to that, like saying like, look, I fucked up a lot of shit on the.

• 2:10:09Speaker 01

  Did he? Did he say that?

• 2:10:10Danny Jones?

  He, he made a video about it, like.

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:10:12Danny Jones?

  Basically trying to like, like, for example, the Ezekiel thing, he's like, it's not word for word. I messed up.

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. We say things in, in context, but.

• 2:10:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah. When you do a three hour podcast, you're gonna get shit wrong.

• 2:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. So. So we're, we're exploring some pretty incredible things. I wanted to bring up Ionus and talk to you about that because I think it goes down a rabbit hole that is connecting to a lot of things. We just talked about that, right? So you, I'm sure you haven't heard of Ionus yet, right? So the Ionus is, was not found until almost 2000 and it was, it was deliberately buried on top of a mountain. And it's an incredible ancient temple. It's built all with andesite and basalt and golden calicite alabaster. But I want you to click that picture. Yeah. Right. No. Um, right on the left there, the middle of that one right there. So I want to show you this and talk about it a little bit because I think it's fascinating is that this is these, these sites around Lake Vonn are,

• 2:11:06Speaker 01

  I feel like will be

• 2:11:10Speaker 01

  game changers in the future, big game changers. Number one, if you look at this, a lot of the symbols they have around it, um, you've matched them around the world into other important symbols, but most importantly, I want to focus behind the altar on the sun cross. Do you see that? So that sun cross is a very specific type of cross. It forms a circle. That's why it's a sun cross. And it has, you know, equal, equal arms that, that come out. Now, when I was looking into the age of this civilization and the evidence we're finding for how much older it was than the Eretians. So traditional archaeologists tells us that this was built by the Eretian culture 2800 years ago, but they're the ones who built all the mud brick on top and all the castles.

• 2:11:53Speaker 01

  And that's what that dirt that's right above that is, it's actually eroded mud brick. Now, that's one of the reasons why a lot of this has been ignored, but Ionus, that cross, if you look at that and you follow it, it brings up some really profound questions. The first one is number one, how did they create and carve any of those things? Those stones are what's called andesite. Those are a seven to a seven and a half on the Mohs hardness scale out of 10. And for not only that, but if you look, they cut symbols through more than one block, which I don't even know how you would even do that. If you would have two blocks fitted together.

• 2:12:31Danny Jones?

  Like they did it after the blocks were already put, put up there.

• 2:12:33Speaker 01

  How would you fit them perfectly together like that?

• 2:12:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they had to have done it after the blocks were put in place, right?

• 2:12:38Speaker 01

  There's no mistakes. They're all laser cut, okay? And it's one of the hardest stones in the world. But what gets even more wild is that that symbol we then find in the highest levels of secret societies and echelons of religion later on. And so if you want to pull up really quick, can you pull up? Start with that Knights Templar cross. I want to show that really quick, right there. Yep. So the Knights Templar became one of the most famous groups in history, right? They were protecting and preserving this, this, this cross. And they ended up being hunted down and eradicated by the church, right? It's a famous story. They were part of an old secret society that was protecting something.

• 2:13:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they controlled all the money and all that.

• 2:13:19Speaker 01

  That cross is called either the Red Cross or the Knights Templar Cross today, but it's based on the solar cross. Now, if that cross predates them by a great amount of time, and it's from Ionus, that's the origins of that entire cross. The mystery just gets deeper and deeper. Because we could be looking at ancient traditions and knowledge and knowing that were literally lost and still remained in certain secret societies through oral traditions and others. But the actual origin point of where it came from might have been lost. Like they didn't, they had no idea that it was, that was from Ionus. Because Ionus had been buried for almost 3,000 years. Buried. Never, it was not found until somewhat recently.

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  And so Alexander the Great visited the Von region. Xerxes visited the Von region. If you go to Von Castle, I was just there for a tour. You can see the Xerxes inscription up there. They all visited like they knew that it was a very special place. Like some of the highest, high-profile explorers and people like that in history and conquerors. And they went there, but Ionus was buried and never found until recently. And so you start seeing it's this usage of this type of cross in the highest echelons. And it really brings up very profound questions about whether or not it was some kind of an ancient knowing and tradition that went all the way back, but was then lost and still remains. So can you go the next picture of the Pope really quick in the Vatican?

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  I want to show, yeah, so take a look at this. Instead of having the Christian cross, the Pope is wearing that same cross from the Knights Templar.

• 2:15:01Speaker 01

  All the way back to, I believe, is this first one that came from Ionus. And so it gets into some really profound areas of exploring whether or not we could be looking at an entire area of lost history that could redefine religion, could redefine like, you know, philosophy, back to what it used to be, ancient teachings, understandings of sacred geometry, all kinds of things that come back in opening the doors of what the civilization may have like left behind for us to find our way back. Let me give you another example. Can you go to that image that's on the left there, right on the left, that T pillar right there? No, no, up on the left there, all the way left. Yep.

• 2:15:45Speaker 01

  That's from Shavuot Tepe. That's right next to Ionus. Now, when we were there doing, doing an analysis and investigation, do you see that that's the center cut in the middle there? We found that that was exactly 12 inches, exactly a foot. And when we mentioned other ratios with it, we found that it may be part of the building blocks of potentially even mathematics. So I found also areas that looked like a compass was used to design some of the symbols. And they have this symbol. Now, if you look at that, that what that symbol looks like, if you go to ancient Greece,

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  the capital letter for Phi, for Pi, is that design. And so is, are we looking at the origins of the basis of geometry and mathematics encoded into these structures and areas around Lake Vonn? I'm telling you, it just keeps going deeper and deeper because every time we look into these things they built and left behind, it's like, it seems like it's the beginnings of everything that became the most important parts of civilization. Like, like we said, like astronomy, mathematics, even agriculture and other things may have emerged from these places and may have led to everything else like that we understand today.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  That's pretty fucking crazy. So that, that piece right there, um, just so you can get an idea how big it is. Can you zoom out to the other one really quick of the other images? Um, and then go up? Yeah, go up to the top second one. That's how big they are. It's around seven tons. Wow. And now notice it's sitting in situ, still barely sticking out of the ground, right? Mm hmm. These sites are the only places in the world where you can find things like this that are not in museums that are still sitting there. You can't find that anywhere in the world. Right. They're just sitting there overgrown and where like we went there and we're like, we just went there with a tour and people actually found an artifact. Um, do you have a picture of that? I think I showed you that.

• 2:17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, can you go to that artifact really quick? I want to show in the middle, right in the center, dead center. Click this. That guy right there, his name is Xavier. He came on my tour. It was our first tour we've ever done in the Vaughan region. And I brought him to a place called Kef Kalesi. And I showed him the type of everybody, like a whole group, we had 30 people. And I showed everybody the type of stone we were looking for. I said, look, they carved out of, out of fine green basalt only. I said, if anybody sees one, there's still a lot that hasn't been found here. And they were doing acts, active excavations at the top of the hill. Like I'm, I know the archaeologists and I work with them. And so we're walking on the slopes. He turns over a stone. He turns over a piece and there's a full from a basalt, um, relief. That's the bottom of a lion.

• 2:18:37Speaker 01

  Okay, now I'm going to show you where it's from. Oh, wow. Remember the legs there? Yep. Now, can you go to that first image on the top left for me? This came from the same site. Now zoom in on the bottom with the lion. It's the bottom of the lion. Wow. So he found one of the pieces of one of these. Where's this from from? This is from Kef Kalesi, which is right next to Ionis around Lake Vaughan. We found a piece of one of these and it went into a museum. We handed it back to them and they, they literally are putting in the museum. But that's what I'm trying to, the point I'm trying to make is that this is like the wild west of archaeology. You can really find things, see?

• 2:19:13Danny Jones?

  That's crazy, bro.

• 2:19:14Speaker 01

  So it's actually, it's actually the left lion, not the right. Yeah. So if you, if you zoom in and look, it's the bottom of the lion.

• 2:19:21Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  And so there are, the reason for that is that those bough reliefs, those huge ones, there's at least 10 of them. And a lot of them broke off and fractured some of the sides where the symbols were, and they're still there and you can find them.

• 2:19:33Danny Jones?

  It's crazy, the negative relief, like how they were able to do that kind of a detail.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  Okay, and based on that, now go scroll up for him, well, he's based on the relief. Yeah, on the left. I want him to see this, go all the way up. Now go to the top, look at those levels. Okay, so you're talking about a solid piece of basalt that's around 50 tons. Okay? Now, they didn't make a single mistake. They somehow carved, that is three different interval levels. Three. They carved three interval levels into that somehow.

• 2:20:04Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:20:05Speaker 01

  Without making a mistake in one of the hardest stones on earth.

• 2:20:08Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  We have no understanding for how they did these things.

• 2:20:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:13Speaker 01

  No understanding. In fact, today, masons have looked at stuff like this in hard stone. We're not talking about soft stone. We're talking about granites, basals and andesites.

• 2:20:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  They are saying unless they had like lasers and and machines, they wouldn't be able to do this.

• 2:20:29Danny Jones?

  Right, same thing with these vases, man.

• 2:20:31Speaker 01

  Like, I know. So we have no idea how they did these things, no idea.

• 2:20:35Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, and the crazy thing even about the vases is like, some of those vases are so thin, they're almost paper thin, like you shine, you can shine a flat, we had Matt Bell in here, who owns like a

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was just on with him, yeah.

• 2:20:44Danny Jones?

  A few dozen of those things, and he shines the light in there, and you can like see all the light coming out through the granite. Like, how the hell were you able to carve something that's perfectly symmetrical within one thousandths of a deviation? And it's like that thin and that, one of the hardest stones on earth.

• 2:20:59Speaker 01

  So can you go, can you go take, take me on an image here? Can you get out of this for a second? And go to that paleo Lake Vonn map in the middle. Right in the center. There we go, yeah. Okay. Now, the area in blue, dark blue and light blue, is the original size of Lake Vonn. It was less than half of what it is now, okay? And I wanna, I wanna add this, because we didn't, we kinda jumped over and missed it. The underwater ruins are right in the area that's called carbonate mounds in the northern part. In fact, those carbonate mounds were why Tossin went to dive in the first place, and then he found those ruins. Initially, when he told the government and others, they didn't believe him, by the way. Now,

• 2:21:40Speaker 01

  What I found and discovered is you see those dotted lines on a little stream on the very left side that kind of extends out. Yep. That's what's called the Mirat River. That used to be the only river outflow to the lake or that exited the lake. Okay. The only one. Now, what did I stumble upon that's very significant that may be part of the evidence of dating like not only the vitrification but others. This is a big one though. Again, how could the ruins be 75 feet underwater and have lake levels that would have been 100 feet different, right? Well, when I found this map, it was based on a whole analysis in the 2000s of a group that was doing soil analysis of the lake because it's an ancient lake and they wanted

• 2:22:25Speaker 01

  to get snapshots for like the earth's climate. So they came up with this lake model. And what is so important about it is it shows that where all those little dotted lines are that are in orange and red, it shows that the lake never used to be there. And why that's important is that it shows that the area where the carbon amounts are was where the underwater ruins were when they were above water. Okay. So that gives you a basis. It verifies what this where Lake Vons lake was during this, the time period that I'm targeting, which is before the Pleistocene ended, right? Right before the Younger Dryas. This is where it's going to, you're going to know where I'm going here.

• 2:23:09Speaker 01

  There is a huge volcano on the south part of that lake called Mountain Nemrut, not the Mountain Nemrut with the statues on it. There's two Mountain Nemruts. That volcano is called Mountain Nemrut. It's one of the largest volcanic calderas in the world. It's sitting right on the southwest part of the lake. Now scientists have studied Mountain Nemrut for a long time. It's one of the most studied volcanoes in the world. They did core analysis. They figured out when the major eruptions were, they like mapped it out. What they found was that the last major eruption that blew the whole top was right at the end of the Pleistocene, right during the older and younger Dryas. You ready for this? Giving us dating from when that eruption occurred.

• 2:23:50Speaker 01

  When that eruption did occur, it threw so much debris. It was massive. I just got back from visiting it. That caldera is 40 kilometers in circumference. Forty kilometers. That's how huge it is. When that debris flew up in the air and blew its top, it blocked off the only river outlet in the lake, the Mirat River, sealing it, becoming the largest soda lake in the world. If you had a bathtub and you had a drain and you plugged the drain, what would happen?

• 2:24:20Danny Jones?

  Water wouldn't go anywhere.

• 2:24:21Speaker 01

  It would fill up, right?

• 2:24:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:24:23Speaker 01

  Well, then what happened? Lake Vaughan more than doubled in size, more than doubled. That's what that entire area in red and orange is, is the current lake today. That encompasses how big it is. So if you, if trying to explain how underwater ruins could have been flooded by that much water, you'd have to, you'd have to have some kind of a major geological event. Does that sound like the kind of geological event you would be looking for?

• 2:24:47Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  And so think, think about it this way. If the ruin, if that's the event that flooded the lake and caused it to be underwater, then all you'd have to do is because you have the dating of the eruption, it would mean that the ruins are older than the eruption, right?

• 2:25:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  And so therefore you can, you can get potential for dating that may help shift this entire paradigm.

• 2:25:10Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:25:10Speaker 01

  Which means that they're, it's, it's old, they're older than Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  And I do believe that. I believe that those ruins, what I'm showing you around Lake Vaughan, may be some of the oldest ruins in the world. Again, not primitive, starting from something that's very advanced and then teaching all around the world and then creating things like that. And then they all were like wiped out. But it gets really deep, the implications of Vaughan. And I want to tell you why I'm saying that. Because I'm about to show you the same symbols all over the world. Okay? So that would mean that the underwater ruins, we could potentially have dating. Now, can you get, can you back out really quick? Go to the, um.

• 2:25:52Speaker 01

  Okay, let's start with, go to the, um, the, the top left image of that big relief that we showed way up. Go all the way up. Keep going. That. Okay. Click that for a minute. This was found at Kef Kalesi, the same place that that artifact came. I showed you the lion. Yeah. Now, zoom in to the step pyramid design for me at the top.

• 2:26:14Speaker 01

  Okay. Pay attention to that really carefully. Take a snapshot in your mind of that. Ready? Three levels, specifically three. Three, three, three, three, three. In fact, what's, what's, you know, the Nikola Tesla quote where he says, if you want to understand the secrets of the universe, it's through the numbers of three, six and nine? You ever heard that before? No. Well, everything is fractals of three, six and nine here. But what I want you to see is that take that step pyramid design and then take the inverted one and then combine them. Can you look up for me the Chakana design really quick? C H A K A N A.

• 2:26:50Speaker 01

  It's, it's the most important symbol in South America. Chakana. Chakana design. Okay. So Chakana, um, yeah, like go to the left one or whatever. Go to the left, the very left one. That's fine or whatever. Yeah. So if you take the middle piece, which is like the, the dividing of realms, and you just take the step pyramids, you can see it's just the top step pyramid, the lower step pyramid, right? Well, that's the most important symbol in South America. Okay. Now go back to what we just looked at.

• 2:27:19Speaker 01

  Okay. Now go to the, the, the image on the right there with the, the, the spring that's flowing over the, the water three down on the right. This is in Peru at a place called Oyantitombo. Look, it's the three level step pyramid. It's in Peru across the entire world with three levels with the water flowing over the very top of it. Same thing we see at a nearby site called Napa and glacier as well. Okay. And it just, it keeps going. I'm not done yet. Now go back out really quick for me. And then scroll, is that the bottom for me? Okay. Then, okay, go down. Um, you can do the one, the middle, middle down there. Yep. That's, this is in Saudi Arabia. This is in, called Madain Salay in Saudi Arabia.

• 2:28:03Speaker 01

  Even though it may have more levels, it's still the same step pyramid concept. Okay. Now I'm going to add one more for you. What is this rock? It's a giant stone temple in the middle of the desert. There's more than one that they literally created entire mountains into temples.

• 2:28:21Speaker 01

  Okay, now- So they carved this out of the mountain? Yes, out of a single mountain. Okay, now go back- That's all one piece? One's one stone. Okay, go back for me now to the images. Now go up and right in the center, that one. This I came across and couldn't believe it. That's Cambodia. Okay, across the entire world, the other direction. And I identified these, they're only very specific sites. They're not all of Angor Wat and Angor Tong. There are these very isolated temples within that that are completely different than the rest. And they're actually considered by a different, to be built by a different culture that's not the Khmer Empire. So when I started finding this,

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  I started seeing it around the world like, oh my god. And that's not even done yet, there's more. It was like a blueprint of knowledge that then was all around the planet. Okay? Now, go back for me, I want to show you another example. It's wild. Okay, now go to that, that T pillar on the left, one down from the top. That. Remember we were looking at that? Hmm. Take that concept and then take the inverted pyramid with the steps. And then watch what happens. Now go back out for me. Now go, um, let's see, is it down or up? Let me see. Okay, um, yeah, bottom left. This is from, this is from Pumapunku in Bolivia.

• 2:29:46Speaker 01

  It's the same T, except they took the inverted pyramid, they combined both symbols. So they took, see the inverted one? They put the inverted pyramid into the top of the doorway. And then they took the T and they merged them into one symbol. Hmm. It's like, it's really wild. They're all over the place. The same symbols. Right. And then if you, and then go back out for me and then go, see how there's three doors? On the other one? Go, now go down the bottom and the bottom right, click that. That's the back of the sun gate in Tiwanaku. Three doors. Center door is the most important. Yeah. With the same, the same designs on each doorway. Wow.

• 2:30:27Speaker 01

  It's, it's like it's, it's had its origins in Vawn and then, and then passed all around the world. That's crazy. Like they're trying to tell us something. They're trying to teach us. And now if you want to know what they mean, let me explain it for a minute. The non-inverted pyramid means above, or the heavens. The, the, the, or I should say, the inverted pyramid means the heavens. The non-inverted pyramid means earth. It's our realm. So it's like they're talking about two realms of reality. So one would be like this realm of earth and the other one is above, like the heavens. So it's really interesting that on those reliefs, like especially the gate of the sun, because it's an astronomical temple that's to the stars, it's only shown with the inverted pyramid.

• 2:31:11Speaker 01

  Only, and every single time they show it, it's the inverted and not the non-inverted. It's like they're, they're trying to show us aspects of knowledge of, of, of how it all functions and how it all.

• 2:31:24Danny Jones?

  Do you think there was any utility to this, to these structures?

• 2:31:27Speaker 01

  These may have been gateways that take you somewhere.

• 2:31:29Danny Jones?

  Like my mind automatically goes to like Stargates.

• 2:31:32Speaker 01

  To somewhere else in the universe. Like, we don't understand, but I'm telling you, these fundamental esoteric principles that are like the most important thing to understand, they're, they're all in these places. Like all esoteric mysticism traditions, all came out of this knowledge. That's what I'm trying to say.

• 2:31:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:49Speaker 01

  Like, everything came from this. It looks like as they, like they were lowering all knowledge. And I want to give one more example. Go back to the images, go to the very top left again.

• 2:32:01Speaker 01

  All the way back up.

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  Okay. Click that one again on the left, because it's just, there's so much there I have to always bring up. Okay. Look at what's going on here. There you have the god Haldi on the right, which is equivalent of Enki. He's got the pine cone. You see that in murals all around the world. I'm sure you've seen that. But instead of a handbag or a bucket, he has what may be the first cup or chalice in history. Ever. Now, the chalice or the cup, if you look it up, what it means, it means specifically the passing of a spiritual or religious doctrine. So we know what he's passing. We know that he's passing the knowledge of the most high divine knowledge. Why? Look at his, his helmet. His, his, like, almost like a Magi type of hat.

• 2:32:46Speaker 01

  If you scroll up, notice what door it's facing into.

• 2:32:52Speaker 01

  The center door. Remember the gate of the sun, the center door is the largest. Have you seen The Last Supper? The famous Last Supper from Da Vinci? The three doors are there in the back.

• 2:33:03Danny Jones?

  Can you pull up The Last Supper from Da Vinci?

• 2:33:11Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, it's like they knew, even Da Vinci knew that there was like a deep understanding. Yeah, just pull up any of those. And then, um, yeah, look at the doors in the back. See how Jesus is in the center door?

• 2:33:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:24Speaker 01

  None of it's by accident. It's been right in front of us the whole time. There's a deep understanding of the three doors represent the three aspects that of like the universe. And the the concept of three is a fractal that goes all the way back to us too, Danny. Now, go back to your religious understanding. What was the Trinity?

• 2:33:46Speaker 01

  Do you remember?

• 2:33:46Danny Jones?

  Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  Or the mind, the body,

• 2:33:52Speaker 01

  and the spirit, like soul.

• 2:33:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:33:54Speaker 01

  So three components make us make up us of what we are. Three fundamental components. We are the body, we are the mind, and we are the spirit.

• 2:34:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:34:06Speaker 01

  So they're showing that if you balance all three of those things, you unlock something. You unlock a doorway. And that's not the only understanding. There's more to that.

• 2:34:17Danny Jones?

  Where did Da Vinci get this from?

• 2:34:19Speaker 01

  Well, that's the ultimate question is that it's been it's been speculated, or I've read that he was actually in a secret society.

• 2:34:26Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:34:26Speaker 01

  Yes. That's why his work is codes. And it's like codes embedded in it.

• 2:34:35Speaker 01

  Like, including the Vitruvian Man and all of that.

• 2:34:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:37Speaker 01

  And so you get into this idea that goes all the way back to also the Vedic and Hindu traditions, what's called the Trimurti. Can you pull up the Trimurti for me? T R I M U R T I?

• 2:34:51Danny Jones?

  Find that. I gotta take a leak real quick. We'll be right back. So what are we looking at here?

• 2:34:55Speaker 01

  So again, we're looking at these concepts and these teachings that seem to pass around the world. You just have to go to India and find a direct comparison to it. So when I showed you that last relief showing Haldi and then his counterpoint on the other side, and then the tree of life, here in India, you have what's called the Trimurti. Now, what the Trimurti is, is the ancient understanding in Vedic and Hindu cultures about

• 2:35:21Speaker 01

  The three fractal components that make up reality. So I mentioned that there was a fractal component that makes us us too. Remember, everything seems to be fractals, which is what's really fascinating, meaning that we seem to be a fractal of the entire universe in some ways. It's really weird when you look into actually the comparisons of us in terms of how we are even like the we have the same, the same percentage of water as the earth, like the same iron in our blood that runs it. We seem to be a fractal of everything else. And so those concepts are within us, but they're also on the, on the greater scheme of things.

• 2:35:59Speaker 01

  So for instance, in the Trimurti, it's described that there's three guardians that basically manage and balance all of reality. All that, everything, that it's not random at all. In fact, that everything is being carefully managed in our, in our universe. And that they describe it as being the center, or we think of as Brahma, their version of Brahma, or we could consider it like, almost like the tree of life on that previous relief. They consider like God or source. And the reason they often show it in, in nature is that they, the ancient cultures believed that source or God was simply in everything, but especially in the, the balances of how nature flourishes and grows, like nature itself is God. That's what they described it as.

• 2:36:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:36:43Speaker 01

  However, they state that, that growing and that, and that flourishing is not the difficult thing to happen. That happens no matter what. It's the balancing of that that's hard, that they described that the two on either side, that's what their roles and responsibilities are in the known, in the universe. Meaning that the individual on the right is known as Vishnu and he would be the equivalent of Haldi. And his role is he is a preserver of knowledge. He is a fertility god, preserver of knowledge and balance, balancer of cycles. And on the left is what we think of as Shiva, the destroyer.

• 2:37:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:37:24Speaker 01

  Now that equivalent in Eurartian was showed is, well, the other mural is called Tashiva. And it's like that everywhere in the world. Like if you look at even, even other traditions like we see with Zeus and others. This counterpoint is very important because they describe source being the center of everything and that there are beings that have to maintain both the preservation and creation and balance of life as well as the destruction of it. So this may help people understand a little bit more is that the figure on the left, Shiva, it's his job is literally to be a god of destruction and renewal.

• 2:38:08Speaker 01

  So destroying old things and, and like a war god, like all those things. And whereas the opposite is Vishnu is trying to preserve that knowledge and balance it. Now, why does that make sense? Well, go back to ancient Mesopotamia. What is Enlil and Enki doing over and over and over again in every tablet? Do you know?

• 2:38:28Danny Jones?

  Remind me.

• 2:38:30Speaker 01

  They're playing dual, they're playing duality gods of each other. Always, no matter what, every single text, Enki is this god of knowledge and wisdom. And then Enlil is always trying to destroy it. He was the one in the Garden of Eden that banished them.

• 2:38:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:38:43Speaker 01

  He was never really god. It was him. He was the one who banished them. He's the one that, that creates cycles of destruction and war here and deception. That's his job.

• 2:38:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:38:55Speaker 01

  He's, that's what his, his role, responsibility here. While at the same time, Enki's job, yeah, Enki's job is to maintain balance and, and basically pollinate the tree of life to continue it growing. So it grows eternally. They are, if we want to try to understand what the way they describe themselves in all hermetic texts, all ancient traditions, all Mesopotamian texts, they call them, they're like, they're basically cycle masters and time lords. If you wanted to try to wrap your head around that without losing everybody who's listening to this, is they describe themselves as literally like time lords and cycle masters of everything.

• 2:39:34Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:39:34Speaker 01

  Of the entire universe and that that's what their roles and responsibilities are and that they were the ones who created our solar system so that this story can unfold and that they've been managing this all along and that we are, were created in their image to eventually become like them. And that all of this is actually just grooming us to become like we were meant to all along. All of it. And that's why all the esoteric traditions and why at Ionus, it shows Haldi bending down on one knee and passing that solar cross and all of that. Because they lowered the greatest divine knowledge of all time and it led to what I believe was a golden age on earth.

• 2:40:17Speaker 01

  And that's when they built all the things they did and left behind everything they left behind. And then they were wiped out and destroyed. And then we are putting the pieces back together and finding our way back to where we began. It's all about the wandering and the journey. As a microcosm of humanity. Our journey of wandering is part of this. We're supposed to start from a place, a spiritual place of deep connection to the to the all.

• 2:40:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:44Speaker 01

  And we come into a material body and we experience incarnation over and over and over again. As many times as is necessary until we finally walk that path. That we that I've been describing, that they've been basically screaming at us about that we're not paying attention to. Which is that they're leaving behind the blueprints back to where we began, back to source. And if we just follow them and listen to all the knowledge that they were trying, they were trying to leave behind for us. We can unlock those those doors just like they did.

• 2:41:14Danny Jones?

  Now, wasn't the story, the Anunnaki, Anunnaki story that wasn't part of that story that they were trying to create? A lower race of like slave species of humans to like terraform the earth?

• 2:41:28Speaker 01

  Be super careful with anything Zecharia's Sichin. I strongly want to point that, put that down right now. Anything related to something like that is usually from Zecharia's Sichin.

• 2:41:39Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:41:39Speaker 01

  Not, not actually from the tablets. And so I want to be really clear about this. Zecharia's Sichin was not an Assyriologist, he was not a translator, he didn't have, he had no idea how to read. It's Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Syrian, no idea at all.

• 2:41:54Speaker 01

  You look at who the expert translators were, the first one who cracked the code was in the late 1800s, George Smith. The guy is a legend.

• 2:42:00Danny Jones?

  George Smith?

• 2:42:01Speaker 01

  George Smith, and nobody has ever heard of him. He's the one who cracked a language code from the Sumerians that had been dead for thousands of years. Nobody knew how to read it. He cracked the code. That Epic of Gilgamesh was actually the first one that he cracked. Anyway, after him...

• 2:42:17Danny Jones?

  So, so the story of them trying to create the lower slave race of humans to terraform the earth was not necessarily accurate?

• 2:42:23Speaker 01

  All Zecharia Sitchen. So, Zecharia Sitchen, what happened was, he wrote a whole series of books, and he tried to base them on being translations and direct understanding from the tablets. And he was the first one to do that, and he created a mess. He created, and I think it was very intentional.

• 2:42:42Danny Jones?

  And this is what he, and he came up with the idea that there was this planet Nibiru that they came from?

• 2:42:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:42:47Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:42:48Speaker 01

  So, what he did is he took pieces of truth from tablets and wove them into a very clever story. Very clever story.

• 2:42:56Danny Jones?

  Seems like what a lot of people have been doing.

• 2:42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, like, for instance, when we talk about, if we get to astronomical things, like, there is a planet out there, but it doesn't come through our inner solar system. So, he took that and then turned it into something it's not. And then he took other things, like, for instance, areas in the tablets that it's just discussing roles and responsibilities of the Aji Gi and the Anuna, and then why we were created, and then turned it around to making it seem like we were created as a slave race to mine gold.

• 2:43:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:43:26Speaker 01

  The whole thing is false. The tablets never talk about mining. They never talk about gold, ever.

• 2:43:32Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:43:33Speaker 01

  Ever. Not a single time. The only mention of gold in any tablets is that it talks about, in the Enki and World, New World, Enki and World Order tablet, it talks about them bringing gold, lapis lazuli, and silver as an offering to the temple. That's it. It never mentions it ever again.

• 2:43:48Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:43:49Speaker 01

  The whole thing is bullshit. He made it up and it's confused everyone to the point where you have two camps of people. You either have academics who believe the Anunnaki and a lot of those stories are just myths and allegories and none of it's real at all. Or you get a lot of people on the extreme other side where they believe everything Sitchin is saying is what the tablets say. And they don't go read the tablets themselves.

• 2:44:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:44:12Speaker 01

  So then you're stuck in this weird place where I am, where I'm like, guys, that's not what the tablets say at all. And in fact, they say the complete opposite.

• 2:44:21Danny Jones?

  And you're, and you're not necessarily reading these yourselves. You're relying on some of the top translators in the world.

• 2:44:27Speaker 01

  Like a combination of George Smith. Um, George Smith and Samuel Kramer are the greatest acerologists in history.

• 2:44:33Danny Jones?

  George Smith's not alive though, right?

• 2:44:34Speaker 01

  He's, he's passed. Um, and then I would, a third person I would add would probably be Stephanie Dally on, on top of that.

• 2:44:41Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:44:42Speaker 01

  So the three of them have confirmed each other's work. So that's more importantly to understand is George Smith comes out with all these translations. Then Samuel Kramer goes in with, goes in with his understanding and then confirms most of it, which he did. Because George Smith is a genius. And then Stephanie Dally came in and basically confirmed those, the other two people. And you take those versions only. You don't read any other versions from anybody else because you have to know that the source of what you're getting from is, is accurate and truthful. And it's, so if you really want to know what the tablets actually say,

• 2:45:16Speaker 01

  you go into it, you learn that they talk about how the Anuna are somehow chained to our reality.

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• 2:45:52Speaker 01

  That's what they use those phrases.

• 2:45:54Danny Jones?

  Chained to reality.

• 2:45:55Speaker 01

  Like they're stuck to our reality. It's wild. And that they are.

• 2:46:01Speaker 01

  Basically fractals of source that is doing the the work of source here. They're not separate from source. They're not some renegade group doing their own thing. It's not like that. They're they're described as being fractals of source omnipotent. And they're assuming roles in the universe based on what are called natural law. So laws laid down by source, one of them being duality, polarity, fundamental constants.

• 2:46:27Speaker 01

  Feminine masculine energy is another another constant, right? They're like they're constants in the universe. They seem to be the ones that are that are described as playing those roles.

• 2:46:40Speaker 01

  For all of time. So like Anki is always the the knowledge bringer and the and the wisdom keeper and the the preserver of life and everything. And Enlil, his counterpoint, is always the one that is supposed to do the opposite.

• 2:46:51Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:46:52Speaker 01

  And it's a never ending perpetual cycle.

• 2:46:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:46:54Speaker 01

  Let me give you an example. The yin yang symbol.

• 2:46:56Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:46:56Speaker 01

  Okay, you have light and dark. And then inside each of those, inside those fish, like people describe it as, you have light and dark within each yourself. The the light can never eat the dark, or they wouldn't even exist for each other. They're in a they're in a perpetual balance always.

• 2:47:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:12Speaker 01

  That's what Anki and Enlil do.

• 2:47:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:15Speaker 01

  Their job is to maintain duality and polarity here.

• 2:47:18Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:47:19Speaker 01

  So they're like playing good cop, good cop, bad cop. Because that's one of the most fundamental things that exists.

• 2:47:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:47:26Speaker 01

  In in everything. And so they're described, they describe it as.

• 2:47:32Speaker 01

  Some other form of that's like them, like a demigod version called the Ajiji. Okay, let's like, let's let's set this story straight.

• 2:47:39Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  So that we so we don't have all this misconceptions, okay? It's described how they came here and that we'll we'll lay it all out. The Anuma Alish will take the Autrehasis, will combine it with the myth of Adapa. We'll just put the whole thing together, okay? They describe as the earth being a very special place. Very special. That we are perhaps falsely trying to understand that there are infinite like worlds and there may be not. Not like this, not like what our earth is. Right. That it was actually picked for in the entire universe. That's the first thing. They called it Ki, it was not called Earth. The Earth had two names. It was called Ki, like K I, or Tiamat.

• 2:48:21Speaker 01

  Tiamat was the primordial name for Earth when it was violent. They described coming to the solar system, the Anumalish, and the Earth was violent. No life was here. Right. We're talking billions of years ago. Right. That's why time doesn't matter for them. They don't exist in time. They're higher dimensional, multi-dimensional beings that don't exist in time or space. Okay? Which is, okay, right. They're omnipotent, they can do whatever they want. Yeah. They can manifest in anything they want. Right. Wait, so that's where this whole thing comes from. And so they pick Earth, because it's very special. And they, the Anumalish describes it as somehow organizing the solar system.

• 2:49:02Speaker 01

  Everything, Jupiter, Saturn, they're all organized as part of a balancer to the whole system itself. Um, which is really interesting. Then they describe how they came here and there was a demi-like god called the Ajiji that worked like almost for them. Like, they're really high-level beings. And there's this other form of them that is in physical form, that is described as being on Earth and building and doing all this stuff. Right. Okay, they called them the Ajiji. Yes. And it's described that they were, this is where Sitchin stole it from and manipulated it. It describes as they were clearing the lifelines of the land. I think what that meant was maybe not, maybe something energetically, but I think it had to do with rivers.

• 2:49:47Speaker 01

  Because streams, like in ancient Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent, it's a very arid region. And so the agriculture was able to blossom because of using, um, those rivers and using them for, um, for, for irrigation and things like that. A lot of rivers like that fill with silt. So, one of the theories I have is that clearing those lifelines was actually clearing the silt from those rivers and then using them as a basis for agriculture and all these things. Or, maybe it was talking about something energetic. But either way, he used that as a means of mining.

• 2:50:22Speaker 01

  Clearing the lifelines of the land.

• 2:50:24Danny Jones?

  I see.

• 2:50:25Speaker 01

  Like, where'd you get that from?

• 2:50:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:27Speaker 01

  Um, it does talk about how the Ajiji revolted. That's true.

• 2:50:31Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:50:32Speaker 01

  It talks about how they revolted and didn't want to do these things in this physical world any longer. They were, they didn't want to do it. They were like gods, like them, and they felt like the responsibility of being here and doing these things was way beneath them.

• 2:50:45Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:50:46Speaker 01

  So they revolted. That's what the tablet described. They went to Enlil, they stormed Enlil and said, we, we don't want to do this anymore. You need, there needs to be another solution. We don't want to maintain this world. Like maintain the world, the physical world, all the different things that go along with that. So they had to come up with a plan. The plan was they decided to create mankind to alleviate all those responsibilities. But it talked about not only that, but becoming, um, becoming them eventually. So it wasn't, it wasn't like we were created to be a slave or some kind of a, a lower form of life. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

• 2:51:30Speaker 01

  Before people jump on that notion, I will jump to the myth of Adapa. And the myth of Adapa. Can you pull up the myth of Adapa really quick? A D A P A? I would love you to see it for yourself.

• 2:51:42Danny Jones?

  And didn't the Anunnaki start like mating with the Ajiji?

• 2:51:46Speaker 01

  They, they may have had some interaction with, no, no, no, not, um, the actual text. Um, can you get the actual translation? Myth of Adapa translation for me?

• 2:51:58Danny Jones?

  Try chat GPT, bro.

• 2:52:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you can look up, um, please give me the trans, in chat GPT, please give me the translation of the myth of Adapa.

• 2:52:08Speaker 01

  I gotta, I need you to read this because when you read this.

• 2:52:11Danny Jones?

  Make sure you say please.

• 2:52:12Speaker 01

  Please.

• 2:52:12Danny Jones?

  So it doesn't come kill you when it becomes all mighty, when it turns into a god.

• 2:52:16Speaker 01

  Relationship with mine. So when you read, when you read this, it's going to fundamentally, fundamentally change your perspective forever.

• 2:52:23Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:52:23Speaker 01

  Are you ready for this?

• 2:52:24Danny Jones?

  I'm ready.

• 2:52:24Speaker 01

  Because this gives us the, like, the answers.

• 2:52:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:52:27Speaker 01

  Yes. The myth of Adapa is the oldest ancient text ever written.

• 2:52:31Danny Jones?

  Okay, Adapa and the food of life?

• 2:52:36Speaker 01

  Let me see.

• 2:52:41Speaker 01

  Wow, this is not a good version. Hold on, hold on, let me, let me see if I can find it. This is a perfect example of a version that is not the original version.

• 2:52:51Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:52:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I know the wording is different on this. Hold on, let me pull it up. One second, Myth of Adapa Translation, I'm gonna find you it. Because you're really gonna love this.

• 2:53:03Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:53:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:53:08Speaker 01

  Let me see.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, okay, this is it.

• 2:53:16Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:53:17Speaker 01

  You found it, thank you. See what I'm talking about, how difficult it is?

• 2:53:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:21Speaker 01

  Okay, so let me, um, I don't have my glasses on, so I have to like...

• 2:53:24Danny Jones?

  I can read it.

• 2:53:25Speaker 01

  Can you read to, um...

• 2:53:29Speaker 01

  Read right to here and then pretend that's a period, okay?

• 2:53:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:53:32Speaker 01

  Go ahead, go ahead, because the world needs to hear this.

• 2:53:34Danny Jones?

  Tablet number one, Myth of Adapa. He possessed intelligence. Okay, Steve, what are you doing? Alright, his command like the command of Anu. He, Ia, granted him a wide ear to reveal the destiny of the land. He granted him wisdom, but he did not grant him eternal life. In those doves...

• 2:53:57Speaker 01

  Days.

• 2:53:58Danny Jones?

  In those days, um, in those years, the wise man of Eridu, Ia had created him as the chief among men. A wise man whose command none should oppose. The prudent, the most wise among the Anunnaki was he.

• 2:54:16Speaker 01

  Okay, so you can stop right there.

• 2:54:21Speaker 01

  It's telling us about the figure that became known as Adam. His original name was Adapa. This tablet is the oldest single written record in human history, period. The Myth of Adapa is considered the first Sumerian tablet that's ever been recorded in terms of, for its age. It's one of the oldest tablets ever written in mankind. And it tells us profound things.

• 2:54:47Danny Jones?

  This is the oldest written document in history.

• 2:54:49Speaker 01

  Yes. The Myth of Adapa, it's the very beginning of everything. Now, what's really interesting here are a couple of things. Number one, did you see that he has been, he says he has been created as chief among men?

• 2:55:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:55:04Speaker 01

  That he's basically perfect. Remember like, like the description of Adam?

• 2:55:09Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:55:10Speaker 01

  Okay, now, this is the line that really brings it home, though. The most wise.

• 2:55:19Speaker 01

  The most wise among the Anunnaki.

• 2:55:23Danny Jones?

  The most wise among the Anunnaki was he.

• 2:55:26Speaker 01

  So what it's saying is that the first man, the first perfect man named Adapa, the first great sage from a city called Aridu, the first city ever created.

• 2:55:39Speaker 01

  That he's considered the most wise among the Anunnaki. So what does that mean for us?

• 2:55:45Speaker 01

  We are the Anunnaki.

• 2:55:48Speaker 01

  We are them. We just don't remember anything and we don't have any of the gifts anymore. He's, they're trying to tell us that we started in a place where not only was he the most wise, but it's described even further. If you go to the Nogomati scriptures, the secret book of John, it talks about how Enlil became jealous over how perfect man was.

• 2:56:12Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:56:12Speaker 01

  And then deliberately threw him into, it was what it says, threw him into a lower form of existence.

• 2:56:18Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:56:18Speaker 01

  To trap him. So we became, we were created by powerful fractals of source that are like omnipotent creator gods, right? And amongst them, we were created in such perfection that we were more wise and more potentially more powerful than even they are. And because of jealousy by the gods, by them, specifically Enlil, he creates an entire world and hides us in a veil of war and deception and confusion to lock us in an eternity to never remember who we really are.

• 2:56:54Danny Jones?

  That's powerful, bro.

• 2:56:58Danny Jones?

  So we are them.

• 2:56:59Speaker 01

  Yes, and we have all the gifts they have. We just don't remember or have them unlocked yet. We are now look at how we're perceived in the world today. How we're taught, right? Darwinianism, we're just like, we're just a survival of the fittest species that's destroying everything around it. And we got here only because we got smark and the luck of the draw. It's the complete opposite of that. We're like a divine being of the universe. So what are we doing killing each other and doing all these horrible things? Do you know what happens when someone kills someone?

• 2:57:28Danny Jones?

  No, what happens?

• 2:57:30Speaker 01

  They are the judges of all. You ever seen in Egypt where they show a feather? The the symbol of the analogy of the metaphor? A person's heart on a scale being weighed against a feather? You ever heard that before?

• 2:57:44Danny Jones?

  No, no.

• 2:57:45Speaker 01

  That in ancient Egypt is a depiction that's commonly seen. And it's very known where they are the judge, the judges of our entire existence. Every single thing you're doing is being judged. And that the way that you can unlock higher places is because those things are allowed to happen. Like you earned them and you you proved through these trials and tribulations that we don't even know are real. That everything we're being judged on. They call themselves, it's the most amazing term. They call themselves in at least three tablets, the ordainers of destinies. That they're literally in charge of everything. And that we that there's a really fine line between free will and destiny that we don't really understand.

• 2:58:30Speaker 01

  And we don't have as much free will as really we really think. That's really what it comes down to, which is good. Because let's let's face it. I don't want to be at the mercy of some mad men. They're going to send off a bomb and blow us all up.

• 2:58:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:58:42Speaker 01

  So if we're not really in charge, it gives me a lot of peace of mind. Knowing that there is something much higher that's actually governing a lot of the path of humanity.

• 2:58:52Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, if there is.

• 2:58:56Danny Jones?

  A god who is all omnipotent and all knowing. That means the god knows everything that's gonna happen in the future.

• 2:59:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:59:05Danny Jones?

  Which means there's no free will.

• 2:59:06Speaker 01

  No, there isn't actually really free will because time isn't what we think. Time is there's no beginning and there's no end. Time is like a giant circle.

• 2:59:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:59:15Speaker 01

  It's been described in esoteric traditions.

• 2:59:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:59:17Speaker 01

  That there isn't no, there is no beginning and there is no end. That it's a giant circle and that the whole point is that we start somewhere and we we get completely lost. That's the fun, the fun in the game of it, the story, and then we find our way back. And it's through those unexpected and impossibilities of us making our way back that makes it such an interesting story.

• 2:59:42Danny Jones?

  And if we were to advance to a level where we can figure out

• 2:59:48Danny Jones?

  things like zero point energy or

• 2:59:53Danny Jones?

  crafts that can manipulate gravity, well, that means we create time travel machines.

• 2:59:58Speaker 01

  We, we in conjunction, we have something that that that global golden age civilization didn't have. They may have had all the knowledge and being like masters of their physical body and the metaphysical.

• 3:00:13Speaker 01

  But they didn't have the kind of technologies we have. And so I like to think that.

• 3:00:18Danny Jones?

  How do we know that though?

• 3:00:19Speaker 01

  Well, they don't, they don't leave anything behind showing that. They have some technologies.

• 3:00:23Danny Jones?

  We have ancient texts and depictions of these angels or like UFOs, if you want to call them that, right? Like Ezekiel's wheel and throughout the middle ages.

• 3:00:34Speaker 01

  Are they, is that like a literal thing though? That's the thing.

• 3:00:37Danny Jones?

  Is it? I don't know. Is it? Is it like this whole UFO phenomenon? Like how far back does it go? Like how, how far back were, were these things flying around? Are they the Anunnaki? Have they just become some breakaway civilization who's here that we can't see?

• 3:00:52Speaker 01

  I think that most of what we're seeing is secret government technology. Most of it. Because frankly, do you really think that it's civilization that reached such astronomically conscious levels and morality to be able to go to some star system somewhere? Do you think they're just gonna willy nilly like pollute another culture like without even caring? If you're if you're able to reach the level of of traveling the stars, you would have to develop a certain conscious level or you would destroy yourself through technology. You would never there's like there's like a gatekeeping concept there that seems to be very established that you're not allowed to do certain things like Danny can't create an empire on earth with the most powerful weapons known to man and decide to like go destroy the universe and go destroy everywhere else.

• 3:01:37Speaker 01

  You're not gonna you know, you know why you won't be allowed to do that? Because you will end up self destroying yourself before you ever reached heights with your consciousness and your multidimensional side. If you take the technological side of developing weapons and that kind of mentality always is self destructive. Empires are always unsustainable.

• 3:01:57Danny Jones?

  Well, maybe, yeah, even if it is like secret stuff that the government has, maybe it's not stuff that they developed. Maybe it's ancient stuff that they found that's been here the whole time.

• 3:02:05Speaker 01

  That's the question that nobody knows.

• 3:02:07Danny Jones?

  Like, you know, for example, in this labyrinth, in this Egyptian labyrinth, there was a guy who found that there was a big structure when they did those satellite scans on that labyrinth in Egypt. He said that there was a massive 130 foot long object that was not wood. It was not stone. He says the only the only other material it could be based on those scans was metal, a metallic object that was the size of, you know, 150 feet long.

• 3:02:35Speaker 01

  I would like to believe those things. The problem is that number one, what kind of technology is he using? Does he know how to read those scans correctly? Does like, there's a lot of questions still that I would want to ask before I jump on something like that. The problem I have is that studying every ancient civilization around the world and everything they left behind, they don't seem to have any depictions I can find of aliens. It's the Anunnaki seem to look.

• 3:02:59Danny Jones?

  It doesn't have to be aliens. It could just be it could just be.

• 3:03:02Speaker 01

  It seems to be the Anunnaki over and over again is what I'm trying to say.

• 3:03:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:03:04Speaker 01

  Like over and over again. Like they're the ones who are responsible for all this, not someone else.

• 3:03:11Danny Jones?

  No, I'm not saying it's someone else either. I'm just saying that this is some sort of time travel. This is some sort of time travel that the Anunnaki could have figured out.

• 3:03:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, and that's actually what George Smith.

• 3:03:20Danny Jones?

  Maybe they were future us.

• 3:03:21Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that's the other really interesting thing we just said. Because, let me tell you, George Smith, again, the great hero of translating and figuring stuff out before anyone else ever did. He, he, he knew more about the tablets than anyone. He read every single one, right? He broke them all down. In his book, called The Chaldean Account of Genesis, at the very end, he summarizes his understanding. It's really profound. And he says, and I will paraphrase, he says that the only thing that makes sense for him about the Anunnaki, this is before it became like a dogma that you couldn't talk about in academic world.

• 3:03:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:03:59Speaker 01

  Okay, this is the 1800s. He said, "The only thing that made sense when he read every single tablet was that the Anunnaki seemed to come backwards and forwards in history."

• 3:04:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:09Speaker 01

  He called them time travelers.

• 3:04:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:11Speaker 01

  That's what he said in that. He said that that's the only thing that made sense to him. Because the Ennumeration Ilish is talking about them here with like the creation of our solar system.

• 3:04:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:20Speaker 01

  It's like billions of years ago. And yet, then they're also here at every other interval and every other time. So I think that the big thing that's gonna shock everybody in the future is realizing that we're part of some kind of like a closed system in which it's being governed and managed. I think that will be what shakes everyone the most of anything. It's not even necessarily who we are. I think that will come, but I think it's more or less like what we're a part of that we're not aware of.

• 3:04:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:47Speaker 01

  And then people will be like, "I don't want to do any of this stuff that I'm doing," you know? And I think that there's a danger to that, and that's why all this has been hidden. Because, you know, Danny's not gonna want to go flip burgers at Burger King anymore.

• 3:04:59Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, I think, I think that the whole idea of disclosure and it's not, is not about extraterrestrials. I think it's about exposing like a greater control system that could be like what you were explaining earlier. You know, who, who is controlling all of this? Who are the people above us?

• 3:05:16Speaker 01

  The Gnostics call them the Archons. So the Archons mean ruler. So they call them that. And they, they talk about them as being the rulers of reality. And that's why people, this might sound crazy to someone, people on the surface, but I strongly encourage people to go read. Tablets like you just read, go read the Nag Hammadi, go read the hipostasis of the Archons. Like it talks about it. They seem to have a deeper understanding a long time ago than we do now. If anything, it's been lost. That's why people like Zecharia Sitchin did so much damage. Because when the only people that was talking about it then throws it into like left field and makes everyone think it's not real.

• 3:05:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:05:53Speaker 01

  So then I came along, I was like, well, what do the tablets actually say? What are the best translations? And that's what led me down a lot of this rabbit hole that I did.

• 3:06:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's kind of like the double edged sword of like technology and like the proliferation and ubiquity of media nowadays with podcasts and YouTube and all that stuff. Is that like, it's a lot easier to find out who was full of shit and, and, and, and what's real. You know, even, even though AI can't really accurately, isn't like accurately translating ancient texts yet, I don't think, I'm not sure.

• 3:06:23Speaker 01

  I think it is now.

• 3:06:24Danny Jones?

  Um, but like the story of Atlantis is a great example about is, is like how that story has been bastardized over time.

• 3:06:30Speaker 01

  And I actually come from a completely different angle of that.

• 3:06:33Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:06:33Speaker 01

  Um, to the point where I feel like I've found some evidence that actually brings a lot more credibility to that entire story.

• 3:06:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I, I, I, uh, the, the Atlantis story is fascinating. Like when you, when you actually understand the real chain of transmission with Atlantis, you realize how fucking crazy it is. Like if you think the train, train, train, chain of transmission with the Bible is crazy, Atlantis is that on steroids. Because it was, it was transmitted orally for a thousand years before Solon.

• 3:07:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:07:04Danny Jones?

  And then it was passed to the Egyptian priest who had no records to corroborate any of it. And then it was passed down to Pliny the Elder, and then the younger, and then it, you know, eventually it's to Plato, ending up in the Timaeus and Critias. Like it's, it's crazy.

• 3:07:19Speaker 01

  There's a whole facet to that story you may not know.

• 3:07:21Danny Jones?

  And Plato wasn't a historian.

• 3:07:23Speaker 01

  No, he was a philosopher.

• 3:07:24Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:07:25Speaker 01

  Okay, so I guess we should bring, I should bring this up because you just brought it up. I have a whole nother angle that may give validity to the Atlantis story that people don't talk about. And I found it in, in digging into a very interesting individual named Plutarch. Have you heard of Plutarch?

• 3:07:41Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, I've heard a lot about Plutarch.

• 3:07:43Speaker 01

  Okay, so Plutarch, um, he came hundreds of years after. He was, he was actually 400 years after Solon visited Egypt.

• 3:07:50Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:07:50Speaker 01

  Okay. Plutarch's story.

• 3:07:55Speaker 01

  is a dangerous one because Plutarch brings credibility to something that's supposed to be an allegory like nobody else does so I would also like encourage people to look into Diodorus too very interesting but you sound you're very well versed on this so let me see if you know this so Plutarch is he's a very unfortunate individual that what he's known for is almost unknown and what he is known for is somewhat irrelevant okay so Plutarch was a he was a he was actually a temple priest I don't know if you know that of Delphi so he was actually a temple priest of Apollo at Delphi and in Greece he was a pretty high

• 3:08:36Speaker 01

  level individual he was you could call him the last of his kind because after him everything changed and I'll tell you what I mean by that he was a great philosopher he was a temple priest he was a mystic he knew a lot of knowledge and he has been totally glossed over in history for some reason and so I've been digging into that and found some really interesting stuff regarding that so why is Plato's work considered an allegory and not real well Plato doesn't give us any specifics about who these temple priests are he meet the Solon meets with he doesn't actually say any names the only thing he says is the name of the temple he says it's

• 3:09:18Speaker 01

  the temple of Sais S A I S so that's all we get so what happened was scholars came back and said well Plato made the entire thing up none of it's true the only part of that story that's true is that Solon did visit Egypt right

• 3:09:36Danny Jones?

  well also all of the people around Plato were constantly saying he was a liar and he was full of shit including Aristotle

• 3:09:43Speaker 01

  well I think it's because there was a mandate and there was a an effort to basically

• 3:09:53Speaker 01

  Disprove and quiet that whole narrative like for instance Socrates was murdered.

• 3:09:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:59Speaker 01

  Right? Socrates was murdered. He actually ended up being able to decide his own death. Did you know that?

• 3:10:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:04Speaker 01

  So you picked Hemlock to.

• 3:10:06Danny Jones?

  Yep. Instead of, instead of leaving. Yeah.

• 3:10:08Speaker 01

  Plato was devastated. Socrates was his great mentor. He was devastated. I think that was why he hid a lot of that information as an allegory. Because I think he would have, they would have killed him too. I think Plato hid that information because he knew the nature of the world that he lived in. Okay, that's why I think, that's why I think he did it. But the reason why scholars and academics don't think the story is real is because they think that it's only based on Solon's visit to Egypt and that everything else was made up. Okay, but what Plutarch brings is credibility to that, to that early information that nobody else has ever done. So what happened? Well, Plutarch came out with two books.

• 3:10:49Speaker 01

  One was called The Life of Solon and another one called, called Moralia that has a chapter in it called Isis and Ishtar or something. And it is two different parts of his work that have been like ignored by history. So anyone listening to this, go look up what I'm talking about. It will blow your mind. Because, and I'll read, I actually have a really cool quote that I will read that I don't know if anyone in the world has ever even heard yet. I'm very excited to do that. So

• 3:11:20Speaker 01

  he writes these two books. They get glossed over. They get kind of ignored, which is really strange. And I've looked it up with chat GPT and I asked why that happened. And they think that it's because people end up focusing on Plato and basically just somehow ignored.

• 3:11:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:34Speaker 01

  Plutarch.

• 3:11:35Danny Jones?

  It's funny. All the classical scholars I've talked to, they all hate Plato.

• 3:11:40Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 3:11:41Danny Jones?

  They all say he's boring.

• 3:11:43Speaker 01

  I think he's the best. He's amazing. I love Plato's work. It goes very far beyond just talking about Atlantis too. So anyway, Plutarch ends up providing these details in his, in his works that anyone can go look up. That is, gives credibility to that entire visit that Solon went on in a way that changes it from allegory to fact. And the reason is, when we look at the Plato story, it's just that, oh, Solon met with like a hypothetical, like a priest in a temple.

• 3:12:15Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 3:12:15Speaker 01

  And you're like, okay, like you just make that up, right? Okay, okay, fine. Solon went to Egypt. Fine. But the rest is probably made up, right? No. Plutarch knew details. And why he knew details? Well, Plutarch took a very interesting trip, if not trips, to Egypt during this time. And he did a lot more than Solon did. He went to nearly every ancient Egyptian temple, including Amun Ra and all these different temples. And he met with all these different priests and learned about ancient, ancient Egyptian history. One of the things he did is that he went to the temple of Neath at Sais, which is where the entire story comes from that Plato talks about from Solon.

• 3:12:59Speaker 01

  It's this temple that is supposedly not real, right? It's like a mythical allegory. Well, Plutarch's like, no, no, no, it was a real temple. I went there. And not only that, he has an inscription from one of the things that was written in the walls. And I can read it. And I don't think anyone's ever read that before.

• 3:13:19Danny Jones?

  Okay, yeah.

• 3:13:19Speaker 01

  To have it come out. But let me say a couple of other things before I read it.

• 3:13:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:13:23Speaker 01

  He names the two temple priests that Solon met with. So instead of being like this hypothetical thing now, it's two very specific individuals. The first one is known as Sancis, S-O-N-C-H-I-S. His name is Sancis of Sais. And he is a priest that is in charge of that region, that temple. Meanwhile, another priest from Heliopolis comes up from the journey to meet because they hear about Solon coming.

• 3:13:54Danny Jones?

  Is it the story that it was a priestess that he met?

• 3:13:56Speaker 01

  No, no, two priests. So one of them is Sancis.

• 3:13:58Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:13:59Speaker 01

  And the other one is a priest from Heliopolis.

• 3:14:01Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:14:02Speaker 01

  And his name is Senofus. Senofus is his name. Do you have that up?

• 3:14:08Danny Jones?

  Senofus, yeah.

• 3:14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14:10Danny Jones?

  Senofus and Sanus?

• 3:14:11Speaker 01

  So he meets with these two priests that are supposedly the greatest elders of, he says, the greatest elders of wisdom of anyone that was alive.

• 3:14:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:14:22Speaker 01

  Like, they're the two individuals that knew ancient, ancient history and information that, that nobody else knew anymore. They were like the last two. And that the entire temple of Neth, the purpose of it was a temple of knowledge, but not just knowledge of the current times, it was a temple that was dedicated to the knowledge of, of everything, like the past civilizations, what they knew, the stories of them. And that's why Solon was able to learn the story of Atlantis. And that the walls actually had the story inscribed into it of Atlantis. Now, and this is where it gets really interesting, is that, um, Senophis of, of Heliopolis is, you, he writes all about those two temple priests.

• 3:15:06Speaker 01

  And then he talks about how when he went to the temple, he wrote down the only inscription that's ever survived. Because after he left, he went there 1,940 something years ago. After he left, the Romans and others destroyed a lot of Egypt and it was, it was lost.

• 3:15:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:15:23Speaker 01

  So the temple of Neth at Sais was never seen ever again. Plutarch was the last person.

• 3:15:29Danny Jones?

  Fix your mic.

• 3:15:30Speaker 01

  Plutarch was the last person to ever potentially, at least a philosopher or scholar, to potentially ever visit the temple of Neth ever again. After, after that, it was destroyed and never, never seen ever again, which is wild. So he says this, in the temple, in the temple walls, he wrote down one of the inscriptions. I don't know why he didn't write all of them down. I don't know. But he wrote one down.

• 3:15:56Danny Jones?

  And where did he write this?

• 3:15:57Speaker 01

  In his, in his book, um, it was from, I, um, it was from his, his chapter in Moralia called Isis and Osiris.

• 3:16:07Danny Jones?

  Isis and Osiris by Plutarch.

• 3:16:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:16:10Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:16:10Speaker 01

  And so it's in a, it's in a body of work called Moralia.

• 3:16:13Danny Jones?

  Moralia, okay.

• 3:16:13Speaker 01

  So if anyone wants to look it up, this is what it says from the temple. You ready for this? It's from Neth, so Neth is like, um, the Egyptian equivalent of Athena in ancient Greece.

• 3:16:24Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:16:25Speaker 01

  Okay? Says, "I am all that has been, is, and shall be. No mortal has lifted my veil."

• 3:16:37Speaker 01

  How wild is that? It's beautiful, isn't it?

• 3:16:41Danny Jones?

  What does it mean?

• 3:16:43Speaker 01

  Well, we have to figure it out, but the point is that...

• 3:16:45Danny Jones?

  What does that have to do with Atlantis?

• 3:16:47Speaker 01

  It shows you that then the conversations that we then pick up with Plato, the temple priests say to Solon, "You Greeks remember one deluge, but there have been many, primarily of water and fire." And he then goes on in the Cretias to describe and say that this entire story is not fiction, but is based on a real story that has been recorded in the temple. What I'm trying to say is, if we get validity to who the temple priests were, both of them, that the temple was real, and we have all of that, then at what point do we then say, at what point is that information that's being told from Solon fact or fiction? Is it all true?

• 3:17:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:17:29Speaker 01

  Is the entire thing true? You see what I'm trying to say?

• 3:17:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:32Speaker 01

  It then makes it a real event, a real place, that real things were being described to him. Does it make any sense? Let's say, let's go the other way for a minute. There's two priests that we know are real. There's a temple that's real. We know they visited. That was all real. Why then would they meet up with people like that and then tell them a bunch of bullshit? Or not tell us anything like they said at all? If he made the whole thing up, then what did they actually say? More importantly, maybe that is what they said, is what I'm trying to say, is at what point does it become them talking about something that they didn't even say that became like an allegorical myth

• 3:18:12Speaker 01

  to versus something that Plato used as a real world comparison example of a civilization that became corrupted?

• 3:18:20Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:18:21Speaker 01

  As an example against another civilization, which then implies, and we have evidence archaeologically to prove it, that Greece had a proto-civilization before.

• 3:18:33Speaker 01

  He calls them the Athenians. Do you remember? In the, in the, in the Timaeus and Critias, Plato says Atlantis went to war against another

• 3:18:42Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:18:43Speaker 01

  democracy, another civilization.

• 3:18:44Danny Jones?

  An advanced civilization, yes.

• 3:18:46Speaker 01

  He uses the Athenians, the proto-Greeks

• 3:18:48Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:18:49Speaker 01

  as a model for a perfect society, right?

• 3:18:51Danny Jones?

  Right, but Atlantis existed, how, uh, according to these texts, how long before Athens?

• 3:18:55Speaker 01

  He only tells, he only tells us the date of its destruction. But he says that at the time-

• 3:19:00Danny Jones?

  But yeah, so, so its destruction was, was how many thousands of years before Athens?

• 3:19:05Speaker 01

  Well, Athens or pre-Athens. This, this is what I'm getting at, is that-

• 3:19:11Danny Jones?

  Well, we've excavated all the way down to Bedrock.

• 3:19:13Speaker 01

  Oh, we've found, there's a place called the Pyx Wall. Can you look it up, really? It's called, it's P-Y-X. It's in ancient Greece outside of Athens. I might not have spelled that correctly. No, no, no, no, it's, it's a whole wall. It's an ancient wall.

• 3:19:29Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:19:30Speaker 01

  P-Y-

• 3:19:31Danny Jones?

  Want pictures?

• 3:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:19:35Speaker 01

  I'm not spelling it right. Um, people are gonna, I'm gonna get blasted online about this. Um, there it is, there it is, right here. There it is, right here. That, that's the wall.

• 3:19:43Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. That's the wall. That is your pre-Greek civilization. That is your Athenian civilization. That wall has some of the largest stones. In fact, I think it's the largest megalithic stones in all of Europe. And the, the, the level of masonry is, is absolutely superior to anything we see in the Greek culture after.

• 3:20:09Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 3:20:09Speaker 01

  When they built after, they built with colos, like coliseums and different designs with limestone. The, this wall is right in, outside of Athens. And it is, it has not only massively perfectly cut blocks put together-

• 3:20:23Danny Jones?

  Right. Look at that angled one right there.

• 3:20:25Speaker 01

  But each edges has thr, has three levels on each corner, like that concept of three that we had talked about.

• 3:20:30Danny Jones?

  Uh-huh.

• 3:20:30Speaker 01

  So when I read about this Athenian civilization that is fighting against the Atlanteans, I actually take it as fact. And that what we're looking at is the reason why Greece flourished as such a democracy is because they preceded a much older and more ancient culture.

• 3:20:47Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 3:20:48Speaker 01

  That was there and most of what it built was destroyed and wasn't didn't survive. Being as proximity to the Mediterranean, it was likely a massive tsunami, probably destroyed almost everything that we had of that culture. And that wall called the Pyx wall may be one of the only things we have left to prove that that civilization ever existed.

• 3:21:07Danny Jones?

  Wow. Where exactly this wall is?

• 3:21:09Speaker 01

  Right outside of Athens. And if you look at all the architecture in Italy and around that area of Greece, that surrounding region, none of it looks like that. It's all called cyclopean building.

• 3:21:22Danny Jones?

  So you're saying so, so you're even though the, the.

• 3:21:25Speaker 01

  Those are all fit together individually.

• 3:21:26Danny Jones?

  Even though the archaeologists have excavated Athens down to its bedrock, you're saying that there was a completely different civilization that was built right there on top of it before?

• 3:21:36Speaker 01

  And very little of it survived. Very little of it survived. We're talking about tsunamis during that those catastrophes that may have been miles high, miles, completely obliterating everything. And so why did that survive? Well, that wall was probably in a really particular location and that maybe it was, it got kind of buried or something. I don't know, but it survived and there's no other architecture in Greece or even surrounding Italy that looks like that. It's like completely out of place.

• 3:22:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:22:03Speaker 01

  And it happens to be right in like next to Athens.

• 3:22:06Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 3:22:06Speaker 01

  So we know Athens was very important.

• 3:22:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:22:08Speaker 01

  And so that's where I get into looking at this from the standpoint where even though Plato may have turned those civilizations into an allegoric allegorical example of a corruption versus non-corruption and maybe based on a literal real thing.

• 3:22:23Danny Jones?

  No, I agree with that. I agree that the allegories translate into real life, like just like the allegory of the cave is very relevant to society today. And, uh, you know, I think the allegory of Atlantis first Athens, even if it was some sort of a hypothetical war game could easily have been modeled from reality and something that has happened in the past and can repeat in the future.

• 3:22:44Speaker 01

  Aren't most of those lessons taught to us through whatever religious texts or others are based on something real that then is a perfect example as a lesson to teach?

• 3:22:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Totally.

• 3:22:54Speaker 01

  Right? You wouldn't just create something hypothetical. It'd be based on something real. Which is why he had so many details of Atlantis. The rings, the rings, how many there there were, its location. And why in the Azores, we have what is clearly like conversations I've had, really good ones with Randall Carlson. Clearly as a submerged continent underneath there.

• 3:23:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:16Speaker 01

  The Azores.

• 3:23:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:17Speaker 01

  Which is exactly where Plato described the location of Atlantis being. And now we have just the volcanic tops of those of those volcanoes.

• 3:23:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:23:26Speaker 01

  And if you look like all you have to do is go look at Google Maps with aerial imagery and you can look at the Azores and see an entire sub, sub, um, subcontinent that basically sunk. Which is exactly what Atlantis is described as not being destroyed. It's described as being sinking underneath the ocean.

• 3:23:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:23:47Speaker 01

  And so if you have plate tectonics, like what is at the Azores at that location? It's one of the only places in the world where there are three plates that come together in one spot. You have the mid Atlantic ridge, the Atlantic ridge, others, they all come together, Eurasia.

• 3:24:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah. If you look at the, pull up the oceanic tomography of the Azores and like the surrounding ocean basin there. It's crazy.

• 3:24:06Speaker 01

  And so here you have a place where three plates come together right in one spot. And you have evidence of submerged continent and it's west of the pillars of Hercules. It has all the parameters. And so I think Glantis was likely a global civilization, but that location, the Azores, was where the city that was described by Plato was. Is the city, the central city, like for instance, if the United States was a country that covered a much larger area somehow and DC was like its capital.

• 3:24:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:24:38Speaker 01

  Type of thing.

• 3:24:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:24:39Speaker 01

  Like that kind of concept.

• 3:24:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Wow.

• 3:24:43Speaker 01

  Um, all you need to do is pull up even just a Google, you can just use a Google, um, Google Maps and show. Just go to like the Azores, you can see it.

• 3:24:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you can see that there, there, yeah.

• 3:24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go. Pull now pull up satellite for me. Yeah, don't zoom all the way in yet. Stay a little out for me. Yeah, okay.

• 3:25:02Danny Jones?

  Look at that.

• 3:25:02Speaker 01

  Go in a little bit. Now, look right in the center. You see that shallow, that entire shallow landmass. The darker blue represents deeper waters.

• 3:25:09Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:25:09Speaker 01

  And so lighter is shallower. And now, look, it's an entire convergence of where they're likely, that's

• 3:25:15Danny Jones?

  Tectonic plates.

• 3:25:17Speaker 01

  A continent that was called sank. And you can get that if you have a type of fault that's, that, that, that basically sinks and subducs.

• 3:25:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:25:27Speaker 01

  So it's called a subducted fault that can create a situation like, something like that, that can, that can happen.

• 3:25:32Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:25:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, there's a whole, you know, and as well, there's, there's theories out there that the eye of the Sahara could be the Atlantis. But, you know.

• 3:25:41Speaker 01

  There's some problems with that theory, though.

• 3:25:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's problems.

• 3:25:43Speaker 01

  It's like fourteen hundred feet elevation.

• 3:25:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and that whole part of Africa is like, super unexplored. Like, no one's ever been walked around that area, that reshock structure.

• 3:25:53Speaker 01

  It's, it's.

• 3:25:54Danny Jones?

  It's inhospitable. Yeah, yeah.

• 3:25:55Speaker 01

  It's a dangerous place.

• 3:25:56Danny Jones?

  It's a crazy, dangerous place. But, you know, it's just fascinating that no one's actually been there and like documented it on the ground. You know, people have flown over it, but.

• 3:26:03Speaker 01

  So why is there nothing left? Well, it looks like those tectonic events and what happened to it were so severe that nothing could survive. Nothing. So when, when people are saying, what's the evidence of Atlantis? I point to things like that wall I just showed you, to things like Iona's, to things like in Peru and Bolivia and Egypt. I think that is all Atlantis. It was just a globally connected civilization that was all sharing knowledge and was all maritime.

• 3:26:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:26:29Speaker 01

  They were all just traveling around, like, it was, the whole world was connected. But I think they were living in conjunction with indigenous groups at the same time.

• 3:26:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's like we are today.

• 3:26:36Speaker 01

  Exactly. Which is, like, you think about who the, the Inca were, right? Well, I think the Inca, like, they were only around for four hundred years or less. And we're crediting them as building with some of the greatest megalithic structures on earth. And yet they have very primitive building on top of this amazing stuff, right? It's more likely that the, what we think of as the Inca were actually a group that was living perhaps closer to like the Amazon rainforest. And that that area was not impacted, but the higher areas were, okay? And that that culture that built everything in the highlands of Peru were wiped out. And that the Inca were just people that wandered up there and then found it and then adopted and built their whole culture around it.

• 3:27:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:27:21Speaker 01

  That's what we may be seeing around the world in a lot of cases are civilizations that know that something is there that's that's important, sacred, and then build on top of it and try to incorporate a lot of it into their culture, but lack complete capabilities for how to build it.

• 3:27:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. And try to try to model it and reconstruct it in their own way as well.

• 3:27:42Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:27:42Danny Jones?

  Well, Matt La Croix, thank you for doing this, man. This has been fucking mind bending.

• 3:27:46Speaker 01

  I'll have to come back. I'll have to do the whole dead star thing with you, the whole binary thing. We'll have to come back and do another show, because that's another rabbit hole in itself.

• 3:27:52Danny Jones?

  I would love to do that.

• 3:27:53Speaker 01

  All right. No, I appreciate this conversation, Danny. I really like talking to you.

• 3:27:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course, man. Tell me, tell people out there where to find your work and your books, all that stuff.

• 3:28:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, please check out my website, the stage of time.com. My YouTube is Matthew La Croix and I'm on Instagram, the stage of time. We are, I'm in the process of editing to finalize the documentary. Yeah, thank you. To finalize the documentary, I'll be editing for a whole month and then we're going to be releasing it next year, Q1 or Q2. It's going to be huge. We had 10 experts from around the world join us, three archaeologists, Dr. Robert Schock, a geologist. We had Robert Edward Grant. We had all kinds of people join us. Yeah, thank you. And we went around the world to explore what I just showed you to find if it's valid. And we put a documentary together that basically asked the important questions needed, but rather than just telling people how to think, we just simply take

• 3:28:46Speaker 01

  everybody on adventure to all these hotspots, show all the connections, show all the evidence, and then ask questions and let people decide for themselves. But I'm hoping that in conjunction with my new book, that they are the things that finally shift this paradigm. It's long overdue.

• 3:29:04Danny Jones?

  Well, I appreciate your work, man. There's not many people who have the enthusiasm as you do for this ancient history stuff. So, so it's much appreciated, man. We'll link everything below and we'll definitely do a part two.

• 3:29:15Speaker 01

  Thanks. I look forward to it.

• 3:29:16Danny Jones?

  All right. Good night, everybody.

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