Pod Insights American Alchemy “I Saw a Mantis Alien At THIS American Military Base!” -Army Sergeant Lyn Buchanan About this episode Our American Alchemist this week is Lyn Buchanan
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
2:47 - Meeting Lynn Buchanan
4:44 - Poltergeist Kid Origins
5:34 - Frying $50 Million in Computers
8:16 - Recruited by General Stubblebine
13:39 - History of Psychic Warfare
17:20 - Remote Viewing Saddam Hussein
17:51 - Sponsors (CAPE)
26:21 - Men Who Stare at Goats
30:20 - Weather and Earthquake Weapons
33:28 - Deep State and One World Government
36:05 - Sponsors (ZBiotics)
43:08 - Alien Bases on the Moon and Earth
52:45 - Remote Viewing Gorbachev
58:53 - Sponsors (Shopify, Chubbies)
1:01:37 - The DNA Chart That Says Other
1:10:40 - Walking on Mars
1:15:50 - Worm-Like Beings on Mars
1:27:56 - The UFO Control Panel
1:31:20 - Rendlesham Forest Craft
1:49:07 - Buchanan's Own Abduction
2:15:10 - Remote Viewing Jesus and God
2:29:13 - Predictions Through 2050
2:39:12 - Predicting Chernobyl
2:55:26 - Outro (Join Our Substack!)
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1:02 Speaker 02 If we develop our psychic ability, we are going to be a power in the universe because we can see way into the future, anywhere in space. That's why our friends want us out there and our enemies don't want us off this planet.
1:23 Jesse Michels? You have experienced so much, both in the world of remote viewing. You are the inspiration for the man who stared at goats. Incredible George Clooney movie about a psychic spy stopping a goat's heart. So you must have had a very high clearance.
1:38 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, I had one of the highest clearances, not only for the remote viewing, but for other stuff that will never be talked about.
1:46 Jesse Michels? You remote viewed alien bases.
1:48 Speaker 02 The four major alien bases on the Earth. One in Mount Hayes, Alaska. Mount Zeal in Australia.
1:57 Jesse Michels? Secret mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona. Mount Inian Gani is another alien base. Have you ever seen humans and aliens working side by side in a non-remote viewing capacity?
2:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, one of the, what they call the insectoids.
2:16 Speaker 02 It was sitting in a row of humans that were at the positions, working some equipment.
2:21 Jesse Michels? Whoa, you've seen a UFO inside a hangar.
2:25 Speaker 02 That's where I came across this control panel and that's when I said, hey, that's out of a UFO.
2:31 Jesse Michels? So how do you fly a UFO?
2:33 Speaker 02 An impression of a hand on it, where you put your finger over the hole, controls the ship. The alien was there. He took me up front. He was the pilot. So I tried it and I learned how to do it.
2:47 Jesse Michels? People like you with high psi powers, elite level skill.
2:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:51 Jesse Michels? You can do a lot.
2:52 Speaker 02 We can change the weather anywhere in the world.
2:55 Jesse Michels? This takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level.
2:58 Speaker 02 The Russians look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their hearts.
3:05 Speaker 02 Our government was afraid of us. With the remote view, there's no more secrets.
3:15 Speaker 02 My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally.
3:21 Jesse Michels? Could you access me mentally right now?
3:25 Speaker 04 Ignition sequence five.
3:28 Speaker 04 How is this functioning? Nothing too much about that.
3:35 Speaker 04 Their existence cannot longer be denied.
3:47 Jesse Michels? Here with Lynn Buchanan. This is a total honor and I don't know if you know this, but this is a full circle moment for me because right when I started my show, I called Jeffrey Mishlove because I was a huge fan of his show, New Thinking Loud, and I need to still have him on as a guest. But he recommended I interview you and I almost did this road trip across New Mexico and so you would have been the first American Alchemy guest.
4:12 Speaker 02 Well, hey, that's, that's an honor for me. Well, it's an honor for me to be here today. Thank you.
4:18 Jesse Michels? It's an honor for me to have you. I think, without spoiling too much for the audience. You have experienced so much, both in the world of remote viewing and you know, you were stationed at Fort Meade and you are the inspiration for the men who stared at goats. This, you know, incredible George Clooney movie about a psychic spy stopping a goat's heart. And we can talk about whether, how real that is. But you also have all these kind of intersections with, you know, you remote viewed alien bases. You've seen a UFO inside a hangar, not just in some sort of liminal consciousness, remote viewing space. And so, I don't know, there's so many things. You have, you've had, you've remote viewed
5:01 Jesse Michels? political figures, religious figures. There's a lot to get into here. So I'm very excited to have you.
5:09 Speaker 02 I have lived in interesting times.
5:13 Jesse Michels? You have, and you are subtly referring to the, you know, Confucian proverb.
5:18 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
5:18 Jesse Michels? It's better to live in interesting times, which is actually kind of a Confucian curse.
5:22 Speaker 02 I know.
5:24 Jesse Michels? We live in interesting, but bad times.
5:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:27 Jesse Michels? It's true.
5:30 Jesse Michels? Well, before I have your remote view, hantavirus and you know, whatever's gonna, whatever's gonna come down the pike. I want to start with your kind of origin story as far as how you got into the remote viewing program.
5:44 Speaker 02 Most people look at all of the people who were remote viewers in the remote viewing unit and never ask what they did before. We all had serious military histories before that. I was in Augsburg, Germany. Ever since I was about 12 years old, I had this PK ability.
6:08 Speaker 02 Like a poltergeist kid. Do you know what that is?
6:11 Jesse Michels? No.
6:12 Speaker 02 A poltergeist kid is one of those kids where when they get emotionally upset, things fall off shelves and things like that.
6:18 Jesse Michels? So you were like Matilda?
6:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. And that's actually more common than people realize, but people grow out of it. And my mother encouraged it. And so I sort of grew into it.
6:34 Jesse Michels? You fried a computer?
6:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. In Augsburg, they had 12 different countries in that one facility.
6:48 Speaker 02 And they all had their own computers, their own computer systems and all that that didn't talk to each other. Well, I can program computers. So they put out this thing where they wanted somebody to program, to write a program that would tie all 12 computers together and get them talking to each other. This one other sergeant wanted the job. I wanted the job and I got it. So about nine months later, I had the program written and came the time to demonstrate it.
7:28 Speaker 02 And all the generals from 12 different countries got together and all. And I went to the bathroom to make sure my hair was in place and no wrinkles in my uniform and all that. And I came back, did my little song and dance for the generals and then hit the enter key to start the program. And the computer went dead. And I mean, I had tested this thing over and over and over. And they all started laughing at me. I turned around and the other sergeant was at the back door of the room and he said, "Gotcha," and turned around and walked off.
8:13 Speaker 02 He wanted that job and he was just waiting. I got flaming angry. When I did, the entire field station went down. There was an estimate sometime later that it was about $50 million worth of computers that just went bad, fried. And so for the next period of time, that's still classified, we were, everybody at the field station was.
8:49 Speaker 02 Going to work, taking their crossword puzzle books and all this, you know, making it look like to the Russian spy in the sky, like business as usual. Come to find out later, the Russians were doing the same thing and were in East Germany because it had fried their computers too. And so anyway, and this is documented by the way. So anyway, General Stubblebine, the head of the Intelligence and Security Command, had been looking for something like that. He got wind of it and he came to the field station to install a new commander.
9:33 Speaker 02 And when he came, they came to my desk and they said, "The general wants to see you." And I thought, "Oh crap, what have I done now?" And he installed the new commander. He and the new commander came back to the office and I was standing there waiting. And he looked at my name tag and he said, "You're Sergeant Buchanan?" And I said, "Yes, sir." He said, "Follow me." He grabbed me by the arm and shoved me ahead of him.
10:08 Speaker 02 Now, you walk behind the general. He shoved me ahead of him. We went into the new commander's office. He turned to the new commander and said, "I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan. Get out."
10:21 Speaker 02 You can guess what list I went to the head of.
10:26 Speaker 02 And I was there for another two months at the top of that list.
10:29 Jesse Michels? What list?
10:31 Speaker 02 Oh, the shit list.
10:35 Speaker 02 And anyway, about two months later, they got transferred to Fort Meade.
10:43 Speaker 02 And General Stubblebine wanted to put me
10:48 Speaker 02 as the beginning of a unit that would destroy enemy computers. And with the end goal of controlling the enemy computers so that we could make their missiles turn around and go back or drop into the sea or something like that, or put false information into the enemy computers. Congress said, "No, that's mind control" and wouldn't fund it.
11:17 Speaker 02 So he took me out to Fort Meade and had that remote viewing unit. He took me out there and put me into that. And when they read me on, which is where they, they give you a sheet of paper that tells you what the unit really does, not what they tell the public it does. And you read that and down at the bottom, you sign it. 10 years in jail and $10,000 fine if you reveal any of this. And so I read it and I thought, this is a joke. The army doesn't do psychic stuff.
11:58 Speaker 02 And come to find out they did. And that's how I got into the unit. They started teaching me the Inga Swan method. And I took to it like duck to water. I mean, it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen.
12:17 Jesse Michels? So Stubblebine, who's head of Army Inscom, is that right?
12:22 Speaker 02 Intelligence and Security Command, yeah.
12:24 Jesse Michels? Intelligence and Security Command. And he's looking for people like you with high psy powers.
12:30 Speaker 02 Yes, he had been for, for years, yeah.
12:33 Jesse Michels? So he's like, if we're in Stranger Things, you're like 11 and he's like Matthew Modine's character coming in.
12:40 Speaker 02 I guess, yeah.
12:41 Jesse Michels? Saying this guy has some real, real powers.
12:44 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I found out years later, I was at the Bureau of Indian Affairs in the cafeteria and I was sitting there and this Aussie officer came up from Australia, you know, and asked if he could sit down and I said, sure, you know. And so he sat at a table with me and started talking to me and said my name.
13:13 Speaker 02 And I said, how do you know my name? He said, oh, your picture is on the wall of one of our computer people. He said, you know, you're the one that knocked out our computers over in Australia. Yeah.
13:29 Speaker 02 Oh, I did. So, uh, so I was flaming mad that day.
13:37 Jesse Michels? Clearly.
13:38 Speaker 02 Very.
13:40 Jesse Michels? That's wild. Yeah, it's interesting because, uh, Stubblebine works with a guy named John Alexander. Has a long history with him. Yeah, John.
13:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:48 Jesse Michels? And Alexander always pops up where the paranormal is too. You know, when, uh, John Hutchinson is getting his effect, you know, like, you know, levitating objects in California.
13:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:00 Jesse Michels? Alexander's tasked with looking into it. Quite a host or a Pandora's box of different types of effects on the outer edge
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14:20 Jesse Michels? It's almost like there's this, uh, paranormal investigations unit within the military.
14:26 Speaker 02 Oh, there has been for a long time. Yeah. And it's been all subterfuge and, you know, hush, hush and all that. But that's been going on for a long time. Yeah.
14:39 Jesse Michels? How long has that been going on for?
14:41 Speaker 02 I would say since World War II. Um, when, um, I was in Russian school in California, um, Monterey, California, uh, to become a Russian linguist, uh, which was my method of service, MOS. Uh, I was officially a Russian linguist, um, intercept operator, uh, and with the caveat of technology.
15:13 Speaker 02 That was my military MOS. And one of the teachers came in one day and said that she had been in the Russian psychic warfare program. And she brought me some reading material in Russian from Colonel Igor Pankovsky, who tried to defect from Russia. And it said that Adolf Hitler had had a unit called Dr.
15:57 Speaker 02 Grunbaum in Germany, and that it did medical experiments on the Jews and all this. But one part of it was also psychic spying. When the Germans lost the war, the French, English, and the Americans didn't want any of this psychic stuff, you know? So the Russians took it, and they had developed it. Well, by the 1960s, we were losing classified information like crazy, and they couldn't find any ground agents, they couldn't find anybody.
16:41 Speaker 02 And that's when Igor Pankovsky tried to defect and brought the documentation that said the Russians had been doing that. Everybody had a laugh about that, but the intelligence service doesn't laugh. They don't laugh at anything. And so they said, well, if the Russians can do that, let's do it right back at them. And so they went out and hired Hal Podoff and Russell Tard, who were laser physicists,
17:19 Speaker 02 who had published a paper showing how the intentions of the researcher can even affect a laser light beam.
17:32 Speaker 02 And, you know, with the double Double slit. Double slit experiment and all that. So they gave them the
17:41 Speaker 02 an initial contract. They contacted Ingo Swann. Ingo Swann developed the methodology called controlled remote viewing. They started a remote viewing unit. And that unit had been in existence 10 years before I got there. Wow.
18:00 Jesse Michels? Yeah. And so you primarily worked at Fort Meade, is that right?
18:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:06 Jesse Michels? And you're going into work and you just have your fellow psychic spies at work. And what is this like you said at a cubicle? You're given targets?
18:13 Speaker 02 That's it.
18:14 Jesse Michels? And you gotta go?
18:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:16 Jesse Michels? But the targets are sometimes world leaders?
18:19 Speaker 02 Oh, usually world leaders, their plans and intentions for the day, for the next day of battle.
18:28 Speaker 02 Saddam Hussein
18:32 Speaker 02 never stood a chance.
18:35 Speaker 02 We knew what he was going to do every day. And in fact, you know, for the longest time, they were looking for Saddam Hussein. We knew exactly where he was. We turned it in every day. They knew where he was.
18:46 Jesse Michels? Did you ever personally remote view Saddam Hussein?
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20:32 Jesse Michels? Did you ever personally remotely use Saddam Hussein?
20:35 Speaker 02 Almost every day.
20:37 Jesse Michels? What was he like?
20:38 Speaker 02 He's crazy.
20:40 Jesse Michels? How so?
20:41 Speaker 02 He is totally crazy. Yeah. He 100% believed that God wanted him to rule the world.
20:52 Speaker 02 And that anybody who would stop him from ruling the world was of the devil and had to be killed.
21:02 Jesse Michels? Really?
21:03 Speaker 02 Simple as that. Yeah. I mean, he was crazy.
21:05 Jesse Michels? Delusions of grandeur.
21:07 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
21:08 Jesse Michels? It makes sense because when there was all this kind of chatter about Iraq having WMDs, weapons of mass destruction after 9/11, which was this bizarre conflation on behalf of the American intelligence agencies where like you had Al Qaeda, you know, hanging out in Afghanistan. And then you had Saddam who, you know, maybe there was this like long held grudge since Desert Storm, desire to take him out. But like, he wasn't connected with 9/11. If anything, he was an enemy of Osama bin Laden. But there was this implication that he had weapons of mass destruction. And he could have simply said, I don't have weapons of mass destruction and held some, you know, large press conference to that effect.
21:49 Jesse Michels? But maybe this makes sense in the context of this delusions of grandeur kind of psychology, where he just continued to grandstand despite not even having weapons of mass destruction.
21:59 Speaker 02 The world to be afraid of him. Yeah.
22:02 Jesse Michels? Was there anything else? I don't know, any other like random details about his life, like? Did he have, you know, did he enjoy some weird hobby that like you wouldn't expect like croquet or something like that?
22:13 Speaker 02 I was never tasked with that.
22:15 Jesse Michels? Okay.
22:15 Speaker 02 So I never really went into it. One of the things about the military, the US military remote viewing effort.
22:25 Speaker 02 We were strictly told to never use this for personal reasons, which was total waste of an order. But also, and we did follow this. We were told that it was a federal offense and we would go to jail if we used it against US citizens. And then the third rule was you will use it only for what we tasked you to use. Because, I mean, our government was afraid of us. Because, you know, with the remote viewing, there's no more secrets.
23:09 Jesse Michels? Can you remote view the Q codes?
23:12 Speaker 02 Oh, good. I've never been tasked to do so.
23:15 Jesse Michels? That's scary. And so what weirds me out about remote viewing is if you can remote view the Q codes and then you have these open source protocols, Ingo Swan's, you know, teachings on remote viewing are public. Your teachings on remote viewing are public. What's stopping some rogue Al Qaeda operative from doing that with our assets?
23:39 Speaker 02 To be totally honest, the, what we teach to the public is probably about one tenth of what we know about remote viewing.
23:50 Jesse Michels? Okay.
23:52 Speaker 02 There's, and Ingo, Ingo personally developed it through stage 18.
24:03 Speaker 02 He offered to teach me up through stage 11, but at the time he did, my wife was extremely ill. My mother was dying. I didn't get a chance to go up there. And before all that got over and settled, he had already passed away. So I never learned up through stage 11. But um.
24:25 Jesse Michels? So there are a lot of levels and there's
24:28 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
24:28 Jesse Michels? rigorous training to get really, really good.
24:30 Speaker 02 And all we ever teach to the public is states one through six.
24:34 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
24:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:35 Jesse Michels? Interesting.
24:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:38 Jesse Michels? Well, I'm almost wondering, like on the Saddam thing, I almost want to press on like, is there a detail you can share? That's counterintuitive where that, you know, most people wouldn't be able to know in kind of open source world. And then I wonder if that sort of, uh, you know, allows like a, you know, some random researcher or somebody who knew him.
24:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:57 Jesse Michels? To come out from the woodworks and then reach out and they say, oh, I can verify that. You know, this is something about it.
25:03 Speaker 02 Uh, not that I can think of. Um, we were, um, tasked to uh, remote view his facility that he had his, his own personal facility. And, um, the facility, of course, had no weapons or anything like that. And, uh, so for some reason, while we were doing that, because we had to draw maps as well, you know, accurate maps of the facility and of any target we did. And, um, there was something about the generators that got me.
25:47 Speaker 02 He had a little facility. He had his own generators to power the facility and all that. So he's totally off grid. And there was something about that. And so I mentally went in, you know, queued to move inside the facility and so that building and describe.
26:09 Speaker 02 And one of those generators just seemed wrong. And, oh, and I couldn't figure out why. And so I just focused in on that one generator, found out that it was hollow and that it would tilt back. And when it tilted back, there were steps going down into a weapons bunker that you wouldn't believe.
26:33 Jesse Michels? Wow.
26:33 Speaker 02 I mean, a weapons bunker that was, that was stocked fully.
26:39 Jesse Michels? So like a trap door?
26:40 Speaker 02 It was like a, it was like a false door. Yeah.
26:43 Jesse Michels? What sort of weapons?
26:44 Speaker 02 Oh, they had everything. They had rockets. They had, uh, lasers. They had, you know, bombs, uh,
26:51 Jesse Michels? So they did have, they did have an arsenal.
26:54 Speaker 02 Oh, they had an arsenal.
26:56 Jesse Michels? But no.
26:56 Speaker 02 He had an arsenal on his, on his private place.
27:00 Jesse Michels? That makes sense.
27:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was under there.
27:02 Jesse Michels? That's wild.
27:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:04 Jesse Michels? But no nukes, obviously.
27:06 Speaker 02 I didn't, uh, I was just seeing the physical things. I don't know.
27:11 Jesse Michels? So he just had all these sort of crazy armaments?
27:14 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
27:14 Jesse Michels? For his own little compound?
27:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:16 Jesse Michels? Probably big compound.
27:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:18 Jesse Michels? Fascinating.
27:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:20 Jesse Michels? Interesting. So, um, you are the inspiration for Cassidy in The Men Who Stared at Goats.
27:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:26 Jesse Michels? And in the movie, he stops a goat's heart. He kills a goat.
27:31 Speaker 02 In the movie, he did.
27:33 Jesse Michels? Did you ever kill a goat?
27:34 Speaker 02 I didn't do that. That was another surgeon and it actually happened.
27:39 Jesse Michels? No way.
27:40 Speaker 02 But I didn't do it.
27:41 Jesse Michels? You wouldn't have done that.
27:42 Speaker 02 Thing is, you, in the movie, you see him leaving in the helicopter. From what I've heard, uh, the guy who did, did kill the goat, experienced dying with the goat.
27:57 Jesse Michels? Wow.
27:58 Speaker 02 And it upset him so much.
28:02 Speaker 02 That in the end, he stole a helicopter and disappeared and they haven't looked for him since.
28:07 Jesse Michels? No way.
28:08 Speaker 02 And what he did with helicopter, I don't know. And but they said he's disappeared and they haven't looked for him.
28:15 Jesse Michels? So the guy killed the goat, felt some sort of symbiotic coupling of feeling with the goat, went through his own death.
28:22 Speaker 02 With him, yeah.
28:23 Jesse Michels? And then got so psychologically disturbed that he stole a helicopter and was never seen again?
28:28 Speaker 02 That's the story that I hear from the great pride.
28:32 Jesse Michels? Who was this guy?
28:33 Speaker 02 Oh, he was just one of the sergeants that was in the first earth battalion.
28:37 Jesse Michels? Wow.
28:38 Speaker 02 They were doing all kinds of stuff like that.
28:40 Jesse Michels? Do you remember anybody, like, did he have a boss or?
28:44 Speaker 02 Jim Shannon, yeah.
28:45 Jesse Michels? Jim Shannon was this guy's boss?
28:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, mm hmm.
28:47 Jesse Michels? Wow.
28:48 Speaker 02 I know how to do it. And I won't teach it to anybody.
28:54 Jesse Michels? That's a scary prospect. So you think teams of remote viewers can literally kill other people and animals?
29:01 Speaker 02 A single remote viewer can.
29:02 Jesse Michels? A single remote viewer can.
29:04 Speaker 02 And the scary part is it is so easy to do.
29:10 Jesse Michels? So that's freaky, first of all.
29:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:13 Jesse Michels? Second of all, I'm sure there are a whole host of skeptics out there who are saying, why are not world leaders dropping like flies? You know?
29:23 Speaker 02 Well, because you, you know,
29:29 Speaker 02 why are world leaders dropping like flies? Okay? Because we know what they want. We know what they're gonna do and all that. You drop one of them, you get an unknown in.
29:42 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
29:43 Speaker 02 And you have to start all over. The intelligence services have to start all over. No, you want to keep them.
29:49 Jesse Michels? So you think if somebody gets out of hand enough, like if you were to replay World War II?
29:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:55 Jesse Michels? Presumably if, you know, the Allies had this capability, by 1941 or two, they would have remote view tried to kill Hitler.
30:07 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, and Hitler was already working on this. The Russians, after they got all of this, had a woman named Nina Kalagina, who was stopping the hearts of rats and rabbits and things like that. And wound up dying of a heart attack, by the way. But she was already working on that. The Russians were working on it to have their troops be able to look across the battlefield and kill their enemies by stopping their hearts.
30:42 Jesse Michels? Do you realize this takes mutually assured destruction to a whole new level?
30:47 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
30:47 Jesse Michels? Goes well beyond
30:49 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
30:49 Jesse Michels? nuclear capabilities.
30:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:52 Jesse Michels? It's so crazy. So it's almost like the world's pretty locked down on a go forward basis. If you can do this at will, it's not just nukes. It's, you know, we might have pandemics. We might have sort of asymmetric, you know, bizarre attacks, which, you know, are horribly destructive. But the idea of all out war seems pretty hard if you can just at will decapitate, you know, your enemy's leader.
31:20 Speaker 02 And it already is. You know, the thing is, we don't need tanks and airplanes at all anymore. We can change the weather anywhere in the world. The Russians have earthquake weapons. They can cause an earthquake at Yellowstone that'll wipe out the center of the US. If they cause an earthquake on La Palma Island that's strong enough, the side of that volcano is already split off five feet. If it falls into the ocean, it's facing the US. If it falls into the ocean, 15 cubic kilometers.
32:01 Speaker 02 Of of land will hit the ocean all at once. And the US Geological Service has predicted that that would cause a tsunami that in some places would wipe out up to 26 miles inland on the east east US coast. And that's already known by the US Geological Service.
32:24 Jesse Michels? Are you worried about that?
32:26 Speaker 02 I'm not. Things like that would be so disastrous that I don't think any country wants it. And and like I say, mutual destruction, they do that to us. We'll destroy them. And no, I don't. I don't think it's a thing. But the whole thing is that now war is just a money making thing.
32:53 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
32:54 Speaker 02 It really is.
32:54 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
32:56 Speaker 02 Um, I mean, we fight each other because of the weapons we have. Why not take out the weapons manufacturers? We don't do that. There's too much money involved.
33:10 Jesse Michels? I want to get into the logical conclusions of what you're saying because this means advancement in remote viewing is sort of advancement in your ability to sort of control the world, you know, geopolitical landscape. Because I'll look at somebody like, you know, Trump or Kim Jong Un or some of these leaders. They might be more predictable than their detractors say, you know, their detractors say, oh, they're completely irrational. They're crazy, whatever. Maybe they're more rational than we think. But Trump kind of shoots from the hip. You know, I think some of these other leaders at times, you think, right? You know, they kind of go on these little, you know, escapades and adventures and and and act in discretionary ways. They're not just extensions of the bureaucracy.
33:55 Jesse Michels? And so to the extent that gets out of hand for any party that knows how to do this remote viewing technique. They can just sort of act out against that. I mean, because that's a scary prospect. Is there a defense against it?
34:11 Speaker 02 I haven't talked to this, talked about this to anybody. I may as well do it now. Okay. Oh, I have been in depth remote viewing this.
34:27 Speaker 02 Do you know the term OWOG?
34:30 Jesse Michels? No.
34:31 Speaker 02 OWOG, One World, One Government.
34:36 Speaker 02 We're going into space. Okay? And many of the beings that are already out there don't want us out there the way we are.
34:52 Speaker 02 And at some point, when we get into space, we're gonna have to have one world, one government to at least some extent. And if one country destroys another, then it blocks that.
35:13 Speaker 02 And from what I'm finding, the powers that actually are behind the governments and run the governments, uh, want us to have one world, one government to prepare us for space.
35:31 Jesse Michels? Who are the powers that are behind the government?
35:33 Speaker 02 I wish I knew.
35:34 Jesse Michels? But you're convinced-
35:35 Speaker 02 And if I, if I knew, I wouldn't say, it'd bum me off real quick.
35:40 Jesse Michels? I think that's probably the right, the right move. But you're convinced that our civilian leaders are not, that the front-facing leaders that we see are not the true power and go-
35:50 Speaker 02 Oh, they're the, you know, the, the man behind the curtain. That's, you know, like in the Wizard of Oz, yes.
35:58 Jesse Michels? And it's not just, it's, it's an actual Wizard of Oz or a mechanical Turk, to use another term.
36:07 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
36:08 Jesse Michels? It's not, okay, but it's not, it's, what you're saying is it's not just a bunch of guys in, you know, bureaucratic positions who are lifelong politicians.
36:17 Speaker 02 No.
36:18 Jesse Michels? It's, it's, it's a vital group that like has deliberate intentions-
36:23 Speaker 02 They're just organizing everything, you know, you know.
36:26 Jesse Michels? So like a true deep state?
36:28 Speaker 02 A true deep state, yeah. And it exists, but, um, oh, you know.
36:36 Jesse Michels? What makes you convinced of that?
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38:22 Jesse Michels? What makes you convinced of that?
38:24 Speaker 02 The viewing that I've done.
38:28 Speaker 02 And...
38:29 Jesse Michels? They must be... They must be more advanced at the psychic stuff. That has to be the way. I mean, if the psychic stuff is true, so like, let's just assume that it is. I think it is, but there are people out there that don't. Let's just assume that it is. I know you've lived it. You're so far past that debate, but let's assume that that's true. I think I love how so how many people hear that it's true and then they stop there.
38:52 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
38:52 Jesse Michels? The logical conclusion of the psychic stuff being true is a very different stratification of society itself. It's a different social hierarchy and it's basically the people who are most advanced in this stuff have to have the Archimedes lever of control.
39:07 Speaker 02 Yeah. Let me divert this whole conversation here to that. When they started the research on remote viewing, what they did was they would take your complete session and see how accurate it was. What we found out was that everybody has strengths and weaknesses. And so one person may get the color right all the time and couldn't tell you the shape of something if, you know, if, if they had to. Other person, other person will get the shape, but not relationships or sounds or something
39:52 Speaker 02 like that. And so everybody has strengths and weaknesses. So when I started, what 30 years ago was a database that I've kept ever since of viewers' work. And we actually go through perception by perception by perception, judging it against the feedback. If you have the police come and they say, well, describe the. Describe the getaway car. You need to know the shape, the age, and all that of the getaway car. I will look in the database and say, who is always right at color?
40:37 Speaker 02 Uh, now then, who is always right at drawing a pattern? Uh, task him with a license plate. Who's always right at the shape of a, of an object? Uh, draw me the car, you know? And, and, and so on. And by doing this, we can take the, uh, we can take 10 remote viewers who have an overall average of 70% accuracy. And by tasking them only with what they're best at, we can turn 95% accuracy into a customer.
41:21 Speaker 02 And doing it that way. Uh, but, uh, that's tons of work. And that in itself has turned into the proof. Cause you know, used to, they would say, show me your proof. Now they say, show me your data. And we've got the data. And, and so that winds up being the proof of the efficacy of the controlled remote viewing.
41:57 Jesse Michels? What's your biggest strength?
41:59 Speaker 02 My biggest strength actually is accessing people mentally.
42:03 Jesse Michels? Hmm. Could you access me mentally right now?
42:06 Speaker 02 Uh, wouldn't.
42:07 Jesse Michels? I'd be fine with it.
42:10 Speaker 02 No. Uh, um, I am on retention.
42:16 Jesse Michels? Uh huh.
42:16 Speaker 02 I'm not. Officially retired, I'm on retention.
42:20 Jesse Michels? Uh huh.
42:21 Speaker 02 And as far as I'm concerned, um presidential order 12 333 still applies to me. Oh, I do not access US citizens, period.
42:36 Jesse Michels? Yeah, cool.
42:37 Speaker 02 I don't do it.
42:38 Jesse Michels? Nice. Well, well, I guess we were getting into this stuff. Cause I, I'm a believer in parapsychology, remote viewing.
42:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:46 Jesse Michels? But I think very few people get into what that means for what society actually looks like and how it's built.
42:54 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
42:55 Jesse Michels? Because if somebody has some sort of vital team that's extremely like elite level skilled at these sorts of things.
43:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:02 Jesse Michels? You can do a lot.
43:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
43:05 Jesse Michels? And so like, it's funny.
43:07 Speaker 02 That's British understatement.
43:08 Jesse Michels? Yeah, right? Yeah, it is a British understatement. So, uh, you know, I hear you saying because of your remote viewing work, you're convinced in a deep state. I would assume the deep state would have to be like even more skilled and better at these sorts of things, right?
43:26 Speaker 02 Then like, really? No.
43:27 Jesse Michels? No?
43:28 Speaker 02 No.
43:29 Jesse Michels? So what, what are they better at?
43:31 Speaker 02 They just decide what's, they're in control. They decide what's gonna happen. Yeah.
43:36 Jesse Michels? But if you have like ultimate leverage over like psychic abilities, you're in control no matter what, right? Like.
43:42 Speaker 02 And they don't need that.
43:43 Jesse Michels? Why don't they need that?
43:44 Speaker 02 Because they're in control. What do they need it for? They get somebody who can do it.
43:48 Jesse Michels? Couldn't you stop them because you're, you know, psychic and you have like a team?
43:53 Speaker 02 I would not attack, you don't, you don't attack a gorilla.
44:00 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah. No, there's self preservation involved here.
44:07 Jesse Michels? You mentioned Ingo Swann.
44:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:09 Jesse Michels? Ingo Swann, uh, legendary remote viewer, long deceased, but he, uh, is, just has an incredible story. And he wrote a book called penetration where he talks about, uh, remote viewing, the dark side of the moon.
44:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, and Axol road and all that, yeah.
44:26 Jesse Michels? Yeah, and being almost abducted by what appears to be like a legacy UFO program, take it underground. Uh, really incredible story. Do you think all of that happened? And do you think he actually remote viewed alien bases on the dark side of the moon?
44:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:43 Jesse Michels? Really?
44:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:45 Jesse Michels? And what gives you conviction?
44:45 Speaker 02 I'm not all that certain about the details of the Axelrod story, but the bases on the moon? Yeah, they're there.
44:54 Jesse Michels? Have you ever remote viewed?
44:56 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
44:56 Jesse Michels? Alien bases?
44:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:58 Jesse Michels? And what did you see?
45:00 Speaker 02 Um, basically what they were doing and, uh, and their location and things like that. You're there, but they're not there, only there on the moon. They're on other places too, of course.
45:14 Jesse Michels? What were they doing?
45:15 Speaker 02 Basically what I got for most of them was minerals. They're just interested in minerals. Uh, nothing, no skullduggery or anything like that, nothing, you know?
45:30 Jesse Michels? Is the moon an artificial object, uh, sent here to monitor Earth?
45:35 Speaker 02 I don't believe so.
45:36 Jesse Michels? Okay. So they're just mining minerals on the moon?
45:39 Speaker 02 That's what I got. Yeah.
45:42 Jesse Michels? Interesting. What sorts of aliens were up there?
45:46 Speaker 02 I didn't go into that. Now, the alien bases, the four major alien bases on the earth. I did those in, in depth, but, um, the, the ones on the moon, I was just asked, you know, what's going on? Where are they? What's it look like and all that? So I did what I was tasked to do.
46:12 Jesse Michels? This is project 8200, right? Where Pat Price had seen?
46:16 Speaker 02 Pat Price saw, uh, the four alien bases and, um, they did project 8200 before I got there. However, after I got there, um, Skip Atwater was having us do those sort of to keep track of what's going on at those as, as time goes on. The, uh, one in Mount Hayes, Alaska, um,
46:48 Speaker 02 Pat Price and Joe McMonigal had found aliens and and humans working side by side as sort of an intelligence gathering place. And years later, when I got there, I did Mount Hayes and found out that the equipment was now automated and still running, but there was no need for personnel there. So it was basically kind of empty of people.
47:20 Jesse Michels? And what was the purpose of it?
47:23 Speaker 02 Oh, keeping intelligence on the US. I mean, on the on the earth, just collecting data and signals and all that.
47:35 Jesse Michels? What would happen to me or an average civilian if we just went to Mount Hayes right now and tried to check this out?
47:41 Speaker 02 You'd probably get lost and frozen. I mean, it's it's always constantly under snow, you know, and I doubt you'd find your way in.
47:53 Jesse Michels? Hmm. So there's something on the inside of the mountain?
47:55 Speaker 02 Oh, it's inside the mountain. Yeah.
47:58 Jesse Michels? So similar to like the Cheyenne Mountain Complex?
48:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:01 Jesse Michels? When it comes to the American government?
48:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:04 Jesse Michels? And do UFOs fly in and out?
48:08 Speaker 02 I didn't get that. No. And neither did Joe or Pat Price. Now, where they fly in and out is in Mount Zeal in northern Australia. And see, I did all these blind, just, you know, like everybody else. And the sketches that I drew, I mean, matched Pat Price's down to the measurements and everything else. So that kind of confirmed for me. But Mount Zeal is sort of a port of entry to the earth that friendly ones go there.
48:56 Speaker 02 And then from there spread out around the world and skip one time skip at water. Um, wanted some feedback and so he called a friend of his working in there in, in, in Australia. And ask him if anything was going on and he said, no, nothing happens here. It's the most boring job I've ever had. If it weren't for all those UFOs going in and out of Mount Zeal.
49:24 Jesse Michels? Really?
49:24 Speaker 02 Wouldn't have anything to do.
49:26 Jesse Michels? Whoa.
49:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:28 Jesse Michels? What, what's the purpose of the UFOs going in and out? Are they refueling? Are they?
49:33 Speaker 02 Uh, no, it's sort of like an airport, just a port of entry. Now, uh, and.
49:40 Jesse Michels? What makes it a, is there like a reason why it's a good port of entry? Is there something, you know, geomagnetically anomalous about it or?
49:47 Speaker 02 I don't know. It's, it's isolated. That's, that's all I know. Um, when I did that, when Pat Price did that one, they let him know that they knew who was there and that scared him. He never went back. When I viewed it, the first thing that happened was they let me know that they knew I was there and that it was okay. And so, um, so I just went through the whole facility sketching and, and.
50:19 Jesse Michels? What was that facility like?
50:21 Speaker 02 It was, um, basically two levels. One level was where the ships come in, settle into kind of a dock. And, uh, passengers get on and off. And also the crew down below goes down, you know, goes down to the lower floor. And that's the maintenance and, and everything else. And, um, That it's just sort of a, an airport, I guess you could say. Uh, no, one thing that happened with my view was, um, something that they said they'd never heard before.
51:02 Speaker 02 In the area where the travelers, you know, go in and out. I saw a gray female with a baby gray. And I've never heard, they said they've never heard of any, anything like that on the earth before. You know, any observation of that. But, um, yeah, they let me know it was okay to be there and hey, have a look around.
51:31 Jesse Michels? Why do you think they let you just look around?
51:34 Speaker 02 I don't think they care. You know, I mean, uh,
51:39 Jesse Michels? It's like, uh,
51:39 Speaker 02 What have they got to fear from me?
51:42 Jesse Michels? It's like a zoologist or something going into the, the jungle in Africa and looking at the gorillas or whatever.
51:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, and the gorillas just say, oh, here's a gorilla that's bald, you know, welcome him in.
51:55 Jesse Michels? Right.
51:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:57 Jesse Michels? It's interesting. It's almost like, um, when you learn deeply advanced remote viewing, maybe your epistemology, your way of knowing kind of converges on theirs. It's like you.
52:09 Speaker 02 It, it does. Uh, there are, um,
52:15 Speaker 02 without going too deeply into it, um, there are
52:21 Speaker 02 even ways that you can physically change while you're remote viewing.
52:27 Jesse Michels? Really?
52:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:28 Jesse Michels? You can physically change?
52:30 Speaker 02 You can physically change.
52:31 Jesse Michels? Have you ever physically changed?
52:33 Speaker 02 Well, I was doing one of the Saddam Hussein things one time and the, um,
52:40 Speaker 02 the woman who was monitoring me at the time let out a scream and ran out of the building, you know? And, uh, I found out the next day, she finally told me, she said, your eyes turned brown and your voice deepened.
52:59 Speaker 02 And, uh, and she said, but your eyes turned actually brown. And, uh, so I just accessed him to that point.
53:10 Jesse Michels? Wow.
53:11 Speaker 02 But I mean,
53:12 Jesse Michels? Your eyes turned-
53:13 Speaker 02 Accessing him every single day.
53:15 Jesse Michels? Cause your eyes, I'm looking at them right now, you have beautiful eyes.
53:18 Speaker 02 I'm blue eyed, yeah.
53:19 Jesse Michels? Milky, blue eyes.
53:20 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
53:21 Jesse Michels? So you, your eyes turned to the same color as Saddam is saying.
53:25 Speaker 02 That's what she said. That's what she told me. Yeah. Uh huh.
53:27 Jesse Michels? So it was like you were merging with him?
53:30 Speaker 02 Merging, sort of, yeah.
53:32 Jesse Michels? Wow.
53:33 Speaker 02 So-
53:33 Jesse Michels? Like inhabiting him or something?
53:35 Speaker 02 Sort of sinking with him or something. I don't know. Uh, I didn't know anything about it until she said, you know?
53:45 Jesse Michels? You also remote viewed Gorbachev?
53:48 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.
53:49 Jesse Michels? What was he like?
53:51 Speaker 02 Uh, he was a nice guy. He really was.
53:54 Jesse Michels? Seems like a nice guy from his public appearances.
53:56 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. And, um, somebody critiqued my, my book, The Seventh Sense. By the way, I brought you a copy.
54:05 Jesse Michels? Thank you.
54:06 Speaker 02 And I know people bring you books all the time that you can't read. You don't have time. So no obligation to read it. Okay? There won't be a test.
54:15 Jesse Michels? Oh, well, that means a lot. I've already read part of it. So.
54:19 Speaker 02 I won't come back and say, what did you think about chapter seven?
54:22 Jesse Michels? Well, you can. It's okay. You remote viewed Gorbachev and you said that he was a nice guy?
54:29 Speaker 02 Somebody said in the book that I had, um, that I had, um, said that I convinced Russia to end communism. And that's not true, you know, at all. But, um, I was over at the golf club one day there on Fort Meade, eating lunch and, uh, two agents came in and sat in a far table and I mean,
55:02 Speaker 02 They blend in so perfectly that they stand out. You know, you can get the vibe right there. Oh, these guys are, you know, not here to eat. And so I got up and left and when I did, they followed me out to the parking lot. And they had me get in their car. They drove me around Fort Meade. And basically they said, you know, we want you to do things to affect Gorbachev and all this. And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. For one thing, we were, this was another edict we had on us that there would be no active mental work.
55:45 Speaker 02 We were there to collect intelligence, not to do influencing or anything like that. And so I said, no, that's, I can go to jail for that, you know? And so anyway, when I got out of the car, I don't know what made me say it. But just sort of to be nasty to those two guys. I leaned back down to the open door and I said, but maybe I can make him end communism. You know? And anyway, when I got home that evening, I thought, I wonder if I could do something like that. I said, no, it's stupid, you know?
56:26 Speaker 02 So I started doing sessions and what surprised me was the speech where they ended communism. The words in that speech were the words that I had been pumping into him.
56:41 Jesse Michels? No way.
56:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:43 Jesse Michels? Like what?
56:43 Speaker 02 Oh, well, it's all in Russian, but.
56:46 Jesse Michels? But do you remember what words you were popping into him?
56:48 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
56:49 Jesse Michels? Like what?
56:51 Speaker 02 Well, that's not the point I'm trying to make here. The point is that for a good year, year and a half before that, he was already planned, planning to end communism. So did I have any effect on that? No. I may have helped him with his speech. That was it.
57:13 Jesse Michels? Do you remember how specifically you helped him at all?
57:16 Speaker 02 Oh, one of the things I kept putting in was about the generations to follow and all this.
57:24 Jesse Michels? That's amazing.
57:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:25 Jesse Michels? Wow.
57:26 Speaker 02 But, um, yeah, the, the terms and the words I was, I was pumping in, uh,
57:33 Speaker 02 he used in his speech. So.
57:36 Jesse Michels? About the generations to follow and, you know, what the future of Russia might look like.
57:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:42 Jesse Michels? And Mount Indian Ghanai is another alien base.
57:47 Speaker 02 And, um, in Zimbabwe, yeah. Uh, what I found out about that one was that it seems to be a repair facility, maintenance and repair facility.
57:57 Jesse Michels? For what?
57:58 Speaker 02 For ET, for UFOs.
58:00 Jesse Michels? For UFOs?
58:01 Speaker 02 Yeah. No, I never did the one that was in the Pyrenees. So I'm not sure about it.
58:08 Jesse Michels? That's Mount Perdido.
58:09 Speaker 02 Fourth one. Yeah.
58:10 Jesse Michels? Mount Indian Ghanai is interesting because people often go missing while they're hiking around Mount Indian Ghanai.
58:17 Speaker 02 Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.
58:18 Jesse Michels? Do you think there's a connection between that and this supposed alien base?
58:22 Speaker 02 You see too much, you disappear.
58:25 Jesse Michels? What happens to you?
58:28 Speaker 02 Oh, you, you don't exist anymore. You die. Yeah.
58:36 Jesse Michels? Oh, no.
58:36 Speaker 02 Yeah. They, they guard things.
58:39 Jesse Michels? They guard things tightly.
58:40 Speaker 02 Yeah. From what I've seen at, uh, Mount Zeal. And, oh, there in Zimbabwe, I think you also have the chance of becoming a worker, but you don't come back.
58:57 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
58:57 Speaker 02 You know?
58:58 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
58:58 Speaker 02 You don't go back home again.
59:00 Jesse Michels? Really?
59:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:01 Jesse Michels? So they abduct you and make you work for them?
59:04 Speaker 02 I think it's voluntary. You have your choice between dying or, or working.
59:10 Jesse Michels? What makes you think that they make certain people workers?
59:14 Speaker 02 Because they're humans working with them.
59:18 Jesse Michels? How do you know that from your remote viewing?
59:20 Speaker 02 From the remote viewing, yeah.
59:24 Speaker 02 And also from other reports, you know,
59:30 Speaker 02 other viewing reports and actual reports.
59:34 Jesse Michels? What are the hu- are the humans like active managers or are they just underlings?
59:39 Speaker 02 I think they're just underling- underlings.
59:42 Jesse Michels? So they're like
59:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:44 Jesse Michels? Effectively slaves for these ETs?
59:46 Speaker 02 No.
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1:03:07 Speaker 02 While we're on the topic, about five years ago, I was in El Paso and stopped at a restaurant. And I ate, came back out to the car. And when I did, two guys, two humans, okay, came up and said,
1:03:29 Speaker 02 "You're Lynn Buchanan."
1:03:32 Speaker 02 I already knew that, you know? And I said, "Yes." And they said, "We're interested in finding out something if you could find out for us." And that is, "Who in the government is looking at the wedge of the DNA chart that says other?"
1:03:53 Speaker 02 And I says, I have no idea. They said, well, could you find out? Well, Linda Moulton Howes is a good friend of mine. And so I said, maybe Linda could answer the question. She knew, you talk about an investigative reporter. She's an investigative reporter. She knows. And she clicked off the names immediately. And so I asked them, why? And he said, back centuries and centuries ago, when the ETs left the earth, they took
1:04:35 Speaker 02 humans with them as slaves. And he said, we've been slaves for hundreds of generations on another planet. Our DNA has changed to match that. And he said, now that we're coming back here and serving to do the work at these bases, some of us are escaping. And he said, we don't want to do anything in the government. We don't want any power. We don't know anything. We just want to be free. That's all we want. And he said, we're afraid of that DNA test.
1:05:18 Jesse Michels? Are those beings physiologically exactly the same as all other humans?
1:05:22 Speaker 02 These two guys were.
1:05:24 Jesse Michels? Do they have any other sort of adaptive powers, behaviors, or traits based on their
1:05:29 Speaker 02 They were two guys in a parking lot. I don't know if it's true or not, but that's, that's what happened. And, and so I guess it's a possibility of being true. I don't know.
1:05:43 Jesse Michels? So those aliens that came.
1:05:47 Jesse Michels? Here, you know, thousands of years ago, stories of like Onanaki and Watchers and that sort of thing.
1:05:53 Speaker 02 Something like that.
1:05:54 Jesse Michels? So they had, you know, humans working for them when they came originally, you know, call it 10,000 ish years ago.
1:06:03 Speaker 02 Yeah. And when they left, they took workers with them.
1:06:05 Jesse Michels? They took workers with them and then now they come back occasionally, visit some of these bases and they bring the workers with them to work.
1:06:13 Speaker 02 To do the work, to do the slave work.
1:06:15 Jesse Michels? And that's occasionally some of those workers escape.
1:06:18 Speaker 02 That's what these two guys told me.
1:06:23 Speaker 02 Whether it's true or not, I don't know. That's just what they told me, but they told me in a way that I tended to believe it. I have no proof.
1:06:33 Jesse Michels? Pat Price, who was originally responsible for viewing these four, you know, alien bases.
1:06:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:40 Jesse Michels? Was one of the most skilled remote viewers of all time.
1:06:44 Speaker 02 He was a psychic.
1:06:46 Jesse Michels? What, how would you make that distinction?
1:06:48 Speaker 02 A psychic is a person who has the natural ability and great strength and knows how to access it.
1:06:59 Jesse Michels? A remote viewer is trained.
1:07:00 Speaker 02 A remote viewer.
1:07:02 Jesse Michels? A psychic is born.
1:07:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:05 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:07:05 Speaker 02 A, um, the remote viewing that was made for the military wasn't made for psychics. The military didn't want psychics. They wanted to teach the ordinary soldier how to know what's over the hill and where to point the guns.
1:07:22 Jesse Michels? Are you?
1:07:23 Speaker 02 They wanted.
1:07:24 Jesse Michels? Are you a remote viewer or a psychic?
1:07:25 Speaker 02 I'm a remote viewer. Well, but I grew up with the PK ability and some psychic sense. Everybody has intuition to some extent. Okay. Oh, some more than others and all that. But, uh, the controlled remote viewing is actually a martial art. Oh, what happens is your subconscious knows something.
1:07:56 Speaker 02 It can't talk to the conscious mind without a psychiatrist's couch. You know, and so it gives you a physical response. When you can learn consciously to read those physical responses and you can train those to where it's a communication line, then you can physically pass a question to your subconscious mind, it will cause a physical response. You read that physical response and you've got the answer. That's what controlled remote viewing is. It's actually a martial art.
1:08:36 Jesse Michels? Hmm. Fascinating.
1:08:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's not, oh, the answer is, you know, the answer is, put the question to your forehead and the answer is, it's not that at all.
1:08:48 Jesse Michels? Do you have a sense of how it mechanically works? Or are we sort of in the Stone Age as far, you know, with like a radio signal?
1:08:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:08:56 Jesse Michels? It's pretty clear how it works with remote viewing. Do we understand the actual transmission mechanism?
1:09:01 Speaker 02 Um, some of the people who do the controlled remote viewing will write down the coordinates because you never tell them what the target is. You just give them a encrypted number and let their pen do scribble, scribble, scribble, and then they go back and touch it. Well, scribble, scribble, scribble is automatic writing, which some people are good at. Psychometry is where you go back and touch something and get information off of it. Okay. And so that's one way to begin a CRV session. Another way, and the way that I teach my students.
1:09:47 Speaker 02 Is the martial art way, wax on, wipe off. Okay. And so you say, oh, draw me the most basic graphic you can of land. And some people will make a mountain, some people make a straight line. And then show me water and they'll make a weepy line. And you have this other vocabulary and you practice and practice and practice that. This is how they taught me. The Ingo Swan method was taught to me. And when it gets to the point where the monitor who's calling out these words,
1:10:30 Speaker 02 starts to say the word and the viewer automatically makes the word that's going to be said. That's when you know their subconscious mind is accessing the monitor. That's when you know you've got it. So then you go to what's, that's called stage one. So then you go to stage two where you say, oh, describe the water. And by describing the water, you say, how does it taste? How does it feel? What's the temperature? You use only physical descriptors. And you get the physical descriptors of it.
1:11:15 Speaker 02 And then you say, oh, it feels cold. Well, how cold is it? That's where you start getting the measurements. And as you go through the six stages, you finally get down to where you can reproduce the circuitry on a circuit board. I mean, it gets that detailed. And this is the genius of what Ingo Swan did. He started out with, I don't know what's at the target, but man, there's land and water and something man-made.
1:11:48 Speaker 02 You know, and at that point in the training where you're in stage one training, you open the envelope and there's a ship sitting at dock.
1:11:59 Speaker 02 Just like that, you know, and when you get good at that 80% accurate at it through practice, then you move into stage two.
1:12:10 Jesse Michels? Joseph McMonigal was tasked with remote viewing Mars a million years ago. Claimed to see people who were much taller than human beings and pyramid structures and sort of a civilization. Have you seen anything like that? Have you ever remote viewed Mars?
1:12:30 Speaker 02 In stage six, there's a phenomenon called
1:12:36 Speaker 02 bilocation. And there's one step beyond that, which we call perfect sight integration.
1:12:46 Speaker 02 When you reach that stage,
1:12:49 Speaker 02 you're not at the target. Okay. But your attention is so focused on the target that you you forget about the room around you or anything else. And your attention is so focused on it, you cannot tell that you're not at the target. You feel the breeze on your face. You feel the temperature, that everything you see it. And the first time that happened to me was with the Sedona region at Mars.
1:13:20 Speaker 02 And I was working along, I'd gotten some coordinates, just some numbers. And I was working along and all of a sudden I felt sand under my feet. Now, here's an idiosyncrasy.
1:13:38 Speaker 02 I never remote view with my shoes on. I don't know why.
1:13:43 Speaker 02 I'm a Texas boy. I take my shoes off, you know, and so I felt the sand under my feet and I looked down and there was, I was in a hallway that was filled with sand. And I looked up and there was an opening at the far end of the hallway. So I walked down to the opening and I, it was open, so I leaned out. And the building that I was in was sloping backwards. And it's just all rough and just eroded and everything else. And I looked out. The sun was dim, the sky was the wrong color. It's extremely cold.
1:14:28 Speaker 02 The place smelled bad. And um, um, I looked at the other things that were around. And came back and described them and, you know, drew a picture of it and all that. So, um, I guess about six months later, we were out at, um, um, place in California, visiting how I put off. And, um, there was a picture on the wall of the Sedona region of Mars. And, um, this was not the picture everybody sees.
1:15:09 Speaker 02 You know how the picture they show is all fuzzy and all? Come on. They can read your license plate from 250 miles through air. You're going to tell me they can't see a mountain sharply from on Mars? And this was a very sharp picture. And there on the side of one of those pyramids, there's a little opening. Been there, done that, didn't get the T-shirt. But, uh, but I was looking at this picture and realizing that everything I had drawn from that angle
1:15:51 Speaker 02 from above was in the right place, everything. The, um, the sky that I saw was the color of the sky on Mars. The sun was dimmer, you know, and further away and all that. And the bitter cold and everything else.
1:16:10 Jesse Michels? Was it red?
1:16:12 Speaker 02 What, the sun?
1:16:13 Jesse Michels? The landscape.
1:16:14 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah, uh huh. Yeah, it was, it was, it was orangish red, yeah, and all that. I mean, it was desert. It was sand. After that session, they said, oh, you're on Mars. And I said, oh, okay. But when I saw that picture, that's when I realized, hey, I was on Mars.
1:16:40 Speaker 02 And, you know, I cannot physically, I cannot say I've ever been physically on Mars.
1:16:48 Speaker 02 But I have had the experience, the real experience of walking through the sands of Mars. And how are you going to explain that to anybody? I've had the experience of it.
1:17:02 Jesse Michels? Did you see any alien life?
1:17:04 Speaker 02 Actually, I did. Yeah.
1:17:08 Speaker 02 Because the monitor took me elsewhere after that. But, you know.
1:17:14 Jesse Michels? And, and so where did you go after that, where you saw alien life?
1:17:19 Speaker 02 Down into the pyramid. And it was,
1:17:24 Speaker 02 it was beings that are much larger than humans. But with atrophied limbs, probably incapable of ever coming out, you know?
1:17:38 Jesse Michels? What did they look like? Did they look like humans but atrophied?
1:17:41 Speaker 02 No, well, right at first, they looked to me like worms. I mean, their, their legs and their arms were just, you know, were there, but just, like I say, atrophied, not even used.
1:17:55 Jesse Michels? Was their skin color the same color as?
1:18:00 Speaker 02 Roughly, I think, yeah, as I remember it.
1:18:04 Speaker 02 I was there a very short time and they pulled me out.
1:18:08 Jesse Michels? Fascinating. Did you get the sense of, as to whether they had a relationship with mankind at all? Or they were from?
1:18:15 Speaker 02 I didn't. They pulled me out. They pulled me out from that, yeah.
1:18:19 Jesse Michels? And this was present Mars. This isn't a million years ago.
1:18:22 Speaker 02 Present, yeah, yeah.
1:18:24 Jesse Michels? What's the most exotic place you've bi-located to?
1:18:27 Speaker 02 The most exotic? I haven't heard that one before.
1:18:32 Speaker 02 The strangest place was Titan.
1:18:37 Speaker 02 Um, I was tasked for some reason with Titan to find any life there.
1:18:44 Jesse Michels? Titan is a moon of Jupiter?
1:18:46 Speaker 02 Yeah. And, um, um, I found these two beings in a cave. Now, what I think they were looking for was sea under the surface or something like that. I, they weren't satisfied with what I got, but these two beings were conversing with each other.
1:19:10 Speaker 02 And like I say, my forte is mental access.
1:19:18 Speaker 02 I have never in any other time found anything as totally alien as that. There was no understanding their thoughts. There was no understanding.
1:19:33 Speaker 02 Anything about them. I could tell they were thinking. I could hear their thoughts and there was no translation. There was no, no, nothing. The most alien thing I've ever experienced, period. And, you know, I've been tasked with a lot of aliens. This was, oh, just indescribably alien.
1:19:58 Jesse Michels? Just completely foreign?
1:20:00 Speaker 02 Completely. Totally un-understandable.
1:20:03 Jesse Michels? Incomprehensible.
1:20:04 Speaker 02 Incomprehensible, yeah.
1:20:06 Jesse Michels? When you relay these things to your superiors as part of the remote viewing program, what do they say? Are they shocked? Or are they like, oh, just another day on the job? And they're very blase about it?
1:20:18 Speaker 02 Generally just another day on the job after, after, you know, like I say, they've been there for 10 years before I ever got there. So, yeah, for them, it's just another day on the job. Yeah.
1:20:29 Jesse Michels? How many alien species do you think you've personally come into contact with?
1:20:34 Speaker 02 I think five.
1:20:36 Jesse Michels? Have you seen any in a non-remote viewing capacity?
1:20:42 Speaker 02 I was afraid you were gonna answer that, ask that, yes, and I can't talk about it.
1:20:47 Jesse Michels? Why not?
1:20:48 Speaker 02 Because it was on a mission that I can't talk about.
1:20:51 Jesse Michels? Okay. Whoa.
1:20:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:20:53 Jesse Michels? That's interesting.
1:20:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm sorry.
1:20:56 Jesse Michels? No, it's okay. Is there anything you can share about it?
1:20:59 Speaker 02 No.
1:20:59 Jesse Michels? Okay. Was it shocking?
1:21:02 Speaker 02 By that time I had learned, um, anytime I went on one of these missions, I would always tell them, I don't want to know anything that I don't want to be responsible for. The alien was there. And so I immediately just looked away and kept, kept going because I didn't, I didn't want to be responsible for that, for knowing that. So.
1:21:28 Jesse Michels? When you say mission, this isn't a remote viewing mission. This is like you were deployed somewhere?
1:21:35 Speaker 02 Somewhere else, yeah.
1:21:36 Jesse Michels? Wow.
1:21:37 Speaker 02 For another reason, yeah.
1:21:39 Jesse Michels? So what else have you done outside of remote viewing? Have you been deployed in different places around the world?
1:21:45 Speaker 02 Well, yeah. Um, I was a computer expert, a computer programmer, Russian linguist, German linguist. I was the only Mongolian linguist in all five services at the time, six services now with the space, space force. But I was the only Mongolian linguist in all military services. Um, the first time I was in the service, I was into guided missiles and guided missile computer systems, control systems and all that.
1:22:25 Jesse Michels? Fascinating. You've had a very winding career. You're, you're, you're polymathic.
1:22:31 Speaker 02 I've read in interesting times, yeah.
1:22:33 Jesse Michels? Yeah. You know, for me, this, you know, direct alien experience, obviously I'm insatiably curious and want to know more, but I respect your decision to not share more for the audience.
1:22:45 Speaker 02 Well, I also had. I had an abduction experience too, so.
1:22:50 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:22:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, go ahead.
1:22:52 Jesse Michels? Well, I'm, I'm, I'm just wanting, I want to get into that too. But I'm for the audience, they might be wondering, why can Lynn share about some of the stuff he's remote viewed that also seems somewhat sensitive, but he can't talk about this one mission he was on where he saw an alien.
1:23:07 Speaker 02 Well, I can talk about things that happened, but things like who was involved? What units were involved, what people and places were involved and where it happened and all that, you know, those are things that, you know.
1:23:26 Jesse Michels? So could you could theoretically talk about what the alien looked like with no context around.
1:23:33 Speaker 02 Well, the one I saw that time was one of the, what they call the insectoids.
1:23:39 Jesse Michels? Okay, whoa.
1:23:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:23:41 Jesse Michels? Like a praying mantis or something?
1:23:44 Speaker 02 I guess it was sitting at a position and a row of humans that were at the positions, their positions and working some equipment. So.
1:23:57 Jesse Michels? Whoa.
1:23:58 Speaker 02 And the thing is, many of these times where you have soldiers that are at these jobs all day long, if they know that somebody is coming in who's an outsider, they'll do something, you know, just to, they could have, it could have been a soldier that just put on an alien hat or something like that. Oh, I don't know, because the minute I saw it, I looked away and kept walking.
1:24:27 Jesse Michels? Okay. So this could have been them trying to mess with you.
1:24:31 Speaker 02 Could have been.
1:24:31 Jesse Michels? But it looked like an alien casually working hand in hand with human colleagues.
1:24:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:24:38 Jesse Michels? Wow.
1:24:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:24:41 Jesse Michels? Well, should you say what they were working on?
1:24:43 Speaker 02 You're back into what I can't talk about.
1:24:45 Jesse Michels? Okay, no worries. All right, we'll stop there. But that, that's interesting.
1:24:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:24:50 Jesse Michels? Do you, do you think that in some of these places, humans and aliens are working side by side? You already said that in the context
1:25:00 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:25:01 Jesse Michels? of Mount Zale in Australia.
1:25:05 Speaker 02 And I've heard that from people who absolutely know for sure, yeah.
1:25:10 Jesse Michels? Really?
1:25:11 Speaker 02 Over and over again, yeah.
1:25:13 Jesse Michels? Wow. And so what, like?
1:25:16 Speaker 02 Those two guys that approached me in the parking lot could explain why there are humans working with them. They may not be people who were born on Earth. I don't know. It's, it's a question that I have that, that I don't know the answer to.
1:25:37 Jesse Michels? I've talked to Hal Pudoff about things like this, like a sort of, almost like portals on, on Earth, where humans and aliens are sort of co-located, working together. And we were talking as well before we started rolling about Indian reservations and certain off-limits places in the United States.
1:26:02 Speaker 02 What I seem to have found is that the alien bases, I think most people think that the aliens come in and secretly cause, form these bases that nobody human knows about and all that. I've come to the conclusion personally, have no proof, no documentation, that these are the places where our government or the governments of other countries have said.
1:26:36 Speaker 02 You can have this spot to have your base. You stay away from us and we'll stay away from you. So they're more like reservations that we give to the Indians than they are bases where they have secretly come in and formed something that we don't know about. And I think we know everything about it.
1:26:59 Jesse Michels? So this is being done with our explicit permission?
1:27:03 Speaker 02 That's what I get.
1:27:05 Jesse Michels? Yeah. There's a place called Secret Mountain near Bradshaw Ranch in Sedona, Arizona.
1:27:11 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:27:11 Jesse Michels? And this is one of these places that's rumored. A friend and fellow reporter, Russ Coltheart, has systematically investigated this place. And it seems like UFOs are flying in and out of this mountain. And I think the land is sort of, you know, it's like Bureau of Land Management. And I think it was then reserved for like, you know, University of Northern Arizona. And there were some environmental studies going on, but basically it's a way of saying off limits for anyone else. But nothing goes on there, like no research goes on there. Instead, people just see men who wear these sort of nondescript, you know, outfits.
1:27:51 Speaker 02 Like Dulce, New Mexico.
1:27:53 Jesse Michels? And yeah. Yeah, and some of these other places. So you think that's happening maybe all over the US?
1:28:00 Speaker 02 All over the world.
1:28:01 Jesse Michels? All over the world.
1:28:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:28:03 Jesse Michels? How is this stuff so locked down for the ordinary person? Cause like, you know, I systematically sort of investigate this stuff. You've lived it for decades. And so it's sort of obvious to you. For me, I'm, you know, more on the fence than you, but probably more, you know, inclined towards your side, obviously than I am towards, you know, an average person who hasn't studied this stuff. But how is there so much circumstantial evidence? And yet the consensus still can maintain that there's like nothing here.
1:28:39 Jesse Michels? Is it them concealing themselves, the non-humans? Or like?
1:28:43 Speaker 02 I, well, first of all, uh, if you had something like that, would you want everybody to know? You know, I mean, if you were to land on Mars, would you want all the Martians to know where you were? Uh, probably not, you know? I think most people don't want to know. They don't want to believe that that happens. And so why shatter their paradigm? You know, does one country want to know the other is harboring UFO aliens? You know, I don't know a definite answer to that question, but I think most of all, people don't want to know.
1:29:25 Jesse Michels? Is there a connection between remote viewing and UFO crash retrievals?
1:29:32 Speaker 02 Crash retrieval?
1:29:33 Jesse Michels? Yes.
1:29:34 Speaker 02 Evidently not, from what I found ahead in that hangar.
1:29:39 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:29:40 Speaker 02 You know, um, they, the minute I saw that, uh, control panel out of UFO and said, that's out of UFO. I mean, they ran me out of that place.
1:29:53 Jesse Michels? Because there's a group called, I believe, the Borderlands Research Society.
1:29:58 Speaker 02 I haven't heard of that one.
1:29:59 Jesse Michels? They're from the 40s, back in the day, and they were dabbling in kind of the occult. Uh, but they were doing some early remote viewing techniques and there seems to be some documentation gathered by a researcher friend of mine named Richard Geldreit, who's amazing. And he says that they knew about some of the early crashes in the 40s and 50s before the army and the air force. And so I think if, you know, if you're, what you were saying earlier, that like, when we move into the psychic or remote viewing paradigm, we're kind of bumping into the epistemological framework of the non-humans.
1:30:34 Speaker 02 Right.
1:30:34 Jesse Michels? Then if you were to try to have a really vital UFO crash retrieval team, you probably would use remote viewing in order to spot where the UFOs actually crashed.
1:30:47 Speaker 02 And there are other methods too.
1:30:50 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:30:50 Speaker 02 Um, I mean, one of the things you always hear about a UFO crash, within minutes, the government was there.
1:30:58 Jesse Michels? Right. So that implies some sort of like almost foreknowledge or really low latency.
1:31:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:31:04 Jesse Michels? You know, almost like quantum entanglement style understanding that would come from remote viewing more than it would from traditional communications.
1:31:12 Speaker 02 No, I think traditional methods, um, you've seen one of them.
1:31:18 Jesse Michels? What's that?
1:31:19 Speaker 02 On TV. Um, there's a, a clip that the show on TV every now and then of this UFO that's coming in and a beam goes like that and the thing turns around the leaves. And they say, oh, that was just water on the window. In space, there's no water on the window. Come on. And, uh, and, um, we have UFO weapons. We have identification, friend and foe. We already have those things.
1:31:52 Jesse Michels? So do you believe that we have a vital UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering program?
1:31:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:31:58 Jesse Michels? And you think that's tied in with remote viewing programs?
1:32:02 Speaker 02 I don't think so.
1:32:03 Jesse Michels? You don't think so?
1:32:04 Speaker 02 I don't think so. Uh, we were never tasked with it.
1:32:07 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:32:07 Speaker 02 There was only one time that I've heard of, uh, I wasn't there at the time, that we officially got tasked with a UFO target. All of the rest of the times that we did a lot of UFO stuff,
1:32:24 Speaker 02 uh, came under the heading of practice sessions. Or some two or three star general might come up to your desk and say, "Hey, would you do me a favor?"
1:32:41 Speaker 02 And what are you gonna say, no sir? Is it two star and you've got a sergeant saying, no sir? That's not gonna happen.
1:32:49 Jesse Michels? Well, didn't you remote view the 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident?
1:32:54 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:32:55 Jesse Michels? Where this is, you know, Royal Air Force Woodbridge, where you have sort of Royal Air Force, United States Air Force, combined group in England near Rendlesham Forest.
1:33:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:33:10 Jesse Michels? And.
1:33:11 Speaker 02 One of my fortes is drawing floor plans.
1:33:14 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:33:15 Speaker 02 Of the insides of buildings. And I was the one that drew the, that went inside that triangular craft and actually drew the floor plans and the insides and all that.
1:33:26 Jesse Michels? Really?
1:33:27 Speaker 02 Yeah. Now, to be honest.
1:33:30 Jesse Michels? Can I back up though and just give the audience a little bit of context?
1:33:33 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
1:33:33 Jesse Michels? So 1980, three different US Air Force sergeants, Jim Peniston, John Burrows, I'm blanking on the third guy's name, all come across this, they first, they see this triangle flying in the woods.
1:33:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:33:47 Jesse Michels? Then they see it land.
1:33:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:33:49 Jesse Michels? And I believe Peniston and Burrows even went right up to it. And, and, and so it is this black triangle. And then they found indentations in the thing. And you had Lord Hill Norton, who was, you know, head of the Admiral Fleet, you know, saying, you know, I think this happened. You had Colonel Halt, who was, who was there, who was in charge at the time.
1:34:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:34:10 Jesse Michels? You know, doing a formal investigation, saying this happened. And so you were, were you formally tasked with looking inside of this triangle UFO?
1:34:17 Speaker 02 As a practice target.
1:34:20 Jesse Michels? As a practice target?
1:34:21 Speaker 02 As a practice, we were never officially chained, charged in the chain of command with doing UFO targets.
1:34:29 Jesse Michels? Who assigned you that as a practice target?
1:34:31 Speaker 02 Um.
1:34:34 Speaker 02 I forget who it came from. It wasn't Ed, Ed Dames. He was always giving us UFO targets.
1:34:40 Jesse Michels? Ed Dames was.
1:34:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:34:42 Jesse Michels? So do you think these guys-
1:34:44 Speaker 02 This was different. I forget who it came from.
1:34:46 Jesse Michels? So it's almost like there's a different line of command that's interested in the UFO knowledge?
1:34:51 Speaker 02 In any organization, you have the formal organization and the informal.
1:34:56 Jesse Michels? So what's this informal organization that's interested in UFO stuff?
1:35:00 Speaker 02 Well, it's totally unorganized. Like I say-
1:35:04 Jesse Michels? You think it's just emergent and like personal, personal interest based?
1:35:08 Speaker 02 A two-star comes by your desk and says, will you do me a favor? You're not going to say no.
1:35:14 Jesse Michels? Is the two-star though, like, are they getting interested because they're like, I heard this crazy thing. I want to know. Or is it more of like a, some sort of secret other branch?
1:35:25 Speaker 02 They are all interested.
1:35:28 Jesse Michels? But it's pure personal interest. You don't think somebody's telling the two-star, hey, get one of your best guys to look into it?
1:35:33 Speaker 02 I don't ask.
1:35:35 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:35:36 Speaker 02 But do I suspect that they're, yeah.
1:35:39 Jesse Michels? So you think there might be another line of command, another chain of command?
1:35:42 Speaker 02 Well, you know, it's like they say about the UFOs, they think, what is our danger to our superiority? That's become an official thing. And so are they going to task a remote viewer with it? Not officially. They're going to come by your desk and say, hey, would you do me a favor?
1:36:06 Jesse Michels? So you do this guy a favor, this two-star general?
1:36:09 Speaker 02 And, and they walk out with the answer and you never hear about it again.
1:36:14 Jesse Michels? What was inside of this triangle craft?
1:36:17 Speaker 02 Uh, it was intelligently automated. There were no beings inside of it. There was a place where samples were being preserved. And this thing was going by and finding sample, uh, samples of-
1:36:40 Speaker 02 I don't know if it was soil or plant stuff or whatever, but there was a place in there where the samples were being kept. And, uh, and then somehow the craft would seem to communicate back that it had found something, but it was totally self automated. There were no, there were no beings in it at all.
1:37:05 Jesse Michels? And what, any other features of the craft, the color, the, the
1:37:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was a red, sort of reddish light inside. Uh, there was a control panel, so it could be controlled by beings. And, uh, there was this, um, small hallway that went back to a chamber where samples were being held. That was that.
1:37:31 Jesse Michels? Samples of?
1:37:33 Speaker 02 Of whatever it was, it was picking up and finding.
1:37:36 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
1:37:37 Speaker 02 Cause it was out searching.
1:37:38 Jesse Michels? It's like this automated drone sort of thing.
1:37:41 Speaker 02 Automated drone, yeah.
1:37:42 Jesse Michels? Hmm. And I believe Colonel John Alexander knew about Rendlesham before just about anybody else in the United States.
1:37:49 Speaker 02 Probably so, yeah.
1:37:50 Jesse Michels? Was he involved in your, I guess you can't probably say, or?
1:37:53 Speaker 02 No, uh, John was, um, rarely, I don't think he was ever involved in our unit.
1:38:02 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:38:02 Speaker 02 Bert, uh, Albert Stubblebine, General Stubblebine, uh, became a really good friend. I always called him Bert. And, uh, uh, Bert, uh, intentionally kept him out of it.
1:38:18 Jesse Michels? Albert Stubblebine is a very interesting figure who seems very conspiratorial himself.
1:38:26 Speaker 02 He became like a second father to me. I just treasure that man.
1:38:30 Jesse Michels? What, what is his, tell, tell us about him, cause he's this very intriguing figure in kind of UFO lore. Like when Stephen Greer, for example, or initially gets into all this stuff, he sort of, he was this emergency medical doctor and then he developed CE5, this protocol to sort of call in UFOs.
1:38:49 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
1:38:49 Jesse Michels? And Stubblebine is first on the scene to, you know,
1:38:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:38:53 Jesse Michels? Ostensibly try to almost recruit him into some sort of government program.
1:38:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:38:58 Jesse Michels? So what is, what is Stubblebine like?
1:39:00 Speaker 02 Bert was very interested in it. Bert had the, um, Project Going where he had people out looking for PK events and things like this. That's how, that's how I got reported to Bert, who was head of the Intelligence and Security Command. That's why he came out to the unit and wanted to talk to me. And at that, we've seen the movie, The Men Who Stare at Goats.
1:39:29 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
1:39:29 Speaker 02 He shoved me into the office and told the commander, I need to talk to Sergeant Buchanan, get out. You know, he turned to me and got up in my face and said, did you kill my computers with your mind? And I thought, I have got to lie about this. I knew I had, and I could see my grandchildren paying for computers. You know, basically I heard myself say, yes, sir, I did. And the grin that comes across General Hapgood's face in that movie is exactly the grin that came across Bert's face.
1:40:14 Speaker 02 And you can, you can blip this out if you want. Just immediately right there in my face, he said, far fucking out if I ever got a job for you.
1:40:27 Jesse Michels? Ah, that's awesome. Yeah. Wow.
1:40:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:40:31 Jesse Michels? Who do you think tasked him initially with assembling this X-Men team of psychic?
1:40:37 Speaker 02 I think he did it all on his own. He got all kinds of flack from that.
1:40:41 Jesse Michels? Really?
1:40:41 Speaker 02 He really did.
1:40:42 Jesse Michels? So he kind of went rogue a little bit?
1:40:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:40:44 Jesse Michels? Hmm. Such a fascinating world, you know, all of this stuff. And I always, I would find it interesting too, because you have Hal Puthoff is one of these guys who's kind of, you know, one of the godfathers of remote viewing.
1:40:57 Speaker 02 He's great.
1:40:58 Jesse Michels? Amazing guy.
1:40:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:40:59 Jesse Michels? And, but then he also is at the forefront of the UFO stuff. And that, that has to be significant, like to me at least. I think there has to be this like essential overlap between these two things.
1:41:13 Speaker 02 Okay. Um.
1:41:19 Speaker 02 You've heard a lot of stories that when a person gets abducted, they suddenly start having psychic ability?
1:41:25 Jesse Michels? Yes.
1:41:26 Speaker 02 Okay. I was tasked to do a paper that as soon as I turned it in, it disappeared. I don't know if it's in that place where that big warehouse where
1:41:42 Speaker 02 at the end of the Indiana Jones movie. The task was compare and contrast
1:41:51 Speaker 02 our psychic ability with the ET psychic ability. And
1:42:00 Speaker 02 I got access to a bunch of stuff that most people will never see. But the end result of that study that I did, I had already found out that you can divide psychically the ETs into four different groups. There's not us and them, there's us and them, and them, and them, and them, and them. And you can cut them into four different groups, friends and enemies. And those who have more psychic ability than we have, and those who are equal or less psychic than we are.
1:42:37 Speaker 02 The enemies who are equal or less than we are try to stay away from here. They don't like us. Okay.
1:42:47 Speaker 02 The friends who are less or equal to us psychically come here for trade. Come here for trade. And
1:42:59 Speaker 02 the ones who are more psychic than we are and friends want us to become psychic.
1:43:09 Speaker 02 The ones who are enemies and more psychic than we are, don't want us off this planet. They'd be very happy to just wipe the planet off, you know? Kill all humans, period. And I couldn't figure out why. And this one, um, this one event that I got the record of, there were three guys camping at a lake. And they, it was nighttime, they saw a UFO come. And they were standing there in the lake, looking at it. It came up right over them. And all of a sudden, they couldn't move, they were frozen, and they got abducted.
1:43:51 Speaker 02 And there was something about that that, uh, sort of just made everything that I had studied before that fall together. And that is that those ETs had much more psychic ability than the humans, but no range. They had to be right over them in order to do anything. With the remote viewing, we can see across space and time, like looking across the room at a stove or something, you know? No different. If we develop our psychic ability, when we get out into space,
1:44:36 Speaker 02 we are going to be a power in the universe because we can see way into the future, anywhere in space and all that. And evidently, they can't. And so we have that ability. That's why our friends want us out there. And our enemies don't want us off this planet.
1:45:01 Jesse Michels? Do you have a sense of like, taxonomies of non-human intelligence, like the species and stuff? Cause- I'm not gonna lie, when I speak to people about, when people volunteer information about this, I'm often skeptical. And then in the event in which we are, you know, being visited by non-human intelligence, which I believe we are.
1:45:24 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:45:24 Jesse Michels? Then it's somehow obviously very important to categorize them as you just have. But can you categorize them further by they're from XYZ planet?
1:45:35 Speaker 02 Oh, you mean in those four groups?
1:45:37 Jesse Michels? Yeah, I mean, like, the classic thing would be like Nordic grays, reptilians, like.
1:45:40 Speaker 02 What I found it was that, like, the Nordics, the grays and all that, fit into all four groups. So there are grays that hate us, grays that like us, grays that are more psychic than we are, grays that couldn't view their way out of a paper bag if the top was open, you know? And, like many of us, and, and that there was no, seemed to be no separating them according to type into any of those four groups that,
1:46:17 Speaker 02 at some point,
1:46:21 Speaker 02 there are people in any of those four groups that, I mean, in any race, that fit into all those four groups.
1:46:30 Jesse Michels? Have you ever seen a UFO in a hangar?
1:46:35 Speaker 02 Not in a hangar. Well, in the viewing of Mount Hayes, Mount, um, Mount Seal.
1:46:45 Jesse Michels? Have you ever seen a UFO in the possession of the American military? Not just a UFO that's flying around, you know, in the woods somewhere or something.
1:46:54 Speaker 02 The only one I've seen was in that hangar where the collision had taken place, and there was just a massive dump of, of debris and that,
1:47:07 Speaker 02 that control panel was there in that debris.
1:47:10 Jesse Michels? And so where was this? Where did you see this?
1:47:14 Speaker 02 You're back to where I can't.
1:47:16 Jesse Michels? Can't answer. Can't answer. But so you must have had a very high clearance at the time?
1:47:23 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, I had one of the highest clearances. Not only for the remote viewing, but for other stuff that I've done. Then will never be talked about and.
1:47:37 Speaker 02 I've heard that only 17 people have ever had that.
1:47:41 Jesse Michels? Really?
1:47:41 Speaker 02 I don't know if that's true or not.
1:47:43 Jesse Michels? So it's basically the highest clearance you can get?
1:47:47 Speaker 02 Oh, when I was given that clearance, I asked, he said, that's the highest clearance I've ever given to anybody. And I said, well, what is the highest clearance? He said, oh, there is one, but nobody ever gets it. And I said, what's that? And he said, truth.
1:48:05 Jesse Michels? Truth. I like that.
1:48:07 Speaker 02 Truth. Nobody learns the truth.
1:48:09 Jesse Michels? Yeah, that's funny. But you had the highest human clearance in the federal government.
1:48:14 Speaker 02 I just, I had the highest clearance of anybody I've ever met. And one time Bert and I were at lunch and he said, what is your clearance? And I said, oh, T S E S I psyop. And his utensils went down and he said, what? He said, I can't even get that.
1:48:41 Jesse Michels? Oh.
1:48:42 Speaker 02 And so anyway, but it was because of other work that.
1:48:49 Speaker 02 Outside of the remote viewing unit and outside of all the other that.
1:48:56 Speaker 02 I was doing.
1:48:58 Jesse Michels? Well, I think that clearance needs a little bit of a rebrand for our audience. That is not psyop, psychological operation.
1:49:04 Speaker 02 No, it's not. Strategic integrated operation, S I O P.
1:49:09 Jesse Michels? S I O P.
1:49:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:49:11 Jesse Michels? So don't get any ideas, but um, this UFO that you saw the debris of in a hangar, did you see that in person?
1:49:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:49:20 Jesse Michels? So that wasn't a remote viewing session?
1:49:22 Speaker 02 No, that wasn't a remote view. I was standing there in front of it and.
1:49:26 Jesse Michels? You were standing in front of a crashed UFO in a hangar.
1:49:30 Speaker 02 This hangar was dealing with midair collisions. And so the guy, my friend was showing me around and showing me how they put the planes back together and all that. And they had these piles of rubble all over and they were, you know, to figure out what happened with the midair collision. And we passed by this one. And here's the control panel of a UFO, which I had seen and operated before. And, uh, and I said, that's out of UFO. And it echoed in this metal Quonset building. And immediately, the
1:50:15 Speaker 02 Colonel who was in charge came running out of his office and I mean, just ran me out of the place.
1:50:24 Jesse Michels? A lot of questions. So you said something interesting there. You said, which I had operated before. So you knew that this was a UFO control panel because you had some prior experience with it?
1:50:36 Speaker 02 I had, I was, I had a, I was abducted. Okay.
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1:51:12 Speaker 02 Uh, I was a Methodist minister
1:51:16 Speaker 02 in East Texas. And the, um, Methodist use, they move their young preachers around from church to church to give them experience. Every year you move to a different church. And, uh, it was time to move. My family had already moved to the new parsonage.
1:51:37 Jesse Michels? And when you say parsonage?
1:51:39 Speaker 02 Parsonage is where the preacher lives. It's the house where the preacher lives.
1:51:43 Jesse Michels? Okay.
1:51:44 Speaker 02 I was cleaning out the old parsonage, got it all cleaned out. Everything was in the U-Haul. And it was late at night and I was tired. So I made a pallet down on the living room floor and laid down and I was wide awake and I heard something land in the backyard. Now, this was a country church. We were over a quarter mile off the nearest road in the woods and all that. And, and I heard something land in the backyard. And I knew it wasn't
1:52:29 Speaker 02 a helicopter. It didn't sound like a helicopter. It sounded like, um, the, the best example I can give is where some kid sticks a playing card into the spokes of his bicycle and, and you know, it was like that. And so I was gonna get up and go to the back room and see what was in the backyard. I couldn't move and I was wide awake. It wasn't sleep paralysis at all. I was wide awake. I couldn't move. And I heard somebody walking around the house
1:53:09 Speaker 02 to the front window, looking in. And immediately I woke up and I was sitting in a white room. There were two rows of seats and I was sitting here. There was an elderly, elderly woman sitting here. I tried talking to her and she was just frozen. And there were empty seats over here in the window. Now, when I fly, I have to have a window seat. I can't deal with being inside, you know, I, I have to have a window seat.
1:53:48 Jesse Michels? Especially on a UFO.
1:53:50 Speaker 02 Well, no, in a plane. And so I was sitting there and this tall, muscled up, must've been, must've been seven feet tall and muscled up like Arnold Schwarzenegger and just pale as could be, uh, came into the room there.
1:54:12 Speaker 02 And I said, excuse me, can I sit by the window? He got this look of fear on his face and turned around and ran out. And so a few minutes later, a little gray with three of these big guys huddled behind the gray for protection, you know, came in and the gray started talking to me and I would nod, almost go into sleep and then wake up. Finally, the gray said, you know, we've got work to do. Come with me. He took me up front. He was the pilot and he had me kneel down in front of the control panel.
1:54:56 Speaker 02 With me kneeling down and him standing, we were eye to eye. So that tells you his size, you know? But I was watching him. He was talking. We were talking to each other and all that. We, we would land. The tall white guys would go out and come back in. And I guess they were picking up more people. We'd take off again and finally he said, we're going on a long jump now. And so we went on this thing where we didn't land for quite a while. And I said, I've been watching. Can I, can I try it? And he said, no, human hands are too small. Well, I have some very large hands.
1:55:40 Speaker 02 And so, oh, he said, put your hand up. And I put my hand up. He put his up and his were almost the same, were almost the same size hands. And so he said, I'll let you try.
1:55:57 Speaker 02 And I tried it and didn't wreck the place. I didn't wreck the thing, but he was standing right over me just in case, you know? And so I tried it and I learned how to do it. Anyway, we landed at some place that was not earth. And the sky was black. The sun was out, but very dim. And, and.
1:56:24 Speaker 02 Looked out the window, the front window, and there were two other ships. There was a string of people going. And I asked him, what do you do here? And he said, we're a medical team. He said, um, we catch a lot of diseases going spaces around space. And he said, we have no immunity, but you people are like antibody factories. We use your antibodies for health. And he said, there are only three of, three of our ships and all that. And so anyway, um, came our time to get off and I filed back with the other people.
1:57:06 Speaker 02 And I was getting off and they were going up this, oh, path to a pavilion that was up on the hill. He grabbed me by the arm and he said, you don't want to go up there. And he pulled me over to the side and we sat down on the grass on the hillside. And the grass was totally black, which I found out from somebody later. They said, well, of course it was black with no bright sun. It had to absorb different rays and so it had to be black to absorb. I don't know. They gave me a scientific reason for it. But, um, as we sat there, we were talking and you could hear up on the hill, somebody
1:57:50 Speaker 02 would scream in horror and everybody would, else would laugh. And then they'd go quiet. And then somebody else would scream in horror and everybody would laugh and all that. And they, they took turns. And so I was glad I wasn't up there. But anyway, as we talked, he was answering questions and we were talking. And I said, well, what are you implanting in us?
1:58:18 Speaker 02 And he was confused. He said, we don't implant anything into you. I said, well, we find these, these glyce like things and things like that implanted in us. He said, oh, you people won't be still. The tips of our instruments break off. And I said, well, why do you stick those? He said, because we take one or two cells of our diseased tissue, put it on that tip and implanted into you and you will start making antibodies. And then we come back and harvest the antibodies. And he said, you people won't be still. The tips break off.
1:59:01 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
1:59:01 Speaker 02 And so that's what that was. So.
1:59:05 Jesse Michels? When you say that you heard laughing and then, you know, somebody would shout out.
1:59:10 Speaker 02 The whole gang would laugh while somebody was screaming and just pain and horror.
1:59:16 Jesse Michels? Do you think that was like an operation going on?
1:59:18 Speaker 02 They were doing something to them. I'm not sure what.
1:59:21 Jesse Michels? This antibody infusion?
1:59:23 Speaker 02 I guess, yeah.
1:59:24 Jesse Michels? Or this tissue infusion that would create the antibodies?
1:59:27 Speaker 02 I don't know. I wasn't up there. So, but that's what I'm guessing.
1:59:30 Jesse Michels? And this is once you've landed on, do you know where this other planet is?
1:59:34 Speaker 02 No, I don't. Uh oh. I just know it wasn't Earth. I knew that.
1:59:38 Jesse Michels? Is the other guy, you know, the seven foot guy who looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger?
1:59:43 Speaker 02 They were still on the ship, I guess. I was sitting there with the little gray on the, on the hillside.
1:59:49 Jesse Michels? So it's like the grays and the, you know, these like Nordic like things are working together?
1:59:54 Speaker 02 These weren't Nordics.
1:59:56 Jesse Michels? What were they?
1:59:57 Speaker 02 They were just, they struck me as being dumb as a rock.
2:00:02 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
2:00:02 Speaker 02 Oh, oh, they were just workers for the gray. I don't know what they were doing. They were going out and getting people and coming back.
2:00:13 Jesse Michels? How do you fly a UFO?
2:00:17 Speaker 02 Um, well, let me go in with the story. Okay.
2:00:22 Jesse Michels? Yeah, sure.
2:00:23 Speaker 02 Um, oh, when everybody came back down, uh, well, while we're there on the mountainside, on the hillside, um, the pilot said to me, I want some, I want you to meet somebody. He went off and got another one that came back, sat down on the hill behind me and said, put up your hand. Cause I put up my hand, he put his hand on the back of mine.
2:00:50 Speaker 02 And from that point on, I remembered nothing until the people were coming back down the hill. And I was in line with them getting back onto the ship. And, uh, I turned to the pilot and I said, I'd like to remember all this. And he said, well, you won't.
2:01:10 Speaker 02 So the next morning I was standing at the back window of the parsonage there, looking out, could not remember why I was there. I thought, well, I've been sleepwalking or what? And was just so confused for about five or six minutes. And then I realized, oh yeah, I'm moving to the new parsonage. So I gathered up the pallet I had made, threw it into the U-Haul and drove off thinking I've forgotten something.
2:01:46 Speaker 02 Over the next 25 years, that grew and grew and grew until I couldn't leave the house without going back five times. What have I forgotten? What have I forgotten? And, uh, no matter where we lived. And so one day we were headed for church and, uh, my wife was sick and tired of all this, you know? And, uh, so she said, did you check the basement? Yes, I checked the basement. Did you check the kitchen? Did you check the stove? Did you check, you know? And I said, yes. And she said, did you check the backyard?
2:02:23 Speaker 02 And when she said that, 25 years later, after the event, it all came flooding back.
2:02:31 Speaker 02 And I remembered. And I thought, this is stupid. I've never been abducted. Come on, give me a break. And but it hit me so hard, I sat down on the front steps and I just couldn't move. And so the next day, I was in the remote viewing unit by that time. The next day, I got some encrypted coordinates, just some numbers, and I gave it to all the people as a practice target. And they came back with what I had remembered.
2:03:05 Jesse Michels? Really?
2:03:07 Speaker 02 And so I thought, telepathic overlay, they're just reading my mind. It never happened. So evidently, it was Ed Dames that reported me. And the following week, I was up at the Defense Intelligence Agency, going to see the director. And the two men in black stepped out of the office, out of a little conference room, pointed in. And I knew the routine of the men in black. And so I went in and sat down. The men in black are not aliens, okay?
2:03:49 Speaker 02 They're a hired professional interrogator. And the other person who sits off to the side and never says anything is the person from a unit that has questions that they give to the interrogator, and he sits over there and listens for answers. That's why he sits over there and never says anything. And so the interrogator has a list of questions. He jumbles them back and forth and, you know, mixes them up and says them in different ways to see if you're going to trip yourself up. And so he was, he kept asking about the control panel.
2:04:32 Speaker 02 And um, and I thought when they stepped out in the hallway, I thought they want to see if somebody with my clearance has gone crazy. So I thought that's what it was in there for, but he kept asking about the control panel. And so about the fourth or fifth time he asked, I said, no, this is how you work it and explained it. And the guy over to the side slapped his leg and said, so that's it. I looked over and I realized he's got one and didn't know how to
2:05:12 Speaker 02 fly it. I looked back at the interrogator and grinned. The interrogator is trained to never make an expression of any kind, but his ears started turning red. I could tell he was angry. And within 20 seconds, I was in the room by myself. They were gone. And so I thought,
2:05:38 Speaker 02 maybe I was abducted. I don't know. Then about a year later, I was at this facility on this other mission, met this guy that I had known way back years before in the military, found out what he did. He showed me through this hangar. And that's where I came across this pile. And I said, that's out of a UFO and got kicked out of there. But the minute I saw that, I thought,
2:06:14 Speaker 02 shit, I was abducted.
2:06:18 Jesse Michels? What did the control panel look like?
2:06:20 Speaker 02 Um, it has a, an impression of a hand on it. This one, the one in the hangar did. The one on the ship didn't. Um, had the impression of a hand. There are holes over it. Okay. And where you put your finger over the hole is what
2:06:42 Speaker 02 Works the uh works the controls the ship.
2:06:47 Jesse Michels? Any sort of surface materials metallic?
2:06:51 Speaker 02 Metal, yeah.
2:06:52 Jesse Michels? Metal.
2:06:53 Speaker 02 But um.
2:06:54 Jesse Michels? Is it gray?
2:06:55 Speaker 02 It's the holes, the holes where you put your, where you stop one of the holes up. That's how they control the ship.
2:07:02 Jesse Michels? Was it gray or any particular color?
2:07:06 Speaker 02 It was just metal as far as I remember, yeah.
2:07:11 Jesse Michels? And so when you said, I think that's a control panel from a UFO, you clearly hit a nerve.
2:07:17 Speaker 02 I said, that's out of a UFO. I was definite statement, that's out of UFO and it just echoed in that hangar and uh.
2:07:26 Jesse Michels? And they got angry immediately.
2:07:28 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, they kicked me out, man. Uh with warnings, they kicked me out, you know?
2:07:35 Jesse Michels? What, what were the warnings?
2:07:37 Speaker 02 You don't tell this about anybody, you know, uh you don't ever mention this about anybody.
2:07:45 Jesse Michels? Why do you feel okay talking about it now?
2:07:47 Speaker 02 Uh because I can talk about it, I can't tell you where it is.
2:07:52 Jesse Michels? It's no context is okay?
2:07:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:07:54 Jesse Michels? Yeah. And uh when were you abducted, what year?
2:08:01 Speaker 02 It was 25 years before that, so it'd be uh
2:08:07 Speaker 02 sixty
2:08:10 Speaker 02 sixty-three, sixty-five, somewhere around there.
2:08:13 Jesse Michels? Sure, and was it uh from your place and were you in New Mexico at the time or?
2:08:17 Speaker 02 No, I was in Texas.
2:08:18 Jesse Michels? You're in Texas?
2:08:19 Speaker 02 Um um in East Texas, East Texas church, yeah.
2:08:24 Jesse Michels? Hmm, and did that have any transformative, you mentioned some abductees, you know, have greater psychic powers. Did that, you know, change you in any sort of way?
2:08:35 Speaker 02 I don't think so. Um, like I say, growing up
2:08:42 Speaker 02 when I was twelve and fifteen, I was all this PK stuff and uh I had had some psychic experiences when I was young and all through life, but nothing astounding of any way.
2:09:01 Speaker 02 And then when Bert put me into the remote viewing unit, that's where I learned.
2:09:09 Speaker 02 The controlled remote viewing to use your psychic ability to collect intelligence.
2:09:14 Jesse Michels? Hmm. So fascinating. Hmm.
2:09:20 Jesse Michels? How long do you do you feel like you were on this UFO for when you were abducted?
2:09:25 Speaker 02 Well, it was, it felt like hours and it felt like a long time.
2:09:32 Jesse Michels? Did you have missing time at all, like in in the real world?
2:09:36 Speaker 02 Well, I was there on the pallet in the living room. And the next morning I was standing at the back window, looking out at the backyard.
2:09:49 Speaker 02 So had to be just overnight, you know?
2:09:54 Jesse Michels? Did anyone in your family ask what had happened to you?
2:09:59 Speaker 02 No, because when I left, I went to the new personage. I felt like I'd forgotten something at the other personage, but I didn't remember any of it for 25 years.
2:10:12 Jesse Michels? Until, so was it, it was the control panel that you saw in the hangar? That freaked you out and made you remember the abduction?
2:10:21 Speaker 02 It was when my wife said, did you check the backyard?
2:10:24 Jesse Michels? Okay.
2:10:25 Speaker 02 And she was making fun of me, but when she said that,
2:10:30 Speaker 02 it all came back.
2:10:32 Jesse Michels? Really?
2:10:32 Speaker 02 And so the next Monday, I went to work there at the remote viewing unit, gave them the task and they confirmed it. I didn't believe it.
2:10:43 Speaker 02 The men in black confirmed it. I didn't believe it.
2:10:47 Speaker 02 A year later, I saw that pile of stuff in that hangar, saw the control panel and that's when I said,
2:10:57 Speaker 02 shit, I was abducted.
2:11:01 Jesse Michels? Got it. So, so what you had the flashback when your wife said, go check the backyard?
2:11:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, but that was.
2:11:09 Jesse Michels? Why, why did that give you the flashback?
2:11:12 Speaker 02 Evidently because when that happened, I was trying to get up and go to the backyard and see what, what happened, what landed.
2:11:23 Speaker 02 And so I didn't remember the whole, I didn't remember any of it. When I drove away from the Parsons that day to go to the new, to the new house.
2:11:36 Speaker 02 All I could think of was how to get to the new house and also the feeling that, hey, I forgot something.
2:11:45 Jesse Michels? Did you have an implant at any point in your body afterwards?
2:11:49 Speaker 02 No.
2:11:51 Speaker 02 He, he grabbed my by the arm and he said, you don't want to go up there. So.
2:11:56 Jesse Michels? So how do you fly a UFO? Cause it presumably this gray sort of taught you.
2:12:02 Speaker 02 He showed me the fingering and all that. And that's when I explained to the interrogator. And that's when the guy said, slapped his leg. He said, so that's it.
2:12:12 Jesse Michels? Is there some sort of mental connection?
2:12:15 Speaker 02 No.
2:12:16 Jesse Michels? Just putting the fingers.
2:12:17 Speaker 02 Just how you work the control panel.
2:12:19 Jesse Michels? Because if I was the guy in the hangar, you said they had other crashed, you know, prosa.
2:12:24 Speaker 02 They had crashed airplanes.
2:12:25 Jesse Michels? Crashed airplanes.
2:12:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:12:26 Jesse Michels? So if I had other crashed airplanes and I was an aerospace person and I saw a control panel and it had a like, you know, five different little holes for, for your fingers.
2:12:37 Speaker 02 It had a bunch of holes. Yeah.
2:12:38 Jesse Michels? So I, my, my maybe like initial assumption would be that's how you, you know, fly it. But he didn't figure that out on his own.
2:12:47 Speaker 02 I imagine a, a regular ornatorics person would think what a piece of junk.
2:12:52 Jesse Michels? Yeah, or that, or they just would have no idea. So he didn't even know it was a control panel. Yeah.
2:12:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:12:57 Jesse Michels? Interesting.
2:12:58 Speaker 02 But evidently somebody knew it was a control panel.
2:13:01 Jesse Michels? Because they got mad and kicked you out.
2:13:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:13:05 Jesse Michels? But it was just sitting there like kind of unintended to?
2:13:08 Speaker 02 It was in a pile over to one side.
2:13:10 Jesse Michels? Interesting. So bizarre. Was this?
2:13:16 Jesse Michels? Do you think they had any intention of reverse engineering it?
2:13:20 Speaker 02 I have no idea. We just were walking past pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage, pile of wreckage. And there was this one pile of wreckage and there was that control panels.
2:13:30 Jesse Michels? Did you?
2:13:31 Speaker 02 Just sitting up there.
2:13:32 Jesse Michels? Did you experience any sort of psychic phenomena like around the metal that sometimes occurs? Okay.
2:13:39 Speaker 02 No.
2:13:40 Jesse Michels? It was just there?
2:13:41 Speaker 02 I just saw it and hey, that's out of UFO.
2:13:45 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:13:47 Jesse Michels? It's pretty wild.
2:13:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:13:49 Jesse Michels? Has anyone else showed you a photo or a drawing of their abduction experience? That looks at all like this control panel that you saw?
2:13:57 Speaker 02 No, not a one. But then they never show you the inside of the ship, I don't think. Oh, I've never seen anything like that. They mean, they tell stories about their abduction and all that, but.
2:14:12 Jesse Michels? Did you ever come across a guy named General William Neil McCaslin?
2:14:17 Speaker 02 No.
2:14:18 Jesse Michels? Who's at Wright Patterson?
2:14:19 Speaker 02 No, I didn't.
2:14:21 Jesse Michels? Uh, did you ever come across Hans Adams by any chance? The Lichtenstein Royal Prince?
2:14:27 Speaker 02 No.
2:14:28 Jesse Michels? Okay.
2:14:29 Speaker 02 In fact, the, you know, uh,
2:14:34 Speaker 02 UFOs that, oh, I've seen a lot of UFOs. I mean, I live in Alamo Gordo. We see UFOs all the time. And I mean, provable UFOs and, um, it's gotten to where,
2:14:53 Speaker 02 yeah, it's a UFO. So?
2:14:56 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
2:14:57 Speaker 02 So what? And they're here. I know it. So? So what? There's nothing I can do about it.
2:15:06 Jesse Michels? Do you think there's also a lineage of exotic propulsion that's manmade?
2:15:13 Speaker 02 What my friend who did the technology transfer with one of the groups of aliens told me at one time, he said, way back when, we found that if you explode something, it moves things, it blows things away. So you can cause motion by exploding things. And that has led to the internal combustion engine and the jet plane and all that who exploded and makes things move. He said that the group he dealt with way back when
2:15:51 Speaker 02 they found that you can move things with magnets and that just as we have taken the fire and turned it into rockets that can go to other planets, you know, that can go to the moon, they have taken magnetism and over the centuries they have developed it to where, and he said, one of the things that he had seen was that we think they're so more advanced than we are, they think we're so far advanced than they are, when actually we've just advanced in two different directions. But he said, that's why they're eager to trade with us.
2:16:38 Jesse Michels? Interesting, because we've like, almost split off from them as far as our trajectories.
2:16:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:16:45 Jesse Michels? Is there anything having to do with timelines? Like, are they us on a different timeline sort of thing?
2:16:51 Speaker 02 Not from anything I've heard him say.
2:16:56 Jesse Michels? Did you ever encounter any religious figures in your experience with remote viewing?
2:17:01 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
2:17:03 Jesse Michels? Like who?
2:17:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, but not, not tied with ETs or anything like that.
2:17:09 Jesse Michels? Were you ever tasked with looking into the Buddha or Jesus or Muhammad? Which one of those?
2:17:17 Speaker 02 Two that were most meaningful to me. Uh, one time, um, well, I think we already mentioned that one of my fortes was, um, mental excess. And, um, so I was tasked a lot of times with doing personality profiles, or even deeper than that, getting the plans and intentions of foreign leaders. And, uh, personality profile is just where you give a personality profile. So I went over one day and, um, they said, we have a personality profile for you. And they gave me the coordinates and, um,
2:18:04 Speaker 02 just almost immediately, I said, uh, this isn't one of the bad guys.
2:18:12 Speaker 02 And, uh, my monitor said, would your task with it, go ahead and do the session. By the end of that session, um,
2:18:23 Speaker 02 I was just feeling like I was glowing and, um, my entire summary on that session was whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. It's a good guy. And, um, in that session, I found myself again with the perfect side integration. I was standing there and this little Jewish looking guy was standing in front of me in a modern business suit. And we didn't talk so much as just, you know, related to each other and all that.
2:19:08 Speaker 02 And, um, I felt just dirty in front of this guy. And basically what he let me know was, whatever evil you've done, I've seen a whole lot worse. Whatever you're good you've done, I've seen a whole lot better. And I don't care. I like you anyway.
2:19:34 Speaker 02 And when I came out of the session, that's what I knew. But what I wrote was, whatever evil you think this guy did, he didn't do it. You know, it's a good guy. And that's when the monitor opened the envelope and our director had written the word Jesus on it. So I cannot say I physically met Jesus, but I have had the experience of it. And it changed my life. It really did.
2:20:09 Jesse Michels? What did you feel when you were in his presence?
2:20:11 Speaker 02 Oh, I felt dirty. I felt so dirty. I felt so guilty of myself and everything else. I felt, you know.
2:20:20 Jesse Michels? But you felt loved?
2:20:21 Speaker 02 Huh?
2:20:22 Jesse Michels? Did you also feel loved?
2:20:23 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, absolutely. When he said, I don't care. He said, I love you anyway, you know? And
2:20:31 Jesse Michels? Why was he, you know, think of Jesus in a, you know, business suit? Why do you think he was?
2:20:36 Speaker 02 I think that was a way of saying he's not a thing out of the past and, you know, wearing robes and all that. He's here today.
2:20:48 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
2:20:49 Speaker 02 I, that's the only interpretation I can get of that.
2:20:53 Jesse Michels? Did he look like Jesus is traditionally depicted?
2:20:56 Speaker 02 No, nowhere near. No, no. I mean, this looked like a short little Jewish guy.
2:21:02 Jesse Michels? Where was he? And what was he just kind of?
2:21:05 Speaker 02 He was just standing there in front of me. Yeah.
2:21:08 Jesse Michels? In, in like hyperspace or in a room or?
2:21:10 Speaker 02 In a room. Yeah. And it was all dark in the room, but we were there, you know?
2:21:14 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:21:15 Speaker 02 And
2:21:16 Jesse Michels? Did you have a remote view any other religious figures or mystics?
2:21:21 Speaker 02 One other time, they had done this with Bill Ray. And they did it with me. They probably did it with all the others.
2:21:36 Speaker 02 Oh, I was to do a, you know, just a target. They didn't even say personality profile or anything like that. And I found myself surrounded by total darkness, but I was standing in some light. I couldn't figure out where the light was coming from. And I heard this voice that said, you know, um, um, you know, wealth to me and all that. And I said, well, what am I doing here? And said, you're here to learn. I said, okay. What am I supposed
2:22:20 Speaker 02 to learn? And there was no answer. And I said, well, look, give me something. And the voice said, I've given you everything you need. What I give you now, I give through you, not to you.
2:22:41 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
2:22:42 Speaker 02 And when I came out of the session and they opened the envelope, it said, God.
2:22:48 Jesse Michels? Really?
2:22:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:22:51 Jesse Michels? Did you see God?
2:22:53 Speaker 02 I didn't. But I heard the voice clearly. From now on, everything I give you, I give through you, not to you.
2:23:02 Jesse Michels? What did you feel in God's presence?
2:23:04 Speaker 02 Oh, total confusion. I was, I was thinking, hey, I've got a target. I've got, I've got to write a report on this, you know. But, uh,
2:23:17 Jesse Michels? Did you feel awestruck?
2:23:18 Speaker 02 No, I was in an empty room hearing a voice.
2:23:25 Jesse Michels? Did you feel love?
2:23:26 Speaker 02 Not really. Oh, the, the voice was, I mean, just.
2:23:37 Speaker 02 More friendly than you'd ever know, you know, and kind and all that.
2:23:43 Jesse Michels? Do you think you actually spoke to God?
2:23:49 Speaker 02 I think God spoke to me, yeah. And I think what I was there to learn was, from now on, I give through you, not to you.
2:24:02 Jesse Michels? Do you think on the remote viewing program, anybody ever engaged in sort of deception or trickery? Or do you think it was always pretty straightforward? They gave you a target?
2:24:14 Speaker 02 Well, we had constructive trickery.
2:24:20 Speaker 02 I know one time,
2:24:23 Speaker 02 we had one of the viewers go over and one of the things you have to learn in remote viewing is how to overcome pollution. And so we were never supposed to pollute each other.
2:24:37 Speaker 02 But you don't learn how to overcome pollution by not facing it. And so one time, one of the viewers was going over and he'd been having trouble with fighting pollution. And so we had the coffee pot and he always got coffee to take over with him to the other building when he did a session. And it was a practice session. And so I went up and got my coffee at the same time. And right as he finished fixing his coffee and turned to go away, I said, oh, by the way,
2:25:14 Speaker 02 your target today is probably not the Eiffel Tower.
2:25:19 Speaker 02 And I turned and walked away back to my desk and left him standing there having to fight the Eiffel Tower.
2:25:29 Speaker 02 And we would do things like that to each other, you know?
2:25:32 Jesse Michels? Why do you think they asked you to remote view God and Jesus?
2:25:36 Speaker 02 It was, I think, something they did for all of us.
2:25:41 Jesse Michels? Why?
2:25:42 Speaker 02 They, Bill Ray, I know, they had him remote view Buddha and that was
2:25:51 Speaker 02 change, life-changing experience for him. And I think they did that to all of us, just,
2:25:59 Speaker 02 just to give us the experience. Many of the targets we got.
2:26:06 Speaker 02 Where to gain experience and how to view things.
2:26:09 Jesse Michels? Did you view anything historical that they want like, did they ever say, "Look at the French Revolution," or "Look at the," you know?
2:26:17 Speaker 02 We did those because there was feedback. They wouldn't give us targets for which there was no feedback because you can't judge.
2:26:25 Jesse Michels? What's an example of a famous historical event that you remote view?
2:26:28 Speaker 02 Oh, things like Joan of Arc.
2:26:34 Jesse Michels? What did, what did Joan of Arc? What did, what did those two look like?
2:26:38 Speaker 02 Um, Joan of Arc, uh, different parts of her life. Uh, we also, um,
2:26:49 Speaker 02 just events in history, uh, historical places.
2:26:53 Jesse Michels? What was Napoleon like?
2:26:55 Speaker 02 Um, Napoleon was, um, just egotistical like you wouldn't believe. I mean, he was God's favorite in all this, you know, and, and he was,
2:27:14 Speaker 02 he was his own hero.
2:27:16 Jesse Michels? Is there anything you can say about Napoleon that isn't conventionally known, but that you learned through your remote viewing of him?
2:27:23 Speaker 02 I'm not sure what's conventionally known.
2:27:26 Jesse Michels? Well, I think people think of him as like this, yeah, chip on his shoulder because his dad was,
2:27:31 Speaker 02 Oh, did he?
2:27:32 Jesse Michels? Yeah, yeah. Cause his dad was a Corsican governor. So that was off the coast of France. And, you know, he didn't.
2:27:39 Speaker 02 Well, the one thing that I really know about him is the time that, uh, he had the War of the Rabbits. Have you heard of that one?
2:27:46 Jesse Michels? No.
2:27:49 Speaker 02 It was a celebration of some big event that he did. And, um, so he was going to have all of his generals come out to do a rabbit hunt, a wild rabbit hunt. And they couldn't find enough rabbits. So they got all these tame rabbits from rabbit razors and all that. And right before the thing, event, they let them loose in the woods.
2:28:16 Speaker 02 Well, the rabbits saw the humans and thought, oh, feeding time. And so all the rabbits ran toward the generals and just swarmed the generals. And the generals started running and Napoleon himself had to jump into his cart. There were hundreds of them, had to jump into his cart, you know, into his carriage. And as the carriage went away, he was throwing rabbits out the window. He lost the war to the rabbits.
2:28:47 Jesse Michels? Whoa, is this documented?
2:28:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's documented.
2:28:50 Jesse Michels? And you saw it?
2:28:52 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Uh huh. And I give it now as a, as a target to my students here.
2:28:58 Jesse Michels? What's the most disturbing thing you've ever seen historically?
2:29:03 Speaker 02 Oh, historically?
2:29:05 Jesse Michels? Or not historically, could have been contemporary or historic.
2:29:09 Speaker 02 Um, there are a lot of, um, in humanities that humans do. And I know a lot of police work. Um, finding missing children. I have a lot of students who come and they say, well, I want to help find missing children. And I warn them ahead of time. In order to do that, you're going to have to experience where the children are, what they're going through and all that. And you're going to actually experience children being molested,
2:29:53 Speaker 02 killed, chopped into pieces and buried across acres of land. Do you really want to do that, you know? And I always tell beginning students, do not get involved in this until you're highly, highly trained. Cause it can mess you up emotionally like you wouldn't believe.
2:30:15 Jesse Michels? I mean, highly trained and highly, highly desensitized. I don't know how anybody wouldn't be, you know, broken into many pieces emotionally.
2:30:25 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Oh, it can, it can be.
2:30:28 Jesse Michels? Jesus.
2:30:28 Speaker 02 Really bad. Yeah.
2:30:30 Jesse Michels? Um, all right. Well, we got to take it to a more positive place after that. What about all these missing scientists? Have you looked into any of them? So I mentioned.
2:30:41 Speaker 02 I haven't been tasked with it, so I haven't done it. Yeah.
2:30:43 Jesse Michels? Could I task you with it?
2:30:46 Speaker 02 You can, we won't have any feedback for who knows how long.
2:30:51 Jesse Michels? Okay. All right. Well, let's talk after this.
2:30:53 Speaker 02 All right.
2:30:56 Jesse Michels? Do you have any, has anybody tasked you with anything on this Hanta virus? This like people are worried about this COVID 2.0 virus that's seems like it's caused some issues on this cruise ship. And, you know, people think it might cause another pandemic.
2:31:11 Speaker 02 Not directly on that. Back in 1998, I was tasked with viewing the future of the US. It wound up viewed the future of the world up through the year 2050. And I turned in this whole long list of changes that were going to happen. And I have watched them come true, one after another, after another. And
2:31:45 Speaker 02 would it, just glossing over everything?
2:31:52 Speaker 02 We're going down.
2:31:54 Jesse Michels? Really?
2:31:55 Speaker 02 It's going to be some hard, hard, hard times that's going to result in
2:32:04 Speaker 02 quite a bit of warfare, quite a bit of.
2:32:10 Speaker 02 One of the things it pointed out was killing off of 75% of the world population.
2:32:18 Jesse Michels? What?
2:32:19 Speaker 02 75%.
2:32:21 Jesse Michels? With what?
2:32:24 Speaker 02 Manmade disasters like earthquakes and so on. Also, you know, it gave a list of other things, but what I found was that by the year about 2040.
2:32:38 Speaker 02 There will be almost no centralized government. Uh, we will um be an agrarian society. Uh, any goods that we can't make for ourselves or grow for ourselves will be delivered. And there will be almost no social interaction with a few people that are left, except through technology. And uh, um, one of the things was you can make your own tools. And I thought, how in the world can you make your own tools? In 1998, they didn't have 3D printers.
2:33:19 Speaker 02 And yet I saw people just going to this machine and making their own tools.
2:33:25 Jesse Michels? Well, this sounds terrible. Uh, but earlier you mentioned that we are bound to be a spacefaring species and the only way to do that is to have one world government. But in this sort of prophecy, it feels like there's no central government. So how do you, those two?
2:33:45 Speaker 02 I think it's going to wind up after that. So I don't think we're going to get into space until around 2080 or even afterwards.
2:33:52 Jesse Michels? Okay. I mean, when you say into space, because we're technically in space now, you mean?
2:33:57 Speaker 02 Well, we're technically in space, but I mean into space as a community of the space, you know, of space.
2:34:04 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
2:34:05 Speaker 02 I mean, right now, we can go to the moon. Maybe we can go to Mars, that's it.
2:34:10 Jesse Michels? If humans can bi-locate with their consciousness, do you think there's a secret space program, which has a ridiculous connotation? But do you think there is a secret space program involving human consciousness where humans bi-locate systematically to other planets?
2:34:25 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:34:28 Jesse Michels? You're smiling.
2:34:29 Speaker 02 I think so. Yes.
2:34:32 Jesse Michels? Do you think so? Or do you know so?
2:34:34 Speaker 02 I'm not involved.
2:34:37 Jesse Michels? Sounds like you might know so, but.
2:34:40 Speaker 02 But have we done that? Yeah, I've done that. Yeah.
2:34:43 Jesse Michels? You've done that.
2:34:44 Speaker 02 But.
2:34:45 Jesse Michels? Outside of just.
2:34:46 Speaker 02 If there is an effort, I'm not involved.
2:34:48 Jesse Michels? Okay. Fascinating.
2:34:52 Speaker 02 But is it possible? Yeah, been there, done that. But.
2:34:56 Jesse Michels? Well, I was just thinking, you said.
2:34:58 Speaker 02 Didn't get, didn't get the T-shirt.
2:35:01 Jesse Michels? Fair enough. Well, you hit no gift shop. Well, you, you, you mentioned your Mars story. And then, you know, I'm thinking in my head, if you can systematically do that. And there are stories that go back to 17th century Swedish mystic Emanuel Swedenborg, you know, saying he went to other planets and coming back. If there is a science behind that.
2:35:20 Speaker 02 There is, and.
2:35:25 Speaker 02 I didn't mention that there's also. What they're calling remote influencing, which is actually a form of remote persuasion. But you can mentally. Interact telepathically with others, pass messages back and forth and all that. We've learned how to do that.
2:35:46 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:35:47 Speaker 02 Not hard, whether that's people on Earth or beings on another planet. It's actually very easy to do. At the extreme highest levels of C R V, yeah.
2:35:59 Jesse Michels? Have you ever worked with a guy who supposedly ran the CIA weird desk, Kit Green?
2:36:05 Speaker 02 Oh, I know of Kit Green.
2:36:07 Jesse Michels? Okay. Have you ever been experimented? With vis a vis radiation to see if that would affect your psychic abilities?
2:36:18 Speaker 02 Oh, for that?
2:36:20 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
2:36:20 Speaker 02 No, for that, but we can detect. Radiation quite easily. Uh, not only, you know, like particle, particle weapons and all that.
2:36:34 Speaker 02 Or radiation like, you know, uranium and. Radiant.
2:36:42 Speaker 02 Radium and all that, but also. Just.
2:36:49 Speaker 02 Transmitters, you know, radio transmitters. Oh, it's very possible. Like if the enemy in the field is transmitting, we know generally what their frequency band is because we know what frequency bands the other country uses. Okay. But you can say to a remote viewer, um, uh, remote view this thing and you'll come up and see something sticking up a pole or something like that. And it's glowing, let's say, um,
2:37:31 Speaker 02 you take the visible spectrum and spread it out over their radio frequency spectrum they have. And you look for the blue, green. Now you know what,
2:37:43 Speaker 02 what frequency they're transmitting on. You tune your radio to that frequency and you intercept their traffic.
2:37:50 Jesse Michels? Hmm. It's interesting that areas of high entropy and nuclear are easier to remote view. Uh, because I think of the UFO nuclear connection.
2:38:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:38:03 Jesse Michels? And it seems like UFOs show up around nukes and areas of high entropy. And it almost feels like they do cleanup jobs around Chernobyl.
2:38:11 Speaker 02 I've written a, I've written a paper about that, that
2:38:17 Speaker 02 if it's true,
2:38:21 Speaker 02 shows that it has nothing to do with that at all as to why they show up.
2:38:26 Jesse Michels? So why do they show up?
2:38:28 Speaker 02 Um,
2:38:31 Speaker 02 I don't even know if there's a short method, elevator method of saying this. Space time continuum. Okay.
2:38:43 Speaker 02 Time is a part of spacetime continuum. Space is three dimensional. Time has got to be three dimensional too.
2:38:52 Jesse Michels? People think of it as the fourth dimension.
2:38:54 Speaker 02 It's not. It is a part of three dimensional space, time. Okay. Therefore, let's say that, um, um, you know how in ancient times, the sun went around the earth and the heavens went around the earth and we were the center of everything, right?
2:39:17 Jesse Michels? Yes.
2:39:18 Speaker 02 We look at time the same way. We're here and time comes toward us and it goes past us and all that. Bullcrap. Time is a part of the spacetime continuum. It's linear because we're going through it. Okay. So if there's a disturbance in spacetime continuum out here, as we go toward it, we can get, you know, some of the waves of what it's of it coming. Therefore, we can see what we call our future.
2:40:02 Speaker 02 We're just picking up on where we are in the spacetime continuum as we go through it. Uh, we can look into the past and see what was there. But spacetime, time itself stands still. And we're passing through it. Therefore, if there's some big disturbance in the spacetime continuum, we will be attracted to it. Some other people going through the space-time continuum in another way will also be attracted to it. And it's like two trains coming into a train station at the same time.
2:40:43 Speaker 02 And their Bigfoot pops in and then it disappears because we go on.
2:40:51 Jesse Michels? So the disturbance creates some sort of inward pull between
2:40:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:40:56 Jesse Michels? timelines.
2:40:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:40:57 Jesse Michels? And you get a collision of worlds.
2:40:59 Speaker 02 When we cross at the same time, we see a portal open. We see a UFO suddenly pop into existence and suddenly pop out and things like that.
2:41:11 Jesse Michels? You remote viewed Chernobyl?
2:41:13 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, ahead of time. Yeah. Three days, three days before it happened.
2:41:17 Jesse Michels? You predicted it?
2:41:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:41:18 Jesse Michels? Whoa.
2:41:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:41:20 Jesse Michels? And what did people say?
2:41:22 Speaker 02 Oh, um, the task on that was, um, describe what's going to be on the headlines in the Sunday paper. That was on Friday.
2:41:34 Speaker 02 Oh, what I got was the Chernobyl meltdown.
2:41:39 Speaker 02 Well,
2:41:42 Speaker 02 Iceland detected the radiation cloud coming over on Tuesday. And Tuesday was when the news came out about Chernobyl. And therefore, the Sunday paper did not have the Chernobyl event in it, even though it had already happened. And so I got a zero because it was wrong.
2:42:09 Jesse Michels? Wow. Well, I think you got it. You got it right. But
2:42:12 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, I got it right. Described everything, even the purpose, how it happened and everything else. But, uh,
2:42:18 Jesse Michels? When you say the purpose, or like what, what caused it?
2:42:22 Speaker 02 What caused it?
2:42:22 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
2:42:23 Speaker 02 And also the purpose. There was a purpose.
2:42:26 Jesse Michels? What was the purpose?
2:42:30 Speaker 02 Six tons of fissionable material that was at the plant, not in the reactors, but it was at the plant.
2:42:42 Speaker 02 Was missing, has been missing and is unaccounted for.
2:42:47 Jesse Michels? Whoa. Where do you think it's at?
2:42:50 Speaker 02 I know where it's at.
2:42:52 Jesse Michels? You can't say?
2:42:53 Speaker 02 Um, I won't say, but yeah, I know where it's at. Oh, but it was, um, it was.
2:43:01 Jesse Michels? So you think that was a little, you know, uh, intentional job being done?
2:43:06 Speaker 02 I think so.
2:43:07 Jesse Michels? Not just a little meltdown?
2:43:08 Speaker 02 No, uh, no.
2:43:09 Jesse Michels? Whoa.
2:43:10 Speaker 02 Yeah. Uh, but you know, it's.
2:43:14 Jesse Michels? And your, well, your conviction level on that is?
2:43:16 Speaker 02 Pretty really high.
2:43:17 Jesse Michels? Over 90?
2:43:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
2:43:20 Jesse Michels? Close to a hundred?
2:43:21 Speaker 02 Yeah. No, close to a hundred. Yeah.
2:43:24 Jesse Michels? Does anybody else in open source world believe this?
2:43:28 Speaker 02 I think so.
2:43:29 Jesse Michels? Okay. So other people talk about?
2:43:30 Speaker 02 Nobody can account for the missing stockpile that was there and is now, and is no longer there.
2:43:38 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:43:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:43:40 Jesse Michels? I gotta look into that. Um, you also were tasked with looking into a Russian death ray?
2:43:47 Speaker 02 Yeah. Um, they, um, the Russians were developing a, um, particle beam weapon at Semipolitinsk. And, um, so somebody in one of our science groups or something wanted to know what happens inside the beam. Well, on a particle beam weapon, you can't stick an instrument inside to find out what's happening because it vaporizes it immediately. So somebody had the genius idea of sticking a remote viewer into the beam.
2:44:27 Speaker 02 And so they came out and they told us ahead of time, you know, and, uh, I thought, that'd be neat. So I volunteered for it and, um, the, um, we worked it to the point where I had the perfect side integration. I was standing there in front of this beam and I stepped into it. And when I did, um,
2:45:00 Speaker 02 Even time itself is messed up inside that beam. And the, uh, the whole list of experiences just phenomenal. One of the things was, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. Just, uh, the colors and everything else. But, uh, what I got was that the, uh, the particles in the beam are not shooting straight like light does. They swirl as they go. And that was what the scientists wanted to know. And so that was the part that, that they accepted back.
2:45:45 Speaker 02 All the other experiences were just mine that I had, and I don't think anybody cared.
2:45:51 Jesse Michels? So some of your remote viewing was in the service of fundamental science espionage?
2:45:57 Speaker 02 Well, you do what your test to do.
2:45:59 Jesse Michels? Hmm.
2:45:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:46:02 Jesse Michels? So interesting.
2:46:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:46:05 Jesse Michels? Your fellow remote viewer, who was highly skilled, who we mentioned earlier in this interview, Pat Price, died in a very mysterious way.
2:46:12 Speaker 02 I never met him.
2:46:13 Jesse Michels? You never met him. Do you have any theories as to why he died? Or some people think that maybe he was killed. I think Hal Puthoff has publicly speculated about that.
2:46:23 Speaker 02 Um, yeah. Uh, I've heard other stories from people who were there, who, uh, tell a different story from the story that's published. And also, uh, I've heard that a couple of years later, he was seen in a department store in Washington DC.
2:46:50 Speaker 02 And, uh, the, um, head of the Department of Security, uh, years later said, Pat Price died and we haven't heard from him since.
2:47:03 Jesse Michels? Whoa. Yeah, that's a little coded message there.
2:47:06 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
2:47:08 Jesse Michels? Interesting. So you think he might still be alive or lived for a while after that?
2:47:13 Speaker 02 He was cremated and all that, but um, I've heard that the ambulance that picked him up was an unmarked ambulance, drove away and uh, his body was never seen since.
2:47:28 Jesse Michels? Why do you think?
2:47:28 Speaker 02 To his family or anybody.
2:47:30 Jesse Michels? That's crazy. Why do you think that the US hasn't gone back to the moon? We, we just had the Artemis mission where we sort of flew around the moon. But since 1972, since Apollo 17, I believe, we have not gone back to the moon.
2:47:45 Speaker 02 And I have no idea. Um, oh, I think we should go back.
2:47:52 Jesse Michels? What do you think happens with the future of UFO disclosure? Do you think in, you know, 20, 30 years, it sounds like you are predicting some calamities and some catastrophe, uh, some population reduction?
2:48:05 Speaker 02 Well, not, not dealing with UFO, not dealing with UFOs and the ETs.
2:48:10 Jesse Michels? No, no, I know.
2:48:11 Speaker 02 We're gonna do that to ourselves, you know?
2:48:12 Jesse Michels? Yeah, which that sucks. Um, but, but alongside that, it does feel like right now there's a lot of momentum behind UFO disclosure.
2:48:21 Speaker 02 You know, I think the disclosure is gonna come out.
2:48:24 Jesse Michels? You do?
2:48:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:48:25 Jesse Michels? And so, and what do you think the world looks like on that dimension in 20 years? Do you think it's like academia is teaching UFO classes? And, you know, these are the alien races that are visiting us, that sort of thing?
2:48:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think the, um, we will get exposure to the ETs, you know, physical exposure to the ETs, uh, within several years. But, um,
2:48:52 Jesse Michels? You do.
2:48:53 Speaker 02 For us to be in space and join the community out there, oh, that's gonna take a long time.
2:49:00 Jesse Michels? But you think they're gonna reveal their presence in a more kind of widespread, obvious way?
2:49:06 Speaker 02 I think so.
2:49:06 Jesse Michels? Near term?
2:49:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:49:08 Jesse Michels? Next few years?
2:49:10 Speaker 02 I think they're already doing it, yeah.
2:49:12 Jesse Michels? Okay.
2:49:12 Speaker 02 And, um, um, you know, if you were out there.
2:49:20 Speaker 02 Would you want the Earth people coming out and dealing with them? I wouldn't.
2:49:26 Jesse Michels? I don't know. It sort of depends on a million different factors. But yeah, if you were some super, you know, pure ancient and advanced race of beings. Yeah, maybe, maybe you wouldn't want to deal with the little chimps.
2:49:37 Speaker 02 Like I say, they've advanced in a different direction. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say they're more advanced.
2:49:43 Jesse Michels? Sure.
2:49:43 Speaker 02 Not all of them, yeah.
2:49:45 Jesse Michels? Yeah. How do you reconcile your kind of religious inclinations with all of this UFO and alien knowledge?
2:49:55 Speaker 02 I see no problem with it. Oh, oh, I think you would be an absolute idiot to believe that on
2:50:08 Speaker 02 400 quintillion planets that exist, this is the only one that has life? Come on.
2:50:19 Speaker 02 And you would limit God to that? Come on.
2:50:23 Jesse Michels? Yeah, fair enough.
2:50:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:50:24 Jesse Michels? Yeah, no, I, I agree. All of God's creations, you know?
2:50:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:50:28 Jesse Michels? Yeah. I don't think it's so disruptive, you know? People are talking about
2:50:32 Speaker 02 I don't either.
2:50:33 Jesse Michels? pastors getting sort of, you know, spoken to by these intel people who are worried that it's going to cause a lot of disruption. It's like, who cares? Just be a normal, rational person about it. And, you know, if you're religious, great. If you're not, that's fine, you know?
2:50:47 Speaker 02 Well, being spoken to about it, I think, is an interpretation. Like people say, the men in black, they threaten you at the end. They don't.
2:51:01 Speaker 02 Oh, they tell you, you know, you shouldn't talk about this to anybody. And after you've sat there, oh, one of the things when you're being interviewed by the men in black is you're going to start trying to make jokes. They are not going to respond. No humor, period. And so all of a sudden you're getting defensive. You're getting, oh, you know, and, and all that. And so when they say you shouldn't talk this, you take it as a threat.
2:51:35 Speaker 02 They're just telling you, you shouldn't talk about this to anybody. That's all they're saying.
2:51:39 Jesse Michels? Yeah, yeah. Would you say you're generally clairvoyant and, and sort of you have like a psychic propensity beyond just the remote viewing training? I mean, it sounds like it given your childhood. Yeah.
2:51:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, I always have had. Yeah.
2:51:54 Jesse Michels? Do you pick up anything about me?
2:51:56 Speaker 02 Not really. I, um, one of the things that you learn to do in, in the controlled remote viewing is turn it off. We have a thing called the ambiance exercise. The ambiance exercise makes you sensitive to the world around you.
2:52:16 Speaker 02 The, um, ninjas have a thing called Sakinojitsu, where you're aware of everything in 360 degrees around you. We developed that with the ambiance exercise. And it gets to where you can't go to a restaurant, you can't go to a church, you can't be around people. You just, I mean, it's, it's just bombard you.
2:52:39 Jesse Michels? Hypersensitive.
2:52:40 Speaker 02 Yeah. And so you learn, uh, with step 16, you learn to turn it off. And there are 20 steps in all, in the, in the training of it. And, um, you learn to turn it off. And somebody will, um, will be in conversation with somebody and they'll forget a word or something like that, you know, and
2:53:05 Speaker 02 I go dip and supply the word to them or something like that. And, uh, or they'll forget a fact and I can dip in real quick and get, and remind them of, and they say, oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. But, uh, you can help people that way. And, uh, somebody needs cheering up. You can get to their subconscious and cheer them up. But other than that, uh,
2:53:36 Speaker 02 I I find it very distasteful to get into other people's mind.
2:53:42 Jesse Michels? Yeah.
2:53:43 Speaker 02 I just, I don't do it.
2:53:45 Jesse Michels? Do you have any advice for me or for audience members who want to get deeper on the UFO stuff? They want to understand more kind of discreet truths, what's actually going on? Cause you hear all these differing things that are often mutually exclusive.
2:54:01 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
2:54:02 Jesse Michels? From all the whole cast of, you know, motley crew of characters. Is there a source that you really trust when it comes to UFO stuff?
2:54:12 Speaker 02 Oh, a few.
2:54:17 Speaker 02 But they're individuals.
2:54:19 Jesse Michels? Who are they?
2:54:21 Speaker 02 I'm not gonna say that.
2:54:23 Jesse Michels? No, they're not public. They're not public, they're private.
2:54:26 Speaker 02 Oh, absolutely. Like, my friend that was in charge of the technology transfer, you know, I'll never give his name.
2:54:37 Jesse Michels? That's amazing.
2:54:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:54:38 Jesse Michels? He was in charge of technology transfer from the ETs.
2:54:41 Speaker 02 From one of the ETs.
2:54:44 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:54:44 Speaker 02 From one of the groups of ETs.
2:54:46 Jesse Michels? Would you ever know it with him? Was he just like kind of a humble, like, under the radar?
2:54:50 Speaker 02 I'd go visit him and he'd say, Len, you got to come see my new toys.
2:54:54 Jesse Michels? Why do you think he was so open with you about all this stuff? Presumably he kept it secret.
2:55:00 Speaker 02 Oh, he basically knew who I was and my background and all that, so.
2:55:05 Jesse Michels? He knew your high level clearances and your history.
2:55:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:55:10 Jesse Michels? Fascinating. Well, I want to know more.
2:55:15 Jesse Michels? I really.
2:55:15 Speaker 02 Everybody does.
2:55:16 Jesse Michels? Yeah. Do you think that the public has a right to know more? Do you think it's at all destabilizing or there's like a reason to slow it down?
2:55:24 Speaker 02 They say, they say when in doubt, classify. And so too much gets classified.
2:55:30 Jesse Michels? I agree.
2:55:31 Speaker 02 And.
2:55:32 Jesse Michels? Like, why can't we know about the ET tech transfer program? That sounds awesome.
2:55:36 Speaker 02 Yeah. And, you know, all you hear is wild rumors about it. Like, who invented Velcro? You know? And, oh, the thing is that.
2:55:52 Speaker 02 For a lot of things, you don't want the public involved. They just mess everything up. Uh, other things is, uh, you don't want sometimes religion involved or politics involved or whatever. And for another thing, many times it wouldn't do any good for whether people know it or not. Um, and you know, some of the secret stuff that's kept secret is wonderful. Everybody should know about it. There are other stuffs that I hope then, I hope nobody ever finds out about.
2:56:34 Jesse Michels? Absolutely.
2:56:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:56:35 Jesse Michels? Yeah. To anybody who thinks that nothing should be classified. I mean, that's, that's ridiculous. Like atomic trade secrets should obviously be classified. Uh, you know, honestly, if, you know, to the extent that like at the higher levels of remote viewing ability, you can do damage to other people, I would hope that never comes out. I mean, that's a really scary prospect.
2:56:56 Speaker 02 And, you know, like they said in World War II, loose lips sink ships.
2:57:02 Jesse Michels? There you go.
2:57:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:57:03 Jesse Michels? Yeah. Well, Lynn, I really appreciate this, man. This is a lot of fun. It was very, uh, kind of comprehensive.
2:57:11 Speaker 02 I think we kind of went all over the place here, but
2:57:14 Jesse Michels? We did.
2:57:14 Speaker 02 I enjoyed talking to you.
2:57:16 Jesse Michels? Yeah. And I have ADD, so, and I love talking to you too. So, uh, no, this was an absolute blast. You're full of knowledge and insights.
2:57:24 Speaker 02 Well, I'd like to plug my book, which is, uh, The Seventh Sense. Uh, by me.
2:57:32 Jesse Michels? Get it on Amazon.
2:57:33 Speaker 02 Uh, on Amazon and, um, the, um, sixth sense is your ambiance. What you feel in the room around you. That's a real sense.
2:57:45 Jesse Michels? How you feeling?
2:57:46 Speaker 02 The seventh sense is when I can feel what's going on in the Kremlin.
2:57:52 Jesse Michels? Wow.
2:57:53 Speaker 02 And that's your seventh sense. Um, but also, um, on Tik Tok, YouTube and Instagram. Oh, I have a growing series of short little three minute things that explain all the, all the aspects of controlled remote viewing, remote viewing and all that.
2:58:17 Jesse Michels? That's awesome. Is it, is it just at Lynn Buchanan or what? Do you know what the handle is?
2:58:21 Speaker 02 It's, um, inside remote viewing, all one word.
2:58:26 Jesse Michels? Check out.
2:58:27 Speaker 02 Inside remote viewing.
2:58:28 Jesse Michels? Check out inside remote viewing, Tik Tok, Instagram.
2:58:32 Speaker 02 Right.
2:58:33 Jesse Michels? X, maybe Twitter.
2:58:35 Speaker 02 No, just those three.
2:58:36 Jesse Michels? Okay. Check out Tik Tok, Instagram, YouTube, at inside.
2:58:41 Speaker 02 Inside remote viewing.
2:58:42 Jesse Michels? Inside remote viewing. Check it out.
2:58:44 Speaker 02 Also, I have a course that I teach online.
2:58:48 Speaker 02 And it's the full course of the remote viewing, controlled remote viewing, created by Angus one and used by the military for all those years for intelligence collection. Now being used for businesses, um, for police work, for institutions, for research and development.
2:59:09 Jesse Michels? What's that website?
2:59:11 Speaker 02 Uh, it's, um, C R V I E W E R C R viewer.com.
2:59:20 Jesse Michels? C R viewer.com. Check it out. And you told me off air that some of your students are getting amazing results akin to or better than some of your past.
2:59:29 Speaker 02 Some of them are doing better than we ever did in the military.
2:59:32 Jesse Michels? That's amazing.
2:59:33 Speaker 02 Amazing. And, um, the, um, uh, the course is on a, uh, course platform, educational platform called Kajabi. Uh, you get permanent access to it when you sign up. I don't believe in any of this stuff of, you know, every six months you pay for a ref. I don't believe in that.
2:59:57 Speaker 02 You get permanent access and we have webinars where we go over people's work. We talk about things that aren't in the course and things like that.
3:00:08 Jesse Michels? If levels six through, I forgot what it was, 11 are, you know, kind of classified, but you were given access to that. How are people in the civilian world able to?
3:00:19 Speaker 02 No, I give, um, I give access to stages one through seven.
3:00:25 Jesse Michels? So how do they get better results with that than the higher?
3:00:29 Speaker 02 Uh, they're, they're getting more accurate than we were. It's amazing.
3:00:35 Jesse Michels? But you were saying that, you know, some of the more, you know, kind of spooky stuff goes on at level seven through higher.
3:00:44 Speaker 02 Level eight through 18.
3:00:48 Speaker 02 And that's not taught to the public.
3:00:50 Jesse Michels? Okay. But on pure accuracy, all you need is one through seven and you can get more accurate than people who know one through 18.
3:01:01 Speaker 02 But not the same kind of information.
3:01:03 Jesse Michels? Got it. Interesting. Okay. Cool.
3:01:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:01:06 Jesse Michels? Just want to clarify there.
3:01:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:01:08 Jesse Michels? Leave no stone unturned. Okay. Thanks, Lynn. Well, I appreciate this. This was awesome. I really appreciate all you mean. You have an amazing history.
3:01:16 Speaker 02 Hey, it's an honor being invited. Thank you very much.
3:01:20 Jesse Michels? Oh, it's an honor to have you. I'm just a, you know, measly interviewer.
3:01:25 Speaker 02 I'm glad to finally meet you too.
3:01:27 Jesse Michels? Likewise, man. No, this is a full circle moment. I, you were really gonna be, and I'm glad because I didn't know much at the time, but you were gonna be the first American alchemist. And now you're, I know so much more and so that we can have a better conversation, but this is a full circle moment. It's very cool.
3:01:45 Speaker 02 Thank you very much.
3:01:45 Jesse Michels? Thank you.
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