Ep. 819: $0 Tax Stamps and Mr. Bear Grease Himself | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Randall Williams, Seth Morris, and Cory Calkins interview Silencer Central's Brandon Maddox about all things suppressors and changes to the Tax Stamp in 2026, throw a Hot Tip Off, catch up with MeatEater's own Clay Newcomb, and help control the pet population in another round of MeatEater Price is Right. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's 9 a.m. for our friends in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, where Seth Morris tells me it's negative 40 degrees. Today is Thursday, January 8th, 2026. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my two friends and colleagues, Cory Calkins and Seth Morris. On today's show, we'll interview Brandon Maddox from Silencer Central about some big news in the world of suppressor ownership. We've got a sizzling hot tip-off for you. We're going to catch up with Mr. Clay Newcomb, who recently got himself a big old buck, and we're going to play a thrilling round of The Price is Right.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  But.

• 3:23Speaker 05

  Exciting.

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Before we get into that, Seth, Corey, it's great to be here with you both at a brand-new year. Exciting things ahead of us. How've you been?

• 3:31Speaker 06

  Oh, well, Happy New Year.

• 3:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, Happy New Year. Been great.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  Any fun adventures from the hog? Corey, I know you're on the mend.

• 3:39Speaker 06

  It's true. Yeah. Boy, the last time I was on the show, I had a big old blackout.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, you look good.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  Thank you. I feel good. I feel a lot better.

• 3:46Speaker 05

  You look fully healed.

• 3:48Speaker 06

  I, I, I, well, a couple of brain cells might still be in the woods.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  Some of the injuries are invisible.

• 3:54Speaker 05

  And foreverlasting.

• 3:55Speaker 06

  No, feeling a lot better, though. Thank you very much for asking.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  That's good. Seth, you have any fun holiday break adventures?

• 4:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, did some hunting. The, the nice little extension on the, the deer season here in some units in Montana capitalized on that.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, we've got a, we've got an extended season in some areas around the general vicinity of Bozeman because of an EHD outbreak.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  And you and the missus took advantage.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  Yes, we killed some does for the freezer and then did some ice fishing, which is tough to do in Montana right now.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 05

  You gotta go up to elevation to find some good ice.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  And you were telling me earlier that people shouldn't look for their ice reports on Facebook.

• 4:38Speaker 05

  Well, you can, but people are just kinda mean.

• 4:42Speaker 06

  They are.

• 4:42Speaker 04

  The ice fishermen are in bad moods right now.

• 4:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm in those same groups.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  The Montana Ice Report?

• 4:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  People are just, just, just, you know, nice guys going on there asking to see if there's any ice anywhere and people just light them up. It's ridiculous.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, go find out for yourself.

• 4:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  We shall be in the same boat here.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're all friends, guys.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 06

  Some folks don't want to drive five hours to have to just turn around because it's not safe.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Because someone lied to them on Facebook.

• 5:07Speaker 06

  Right.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Corey, did you get outside at all or were you mostly, uh?

• 5:11Speaker 06

  You know, I was kinda holed up for half of our break and then the second half, uh, I didn't get out a whole lot, honestly. Gained 15 pounds.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  Uh, did a little skiing, but yeah, it's kind of a dreary start to the winter around here. A lot of folks, I think, in the Rocky Mountain West are familiar with right now. It's, uh, very dry and warm here in southwest Montana. It's pretty sad. So the

• 5:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, the ice fishing's not really happening down here right now and skiing's piss poor.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, we went for

• 5:42Speaker 06

  It's a little depressing.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  We went for a hike hoping it would be drier, but we were, we'd gotten too high up in elevation and it was just mud.

• 5:51Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like mud season.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. They don't shot some ducks with, uh, I wanted to know how the, the suits live. So I thought, what better way than to spend a day with a CEO? So, uh, Ryan Callahan took me duck hunting, shot a couple of ducks.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  Alright.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Turns out that CEOs live just like the rest of us.

• 6:10Speaker 06

  Really?

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 06

  Can they shoot?

• 6:13Speaker 04

  He probably wouldn't want me to say this, but Cal kind of had a rough day.

• 6:17Speaker 06

  It's tough.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  I would say

• 6:19Speaker 04

  Especially when you're shooting a 410.

• 6:20Speaker 05

  Cal's probably not like other CEOs, though.

• 6:22Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 6:23Speaker 05

  He probably hasn't changed a bit and, and won't change a bit.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  I don't know. I text him the other day to ask him how his first day was and he hasn't responded yet.

• 6:29Speaker 05

  Oh, he's changing.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  He's changing.

• 6:32Speaker 06

  Was that eight days ago?

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Uh, no, Monday.

• 6:35Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  Officially on Monday.

• 6:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he's, he's a busy man. I'll, I'll hear from him at some point.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm sure you will.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um.

• 6:45Speaker 04

  What do we have? Do you have anything look like in the next month or two? Any outdoor adventures planned?

• 6:51Speaker 05

  Oh, we're going to Texas next week.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  What are you doing down there?

• 6:55Speaker 05

  We're gonna go hunt some bobcats and hogs.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Well, that sounds fun.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, should be a good time.

• 7:01Speaker 04

  You have a special guest joining you?

• 7:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, Kevin Murphy.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Hmm, the people love it.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  The, what do we call him? He's like the, the godfather of small game or the?

• 7:13Speaker 06

  Steve's coined him as the world's greatest.

• 7:15Speaker 05

  World's greatest small game hunter, yeah. Yeah, love that guy.

• 7:18Speaker 06

  That'll be fun to have him back on. Now, hunting bobcats.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, calling them in.

• 7:23Speaker 06

  Calling them in?

• 7:24Speaker 05

  Calling them in and shooting with shotguns.

• 7:25Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 7:26Speaker 05

  Call them in close.

• 7:27Speaker 06

  Cool.

• 7:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, down there in that brush in, in South Texas.

• 7:30Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 7:31Speaker 05

  Just getting like a pocket that's pretty tight and start calling and it's kind of crazy. Last time we did it, um, there was one stand we did where we called in 14 coyotes.

• 7:42Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  And, uh, I think 50% of the time, 50% of the stands we did, bobcats came in.

• 7:49Speaker 06

  That's incredible.

• 7:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Lot of kitties.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  Lot of kitties.

• 7:52Speaker 06

  And their fur is probably as good as it's gonna get down there right now, huh?

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, which is not great, but.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  I bet Steve will spend a lot of time talking about how the, the cats in Montana are better.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  Yes, yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 06

  Well, as a Montanan and a football fan, I'd love to shoot a bobcat right now. Co-Grizz.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Man, what a, what a game.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, Cory's, Cory's not a, Cory's not a bandwagon fan.

• 8:15Speaker 06

  No, not.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  Cory went down with the ship several weeks ago.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  Not like half their fanbase, but it was a hell of a game.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  It was indeed. Well, joining us first on the line is Brandon Maddox, the founder and CEO of Silencer Central.

• 8:31Speaker 07

  How are you gentlemen?

• 8:32Speaker 04

  We're doing very well. How are you, Brandon? Thanks for being on the show.

• 8:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, speaking of suits, I feel bad. I got one on today. I had a legislative event.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Well, you lost the tie, so you'll fit right in around here.

• 8:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, looking good.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  Um, so Brandon, we wanted to have you on. Um, as some of our audience might know, last week we saw a pretty significant change in the world of suppressor ownership or suppressor buying. Uh, but to fully appreciate that news, you kind of need to know how it all works. So I wonder if you can begin by just explaining sort of the basic requirements, um, and process and, and then also how Silencer Central, uh, makes that easier for folks.

• 9:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, sure. So of course, the laws change where there's no tax stamp anymore. So it's cheaper to get a suppressor, but you know, basic requirements are you got to be able to pass a background check, same as buying a firearm. It's basically a title transfer. We're asking the feds to retitle the ownership of the silencer from us to you, and we just have to have fingerprints and photos still from like a 1934 requirement. We submit it to the ATF digitally, they approve it, and then silencer central ships that silencer directly to your front door. So we know that's popular in a lot of areas where you don't have to leave the couch, you can buy a suppressor, it shows right up to your front door. So yeah, our process, think of it as we sort of own the whole process. So when you buy one, we're managing the paperwork for you digitally and

• 9:56Speaker 07

  sending you a text saying, hey, you need to sign this, or you know, sending a text saying, hey, don't forget it's approved, we're about to ship it to you. So think of it as a fully automated process through silencer central from beginning to end.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, and there's, I mean, as someone who's gone through this process more times than I'd like to admit, there's a lot of sort of boxes to check and your system just guides people right through it and kind of holds their hand and makes it relatively seamless.

• 10:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely. Because basically, we gather your information and then we put it all into the forms, then we let you look at it, make sure we fill it out on your behalf right. And then basically, you're submitting it with your own username and PIN, which kind of creates your digital signature, and then it goes right to the ATF. As soon as they approve it, we mail it to your front door from our location in your state. So we're in all 42 states where silencers are legal. We have a physical location, an FFL there. We just ship it right to your front door from there.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, the first time that I received a package from you guys, it was pretty surreal because I've done it the other way. And it's a lot of trips, you know, going back and forth to a class three dealer and doing the whole like.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  Whatever, approve the ATF submission, come back, go get it and all that stuff. So to just have it arrive at your doors is pretty amazing. You mentioned that the tax stamp, the $200 fee associated with the tax stamp has now gone down to $0. That was part of a bill last year and now it's effective as of January 1st. So basically, all the suppressors out there are now $200 cheaper in terms of like the end user out of pocket.

• 11:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  How has that changed demand in the past few, in the past week or so? I imagine that that business is looking pretty good for you guys right now.

• 11:47Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, you probably look online at some of the forums and the groups, the dealers will tell you the ATS website's crashing. You know, I'm pleased to say that as of yesterday, we're in real time for our submitting. You know, anyone that was in the system on December 26th of 25 got kicked out. They basically took anything that was waiting for approval and they denied it, so we had to resubmit it. So of course, we probably had a lot of people bent up demand, people wanting to get them and then waiting till the $200 tax stamp went through. But you know, we're real time in our submitting. You know, it's created a backlog of the ATF just because of the, you know, their computer system hasn't probably been able to handle the the volume as well as we had hoped or even as they had hoped. In some cases, we're having to submit your information, you know, 25, 26 times, but we're doing it digitally on the backend.

• 12:31Speaker 07

  So you're not having to fool with it. But I would say demand's up 3 to 4x.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Wow, dang.

• 12:37Speaker 07

  You know, in the last year, we're all sitting around going, how many silencers should we make? And how many should we buy and how many should we have ready to sell? And it was really a crapshoot, we were throwing dice. But now that we're in it, we gotta keep up with the demand. So we're continuing to buy more suppressors from other manufacturers and also make our own to meet the demand.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Right, and one of the bigger changes in the last few years was the reduction in that wait time.

• 12:59Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  I guess maybe two, three years ago, the ATF started processing those things in what was once like a 13, 14 month timeline down to maybe even a couple of days. And that's what got me. In the game, so to speak, and really made me want to hop in. So it's interesting that you see, and at that time, too, all of a sudden suppressors that you wanted were out of stock everywhere. So it's interesting how these little changes in the process of acquiring one can result in this huge demand for manufacturers like Silencer Central.

• 13:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, absolutely. Hey, obviously, it's exciting for us. Anytime you have demand and you're having trouble keeping up with your phone calls, you're staying up late to return phone calls, it's always called a happy problem. But you are right, small changes can create additional demand. I mean, Obama getting elected created huge demand. He made some changes in 2016 that created demand. So there's been a lot of small things. But I would definitely say, I've been doing this 20-plus years, and I'd say since the inception in 1934 when they started this process, this is probably the biggest change the industry's seen. I think it's going to create more acceptance. I think that more people using them are going to educate their elected officials, and we hope it's sort of a stepping stone to further deregulation.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, that's exciting news. You know, as I mentioned, there's probably people that are now maybe giving more serious consideration to getting their first can. What does someone need to know or need to look into as far as figuring out what product they want and sort of what do they, for a first-time consumer or first-time shopper, what advice would you give that individual?

• 14:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's a good question. So at Silencer Central, we sell everybody's stuff. So feel free to call us, and we can give you all the options that are available for what you're trying to shoot. I mean, there's two schools of thought. I mean, some people will say, hey, their initial sort of gut reaction when they start going down this path is, I would like to get a suppressor silencer that I could use on all my firearms. So they kind of go down that path of getting something probably too big, but that they could use for everything. Typically, my personal advice has always been, pick which firearm you shoot the most frequently, and then get a suppressor kind of tailored for that. And you'll find it to be so effective, it's easier to open your wallet to buy further later. You hate to buy one that's not perfect, and then you don't like it, and you wish you had bought one for the one you shoot the most. So my encouragement always is to think of the weapon

• 15:25Speaker 07

  you shoot the most, and then suppress it, because it's going to work better than you thought it would, and then it's going to open the door for you maybe to get further later. Just some people start the path of going down multi-caliber, wanting to get one that covers everything. I just don't want them to be disappointed. Not that they would be, but I just don't want them to get something too big of a hole through the middle, and then it's not as effective as it could be.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Right, and, and I like, there's, I, I remember reading, before I owned a can, I remember reading, oh, once you buy the first one, then you're, you're hooked and you're just gonna keep buying more and more. I'm in that boat. Oh yeah, that's true. Because I think, I, I had an idea in my mind of what owning a can would be like as far as just my shooting experience and my hunting experience, but it's really like surpassed, um, any expectation that I had of just like changing how I use my guns. Um, and how I hunt, like with a partner, with my wife, trips to the range and everything else like that. I mean,

• 16:20Speaker 04

  what do you hear from customers that a first time customer that gets their first can and, and how, do you hear from those folks as far as like what their impressions are and what surprises them?

• 16:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, I'd say you're spot on. I mean, it's, that's why I liked getting into suppressors. I mean, most people know my backstory. I started out as a pharmacist and people thought, why would you leave pharmacy to go into this? And I'm like, it's just so exciting because I feel like you really had to twist people's arms years ago when the silencers weren't as familiar to get them to buy one, but a hundred percent of the time, once they bought one, they said, I'll never shoot a, shoot a rifle or handgun again without a suppressor. So it's kind of a life-changing deal. I mean, people go from just kind of, you know, handling the sound, handling the recoil to now to have a tool to mitigate it. Um, it's a nice luxury. Once, you know, each of you all have seen it. Once you use it, you never want to shoot again without one.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, and, and this is, this is not in the scripture, but I'm just remembering, we did a live tour, uh, in the south in December and one of our guests at one of those events was, uh, Will Primos and Steve asked him if you could give your younger self, one piece of advice, what would it be? And Will, without hesitation, said, protect your hearing. So, I mean, it's, it's, it's a big, big, big deal. Um, so yeah. Brandon, looking ahead, I mean, we're obviously at a moment right now where where things are real exciting, but looking ahead to 2026, what's new on your end as far as the business or the banished product line or things that folks can look forward to?

• 17:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I'd say one thing is you'll continue to see more products come out for silencer central. One thing that's important is just weight. So think about the titanium options. The other thing we have coming out, and I know your audience is probably more consumers, but we also have a software that now we're going to have dealers where they can actually use our software to help them process the forms. So you know, we're kind of famous over the years for working events. You know, we work over 200 events a year. We sort of fine tuned our software to help sort of intake that information from the events we've worked. So now we're going to roll it out to actual dealers too. So you know, we know only about 25 to 30% of FFL dealers actually sell silencers. Our goal is to, you know, kind of double that, at least make it where half of people that have an FFL that are in the business of selling firearms also do suppressors. So we're going to make a software for them that's really cost effective and makes it easier for them

• 18:35Speaker 07

  to, you know, take the information in from the consumer and then actually process getting a silencer, you know, super easy.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Very cool. And you guys was sort of touched on this a little bit, but silencer central offers services beyond just simply the retail. I mean, you do barrel threading. Last year I did an SBR through your web interface. I mean, sort of it's a one stop shop if you're looking to make this transition as far as like getting what you need on the legal side and also getting what you need on the product side.

• 19:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, obviously, our expertise is the whole compliance side, making sure everything's done right. And I'd say that, you know, really last year, we knew it was going to be slow the last seven months of the year because everyone knew this $200 tax was going away. So we really doubled down as an organization to find ways to make us more efficient and also to add more technology to our processes so that it was just seamless for the consumers. So I think that, you know, even if someone's bought in the past, if they go through the process with us again, they're going to see a lot of areas where, you know, maybe things took a little bit longer than, you know, we both hoped. And now they're just so much smoother and quicker. Just we're really in a position where we're able to handle the volume and scale it up. And it's always hard when we are, you know, we've won E5000 every year we've applied. So, you know, you see that growth, but I feel like we really were able to spend six or seven months really focusing

• 19:50Speaker 07

  on the organization, making that technology and making it more efficient.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  Very cool. Well, Brandon, I know you guys are busy over there, so we won't take up any more of your time. Happy New Year. Great chatting with you and I hope to talk to you again here. Thank you.

• 20:04Speaker 07

  Thanks for the opportunity. You have a good New Year.

• 20:06Speaker 06

  Thanks Brandon.

• 20:08Speaker 07

  See you guys.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  Oh, boy.

• 20:11Speaker 06

  Oh, I couldn't imagine without a suppressor.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  Oh, they're so awesome.

• 20:15Speaker 06

  I curse it carrying around that extra length. I haven't delved into like cutting my barrel down.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, you just need to get a shorter barrel.

• 20:22Speaker 06

  Well, but I'm not that tacky.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  I'll take it.

• 20:25Speaker 06

  Or I don't have the need to.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  I'll give you, I'll give you guys number. Take it over there. I'll do it while you wait.

• 20:30Speaker 06

  For free?

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Nope. The steel barrel? Very competitive pricing. Very competitive pricing.

• 20:35Speaker 06

  No, it's not. B. Carbon.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 06

  No, all that. So, but like what I'm trying to say is like even this, the additional, a little bit of weight, a little bit of length. It's worth it when it comes time to pull the trigger.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I tell people, if they ask, like, they want to get a new gun, they want to add a rifle to the collection, I'll say, buy a can. Yeah. Cause you'll have a new gun. Like, it's a totally different experience.

• 20:58Speaker 06

  It does shoot different.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  And Sid, like, yeah, I mean, just like getting out and putting rounds down range, like, Sidney used to have a little bit of a, okay, I'm done with that. But you put the can on there and it's just like,

• 21:10Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  Practice away.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  For kids.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Oh, it's great for kids.

• 21:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, and Silencer Central just makes it so easy. Their website, the customer service, good folks.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, just do it, do it all from your house and then it shows up at your door.

• 21:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's simple.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  Great. Well, my hot tip would be to put a can on your gun, but we've got some other hot tips, Phil.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  How about that transition?

• 21:36Speaker 06

  Segments?

• 21:48Speaker 04

  Hot Tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice. And after we hear each tip,

• 21:57Speaker 04

  the, the, the audience will declare which one is hotter. That's correct. I will start a poll in the live chat. So keep an eye out for that. The script, the script had us making this judgment, but it's up to you, fair listeners. And this round's winner is going to receive our new I'd Rather Be line of logo wear with one shirt and one hoodie of the winner's choosing. Look at this, look at this shirt on Corey here. It says, I'd rather be hunting squirrels. Great shirt. There's another one that says, I'd rather be hunting huge bucks.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  Like so, like so. Pretty cool. And then one that says, I'd rather be trapping beavers. Big beavers. Not any big beavers.

• 22:38Speaker 06

  I think Steve had a hand in that one. Big ol' beavers.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  So the winner will get to choose one shirt and one hoodie from that line. Uh, we're really excited about these new shirts. Uh, they will be on the Meat Eater store tomorrow, January 9th. Now, if you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to radio at themeat eater.com with the subject line Hot Tip Off. This week, it's a battle of the Johns with John Murts versus John Foley. Take it away, Phil.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  John Murts.

• 23:14Speaker 08

  Hey everybody. Tis the season, early ice season. So let's head out there, right? Well, is the ice safe? Here's my hot tip.

• 23:25Speaker 08

  We're going to measure the ice with our chisel. You're going to take some electrical tape. I used white because it stands out better against my blue chisel. And you're going to put a stripe at four inches, a stripe at eight inches, and one at 12 inches. You're going to measure that off of the shoulder of the chisel here so that when you push the chisel through, you pull back up on it, catch the edge of the ice, and then read off the water line where it is. You can see if I've got my tape here. I've got my four inch stripe. That's thick enough for walking. An eight inch stripe, just good to know. And then a 12 inch stripe where you can feel a little more comfortable driving a truck on the ice. So I just broke through there. I turned the chisel sideways, pull it up. So the shoulder of the chisel hits the bottom of the ice.

• 24:08Speaker 08

  I can see the water level is pretty much up to that first stripe. So you've got about four inches. Therefore, we're probably good to go.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Because it's four inches here does not necessarily mean that it's four inches out there. So keep checking as you go and stay safe out there.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  Great editing.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  John Foley. Yeah. Is that you?

• 24:29Speaker 09

  Alright, what's up everybody? Got a hot tip for you.

• 24:33Speaker 09

  This one's been done before, but I haven't seen it done like this. So, uh, this is one of those things that when I do it, I just kinda thought everybody knew about it. Um, I know the common way to do it, um, getting the brain matter out of the skull is with a, a drill or a coat hanger or a screwdriver or a stick, uh, which works, but once I figured out this way or found out this way, um, I don't do it any other way. It's pretty quick. Um, all you need is an air chuck. Like this, this was like 10 bucks at Harbor Freight. Um, this is something you can pack with you and take with you on the road if you want. Um, all you have to do is stop at a maybe mechanic shop or a tire shop or somewhere on the side of the road to get you an airline.

• 25:20Speaker 09

  This takes longer to talk about than actually do. The bucket's not needed, alright? You'll see why in a minute, but you can do this with a trash bag. Just put a hole in it.

• 25:30Speaker 09

  You stick the air nozzle into the brain cavity. Set it down in there.

• 25:38Speaker 09

  It's almost too amusing. And that's it. Um, cleaned it out perfectly. Uh, see if I can see the aftermath in the bucket here. There's the whole brain, just a one quick blast of air and that's it. And my pup is excited because he'll probably lick up the extra stuff. Enjoy.

• 25:59Speaker 06

  That was good.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  That was a good one.

• 26:00Speaker 06

  Both good.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Both good. I trust the guy, the ice guy trusted his accent. That went a long way for me.

• 26:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  But I'm not an iceman, so I had to actually send that to you guys for your thoughts on how hot it was.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, Seth, you had a point that nobody's probably going to be trying to chisel through about a foot of ice.

• 26:18Speaker 05

  No.

• 26:18Speaker 06

  For checking ice this early season, I feel like that's a good tip.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Couple whacks on the chisel. If, uh, if you go through, it's probably. You know, I'd measure. Mm hmm. But, you know, like, what, two to three good chisels? And if the chisel doesn't go through, you're typically good to go. Hmm.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  And just a reminder to our audience, hop in there and, and let us know which of those tips is hotter.

• 26:43Speaker 10

  The poll is running.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Uh, you guys, how's, what's your preferred method of extracting or extruding? Whatever the proper word would be, brain matter.

• 26:53Speaker 06

  Big stick guy.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Stick guy?

• 26:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. But recently we had somebody on who put a tent stake in a drill bit.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 27:01Speaker 06

  Or into a drill as a bit and just rolled it up in there and turned it into mashed potatoes and then let it fall out. Give it a little rinse. But this looks.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's way easier.

• 27:10Speaker 06

  Cleaner.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  Usually I just boil it with the brain matter in there and then just.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  But.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  Cover myself with it when I pressure wash it.

• 27:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, get a little in your eye.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  I find that if I can do anything with an air compressor, I'm always looking for new ways to use my air compressor.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a good point.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Everybody, when a child is born, it should be given a small air compressor and a little air chuck like that.

• 27:33Speaker 06

  It's a great toy.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  It's a great toy.

• 27:35Speaker 06

  My kid loves to play with it.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  It's my favorite cleaning instrument.

• 27:38Speaker 06

  Ah.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  I wish I had a, I wish I had an air compressor like at every door to the house to just blow out the little sills and everything.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 06

  Man, for cleaning out your truck.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  But boy, that, the bucket is just such a nice touch.

• 27:50Speaker 06

  The bucket.

• 27:50Speaker 05

  The bucket with the hole in it is a nice touch.

• 27:52Speaker 06

  Which you're gonna need.

• 27:53Speaker 05

  You don't get, you don't get covered in it.

• 27:55Speaker 06

  You're gonna need that bucket to sit on.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, there you go.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  I like how amused he was that it worked so quickly.

• 27:59Speaker 10

  Yeah. He laughed, started giggling.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  His dog was pumped too. That's a tough one to beat, honestly.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 10

  Uh, and I'm just gonna end the poll now because the chat agrees with 91% of the vote. This was kind of an unfair, uh, head to head, I would say.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  I felt bad.

• 28:14Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  I, I liked that one so much, I.

• 28:17Speaker 10

  Yeah, John Foley wins.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  John Foley, congratulations. John Mertz, thank you for playing.

• 28:23Speaker 06

  I have a hunch he's gonna want the, I'd rather be hunting big bucks shirt, but we'll reach out to you and find out.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Thank you, John.

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• 31:01Speaker 04

  Alrighty Phil, it's time for a little bit of-

• 31:04Speaker 10

  It's time for listener feedback.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Listener feedback.

• 31:06Speaker 10

  Before we do that, would one of you, uh, please call Clay Newco?

• 31:09Speaker 04

  Oh shoot.

• 31:09Speaker 10

  Uh, because he said he was gonna hang out in the waiting room and he's been gone for about 20 minutes. So, I hope everything's good with him, because he is our next guest.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  We'll probably have to mule get out. We'll be fine, we'll be fine. We'll just do a little bit of extra, uh, audience engagement here.

• 31:23Speaker 10

  I'll call him. Leland asks, "How long do you guys screw around with a firearm that gives y'all zeroing problems? I'm having problems with one particular gun, but don't want to throw in the towel early? Ever given up on a gun, because it's not, it's not behaving?"

• 31:38Speaker 04

  Um, yes-

• 31:41Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  And no. I would say, I, I would say there's not really like a messing around. I'm checking things, methodically. Like, I'm, I'm putting a different scope on it. Make sure there's no issue with the scope. Before I do that, I'm checking the mounts, like, checking the, the, even, not just the rings, but the rail as well. I'm checking to see if there's any, uh, issues with stock fitment, to make sure that the stock is fully seated on, like, if it's a, if it's got a standard, like, Remington-style recoil lug, I'm making sure that's seated in there. Um, then I'm- Torque, make sure everything's torqued to spec. Everything's torqued to spec. Yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  You know, check that, uh, run a dollar bill or a couple sheets, like, receipt paper between the barrel and the stock, to make sure that that channel is open and free floated.

• 32:36Speaker 04

  And then, I don't know, I mean, it, it depends, like, is it really bad? Or are you looking for incremental improvements? Yeah. I think there's a lot of variables there to, to answer that question, but- How many different ammos have you tried?

• 32:51Speaker 10

  Ammo.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, if something's, if something's wandering, like, if you're, if your zero is wandering, it's an issue with your, your scope, or you're, or there's something mechanical. Um, but if it's just not grouping as, as precisely as you'd like, I, I would, I would start moving around with, try, trying different ammunition and all that. Um, life's too short to shoot an inaccurate rifle, so- That's true. Yeah, I, I think, I think the, the, sort of the process of nailing that down really depends on what you're seeing on paper.

• 33:29Speaker 05

  And how much you want to throw money, how much money you want to throw out?

• 33:32Speaker 04

  I'll value on.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  You could replace stocks, you could replace barrels, you could, yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  And is it betted?

• 33:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Maybe a good betting job.

• 33:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 10

  Brad Weber Bunny Hunter, your name checks out. He would like me to say that Brad has a group of friends that gets together to go rabbit hunting and they're, uh, every year they're doing it this weekend in northeast Wisconsin.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 33:53Speaker 10

  Love to have a shout out.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Holy cow.

• 33:56Speaker 10

  Good luck, have fun.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 10

  Enjoy.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Enjoy your season. Your rabbit hunt.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  That sounds fun.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Brad and crew.

• 34:02Speaker 06

  Best of luck on your gathering of the Hassan Pfeffer.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  I think it's just the Hassan, the Pfeffer is the pepper.

• 34:10Speaker 06

  Well, sure. Hopefully that's maybe on the list.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  What he's doing. Oh, I see. I see. Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 05

  Bring some pepper.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 34:15Speaker 06

  I don't speak German.

• 34:17Speaker 10

  Chris is wondering the, uh, the nitty gritty details of creating a fleshing beam. Seth, specific wood? Is there a particular method?

• 34:24Speaker 05

  Oh, well, mine, mine is a, uh, you know that, that like half log siding? That you side, side houses with? It's like one side's dimensional lumber, the other side's rounded.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 34:37Speaker 05

  My, that's all my beam is. It's that. And then I tapered it off on the end to a point.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Sand it.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  Sand it.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Treat it with anything?

• 34:44Speaker 05

  Make it smooth. Uh, you don't have to, cause when you're fleshing, it just gets saturated with, with fat.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. It's self, self greasing.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 34:54Speaker 06

  On a little winter activity.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 34:58Speaker 10

  Uh, let's see, we've got a question from Rob. He's asked, we've, we've had multiple questions in the chat asking me about, um, online store inventory. Unfortunately, I do not run the store. It would be a good, it would be good for people to kind of like keep us updated because this would be a perfect platform to be like, hey, this stuff's back in stock. Uh, Rob is asking about the gnome t-shirts. Most of them are sold out. We do have two there in stock. I'm not sure how many, uh, what, what the sizes are there, but, um, yeah, when we make something like the gnome t-shirts, we usually make a certain amount as sort of become like a special limited edition thing, especially with the gnome. Cause he's doing so much different stuff. So they're kind of, kind of like collectory.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  That gnome is doing a lot of stuff.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  He's a busy.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know. All I can say is 2025, last year was the year of the gnome around here. So we did a new shirt and a new theme every month. So I don't believe we're doing that this time.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  If something catches your eye, jump on it. Cause especially with those limited runs, they do sell out.

• 35:51Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 35:52Speaker 06

  They were popular.

• 35:52Speaker 10

  Um, then we also had a question about the hot sauce. You and me both, brother. My bottle's almost gone. I'd love to get some more. So I cannot give you an update about when the hot sauce will be back in stock. So I apologize. Um, let's see here. Question for Randall. This is from Evan. When researching for both the long hunters and high hunters, did you come across any records of color phase animals back in the day?

• 36:14Speaker 04

  That's a great question.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Not that comes to mind. Not that comes to mind.

• 36:24Speaker 10

  Looks like he's a bear hunter.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. The, the short answer would be no, but it's interesting. It wasn't really something that I was paying attention to. I mean, I feel like,

• 36:36Speaker 04

  correct me if I'm wrong, but color phase are relatively rare, like in the eastern half of the country when we're talking about long hunters. And then.

• 36:45Speaker 05

  Piebald deer are, I, I don't know what the stat is there, but it's pretty rare.

• 36:52Speaker 04

  But then, uh, those, those mountain men, they were just real fixated on grizz. They do describe grizz in a lot of different ways, like in terms of like the color of their, their coat, whether they're lighter or darker. But no, I didn't see any like chocolate cinnamon

• 37:09Speaker 04

  references. I, I'm sure, I'm sure there's a research paper out there with like historical references to color phase bears. I'm sure someone's done that, but not, I couldn't point you in the right direction.

• 37:21Speaker 10

  Cool. We'll do one more for this round.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  Do we have Clay on?

• 37:25Speaker 10

  Clay is, is, is on.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Perfect.

• 37:26Speaker 10

  He is waiting. I'll do one more question. That was from Nick. Question, how do you determine whether to use a guide service, drop in or go fully self-guided when going to a new destination on a tag? Uh, he says he just drew an Idaho elk tag and he's trying to decide.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Question for you would be, how much money do you have? And where would you like to spend it?

• 37:47Speaker 06

  And experience.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. Where do you want to go?

• 37:50Speaker 06

  I would, I'd hire.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  Oh, I guess he's going to Idaho. Nevermind.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  Get you a guide. If you're asking.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  I mean, it, it depends on, are you going on your first elk hunt? Are you going with anyone who has hunted elk before?

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Like I think it's, I don't think it's crazy to go on your first elk hunt without an experienced elk hunter and go unguided.

• 38:10Speaker 06

  No.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  Just assuming if you're considering, there's like.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Figuring it out yourself.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  You're going to learn a lot.

• 38:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's true. But you're going to, and you're going to make a lot of failures.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  If you're in a, if you're in a position in life, financially speaking to, uh, Go guided and you have a guide that has good references and you think will be able to really teach you about hunting the western landscape.

• 38:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  I'd certainly take advantage of it, especially if it's like something that you're comfortable spending that money.

• 38:41Speaker 06

  Right. Um, yeah, do your research.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  I think a drop camp, generally speaking, I would be leery of, um, because it's sort of, you're paying for something and then you don't have that person there with you to share their experience. And ultimately, like, if you do it DIY, you know, I went to this spot because I wanted to go there versus I just got dropped off there. Cause I feel like a, a, a drop camp can make you question your decision-making if you aren't seeing, or make you question the, the outfitter if you aren't seeing animals.

• 39:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. And if you do it DIY, you can always bail and go to a different spot.

• 39:22Speaker 06

  Right.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  And you can hunt that place again for years to come without, you know, feeling like that. Cause that's the other thing. It's like if an outfitter takes you somewhere and, and you hunt it, you don't want to go back in there on your own the next year. Cause it's a bad.

• 39:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  It's a no-no.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Most outfitters are going to give you a lot of pointers for that area though. So they're, you're going to have a massive leg up.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  Doing that.

• 39:43Speaker 10

  And yeah, Nick says no comment about the finances because his wife may be reading.

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Ah, good for you, Nick.

• 39:48Speaker 06

  Yes, good call.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Good for you.

• 39:50Speaker 10

  Oh, still got the hot tip off up. There you go.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Um, but yeah, good luck. I hope you have a, I hope, it sounds like he drew maybe, uh, this week in the Idaho non-resident drawn, might be planning his fall. So hope that works out for you. Joining us next on the line is a man who needs no introduction. You love him. We love him. He's a storyteller. He's a musician and black bears tremble at the mere mention of his name. Mr. Clay Newcomb.

• 40:19Speaker 11

  Hey everybody.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  Clay, welcome to the show.

• 40:22Speaker 05

  Claybo.

• 40:22Speaker 11

  Hey guys.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  I feel like we should clap.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. Do we have a round of applause we can do, Phil?

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Here we go. Hold on.

• 40:30Speaker 04

  Oh, there we are.

• 40:32Speaker 05

  He's just glistening with, uh, with, with big whitetail.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  I can just see it on him.

• 40:37Speaker 11

  Yeah. What'd you kill? A big old buck or something?

• 40:39Speaker 04

  Well, before we get into that buck, Clay, I feel like I just said goodbye to you in a hotel hallway at, at 11:00 PM in Dallas, Texas.

• 40:49Speaker 11

  That happened. We embraced.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  We did. We said, I said, I love you, brother. And then I gave him a big hug and we parted ways. Uh, Clay, how have you been? How, you recovered from the tour yet?

• 41:02Speaker 11

  Man, the tour was so much fun. I mean, it was hard to recover from it because like you come back and I mean, I love everything about where I live, but it, the, uh, the tour is like seven days of just a pure 24 hour day fun. You know, we're, we're with, well, especially for me and Brent who aren't in Montana and don't see a lot of people, you know, we're kind of isolated to, to be with the crew, to be with you and Steve and Yanis and, and all the other people that were there that weren't on stage, just a ton of fun. And then, you know, every night you're going to these events where clearly it's stacked with people who are excited

• 41:46Speaker 11

  to be there, excited about Meat Eater. And, uh, we had a great time.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. I loved it. And I, I think to your last point, you know, every now and then people say like, oh, this must be born for you doing the same thing every night. But like, it's actually very, uh, meaningful to hear from people that, that they're excited about the stuff that we do. Cause like right now we're sitting in this podcast studio and. Then we'll go on about our day, but it's really cool to go out there and meet people and hear their stories of how they got into hunting and and sort of how meat eater stuff fits into their life or shaped their experiences. So I really enjoyed that and it doesn't get old for me.

• 42:28Speaker 10

  Clay, was it was it hard having to play with amateurs and hacks like Evan Felker to accompany you for the opening song? After having me accompany you for the last tour?

• 42:40Speaker 11

  Phil, let me, let me start off by saying you were greatly missed. Holy cow. I mean, I was, uh, I was like, when I heard you weren't coming, I was like, what? Phil's not coming. I mean, Phil like made my, you know, our music act last year with his harmonica, just unreal. And then, so there was no other musicians traveling with us. And, uh, and so we did have, uh, Reed Bargneer of Reed's Piano News. He was with me three nights.

• 43:14Speaker 10

  Yeah, I watched videos of that and he, he killed it. I got, I got little pangs of jealousy watching him up there with you.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's great. Super fun guy. Great to finally meet him.

• 43:23Speaker 11

  He saved the day. I mean, it was, it's so hard for someone who doesn't play a lot of live music or any to speak of, to just step up six nights in a row in front of a big crowd and play. I mean, it was a challenge in my life. I tell people a lot of things that I do at my age, I'm comfortable with. Live music, I love it. It's like exhilarating, but I am not comfortable at all. And so playing with Evan Felker, holy cow. It was like, uh, I was nervous as a cat. I actually almost backed out at the, because we'd never played together. You know, he gets there a little bit before the show and we start playing and I recognize that my strum pattern is different than the

• 44:08Speaker 11

  waltz of the bird hunter, that the strum pattern of a, of a, of the bird hunter is different than me. And I'm not a good enough musician to really just compensate on the fly and be like, oh yeah, I got it. And so I actually just said, we practiced one time. And I was like, Evan, man, these people are, they would love to see you play this. Why don't you just play it by yourself? And so we kind of decided that he was just gonna open up. And then

• 44:35Speaker 04

  And then Steve got in there.

• 44:37Speaker 11

  Yeah, yeah. And, and you know, I appreciate what Steve did. I mean, I was kind of surprised, but yeah, Steve came in and he was like, y'all ready? And I'm like, man, Evan's just gonna do it. I said, I think I'm gonna mess the thing up if I play with him. And Steve was like, no way. You gotta get out there, man. You and, you and Evan gotta play. And so, oh, I'm so glad I did. Holy.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  And that was, and that was at the Fayetteville show, which was kind of your, your home crowd too, which probably made it extra special.

• 45:06Speaker 11

  Man, it was so special. Of, of all the shows, I mean, there were, the Fayetteville, the Fayetteville show sold out completely. And I mean, there were, there were all great shows with great people. So I don't, I don't want to say it was the best, but maybe in my opinion, it was the best.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  But you're saying it was the best.

• 45:29Speaker 11

  Well, I mean, we had Evan Felker there for crying out loud.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  It was a very warm reception from the, the, the, well, the, the Newcombe clan welcomed us into their home for a lovely lunch. And then, uh, yeah, it was, it was fun. Like it just felt like an auditorium full of friends and family.

• 45:45Speaker 11

  Oh, man, it was so meaningful that we came here just to give back to the community, you know? I wish we could have let them all in for free, you know? Uh, but so it was a ton of fun. Ton of fun.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Now, Clay, I could relive our, our rock star days, our rock star lifestyle forever, as you know. But, uh, we brought you here today because you have some very exciting news in your life. And folks haven't seen it on Instagram, you got a big old buck just recently. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

• 46:18Speaker 11

  Man, on, on January the 4th, well, okay, Christmas Day, a buck on a place that I have access to hunt, showed up and the, but I, I, it was one of those pictures that within seconds, I was texting it to, to my father-in-law, who I stay in close touch with about deer hunting, and a couple other people, and was just gagging over this deer. I mean, it was the biggest deer that I've seen on camera in a long, long time. And, uh, I texted it to one of my friends who happens to be a Navy pilot stationed in Hawaii named Forrest Teeter. And he goes, Jiminy Christmas. You know, it was Christmas night. I texted him. And, uh, and I was like, this buck will be named Jimmy Christmas.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 47:06Speaker 11

  And the deer just had giant tine length and, uh, he, he was super sporadic. I mean, I, I'm hunting over in the state. Well, I killed a deer in Oklahoma. I didn't just like, anybody that knows anything about this part of the world would know that because I said that I killed it over supplemental feed and some feeding a little bit. And this deer was very sporadic and it's very difficult to kill a big deer, a specific big deer over any kind of supplemental feed. I don't, I don't care who you are and it's a ton of fun. But this deer was super sporadic, came in the daytime, just a couple of times. Had some time, which was rare, and I was able to hunt four and a half days.

• 47:50Speaker 11

  And finally on January the 4th, I don't think he'll fit in the frame of my camera. My camera's not big enough. I'm gonna have to back up a little bit.

• 48:01Speaker 05

  Holy smokes. Look at him four. Oh, oh, he almost touches in the middle. Looks like a mule deer.

• 48:07Speaker 11

  But, uh, I killed that deer.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Unbelievable.

• 48:12Speaker 11

  22 yards with bow.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 48:14Speaker 11

  And the, the characteristics of the rack, I mean, I'm, I'm an official Boone and Crockett scorer. So, I mean, I, I truly value a beautiful whitetail rack. This deer is only 14 and a half inches wide. Narrow buck, but he has a G2 that's 14 and 6/8 inches long.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 48:35Speaker 11

  I mean.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  That's awesome.

• 48:37Speaker 11

  Just when you're analyzing a whitetail's rack, I mean, there, there's, there's very few deer that have a tine over 14 inches, you know? And so, I mean, just a, just a stud, man. And yeah, he's got a split, split G2 and. Oh, I I mean, I still can't believe I killed that deer. I'm still on cloud nine.

• 48:58Speaker 04

  Very cool. Very cool.

• 49:00Speaker 11

  That deer fell. You see the photo up there right now?

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 11

  Deer fell right there, like right. I didn't move that deer. I just, I just kind of resituated him about six inches. Fell right at the base of this big rocky bluff.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 49:15Speaker 11

  Just a phenomenal deal, man.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, he does. Like if I glanced at that photo and I just, the only thing I looked at was where his antler tips are and where the top of his head are, I'd guess it's a mule deer.

• 49:27Speaker 11

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  He's just so tall.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  Browed. Yeah. Yeah, he's just a dandy. Clay, is that your biggest buck?

• 49:33Speaker 11

  Hmm. You know what? I would have swore that it was. I mean, I actually sent pictures to people and was like, this is my biggest buck. But when we act, when we scored it, it it wasn't, which that's a good thing when you had a deer from years ago that was bigger. The deer scored one sixty-two and seven eights.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 49:53Speaker 11

  And so, and I I I killed a deer years ago, a little bigger than that. But, uh, it's definitely the the biggest deer I've killed in eighteen years, you know?

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Well, it looks like you were tent camping there too, which I always think. I always think if you want to crank it up to like eleven on making a hunt memorable, you sleep in a tent.

• 50:17Speaker 11

  Man, the place I'm hunting over there, it's so cool because

• 50:22Speaker 11

  I mean, there's no, there's nowhere to stay. We tent, we we tent camp when we go over there.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 50:27Speaker 11

  Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  And, uh,

• 50:30Speaker 11

  I was by, I was totally by myself. I was just hunting. That was kind of a unique experience. Usually there's somebody that I'm hunting with or or I'm able to bring a deer home.

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 11

  Share it with family. Uh, it was kind of, I mean, I was solo camping the whole time, which which was unique and, uh, but when I did kill the deer, there I did have a buddy over in that part of the world. Alvin, a good friend of mine that came and helped me drag it out and kind of celebrated with me.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  Very cool. Very cool. And your son Bear also killed a real nice buck this fall. So you were telling us earlier, he got to be the sort of the big, big man on the block for about six weeks.

• 51:20Speaker 11

  Yeah, it's funny that, you know, when it rains, it pours.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:23Speaker 11

  No, it was, it was, Bear killed a deer that scored 154. I was here in Arkansas, which is major. I mean, you know, like, I would say a once in a lifetime type deer for here. I mean, they, they grow them bigger and I figure he'll kill a bigger one one day here, but monster deer. And yeah, I couldn't let him stay on top for long, you know?

• 51:52Speaker 11

  Uh, no, I, I almost wished it scored 153, but he doesn't care. We, we're not competitive like that. He was so excited to kill this deer. And I was so excited for his deer. So.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, Clay, we appreciate you joining us and you guys must be doing something right over there. Uh, you got, it's been, it's been a good fall for you guys. So, you have anything else lined up or is that your last tag for the season?

• 52:20Speaker 11

  Well, we're actually going back over there.

• 52:25Speaker 11

  To, I'm going to try to kill a doe and maybe a hog. We're gonna, we're gonna go back over there in the next couple of days.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 52:31Speaker 11

  Bear's got a buck tag.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 52:33Speaker 11

  So.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  Cool. Good luck, man.

• 52:36Speaker 11

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Well, good luck to you, Clay. It's always a real pleasure to see you and hopefully our paths will cross here before too long.

• 52:43Speaker 11

  Great to see all of you. Seth, Corey, Dr. Randall, Phil.

• 52:47Speaker 05

  Good seeing you, Clay. Good luck over there.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  Say hi to the family.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Take care of that hair, brother.

• 52:52Speaker 11

  All right. It's a lot more work than you think, Corey.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  Clay, we can share some styling tips next time you're in town.

• 52:59Speaker 11

  Yeah, next time. I need some tips from you, Randall.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  You're getting there, man. It looks good. It's real good.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  All the haircut.

• 53:11Speaker 11

  I told my sign off comment will be, I told Brett Reeves that I'll get a haircut as soon as he starts hunting a plot coon hound.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Well, based on the conversations that I listened to while we were on the bus, it's not happening anytime soon. So you better get yourself some hair ties, Clay.

• 53:29Speaker 11

  Brett, you're gonna have to be embarrassed of your friend for a while.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  All right. We'll see you, Clay. Thank you again. See you, Clay.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Gosh, love that guy. Oh, he's the best. Just a gem.

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• 55:34Speaker 04

  I almost feel like we should just end the show there. But we've got another great segment.

• 55:39Speaker 06

  We're not done.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Our next segment is The Price is Right.

• 55:44Speaker 10

  Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana, Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 15 minutes. It's The Price is Right. Seth Morris, come on down. Corey Kalkins, come on down. You're the first two and only contestants on Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Randall Williams.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  Now this game's real simple. Phil's gonna tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer is gonna get a real, real nice shout out from Phil. Alright, we've got three exciting products for today's show. Phil, why don't you tell us about the first item up for bid?

• 56:46Speaker 10

  Clay's block. Fortunately not. It's never too early to start planning next year's holiday surprise.

• 56:54Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 56:54Speaker 10

  And what better way to tell your loved ones exactly how you really feel about them than with a genuine deer scrotum Christmas ornament? That's right, actual deer balls. A pair of genuine buck nuggets that have been meticulously preserved and transformed into tasteful holiday decor. Comes ready to hang, just like it did between the rear legs of a big ol' Arkansas whitetail. Perfect for the outdoorsman who appreciates that every part of the deer deserves honor, including, especially, Bambi's family jewels. This gives the old adage, waste not, want not, a whole new meaning.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  Deck the halls with buck balls. How much is it gonna cost to hang a pair of buck nuts on your tree?

• 57:34Speaker 06

  You get one set of nuts, like one scrotum?

• 57:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's just per scrote. You'll get a pair and the satchel.

• 57:42Speaker 06

  That's brilliant, really.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 06

  And then after Christmas, you can hang them from the back of your truck.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  Afterwards, I'll share this, uh, I'll share this guy's contact info with you.

• 57:50Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's marketing them on Facebook.

• 57:53Speaker 06

  Facebook, huh? That, uh, helps me think.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Locally? No. Arkansas.

• 58:00Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Really? Yeah. Yeah, I was looking for weird stuff on Facebook Marketplace. They said, why don't we begin in Arkansas? I wonder where he gets all his buck scrotas at? I don't know. The Newcomb family could probably help him with a few. Yeah, that's true.

• 58:13Speaker 06

  Man, down south.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  Corey, you still thinking? Do you have a guess?

• 58:17Speaker 06

  Nope, I'm done thinking for the day.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  Alrighty. Seth, your answer is?

• 58:25Speaker 04

  Thirty-seven fifty.

• 58:26Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  Corey, your answer is?

• 58:28Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Nine ninety-nine.

• 58:31Speaker 10

  Oh, wow. Wildly different.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. Phil?

• 58:36Speaker 10

  Well, the actual price of the item without, well.

• 58:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't write down the price for myself, so I'm gonna rely on you to judge this.

• 58:42Speaker 10

  The price of the ornament is thirty dollars, making Corey our winner of the round if we're going with the rules of this game show.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, as you should. You can't bust.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  Phil, who's closest in the chat there?

• 58:57Speaker 10

  We had a couple people. Here we had Pop-a-Medic, guess twenty-nine ninety-nine. Uh, Absolute Mechanical Solutions, guess twenty-nine dollars.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  I love that name.

• 59:04Speaker 10

  There might have been a couple more in there as well.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  Oh, love that. Love that. Phil, what's next? What's next up for auction today?

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Forgot you can't go over.

• 59:15Speaker 10

  Uh, let's see. It's a full case of Doc's Catfish Dipbait. Extra stiff, blood added. That's four glorious gallons of the most ungodly smelling substance known to mankind. We're talking about a concoction so pungent, so magnificently revolting, that it makes the boat launch vault toilet smell like a Yankee candle. And not only is this stuff strong, it's got staying power. Your wife will make you sleep in the garage. This will permanently decrease the resale value of your truck. Your neighbors will call the HOA thinking something died in your yard, and they're not wrong, because something did die and Doc cooked it into catfish crap cocaine. Four gallons means you'll have enough to stink up every river in the county. Doc's Catfish Dipbait.

• 59:56Speaker 10

  I'm gonna restart there. Ducks catfish debate because of catching old Mr. Whiskers means smelling like you crawled out of a swamp monster's colon, then by God, you better be all in.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Now, I'm seeing some guesses in the chat here, and I want to reiterate a point in that read. This is four gallons. Yeah, I saw 12 ounces.

• 1:00:17Speaker 10

  Yeah. Oh, yes, I just a picture. Yeah, this is four gallons.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, you see that? You see that little thing? You think you're not getting a lot of stink, but we're talking about four gallons. That's a full case. So think about how much a gallon of stink bait would cost and then multiply it by four.

• 1:00:32Speaker 06

  That's for the serious angler, isn't it?

• 1:00:35Speaker 10

  Oh, we had our producer Jake chime in in the chat and say waste nut, want nut.

• 1:00:42Speaker 10

  Solid Jake, very good.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  Oh, that's good. That's good.

• 1:00:45Speaker 06

  Man, four?

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  What does it cost?

• 1:00:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, careful. Don't go over.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  I mean, the price, everything's going up these days.

• 1:00:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. Looks like spaghetti.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  I think stink bait's no exception.

• 1:01:03Speaker 06

  I think you're trying to help us there.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  They make a worm that you dunk in and then the scent milks off the worm.

• 1:01:09Speaker 06

  Wow. Maybe you need to get some of this.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  You guys got your answers there?

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, let's roll.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Seth Morris says $65. Cory Calkins says $75.

• 1:01:22Speaker 10

  Oh, well, with a price of $187, our winner again is Cory Calkins. Domination. Mmm, dang.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Boy, we could end it there with a Seth Morris or Cory Calkins victory, but Phil, we've got one more prize.

• 1:01:39Speaker 10

  We sure do, Randall. It's portable heating hunting seat tree stand hunting heating seat, USB comfort foldable heating seat from Timu. That's right, the same company that brings you $3 electronics and designer handbags held together by prayers and glue is now in the business of putting lithium batteries directly beneath your most precious ass-ettes. Why suffer through cold mornings in your tree stand with non-incendiary insulation when you could be sitting on a potentially combustible device manufactured by the lowest bidder? Just crank this bad boy up to its high setting of 149 degrees Fahrenheit and see what happens. 149? Features include: a battery pack of mysterious origin, heating elements that could legally be used in residential construction, and instructions that have been jammed through a free translation app.

• 1:02:23Speaker 10

  If you've ever driven past a burnt-up mobile home and thought, "That would make a hell of a deer blind," your dreams are one trans-Pacific shipping container away from reality. That was... Randall, these are all good, that was my favorite.

• 1:02:35Speaker 06

  Who wrote that? Is this all Randall? Oh, Phil, you're brilliant.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  I've been shopping on Temu a lot. Temu's got excavators for sale, I'm really interested in...

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  Oh my god, they sell everything.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  They got everything. Oh yeah.

• 1:02:49Speaker 06

  They're really trying hard on social media. Wow, so this has gotta be, um, dirt cheap.

• 1:02:54Speaker 04

  I like how ordinarily, you know, you see heat represented by like wavy red lines, but in that one, they have orange arrows that look like flames.

• 1:03:05Speaker 10

  Uh, I forgot to mention the person in the chat who got it closest was JayPalermo84, he guessed 172. I think that was the closest without going over, but I'm not positive.

• 1:03:17Speaker 06

  That's a catfish, man.

• 1:03:20Speaker 04

  Did we say Old Mr. Whiskers in that catfish bait read?

• 1:03:25Speaker 10

  Yes, we did.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Okay, good. I wanted to put that in.

• 1:03:28Speaker 06

  And this is the price on Temu?

• 1:03:29Speaker 04

  This is the price on Temu.

• 1:03:31Speaker 10

  This is the Temu price.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  Okay. God, it's gonna be cheap AF.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  It is. It's an electronic, you know?

• 1:03:41Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Lithium batteries, too.

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  Scary.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  You guys ready?

• 1:03:47Speaker 10

  Yup.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  Flip them over. Corey says $11, Seth says $1. Seth's the Timu man. But unfortunately.

• 1:03:57Speaker 10

  With a clean sweep at a price of $18.40, our winner today is Corey Kalkin.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  Seth, I know where your head was at, and I think that was the smart approach.

• 1:04:08Speaker 10

  I was hoping Corey was gonna go over.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  They'll have a sale soon. Phil, do we have a, do we have anyone nail that in the chat?

• 1:04:14Speaker 10

  We had a couple people guess, I guess $17.99. There might have been, I think it was probably the closest without going over.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  Well, gosh, that's fun. I wish, I wish my entire job here was just finding weird stuff on the internet and writing weird stuff about it. But unfortunately, there's other things they require me to do. That brings us to, uh, the end of the show, but we have some time for a little more listener feedback. If, uh, folks manage to get any questions in between their guesses.

• 1:04:47Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah. Feel free to, I don't have a whole lot flagged right now, so get some questions in and no matter how terrible and, uh, inane they are, you, they might get read on the show. Uh, let's see. Jake said, "Phil, was it you that said on trivia yesterday that you didn't like vinegar barbecue sauce?" I would never say that because vinegar-forward barbecue sauce is my favorite. I love that tang. Give me the tang. I like tang over sweet. Um, I don't remember who said that, but someone was really pushing ketchup. Was that Seth? No, I like, I'm with you, Phil. Okay.

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  I like it all.

• 1:05:18Speaker 10

  Right on.

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  The only thing I don't really like that much is, uh,

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  Alabama white barbecue sauce.

• 1:05:24Speaker 10

  Oh.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  It's not like an everyday thing for me, but every now-

• 1:05:28Speaker 10

  Comeback sauce? Is that like another?

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  A couple of times a year, I'll eat like a half chicken with that, but it's not like a staple of the pantry.

• 1:05:35Speaker 10

  I agree. Uh, Shania says, "My husband and I love watching your guys' trivia show. We are currently headed to Colorado from Wisconsin to hunt buffalo." With a suppressor. Great. What's your favorite thing to make with buffalo? Hmm. Randall, you've got some recent experience in this.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Well, the short answer is everything. Um.

• 1:05:56Speaker 10

  Dipoui.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  We, my least favorite thing to eat is dipoui.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  Man, I think the first thing we made with the buffalo was we did, uh, we made some tartare with the, uh, with the, uh, the heart.

• 1:06:14Speaker 10

  Hmm.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  And then, uh, yeah, I mean, burgers. We've eaten a lot of burgers. We eat a lot of steaks. We eat a lot of roasts. We eat a lot of, uh, we're making good beef stew, uh, like any beef stew recipe. I'm doing a lot of stew experiments with some of the larger roasts. But you're not gonna, unless you shoot, like an old, old, old, ancient animal. Uh, we, we shot a, Sydney shot a one and a half year old and, uh, man, there hasn't been a bite off that buffalo that I haven't enjoyed.

• 1:06:47Speaker 10

  Hmm. Sounds delicious.

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  Thoughts?

• 1:06:49Speaker 06

  I'm sure you can't go wrong with any of it. Yeah, depending on how old it is.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'd be, basically do anything with it that, you know, you would,

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  do with any other,

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 05

  red meat animal.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  Exactly. We, I mean, it's, it's a pretty, I wouldn't say it's a close substitute to beef, but I, we just sort of treat it like the closest thing to beef that you get from a game animal. And man, we haven't gone wrong with anything.

• 1:07:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:12Speaker 10

  Nice.

• 1:07:13Speaker 06

  The heart's usually my favorite part and I can only imagine the size of that.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a big boy.

• 1:07:17Speaker 06

  Ticker.

• 1:07:17Speaker 04

  It's a big boy.

• 1:07:18Speaker 06

  Enjoy that.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Good luck on that hunt.

• 1:07:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  I, uh, I wish I was hunting buffalo right now.

• 1:07:23Speaker 10

  Seth says, uh, shout out to Seth and his wife Kelsey. My name is Seth and my wife's name is also Kelsey. Whoa. There you go. You guys should meet up and grab lunch somewhere.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  Small world.

• 1:07:32Speaker 10

  Yeah. Uh, we had Mogor ask about how my production of the Christmas Carol went. It went very well, Mogor.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  It did. It was great.

• 1:07:38Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, I was there.

• 1:07:39Speaker 10

  It was fun.

• 1:07:41Speaker 10

  Uh, let's see. Uh, we've got more demand for Meat Theater from Colby. We'll see about that.

• 1:07:47Speaker 04

  Hmm. Yeah, that is a good idea. I'm gonna write that down. Meat Theater.

• 1:07:52Speaker 10

  We've, we've got the Meat Theater crew in here right now. Oh, we should have done it. Dang.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  We'll do it again. We'll do it again. We should do it. We should do it to Yanis without telling him that we're gonna do it.

• 1:08:02Speaker 10

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  He would hate Meat Theater so much.

• 1:08:05Speaker 10

  He'd get that. His face would turn red and he'd get that permanent grin he gets when he's uncomfortable. Phil, you'd have to do the thing that this camera just zoomed in on, on Yanni's face while Randall was doing his thing.

• 1:08:17Speaker 10

  Uh, Alexander Miller. Any good books lately? You guys reading anything?

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  I've been out of a book phase recently. I've been in a hard book phase recently. Tell you what, Alexander. Uh, I reread a classic. The Breaks of the Game by David Halberstam, which tells the story of the Portland Trail Blazers in the late 70s as the franchise fell apart after, uh, Bill Walton left once they won the title. After that, I read a book called Ends of the Earth by Neil Schubin, uh, who's a Arctic researcher, uh, Arctic, I should say a polar researcher. A lot of it's about Antarctica as well, which I realized I don't know anything about. Yeah. What, what do you think the elevation of the South Pole is?

• 1:09:01Speaker 10

  Hmm.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Probably higher than what we think.

• 1:09:04Speaker 10

  Man, yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  And how high do you think it is?

• 1:09:06Speaker 10

  Antarctica is massive.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  It's over 9,000 feet.

• 1:09:10Speaker 10

  Oh, God.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Isn't that wild? I just pictured the whole thing being a few feet above sea level. Oh, you gotta, you gotta read this book. And then after, uh, after I finished that, I was just telling Phil the other day, I'm reading a book by Jeff Pearlman. It was published last year called Only God Can Judge Me: The Many Lives of Tupac Shakur. Oh, nice. It's a biography of, uh, the, the hip hop legend Tupac Amaru Shakur. And it goes from his childhood until his untimely death in a shooting in Las Vegas.

• 1:09:40Speaker 10

  Hmm. Listening to a bit of Tupac. I just started the book Lewis and Clark Pioneering Naturalists. Santa brought me that one.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Oh, cool.

• 1:09:48Speaker 10

  Seeing it, the little, uh, like...

• 1:09:51Speaker 06

  Start to finish, uh, by, by chapter from starting in St. Louis all the way to the, to the west coast, uh, just kind of their, um, what they saw as far as animals and plants and, and what they jotted down. Cause Mr. Thomas Jefferson, that was one of his major goals was for those guys to jot down a lot of, uh, the fauna and, uh, flowers that they saw along the way.

• 1:10:14Speaker 04

  I don't think you can, uh, this is gonna be a gross overstatement. I don't think I can get enough Lewis and Clark.

• 1:10:19Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  I find Lewis and Clark, the whole, everything about it to be endlessly fascinating.

• 1:10:24Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  To have like such a unique moment in time and then to have it so thoroughly documented.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  I, uh, I've been picking away at Planesman of the Yellowstone.

• 1:10:37Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  Which has been a good one.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  It's a Rinella classic. We should have a little.

• 1:10:40Speaker 05

  I got that one for me.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  We, we should have like a little library of re, reprints called Steve Rinella's Literary Classics.

• 1:10:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  And they're just all, Steve can provide a commentary. Phil, what about you? What have you been reading?

• 1:10:53Speaker 10

  I actually, I'm reading a book called The Will of the Many by Jamie, James Islington. It's a, it's a fantasy book that I wasn't really into the first 50 pages, but now it's getting twisty and thick and, uh, I'm enjoying it quite a bit. I'm switching off between that and my third playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3 featuring Dr. Randall the Bard.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Hmm. Yeah, Phil, we gotta talk games.

• 1:11:13Speaker 10

  Yeah, we do.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  Verizon finally sent me my free Nintendo Switch.

• 1:11:17Speaker 10

  I'm thrilled.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  I've been, I've been exploring Hyrule. I'm back in my Zelda phase.

• 1:11:22Speaker 10

  Oh, I love it so much.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:11:24Speaker 10

  Randall told me he ordered a Pro Controller the other day, which just, just lit me up.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  I'm attacking, uh, Boblicans. Is that what they're called?

• 1:11:31Speaker 10

  Yeah, the cobbles. That's another, yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Oh, man, I had so much fun.

• 1:11:34Speaker 10

  We gotta find some multiplayer game we can play together and I'll maybe stream it together. I think the, I think the audience would like.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Once I'm better at 2K, the world better watch out. All right, gang, unless you got anything else.

• 1:11:45Speaker 10

  Yeah, I think it's good.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  Uh, we can pull the plug on this grandmother and shut her down.

• 1:11:50Speaker 06

  Well done.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Alrighty. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We love you. We appreciate you. Happy New Year and we will see you here next week, same time, same place. Good night.

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