Emma Stone & Jesse Plemons

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  I do get called Emma Watson all the time. All the time.

• 0:33Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you were great in Harry Potter.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 0:38Speaker 03

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now.

• 0:46Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today, we have Emma Stone and Jesse Plemons, two of the greats of their generation, talking about one of my favorite movies of the year, Yorgos Lanthimos's Begonia. Guys, thanks as always for joining me on the podcast today. Really excited to share this one. We taped this actually at the Telluride Film Festival a while back. We've been holding on to it until the world at large could see the movie. Begonia comes out in theaters this Friday. I highly, highly, highly recommend it. I'm obsessed with it. More on that in a second. Okay, so before we get to Jesse and Emma, I want to remind you guys, we are publishing a ton of really great conversations on Happy, Sad, Confused lately.

• 1:29Josh Horowitz?

  In fact, three a week, which is a lot of work for me, the editors and everybody. I hope you guys are enjoying it. As always, go to Patreon because that's where you get the early access and guest announcements and you can ask questions to some of the guests sometimes. Patreon.com/happy/sadconfused. It's where we announce our live events in New York and Los Angeles and everywhere. So much going on over there, so please do your best to support us over there because it helps us make more stuff over here. Patreon.com/happy/sadconfused. Okay. Today, as I said... It is a rare treat to get either of these guys on the, on a podcast, on a long form conversation, let alone the two of them together. But I was so honored that Jesse Plemons and

• 2:14Josh Horowitz?

  Emma Stone joined me in this recording that took place at the Telluride Film Festival. You guys have heard me talk about Telluride before, one of my favorite places on earth. Begonia premiered there. Was it at Venice first? I think it was at Venice and then it came to Telluride. But it was, it is one of my favorites of the year. It's a wild ride. It is from Yorgos Lanthimos, so you should expect nothing less. I will say it is in some ways, though, I wouldn't say, I would never say it's conventional. Yorgos doesn't make conventional, but it is a familiar type of movie. It's a kidnapping movie. It

• 2:53Josh Horowitz?

  is a drama with some dark comedy to it. Jesse plays a guy that feels very wronged and kidnaps an executive played by Emma Stone that he, he places a lot of the blame in his personal life for. I want to say much more than that, except to say they both deliver exceptional performances, even by their very, very high standards. I hope they're both in the awards conversation, not that that thing ultimately matters, but in my, for my money, they're as good performances as I've seen this year. I'm obsessed, as I said. And Emma hasn't been on the pod for a long while. I, you know, I go way back

• 3:35Josh Horowitz?

  with both of these folks, Emma especially. I mean, all my MTV stuff way back when, kind of my rise at MTV coincided with the rise of Emma Stone. So I always appreciate her. I think this was like the only conversation like this she did at Telluride. So that meant a lot. And Jesse is somebody that I, I just think is one of the great talents and this might be his best performance yet. And that, yes, again, is saying something. So this is a really fun conversation about the film, but also these parallels in their careers and some other stuff that we get to. I think you're gonna dig it. I know you're gonna dig it. So yeah, again, straight from the Telluride Film Festival. And by the way, you know, no professional crew. This is like iPhones. So, you know, apologies if this isn't

• 4:19Josh Horowitz?

  up to the high standards, video standards that we try to keep on the podcast, but I think you're gonna enjoy it nonetheless. Here is Emma Stone, Jesse Plemons and me talking Begonia. Enjoy.

• 4:32Josh Horowitz?

  What are the adjectives to describe our conversations in the past? I've never done the two of you together. I don't know what's gonna happen.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Anything could happen.

• 4:39Josh Horowitz?

  This is happy sack infused royalty as far as I'm concerned.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Thanks, Josh.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Me? Us?

• 4:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  I mean, yes.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Aw, come on.

• 4:48Josh Horowitz?

  She's an OG. She's an original. But in recent years, Jesse has become part of the club.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  How many times have you guys talked, you think?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  How many times have we talked?

• 4:55Josh Horowitz?

  This probably goes back to like House Bunny is probably our first.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  But that was pre even like Happy Sack Confused.

• 5:00Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  You were in House Bunny?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  We've known each other for a long time. Jesse, how dare you?

• 5:04Josh Horowitz?

  I'm sorry.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Of course I was in House Bunny. What do you mean?

• 5:06Speaker 04

  I know that movie.

• 5:07Josh Horowitz?

  You haven't studied the early works?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  We clearly don't know that movie very well.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  I think you're just so transformative.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 5:13Josh Horowitz?

  Have you seen, by the way, it is the 20th anniversary of the new Partridge family. Congratulations.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 5:18Josh Horowitz?

  I know there are a lot of festivities being planned.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Yes. There's a big party on the roof tonight if you'd like to come.

• 5:24Josh Horowitz?

  A rager at Telluride.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a rager at Telluride.

• 5:27Josh Horowitz?

  We are at the Telluride Film Festival for context, correct?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 5:31Josh Horowitz?

  Is that where I am?

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Oh, is that where we are?

• 5:33Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 5:34Josh Horowitz?

  Go ahead. Check. Next check. We're talking about your fantastic new film Begonia from Yorgos Lanthimos.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Check.

• 5:41Josh Horowitz?

  Check. Any other things to tell the audience before we really dive into the deep stuff?

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Like I told you, I'm just having a great day.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Jesse's been having the best day.

• 5:51Josh Horowitz?

  Jesse, what's happening? You're enjoying film in a beautiful environment.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  And it's my first Telluride. And so many people have told me.

• 5:58Josh Horowitz?

  Worth the mic for me.

• 5:59Speaker 04

  It is my first Telluride.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  ASMR.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  Have told me how much they look at the mic.

• 6:05Josh Horowitz?

  That's too much. That's too much. Isn't it the best festival ever? You've heard, everyone's told you this before.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. So many people have told me that's their favorite festival. And I see why now. It's just, I think partly because films aren't really in competition with one another. And they do this really sweet class photo at the beginning. I don't know, just very nice.

• 6:28Josh Horowitz?

  Don't have to do too much of this.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  And so beautiful, like everywhere you go is gorgeous and then you can just, you're really relaxed and you can go see a bunch of movies.

• 6:37Josh Horowitz?

  You, I was looking up both of your respective amazing careers in terms of film festivals. Was your first film festival super bad? Toronto? Do I have that right? Does that sound right?

• 6:48Speaker 01

  I don't know that I went to that.

• 6:49Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:50Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have any early memories of like a film festival? Because that's like, that's a moment, a shift in a career.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  I want to say that we went to Toronto for EZA.

• 6:58Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  And I think that maybe was the first time I went to a film festival. I could be wrong. Don't quote me on that. No, you know what? Also, Zombieland went to Sitche's Film Festival and Fantastic Fest.

• 7:09Josh Horowitz?

  That must have been.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Which was really fun.

• 7:11Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Um, but my first time at Telluride was for La La Land, so I hadn't been here before and it's, I love, I love being here.

• 7:20Josh Horowitz?

  Just your first film festival experience for you?

• 7:23Speaker 04

  I'm just trying to remember.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  South by Southwest, maybe?

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  That was early on.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  That makes sense as an Os tonight.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Observing Report, maybe?

• 7:33Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, sure. That sounds like a South by, definitely. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I was joking about like, you know, New Partridge Family, but like, I think back to your early days, like, I mean, think back, indulge me for a second, where you guys were, how you guys started out and where you sit today, working with the orgos, working with the best filmmakers repeatedly, like you guys get the best material, the best filmmakers. I mean, do you take stock of that occasionally of like, the beginnings versus where you are?

• 7:59Speaker 01

  No, we never think about that.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Other people kind of have to.

• 8:03Josh Horowitz?

  That's what I get for to remind you.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  And I, I appreciate it because, yeah, it truly, it truly just exceeded anything I ever had in mind.

• 8:17Josh Horowitz?

  When you're on the set of.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Of what could be possible.

• 8:19Josh Horowitz?

  Walter Texas Ranger as a kid.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:22Josh Horowitz?

  Are you thinking one day, Telluride? What was the aspiration? What was the dream then?

• 8:26Speaker 04

  Thinking about kicking that guy's butt.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  I was playing a bully. I played a lot of bullies.

• 8:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, good.

• 8:34Speaker 04

  And then, but then he got revenge.

• 8:36Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, no.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Because Walter Texas Ranger taught him.

• 8:39Josh Horowitz?

  A lesson.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Well, he taught the kid that I was beating up how to get me back, so.

• 8:44Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  It's okay. I had it coming.

• 8:48Josh Horowitz?

  But like, what was the idea of success early on for each of you? Like, what were the early goals?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  My early goal was to be on a sitcom. I was like, that would be the greatest thing in the world, or to be on SNL.

• 9:00Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  It was very much comedy, and it was very much like television comedy. So it's been, to say that this is all surreal and crazy, and I never saw any of the sort of way that this has gone so far coming is like an understatement.

• 9:18Josh Horowitz?

  Was it, was there a dream?

• 9:19Speaker 01

  I mean, my dream is still SNL, honestly. That didn't change. Well, hosting-

• 9:25Speaker 04

  And memorable episodes.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  I mean, hosting is so, is such a lucky break, because you do it for a week, and it's so relentless and hard, and then obviously, my husband worked at SNL for five years, and it's very different when someone is working there, as opposed to getting to come in, and they're treating you so nicely, and everything's great, but it's like, the grind of SNL, I'm just in awe of everyone that works there, in a really deep way. I always have been, but now I really have seen it up close, and it's just like, it's a miracle that they can put that show together every Saturday.

• 9:58Josh Horowitz?

  This guy should host SNL. Jesse, you've never done it, have you?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  You've never hosted SNL?

• 10:02Josh Horowitz?

  Does that intimidate you, scare you, excite you?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Do you think you would do it?

• 10:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, all that, yeah.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Do people turn down SNL?

• 10:09Josh Horowitz?

  Some people do, yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  Is there afraid of the live television aspect, or they don't think they're funny?

• 10:16Speaker 04

  I would try it. I'd give it a shot.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  You'd be great.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  I hope for the best.

• 10:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, we're secreting into the universe today. So what was, outside of SNL, what was the dream TV show, early on, that you aspired to be on?

• 10:27Speaker 04

  It's really funny. I remember it specifically. And it was, Friday Night Lights was the first time that it occurred to me, maybe I could actually do this for a living, I think, because I started when I was a kid, and it was just, you know, fun, then, not that it isn't, no, but-

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Sucks now.

• 10:50Josh Horowitz?

  Until today, when you got to actually see movies, and now this is a shift. It's fun again.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  It's fun again.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  As of today, when you're having a great day.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Don't I look like I'm having fun?

• 11:01Josh Horowitz?

  You do look like it. Yes, exactly.

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• 12:43Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk Begonia. Your movie's fantastic. I saw it the other day. Okay, I don't even know what the elevator pitch is. Because we don't want to tell them too much. What should the audience know going into Begonia? Because the title doesn't tell them much, or anything.

• 12:57Speaker 04

  No, you'd have to look it up, like I did. I had not heard that word before. So what's the elevator pitch?

• 13:05Josh Horowitz?

  What do you think an audience should know going in?

• 13:08Speaker 01

  I want your elevator pitch.

• 13:10Speaker 06

  I know the logline too well.

• 13:11Speaker 04

  Just a couple crazy guys kidnapping a lady. That's good, right?

• 13:17Josh Horowitz?

  Some wacky guys.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Just two wacky guys.

• 13:20Josh Horowitz?

  I think you're back at TV sitcom now.

• 13:22Speaker 06

  Two cuckoo dudes.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  I'd love to see that trailer.

• 13:27Speaker 06

  Grab a lady and take her to a basement. You guys are gonna love it.

• 13:34Josh Horowitz?

  Was there an official elevator pitch? Was there a log line? There must have been a log line, obviously.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Like an official log line for marketing purposes?

• 13:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  No, I mean, the script, I think it was just we're kind of reading the script because we had both worked with Yorgos before. So it was kind of just like, hey, read this movie, you know?

• 13:52Speaker 04

  I think I did look up Save the Green Planet. And so I read that synopsis probably, but other than that, it was just a script.

• 14:01Josh Horowitz?

  Is part of the joy, and there are a lot of reasons to do this. I mean, obviously, you both have worked with Yorgos and you know, that's always a fun time. But also like the, you referenced this in the Q and A the other day, like it has elements of a play. I mean, you guys are really, it's three actors for much of it. And just getting to dig in a single set for a really good portion of this film must have been an extraordinary opportunity.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Well, that's, I know I did have that thought that it read like a play, but it's so gripping and compelling and constantly unfolding that it didn't feel like a typical play, you know? It felt really entertaining for a play, you know? And

• 14:45Speaker 01

  So Jesse hates plays.

• 14:48Josh Horowitz?

  We're learning a lot about

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Boring plays. You know what I mean, guys?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  It feels like actually entertaining, unlike the play.

• 14:53Josh Horowitz?

  Not one of those play plays.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  I love plays.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  I love plays too. But I, but I know what you mean. It feels very cinematic. Like it's, it really does feel like it needs that sort of cinema element to, to bring it to the next play. And, and watching the movie, I don't, I keep saying this about it, which sounds like such a stupid thing to say. Cause it's like, of course, and it is a stupid thing to say, but it like feels like a movie. Yeah. Because there's so much dialogue and there's so much kind of explaining going on. And there's so much action that it, it, um, it feels very heightened to me.

• 15:29Josh Horowitz?

  It has a little like Yorgos meets Coen Brothers for me. There's a little heightened, like a, like a manic energy

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:35Josh Horowitz?

  to it that like you kind of get wired into. I mean, I don't know if it's the telewriter, the altitude, but this is like, there's a lot of sad parts about this and disturbing parts about this, but it's, it's a very fun movie to watch. It's a very entertaining movie at the end of the day. I mean, how much do you guys, having worked with Yorgos before, obviously as a producer as well, like? Um, you know, talk about tone, about like what you're going for, what you want an audience to feel. Or is it's no, literally no discussion?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  No, I don't, I don't think I've ever heard him say, I want the audience to feel this.

• 16:07Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  No, but he will say with both kinds of kindness and Burgonia. It's a comedy.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  About everything. That's the most consistent note that he'll give you while you're doing a scene.

• 16:21Speaker 04

  It's a comedy.

• 16:24Josh Horowitz?

  And how does that impact your performance?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Divine. It's like he's here.

• 16:30Josh Horowitz?

  It's a very niche stand-up routine, the Yorgos forty-five minute set that Jesse can do.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  No, it's literally only a ten second set. And I'm just saying that. Good night, everybody.

• 16:43Josh Horowitz?

  The last time I saw both of you guys was for Kinds of Kindness. Obviously, like, the goals are different. Except, I mean, I would imagine making something like that, you know, that's gonna be a very particular audience and that's fine. Like, movies can serve different purposes. I mean, is that, is that on your mind that, like, again, like, the goal is different? Or does it matter, like, when you get into the material, when you're on set?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  I, I don't know that it changes anything for me, or like, or that, or that Yorgos particularly acts differently toward, you know, one or the other. I mean, Kinds of Kindness, he wrote with Themis. So, there's that added element of him being the writer of it as well.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  And Will Tracy wrote this. So like, or, you know, like, on, on Poor Things and The Favorite, Tony McNamara wrote the script, so.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  That's the only, like, distinguishing difference I can see is that the writer comes to visit that a lot.

• 17:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would imagine, like, even friends and family, like, reactions to Kinds of Kindness must have been fascinating. Like, to get, like, did you get interesting texts?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  You know who absolutely loved Kinds of Kindness so much was my mom. My mom loved it. She, like, really gets, gets Kinds of Kindness. Which I love.

• 17:56Speaker 04

  How do you feel about that?

• 17:57Speaker 01

  I love it. She's like, I'm, I, it's so funny. And I think I'm in love with Willem Dafoe. All right, mom, calm down. He's married. But, um, yeah, it was, it was, I loved, I loved her reaction and she's got really interesting, cool taste and so I was like, great. I mean, I loved it too.

• 18:18Josh Horowitz?

  Has she seen this one?

• 18:20Speaker 01

  She's seen this one. She, she likes Kinds of Kindness better.

• 18:23Josh Horowitz?

  There's some intense stuff.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  It's her favorite movie.

• 18:26Josh Horowitz?

  For marketing purposes.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  No, she loves this one too.

• 18:29Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a direct correlation in your experience of like how taxing a performance is versus how much satisfaction you get out of a film? Because this doesn't feel like, this must be intensely rewarding, but it's also not a walk in the park, I would imagine, for either of you.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  Sometimes that goes hand in hand, the whole taxing rewarding thing. Sometimes it doesn't.

• 18:52Josh Horowitz?

  But back to hating the business.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  No, I mean, this, I think it's safe to say, was was taxing and hard. But at the exact same time, I mean, there were there were scenes from this, from Begonia, that were about the most fun I've ever had acting, just because the writing was so rich. And I mean, these scenes that we were able to play with one another and, you know, with Aiden, they were just so rich and layered. And and so, yeah, it was all of it, you know?

• 19:37Josh Horowitz?

  What about for you? I would imagine like feeling like spent in the best possible way after a rewarding day on set is kind of a great feeling as an actor. Like you've left it all out on the table.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  It is for sure. I think, you know, with this, because this one was, yeah, it was it was definitely intense on a daily basis. It was sort of unrelentingly because from one day to the next, you do feel like exhausted when you go home from, you know, maintaining a certain level of whatever energy this this movie and this story require. But I think the most marked thing for me was the fact that there were so many monologues and there were such long scenes in all this dialogue that it sort of just felt like you're constantly running lines and making sure they're in your body so you can actually do your job and not sound like you're reciting.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  So that was a major, you know, beyond all the physical elements of it, that was the thing I was the most kind of worried about on a nightly basis after work was like, well, we're counting down till the monologue where I'm, I'm talking to him for six, seven pages and that, you know, whatever it might be. Um, or our dinner table scene, which was so long and so amazingly written and you just want to make sure you're not missing anything, you know. Um, so yeah, I mean, it's, it's taxing in a, in a wonderful way. Like I feel so lucky that this is my job. I've always feel insane saying like, God, it's so hard. It's like, it's also the best. It's such a dream.

• 21:05Josh Horowitz?

  Does making a film that's dealing with like, our divided world dystopian kind of times that we're living in, help you deal with the dystopian times we're living in? Or does like marinating in that almost like, I don't know. I would imagine from your perspective, like, like film can be, your work can be a cathartic way to escape all of that, but this is about that.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  It's a really fascinating thing to get to do, to be asked and to ask yourself to go into these headspaces and live in the shoes of these people. It really is. I don't know if I ever find it necessarily cathartic or, or like therapy, but it, it definitely rewires my brain a bit afterwards. Um, I feel like I can look at certain things differently. Um, which is a really amazing thing to do because you really are just like trying to embody a completely different, you know, mindset and obviously finding all those parts that are already within yourself that, you know, apply to it. But what do you think, Jeffy? Oh, we call him Jeffy P. Lemmons.

• 22:10Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, that's your new?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Josh Horowitz?

  That's like-

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Since kinds of kindness, yeah.

• 22:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah. That's your DJ moniker?

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Changing it officially.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Jeffy P.

• 22:16Josh Horowitz?

  Right here, right now.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  An announcement on the Happy Sad Confused Podcast.

• 22:21Josh Horowitz?

  Finally, an exclusive. Thank you, guys.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Changed my name back a long time ago and he's changing his back too, to his birth name, Jeffy P. Lemmons.

• 22:30Josh Horowitz?

  What were we talking about?

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:32Josh Horowitz?

  As catharsis, as, uh, yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  I, uh, and I, I think it's actually, the way I kind of explain it, think about it is it's just the most unique way to learn something. Because you're gathering all this information, you're just kind of following whatever is interesting to you when you're preparing for something. And then you're trying to like get inside of it and experience it in a way that is partially you, but partially outside of you. And so it's, that's what I'm always really grateful for is it does, I think, kind of

• 23:19Speaker 04

  shape who you are in some way, just because you spend so much time.

• 23:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  In some space, you know?

• 23:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  And there's also the, the really cool aspect of getting to learn new skills because you have to for a role. So like, learning to shoot a machine gun for Zombieland was crazy. Like, I've shot a machine gun. Or, or stunt driving. Or, uh, I had to learn to scuba for Kind of Kindness because I'm trapped at the bottom of a pool for seven hours. Like, and that was so meditative and exciting and now I'm like really excited to keep scuba diving. But it was something that I never probably would have.

• 23:53Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Thought to do, had it not been for a character. So that's, you learn a lot of strange skills.

• 23:59Josh Horowitz?

  You can join like the Mission Impossible force. You have like the resume, scuba diving, machine gun skills.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  But then.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  I'll be right there.

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Have you ever experienced something where you learn a new skill and you have to just do it so much that after the film?

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Never wanted to do that.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  I never want to. That was, I had a, uh, I had, I played a professional cyclist in this movie called The Program with the great Stephen Frears and Ben Foster and I played Floyd Landis. And I only had like a month to, um, to prep and lose a bunch of weight. And we were actually in Boulder, uh, for that training with Lance Armstrong, one of his actual trainers. And it was just such an intense experience trying to lose the weight and. Learn how to look like a professional cyclist that I don't think I really got on a bike until Bucogna. Or not, not, not for long. I know, and I actually enjoyed it again.

• 24:56Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, good.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  It brought me back to it. So, full circle.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  I didn't have a pastel donata until, uh, like, two months ago, after Poor Things having to shove thirty in my mouth in a day. I was like, I never want to eat a Portuguese tart again. And then, you know what? I had one recently, and it was great. It was nice when you just eat one instead of thirty.

• 25:17Josh Horowitz?

  Right, that's a recommended, yeah. Good, good tip for the audience, thank you for that.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  No problem, thanks, guys. Lots more tips.

• 25:23Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk about the really important stuff, shaving your head, which, like, it's a disproportionate, we can say, there's a disproportionate amount of fascination about physical transformations, I feel like, for film.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  You're very right.

• 25:34Josh Horowitz?

  Versus the other stuff.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  It's always the case, yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  Also, the word unrecognizable.

• 25:39Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  Gets thrown around a lot.

• 25:41Josh Horowitz?

  A little overstated sometimes.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it looks like him. Looks like her.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Looks a lot like him. Unless someone's in, like, extreme prosthetics, it doesn't really, really make sense.

• 25:52Josh Horowitz?

  So, when you did do that, and I remember, like, we, I think, talked at the time you had the baseball cap, like, was it intentionally trying to be secretive about it, or was it just, like, did you want it to be a surprise for the film? Was that the idea?

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we had talked about it, because one of the, one of the fun things with Poor Things was that there, we were in Budapest, and no one had seen any imagery from the film, so when, when it came out, the, like, really, really, you know, like, floor-length hair was a fun kind of surprise. And I think we kind of felt that way about just the being fully bald, too. So, it was just, like, a couple months before I had a little bit of hair. I mean, this has been almost a year, and I thought it would be a lot longer by now.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  I did, too.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  It would have been if it was you, you grew hair quick.

• 26:34Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say, not enough attention is paid to these locks in the film. Come on, Jesse. I've got, like, Jeff Bridges-level amazing hair.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  No, it wasn't all me.

• 26:42Josh Horowitz?

  No?

• 26:42Speaker 04

  No.

• 26:43Josh Horowitz?

  All movie secrets.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 26:44Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Sorry, everybody. I was long.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Unrecognizable.

• 26:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yes. Let's talk about our own personal echo chambers, because that, there's a little bit of, you've talked a bit, a little bit about this, how we all have created, whether knowingly or not, like, this reductive kind of world we live in on social media, like, you know, my social media feed is just New York City bakeries and dog content. What, what's the algorithm feed either of you?

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm not telling you that.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 27:14Josh Horowitz?

  One little innocent taste.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  My, um, oh, mine's like alternately depressing and insane.

• 27:24Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Um, especially on my TikTok algorithm. That one's really terrifying.

• 27:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:34Josh Horowitz?

  Jesse, are you, are you not taking the talk? Are you out there?

• 27:36Speaker 04

  No, not TikTok, but I'm just YouTube. A lot of photography videos.

• 27:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  Of all different kinds.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  He's a photographer.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  He's an amazing photographer.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  So it's mainly just photos of my, my two little dudes.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  No, you learned film photography and you've gotten so, like, you've become a bit of an expert.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  I wouldn't say that.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Daddy Pig would say on Peppa.

• 28:05Josh Horowitz?

  That's your algorithm, Peppa Pig?

• 28:06Speaker 01

  I'm a bit of an expert. There's definitely some Peppa in there.

• 28:11Josh Horowitz?

  So, um.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Having a four year old. I'm not watching it, I swear. I mean, I watch it with her.

• 28:15Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right. Who among previous co-stars do you believe has the most potential to actually be an alien? You think? Who, who would you not be shocked by if they tomorrow said, by the way, I'm not from this planet?

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Willem.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:28Josh Horowitz?

  Good call.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 28:30Josh Horowitz?

  Totally good call.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  But if they're like Willem, I'm cool with that.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Me too. I hang out with them all the time. Beam me up.

• 28:37Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing, amazing.

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• 30:05Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, you're out and about in the world. What what comes up most nowadays for you, each of you respectively? Does it change according to what you've just done? Or are there constants that keep coming back that are referenced by by the public at a Starbucks or whatever? A wine that's quoted, something they want to ask you about?

• 30:25Speaker 04

  It's a few for me. I would say the most consistent are Breaking Bad, Friday Night Lights. But then I get a lot of Gary from Game Night.

• 30:38Josh Horowitz?

  I'm obsessed with Gary.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  I get.

• 30:40Josh Horowitz?

  Still my favorite gif of all time, I think, him just slipping back into the darkness. It's just.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Gary, Civil War.

• 30:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  For a while.

• 30:51Josh Horowitz?

  Do people still ask you about the Friday Night Lights murder? Do they still want to talk to you about it?

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Sometimes, you know, Hila, just watched all of Friday Night Lights.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  I bet she was obsessed with it.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, she loved it. But we talked about that recently, our first AD on Begonia and kind of kindness. Yeah, occasionally.

• 31:14Josh Horowitz?

  But because it does, I mean, for actors, I would imagine sometimes you're put in a weird spot where like, I don't know if you feel like you have to justify the actions of characters you've played 15 years ago. But like there are like these like moments, like whether it's like me at the end of Lala Land. Like, I would imagine still occasionally someone wants to say to you like, she should have ended up with Sebastian, you know, like Seb, like, or no, does that really go away?

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Not really. I don't really interact with a lot of people who are like telling me plot points of the film. It's more just like, you were in Lala Land. And I'm like, yeah. But I do get called Emma Watson all the time, all the time.

• 31:48Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you were great in Harry Potter.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:54Josh Horowitz?

  Last time either of you had to audition for something, do you remember?

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Um, for, yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  I mean, that doesn't look promising, does it?

• 32:06Josh Horowitz?

  You remember?

• 32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I auditioned for The Favorite.

• 32:10Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 32:13Josh Horowitz?

  Is it a relief that, that's probably that part of your existence is in the back, in the rearview mirror at this point? Like, was that something you felt a lot of tension about?

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Well, yes and no. I'm completely open to auditioning and I think it's actually a really helpful process. In a lot of ways, even though it's, you know, it's obviously brutal in a lot of ways, too. It does give you a chance to sort of test out the character.

• 32:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  That we maybe don't get as often anymore, which is a little scary because you're, someone's saying like, oh, I think you can do this. And you're like, fuck, can I do this? And it's something I really want to do, but there's no like process where they've seen you attempt it.

• 32:48Josh Horowitz?

  And proving it to yourself, too, like in real time.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, ki- kind of. You get this sort of, um, preview of what it will be for you or what places you'll go that is a little bit different now. Um, so.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it used to stress me out.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  The early, the early days of getting into that phase where I wasn't auditioning. I remember being pretty stressed. It's like, you're, you're sure?

• 33:19Speaker 01

  You're totally, because I'm not.

• 33:21Josh Horowitz?

  You could probably do better.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 33:23Josh Horowitz?

  You feel good about this?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:25Josh Horowitz?

  What about imposter syndrome at this point? Do you ever feel like day one on a set, like, oh, this was a mistake?

• 33:30Speaker 01

  I only feel that.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  I'm always nervous, yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:34Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 33:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I think that means you care.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, it kind of freaks me out, uh, meeting actors who are like, oh, man, I'm just, I'm great. I'm so proud of the stuff I did there. Like, I just really.

• 33:47Josh Horowitz?

  Killed it again.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  I feel so comfortable. I'm like, oh, boy, that must be.

• 33:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  I guess nice, but also it's a little scary.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  The only time I leave a set. Feeling like good or on a high is when I, when I'm, you know, thinking back and I finally re- like come to the realization like, I don't know what else I could have tried. That's a good feeling.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

• 34:10Speaker 04

  That's the closest thing to like satisfaction.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  But even, even that, it's almost like the feeling that you have when you break up with somebody after a long time and you've tried everything. And then you still have to break up. It's that kind of feeling. It's like a relief, but you're also like, God, that sucks. You know, ouch. It could have been better, probably, but I tried all I could.

• 34:29Josh Horowitz?

  Now it's done forever.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Now it's done forever and people have to go see that.

• 34:33Josh Horowitz?

  There was one other random thing I did want to mention about Begonja. Was this your first time singing Chapel Rohn in the car to yourself?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Oh God, no, of course not.

• 34:43Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have a go to song or artist that you find yourself singing to?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Chapel Rohn.

• 34:48Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I did, I did suggest that song for the film, yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 04

  A few days ago, it was that other song that Sabrina Carver did.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  I could not stop singing. I'm working late because I'm a singer. And then Jeffy was like, oh my God, now it's in my head. I just kept singing it.

• 35:08Josh Horowitz?

  I do want to close the loop on some, one conversation I had. I haven't talked to you on camera since, uh, the whole Spider-Man No Way Home thing because Andrew told me something amazing that I thought was fascinating. He lied to the world, of course, that he was going to be in that film. And then afterwards I talked to him about it and he said that he lied to you as well.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:26Josh Horowitz?

  Is that true? He, you asked him?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  I asked him if he was gonna be in that and he was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like, what? Oh, I guess that means no?

• 35:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  But it wasn't no, it was yes.

• 35:39Josh Horowitz?

  That's, I guess, a dedication to something.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Oh, good for him.

• 35:43Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  He kept it really close to the best.

• 35:45Josh Horowitz?

  Did you ever see the film? Because it's kind of amazing that like there's an emotional moment in that film that has, you're obviously not in it, but really has to do with your character.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:54Josh Horowitz?

  In that film.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what? I actually have not seen it.

• 35:56Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it.

• 35:57Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  No. It would be very emotional, I'm sure.

• 36:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I heard it was fantastic. I will see it eventually.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  So where do we go from here, guys?

• 36:08Speaker 01

  That was the end of the interview. Thanks so much, Josh.

• 36:13Josh Horowitz?

  Here's what I would imagine is kind of an emotional thing in a blockbuster. So you're gonna be playing Plutarch in this Hunger Games film, which obviously you knew Phil, you worked with Phil Hoffman. Is that part of the equation of like, I don't know, honoring what he did in those films and doing this part?

• 36:30Speaker 04

  I wasn't saying that because I wanted a question.

• 36:36Josh Horowitz?

  That's what happens.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Just to be clear, no comment.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  So, can you say that again?

• 36:47Josh Horowitz?

  Well, joining this franchise as that particular character, having known Phil and worked with Phil, that adds a whole nother dimension, I would imagine, to taking on that character. Was that part of the equation of taking it on, like, oh, I get to kind of honor what he did and...

• 37:01Speaker 04

  It was one... I don't know if this makes sense, but it was actually one of the things that made me question if I wanted to do it.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  No offense, because I could just flash forward to the press and, you know, all of that. Which I don't mind, you know, I don't, it's fine. But I think I have such respect and admiration for him that, you know... And it's a thing that people have said, which doesn't quite compute to me, but is obviously really nice to hear. But, um, yeah, I think I just decided, you know what, I wanna do it. I like the part and I like the script and I like the director and the cast, so here we go.

• 37:48Josh Horowitz?

  Is that the next gig?

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:50Josh Horowitz?

  And uncharacteristically, I don't see anything, any future project that you're about to shoot. Are you taking a minute or do you have something next?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  I haven't done anything since Begonia, which has been kind of, kind of, uh, wild. We're producing, we're producing films, but I'm not, I'm not in them. But I'm doing two projects next year, which I guess I'm not supposed to talk about yet, because nobody knows about them, but I'm very excited for.

• 38:14Josh Horowitz?

  But isn't that, your husband is gonna direct you in a film?

• 38:17Speaker 01

  That's a different thing.

• 38:18Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  That's, yeah.

• 38:20Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Not including that, that idea in those, but yeah.

• 38:25Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Eventually I'll tell you, Josh.

• 38:26Josh Horowitz?

  I know, I know.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  I'll give you a call.

• 38:28Josh Horowitz?

  I'll wait it out, thank you. Okay, we're gonna end with this, the Happy Sad Confused Profoundly Random Questions. Tag team on this.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  I love random questions. Happy Sad Confused?

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Have you done this random question thing?

• 38:38Josh Horowitz?

  No, she hasn't. She hasn't done the official podcast since 2016.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  We did random questions.

• 38:43Josh Horowitz?

  We've done random questions for MTV, you're right. But this is a different random questions. Okay, here we go.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:47Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs or cats?

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Dogs.

• 38:50Josh Horowitz?

  Correct answer, well done, okay.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  Sorry, Kirsten.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  Does she love cats?

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's a cat lady.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 38:57Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have both, or?

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Um, we did have a dog. He was an old beagle that passed away a little while ago. But yeah, she's had cats her whole life.

• 39:06Josh Horowitz?

  Do either of you collect anything?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good question. I, I've been starting to collect souvenirs from places that I've been, but like really simple, like tourist shop souvenirs, like a bottle opener or like a keychain, things like that. So I try to do that everywhere I go now.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  I guess I don't really collect much else. Do you collect anything?

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Records and now.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Cameras.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Cameras and lenses and stuff like that.

• 39:36Josh Horowitz?

  Nice.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:37Josh Horowitz?

  Favorite video game of all time?

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Donkey, Donkey Kong Country, or Super Nintendo?

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Mario Kart.

• 39:45Josh Horowitz?

  Love it. Uh, this is the Dakota Johnson Memorial Question. She asked me this, I ask everybody this. Would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 39:53Speaker 01

  One bee in my butt.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  I think, I, I think I agree with that.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  At least it's just one.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  It's just one.

• 40:00Josh Horowitz?

  Ninety-two percent of the answers are that.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Really?

• 40:03Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, people go with that. What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 40:07Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  My kid.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Mine too, but the, the app, I've had it for like probably six years because I will just never be beaten. It's a collage of my oldest, uh, son's face when he was a baby, just making every face imaginable. And it's just, it's the best.

• 40:27Josh Horowitz?

  Be happy, sad, and confused faces perhaps?

• 40:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, all of us, yeah.

• 40:30Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, last actor you were mistaken for, I guess it's?

• 40:33Speaker 01

  It's always Emma Watson.

• 40:37Josh Horowitz?

  Currently?

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, I have a really quick, funny one. What, the, the day after my 28th birthday, I went to see Alan Cumming perform at like Carnegie Hall. And I was there with my friend Noah and someone came up and we were trying to find our seats and he said, hey, do you mind if I take a picture with you? And I was like, oh, sorry, we're just, we're trying to find our seats, whatever. And he was understandably a little pissed and he goes, all right, well, I loved you on Will and Grace.

• 41:05Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, are you?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Swear to God, he thought I was Deborah Messing. Yeah, he thought I was Deborah Messing. So I, I, I'm still called Deborah Messing too this day by Noah. It's been almost 10 years and I will always be Deborah.

• 41:17Josh Horowitz?

  You get Deborah Messing too sometimes?

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Sometimes get Deborah.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  I do.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  I think there, what I'm, I don't know, it's like all the, all, all the people with sort of red hair.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  With a strawberry blonde.

• 41:32Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right. Little orphaned.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  Even, yeah, even some guy that was like, yeah. Even some guy that was on a, like an MTV reality show, maybe.

• 41:44Josh Horowitz?

  Gosh, okay.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, just.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  You get Matt Damon too.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, but people generally don't actually think I'm him.

• 41:53Josh Horowitz?

  All right, we're gonna wrap it up with this, uh, worst noted director has ever given you. What comes to mind?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  I've, I've got one. But it, it, it was one that I witnessed. I can say where or who, but it was, I think, I think this scene's a little more.

• 42:14Josh Horowitz?

  That, that clears up.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  That was bad.

• 42:22Josh Horowitz?

  He didn't actually vomit, like, yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Oh, it's hard to, it's hard to think, there's been so many.

• 42:32Josh Horowitz?

  Lie down, get comfortable. Where do you want to start?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Exactly. I've got a lot to parse through with you, Josh.

• 42:39Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a kind of direction that you can't stand? That just is not helpful?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  I think the hardest thing for me is when the director doesn't know what they want and they want to just try a bunch of stuff so they can figure out what they want. That is, that always freaks me out in a director.

• 42:55Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  You know, to not have a sort of, even if they haven't seen it yet, to be able to sort of guide it in that direction and not change their minds and like, let's just get 17 takes of something all different ways.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Just to go all the way back around what you were doing in the beginning.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  It's just like, yeah, it really, that's what, that's the hardest for me is the feeling that they don't really, I like when they're a little bit more clear on what they're trying to do or trying to, you know, what we're trying to achieve here.

• 43:21Josh Horowitz?

  Fair enough.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  So actually, I kind of love that note. I think this scene is...

• 43:25Josh Horowitz?

  Very clear.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  You know what it means.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  I know exactly what it means and I'd be like, got it.

• 43:32Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you guys for the time. I know you don't, you're not doing a lot of this while I tell you, right? Because there are better, more fun things to do, see movies and just enjoy the nature. But I appreciate both of you, truly.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Always good chatting with you.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  Thank you for having us.

• 43:43Josh Horowitz?

  And the movie is fantastic. Everybody check it out. Begonia, Jeffy P.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Lemons.

• 43:47Josh Horowitz?

  Jeffy P. Lemons, Emma, Emily, whatever you want.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Emma, Emily, Stone, Rockstone.

• 43:54Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you, guys. Appreciate you.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't prepared to do this by Josh.

• 44:18Speaker 05

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