407: Mackenzie & Her Dad’s Creepy Texts, Plus Her Weird Jail Calls with Mom | Mackenzie Shirilla

The final episode in the Mackenzie Saga. Nearly four years after the crash that killed her boyfriend and his friend, Mackenzie Shirilla continues to insist that she is innocent. And in hours of jail phone calls with her mother, she makes it clear that her stance hasn't changed. As Mackenzie discusses her conviction, life behind bars, and her hopes for an appeal, many listeners have been struck by what they see as a startling lack of accountability. At the same time, a series of text messages between Mackenzie and her father have sparked intense debate online. Dive into the calls, the texts, and the family dynamics that are raising new questions about Mackenzie’s life post conviction.. If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected].📚 Episode Sources Strongsville Police Department••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 0:47Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serial Ashley.

• 1:09Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of Serial Ashley. With me, Annie Elise, your true crime bestie, your Mackenzie, Shirilla, deep diver, just, you know, going to the depths of hell on the internet and in the FOIA and coming here to clock in for duty with you. Now, let me just start this episode by saying this, okay? This will be my last Mackenzie, Shirilla episode. And you know what? Let me actually put like a little asterisk next to that. I think, I think. I don't want to talk about this girl anymore. I don't want to give her any more airtime. I don't think, truthfully, that there's much more I can share with you that will bring value to anything.

• 1:51Annie Elise?

  But, so this will be like the last hurrah in that regard unless there is some huge new revelation or there's something you guys are requesting that I cover regarding the case. But I feel like now, after today, we will be done with it. Now, that being said too, for all of my audio-only listeners... Very similarly to the Wednesday episode, this is a bonus episode and it contains a lot of phone calls. Originally, I was not going to put either one of these bonus episodes on the podcast feed. I was going to only have them on YouTube because on YouTube you can do closed captions, so you can hear it a little bit better and read what the transcript is. It's not, it's an episode that doesn't have as much commentary for me, so whatever, I

• 2:35Annie Elise?

  wasn't going to put them on there. But I did a poll over on Instagram asking, hey, for my audio only listeners, do you want me to cross post it? And the majority of you, like 85% said yes. So, once again, releasing this bonus episode, not only on YouTube, but also on the podcast feed. And if for any reason you do have difficulty hearing these calls and following along, it is posted on YouTube with closed captioning. So, you'll be able to read the transcript. Now, the other day, and just in case you missed it, let me remind you, on Wednesday, I did release a bonus episode and we have been in the trenches of Mackenzie's case for literally years now. I know I mentioned that we had the huge stack

• 3:18Annie Elise?

  of, you know, 600 page documents back in 2023. We also have FOIA information. We've received terabytes and terabytes of digital evidence, of phone calls, of jail calls, of so many things. And we've been kind of digging through all of that since this new renewed interest in her case, since the crash came out on Netflix. And so with that, I went through the jail calls. And on Wednesday, I pulled out six calls that I wanted to highlight between Mackenzie and her friends. These are the jail calls in which they're talking about boys, they're talking about sex, they're joking around. She does not seem remorseful at all. She drops the R word, literally dozens of times. And like, she's making fun

• 4:01Annie Elise?

  of people. And those calls to me, the reason I chose those six, I felt like I could have put the whole, you know, gamut of phone calls on, but I was like, okay, this is what's going to really like illustrate things the most. These are the most important calls, in my opinion. So same goes for today. Today's episode is not going to focus on Mackenzie and her loser ass friends, but Mackenzie and her loser ass parents, okay? Because I have gone through hours and hours and hours of phone calls between Mackenzie and her mom Natalie. Which I think we all can agree that her parents just enable her to like the ends of the earth. And I've pulled out about 15, I think 16 to be exact, but roughly about 15

• 4:43Annie Elise?

  that I think you really need to hear. Because in these calls, there she's instructing Mackenzie on what she can and can't say. They're talking about the appeal. She's talking about how she's so obsessed with the Facebook group and Facebook pages and comments, living in the comment section. She, this is Natalie, her mom that cares about this, which isn't really a far stretch, because we know that when Mackenzie was hospitalized immediately following the accident, that, and I say accident, it wasn't an accident, but you know, the crash, I should say, that when Mackenzie was immediately hospitalized, her mom was running her social media, trying to get her signed to modeling agencies, trying to, asking the police, what do you think the social media

• 5:26Annie Elise?

  perception is going to be about all this? So that is still very much the tone of their conversations. She's running Mackenzie's accounts. They're talking about changing her profile picture, her bio, living in the comment section, just like this very surfacy, superficial bullshit, when that doesn't even matter. Your daughter is in prison for taking two lives. Like, read the motherfucking room, right? And in addition to all of that, they start talking about, they start dragging Dom and Davion's family in these calls. They start talking about how she's the victim. Mackenzie's a bitch through and through in the majority of the calls, all while her mom is like soaking it

• 6:09Annie Elise?

  up and thinks it's like cute and funny. It's beyond. So I want, I'm going to share some of those calls with you. Curious to know your thoughts, and if you're feeling exactly the same way I am, and what you pick up on, because there are some very interesting conversations. And then after those calls, I'm going to jump back on here with you. And I want to talk about all of the rumors that are going down right now about Mackenzie and her father. If you don't live on TikTok or even on Instagram reels, you may not know at all what I'm talking about. So I'll give you a little sneak preview right now. But a lot, as everything has been, you know, a full data dump of information over the last several weeks, a lot of the text messages people are starting to show, which

• 6:53Annie Elise?

  we've seen, I've seen, I've known about them for a long time, but they're starting to show the text messages of Mackenzie asking her dad for warm milk in the middle of the night. Her dad saying things like, you know, your mom loves me, like, it's a get out of jail, not this, I'm paraphrasing, but like, you missed your get out of jail free card last night, or things like that, and like, but kept asking for a warm milk, which people, of course, believe was code for, I mean, I guess I'm just gonna say semen, okay, implying that she and her father, Steve, had a sexual relationship in secret from her mom.

• 7:34Annie Elise?

  They even further, I don't want to say like bolster this claim, but I guess that's how I could describe it, but because in previous Starbucks orders, Mackenzie always ordered her drink as dairy free. So they're like, why would she be asking for warm milk? What 18-year-old or 17-year-old is asking their dad for warm milk in the middle of the night? So you can imagine, things have been running rampant on the internet with people speculating what this really means. And, look, the last 60 days, I think I've covered three or four incest cases, so it is out there, it is a thing, unfortunately. But I'm gonna talk more about those text messages after I play these jail calls for you. I'm gonna talk to you about what I believe it means, what I think the dynamic really

• 8:16Annie Elise?

  is, also, what I think Steve and Dom's potential relationship was like, the two of them, and we'll kind of get into all of that, so this will serve as the episode of Mackenzie's parents. And maybe we call it like, the unraveling of Mackenzie's parents, because we've already been talking about how her dad's spiraling, he lost his job, they still don't seem to understand how to read a room of like, what their daughter has done and how severe it really is. But this episode will serve as like, let's talk about the calls with mom, how mom only cares about fame and perception and attention and living in the comment section and capitalizing on her daughter's presence, even though it's like, not a good thing to capitalize on, and then we're gonna talk about those text messages with dad.

• 9:00Annie Elise?

  So let's start by getting into the phone calls.

• 9:06Speaker 03

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• 9:30Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  What were you saying?

• 9:34Speaker 05

  I don't know, and now I just like smell shit, like I just like smell something.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Maybe it's probably farting.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  No one is by me.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  What?

• 9:43Speaker 05

  No one is by me.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  No, it's pretty, oh, well, that doesn't matter. Sometimes that smell the wasp.

• 9:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know what to say to Maddie.

• 9:54Speaker 04

  What'd she say?

• 9:56Speaker 05

  Just say, "All right, thank you, Lord."

• 10:03Speaker 05

  I said, "Maddie, I miss you so much. You're the son I sing. I miss you all so much. Thank you for sharing the real. Love you so much."

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:11Speaker 05

  Good.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  Kendra said her thing is not working. She said she misses you and loves you, and she will see you tomorrow. I'm dead as fuck.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  What?

• 10:23Speaker 05

  Kendra said her thing is not working, and she said she misses you and loves you, and she will see you tomorrow, and Debbie.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, and the father is posting that huge. You want me to read it to you?

• 10:47Speaker 04

  I'm gonna read it to you. This father's posting it on every single YouTube.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Can you hear me?

• 10:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  Okay, it's long, so let me know when you're ready, okay?

• 11:00Speaker 05

  I'm ready.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Okay, hold on.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  I gotta get through this ass. Okay. Hold on.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  Dude, Jason said it all. So let's just get this out there for y'all goofy asses can realize. Let's first start with this quote-unquote evidence. All their so-called clues is all based on interpretation. Number one, they say she wanted to die, but that's after the fact of the accident. And she was in the hospital saying, "Close, she never meant for this to happen." And that now all she wants to do is be dead. I'm sorry, if I or anyone else was put in this situation where they lost their six-year boyfriend and doesn't fully remember what happened, but no, they want to do that and interpret it in a worse way. I'm sorry, anyone in that situation would say the same thing. You got some dude who goes by his head who literally like no one knows, who just did his sippy and has a criminal background,

• 11:55Speaker 04

  and they say is a family friend of the Russo's and living in the basement.

• 12:00Speaker 05

  Oh, that's a lie. Hold on, Paul. That's a lie. I wrote that shit down. That's a lie. That's a lie. That's where Ms. Russo's room is, in the basement. That is a lie.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  Well, maybe that's where he- 'cause he just started- he just started living there in the last year, Kenzie.

• 12:15Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't know, but I don't know. I don't know. Maybe she's sleeping in Dom's room or some shit, but I don't know.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  That's what I mean. That's new, yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  So, and let's all- let's just mention that Kenzie and Dom's mom- this part I don't know about. Kenzie and Dom's mom never had a good relationship and fought at dinners and got in a contest? No, they didn't.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  Wait, I can't understand you. So can you get off speaker or something? 'Cause like I don't know what the fuck you're saying.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  I can't because I mean I can't read.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Okay, well send it to my phone and then like read it or something. Like I can't understand you at all.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  Okay, uh, let's see.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Okay. Let me screenshot this and then I'll send it to you. It's very long. Wait a minute. Hold on, do you want me to?

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Hold on, still screenshotting, so it's very, very long.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  I knew they went, "No, it's not." Okay, so now I'm gonna type this into the phone.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Get off speaker. Let's start with that.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Hold on, hold on.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Okay. I just texted you.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Let me start over?

• 13:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Okay, so first, let's start with this quote-unquote evidence. All their so-called proof is all based on interpretation number one. They say she wanted to die, but that was after the fact of the accident. She was in the hospital saying, quote, "She never meant for this to happen." And now all she wants to do is be dead, quote. "I'm sorry, but if I or anyone else who put in that situation where they lost their six-year-best friend and doesn't fully remember what happened, but no, they want to use that- they want to use that and interpret it in the worst way. And I'm sorry, anyone in that situation would say the same thing." And then you've got some dude who goes by Hench, who literally, like, no one knows who this dude is, at fifty, and got a criminal background, and they see he's a family friend of the Russo's and lives in their basement. Also, let's just not-

• 14:28Speaker 04

  also, let's just mention that Kenzie and Dom's mom never had a good relationship and fought at dinners and stuff. Kenzie, I know he didn't.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  At what?

• 14:38Speaker 04

  I don't know. Kenzie's- wait. Kenzie-

• 14:41Speaker 05

  Just read it.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  And Dom's mom never had a good relationship, fought at dinners and got in conflicts, etc. And please, parents, go home and ask your kids who they got their goodies from. Please. They're painting a fake picture, and they know what they're doing. She can't claim the truth. Dude, that he was renting from her and was able to have a whole house with a Jaguar and a Cadillac and a recording studio in his house and never worked a job. Come on. That wouldn't look weird, would it? You can't sit here and try to find every little bad thing about this girl and just cover up the rest about the others. "They drove down that road hundreds of times with me and others in the car. This was not an unusual route. It's all a damn lie, and it's crazy, because it's almost like, as the years continue..." Uh, hold on.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Almost like as the years continue, everyone becomes blind and retarded. That detective knows the lies he put up on the fan. Those families will realize what they're doing and realize when they do meet their kids again, they will also be as disgusted as I am. This girl had no job, literally didn't benefit shit from Dom. Yet he cooked, claimed to care of her. For Christ's sake, her birthday was just four days. And he had reservations for a really expensive Italian restaurant and had gifts. Why would she do it before that if she was trying to benefit from this? They try to sit here and say weeks prior, she threatened... Hold on, I'll listen, please. Uh, she threatened to go off the road where there are texts between Kenzie and multiple people claiming a whole different story.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  And tell me, please tell me how that man got out of the car if she was driving. No matter what was said by both of them in that car, she would not get her six-year boyfriend out on the highway. Um, they are feeding everyone lies and all these little ratchet ass MS like this Morgan girl who's been in love with Dom for years and has called issues in their relationship out here acting like she knows shit. But people, she's crazy for him, all in cats. Then we got this little bald-headed psycho Gina, or Joss, is a girl who's eighteen claiming she's been addicted to coke. Um, wait a minute, hold on. Hmm. They've used coke and multiple drugs for a couple of years.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Come on, people, you're really gonna believe that piece of little trash who's just as crazy in the head, who's just crazy in the head and most likely has publicly posted it. We got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up more lies and trying to be his own detective. Oh, he's talking to... Is that you, Smee? Wait, what did you... So, go back, go back. Okay. We got a dude who was in love with one of the victims out here making up more lies and trying to be his own detective. Oh my goodness. When I found out these men passed, it seemed as if before we even knew speeds and other information, we had people out here claiming it was on purpose. We had people claiming they were high on LCB turks and mushrooms. Now, let me just throw this out here. So, Kenzie

• 17:37Speaker 04

  was found in the car. Oh, I can't read this part. This part makes me cry.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Okay, just read it. Kenzie was found in the car with her head down by her ankles. Right now, I've asked almost damn near a hundred people and no one can explain it. And that is if you have your seatbelt and steering wheel at a normal distance, there's no way you could be found lodged there without either being in that position for the crash or the steering wheel column was ripped out of the car. And if you look at pictures, that's not the case for a fact. Go in a car right now and get seated right and try getting down there. It's one thing to be hunched in her lap or on the steering wheel itself after the airbags deflate, but no, that's also not the case. And if you're keeping up, Kenzie has testified about a diagnosis that's called POTS. And what that is, is wherever standing up quickly, not enough

• 18:27Speaker 04

  blood flowing to the brain, usually between eight to 10 minutes and they will pass out, even seizing up. It can also happen when you're just sitting. Now, check this out. It took them eight to 10 minutes from where they left to where they crashed according to the likelihood of missing. Also, she's been told by doctors that if she feels something coming on, she should lay flat on her back or in the car, put her head between her knees. Another thing to keep in mind is if you Google and look up, tell you the camera engine malfunctions on Google, one of the main ones is from 2005 to 2022 where incidents were on the car after making a turn to speed up to 80, 90, 100 miles per hour. It ranges from people putting the car in park after playing sudden RVM boost and actually getting out of their car

• 19:08Speaker 04

  and their engine's blowing up, to people crashing through houses. There are over 700 reports, but yet not her lawyer or if anyone else wants to take that into accountability. Jim did say that, didn't he, Mo?

• 19:22Speaker 04

  I don't know either. These prosecutors sit here and make a lie after lie. These families are lying and it's disgusting. I have no remorse or anything for these families. And actually, after speaking to someone close with one of the victims, I won't name names, but it's crazy how they didn't even want their own son back in their house. And they didn't even come back the second day they found out their kid had passed. And as a parent, we all know anyone and everyone would be back that same day. I am done with these grown ass people wanting to act like this is high school or some Batman justice movie when this is real life. And the girl tried killing her, wait, killing herself in that life. And the girl tried killing herself in that hospital to her best friend, her boyfriend, not anymore. This girl has never experienced life without him.

• 20:05Speaker 04

  And she would never do this. And she would never not do this with another person in the car. And then they act like Davion was just some object in the car. And that he was just magically there when no one, no one, no, he was there for a reason. Cause he trusted them. He trusted them. And he trusted him enough to accept him into their home. And yeah, remember that their home, so that video of her locked out of the house, it's her house too. She lived there for almost a following year. This is just sickening. They're also saying it was definitely her fault due to her contact and dumb parents apologizing and trying to keep the connection that was somewhat there after six years. But no, they want to take her pain and feel that she will never see her boyfriend again and doesn't know why. And they're trying to use that, again, or interpreting it to be bad. Please people, open your fucking eyes like truthfully.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  This is coming from someone that has never been in this girl's friend or had a cure for this girl. This is coming from someone who is that smooth and facts that take through all the lies and is just doing what's morally right in my heart. This whole community is going to hell and I'm certain of it. I feel it. Also, let's not hide this. There were five perfectly, perfectly healthy, fine people that saw all three of their state of mind, that spent hours with them before they passed, saw them ten minutes before they lost their lives. And are they testifying? They must have not at Saint Paul. Either the prosecution or the defense...

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Um, one of them speaks, one due to they know the truth. These kids will speak, and if one doesn't show us, it potentially restarts the whole trial. People, these are messages are not to help Kenzie in any sort of way, like I said. It doesn't matter to me what happens. The public just needs to know the evilness behind these families and the law. The people need to see these people in public that continue to cause attention and people to look at them differently, and these people should not be allowed to live a tear-free life after all the lies, a ton of lies. That's on every single YouTube video.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Who, so wait, who was that? We don't know who that was?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  No, I have no idea.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  I have no idea who the fuck that is.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Me either. And Sophie responded, he was like, "That is one hundred percent spot on."

• 22:12Speaker 05

  They putting it everywhere?

• 22:13Speaker 04

  Everywhere, on every Facebook post, every YouTube feed.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  Oh my god, I love that.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  It's so long, isn't that amazing? Who the hell is that?

• 22:25Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Everything they fucking said was, oh, that's my daddy, was like, "Did I write this?"

• 22:33Speaker 05

  Yes, I love that.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  It's perfect, me too. And it's, um, it's a fake profile, I, it's, I don't know if that's their real name and there's no picture or anything, but that shit is facts right there.

• 22:47Speaker 05

  I can call you back?

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 05

  Okay, I'ma call you back.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, call me, call me, call me.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, you all gotta get to like, like-

• 22:54Speaker 04

  And then, and then Bubba's, Bubba's the one that's posting it, I remember, from Facebook, onto YouTube.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  Are you for real?

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:03Speaker 05

  Are there like, people, other people replying to it, are there likes on it and shit?

• 23:07Speaker 04

  Um, I don't think so. There's not a whole lot of action on anything, Ken. There's no comment on it.

• 23:12Speaker 03

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• 23:36Speaker 05

  I have until nine forty-five to be out.

• 23:39Speaker 04

  Okay, this is hers, so don't talk.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  Okay. What?

• 23:43Speaker 04

  What, I was talking to daddy, we were talking about some stuff.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  So, what does Med Cart do?

• 23:52Speaker 05

  Give medicine?

• 23:54Speaker 04

  Oh, for that long?

• 23:56Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 23:57Speaker 04

  Wait, hold on, hang on, what, hang on, Kenzie. Okay.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Is everybody on a lot of meds? Are there a lot of people, how many people are on your floor?

• 24:06Speaker 05

  Like, there's like over ten, I don't know, I don't know exactly how it is, maybe like fifteen, twenty.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Oh, that's not bad. Oh, well that is, okay, ten and twenty are different.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  I said more than ten, probably like fifteen, twenty.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Okay. Are you gonna be able to jump in the shower?

• 24:21Speaker 05

  I hope.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  (sigh) Love you.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  Love you too.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Oh, you know what, maybe I'll go up in my office now that I'm standing, and I'll go write down what you're gonna say.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  What if you should just message me?

• 24:44Speaker 05

  True.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Did you get coffee? The coffee, okay.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 24:51Speaker 04

  And that's the thing, I asked Jim, I don't even know what you're supposed to wear Monday, what if you have to wear the orange?

• 24:56Speaker 05

  I don't have orange. It's not orange, I wear blue.

• 25:01Speaker 04

  Oh, who wears orange?

• 25:03Speaker 05

  The boys, I thought, I thought the girls wore orange though.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Me too. That's weird.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  No, I wear blue, I showed you my outfit, on the phone.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know, I thought, I don't know.

• 25:12Speaker 05

  That's what I wear, every day.

• 25:15Speaker 04

  Oh, and they wear orange every day?

• 25:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, the boys wear, like, you know the color of my shoes?

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 05

  That's the color of their outfits, the boys.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  I'm gonna put you on speaker, so that I can write. Okay?

• 25:30Speaker 05

  What are you writing? Oh, what I wrote?

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Your speech, yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  So...

• 25:40Speaker 05

  Do you need a bath?

• 25:45Speaker 05

  Alright, you ready?

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Yes, but read kind of slow.

• 25:49Speaker 05

  Okay, "To the families of Don and Davion."

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Do you have that?

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  "I've said it a million times..."

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:02Speaker 05

  "...but I am so deeply sorry."

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  "I hope one day..."

• 26:11Speaker 04

  But...

• 26:12Speaker 05

  "...you can see..."

• 26:14Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  "...I would never let this happen."

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:20Speaker 05

  "...or do it on purpose."

• 26:23Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:24Speaker 05

  "I am just heartbroken."

• 26:28Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:28Speaker 05

  "I wish I could take all your pain away."

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  "Long live the boys."

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  "And then, 'To my family and support.'"

• 26:45Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:45Speaker 05

  "I thank you, I thank you all..."

• 26:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:52Speaker 05

  "...for seeing the real."

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 26:55Speaker 05

  "Under all these lies..."

• 26:58Speaker 04

  Go ahead.

• 26:59Speaker 05

  "...thank you for non-stop fighting..."

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  "...for me and all the love."

• 27:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:12Speaker 05

  "And support..."

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 27:17Speaker 05

  "...I love you all so much."

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  "And then, I pray one day..."

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  "...people won't see me as this monster..."

• 27:35Speaker 05

  "...they are making me out to be."

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Who's they?

• 27:43Speaker 05

  The prosecution. In court, the judge.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  That they're making me out to be. Thank you. And that's what, that's what I wrote.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  You should even say something like, I pray that people see me as a man that if, if you got a chance, yeah, well, that'd be your side.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  I'm just gonna say what I said.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yep, it's perfect, Henry.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  Tell people to send me messages.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  I will, but it's Saturdays, you know what I mean, it's the weekend, they may be out or doing things, you know, but I will. I'll try and tell them to set up video calls, too. What do you like better?

• 28:26Speaker 05

  Both. Video calls and message, I need both.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Okay. So, I don't know why I went to my desk to write that down, I just did it in my notes on my phone.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Allison has these new beans in their shop, they look so weird, they're like, they're like snake, they're called like snake bean, snake tongue beans or something.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  What is?

• 28:48Speaker 04

  I don't know, every time she posts pictures, I'm like, oh my god, Miss Henry would definitely try that weird ass looking thing, whatever it is.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Oh, Allison, um, Sam keeps talking to me about the squash, he's like, you need to try the squash, the squash is good as fuck.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  You gotta tell him I was cracking up because Allison posted these melons that she has and somebody in the comments was like, do you guys have peaches yet?

• 29:09Speaker 04

  People are giving her a hard time about peaches, that's all they care about are the peaches.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  Yes, because their peaches are good as fuck, the best peaches I ever had in my life, like.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  She was like, look at these melons, I'm like, no, where's your peaches?

• 29:23Speaker 05

  Cool melon, but where are the peaches? Like, they're just annoying as fuck.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  But I'm telling you, they- Have these beans, they look long, flat and fuzzy. I don't know what they are.

• 29:36Speaker 05

  I like how they get all the cool shit.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  I wanna work there.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Yes, I'm sure. That would be so funny. Then you go to the farm. Oh my god, you would be so loving all that whole process.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  Maybe one day.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  Yep, keep your faith to the light.

• 30:01Speaker 05

  And that'll just be good to work for like a small business. Like, I don't wanna work for no like big business. I can just have like multiple jobs, but then like I don't wanna have no free time. Like, I don't like that.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Well, when you do what you love, that is like your free time. You, you don't mind doing it. You, you love to do it, you know?

• 30:16Speaker 05

  And I'll get first pick on everything, so.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  But it's not like work, because not only will you love it, but it's your, it's like family, you know what I mean? So you're like excited to go.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  I'm about to get in the shower in a second.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Good.

• 30:31Speaker 05

  And wash my hair.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  Does really make my forehead break out real bad.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Yeah. Is that, that lotion stick I gave you, is it also, can you put it on your face?

• 30:43Speaker 05

  I put it, I put it on my face.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Good, okay.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  What's dad doing?

• 31:01Speaker 04

  I don't know, but Auntie just showed me something. Somebody is going off on Facebook again, and I swear to god, they know everything. They're posting everything, everywhere, and it's like spot on.

• 31:10Speaker 05

  Who is it?

• 31:11Speaker 04

  I don't know who this is.

• 31:12Speaker 05

  It's a new person?

• 31:14Speaker 04

  I, uh, it's that same one, but they know everything about everything somehow, and I don't know who it is. Yeah, daddy was like, "Did I write this?"

• 31:24Speaker 05

  Again?

• 31:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yup. So-

• 31:28Speaker 05

  What are they saying this time?

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Like, "New-" like, "New update. I just found out that dude lives in her basement and she's been his lawyer for years and there's a criminal living in the house and-" I mean, just everything, Ken.

• 31:38Speaker 05

  What the fuck?

• 31:40Speaker 04

  Everything. I don't know how they know this stuff.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I told Auntie Tiffany to see if she can contact them to see who that is. Who is that?

• 31:53Speaker 05

  What the fuck? I need to know who that is.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying.

• 31:58Speaker 04

  The only thing is, it- it- you know, you can be anybody. They did use one word that points to them being a younger person.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  What'd they say?

• 32:07Speaker 04

  But obviously, the "bra."

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Um, that is funny.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  They think they're younger, but who cares? I mean, of course they would know everything if they're younger, right? Like, this is- this is definitely-

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Well, they used it one time. I'm like, "Okay, so this is a younger person."

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Did you- I want you to ask that one person if you do it.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm just trying to find out. They're like, they're, um, they're stretching and twisting, everything, and none of this is true, and they did not all live with a family. He rented a house next door and they're making it sound like they did. I mean, it's Kenzie. It's everything.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  I love whoever that friggin' is.

• 32:54Speaker 05

  What?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  Keep talking, buddy. I love who that is.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, we need more people talking like that.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  There is a lot of it, but whoever that is, it's like knows intimate details somehow.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  Which is fine. Me too. Yeah. Keep talking, for sure.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  And I'm gonna respond to the, um, media outlets, I think, today.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Yes, please.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  I'm scared, though. I am going to.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  No, don't be scared. Or have Dad do it, if you're scared, like-

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Well, no, no, no. I'm not- no, no, no, I'm not scared.

• 33:25Speaker 05

  Okay, good.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  I just need to- I need to really formulate my words carefully, that's all. I'm not scared, Kazzy.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  When I say I'm scared, I'm not scared to do it. I need to be careful to make sure that I'm doing it right. That's all because, you know, one word. Could make or twist things, you know what I'm saying? So I just need to get legal counsel to make sure what I'm gonna say is okay.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  Yes, please.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know me, I don't fart without making sure it's okay. I was after the prosecution, listening.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  Hold on, I'm about to get in the shower.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  I love you, love you, love you, I'm gonna call you back.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Okay, bye baby, love you.

• 34:05Speaker 05

  Love you.

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• 35:20Speaker 03

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• 35:43Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Hey. Those two?

• 35:47Speaker 04

  Um, Nina and Bubba to shout off the rooftops for you.

• 35:52Speaker 05

  I know.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Actually, he's coming over. They're coming over.

• 35:56Speaker 05

  When?

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Here, our house. Just talk to me about things.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  I know, I- I didn't say Nina and Bubba. I said Rosie. Nina and Bubba, I-

• 36:05Speaker 04

  What you want to say? Sorry, not Nina. Not Nina.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  That's who I'm talking about.

• 36:11Speaker 05

  I feel like Bubba's more like, like riding for me, cause he's like, like, than Rosie. Like, it's weird as fuck.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  He's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- I think that was her. I'm gonna ask her that when she comes over.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  Ask her what?

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Um, he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a- he's a-

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  Okay, that's who I think.

• 36:30Speaker 05

  Me too.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Right. So just, I know you're anxiety and you got fear and stuff like that, but-

• 36:36Speaker 05

  I don't have fear. I just like, I don't try to be a part of the loop if you're just like- Like the rat or something like that. It's weird as fuck.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  No, that's what I mean. Just pause on that. I know it's hard to not feel that way.

• 36:50Speaker 05

  Like I'm very weirded the fuck out. Like, I don't, that's just-

• 36:52Speaker 04

  Hold on, she's in a bad mood.

• 36:54Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, I'm in a bad mood. I'm just- I'm sorry, I love you.

• 36:55Speaker 05

  I'm not in a bad mood. What is- I'm not in a bad mood.

• 36:57Speaker 06

  Well, okay, okay, okay, okay. I love you.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  I love you too, Dan. Like, what the fuck, like, what does that have to do with you talking to me? That's weird as fuck.

• 37:04Speaker 06

  Oh, I- I love- I love- I love you. I love you. I love you. I got- I got in trouble last night, or this morning.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Why?

• 37:10Speaker 06

  I- I got in trouble.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  By who?

• 37:13Speaker 06

  Mommy got mad at- mommy got mad at me.

• 37:17Speaker 05

  For what?

• 37:17Speaker 06

  So, so that must mean- that must mean in like, two weeks, we're gonna get in a car accident and I'm gonna be charged with murder and- and felonious assault and stuff, you know, because, you know, cause, you know, in Strongsville, if you speed, if you speed, it's, you know, it's something bad anyways.

• 37:32Speaker 06

  Anyways, I love you very much. I'm- I'm angry for you, baby. I'm just like, you know, I'm angry. Every- every waking second that I'm thinking is about you. That's all I'm thinking about. I just wanna let you know, I love you so much, and I- and I cannot believe you are being put through this. This is- I- I- I hope they- I hope karma comes back and blames everybody that's against you in the ass so hard that they all disappear. That's all I said. And if I had a magic wand, if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't go back and help baby at first. I'd make everybody else disappear. I'd cut my fingers and everybody would disappear. That's, that's what I would do. That's, that's how, that's how angry I am. They, they screwed you so bad. Okay, I gotta go. Bye. I love, I love you.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  I love you, Dad, so much.

• 38:15Speaker 06

  I love you. I'm on your side, one hundred percent. And I know, I know you did this on purpose.

• 38:20Speaker 05

  I love you, Dad.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I mean. You got army people fighting out here, baby, okay? Just gonna talk on the phone.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  Yes, I'm on my period here and then like I just like feel gross as fuck, like.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  But, but I need to tell you though, that Rosie and Baba and your friends, I started a whole big Kenzie group chat.

• 38:38Speaker 05

  I know, they told me.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  We are all, yup, we are all that way, how daddy's feeling, okay? And they are part of that.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, but, I don't know, I like, it's weird as fuck because last time I was like on the phone and free phone calls, like and when I was in Ju- like the juvenile facility, like Sammy was in the car with Rosie and they were like both talking to me, being like, oh, like, nah, nah, nah.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Wait, hold on a second.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Hold on.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  They were what? Who was?

• 39:15Speaker 05

  There was Sammy and Rosie in the car and there was this like weird ass shit going on, like, I don't know, like.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Okay, well, listen, here's what we'll do. Ask her, okay?

• 39:24Speaker 05

  You need to ask her too, and, and tell her that like Kenzie's feeling weird as fuck. You can tell her that yourself too.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  I will, I will. I'll tell her too. Ask her. If she says she doesn't hang out with any of her anymore, you have no choice but to believe her, okay?

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Okay, and if I see her hang, it-

• 39:38Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:39Speaker 05

  I'm gonna have people watching her and if as soon as she hangs out with her, she's getting fucking blocked on everything and she's, you need to take her out of the group chat.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  So, we'll, we'll deal with that part, yes, then. But you have, we'll just blast her.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 39:55Speaker 04

  No stress. You have a whole huge people out here fighting for you every day.

• 40:00Speaker 05

  Oh, and you know what?

• 40:01Speaker 04

  What?

• 40:02Speaker 05

  You know if that man can just get my like message in here without like knowing anyone or like-

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Well, he must, that's what I mean. He must do this quite freely.

• 40:11Speaker 05

  I'm saying though, I'm saying though, what if somebody else gets my message, it's like that'd be like, I know you did on purpose, you, and then, you know what I would do? I'm gonna reply and be like- Only if they give me a stamp, I'm not replying without, actually, yeah, I'm not replying without a stamp. But, um, I'm gonna be like, I was like, hey, thank you for the message, Kazi will get back to you very shortly. Her messages are overflowing, thank you so much.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  I have to sort of like pretend it's like a voicemail.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  That's a good idea, her messages of support are, are overflowing, yeah, that's a good idea, that's funny.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yes, I'm gonna do that, her message, oh, and do you think I should write out what I'm gonna say to like, the court?

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, if you want to.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know like exactly how, like, does it need to be long, like, I don't know what to say, I already know a little bit what I need to say, like.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 40:57Speaker 04

  It doesn't need to be long at all, just talk from, just talk from your heart, right?

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Don't say anything any, about, you know, the whole proceedings, or the verdict, or whatever, just talk to them.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  I'm not, and, and I'm not gonna say thank you to the judge or anything, I was gonna say thank you to the judge, but I'm not going to say anything to the judge.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  No, you can tell her that, you know, you, you feel that, no, don't even say anything, I was gonna say, you can say that you feel she made a mistake, but you can't, don't even say that.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  I'm just like, can I say it to you, what I'm gonna say, or do you want me to wait?

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Um, I think you can say it to me.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm gonna be like, should, I don't know if I should be like, I'm gonna be like, well, first I'm going to start with, the families of Davion and Dom, I just want to deeply apologize and say I'll forever be sorry, and I hope that one day you guys can see that I never meant to do this on purpose. It was just a car accident, I want to tell you I'm sorry forever, if I could take your grief away, I would take it away in a heartbeat, I am so sorry.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 05

  And then I don't, I don't know what else I would say.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, just, just like that, it doesn't even have to be long, pumpkin.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  I've been, I don't even know what I'm gonna say.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  And then I'm gonna be like, and, I'm gonna say something to you, I'll be like, to my family, like, something, and supporters, thank you for seeing the real in this.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  And fighting for me every day.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  You love, you loved him, you would not, like, it's just so crazy, Ken. It's crazy.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  So.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, just like something like that, mhm.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  She even say the judge, you know, if you, if you knew me, if you knew who I was. You don't even have to say, don't even say that, whatever. I don't even know, Kenzie.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  They'll figure out who I am very soon, I mean, you would think they would know who I am by like watching me in jail for fucking like nine fucking months, but I guess that's not enough for them. But if I mean, if I can make a decision in like nineteen seconds like they say, then I don't understand how like they can't figure out who I am, but in all this time, that just doesn't make any sense.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  What's been going on, on like, like people like, I don't know, like has people just been like posting about me still, or has that died down again?

• 43:14Speaker 04

  No, it's playing down.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  Well, on my side anyway, I don't know, because I don't have Snapchat or anything like that. But don't forget, um, good news travel fast, bad news travel faster, and people latch on to toxic and anger and rage. It's more than people trying to support somebody in a situation.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  So it's no, sometimes there's no sense in arguing with people on the internet because they're loud and evil.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  I'm so weirded out still though, like just by Sammy, like that shit just weirded me the fuck out, like, how are you gonna like try to be cool with me and like talk to me on the phone, ask me if I'm okay and shit?

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Who, Sammy?

• 43:56Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  And then she was just in the car smoking weed with Rosie, so like, what's up?

• 44:01Speaker 04

  Because she's a follower, huh?

• 44:03Speaker 05

  She probably just wanted like to fucking like scene and like get like a free blunt or something, but like, what if they got in a car accident, would one of them be charged with murder, like I'm confused, like?

• 44:12Speaker 04

  Right, right. I know. Sammy's a follower.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  She's just doing it because it, because it's gonna, that's the dude. That's all.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Rosie is strong, Sammy's not.

• 44:32Speaker 05

  And I'm not, I don't wanna go in the courtroom if Houston's in the courtroom, I don't feel safe with him anywhere near me, I feel like he's going to attack me.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Like, I don't know if there's anything you can do about that.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Well, I'm gonna refuse to go into the courtroom then.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  Honey, you can't.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Don't even look over there.

• 44:49Speaker 05

  I don't, but I like, I, I knew I felt some weird shit last time, like I knew I could tell, like some weird shit. And then he's like hugging Ms. Russo, like, she's probably the one that told him to like come harass me at the grave.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  I know.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  And like follow me that day, like.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  I know.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  That's weird as fuck, like.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Honey, this isn't over.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 45:08Speaker 05

  Like, I hope, and like, what's, what's the point of like going through my phone all that time and finding literally like all the instances?

• 45:14Speaker 04

  Cause you stop talking right now. Okay?

• 45:17Speaker 05

  I'm saying though, but like.

• 45:18Speaker 04

  I know, don't talk like that.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  Nothing was even shown, nothing was even shown, like why?

• 45:22Speaker 04

  Honey, please stop.

• 45:24Speaker 05

  Yes, we need a, we need a different lawyer, like I don't give a fuck, like that was the weird, I'm so weirded out by him too, like I just don't.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Cause just, just chill, just, just wait. I know.

• 45:37Speaker 05

  Hold on, Diamond.

• 45:40Speaker 05

  Diamond, what time do we get our call tomorrow?

• 45:45Speaker 05

  Like later in the afternoon? Yes, I'm about to, yes, alright, it's coming, it's coming like kinda like on the earlier side, like eight to like one.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Oh, there you go, good. I just wanna get moving around two, that's where I'm at.

• 46:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm about to eat good tomorrow.

• 46:04Speaker 04

  Gee.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know, Rosie just needs to talk to me though, cause like she needs to tell me what's up, like, or I'm going to block her.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  I'll ask her to call you.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  Is it working on that one?

• 46:26Speaker 05

  Yes, that's what I just tried to do again, here, you try it, I'm like, it's saying like it can't be completed and it takes long as fuck to load, right?

• 46:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, messages are not loading right now, I keep trying to check my messages.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Yes, it's the same shit, and then a message would pop up and be like, it's not working.

• 46:49Speaker 05

  I'm about to, I'm about to tell the staff or something.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Did you write a grievance on that one terminal?

• 46:54Speaker 05

  I wrote a grievance on that terminal, yes, cause what the fuck is that about?

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Okay, good, good.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  This one girl was like, can we like, can we switch, like, you're the other video call at seven, I was like, I'm not switching my video call. What?

• 47:09Speaker 05

  It's not like that.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  I thought, yes, I was hoping you don't know what I'm saying, 'cause I do, I'm like, I'd be saying, I'm, yes. Oh. (laugh) What, you spiritual and shit, like, crystal and shit? Do you spiritual? Yeah. Okay, yeah, me too.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, it's not like that. (laugh) It's not like my Big Fat Jifty Wedding. Not like that, like, I'm-

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Oh, I love that movie.

• 47:41Speaker 05

  I'm dead as fuck, no, I, it's not like that, like, it's just more like, like, the carnivals and shit, like, stuff like, I don't know how to explain it, like, how do you explain a jiffy?

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Like, the theatrical, dancing type, like, theater.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  Like, thea- like, like, theater and shit like that, like, they be, like, very, like, and then, like, very, like-

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Musical, musician.

• 47:58Speaker 05

  Musical, spiritual, like-

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:01Speaker 05

  Like, nature and shit, like-

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 05

  (laugh) It's not me, I'm scared of me. (laugh)

• 48:10Speaker 04

  What?

• 48:24Speaker 05

  You be doing that shit too?

• 48:27Speaker 05

  What you saying?

• 48:29Speaker 04

  You have one minute left.

• 48:32Speaker 05

  What's wrong with her?

• 48:35Speaker 04

  Candy, we have one minute left.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  We have one minute left, hold up. I'mma call you back. Yeah, she, I heard her last night, she was, I was like, shut up, like, I was about to yell at her, but I don't want her to fuck me up, so, I-

• 48:46Speaker 05

  Yes, all right, Mom, I'm calling you back after this call.

• 48:49Speaker 04

  That's fine, then I gotta work at eight.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  We'll, we'll be yelling. What'd you say?

• 48:53Speaker 04

  One more call, and then I have to work.

• 48:55Speaker 05

  All right, I'mma call you one more time.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  Uh, (laugh) what the fuck? All right, I'm calling you back, right now, bye, I'm calling you back.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, bye.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To accept charges and consent to this recorded call, press 1. To refuse, thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 49:32Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 49:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I try, I, I dial my information fastest book, this time.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  What?

• 49:38Speaker 05

  I dialed my information really fast.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  And I set up a card so I can bypass that through the thing now.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  Really?

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  Oh, that's good. Cause I remem- I memorized my number by heart.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  There you go, good for you.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  I mean, I looked at so much of a pain in the butt, but I still did it anyway.

• 49:58Speaker 05

  Did you look up on, um, the, um, county website, if you, like, the county inmates?

• 50:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  I want you to see my mug shot.

• 50:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know why, I just like, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck's gonna happen.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  I wanna tell you something really bad, but I can't tell you on the phone.

• 50:18Speaker 04

  I don't know when you're gonna be able to.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  Oh my god, she keeps peeking, like, I see you, room ten, like, for real. Alright, I'm not gonna say, you know, no, I'm not gonna even say that. Oh, God.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  No, don't. I don't know how we're ever gonna do it.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  Is Jim gonna come see me before, um?

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Probably not, but maybe you can tell him, then he can find me on Monday.

• 50:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:45Speaker 05

  What else has been going on online? Okay, so what you, did you tell my friend you changed my Instagram name?

• 50:51Speaker 04

  No, but I'm sure they, no.

• 50:53Speaker 05

  Well, I don't think anyone really knows that that's what, like, that's me.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Um, why not tell him?

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, you should just make a group chat for, like, Tennessee announcements.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  I did.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 51:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's how I, I sent the app for the, the video thing.

• 51:12Speaker 05

  Who's all in it?

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Uh, your ride or die. I'm trying to get Paul's number, I sent him a message on Instagram.

• 51:20Speaker 05

  From Michael?

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I just found him.

• 51:25Speaker 05

  I feel so bad for him.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  I do too.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, when he tested it, he was like, I wanted it to be at my house for once because I never do anything at my house. And then I didn't want, I was in a bad mood and then they convinced me to like, come do it at my house anyways.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  And then all that fuck shit just happened, like.

• 51:45Speaker 05

  And they said something that just like, got me thinking, like, they was like, can you, I thought I would sleep on the couch with Dom all night, but Dom wasn't. When Paul got up to see where everyone was, Dom wasn't on the couch with me at four AM. So where was Dom at four AM? I just think about that all the time.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Where was he?

• 51:59Speaker 05

  I don't know, and that just like weirded me out, like.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  That just like makes like, so many more like, possibilities of what could have happened.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Well, he called Blair, like at three thirty to six in the morning or something, he was calling his friend. Remember, trying to say like, thanks for kicking it with me. I love you, that kind of thing, which was also super weird.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  He never did shit like that.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  I know.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Cause he al- he always told me he doesn't even like Blair.

• 52:24Speaker 04

  What the heck?

• 52:25Speaker 05

  You remember, you've seen the text message where he's like, I don't even fuck with Blair.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, like he would drop him in a second, yeah, that's a real good friend, Dom.

• 52:32Speaker 05

  (laughing).

• 52:33Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  I miss him still, I don't care.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  I know you do, baby, I know, me too.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  My little nug.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  Poor Paul, I feel bad for, I feel bad for everybody.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, me too.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  I do not know how you survived that crash, pumpkin, I'm so bad.

• 52:54Speaker 05

  Neither do I, like, I don't even, I don't even remember being coherent, like, how they were saying I was like, answering questions, like, I don't remember that, like, I.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  I don't remember any pain from the accident, I don't remember like.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  How did you even end up in this, like, how did you even get, I don't understand, I can't even go there.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  I was like folded down.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  That just doesn't make sense to me either, like, I feel like, I don't know.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  I know, I can't go there.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  I wish I could get hypnotized in here to remember.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  I would remember so bad.

• 53:25Speaker 05

  I almost feel like, it was like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not gonna say, but I have like, my thing, I think I know, like, I feel like I think I know what happened, but, I don't know for sure. But it could, it could be wrong.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Like, it could be a million things. A million things.

• 53:42Speaker 05

  Like, I feel like it was another incident of like, Dom doing what he used to do all the time, in the car.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Right, that's how, that's. What everybody kinda feels.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  But I don't know if that's even true, cause like, why would he do that with Davion in the car?

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Because he used to do stuff like that with other people in the car, remember?

• 53:58Speaker 05

  True, with Kendra in the car.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 05

  Because he, he was like screaming at me, because I dropped the blunt in the car.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  And he didn't want it to burn his car, but I like was trying to get it.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  You didn't get a shit who was in the car?

• 54:09Speaker 05

  And then he was like speeding really fast trying to scare us.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  Dude Kendra could, Kendra could've, should've said something about like, we should've had Kendra say like, man.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Just wait, that's what I mean, if we have to appeal, maybe we'll just, we have, we'll be, just wait. Let's hope that the judge makes the right decision, as she can see. Okay?

• 54:33Speaker 04

  That's all.

• 54:35Speaker 05

  And you know, I was also thinking, I was thinking about how like, everyone that was in juvenile, like what they told me about the county, like it's all wrong, like they all told me wrong stuff about the county, like I was expecting something completely different.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  Well, you're on the protection floor, don't forget.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Well, I need to be off, I need to get the fuck off this floor.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Well, I know, but is it better than what they said, or worse?

• 54:52Speaker 05

  Worse.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 54:56Speaker 05

  I mean, like, yeah, but they said those people were gonna put broomsticks in my butt and stuff like that, and like.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 55:01Speaker 05

  And like, they was gonna like, try, like, try to like bitch me right away and shit, and like, none, none of that is going on.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  You, it might be on the other floor.

• 55:10Speaker 05

  But I need to get the fuck moved off this pod.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Why, so you can deal with that, you wanna broomsticks everybody?

• 55:16Speaker 05

  Honestly, at this point, I'd almost rather be dealing with shit like that than deal with like the crazy people.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Why?

• 55:20Speaker 05

  I don't like these people that are slow, I don't like them, I don't wanna be around slow people.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  You know, I've been on those. I know, I understand.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  I don't wanna hear like weird laughing at night, I don't wanna hear someone being, ma'am, ma'am, every single night, it's annoying as fuck, like she almost got me starting to be like, ma'am, ma'am, in my room, like I was just doing it cause I was bored, like, ma'am, like these bitches rubbing off on me, these slow ass hoes, like I don't wanna be on the pod with them.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 55:43Speaker 05

  I don't know, I'm not even gonna sleep for now, and I'm almost done with this book, it's getting good as fuck, and I wanna keep reading it so bad, but like, I have to wait. I have to wait till I'm, like, I can't read it.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Your books are coming on the nineteenth.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Oh, the nineteenth?

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  That's so long still.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  It's still so long, right, but at least it's not the twenty first.

• 56:05Speaker 05

  Oh, you choose what like thing you, like what screen I do the video calls on?

• 56:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  No. Uh, so it just like picks one?

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Cause it, yeah, it said like not on this terminal, and I was like, okay.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Uh-huh.

• 56:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  What else was with lunch? It was meat and potatoes and what else?

• 56:30Speaker 05

  And green beans, but I did not eat them. And these little Oreo cookies that are like not Oreos, but they're like, yeah, white on like the pan Oreos and then the dark Oreos on top, and they're good as fuck. I love those.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  Ooh, that's like a vanilla cookie and a chocolate cookie with a cream on it.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was so good. It was like my favorite thing. I should have been eating those for months. Like, um, cookies is good as fuck.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  But I'm hungry right now, so I might just like go in my room and eat a pack of cookies.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:00Speaker 04

  Did you save your juice or did you drink it?

• 57:02Speaker 05

  No, she did, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't.

• 57:08Speaker 04

  Oh, that is nice.

• 57:09Speaker 05

  She didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. How nice. She's so nice.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  She didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  I don't know what her name was.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  She didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  July fourth?

• 57:27Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  July fourth, I don't even, I can't look that up. That's not a thing.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  Just look it up, and it'll probably come up.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  July fourth, baby kills?

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Cleese, cleese, please, and she's a fetal.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  Okay. Um, there's a, what, what's that?

• 57:48Speaker 04

  For what?

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Why are you asking me about?

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Something I know?

• 58:01Speaker 05

  What, is something I made or something that you made?

• 58:04Speaker 04

  No, Dave's talking about the Oculus.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  Do you try that one?

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Um, by the way, I was looking, see how he says hi, baby. Did you hear him?

• 58:16Speaker 05

  Hey, Dad.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  He said, hey. Um, I found a thread where Dom was asking me if he wanted a thing from La Preezies. And you're like, those white, those white circle things with the sprinkles, and he said biscotti?

• 58:29Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't know. Maybe that's them.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  That doesn't sound familiar?

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  I don't know either.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  That thing is- A mystery.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  Well, I can get Uno cards.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  You can?

• 58:46Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:47Speaker 04

  Can you get them?

• 58:48Speaker 05

  I don't want Uno cards.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  Your list is totally different than mine.

• 58:58Speaker 05

  They got a holiday kit. What the fuck is a food kit? And you can buy like, what the fuck, artificial tears, ointment. You can buy like, messes laxatives, hemorrhoid ointment.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  Tylenol, muscle rub.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  Hence, a hemorrhoid ointment not be bad idea for your, um, that's really good for like, bags under your eyes.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  And stuff like that, believe it or not.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  You can buy commentary on this fish, too.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  The whole shebang chips. Ooh, I like those. Yeah, you can buy Hers- Hershey's. Oh, I'm buying Jolly Ranchers. I'm getting some of them.

• 59:31Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't see Jolly Ranchers on mine.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, 'cause this is like, all different. And they got lemonade, creamer, grape Kool-Aid, hot cocoa, oat.

• 59:40Speaker 04

  Ooh. Oh, my god, I didn't have hot chocolate on mine.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  And a brown sugar pop tart. Those are shitty.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't like those. Yeah, you like those.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  And they got Swedish fish, too, and Now and Later. Oh, I like those.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  I, the Now and Later's were always sold out. Those are like, a hot commodity.

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  In here?

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. That's what it said.

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  They got Hot Cheetos, too. They told me there wasn't no Hot Cheetos.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:00:11Speaker 05

  And for food, what the fuck?

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:00:14Speaker 05

  They got crazy ass shit.

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  They got ranch dressing, sausages.

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  And they got, like, ball- ball salt, protein conditioner. Like, they got good conditioner and shit, like, dandruff shampoo, contact lens solution, skin care lotion, Proline moisturizer, swab conditioner, swab shampoo, Vaseline lip therapy.

• 1:00:36Speaker 04

  I don't have any of that stuff on mine. It was super basic.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. It just takes so long to get you. You gotta order. Like a week in advance?

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Is that how it goes?

• 1:00:50Speaker 05

  What is bergamot? B E R G A M O T.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Bergamot?

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, what is that?

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Where, what is it in?

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  I don't know, it's just like a little like, container, I don't know what the fuck that is.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Bergamot.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  They got skincare lotion, I might get some of that too, or Proline moisturizer. Oh, that's hair and, hair and scalp conditioner.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  What is it?

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  Is, is it type of a stick that's good?

• 1:01:29Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Well, hold on a second, I'm trying to see what it is.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  It's like aromatherapy, it's applied to the skin, the chemicals in bergamot oil can make the skin sensitive to sunlight. It's used for high levels of cholesterol.

• 1:01:44Speaker 05

  Well, should I use it? That sounds good, I might get that.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  It's used for anxiety, mental awareness, joint pain, many other conditions.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  I'm getting that.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  But I'm not buying it yet.

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  It says there's no good scientific evidence to support that other use.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  What is it about?

• 1:02:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, I cannot wait to call you, I just wanna call you so bad. I'm probably gonna sleep when I go back in my room again.

• 1:02:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  But like, I sleep so much here, oh, it's pouring outside.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  That's what I mean, the weather.

• 1:02:30Speaker 05

  There's like, not enough staff on Saturdays?

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  What, you come to work like, every day, I see you all the time. You're just like the trooper for here, like.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Is that the nice one?

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  You have one minute left.

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  Alright, mom, I, I just love you so much, I'm gonna call you, not now, but, I'm gonna call you.

• 1:02:51Speaker 04

  That's fine.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  Okay. Alright. But I love you, Mom.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  What? I love you too.

• 1:03:05Speaker 05

  But yeah, I'll talk to you, um, at seven o'clock. I can't wait.

• 1:03:09Speaker 04

  Me either. If you wanna call me again, you don't try, and then we'll just try to merge a call.

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  Alright.

• 1:03:15Speaker 05

  I love you so, so, so, so much.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  I love you too, my beautiful baby.

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  That's cool, as long as it's something, yeah. Alright, Mom, but yeah, I'm gonna talk to you again when I- at seven o'clock during our video call. Hold on, I'm about to- it's about to hang up. But I love you so, so, so, so, so much, Mom. Tell everyone I said I love 'em.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  I will, I will, I will. I love you too.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  And yeah, I will, um, I'll let you know what to-

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  Make it a great day.

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  I will try to. I'm about to go to sleep when I, um, go back to my room in fifteen minutes. I'll want to talk. I love you, Mom. Bye.

• 1:03:43Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To accept charges and consent to this recorded- thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now.

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I could've done this from juvie the whole time, too.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  And it would've been two dollars from juvie?

• 1:04:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  Oh, hell no.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  That's what I mean.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  It's okay. At least I know now. And Marissa has- must have had, uh, had this app or something a while back, or had known somebody in the system for- at some point, because the fact that she was able to message you that fast means that she must've already had an account that wasn't penny or nothing.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  Unless her just- I don't know. I don't know, but that was super fast.

• 1:04:48Speaker 05

  Did you talk to her, like, after, like, yesterday?

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  She sent me a message.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  Okay, she's saying that his mother is not a good person, like, nope.

• 1:04:59Speaker 05

  It's crazy she could just tell that through, like-

• 1:05:01Speaker 04

  She, uh, through the stuff that she saw, read, and, yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  Mrs. Shaw got really skinny too.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  Feel bad?

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  It's like weird to be out seeing her that skinny. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, if it doesn't look normal.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  Stress and trauma. I mean, that's happened to her. Yep.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  Mrs. Shaw's like, I can tell you're hurting. Like, I can feel it. Like, I don't know.

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  You said that?

• 1:05:34Speaker 05

  Mrs. Shaw, she's like really spiritual too. Like.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  She's like. I'm so glad you could talk to them. And you can call her. And Nicole said you can call her anytime. As soon as she can set up this video thing, she's gonna give you her number. You can call her whenever.

• 1:05:50Speaker 05

  I love her so much.

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 1:05:55Speaker 05

  She'd always talk to me about, um, we always talk about our boyfriends and shit.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  I know. I know. I can't wait for her to get in contact with you. I was going through your phone and can you think of anybody else that I didn't think of? What about Phil? Do you want me to? What about Phil? Cause he keeps sending me that he loves me. Send him love. He loves you. Yeah.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  Phil? Um, yes.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  Literally anyone. I was about to just like post it online type shit. I don't give a fuck. Like.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  I just, well, I wanted to ask you first. I don't want people, like, you know, wolfing sheets of clothing, coming in to message you and then giving you messages that are not nice.

• 1:06:27Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't care about if I get a message that's not nice. I can have, I can block people.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  Okay. Well, you're gonna have a bunch more people coming in, hopefully today.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. I wish I had my fucking iPad, like.

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  I know. That's okay. This is good. This is okay for now.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  It's not because I'm, I only get to come out for like an hour and thirty minutes or forty-five minutes.

• 1:06:52Speaker 04

  At least it's something, is what I mean. It's, it's okay for now. Better than what it was.

• 1:06:57Speaker 05

  What do you mean it's better than what it was? No, it's not.

• 1:06:59Speaker 04

  Cause you didn't have access to anything before.

• 1:07:01Speaker 05

  I don't care. I liked it better there before.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  No, I mean before, before the, this, before the messaging. You know what I mean? Before that all your friends were messaging you.

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I still don't care. I would rather be at like, no, like, no.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I know. Thank you.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  Or I need my iPad. Like, I shouldn't be.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  We'll have to see what happens after Monday.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  You need to be calling her, leaving her messages about like getting me off the touch.

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  I don't wanna be protected.

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  I really don't wanna be protected.

• 1:07:37Speaker 05

  I don't need protection.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  I know. I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing at the cat.

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  Is that mommy?

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  No, it's her. She follows me all over the place. Finish her on the phone.

• 1:07:49Speaker 05

  Oh. Is that her?

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hold on.

• 1:07:55Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:07:58Speaker 05

  She's so cute, I miss her.

• 1:08:01Speaker 04

  She's getting better. She's not so, um, like vicious, you know what I mean? She'll still, like, when you're petting her and she'll go to leave, she'll swat at ya, cause she doesn't want you to stop. But...

• 1:08:15Speaker 04

  She's calming down a little bit.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  A little bit.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  I really miss the cat so much.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know you do. I know you do.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  I was gonna send you pictures, but I don't want you to be... Oh, I can't send you pictures. I'm only sending you e-cards. Oh, I was gonna send you, like, a little, uh, video. I can do, like, a thirty minute video, I think?

• 1:08:41Speaker 05

  You can send me a video?

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  I think. I don't know, I gotta look through it. Because...

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  I think I can.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  I gotta look through and see what my options are. I can't test, I can't snap and save.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  So I'm kinda going through and seeing what I can and can't do.

• 1:09:02Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm so tired, I want to go back to sleep. Where I go, uh, uh, so far away.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, does she ever sleep, that lady? When does she sleep?

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  She sleep right now, so it must take her, like, forty-eight hours to go to sleep. And she better stay asleep the whole fucking day.

• 1:09:20Speaker 04

  (laughing)

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  I'm dogging her the fuck out today if she keeps being annoying.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  (laughing) Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  She's so irritating. Look, I don't like her at all.

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  How old is she?

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  I don't know, like, grown as fuck, like, like thirty probably or some shit, like, bitch, she's grown as fuck.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, she's staying there all day?

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:09:42Speaker 05

  She's crazy as fuck.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's intense.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  They keep the people like that locked the fuck out.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  It's intense because she's, she's in there all day and she's still like, super polite like that, like it doesn't even, she doesn't even know basically where she is. That's crazy.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  No, like it's giving like, girl, like you don't, she doesn't understand, like her brain don't work, I don't think, like.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  No, that's messed up.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  So, what if, so if I get found like guilty of anything tomorrow, so what's gonna happen?

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  Kenzie, I don't know.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Like, am I going straight to Marysville, or like, do I have a sentencing, like, I'm confused.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  I don't know, baby.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  I don't know, this is something I never in a million years thought we'd be having to deal with, or go through, and, I don't know.

• 1:10:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I would be the one to just get like fucked up and like, not like that, like get fucked over.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  It's not your fault. Not your fault.

• 1:10:41Speaker 05

  I know, but it would be, everyone would try to make a scene like that and would try to make me go to jail my whole life.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  Just got, oh, wrapped up with the wrong, not even wrong, wrong, wrong family, really.

• 1:10:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like, this family, they suck, bad as fuck, I don't like them.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:11:02Speaker 05

  They're weird as fuck, like.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  Yep. Terrible people, I know.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Hmm, we will see, and then we'll just deal with whatever.

• 1:11:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, do you remember when I, um, when, my, one of my friends got that like voicemail from like the drug enforcement, the DEA?

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  And I showed Mr. Russo because I wanted to like protect Angela, because like I knew Angela was like, was selling drugs.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, wasn't that nice?

• 1:11:28Speaker 05

  And then she wanted to like, she sent it to the police, like, and then did it, left out the part where I like said, like, I'm worried for Angela.

• 1:11:36Speaker 05

  That's interesting.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  Just, wait, I can't, Kenzie, I cannot, I'm so sorry.

• 1:11:41Speaker 05

  That's just so interesting, like, I love how they just like like to leave out like little bits of information, like.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  Sure, of course, yep, because it doesn't fit their narrative. It's just terrible, terrible, terrible people. I'm sorry.

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  That's just so weird too, I fucking cannot.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  Me neither.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  But, uh...

• 1:12:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. But the response, um, online, like, people are like, well, it could've been this, it could've been that, it could've been this, it could've been that.

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  People are all saying that?

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, nobody knows.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  Nobody knows.

• 1:12:21Speaker 05

  So, people don't think it was my fault?

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  There's a lady, no, the one was like, "I don't think it was intentional." No, that's what that, that's what the general consensus has become. Because, duh, it's because it wasn't.

• 1:12:33Speaker 05

  You should've done a jury, some shit.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. Nope, because there's still other people that are like, "I don't care, she did this, this and this, and she should get the death penalty." Like, that person doesn't know you, but that's how some people are talking.

• 1:12:47Speaker 04

  So, nope, you, you made the right choice.

• 1:12:49Speaker 05

  Is it more good or more bad?

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  It's more good. It's better now.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 1:12:58Speaker 04

  It's better now. You made the right choice. Okay?

• 1:13:02Speaker 05

  I just been like, dealing with this shit for so long, and it's like draining so bad, like, I'm like, it's not like, okay.

• 1:13:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. But you did make the right choice. The thing I'm talking about is only a conversation between like, five people. Right? And it doesn't matter what anybody thinks, anyway, because they don't know anything about anything.

• 1:13:26Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  You don't know you.

• 1:13:27Speaker 05

  I think they seen, they seen the evidence that they had.

• 1:13:30Speaker 04

  No, they didn't though, because they only saw what the media reported. Remember, we know how the media reports, right?

• 1:13:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, they, um, what was I gonna say? There was like, a headline where it was like, girl, like, girl charged with like murdering like, two males in cars, some weird ass shit, like, they even, Red, they made the headline weird as fuck, like.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Exactly. And that church thing is still on there.

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  The church charges?

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's still on one of the, I think, Channel Nineteen or something, which is so asinine.

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  And girl, like, "Oh, I did not break into that church, I don't give a fuck."

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  Nope, you didn't.

• 1:14:03Speaker 05

  I did not break into that church, I was in the car, how am I?

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  They, they don't know if I wanted to leave. I, that's why, why the fuck would I be in the car if I didn't wanna leave, like?

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Jeezy, I do, you recorded it, you were like, "I just wanna go, can we leave? I don't wanna be here, don't touch anything, don't break anything, I, I just don't wanna be here."

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  I have that.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  They don't know anything. Nobody knows anything.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, like the only charge that like, I think that they're like, I shouldn't even be charged with it though, like, cause it was Dom. But like, I understand I have to take that fucking bullshit. The fucking drugs.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yup.

• 1:14:40Speaker 05

  That's irritating as fuck.

• 1:14:40Speaker 04

  And he should've known better too, and I, that makes me mad. I'm mad at him for that. Telling you that you can't get in trouble for just to hold everything.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  He always told me that. He always had me hold everything.

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

  I know. That's cause you were a minor, and he was using you for that.

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  And I mean, it's just, you know.

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  I don't even know if it was like a bad thing, or, I don't think he was doing it to be bad or mean, but he was just, well, he was young and stupid too, you know?

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:15:12Speaker 04

  Kazzy, everybody knows. Okay. And by the way, that person talking online, um, Face thinks it's a girl. Who's going off the rails, because they called Gina a bald-headed bitch.

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  I feel like I know who it is, but I'm just like, I think I know who it is though.

• 1:15:29Speaker 04

  Do you think it's a girl too?

• 1:15:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Because Face was like, how many boys do you know call a girl a bald-headed bitch?

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  I just feel like I know who it is.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Narrow it down and think of who it is too.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  They're posting it everywhere.

• 1:15:50Speaker 05

  Cause what friends, like, did I hang out with Davion and Dom with? Like, it was like, I, like, it was only like, I can only think of one per, like, one girl that I would like be with, like, me, Davion and Dom.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 05

  You have to ask them if it was them.

• 1:16:05Speaker 04

  I will, okay.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  I'll call. I'll make a personal phone call. There's no, there's no record of that conversation.

• 1:16:17Speaker 04

  I'm glad it came out though because it was a hundred percent right.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true as fuck.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:16:23Speaker 05

  And like, yeah, I speed. Everybody speeds though, like, everybody speeds.

• 1:16:29Speaker 05

  I don't understand, like, they're making it seem like they don't speed.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  That's how Davion drove. That's only how Davion drove. So, excuse me.

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  He was a car boy.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  So...

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  I know. So...

• 1:16:46Speaker 04

  So, don't, don't worry. However this goes tomorrow, you know, one foot in front of the other, we'll deal with the next step. Whatever the next step is. You, whatever the next step is though, Kendy, you are gonna be okay, right? Well, check it out. You've survived juvie. You're surviving county, right? Right? That's what I mean. Like, in, in Marysville, it's apparently... That's what I'm saying.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  So, I don't wanna go there.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't either. And if you have to go back to, to juvie, then you know how that, it's whatever, but... Kendy, you know, you've survived all of this now. You know what I mean? So, wha- whatever happens next...

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  That truth will set me free.

• 1:17:28Speaker 04

  You got it. We'll deal with it as it comes. But you are gonna be okay. And you're making friends everywhere you go. Everywhere you go. Cause you're an amazing person.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I help people everywhere I go. Like, I got that one lady, like, a job, kinda.

• 1:17:41Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  But, um, yeah, I've got one minute left, so I just love you so much, Mom.

• 1:17:46Speaker 04

  I love you too, baby.

• 1:17:47Speaker 05

  I'll call you guys next time I come out, and they know I've got a video...

• 1:17:50Speaker 04

  No, we got our video call at nine.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  Well, they kno- I know, that's what I'm saying. I'll call you next time I come out. They know, they know I got a video call at nine.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:17:57Speaker 05

  But I love you so, so much, Mom.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  Baby, I love you so much.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  I love you too.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  I'll talk to you later. So, I have a call at nine thirty, eight, and eight thirty.

• 1:18:11Speaker 04

  What? Cool.

• 1:18:13Speaker 05

  But I love you so much, Mom.

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  I love you too.

• 1:18:17Speaker 05

  I'll talk to you at nine thirty. I love you so much.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Yep. Thank you.

• 1:18:20Speaker 05

  Thank you for using Securus.

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  I love you too.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Goodbye.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Love you too.

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• 1:19:19Speaker 03

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• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  Hey, Mom.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  Hey, pumpkin.

• 1:19:45Speaker 05

  Who's Steve in Campo?

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:19:48Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  I don't know his name.

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh. Hi, how are you? I just came across your story online. I just wanted to reach out and see how you're doing. I'm Steve. I'm 43, from Long Island to New York.

• 1:19:57Speaker 04

  Oh, no. Holy crap.

• 1:19:59Speaker 05

  I've been on the long side of the lot with drinking and driving twice, so I know how being locked up can get. If you ever want to talk or need a friend, I'm here for you.

• 1:20:05Speaker 04

  Good. Hello?

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  Say, "Hey."

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  Hey. Can you ask somebody what their number for the word is? So, messages are working.

• 1:20:15Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I have all my messages.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  So, tell me who... Who messaged you?

• 1:20:19Speaker 05

  Hold on. I'm messaging Steve in Campo back.

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  Okay. I'm gonna write his name down.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  Kenzie.

• 1:20:28Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:20:29Speaker 04

  It's on the Today Show.

• 1:20:31Speaker 05

  Whaaat?

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  Girl, I'm telling you, they're about to get ready for the biggest fucking plot twist of the century. Right?

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  Whaaat? What'd they say about me?

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it's not on the TV, it's just online, and they're just reposting the story, but that's okay. That's okay, right? That's alright, plot twist bitch. Right? That's okay.

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  Write your book, start writing your book, you hear what I'm saying?

• 1:21:03Speaker 05

  I need my baby book to write my book though.

• 1:21:05Speaker 04

  I know, well, maybe I can write.

• 1:21:07Speaker 05

  I'll start it though.

• 1:21:08Speaker 04

  You start writing your book. So, okay, I'm gonna write these name sounds from these randos, that's so nice though that they're doing that.

• 1:21:15Speaker 05

  I'm supposed to have diamond list, cuz that's like, I mean, I would be telling her about this name.

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  Steven Camp C.

• 1:21:22Speaker 05

  A MPO.

• 1:21:24Speaker 04

  Okay, that was nice.

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  Good, I was gonna call the Worden today and ask her about, uh...

• 1:21:31Speaker 05

  Oh my god, I got no sleep last night, tell me why, like, she was just fake throwing up all night, like, it was so irritating, like...

• 1:21:37Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:21:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like making herself throw up all night, and I just had to listen to it all night, yeah, it's like, it was disgusting.

• 1:21:45Speaker 04

  Ew, ugh, that noise just makes me wanna throw up.

• 1:21:48Speaker 05

  Yes, I just had to like to hear it all night.

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  What the hell was she doing?

• 1:21:52Speaker 05

  Did she move off the pod?

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  Why is she locked up?

• 1:22:00Speaker 05

  What the fuck?

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  Well, the one of the girls that we, like, I talked to in here is on lockup.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  Uh-oh, why, what happened?

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  So, yeah, I have highly video calls today, I have four.

• 1:22:18Speaker 04

  Yay, oh, I hope they work.

• 1:22:23Speaker 05

  That's it, hey, it's so nice of you to reach out, I need all the support I get.

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  I'm hoping...

• 1:22:33Speaker 05

  The truth comes out eventually.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:38Speaker 04

  Just say, you know, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 05

  E V, how do you spell eventually? E V E N?

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  T U.

• 1:22:46Speaker 05

  U.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  Oh, I gotta type it.

• 1:22:50Speaker 05

  A, no.

• 1:22:51Speaker 04

  L L, no, uh, T U A L L Y. Oh, my God, I'm so glad you're not, just a little again.

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  I need all the support again, I'm hoping the truth comes out eventually.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  And then talk about his thing too, like, um, what happened, do you wanna share your story?

• 1:23:09Speaker 05

  Time in jail, so it's scary.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  Wait, I didn't hear your last sentence.

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  I said, this is my first time in jail, so it's scary, lol.

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Speaker 05

  How long were you locked up?

• 1:23:28Speaker 04

  You can even say something like, after this, um, I feel like half the people in jail are innocent.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  Remember, just don't talk about the case with anybody, right?

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  Because we don't know, he could be a reporter, we don't know.

• 1:23:42Speaker 05

  Oh, I, I wish he was a reporter, I'll talk to him.

• 1:23:44Speaker 04

  No, you can't talk about the case, though.

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:23:46Speaker 04

  You just don't know who anybody is. Remember, you cannot talk about the case, at all.

• 1:23:50Speaker 05

  I know, especially with randoms.

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  Right. Or, uh, with anybody, but, yeah, especially randoms. We don't know who they are.

• 1:23:58Speaker 05

  I feel like half the people in jail are innocent.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, a hundred percent.

• 1:24:10Speaker 05

  Oh, I got my book.

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  Yay! Oh, that's a quick turnaround time. Because usually when I step, drop stuff off at juvie, you get like four days, five days later.

• 1:24:22Speaker 05

  And I did hashtag free change.

• 1:24:24Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:24:25Speaker 05

  That's what I'm gonna do, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. And he even sent me, oh, he did, he sent me a stamp, so he's, he knows.

• 1:24:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh.

• 1:24:33Speaker 05

  I'm dead as fuck.

• 1:24:35Speaker 04

  Just remember, they could be reporters, so.

• 1:24:37Speaker 05

  Oh, I got one from.

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  Nothing about the case.

• 1:24:39Speaker 05

  You, Faye, put on, I have to, I'm a message, what's his name now? D, this is Kevin. I'm from Madison, okay, hold on, I have to lighten the scene, it's very hot.

• 1:24:50Speaker 04

  I do love that you can call me all the time, though.

• 1:24:53Speaker 05

  Oh, I know, I love that.

• 1:24:54Speaker 04

  Me, too.

• 1:24:55Speaker 05

  Well, I need to, hold on.

• 1:24:58Speaker 05

  Somebody is showering, and it just like, it makes me nervous. Even when I random shower.

• 1:25:02Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:25:02Speaker 05

  I don't know. I need a piece of paper.

• 1:25:07Speaker 05

  You was loud last night. Why was you puking?

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  You heard me telling you to be quiet?

• 1:25:24Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness, that's scary. She, you, you got a piece of paper? Alright, thank you. I'm about to, you have to write down so I can message them back. She's like waving.

• 1:25:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  Tell me why last night, she's like, she's like, you're gonna die and I'm gonna die and I'm gonna come and scare back. I'm like, telling you last night, through the wall. I'm like, mom. I'm like, oh, my god, I wish my mom could hear this. Like, I was like, what the fuck is going on?

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 1:25:48Speaker 05

  Oh, and I got a video call at, um, these times, but, oh, oops, hold up.

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  At what time?

• 1:25:56Speaker 05

  I have them at, well, that will probably, you're gonna be here all day or just for this one? One thirty-five.

• 1:26:07Speaker 05

  Alright, thank you. Alright, I have to write down what I want to talk about.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  Wait, Kevin, what's Kevin's last name?

• 1:26:14Speaker 05

  Zimmerman, Z-I-M-M-E-R-M-A-N. He's from Madison, northeast Ohio.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  Okay, and where is Steven Campbell from, New York?

• 1:26:22Speaker 05

  Yes, Long Island, New York.

• 1:26:23Speaker 04

  Geez. Oh, my god.

• 1:26:26Speaker 05

  I see, I have, I just, I know I have this feeling that something's gonna happen, like, with all these people reaching out, it like, makes me feel like, um...

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  Like, you remember that one guy who got arrested for murder? And he became like a model because he was just like, everyone was like loving his mugshot?

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah, it was hot. I remember that guy.

• 1:26:42Speaker 05

  He's an actor and shit now, like, I watched a movie with him in it.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  You did?

• 1:26:46Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:26:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 1:26:48Speaker 05

  It's called The Secret Society, it's good as fuck.

• 1:26:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, he was hot.

• 1:26:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 1:26:53Speaker 04

  Geez, no, he was arrested for murder, he probably didn't even do anything.

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  That's messed up.

• 1:27:02Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:27:12Speaker 05

  Okay, hold on.

• 1:27:16Speaker 05

  It's, I'm sure, so yeah, we can talk about anything, like, what do you like to do? I, what do I heart to do?

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  And then, but music, or music, music.

• 1:27:35Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, did you hear anything last night?

• 1:27:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  I heard one going on, ten o'clock.

• 1:27:42Speaker 05

  I think I did, I just didn't get up.

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  That was Faith.

• 1:27:46Speaker 05

  Oh, I knew she was gonna come, I should've been ready, she was playing music.

• 1:27:50Speaker 04

  That was her, and they yelled, "Kathy!" I, I gave him your YouTube channel.

• 1:27:55Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:27:56Speaker 04

  And they were bumping music from your YouTube channel. They were supposed to be there at eight thirty, but he didn't get off until super late.

• 1:28:03Speaker 05

  I was probably asleep, but like, I swear I heard something.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  That's what I told her, I'm like, "She's probably sleeping, honey."

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:28:11Speaker 04

  Isn't that so, she's so sweet.

• 1:28:15Speaker 05

  Sorry, I love Faith.

• 1:28:18Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  I wonder who the video, the other one is with, how many of, how many of these messages are from you, like, the video chats?

• 1:28:27Speaker 04

  I think I have, I have two, I do my two nighttime ones, maybe. What do you have, what time are they?

• 1:28:34Speaker 05

  Seven thirty, like, your two, and then one at one, and one at seven.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Say them again.

• 1:28:41Speaker 05

  Hold on, after, I'm texting, I'll do it in a second.

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 1:28:44Speaker 05

  I usually, oh my god, we get calm today.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  I am so freaking excited for you.

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  I usually can talk every day, but the system.

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm so glad I remembered to tell you this. Please for sentencing, I want you to bring me my, um, dime girl shirt. I want to wear that while I'm being sentenced.

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:29:14Speaker 05

  And I want to wear my black juicy tracksuit.

• 1:29:19Speaker 05

  With my dime girl shirt.

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:29:23Speaker 05

  I mean, what does it even matter? I mean, she already had her opinion on me the whole time, so I'm wearing my Dom shirt.

• 1:29:29Speaker 04

  Black juicy and... Oh, okay, that's what you got arrested in actually, right?

• 1:29:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  Okay. Because that's in the bag. I'm like, I know where that is, that's all in that bag.

• 1:29:41Speaker 04

  Okay, I can't believe I said that friggin' sentence.

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  People are so gross. Like, um, the judge that's doing Trump's case, um, she's getting threatening letters from people that if Trump's not elected in 2024, they're going to come to her house and kill her. Like, people are so gross. Social media just... I hope this-

• 1:30:02Speaker 05

  I wonder what Dom would think about this.

• 1:30:05Speaker 04

  With you? Or Trump?

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  Trump.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  You know he would totally be on Trump's side.

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:30:13Speaker 04

  Because he's businessman.

• 1:30:15Speaker 05

  He's a good businessman, what can I say?

• 1:30:18Speaker 04

  What the heck?

• 1:30:21Speaker 04

  He would totally be.

• 1:30:23Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, this is so annoying.

• 1:30:28Speaker 05

  Oh, hold on, I'm gonna... I have one at 1:35, 7 o'clock, 7:30, and 8.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe I do have one. Did I take calls in my time watch?

• 1:30:37Speaker 05

  I don't care, I like when I do it because then it helps us stay out longer.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  I think I did because I wasn't sure if the terminal was going to work. And that way, if it wasn't working, then a call would be on another one. You know what I mean?

• 1:30:47Speaker 05

  No, all my calls are on this terminal.

• 1:30:51Speaker 04

  Okay. That might all be me at the end.

• 1:30:54Speaker 05

  Oh my god, Steven Campo, that is so fucking funny. Like, that is so weird.

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  That's very nice. It's a little bit weird, so yeah, keep your guard up. So who else?

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  It's like, I'm forty, I'm forty-three, I know you're nineteen, 'cause it said it on the news. But I'm forty-three, so what's up?

• 1:31:08Speaker 04

  (laugh) Oh my god, and these people are paying money to talk to you.

• 1:31:12Speaker 05

  As they should.

• 1:31:13Speaker 04

  Wild. Wild. Oh, um, Paige texted me.

• 1:31:19Speaker 05

  Oh, bitch, everyone?

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  No, wait.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  Oh, um, Michigan?

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  I think so, because she's a mess, Kenzie.

• 1:31:29Speaker 05

  What'd she say?

• 1:31:30Speaker 04

  Oh my god, um, oh my god, it's so long, it's so long. She's been in your situation before, um...

• 1:31:41Speaker 05

  I know, she, I, we used to talk about it all the time.

• 1:31:44Speaker 04

  Yep, but she didn't get charged, whatever, we can't talk about it right now on the phone. Anyway, she knows that you loved Dominic with all your heart, um, and you saw yourself being with him, you know, all the way to the end of life, you know, and married and everything, grow old together, um, all you know, that Kenzie loves that man with all her heart, I'm so sorry. If you can please send Kenzie my number, tell her to call me whenever she's ready. I just want to tell her I'm here for her and I support her no matter what.

• 1:32:17Speaker 04

  So I'm gonna send her the information to download. Did you hear all that? Okay, we're approaching them.

• 1:32:22Speaker 05

  I love her.

• 1:32:23Speaker 04

  Mhm. And then Auntie Stephanie, um, Stephanie and Tiffany are posting, um, you know, don't believe the media, don't believe everything you hear, we're never gonna stop fighting, hashtag free Kenzie. Did you hear that part?

• 1:32:35Speaker 05

  Wait, no, I didn't hear it. Fuck. Fuck, let me turn you up, because this bitch is yelling.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  You have one minute left.

• 1:32:41Speaker 05

  And I'm gonna call, hold on, I'm just gonna call you back right now.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  Okay, bye.

• 1:32:44Speaker 05

  Bye, love you.

• 1:32:45Speaker 04

  Love you too.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  Hello, hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. To accept charges and... Thank you for using Securus. You may start the conversation now.

• 1:33:10Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 1:33:11Speaker 04

  Hey, punk.

• 1:33:13Speaker 05

  Oh, I got a message, um, what was I gonna say, um, from Stacy.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  Oh, yay.

• 1:33:19Speaker 05

  I love her. She was here before.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm glad. Good.

• 1:33:28Speaker 03

  I love that you can talk to these people, all your friends and everybody that loves you.

• 1:33:34Speaker 05

  Um, she said they have, she has letters for me and books that her son wrote me, too.

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Yeah, somebody else has a bunch of letters, too. Nicole?

• 1:33:47Speaker 05

  Oh, um, Nug, Nug Wife?

• 1:33:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's got some stuff, too. And I just said, well, don't send anything yet, 'cause just keep it. I don't, I don't know what's happening, so. Um, and everybody's stuff is still pending, and so you might get some more today. Roses and bolas, oh.

• 1:34:05Speaker 05

  Oh, I love Stacy. I got no sleep last night. I was so mad last night.

• 1:34:12Speaker 03

  That's her?

• 1:34:13Speaker 05

  Mom, it was so bad last night.

• 1:34:15Speaker 03

  She said do something to help her sleep?

• 1:34:17Speaker 05

  I, I don't know. What are they gonna do? Everything kept banging on the wall, like, shut the fuck up, shut up, like, yelling at her all last night. Like, she was so fucking irritating last night. Like, she was pissing me off so fucking bad. Like, I was about to freak the fuck out last night. And, like, she, first of all, she got to, like, like, talking to herself. Like, I don't even know what she was saying. She did not, um, I, I, I was up all night, just from her, from her.

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  Mm.

• 1:34:40Speaker 05

  Not shutting the fuck up.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Sorry. Did you get a pillow in there?

• 1:34:45Speaker 05

  Oh, I, um, using my blanket as a pillow.

• 1:34:48Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:34:49Speaker 05

  I have two.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Okay. I wasn't sure.

• 1:35:00Speaker 03

  Well, today I have to work from eight to four forty-five.

• 1:35:04Speaker 05

  Oh, that's not bad.

• 1:35:10Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, I did.

• 1:35:14Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:35:17Speaker 05

  I'm dead. Face last night, I was banging, she heard me banging.

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  I was banging loud as fuck.

• 1:35:24Speaker 04

  I know she didn't wanna leave. She's like, "I don't wanna leave, I just wanna set up a tent here and stay here."

• 1:35:31Speaker 05

  She said, "Once I started yelling, the people in the building next to us started yelling."

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  That was so fun last night.

• 1:35:41Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 1:35:45Speaker 04

  It was fun hearing you both scream at the same time.

• 1:35:49Speaker 05

  I was banging hard as fuck.

• 1:35:53Speaker 04

  I have a little picture, um, they FaceTimed me and pointed to the room, your room, and I took a little picture of them pointing to the room you were in. They said they could see you, but I couldn't see you in the photo.

• 1:36:05Speaker 05

  I'm so tired.

• 1:36:07Speaker 04

  Mm, but...

• 1:36:10Speaker 04

  I was having a good sleep when, you know, when you were in your room for a little while, maybe you could sleep.

• 1:36:17Speaker 04

  So, um, Lincoln's party, there was a huge thunderstorm, a tornado warning right in the middle of the party.

• 1:36:25Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  I know, but I still ended up having fun.

• 1:36:31Speaker 05

  Oh, you were?

• 1:36:33Speaker 04

  No, no, I was working, remember, I had to make up my hour. But, you know, the, the kids just were playing in the puddles and they were playing basketball and that and that stuff, so...

• 1:36:42Speaker 05

  Well, he's like at the basketball A and O.

• 1:36:45Speaker 04

  Oh, my god, yes, he's been obs- obsessed.

• 1:36:50Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 1:36:51Speaker 05

  I wish Da- Dom would've loved to play basketball with him.

• 1:36:54Speaker 04

  Oh, my god, they would've had so much fun. So much fun.

• 1:37:00Speaker 05

  That's so sad.

• 1:37:01Speaker 04

  So, I know.

• 1:37:05Speaker 05

  I had so much fun, like, playing with the kids with Dom.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  Mhm.

• 1:37:11Speaker 03

  I know, baby. Oh. Oh.

• 1:37:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, tomorrow should be my last day in my room.

• 1:37:23Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  And then what happens?

• 1:37:28Speaker 05

  Then I come out with general population. Based on their room a long time though, because like we have so many like people we have to come out like at different times, like.

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  But still on the seventh floor?

• 1:37:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:37:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  Hopefully I get moved though, I don't know though.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  I don't know. If you don't, that's really okay. I like that you're being protected.

• 1:37:46Speaker 05

  I, I don't like that. I don't.

• 1:37:48Speaker 03

  I, I know.

• 1:37:49Speaker 05

  Let me tell you what you think. I know what I think and what I would make my time easier.

• 1:37:52Speaker 03

  I understand. I'm saying I'm oka- I'm okay either way.

• 1:37:55Speaker 05

  I'm not, so. Did you ever ca- get a call back or no?

• 1:37:58Speaker 03

  Uh-uh. Isn't that lovely?

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know what the fuck to do, like. But the girl, uh, she'll be like, I can't deal with her. I really can't deal with her. Like, I'm going to freak out. Like, I don't know why they put me with like, pizza, she's a pizza, pizza. We like, eat it, music, music, crazy, easy.

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  Can you, um, move your room?

• 1:38:27Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  Like same floor, different room?

• 1:38:32Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:38:33Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:38:35Speaker 05

  Not like, no. I'm so irritated. Like, I like hate her so much. I literally fucking hate her, like so goddamn much.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  Hold on, say hi to daddy. Mama.

• 1:38:45Speaker 05

  Hey, Dad.

• 1:38:46Speaker 03

  Say hi to daddy.

• 1:38:47Speaker 06

  Hey, baby.

• 1:38:48Speaker 05

  Hey, Dad.

• 1:38:50Speaker 06

  Hey, baby. What's the matter?

• 1:38:51Speaker 05

  Nothing, I just woke up.

• 1:38:53Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 1:38:55Speaker 05

  I got no sleep.

• 1:38:57Speaker 06

  Why?

• 1:38:58Speaker 05

  Because the bitch in the room right by me just talks to herself all night and like is loud all night and it's so, like she does not sleep ever.

• 1:39:05Speaker 06

  I'm sorry, pumpkin.

• 1:39:06Speaker 05

  I don't like her.

• 1:39:07Speaker 06

  No, well, I'm sorry.

• 1:39:10Speaker 05

  Yes, I can get off.

• 1:39:12Speaker 06

  Well.

• 1:39:13Speaker 05

  The floor is shitty. I need to get off the floor.

• 1:39:15Speaker 06

  Okay, we'll see. I mean, we're gonna find out tomorrow. So, I mean, one more night, hopefully.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm nervous for tomorrow.

• 1:39:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, me too, pumpkin. I- I'm- I'm angry.

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  Are you coming tomorrow?

• 1:39:28Speaker 06

  Absolutely. Nothing will keep me away.

• 1:39:31Speaker 05

  Get all my friends and people to come tomorrow.

• 1:39:33Speaker 06

  Ah, we'll do the best we can, pumpkin.

• 1:39:36Speaker 05

  Alright, I love you so much, Dad.

• 1:39:38Speaker 06

  I- I love you too, pumpkin. I do. I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.

• 1:39:43Speaker 06

  I'm angry for you. I'm really angry for you.

• 1:39:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is shitty. I don't know.

• 1:39:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, you're getting a bad deal, baby. That's okay. I mean, you know how this is. I mean, the- the the strong- the strong school detective, he's an idiot. The prosecutors must be a- must- it- it must be a, you know, a- election year for him. I mean, they're- they're screwing you. I mean, that's- they- they had you on an O M V and they didn't do it. This is wrong. I mean, it's just fucking- it's fucking irresponsible. Uh, they- they both- the guy should be disbarred. The judges probably should be disbarred. Well, not this one, but at least the first one. Well, you know what I'm saying. Anyways, I gotta go because I'm gonna say something and it's gonna make someone's feelings hurt. Okay? Alright, bye.

• 1:40:29Speaker 05

  I love you so much, Dad.

• 1:40:31Speaker 06

  I love you too, pumpkin.

• 1:40:33Speaker 05

  Talk to you later. Bye, Dad.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 1:40:36Speaker 05

  Hey, Mom.

• 1:40:38Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:40:41Speaker 05

  I'm so annoyed. I can't believe that shit.

• 1:40:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was the most annoying shit ever.

• 1:40:52Speaker 03

  Last night?

• 1:40:54Speaker 05

  Yes, like she like-

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  But I just wanna be clear. Yeah, he was not talking about this judge. He was talking about the other one. But the other one even did like really good things. He doesn't know. He's just hurt. You know that, right?

• 1:41:07Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 1:41:12Speaker 05

  His opinion has nothing to do with me. That's just what he thinks.

• 1:41:15Speaker 03

  Right. Hold on, I'm trying to get my camera to say hello.

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  You hear?

• 1:41:26Speaker 05

  Oh, I have three video calls today, but it doesn't actually- I- I was wrong. It doesn't say who.

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, you have three?

• 1:41:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have one at nine, one at seven, and one at seven thirty.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  Oh. Okay, so those might be- oh, no.

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  Seven thirty, they might all be me.

• 1:41:49Speaker 03

  Cause they're all still pending, yeah.

• 1:41:53Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  Because everybody else is pending still, so they can e-message, they just can't video.

• 1:42:00Speaker 05

  Then why are they not e-messaging me?

• 1:42:03Speaker 03

  Uh, because they don't know that they can. I just told them that they might be able to.

• 1:42:07Speaker 05

  That's what Faith was saying. The ones that can, are. The ones that haven't yet, maybe they can't.

• 1:42:18Speaker 05

  Man, the hair I like is so long, this is no fit.

• 1:42:33Speaker 03

  She's making, making coffee, getting ready to go to work. Danny has to work again today.

• 1:42:38Speaker 05

  What time does she work?

• 1:42:40Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know, two?

• 1:42:42Speaker 05

  You said two?

• 1:42:43Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:42:45Speaker 05

  What takes three you?

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:42:48Speaker 05

  You take her to work?

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  Usually, if I'm not working, but I have to work, so Dave's gonna take her. And I'll pick her up.

• 1:42:57Speaker 03

  And good, we still haven't done, finished her sleep yet, so...

• 1:43:01Speaker 05

  Did you ever ask Jim about all my stuff at that, um, Dom's house? Can you guys try to pick it up?

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  No, honey, we just talked about that yesterday, remember?

• 1:43:08Speaker 05

  No, I know, you said they brought it up in court, which they did, but that doesn't mean...

• 1:43:12Speaker 03

  No, no, I haven't, I've said anything. No, you asked me about it yesterday, on the phone. No, then I haven't, no, not yet. But I'll look and figure it out, honey.

• 1:43:23Speaker 05

  You know, it's driving me so bad, how I told Angela, I was like, Angela, can you please put a picture of me, like, me and Dom in his truck, it? And the prosecutor was like, did you do that? And Angela was like, I did not.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  So...

• 1:43:35Speaker 05

  Like, what is wrong with them? Like, first of all, Dom didn't even like you, first of all. So why, I don't know why the fuck, like, everyone, like, Dom didn't even fuck with them much, it's like, acting like a protector of, like, like, uh, like, weird as fuck, like...

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  Well, he didn't respond, so that should've... The first time that that was not gonna happen, which sucks.

• 1:43:55Speaker 05

  That just pissed me off so bad. I've just been thinking about everything that they said. Like now it's just like starting to like, like come to me like what was said and shit. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, they're really like evil as fuck, like.

• 1:44:06Speaker 03

  Yes, they are. Well, they're hurt, too. It's just making it worse.

• 1:44:12Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying. They're hurt, but it's just like weird, like, I don't think like it's just like, I've been, please, please, I need to please her, please, please, I need to please her. Please, please, please, please.

• 1:44:31Speaker 03

  It's the whole, the whole family is just, I can't get with it because, oh my gosh, we just, but we ain't you. But every day with them, the things they said to you personally and sending messages of love and kindness toward everybody. I don't get it.

• 1:44:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, they would, they would like fight for me and shit, like.

• 1:44:53Speaker 03

  Yes, I don't get it.

• 1:44:54Speaker 05

  Like, what the fuck?

• 1:44:55Speaker 03

  We love you, you're safe with us, you'll always be part of our family. I don't get it. I don't get it. That's some, that's a level of evil I will never, ever, ever understand. Because why? They didn't have to do all that. That doesn't make any sense to me.

• 1:45:10Speaker 05

  Or they could have just not even spent nothing and just like, they could have went down our side or some shit, but no, they just wanted to be weirdest fuck, like.

• 1:45:16Speaker 03

  Right. Like, you didn't have to invite us into your home and, and your heart and say those things. Like, that was completely unnecessary. That, that's crazy, spigot level. That's crazy.

• 1:45:29Speaker 03

  I don't understand that part.

• 1:45:34Speaker 03

  That's messed up.

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Like, you didn't have to go out to dinner with her. You know what I mean? You didn't have to come over to house and drop off gifts for her. That's weird.

• 1:45:47Speaker 05

  It's weird.

• 1:45:51Speaker 05

  That's, I mean, it was completely unnecessary. I don't even know why, what kind of mental bullshit is that? Bullshit, you know, I hate it here. Like, I literally hate it here so much. Yeah, I know.

• 1:46:08Speaker 05

  Watch your- Like, I'm trying to, like, get the fuck, like, he's off, he's, he's, uh- One, one moment at a time, mhm. He's on immunity, he's, he's, he's off-

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  You have one minute left.

• 1:46:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. We can do it one more time. Oh, my gosh, did you get my message this morning? Huh? Did you get my email this morning? Hold on.

• 1:46:28Speaker 05

  I'm gonna call you back. Well, I have to log in, but, yeah, I'm gonna call you back, then log in and then tell you- Yeah, you can call me back one more time and then I have to work.

• 1:46:38Speaker 05

  I'm gonna reply when I'm off the phone with you. Yeah, of course. Yeah, don't even read anything yet. I just didn't know if you saw it yet. Save it, so when we're off the phone.

• 1:46:49Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, about to call? Yes! They're only two dollars? Yes!

• 1:46:55Speaker 05

  Two freaking dollars, yes. Oh, yeah, that's good. Holy shit. All right, I'm gonna call you back, um- Okay. Right now- Yes, I could've set up my card in the juvie thing on this app, too. I didn't know that. I went online. They said to go to Pizz.net, so that's where I went, which was wrong.

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• 1:48:05Speaker 05

  Hey, hey.

• 1:48:08Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 1:48:16Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 1:48:17Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:48:18Speaker 05

  I'm sorry, I thought you was- I didn't hear you.

• 1:48:21Speaker 04

  That's okay, what were you doing?

• 1:48:23Speaker 05

  I was talking to, um, my wife right.

• 1:48:25Speaker 04

  Oh my god, this phone is the way, so every time I can talk, then I hear myself talk, and then you talk.

• 1:48:30Speaker 05

  This phone's shittier than the other one?

• 1:48:33Speaker 04

  It's just the echo. I deal with it, it works sometimes too, it's really hard and weird.

• 1:48:39Speaker 05

  I'm reading Aunt Tiffany now.

• 1:48:41Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:48:41Speaker 05

  I said, "Hank, miss you guys, so much, so, so much." I can't- wait for your video call. You need to take screenshots when I'm on video call.

• 1:48:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh my gosh, a hundred percent.

• 1:48:55Speaker 05

  And get to post my pictures.

• 1:48:58Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:48:59Speaker 05

  I want you to post those pictures of me.

• 1:49:00Speaker 04

  No, I'm not doing- no.

• 1:49:02Speaker 05

  Why? Nobody knows. Or send some to Miss Kent. I want you, maybe send- send some to Miss Kent.

• 1:49:08Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:49:09Speaker 05

  Cause I'll be posing. Send her like the cute ones.

• 1:49:13Speaker 04

  From school?

• 1:49:13Speaker 05

  I should've been- yes, from school. Send her them. When I was thinking of- there's a camera here too, also, I think it- I think- can you see pictures on here? It's too late for that.

• 1:49:34Speaker 05

  Alright. We were trying to go to the gym.

• 1:49:37Speaker 04

  Oh, right now?

• 1:49:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, cause I- when we go to the gym, I can come out with like the other girls, so I wanted to go to gym.

• 1:49:44Speaker 04

  It's late. That's cool that you guys do it late.

• 1:49:47Speaker 05

  No, we can't go late. They said it's too late. We, um, bedtime here is nine thirty.

• 1:49:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:49:54Speaker 05

  Aunt Tiffany came to court, right?

• 1:49:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:50:02Speaker 04

  I'm going to go.

• 1:50:03Speaker 05

  Want to hug and smile so bad.

• 1:50:09Speaker 04

  H- I mean, do we ever get a private conversation?

• 1:50:13Speaker 05

  Um, I don't know.

• 1:50:17Speaker 04

  Probably not.

• 1:50:20Speaker 05

  I wish we did.

• 1:50:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:50:25Speaker 04

  You will.

• 1:50:26Speaker 05

  I said, "I love seeing you court. I want to hug and smile so bad."

• 1:50:31Speaker 05

  T- L-I-N-C. How do you spell the name? L-I-N-C-O-N?

• 1:50:37Speaker 04

  C-O-L-N. Ling poem, here's a silent L.

• 1:50:43Speaker 05

  ...L N C O L N. Helen, can I love him?

• 1:50:49Speaker 05

  Chris too. And... (laughing) He's probably so big now.

• 1:50:58Speaker 05

  That's crazy that all my friends are writing me. Tell Rosie, tell Rosie. I did, yeah.

• 1:51:07Speaker 05

  Who said they was gonna write me and what are they saying online now? Um, it's very quiet, can't be.

• 1:51:15Speaker 05

  Every time I was trying to look at the views, it's the first one was like two thousand views or two million or whatever and then, you know, five hundred and three hundred, two hundred, fifty, I mean, it keeps going down, down, down. It's very quiet and everybody's talking about this is bullshit right now.

• 1:51:36Speaker 05

  I need to tell you something, but I can't tell you on this phone.

• 1:51:40Speaker 05

  I know, I don't know how we're ever gonna do it.

• 1:51:45Speaker 05

  Breathe it to them easy, easy, easy, easy. Uh-uh. Okay, then yeah, don't. I would, but like, I don't know if like... No, just do it. I remember he was like, "I thought they figured it out." (laughing) I still don't know what she said.

• 1:52:03Speaker 05

  That's true, I will tell you. Now that I've been thinking about it, I think I remember what I said to you, but I don't know if I'm just trying to remember. I think you were right, what I, it was about seizures, 'cause I remember saying like, what if I... It was about a seizure, because they did, they got that word.

• 1:52:18Speaker 05

  What were you saying? Yeah, 'cause I was like, what if I, I think I was like, what if I had a seizure? I don't, I don't remember though, I think that's what I said, but like... I'm sure it was. I don't know. Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:32Speaker 05

  I mean, they could've asked me, I would've told them. Yes, that was so irritating and then they were like, "I think it is carny talk." Yeah. Yes, in court. I was cracking up and then I was like, I asked anyone if they, I asked anyone if they know what carney talk is and nobody, an officer in Cleveland knew what it was, but they couldn't figure it out. I'm like,

• 1:52:58Speaker 05

  like they're acting like I'm saying serious ass shit. Like I'm usually just talking shit when I'm talking.

• 1:53:01Speaker 04

  But it's like nothing. Right. And then I guess they said we were talking nonsense the other night. I'm like, I didn't even talk to her last night. But like they're still listening, so.

• 1:53:13Speaker 05

  They said that. I did not hear that.

• 1:53:15Speaker 04

  No, Jim had mentioned it to me or something. Maybe they were talking amongst themselves or something. I don't know. But every time we talk like that, it's literally just nonsense about other girls or shit, assholes or whatever.

• 1:53:31Speaker 05

  Oh my god. Hold on, I'm gonna, I'm, oh, I don't have enough stamps. How do I buy stamps? What the fuck?

• 1:53:37Speaker 04

  You just, what?

• 1:53:39Speaker 05

  I have to buy stamps. Hold on. Purchase stamps. One stamp, two sta- oh, stamps are cheap as fuck. I'm buying stamps. I'm buying ten stamps.

• 1:53:45Speaker 04

  Super cheap. There you go. For twelve bucks, right?

• 1:53:49Speaker 05

  No, no. Ten stamps are two dollars and one, five stamps are one, one dollar.

• 1:53:53Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Super cheap.

• 1:53:58Speaker 05

  Okay, I just bought five stamps.

• 1:53:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:54:01Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 1:54:02Speaker 04

  Who are you texting?

• 1:54:04Speaker 05

  I, I'm gonna text Faith again and be like.

• 1:54:07Speaker 04

  There you go. Yeah.

• 1:54:08Speaker 05

  I think I saw you.

• 1:54:16Speaker 04

  And then as soon as all your friends come in, you can start just texting them on your own, because you'll have their info.

• 1:54:20Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 1:54:22Speaker 04

  And then as soon as your other friends come in, or anybody else, you can just text them whenever, because you'll have their info.

• 1:54:29Speaker 04

  Right? Because now you can text Faith on your own.

• 1:54:29Speaker 05

  Do they get notifications? Do they get notifications?

• 1:54:32Speaker 04

  Me?

• 1:54:33Speaker 05

  When I text?

• 1:54:35Speaker 04

  Did you send me one?

• 1:54:36Speaker 05

  Were they waving?

• 1:54:39Speaker 04

  I said, yeah. I think so. Answer.

• 1:54:44Speaker 03

  How cute is she? She just got in her car and stood there in hopes that you'd see her. She didn't even know if you were there. So cute.

• 1:54:50Speaker 05

  If you yell, if you come close to the building and yell, I can hear.

• 1:54:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:54:55Speaker 05

  I hear music from cars, so if y'all are going, "Hey, gee!" Or like, if y'all get to bring a speaker and playing loud music, I will hear.

• 1:55:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:55:05Speaker 05

  Oh my god, this is the thing annoyingest, folks.

• 1:55:09Speaker 03

  So what was dinner?

• 1:55:12Speaker 05

  What do you mean? It was like rice and meat with beans and like tortillas with like rice. So it was like giving tacos, but like it was weird.

• 1:55:19Speaker 03

  Oh, you had to make your own? That sounds yummy, actually.

• 1:55:24Speaker 03

  What did you eat?

• 1:55:30Speaker 05

  There has to be hashtags in this bit. Oh, there is.

• 1:55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's above the three.

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  What did you eat?

• 1:55:40Speaker 05

  Uh, I just told you, I ate the, um, the rice.

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  Not the tortilla?

• 1:55:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I tasted this tortilla, but it was soaking wet.

• 1:55:48Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:55:49Speaker 05

  And I got these cookies. Means I'm freezing, gives me the Jesus.

• 1:55:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's awesome. You gotta take care of that one.

• 1:56:02Speaker 03

  But you had cookies too?

• 1:56:05Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, it was like these like little like Oreos, what they was like Oreos.

• 1:56:08Speaker 03

  These off-brand Oreos.

• 1:56:15Speaker 03

  I do love, I mean, you can see the city, though. That's kinda cool.

• 1:56:18Speaker 05

  Oh, I love looking out my window at night. There was a Browns game, I was staring outside. I seen like them cars. I would just, I always look out my window.

• 1:56:24Speaker 03

  I'm so glad you're on the road.

• 1:56:26Speaker 05

  So I stack all my books up, so I can like see out the window, and then I stand on my books. And I just like stare out the window.

• 1:56:32Speaker 03

  Good.

• 1:56:38Speaker 03

  And does the sunset on your side or no? Did you say that it did?

• 1:56:41Speaker 05

  I can't see the sunset.

• 1:56:44Speaker 03

  Oh, the moon? What could you see that day?

• 1:56:46Speaker 05

  I can't see shit. All I see is buildings. I see all the construction. Hold on.

• 1:57:05Speaker 05

  Okay, I can't see the sunset from a window that's like right in front of me. Oh, good. But I have to look at it, it's not in my room, but I'm gonna... Are we allowed to go over there? Oh, I thought I'd get in trouble if I went in the corner, and they would be like, "Get the fuck out the corner." Cause I was gonna look out there.

• 1:57:21Speaker 05

  Hold on.

• 1:58:26Speaker 05

  Okay. Hold on, Mom, I'm still here, hold on. Okay, yes.

• 1:58:37Speaker 05

  What is that?

• 1:58:41Speaker 05

  What is it?

• 1:58:47Speaker 05

  What is going on?

• 1:59:05Speaker 05

  How jealous, son.

• 1:59:09Speaker 05

  You're like...

• 1:59:12Speaker 05

  You're trying to be straight.

• 1:59:19Speaker 05

  What's the point?

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  I'm getting the bag. I love the bag.

• 1:59:40Speaker 05

  I like that. I like those. I'm about to get a big ass bag. I'm about to get an eighty nine.

• 1:59:48Speaker 05

  My mom put baby's forty dollars in the bag.

• 1:59:53Speaker 05

  I will buy shit today.

• 1:59:57Speaker 05

  Did they call the bag or like they just throw it off?

• 2:00:12Speaker 05

  What they did?

• 2:00:13Speaker 04

  Hello? Hey.

• 2:00:14Speaker 05

  Hey. Oh, they cut the phones, Mom. So after this is my last call.

• 2:00:20Speaker 04

  Okay. What, they cut the phones? What's that mean?

• 2:00:23Speaker 05

  They don't let you call after this. So this is my last call with you.

• 2:00:26Speaker 04

  Okay. Okay. Well, it's almost time for that anyway. Nine twenty-three.

• 2:00:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm glad you told me that. Oh, my goodness.

• 2:00:38Speaker 04

  Won't you have to go back in your room at nine thirty anyway?

• 2:00:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, what time is it?

• 2:00:42Speaker 04

  Nine twenty-five.

• 2:00:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Shit.

• 2:00:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:00:50Speaker 05

  Okay, I just sent. You must have liked the contact. Oh, that subject.

• 2:00:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's kinda cool, huh?

• 2:01:01Speaker 05

  I love this shit.

• 2:01:03Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:01:06Speaker 05

  Yes, I'm getting one out of my five stamps.

• 2:01:09Speaker 04

  What'd you say?

• 2:01:11Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. My heart. Oh, your face already texted me back.

• 2:01:14Speaker 04

  Yay!

• 2:01:18Speaker 05

  Always for you. I love you so much. I'm waiting to get through instead of a call at you. But I love you so much, Mom. Um, I'm gonna keep texting you though.

• 2:01:24Speaker 04

  I love you too.

• 2:01:25Speaker 05

  I think I can text you when the phone's cut off. I don't know though.

• 2:01:27Speaker 04

  I don't know either. I just love that you can even do this.

• 2:01:30Speaker 05

  I'll keep texting you though. But I love you so much, Mom. I'm gonna try to talk to you as soon as possible tomorrow.

• 2:01:34Speaker 04

  Okay. Pay attention to the board, because we got a video call in the morning.

• 2:01:38Speaker 05

  What time?

• 2:01:39Speaker 04

  Like around nine, nine thirty or something.

• 2:01:42Speaker 05

  Okay, I'm gonna tell my staff.

• 2:01:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:01:46Speaker 05

  I'm about to ask them how to do it. No, we're not gonna miss it. But I love you so, so, so, so much, Mom.

• 2:01:51Speaker 04

  Me too, Mom.

• 2:01:52Speaker 05

  What, you said nine thirty or nine?

• 2:01:53Speaker 04

  A little after nine, I think. Just check the board when you wake up.

• 2:01:59Speaker 05

  Alright, I love you so much, Mom.

• 2:02:01Speaker 04

  I love you too, baby. You sound better. That makes me happy.

• 2:02:03Speaker 05

  Have a good night, Mom.

• 2:02:04Speaker 04

  You too.

• 2:02:05Speaker 03

  Thank you for using. Goodbye. Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number to accept charges and consent to...

• 2:02:27Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 2:02:28Speaker 04

  Hey!

• 2:02:29Speaker 05

  I got my pod moved.

• 2:02:31Speaker 04

  Shut up!

• 2:02:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:02:33Speaker 04

  Are you on your new pod right now?

• 2:02:35Speaker 05

  Yes. I got it moved last night during red zone. I got my pod moved.

• 2:02:40Speaker 04

  Oh!

• 2:02:42Speaker 05

  So I don't have a window that sees outside no more, but like, Mom, I- I- I love like my new pod. Like, I love it. Like, I got a roommate. I got a roommate.

• 2:02:50Speaker 04

  Yay! Yeah?

• 2:02:51Speaker 05

  He's cool as fuck, yes.

• 2:02:52Speaker 04

  Tell me stop!

• 2:02:53Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:54Speaker 04

  Okay. That's good. So let me tell Daddy. She got her pod moved. She doesn't have a window where she can see outside anymore, but she has a roommate, and her roommate is cool as fuck. She loves it. She got moved last night. Good. So that's what- what's red zone mean?

• 2:03:08Speaker 05

  Or, we was on lockdown, I mean.

• 2:03:11Speaker 04

  Oh, why? What happened?

• 2:03:14Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't know. There was like eight fire trucks here last night. Like, I have no idea what happened.

• 2:03:18Speaker 04

  Oh. So, tell me about your roommate.

• 2:03:32Speaker 04

  Oh!

• 2:03:33Speaker 05

  We need to off, we like, you don't need it. She's so- she's a kid.

• 2:03:35Speaker 04

  Oh my god! Frickin' finally.

• 2:03:38Speaker 03

  Normalcy.

• 2:03:41Speaker 05

  Bubba messaged me.

• 2:03:43Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, him. Holy smoke.

• 2:03:50Speaker 03

  About your friend group, Kenzie, you got, you got some, you have some amazing friends, my love.

• 2:03:56Speaker 05

  Bubba, yeah, Bubba and Rosie, hold on, I'm gonna tell you what shit.

• 2:04:01Speaker 05

  I'm about to get iPad, too.

• 2:04:03Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:04:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:04:10Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 2:04:11Speaker 03

  Good. Did you, did Ja- Jada was freaking out. Did you respond to her?

• 2:04:16Speaker 05

  Jada? Yeah.

• 2:04:17Speaker 03

  She said she sent you two and you haven't responded yet, so can you just send her one?

• 2:04:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, hold on.

• 2:04:21Speaker 03

  Real quick and just make sure.

• 2:04:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, Bubba said like, I know my boys are mad as fuck.

• 2:04:37Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:04:38Speaker 05

  Like he's saying, I know the boys are mad as fuck up there.

• 2:04:42Speaker 03

  Of where? What the heck, what?

• 2:04:44Speaker 05

  Hmm?

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  What you talking about?

• 2:04:48Speaker 05

  About me getting sentenced.

• 2:04:51Speaker 03

  Oh, his friends are mad about that? Is that what he's saying?

• 2:04:54Speaker 05

  What?

• 2:04:57Speaker 05

  The boys, like Don and Davion?

• 2:04:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yes. Yes.

• 2:05:04Speaker 03

  Yo.

• 2:05:12Speaker 03

  So, did you have breakfast?

• 2:05:14Speaker 05

  I didn't eat breakfast. I just, I literally just got up. We're out till eleven and shit.

• 2:05:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:05:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:20Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:05:25Speaker 03

  What does your roommate look like?

• 2:05:40Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, wow.

• 2:05:41Speaker 05

  She's a kizol.

• 2:05:50Speaker 05

  She's a kizol.

• 2:05:54Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 2:05:57Speaker 05

  See, I'm gonna read what Bubba said, 'cause it just keeps like fucking deleting me. It said, "Yo Kenzie, it's Bubba. What's poppin', family? We're gonna get through this. Trust me, you got me and Rosie. We got you. We done put this motherfucker together like a puzzle. You feel me? We're gonna get you straight. I promise my boys up there mad as fu- mad as hell right now at these people. I know they are, and it's funny as fuck. The more I go through life, that me- the more I see me and Rosie shaping into you and Dom.

• 2:06:24Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:06:25Speaker 05

  It's crazy. We're gonna live on them. I'm trying to shape my image into Dave and Dom. They're gonna live on, I promise that.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:06:33Speaker 05

  Yes, I- but I keep trying to reply and it keeps fucking deleting me. Oh, and it's the twen- it's the twenty second of August.

• 2:06:39Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:06:40Speaker 05

  So it's a special day. I'm-

• 2:06:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:06:43Speaker 05

  But yes, I'm so happy I got- I got moved.

• 2:06:45Speaker 03

  Oh my god, me too. It was so late.

• 2:06:47Speaker 05

  Because tell me why last night, there was like hella fire truck out my window, and I just heard the girl in the room next to me, she's like- she's like, "Ahh, there's a fire." And I'm like, "Oh my goodness. Shut up, shut up." I'm banging on the wall, I'm like, "Shut up." Like, girl, like, if there was a fire, they would prob- actually, they probably wouldn't evacuate us, but I just told her that. I was like-

• 2:07:03Speaker 03

  I would hope they would.

• 2:07:04Speaker 05

  They probably wouldn't. I would- that's- I was scared last night a little bit.

• 2:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would hope they would.

• 2:07:09Speaker 05

  'Cause I was like, I smelled smoke a little tiny bit, but I don't know if I was like tweaking and making myself smell smoke.

• 2:07:13Speaker 03

  Oh, I wonder if there was a fire. Maybe there was a fire in the kitchen.

• 2:07:16Speaker 05

  I'm irritated as fuck. I keep trying to send this message and it's like deleting it.

• 2:07:21Speaker 05

  Oh, do- do all the video things work on here? All the video- okay, so I don't need to worry about video calls anymore?

• 2:07:27Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 2:07:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:07:30Speaker 03

  So, okay, so where are you on the phone now? In the room or out?

• 2:07:33Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't have my iPad yet.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  No, so you're out, like with the- the rest of the people?

• 2:07:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm in the pod. Tell me why I got on the pod and they're like, "I seen you on the news." That's embarrassing as fuck. And they was laughing at me.

• 2:07:44Speaker 03

  Why are they- what'd they say?

• 2:07:46Speaker 05

  Huh?

• 2:07:47Speaker 03

  What were they- why were they laughing?

• 2:07:49Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know. They just seen me on the news. And they was laughing at me.

• 2:07:54Speaker 03

  Wild.

• 2:07:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, and her. But I miss Beebe. She wrote me this letter and it was so sad, and she was like- and then she said something that I- like, it took this accident to make me realize, like, she- Beebe, the one girl that, like, Belinda.

• 2:08:10Speaker 03

  I don't know who that is.

• 2:08:11Speaker 05

  The one girl that knows Miss Cynthia that was in juvie too.

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought- I thought her name was Melinda with an M.

• 2:08:16Speaker 05

  No, Bee.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Oh. Oh, so she wrote you?

• 2:08:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, she wrote me a little letter and like she was like, if people smiling at you, at least she said something about like people smiling at you, don't mean they're on your side or something like that. I have to read it to you.

• 2:08:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:08:30Speaker 05

  And.

• 2:08:31Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:08:32Speaker 05

  And I, it took me like a long time to realize that.

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  Realize what?

• 2:08:39Speaker 05

  Cause like Ms. Russo would smile in my face and then like clearly she has like ill intentions.

• 2:08:42Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:08:44Speaker 03

  Man, sorry, Kevi.

• 2:08:49Speaker 03

  She had more than smile.

• 2:08:56Speaker 03

  Do that.

• 2:09:03Speaker 05

  What'd you say? Did you make that remembrance page? Why does it keep doing this shit? I am irritated as far as.

• 2:09:07Speaker 03

  Kevi, who was talking?

• 2:09:09Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 2:09:11Speaker 03

  Who's that voice in the background?

• 2:09:12Speaker 05

  She's got me like reason me date.

• 2:09:14Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:09:14Speaker 05

  She's, she's, she's, she's on reason me sex, she's a me see.

• 2:09:17Speaker 03

  Oh, that's cool.

• 2:09:18Speaker 05

  She's, she's, she's always just be look. He's a Lisa Kezer.

• 2:09:21Speaker 03

  Good.

• 2:09:24Speaker 03

  Good. She's gonna like you too.

• 2:09:29Speaker 05

  I'm off till eleven, so I have like more time on the phone than shit.

• 2:09:33Speaker 03

  Well, I have to work, so you can't, I gotta work.

• 2:09:37Speaker 05

  Well, anyway, I could.

• 2:09:39Speaker 03

  Uh huh. So you'll have to just deal. So let's, I gotta work at eight, okay? And then we have our video call at one forty-five. Um, so the, we'll kind of break up our day like that. And then you tell me what you would rather do, a video call or a phone call?

• 2:09:57Speaker 05

  Both.

• 2:09:57Speaker 03

  But, well, no, I mean, during the day. No, I wanna keep that video call. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep it like that, cause I wanna, I wanna see you and then, I see, we'll talk in the morning. I'll see your face in the midday.

• 2:10:09Speaker 05

  Man, it just cancelled me out again.

• 2:10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's annoying.

• 2:10:16Speaker 03

  That's annoying. Were you up when Danny was at school?

• 2:10:19Speaker 05

  When who?

• 2:10:20Speaker 03

  Why, why didn't you wake me up?

• 2:10:24Speaker 03

  I don't know, I was curious, cause she always wakes me up. I'm curious.

• 2:10:28Speaker 04

  Um, uh, uh, um. Oh, my gosh, so that had to been like, super exciting for you to say, "Hey, Kenzie, we're getting moved, let's go."

• 2:10:38Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 2:10:39Speaker 04

  That had to be exciting last night.

• 2:10:40Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I'm like half- I had such a bad headache last night, like, I thought I was gonna like, throw up, that's how bad my head hurt.

• 2:10:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:10:47Speaker 05

  And the- and the one staff comes up and she's like, "Shirilla, you're getting moved," and I'm like, "Thank God, like, thank God."

• 2:10:55Speaker 04

  Headache goes away, feeling great.

• 2:10:58Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 2:10:59Speaker 04

  Your headache went away, started feeling great.

• 2:11:03Speaker 04

  You still have a headache?

• 2:11:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:11:06Speaker 04

  Good.

• 2:11:08Speaker 04

  That's probably just from the tension yesterday.

• 2:11:13Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, why the fuck does it keep doing this shit?

• 2:11:16Speaker 04

  Ah, I gotta tell you something, but I can't tell you on the phone.

• 2:11:19Speaker 05

  Well, then, why would you just tell me?

• 2:11:22Speaker 04

  Because it's incredible, I- I'm either gonna find a way to tell you, or, um, well, it has to do with your angel number.

• 2:11:33Speaker 04

  Okay?

• 2:11:33Speaker 05

  Why can't you tell me?

• 2:11:34Speaker 04

  Something really cool happened, something really cool happened yesterday.

• 2:11:39Speaker 05

  Why can't you tell me?

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  Well, I can tell you, I can tell you without telling you. Okay, um, we went to go talk to somebody yesterday, kind of about everything going on, okay? And, um, they're- guess what their- their room number was?

• 2:11:56Speaker 05

  Twenty-two?

• 2:11:57Speaker 04

  Two, two, two.

• 2:11:59Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 2:12:01Speaker 04

  Can you believe it?

• 2:12:02Speaker 05

  That's so sad.

• 2:12:04Speaker 04

  It's in- it's- it's incredible, I got chills all over my body, and hair standing up on my- on my head.

• 2:12:11Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, why does it keep canceling my messages?

• 2:12:16Speaker 04

  I'm responding to somebody else's email, it doesn't, ugh.

• 2:12:19Speaker 05

  I really wanna answer Bubba, though.

• 2:12:21Speaker 04

  I know, but you can go back, maybe just- maybe it kinda burped the system, go to a different message, and then go back to follow up, maybe it'll work.

• 2:12:27Speaker 05

  I have other messages that I just haven't answered yet.

• 2:12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know, I'm like, yesterday was kinda rough, but she was in her room all day Sunday.

• 2:12:37Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I'm glad you can hear, you can just next to her, that's good news, I just want you to know, I love you, I'm thinking about you, we're all thinking about you today.

• 2:12:45Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:12:46Speaker 05

  Hey, I love you, you too.

• 2:12:52Speaker 05

  Heart.

• 2:12:54Speaker 05

  I can't believe that this had- believe what happened.

• 2:13:01Speaker 05

  Did you get that paper?

• 2:13:04Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:13:05Speaker 05

  Well, like, you know how you gave me that, like, letter before-?

• 2:13:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:09Speaker 05

  You got my number, though?

• 2:13:09Speaker 04

  I got, I got all kinds of stuff, yep.

• 2:13:11Speaker 05

  Okay, yes, it's just doing it on this one, so I'm about to just try to message on another one. And when I get off the phone with you, I'm gonna call you on a different phone.

• 2:13:16Speaker 04

  Oh, see, I had a feeling, okay.

• 2:13:19Speaker 05

  This shit's frustrating.

• 2:13:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:22Speaker 04

  I had a feeling.

• 2:13:24Speaker 05

  Yes, what, what are people saying on the news?

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  It's divided, Kenz, it's divided, um, a lot of people, yeah, a lot of people think you should've gotten, you know, life with no- the trolls, the internet trolls and the evil people, right? Think you should, you know, basically for all of your life, forevermore, ever, ever, ever. Then there's people saying, "I'm just sorry, I'm not okay with that, this just is weird and it doesn't add up, and I'm not okay with sending somebody for life for this, blah, blah, blah." Then there's other people saying, you know, "I know the family, I know who she is, you guys are wrong, you can't say thi- you know what I mean, there's those, there's that."

• 2:14:03Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, guess what my dream was last night? I just, sorry, I just, like, remembered it.

• 2:14:06Speaker 04

  Oh, that's okay.

• 2:14:07Speaker 05

  I had a dream that, like, I had, like, such bad dreams, that, like, I was, like, peeling off, like, giant ass chunks, but, like, it was ripping my hair out with it, like, the chunks.

• 2:14:14Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 2:14:15Speaker 05

  So, like, I was, like, having, I had a huge bald spot on my head, I was, like, that's what my dream was.

• 2:14:20Speaker 04

  Well, that's scary.

• 2:14:22Speaker 05

  So, are people reaching out to you or anything?

• 2:14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I got messages from strangers, then there's this one who posted this whole big, long thing, total stranger. She said, "I've been following this case, I just want you to know that I love you and I forgive, you know, I forgive you, Mackenzie, I do not think that you should be in jail." Um, I mean, it's so- hold on, let me, hold on a second.

• 2:14:44Speaker 04

  I was gonna mess it up, 'cause it's so long.

• 2:14:50Speaker 04

  She says, um, oh, can you hear me okay?

• 2:14:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:14:54Speaker 04

  My open letter to Mackenzie. First of all, let me say what you did is not okay, but you know, you know something? People make mistakes. We all made mistakes. The Bible teaches forgiveness. I forgive you, Mackenzie. The judge should have let you go. It was just a car accident. And some car accidents happen. I wish you the best of luck. I know how you feel. I'm so sorry the judge gave you 15 years. I will pray for you and I hope that your life will get better. God bless you, Mackenzie Shirilla. The Bible also teaches us to love the sinner, not the sinner. I love you, Mackenzie Shirilla. You've suffered enough. I want you to stop suffering. Jesus Christ will always be there for you. It's just sad society doesn't understand that mental health is a genetic disease. Mental health is not a crime. Your parents should have made sure you got counseling from a very good counselor when you were younger.

• 2:15:38Speaker 05

  I'm dead.

• 2:15:39Speaker 04

  I know.

• 2:15:40Speaker 05

  What do they think is wrong with me?

• 2:15:42Speaker 04

  Well, they, remember, they think you did it on purpose, remember? Because, I don't know.

• 2:15:47Speaker 03

  You have one minute left.

• 2:15:48Speaker 05

  I fuck.

• 2:15:49Speaker 04

  So I also want to say life is already tough as it is. So for all you people on social media attacking her, please stop. It's not going to make it better. It just adds the pain. Just leave her alone. She has suffered enough.

• 2:16:01Speaker 05

  Wait, I'm going to hang up and call you on another one right now. Hold on.

• 2:16:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:16:04Speaker 05

  I love you. Bye.

• 2:16:05Speaker 04

  Oh, love you. Bye.

• 2:16:06Annie Elise?

  Okay, so I'm curious to know what you thought about all of those calls. Again, I just think it's so silly that what her mom seems to be prioritized with is like being in the group chat, working the Instagram account. What are people saying? What, living in the comment section, giving Mackenzie a pass when Mackenzie is talking crap about people and being a bitch and kind of soaking it up. Almost like, she's one of the parents, I believe, wholeheartedly, who wants to be Mackenzie's friend more than Mackenzie's parent. And look, I don't know, maybe she was an outcast in school and like, maybe she had no friends. And so maybe she sees her daughter as the popular girl, the cool girl, and she wants to fit in with her daughter in that way because she never had that growing up. Possibly, who the heck knows?

• 2:16:50Annie Elise?

  But I think we can all agree that there was a very huge lack of actual parenting in this dynamic and relationship.

• 2:17:00Annie Elise?

  And that leads me into everything with her dad. I mentioned this a little bit earlier in the episode, that there's text messages circulating, several text messages as a matter of fact, from different days, where Mackenzie is asking her dad, "Bring me warm milk, can I have warm milk?" And that they're all in the late hours between, I think the earliest was around 11:30 PM, with some around 3 AM. So people are like, first of all, what 17, 18-year-old is asking their dad for warm milk? Who drinks warm milk? Who would be asking for it in the middle of the night? She could get it herself? Like, all of these things. So let me start, kind of, at the beginning. I understand why it is very easy to jump to conclusions and think that that is code, especially given the state of the world right

• 2:17:44Annie Elise?

  now. We live in a very sick-ass world where there is a lot of incest, there is a lot of disgusting things that happen behind closed doors, and 1,000% I can see where people would make that assumption. I, here's what I know, okay? I know that warm milk is a very popular thing, usually, yes, when you're younger, but to fall asleep. It helps you fall asleep. My mom actually used to give it to me when I was younger. I don't drink warm milk anymore. Let me just clarify that. I do drink regular milk sometimes. I'm like a cookie and milk monster sometimes, but that's besides the point. But it is a sleep aid, or it's a natural way to help you fall asleep. Now, do I think this 17-year-old,

• 2:18:24Annie Elise?

  18-year-old girl needed that to fall asleep? It seemed like she had plenty of medications and natural remedies at her disposal to help her sleep, whether that be weed, drugs, other things, who knows, alcohol, whatever. But I don't believe, and I could totally be wrong, I don't believe that this was code for them sleeping together. And I could be wrong, maybe I'll be eating my words in a few weeks, who knows? I do think that it's possible that it was code for something else, maybe blunt, maybe something else, because it also has heavily been insinuated, and I'm just gonna clarify, this is speculation, not proof, but that Dom, we know that Dom, you know, allegedly was dealing in a facilitator of weed.

• 2:19:10Annie Elise?

  And things like that. It's been alleged that he was also Steve Sharilla McKenzie's father's plug and that that's how Steve would get weed and that that's why he didn't really care that she was hanging out with Dom or that she was smoking and that it was kind of like all in the family in that regard. So could it have been code for blunt or for weed? Could it have been code for something? Possibly. Who knows? I don't, I, it is hard for me to understand why she would just be um asking for warm milk in the middle of the night so many times and again unless like she is truly like this is a big facade and she acts tough and she's really not. I mean, we know that she stole the primary bedroom from her parents. We know that she moved out before she was even 18. We know that she didn't have any rules, dressed like a little

• 2:19:54Annie Elise?

  hoochie, like had no repercussions ever that even when she was a mean girl at school and got caught for that, her dad believed her through and through and was like, all, all I needed you to say was that you didn't do it and I side with my daughter, which it's like that kind of blind loyalty when you're a parent, mm-mm, doesn't really fly. You have to actually investigate the situation and make sure you're raising a good human. So my point is, I, I, I, sorry, I sidetracked a little bit. So also, people are saying when she would order her drinks, she did it as dairy free. Now, I don't know, I don't drink Starbucks, I don't drink coffee much. I don't know what it means when you get oat milk, almond milk versus cow milk, all of that. It could maybe she did dairy free because she had a dairy allergy and that,

• 2:20:39Annie Elise?

  and maybe it was a different kind of milk and maybe she's not going to say to her dad, bring me up warm almond milk. She's just going to say warm milk and he'll know. I don't really know. I think it's, I think there's so much hatred for McKenzie right now, rightfully so, that I think people are grasping at straws a little bit and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and, and they hate her parents as well. So like they're happy to drag them under the bus with them, which look, maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're listening to this and you're like, Annie, you are a complete effing moron. Obviously, there was something sinister going on between the two of them. Maybe you're right. But from what I have seen in true incest cases, whether it's consensual or non-consensual.

• 2:21:24Annie Elise?

  I just have a feeling that is not what this is and that people are reading a little too far into it, but that's not to say that it can't be code for something else, that there still was not a horrific dynamic between the two of them in regards to parenting and responsibility and again, raising her properly, but that's kind of where I'm at with that. So if anything changes, in my opinion, I will let you know, even though, like I said, I planned this to be the final episode on Mackenzie that we do, but that's where I'm at. And I've seen so many people tag me and send me like the screenshots, the TikToks, being like, have you seen this? What do you make about this? I had a couple of people come up to me at Crime Con 2, like, have you heard about this? I felt like I wanted

• 2:22:07Annie Elise?

  to at least address it so that you know where I stand on the issue. Like, I'm not burying my head under the sand. I know about it. I've heard about it. I read the text messages over a year ago, as a matter of fact, and I just don't think that that's what it means. But again, I could be wrong. So anyway, let me know what you think about the calls with Mom. Let's say this is, you know, a final stamp, cha-ching, we're done with the Mackenzie Shirilla case with the little asterisk caveat, unless something new comes up, or unless you guys are requesting something. So, thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for listening. I will be back on Monday with an all-new deep dive into a case for you, and it is a freaking crazy-ass case. Went down the rabbit hole on this one, too. So

• 2:22:51Annie Elise?

  make sure, if you're listening to this on the podcast, you are following the podcast so that you don't miss it. If you're watching this on YouTube, subscribe so that you don't miss it, or so you don't miss any future Mackenzie updates, if there are any. And if you also need more content to binge, as a reminder, I have a second true crime podcast called 10 to Life, 1-0 to Life, kind of like 20 to Life, 30 to Life, you know, but 10 to Life, and that's available wherever you get your podcasts, totally free, and we put out new episodes every Tuesday. So make sure you're following both podcasts, and you can go back right now and listen to some of those if you need more to binge this weekend. All right, guys, thank you so much, and until the next one, be nice, don't kill people, and do not get into a car. With Mackenzie Shirilla ever. Okay. Bye.