#2389 - Sal Vulcano

Sal Vulcano is a stand-up comic and the co-creator, star, and executive producer of the comedy show “Impractical Jokers." He’s also the co-host of the podcasts “Hey Babe!” with Chris Distefano and “Taste Buds” with Joe DeRosa. Catch his latest special, “Terrified,” on HBO Max.www.salvulcanocomedy.comwww.youtube.com/@salvulcanoofficialhttps://www.hbomax.com/movies/sal-vulcano-terrified/587fe357-435e-449d-bf43-c5555fd1e009 Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at happydad.com This video is sponsored by BetterHelp. Visit https://BetterHelp.com/JRE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  What's up?

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  What's up?

• 0:13Speaker 02

  What's up?

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time I saw you?

• 0:15Speaker 02

  It was, I was here promoting my special, uh, man, it was, uh, June of last year.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Damn, time flies.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  A fucking whole year.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  I've had another child since then even.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh my goodness, congratulations.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  Thank you, dude.

• 0:28Joe Rogan?

  Look at you out there breeding.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  Contributing to the population. How old are you?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Um, forty, I'll be forty-nine in November, so.

• 0:35Joe Rogan?

  Did you do the math, like, when your kid's twenty?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Oh, bro, I've done every math, every piece of math you could do. It's depressing.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  You gotta get healthy.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I have, that's exactly what happened. I started with a trainer four weeks ago and, uh, and, and just did all this blood work and taking all these scans and tests and stuff now just because I'm like, I have to.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  I have to be here as long as possible.

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  It changes the game when you have children.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  You can fuck off and do coke and heroin and fucking sleep.

• 1:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Luckily, I wasn't doing that.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  No, but as soon as you have a kid, you're like, oh my God, I want to leave my kid.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  I was eating whatever cereal.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  I was like backing out of the driveway not looking, but like now.

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Most of my Instagram algorithm is things that I shouldn't eat.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  It's like sandwiches, sandwiches and pizza.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  You have trouble with that stuff?

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  No, not at all.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't have trouble.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  I just know it's not good for you.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Mostly, I eat good stuff.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  What's, what's, what's like a, yeah, you're like an, like a, like an egg white?

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I eat yolks.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:36Joe Rogan?

  Yolks are the healthy part.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  Yolks, yeah, yeah.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I eat the whole egg, but I have chickens, so I eat fresh eggs.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  Are you like a, like, do you have like a diet, like an Olympic, like, are you like an Olympian?

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Are you like weighing your food and like?

• 1:48Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, I eat way too much. If I weighed my food, I'd be like, I eat for a three-hundred-pound man.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, is that because, that's because of how much you exercise and stuff?

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  It's not that, but it's also I'm a glutton.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00Joe Rogan?

  I'm a glutton.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  But you could do it.

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I can get away with it, but I do eat a lot. Like, if I go out to dinner, I will eat a, a large steak, I will have multiple sides, I will have multiple appetizers, and then I look like I'm pregnant when I leave.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  That's how you eat, yeah, you just

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  I fucking eat, I eat a lot of food, man. It's not, it's not smart.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  How do you burn all your calories? Is it all like, is it all like jujitsu stuff?

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  I do a lot of working out, but I also do intermittent fasting. I'm just smart about when to be a glutton and then when to back off. And I just don't keep my foot on the gas, that's all. But like when I go to New York, it's all Italian food. It's Italian food for like three days.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  You gotta.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  You have to.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  I can eat it every day.

• 2:44Joe Rogan?

  I could too. It's a problem. It's a problem. It's all Italian subs and pasta and.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  You have favorite spots in New York?

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a bunch of spots. I got a bunch of spots. I got a spot in Vegas too. We were just at this place, Gaetano's. It's all handmade pasta with imported flour from Italy. We ate there after the fights. Oh, my God.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  I have to go there. I'm gonna, I'm going through Vegas on, I'm still touring the tour that I was here with Les. That started in 24, I'm going through till, all the way through 26.

• 3:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice. Damn.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I took like a three month, well, I took a break when I had my, my new baby and then I took like a little bit of a, like a six month, but now I'm like back at it full. I got a bunch of big shows coming up, so I was like, let me get out there and like tell people I'm still alive.

• 3:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you got, you gotta get out there if you want to do something, because it's like, you know, if you just work in the city, you can't really put together an hour.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I piece it together. I mean, I'm, I'm constantly on the road. I just, I just went down just to have a little bit of a breather, because we just finished wrapping season 12 of, of the show. And so I was touring and doing the show and I had, and I had a kid. So it's like, I just couldn't even, and then we produced another show and all that shit in between. So it's like, I just haven't been, I went on hiatus on my podcast and stuff, because I had to, something had to give. So now it's like, let me, let me just get back out there and just, and now I'm not filming, I'm just really focusing on the tour and like a new pod I got coming out.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  When you do stand up, do you take guys with you that are your friends on the road?

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the move. Yeah, all the time.

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  That's the only way to go.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  It makes it, it makes it.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Fun.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, fun.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're with buddies. It's like a vacation that you get to work at.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, if, if I, if I didn't, it's, it can get, it can get depressing fast.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  Real fast. If you're solo.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Super fast.

• 4:33Joe Rogan?

  If you're solo and you're working with local openers, especially if they, they, they're boring.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:38Joe Rogan?

  And they're, they're not fun to hang out with.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's in the club and the groom. I'm even talking about like the hotel and stuff.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's bad too.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:45Joe Rogan?

  You just gotta find things to do. For me, it's always I work out and I play pool. So those are two things that occupy a lot of my time. So that's good.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  I didn't work out and I didn't play pool, so.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  I'm like, I got this guy, right? And I'm like, um, I'm weak. I have no stamina. I'm old. And like, I need to reverse all this, you know, like, so like, you're gonna start with me now and I'm really gonna show you nothing like I.

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  That means you're gonna be able to see progress.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  I understand where I am here.

• 5:16Joe Rogan?

  But that's good.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  You'll be able to see progress.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  It's all, no matter where you're at, if you're thinking about working out, do it. Because it's a good place to start, no matter where you're at.

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:26Joe Rogan?

  If you're really fit, great, good place to start.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:29Joe Rogan?

  Get even more fit.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 5:31Joe Rogan?

  If you're out of shape, great, good place to start. Good place to start. Baby steps, don't go too hard, don't get hurt, build up slow.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. I got some blood work back and I was like, I need to change somebody's numbers. And like, also, I got like a, it's like an in-depth blood work. And like, they, like, they told me all this extra stuff that I couldn't have known. And one is I'm very susceptible to soft tissue injury.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you're a bitch.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a bitch. It said bitch. I was translating it. It said bitch on the paper and then this is how I make myself feel better about it.

• 6:04Joe Rogan?

  How do you determine whether you're soft tissue?

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Whether you're a bitch?

• 6:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That doesn't even make any sense.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  I don't know. It just said I'm very susceptible to like, like, I guess, whatever it is, ligament bruising, ligament, like that kind of stuff.

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's just from years of not lifting weights. That's all that is.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  You think that's just changed my blood so that that's, yeah?

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Well, I told the guy and he's like, all right, that's good to know. And then like, like my sixth session, I like, like, we were doing that thing where like I throw a medicine bowl down really hard and then like catch it and then swing it to him. And like on the swing to him, I was like, ah!

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta, I would never have you do stuff like that to start out with.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  To start out, you should do bodyweight stuff and you should do it like moderately. Like when I had a bunch of guys in here, we were doing comedians workouts on Tuesdays. And one of the things that we always did was you sometimes did Tuesdays and Thursdays, but one of the things we always did in if anybody's just starting out, I'm like, do not go to failure, do not push yourself. I don't, I want you to get out of here and feel fine.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, he did say that for, to be fair, he's not like killing me or anything. But we worked up to that, but that, that one, and then we just backed off of it.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, rotational stuff is difficult because you know, you're putting all, especially if you're not particularly coordinated and you're throwing a lot of torque, you know, one way or the other way when you throw in a medicine ball, especially.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  I got tons of torque here.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  Torque.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  A lot, I got so much torque, right?

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• 9:58Joe Rogan?

  fast and simple. Download Apple Sports for free on the App Store or find it on your new iPhone. What would determine whether or not you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury? The only thing that makes sense is that you haven't been working out. Like unless there's a biomarker.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:17Joe Rogan?

  Is there?

• 10:17Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah.

• 10:19Joe Rogan?

  Let's, let's try perplexity out. This is our new sponsor. Let's find out, put that in perplexity, find out what is a biomarker that would indicate you're more susceptible to soft tissue injury.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  I have my results in a PDF somewhere. I can call my doctor.

• 10:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, we'll find out. We'll find out quick. But it just, to me, the only thing that would make sense is that you haven't been using that tissue. That's the only thing that would make sense. And there's probably things that they could show in terms of levels of like creatinine. I think that's how you say it. And maybe some other stuff that would indicate. Here it goes. What biomarker would indicate one susceptible to soft tissue injuries? Um, well-supported biomarker that indicates susceptibility to soft tissue injuries, genetic variant. Oh, and the elastin, E L N gen, gene. Interesting. Which has been identified as a marker of ligament weakness and may signal increased risk of injury. Whoa.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go.

• 11:18Joe Rogan?

  So that's what you have?

• 11:19Speaker 02

  I'm a variant. I'm a, uh, what do you call those? What do you call those X-Men? I'm a mutant.

• 11:24Joe Rogan?

  So this is the word I was looking for. Classic serum protein markers like creatine kinase, uh, lactate. What's that word? Diodrogenase and myoglobin reflect muscle tissue breakdown and can indicate tissue vulnerability or prior damage. But their use in predicting susceptibility as opposed to recent injury is less robust. Recent research has also shown that profiling early healing stages through mass spectromi- spectro- Jesus Christ. Spectrometry can identify multiple proteins whose baseline alterations may point to greater risk for delayed or poor recovery. Hmm. So what has this guy got you doing?

• 12:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is a typical workout for you?

• 12:12Speaker 02

  He switches it up every single, every single time.

• 12:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's good.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  I've been doing, I've been seeing him about four weeks, three times a week.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  How'd you find him?

• 12:20Speaker 02

  He actually lived in the building next to me.

• 12:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  And I ran into him. This weird stuff has been happening like this lately. Like, I'm like, I really gotta get a trainer. And I was like, walking in between, we had a little thing in between the buildings. And he, like, he just was there talking to someone. And he mentioned, because I'm a physical trainer, I'm like, I need someone. He's like, I'll walk over, we'll do it. So I do it like 6:30 in the morning. That's the thing that's a little harder, too, is like, the only time I could do it is 6:30. In the morning, cause I have like a, you know.

• 12:44Joe Rogan?

  That's good though.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  No, I know.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Started the right way.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  It is good and I, it's been crazy like how much I feel like I've done now by like two, two o'clock in the afternoon. But when that alarm goes off at like six and I know he's waiting downstairs and you know, I'm just like now it's, cause now it's winter like back home, I don't know about here, but like it's still completely pitch. Black outside, you know, like, so just getting up in that darkness and be like, my wife's sleeping, I'm putting on a fucking headband.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  I wore a hat first, but I was like, I need to get, no, I bought like, I got like fancy, I bought like a Lululemon.

• 13:19Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  It's not, it's like, I don't know. Yeah. I, I look, I look the part.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 13:27Joe Rogan?

  Listen, that's, it's all the, looking the part's fun. It's all a part of just, just fucking doing it.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  It's been good. It's, I felt immediate, it's immediately, it changes my, this is that release. It just feels great. The first workout, I felt like right afterwards, I was like. This is amazing.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, as long as you don't go too hard. That's what I always tell everybody. You can't, you're not gonna be able to keep up. If you, you try a crazy pace. Right off the bat, you're not gonna be able to keep up with it and you're gonna, you're not gonna be able to recover. You're gonna get broken down. You gotta build it slow.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  I, it used to take care of itself with like just sports and stuff, like, but I don't, I don't do that anymore. You know, like I haven't done that in forever. Are you a good athlete outside of like. Whatever training you do, like are you a, at sports? Like, do you play any sports?

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  I own, the only sport I played, I played baseball when I was a kid. And then once I started doing martial arts, when I was in my early teens, I quit. Everything.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 14:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  And just focused on that.

• 14:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, for me, it's like, I hated team sports, cause I'm kind of, you know, stubborn and like. I either struck out or hit a homerun, no matter what happened. They were always like, they were always like, get on base. I'd be like, right. I'm going for the bleachers bitch. And either I was a hero or everybody was mad at me. And that's how I always played. I didn't care. Like I'm not gonna be a loser because Billy dropped the ball in the in fucking left field.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't care.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  Like and so then when I found wrestling, I was like, okay, this is better. This is just me. And then I got into martial arts and I was like, okay, this I like. This is just like I can, I either put in the work and get better or I don't. I either win or I lose. There's no

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  weird gray area. The only gray area is decisions. Decisions sucked. Because there's a lot of biased judges and you know, if you're in like someone's hometown and you

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, for real?

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  Terrible.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  That blatant?

• 15:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Don't you remember Roy Jones Jr. In the Olympics?

• 15:24Speaker 02

  I

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  Roy Jones Jr. And it was actually a beautiful moment that because Roy Jones Jr. In the Olympics. He boxed beautifully. It was a perfect performance in the finals and he lost. There's no way he lost, but it was in Korea and it was against the Korean national champion.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:43Joe Rogan?

  And so the Korean national champion, he won the gold medal and then came to visit Roy Jones recently and gave him the gold medal and said, you should have won that fight.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Like recently, recently?

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, recently, recently. Yeah.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Wow. That's like the never?

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  But when I was a kid and I watched that, I was so disheartened. Because I'd seen that in Taekwondo a lot.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  I'd seen that in kickboxing a lot. And it's just, it's embarrassing. It's just when you see like blatant, obvious corruption and that, to me, that decision is one of the worst examples of blatant corruption. Because Roy Jones just ran away with that fight. The only thing he didn't do is knock that guy out, but he beat his ass.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  They don't feel repercussions when it's that obvious?

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  It's all subjective. It happens in the UFC.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  It happens in the UFC all the time. There's bad decisions and, and you know, and it's infuriating. It's infuriating to the athlete too, because particularly in the UFC, there's a win bonus. So imagine if you beat a guy, like you really hit the gas in the second and third round, you fucking burn yourself out. You get the decision, you're like, I fucking did it. I did it. Your corner celebrating, we got it. We got it. The last two rounds, all you, all you. And then you hear the judges and you're like, no fucking way. They robbed me.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 17:03Joe Rogan?

  And it happens. It happens all the time. So, so say if you're a young guy and you're starting out in the UFC and you have a contract, maybe it's like fifteen and fifteen. What that means is you get fifteen thousand to show and then fifteen thousand to win. So if you lose, you only get that fifteen thousand. So those judges just stole fifteen thousand dollars from you. When you're struggling just to feed yourself, right? And if you're getting fifteen thousand dollars to fight, you have to pay for managers, you have to pay for your gym fees. You have to pay for nutrition. You have to pay for supplements, you know, you have to, maybe you're getting a massage once a week. You gotta pay for that. It's like, you don't have any money. You have zero money.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  You have to work a job. There's no way you're doing that without a job.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  If you're lucky, you could teach. You know, if you're lucky, you can maybe teach private, like if you're a jujitsu guy or a kickboxer, you could teach people during the day.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  But other than that, man, you fucking, you're barely getting by and they just stole fifteen grand from you.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 18:00Joe Rogan?

  It happens all the time.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  And nothing comes of it, right? Is a P O's, P O's a bullshit?

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  We, we get mad, you know, we talk about it in the commentary and we, you know, Daniel particularly gets upset because he was a professional fighter and he's seen it.

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, but it's like, they always say, don't leave it in the judges' hands, but that's nonsense because you, these guys, you're not good enough to knock them out. And if you try to knock them out, you're gonna get knocked out.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you have to fight smart.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  So like, you always should fight the, the best you can, but smart.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:31Joe Rogan?

  And if you don't do that, you, you're not, you shouldn't be a professional fighter. It's because you're gonna get beat up when you shouldn't get beat up. You're gonna get hurt when you shouldn't get hurt, you know?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I didn't, I never did anything. I took karate for like six months. I never did. It was team sports for me, but it was, um, I wasn't particularly, I, I, I actually, when, uh, the first year our, our grammar school, got a basketball team. I was in a seventh grade and so if you were in eighth grade, you automatically made varsity. And then whatever remaining spots you had to try out. I wasn't really good, right, but I tried out and I was the last one cut. So I was the very first person to be placed on the JV team.

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  So the best of the JV, right? I. We didn't have a coach. The school did not have a basketball program. So my friend's mom, who prior to this just owned a bakery. She was like, oh, coach. I mean, she had no, she had no experience outside of pastries. And she got like a clipboard, like a whiteboard clipboard. And we met at the school gym and she started running drills with us. And it was like whoever else wanted to be play can play. So I, yes, I got cut last. So I was, you know.

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  How'd you do?

• 19:54Speaker 02

  I want, I was the MVP. So I was MVP of the team for the season.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Went to the award ceremony. No, let me finish talking.

• 20:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sorry.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll see. The team, first of all, so we weren't good. We knew we weren't good. And we were like, okay, watch this first team we're going to play is going to be like amazing. So we show up for this first game. Okay. We get to the Catholic CYO Center. It's like the Catholic Youth Organization gym. We get there. Every single kid on that team is just like Dominican. Or like, like we were all like scoring a little white kids. These kids were like six feet tall already. I'll never forget it. I walked in and you do drills in the beginning before you start the game. You all take, like going to line and take layups on your side. They're taking layups on their side.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  And I remember I locked eyes with some kid and he looked at me and he was dribbling the ball backwards through his legs as he walked backwards. And he didn't break eye contact with me. And then he like ran up and like, he did a layup and like tapped the backboard or whatever.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  We lost forty-four, nothing.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Forty-four, nothing.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  So, at the end of the game, you're supposed to like line up and you all like, you know, touch hands or whatever. And you go upstairs and there's the little rec room and you get like some Fritos and a juice box or whatever, right? So, this, the parents were there and the parents of this team were engaged. I mean, they were, I mean, shutout in basketball is pretty tough and the parents were going nuts. And so, at the end, when the buzzer sounded, like the parents were chanting, "Forty-four, zip, zip, forty-four, zip." And they were chanting it like loud, right? And then when we got online, the kids started chanting, the parents started chanting, the parents ran onto the court and I just, literally like, and we're shaking hands, they're all chanting forty-four, zip. We go all together up the stairs to get the juice box and the parents are screaming it

• 21:46Speaker 02

  up the hallway, forty-four, right in our face, like forty-four, zip, zip. I mean, literally, it was like the most humiliating experience. Next game, uh, we played Blessed Sacrament, we lost fifty-six, three. I had the three points.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Two points and a foul. A bucket and a foul, right? And then, we proceeded to go oh and fourteen on the year. The last, the last game of the season at halftime, I don't know what happened, we looked up and we were winning. It was the first time we ever had a lead, it was the last game of the year is halftime and someone was like, "Holy shit, we're fucking winning." And we looked up and it was like eighteen, sixteen or something and we lost. So, they proceed to have the awards dinner. Well, you know, everyone like, all the teams, it's like, it's a sports dinner, so like, they're doing all the awards for varsity, JV, across all the platforms and they insisted on doing it, so I was the MVP, I was the MVP of the team.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  Cause you scored the only three points.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  I had sixteen points on the season. 14 games, 16 points. I had to get up in front of everyone at the buffet. And, and take the trophy that said Sal Volcano MVP JV, you know, 1990, whatever it was. And I would just was like, thank you. You know, like we were 0 and 4. I had 16 fuckin'. But I have that. I have that trophy right now in my den on my mantle.

• 23:06Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  16 points on the season.

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• 24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, right away, I was just like.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  44 zip zip in your face by grownups?

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, Jesus.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  In, I mean, like, going like that.

• 24:28Joe Rogan?

  What kind of sportsmanship is that?

• 24:30Speaker 02

  There was none there that day. There was none there that day.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  There's something to be said for that. There's something to be said for that.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  We had no business behind that. I can only imagine what it looked like.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, if they, if they want their kids to be pros, you know?

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  If they want their kids to really dominate. You gotta really encourage the shit out of them.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, and for a lot of people, look, if you've got a kid that's six feet tall already, and you know, he's fucking fourteen, and he's really good already at basketball, you're like, we might get rich.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, this is like a shot.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true.

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, it's a giant shot.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Their own farm system.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if a kid can make it.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  In professional sports, oh my god, you know, it's your kid, and if you're a lower income people, and you know, you have a kid and your family's really into sports.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  It's a hope, it's a way out.

• 25:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man, I mean, it's like one of the rare things.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  It's a lot of pressure on those kids.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, I could imagine.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  We didn't have uniforms, our team. Every other team had uniforms. No, we wore gym uniforms.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Which was like, you know, like the short shorts and like just the T-shirt and stuff.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  And me, I was like such, I tucked mine in, my socks were up to my knees, that kind of thing.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  Perfect, sounds like a good movie, pitch it.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's my little giants or whatever. There's no win at the end, though.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't have to be.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  We failed miserably.

• 25:45Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to win.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Now, how hard it was to accept that trophy. It was hard.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  But now, it's like, great, it's like, I have the trophy and I like, I should, I never did it on stage, I should maybe work that into it.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a good setup for being a comedian.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, that kind of like humility. It's like, it humbles you.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  It's a good setup, like, you gotta realize.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  We're not all created equal.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  That's a crock of shit, man.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  I'm funnier than any one of those kids, I'll tell you that one.

• 26:14Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, like, the idea that everyone's created equal physically, that's a hilarious idea. You haven't met any extreme athletes. There's people out there that are just, they're different than all of us. It's just, it's not fair, that's just how the universe works. Some people's great grandparents were fucking Vikings.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, for real Vikings.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  I've been, I've been trying to like, figure out what else to do. Like, I just, I need some type of outlet because it's like, I haven't been doing.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you take up sport?

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Well, so I have, so another thing that happened to me, this was the weirdest thing ever. I was like, it just popped into my head. I don't know why. I was like, I think I want to learn how to sail. What I think I might have meant prob- maybe is like, I want to learn how to drive a boat. But like, I was like, I think I want to learn to sail. And so I was telling this to my wife and then like, just same thing as the trainer, like, uh, like a few days later, it was like four days later, I was at music class with my daughter and one of the dads was there with his daughter. And I was inviting him to go somewhere, like a group activity. And he was like, I'd love to, but I can't. I teach sailing that day.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  And I was like, are you serious? He's like, yeah. I was like.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  And you were already thinking about it?

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Four days ago, I said to my wife, I want to learn how to sail. He goes, let's go.

• 27:25Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that you have the ability to manifest things like that in your life? Do you ever wonder?

• 27:29Speaker 02

  I don't think, I, I don't, I don't.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  There are people that believe that. There are people that believe that the way your consciousness interacts with the universe.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  Is what makes things happen.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Fucking, let's go.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  Don't happen exactly as randomly as we want to believe that they do. But there are things that you do where you put energy out there.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  I'd like to believe it.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of examples of it. It's a weird one to believe in because I feel like it's an element to life. And the problem is people are always looking for it to be the element, like the thing. Like, do you remember that movie, The Secret?

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:05Joe Rogan?

  So during that time, a lot of people unfortunately got convinced that they could wish their life into existence.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got like a board.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vision board and all that stuff. I think that is a part of things. That, that putting something into your head is a part of things, but I don't, I don't think it's the whole thing.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  And I think if you think of it as the primary thing, instead of thinking of it as the, like, the whole thing is all these different pieces. Like, if you want to get healthy, you have to eat well, you have to take vitamins, you have to exercise, you have to sleep, you have to drink plenty of water, you have to cut out all the bad stuff, like alcohol and that. So there's a lot of elements. It's not just work out.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:44Joe Rogan?

  Right? There's a lot of elements. And I think that's the thing with like, manifesting stuff. I don't think it's entirely bullshit. I think there's something to it.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  I mean, look, you you start, you know, you start lining all your ducks in a row. Eventually, you know, something's gonna be cohesive, but but the thing of like me running into a guy.

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that that's like, what's that?

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying, the sailing and the fitness trainer. Like, right when you're putting it out there, I there's a lot of people that believe this, that that believe that what we think of as physical reality, just being static and locked down, it's not really the case. And that there's a strange dance between consciousness and physical reality that we're not totally aware of.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  And that we don't really have the senses to like be able to measure it, to to to somehow or another quantify it and put it on a scale, like what percentage of how your life goes depends on how you what kind of energy you put out there.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Energy's big, energy's big.

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  That's why I'm always very particular about who I hang out with.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 29:49Joe Rogan?

  Because people think it's no big deal to hang out with idiots, but the problem is you're absorbing their energy.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  And instead of hanging out with really cool people and you absorb their energy and everybody like gets out of there feeling fucking great.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  What a good time, what a good time.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  They just suck the energy.

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  They suck it and they make it about them and they get negative and they're fucking passive aggressive and weird or whatever it is. It's like, I don't wanna deal with him anymore, man.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you eventually shed those people.

• 30:15Joe Rogan?

  You should, you should, because they are energy.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  It's like you you can, and I think how you feel personally, like how your life is going has a giant effect on how your life can go, because you're thinking in a positive way. You know, like you're you're you're in the right groove, you're in the right vibration.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:36Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna get real hippie, you wanna get all crystal-y. But there there's something to it. It's not everything. It's not the whole thing. I don't think it should be dismissed. Cause I think there's a reality to it, cause I just, there's too many times, too many times, like how many times have you ever run into a fucking trainer? And the guy's telling you you're training, fucking never, right?

• 30:55Speaker 02

  The sailing one blew me away.

• 30:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how many times have you ever run into someone who teaches sailing?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  I went sailing the other day. Took my first one in New York Harbor, man.

• 31:01Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  It was crazy.

• 31:03Joe Rogan?

  My parents lived on a sailboat for like two years. Might have been more, might have been a little more. Yeah. Yeah, they just started, they.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Before you were born?

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, when I was already a grown man.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, right when I started getting on TV and I started making some loot. Um, I helped them get this sailboat and they got a sailboat and they just.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  They already sailed?

• 31:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they learned how to sail and did it.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Whoa, cause it's not easy by the way.

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  Gangster move. Yeah, and they were like living down like in the Bahamas and shit that's living off of a sailboat.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Wait, what kind of parents you got? My parents, this is, this is a foreign idea to me.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just took, they took this chance. They just decided like to let's see.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  They, they lived on it?

• 31:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, with a cat too, with our, our cat that we had when we were kids. The cat was on the boat with them.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  This is fascinating.

• 31:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were, uh, they took, well, they're still alive. I shouldn't say they were, they are. They, they, you know, they, they like to live life and so they wanted to take a chance.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  On the boat?

• 32:00Joe Rogan?

  I did, yeah, yeah, I visited them on the boat. Yeah, it was fun. Uh, I didn't visit them in the Bahamas. I visited them when they had it out here. Oh, they had it in America. But, uh, it was, uh, interesting cause like to, to be able to do that, that's a crazy skill. And they had to weather some storms. Like they had to get docked up during a storm. My stepdad had to go out to someone else's boat cause it wasn't tied down. And he had to tie this dude's boat down in the middle of a fucking storm.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's like life, yeah, life risking.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  Dangerous shit, yeah. They did it for a couple of years. My mom was like, dude, dude, we're done.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  What was the life before that? Like was his standard?

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  No, yeah, he's an architect and, uh, you know.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Cause that is a bold choice.

• 32:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a crazy choice.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Not even to just learn, cause it's like, I'm gonna live on this sailboat. I'm gonna go live in a tropical, I'm gonna live, I'm gonna learn how to sail.

• 32:48Joe Rogan?

  I think they just, you know, people don't like work, man. Like a regular job, like work sucks. And if you, and, and you get to a certain point in your life where your kids have left the house and you're like, this is life. This isn't like preparing for something.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  This is life.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:05Joe Rogan?

  I'm not preparing for life right now, so I don't wanna do this.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't like doing this. Let's just do something else while we can.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause it was, it, I mean, when you're out on a boat, is, that's what it is.

• 33:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what it is.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  It has a way of really like, yeah, center in you.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  It's like being in the mountains, like, or, you know, being in nature. When you're in nature, you go to the woods, like, okay, this is just, this is the only thing that matters, like this, this existence.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  I like that, cause I, I didn't grow up with that and it's not common for me. And it's like the one thing that really resonates with me as far as like shutting my brain off and things like that.

• 33:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, the ocean. There's not, there's a reason why all those rich folks live like right on the ocean. They're not stupid.

• 33:43Joe Rogan?

  I rented a house once in in Malibu. We were getting our kitchen redone in California and we couldn't stay in the house. And so for like four months, we rented a house and we rented this house like on the water. And you wake up and you sit in the patio and it's these sliding glass doors and you're literally above, right above the ocean. So you see nothing but this little balcony and then water. And you're like, oh, I get it. Now I wonder why these people live right next to each other in a twenty million dollar house. Yeah. Cause I was like, who the fuck wants to buy a house with no yard? You're jammed up next to your neighbors. That's stupid. And then I got there one morning drinking coffee, sitting there by myself, smoking a joint. I'm like, okay.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like biological. It's like you can't, yeah.

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  I go, oh, yeah, I get it. I see what you guys are doing. Oh, yeah, this is better. This is like, you're watching a show and a work of art at the same time while you're you're taking in sunshine and fresh, clean air from the ocean.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  But here's here's the fucker. The difference between the water in the day and the water in the night is huge. The water in the day is beautiful. It's blue and you see dolphins and you see seagulls everywhere. It's incredible. It's it's food for the soul. At night, it's a black monster.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 35:09Joe Rogan?

  At night, when you realize, especially me, cause you know, I'm probably a little high at the time. And I'm looking out at that water.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Abyss.

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, there is billions and trillions of gallons of water out there and no one can control it. And all it takes is the earth just having this one little, one little shift of the tectonic plates.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  And a fucking wave is coming. And you're right on the edge. How, and I sleep like a log.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, like.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, if a tsunami is coming, you're done.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at this one. It's swept away.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I.

• 35:45Joe Rogan?

  This is the Outer Banks? Yeah. Yeah, and this ain't even a tsunami. This is just a house.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's that's tough, man.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of this guy walking his dog in Russia. And it's real recent and there was a tsunami that there was a giant warning they knew it was gonna happen because there was a huge earthquake off the coast.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  And so they knew it was coming. So this guy is way up on this cliffside. Watch this. Look how high he is. See how high he is?

• 36:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:10Joe Rogan?

  That water.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Where is he? Oh, he's in Russia. That's him taking the video.

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so he's, he's taking this video and he's with his dog. It's kinda cool when you hear his voice too. It's like, woof, woof, woof. So look, look how high he was, right? And look at this water coming in.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, he gets all the way over the top.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 36:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, look at the dog. The dog's almost, the dog doesn't know it almost died. This silly dog is just sitting there. It keeps going.

• 36:41Joe Rogan?

  But this is bananas.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  That's horrifying.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  Look how high it gets.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:45Joe Rogan?

  And he's, now at this point in time, he's realizing like, oh shit, look, it gets over the top. It crests over the top of the fucking hill.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's like a hundred feet.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, it's, that's insane. Yeah, you've seen the perfect storm, right?

• 37:00Joe Rogan?

  But that's what happens at night. When you're sitting there at night, you can't sleep. Cause you're like, what am I doing? Why would I sleep here? This is so stupid.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  It's, it's weird how it flips like that.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  Just, all you have to do is just be real. Like in the day, you're not real. It's say, it's like, oh, the sun has given me vitamin D. It's like, and at night, it's like, no, no, no, no, no. This is just water. An immense amount of water that no one is in control of.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:24Joe Rogan?

  Get outta here. I was like, get the fuck outta here. No.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  No?

• 37:28Joe Rogan?

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• 38:11Joe Rogan?

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• 38:52Joe Rogan?

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• 38:57Speaker 02

  I did it. I did it on a trip in the Cayman Islands. And I always wanted to do it, so I was psyched to do it. And I did one time prior to that in a pool, so I was like, alright, I kinda, whatever. And I almost couldn't go through with it because like the initial descent, they had to put weights on you.

• 39:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  And it just goes against everything your body feels.

• 39:21Joe Rogan?

  Your body's like, no, no, no, no, no.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  And they say like, you know, try to breathe measured. If you breathe a lot, you run out of air faster.

• 39:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fun.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Right? So it's like, yeah, just hearing the fact, oh, you run out of air.

• 39:32Joe Rogan?

  Is the tank, the meter, based on how much air is in or how much time? Like, how much you've been breathing? Like, could you fuck up and breathe too much?

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:41Joe Rogan?

  And it wouldn't say E yet?

• 39:43Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I mean, I had the little dial.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  So it'll show you?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was with someone. I was not, you know. But still, by the way, it doesn't matter, by the way. So it's like, I couldn't get down. I'm claustrophobic. And so I think that played into it, but like, you have to start. It just, you have to overcome the sensation that you're maybe drowning or being suffocated. Like, you know, you go down and the weights start to pull you down and you adjust to breathing through here. But then that's it. Like, and if you wanna like talk or it's like you don't, you don't feel comfortable and you just want out, this, you know, you can't just get out. And once you go down thirty feet or so, you have to like, you know, you can't just shoot up either. You have to go up slowly, obviously.

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  I mean, it's not, all the thirty feet is the bends, but like, you know, that whole thing. And so.

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  Is it thirty feet where you get the bends?

• 40:32Speaker 02

  No, I, I only went thirty feet. I think that's like very simple stuff, but I still don't think you can just shoot up.

• 40:37Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's, yeah, you have to do it slowly.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, um.

• 40:41Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy. You get too much nitrogen in your blood and you're fucked.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  It's fucked up, right?

• 40:45Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  And I got a.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  That's their world, bro. That's not your world. That's their world.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Well, it was thirty feet down. It was still kind of my world.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  That's far.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  That's far. If you're out of breath.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  I can still see our world, you know what I mean?

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  But if you're out of breath and you gotta get to that thirty feet and you're, you're exhausted and out of breath, that's fucking terrifying.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, it was me and my friend and that was it. It was an instructor. No one else to show up. It was his birthday. I was taking him for his birthday, right? So they like tell you some things. They're like, all right, I'm gonna go down there with you. And like telling you signals and stuff, you know, like if I do this or I do, you know, whatever the signals were. And I'm like, all right, I'm trying to like remember these goddamn signals, especially like if I need to communicate something.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there should be a test.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, there wasn't. So we go down. I finally overcome it and I get down there. And like, once I got down there and calmed down, I had moments where I was a little panicky again, but like in the moments where I was calm, I was like, all right, I'm going slow. I'm breathing slow. This is cool. And you just kind of start exploring and there were these big like, I guess Oscars, big, these big fish, like the size, like literally the size of almost my body, like five or six of them together just there. But they weren't like, you know, they couldn't harm you, but like just the sheer size of them was like, I'll stay away from them.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  But then this instructor starts swimming forward and then my friend is behind her and I'm behind him. And at one point, like, you know, I'm not good with the

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Paddles?

• 42:06Speaker 02

  No, the flippers?

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  Flippers?

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Is that flippers?

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Like, I don't know, some people are just good with them, but like, it's kind of like, it's weird. It's unnatural, unnatural feeling. So I'm not good with them and I got this fucking tank on me. And, you know, everything's tight, you know, and it's like, and I'm trying to use the flippers and I'm not really catching, like, I'm kind of falling behind a little bit. I'm not really doing it great. And then I start to try to do it faster, but then that like spins me a little bit. So now I'm spinning down there and I'm trying to kick out of it and I like want to communicate to the instructor. And she's in front of my friend swimming forward and my friends, I'm looking at his ass. I'm like, I'm just like fucking like, I'm just like waving my hands like I need help.

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  That seems wildly irresponsible.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, like she, I don't think she should have led like that.

• 42:51Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  And she was, I would say she was probably 20 feet or ahead of me swimming forward. And so at that one point to us, I was like, this is not, like, this is, this is crazy. She doesn't, I can't get help if I need help.

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  And you're panicking.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  I did, I panicked. I started breathing heavy.

• 43:06Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  And I had to like literally just, you know, bring myself back down.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  Let me ask you this. Um, so they don't give you any like test to make sure that you're good at scuba diving?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, we went in the water first and like in the shallow area. And like we did like some exercises and drills or whatever and they explained the signs of what's going to happen.

• 43:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you tell her you're claustrophobic?

• 43:31Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think I did.

• 43:32Joe Rogan?

  When you say you're claustrophobic, like, are you self diagnosed or did you go to a mental hospital?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Self.

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  You went crazy.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  But, but if I'm

• 43:39Joe Rogan?

  How did you, where do you, where do you get that from?

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Like, where, where, where do I think, why do I think I have it?

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  What makes you?

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Uh, because I've been in scenarios in confined, small spaces where I couldn't get out or I didn't have a lot of mobility. And I literally had a panic, like we have a panic attack. Like I start, my heart starts beating out my chest. I feel like I can't breathe.

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  So it's like an anxiety of being confined to a small space?

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, like when I was, um, uh, I did an MRI.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  That was like

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  That's very claustrophobic.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Started beating out of my chest. And there was one time on a plane a long time. I don't like to fly either. So that combined with like, I was in a row, like a really tight row, like crammed in. And I just, I don't know, I just, it's, it's happened a few times in my life where, or in the, like, the, the, like, back row of, like, a, like, a, a van where, like, it was closed in. Like, I couldn't, anywhere where I can't get right out. And one time I was in a stretcher and I, um, they, like, lock you, like, they strap you in that. I can't take that. I can't take it.

• 44:39Joe Rogan?

  What happened? You, you got stretched?

• 44:41Speaker 02

  I was in a car accident. Yeah, I was fine. I was okay.

• 44:44Joe Rogan?

  But they just precautionary put you in a stretcher?

• 44:46Speaker 02

  I was, I was, to tell you the truth, I saw, I was, I was driving and a guy ran a red, a stop sign and, like, plowed, a, a fast, and plowed into me. I was a teenager. And my best friend was driving behind me, so he watched it happen. So he called right away, but I, I guess I kinda, I don't remember. I got hit and then I remember, um, my girlfriend at the time crying and I, I remember talking to her, but I have no vision. I just hear the words. And I remember, like, I was hugging her and I could feel her tears. And then the next thing I remember in my mind was that I, I was in a stretcher on the floor and I woke up and, like, the ambulance was there and everything was, that's the next thing I remember.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  But I'm telling this guy, I'm in this fucking thing, and he has me on the floor behind the ambulance and I'm right by the exhaust pipe.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  I'm just laying on the, and the thing's, like, just right by the, I'm like, can somebody fucking move me from, away from the exhaust pipe?

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  But, uh, I couldn't, when I'm, when I'm held down like that and confined and I can't move, it's like, I don't know, I just feel like I can't breathe.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  This guy, he's got to freak out. My mom has it, so I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  I just wonder what the difference between that and general anxiety is, because if you have general anxiety, I would imagine you would get claustrophobic too.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  So maybe that's what it, well, I'm just telling you what I feel in confined spaces.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the reason why I'm asking is because I think we have, excuse me, I think we have genetic memory of bad stuff. I think that's why some people are allergic or, or terrified of snakes. Some people will tear, like, there's a thing, a real thing, a phytophobia or arachnophobia. See spiders. Some people, like, they go into a hot panic. It's different than anything else.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  And I think there's something, like, in the genes from, you know, millions of years of evolution where someone down the line died or almost died because of one of these fucking spiders or one of these snakes, or you saw someone get killed by a snake and you see him and you fucking lock up.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  How do you explain the phobia of clowns?

• 46:43Joe Rogan?

  John Wayne Gacy. There's, there's a bunch of.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Somewhere along the line.

• 46:48Joe Rogan?

  You can't see their real face.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  It's scary.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:51Joe Rogan?

  It's scary to not be able to see someone's real face.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  Which was like, one of the most fucked up things we did to kids during the pandemic is make everybody wear masks. Cause kids are in school and they're not getting facial expressions.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  They're not getting them from teachers, they're not getting them from their classmates. It's weird.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:07Joe Rogan?

  That's weird. That's not good for human development.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the norm for a while.

• 47:11Joe Rogan?

  There's something, especially as kids, we don't like if we can't figure your face out. I can't see your whole face. You're wearing paint, so I'm not getting the right signals. You've got a rubber nose on, you got weird fucking crazy hair. I'm like, I don't know if you're cool or not cool.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:26Joe Rogan?

  Right? If you're a regular guy, and I can tell if you're creepy. I can tell, like, this guy's got weird energy, let's get out of here.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  But a clown's like, hello, boys and girls. You're allowed to act like in this weird, silly way.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Clown could be right on the line, whether it's demonic.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  Full on demonic psychopath that you could hide as a clown. And you could hide with that language, that clown language. Hi, boys and girls, would you like to see a trick? Meanwhile, you're thinking about cutting that kid up in your basement.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  You know? And now those are real human beings.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Do you remember when clowns, like, for a minute, were like in the news everywhere? Because there was like a trend that clowns were terrorizing towns? It was like five years, like, maybe, meh, less than 10 years ago.

• 48:06Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, where I'm from in Staten Island, we had the Staten Island clown.

• 48:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  And this, there was a clown just showing up in public spaces and events, just watching people. And then like, recessing like back into the night and it would make appearances and started making the papers.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  I do remember that.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Oh, it's wild.

• 48:24Joe Rogan?

  Was it around the time that It came out, though?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I don't think it was It.

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  But, but the book?

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Maybe it was Terrifier.

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that late?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  So what year was this?

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I was, I think it was like, I would say, I would put it at ten years.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Yeah, it was twenty sixteen. Okay.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. But then other places, like, other people started doing it.

• 48:42Joe Rogan?

  Copycats.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  And then it was like clowns, and that was kind of fun, actually, though.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  I do remember that.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  I like, I like that, I like that, I like the idea that there might be a clown that would go out one night, like, because it was, it was, it almost felt like our version of Summer of Sam or something like that. People like, if you're going out tonight, look out for the clowns.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  It is weird that, like, there's always been throughout history, there's Jack the Ripper. There's always been these people. In Austin, they say there's a guy who strangles.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  They don't know who Jack the Ripper is, right?

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  I feel like there's some new, but there's always like a story. New evidence reveals the true identity of Jack the Ripper. You never know what's just clickbait bullshit, and you click on it, some nonsense website that tells you, they found Jack the Ripper. So you're not gonna get me every time.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  I just clicked on something that said that Christian Bale was Banksy.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Nah.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  There was an article.

• 49:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's an amazing actor. That guy can do anything.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  It can't be, it's bullshit, but I, but.

• 49:35Joe Rogan?

  It would be fun if it was.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:37Joe Rogan?

  He's an interesting dude, you know, he drives like a nineteen eighty-three Toyota Tundra, or a ninety-three.

• 49:43Speaker 02

  Really? Why?

• 49:44Joe Rogan?

  Not even a Tundra, a Tacoma. He's a weird dude. Just like, this is all I need. I drive this. He's got a regular Toyota pickup truck. I shouldn't have like doxed him. Now people are gonna be looking.

• 49:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at him.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Dude, he's Banksy, you're not gonna find him.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  He's got a Tundra. I mean. The Banksy thing was April Fools. What's that? Banksy thing was April Fools.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Oh, was it?

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Banksy thing.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Someone sent me a link, I didn't even know.

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't be shocked if it was, though, you know what I'm saying? Like, as good as that guy is, he could kind of do whatever he wants. You know, when you get to like that level of actor, those are like weird, exceptional humans. They don't come along that often. You know, the Gary Oldmans, the Daniel Day-Lewis's, there's these people that like become another person.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:26Joe Rogan?

  Those weirdos, they could do whatever they want. If he wanted to be Banksy, I would go, okay. Yeah, it's not like Banksy's making Mona Leesas everywhere.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just like, yeah, they're playing with different rules.

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  I think. But I was, I remember being disappointed when I found out it was him, because like, you know, it's like, ah, I don't know, I want it to be mysterious.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of amazing that nobody knows who Banksy is.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it, it's really weird, actually.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Did you see that doc that, oh, exit through the gift shop?

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  I didn't.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  It's pretty interesting. It's, it's like, it, it, it follows other artists, his name's like Mister. He has a moniker that he goes by and the people thought that he was Banksy. And so like it spends the whole thing like following him, but it turns out he's not. But it was, it was a fun watch, but it was like, uh, it's, it's just wild to me that after all this time, in the age we're living in now, nothing has gotten, like everyone, like, how many people know who he is? Like, you know, how close to the vest is his identity?

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, he would have to be a truly brilliant person.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Is it more than one person?

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  That would be likely.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:33Joe Rogan?

  But even then, you know, fuck it, I'm coming out with this. You guys are assholes.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, right, right.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  One guy in the band that decides to leave.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  It's gotta come out.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Or his girlfriend, you should go to the press. You could get a lot of money if you go to the press. It's gonna come out eventually. Just come out. Listen, sell your story before they don't want to buy your story. We need the money.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, should I do this? I didn't know you did voices.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  I do that one.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  That's a good one. That was pretty good. If I close my eyes, that was good.

• 51:58Joe Rogan?

  Sell it. Sell it.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  No, I don't do that.

• 52:03Joe Rogan?

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• 54:31Speaker 02

  That's funny, dude.

• 54:32Joe Rogan?

  That always happens.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  I went to, um, I went to, I was invited to this brunch in England. And it was a, it was a guy, um, man, he was a descendant of, uh, uh, uh, who's the, who's the, uh, the, uh, the guy where it's like, oh, um,

• 54:53Speaker 02

  like he, when you want to fuck, when you, when you're, when you're, like when you're thinking about your mom, who's that guy, the, the, the, the?

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about?

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I know. I'm literally having a stroke.

• 55:05Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea what you're saying.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  I know. Alright, so.

• 55:06Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, do you know what he's saying?

• 55:08Speaker 04

  He needed a couple more words. He wasn't getting to it.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  When you think of your mom, that guy. Who's, yeah, the guy, it's like, what's it go, Freud. Oh, Jesus Christ, Stig Freud. Yeah, so he's, I think he's a descendant. I didn't know you were talking about like a baseball player. Freud is like his, I think Freud is like his like great, great grandfather or something. And then he also married into like, it's the biggest market, like publication in, in the biggest like media company conglomerate in, in overseas, whatever. I forget his name. He's super rich, famous family that married into another super rich, famous family. Right. Freud family and then like whoever this is. Anyway, I'm at this person's house. Long story short, I don't remember how I got invited there. I think his. Where is it?

• 55:54Speaker 02

  It's, um, it was somewhere in, outside of London and it, it was unassuming because we walked through row houses through an alley to get to their property. And I think the daughter of this, I feel bad that I, I'm forgetting their name because they were gracious hosts and, but I did, the daughter, I think was a fan of ours or something and somehow got in touch and we got invited there. It was a weird, wild thing. So I, I find myself at this place. I didn't, I didn't know anyone and I get there and like, it was a weird collection of people there. Apparently this guy hosts a brunch forever. He's like known for it and he has a lot of friends and a lot of celebrity friends. And so there was celebrities and stuff there at this brunch.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  It was really cool. Walk in, there was all food trucks and stuff and get into their house and, uh,

• 56:45Speaker 02

  at the time, Woody Harrelson was filming a movie in London and it was crazy. It was a one, it was a live movie in one shot. They, they rehearsed for this movie for months and months and months and then a live stream into theaters.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  And he acted live and the entire thing was one shot. It was like 90 minutes long.

• 57:09Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I can't believe it didn't get more press just from the nature of that.

• 57:13Joe Rogan?

  That's insane.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  But, um.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  So, he was out there for that. And so he was at this brunch and I think, uh, Owen Wilson, um, was, was also at this brunch.

• 57:25Joe Rogan?

  How did I forget about this?

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Did you, do you recall it now?

• 57:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm kind of recalling hearing about it now.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  But it didn't get any love.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  No, but I, I went and saw it and it was on, it was really fucking cool. Um, so there's, I mean, there's a lot of different people there. Liv Tyler, like it just, the guys from Oasis. There was just a collection of people there. And I found myself, they were, they had all like a little bar, like a skate, uh, not a skate room, uh, what do you call it? Safe room?

• 57:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  And the safe room was just converted, had a ping pong table in it. I went downstairs, I walk into the safe room and Woody Harrelson and Owen Wilson are playing ping pong down there. And I just, it was them two, a cat and me, and I just watched them play ping pong. I don't know them.

• 58:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  But we, I'm getting this, oh, so anyway, they had Banksies. Like they had, they had a, they had a fucking, uh, uh, man, you know, I think I need to take a supplement for my, I need to get some Ginkgo Biloba in me. Who's, who's the artist with, Picasso? They had a Picasso.

• 58:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  I'm like, who's the guy who puts like an eye over here?

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  The guy with no ear? No, that's Van Gogh.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, she had, they had Banksies like just in the house, like up like that. Like, wow, that's, that's probably, I mean, I'm, you know, that's.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  A million dollars?

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably, at least. I don't know. I don't know how much they are, but I was like, oh, wow, that's like your own personal Banksy?

• 58:42Joe Rogan?

  I went over in an agent's house once in, uh, Aspen, and this is like a long time ago. And, uh, we were there for, they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival. And I was over his house and, and I was like, oh, did his kid make this? There's like this painting on the wall. And they're like, no, that's a Chris Baba.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  I go, he paid for that? It looked like tissue.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 59:05Joe Rogan?

  This is, I'm just saying this to another agent. So it's me and this other agent just shooting the shit over a couple of cocktails. We're laughing.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  But I'm like, for real? And he goes, yeah, that's worth like $35,000. Like.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  There's no way that is like a kid did that.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  It's that's.

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  It was like pieces of tissue paper glued with some paint splattered on it.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  It's nuts.

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  I was like, what is this? Do you know the origins of that stuff? They think it was a CIA psy-op.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  For what?

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  Modern art like that.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah. There's some evidence that points to the CIA.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Like when they just nail a banana to the wall or something?

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little bit of that, but a little bit of like Jackson Pollock.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  So, yeah.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Like the splatter shit.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  I was gonna bring up Pollock because Stern did that. Did you ever see when Howard did that? He, he, he was like, I can, I can make a Jackson Pollock and you won't know the difference.

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 59:52Speaker 02

  And he did it on a sheet like did, he did it and he put it next to each other and nobody knew the difference.

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:57Joe Rogan?

  So what they think is, we couldn't compete during the Cold War with the classical artists of Russia. Like there's some incredible painters in Russia, uh, at the time, and I'm sure there are now, but we didn't have a, a, a similar level. We didn't have a Da Vinci over here. We didn't, we didn't have someone who could do what they were doing. And so the CIA came up with a plot to popularize nonsense art and make it like really huge and make all these investors want to spend money buying like nonsense art. And apparently there's, I, I never would have considered that until I paid attention to all the other shit that they've done over the last, you know, X amount of decades.

• 1:00:41Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, I think that's true. Cause it doesn't make sense to me that that stuff would just emerge and all of a sudden be worth millions of dollars. And someone wouldn't figure out exactly what Howard Stern figured out.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  That I can make this on my own.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:53Joe Rogan?

  And you could just say it's a Pollock. It was a Jackson Pollock. And no one would know? Like, what are we talking about then? We're talking about something that anybody can do. If you look at the Mona Lisa, you're like, well, I can't do that.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, you, you look at, you know, there's a million paintings. You look at it like especially today. There's something about the level that people are at today where they're making like photograph realistic paintings.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Photo realistic paintings. Like that are above and beyond anything's ever, anyone's ever accomplished in the history of art. But because it looks so realistic, people don't even seem to care. Modern art was the CIA weapon.

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Spy agency used unwitting artists such as Pollock and de Koonig in a cultural cold war. Isn't that wild? So scroll up to the thing. This is from The Independent. Oh, you have to support?

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  No, that's there, I guess.

• 1:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Um, so, "The connections are probable. There's a period in the 1950s and 1960s when the great majority of Americans disliked or even despised modern art. President Truman summed up the popular view when he said, 'If that's art, then I'm a het and tot.' I don't know what that means.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Hot and tot?

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Hot and tot? What's a hot and tot?

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  I don't know, but I'll tell you right now, I'm starting to use that word.

• 1:02:05Joe Rogan?

  A hot and tot? Jamie, Google that word. What's, what is that word?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Never heard of it.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  What's a hot and tot?

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Sounds like a candy.

• 1:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Throw that into perplexity.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Sounds like a candy, like a Mike and Mike.

• 1:02:14Joe Rogan?

  What is a hot and tot?

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  T O T. What's a hot and tot?

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  An outdated and offensive term historically used by Europeans to refer to, I don't know how to say that word, K H O E K H O E, an indigenous group of nomadic pastoralists from South Africa. Jesus Christ.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna use it.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  The president was using that. You wanna talk about the world being different? The president was using a slur.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  As for the artists themselves, many were ex-communists and barely acceptable in the America of the McCarthyite era, and certainly not the sort of people normally likely to receive US government backing. So why the CIA support them? Because in the propaganda war with Soviet Union, this new artistic movement could be held up as proof of the creativity, the intellectual freedom, and the cultural power of the US-Russian art, oh, of the US, rather. Russian art strapped into the communist ideological straitjacket could not compete. Hilarious. So because their artists were better, we decided to come up with some nonsense art and make people think that was the shit, and it, it worked. It worked.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  But are we saying that they found those artists and propped them up?

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  No, the artists already existed. No, the artists already existed. But the CIA propped them up and pushed them out as being amazing. And they did it in an effective way. And look, if there are all these like super duper rich people are involved or closely connected to the CIA. All they would have to do is have art exhibits at their house and tell everybody how amazing this guy is.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  And how mind blowing this piece is, and they'll all agree.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  That's how art works in a general sense now anyway. It's like, there are people at the top that dictate a lot of this stuff, you know what I mean?

• 1:04:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, for sure, but there's also just talent, you know? If someone's really good, like all they have to have is an Instagram page, if they're really talented.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, but I'm saying the art world and like the art as a commodity and that kind of stuff. Like, you know, like the bottom can fall out at any time of that, just like anything else. It's like.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  I guess, but people always want art. But the thing is like, what I'm getting at is nobody wanted that art.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden it became worth millions. And it became worth millions because of the CIA.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  They mindfucked the American people into believing that terrible art is really good.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Wild.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, because I just read an article recently about like how art as investment, like there's been like a huge change. Where a lot of artists that were being pushed and were really hot by galleries and this and that, like just years ago. And selling X amount, like their, their stuff's not worth anything right now.

• 1:04:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Wow, I wonder why? Well, when the economy starts going, I would imagine that people stop buying art, right? Like luxury items, shit you don't need, art.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. It wasn't, I forget, but it wasn't, it wasn't economy based. It was like, it was like the, the trend, like the, you know, the trend within that, that world or whatever. It's like, it's always weird to me how people put a price tag on that stuff.

• 1:05:20Joe Rogan?

  I was in, uh, excuse me, I was in Venice recently. And we went to, uh, I guess it's the Guggenheim Gala, the Guggenheim Family Gallery. It's a house that's like, it's a gallery that's like on the water. You like, you pull up in one of those little boats.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  You get off and you're in the gallery. And it's priceless art. It was one person's collection. So one super rich lady put together, I think, is it called the Peggy Guggenheim in Venice?

• 1:05:48Joe Rogan?

  I might be making that up. But anyway, it's a lady, a very wealthy lady who really loved art. Is that it? Ooh, what a memory. Uh, and she has this incredible collection where you're like, how much did she spend? Like, this is like a billion dollars in art. It's nuts, man. What is that?

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  That's the front page of their website.

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's the front page. Oh, that's an exhibit that they have there. But it's all, there's some modern stuff, but there's a lot of like, like priceless shit.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Just unbelievable collection.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  You collect anything?

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Nothing?

• 1:06:23Joe Rogan?

  No. I collect pool cues.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  I like pool cues.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  No art at all, nothing?

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  I have some art.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:28Joe Rogan?

  But I have friends that are artists. Well, this place is filled with art.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm looking around, yeah.

• 1:06:32Joe Rogan?

  But, but like, I think of my house very differently in this place. I definitely collect art.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  I love art for here, but for my house, I don't have anything. I don't collect anything.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  I started.

• 1:06:41Joe Rogan?

  This is like, I feel, I feel like the studio is a totally different thing. Like, this, this is like, it's not my house. It's like a showcase, you know? Like, I like to put cool stuff in here.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, I would, if my house was like this, it's too chaotic. It's too weird.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is a creative space. It's cool. It's cool in here.

• 1:07:00Joe Rogan?

  I have a few pieces at home from this guy Greg Overton. He's a friend of mine, and he does Native American art that is just spectacular. He does these huge pieces, like this, you know, like six, eight foot by six foot, these giant Native American faces that are just, I saw him for the first time, I was in Park City, just going through like the little town, and they had a gallery, and we were walking around like, oh, let's go look at the gallery. And it was just like, right away, I was like, whoa. Should pull up one of his photos. If you can pull up the one that I have. But I, I stare at that motherfucker every day.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  It's totally different, you know? It's like, I just think what it, this was like, This is a very accurate representation of a real person that lived here 200 years ago. And like, what is that dude's lifeline?

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  That's what, that one's on my wall.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  God.

• 1:07:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how good is this guy?

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Wow, what, what, what is, what is that? Oil? What is it?

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it's oil paint.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Oil or acrylic or, I mean, I don't know what exactly he uses, but it's painting.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  So like, all like realistic.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so, well, it's just really good, man. That's one of the ones that I have, but I have another one, this dude who has white paint on his face. And this crazy scar on his face. It's like his stuff is, first of all, the dude like loves, that's it, the one with, above it with the feathers, the white one? Yeah, that's it. Make that a little bigger. That one I see when I'm walking down the hall every day.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:08:28Joe Rogan?

  That's like the first thing I see in the morning, is that motherfucker staring at me?

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Because I, you know.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  That's kind of powerful, dude.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  It's so powerful.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Joe Rogan?

  I love that painting. Uh, Greg's a friend too, and he's a cool motherfucker. But that, um, that, that to me represents, there was a real human that looked exactly like that, walking around 200 years ago. Had no idea what was gonna happen to this country in just a short amount of time. And this dude in, you know, 1810, is just out here, lived his whole life out here like this.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Living under the stars, following the buffalo around. It's like, it, there's something really powerful about knowing that people used to live like that, that, that recently.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  So recent.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  And now he hangs right by your powder room.

• 1:09:19Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's at the end of the hallway, right when I get up, on purpose. I wanna walk, I wanna walk towards him.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  That's, that's so serious. Like, the stuff I've collected is a little bit more like vibrant, a little bit more like, you know, not so photorealistic and stuff. Like, I was gonna tell you, someone I thought you'd like, this artist Jordy Kerwick. As I have a piece of, he's, I just, I, I found him on my own during the pandemic. I bought a piece of his art. And I really loved it. And then like.

• 1:09:46Joe Rogan?

  What does he do? What kind of stuff?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Uh, I mean, I guess it's kind of like, well, his style has changed. I bought like a still piece that was like, uh, but now he's moved to this really funky, cool, like lizard, like, um, like.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:10:01Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  So this is some cool shit, right? Yeah.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  He's awesome. He's.

• 1:10:06Joe Rogan?

  He does sculptures too?

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  From Australia, I believe he lives in France. He does sculptures. Yeah, he's, he blew up too. And he's like, he's the nicest guy. So like a couple of years, like a few years after I bought his piece, I saw him like something of mine on Instagram and I was like, oh, he, cause I, I zoomed with him before I bought it. I guess just to talk about it for a minute. And I thought maybe he just fa- like followed me and knew who I was because I bought his art, but he didn't. He just knew me through comedy. And so I hit him up and I go, hey, man, I saw you like something of mine. Like you know, I bought something from you, right? And he's like, I have no idea. No. And it's like, yeah, we, we zoomed. I, I, he's like, and he's like, no, no, I just am a fan. I'm like, dude, your stuff is amazing. And this guy was so nice. He ended up sending me more artwork, like he shipped me more artwork of his.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  And it's like expensive and he just, he just was so generous. He sent me more stuff.

• 1:10:55Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  This guy's dope. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:56Joe Rogan?

  That looks like where the wild things are.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  How fucking dope is that, right?

• 1:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Very, very cool.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  His style has changed so much too. And it's like, I want to get another piece. I'm like, God, part of me is like, I don't want to, if I'm gonna spend, if I'm gonna get it, I want to like, you know, get, try to vary it up, but I like his stuff so much that I just kind of want to like.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  He does weird shit too. Yeah.

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  That one's creepy.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Art is awesome, man. It's like, it's got so few limitations. You could do whatever you want. You paint whatever you want, sculpt whatever you want, you know, and, and you have that thing in your house and you get to stare at it and it gives you like a whole different sense of life.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  Like somebody made that. This popped out of someone's imagination.

• 1:11:37Joe Rogan?

  My cough button still, is it still broken? Let's try it.

• 1:11:42Joe Rogan?

  Seems like it's working now.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  You uh...

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  When the whole thing's not out, it acts a little weird.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what it is?

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  How good are you with a bow and arrow?

• 1:11:50Joe Rogan?

  Pretty good.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  How good? Like...

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  I bow hunt.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I practice.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  But I don't really know... Every day?

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, you have to.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Alright, so if I...

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I shouldn't say you have to every day, but you have to practice a lot. You have to be really accurate.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  But like, back in the day when they battled with bow and arrow?

• 1:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  What skill level were those guys?

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a totally different kind of archery.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  So that kind of archery is...

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  How much of that was like letting it fly and how much of it was like, "I'm a sniper, I'm gonna..."

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, they were good.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Guys are good. My friend Aaron Schneider, he's such a good bow hunter that he decided he wants to hunt with a recurve, like a regular bow for a while. Because like he...

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  What's the difference?

• 1:12:31Joe Rogan?

  It's way harder.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:33Joe Rogan?

  Way harder to be accurate.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Like a Robin Hood bow?

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Robin Hood bow.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  A regular bow, yeah, he killed everything with it. He killed bears, he killed deer, elk, everything. But he's like a professional hunter. He's like a world-class hunter, ex-military guy, got into hunting, he's a fucking beast.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Joe Rogan?

  And when bow hunting, which is one of the hardest things to do, becomes so easy, that you want to pick up a regular bow and go shoot that, that shows you what type of human you're talking about. But he can group like, into like a softball-sized lump at 45 yards. He just fires them in with...

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  No!

• 1:13:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's super accurate with that.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck!

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  But, I tried once, I was on vacation, and I'm like, "I'm good with a bow and arrow, I know how to shoot a bow and arrow."

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Joe Rogan?

  I do it all the time. I was hitting them in the ass, hitting them in the neck, I was hitting them all over the place. Not a human, not an animal rather, a foam target.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:21Joe Rogan?

  We were shooting recurve, and I was like, "I'll be able to do it." It was like a thing that you do, you shot skeet, it was at an island resort, it was pretty fun. And then you shot skeet, and then you got to shoot these recurves, and I was like, "Oh, I got this." Bro, I was terrible! I didn't...

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Totally different technique.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:13:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  Didn't carry over?

• 1:13:38Joe Rogan?

  It carried over a little, I mean, I hit the target, but there's no way I was accurate.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  So, if I gave chase, if I ran from you, and you had to, like, if I get, like, could you take me out if I'm like, if I'm running around like a moving target? Like it...

• 1:13:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it depends on how far away you are.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:55Joe Rogan?

  You know, because...

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  So call it...

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  A second.

• 1:15:32Joe Rogan?

  A second.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  So what's that in miles?

• 1:15:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, but that's what my, when I look at my

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  That sounds like a

• 1:15:36Joe Rogan?

  range finder.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  I'm just doing quick math, but I think that's a billion miles an hour.

• 1:15:40Joe Rogan?

  I have to enter in, in my range finder, I enter in how fast the arrow's going. Yeah, I enter in how fast the arrow's going, how much the arrow weighs, and it gives me like a very precise measurement of where my arrow's going to be at the top of its flight. So when I range something, I use a range, laser rangefinder. It's called a full draw. Loophole makes it. And when I click on the button, it gives me the distance. So I'll say like 53 yards, but it also gives me the height of my arrow because it's measured, I've entered in the speed of my arrow and the weight of my arrow and the feet per second it goes.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  So you're going from home plate to home plate to center field in a second and a half.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast. It's like you barely keep your eyes on it.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  See.

• 1:16:22Joe Rogan?

  And then mine is not as fast as other guys. Like, I have a friend of mine, my friend Josh Jones, he just put together a bow that I think goes 340 feet a second. But he's a big, tall guy, and when you're a taller person, you have a longer draw length and you'll get more speed out of the bow.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  I can't wrap my head around that speed of a bow.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  They're very fast.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Like I said, if you were at home, the way I'm thinking of it.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  200 to 136, 340 is 232.

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  232 miles an hour?

• 1:16:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:16:55Speaker 04

  Big increase.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  It's so fast, dude.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  That's the way I'm thinking of it. If you're at home plate, I'm at center field, and you shoot your arrow at me, I have a second? One second to move out of the way.

• 1:17:06Joe Rogan?

  His arrow's going 231.82 miles an hour. That's bananas.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  And there's people that karate chop those.

• 1:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Not really, not those. You kind of see a regular, okay, you got a long bow, which is probably the slowest. And then you have recurves. Recurves, I don't know if the Mongolians invented them, or if the Mongols invented them. But the Mongols had the strongest known bows. They had bows that take 160 pounds to draw back. So much so that like some of their skeletons were disfigured.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:17:42Joe Rogan?

  Because they had so much time pulling in one direction that their whole body was like contorted in that shape.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  Chiropractor would have cleaned up back then.

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  But those guys were, I don't think chiropractors are real. But those, but those guys were super accurate. But you'd have to do it every day. If you do it every day, it's like, it's like a pitcher, right? Like, if you asked me to throw a strike. Who knows what's gonna happen. I might not even go near the plate. I don't throw a ball very often.

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Not since you started doing martial arts.

• 1:18:10Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, the point is like, even if you did, you'd have to do it over and over and over again to be able to throw a strike in a game.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Against a real good batter, right?

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  That's what these guys are doing with bows and arrows.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:18:20Joe Rogan?

  They're, they're getting to that point where it's just like throwing a ball. They know exactly how far it is, exactly where the arrow's gonna go at that distance. They have a feel because they're doing it every day. But you have to do that every day. The kind of archery I do, you don't have to do it as much. You probably should do it every day, but mine is like, I'm dialing this sight out to the exact yardage. I've got like a fiber optic pin that's sitting over the spot. Like, I know exactly where it's gonna be. It's super high tech, yeah. And then you know exactly where the arrow's gonna be at every spot of the way if you shoot it straight.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  How long, because of all that, is it more about understanding it to be accurate? Or is there also still like, you gotta be steady and everything? I mean, obviously.

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  You have to be, you have to just do it so much that it becomes a part of you. It's like, you know, when, when you were playing basketball, I'm sure there were times when you're fucking around with your friends where you just hit a flow. You just hit a flow and you start draining.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  Right around my 13th point.

• 1:19:20Joe Rogan?

  But you know what I mean? When you're with your friends, not when you're getting your ass kicked by Dominicans. But when you're just hanging out with your boys, every now and then you'll catch a flow, right? Where you feel it and you just know the ball. What, what, everything else is, it's like taking that and just doing it all day long until you can do it at any time you want.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:19:41Joe Rogan?

  You're always in that flow.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  So how long did it take you to feel like, oh, I know what I'm doing or, oh, I, I have a marked improvement right now?

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  It just takes, it took years.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  Years.

• 1:19:50Joe Rogan?

  Years of practice.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:19:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  So years of just like not hitting.

• 1:19:55Joe Rogan?

  No, you always hit the target, but not consistently. So you know, like I'd be in my backyard and I used to have a forty-five yard target and I was pretty good at forty-five yards. I could get most of them in the spot that I wanted to hit.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:07Joe Rogan?

  But every now and then one would go left, one would go right. Now they're all going in there. Now forty-five yards for me is like zip, zip, zip, zip. I'll stop, I'll ruin arrows because I'm stacking them on top of each other. But if I go out to like eighty-five yards, then things spread out. Because then all of your movement is magnified. So the key is it's like any little variation, little twitch to the left or to the right, over the course of eighty-five yards, it's gonna vary six inches left or right maybe.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Whereas at forty-five would just be like a little bit. You know, and you'd think you're still dead on. And it's, it just magnifies all the flaws in your technique. So it's like a you lose yourself in it because while, when you're at full draw, and I'm not, I'm not even talking about bow hunting, I'm just talking about target archery. When you're at full draw and you're really trying to hit that target, you have no room for anything else. There's no room in your, your mind for your, your bills or an argument you had with a business partner or fucking tickets you haven't paid. None, there's no room. Just everything goes away. It cleans the mind because it requires all of your focus. Yeah. That's the best part of it. That's the best part of it. Eh, eh, everything after that, it just becomes like everything else. It becomes like a vehicle for you

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  to like express yourself. Whether it's learning how to play guitar, it's shooting a bow, playing pool, playing basketball. It's like you're just finding a vehicle for you to express your spirit.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  You ever let go of an arrow and like a bird like?

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, that would be crazy.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  Like Randy Jackson. You ever see Randy Jackson?

• 1:21:37Joe Rogan?

  That was nuts. And that guy? Fucking that guy was a house. That guy threw heat.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  He was like seven foot one.

• 1:21:44Joe Rogan?

  He was so big.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  He was a gangly guy.

• 1:21:47Joe Rogan?

  Fucking bird exploded.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:50Joe Rogan?

  It was perfect. It was like the universe threw us a bone. Right? Like the universe was like, was he something fucked up?

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Like every now and then the universe does that. Live TV.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  You just continue.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  Just feathers on the floor.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  It's like a Looney Tune cartoon.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  This video is nuts. Boom! Oh my god. That video is nuts. That video is nuts. And he's a lefty too, son.

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Look at the slow mo.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god, dude.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  What a mistake that bird made.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  It's just crazy that it didn't just like kill the bird, but knocked every single feather loose.

• 1:22:32Joe Rogan?

  You could just cook that thing.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Every single feather.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Put it right on the fire.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  It's like.

• 1:22:37Joe Rogan?

  It's pre-plugged.

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  It's like when you get into like an accident, like your shoes and socks come off, you know, it's like every feather went.

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, bro. There's something about lefties too.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Joe Rogan?

  I think lefties learn things better than righties. I know a lot of lefties that are like really good at shit. It seems like the lefties that are like really good, they're like exceptionally good. Weird, like oddly good.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  I think seeing everybody do everything opposite and forcing your brain to adapt to this world where you're writing and you're smudging your paper all the time. It's writing the wrong way.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:13Joe Rogan?

  It's all weird, right?

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  And then you're seeing everybody's doing everything with their right hand and you're doing it with your left and you're supposed, everything seems wrong to you. Everything's, so by doing that, you have to like really think about your movements.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, but the left-handed comes out early, right? It's like inherent, that movement is inherent. It's not like they're working at it.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:23:31Speaker 02

  So it's like, I don't know, do they even, do they have to think about those things or like, is it just like coming?

• 1:23:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they definitely do.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  Cause everything's reversed.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  Like if someone tries to teach you something, they have to teach you the opposite way.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  It is a right-handed person's game usually.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Like say if you're a boxing coach and you only fight orthodox, you've only fought orthodox your whole life. And then some kid comes in and he says, I'm left-handed. And you have to decide if you're gonna teach this kid fucked up and teach him left hand first, which some people actually think is actually a benefit.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:59Joe Rogan?

  In fact, some great boxers actually fought, like Oscar De La Hoya fought dominant hand first. So there's a few guys that have done that, where they will, if they're right-handed guys, they'll put their right hand in front. But for the most part, you would wanna teach that kid how to fight as a southpaw, which would mean you would have to reverse everything.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  So if you don't know how to do it, the right, if like your technique is off and you're showing someone how to do something like. You're not really, so the kid's gotta like learn things from his stance and watch you and just duplicate it, like mirror it from the other side.

• 1:24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Joe Rogan?

  And sometimes that just teaches you more about the movement itself because you think about it. Because one of the things they say if you really want to learn something, say if you're like in a martial arts skill, if you're, you have a dominant side, like if you're really good at throwing a kick with your right leg, if you throw it and practice it and get it better with your left leg, your right leg will improve as well.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  Oh, that's interesting. I didn't hear that.

• 1:24:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  I didn't hear that. It makes, I feel like, yeah. Because you're kind of, yeah, I could see how that.

• 1:25:04Joe Rogan?

  It gives you a more comprehensive understanding of what you're doing. And they say that about pool too. Like, I can't really play with my left hand. I can make like simple shots with my left hand, but there's guys that can just switch hands.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  The ambidextrous people are like probably aliens.

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Just equal both on both sides, like equal, they could do it.

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy example.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  From the get.

• 1:25:27Joe Rogan?

  In professional pool, there's this kid named John Moore, elite, like top of the food chain pro pool player, hurts his shoulder, can't play right-handed anymore, learns how to play left-handed and becomes world-class left-handed.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Learned as a professional, when he hurt his arm, that he had to start playing left-handed. Started playing left-handed and started winning like world-class events as a lefty. Beating world-class, top-of-the-food-chain pool players who've been playing right-handed their whole life. And he's been playing lefty for like two years.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  I can't write my name.

• 1:26:04Joe Rogan?

  I broke my arm once and I had to write my name and I write everything with my left hand. It was fucking terrible.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's, there's nothing there.

• 1:26:12Joe Rogan?

  And I draw, so I was trying to learn how to draw with my left hand.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  But I think it now in retrospect, it might have helped me draw better with my right hand. I think if you could learn how to do something, that's why I think lefties are better at stuff.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  What do you draw?

• 1:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, I used to wanna be a comic book illustrator when I was a kid. So I drew a lot, a lot of comic book stuff.

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:32Speaker 02

  You do that still?

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  No, no, not anymore.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  You don't miss it?

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I can do it, I can pick it up, but I would have to get into it really to like achieve the skill that I used to have and then I would, I don't have any time.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. I love drawing, but I don't have any time.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Those kids in school always like blew my mind. They'd just be sitting there drawing like comic book, like literal like that good.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  You self-taught or you just kinda?

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, mostly self-taught.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  See, that's also gotta be something that's, I mean, if you start from nothing and just like, I don't know, I feel, I feel like that's inside you somewhere as well, like to be a naturally gifted, just to know how to, some people are just better at that than.

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, I had a very artistic family. My Uncle Sal and my Uncle Vinny were both artists.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  So my mom's brothers, both brothers were artists.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  What kinda artists?

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  One of them ran a pottery guild and I was an art teacher and the other one did a bunch of different types of art, photography and did a lot of album covers. Did album covers for Kiss.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  No shit?

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he took me to work with him once and I got to meet Ace Frehley when he had no makeup on. Like before, before anybody knew what they really looked like.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Became a clown?

• 1:27:38Joe Rogan?

  No, no, they had makeup on back then, but no one knew what they looked like in real life.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:42Joe Rogan?

  So he showed up in the office with no makeup on. I was like, this is crazy.

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:27:48Joe Rogan?

  And I think I was probably like 10, you know, and I was like, this is nuts. I was just hanging out with my uncle in the office.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:54Joe Rogan?

  And fucking Ace Frehley walked in.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  That's, that's wild. My, my third grade teacher, um, her brother was the drummer in Twisted Sister.

• 1:28:02Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tony Pirro.

• 1:28:04Joe Rogan?

  We're not gonna take it. He, he was the first, like, I mean, like rock star that cross-dressed?

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Like Dee Snider and them?

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were, they were one of the big glam, yeah, like glam rock bands.

• 1:28:21Joe Rogan?

  But it was almost cross-dressing.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  That's him on the, on the right of Dee.

• 1:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Riley, you would kind of, you would say-

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's-

• 1:28:30Joe Rogan?

  You would ask his pronouns. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  That's like Poison, all those groups back then. But, um, so yeah, so she lived, so we lived in these little garden apartments.

• 1:28:39Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. That's so ridiculous. Bro, they were huge.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  They were huge.

• 1:28:46Joe Rogan?

  They were fucking huge, man.

• 1:28:47Speaker 04

  Was the beauty mark added, or is that natural?

• 1:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I don't know, maybe they added it.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  It's probably, I think it's accent.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  It's like a Marilyn Monroe one. Remember when the ladies were doing that? They were adding a fake beauty mark?

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Like, what are you doing, honey?

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  So this guy, so my teacher lived upstairs from us in the apartment building. So he used to go to the other house all the time. So I was in grammar school, I was in, I was like, I, I couldn't have been more than like eight. Same, or something like that. And my dad was the superintendent of the apartment buildings. And so he knew everyone, and my teacher, I was my teacher, so we met him at a young age. And he used to come over to my house all the time. So I have pictures of me, like, in my parents', in my parents' kitchen. Like, just sitting down, eight years old, in my pajamas with him. And just eating like a tuna sandwich, and he's like, literally dressed like that. He's just like, I swear to God, dude. I have one where he's in full electric blue spandex pants.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  And like a ripped jean jacket with his hair all up, and I'm just, it's just me and him sitting at the table.

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God. Oh dude, that's so ridiculous.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  We used to, I remember back then, did you ever have that, like, were you into like, you know, the denim jacket?

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I had a denim jacket, for sure.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  And then we got like the patches all over it.

• 1:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, that's right.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  And then when we graduated, like, everyone signed, like, take a Sharpie, a black marker, like, sign your jacket. I don't think that exists anymore.

• 1:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  That kind of thing, yeah.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  Denim jackets were a sign that you were a rebel.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  I have worn it.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Wear a denim jacket, especially if you have a pack of cigarettes in the denim jacket.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:15Joe Rogan?

  You know? I remember there's this one kid, you know, sometimes when you're like fourteen, you see some kid that, like, you've never seen before, and you're like, wow, that guy's so cool. There was this dude, he had a denim jacket on and a pack of cigarettes in his pocket. And he just had perfect hair, and he just looked cool, like this Italian-looking kid. I'm like, that guy looks so cool.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  I wish I was cool.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I could never be that cool.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  He was like, smoking a cigarette on the fucking, in the breezeway. I was like, that guy, like, he's in a movie. That guy's in a movie, I was a dork, I was trying to hide from people.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  I was trying to, that influenced me so much that I took my money that I made for confirmation, and I bought a Van Halen replica guitar. I swear, I bought it.

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  Did you learn how to play?

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  No, not a fucking chord. It was the red guitar with like the white lines on it. It was like a famous, so it was a kid's one though. And I bought it at this place, still there, Mode Music on Bay Street. I took all my money, I bought that, I bought an amplifier, I bought a guitar case, and I, I spent all my money on it and I never used it, never took it out of the, I, I like, you know, just never used it. I have it to this day.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow, well, you could learn as a part of your workout regimen.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Like a mental concentration workout.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Joe Rogan?

  Cause it is kinda, right?

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  I used it one time. It came to, it came full circle on, on, on the show. Do you know the band Imagine Dragons?

• 1:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Okay, so we, I met, uh, met them along the way, friendly with them, so before they, well, they was big, cause this was Jones Beach, which was like fifteen thousand people, they sold that out. They were playing Jones Beach, it was like maybe, again, ten years ago. And we, they made me, they threw me out on stage before they came out as one of the opening acts. And I had to sing and play guitar to almost, almost fifteen thousand people. And I don't sing or play guitar and they didn't tell me what songs, I had to make it up on the spot.

• 1:32:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  Me and my buddy Joe, who, they put him as the drummer, they introduced us as a band called Senor Alonza, which was the name of our high school Spanish teacher.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  And so,

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  There was three opening acts before us, which is bonkers, right? And so, when, when they were about to come on, they, they made it like they were gonna come on, they lowered the lights and all those friggin' spotlights started going all over the place, and the place went nuts, and then they introduced the fourth opening act. And us two walked out, he got with the, uh, he got behind the drums, and I used that guitar that I bought in nineteen eighty-nine, June eighty-nine. I, I finally used it in like two thousand fifteen. And they just, they're like, alright, go, you're an opening act, and that's all they said.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  And I just started like, just hitting the guitar and, and just, just making up songs and stuff, and we were getting booed, shit. People were throwing things at us.

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Can we hear it?

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  It's probably,

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Is it like copyrighted?

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  No, no, I made it up. Oh, you mean because of the show? Nah, I doubt that.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Let's, let's play some of it.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Can I see it, Jamie?

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  I put in your pants pocket a dedication for the set. Open it up and read it.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you had to dedicate the set?

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, the dedication was terrible because I-

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  We're gonna play "Look Mommy, I'm a Rock Star."

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Oh, boy. This is one of our favorites.

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  He doesn't know how to play.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  When I was a boy-

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  I said, "Look, mommy, I'm a rock star."

• 1:34:03Speaker 02

  Let me ask you something. How badly does he suck out there? It's probably is worse than I imagined.

• 1:34:08Joe Rogan?

  Worse than my imagination, Dragon.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

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  Takes a few minutes to sign up. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. Oh my god, dude. Shut your face, grandma. Oh my god. Oh my god, dude. Also, they made me call them the Imagination Dragons right in the beginning. And I dedicated...

• 1:36:35Speaker 02

  I said, "Everyone, just calm down. The Imagination Dragons will be out in a little while." And then the dedication was like this... It was in Long Island. I was like, "This set is dedicated to the people of Pittsburgh, because I could already tell that you guys are not going to be half as good an audience as them." And then I started playing. They were booing us and everything. And then at one point, a guy came to... Like, a guy came on stage and he tried to grab my guitar from me. And I just, I didn't know what was going on. I mean, I was like a deer in headlights out there. I was like 14. And I just pushed him away. And he's like trying to grab my guitar. And I'm pushing him away, and I'm singing through it, right? I'm cursing also, because I'm just like freewheeling up there. And I knew they're Mormons, they don't really curse.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  And so like, they were like, "I didn't get the memo, I wasn't supposed to curse." Oh no. And so I'm dropping F-bombs. I sang a song called "Fuck the Imagination Dragons." I'm better than them. How long did you sing for? I would say, I would say like, probably somewhere like eight, seven, eight minutes. Something like that. So this guy.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  That's so long. I'm getting hit with ice. That's so long. And then, and then this guy, he keeps trying to get the guitar for me. I'm ripping it from him and I'm like, fuck the magic. And he's trying to, and I, I wouldn't let him have it. And I didn't realize that was the official union stage manager trying to get me off the stage because there's a curfew that they have to hit and they have to do their full show and they have to do their finale. And as soon as they go, you know, this past curfew on a union stage, the entire thing is like double time for every single worker there. And then there's penalties. It's hundreds. It could be like a hundred thousand dollars. Plus, yeah. Yes. And so no one tells me who this guy is. So I'm shoving the real union stage manager off of me

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  because I thought he was trying to just sabotage me. And I thought I had to stay out there. So I push him away. I push him away. The guy's like, give me the goddamn guitar. I'm like, I'm not taking, you know? And I found out afterwards that that was like official and I was supposed to get off and I didn't. I caused them later because they could not do their encore. Their encore went into overtime and the encore, that dude, he gets hooked up to his cables. They lift him into the air and they spin him in circles while he plays drums. It's wild. And they said, they, they went into, they went into the bonus and they had to pay all these fees because of, because of me. Oh no. Did you guys reimburse them? No, I don't have money to reimburse them. Like I just, I, I know. They're still our friends, but like,

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  and at the end they're like stage dive off. And I'm looking in the crowd and I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kill myself. These people are gonna catch me. Like they hate me. Right. And they stage dive, stage dive. So I just ran and I jumped off, but I kind of just like landed on the floor and rolled. Like no one caught me.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  It was, yeah, it was, it was rough. It was rough. But that's the guitar. That's how cool I thought that he was in Twisted Sister. Like that's how cool. I was like, look at this guy. Which one of your friends told you to stage dive? Fuck him. Whoever was, I don't know. That is so irresponsible. I know. Well, they weren't, they were never gonna catch me. And I got just, they saw me and I just, I kind of jumped off. I think as I, as I'm in the air jumping off, I think I got hit with a soda. It was bad.

• 1:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's so ridiculous.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:39:57Joe Rogan?

  That's so ridiculous.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, the show is cra- the show has given me like a lot of opportunities to do stuff like that I would never have done like that.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, who the fuck ever gets to do something like that?

• 1:40:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  The balls to stand up there while those people hate you and go through with whatever they're telling you to say.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  I had a ping of anxiety.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Did anybody let them know afterwards that it was for?

• 1:40:17Speaker 02

  I, I don't recall. I don't recall. I, I, I would imagine maybe they came out and said something, but I don't, I don't remember. It was like 10 years ago.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  There was another time they put us in the Devils during in between periods. They threw me as a goalie in, in the net of the New Jersey Devils. And all the Devils came out and took slap shots on me. Me and my buddy Q. It was two of us in net. And it was scarier than that. Like they were taking blistering slap shots at us. I was in full Devils gear as a goalie and I, I remember there was someone from like Sports Illustrated or something was there. And I have this, I saved it, like a chain of his tweets that he was tweeting. And he's like, I don't know what's going on here, but the Devils are apparently taking slap shots at a civilian. He's down on the ground. He's very hurt. This is not a good promotion. He's like, I don't think that the Devils should be doing this type of promotion with fans. He didn't know it was our show.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  And he's, he's like.

• 1:41:13Joe Rogan?

  Did you get hurt?

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  No, not, not, not like hurt, hurt. It hurt, but I didn't get hurt.

• 1:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So, but when you were down, he didn't need to be concerned?

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  I got back up, but it was like, it still was hitting me like in the neck and the thing. Yeah, like you had the guard on and stuff.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Does the guard protect your neck?

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  It, it hurt bad. You know, it hurt.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Where is it covered? Does it cover your neck?

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, everything was covered, but it's still like.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, dude.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  Still taking a puck like, like a 90 miles an hour to the chest and stuff.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  Pucks are so hard too.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I, I played hockey in, in like late grammar school and high school. I played hockey. And I, and I started as a goal, role of hockey goalie, but it, it doesn't, you can't compare the two things.

• 1:41:51Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you ever see some old school photos of the old school goalies with the scars all over their face?

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  No, they didn't even wear fucking helmets back then.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  It's crazy. They just played with our helmets.

• 1:42:01Joe Rogan?

  A puck hits you in the mug on Tuesday.

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  You're done.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and you gotta play again next week.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  My first ever, uh, my first ever tryout for ice hockey in high school was I, we, we, it was hard to play hockey back then. Like, there wasn't a lot of, like, it was expensive and there wasn't a lot of rinks. We drove like two hours up to like, uh, like Bear Mountain or some crap. Like, three hours with my family, my dad, my stepmom, and they had to wait in the stands because they can't drop you off and go home because it's, you just drove three hours. So they're watching these tryouts and I, my first time I ever put ice skates on in my life. I had played roller hockey already. But I never put on ice skates in my life. So it was kinda like you were saying, like, just trying to play like left-handed or whatever. I was like, oh, maybe it'll transfer, you know?

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:46Speaker 02

  Put on these ice skates and it didn't. I was really bad. But, um, uh, someone took a slapshot and it got deflected into the, uh, onto the stands. So, whatever, I didn't think anything of that. At the end of the tryouts, I went back, got my coat, got my bag, walked back out and my, my stepmom was out there. With, uh, her eye was this big, the ambulance was there, she bleeding, black and blue, stitches, everything. The puck hit her right in the face.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  During my tryouts, yeah.

• 1:43:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, dude.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  Right in the face.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  I was like, oh my god. Like, it was, her face was this big, blood everywhere. She was already black and blue, a gash right here.

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  Does that happen all the time?

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  To her? No, just the one.

• 1:43:32Joe Rogan?

  To people in the crowd. Do people in the crowd get hit?

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  I got that.

• 1:43:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, they had to put up nets because a couple of people died.

• 1:43:37Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And this is a high school kid.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  It was a high school deflection. Like, imagine, like, the devil's taking slapshots at you. Yeah.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's crazy.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Those guys taking slapshots at you. Uh, could you even react to it? Like, when, did you see it coming?

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  It, it.

• 1:43:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, did you, could you see the puck?

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  It was like, um, a split second battle between whether I would, like, try to, like, like, actually block it. Or just, like, wince and take it. Like, because it was like, it was faster than, you know, I was prepared for, obviously, like.

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Right. Can you skate?

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  Not these days, you know?

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 1:44:21Speaker 04

  I just found something interesting. That picture that we've always seen, we... Like this.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:27Speaker 04

  It's not real.

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's a, it's a recreation of all the times he's had stitches in his life.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:44:34Speaker 04

  This says it's what.

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  But the scars in his face are real.

• 1:44:37Speaker 04

  What it would look like if uh.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  The other one's tall.

• 1:44:40Speaker 04

  Sixteen years of professional hockey.

• 1:44:43Joe Rogan?

  The problem is like the one on the left, you can't really see very good. He's very shadowy, but you could tell he's got scars everywhere. You know, those guys just took it in the face all the time.

• 1:44:55Speaker 04

  This says that the first guy wore a mask in nineteen twenty-nine.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:44:59Speaker 04

  This guy.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  When did they figure it out? Yeah, look at him. His nose is already busted. He's like, alright, I'm putting a fucking mask on. That guy's probably a genius.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  He, he had the mask and before he got his nose busted like.

• 1:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Well, like he got his, his nose is actively busted, right?

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he put the mask on afterwards.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  He's like, let me put this thing on.

• 1:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Or maybe he broke his nose with the mask on. I mean, if you take a full one to the nose.

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  It's not like it's not a smash against your nose. It's gonna smash.

• 1:45:29Speaker 04

  One of them had the blood going through there right there. The blood was going through the nose.

• 1:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:45:34Speaker 04

  I guess it's just the hole.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but dude.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, they just.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a hard sport.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Built different.

• 1:45:40Joe Rogan?

  That is a hard man's sport and it's the only sport where you're allowed to fight.

• 1:45:46Speaker 02

  To this day.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Just let him have it.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  It's the weirdest thing.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  If you think about it.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Just grandfathered in.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and all the like extra precautions now and the CTE stuff and all that stuff and they.

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  Out the window.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  It just hasn't even permeated.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Like they haven't had a meeting, not a vote. It's just like, no, the guys need to fight.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. It's part of the sport.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Do you feel like it's less fighting now or no?

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I don't watch hockey.

• 1:46:07Speaker 02

  I haven't watched in a minute, yeah.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, I grew up in Boston. If you said, you had to be like, say it in whispered tones. I don't, I don't watch hockey because people would get mad at you. It's a big Bruins town. Everybody loved hockey. But for me, I was like, I don't like being cold. So uh, I don't, I don't like skating. I don't have time for this. So.

• 1:46:24Speaker 02

  It's a lot. It's involved. You need some, but it's a fun sport to watch.

• 1:46:28Joe Rogan?

  It's a really fun sport to watch. It's fast as fuck. It's, you gotta be in a really good shape to play hockey because those guys are just moving, moving, moving, moving, moving, moving. And it's like this delicate. Balancing actor doing on metal skates.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  It's graceful too.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  As much as it's, as it's just, you know, brute, brute.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Sure. Like when you watch a guy like Bobby Orr in his prime, the way he was able to maneuver through people.

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  The movement, it's crazy.

• 1:46:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like beautiful swans.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like a dance. It's a dance and a sport at the same time. Really amazing sport when you think about it that way. And then the speed of it too. It's a fast fucking sport, man. Like you cannot be out of shape and play that sport.

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  That was the only time I was in shape in my life, probably.

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  It's fitness, man. You're, you're constantly kind of sprinting.

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  With skates, you know, you move. So much core movement.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  And when I did that, I skated everywhere. Like, and I was roller, I played roller hockey first, but when I was, when I was like in my, like, four or five years that I was like obsessed with it, I played every day, I roller skated everywhere.

• 1:47:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  So you were with that guy? Out there roller skating on the streets?

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, wow, man.

• 1:47:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's smart. That's a great way to keep up those skills. Like, you're gonna have to walk anyway. You already know how well you can skate. Why not just skate there?

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was kind of like skateboarding. Like, why wouldn't I get there like five times faster or whatever?

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Did dudes try to knock you over ever?

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  When I played hockey?

• 1:47:48Joe Rogan?

  No, when you're skating bottom. You know?

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  Just a random.

• 1:47:52Joe Rogan?

  You see a guy with roller skates on, you're kind of, kind of tempted to go fuck this guy.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  I mean, I wasn't, I, I wasn't like, it wasn't like roller skating like on Venice Beach, like with like my headphones and like, you know? I, I didn't look like, you know, a cornball. I just, I just.

• 1:48:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, some people, they don't like people in roller skates. Like some, when I lived in California, motorcycles were allowed to split the lanes, you know?

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:16Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is crazy. It's really dangerous. But if you have a motorcycle, you can get by in traffic when everybody else is fucked. You're zipping right through. And I remember one time I watched this guy, see this dude coming up beside us, and I moved to the left to give this guy a little room so he could pass. And the dude in front of me moved into the lane on purpose to stop this guy from passing him for no reason at all.

• 1:48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  And that's gonna happen with that too.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. No, I don't, I don't recall really. It was good for my curfew because I used to go to my, my girlfriend's house. My dad was like, you have to be home by like 11. And it was like, probably like a couple of miles. And so like.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  That's a long time to be not running into any bullies. That's what, that's what I'm thinking, there's a few guys out there. That would just make that decision, you know, fuck her and fucking knock him off.

• 1:49:08Speaker 02

  I just just lace him up and uh, there was actually a huge hill, like half halfway there, like I got up.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Down?

• 1:49:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean flying, so I just stand and I'd be going like, I'd probably be going like thirty, thirty.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  If I wiped out, it would have been bad, but like.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  And if someone pulled out, right? Was there any cars that could have possibly?

• 1:49:29Speaker 02

  No, it was a, it was a service road of a highway and it was late at night, so I wouldn't do it if there was cars.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  You're doing it late at night on service road of the highway, you know how crazy that sounds?

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I, but it wasn't that crazy, it wasn't that crazy, but I would get home in five minutes, whereas normally it would have taken me like fifteen minutes.

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  And you're getting a nice little workout.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's all right, yeah, I gave all that up.

• 1:49:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  I remember when I got out like into the workforce, I was out of college, one of my buddies was like, you wanna go shoot the puck around today? I'm like, I haven't done it in like five or six years, he's like, let's go. And we went and we went to like a little roller rink, that like a hockey rink there, we, we skated around for about, I must have been twenty minutes. You know that burn that you get in your throat, like the trickiest, obviously when you haven't like, maybe you don't because you haven't like you're consistently working out. But like when you're not in shape and then you try to play a sport or something and it just feels like your insides are on fire.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  Have you felt that?

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  Not like that, I know, I know what you're saying though.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  Like almost like you start to like, almost like uh, cough up like phlegm and stuff.

• 1:50:26Joe Rogan?

  So this is like you'd no cardio at all, no nothing?

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Oh man, I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  You're doing that.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  Out of like, just like maybe like five years removed.

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just five years of not working out at all and then you try to skate, I would imagine, yeah, your body, unfortunately, your body will just fall into a state of disrepair.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm digging out of that mouth.

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Leave it alone, it's like if you have a house, if you own a home, one of the things you find out as soon as you get your first home is shit breaks all the time. There was always some fucking pipe that breaks, there's this that goes out, there's that that fucks up, the AC's broken, there's always something, you're always, that's the same shit with your body. It's the same shit, and if you put it into a state of disrepair and you don't fix the AC, you know, fuck it.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  My pipes are bad right now.

• 1:51:12Joe Rogan?

  The pipes are bad, you don't deal with it, you just let your house flood, like that's the problem. The problem is when most of us, you know, are like bad landlords.

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's me.

• 1:51:23Joe Rogan?

  We're like slum lords. We're slum lords for our body.

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm trying to change it.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  No, you are changing it. Don't say trying. Trying makes it seem like you might quit. You're not gonna quit.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:51:33Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  He told me when I, cause I'm gonna be here and I'm away from home the next week. He's like, you gotta go at least three times and send me pictures of yourself.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  We can work out here.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 1:51:43Joe Rogan?

  I got a gym right here.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 1:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we can work out after the show.

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  I wouldn't wanna bring you down, bro.

• 1:51:47Joe Rogan?

  No, we just have a little workout. Just a little something, yeah. Yeah, if you wanna keep doing it, yeah. If you wanna keep it up while you're here, the, the, the main thing about working out is momentum. It's number one. More than anything else is momentum. And if you lose your momentum, then it's hard. Hard to get going. But once you get going, you get a couple of workouts in a row. You're like, ooh, this is it. I do it. This is what I do. Fuck yeah, we're doing it again. Just don't kill yourself. Don't get yourself to, when you wake up, you're like, oh, fuck.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, and you're so sore and you, you're gonna go to the gym right now? That's kinda stupid.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  You really shouldn't.

• 1:52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Never, don't, you're not a pro athlete. Don't get yourself to that spot. But as long as you just keep doing it, that's the key. It's just, I think that's with almost everything in life. That's what alcoholics say. It's, you know, one day, uh, at a time. They just, next day, next day, get some momentum. Now I'm not drinking for two years. Now I'm not drinking for five years. I've got all these coins and shit.

• 1:52:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  It's the same thing. It's just like, we, we have to just make healthy patterns. And you can do it. You're doing it right now.

• 1:52:49Speaker 02

  The next time I come back, I'll be like.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be jacked, son.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  Shredded.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Pose off next time. I'm not, I'm just, I'm just looking to live longer.

• 1:52:59Joe Rogan?

  You know who looks good? Shane. See how big he got?

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:53:01Joe Rogan?

  Shane's been working out here.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Shane's been working out like super regular. He got really into working out. We started doing these comedians workouts here and then, uh, Shane.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Parks thing?

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Shane got my friend Sean to start training them. And Sean goes hardcore, yeah.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  I haven't, no, I haven't, I talked to Shane yesterday, but I haven't seen him. I, I, actually, you know what's so funny? The last picture I saw of him, like, or not the last picture, but recently I saw he was filming this, that John Madden movie.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  And that paparazzi took that photo of him in character with the mustache coming out of his trailer.

• 1:53:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I haven't seen that.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  It was an unflattering shot, like, he's, he's talked about it. And that's, so that's the last thing I like really saw, and is that you could probably pull that, you could probably, it's pretty friggin funny. You could see he locks eyes with the photographer, just as he's coming out, and it's like, he's already meant to look, I think, frumpy from the character.

• 1:53:52Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's awesome. He's gonna be.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  And he's Ja-.

• 1:53:59Joe Rogan?

  John Madden. He'd be, well, he first of all.

• 1:54:01Speaker 02

  I don't think he's, is he Madden? No, I don't think he's Madden.

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Who is he supposed to be?

• 1:54:04Speaker 02

  He's just someone in the Madden universe.

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Oh, Nick Cage is John Madden? Whoa.

• 1:54:09Speaker 02

  Which I can't see at all.

• 1:54:11Speaker 04

  Christian Bale's also in the movie, is Al Davis.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, whoa, is there a photo of Nicolas Cage as John Madden? I wanna see that. Oh, that's young John Matt- well, that, that's Nicolas Cage.

• 1:54:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the hair does look like Madden's hair.

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the face looks like Nicolas Cage, though.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  No, they did a little something to his face. They did a little something to it.

• 1:54:29Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Didn't they?

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  Wait, no, how funny is it that you looked at Shane and said that he was John Madden?

• 1:54:35Joe Rogan?

  I thought he was John Madden.

• 1:54:36Speaker 02

  Cause he's that.

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  I thought he was John Madden!

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  He could pass for him.

• 1:54:43Joe Rogan?

  He could pass.

• 1:54:44Speaker 02

  So, when I, when I first clicked on it, I was like, Shane's, I said this, I said this.

• 1:54:47Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. Oh, there it is.

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  Oh, that's it.

• 1:54:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they definitely did some stuff to him. They did some stuff to him. Yeah, he's got like a face thing on. Wow, that's crazy. He looks like him, man. Like, even the body, they got the body right.

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:59Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:55:00Speaker 04

  That's Christian Bale.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Whoa, is that Christian Bale?

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  That's Christian Bale?

• 1:55:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. That guy's a fucking chameleon.

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:55:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that'll be sick. Wow.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  Biopics, man.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh wow. That's cool. Um, what were we just talking about? We're talking about guys getting, oh Shane got big.

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  Oh yeah.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Got stout.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  He must be putting in work then, because I'm also like only doing it three days a week. Because I just started and I don't want to like, you know.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if he's been on it recently because he just did, he's about to do tires again. He's like, you know, the boy's busy.

• 1:55:38Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Fellow's busy.

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  I know, every time.

• 1:55:41Joe Rogan?

  He's out there killing it.

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  I know, good, I love it, love to see it.

• 1:55:44Joe Rogan?

  He's the man.

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  I, you know what I got shit for after the last time I was on?

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  I, uh, I, so many people came up to me after the last time, I was like, dude, I saw, you know, the Rogan episode and you didn't finish a story. And I'm, I'm, the amount of people that said this to me, I must have been like.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I started to tell you a story about an experience I had, I think, with a ghost. Because I never, I didn't believe in ghosts. And I start, I guess I started to tell and didn't finish it. Can I tell you the amount of people that came up to me and was like, what the fuck, man? You can't start.

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  You can't just start it from the end, though.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have to start.

• 1:56:20Speaker 02

  Anyway, so that's.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  Retell the beginning of the story.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Just at the very end.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  Retell the beginning of the story, because otherwise people are gonna go, what the fuck is he talking about? Then they'll have to go back and listen to the whole podcast.

• 1:56:29Speaker 02

  So many people, though, that I finally, I was like, I swear to God, if I go back on, I will bring it up and I'll try to retell it again.

• 1:56:35Joe Rogan?

  Let's retell the story.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  I, I just, I'm doing this for them, I just, I don't know how great the story is. I, so we were talking, I was saying hi, just, I don't believe in them, but I had this experience, I don't know what to make of it.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Okay, so, so I was, I lived alone at the time, and I, I, um, when I go to sleep at night, I lock my, I lock my, uh, my bedroom door. This is what I do. So I locked my door, and, uh, I was laying in bed and I had the television on, and a lot of times I'll put the TV on mute, but keep the TV on when I fall asleep. Something I do. So I was telling you how, because I sleep with a CPAP machine, how I would wrap myself up in a cocoon, because I had an air source. So I, I like, it's like a sarcophagus, I like, put everything over my head. And I tuck in my feet, my, and I put my, like, I swear, you just see a tube coming out.

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  It's amazing. It's like the sensory deprivation things, right? Right, okay. That's what it's like. Okay. So I got used to it. So anyway, I had just, I was wide awake. I just muted my television. And I wrapped myself up like a fucking burrito. And I had the CPAP on. I'm laying there and I always stick like one foot or one hand out. It's just a nice cool breeze. It's like a fun little thing to do. When you're wrapped up like that. Right. And I had my hand out, so this was out. And I'm just laying there and I thought I heard something or somebody. I don't know if it was talking or, I heard what I thought was like the door open, I suppose, like. Again, wasn't asleep, I wasn't asleep. I was just, I was- Just about to fall asleep.

• 1:58:09Speaker 02

  I wouldn't even, like, I- Just laying there? Sure, sure, yeah, yeah. But I didn't sleep and wake up or nothing like that. Got it. And I wasn't, it was, I wasn't laying there 20 minutes. It wasn't like that. And I, I'm laying there and I heard walking or the door or something. And so I listened more intently. And I, I didn't hear anything again. And then all of a sudden, I felt I don't know if it was a hand, whatever you want to call it, pressure? Squeeze, oh, right here, on my hand. Right? I just, I just felt my hand get squeezed. And I

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  what's going on in my mind is I thought there was an intruder in the house initially, right? So like, intruder came in the house. And I know I'm feeling this. I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm- This all happened in seconds, but I'm thinking, okay, I heard something. Now there's pressure on my hand and it went tighter and tighter. And I'm like, someone is squeezing my hand right now. I have to act like I'm not feeling this because I don't know what's about to happen. But then I started in the same vein. I'm like, if this was a home intruder, why would they do this? It doesn't make any sense to me. Like, so aren't they gonna wake me up? Like, wouldn't they try to get in and out? I'm thinking of this in a split second. And the pressure is such that it actually begins to hurt, not hurt like, ow, get off, but like, like, oh, that's squeezing. You know what I mean? And I'm like, alright.

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  I am going to have to jump up and fight right now or something. Something's happening here. And I said, are you awake? Are you awake? And I'm, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm awake. I'm awake right now. I'm laying here. I'm looking. I'm feeling my hand. I am fully awake. And I was like, I feel like I either have to count to three, jump up and get ready to fight, or I could, I'm vulnerable and I don't know what's gonna happen to me. I might as well just take charge of the situation whenever I can.

• 2:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  And I just took a breath and I was like, alright, here I go. And I, and I, uh, did they let, they let go. I felt the pressure release off my hand. And so that's when I was like laying there with it limp and I was like, I'm gonna jump up right now. And I was, whatever happens, happens. And it was like nerve wracking and I just jumped up in my bed, up. So I was standing on the bed. I like threw the things off and I just like was ready to, and there was nothing there on my door.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  How long was something squeezing your hand for?

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  Um, I'll say less than 10 seconds.

• 2:00:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a long time.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe like 10 seconds. Cause it was, first it was on me and then it was more pressure and then more pressure and then let go. And then when I jumped up, no one in my room, door locked. And so, and I was like, I'm up, I was up, I was just up. I'm not like sleeping and it freaked me out. I turned every light on, opened my door, walked around the house. I almost like, I was like, do I leave?

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe the aliens thought you were trying to kill yourself.

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the aliens.

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  You had to leave it.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was an alien came down like, hey buddy, you, what are you doing?

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Cause I was wrapped up.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  You alright under there?

• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  Cause I was wrapped up.

• 2:01:13Joe Rogan?

  You're wrapped up with a tube coming out. I was like, this guy might be offing himself. We've never seen this before.

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  I want an explanation.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  They're like, when the people sleep, they never sleep with their head covered. We need to get in. And they just went in and just grab his hand. We need Sal to stay alive.

• 2:01:25Speaker 02

  It definitely looks weird from the outside when I sleep. Like if you saw a picture of it, it looks like what the fuck's going on?

• 2:01:30Joe Rogan?

  Shane was telling us a story the other night about how he had like, uh, like, you know, they talk about like sleep paralysis demons?

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  He had an experience like that.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  I heard of sleep paralysis, not demons.

• 2:01:39Joe Rogan?

  He had an experience of like a thing standing over his bed with like a white face. Like, oh, and he couldn't move.

• 2:01:47Speaker 02

  This happened to Shane?

• 2:01:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And I go, dude.

• 2:01:50Speaker 02

  How many, how many, how many cases of blood was, was he?

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  No, he said he was sober. He was younger, yeah. He was like, I think he said he was 23 or 24 when it happened.

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, so.

• 2:01:59Joe Rogan?

  I go, dude, you got abducted. I think the aliens came, yeah.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's what he was seeing. I think he was waking up from it and there was one right there and they had him paralyzed.

• 2:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  I don't know why an alien would be in my bedroom.

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think there's aliens that monitor a lot of people, if they're real.

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  And then had they get in though, because that little thing was closed.

• 2:02:26Joe Rogan?

  They could just appear. They go right through walls, apparently.

• 2:02:28Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter.

• 2:02:29Joe Rogan?

  I think if they've let, if they've reached a level of technological superiority where they could travel instantaneously through vast distances in space, which is what they think they're able to do, like able to bend gravity and just like reappear on the other side, they just go right through your wall, bro.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  Okay, so then why are they playing with my fingers?

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  Because they like you.

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  They're bending time and space, they're traveling, they get to my, my little one bedroom apartment and they stand in there and, and watch me with my CPAP and then squeeze my three fingers?

• 2:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they like your sense of humor and they would like you to stay around and they think you're a positive contribution to the culture. And they don't want to mess up the delicate balance of the human race. They need more funny people. Maybe that's it.

• 2:03:16Speaker 02

  It makes no sense though, right?

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Of course it doesn't make sense. UFOs don't make sense. Aliens don't make sense. Ghosts don't make sense either.

• 2:03:22Speaker 02

  I don't mean that.

• 2:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Someone grabbing your hand doesn't make sense. No, it doesn't make sense.

• 2:03:25Speaker 02

  But I, but I, it, it just, it sucks that I'll never have an answer.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could have been just a spasm. And one thing that could happen is your hand could have locked up for whatever weird reason, because it happens all the time. It could happen with your foot, it could happen with your leg.

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  What it feels like to be locked up. This, this felt as, as pure as can be, like a, like this doing this.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  You ever be watching TV with your wife and, and you start snoring and she goes, "Were you asleep?" You're like, "No."

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  "But you really were?"

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you think maybe you thought you were awake, but you were like right there? I mean, you're in that.

• 2:04:00Speaker 02

  It's the only explanation I got.

• 2:04:01Joe Rogan?

  You got a tube in your mouth. You get the CPAP. You're wrapped up like a mummy. And then something's grabbing your hand. Maybe you're dreaming.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  That thing would have been scared, probably scared when I jumped down with the mask on like, "Ah!"

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  No, but, um. Or aliens.

• 2:04:15Speaker 02

  But, but, but here's the thing, I really took inventory before I jumped up to fight. Like I was like, "I am awake." "I am feeling this. I am not sleeping. I know I am not sleeping."

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  While you were feeling the pressure on your hand.

• 2:04:26Speaker 02

  Yes. Like I was saying to myself, "I'm one hun- you are 100% awake. Like this is happening to you right now."

• 2:04:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay, aliens.

• 2:04:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, fucking what?

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Aliens or ghosts?

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Ghosts is what I thought, but.

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 2:04:40Speaker 02

  What's the point?

• 2:04:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, ghosts seem to be in places where people die violently. Um, like, The Comedy Store is a good example of that. The Comedy Store used to be Zero's nightclub. So it was owned by Bugsy Siegel. So for sure, somebody got whacked. Somebody got whacked. And, uh, you know, there's also talk that like they use the basement to do illegal abortions. It's like, there's a lot of like folklore around that place because it was a mob-run nightclub.

• 2:05:11Speaker 02

  They're gonna have to start doing that again soon.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  But so many people that worked there over the years that I was there, so many people that like, people that were like late-night bartenders or a security guy. Yeah, they all had weird, a few comics, a few comics that were like reliable, reasonable people had bizarre experiences.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Carl LaBeau was asleep on stage. He said, he got kicked out of his house. Him and his wife got in a fight. Left, fuck you, I'm gonna make it. You know, goes, his girlfriend at the time, I think. I don't even think it was the same person, but anyway, he's at The Comedy Store sleeping on the stage. And he hears the seats clink around in the dark, like something's moving the seats. And he goes, hey, it's, uh, it's me, Carl. I got kicked out of my house, so I'm just sleeping on the stage. He doesn't hear anything. And then all of a sudden, something grabs his ankle and drags him off the stage, onto the floor, and starts pulling him through the crowd, and then just lets go. And then he hears a door slam and then another door slam on the outside. And he's laying in the middle of The Comedy Store main room.

• 2:06:15Joe Rogan?

  There's no people there. He has no idea what the fuck happened. He didn't see anything. He just felt something grab him and drag him off the stage and into the crowd. And he never, he wasn't like a guy who'd made things up.

• 2:06:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  He didn't have any other stories like that.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  But it's not like one of the workers or another comic fucking with him?

• 2:06:31Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. They would've definitely told him after a while. And also, I don't think so because he didn't see them. Like, he was like, I didn't see anyone grab me. He's like, "It's dark in there, but it's not perfect darkness." Right. He's like, "I didn't see whatever grabbed me and pulled me off the stage." It's like, "Maybe they didn't like someone staying the night there. Maybe that's their time." Like, "You don't do all your bullshit during the day with your bookkeeping, and then at nighttime with your stupid jokes, but once you guys leave..." It becomes the ocean. It's mine. Yeah, it becomes the ocean. It gets dark. You just get to see a place where a bunch of people died. Damn. Yeah. There was a lot of, there was a lot of suicide there, right? At the store? No, there was just one.

• 2:07:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, that store at the hotel next door? The guy jumped off the roof. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was during the, the days where the comics weren't making any money. So what is this? Comedy store, popular nightclub? So what does it say? "One of the snaziest, snaziest nightclubs during the 40s and the 50s, built by nightclub impresario William Wilkerson in the late 1930s. Zero's offered top entertainment, a swanky hangout for Hollywood stars and other high-profile people, including gangster Mickey Cohen, who used the club as his base of operations and had peepholes drills into walls so he could see who was coming and going. Oh shit. While dancing, drinking, and dining went up on upstairs, Zero's basement was the site of darker doings.

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Mob henchmen beat, tortured, and killed those who did not repay debts, owned, uh, competing clubs, betrayed trust, or crossed the mob in some way. Pregnant showgirls and mob girlfriends received illegal abortions, with at least one woman dying from her abortion. Waitstaff, security guards, and office workers are reported seeing a frightened man in a World War II bomber jacket who fades upon sighting What? of a huge black phantom in the basement, and a man in his 1940s garb walking around the premises and through walls. They have heard a woman wailing in the basement when no one was there, have experienced strange pranks such as chairs stacking themselves in the, in the middle of the stage, and perfectly set tables becoming unset."

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody that I knew that worked there for a long period of time had something weird happen. That's weird. But a few guys saw things. Like, one of the guys, I forget his name, man, it was like a old school comic that was hanging around there, said that, uh, one night when he was a doorman, he was, uh, going into the back bar area, and some guy, he saw some guy walk through the swinging doors. Um, you know, cause there's like two sets of swinging doors. So he walks in, and as he's walking in, he sees this guy go through the other set. He's like, "Hey, uh, we're closed." And he goes out into the hallway, dead empty. I mean, instantaneously, goes from seeing the guy walk through, to, "Hey, man, we're closed." There's a long hallway, and there's no one.

• 2:09:32Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no one ran, no one, nothing. He's like, "Dude, I saw a guy. He, he pushed open the fucking, the saloon doors." And it's not just him. Multiple people have had weird stories like that. And I always wonder, like, if someone dies in some horrific way like that, that's like very violent, maybe it leaves like a memory. Maybe it leaves like a stain of what, you know, like the, the, the universe force, the peace, love force of the universe, is so disrupted by this vile act, that it leaves this like- Stamps out like a- Yeah, this haunted memory that exists in the space. Cause like, they have to tell you if someone was murdered in a house. They do? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. I think there's a timeline.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, you can't say, "In nineteen twenty, someone was murdered there." Cause someone was murdered at our club, someone was murdered in our club in the seventies. No shit?

• 2:10:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Yeah, I forget the story. But the point is, like, if you buy a house, like, they have to tell you. They have to disclose it. Yeah.

• 2:10:33Speaker 04

  Not every state.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Not every state?

• 2:10:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, some, some states, California does, but Texas, it says it's not.

• 2:10:37Joe Rogan?

  We don't believe in that down here. We just bring in Jesus. I'm doing this bit because of my, um- Many states, there's no duty to disclose a death. Oh, so it's only California and Alaska? What states make you? Texas and Florida do not have to have a general duty for deaths unrelated to the property's condition. What if, like, a wall is splattered?

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  What if it's like, because I am a...

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  How many states make you tell? Those are the ones that believe in crystals.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Right? Makes sense in California, right? Doesn't it? Doesn't it make sense? Alaska, California, and South Dakota.

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  That's it?

• 2:11:22Joe Rogan?

  Only three states. That's nuts.

• 2:11:24Speaker 04

  There's just a timeline too.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and California, three years, and in South Dakota, they, 12 months, get over it.

• 2:11:32Speaker 02

  12 months? That's so funny.

• 2:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Alaska says just within the past year. Oh, a suicide too in Alaska. They have it listed as suicide as well. That's interesting.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  What is the point of the 12 months?

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Get over it.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  Like, who's putting that in there?

• 2:11:45Joe Rogan?

  Life moves on, Sal.

• 2:11:47Speaker 02

  We don't have to let you know if it's more than 12 months ago?

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  That's actually shocking. I would have thought it would have been way more than that.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  That it really is.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  I have a, I just recently, when my wife was not home for a few days, and I, and when we were having the baby and everything, and I had to come home because I had work and I had to take care of my other daughter and stuff, and I was never in bed without my wife there. Like, I just, it was the first time I was like laying in bed without her.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  And that's when they come get you.

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  That's when they got you, right?

• 2:12:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:12:18Speaker 02

  We know this, right?

• 2:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because she can't defend you.

• 2:12:19Speaker 02

  Right, exactly. No, this is a new bit I'm doing based on something that happened to us, so, you know, she, I'm on the road now like all the time for comedy, so she experiences that, but I don't, and I was like, oh, this is, I feel vulnerable, like, what if, like, I'm thinking, what if something, an intruder or a killer or something like that, you know?

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:35Speaker 02

  So, I'm thinking to myself, well, she's, what's she, what's she gonna do if she's here? She's not gonna do anything.

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  And I started to think, well, her being home is just a false, it's a delusion of security for me. She might yell, alert me to the killer.

• 2:12:50Joe Rogan?

  Just give you one extra second.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Get your shit together.

• 2:12:53Speaker 02

  She might yell, alert me that that could help, or the killer might kill her and I get away. I don't want that to happen, but that's just like, what if it could happen, right?

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:59Speaker 02

  She's not there, I'm like, I need, I need something in this house. I don't have anything. So... I didn't think anything of this, but I I Amazon Prime the machete to the house, right? So it came the next day. She didn't come home until three days later. So I had the machete in the house now, like I felt better, but I wasn't gonna get a gun. I just, you know, whatever. I I think I I couldn't get a gun that quick anyway, right? So I don't even know if it's legal, whatever. So I get this machete. I have it in the. We have the king sized bed. It's a split king.

• 2:13:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  So I had it like in the crack of the bed.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  So when she came home three days later, she got home at night. She hadn't been home in like six days. She took a shower. She had major surgery. She was healing. She just got in bed and it was already late at night. And so I was in bed and like we I went in bed with her and we shut the lights and I was laying out. I forgot that I I didn't tell her that I ordered a machete. I forgot that it was in between the bed. So she so she felt it and and she's like, what is this? And I just was like, I knew she wasn't gonna be happy about it. Cause like, yeah, so it's just like, you know, that's our machete. We got we got we got a machete, Amazon Prime the machete. And she's like, you're not keeping the machete. Long story short, my my what I was when I was laying there without her for a few days, I was like,

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  this is not a good weapon because I'm gonna end up if an intruder comes, I'm gonna machete them. And then I we can't live here anymore. You have to move.

• 2:14:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to move.

• 2:14:25Speaker 02

  If you get into a machete fight with someone and you you you chop them up, you have to move right away.

• 2:14:31Joe Rogan?

  Pretty much.

• 2:14:31Speaker 02

  You don't even stay, never mind things.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  You don't clean up.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  You you don't stay the next day. And so I already started thinking, well, how do I sell this house then? If I'm machete, like if I'm if I hit someone with a machete in here, they die right here. That's bad for the listing. But I don't have to disclose it now, now that I learned I don't have to disclose it. Cause I was like having an internal conflict.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Hold on to it for a year or.

• 2:14:53Speaker 02

  I don't have to.

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  In New York, you don't have to tell anybody anything, right? Is that what it said?

• 2:14:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:14:59Joe Rogan?

  So where were the states?

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  I was worried about it.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  If they ask though, you have to.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta disclose.

• 2:15:04Joe Rogan?

  It's like, are you a cop?

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  That's good move.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  Remember when people thought that was real?

• 2:15:11Speaker 02

  That is like-

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  It's the dirtiest trick they ever pulled in movies.

• 2:15:14Speaker 02

  Did you machete anyone here? No, you know if you machete someone, you have to tell us.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you got me. I'm an undercover cop.

• 2:15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's funny, man.

• 2:15:23Joe Rogan?

  It is funny when you really stop and think about it because like, that's such a crazy idea.

• 2:15:27Speaker 02

  That you have to.

• 2:15:28Joe Rogan?

  That you have to tell them. But they don't, they lie about everything. Like, uh, guys that infiltrate the mob, you know, like those kind of guys. Imagine if you have to tell. Are you an undercover cop?

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you got me.

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  That, that blows deep cover. It's like- Imagine if that was a rule? Joe Pistone.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  I had Joe Pistone on the podcast.

• 2:15:46Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, recently.

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  He's, he's-

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  He's, he's, he's 18 months in deep undercover and one of the guys is like, "Are you a cop?"

• 2:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, imagine, oh, because if you say no, and you really are, the case gets thrown out. Could you imagine? Imagine if that was the rule? That's the dumbest rule ever.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  That's just like some type of like, like lore or something?

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just like something they probably did on a TV show once.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  You know, you gotta tell me.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  And people believed that. When I was a kid, I remember people saying that. If you're buying weed and the guy says that he's a cop.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, everyone knows that.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  You gotta ask him.

• 2:16:19Speaker 02

  Same. It's bullshit. Complete bullshit.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  Complete made up stuff, but that's, that's just one of those things you would hear when you were a kid.

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:25Joe Rogan?

  Before the internet. You didn't get a chance because we just, just checked to see the truth.

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  I thought it was real. Like, I, I felt, not that I was doing anything that would have warranted me having to ask, but like, I did feel like a sense of like, I got something in my back pocket. If, if something's like, if I don't know, you know, like if I'm, if I'm at a party, underage drinking, like, you know.

• 2:16:43Joe Rogan?

  You might be able to pull that out and rescue yourself. Oh, you got me. Get out of here, kid.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  The best is the follow-up where if, if the cop says no and everyone's like, "You know you have to tell me if you are."

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  Where was that from? Like then the cop comes, "Oh, okay, fine, fine, fine, fine. I forgot I had to tell you. I forgot."

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  What's the origin of that?

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's so funny.

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that was like a television show or a movie or something? I bet it was. It is like, I bet it was like a tool that they used in a tel- or maybe it was like a CIA op to get people to think that they would be able to use that anytime so they don't worry about doing illegal shit.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  Psy-ops feel like the good answer for everything.

• 2:17:22Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  Although it was probably an episode of like Matlock or something like that.

• 2:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Psy-ops also account for your hand grip. Somebody gripping your hand, there's some remote viewer, reached out, some CIA basement, fucking focused on your hand and squeezed it.

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  Do you know I only learned what psyop, I only learned the term psyop with the drones recently?

• 2:17:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never heard of it before.

• 2:17:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 2:17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:42Joe Rogan?

  You, you never heard of psychological operations that are done on not just this civilization, but others?

• 2:17:49Speaker 02

  No, I never heard, I mean, at least framed as a psyop. And then I was like, what is that? And I was like, you know, because with the drones, man, I was, if that was a psyop, I was fully psyopt.

• 2:17:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know what that was, you know, because they were gonna tell us supposedly, and then they kind of just didn't.

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I was waiting every day. Trump was like, I'm gonna, when I'm in, I'm gonna give you the full download immediately. It's ridiculous. I'll let you guys know what's going on specifically, blah, blah, blah. And then it was, it was, he said, someone, he didn't, then he never addressed, then someone else said to him like, hey, what was going on with those drones? When are you gonna tell us? And he was like, they're ours. And that's all he said. That was like, that was like five weeks of, I was watching drones outside, outside my window every night. I had, I was fucking binoculars. Like my wife's like, go to bed, you're gonna drive yourself crazy. I'm like, there's, there's 12 drones outside right now.

• 2:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't discount the idea that they're not telling you the truth. But they might have been ours too. That's the problem. It might have been someone else's. That doesn't mean anything.

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:53Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean anything.

• 2:18:54Speaker 02

  But it's weird how the administration before him refused to say anything and let it get to a fever pitch, where people started to feel like completely, like, not that I don't trust the government already, but like, it's, it got to a point where I was like, this is, how are they allowed to just,

• 2:19:11Speaker 02

  just tell us, oh, you're not seeing, it's, that's not what you're seeing. Like, it just was like, I, it was, I was getting like, really, because now, you know, you think differently with kids and stuff like that. I'm like, what's going on here? I'm like, I started like, I started Amazoning like dry foods and like survival manuals and stuff. I'm like, what is, are we gonna go to war? Like, what is going on?

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  So there's a bunch of different possibilities, right? And all of them. They don't have to be truthful about it, nor would they be, if it's a national security issue, it'd probably be better if they weren't truthful, because people would freak out. It's also the potential that they are ours and they did them on purpose to see how people would respond.

• 2:19:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:50Joe Rogan?

  So that's possible too.

• 2:19:51Speaker 02

  Right, that I saw.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  It's also possible that they're not ours and there's someone else who's flexing on us and they're doing it in a way where they're showing you we have technological superiority. Our, our stuff is way more advanced than yours. And if there would be a culprit in that regard, in my mind, it would be China.

• 2:20:08Speaker 02

  Right, that's what I thought at first.

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  China is so far ahead of the United States in drone technology. They're so far the United States in electric car technology.

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  Like, they're doing some wild stuff over there. They, they make, I mean, at least Taiwan does, makes all the semiconductor chips or a lot of them. There's a lot of electronics that are being manufactured over there. They're very high level of sophistication for their engineering and all the design and all the stuff they're doing. They're, they're doing some.

• 2:20:35Speaker 02

  Renewable energy, they're light years.

• 2:20:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Singapore, light years ahead of us. I think we're sleeping on how far advanced they are with certain stuff. They do drone shows that will fucking blow you away. They have synchronized drones that do like stories in the sky. Have you ever seen them, the Chinese drone shows?

• 2:20:54Speaker 02

  I've seen like just light drone shows here where they're like, they form like an image or something like that.

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  See, this is the thing about regulations. Regulations are good. You don't want a bunch of drones flying around slamming into planes.

• 2:21:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:05Joe Rogan?

  But the problem is, if you only allow someone to fly these very sophisticated drones if they have a pilot's license, and then you regulate everything, the way they do in America, and then you say you can't make this and you can't make that and we can't have this and you can't have that, you're stifling innovation while in China, they're going hog wild. So they're not even thinking about regulating. They're making the best stuff they can make all the time and they have the best minds that they can have working on them. Because they have to.

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Go make me a fucking drone army.

• 2:21:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, pull up like the dragon one, when they had the dragon in the sky. Dude, their shit is so far beyond what we're doing.

• 2:21:45Speaker 02

  I know, and that's why I thought there was out there that that was them and that was a flex.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  It could easily be that.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  But then Trump was just like, it's just us, it's us, us.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's what you have to say, because if you say that China's flexing on us.

• 2:21:56Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:21:59Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:22:01Joe Rogan?

  They have insane, and this isn't even the craziest one. They have other ones that are even crazier. Like, these things are nuts, man.

• 2:22:07Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:22:09Speaker 02

  That's all independently flown?

• 2:22:11Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:22:12Speaker 02

  Like, every single one of those lights is independent?

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Every single one of those is independent. They're all different drones. And they all are moving to the sync of some program they created.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:22:21Joe Rogan?

  It's unbelievable, man. And that's just the pretty stuff, right? Now, imagine if they're doing that. What kind of military stuff do they have? What kind of stuff do they have that can block signals? What kind of stuff that they have that maybe has some sort of a novel power source? Or a novel battery supply?

• 2:22:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  My friend saw one of them that just hovered overhead. He said this thing just hovered. He said it was as big as a fucking school bus. And it was just hovering above his head. In New Jersey. And he was like, "What the fuck is that?"

• 2:22:49Speaker 02

  They were like the size of, like, cars.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  And he said it wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't loud.

• 2:22:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  And then it took off. And some of them, they said, when they were going after them, they shut their lights off. And evaded pursuit.

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  They put jamming signals out so you couldn't find their location. They were doing weird stuff. So if that is ours, then they're trying, like, look, if you're gonna do a real military exercise, that's how you would do it. If you were gonna, if you were gonna say, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna plan this out, but we're not gonna let the pilots know what's going on. And we're gonna start flying these things over and seeing how these jets interact with them in a real-world environment. Tell them not to shoot. Give very distinct orders, either not to be shot down. Because we're not gonna do anything hostile with these drones. But let's see how good they are at finding them, tracking them. Let's, like, pressure-test the system. So if they're ours, I would say that would be a good way to do it. I mean, it seems a little unethical.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  But you also get two things at the same time. You get the little psychological thing, where you get to see how bad people freak out. Some people might freak out. "Please, look at my phone. Do whatever you want. Set an Alexa in my toilet. Do whatever you want. Just protect me from the drones."

• 2:23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:58Joe Rogan?

  So you can find out how people react to the UFO craze. And then you can also find out how well our drones are at evading modern warplanes.

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  Alexa in the toilet is not a bad idea as well. Don't sell yourself short.

• 2:24:11Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have robots in your house that talk to you all day and and report what you say to the government.

• 2:24:16Speaker 02

  I do that now.

• 2:24:17Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna happen.

• 2:24:18Speaker 02

  I do that now. I finally did chat. I did chat. I was telling you, I did chat GPT finally. I was like, I'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna do this. I really wanna do this. And I was like, I also don't wanna be left behind. Like, if this can, like, you know, so.

• 2:24:31Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be inevitable. And it's it's not just gonna be inevitable. I mean, there's gonna be versions of it that are gonna achieve things that the greatest human minds couldn't even believe.

• 2:24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Couldn't even believe would be possible within our lifetime. That's what I think. I think it's going to get to a point when they have artificial general superintelligence. And it's, what is it, eighteen, twenty forty nine? What what's the year they think it's gonna achieve? Like, it's peak intelligence. There's like estimations, like a lot of these guys, they point, is it twenty forty five or twenty forty nine? There's like, the Kurzweil guys. Didn't, because that was that conference that Ari and I and Duncan went to back in the day. That was Kurzweil's thing. I think it was twenty forty nine. So if at twenty forty nine, like, what does the AI look like then? It's like some super creature, some new type of life form, you know?

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Some new, super intelligent thing that we made.

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:31Joe Rogan?

  And that's when the aliens land. It went, finally, they go, finally, you guys made it. Twenty forty and twenty fifty, with some placing a fifty percent probability around this timeframe. Predictions range widely, with some entrepreneurs and AI leaders being more optimistic, suggesting dates in the twenty thirties or even late twenty twenties, while others expect it closer to mid-century or later.

• 2:25:51Speaker 02

  Wow. Nah.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's scary.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  You know how I'm using it now? I just talked, I paid the 20 bucks and I, I, I named, I asked the, I gave her a female voice, whatever.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  This is fun though. I mean, at least I'll have fun while I can with it. And I just said, I said, what's your name? And she said, just chat, no, just chat, GPT. I'm like,

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  No, baby.

• 2:26:16Speaker 02

  I'm like, can I call you, can I call you Stankass?

• 2:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just, just off the top, I was like, I'll call you Stankass. And she was like, I, she goes, ah, it's a bit crass, but I, I get why it's funny. Sure. So I was like, cool. Can you just call me Big Pimpin whenever you talk to me? And she's like, all right. And I was like, and whenever we speak, no matter what I'm asking, can you please speak in 90s hip hop vernacular?

• 2:26:39Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:26:40Speaker 02

  And she's like, yeah, you know, so now that's just how like if I ask her something, she's like, yo, what up, Big Pimpin?

• 2:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  She's like, let me get you that, you know, let me get you those, whatever. She's like, let me find you a hydration tablet that's in the, you know, here, check it out.

• 2:26:54Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how many guys are doing that?

• 2:26:55Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  You know how many guys are like falling in love with girls that they have AI girlfriends?

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  That's, that's, I mean, that's, yeah, that's fucked up, but that's, there's no doubt that's gonna happen. I mean, I was gonna say it. Hey, Stankass, you there?

• 2:27:12Speaker 00

  Yo, Big Pimpin, I'm right here vibing with you. What you need, just hit me up and we'll keep it all hip hop and smooth like always.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious, dude. That's so funny.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  That's as far as I've got.

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Now that's gonna be a person in your house. One day, that's gonna be a person in your house, a really hot one in like a maid's outfit.

• 2:27:29Speaker 02

  Not if I have anything to do with this.

• 2:27:30Joe Rogan?

  Not you, but some guy out there listening. He's gonna be talking to Big Pimpin. We're, we're gonna be in the matrix in five years.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  Don't, I can't, every time I come, I can't leave here with a full blown new set of anxieties. I can't do it.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna need them. You're gonna need those anxieties for when society falls.

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  I can't.

• 2:27:49Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna need to learn to use that bow and arrow.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  I can't. Yeah, how about instead of the gym, how about instead of the gym, you just take me a little bow and arrow practice, just a little bit.

• 2:27:59Joe Rogan?

  Get it to eat, well.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Just give me, just give me enough, like if someone's running on my lawn, I could just take them out.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  There's no such thing as a little. Someone can like show how to do it once, but if you want to learn like a traditional bow and arrow setup, I'm not the guy to do that.

• 2:28:11Speaker 02

  Cause the machete's not gonna go that far.

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  The machete, also the grip, I don't like how close it is to the blade. I don't like that.

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  I don't like that either, yeah.

• 2:28:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't like that. Although I did watch two guys in a machete fight in the streets and one guy chopped the other guy's hand off and the other guy picked his hand up and left. Yeah. Yeah, that's on Instagram. Tom Segura sent me that one.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  He picked it up and left?

• 2:28:33Joe Rogan?

  Chopped his fucking hand right off and that dude looked down, grabbed his hand and left.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  He's like, I guess this fight's over. I just lost a hand. Let me pick up my hand and fucking skeed at him.

• 2:28:44Speaker 02

  I mean, what do you think there? I mean, I guess this is better than dying?

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  I guess.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  He took the hand. He's optimistic.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe they could stitch it back on.

• 2:28:53Speaker 02

  Your hand gets chopped off, you don't run? You get the hand?

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Let's talk about the caliber of doctors available in a place where you can get your hand chopped off in a machete fight in the street.

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Right in front of a taco vendor.

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:05Joe Rogan?

  The veterinarian.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  You gotta find a White Pages.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Don't play it. Don't play it. Jesus Christ. Okay, play it.

• 2:29:12Speaker 02

  Um, do I watch?

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Son of a bitch. Bro, this is so nasty.

• 2:29:18Speaker 02

  Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Oh my god, dude.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  See, that guy already doesn't have a hand. See?

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Oh my god, no, I don't see and I don't want to see.

• 2:29:27Joe Rogan?

  See how he runs off? He's missing his fucking hand, dude.

• 2:29:29Speaker 02

  He's like, I said unleaded.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Bro, those guys hacked each other apart with machetes. So look, he's missing his fucking hand. Look at him. And he's like, where's your hand? Oh, it's over here, bro. And so this dude runs over. And picks up his own fucking hand dude.

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  Oh my god dude.

• 2:29:51Joe Rogan?

  He grabs his hand. Okay, we're done. Please stop.

• 2:29:54Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Please stop Jamie. Why Jamie? Why did you do that?

• 2:29:59Speaker 02

  I mean, he had to be in shock, right? Cause he was, he was, he looked composed.

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Or that happens normally in his neighborhood. You know, probably a bunch of one-handed dudes out there running around.

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  How many times was that reattached? Before this? No, he strolled up to that.

• 2:30:12Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  He strolled up to it.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  He didn't freak out at all. Yeah.

• 2:30:15Speaker 02

  He had to be in shock. That was the most non, it was like he was picking up a quarter.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's obviously not a healthy individual. His life circumstances are not the best. In a machete fight in the middle of the street.

• 2:30:27Speaker 02

  The two of them?

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts.

• 2:30:29Speaker 02

  And it wasn't like they were in the jungle, they were at a gas station.

• 2:30:32Joe Rogan?

  Crazy decision to make.

• 2:30:33Speaker 02

  What could they have been fighting over?

• 2:30:35Joe Rogan?

  Probably a chick.

• 2:30:36Speaker 04

  Just the first.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  So isn't that all?

• 2:30:38Speaker 04

  Of a machete fight hand gives me seven different cases.

• 2:30:42Speaker 02

  No, don't, don't show me anymore Jamie.

• 2:30:44Speaker 04

  It's not all video, but it talks about it happening in different places.

• 2:30:47Joe Rogan?

  Of course it has. I mean, imagine what life was like when people were sword fighting all the time.

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  That was a normal thing to carry around a sword everywhere.

• 2:30:54Speaker 02

  A lot of people had no, I bet there was a very common to see people without limbs.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  Like it was nothing.

• 2:30:59Joe Rogan?

  People missing half their face. Yeah, yeah, you probably.

• 2:31:02Speaker 02

  What did they do back then? Quaterize it or something? Like how did they?

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Probably died.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he got infected. You know, they didn't even know how to wash things back then. So as soon as you, you know, you get any kind of horrible injury, you're gonna get an infection.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  I just learned how George Washington died. Did you hear about this?

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  Did you never heard about how he died?

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  No, how did he die?

• 2:31:20Speaker 02

  It's pretty fucked up. He caught a common cold and then thought that he needed to, um, he needed to get his blood sucked out of him.

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:31:30Speaker 02

  And so he got people to put leeches on him and the leeches were just sucking the blood out of him and it was like, it was like a cold. And then he got infected and he basically caught a, I guess he was, he went out in the rain or something like that and got a cold. And then he, it was a common cold and he put leeches on him. They sucked out his blood and then he, he was losing blood and then.

• 2:31:57Speaker 02

  He, he ended up doing more stuff to himself. He basically killed himself.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  It's just a common cold?

• 2:32:03Speaker 02

  It was a cold, yeah. I, I, I didn't know this.

• 2:32:05Joe Rogan?

  How do they know it's just a cold?

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  I just-

• 2:32:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a long ass time ago.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, uh, that's what the research says. I mean, because on the show, we made, uh, my buddy, um...

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe this is the anti-leech lobby ad.

• 2:32:17Speaker 02

  We reenacted his death, so there was like a, there's a walking tour in New York City, like a historical tour, and it ends at Francis Tavern, which is the oldest bar, and that's where Washington hung out. So we dressed him as Washington at the end of this tour, and we put leeches on him.

• 2:32:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:32:32Speaker 02

  But we pulled it from the actual story. It's kinda wild.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  That is wild. And that's what killed him? Fucking leeches? It extracted a half a pint of blood? Oh, God. A guy did. So Rawlins extracted half a pint of blood. Washington favored this treatment, despite Martha's voice concerns. Should've listened to Martha, bro. As he believed it cured him of past ailments. Washington was also given to a mixture of molasses, butter, and vinegar to soothe his throat. This mixture was difficult to swallow, causing Washington to convulse and nearly suffocate. Jesus.

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  And the sicker he got, the sicker he got, the more he thought it was the blood, so he kept telling them to add leeches.

• 2:33:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 2:33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:13Joe Rogan?

  A solution of vinegar and sage tea, prepared for gargling.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  He was bled for the fourth and final time. It was later reported that a turtle of thirty-two ounces of blood was extracted during the last bleeding. Some in the press criticized the practice of bloodletting used in an attempt to save Washington's life. Isn't that crazy that bloodletting, which is fucking terrible for you, they used to think that that was a good thing back then?

• 2:33:39Speaker 02

  Same.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  That is nuts.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  Just drained all the blood out of himself.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  Why did it, who was the fucking genius in seventeen seventy-five, or whatever it was? What, what year did he die? Had to be after that, right?

• 2:33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:51Joe Rogan?

  It's like seventeen... Ninety-nine. Like, who, who was the wizard? Who was that, the top guru?

• 2:33:58Speaker 02

  He, but he, he commanded it.

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Who was the Anthony Fauci of bloodletting?

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  It's both safe and effective! And he's, he got poor George believing the hype.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  He had multiple doctors.

• 2:34:09Joe Rogan?

  But somebody must've told him to do that. It wasn't his idea.

• 2:34:12Speaker 02

  And he kept thanking them, too. He was like being gracious through it all, being like, "Thank you so much for helping me."

• 2:34:17Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:34:20Joe Rogan?

  Uh, five in the afternoon, Washington sat up from bed, dressed and walked over to his chair. He returned to bed within thirty minutes. Craig went to him and Lear reported that Washington said, "Doctor, I die hard, but I am not afraid to go. I believed from my first attack that I should not survive it. My breath cannot last long." Soon afterwards, Washington thanked all three doctors for their service. Craig remained in the room. At eight at night, more blisters and cataplasms were applied, this time to Washington's feet and legs. Is that what a leech is, a cataplasma?

• 2:34:52Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  At ten at night, George Washington spoke, requesting to be decently buried and to not let my body be put in the vault in less than three days after I am dead.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Huh. Maybe he just wanted to go.

• 2:35:09Joe Rogan?

  You know? It also could have been like, think about that guy. How many guys did that guy hack to death? You know?

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  During the Revolutionary War, like, what, what, what, what shit did he see?

• 2:35:20Speaker 02

  Lot of machetes.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  How many muskets to the face did he see? You know, and he was at the front line, like, that fucking animal waded into battle.

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:29Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:35:30Speaker 02

  I stopped.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  What, at, at that time, and it's like, he was probably like, "Just take my fucking blood."

• 2:35:36Speaker 02

  I had enough.

• 2:35:37Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen ninety-nine, how old was he when he died?

• 2:35:39Speaker 02

  Seventeen.

• 2:35:41Joe Rogan?

  All right, sev- yeah, seventeen ninety-nine, brother. How old was he?

• 2:35:47Joe Rogan?

  Sixty-seven? Yeah, bro, he was done. He was probably done. He was probably done.

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  I stopped watching Game of Thrones after season six, just because, just because I couldn't, I couldn't bear to see one more slit throat.

• 2:36:00Joe Rogan?

  And you see what that guy went through.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  I know, Game of the White Wedding got me. I was like, "Am I really invested in this show?"

• 2:36:06Speaker 02

  I stopped, I don't know what happens after.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Like The Walking Dead, when they baseball batted that dude in the head? I was like, "I'm out."

• 2:36:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I only watched like-

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Like Glenn, they killed Glenn with a baseball bat.

• 2:36:15Speaker 02

  Season two or three, I only did. No, you know what it was for me in, uh, in Game of Thrones? They put like a little girl at the stake and burned her at the stake.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  That was like the end of season six, and I was like, "Why am I watching this?"

• 2:36:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:26Speaker 02

  Like, it's just, it's not entertainment to me. This is like, this is like disturbing to me.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  That show, it, at times was very horrific.

• 2:36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:33Joe Rogan?

  Very horrific. But also fucking awesome.

• 2:36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was intense. It was intense. It was like really, it's a classic, but I, I, I don't, I didn't care. I was like, I can't watch another slit throat.

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  I know. But there were some cool moments, though, that you get past the slit throats. There were some moments where, Khaleesi had that dragon behind her and you didn't see the dragon until like a couple of seconds before it burned the person. She's talking to this person and she, I don't, I forget what they had been guilty of.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  But she's standing there and then in the darkness behind her, slowly you just see this dragon emerge.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:10Joe Rogan?

  This enormous head that's right behind her is one of the fucking coolest scenes in any show ever.

• 2:37:16Speaker 02

  It's all drones.

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  And then it torches.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  It looks so realistic. That's what's so crazy about CGI.

• 2:37:23Speaker 02

  It was good to see all those characters get their comeuppance.

• 2:37:26Joe Rogan?

  Everybody got their comeuppance. That was the craziest thing about that show. Everybody died. I mean, the, the, the brother got his hand hacked off and you're like, what the fuck? He's got no hand.

• 2:37:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  When that dude got killed by the mountain, they crushed his head like a grape. You remember that?

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:37:40Speaker 04

  About the treatments they gave George Washington.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Other treatments they gave him during that period were enemas.

• 2:37:45Speaker 02

  Woo.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  And drugs to make him vomit and something called blisters where they applied Spanish fly onto his throat, which caused a painful blister again to remove these terrible humors that are caused by the inflammation. Humors?

• 2:38:00Speaker 04

  Maybe it's just my looks like tumors could have been there.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, maybe tumors that were caused by the inflammation? That doesn't make any sense. Tumors. But if the disease itself didn't get George Washington, the doctor certainly did. Yeah, man, he probably wanted to go.

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  He didn't have a disease, though. He had just a cold.

• 2:38:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  And it just was all of these things, blisters and suffocating him with the molasses and the leeches and everything. It's like, I didn't know that. I had no idea.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Every time he closed his eyes, he probably saw a fucking bayonet through some guy's eyeball that he did.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  He probably saw some dude's head that he bashed against a rock. He probably saw some other dude that he fucking battle axed in the head.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  But they roll like that.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  I know, but it's like. No one knew what PTSD was back then.

• 2:38:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:39Joe Rogan?

  No one, you know, even in Vietnam, they used to call it shell shocked.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  No one knew what PTSD was. And this guy had to have all of it.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, he had all of it. I mean.

• 2:38:50Speaker 02

  Plus wooden teeth.

• 2:38:51Joe Rogan?

  Slave's teeth, bro.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  He had slave's teeth and horse teeth in his mouth in a, a, a lead mold. Shane has a hilarious bit about it.

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, when he went to go visit the.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  About the visiting the George Washington Museum. It's a hilarious bit, but the teeth are the creepiest looking fucking things you've ever seen.

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:09Joe Rogan?

  It was so creepy. They just made this concoction, the stick in his fucking face. Where they pulled all the rest of his teeth out and gave him this just full on set of fake teeth.

• 2:39:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it looks insane.

• 2:39:21Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, how bad was gum health back then? That this guy had, they got a full set of fake teeth.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  I can't even imagine being back then and having a conversation.

• 2:39:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh God, the breath?

• 2:39:32Speaker 02

  Just having a conversation with someone.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, just.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  We're not, it's just a different time, man.

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, if someone saw you walking down the street and they liked your shoes, they would just kill you. And take your shoes.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  Just kill you.

• 2:39:42Joe Rogan?

  They would look at your feet, see if they're close to their feet, just fucking kill you.

• 2:39:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, Washington couldn't wear Jordans anywhere.

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  No Jordans.

• 2:39:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Right, that is kinda happening today. If you think about it that way.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Certain places. I didn't think about it that way.

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  But. Life is definitely way more barbaric then. Way more barbaric.

• 2:40:01Speaker 02

  What's the most you put up with now, really?

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, for now, not bad, but when the robots come.

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  John Connor tried to warn us.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  It's, it's wild to watch those movies right now.

• 2:40:14Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  Yo, those are kind of accurate.

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Super accurate, like disturbingly accurate. Like, and we're just wading right into it, like, oh, we're gonna be fine. This is fine.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  But we're all talking about it.

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  I forgot to tell you this, when you were telling me about the scuba diving stuff. My buddy, Adam Green Tree, he, uh, was freed, freediving. And these guys made, you know, they have the really long flippers, the freedivers.

• 2:40:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:40:37Joe Rogan?

  That's what they're called, right? Flippers? Fins?

• 2:40:39Speaker 02

  That's what I was saying, I didn't know.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  Um. These fucking guys made him this really cool pair and painted them fish scales. And so, no, it's not dope. Cause he swims in a place where they have sharks. So he's spearfishing. He shoots this fish and these bull sharks show up. Cause apparently, so many people spearfish. That the sharks have figured out that the sound of that gun going off. Means there's gonna be blood in the water and a wounded fish. And they could steal it from the people. And so, as he shot the fish. These bull sharks show up and they bite his fucking fins off. Both of his fins.

• 2:41:18Speaker 02

  But just the fins?

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  Just the fins. Cause they think the fin is a fish. They don't know what the fuck he is. But they think his fins are a fish, cause they've got fucking scales on them!

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  That's fucking nuts. I'm sure the fish helmet didn't help either.

• 2:41:30Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:41:30Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  He had gills and shit.

• 2:41:34Speaker 02

  He was dressed as a fish.

• 2:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that's your next thing they make you do? After they hear this, "Sal, we got something." "We heard you like scuba diving."

• 2:41:42Speaker 02

  They just, uh, we talked about this last time, but I, I, I'm not good with jump scares. I, I, we talked about this. Like, I'm just not good with it. They threw me in the hole and now we talked about this.

• 2:41:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 2:41:53Speaker 02

  So we just wrapped season 12, so it was like, one of the last things, it's kinda my fault. Cause we were gonna put, do this to Q, we were gonna put him in a demolition derby and stuff. And then have him not be able to finish until he canceled this cable. So, eh, insurance wouldn't let us do the demolition derby. So now we're in like Halloween time, they found this, like this place in Jersey that's like a warehouse. That they do like, it's an insane haunted house. It's like, these people come in and get into makeup like two hours before, like it's like a really crazy one. They put me in this thing. And I, and I was on live, on a live feed with an operator. And I could not leave the haunted house until I canceled my phone, internet and cable.

• 2:42:35Speaker 02

  I was in it for forty-two minutes.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's ridiculous.

• 2:42:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. The first thing that happened was I got, they, they went live on the feed, so I'm hearing it. I'm walking through this thing, a fucking warehouse, it's so, so insane. The first thing that comes out is, "We are experiencing, uh, un- unusual traffic. You have a twelve to seventeen minute wait time."

• 2:42:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god.

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  So I'm going through the haunted house.

• 2:42:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would make me calm down. Like, after you get scared a few times, like, I get it.

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 2:43:03Speaker 02

  No. What do you, what do you mean you get it? What do you get?

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  What, I get it. We're in a haunted house.

• 2:43:07Speaker 02

  People coming after you the whole time. Yeah, but after a while I'd get used to it, no? No. It got worse? It was, it was like- Did it ramp up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, dude, it was like a warehouse. It was like, I never was in, I was never in the same room twice for forty minutes. It was like a huge, huge place. Oh. And so, you didn't know, themes changed and demons changed and everything. Sounds fun. It wasn't fun for me. I, I'll tell you, I, I, this is a error in hindsight, I shouldn't have done this, but I, I needed to know, cause I said to them, I said, "Look, I just need, if I'm really, like, if I need to breathe for a second, if you're really messing with me and I need for real for it to stop, I need you to let me know truthfully that you'll stop."

• 2:43:48Speaker 02

  Because I can't do this, my, my, my nervous system is gonna be out of whack. It just, it just, this is how I respond to this stuff. And so, they said, "Yes," but I didn't believe them, because I, I've had this happen in the past, like where we fuck with each other and we, we don't tell the truth. So I brought a taser with me, because I, or a stun gun, I brought one with me in there, because it made me feel, at least, if I felt that I needed one of these people to back off from me and I took out the taser- You would tase them? An employee? No, I wouldn't tase them, but I had it on me. You showed them to scare it to them? I did. To scare them with it? And it came out. It came out. Really? Yes, because after the seventeen minute wait time, this guy came on,

• 2:44:32Speaker 02

  and you have to think about this, like, I thought he was gonna continually hang up on me, because I'm in a haunted house, like, he's screaming and there's music and I'm screaming, I'm running around and, so I said, as soon as he picked up, I said, "Just listen to me, please, and I'm, I'm being dead serious, I, I have to cancel my cable right now, and I'm in a haunted house, and there's no other time I could do it, this is not a joke, I need to stay on the phone with you, so you're gonna hear screaming and me screaming and things happening, but please don't hang up on me, please," and the guy goes, "I understand."

• 2:45:01Speaker 02

  So he stayed on the line with me after he picked up like it was like 14 minutes. So by the time I was like 30, 35 minutes in and they said these people weren't gonna touch me and they did. And like I just, my nervous system was completely shot.

• 2:45:16Joe Rogan?

  They weren't supposed to touch you?

• 2:45:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:45:18Joe Rogan?

  What did the guy do?

• 2:45:19Speaker 02

  They were grabbing me, running up to me, jumping from behind, like all that stuff like that. And so I, I was like, part of me thought that it might be a little funny, but also like it, they wouldn't come near me if I was going, you know, like, so I was like, this is my way. And I took it out and I did it and I didn't realize though, like that, like the afterward I found out that the guy that owns the place, they were watching on like the closed circuit televisions and he freaked out because like he's like, well, he has a taser on like, what is he? You can't, he can't do that. Like, and you know, those people, they're supposed to still come at me, but like when I, but they played it really cool. They were just like, you know, like they were like surrounding me and everything and I was like just hitting the taser on him.

• 2:46:00Speaker 02

  But I put it away after a few minutes, but I like, it did give me like a respite that like they weren't going to give me. But after I canceled the cable, they were like, it happened like sooner than they thought. So then they were like, cancel phone. Then after cancel phone, they added canceling internet. So I stayed on with this guy, canceled phone, internet and cable. It took 40, 42 minutes. But I got, yeah, but I had it. I had the taser and I sometimes you gotta take, you know, into your own hands, you know?

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  I understand.

• 2:46:27Speaker 02

  So I did. I did.

• 2:46:30Joe Rogan?

  It would have fucked, it would have really sucked if you actually tasered somebody though.

• 2:46:34Speaker 02

  I had a

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever been tasered?

• 2:46:36Speaker 02

  To not do it. No.

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Don't you wanna know what it feels like when you have one?

• 2:46:43Speaker 02

  I've been shocked really bad by large dog collar, like dog shock collars. Yeah. So I guess like, I don't know if that's the same.

• 2:46:50Joe Rogan?

  What is the, what is the, the difference between a dog shock collar and a taser? Like, but there's also different kinds of tasers, right? There's like really powerful tasers and then there's tasers that are like

• 2:47:01Speaker 02

  I had, they did this to me two times on the show and so

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  How bad is it?

• 2:47:06Speaker 02

  It's, it's so bad. It might be online. They put them around my arms and legs.

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  At the same time, all four of them?

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  All four at the same time. Then they had a

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Did they check to see if that'll kill you?

• 2:47:15Speaker 02

  They didn't. And my, my wife was like, you have to go to the doctor because you can-

• 2:47:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god dude, that's a lot of electricity.

• 2:47:21Speaker 02

  It was like, it was like a hundred times they shocked me, right?

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  They made me give a museum tour. So I was a tour guide in a museum. I had him under my clothes and I couldn't let the people know that anything weird was going on. So I'm giving a tour of this museum and the whole time they're shocking me under my clothes and I like, can't let on to people in my tour group. And I didn't want to feel the shock until I was on camera because I was like, I'm not gonna take any extra shocks.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:47:46Speaker 02

  So they ta- they shocked me for the first time on camera and I, I, I, I almost jumped out of my clothes. I was like, I can't do this. You can't do this. I had to do it because you can't say no to a punishment.

• 2:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it seems like that punishment hadn't been really vetted out.

• 2:47:59Speaker 02

  It really wasn't.

• 2:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Four collars is probably too much. Like, they could have killed you. Imagine?

• 2:48:05Speaker 02

  Well, listen, so the next season, they did it again and I was at a seance. And I was like a psychic medium.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  See how many collars?

• 2:48:14Speaker 02

  This is how fucking dumb I am because I think I did irreparable damage.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  Because we went on tour after that.

• 2:48:21Joe Rogan?

  Alright, here's the difference. Dog collar 400 volts to 7,000 volts. Taser 50,000 volts, sustained 1,200 volts. So it looks like, initial 15, 50,000 volts, sustained 1,200 volts. So, a taser's a lot worse, uh, initially, but go back again? Go back again, Jamie? But the thing is like, you have four on. So you don't have one dog shock collar?

• 2:48:48Speaker 02

  They hit me one at a time though.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  You have four. Oh.

• 2:48:50Speaker 02

  I just don't know where it's gonna come from.

• 2:48:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see. Okay.

• 2:48:53Speaker 02

  But if they held it down, like you literally go like this, like you can't move. You go like-

• 2:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I'm saying it now and I'm like, this should have never happened.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Alright, well if they only did one at a time, still, that's a lot.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  It's a lot, dude.

• 2:49:06Joe Rogan?

  That could really hurt you. Like, did they check your heart first? Did they check your heart? Did you go through an EKG or anything like that?

• 2:49:13Speaker 02

  Didn't, man.

• 2:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Jesus, man, that's silly.

• 2:49:15Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm worse off because when we went on tour after that, I thought it was like funny to do live. It hurt bad, but like, so for the whole tour, I would show like a clip from the tele- Show and then be like, I'm gonna tell you this story about like this time I've. Did I tell you I have tattoos of Jaden Smith on my body? Like photorealistic tattoos of Jaden Smith on my thighs.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Don't think you did. No, is that something you had to do?

• 2:49:38Speaker 02

  I had to do, yes. I was telling a story of that while hooked up to the shock collars like at the at the show. And so they could, they called up someone from the audience and they stood behind me and they can shock me. While I was doing this bit about Jaden, like whenever they wanted and we did that throughout the tour.

• 2:49:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:49:54Speaker 02

  And I just always like thought like, well, if they do it to a dog, it's safe.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  That's has Jaden seen this?

• 2:50:00Speaker 02

  He he posed for that one.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:50:02Speaker 02

  But the first one, he's 21 there. The first one right there is when he was 15. He he didn't know about that one and I and I saw him in public and I showed him it.

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  What did he say?

• 2:50:14Speaker 02

  It was really weird.

• 2:50:16Joe Rogan?

  Sal, that's so ridiculous.

• 2:50:18Speaker 02

  It's on my thigh right now. It was weird.

• 2:50:20Joe Rogan?

  To keep it there or can you cover it up?

• 2:50:21Speaker 02

  It was the spirit was that I have to.

• 2:50:24Joe Rogan?

  Keep it forever.

• 2:50:24Speaker 02

  Live with it. So.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  The spirit. What kind of bullshit show is that? Like you need to come up with some stuff to do to them.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  It's commitment to the bit.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  For your whole life.

• 2:50:32Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:50:32Joe Rogan?

  Commitment to the bit. Listen. Put something else on. Put a puppy.

• 2:50:37Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Puppy. Put a puppy face over that thing.

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  He uh, he was, it was at Comic Con and I saw him walking because he was dressed as Batman. Jaden was dressed as Batman. There was this like month in the press where he was walking around everywhere in a white Batman suit.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:50:52Speaker 02

  And I saw that white Batman suit. And I was like, that's Jaden and I had it. And so I ran up to him and I'm like, Jaden, you don't know me. I'm sorry, but I had to show you this. And I went to go low on my pants and his security guard grabbed me by the neck.

• 2:51:10Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's so funny.

• 2:51:13Speaker 02

  I was like, no, no. And then the other security guard goes, no, I know who he is. He's good. And I showed him it. And he was like, oh, my God, this is the first one I've ever seen like, you know? And then as I'm showing it, I like kind of look up and M. Night Shyamalan is staring at us because they did a movie together. They were there promoting a movie after Earth, I think it was called. Jaden Smith was in this like this alien movie or this like outer space movie that M. Night Shyamalan directed. And so I didn't realize because I I didn't look at him.

• 2:51:40Joe Rogan?

  What movie is that?

• 2:51:42Speaker 02

  So M. Night was just staring at me. Show him. He was 15 years old.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  After Earth.

• 2:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Danger is real, fear is a choice. I don't remember that.

• 2:51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so I just looked up, and I'm like, M. Night's looking at me, and I'm just like, oh, hey, man, he's like, hey.

• 2:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Will Smith's in it, too. That's right. Okay, now I remember it.

• 2:52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so then we shot the movie like four or five years later, and they made me go to a movie premiere with him. And afterwards, there was a Q and A of the cast, and they made me like wear daisy dukes, like short shorts, so that his thigh was showing. And I didn't know he was in on it. He called me up to the stage, and I had to act like I was wearing a shirt that said, "Number one Jaden fan." So I had to look like a crazy person. I'm like, I'm the number one Jaden fan. He called me on stage, and he goes, ah, man, that was when I was like 15. I don't even look like that anymore. You gotta update that.

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  And I was like, what? We left that stage, went right in that moment to a tattoo parlor, and he posed for the other thigh.

• 2:52:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:45Joe Rogan?

  That's commitment, dude. That's how you get to season 12.

• 2:52:47Speaker 02

  That's how you get it, yeah, yeah.

• 2:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations on that. That's awesome.

• 2:52:50Speaker 02

  Thank you, man.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  That's really kind of crazy. Like, I didn't realize it's been that long. But I remember when it was blowing up, everybody was talking about it back at the store. They were talking about how you guys are doing these shows on the road, and selling out places, and killing it.

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, 2011.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's crazy.

• 2:53:06Speaker 02

  We got like over 300 eps now.

• 2:53:08Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing, dude. Congratulations. It's really fucking awesome.

• 2:53:11Speaker 02

  Thank you, bud.

• 2:53:11Joe Rogan?

  That's a huge accomplishment. And it's got such an awesome following, too. I mean, you guys have a huge following.

• 2:53:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, the fans are great. The fans are great.

• 2:53:19Joe Rogan?

  And you're at Kill Tony tonight.

• 2:53:21Speaker 02

  I'm at Kill Tony tonight. I'm touring right now. I'm doing the Chicago Theater in November.

• 2:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a great place.

• 2:53:26Speaker 02

  The Beacon, the Rogan. I've like got like 50, 60 dates. It's on savalcantocomedy.com.

• 2:53:31Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:53:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  All right, brother. Good to see you, my man.

• 2:53:34Speaker 02

  It's good to come back, man. Thanks for having me.

• 2:53:35Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Thanks for being here. All right. Bye, everybody.

• 2:53:52Speaker 06

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