NOBODY WANTS THIS (Kristen Bell, Adam Brody, Justine Lupe, Jackie Tohn, Timothy Simons)

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  I've never seen the OC. I've never seen it. I don't think my wife has.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  I haven't. I haven't either.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  What? Good.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  He's never seen Veronica Mars.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Not good. It's bad. As far as I knew, this guy was hitting hard in his first job. Last year, I was, wow, this Adam kid's going places. This bearded late bloomer is amazing.

• 0:52Speaker 04

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now.

• 1:01Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused, and this is a big one. A very, very lively, fun event with a cast, the creators of Nobody Wants This. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast, listening or watching, spreading the good word of what we're doing over here, Happy Sad Confused. This is a unique one, to say the least, because this was a live event, and this was a live event for a show that is much-loved, with a fanbase that comes out in force and is loud and proud and excited. So strap in, this is a really cool, fun event. Nobody Wants This, the show on Netflix, returning for a second season. Before we get to that, the main event, quick reminder, as always, patreon.com/happysadconfused.

• 1:43Josh Horowitz?

  If you subscribe over there, you get the early access. You get to see and watch this before anybody else. You get the bragging rights. You also get early access to live events, discount codes, and autographed merch, and all sorts of cool stuff. So please, support us over there, because it helps us make more stuff over here. I know I say it every week, but it really, it means a lot. Patreon.com/happysadconfused.

• 2:06Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, a little more context, not that you need it for this. You all know Nobody Wants This, this is the show that became a phenomenon in its first season on Netflix. It is back in a second season. I've watched it all already, maybe you have too. Adam Brody, Kristen Bell, Jackie Tone, Justine Lupe, Timothy Simons, all joined me onstage at the 92nd Street Y alongside some of the creatives behind the scenes. And I had a sense of this about a year or so ago when I did a Q and A for this at a much smaller venue. And I was shocked, I knew the show had a following, but the fans came out and sure enough, they came out again at 92nd Street Y in a very large venue.

• 2:51Josh Horowitz?

  You're gonna feel the electricity in the room and such a fun bunch. I love this cast, I've done a lot with them, some of them I go way back with, some are newer friends and they're just a fun group to chat with, about a fun show, a heartwarming show, a show that people really connect with. So, without any further ado, enjoy the magic of a special night at the 92nd Street Y with the cast and creatives of Nobody Wants This.

• 3:20Josh Horowitz?

  Hi, everybody! How's it going? Oh, look at you beautiful people. Hi, welcome to the 92nd Street Y, guys. You having fun yet? Good, good. My name's Josh Horowitz, I host the podcast called Happy Second Fused, you're inside of it right now, whether you knew that or not, you're in my podcast, welcome. You are also among the first in the world to see the first two episodes of the new season of Nobody Wants This, did you enjoy? It was only about a year ago that this show kinda came out of nowhere and now here we are.

• 3:59Josh Horowitz?

  Emmy nominations, Golden Globe nominations, Critics' Choice Awards, endless memes, hot priest, hot rabbi, I got it wrong, hot rabbi Halloween costumes, I mean, this show really penetrated the zeitgeist like few shows have. And I'm so excited that we're gonna be talking about some new episodes with these guys. We have a lot of seats to fill tonight, guys. Are you ready for this? Should I introduce them? Yeah! Okay. Please make them feel welcome. We have with us executive producer and co-showrunner, it's Bruce Eric Kaplan, come on out, Bruce. Please give a warm welcome to executive producer and co-showrunner Jenny Connor is here. Jenny?

• 4:41Josh Horowitz?

  The creator of the show and executive producer, it's Erin Foster, of course. Jackie Tone, you know her, you love her. Jackie, come on out. That tall drink of water that is Timothy Simons, make him feel welcome, everybody. Justin Loop, come on out. Come on. We have this guy that goes by the name of Adam Brody? Adam Brody is here.

• 5:25Josh Horowitz?

  And she is, of course, Joanne, executive producer. It is the one and only Kristen Bell, everybody. Give it up.

• 5:38Speaker 07

  Should we start chanting "Fashion Hat"?

• 5:41Josh Horowitz?

  Fashion Hat. Fashion Hat.

• 5:44Speaker 07

  You always know Tim's gonna be down for the bit.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  I didn't think anyone would notice.

• 5:50Josh Horowitz?

  800 people noticed, Kristen. Welcome, guys. Congratulations. We're hours away, as we tape this, from the launch of season two. How you feeling? Feeling the energy? Feeling the love? We're a go for launch. We feel good. You feel good. Feeling confident? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Too confident. Too confident. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right. Talk to me a little bit about... Okay, let's look back at season one for a second, first. When did you guys know this was gonna be something a little special? You had the experience of making the show. That's lovely, but you never know. When did you feel like, oh, this is actually hitting in an insane way?

• 6:27Speaker 03

  I can start. I never know how any project I'm gonna do will land, because I think you can do the best job possible, assemble, working alongside great people, and then ultimately it comes down to, like, the public's temperature, like, what kind of a mood Earth is in, and if they wanna see it. And so you just really never know. But when I started getting calls from the publicity team at Netflix about that they had given the first two screeners to all the publicists in July, or to all the critics in July, and our show came out in October, and the critics were coming out of their skin, they were coming unglued, they were like, "Well, we need three, four, five, and six, seven, eight, and ten, we need to see more, and we need to have more interviews with these people."

• 7:09Speaker 03

  Like, there was like a frantic nature to them beginning to put the press tour together, and I was like, "Oh, I don't know if I've ever been a part of something that people were this hungry to get more of," and I guess that was like a decent litmus test. I was like, "This show might be, might be really big."

• 7:27Josh Horowitz?

  I can personally attest to this, my wife is in the audience, we had the screeners for the first few episodes, and she was like, "Get on this, this is..." "Get me more, and you have to cover this in a big way." So, yeah, people saw it. But, I mean, you feel the reaction in this. I mean, I've covered a lot of films and TV shows. Like, I've covered Twilight and Harry Potter, that's what this feels like, that kind of fandom. No, it really doesn't.

• 7:56Josh Horowitz?

  Like, thirty-minute comedies don't necessarily elicit that kind of scream, Erin. I mean, this must be beyond the dream come true of a creator.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  I thought you like told them to do that or something when they came, when we came out. Very nice. I mean, there's no way to really know, I think everyone of us has worked on something that you think is really good, and that you think people are gonna love, and they really don't. And so it's, you kind of lose your sort of trust of your own instincts, and you're not making something that, it's like getting married, you don't think you're gonna get divorced, you know, you think it's gonna be forever, and then all of a sudden it's not, so... I mean, I'm, I'm married, and I'm staying married, but...

• 8:38Josh Horowitz?

  It's gonna be a rough season four.

• 8:42Speaker 08

  You go into everything thinking this could be it. And then when it isn't so many times, you just sort of stop thinking about that for myself, Elise.

• 8:51Speaker 07

  Truly every other time. Like, it's not even, I think that's what maybe like, the public, people don't understand. Like, I, as a, I'm absolutely assuming that most things are like, either never gonna come out, or nobody's gonna watch it, or if it comes out, um, it'll be, then it gets canceled. It's like, it's, it's rough out there.

• 9:13Speaker 08

  But also, to give you something specific from season one, there was a moment where I felt like there was something very special happening was when Joanne and Noah walked to the car after the dinner party, and that was a scene that we had used as an audition for guys for the role of, sorry, Adam, we auditioned other guys.

• 9:34Josh Horowitz?

  He is furious. I can see him seething over here, yeah.

• 9:37Speaker 09

  I didn't audition, just saying that.

• 9:39Speaker 08

  Yes, it's true, it's true, he didn't.

• 9:41Josh Horowitz?

  Offer-only Brody, that's what they call him, yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 08

  But when we saw the, um, that scene in the auditions, uh, I started doubting that it was a good scene, because it wasn't landing right. And I kept wondering like, ooh, I think that this scene needs to be cut, or needs to be rewritten, because it's just not landing. And then, it just wasn't the right combination of people. When I watched them doing it that day, it was, a light bulb went off of, this feels special.

• 10:06Speaker 09

  It's nice, when I was doing that, I was like, this might suck. But then, I saw it shortly thereafter, the rough cut, and I was like, this is amazing.

• 10:18Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, everybody here has had successes in their career. Is there a different look in the eye of a "nobody wants this" fan that approaches you, Adam, compared to somebody that comes up back in the day that was talking to the OC or something else?

• 10:30Speaker 09

  Rind, growing up radio, a lot of hits.

• 10:36Speaker 09

  Uh, a difference, I think the wide-ranging demographic, you know, it's like, before, even the OC, I'd be like, okay, that's an OC crowd over there. This, I've, I've, I was in Scotland right after it came out, and some field hockey Scottish girls came up to me, and then we sat down at a bar right after, and some 70-something Scottish people drinking whiskey, some guy, all men, said the same thing. And I was like, okay, wow, in Scotland, this works.

• 11:02Josh Horowitz?

  As Scotland goes, so goes the world. That's the saying, right? Do rabbis resent you or love you? Because you've set the bar unrealistically high for rabbis around the world now. You realize that?

• 11:15Speaker 09

  I don't know, but I assume it's mostly positive. They're into it.

• 11:20Speaker 08

  There is a girl who came up to my sister Sarah in Miami, and she's like, "I just need to tell you that my dad is a rabbi." And I grew up kind of embarrassed that my dad was a rabbi because it wasn't cool. And now, he is like, "I'm a fucking rabbi."

• 11:40Speaker 10

  Just so you know, there's at least three rabbis walking around the world thinking this is based on them. And like, one of them, you probably go to their synagogue because it's in New York City.

• 11:51Speaker 07

  What's really funny is I know Big Jew, and I know a lot of... Really? Yeah, yeah, right. I was telling Adam before we came out, there's not a lot of people that make me seem Protestant, but Josh somehow does.

• 12:05Speaker 07

  You're even Jewier than me. Anyway, I was just gonna say...

• 12:08Josh Horowitz?

  I was never bar mitzvahed, so we can end...

• 12:10Speaker 07

  Still.

• 12:11Josh Horowitz?

  I know. I can do that for you.

• 12:12Speaker 07

  It's a Kishkes...

• 12:13Josh Horowitz?

  Tonight, right now?

• 12:14Speaker 09

  I have that authority. I think I have that authority.

• 12:16Speaker 07

  It's a Kishkes thing, Josh. You're still Jewish. Anyway, I was just gonna quickly say that I can't tell you how many Jewish friends in L.A. are like, "Oh, my rabbi consulted on that show." And then, another person would say it, and I'd be like, "Oh, this guy?" And they're like, "No." I feel like rabbis were going around L.A. just saying they consulted on "Nobody Wants This." Dead serious.

• 12:38Josh Horowitz?

  So is it better to be the unexpected surprise, season one, or to have the expectations going into season two, Erin? I mean, this is a different experience. The first season, wonderful surprise for the world. Now, people are ready. People are watching. You know they're gonna be watching.

• 12:52Speaker 08

  I'm very... I'm really excited for season two because you know how invested people are and how much people care about these people and the stories. And I feel really, really good about what we were able to accomplish, season two. And season one, you have no idea if anyone's watching or if it's gonna flop. And it's scary, but it's so great to see how many people are paying attention. So there's a combination of a lot of pressure, you know? But I feel really confident about it paying off for people. So it's almost more exciting this time.

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• 14:52Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk season two, guys. We can talk, they've seen the first two episodes. Welcome to the world of Nobody Wants This, guys. Bruce Jenner, talk to me a little bit about the challenge, excitement, of taking a hit and making an excellent season two. You know, like growing out the storyline. What are the challenges of approaching season two?

• 15:13Speaker 13

  I'm gonna be completely honest with you. Wasn't that much of a challenge. I know it should be. And I guess in a way it is when something's a success. You want to equal that success. But what Erin created, what these guys did in terms of the first season, that's the dream. Like, you want to go on a show where you're like, okay, I know what these characters talk like. I know their points of view. I know who these actors, I know they can do anything. So in that sense, it's like, I mean, honestly, it is a dream.

• 15:47Speaker 10

  Also, you know, we got to just walk onto a huge hit show, so that doesn't hurt. Like, that worked out pretty great, so.

• 15:56Speaker 10

  And we came to it as super fans, you know, so it was really easy to...

• 16:00Speaker 08

  But they're making it sound easier than it was.

• 16:03Speaker 13

  No, no, obviously, we work really hard, but we, and honestly, we did, it was, literally, I've said this to people, in some ways, it was the hardest job I've ever had. But, because, for a variety of reasons, but...

• 16:17Speaker 09

  What are some of those reasons?

• 16:21Speaker 08

  You're like, "Let's make this panel juicy."

• 16:24Josh Horowitz?

  Problematic cast members.

• 16:27Speaker 13

  There were a lot of people involved before we showed up, and so, and all those people are important to this show, and we incorporated their voices, and it was sort of, you know, it was, it was...

• 16:43Speaker 08

  It's challenging when you're coming in and you're replacing some people, and some people are not invited back, or some people are asked to be quiet, and there's new people here who are sort of gonna be in charge, and they both handled it very well, because they're not egocentric people, and it's a job that you can really insert your vision, but they came onto a show with a creator who had a strong vision, and I was really nervous, and they handled it so well, because they weren't trying to make my vision their vision, they were trying to help support my vision and teach me how to do a better job.

• 17:18Josh Horowitz?

  Were you, is it helpful or, or not to like, see how the fans reacted to season one, and how they reacted to these relationships, and what they were saying about what they wanted to see, perhaps, in the future, or is that kind of where madness lies, you have to kind of follow your own creative instincts?

• 17:33Speaker 10

  I mean, I will say, for Bruce and I, or you can argue with me, but...

• 17:37Speaker 13

  We like to argue.

• 17:38Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 10

  We're Nichols and Met. No, but, but I would say that, you know, we learned on girls to not listen to a lot of the noise, or just read the good reviews, but like...

• 17:53Speaker 13

  I mean, for me personally, I really feel, with all my jobs, I work for the show, I work for the characters, I work for the stories, and so, that's, that's what I'm focused on, honestly.

• 18:08Josh Horowitz?

  So let's talk about some of the status of these relationships. Some folks watching this or listening to the podcast won't have seen the episode, some will, but give us a sense, okay, how are you guys doing this season, at the start of the season? What are the challenges? How are we, how are we looking? Still got the Judaism question. Well, that's still there? It's still there.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Maybe we tabled it? I felt like we took it off the table. That's lingering, I guess, but as far as like being emotionally connected, we're like, a, seeing that, still in the beginning, yeah.

• 18:38Josh Horowitz?

  Very much.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  But I think there's probably a lot of, you meet us with a lot of the anticipation of first timing something, right? Like our first dinner party, the first time I go to Shabbat, the first time you, you know, decide how much of the closet you can share. All those baby firsts where you have to realize that, oh, this isn't going to be a compromise because we're a we now.

• 18:59Josh Horowitz?

  Is Erin still a model for the character as much in the second season as in the first season? Or do you now have license to kind of, is she off on her own? You know, you've created this character.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  Tell me which one is Erin again?

• 19:12Josh Horowitz?

  Third from the left.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Third from the left.

• 19:16Josh Horowitz?

  Nope, nope.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  This one? In the burgundy. No, Erin is, is and will always be Joanne. She, her voice is so specific and it, I definitely feel like I'm trying to keep her as Joanne. I think the way I approach personally any character is that I make it 50% myself and 50% the characteristics I'm trying to play. And it was an incredibly easy job because I had Erin right in front of me. So I was able to watch how she walked through the world, how she spoke to people, the way she did her hair. I had like a file on my phone of her hairstyles that I-

• 19:50Speaker 08

  Yeah, I found that late in the season, it was really creepy.

• 19:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  And that, and, but it was also really fun to be creepy.

• 19:58Speaker 08

  Also, there was like one day where I was, I said to Jenny, I was like, oh my God, I love her outfit right now. She looks so cute and I love her hair like that. And she was like, you're such a narcissist, she looks like you.

• 20:10Speaker 08

  I was like, oh, I do wear my hair like that.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  But it's like tiny things, right? And there were definitely times on, in the first season, or even the second season, where like Aaron would write an interaction, and maybe it was a joke and maybe it wasn't, and I couldn't hear it, like when I was like trying to memorize it, and I'd go up to Aaron, I'd be like, wait, can you just say, just like say this out loud, whisper it in my ear? Just like say it in my ear, I need to hear like where your pitch is, where your tone is, what you're influencing. And she would, thank God, and then I'd be like, oh, that's it, okay. Because her writing is incredibly creative, and it doesn't always read on the page, it reads in real life. It reads when you watch these people interact. So she will always be my north star.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  800 people.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Adam, what do you know about Noah in the second season you didn't know in the first?

• 20:58Speaker 09

  About Simon, Aaron's husband?

• 21:02Speaker 09

  What do I know about Noah in the second season?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  What have you come to like understand now?

• 21:06Speaker 09

  He's going through the repercussions of his choice to be with Joanne at work, which are ricocheting back home, because it created quite a lot of upheaval. And then also, regardless of that, I think they are two different personalities, and occasionally, I think he questions her commitment and ability to commit, and she questions his. And so there's, you know, lingering insecurity, but at the same time, the guy's also very much in love. He's had over heels in love and having a great time.

• 21:39Josh Horowitz?

  Does, does Adam have control over his own facial hair? If he showed up to set clean shaven, would he be fired? Or does he have to talk to you?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Yes, he would be fired.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  I've said this many times before, I would freak the fuck out if he shaved the beard. Like, I love Adam in a beard. I've been very vocal about this to Adam.

• 21:57Josh Horowitz?

  Why is this so important to you, Tim? What's, just you, you like?

• 22:01Speaker 07

  Says the guy who dyes his hair like fucking Eminem without warning anyone.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  No, let's not.

• 22:07Speaker 07

  Oh, hi, I'm Marilyn Monroe. Okay, I don't know.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  I did just show up at a party with it, that is true. But I don't know, I think, like, Adam, I-

• 22:18Speaker 09

  Say it to my beard.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  It's beautiful. You're beautiful.

• 22:22Speaker 09

  Go ahead.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I love it on you.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I have never noticed if Adam has-

• 22:27Speaker 09

  I literally did it, did her Dax's podcast with her after the first season, and she's like, you had a beard on this show?

• 22:36Speaker 03

  It doesn't, I don't know why, I don't see it. Is it, do you have it right now?

• 22:41Speaker 09

  No, no, I don't have it right now. You're fine.

• 22:43Speaker 08

  You don't see his beard, but you have a file of her looks.

• 22:50Josh Horowitz?

  Coming soon, more facial hair, future seasons. Just keep growing it, just keep going, man.

• 22:54Speaker 09

  I would not hate that. I would go full, uh...

• 22:57Speaker 08

  I'm down.

• 22:58Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, are you?

• 22:59Speaker 08

  I'm down to go that way, the bear way.

• 23:02Speaker 09

  The what?

• 23:02Speaker 08

  I'm down for more than less, yeah.

• 23:04Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, okay, let's get one.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Great, you just go full rabbit.

• 23:06Speaker 08

  You have a deal.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  I know my crowd.

• 23:09Speaker 08

  You have a deal.

• 23:10Speaker 09

  Great.

• 23:12Josh Horowitz?

  It's a twist, he becomes Santa Claus in season five. What a, you never saw it coming, crazy. Justine, how's Morgan doing? Season two, status report.

• 23:21Speaker 09

  Sorry, just to jump back to the beard real fast, and then I want, you know that it comes from my neck. I'll never be able to have it fully in my cheeks if that's what you're hoping for.

• 23:29Speaker 08

  Okay, well, we're gonna have to see the shape and then we'll decide.

• 23:31Speaker 09

  Okay, fine, go ahead, sorry, Justine.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  I think that's part of the charm of the beard, though, is because it doesn't come in in the cheeks. And I do want to let Justine talk.

• 23:38Speaker 08

  I think you have to talk, you have to talk to all of you.

• 23:40Josh Horowitz?

  I have seven more pages of beard questions. We can do this, if you really want to do this.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  I'm okay with going there.

• 23:47Speaker 08

  Did you have a beard in the first season, Justine?

• 23:49Speaker 02

  What?

• 23:49Speaker 08

  Did you have a beard in the first season, too?

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:53Josh Horowitz?

  She was pregnant.

• 23:56Josh Horowitz?

  Status report on Morgan, how's she doing?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, Morgan's struggling, you know?

• 24:00Josh Horowitz?

  Aww.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I think Morgan just surrendered to acknowledging that she's losing some iteration of her soulmate in this romantic relationship, and it leaves her kind of in the dust going, "Well, where is my life, and what am I doing, and where is my guy, and how am I, am I okay?" And this season, I guess, is her way of like manically and frantically like coping and, and, and finding her way through that.

• 24:29Josh Horowitz?

  We can tease that among the guest stars is Arian.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:34Josh Horowitz?

  As Dr. Andy.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:37Josh Horowitz?

  Do we ever trust a doctor with a first name, just going by the first name? I feel like that's a, that's a real red flag, right, Erin?

• 24:43Speaker 10

  I wouldn't trust him.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  I don't love it.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  I have the same feeling about Dr. Andy as I have about teachers who make you call them like Mr. Tom or...

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Mr. and then their first name.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Or Miss Cindy or something. I'm like, I don't know, it feels wrong. And I feel the same way about the therapist thing.

• 24:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. All right. Stay tuned. Just watch. Watch that guy.

• 25:04Josh Horowitz?

  Some epic dancing to look forward to from Mr. Timothy Simons, everybody. Was that in your rider? Did you demand the dancing? Did you guys say, you looked at Tim and said, "We need to make this man dance this season"? How did this happen?

• 25:16Speaker 01

  I'll let you answer that one.

• 25:20Josh Horowitz?

  Wants to take the blame, credits.

• 25:21Speaker 10

  I will tell you this. We thought he wasn't gonna be great at it. And there was some comedy to be mined there and also, but in a great way, like in the way that was like, he's really trying hard. Like, he's making a commitment. And then we were like, "Tim's got moves." And it kind of made it even better.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  I definitely, it did help that the target was guy trying really hard and not professional dancer. Because I felt like that was a target that I could hit. But like, anything more than that, I think they would have been like, "All right, they're probably fine, like a six foot five body double, and we'll just shoot it really wide." But I think they gave me a target I could hit.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  I have to say, it's a very sexy dance. And I was with him when he was on set, and he had his two teenage 13-year-olds there. And they were like obsessed with this video, but they were also repulsed by it. So this was like, this really weird like give and take thing, like, "Show me the video, show me the video. Ew, Todd, gross!" Running away from the video. It was so cute.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  In the weeks after, I would just be in my house and Seven Rings by Ariana Grande would start playing. And I'd be like, "I'm being pimped into this dance in my own house with nobody asking." It would just start playing.

• 26:33Josh Horowitz?

  Who's the best dancer in real life among the cast?

• 26:37Speaker 02

  I don't know. We haven't yet to dance.

• 26:39Josh Horowitz?

  I've only seen Tim dance.

• 26:41Speaker 07

  I've only seen Tim dance.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Jackie, I have a feeling you're a really good dancer.

• 26:44Josh Horowitz?

  You're not a dancer at a wedding, Kristen? You don't get up?

• 26:46Speaker 03

  I can't. I'll get up and get down, but it's gonna be all over the place.

• 26:49Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 26:51Speaker 07

  Huh.

• 26:51Josh Horowitz?

  Huh.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  How are you as a dancer?

• 26:54Speaker 03

  I bet.

• 26:54Speaker 13

  There's only one way to find out.

• 26:58Josh Horowitz?

  Dance off. Here we go, guys. Um, Jackie, would you rather be two feet taller or Tim two feet shorter?

• 27:06Speaker 07

  Uh, none.

• 27:08Josh Horowitz?

  Pass?

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, none of that. Oh, I have to, have to? I'm horrible at these. Like, would you rather freeze to death or heat to death? Uh, heat, uh, freeze. Okay. Uh, I, would I rather be two feet, definitely Tim two feet shorter, because what do I give a shit if he has to walk around life as a four-foot man?

• 27:30Speaker 07

  But do I want to be a giant woman? No. That was an easy one. I didn't even realize how easy.

• 27:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:39Josh Horowitz?

  You didn't want to answer, and now you came up with gold. Congratulations to all of us.

• 27:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, no. Tim could be weird, yeah.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  It's like that question of like, if you pressed this button somewhere in the world, one person would like, Jackie's just hammering the button. Like, what do I give a shit?

• 27:51Speaker 07

  Are you kidding?

• 27:52Josh Horowitz?

  I have this monkey's paw that you can make a wish on. Yeah, exactly.

• 27:56Speaker 07

  You asked. You just move right, nothing about the show. You move on to Jenny. Oh, so short Tim. Eric.

• 28:05Josh Horowitz?

  Thankfully, Esther has a juicy season. We can say that. You're happy with?

• 28:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 28:11Josh Horowitz?

  So, do you put your two cents in before season two, or do you just let them surprise you with?

• 28:15Speaker 07

  No, America did.

• 28:17Josh Horowitz?

  America spoke, and they said more.

• 28:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. I think everybody had something to say there. Uh, which, listen, goblet, of course the Jews had to say something. We're Jews, that's the whole point.

• 28:29Speaker 07

  I love that all the, like, angry, very opinionated, strong women Jews were like, "We're not like that. That's a stereotype." It's like, "I'm being you. Miriam, you're seeing yourself and it's upsetting you."

• 28:48Speaker 07

  I loved it. But I think she has a journey, season two, and it's so fun. Because I love to play her. I love her so much. And I didn't want to be like defensive of her, but I just am. I think that she's a real person and she's a fully formed person. And she's loyal and she loves her husband. And she's pissed that these people came along and like ruined their family. It was her and her brother-in-law and her husband and her best friend Rebecca. And now it's like this. Like, it wasn't great. So it's like, that to me, it made sense to me. And then in season two, I think she's realizing that everybody else was having a good time. And she's sort of a self-imposed stick in the mud.

• 29:30Speaker 07

  It's not like anyone's making her sort of be that way. And she's asking herself life's questions. And I, without spoiling, that's what she's, that's the journey she's on for season two. She's, one thing I do love about the, she's trying to have fun. And people keep asking me, they're like, so she's fun this season? I'm like, is she?

• 29:53Speaker 07

  She'll tell you she is.

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• 31:33Josh Horowitz?

  What is the most common question, comment, that you guys get related to? Nobody wants this in the last one.

• 31:39Speaker 07

  I think it's like, would you want Tim to be two feet shorter? Or you to be... I think for all of us, I think for all of us, we can say.

• 31:47Josh Horowitz?

  Get the backup moderator.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Part of the job is looking at the interviews that have come before this one, so you don't ask the questions that everybody's asked.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We're a fucking nightmare up here.

• 32:04Josh Horowitz?

  That was my personal favorite question on all these cards, guys. So you are really making me feel this... Five feet shorter, in fact. That's how I feel right now. Uh, no, but is there a common, a real question that people ask you or want to say to you about your characters? They want to engage about the dynamics of the characters? Or just say, "Your show rocks."

• 32:25Speaker 02

  People want to know if Adam is as hot

• 32:30Speaker 02

  in person as he is on the show. And what do you say?

• 32:34Josh Horowitz?

  What do you say?

• 32:34Speaker 02

  I've said, "Yes."

• 32:37Speaker 01

  I say, "Without the beard, no."

• 32:41Speaker 02

  But I also say, like, part of what makes him so hot is he has some of the similar attributes. He's incredibly kind, and he's wise, and he's thoughtful. And he's incredibly, um, he's incredibly romantic about his partner, which is sexy as fuck, you know? Like, that's hot.

• 33:01Josh Horowitz?

  She's a lucky girl.

• 33:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, Adam, what?

• 33:06Speaker 09

  One night, I'll tell you one. This is random, and I don't know, it's probably just anecdote. It is literally an anecdote. But, um, a lot of people have come up to me, a lot of people said they loved the show, and a lot of people, I think because of the show is kind of so joyful, a lot of people have said, "Oh, I was going through a hard moment, and this really was a ray of sunshine for that, and I take it you've had the same." And that's been very nice and sort of unexpected.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, people saying that it's my feel-good show has meant so much to me, because I'm like, "Oh, yeah, that's all I want." Like, I want to be a part of projects that bring people joy, and to have it be someone's feel-good show is really special.

• 33:42Josh Horowitz?

  Um, was it more, a lot of cool guest stars in this season, we should say, as well. More difficult to get Seth Rogen or Leighton Meester involved in the show, guys? Who had a tougher negotiation?

• 33:53Speaker 09

  I wasn't involved in the Seth of it, so I don't know.

• 33:57Speaker 10

  It was very easy. I've known him since he was 18. I was a writer on Undeclared, and he is-

• 34:02Speaker 09

  Love that show.

• 34:03Speaker 10

  -started as, and continues to be, like, the menschiest guy in the world, and he loved the show, and his wife Lauren loved the show, and he said yes in a second, and we were really lucky. And Adam and Seth were really funny together. Like, I loved it. It felt like you were having fun that day.

• 34:21Speaker 09

  Very fun to meet him and watch him work and just share the, share the space. Leighton was really hard to get a hold of.

• 34:26Josh Horowitz?

  But, um- She's elusive, that one, yeah, yeah. I mean, is that like a no-brainer to like, "This'll be fun"? Like, is there any conversation?

• 34:35Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah. In fact, early on, in the writers' desk, would she want to do it? I'm like, "Yeah, write her, write her something fun." And then they did, and she did, and I think, you know, good times by all.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  She is so funny.

• 34:45Speaker 09

  Yeah, amazing.

• 34:46Speaker 07

  So funny.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Like, we were in the back going, "Who can we fire so we can make her, like, one of the leads of the show? This is crazy. You guys are all on the chopping block."

• 34:54Speaker 07

  Oh, thank God she doesn't play Jewish. I'm safe!

• 35:07Speaker 07

  Sorry. I'll go. I'm really too much tonight.

• 35:13Josh Horowitz?

  Is Dax just seething, ready for his part? Is he just like, when do I get in on this, or what?

• 35:18Speaker 03

  No, he like, he does not like acting.

• 35:24Josh Horowitz?

  This just makes me want more.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  That may be like, the long game, but he's just like, no, I'm over it. I like podcasting. I like talking to people.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  And I'm like, okay, I mean, of course I would love, like, and we did have some significant other action this season because Leighton was on and Jackie's boyfriend Joe Gillette was on, and weirdly those two played a couple.

• 35:45Josh Horowitz?

  Playing his, her, his husband.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Which was bizarre. Um, and then there, can I say about that there was a? Yeah, there was a drawing, that's all I can say. Uh, and Justine's husband Tyson is an artist and he drew the drawing, so it was like, very fun and familial.

• 36:01Speaker 08

  And Jenny's husband directed the last two episodes.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  What?

• 36:05Speaker 08

  Jenny's husband directed the last two episodes.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  And Aaron's husband did the soundtrack.

• 36:08Speaker 08

  Yeah, guys, literally everyone's sleeping with everyone, it's crazy.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  And we put Bruce's wife in Girls.

• 36:18Speaker 08

  Well, she can come on our show too.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  That's what I'm, that's why I'm mentioning it here.

• 36:24Josh Horowitz?

  Takeaway here is that nepotism is alive and well.

• 36:28Josh Horowitz?

  If you had any doubts.

• 36:33Speaker 03

  Dax comes for lunch a lot, but I don't, I think-

• 36:35Josh Horowitz?

  Free crafty, he wants that, yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  Yes, he wants the free food, but I think he's not, I mean, I believe if I asked him to do it, he would do it. But I don't, I know that he loves his job and I don't want him to do anything that he's not like, gunning to do.

• 36:47Josh Horowitz?

  I hesitate to ask this, but I want to ask this. Tell me about the urine prank, uh, Justine, I want to know about.

• 36:53Speaker 07

  No, I almost brought that up when you said, what is everyone asking you? In interviews, people keep being like, did Just, what is this urine prank?

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Okay, so the urine prank is, I know that Kristen's obsessed with pranks, like, between takes she'll come up to me and show me like, 16-minute Jimmy Fallon pranks that literally go on forever, and she'll be like, you know, no, no, keep on paying attention. So she just loves these-

• 37:13Speaker 07

  It's just about to get good.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  And she also is obsessed with biohacking. She does peptides. She has a glucose monitor on. She wears a weighted vest in between scenes and does squats. And I'm not exaggerating. That is something that she does.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Gotta get it in.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  I have videos. So I was like, OK, how can we marry these things together? These two things together, the biohacking and the prank? And how can we do it in a way that's like pretty far out, but not so far out that she'll like do something entirely disgusting? And we settled on, let's convince her that I'm drinking my own pee. And so for two months, basically two months.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  And also, I want to let you know, Justin keeps using words like "we" and "looking over here." And from the beginning, I was like, I am not signing on to this. KB will fucking destroy us. This is a you thing.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I did all kinds of things.

• 38:10Speaker 09

  I was pretty supportive of the endeavor.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you did. I made Fake Eye AI articles about like how it was good for you and that it remineralizes your body.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  You really looked this up? Send it to me.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  I steeped chamomile tea and I would like tell like the base camp guy to come bring it to me in the middle of set. And like I just had to, I would, I would have a phone call with him where I'd be like, hey, Ruston, is there any way that you could bring my thermos? And I don't know, I should probably tell you there is pee in it. Just as an HR protocol, like I should probably let you know there's pee in that.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  She knew I was eavesdropping because I'm always eavesdropping. And then she'd get on set and we weren't even in the same area, but I was like looking over and here's what I'd watch.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  And I was like, I just want to make sure you were being.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  She called a doctor on set and was like, is this okay?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Dr. Mark. Dr. Mark, whatever.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  I called Dr. Mike.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Can't trust him.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  You can't trust him. He said it's not going to kill her, but like she could also just take a multivitamin.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  But the grand finale of the prank was that I steeped chamomile tea at different gradients and put them in a mason jar and then put those-

• 39:33Speaker 10

  Gradients?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Yes, a different, you know, peas comes in different colors, guys. So basically, I put them all in a cooler and I brought them to set-

• 39:42Josh Horowitz?

  On April 1st.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  And I brought them to her and I said, "Kristen, I brought you some of my best pea." And I ate all the good minerals so that it's like the best quality pea you could ever have. And here you go. And she looked at it and she goes, "I don't want this." At this point, my codependency is, I'm jumping out of my skin and I'm just going like, "How do I tell this girl that I love so much that I think this is unsafe and also I do not want this urine? I'm not gonna take it home and I wanna tell her to stop doing this, but I don't wanna tell her what to do, but I wanna make sure she's being safe. Oh my god, this is so much pressure." And I just said, "I don't want this." And then she said, "April Fools," and it was April 1st.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  And I gotta tell you, I have never felt more loved.

• 40:33Josh Horowitz?

  If I was gonna predict the monster on this panel in for the long con, I was not gonna point to Justine, but here we are.

• 40:42Speaker 09

  But it very much is.

• 40:44Speaker 10

  We all know.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  That I'm the monster?

• 40:46Speaker 09

  A long con, I just along, like, you would do that again before anyone would attempt it once.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:52Speaker 10

  A hundred percent.

• 40:54Josh Horowitz?

  I can only imagine what's cooking for season three. Already thinking?

• 40:58Speaker 02

  You know, I'm kind of waiting for Kristen to slap back.

• 41:01Josh Horowitz?

  Ball's in your court.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Wouldn't you like to know?

• 41:06Josh Horowitz?

  Are you proud of the environment you create on set that allows for this, guys?

• 41:10Speaker 10

  We like didn't even know it was happening.

• 41:12Speaker 13

  I feel like we should've written more lines for them.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, yes you did. I told you guys, I said, "You guys, you are going to hear that I'm drinking my own pea and I need you to know that that's not actually happening."

• 41:23Speaker 10

  At the very end, you told us. We were not on board earlier at all and it does not demand retaliation for us, because we were not-

• 41:34Josh Horowitz?

  Here's the thing is that when somebody tells you, "You're gonna hear that I'm drinking my own pea," and it's not true, the only thing you can think is, "That's 100% true."

• 41:45Speaker 01

  So in your defense, I think it's okay that you put that out of your minds.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  And what's funny about it is for two months, I had to be okay with Dax thinking that I was drinking my own piss.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Of course, I immediately went home and told him. I was like, honey, Justin told me she's drinking her own urine? And I just, I don't know, is that, I should be worried, should I be worried about her? I mean, I know she's kind of crunchy, but like, is it safe? And he was like, I don't know, look it up. And it does sound kind of weird, but she did do my astrology chart the day that I met her. And I was like, oh, cool. So I don't know, I just chalked it up to like, maybe keeping an eye on her and like, does she, is she, it was like, is she gonna get sick? Or, and I was watching her very closely, just like a mom does, and she never got sick, because it wasn't real urine.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  What, okay. I can't get this back on track, it's my own fault. Um, so they've seen the first two. What's your favorite episode of this season? Nominate, nominate one, what can they look forward to?

• 42:39Speaker 13

  I'm definitely not picking one. They're all like children, they're all, I mean, I love them all, so I'm not gonna pick a favorite.

• 42:45Speaker 10

  I love some more than others.

• 42:48Speaker 10

  Like my children.

• 42:50Speaker 07

  What was yours?

• 42:52Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  I like the Valentine's Day episode. And Adam reminded me of it during this press tour and how good it was, because there are so many incremental beats that are so real and form such great friction. And every single person in this audience will have felt one or the other of these sides.

• 43:14Speaker 09

  Yeah, if you got the ick the first season.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Oh, man. I like the ninth episode. That's very vague, but I like the ninth episode.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  Episode nine. The ones, the ones that are coming to mind are like, one, and I think five and nine. And I think, I said this like, when we were here for like, the 92nd Street Y thing last year, of like, what are we looking forward to? And like, the thing that I was looking forward to the most was like, being back on set with the group. And those, I think, have an aspect of everybody being around a table or being at a big party together. And I just always love, I mean, it's like a great day on set. Just selfishly, it's a very fun day on set, but I always like, I always like... Probably a very wonderful comment to all of you. You're very wonderful to work with and it's really fun when you have a big group of people that can work really well together like that. So those are the ones in my mind.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  I also love Purim.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, yeah.

• 44:07Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say, that's a fun one and these guys don some iconic costumes, I will say. Did you have any choice on your respective outfits for that one?

• 44:15Speaker 07

  No.

• 44:16Speaker 09

  I didn't.

• 44:17Josh Horowitz?

  Do we wanna say? Can we say? Is that a spoiler?

• 44:21Speaker 08

  Well, it's kind of documented online, so it's not really secretive.

• 44:24Speaker 09

  Alright.

• 44:25Speaker 08

  I was Cinderella.

• 44:26Speaker 09

  I was a vampire. I had fangs in, which I loved, but it is funny, because I'm talking with a lisp the whole episode. As I'm doing like dramatic scenes.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  I was Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  I'm like a 30's style gangster, like that Tommy gun.

• 44:44Speaker 07

  And I am a sexy cat. She's fun, I told you, she's fun. She's into that stuff now.

• 44:55Josh Horowitz?

  Everybody on brand, I feel like, in a way. Yes?

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Also Lynn is Madonna is chef's kiss.

• 45:02Speaker 08

  Phenomenal.

• 45:03Josh Horowitz?

  The, um, living up to the now iconic kiss in the first season, I mean, how do you, you can't like orchestrate that, right? You can't be like, okay, next iconic kiss coming right up.

• 45:15Speaker 08

  Yes, you can.

• 45:16Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, you can.

• 45:17Speaker 08

  I mean, once you see these guys in season one, you're like, just do that again.

• 45:23Josh Horowitz?

  Is that the direction?

• 45:25Speaker 08

  No, but I think there's, the kiss is so special because it's a first kiss and in real life, that first kiss is, like, takes your breath away. But then there are things that that person can do that feel exceptionally romantic and unexpected in that first year of a relationship that isn't, no, that's no longer is the first kiss, but is sort of that first gesture you didn't expect them to make. The thing that makes, you know, I mean, you guys just watched the first episodes, so the bedside table to us was such a unique way to be romantic and sexy and grown up and feel seen and so, you know, it was on us to find ways for him to show up for her like that romantically.

• 46:07Josh Horowitz?

  Here's a, an other, or would you rather shoot a falling in love scene or a breakup scene as an actor? What's more generally artistically rewarding?

• 46:20Speaker 03

  Falling in love is easier, I think.

• 46:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Maybe ju-- and I'm solely, having not read the scenes. I'm just basing it on the fact that that's happier and I'm more comfortable in happy emotions because they take a little less work to manufacture on camera.

• 46:37Speaker 09

  Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think a breakup, you certainly can get a little, you know, more heated and might have to dig a little deeper. But yeah, it's fun to kind of tap dance through a falling in love scene, I think, too.

• 46:50Josh Horowitz?

  Hysterically laughing through a scene or hysterically crying? Which would you rather do on set for a day?

• 46:56Speaker 03

  In the scene?

• 46:57Speaker 07

  Like, crying laughing?

• 46:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, fake laughing, fake crying. What's harder?

• 47:00Speaker 07

  I think freeze to death.

• 47:07Josh Horowitz?

  Always option C. Yeah. Tim is two feet shorter. That's always the, yeah, that's always the answer.

• 47:18Josh Horowitz?

  You guys have a hell of a soundtrack always for this show. What's the process? I mean, is it, I mean, you get major artists. Is it always a yes? Is it always a negotiation? What's the process in kind of finding the right songs for the show?

• 47:32Speaker 08

  Well, season one, we had great music, but it's all, it was all music that was already out in the world. So, you know, you're paying to license the song. And then season two, because of the success of season one, our music supervisors, Aperture Music, thought that it would be a good idea to do a proper soundtrack, which means that the songs are unreleased and they're only released through the show. So, you know, that's where you would find it online. I didn't know that. Yep, we have a soundtrack season two. So then, when Aperture thought that would be a good idea, my husband, Simon, has, is in the music business and he sort of does that. And so, we figured it out and made a deal. And it was honestly very cool to work

• 48:15Speaker 08

  together and watch him. The guy's obsessed with Fall of Through. He's like, you know, I asked you to do that thing. And I'm like, you gotta ask me three times. And we got amazing artists. We have an original, Kacey Musgraves, Chris Dapleton, Teddy Swims, Selena Gomez, Toa Bird. We have, I mean, there's really, really amazing artists.

• 48:39Josh Horowitz?

  Tim looks like he's in shock. Tim, have you not?

• 48:41Speaker 08

  What?

• 48:42Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, that's cool.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  I didn't know that, but I'm like, I'm, I am personally not cool. So I don't like know a lot of musicians. That's, that's fucking rad.

• 48:55Speaker 08

  But it is hard to get them, even though the show's successful, because what happens is that they, it means that sometimes they have to take that song off the album that they were working on, or they can't release it when they wanted to release it, and then they can only release it through the show. So there's a lot of like fighting for it.

• 49:12Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a dream guest star next season, the season after that? Who's on the list? Anybody want to nominate someone?

• 49:18Speaker 08

  Jenny had a great idea.

• 49:19Speaker 07

  It's like on the count of three, we're all just gonna say.

• 49:21Speaker 10

  Adam Sandler.

• 49:22Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 49:25Speaker 10

  We're all manifesting it together right now, okay? Guys, put it into the universe.

• 49:30Josh Horowitz?

  We're manifesting.

• 49:30Speaker 07

  I was gonna say one, two, three, Barbara, but Adam Sandler got me really excited.

• 49:36Josh Horowitz?

  Is he Goliem?

• 49:38Speaker 07

  Nah.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  All right.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  I, um, so Lynn's best friend is named Goldie, and I just always imagine it being Goldie Hawn. So I just love the idea of Goldie Hawn showing up as Lynn's best friend.

• 49:50Speaker 08

  By the way, she's Jewish.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  I feel like she's, is she half Jewish from the Adam Sandler song?

• 49:55Speaker 07

  Goldie Hawn's half Jewish. Goldie Hawn's half too, yeah, put them together, that's a fine looking Jew.

• 50:08Josh Horowitz?

  Bar mitzvah or wedding, what do you prefer?

• 50:12Speaker 08

  Bar mitzvahs are so fun.

• 50:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it's a mitz for me.

• 50:15Speaker 08

  Then you don't have to like wait for them to take pictures and all that. There's a lot of waiting at weddings.

• 50:19Josh Horowitz?

  Is there such a thing as a Nobody Wants This themed bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah yet? Has that existed in the universe? And what would that be?

• 50:26Speaker 01

  You mean is the theme Jew?

• 50:29Josh Horowitz?

  What's that?

• 50:31Speaker 01

  You go. Oh, no, I don't, I did, that was the only joke I did. I missed it, I missed it.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always funny when you have to say a joke a second time. And then Justine really just looked away. She had no reaction to it.

• 50:47Speaker 08

  She's like, should we get lunch?

• 50:53Josh Horowitz?

  Have you guys started to, I mean, are you guys talking to these guys about what you want to see in season three? Or is that, are you in the waiting game right now?

• 51:01Speaker 03

  It doesn't need to happen.

• 51:02Josh Horowitz?

  No?

• 51:03Speaker 03

  No. That, I mean, from my perspective, that does not need to happen. I remember going into the writers' room at the beginning of season two and I felt, and I was like, "Okay, let's see what we got going on." And Erin, the first thing she said to me was, "Okay, we're gonna give the audience what they want. That's what people are here for, we're gonna give them what they want." And I was like, I didn't even know I needed to hear that, but it was so refreshing to be like, "Oh yeah, because as I referenced before, I love when people have this as their feel-good show." And she's like, "Yeah, we're gonna do more of that." Okay?

• 51:34Speaker 07

  That is a good Erin. I'm not joking, that was very Erin. That was like embodying, like the neck and the face, didn't you even think?

• 51:41Speaker 03

  Thank you very much, Jackie. But that comes along with a lot of details, but what that means is there's not gonna be an earthquake this season and we're not gonna break 'em up every other episode and we're not gonna, you know, like, there's not gonna be any crazy thing happening. This is going to be a love story about hyper-realistic intimate moments that anyone could picture themselves in, and it's going to be very real. And I was so happy with the way season two's turned out. And so I don't feel like they need any advice from me about season three. I'm happy to say whatever they want me to say.

• 52:14Speaker 10

  But we do like to get feedback. Like, we, I mean, we do, we, you know, they come in, we talk to them about it. They have ideas, they have questions, that's really nice for us, too. Like, we're a very collaborative team and it helps us.

• 52:30Josh Horowitz?

  So, when this drops in literally a few hours, who's gonna be like online and who's gonna turn their phones off? Who among the-

• 52:37Speaker 03

  Well, it's gonna be at three in the morning for us.

• 52:39Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  We're all gonna be drunk.

• 52:41Josh Horowitz?

  In a day. In a day. Like, who actually wants to engage and who is gonna-

• 52:46Speaker 09

  I'll engage.

• 52:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah?

• 52:47Speaker 07

  Oh, do you normally, or are you just for the sake of this?

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Because you're like not even online. You don't even have social media.

• 52:54Speaker 09

  I'll read reviews.

• 52:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, you'll read reviews.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. But are you gonna like watch TikToks and stuff?

• 52:59Speaker 09

  I don't know how. I mean, I guess I would.

• 53:01Josh Horowitz?

  You know how.

• 53:02Speaker 09

  I could figure it out, but the answer is no.

• 53:04Speaker 07

  The answer is no.

• 53:05Speaker 09

  But send me good stuff.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:08Josh Horowitz?

  You've never worked on the Tik or the Talk, Adam?

• 53:11Speaker 09

  Neither one. Um, no.

• 53:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 09

  But, you know.

• 53:13Josh Horowitz?

  Happy for the best.

• 53:15Speaker 09

  All the best to it.

• 53:18Josh Horowitz?

  TikTok as a sentient human. Good luck, TikTok.

• 53:21Speaker 09

  I wish you well.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  I think what's more important is feeling the groundswell emotion, which is what we felt the second season. At least that's what I feel like I can collectively plug into you guys and say like, that feels wildly more important than like reading one person's opinion about it. But like when you see on the street and like you're at the grocery store and people are like, "I loved it." And then you're just like, "Oh, my gosh, I'm starting to feel it. It's making people happy. I'm glad they're watching it." I care about your guys' opinion a lot more.

• 53:49Josh Horowitz?

  I'm sure you're also gonna have people just come up to you with like jars of urine saying, you know, "Give it a shot."

• 53:55Speaker 03

  Don't say that.

• 53:55Josh Horowitz?

  Two shots, let's do shots.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Shots, shots, shots.

• 54:01Josh Horowitz?

  You're all inside the podcast now and we end the podcast with a profoundly random questions. You guys ready for this? Here we go. Dogs or cats?

• 54:10Josh Horowitz?

  We can, yeah, yeah, you can jump in. Anybody?

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Dogs.

• 54:13Josh Horowitz?

  Woof.

• 54:15Speaker 08

  Dogs.

• 54:16Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs.

• 54:16Speaker 08

  Dogs. Not a pet person.

• 54:21Speaker 10

  I have ducks.

• 54:22Speaker 13

  But I'm saying cats.

• 54:25Josh Horowitz?

  You're one defender of...

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Underdogs.

• 54:26Josh Horowitz?

  I see that for you. You all don't need to answer. You can jump in if you feel like it. Does anybody collect anything in the group?

• 54:34Speaker 07

  Miniatures.

• 54:36Josh Horowitz?

  DVDs.

• 54:37Speaker 07

  I have... Oh, my God, Tim.

• 54:39Josh Horowitz?

  Does anybody love anything as much as Tim likes his physical media collection?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Thank you very much for bringing that up and I hope you guys have quite a bit of time.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  The thing about physical media is that the picture quality is a lot better. The sound quality, low key, is a lot better. And yes, your house looks like a GameStop, but you always have access to movies that you wanna see.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  That's maybe the first memory I have of Tim is on our group text. The first photo that he put on the chain was him like in front of like a huge backdrop of like, I don't know, hundreds, thousands?

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Almost 1,000. I had just gotten like a really good, they remastered The Keep, which was a very early Michael Mann TV movie. It hadn't existed in a format in the United States. And they had a, there was a German, like, there was like a German release.

• 55:29Josh Horowitz?

  The Keep.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  It's like a bootleg. Guys, look, settle in.

• 55:32Josh Horowitz?

  It's not a good movie. It's not a good movie for the rest.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  So anyway, I was really proud of that one. I feel like that was featured in the photo.

• 55:38Josh Horowitz?

  Do, you obviously have then all the Veronica Mars seasons and the OC seasons in the physical media collection, yes?

• 55:45Speaker 01

  The quality is better. The quality in the sound is better. Can I, I think Adam knows this, I've never seen the OC. I've never seen it. I don't think my wife has.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  I haven't. I haven't either.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  What? Good.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  He's never seen Veronica Mars.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Not good, it's bad, but I mean like- As far as I knew, like, this guy was hitting hard in his first job. Last year, I was, wow, this Adam kid's going places. This, this bearded late bloomer is amazing.

• 56:15Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, this is the Dakota Johnson memorial question, she asked me this. Uh, I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  I'll take it up the butt.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Up the butt for sure.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Up your butt for sure.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Wait, beads or beans? Neither, bees, like bumblebees. Honey, honey. No, bumblebees. Oh, bees?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  You really said a lot about yourself. I was like, just let me eat the beans, man.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I suppose up the butt.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, girls get our assholes waxed, like, we're used to that kind of pain, I'm sorry. And something- Bruce, what about you?

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Bruce? Bruce?

• 56:54Speaker 13

  These, the three of us are very confused right now. We don't know what's going on.

• 57:01Josh Horowitz?

  The last actor anybody was mistaken for was...

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just, because you're kind of, yeah.

• 57:09Speaker 07

  Oh, I wasn't with-

• 57:10Speaker 02

  In real life.

• 57:11Speaker 07

  In real life, my real life one was that actually it used to be Zooey Deschanel, I had like big, thick bangs, and, I don't know if I can say that because it's a little bit of a spoiler. They saw it.

• 57:21Speaker 13

  Oh.

• 57:22Speaker 07

  Oh my god, you said it, I saw it, I saw it and you said it. You are, anyways, that's a real story, and when I told them, they were like, obviously say that, so then I said it as Esther and it was, when that happened to me, I thought my shit did not stink, I was like, yeah, so everyone thinks I'm her, so, cool.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  At the SAG Awards for this show, last year, I was in a conversation with a woman at the after-party, and she told me how much she enjoyed the show, and how much it meant to her, and she really hoped good things for me, and 30 seconds in, it became clear she thought I was the guy from Baby Reindeer?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  And we were so far down this path, including selfies, that I just was like, I'm, I don't, I felt like it would hurt her too much. So for like, three minutes, I just pretended I was the guy from Baby Reindeer. And I was like, yeah, I got a couple of things in the, you know, that I've been developing, that I'm really excited about, keep like, trying to remember any detail of his, I think,

• 58:26Speaker 07

  Did you speak in a British accent?

• 58:27Speaker 01

  No, I didn't go into the accent, that was the...

• 58:30Josh Horowitz?

  Did you ever tell her?

• 58:31Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:32Josh Horowitz?

  This is a hell of a way to find out for her.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's gonna show a picture, like, I got, I met the guy from Baby Reindeer, and it's gonna be me.

• 58:41Josh Horowitz?

  Good.

• 58:43Josh Horowitz?

  Anybody else? Anybody ever mistaken you? No?

• 58:46Speaker 09

  I, I get called Adrian Brody more than my real name. But I'm never, I don't think people think I'm him, they just, the names are close.

• 58:55Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, anybody have a worst note a director has ever given them?

• 59:01Josh Horowitz?

  Go to that deep, dark place. Yep.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  I don't know, I don't know if this is a note, but I had like, a great college acting coach who would like, stop scenes by yelling, "Boring!", and then, and then she'd be like, "You're gonna be a nothing burger from bumfuck nowhere, boring!". That's like, the one that's, she was, she was great, we loved her.

• 59:29Speaker 07

  Nothing Burger is mine now.

• 59:35Josh Horowitz?

  We wanna end on that one, that, that pearl of wisdom?

• 59:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, no one's gonna beat it.

• 59:40Josh Horowitz?

  Guys, um, I love this cast, I love this gang, congratulations on season two. Nobody wants to...

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Thank you, Josh.

• 59:49Josh Horowitz?

  Spread the good word. Look at this audience, thank you guys.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Thank you, everyone.

• 59:53Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

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