25 Quddus: How a Kid from Canada Inspired Millions

Our next guest landed THE JOB as the host of MTV's Total Request Live. While there, he got to interview some of the most famous artists of our time from Stevie Wonder to Jay Z. His path continues to evolve and in this episode of The School of Greatness we discuss the secret sauce of […] Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 25 with the one and only Kadeus.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:32Lewis Howes?

  Hey, all the greats out there. Thanks so much for tuning in today. I want to jump right into it. And I've got a great quote that starts today by Jack Welsh. And he says, "Before you are a leader, success is all about growing yourself. When you become a leader, success is all about growing others." And I really love this quote by Jack Welsh because leaders turn other people into leaders as well. But it's all about self-discovery and continual growth every single day, every single week and month. You can't stop growing. Once you stop growing, you stop leading, you stop living.

• 1:14Lewis Howes?

  So you've got to continue to learn how to grow, discover new ways to become a better version of yourself, becoming a better leader. That can be in your family, that can be in your, if you're in school with your classmates, if you're in a company, whatever it may be in your relationship, you've got to continue to grow yourself. And then when you become a leader, success is all about growing others. And the reason I wanted to start off with that today is because I've got my good friend Kadeus on the School of Greatness. And he is an amazing leader, done some great things with his career, relationships, community,

• 1:53Lewis Howes?

  charities, some amazing things. And in this interview today, we're going to talk about how he became one of the top

• 2:02Lewis Howes?

  VJ's on MTV and he was on MTV for I think six years after Carson Daly and really dominated on TV for a long time, interviewed some of the biggest celebrities in the world, musicians, entertainers, and he's done some amazing things since that stint on MTV, on TRL. So we're going to talk about how he got his chance when he was just a young guy out of Canada, how he became a rock star on MTV for so long, what some of the most interesting stories were of his time there while he was in New York City, hanging out with Jay-Z and Beyonce and all the biggest stars and interviewing them and learning about what

• 2:42Lewis Howes?

  their biggest fears were, what they had that other amazing artists did not have, how they discovered themselves. He's going to share some of these stories and some of these tips about what it is all these great artists had, all these great musicians had, and the common theme between each of them, and how we can all tap into that common theme as well. So I'm very excited about this. We also went into kind of a different direction and we talk about leadership towards the second half of this interview. So I think you're going to really enjoy this one today and please, if you do enjoy it, share it with your friends on Facebook and Twitter, give Kadoos a shout out online as well.

• 3:23Lewis Howes?

  I want to share a quick quote from the fans of the week. Loving all you guys out there who are posting pics on Instagram. You guys are posting pics every single day from all over the world. It's so inspiring. And I actually saw a picture from one of my good friends, old buddy of mine I haven't seen in 10 years, playing college football, actually up in Minnesota. He, his name's John Howard, he's Training Edge Sports on Instagram. He's up in Minneapolis area and he posted a pic, he was running a marathon and he posted a pic like every five miles, listening to a new episode. So I thought it was really cool. I think he got through like four or five episodes on his marathon and he just kept

• 4:06Lewis Howes?

  taking pictures and saying, "I'm listening to this episode with Shawn Johnson and this episode with Dr. Jeff Spencer is really cool." So shout out to John Howard, Training Edge Sports on Instagram. And also, my man Nicholas Kingo.

• 4:21Lewis Howes?

  He has been posting amazing pics. He's a male model, one of the top male models in Europe. He's traveled around doing some great things. He posted a pic of him listening to the School of Greatness, this time coming from Copenhagen, Denmark, in front of a cool statue. So, big shout out to Nicholas Kingo for you guys being the fans of the week. And the review of the week, really quick, been lots of great reviews. I appreciate you guys' feedback for things I can improve on, and also the positive stuff that you're sharing. Here's a quick review that says, "Listen and repeat. Inspiring and uplifting." It's by Kiwi Liz B on iTunes and says, "Check this podcast out. Inspiring interviews from a great range of unique people. After listening,

• 5:00Lewis Howes?

  you feel unstoppable. So important in life to have people around us that push us forward and make us want to be a better person." Lewis's podcast, "In My Ears," does that. Cheers and thank you. I appreciate it. Kiwi Liz B, thanks so much. I'm always bringing inspiring guests each and every week to share with you guys what it is that they know that the rest of the world doesn't know, and how we can all tap into our inner greatness. It's all about becoming unstoppable with what we want in our business, in our life, and everything else in between. And that's why I'm bringing you some of the best leaders in the world to share what they've learned, their

• 5:43Lewis Howes?

  experiences. I am pumped. Quddus is a powerful leader. He's an awesome individual, super warm and loving, and the stuff he's going to share with you right now is going to be awesome. It's going to be perfect for you. Thanks so much for coming in today, guys. Make sure to stick around to the very end, and let the class begin.

• 6:11Lewis Howes?

  Quddus, what's up?

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I'm feeling good, blessed. Feel real special, real special being at the School of Greatness, you know?

• 6:19Lewis Howes?

  Very excited to have my man Quddus. So, we actually did another interview like two months ago, and the audio went awry and went missing on my computer. So, we're doing another one. It's going to be bigger and better and even more awesome.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Absolutely. That was just rehearsal.

• 6:32Lewis Howes?

  It was a test. It was more of a hang session.

• 6:36Lewis Howes?

  Kadoos, for those that don't know, used to be the host of a show on MTV called T R L, which stands for Total Request Live, is that correct?

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 6:45Lewis Howes?

  And I remember watching the show because it was, I would watch it during the day a lot. It was on during the day, isn't that right? Like at noon or two, it was like a few times it seemed like where they would have replays or something.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, they might have worn that show out a little bit. Yeah, no, it was definitely the cash cow for MTV at the time. So I'm not surprised if they, you know, did it at nauseam throughout the day. But yeah, it was a good show. We were all proud of it, so might as well run with it. Milk that cow.

• 7:10Lewis Howes?

  You had it for six years, is that right? You were the host?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  I was there for roughly five and a half, six years, yeah. And then I left and got, got, got busy with different endeavors. Went to MySpace Records, got behind the scenes as an artist development guy there. And still dabbled in hosting when it made sense. I was a special correspondent for Access Hollywood, did a show with Nickelodeon called Dance on Sunset, and of course duets last year with ABC. But yeah, it was definitely the best time, being at MTV in my early twenties, just wilding out. Man, I was in New York City.

• 7:44Lewis Howes?

  You were the man of the, the hour, right?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  It was a bit ridiculous, yeah. And especially coming from where I'm from, I'm from Canada, modest, middle class, you know, at best, bringing, bringing forth that kind of level of pop culture-ness. All of a sudden it felt like it was a whole nother universe. So as you can imagine, it was a lot for a young twenty guy to, to, to keep up with. But I had a great time, learned a lot.

• 8:10Lewis Howes?

  No, I want to cover a few things in this interview, but I want to talk first about, and you can be brief as you want, the story about how you got the job. You've told me this a few times. I want everyone to hear just everything that happened leading up to getting like pretty much the dream job that you could have gotten as a nineteen year old. You were nineteen, right?

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I was twenty when I got the job. I, I was nineteen as things started to get interesting for me up in Canada. Cause I was, yeah, coming out of high school, I didn't know what I wanted to do. I thought maybe I'll be a teacher, maybe I'll play in the NBA if I get another growth spurt. I was very hopeful, didn't work out quite that way. But ultimately. I went to university like a lot of people do, not quite sure. Thankfully, I DJed in high school and I was decent enough on the turntables uh that a good friend of mine named Sam took notice and when he got a slot on the campus radio station at the university I was going to, he offered me the opportunity to come and DJ on that show. So that was a great intro into broadcasting. Although I'd never taken any

• 9:11Speaker 02

  kind of broadcasting course, I was my major in university, uh I totally ran with it because it was fun.

• 9:17Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  But what ended up happening as a result was uh, everybody around me started to really think about me in terms of this guy could do some things.

• 9:25Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  On air. And so when the VJ search was announced for Much Music, which is the equivalent of MTV up in Canada, uh, everybody around me was like, dude, you gotta submit for this VJ search.

• 9:37Lewis Howes?

  And you'd only done a little bit of DJing and school broadcasting.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:42Lewis Howes?

  Small radio show that a hundred people listened to.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Exactly. It was, it was a small, small thing, but it was a great uh Kickstarter, as it were. So when I got chosen as a finalist, nobody's really surprised, you know, but I was certainly a little bit taken aback, but went there to Toronto, you know, they flew me out there and all of a sudden I was on air auditioning in front of Canada for, you know, this particular slot. And it was wild. It was a great experience, but I was the runner up. Did well, um, but I was, I was still finding my way as a young man. Didn't quite know what my voice was, what I really wanted to offer up, didn't really have much swag about me really. Uh, but I did well enough that I was the runner up. Sure enough, it was the best thing that ever happened. And when I got the results, you know, live on air, I

• 10:28Speaker 02

  actually wasn't as crushed as you think I might be because I kind of felt in my core that everything happens for a reason. And sure enough, there was a TV producer over at a network called TV Ontario that I'd seen how I did with the VJ search and she was in development with a show that was basically like the young sixty minutes for this network, TV Ontario, show called Vox. And anyway, sure enough, I'd caught wind of them looking for a host to start the show and I went in, auditioned. She already seen me in this VJ search. She was already a fan.

• 10:58Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  And the executives that were with her deciding, you know, quickly caught on and next thing you know, I was doing the show called Vox. That was really what. The real catalyst for me to be able to find more of a voice and and and develop more on air and be more confident in front of the camera and all the things that I didn't really have in the fold of much music VJ search. And so it was awesome to do that for a season. And then a friend of mine from Ottawa, where I grew up, my hometown, he happened to have an aunt who worked at a small agency called the William Morris Agency. No, probably Deal. Anyway, I didn't know anything about the William Morris Agency or the business at large. Nineteen. I was like, yeah, I was eighteen, nineteen at the time. But he he knew that I ought to start really branching out.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  And and so he said, take this experience you have with VJ search with Vox, put together a reel, I'll get it to my aunt and we'll see what happens. So sure enough, I put together a reel, he sent it over to her. It took her like six months to actually pop that thing in the DVD player and give me a chance. But when she did, finally, she agreed with her nephew, Ben Berry. That's his name, Ben Berry. I'll never forget that guy. I mean, he he really did open that huge door for me. And so sure enough, you know, I went down to New York one time on a modeling trip because I was also modeling at the time. And that was the opportunity that, you know, this aunt of his took to set me up with a junior agent at William Morris, went in, met with him. After five minutes, he said, you're perfect for MTV. Wow.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  And sure enough, he got me a meeting with the talent development guy the next day over at MTV. And his name's Scott Benner. And as I sat there in front of Scott, you know, I was I was nervous. I was like starting to really kind of get the understanding of what I was stepping into. I had no idea really the grandeur of MTV at the time because I hadn't grown up with MTV. I hadn't grown up with much music. So anyway, I was looking across at Scott is a very stoic guy. He won't really, he's like a poker player. He doesn't really give you any indication of how you're doing. So I'm sitting there just excitedly talking about why I want to be VJ. He's looking at me like, you know. Stone cold face, yeah. Not giving me anything to work off of at all. So I didn't know how I was doing.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  I started developing dry mouth, you know, when you get nervous and just like talking and talking and talking. Anyway, sure enough. He said, "All right, let me put you on tape." And he had me read off these cue cards from TRL that day. I'd never seen TRL, so I had no reference point at all for the show, which I think kind of played to my benefit because I just, I did who I was. I presented myself without any sort of frame of reference for how Carson hosted the show. And so I think that's ultimately what they appreciated was the fact that I was just being myself. And I was excited and I was passionate. Anyway, so sure enough, two days later, I got the call that I was a new VJ. They chose me and next thing you know, my life changed.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  And I was on a beach in Key West, Florida on my first assignment with MTV. Next thing you know.

• 13:56Lewis Howes?

  For the summer.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, the summer beach house. I don't think they quite do that the same way anymore, but.

• 14:01Lewis Howes?

  I remember those though, because they had all these girls out there, bikinis. Yeah, that was like what I wanted to watch.

• 14:08Lewis Howes?

  Put this on, right?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, a lot of eye candy. And yeah, it was a good time. It was a trip. And a couple from Canada, like I said, having been raised.

• 14:18Lewis Howes?

  Going to the US, it was like living the dream.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Oh, dude. And what was crazy was that like my family at home couldn't watch it. So I was like trying to describe it to them and it's no way to, you just can't do justice to an environment like that.

• 14:31Lewis Howes?

  There was no YouTube then, there was no online video.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 14:34Lewis Howes?

  You had to be in the US to watch it, to experience it.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  By the way, I've never felt so old, talking about how there's the day when YouTube wasn't around. Oh, my God, yeah, yeah. I remember when the pager first came out before cell phones were prominent. And I remember being very resistant to pagers. I remember like being the guy would be like, "Oh, I don't know about that." People can reach me wherever I am, whenever. I like my freedom, thank you very much. But yeah, no, it was definitely another time. And obviously now MTV is a totally different network and has different priorities.

• 15:06Lewis Howes?

  It's more like reality show is what it is now, right?

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Totally, totally. And a lot of people, they make a point of coming up to me as someone who they recognize from MTV and griping about their, "There's no music anymore. What's going on? No music." Like, listen, straight up, y'all didn't watch it when it was on MTV and they made a point of. Exactly. Reality shows have just been rating better. And even now, you see like, you know, Fuse is struggling to really get viewership and. People are on YouTube getting their videos there and you know, you just gotta embrace the change and adapt accordingly and MTV's done a pretty good job of that. I mean, you can criticize some of their programming for being a little bit debasing, but.

• 15:43Lewis Howes?

  Oh, well. Now, what what years, what years were you there? What year did you start?

• 15:47Speaker 02

  I started in 2001 proper and then, yeah, went until January of 2006. So it was a great, it was a great run. I mean, I suppose for VJs, that's like, you know, that's a very long term, but um, it was so cool. I really did learn a lot about just ultimately how everybody is a human being, really, because I think when people think about the people I've interviewed, they always ask me, "Oh, my God, what were they like?" And I think, they think in idol worship terms and I'm like, "Well, you know, Jim Carrey's gotta go to the bathroom just like us." And, you know, it's interesting.

• 16:23Lewis Howes?

  Because you interviewed like, who were the biggest people you interviewed? You like Beyonce, Kanye and Jay-Z, anyone other than the sun, right?

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, everybody and everybody and everybody. I mean, Stevie Wonder was one that comes to mind that was tripping me out. It was one of those moments where I was like, "Okay, this is one of my personal heroes." I remember that was a big deal, especially with the buildup because TRL, they always gave me the assignment of who I was interviewing the morning of. But with this particular situation, they called me on a conference call. It was like the people who were running Stevie's label, it was all the executives from MTV, they're all on the call and they called me in order to give me the news that I was chosen to interview Stevie Wonder next week on TRL.

• 17:06Lewis Howes?

  No pressure.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I mean, first of all, I was wondering, you know, what if I didn't pick up the phone? They've all just been like, "Okay, we're gonna choose another VJ." But anyway, they sure enough had me in mind. And anyway, I was, I was totally honored because obviously Stevie is who he is. And then so the day comes and of course, I'm overwhelmed with emotion, I'm feeling nerves, I'm feeling excitement. And I remember coming that day, wondering if he was already there. Sure enough, he was. Then I was like, "Okay, well..." I think I want to meet him beforehand. I want to make sure like we get a vibe because otherwise we'll be on air all of a sudden. And I'll be like peeing my pants, wondering what to ask him. I won't even know how to act. So let me get a little acclimatized first.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  So sure enough, you know, one of my producers walks me over, introduced me to his handler, his handler introduced me to him. And I remember distinctly feeling like Stevie has obviously so many people getting at him at all times, wanting to get a piece of him. So he needs to be somewhat discerning. I remember him not just embracing me right away. Like I remember him like distinctly kind of like feeling me out, like I just, yeah, really kind of just keeping himself and just seeing what I was going to bring to the table, you know? Seeing what energy I was going to bring, what I was going to say. And I remember just being in reverence. I remember just being really honest about how I was feeling. I was like,

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Stevie, you've been here of mine and you know, I managed to be coherent enough to communicate my fan-ness to him. Um, and it was coming from such a genuine place that ultimately I saw his guard drop and ended up having a great show. Um, we went back and forth for the whole hour practically. At one point he pulled out his kazoo, started like singing a song for us and T R L, you know, and like playing and the whole thing. It was completely impromptu and you know, he seemed to open up and he, he talked at length. Like I am now. And um, that was, that's always for me the best compliment when I can connect with somebody to the point where they feel like they can just share and not filter themselves.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So that was a beautiful moment. But yeah, in terms of like how all the interviews went, you know, it was always so interesting to really see how, at the end of the day, these are just people that really made a point of going after what they love to do and confronting their demons and whatever, you know, kind of the limited beliefs that people tell themselves along the way. I can't do that. Oh, what do you mean? I'm not gonna, I can't rap like Jay-Z. Imagine if Kanye was sitting there when he was young, looking at Jay-Z, thinking about how, oh man, Jay, but Jay's from Brooklyn. So he's got credibility. He's got a story that Kanye could have easily said that, counted himself out, but instead Kanye was like, what's my story? You know, and everybody that I've interviewed along the way really has been a testament to that. So it's been cool.

• 19:53Lewis Howes?

  What did you learn about people the most through all the interviews? Cause you've probably done thousands of interviews. What is it about people that you learned the most about them in general?

• 20:03Speaker 02

  I feel like the people that rise to the top are the ones that ultimately want it more and are willing to put in the work. You know, people, you know, oftentimes say, oh, well, people that become famous, it's because they slept with this person or that person. At the end of the day, I'm not going to watch a show just because someone is uber famous on it. I'm going to watch a show because I'm getting value from what I'm seeing. I'm seeing a really vulnerable, powerful performance that makes me think twice about how I'm living as a human being. Or I'm watching Kanye because like his energy is just, but you don't get like that from just the cheap shortcuts, you know?

• 20:45Speaker 02

  And so ultimately, it's also having a certain amount of savvy in terms of the people that you surround yourself with. I've seen that be a pretty prominent theme that everybody that is particularly successful tends to keep really smart people around them, people that are also willing to challenge them. You know, I don't think yes men do anybody any favors at the end of the day. So I see that being a particular theme as well.

• 21:09Lewis Howes?

  You know what's cool to me is that you basically, what I liked about your story when you're talking about the interview for MTV, what's the guy's name?

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Duska Venner.

• 21:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Where you went into it basically not knowing anything about T R L or the business and really not being that much of a V G, I guess, at the time. And I think that's what gave you that success long-term. I think a lot of people in business struggle after they go to business school because they feel like it has to be a certain way.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:41Lewis Howes?

  But the people who go into like a new thing or new challenge, like with an open mind, just like, I'm going to learn everything along the way, those are the ones who get a lot of success because they're not like holding back with their beliefs. So they're not thinking that it has to be a certain way. They're just like, okay, I need to get to the result. How do I make it happen?

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:57Lewis Howes?

  It's like, this is how I was taught how to make it happen or, you know?

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 22:01Lewis Howes?

  So I think it's pretty cool. That you just got there and because you never saw it and you just had this energy and this passion.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think ultimately, no matter what your particular vocation is, it's important to know what you're getting yourself into. I think, you know, had I been able to do all over again, I think I would do a little bit more in the way of research, finding out exactly how the business works. And certainly maybe watching a little bit more of my contemporaries and seeing how that would be in reference to me. But at the end of the day, I think it really is imperative to make sure that you are innovating in your own way.

• 22:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  And finding your own lane regardless of what you're in. And I know there's, no matter what you do, a way to make it your own and make sure that you are not just some sort of a, you know, rip off of somebody else. I mean, I understand that mentality. It's not like I'm sitting here judging people that like, look and study people to see what they can assimilate into their own presentations. But at the end of the day, like, there's nothing more exciting than an artist who's not afraid to break ground. Like Kanye, say what you want about him, but every album, the guy takes risks. The guy sonically pushes himself to figure out different ways to make things sound more epic, more whatever it is.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  And, you know, there's, there's people like that in every industry that are just completely determined to add something different to the conversation.

• 23:29Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  And that's really been lately, what I've been almost obsessed about, is figuring out what I can do in this scope of entertainment that will change the game. And ultimately, it's actually led me outside of the scope of entertainment into workshops that really deal with something I've always been interested in, which is the, the human condition.

• 23:52Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  And coming from having a mom who's a teacher, you know, always seeing how she coped or didn't with the challenges of being a teacher. And then asking myself, like, what is it about our society that doesn't value teachers? And ultimately to see how even people I interviewed, some huge celebrities, are still painfully insecure.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  It all pointed to me to be the issue that's pervasive and very apparent, especially in the light of school shootings like things Sandy Hook, the theater shooting. The question is, what is going on in our world that people don't know how to deal with their emotions and navigate life in a way where they maintain a healthy perspective about themselves? I know personally, I was very insecure even as I was on MTV.

• 24:47Lewis Howes?

  It's funny how millions of people watching you and

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 24:50Lewis Howes?

  celebrities hanging out with you and why do you think you were insecure?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  You know what? To get deep, real quick.

• 24:57Lewis Howes?

  Let's get there.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  I mean, I love my parents, but they dealt with a certain way they were raised. And sometimes it's hard to break the cycle.

• 25:08Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  And parents are always doing the best they can. So that being said, the best they can is informed by the way their parents raised them. So if their parents raised them a certain way, unless they are able to somehow snap out of that change, yeah, which is very rare, unfortunately, in our society to be able to break the cycle, do the work, independent workshops, whatever therapy, whatever have you, to really get perspective.

• 25:37Lewis Howes?

  Torship.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Oh, it's huge. It's so, you know, for me, I look back on my childhood and I, you know, I see how um my parents raised me and I won't get too into it, but certainly my father was a certain way, you know, and my mother was a certain way, loving as she could be, but there was a certain dynamic there. So ultimately, it left me feeling like I could never be enough.

• 26:03Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  And I mean, you know, so I went to MTV and while everybody was like, oh, my God, you're there. I didn't feel like I was worthy of it.

• 26:13Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  I was questioning whether I was capable. Constantly. Wow. No matter almost what kind of feedback I got, it was never enough. And so I was always grabbing tapes of every episode. After we were done, I was going straight to the control room. From being on air, grabbing the tape, going back to my office, watching that tape back. And seeing how. I was analyzing the crap out of myself. I was like, how football players watch tape back like that. Replay, replay. Yeah, and you know, and you know what it what it oftentimes would be a great indicator of is that. It was never as bad as I thought it was in the moment that it happened. So I'd come off a show thinking, oh, my God, I totally bombed that.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Segment or that interview or that throw to a video, but then I watched the tape back and I'd be like, wow. That came off all right. And then ultimately, you know, my profile just kept getting bigger and bigger and I was, you know, all these magazines started writing articles. But none of it was enough. You know, it's interesting how, you know, human beings are coded from childhood. And it really takes something that is profoundly interruptive. In order to shift, and this, I'm just speaking from my perspective, it's been that case for me that I needed. To really learn some lessons the hard way. And ultimately, I needed certain friends along the way to make a point of saying, hey, you know. This is stuff that's I don't think working for you.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  And I'm sure as uncomfortable as all get out for them to bring up to me. And most people in my life did make a point of doing that. So it's also interesting to notice how often we. Enable people to just drift away in their insecurities. You can see it when somebody's not really. Living the way they could and. Authentically and come, you know, owning their their their power, their authenticity in a way that allows them to deal with things in a really. Great way. So it was for me, it was important for me to start to really aggressively look at ways outside of the entertainment industry. To build on that, that.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Notion, that uh observation that I had about myself and the world around me. So now I'm like knee deep in incredible workshops, leadership workshops that have uh certainly empowered me to take my life to another level, to become a boss, you know, as opposed to going from like hosting job to hosting job and wondering, you know, when the next audition was.

• 28:40Lewis Howes?

  You being in control.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Me being in control and now having my own entertainment company and having different properties with different great partners and being in a different position altogether. But that came from like really looking at myself and saying like, wow, I'm, I'm, I'm, I am somebody who means something to a lot of people and like really taking that in.

• 28:59Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  And being like, you know what, I am good enough, you know? So it's, it's, it's definitely something that I'm sure everybody listening has had some iteration of it, you know? What I've learned is that no matter who you are, there are those questions at the end of the day. I'm sure even Barack lays on his pillow at the end of the night and asks himself.

• 29:15Lewis Howes?

  Am I good enough?

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Am I good enough?

• 29:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Look at his gray hairs. I mean, for God's sakes, if he was really at ease with all the decisions that he's making and how he's operating this country, you think he'd have that many gray hairs? Probably not. It's a level of stress that comes with not being completely secure, having the emotional intelligence to entirely be on top of things. And that's just human. That's the human condition that I'm still struggling with. But that being said, I have tools now.

• 29:41Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  That can really be depended on in moments where, you know, we go back to conversations that we had when we were younger. So anyway, in a nutshell, that's really what I'm excited about now is, is bringing that into a platform similar to how Oprah, you know?

• 29:56Lewis Howes?

  She does it for the world.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, there are people in the entertainment world that have managed to bridge this conversation that we're having to make it palpable and make it something that impacts people.

• 30:06Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  I think there's just, you know, never enough voices like that. So I want to put my name in that mix. And somebody the other day said to me, wow, you have the position, I think now to be potentially somewhat of like a Ryan Seacrest meets Oprah where all this sort of pop culture equity I've been building can be fused with now all this, you know, leadership workshop.

• 30:26Lewis Howes?

  I see that.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Type stuff. So it's exciting. I'm really excited about where I'm at.

• 30:30Lewis Howes?

  Do I see a show in the future or view a talk show type of?

• 30:33Speaker 02

  You know, um. Yeah, I mean, I think the sky's the limit. I think there's just so many ways that we can go about changing the world and I'm open to them all. I definitely think that there could be a younger, fresher version of what Oprah's been doing.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  And one that, you know, takes it out of the studio, you know, like I really want to do something that bridges worlds, you know, like I'm just coming up with this as we're talking, by the way, because I do feel like I'm just thinking about what is missing from TV that I would like to see. And I see certain people making a point of going into underprivileged areas and, you know, I would like to see more stars really getting open about their their lives in such a way where they become more relatable. And, and like for me, the Q side, which is a web series that I had with YouTube, we partnered up with Electus and you know, this whole premium YouTube channel rush that happened last year. And so we

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, right now we're developing it into a TV show, flipping it. But the big thing I wanted to accomplish out of the Q side was really to allow people to see these celebrities with a guard down and comfortable in their element, ultimately get to a deeper place. And I think I started to scratch the surface with it.

• 31:46Lewis Howes?

  But you didn't go deep enough yet.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, because, you know, there was still a part of me that wanted to people please and be really nice and be good enough, you know? At the end of the day, now I trust myself and I know that ultimately people want to be challenged, you know what I mean? I think that's what's exciting about shows like, you know, Jon Stewart and The Daily Show. When you go on Jon Stewart, you know, he's gonna ask you some really smart questions that might actually challenge you. And, you know, Bill O'Reilly, you know, not that I'm a fan of his, but the reason why he is so popular is because

• 32:15Lewis Howes?

  Challenges everyone.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Challenges everybody, takes a stand for his perspective, whether you like it or not. And finally, at this point in my life, I get that that's important, that's like imperative for the conversation to evolve into a place that's like really dynamic, you know? So yeah, that's where I'm at now with the Q side is looking at, you know, an opportunity to really break down this, you know, separation that we have, you know, oftentimes people really glorify these stars. I really want to break them down into like very relatable ways and bring them into their own element. And I think that's like where I was getting at with describing earlier, like getting into their past and really meeting their family, their friends that really informed them. And, you know, who knows what that could look like really, but um, that's something I'm in the interest of exploring.

• 32:58Lewis Howes?

  Kind of like a life class, like Oprah's life class.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

• 33:03Lewis Howes?

  And kind of family involved and stuff like that, yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And you know, I don't see it necessarily a tone that needs to always be like, you know, heavy and make you feel like

• 33:12Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  You just like cried through a whole damn thing. But I do feel like it's important to start to really uh, connect more, you know, ultimately uh, for people to see themselves on TV more is important, whether to be in the form of, you know, a really open, vulnerable star, really speaking from a perspective that doesn't seem, it isn't seen enough, you know, but then again, there are a lot of shows out there that I think make the attempt. So I just feel like at this point, I'm, I'm going to be able to execute that.

• 33:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  You know?

• 33:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, well, you know, it's, we've been talking about this off the School of Greatness, but uh, you know, I've been in some of the workshops you've done and I'm really appreciative and grateful for you opening me up to what is possible with uh, ourselves, what we can actually create from ourselves. And I do a lot of personal development and growth work on myself already, but going through a similar thing that you went through, it reinforces exactly, um, you know, that we should be more confident in ourselves and we should be having self-worth more and not be holding on to stuff from the past and having to control our minds and having us hesitate with things we want to accomplish, but really be more open, accepting, responsible, and just take more action and own it.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:25Lewis Howes?

  As opposed to play a victim more.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:27Lewis Howes?

  And I think a lot of people that listen in. Uh, sometimes they get stuck. A lot of people get stuck and the goal is to help them get unstuck.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:36Lewis Howes?

  And the stuff that we've been doing is really powerful and helping get unstuck. I think you've just got to look at what hasn't been working for you.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 34:44Lewis Howes?

  What has been holding you back and really take a look, is that serving you? And if it's not serving you, it's time for yourself to figure out some way to let it go, to accept it, be responsible for it, that you've been holding on to it, but then figure out a way to let it go and release it so that you can be more open, vulnerable, and inspiring and have more energy and passion.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:07Lewis Howes?

  Whether it's what the workshop that we've gone through, or something else, or therapy, or whatever it may be, you've got to figure out a way to let it go. Or if you can do it on your own, great. Whatever it is, that's one of the biggest challenges for a lot of people is their own walls or their own boundaries, their own limitations on themselves. And once we break through that, the possibilities are endless.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  So it comes down to, it's really like taking on that commitment to evolving yourself. But see, what I've found is that, sure, some people, the exceptional, can do it on their own.

• 35:40Lewis Howes?

  It's tough.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  But people have blind spots.

• 35:43Lewis Howes?

  Oh, so many.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had tons. Oh my God. And ultimately, you need people that can really

• 35:50Lewis Howes?

  Call you out on your crap.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Call you out on your stuff in a powerful way.

• 35:54Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  And then ultimately, you know, this course that we did, it's a breakthrough course that really continues into a curriculum. You know, it's an emotional intelligence course that then evolves into a leadership course.

• 36:06Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  So then ultimately, once you get rid of all the stuff that's not working for you, that has been, you know, embedded in you from childhood or whatever have you, bad experiences, whatever it may be. And then next thing you know, you're coming from a place of complete empowerment.

• 36:21Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  And then life is your oyster. It's just completely up to you what you want to create out of it.

• 36:28Lewis Howes?

  I feel so like blessed and free, you know, from the stuff that I was always holding on to.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:34Lewis Howes?

  A lot of stuff that happened as a kid that I used to just feel like it was a part of me and that I had to hold on to and that I was never like good enough or worthy enough, probably similar stuff that you went through that you always thought you weren't good enough, whatever it may be with your parents or experience that you had. And once we let go of that stuff, it's like so powerful what we can create and how Relaxed, we can feel.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. It's so funny. It's so funny you say that because I was just taking that in the other day that like, since I did this breakthrough course, I have released so much of the control that I had over everything. I always felt like I needed to control everything. I was like this super alpha in so many moments where ultimately, there's just no release and like acceptance of what is no flow. You know what I mean? Anyway, so it's just been glorious to pop out on the other end of this thing and have so much more perspective. And of course, the learning never ends. Like, that's what's exciting too about like, yeah, and I've been fortunate enough to be invited back as somebody who is now facilitating these workshops. And that's a whole nother level of learning when you can really figure out how best to empower people.

• 37:41Lewis Howes?

  You become the teacher.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Oh, it's the best.

• 37:42Lewis Howes?

  That's when you learn the most. So, once you're the student, you learn like, okay, here's all the material. But you really don't learn until you teach everyone.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 37:50Lewis Howes?

  And there's a new, every time you're faced with a new person, you're able to teach something new.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:54Lewis Howes?

  And then learn something new.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:56Lewis Howes?

  And I find this when I'm, you know, coaching people in business and marketing and teaching them how to double their business online. It's always a new experience, a new story, a new challenge that I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm learning something new every time. There's always a new obstacle that I need to get overcome.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:11Lewis Howes?

  So, it's very cool that you're you're teaching and facilitating now because you continue to learn and grow.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And the the person that's behind the company that does these workshops, they're, you know, in in the co-captaining position with me. So, they're the ones that are coaching me. And it's funny because ultimately, your ability to be coached, my ability to be coached and take feedback has been the reason why I've managed to keep growing in my life.

• 38:39Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  You know, if I felt like I got this, had some kind of chip on my shoulder.

• 38:43Lewis Howes?

  I already know everything on the band.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  There's just no way to grow. It's just, and I know people like that in my life and it breaks my heart because I see what's missing from them. And I communicate with them, but they're so committed to being right. And it's like, you know, at the end of the day, uh, somebody said something to me that was so profound. Oh, my God. The thing that has caused the most war and conflict and suffering in our world.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  Ultimately stems from somebody's need to be right.

• 39:12Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. I mean, it's probably the main cause of divorce too.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:15Lewis Howes?

  It's like each person needs to feel right.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's wild, man. So it's really, it's been, it's been really awesome to be coached. And when you consider that the greatest Tiger Woods, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, no matter how prolific they are, they all have coaches that they listen to. And you know, it's like when they.

• 39:40Lewis Howes?

  Once they stop responding and being open to the coaching, that's probably when they have their worst games, their worst tournaments, whatever it may be.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 39:47Lewis Howes?

  When they're humble enough to take the coaching, even when they're like, I'm the man, I just won 10 in a row, whatever, when they're still humble enough to take it and receive feedback on what they're not doing right. That's when they can stay at the top.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Oh, man, when I first did these workshops and I started getting feedback, every bit of my ego was like, F you, you don't know me, da, da, da, da, da. I was very resistant.

• 40:11Lewis Howes?

  I've been on MTV, I'm the man.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Exactly. What do you mean? My life works. What do you mean? Right? But like, it was only when I, you know, the core of me really knew that there was something to it. Like, I didn't, you know, bounce out of the training thinking I knew it at all. I, I sat there and I really started to listen, try to listen from a different place. Ultimately, yeah, it was my ability to like, open up and release the need to be right and see it from another perspective. Um, and it's changed my life exponentially now. You know, I've got love in my life like never before.

• 40:42Lewis Howes?

  A great girl I just met. She seems amazing.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Powerhouse that she is. And, um, you know, it's, it's funny. It comes back to, I think it was a line from a Common song, one of my favorite rappers, you know, he actually.

• 40:53Lewis Howes?

  Played basketball against him a few months ago.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, not a bad, not a bad player, right? Um, and so he said something in one of his songs about, well, this is from the perspective of a woman looking for her, her man, you know, so many people out there wondering, how is it that I'm going to find the person I'm, I'm going to really love and that will love me? It's only once you really love yourself and you really come to the ownership of the king that you are or that I am, then when I did that, she came along, my queen came along.

• 41:24Lewis Howes?

  Cause you were telling me for like five, six, seven years, you were just kind of dating around, but never really found something serious.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:30Lewis Howes?

  And was it partly because you never felt like you were worth it enough to yourself to to have something amazing?

• 41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it was like, I think part of it was, you know, feeling like this very antiquated notion of being a man that entails conquest, that entails, you know, things to brag to your homies about. And I wasn't one of those guys especially, but I certainly um didn't consider how important other aspects of a woman were. To me personally, I always kind of felt like I needed to be able to respect my woman. I needed to be able to um have a great stimulating conversation with my woman. And all those things were things that I I knew, but they weren't things I really acted on, you know, so ultimately I found myself dating girls that weren't really stimulating

• 42:21Speaker 02

  in those ways. Um, but you know, at the end of the day, I I look at myself now as a big part of that equation and I ask myself, well, hey, I attracted that, you know? And so a part of me didn't feel worthy to have that queen that did have all of those things in the fold.

• 42:39Lewis Howes?

  But you wanted, yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  And I wasn't clear on really, really wanting that. Like, I think, you know, part of me really didn't want to be in a relationship. And that's okay. If you're like in the twenties, you just want to explore and have fun and that's cool. And I think that's where I was to a certain extent.

• 42:52Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  And then a certain extent, I could definitely admit to being somebody who just wasn't really, you know, very clear in what was operating me, you know? Ego and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, I'm in a totally different place now. It's beautiful. I'm I'm in love with life and her certainly, yeah.

• 43:11Lewis Howes?

  Let's talk about vision really quick. What do you tell someone who has no clue what they want? Or they're like, I think I want this, I think I want this, I'm not sure, someone's telling me to do this, my parents want me to do this. What do you tell someone like that? How do they create a clear vision for their life, for their purpose, or their mission?

• 43:26Speaker 02

  I would ask them, what would you do if you couldn't fail?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  And what would really fire you up? And get you to jump out of bed in the morning? And just be so excited to get after? Nothing dealing with any kind of expectations on you? Just really, what would you do? Just take it way out of the box. Imagine like you've never imagined before. What's possible? Take away any conversation you've ever had with a teacher that told you were dumb? Or your mom telling you that's not possible? It's not realistic? And just dream? Just for fun. Right? It's like I would almost eject. I would eject like a game element to it. Yeah, let's just have fun. It's not even like a real conversation. Whatever. It's the game of like, well, choose your adventure.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  And then, once you start to really free up people's ability to play, you know? And like regain this sense of discovery and like what is possible? You'll never guess what comes out of people's mouths. You know, like I've sat in front of people who were successful lawyers? And they'll say, I've always wanted to be a painter. And I'll be like, oh, my God, yeah. Why not? You know? And then they'll come with all this societal conditioning that they've had. I understand. At the same time, though, it's imperative for us to always ask ourselves. I know certainly as someone who has done charity work? I've always, you know, found myself at certain points frustrated with like, what can I do to really change the world? But really, at the end of the day, the best thing that you can do for the world? Is make sure you're happy.

• 45:00Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Make sure you're fulfilled. Because your vibration, the way you interact with people is going to be on a way better level. And you're, you know, by osmosis, going to make the world a better place.

• 45:10Lewis Howes?

  It's funny, so many people go through life, never really living their dreams. And it sucks to not be able to see people really live? Because they're doing what they think they're supposed to be doing? And they're doing what they feel like they need to to survive. But uh, man, once they start living in their dreams, it's like their life starts to come alive, I guess, really.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Well, a word that you just said that really popped out to me was survive, because ultimately, people are in a survival context for the most part. And that's really the big distinction that I always want to remind people of. It's like if you take the survival out of your life, like, you know, if you don't need to do your work just to pay rent, if you can start to think in terms of, seriously, what is the life of my dreams?

• 45:59Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Start to unshackle yourself from that survival context, that fight or flight mode that so many people find themselves in, especially nowadays. You know, it's important, you know, because ultimately, if you really set your mind to it, and you really do the work to unleash yourself from these things that have been holding you back, whether it be in the form of a workshop like we did, you know? If you want to look into the one that we did, it's mitttraining.com. Uh, it's written out, mitttraining.com. Check that out, you know, if you're in the LA area, there's equivalent companies are doing it all over the world, you know, ultimately, it's on you to really figure out what's going to be the key. People find it in yoga.

• 46:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  People find enlightenment in meditation.

• 46:44Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Uh, whatever it is, find the way that you can really make sure that you are operating at a hundred percent, and then go after your dreams, because ultimately, you don't want to be laying there. I don't want to be laying there on my deathbed and think about all the things I could have, should have, would have done.

• 47:00Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  We only got this life to live, right? So, anyway. You know, I could, I could talk all day from a soapbox, but ultimately, I feel like as much as some of the things that we're saying, you know, have been said, people can never hear this stuff enough.

• 47:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Because you still see people not living the life of your dreams.

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  No. And it's like, what if, what if tonight was our last night?

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:22Lewis Howes?

  What would we regret?

• 47:24Speaker 02

  I would regret not bringing this stuff up on your podcast. There you go. Because seriously, you know, listen, there's a lot of different disposable entertainment out there. Yeah. That, you know, will distract you ultimately from the things that matter. To make you laugh. And I've been part of that, you know, I've been part, for years I've dedicated large amounts of energy to, you know, fluff. Yeah. And. Girls dancing around and music videos. You know, and I rationalized it, I totally did. And I said, oh, well, you know, it's giving me a platform. And that's, that's really valuable too. But ultimately, gotta balance it out. Gotta about, for me at this point in my life, it's imperative that like I spend more of my days. You're really making account with people. Living with purpose. Yep.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  And living your vision. What's your vision then? Man, my vision is a place, a world where everyone loves themselves and. Loves themsel- Loves, personally loves themselves and also loves people unconditionally, you know? And, cause there's so much, you know, it's so funny how, you know, I, I definitely feel like I lived in a world of things being right or wrong. Um, and that came from my childhood. Certainly my dad made a point of telling me when I was wrong. And he made me feel really wrong about it. And so of course, you know, as I grew up, you know, being unconscious to the imprint that that had on me. I constantly made myself wrong, made other people wrong, you know, spoke in terms of right or wrong.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  As opposed to saying, wow, like, the human experience is so vast, we're all learning, we're all along this journey doing the best we can. So for me to make someone else wrong, when they're probably just doing the best they can, given how they were raised. Would make me an asshole. Yes. And it made me an asshole for a while. And certainly some people, most people have told me they never really had that experience of me, but. At the same time, there was a level of disconnection about me that didn't really take that into consideration. So, I own that and I, and I love that I had that experience, that phase. Cause I can really speak to that and relate to that now in the work that I do to really empower people to step up.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's great, man. It's powerful. I love it. Well, we could talk about this for, for days. Yeah. But, uh, for me, this has been.

• 49:44Lewis Howes?

  You know, going through this type of transformation, this training has been amazing, eye-opening for me, and I feel unstoppable with everything now because I'm able to recognize and fully aware of all my stuff that does come up, and I don't have to hold on to it anymore. So, I feel unstoppable. I feel more passion. My voice is still gone from part of this workshop.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Major catharsis happens in this workshop. Let it out.

• 50:09Lewis Howes?

  I feel amazing, and definitely recommend it to everyone. So, feel free to hit me up on Twitter or Facebook if you guys want to learn more. Where can we find more about Q online?

• 50:20Speaker 02

  The Qside.com. Yeah, T-H-E-Q-S-I-D-E.com is the hub where you'll see some of the web series that we're doing now. We have a hidden camera show that I came up with called Hot Girls Get Away With Shit, and they do. And it's funny. And we also have, of course, the Qside that you can check out the archives of. And I like to post all kinds of different content and stuff that I come across that's really cool. I'm always come across really cool new music, and you know, you'll see all kinds of behind the scenes stuff that I get to experience and I always want to share with people.

• 50:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Instagram and Twitter, you post a lot of great stuff as well, so make sure to check them out.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, inspirational quotes.

• 50:58Lewis Howes?

  I am Caduce.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm on Twitter at I am Caduce, and Facebook, I am Caduce as well, and Instagram, I am Caduce. Yeah, so come connect.

• 51:07Lewis Howes?

  Well, I want you guys to post a picture on Instagram and tag both I am Caduce and Lewis Howes, where you're listening to this in the world right now. And also, leave us a thought. What was your biggest thought you took away from this? Maybe something you learned about yourself, something you learned about the world, something you learned about other people, but to share a thought on that picture and tag us both, because I'd love to see who is really listening and who's aware and who's receptive to this type of information. We'd love to hear that. And with that, any final words, my man?

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Oh, you know what? I think I've said enough. But ultimately, yeah, I really want everybody out there to realize that anything's possible. And I know it's like a Disney tagline, but really and truly, I mean, look, my life is a testament to it. I was just a kid from Canada who at some point was crazy enough to believe that I could do what I've been doing. And you know, now I am in a place where, you know, I'm hosting my own show and making stuff happen on every level and... Living the life of my dreams, you know, and I'm no different than you out there. So I would hope everybody really takes that on.

• 52:17Lewis Howes?

  Awesome. I appreciate it, brother. And until next time.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Peace.

• 52:27Lewis Howes?

  And there you have it, guys. Caduce, the man, the myth, the legend, is sharing his wisdom with you guys. I hope you enjoyed this. Please make sure to check out schoolofgreatness.com to see all the show notes and the stuff that Caduce talked about. It's all going to be linked up on the blog at schoolofgreatness.com. Be sure to share this interview with your friends on Twitter or Facebook if you enjoyed it, and post a picture of Instagram of yourself where you're at. Tag me, tag Caduce. Let him know that you're listening and what your thoughts are over on Instagram as well. And if you enjoyed this, feel free to leave a review on iTunes for the School of Greatness podcast. The more reviews you leave, the better it is because more people get to see the show.

• 53:10Lewis Howes?

  So I appreciate all the reviews you guys are leaving right now. It means so much to me. Makes me want to continue bringing you awesome guests. Stay tuned for next week. It's going to be a very powerful guest. You are going to love it. I'm not going to spoil the surprise right now. And with that, guys, thanks again so much, and make sure to do something great.