455 Cesar Millan: Train Confidence & Become the Leader of the Pack

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 455 with number one New York Times bestselling author, Cesar Millan.

• 0:09Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week, we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:35Lewis Howes?

  I am so excited about this one. I've loved The Dog Whisperer for many years. And Cesar Millan is a hero to me for all that he's doing for not only pets, but also parents of pets. And for those that don't know who Cesar Millan is, he is the number one New York Times bestselling author, public speaker, and the internationally acclaimed star of Cesar 911, as well as the original, unanonymated host of The Dog Whisperer. He brings more than 25 years of dog experience, and his status as the most recognized and sought-after authority in the field of dog care and rehabilitation directly to communities terrorized by unruly

• 1:17Lewis Howes?

  hounds. His newest show is called Cesar Millan's Dog Nation, and it's on Nat Geo Wild. He's also got a new book out called Lessons From The Pack: Stories Of The Dogs Who Changed My Life. Now, why do I get excited about Cesar Millan? Why am I so pumped for this? And why I've been trying to get Cesar on for the last couple of years, actually. For one, I believe leadership is everything. And leadership within ourselves is the most important thing. And if we cannot lead our personal lives, how are we going to be able to lead our partners, our family, our friends, and our pets, our dogs, right? And how many of us have dogs that seem to chew on everything, seem to go to the bathroom everywhere, never

• 2:01Lewis Howes?

  are obedient, are always kind of crazy all over the place, barking all the time, and doing things that we don't want them to do? How many pet owners are there out there that has that challenge? I love watching Cesar. Because it's more about the way of being. It's the energy, it's how you show up. It's not necessarily the things you say or certain actions that you take. It's how you're being, it's who you're being in all areas of your life. That determine whether something is going to have a great result or an average or poor result. It's your way of being. And in this interview, we talk about how to train confidence in human beings. Also, why humans need training more than dogs.

• 2:43Lewis Howes?

  How to have a loving relationships in all areas of your life. We actually talk a lot about relationships because it is a relationship world. Also, how dogs helped Caesar heal from his divorce, which I thought was powerful to learn about. And how to understand the psychology of a woman and how to be a great partner as a man. Ladies and gentlemen, I think you guys are going to enjoy this one. I'm super pumped about this and before we dive in, I want to give a quick shout out. We had, I think 30 reviews over on iTunes this last week. So I want to give a shout out to the review of the week from Ryan Evers. He said, while finishing my final year of college, I never thought I'd be double majoring.

• 3:26Lewis Howes?

  One from my university in business, but the other in greatness that I have been learning from Lewis Howes's podcasts from the past handful of years. Having now listened to every one of his episodes, I can honestly say that I've learned so much valuable insights and wisdom from the diverse of individuals he has interviewed over the years. I started questioning why I spent so much money on my education because at times I feel like I'm learning more from his podcast than any lectures I've ever attended. If you have not subscribed to his podcast yet, what are you waiting for exclamation points? You won't regret it. P S. He also asked his followers on social media, what questions he should ask certain people he has on the podcast.

• 4:09Lewis Howes?

  And he actually looks at them because he recently used mine. Give him a follow on social media as well. So Ryan Evers, thank you so much. I appreciate the review. I appreciate you listening to every single episode. That's 455 episodes.

• 4:23Lewis Howes?

  So is now you are a true fan of the school of greatness and it means the world to me if you guys have not left a review and you want a chance to be the review of the week where I announce you on the podcast then make sure to go to iTunes.com slash greatness right now and leave your review for the school of greatness. Okay, guys, it's time to train confidence and become the leader of the pack. And without further ado, let me introduce to you the man of the hour, the one, the only Caesar Milan.

• 4:57Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone to the school of greatness podcast. I'm very excited about our guest Caesar Milan is in the house. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you so much. And you have been an incredible inspiration to so many people for many years. Your TV shows, all the work you do to rehabilitate dogs and humans. And I told you before the show that I've seen you a few times around town. It's always been fun to to watch your journey and your story is just so incredible. You know what you did to cross the border early in life to come here and

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Sacrifice.

• 5:32Lewis Howes?

  Sacrifice, right? And how did that process even start? Like, how did you have the vision to come here? And what was the dream always was it to?

• 5:38Speaker 01

  I think the beauty of immigrants is the dream that we live in in this in the thirst and the hunger we grew up with, you know, and all the all the possibilities that can be created because you're in the bottom of the pack, you know, so the fact that we're in the bottom of the pack, it allows us to dream to be in the middle of the pack or the front of the pack, you know, so I think it's a blessing for for us to to master having no money and having all the possibilities that you can think of because you become a dreamer. You know, you become a dreamer is when you have everything the dreams, you know, you start dreaming and that that the whole essence of life goes away or you don't get to taste, you don't get to be there for others, you know, so it's you go back into a very instinctual self, water, food, shelter,

• 6:21Speaker 01

  you know, and helping the family. That is the basics of life, if you think about it. So we get to by having this low income exposure, we get to maintain our instincts and our love for the family.

• 6:37Lewis Howes?

  And what was the dream for you then?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  But the dream for me has always been to make sure that I support my parents at one point. You know, that's definitely the focus. I never thought about me first. It was always about the pack first. And so I needed to find out something that I really love. And I wanted to do something that I truly love. I didn't want to work in a place that I hate. You know, and then I value energy so much that I want to be very effective, not just by being a good worker, but also providing the right energy for the rest of the team.

• 7:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Did you always see yourself as a natural leader or is that a skill that you've developed?

• 7:15Speaker 01

  I think my mom would say yes. You know, I think my mom would say I was always breaking the rules, the boundaries, the limitations, you know? And she always say, you know, you have to master the rules before you break the rules. And so you have to be a great follower before you become a leader. So you hear those things when you're little and you say, okay. But you don't understand why you're breaking it, you know? And so then you realize that you're breaking it because you were born to lead. And there's nothing you can do about it. It's just you're born to lead. That's the beauty of America. America immediately hone into that and that kid has that skill. But we don't have that in our country. We don't have places where they can redirect that energy. So often what happens is they suppress that ability, you know?

• 7:57Lewis Howes?

  Really? The talents, the gifts that you have?

• 7:59Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 7:59Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because you have to follow. You have to follow, you have to follow, follow, follow. And so then it's no, you know, they're constantly telling you what you're doing wrong versus what you're doing right.

• 8:08Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:09Lewis Howes?

  So that was your entire life until you came here or?

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that is, I mean, I had a really, my, my, the way I grew up was awesome. You know, I was, I was born with a, with a very wealthy family in a way where grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, aunts, and everybody raised me. So I'm, I'm one of those, uh, uh, back in the days ways where it take a village to raise a child. I grew up that way.

• 8:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So that for me is a lot of wealth because now I see it. They're, most of the kids in America are raised by their nanny, right? So there is, it's a wonderful person, but it's not blood, right? It's not, it's not the same religious belief, political beliefs or economical beliefs or moral beliefs. All right? So they take care of the kid, but they don't enrich, you know, their, their soul. Uh, so I grew up that way and, and so. Because I was, I, I, I became the third generation where we went from the farm to the city. You know, it was my grandfather who died a hundred and five, my dad is eighty-three, super, super young. And now I'm the forty-seven-year-old, uh, third generation, you know, uh, that follows this way of being.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  So because they exposed me to, to the city lifestyle, it gave me that opportunity of like, oh, so it's more than just dirt. Right, right. So here you guys have television, you have fans. You know what I mean? You have showers and you have toilets. And so you have all this, uh, evolution, you know, thing that they, they, they. So that, that's when I started going, um, I started working, actually. I became, uh, one of those kids that packet, package, uh, the groceries when you go to a store. For example, here Ralph's. So, uh, so I start, I start working. Hmm, in Mexico. Six years of age, yeah. Yeah, that's legal over there for a kid to work. Six. Yeah, yeah, that's legal. Yeah, you have to help. There is no, uh, government help. Wow. You know what I mean? There is no like vouchers that you get.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Right, right. So everybody have to pay a chance. So that leadership of, of, uh, providing something in return, that's what I channel it. You know, to be, to be at service to the family, to make sure that I help my, my mom. And who was the most influential person for you growing up? I think, I think it varies because, uh, my mom was the, the big support system. You know, the person who believed in me. So the spiritual aspect was my mom. And then the love of animals was my father and the respect to nature was my grandfather. So I had the instinctual world, the emotional world and the spiritual world. What I was, I didn't have available was the intellectual world. That's something that you gain in school by books, right? But I have the three most important. You have the heart.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  I have the soul and the heart and the instincts, the survival, right? So you have to believe in yourself, you have to love yourself and you have to have instincts, right? So if you have those three, you can, you can survive in the streets. But at the end of the day, I I started a business in the streets.

• 10:58Lewis Howes?

  Literally, right?

• 10:59Speaker 01

  L A, yeah.

• 11:00Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, literally.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  From Inglewood to South Central.

• 11:02Lewis Howes?

  Amazing, man.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:04Lewis Howes?

  Um, what was the spiritual lesson that she taught you, your mom? The most that was like the most resonating with you?

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Well, you know, as a good Mexican mom is uh, believe in God is a must. It's not even like, you know, like, let's do research about it. You don't question that. And so it's very important because you do have to believe in in humanity. You have to believe in God, you have to believe in yourself. And so that's the spirituality behind that you are good enough. You know, you don't require more things. You don't have, you don't need to have a certain clothes to to feel confident about things. You can't just believe. And that energy is something that is very contagious. You know, which is a lot of, a lot of immigrants have that energy, you know, like they believe they can, they can, you know, better your life or they can help you and you can feel it.

• 11:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. How did you develop this belief in a new country? Cause you didn't speak the language that well, right? When you first came here?

• 11:58Speaker 01

  I didn't speak English at all. You know, I I jumped the border, I had a hundred dollars and a hundred dollars I gave it to the coyote guy. And and um, so I I come to a country, they have no idea. Anything, the only thing I knew is what I wanted to do and and and the.

• 12:12Lewis Howes?

  And what was that?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  I wanted to be the best dog trainer in the world.

• 12:14Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted.

• 12:15Lewis Howes?

  Were you a trainer before then?

• 12:17Speaker 01

  I was a groomer. I was a groomer. I was a vet tech without a license, you know?

• 12:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Here you have to have a license. Vet tech, over there, you're just a guy who helps dogs, you know, the kid who helps the vet, the vet. Here you have to have a license to be a vet tech. You can't just do it because you want to volunteer. And over there, over there, you can do it. And so I I had a lot of knowledge about how to deal with dogs who are beat, who the vet is gonna touch certain parts. And you know that those dogs are never being touched there. So I was able to convince them to stay relaxed.

• 12:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:49Lewis Howes?

  How did you convince them to stay relaxed?

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Well, I grew up with cows, I grew up with chickens, I grew up with donkeys, I grew up with goats. I convinced bigger species, so to me, a dog was a piece of cake.

• 12:58Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you gotta convince a cow and the cow has to relax.

• 13:01Lewis Howes?

  To relax.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  You have to convince a chicken to relax. But you start, you start, well, we're not in a rush, number one, in a farm, you know what I mean?

• 13:08Lewis Howes?

  All right, you got all day. When they're tired.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you develop this, you know, very much, take your time, start at a distance, move in when the cow tells you to move in, and slowly massage and go through, then let them know, you know, visualize what you want, and the cows start trusting you. So what we develop is trust. In a vet's office, they don't have time to develop trust. They have time to.

• 13:29Lewis Howes?

  They have appointments.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 13:30Lewis Howes?

  Gotta get in, gotta out.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  You know what I mean, which is totally a foreign world for animals, you know, they don't know you're, you have a schedule.

• 13:36Lewis Howes?

  Hold him down.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  Hold him down, we have fifteen minutes. And they're like, hold down, I don't even know you. You wanna touch me there? You know, so, so it's a very rushed environment. The city creates a very rushed environment, which is very detrimental for animals, because animals love to, you know, stop and smell their roses.

• 13:52Lewis Howes?

  So how do you create trust with an animal in a moment if you only have a little bit of time, but you're not on the farm?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Well, it depends how bad the animal feels, you know, because when a dog is, everything is by intensity, zero, five, ten. So if a dog is at a level ten of fear, you'd need a little bit more than fifteen minutes, you know what I mean? And the owners have to understand how, how big of a role they play before they bring a dog to the vet. And a lot of times, people don't bring the dog to the vet just to visit the vet, they just bring it because it's a, is, is a, an emergency situ-

• 14:20Lewis Howes?

  Situation.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  So you have to make sure that you bring the dog to the vet, so the dog associates the vet with a happy place, or, or place where he wants.

• 14:27Lewis Howes?

  Before it's needed to be there.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 14:29Lewis Howes?

  Come in, have it, give it a treat, hang out.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Especially if the dog is afraid of the place, you know, so the dog is going to anticipate, you know, I'm afraid nobody really pays attention to that, and they still touch me, you know, yeah, so if, if, if the owner actually understands that by bringing the dog and make this positive association, the dog will learn to relax. And nobody takes the time, you know, nobody takes the time, unless it's for themselves.

• 14:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Wow.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:53Lewis Howes?

  Okay, so your dream was to be the best trainer in the world.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Dog trainer in the world.

• 14:59Lewis Howes?

  And when you moved to San Diego originally, correct, or?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Well, that was the first step. I never heard San Diego before. What I wanted to go was about Disneyland or Hollywood, because that's where Rin Tin Tin and Lassie were from.

• 15:11Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  So I grew up watching a show, like, you know, and when I moved to the city and TV was available, I started watching Lassie and Rin Tin Tin. And that's when I was fascinated about the dogs on TV. And, and I said, well, when I grew up, I'm gonna go to America and learn from the best, you know, because every movie we watch for American people, they're heroes.

• 15:28Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Right? And then the dogs are, is, is they're doing this amazing thing. I didn't know they were trained.

• 15:34Lewis Howes?

  You just thought they were like gifted animals?

• 15:36Speaker 01

  Lassie, go get the fireman. Lassie understood fireman versus police officer.

• 15:40Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? They just specifically go get you the fireman. So that, that's, that's the naivety side of me, which it actually helped me a lot because through that naivety, I actually believed it and I came here and I realized that it wasn't real. It was, it was a TV show, you know, but thanks to that, I, I saw.

• 15:59Lewis Howes?

  You got you here.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Thanks. Yeah, it got me here and I, and started, and I started seeing how people relate to dogs.

• 16:04Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Right? Why, why people are being pulled by dogs in the street? Why people, when you knock on the door, uh, the dogs start barking and, and the person, "Hold on, let me put the dog in the bathroom." All this cha- chaos and we don't have chaos. Dogs in Mexico are skinny, but they don't have psychological problems.

• 16:21Lewis Howes?

  It's true. Whenever I'm in Mexico.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:23Lewis Howes?

  They're just like trotting around.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  They're street. Dogs in America are chunky and I get to have a TV show. So dogs, right? So dogs who are actually look, you know, from the outside, uh, extremely well fed and have beds. And, you know, a lot of, a lot of dogs inherit money. They have birthday parties and things like that. They're not bad. Those are my clients.

• 16:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  The dogs that have all this wealth are my clients. And the skinny dogs in Mexico, they don't eat me. They just need food. That's it. Otherwise, they, they know how to do, they know how to survive. Yeah, because they, they are using their own natural talent to survive. And that's greatness to me.

• 16:57Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm. Hmm. Okay. And so what did you start doing when you were here? You started finding people to work with or started finding dogs to work with?

• 17:05Speaker 01

  What did you start doing as an immigrant? As you start sweeping floors, you start watching cars, you start watching dishes, you know, those are your two gold places. Yeah.

• 17:14Lewis Howes?

  And how long was that for?

• 17:16Speaker 01

  About a month, two months. Yeah. You know, and that's when I found out about the ninety nine cents hot dogs. Seven eleven and I M P M. Two hot dogs for ninety nine cents. That's a deal, dude. That's a deal, because you just have to make one dollar a day.

• 17:29Lewis Howes?

  That's it.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  And it's easy for me, because, you know, I'm a hustler, so I'm gonna make a dollar. No problem. I'm gonna eat. In America, I'm going to eat.

• 17:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  And then you invest that dollar in sixty nine cents or something like that, and you get the big gulp. Would you do refill? I never heard.

• 17:45Lewis Howes?

  Free refills, right?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Freaking refill in my life. So you just buy it once, and then you go back as many times you want. It was mind blowing. I invested once and I get sort of my, the rest of my life. No wonder all the people in the street had a little.

• 18:01Lewis Howes?

  Big gulps.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, big gulps everywhere.

• 18:02Lewis Howes?

  That's funny. And what about the first kind of opportunity with dogs, where you finally got to either make a little money, or you got to see a little opportunity?

• 18:09Speaker 01

  I made a lot of money. I made a lot of money, because remember, I was making a dollar to five dollars a day. And so I stopped in this place, a grooming salon, and I learned my first sentence in English. Do you have application for work?

• 18:20Lewis Howes?

  This here in L A?

• 18:21Speaker 01

  No, no. We're still in San Diego.

• 18:23Lewis Howes?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  So that was my first opportunity. So I, you know, I'm walking around, because you never get to work in the same place you work the day before, because you're illegal. Right? So, yeah, they don't want to get in trouble. And it's always an empty, an empty space, you know, the people didn't show up or things like that. So the bottom of the pack work, jobs, they're always available. Because they pay so little. So people just quit. And so for us, it's a perfect opportunity. So and then I started, you know, I started moving along in San Diego, in Chula Vista, actually. I, and, and I, I stopped by this grooming salon, and I said, I'm gonna practice, do you have application for work? I know, I know dogs. So I went in there, two Caucasian ladies were in the front, and I said, do you have application for work?

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Older ladies, and, and they start speaking to me in English, and you see me like, I have no idea what.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  You just learned that sentence, ma'am? But they brought me in the back. They had a cocker spaniel. And and and when they moved to the dog to the cocker spaniel, the cocker spaniel launch on them. Right? And I said, huh, I see why the dog is launching on them. They're moving too fast. And and so I so I went in there and, you know, very Charlie Chaplin, and it's all very hand signals and energy. Wait, wait. Un momento. That's right, Corona. Everybody understand that word. So I went in and grabbed the dog and I started grooming the dog and the ladies were in shock that, you know, this strange guy, new guy, you know, Had the touch. guy from the street was able to convince this dog. So so that day, I make sixty dollars.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  Because in grooming, they pay fifty percent of profit. Wow. You know, which I and I remember that I gave him fifty dollars back and I said, I can't take this too much money. Right? Because I thought that I was only going to get that job for that day. And I felt that I was getting overpaid. Right? Sixty dollars. I just spent like an hour and a half or something. And and so I said, no, no, no, you have to keep it. This is what you earn. Right? And so in my head is why do I want so many hot dogs?

• 20:22Speaker 01

  I just want my two hot dogs a day. Yeah. And so the ladies asked me to come back the next day, and that's where I I stayed there permanently for a while. And they let me take a shower. That's when I took my first shower in the United States on a bathtub. Yeah, I was sleeping under a freeway, so I was homeless. They find out that I was homeless and they let me sleep inside their their pet shop. So I gained their trust. The point is, I gained their trust and they don't know who I was. Right? So it's something they felt about me. They they felt they can trust me with their keys. And so from there, I made a thousand dollars. By working every single day. A thousand was a day? No, not a day, throughout the throughout like three weeks. Gotcha. Wow. Yeah, throughout three weeks. It's pretty good.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  I was, my dad wasn't, didn't make a thousand dollars in a year. Wow. Yeah, I'm making a thousand. That's like, that's a lot of money. So do you remember Miller Olpus? Or you're too young? You're too young. So it's like T J Maxx and Marshall's, right? So it's the equivalent of that. And Miller Olpus was the place where you can buy Levi's. And I always wanted an original Levi's. Right? So that's that was the first thing I got. Uh, because I always had the hand me downs from my cousins and all that stuff. And and so I got my first Levi's and my first shirt. And that that's what I did with my thousand dollars and then I saved the money. Cause I knew that I needed to go through San Clemente. You know, uh, cause it's another immigration point and you can only pass it through through a bus.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  But you can, you can't, so this one you get to, it's very important to know people in the street because they are the lookouts.

• 21:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Right. So then they tell you when their immigration is not stopping buses. So that's the day that I took the Greyhound and moved to LA. I, I arrived at the uh, uh, this place where all the uh, uh, people were uh, high.

• 22:09Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, downtown LA, that, yeah, it's a, what do they call it? What is they call it? Uh, the place where all these people are, Skid Road.

• 22:17Lewis Howes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  That's when I find out Skid Road place and, and you know, I, I don't know what they were. I never seen addicts on the streets. I never, never in my life I seen, I seen addicts. And I, I see people selling things in Mexico, right? You see people, but you've never seen like an addict. And, and these people were camping. You know, camping, it smells bad and so I'm walking in the middle and said, oh, I guess this is LA. And so I move out of there, I, the next day I got the yellow pages and I call a, a shelter. Cause I wanted to start, you know, I wanted to start working.

• 22:51Lewis Howes?

  Dog shelter.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Dog shelter, yeah, dog shelter, I wanted to start working and I got a job as a kennel boy. Or kennel person.

• 22:57Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  I was twenty one at that time, so.

• 22:59Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Still.

• 23:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow, okay, and so you're working with dogs there?

• 23:03Speaker 01

  No, I was, I was cleaning kennels.

• 23:05Lewis Howes?

  Oh, you were working with the dogs, oh wow.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Cause I'm an immigrant, you know, and so, so I'm an immigrant, I don't speak English.

• 23:12Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  And uh, so there is no evaluation of me as a person, it was, it's more an evaluation of me as a perception.

• 23:19Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  So he can only clean kennels. But then I started working with dogs and I started gaining a reputation, you know, cause the dogs behave different from me. Just like they did on the grooming salon.

• 23:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  And that's where I started creating my own clientele.

• 23:33Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's why I moved to Inglewood. So one of my, one of the, one of the guys there say, you know what, you're, you're good. You're good with dogs. Come and do it uh in my house and you can start working with the people around Inglewood. Uh huh, that's what happened.

• 23:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow, and so you started working with the people at this one house or and then it started to evolve from there or?

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he gave me a, a place to live.

• 23:55Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 23:55Speaker 01

  He gave me a place to live and, and uh his name was Ross, a Mexican Jewish guy. Yeah, weird, right? But uh that's the first Mexican Jewish guy I ever met in my life. His name was Ross and a cool guy. He had a dog named Psych, a Rottweiler. So I became his dog, you know, um.

• 24:10Lewis Howes?

  Trainer and keeper.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Keeper and all of that stuff. And he gave me a, an apartment in the back of his house, so.

• 24:16Lewis Howes?

  Just to.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I just had to pay three hundred dollars a month, you know? But that's the first time I started actually paying for, for an apartment. So it was, it was, it was all uh unusual for me and shot, but I managed to make it happen.

• 24:30Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm. And when did you realize that like this could be something like a big business for you? Or this could be something that could be your life's work that is paying more than, you know, fifty bucks a day or whatever it was at the time, but really making a movement around it the way you have?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, the movement came later. Uh the, the awareness of um I can uh provide a different service than what the people in America are used to. Cause everybody in America goes for a vet, uh a groomer, a dog trainer, right? And uh especially in L A, dog walkers were not so popular. Like dog walkers are popular in New York or dog walkers are popular in Buenos Aires, Argentina, right? So over there, people, dog walkers are popular, but in L A they were not as popular. So I started doing dog walking services, ten dollars per dog, super cheap.

• 25:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Right? And so I, I will do thirty dogs, forty dogs, so yeah, so I make good money.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  I charge low, but I, but, but in quantity, you had a time.

• 25:30Lewis Howes?

  Thirty dogs at one time, walking.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Which that exactly.

• 25:32Lewis Howes?

  Thirty leashes.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Not all of them, many of them were off leash.

• 25:35Lewis Howes?

  Oh, really?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that was the that's when they started saying that I was crazy. Because he is this Mexican guy who can walk a pack of Rottweilers.

• 25:43Lewis Howes?

  Off leash.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Off leash.

• 25:44Lewis Howes?

  Who usually need a leash.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  But dogs don't need a leash.

• 25:47Lewis Howes?

  Right, well, with their owners, they need a leash.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah, but in reality, dogs don't need a leash. So that actually became the reputation that I built. You know, but it was it was between this crazy guy and this, I don't know what he's doing. Kind of thing, you know, but the good thing is I was in the hood and you can break a lot of rules.

• 26:04Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, yeah, yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  If I do it in memory.

• 26:07Lewis Howes?

  Run around, come right, yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Would it be like terrorists, right? So here, so in the hood, it was let's this Mexican guy walking with a pack of dogs and he's crazy. You know, but but then I started working with the dogs in the, you know, from back then, the the great Western Forum was was in Inglewood. So then all the the Lakers would send the assistants to find out about this.

• 26:26Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 26:27Speaker 01

  About this guy that people talk about, so you know, you develop a reputation.

• 26:30Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  You develop this legend thing here in the streets, you know, that's.

• 26:35Lewis Howes?

  Mythical Mexican, right?

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

• 26:37Lewis Howes?

  That's a good nickname for you. Mythical Mexican.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah. So that's that's how I started, you know, and so I was I used to work from Inglewood to South Central, then, you know, Andre, my first son, came into into my life and then I was I need to be a dad, so so I would bring him and, you know, with me and the people will see the this guy with a kid and dogs and then Calvin came around. And then by that time, Andre was already using the bike. And then I was pushing the stroller, that's when I started using rollerblades.

• 27:05Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  So I would push the stroller, right, and so I have my two boys, one is in a bike, the other one is in a stroller, with a pack of Rottweilers and pit bulls and German Shepherd, that was their life, by the way. That was my boy's life, they grew up with a pack of sixty five.

• 27:19Lewis Howes?

  Holy cow.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  I grew up with eight, they grew up with sixty five.

• 27:22Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Because the dad was rescuing dogs and rehabilitating dogs, so that became my job. You know, that's when I say, okay, I'm gonna train people and rehabilitate dogs. I'm not gonna train dogs. So that that was an opportunity. That was an empty space that nobody was actually aiming for. Everybody wanted to train dogs. And I said, why would you train a dog when the humans are the one that causing the problem?

• 27:43Lewis Howes?

  Right, cuz you train the dog, but then the human is gonna keep causing the problem, right?

• 27:47Speaker 01

  That's right, because the human hasn't changed. So when you, when you, when you, um, when you choose to train dogs, the dog normally goes to a school, right?

• 27:55Lewis Howes?

  Someone else training.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  So it's, it's living with somebody else and the dog gets used to do that handler. But doesn't mean the dog transfer that experience into your house, right? Cuz the dogs don't rationalize. So if you send a kid to school, yeah, the good is gonna, the kid is gonna come up with the knowledge and he can teach her as a parent, right? But a dog is not gonna come and say, hold on, you're holding the leash wrong.

• 28:15Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  You're not saying the command right. You know what I mean? You're, you're losing your patience. The dog is not gonna give you that feedback. So a lot of times people were just pretty much, um, um, not wasting, but in a way not really gaining the investment that they were making.

• 28:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Because they were not growing themselves. So I said, let, let me save you some money, let me teach you, and then we work, work with the dog. So the approach was a lot more, more, much different.

• 28:40Lewis Howes?

  And what's the mindset that either you go into, maybe it's just so second nature for you now, you don't even have to like go into it with a mindset. But what should be the mindset of an individual going into, let's just do a simple task of walking their dog? Should they think a certain way or act a certain way where?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Actually, the best, the less you think, the more effective you are. Cuz you're, you're not, uh, thinking can also make you question yourself. Or you can waste one second in the animal world, one second is a lot. So it's actually about being, being versus thinking. So how should I be? You should, you should calm your emotions and only think what you want to accomplish, right? So that's why I say calm and assertive. So it's calm and confident. So when you're thinking, you're hesitating. You know, you're, you're thinking too much, too long, and the animal says you don't know what to do.

• 29:32Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, doesn't trust you.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  No, because it's not that he doesn't trust you, it's just they, they don't really know what the hell you're doing. You know what I mean? You're thinking, but they don't know you're thinking. What they know is you're not, you're not coming out with the conclusion or with the direction.

• 29:46Lewis Howes?

  No certainty.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  No certainty, you know, and no leadership. And leadership is protection and direction. And that direction have to be given at the moment is needed. It's not until you're ready, that's when it's needed. That's a big job to be a leader, you know, it's, it's, it's for the survival of your family. And this family is a dog and he functions based out of instincts, no thinking. They, they don't, they don't debate things. They just fix things in the moment.

• 30:12Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's all about your way of being, your energy.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's that simple, by the way. It's that simple. We are the only species that follow unstable pack leaders. Animals, it's impossible for them to follow instability. Impossible. They don't follow instability because instability leads them nowhere.

• 30:31Lewis Howes?

  So they'll do their own thing or they'll?

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Or they take over their relationship.

• 30:35Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  So in, in my case, you know, uh, in my case, you can clearly see how the dog is in control of their lives. So outside, we were talking to a gentleman that you introduced me and he said, my dog love, love for me to drag them.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  That's his perception.

• 30:51Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Why would a dog would like to be dragged?

• 30:54Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  You know, and then he come out with a, oh, he's doing sit-ups, that's what.

• 30:57Lewis Howes?

  He's straightening his cord.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  It was all very intellectual, you know what I mean? It made no sense in the animal world.

• 31:03Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  But in his mind, made a lot of sense.

• 31:06Lewis Howes?

  What if someone feels like, you know, I feel like I'm certain, I'm confident, I'm leading and I'm, you know, poised and graceful, but it's still like, feels like I'm dragging in some sense.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  My friend, animals don't lie. So you can think that you are, doesn't mean you are. Yes. If you come from ego, selfishness and envy, you're not going to be very clear about how you feel. So a lot of times people come from ego saying, I am confident, but it's ego talking for you versus just being clear about it. Yeah. So that's why a dog is a perfect teacher of how you truly feel. They don't know how to lie. Only humans lie. They have no idea how to lie. They're the most honest man friend you will ever have.

• 31:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow. So how do we, how do we train confidence in human beings? Or

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Well, first, before you

• 31:54Lewis Howes?

  Erasing the ego.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Before you train, awareness needs to rise. You know, without, without awareness, there is no possibilities, right? And then through that awareness, then the human takes responsibility. Then once the human takes responsibility, then you enter into surrender. That's when you can teach. You can't teach a mind, the thing knows everything.

• 32:18Lewis Howes?

  That's a fact.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  You can't. So, so fight, flight, avoid, and surrender. You can only teach the mind the surrender. The mind that fights flight and avoid, you can't.

• 32:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  You can't, you can't.

• 32:28Lewis Howes?

  So once they surrender, they're aware.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Once you surrender, what happens is you open up, that means you're willing to follow. Follow what? Direction. What direction? Yoga, meditation, math, whatever you want, whatever you want. Because now you open your mind to absorb information. Once you absorb it, then you have to feel it. Once you feel it, you're clear, then you execute. Feeling and thought. You can do things without the feeling, it's not gonna look good.

• 32:55Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Dancers are a perfect example. Right? They have to feel the music before they execute the act. Yeah. Singers, you know, when a singer is nervous. They can sing, they can think they're singing, but you know, when it feels good.

• 33:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  It's a feeling.

• 33:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  It's an art.

• 33:14Lewis Howes?

  Goosebumps, right? Kind of gives you goosebumps when you feel it, when you see it.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  It connects you, it connects you to it, you know, it touches something deeply inside of you. You know, the soul, the heart, the, the body, the body, and then the mind. The mind is a flesh, is the last thing.

• 33:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  You know?

• 33:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  And the mind is a second thing. But really, the deep side of you is this, is the, is the soul, the spirit, and the heart with passion lives. That is really what we have to always connect.

• 33:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  And everything else is, you know, secondary.

• 33:46Lewis Howes?

  Powerful. What's the thing that you feel like you get to train yourself on? Or that you get to continue to open up and surrender to? Is there anything?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  I think how people view things around the world, you know, my shows in a hundred and twenty countries and every country has its own perception of words. Uh, his own perception of how to be with dogs, you know, and ego gets in the way. And a lot, and it's how, how can I influence? How can I practice patience? How can I practice calmness and stay confident with the message? Cause I know I can create world transformation. That's my goal. My goal is not to train people anymore. It's my goal to transform the world. To at least practice something so simple with a dog. Right? So to remove chaos between human and dog. That's my goal. Right? And it's possible because a dog is willing to go there.

• 34:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's willing. A dog wants to live a joyful, harmonious, happy life. That's it. That's, he doesn't care about wealth. He lives with homeless people. He doesn't care if you're perfect. He lives with handicapped people. You understand? So most of the time people can't accept the fact they don't have enough money. So they postpone happiness. Or they don't feel good enough. That means I have to work on my appearance. I don't accept myself as who I am. So they're not happy with themselves. Therefore they don't love themselves. And that, that becomes shameful. So often a human living this shameful way of being with a dog knows that you feel bad about yourself. So how can he follow that energy? How can he feel comfortable with that energy?

• 35:18Speaker 01

  How can he find no hostility in that energy where you've been hostile to you? So the dog, when he expresses aggression is because it's directly from the human who he lives with. See, aggression is not the problem, it's the outcome of a problem. And a dog doesn't know how to lie. So he's going to express himself, not with, with the intentions to hurt people. That's why I don't think we have problems with pit bulls or aggression. But it's, that is, the dog is the only one who's being honest to how he feels and who he lives with.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  So it's reflection, it's time for reflection. It's time for us to reset, take the time, breathe, relax, and really step back, become a follower, or a listener, or a student. So that's what the new book is about, the lessons from the pack. What can you learn from a dog? Right? But if a human ego is too much in front, they're gonna say, what can I learn from a dog? Life? Everything. What about that? What about that? What about if I'm not selfish? Well, and then you have a loving relationship. Because in order for you to have a loving relationship, you have to take in consideration the other person's needs and wants. When you're selfish, it's all about you. So unconsciously, my clients are living a very selfish way of being.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  So they focus on fulfilling their needs first and foremost, unconsciously, unconsciously. You know, because they say, well, I want my dog to be my baby. I want my dog to be my accessory. I want a dog to be my companion. I wanted to... It's... I... Right? It's just, what can I do? Which a dog always comes with that disposition, how can I help you? Right? A dog is always there for the pack. And human is actually more for self nowadays. Yes. So the human is actually acting more like a cat than a dog. Yeah. Even though humankind loves dogs more than cats. I do love cats, though. No, no. But I'm saying, there's more people, there's more people, they actually are more dog people than cat people. And cat people don't really hang around. Right. Because there's no cat cards.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  You can't go here. So you guys are very limited on the social explosion? Yes, yes. Exploration, or cat cafes? You can't bring a cat in a cafe? You know, so the cat behavior is a very self. You know, it's away from, right? But the cat is programmed that way. I'm not saying is there anything wrong with the cat. I'm saying the cat is programmed that way. That's why it's easier to live with a cat. Because it's more independent. Right. That's the word they always use with the cat. It's just the cat doesn't really have that innate necessity to be with someone. Versus a horse, a goat, a pig, a chicken, an elephant, a dog.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  That's a human. That species requires another, something to be with. And if you don't like humans, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna gravitate to some, to another species. That's when people become hoarders.

• 38:19Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  They hate humans.

• 38:21Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Right, but they end up having cats or dogs, which is not healthy either.

• 38:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Crazy. What's the biggest lesson you learned from one of the dogs you've been with?

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness.

• 38:33Lewis Howes?

  Biggest lesson about life? Or yourself?

• 38:36Speaker 01

  I don't, it's, the thing is, when you are, uh, depends on what stage of life you are, right? I mean, when I was a adolescent and I moved from the, from the ranch to the city. Uh, um, I was bullied because I was the kid that was followed by dogs. And oh, in Mexico, it wasn't very popular to be followed by dogs. In America, you get to be called a dog whisperer. In Mexico, you get to be called el perro, which is actually a negative thing.

• 39:01Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  You know, and so it depends where you are, at what time. To say that a dog can only teach you one thing is, is too limited to the profound experiences of life.

• 39:11Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  You know, when I became a father, you know, I didn't know how to raise it, but they do, they knew. I, I knew how to raise dogs. I just didn't never raised hu- humans.

• 39:19Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's so, uh, when I got divorced, I didn't, I didn't know how to take a, uh, an information that I wasn't, I wasn't aware of. You know, when, when, when the kids separated from me in the moment of the divorce, I didn't know how to take that either. So, it's so many uncertainty moments in my life that you really need some, some wise person, or in this case for me, a dog, you know, when I commit suicide. Uh, how do I take that? Why I feel like a failure? Why I want to take away, uh, myself away from this earth? Why, why is that? All those feelings? And who was there every single time? A dog. But it depends, you know, it depends what have I learned?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  It depends when, what stage of my life you get me. You know, the good news is I'm, is I always have a dog near me. Thanks God. You know what I mean? I, I went to the White House because of dog. I met Oprah because of dog. I'm here because of the dog. You know, I raised my kids. My kids have a TV show because of dog. My parents in Mexico are fine because of dog. So, I'm the first human that owes everything to a dog.

• 40:27Lewis Howes?

  Well, what, let's talk about the, uh, we only have a few minutes, but let's talk about the lesson that you learned going through a divorce. What was the biggest lesson about dogs you learned then?

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Um, to accept, you know, accept things that you were not in control of. Uh, the acceptance part, you know, it was uh, and to really go through that. It's it's almost like you're going on a roller coaster. At least for me, it felt like I was going down, down, down, down.

• 40:51Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Yes, it's just.

• 40:53Lewis Howes?

  Well, your career was going up, up, up, right?

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, my career, my career.

• 40:58Lewis Howes?

  Which personal relationship was going down?

• 40:59Speaker 01

  My personal relationship was going down and my career was going up, you know, so I I got to be disconnected uh, at once. And um, so not to be in tune or aware of when that was happening. And um, you know, that's, and I realized that sometimes um, humans are not compatible. We were not compatible from the beginning. We tried to make it work for the boys, but we were not compatible. She was actually a cat person.

• 41:27Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  She was not a dog person. And you married a dog?

• 41:32Speaker 01

  That was not really good. That was not good, but it it, you know, um, it was the, it was like, that's when compatibility to me became so real. I always knew compatibility with dogs. I always get the right dog for me, like.

• 41:45Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I can have thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred and and I I I always get the the energy that is compatible to what I like. I love all dogs, but a certain energy is going to be easier for me to deal with.

• 41:57Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  You know, and and and for them and for them vice versa. But that's, that's when I realized that compatibility has to be, have to play a big role in who I'm going to share my life with in a human form. You know, and understand, you know, the the the uh, the psychology of women is completely different and their goals and their needs and everything else.

• 42:18Lewis Howes?

  Uh, how, I don't know where to go here, but compared to dogs, how is the psychology of women compared to that?

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Well, the needs, the needs, you know, is uh, is is is uh, dogs are instinctual.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Women are emotional, right? And so you have to surrender to that. They're not wrong for it. They're just that way.

• 42:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Right? And so you have to take in consideration that when emotions are surfacing, they're going to have a long time conversation. Right? And you have to be in the follower state. You have to be in a listening state.

• 42:56Lewis Howes?

  Patient.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can't say thirty minutes of this. So you can't put time.

• 43:00Lewis Howes?

  It could be hours, it could be days.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  It is what it is, my friend.

• 43:03Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  So, so, so, so the best thing to do. So the best thing to do is to really be in love with the person you're about to see down. Because the love is what feeds the patience. You see it? So if you're not in love, it's gonna be very hard. So you're gonna come out with your set of rules, boundaries and limitations, which you're not going to allow them to express themselves the way they want to. So they're not gonna feel validated or, or taking considerations. So they're gonna say it's always your needs. So it's like, no, no, I give you thirty minutes.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  So, so that's, that's actually very, very important that I learned through that, you know?

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Which I knew how to do it with dogs.

• 43:45Lewis Howes?

  But now with humans?

• 43:46Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 43:47Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  I've never been married. That was my first marriage. You know, my first marriage, my first. In my culture, we don't talk about woman psychology.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  So we immediately go into training instead of fulfilling, which is a big bad step because what I teach the people is about fulfilling the needs of a dog before you go to train a dog. So then I started learning all the parallels that I was doing, breaking the rules or the nature of a woman. I always said, never work against mother nature. And that applies to the nature of a woman. So I learned a lot in that marriage, you know? And so now in my new, my new relationship, I'm a really good student.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  I have the patience of a saint.

• 44:30Lewis Howes?

  That's great. And how are you managing your career at the time of this, you know, emotional stress and?

• 44:40Lewis Howes?

  Disconnection, how were you able to stay focused and was it affecting it or?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Uh, in the beginning, I didn't manage my career. It was managed by somebody else. So I went into a lawsuit and uh, I was not in control of my, you know, intellectual uh, uh, uh, things, you know, uh, and so it, it, so I realized that. So that's the beautiful part about, you know, uh, the, what I went through that I realized that I was not really leading that side of my life.

• 45:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  I was pretty much a follower and employee, which I then I find out that a lot of, I like, a lot of guys in Hollywood go through it. You know, they don't really own the intellectual property.

• 45:13Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  And so that was a great thing. And uh, from that point on, I learned, okay, so I have to pretty much understand that I have to lead that world as well, you know, in order for the, for, for me not to have that experience again. And so I went back. I went all the way to back bankruptcy. I already knew how to be without money.

• 45:32Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  So it wasn't a big deal for me that.

• 45:34Lewis Howes?

  And the show was already, the show was taken off at this time and?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, everything was gone. It's just I have no money.

• 45:39Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I have zero money. I have this uh, popularity and I have this relationship, you know, with the networks, but, but when it came to money, working for so many years, I had zero. So I went back, I went back to my old self. So it was like slapping the face from, from, from life and like snap out of it and, you know, and understand that you have to also lead this side of life. So I took it that way. I took it in a very optimistic, very uh, you know, positive way. And I didn't really dwell on that one. You know, for me, like bankruptcy wasn't a big deal. Money is not a big deal for me, even though I make good money. Uh, what, what's for me is about the goal in life I have, the mission. You know, money is a byproduct. Money follows. I don't follow money.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  So for me, that was, that wasn't so much me, it's about the pack, the family, the well-being and all of that. That's, that's why I have such a hard time dealing with because I was doing everything by the book.

• 46:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  You know, I, I was a good follower. I was a good team member, you know, I, I, I work hard. You know, I've had great positive energy, but then this thing happened and it needed to happen. Now I'm the, it's just the greatest thing that happened to me.

• 46:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Greatest, greatest thing to happen.

• 46:50Lewis Howes?

  You learned a lot through the adversity, you learned a lot.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  I can help a lot of guys.

• 46:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? In order to your help, you actually have to be there. You can't just talk basically because you read a book and you went to school. If you go through there, that is the best school in the world. Cause you can empathize with the person.

• 47:04Lewis Howes?

  I have so many questions, but I have to ask you afterwards. I have three final questions. Is that okay? Okay, three final questions. And before I ask them, I want to make sure everyone gets the book. It's called Lessons From The Pack: Stories Of The Dogs Who Changed

• 47:16Speaker 01

  My Life.

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  My Life, Your Life. And you also have a new show out, right?

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Dog Nation.

• 47:21Lewis Howes?

  Dog Nation?

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:22Lewis Howes?

  And what is different about this show from?

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Everything, everything, everything. Number one, I'm bringing my 22-year-old son on the road. As a father, I want to make sure that they continue being a service to the world, you know? What we do here is a job that changes people's life, you know, just by sometimes listening, sometimes supporting, sometimes, you know, bringing different points of views. And at the same time, we have a beautiful platform that can help a lot of organizations who are doing great things in our communities already, you know? And so I want him to have that humanitarian side. Of course, I want to make sure that I honor what people have got to know me, which is coming to people's home and changing their life. And Caesar came to my house and I helped him. And then I do live demonstrations in the show, where you see in real-time transformations, where you can take, you know, tips home with it,

• 48:09Speaker 01

  because you're seeing this transformation live, okay? So you have the three elements that I have done all my life: live events, in-home consultation, and always helping organizations. So Dog Nation is about that, is about making sure that in any kind of situation, you can help. You know, so you have the fun, you have the education, and you have the heart.

• 48:29Lewis Howes?

  That's great.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:30Lewis Howes?

  And it's on Nat Geo, right?

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Nat Geo Wild.

• 48:33Lewis Howes?

  Nat Geo?

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Nat Geo Wild, yes.

• 48:34Lewis Howes?

  Okay, cool.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  And Nat Geo focuses on humans, and Nat Geo Wild focuses on animals.

• 48:38Lewis Howes?

  Wild, gotcha, yeah, gotcha. Awesome. And where can they learn about you with all this stuff? They can get the book at your website, and get it in bookstores everywhere.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, we have a website called Caesar's Way dot, Caesar's Way dot com, yeah, Caesar's Way dot com. Would you?

• 48:52Lewis Howes?

  It's got everything on there.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  All the information. We have a community, you know, where people can help each other, suggest each other. I think that is really what I want to convey in the world, with a place where you can, everybody who, everybody can help, just suggestion, everybody's suggestion, sometimes a certain word changes a different understanding, you know?

• 49:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, okay. Question number one is, what are you most grateful for in your life recently?

• 49:18Speaker 01

  Man, my life is so beautiful. I am grateful for this moment of being able to speak about something that I'm very passionate about it. You know what I mean? I am grateful that my two kids are a contribution to America, are a contribution to the world. They are respectful human beings, you know? They are practicing a very important part in life, which is to be a good role model. Yeah. Calvin is doing the, you know, preschoolers, Andre is doing the millenniums, and I'm doing the rest of the humanity. I'm very grateful of that. Of course, I'm very grateful that my two parents are are healthy. And I'm gonna take them to my mom's biggest dream on the planet, which is going to Israel.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  I promised that when I was little, and I said, Mom, when I make money, I'm gonna take you to Israel. So you can step on the on the land, the Jesus, you know, she's very Catholic. Sure, sure. I'm gonna be the baddest son of all, you know? And of course, I have, I have, at this point, the support that I need to continue my masculine side. You know, which is my fiancee. She has the feminine energy that feeds my masculine self. You understand? And that for me is is beauty. When I come home, it's just, it's a, it's a beautiful place where I feel that I can heal. I can, I can re-energia- Re-energize?

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Re-energize with the feminine energy that she has. Wow. You know, and she's very, she's very optimistic, very positive, very sweet, very understanding, very supportive. I mean, that's a lot of great things. And on top of that, she's gorgeous, right? On top of that, she cooks amazing. On top of that, she cooks on heels. So there you go.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  So this is like biggest dream for a whisper. So I'm, you know, and I have, I have great partners. I have a great team of people right now. You know, I am healthy.

• 51:25Lewis Howes?

  Living the dream, man.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I I am. My spirit is really happy right now. My heart is really full. My instincts are in place and my mind just creates so many opportunities. So I am fulfilling my four worlds, you know, so that to me is is is huge.

• 51:39Lewis Howes?

  Amazing, amazing.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  So I'm grateful for that.

• 51:41Lewis Howes?

  Well, that's glad to hear that. Question number two is, uh, this is the last day for you many years from now. Many, many years from now, you've achieved everything that you set out to do. You've done TV shows and everyone's seen your shows. You've rehabilitated every human and trained every dog. You know, everything you've ever wanted to do, you've done it.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  So that's like imagination?

• 52:04Lewis Howes?

  No, this is like real. Yes, like you've done everything you want to do many years from now.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Okay. All right.

• 52:09Lewis Howes?

  Many fifty seventy eighty, whatever you wanted to do. Yeah, you've done it.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:13Lewis Howes?

  But it's the last day, finally, right? And um, all your friends and family are there.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:19Lewis Howes?

  It's a beautiful. Yeah, it's your last day on earth. It's your last day on earth.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 52:23Lewis Howes?

  But it's a long ways away.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

• 52:25Lewis Howes?

  And uh, you've everything you've ever created, every TV show, book, everything you've got out there, whatever reason, erased.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Erased.

• 52:35Lewis Howes?

  It's gone.

• 52:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 52:37Lewis Howes?

  So people don't have access to the information you've created.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  All right.

• 52:39Lewis Howes?

  And you have a piece of paper and a pen.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:42Lewis Howes?

  And you get to write down three truths. The three things you know to be true about your entire experience in life, whether it be lessons or views on things, but the three things that is the only thing that people would have to remember you by is your information. So what would your three truths be?

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Never work against Mother Nature, live in the moment and fulfill the needs of others. That's it.

• 53:04Lewis Howes?

  Simple. Those are beautiful.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:07Lewis Howes?

  Those are beautiful. Well, before I ask the third question, I want to take a moment to acknowledge you, Caesar, for your incredible heart. You've got such a gift of love, support, generosity and grace. I think you're an incredibly masculine man, but you have such grace in that masculinity. And I think that's what attracts so many people to you. I've been attracted to your work for years. I told you before, I've been trying to, I've been trying to get to interview you for over two years.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:33Lewis Howes?

  And finally was able to make it happen. But your ability to heal humans and animals, I think is such a beautiful gift. And um, I want to acknowledge you for that.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Well, thank you, my friend.

• 53:45Lewis Howes?

  And the the third and final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Definition of greatness. Calm. To be calm and enjoy the moment. That's a great thing to do, greatness. Confidence. Whatever you put in your mind, you you can accomplish it. Patience. Celebration of accomplishing goals and having people around to love and to learn to love un- unconditional.

• 54:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  And and to love, uh, to learn to love yourself. I think that to me is greatness.

• 54:22Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, there you go. See you, Milan. Thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate it.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  The hard work is just repetition of what you do.

• 54:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  So as long as you are a a working person, you're gonna work hard. So that comes, that comes with the formula. It's just, that's what you're gonna do. Remember, people are consistent, but they're sometimes uh uh consistent of doing the wrong thing. So even lazy people are consistent.

• 54:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  You see it? So they work hard to be lazy.

• 54:50Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  So the hard work comes along just by the fact that you're doing something every day.

• 54:54Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  You know, but it's what you put in your in your goals. What is your mission? Is it your mission to help others? Was it your mission to help yourself? So if you help, if your mission is to help yourself, you're not gonna go too far. If your mission is to help others, you're gonna fulfill spirit, heart, instincts and mind. Because that's when you make a bigger difference. That to me is greatness. It's just the greatness to help others. And and for me has been dogs, right, to help dogs. And then through that I help humans. And then from that is a roller coaster of like so many things I can do. I can create a great world. Why not? It's available.

• 55:33Lewis Howes?

  I love it. Hey, I'll let you keep talking if you want to keep sharing. I appreciate it, man.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

• 55:38Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it.

• 55:41Lewis Howes?

  Oh guys, this one was a fun one for me. I wish I had another hour with Cesar. I wish I could get more out of him and ask him some more questions. And I'm going to bring him back on at some point because I feel like we just scratched the surface. If you loved this, if you got value out of this in any way, please let me know over on social media @lewishouse and tag Cesar Millan as well. And share this with your friends. I reply to pretty much every tweet that I see that anyone posts out with my name and the link to this on either the show notes or on iTunes. So go ahead and tweet this out, lewishouse.com/455 right now. I want to hear from you. I want to connect with you. I'm going to respond to you or like it at the minimum, your tweet.

• 56:26Lewis Howes?

  Post it on Facebook and a lot of you are tagging me in your Instagram stories and on your Instagram posts. So do that and tag me. I'm replying to 99% of people who tag me and say something. I'm going to reply or at least say thank you. So if you can, tag me everywhere @lewishouse. Also, I want to give a shout out to our sponsors. Guys, if you are doing your taxes yourself, don't do it. I'm telling you, it is not worth your time. Hire someone to do it and bench.co/greatness is going to give you 20% off your first six months when you use them. You should be focusing on your business. You should be focusing on building relationships and using your gifts. I love you guys very much. I hope this is bringing value to your life.

• 57:11Lewis Howes?

  And even if you're in college right now, I hope you're double majoring like Ryan Evers is from the beginning of this podcast where you're learning more insights and you're getting better lectures than any lecture you could get in college from this show. It's my mission to bring you the most inspiring information, ideas, and people on the planet to help you unlock your inner greatness. So thank you for being a part of this incredible movement where we get over 1.5 million downloads a month. We hit over 30 million downloads recently and it's all because of you. I love you very much. Go be the leader of the pack and you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.