The Snack: Harry and Meghan, Lindsay Clancy Trial, and Love is Blind UK

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: The passing of Queen Dolly Parton Prince Harry and Meghan moving back to the UK Love is Blind UK (the budget, the drama, the doppelgangers) The Lindsay Clancy trial Natalie Harp’s love letters to Tr*mp Headlines: Dancing With the Stars’ iconic casting, Kacey Musgraves’ disco ballsack, Instagram’s new font, and Margaret Qualley’s free feet pics Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Hinge: Download their audiobook No Ordinary Love for free on Spotify. Rocket Money: Reach your financial goals faster at https://rocketmoney.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack, Natalie Harp, the Lindsay Clancy trial and Love is Blind UK.

• 0:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Enjoy.

• 0:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You hurt my feelings on the way in.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  You were pulling up to the studio. We're at Spotify, by the way, and

• 0:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  let's open positively.

• 0:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're here in this beautiful studio at Spotify. You guys can watch full video on Spotify. And if you remember, we recorded at another Spotify studio years ago when our studio flooded. And we are back here. This is incredible.

• 0:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Looking hotter.

• 0:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Looking better.

• 0:39Rayna Greenberg?

  So beautiful.

• 0:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  We are the studio.

• 0:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm at the studio, but yeah, us too.

• 0:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're in like Hollywood. The vibes are high.

• 0:47Rayna Greenberg?

  We made it.

• 0:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So anyway, always watch full video on Spotify. We really love seeing you guys in those comments and stuff. And it's been so great for us to have full video on there and really reach you guys in that way. So check it out there.

• 1:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Well, enjoy this episode, guys. And always watch the snack episodes for sure. They're just like full of fun assets. Anyways, back to what I was saying, for one time ever, I didn't drive you to the studio today. I was sitting outside and you were like, I can't wait to see you. And I was like, Raina, and I got so excited. I was like, she's gotten soft and I can't wait to see her. I said, I can't wait to see you. And you said, I was just joking.

• 1:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm being, I, Raina, do not, you are leaving out the second half of the text.

• 1:27Rayna Greenberg?

  What'd you say?

• 1:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I said, I can't wait to see you. It's been so long with like a laughing emoji and a clown emoji. It was a joke. Cause we literally see each other all the time. You didn't read the second half of the text?

• 1:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I just felt like you felt like clown emoji, like we've been apart for so long. The joke was in the second half.

• 1:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I didn't think it was a joke. I didn't think it was a joke that you were excited to see me.

• 1:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here's the thing.

• 1:49Rayna Greenberg?

  For believing that you're so excited.

• 1:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sorry.

• 1:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm excited to see you.

• 1:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like to make jokes.

• 1:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm excited to see you.

• 1:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was like, surely she's gonna know it was a joke. Cause I've never said, I can't wait to see you in our friendship.

• 2:01Rayna Greenberg?

  That's why I said you've gotten soft. Who did she become?

• 2:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  We don't hug and we don't say things like that. And so on the second half of the text was because it's been so long. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. We see each other all the time. We don't even have to miss each other. That was my point.

• 2:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Such a jump scare. I was like, who is she become in the one week since?

• 2:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't know me at all. You don't even get my jokes anymore.

• 2:20Rayna Greenberg?

  You play basketball now. Okay. Two dogs. You've become totally different.

• 2:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, the bigger revelation is I now have eight hair extensions moved up from six. I have, if you guys notice, I mean, doesn't my hair, this looks like my old hair used to look.

• 2:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it looks great.

• 2:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I got them, my K-tips swapped out and she was like, I have a few extra. Do you want to do eight? And I was like, watch out world. Eight instead of six? As long as we don't hit double digits.

• 2:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, you draw the line at nine. You're like, I will no go past it.

• 2:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was like, Haley, let's not get carried away, but let's do eight.

• 2:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Let's not be Raina about it. I'm, and I actually, I am speaking of hair extensions. I'm sorry, guys. I am putting them back in next week. It's not going to be like it was before. We're safe. We're just going right below shoulder length. So I think I'm going through like a shedding period and a bunch of them fell out. It's like, not because of her or anything. But a lot of them fell out, so I have to get them replaced anyways. I get them replaced every three to four months, but I'm going to go a little longer. I don't like the length right now. It's like this weird in between and I either want like really short. You guys are like, I'm so sick of hearing about Raina's hair. I just, I want to go a little longer than shoulder length. I'm not going to go back to the long trashy ones. I promise.

• 3:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  No one is sick of hearing about it. People want to discuss this, but they're in the comments saying, don't do armpit length.

• 3:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh.

• 3:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what you're about to do.

• 3:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Don't do armpit length.

• 3:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what you're about to do.

• 3:42Rayna Greenberg?

  What would you do? Like an inch longer than armpit length?

• 3:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I want to do what you're doing. I would keep it short.

• 3:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't like it. I feel like whose son is this? Every time I look in the mirror.

• 3:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which, well, I was a little boy. Am I looking out in the mirror?

• 3:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Body of your choice.

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, thank you so much. But this is my actual length.

• 3:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, your hair is that long.

• 3:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. She was like, Ashley, these are 18s. We might need 22s. Are we talking about rims here? Like, what are we talking about? But no, this is, I just have the 8K tips and furfulness, but I feel like this is what my hair used to look like. I feel like we're back. All I needed was eight extra strands. So shout out to Haley. We did, I'm feeling great about it.

• 4:17Rayna Greenberg?

  It looks, you look very confident.

• 4:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, you look great. In my army pants and flip flops.

• 4:21Rayna Greenberg?

  We have an event later. Are you wearing this to the event?

• 4:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I brought other pants.

• 4:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 4:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina's trying to find an end to make fun of me today. I could feel.

• 4:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Cause you hurt my feelings.

• 4:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I literally made a joke.

• 4:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm so excited to see you.

• 4:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  My point is we haven't even really.

• 4:34Rayna Greenberg?

  We make fun of each other all the time. And it's my favorite dynamic with all my friends. We talk about it all the time. It's just like, that's my love language is being made fun of. And if anybody's ever like Raina's friends make fun of her, that's what I like. That's what I'm shooting for.

• 4:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Insult to you. And here's the tea. I'm Raina's nicest friend.

• 4:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of her, of her top five. Raina has a, the meanest. Starting five.

• 4:55Rayna Greenberg?

  No one lets me get away with anything.

• 4:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then one more update on Zizou. So my foster dog, I just wanted to let you guys know, he is still with us. We, he's extended his stay. We actually had asked if we could keep him through last weekend and then they asked if we could keep him through the week. And so we are going to pass him off to another foster this Sunday, because we're about to go out of town. I'm about to go out of town. Or we would keep him for as, for longer, or if he gets adopted before then. So he's still up for adoption and he's such a sweet angel. And I just have like fallen in love with this dog. He's so, so special. And I know you guys are like, you're a notorious foster failure, but we're not going to adopt him. And I've talked about this. I did a whole Instagram reel about it. And so he is still up for adoption. I just can't recommend him enough as we record this. Who's to say?

• 5:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  But check him out, Zizou. I'm going to put his link in the show notes again, because I just love him so much.

• 5:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Am I going to meet him? I got, we got to like schedule time for me to meet him.

• 5:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. You gotta come over and meet him.

• 5:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm going to meet him on Wednesday before dinner. As of this coming out, it was yesterday.

• 5:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wash the space.

• 5:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, we're going to thank our partners and get right into it. Thank you to Hinge. Download their audiobook, No Ordinary Love. Stories of real couples who took risks for free on Spotify.

• 6:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Rocket Money. Reach here. Financial goals faster at rocketmoney.com/gge. And this isn't our report, but we found this out just before we started recording that Dolly Parton has passed away. Just unbelievable, heartbreaking, just a legend, an icon, did so much good in the world. And was just such a beacon of light and hope and the wrong 80 year old.

• 6:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, can't say it loud enough. How did this happen? We got the wrong one.

• 6:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  When you get that notification and it's someone that is just, just so upsetting to lose. Like there's these people that we've had around for our whole lifetimes, our parents' lifetimes, our grand, I remember my grandparents talking about Dolly Parton.

• 6:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Crush. What a delight.

• 6:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it really felt like a unifier in terms of both sides of whatever political, like everybody loves Dolly Parton. And she just really used her fame and her platform for good and really made such an impact on the world and lived a long, beautiful life. And so we just wanted to honor her today. And that was a blow to hear before we hit record. So I feel like very sad, but we're going to get it up and RIP to Dolly.

• 7:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, we're going to get into our report today, which is the UK report. Lots, lots of things coming out of the UK and something that's going back to the UK. Thankfully Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will be moving back to the UK, at least for a little while. Their children are enrolled in school for the fall. The grift is real with these two. You know, they came to America. They milked all that they could with the, we hate the UK and the royal family. And they did all the interviews and the books and all the things. And they're like, we're just going to go back now. They went on a worldwide tour about how much they hate the royal family and now they're back.

• 7:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was wondering what you would think about this.

• 7:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I get not wanting to live here.

• 7:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sure.

• 7:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Can't eat the food.

• 7:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sure.

• 7:52Rayna Greenberg?

  President's a pedophile.

• 7:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 7:54Rayna Greenberg?

  We have concentration camps. I mean, just to name a few things, like, do you feel like when they recall the blueberries, they were like, we gotta go. It was the eggs. It was the bread. It was the blueberries. They were like, we have no food left. Meghan can't.

• 8:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  She can't host her show.

• 8:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Homestead for everything.

• 8:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  What's she going to make on Netflix now?

• 8:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Make fruit from scratch.

• 8:10Rayna Greenberg?

  So I think, I feel like it was the blueberries is what did it. No, I.

• 8:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  They could have gone anywhere else though.

• 8:14Rayna Greenberg?

  You think they're like grifters? Like, I mean, listen, I don't really support a lot of things about the royal family and I understand them wanting to leave. So I am not a royal family stan. I don't know all the ins and outs. Of course, I know they came here. She did the Oprah interview. He wrote his tell all book. They severed those ties.

• 8:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  They got all that money and they're like, we're, we're back. We back.

• 8:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know what your take would be. I mean, people move away and then they go back to their homeland all the time.

• 8:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. They don't write books about it and do interviews about how terrible they are. I'm with you. I don't really care one way or the other about the royal family. I find it interesting. I've always found this interesting about them, that they were like, we don't want the fame. We don't want the attention.

• 8:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I agree with you there.

• 8:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're going to do all the books and interviews about the fame and get all the attention. And now we're back. And listen, I understand that like people have problems with their families and there's nothing.

• 9:02Rayna Greenberg?

  No one understands.

• 9:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  To just like family drama.

• 9:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Listen, I understand. I get it, Harry. I get it.

• 9:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I understand having problems with your mom, okay? I understand, like, it is just easier, like, when we all can get along, but I did not write a tell-all book about my mom yet. And then try to, and then try to mend my relationship with her, like, we back, eh?

• 9:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think they're trying to go back and get back in with the family. Or are they just trying to live back there because it sucks here? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like, I would go too.

• 9:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I think they should go to Australia. That's my vote.

• 9:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So this is like the one thing that obviously I think is a known fact is that for the past several years, Harry has argued that his family could not return to Britain because they wouldn't provide security for them. Did you know this? So because of his status as a non-working royal, and there's been lawsuits that Harry contended he was being denied the protection illegally. The courts ruled against him as recently as last year, but in December, reports emerged that the question of his security was once again under review. It is unclear whether that issue has been resolved and whether it played a role in the decision to move back. So I don't know if people know as of now, as we record, is whether he's going to have security. Maybe he will, and maybe that played into their decision and then.

• 10:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, my question for you is though, he, so the dispute is whether, what, the royal family should pay for security? Or he should pay for it with the money he also took from the royal family because he's part of the royal family?

• 10:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  You like these people?

• 10:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I really do have a real problem with these people.

• 10:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, I just think it's all really toxic. Like, I feel like I'd want to leave the royal family too, but.

• 10:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 10:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  To your point, yeah, they came here and really took advantage of our capitalism, but you know, good for them. And it's unclear what they are going to do professionally and that the security detail is unclear, pun intended as well. But people are saying she's going back to acting. Times are tough.

• 10:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I heard it was for an acting role. She's like, I sucked up all the money I could suck up into you.

• 10:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think people would want to see her back act. People love Suits.

• 11:00Rayna Greenberg?

  People would lose their minds if she acted in something.

• 11:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 11:04Rayna Greenberg?

  How crazy, what, is she a, she's a duchess, right? It's not a princess, duchess?

• 11:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that sounds right.

• 11:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, never in like the history of time has this ever happened. A duchess is just like, I'm going to act in a movie? That would be crazy.

• 11:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Suits reboot.

• 11:18Rayna Greenberg?

  UK edition.

• 11:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Suits UK.

• 11:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Suits.

• 11:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then I read one headline that said the Montecito neighbors are like good riddens.

• 11:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm sure.

• 11:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  They could also just be haters like you, but they, maybe they're bad neighbors.

• 11:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I think Montecito is like a small, beautiful community. I mean, it's obviously filled with extremely famous people. Oprah lives there. But it's a lot of attention and paparazzi and security and all these things. It's just a lot of hullabaloo for some people. Is that a word?

• 11:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  It is. Yeah.

• 11:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 11:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  What was it on Oprah? Were you silent or were you silenced? I'll never forget where I was.

• 11:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think she's going to do a tell-all about how terrible that interview was? That's her next tell-all.

• 11:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  We need that reboot too. Okay, and then we have Love is Blind UK. So for some reason I was not realizing this, the season three of Love is Blind UK. Of course, I've watched every season of the show. It's my favorite reality show, but I was like, we, we are third season of UK? I prefer the UK.

• 12:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we've been, I've been dying. Every time they put out a UK season, I'm so excited.

• 12:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  So as of now, as this episode airs, there will have been new episodes last night, whether you guys have watched or not, that will be the weddings. But Netflix did something different with the season where they dropped eight episodes, everything up until the weddings that you could binge. And I did it all in a weekend. And I just have a few thoughts and then we're going to do the doppelgangers. We're going to do the look-alikes, but everyone is so hot.

• 12:39Rayna Greenberg?

  It's obscene.

• 12:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, at this point, the US version is the Timu version. Like, at this point, the UK version is the top and we look like the less hot version, the US city.

• 12:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, I can't believe like the, the talent that they are getting out of the, it's not that I didn't think people in the UK were hot. Of course, we think you guys are hot, but like, these are the hottest people I've ever seen.

• 12:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  But here's my feeling on this. I find it interesting that the show is all of the UK. That's four countries. That's 70 million people to choose from. They can find the hottest of the hot. And I find it interesting that they do that because obviously Love is Blind US is one city. A city of four, five, six million people in a metro area, Atlanta, Seattle, whatever it may be. The UK cast always has these long distance issues. They sometimes live in different countries. Remember?

• 13:29Rayna Greenberg?

  A lot of the times, they live in different countries.

• 13:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  England and Ireland. So I just find it really interesting that it's, it's funny like that. And I, I thought I saw something that they're doing in Canada.

• 13:37Rayna Greenberg?

  All of Canada?

• 13:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  All of Canada. Remember they did all of Ohio, but it's like, you could drive somewhere.

• 13:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, that's right. When they did a state, it was Ohio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it is so weird because like they have to live in London for the taping when they live together. And I think it's like 30 days, plus you add on like two weeks of like pods and honeymoon and stuff. And I'm like, how are these people working?

• 13:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  That motivational speaker gets to work. I guess he, I guess he had some speaking engagements booked and he's the only one that gets to go to work.

• 14:05Rayna Greenberg?

  There's this guy on the show, he's a motivational speaker, and when he comes back from motivational speaking, he can't be spoken to for days. He's, he's like, it's just such an energy drain and I need to like recharge for like two, talking to all these people. I've watched, he talked to 150 people.

• 14:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  100%.

• 14:22Rayna Greenberg?

  You and I get offstage and manage to engage with other people. We're not so drained. It's actually the opposite. It like revs me up. I need like a drink to go to sleep.

• 14:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  It looks like he went to talk at like some office.

• 14:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 14:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was like the lunchtime learning speaker.

• 14:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, like a convention with like hundreds of speakers and he's just like, this drains me too much to talk to my partner.

• 14:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And while this is happening, all he's doing is just sitting there scrolling. Like, he just doesn't want to talk to her and he's like, I'm just really drained from my motivational speaking in front of 100 people. Okay, so you mentioned them living in London. Raina, the budgets, these high-rise luxury apartments they're in, honeymooning in Ibiza? Like, the budget is high for the UK.

• 15:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Last season in the US, there was what, six couples and they couldn't afford a hotel room for this sixth couple?

• 15:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Had to go to Malibu.

• 15:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Down the street. Like, but you know, I think about this all the time. They still had to like buy flights for this couple, but they were like, we just won't spring for a hotel.

• 15:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're not, they're not going international. They're going to Malibu. These apartments, I do remember, for some reason I have this image in my head of Shane and Natalie in a really beautiful apartment.

• 15:30Rayna Greenberg?

  In Chicago. Yeah, they were nice.

• 15:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they have gotten progressively nicer when they were in Atlanta. Those apartments were on the street I used to live. They were like, nice. Like, every year it gets better. The wedding venues get better, the honeymoons get better, but this is the top, I feel like in terms of going to Ibiza for the honeymoon and these high-rise luxury apartments in the middle of London.

• 15:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, you know what they refuse to pivot on though is it's always a queen-sized bed. And I'm like, how are these people in a queen-sized bed? They're always tall. The whole UK, they're so tall.

• 15:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Joseph? Joseph's the size of a queen bed. How are you?

• 16:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Joseph's shoulders are as broad as a queen bed. Give love a shot by giving these people a bed that is appropriate.

• 16:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe they're doing that to like, see if they can survive it. It's just to get things a little zesty.

• 16:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm going to sleep in a queen-sized bed tonight for the first time with another person. It's so long. And I don't know how I used to do this.

• 16:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we are going to, on this trip in Boston in a few weeks, and there is a hotel in Boston that is supposed to be one of the best hotels in the world. It was in this Travel and Leisure magazine I just bought in the airport as like one of the best hotels.

• 16:32Rayna Greenberg?

  The Boston Harbor Hotel?

• 16:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it's this other one. It's in Beacon Hill, I believe. I forget what it's called. I was looking and most of the rooms are queen beds. It is an old boutique hotel, but it was like, the queen bedrooms are actually pretty affordable for being one of the best hotels in the world. And I was like, of course I want to stay here. Like, I've read about it in magazines. And then once you jumped up to the one queen room they had available, it was like, I'm not paying that, but queens.

• 16:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I mean, you guys are so tall. I mean, I can, I'm fine, I guess, in a queen-sized bed. I'm, I'm very short, but the person I'm sleeping with isn't. And I don't, you gotta like give people a real chance at love. Let them sleep through the night.

• 17:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Last night, we were out with Chad, Kate and Chad, Kate Steinberg and Chad Savage, talking about the dogs in the bed. They have a bunch of pets. They're in the bed. Now we have two dogs in our bed. And we were talking about needing a bigger bed. And I was like, you know, you guys have two dogs in the bed every night? Do you have a California king? He was like, have you heard of an Alaska king?

• 17:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it's like 12 feet wide and nine feet long. I have to have it.

• 17:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 17:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  We'll keep Zizu if we can get an Alaska king.

• 17:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, any other thoughts about UK?

• 17:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jack, I was like, these are all the red flags in one person. I don't know if I've ever seen so much of honestly, like a caricature of a fuckboy on TV in a while. And I told you, he is a test for women, if you like him or not, if you're attracted to him or not, or if he totally gives you the ick to see if you've graduated from fuckboys. Here's my feeling on Jack. He can't pull off Harry Jowsey. He is wannabe Harry Jowsey, Timu Harry Jowsey. But I will say, Harry Jowsey on Two Out to Handle, season one, I wasn't into. He was too young acting. He was like a kid.

• 18:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 18:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jack is like a kid to me. I don't think I would ever come around and find him attractive like I do with Harry now. I don't really love his look. I don't love the stash. I don't love his vibe. He says he's a chef. I think he probably works at like Wagamama on the line. Like, I don't believe he's a chef. Now he's trying to find a job in sales. That man is not a chef, Raina, and no offense to everybody that works at Wagamama. But like, I told you, he, you were like, he's a hot, tall chef.

• 18:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Funny you busted out Wagamama.

• 18:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's a UK chain. Am I going to see works? I know that man works at a chain restaurant in the UK. I know he's not a chef. He's a cook.

• 18:45Rayna Greenberg?

  He's super tall, like neck to toes, tattoos, mustache, buzzed head. I mean, he is a problem. But hear me out because I was really attracted to him, obviously. There's been a couple of seasons of Love is Blind with these guys that come in and they're so charming. And you're like, they're going to be these like total fuckboys. And then they fall so in love for a girl and they do change it. And here's my two examples. Barnett, season one.

• 19:11Rayna Greenberg?

  The fact that he was like the Rob.

• 19:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's my problem with the South. The fact that Barnett came in Barnett this Barnett that everybody was.

• 19:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Barnett and he was, he's so charming. And then he did just like pick a woman. I mean, there, other than Cameron and Lauren, they're the longest lasting couple of Love is Blind, period. And then also Kieran last season, Kieran and Meghan from the UK. He was also so charming. I've never been in love before. I've never had a serious girlfriend. And then he like, is so in love with Meghan. They are so cute together. And I thought like, maybe this guy just needed to find like a solid, real woman. Listen, I'm not of the ilk of like, I can change him, but like,

• 19:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sounds like you are.

• 19:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Sometimes you see guys like this.

• 19:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's the road you're going down. It was ever gonna be for him. And have you watched all episodes?

• 19:57Rayna Greenberg?

  I have one episode left, but I do know about him. Well, I know, I know the stuff I've watched.

• 20:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like leaving in the morning and turning off his location. And then she got her parents involved. When you bring your parents involved to interrogate a man, I love nothing more. I love Faye's parents. And also like, this conversation, we'll try not to go too lengthy on it, famous last words when we talk about Love is Blind. But this is for, if you've watched it, you know, you know, we're not going to run through all of it. And of course, spoilers, if you don't want to listen, we're going to talk about so this happens. But I love Faye's parents. And she brings them in. And the way that his mom is like, you turned off your location. And I know you did. And he really has no rebuttal. I don't think he wants to lie face to face to her mom. And I'm curious what you thought he was doing.

• 20:32Rayna Greenberg?

  So thank you. So basically, um, what they go out, they're partying at their apartment, and then they're gonna meet her family the next day. And he basically leaves and his excuse is that like, he just panicked because of that. He turns off his location. So if you guys go on TikTok, I was just watching some TikToks about this this morning. There's a bunch of people who live in the neighborhood. He said he was walking around in every one of them. All the TikToks were like, you weren't walking around in that neighborhood at that hour. No, you were not. There's nowhere to go. There's nothing to do. You are just looking for trouble. There's like four or five TikToks I was watching this morning from people that are like, I live here and no one's walking around in this neighborhood at night. Like, that's not a thing. Like, if you're there, you're inside someone's apartment, you're not supposed to be in.

• 21:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like when the mom goes, he was in slides? Weird. We laughed out loud. We were wound up to watch it.

• 21:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I love a smoking gun. A woman that finds a smoking gun like that's like, you weren't walking around in those.

• 21:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  He gets up at like five, six in the morning. He makes the bed. He turns his location off and he goes out and walks around for a couple hours. I mean, I guess he could have went and met up with the girl. I think he maybe went and got drugs. What else would it be? He didn't go because he needed to get off the grid, which is what he tells her.

• 21:30Rayna Greenberg?

  It is. I mean, like, who is booty calling at, what time do you leave? Five in the morning?

• 21:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like five or six in the morning. Like, he came home, that he slept on the couch. It's just a mess.

• 21:38Rayna Greenberg?

  He should have just said he went to the gym. Like, this makes actually no sense.

• 21:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I went to the gym. Yeah.

• 21:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Six in the morning?

• 21:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  But she'd still be like, why'd you turn your location off? You can't lie about that shit. Your location just doesn't magically turn itself off.

• 21:49Rayna Greenberg?

  That one time, Shashank was trying to sneak to LA. And he was like, I turned my location off. And I was like, why'd you do that? And he was like, she knows where I am. And we were like, I don't, she's gonna know.

• 21:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, the thing that he did wrong was he told me that he, he was like, oh, weird, my location turned off. I would, maybe wouldn't have even noticed.

• 22:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel like I noticed.

• 22:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I probably would have.

• 22:07Rayna Greenberg?

  But yeah, I don't know why he didn't just say he was going to the gym. And also, like, it is perfectly normal to be like, I just met you. And I did just need like a minute, you know? I don't need you to like, know where I am every second. I know, maybe that's not healthy. We'll work on that. But like, I was at the gym. Just make a good lie up.

• 22:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. You know, I love the show. It's my favorite reality show of all time. But it's such a joke. These people know each other for three weeks and they like, really think they're gonna get married. It's very funny to me. Sophie and Taylor, is that his name?

• 22:33Rayna Greenberg?

  She's the really pretty one that looks like she's designed in AI.

• 22:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  They are one of the strongest couples I've seen on the show. Like, I'm not even clocking them because I'm like, they're dialed in. I have nothing else to say. No surprises. They're gonna get married.

• 22:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course.

• 22:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kiara.

• 22:44Rayna Greenberg?

  So she is like the most controversial figure of this season. I'm very curious what you're gonna think about her. Because she was gonna also maybe end up with Jack. And there, there's this like, who ended it first kind of thing. She's like, I did. He's like, I did. They're going back and forth. It's just like a little toxic. She's kind of creating drama with the other girls. And you're like, I'm not sure if she's trying to be a girl's girl or not. Some people want to see, is a Blair Waldorf line, like, um, some people want to see the good in people, and I want to see the truth. I think that she's just a pot stir. I think she's just like, I'm gonna get screen time. I'm gonna just like, stir the pot.

• 23:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly what I said. I was like, she's just stirring the pot. She's fascinating as a type of woman. That is like, I want a man who will pay for everything. And I'm gonna lead with the fact that I have a $300 minimum spend on a first date, that men have spent up to 15,000 for me on a date. I'm gonna lead with that. You need to pay for everything. You need to bring me coffee and bed in the morning. And what I will be doing is teaching Pilates, part time, I assume, and using all the money that I make to buy things for myself, on top of the things I expect you to pay for me. I find it fascinating. Like, just in, what do you actually think you're bringing to the table? Like, just being hot? Maybe you are really supportive. Maybe you do stuff around the house. But like, I always think that's so crazy of like, I will not be paying for anything. And I also need

• 23:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  you to be my butler.

• 24:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It makes me uncomfortable. I don't have friends like this. If that's the kind of relationships y'all want to be in, good for you. I, that's fine. It's not how I would treat another person. My partner does not serve me. The way that she says, like, you will make me a coffee, you'll bring it for me, you want to speak to me until I finish this coffee. Like, and I do think that there's a lot of relationship dynamics where one person pays for everything. And the other person is like, yeah, I'm gonna cook all the meals. I'm gonna clean. I'm gonna make the plans. Like, that's fine. I'm gonna have the children.

• 24:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  When you have kids, kids is a whole different world.

• 24:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's a whole different thing.

• 24:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're not even close to that. They just met.

• 24:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I really hate this whole attitude of like, I will not be paying for anything. No one owes you money.

• 24:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it's, it seems like she's coming around. I mean, what she did for AJ for the Diwali celebration was so beautiful to see. It seems like maybe she's changing in this relationship. I don't really see them getting married. Um, it's, she's a fascinating watch. And I am obsessed with our conversations about money. Obsessed. I, that dynamic, really watching it play out. Like, I am just like rubbing my palms together when it comes up because he is, doesn't have a lot of money right now. Like, he's becoming a Pilates instructor himself.

• 25:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  What? I was like, wait, where's he going with this? When he was like, I used to be an athlete. He was like, I used to be an athlete, then I worked in banking, and now I'm gonna teach Pilates.

• 25:17Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I thought he said I'm gonna open up some gyms.

• 25:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we will fact check this. I swear, I thought he was getting his certification to teach Pilates.

• 25:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, it's funny that Mrs. Like, I will not be paying for anything was between a line cook at Wagamama and a Pilates instructor.

• 25:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  She picked the brokeest guys on the show.

• 25:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God. I just, I can't stress enough. There is nothing wrong with being a line cook at Wagamama. I mean, that's how you get your start. But you can't call yourself a chef. Any more thoughts before I do my doppelgangers? No, I'm excited to just, uh, finish the season. I like to do the predictions. But I think the only couple that's gonna get married.

• 26:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sophie.

• 26:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Is that?

• 26:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe Joseph and Francesca, maybe?

• 26:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I, Joseph and Francesca, I think that they are gonna say no, but stay together. I think that they're a really solid match. I think that they should date because it's not normal to marry a person you met 20 minutes ago.

• 26:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like a clown show. Okay. So Kiara, I see Cara Delevingne.

• 26:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Little bit of Lily Collins, but Cara Delevingne.

• 26:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Nailed it.

• 26:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cuba, I think is so beautiful.

• 26:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 26:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Tree hugger Cuba. You guys might not know this actress by name, but they are twins. And if you want to look her up, Dasha Polanco. So she was on Orange is the New Black. They are twins. They have the same face.

• 26:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God. That is crazy.

• 26:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  In early Beyonce.

• 26:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because of the hair. And there's this moment where Francesca and Cuba and Yasmin were like, do we look like Destiny's Child? And I laughed out loud. I thought it was the funniest, cutest thing to say. And they did. They were giving Destiny's Child. I thought it was so cute. Okay. Joseph is like, not human. Like, that's, that's.

• 27:06Rayna Greenberg?

  He does look like Bilbo Baggins. He does.

• 27:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  What is that?

• 27:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, Joseph is, wait, which one is he?

• 27:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  The huge.

• 27:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, sorry.

• 27:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Black man.

• 27:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Sophie's, Sophie's man, we'll get back to him. He looks like Mark from season one, mixed with the Hobbit.

• 27:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, is Taylor, is that his name? Because I said Peter Dinklage.

• 27:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Look, they're a hot couple. He is, he has the most tattoos. He's got, that was a requirement on this season was like, two full sleeves of tattoos. You don't see his full tattoo in the pods. And then they're in bed. And I thought it was AI. It's a full lion. He is a, like, a zoo on his upper body. It looks wild. Okay. Joseph, no, Joseph is like a Marvel superhero. Like, Joseph is.

• 27:45Rayna Greenberg?

  He's startlingly handsome.

• 27:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Michael Clarke Duncan from, from The Green Mile. Like, that's the energy. He's just so, so huge.

• 27:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 27:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's such a presence. Like, yeah, he's a smoke. Sophie, she's like every LA influencer. It was hard for me to place. She could be the long lost triplet to Acquired Style and her sister.

• 28:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Great call.

• 28:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Also Margot Robbie. I gotta give her a little Margot Robbie. And she's stunningly beautiful.

• 28:08Rayna Greenberg?

  As somebody who had lunch next to Margot Robbie the other day.

• 28:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  You've seen her in person. Okay. Jack, I don't know. I mean, he's given Mac Miller a little bit. No offense to Mac, RIP. Angus Cloud, just.

• 28:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Angus Cloud, yes.

• 28:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, he's, that's his vibe was those two who have both passed, which is like a weird thing. Here are my faves. Faye, Stephanie Pratt.

• 28:28Rayna Greenberg?

  It's crazy.

• 28:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stephanie fucking Pratt.

• 28:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you collab with Shashank on these or is this all you, baby?

• 28:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, these are all me, except Stephanie Pratt. It's Anushka.

• 28:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, Anushka, because I was gonna be like, if Shashank came up with Stephanie Pratt.

• 28:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  These are all me.

• 28:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Was he even alive?

• 28:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I lied again. I lied again. Shashank came up with Dasha Polanco. I didn't know who that was. Okay, so the best ones were not me and all the other ones are. Jordan, I actually think Jordan's the hottest guy.

• 28:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, he's very sexy.

• 28:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, Jordan is Alfie in Emily in Paris. He looks so much like him. If you guys watch that show, his name's Lucien Lavacount, his name, I don't know how to pronounce it, but I really think he's really good looking.

• 29:06Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, I pick up what you're putting down.

• 29:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Francesca, this was the first one I clocked immediately is Issa Rae.

• 29:12Rayna Greenberg?

  When she smiles, it is Issa Rae.

• 29:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just call her Issa Rae. So those are your Love is Blind UK, Season Three, Doppelgangers.

• 29:20Rayna Greenberg?

  You nailed it. These might be my favorite. This might be my favorite craft.

• 29:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's, they came to me, except for those two. Before we move on, I just want to say one show. I'm watching Furious on Hulu. This is one of the best shows I've seen and I've told you about it. I don't think you've watched it as of right now.

• 29:35Rayna Greenberg?

  About female serial killers, right?

• 29:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but it's like an Epstein revenge fantasy.

• 29:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh.

• 29:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Emmy Rossum plays the FBI detective and the subject matter is dark, of course. Like, we're talking about child trafficking and child pornography, but it's just so well done. I mean, the acting from Emmy Rossum and like the whole cast is just unbelievable. It's dark, but I don't, they don't show anything that's too graphic. There's one scene in the most recent episode that was like hard to digest, but it truly is like based, inspired on like Epstein and all the people that were involved. And then this woman who was trafficked at a young age is killing these men. And the FBI and the cops are involved and seeing the dynamic between them.

• 30:21Rayna Greenberg?

  This is amazing.

• 30:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really such a well-done show and the finale will be this Sunday. I'm like losing my fucking mind over it. I have to see what happens. And the song they use essentially is like the hype song for this killer.

• 30:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 30:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is We Found Love by Rihanna, our unofficial wedding song. They play it. It's crazy. She's getting all hyped up.

• 30:42Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm so excited. And also, did you, um, did you love Shameless? I love Emmy Rossum.

• 30:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I didn't watch Shameless.

• 30:48Rayna Greenberg?

  You did it. Okay.

• 30:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, not because of any, I don't know, I just never started it, never got into it. I really want to. She's incredible.

• 30:54Rayna Greenberg?

  So Shameless is like one of my favorite shows of all time and it's similar to The Sopranos in which they have like 12 different characters and they all have storylines that are done really well. And I just, if you guys want a show to watch, Shameless is great. I love Emmy Rossum. She's great.

• 31:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You gotta watch the show.

• 31:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, no, it's my next watch.

• 31:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, so good. And it just makes you angry that like, this is real life. Like this is powerful men, including the fucking president, are doing the most unspeakable things.

• 31:18Rayna Greenberg?

  So it's real life. Okay. Yeah.

• 31:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Again, they toe the line and I think it's like one of those shows like, you know, you might need like a palate cleanser after, but it's just so well done. And so the fucking finale.

• 31:27Rayna Greenberg?

  When's the finale?

• 31:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sunday.

• 31:29Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, I like watching finales with you and Shashank.

• 31:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have to watch this whole show. I'm not letting you get off the hook.

• 31:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm gonna watch the whole show, but I was gonna be like, could I?

• 31:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  You are very busy. Raina's in town to.

• 31:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Have sex.

• 31:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, Ashley. I am her second priority.

• 31:44Rayna Greenberg?

  No, actually, I booked this trip before I knew he was gonna be here.

• 31:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Okay. Well, let's just talk about our partners and then we will get back into it.

• 31:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, I'm telling you guys about Hinge, which truly has always just been our favorite dating app. It is the dating app designed to be deleted and it is really what Ashley and I have used so much. And I love their profiles and the ease of use, but I think that in general, the thing that is most stressful is like sliding into somebody's messages. What am I gonna say? How am I gonna like take a risk? And so Hinge has put out this audiobook. It's called No Ordinary Love and it's stories of like real couples who took a risk. It's written and read by five incredible like contemporary artists. And the stories are just meant to like encourage you to like do the thing, say the thing, like say it out loud, even though it's scary. And I think that's really important. I think the gray area in dating is so scary for people.

• 32:33Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just like, I don't know how they're gonna react to this. And this is just designed to like encourage you to say the thing. And I love what they're doing. I think it's really like, it's an interesting pivot to be like, we're just gonna tell couples stories. And really just like to encourage you to be brave and be honest and, you know, take risks in your own dating life. So you guys can get the audiobook for free on Spotify where we are right now, um, and check it out.

• 32:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  You asked me the other day, when I went on all these, those dates in New York and you were like citing all the guys. You were like Airbnb guy, fireman guy, like all these things, like, were they all Hinge? It was like every last one of them. I went on a, like, one hand, I can count it, dates I went on with any other apps. It was like all Hinge when I was like dating in New York. Okay, so I'm telling you guys about Rocket Money. This is a great way to get your finances in order. And of course, cancel subscriptions that you are paying for and not using.

• 33:20Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys always ask us about like budgeting tips and how do I figure out like what my finances are? And like, if you're looking for one tangible thing to do, download the Rocket Money app. The interface is so easy to use and they'll help you to figure out like what's in your savings account, your checking account. What subscriptions do I have? And like, if you're like, it's summertime. I wonder what I can afford. And like, I wanted to wardrobe vacation. Like, this is gonna be the best thing that you can do.

• 33:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And different people will tell you like cut back on like getting lattes and this and that. It's like, no, get your latte and stop paying for some subscription that you're not using. So getting the app and they do so much more than the subscriptions, but that's a great place to start. But they also, they're gonna cancel the unwanted ones with a few taps, giving you an easy way to stop paying for things you don't use. But they are also gonna help you set budgets and goals, get personalized insights and regular reports, and receive real-time alerts for large transactions, upcoming bills, refunds and low balances. We cannot stress enough, every single financial expert we've had on the show says automate, automate. Just have these things set and you just don't have to think about them, set it and forget it. And so they're gonna help you with that, consolidate your checking, savings, loans, investments into a single dashboard to give you a clear view of your financial picture. We love the app. It's really easy to use.

• 34:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it really can help you get your finances in order. So Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending and helps lower your bills. You can grow your savings. Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at rocketmoney.com slash GGE. That's rocketmoney.com slash GGE. Rocketmoney.com slash GGE.

• 34:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, we're not gonna go too hard on the Lindsay Clancy trial, but of course is just like inundated on my feed. So if you're not familiar, Lindsay Clancy is on trial. She's facing three counts of first degree murder for taking the lives of her children and then attempting to take her own life. And this trial, aside from the fact that it's just unbelievably horrifying and, you know, similar to the Andrea Yates trial from what, 2000, what is really being debated is whether she was under a state of psychosis or not. She will spend her life in jail no matter what. It's, she's not, it's not debatable whether she did this or not, but.

• 35:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's not gonna spend her life, like, it's kind of whether or not she's gonna end up in a mental facility or.

• 35:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Sure, but forever. Yeah?

• 35:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not necessarily.

• 35:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So, yeah, the debate is whether she was in a state of postpartum psychosis when she did this. So did she premeditate this? Was she of sound mind enough? I mean, obviously, nobody is of sound mind that would do this at all, period. But was she under a state of psychosis? And the trial is just sort of like, did she premeditate this? She took her child to a pediatrician appointment in the morning. She sent her husband on an errand. She clocked how long that would take, so on and so forth. So that's what's being debated. And also, you know, was this a failure of the medical system to help women who are suffering from postpartum?

• 35:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I have not watched this entire trial every day. People are watching every single moment of this. They are the people, aside from people in the courtroom, people who are really, have seen every moment of this trial are the ones that are gonna be more authorized to speak on this than I haven't, but I've read a ton. I mean, I think there are a few things that are clear. This woman was begging for help and was failed by our healthcare system and her own husband. And it's tragic. And if she hadn't have been failed by the system and the people around her, namely her husband, the kids would be alive today. I do believe that. I don't believe for one second it was premeditated. I fully believe it, she was in psychosis. Her mother-in-law has testified in support of her. No one, they can't find one person to say a bad thing about this woman.

• 36:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  They've dove into her whole life. There's a lot of weird things about this trial. But I've been in so many comment threads on this. I am obsessed with what people think. And a lot of people think there are a lot of inconsistencies and a lot of suspicious things with how it all went down. And I was in this one comment thread that someone was just like, for people who are watching the trial and you were on the jury, what would you say? And overwhelmingly, everyone said she would be not guilty as the prosecution has not provided beyond a reasonable doubt that she, she did this. And there are so many inconsistencies and unanswered questions.

• 37:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, whether she did it at all?

• 37:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just that she's not guilty.

• 37:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Of premeditation. This is a person who I agree, it was, it was heavily documented. It's not debatable whether she reached out for help. She was medicated. She was trying to seek therapy. Her husband, she said to her husband multiple times, I'm, I'm afraid I'm going to harm the children.

• 37:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  She has allegedly admitted this to like a psychiatric nurse and her, and her husband said that they're actually, her team is not saying she didn't, but they're not saying she did. I've dove so deep into this because I'm like, was there an admission of guilt? And it's really murky. And I have like two takes I wanted to read that I just found really interesting. There's a kind of opposing viewpoints, but

• 37:47Rayna Greenberg?

  But let me ask you before you read this.

• 37:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 37:48Rayna Greenberg?

  So you are saying he could have done it.

• 37:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying people think that.

• 37:55Rayna Greenberg?

  People think that, yeah.

• 37:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not just a few.

• 37:58Rayna Greenberg?

  No, it's, it's a, it's a heavily debated.

• 38:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't want to go down this road.

• 38:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's heavily debated whether he was involved or not, but I thought that it was not debatable whether she did this or not.

• 38:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's not on trial for this, like, but they cleared him a little early to be the father of these children. So anyway, these are just two opposing viewpoints I want to read. You guys make your own decisions, but this says that the Clancy case is not an episode of Law and Order. The tragedy happened over three years ago. Lindsay's defense team has had the entire time to look into all the clues. The internet thinks will exonerate her and chose to acknowledge she committed the acts and pursue the defense of not criminally responsible, AKA the insanity defense. This should tell you something. There is no bombshell. Patrick won't be implicated or arrested in the closing arguments. What happened isn't entertainment. I see that side of it. I don't want to think that like Tik Tok can do better than

• 38:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Our legal system.

• 38:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, but then on the other side of it, there are people who are like, I understand this is real life. Like this isn't legally blonde, but it doesn't add up. And I just wanted to read this. The prosecution in the Lindsay Clancy case is asking jurors and the public to believe an awful lot. Patrick Clancy was the only one unharmed, yet he had nothing to do with it. Lindsay meticulously planned the murders, but chose to do it when he was gone on an errand that would take him less than an hour when he had been gone for days, just a few days prior. Every witness that personally knew her testified to what a loving and caring mother she was, but somehow she planned and carried out the murders of the people she loved the most. While in her right mind, she chose Patrick's area of the house to kill them and then provided no postmortem care. That as a nurse, she crushed up her own medications and put them in lemonade, which would render them less effective. Like, right, she was like a nurse herself.

• 39:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Lindsay didn't cut herself enough for the lacerations to require immediate attention at the hospital, but somehow she lost enough blood to make her hypothermic in record time. She jumped out of the window, but somehow left no bloody prints on the window seal. Her confessions, despite first responders testimonies that she wasn't able to speak. Her confession that she did it despite the fact that he pointed out her confession doesn't match the crime scene, that Patrick is in any way credible when his testimony has been contradicted over and over, and that Lindsay was outside long enough to get that cold. But Callan was alive recently enough to first responders on scene to be able to be resuscitated at the hospital. Like there are people that have found these things. I mean, they did a reenactment with these brats dolls. I'm not saying, I don't know, but there are inconsistencies. To the point where hundreds of people who, normal people are just like, this doesn't feel right and they, they can't prove it.

• 40:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I would not let her off into the streets. That's not what people are saying, but they're like, she definitely didn't premeditate this and things are sus.

• 40:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm with you and I'm with all these conspiracy theories. I know I was talking to like our friend's brother, who is a psychiatric nurse. And he was like, people in a deep state of psychosis can't premeditate this kind of stuff. You can't, he works at a hospital. He, he directly deals with these type of people. And he was like, I don't need to know anything about this. She did, you can't premeditate something in a deep state of psychosis. However, why doesn't she remember it? Did she admit to it?

• 40:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're saying she admitted it to, I think a psychiatric nurse. Like, that's what they said. That is the most unclear part to me because, but again, her, the legal team is not saying she didn't do it, but the prosecution has to prove that she did. And that's what people are like, you aren't proving it to us. So I hope I got that right. I really don't want to misspeak. This is, it's complicated. They brought in this like Tik Tok girl and the girl, the guest that was like smiling. That was crazy. Like, if you've been following this, there's been, these are distractions though. I want to be clear, like, but there have been a lot of distractions, but I can't believe that there are people, like namely women, who are out there with this like holier than thou, unnuanced, compassionless take

• 41:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  that this wasn't a woman who was struggling and begging for help.

• 41:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, that's crazy.

• 41:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  People are out supporting her. They're not like, yeah, kill your kids. Like, let's get so for real right now. Like you can't at least have some empathy for everything that was going on with her that has been documented and proven before this happened. She was begging for help. That's just the facts. It doesn't excuse what she did. That goes without saying, I don't have to say that.

• 41:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, this is horrifying no matter what.

• 41:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent. And people aren't arguing to let her off free, but isn't Casey Anthony out? Isn't she on the streets?

• 41:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I think so. She's not like Dancing with the Stars.

• 42:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stop. Don't, Raina. You're thinking of, um, Gypsy Rose?

• 42:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I know Casey Anthony is.

• 42:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, let's move on.

• 42:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so another woman who is, there's nothing else on my feed except for Natalie Harp. And she is Donald Trump's most dedicated aide. I mean, she's this young girl, you know, I've known about her for a while because they've called her the human printer. So she follows him around with a printer and she just prints stuff out for him. So she's been the human printer for a long time, but her love of Donald Trump dates back to his first presidency. I think she was like sick, allegedly she had brain cancer.

• 42:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  She credits him with saving her life.

• 42:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Saving her life. And since then, you know, these letters that she leaves him around the White House have surfaced. And she basically says like, you're the most important thing in the world to me.

• 42:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so I did just want to say like, I was curious why everybody's talking about her now all of a sudden. So her official title is special assistant and executive assistant to the president. But lately she's just everywhere. She's become one of his key gatekeepers and she was with him when he secretly fled Air Force One over the security concerns and left everyone else behind. Like she was by his side. So two love letters have surfaced that she has written him and they are so insane. Raina, imagine writing this 80 year old lunatic in diapers, a love letter. Would she sign it? All my love, this man, this man in a diaper, this man who was shitting his pants. That's your man?

• 43:31Rayna Greenberg?

  You're the most important thing in the world to me.

• 43:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just like, what in the swim fan is happening here? Like, imagine Donald Trump is your crush. Imagine Donald Trump is your, is your crush.

• 43:42Rayna Greenberg?

  You're like a young, relatively decent looking girl. Like you could have anybody and you're like, I'll take that orange thing.

• 43:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving obsession. It's giving Donald Trump made a wish for this 35 year old blonde to be obsessed with him. He did the one wish Willow and here's Natalie Harp. The thing I noticed most in the letters was the punctuation. Insane capitalization from Natalie Harp. Okay, so here's all the words that she capitalizes, just willy-nelly, like it doesn't make sense.

• 44:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Just in the middle of the sentence.

• 44:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Commas are all out of whack too, but the capitalizations are airport, carts, cash register, the C and the R. Mementos, sunset, sunrise, trip, note, staff, plane, dinner, guardian and protector. Those are all capitalized.

• 44:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Guardian and protector. She's like, God, she's like, that's him.

• 44:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, Donald Trump's like, you will use capitalizations, but cash register, cash and register. Trip, note, staff, like the letters are crazy to read.

• 44:32Rayna Greenberg?

  It never like crossed my mind that a person who's this level of obsessed with Donald Trump would be smart or literate. You know, he's not literate.

• 44:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Literate at all.

• 44:40Rayna Greenberg?

  But I wonder what he thought about this take, like, because I was talking to Jeremy about this. Jeremy Jacobowitz, who's one of our good friends, and he's so obsessed with politics. And he was like,

• 44:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  So obsessed with Donald Trump.

• 44:50Rayna Greenberg?

  He was just like, this is a weird diversion. We're just like ripping this woman to shreds on the internet and there's like terrible things going on in the world. And we're like, The Cut wrote an article about her, her eyeliner.

• 45:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  It, it is an interesting cat eye. It's, it's pronounced.

• 45:05Rayna Greenberg?

  You don't see it a lot.

• 45:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Like the rest of the look doesn't match the cat eye, but whatever. I'm not going to criticize whatever she wants to do with her makeup.

• 45:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, I mean, there is a funny line from the article in The Cut basically saying like, this is not a lot of makeup, considering that she's a Republican woman.

• 45:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's more minimal.

• 45:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's minimal. But I do think it's interesting. There is like so much about her and listen, I do like a distraction just as much as anybody. I mean, things are so terrible. We like candy and anything from the grocery store. Like I do need to laugh sometimes, but this is like a lot of shit about this young woman who like, I mean, she idolizes an absolute monster, but like, I guess you could say she hasn't done anything wrong. She does platform and support the biggest monster in the country.

• 45:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I think these letters leaked and I don't know, is that also like an invasion of privacy? Whatever. It's just, this is this week's distraction. So we won't even talk about her next week, you know?

• 45:56Rayna Greenberg?

  She'll probably be the speaker of the house.

• 45:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is a weekly show and we're going to talk about those letters.

• 46:01Rayna Greenberg?

  And that, and that eyeliner.

• 46:04Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, we're just going to get in our headlines and then we're going to send you guys off. Dancing with the Stars announced their cast season 35 and Whitney Levitt's husband.

• 46:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, was that your craziest?

• 46:13Rayna Greenberg?

  That's my craziest pick because I'm just like, they were like, she made it so far. Clearly her husband will do well.

• 46:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's how Connor, can he dance?

• 46:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Connor's pretty gay.

• 46:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you watch theater school?

• 46:28Rayna Greenberg?

  You did watch.

• 46:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, do they dance together?

• 46:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 46:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do they do dancey videos together?

• 46:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Always, always on TikTok.

• 46:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's where he he's known for his like TikTok dances with her.

• 46:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Always. Okay, that to me is the craziest one. But yes, he's in her dances. They're all just dancing. He wasn't in like the most famous dance when she was like, I'm in the NICU. And their kid was like, right, in the NICU. And she was like doing a TikTok dance. That was pretty crazy. He wasn't in that one. Thank God. But I would love if they brought her out to do a number with him.

• 46:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I people really like them.

• 47:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's been talk of a spin off, you know, like Whitney, what a redemption arc for her. And he's this like supportive husband and let him cook. Okay. Ciara Miller was one of the first people they announced forever ago. That this is old news. But Ciara is going to be on. Obviously, we can't wait to see her. Tyler Cameron. Jenna Dewan and Julia Stiles herself, Juilliard grad. Save the Last Dance, like this casting is for millennials, like for everyone who had Step Up and Save the Last Dance on DVD, which is me, this is our Super Bowl. Raina, Julia Stiles?

• 47:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Sorry, you said Tyler Cameron. And all I can think about was first of all, former guest of the show. Just got engaged. Congrats to him. The caption was insane. Better late than never.

• 47:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Better late than never. I love Save the Last Dance so much.

• 47:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, of course.

• 47:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's crazy to watch it back and see that final dance of hers that gets her into Juilliard.

• 47:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, she doesn't do that on the show. I will be so upset.

• 47:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  She has to do it on the show. But it's funny that we when we watched that, I saw it in the theater, of course. I remember being like, that's the best thing I've ever seen. We really were just like chills in the theater. You know, it's just very funny. But Jenna Dewan and Julia Stiles, like, I can't even believe this. And I guess Julia Stiles does have a dance background. I think.

• 48:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Doesn't Jenna Dewan?

• 48:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, yes, Jenna Dewan for sure. But Julia Stiles, like, it kind of became this joke, like, the dancing from Save the Last Dance. Like, it kind of, over the years, has kind of been picked apart. And it's just crazy. She's going to be on the show. I can't wait. I don't really watch Dance with the Stars. I've never wanted to watch a show more. I can't wait. I want to watch every week. I can't wait to see all of these people. Like, this cast speaks to me more than any other cast.

• 48:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel like the last couple of years, this show has had a huge resurgence with Alex Earl, who also has a Netflix show coming out, which we'll watch it. Ciara, I mean, I really like, we follow a lot of people that have been on the show. I don't think I have it in me to. I don't think I could do that show. I mean, not only can I not dance, but like, the amount of rehearsals it requires. I mean, this is like day in, day out. You have to move to LA, rehearse all the time. I mean, it is like a full time job while you're on the show.

• 49:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I would do it 100%. But I would crash out after so hard. Like, I remember seeing some videos that Alex Earl posted about how hard it was to come off of that. Like, the way that it becomes your whole life, the people that you're with, the rehearsals every day, like, you have a different life. And it seems incredible if you really make it that far. And then it's just over. So anyway, I don't think I'm not strong enough. You know, I barely survived my post wedding crash out. Okay, and next we have, this was just very funny, Kacey Musgraves came out during her tour performance on these sparkly disco balls that was literally a ball sack. Do you ever see something and you're like, I didn't know that was an option? We would have been coming out on sparkly ball sacks on our shows this whole time if we knew.

• 49:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it did remind me of when we had the the penis pinata in Toronto, and it came down from like the rafters.

• 50:00Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a stupid question. Was it supposed to be a ball sack?

• 50:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, Kacey Musgraves is hilarious.

• 50:04Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I love Kacey Musgraves. But as it came down, I was like, is everyone seeing what I'm seeing?

• 50:10Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like, it's like when Andrew Tate got arrested. And I was like, if everyone does not immediately start talking about this outfit, like, I will riot.

• 50:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  She says, it takes a lot of balls to get up and do what I do every night. It takes two gigantic anatomically correct sparkling balls. In fact, she also shared her grandmother was at the performance. I've actually got my Nana in the house tonight. You know, she always told me, honey, if you're going to do something, do it big and do it sparkly. Nana, is this what you had in mind?

• 50:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I thought Nana was gonna be like, do it on a giant set of balls. Riding on the balls of a man.

• 50:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love this so much. Yeah, it was incredible.

• 50:43Rayna Greenberg?

  We sit on like giant penis chairs?

• 50:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 50:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, like the backs would be like a penis.

• 50:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  We tour again, we gotta do better.

• 50:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you see what I'm saying? Like, behind us, the shaft, like, we're sitting against the shaft. And like, right above our heads, like a hat is the head of the penis.

• 50:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  And like, we're kind of like sitting in the ball.

• 50:56Rayna Greenberg?

  In the balls, but like.

• 50:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  It'll be veiny. We're gonna love it. Okay. And lastly, this was last week, right after we recorded, I believe. My DMs were full of this. So Margaret Qualley wore those Chanel barefoot sandals for the world premiere of The Dog Stars. Iconic.

• 51:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I couldn't believe it.

• 51:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  The dogs were out, like, just so smart. You know, it almost, it's like the Kacey Musgraves things. It's just a smart stunt.

• 51:26Rayna Greenberg?

  And if I was gonna wear those shoes, and if you can even call them shoes, because it is just, it just covers your heel, right? There is nothing under your foot. There's nothing under your toes, or is it clear?

• 51:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then it's got the strap, right?

• 51:36Rayna Greenberg?

  It's got a strap, but like, is there nothing under your, your, like, the front of your feet, right?

• 51:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, you're like, the the balls of your feet are on the carpet.

• 51:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, so like, a red carpet is the place to wear this, because it's not the street, and it's not like existing carpet. It's like that carpet was laid down just for this event. And it's clean. So I would wear it there.

• 51:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And then they have the straps around the top and your ankle. But she looked gorgeous. But for this to be for The Dog Stars, just so smart, so funny, so many headlines about it. It was everywhere. And we talked about these months ago when they made waves on the runway. So we just thought that was like, very funny. Want to let you guys know. Also, Instagram has a new logo. I don't know. What are they doing?

• 52:14Rayna Greenberg?

  It was a jumps scare when I saw it. I was like, what is that?

• 52:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know. Do I like it? Do I hate it? You know what? I don't care.

• 52:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't care.

• 52:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't care.

• 52:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't need it.

• 52:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I didn't even want to give it that much airtime.

• 52:23Rayna Greenberg?

  When companies change their logos, I'm just sort of like, what was this for?

• 52:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, Instagram has a new logo. You can't eat any food in the US. And that's what's happening. RIP Dolly.

• 52:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, that was your snack, guys.

• 52:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, girlsgottaeat.com, girlsgotta eat podcast, Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg, rainagreenberg.com for her tour tickets in the fall coming up soon. You can watch a full video on Spotify where we are here today at the studio and also on YouTube. And we will see you guys on Monday.

• 52:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 52:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

• 53:24Ashley Hesseltine?

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