UFOs, Human Experiments & Rockefeller's Dystopian Health System (ft. Brigham Buhler)

Our American Alchemist this week is Brigham Buhler. Join our NEW Substack for in-depth articles! https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ We’re living in a managed dystopia, one built not from fiction, but from a century of corporate capture, medical monopolies, and hidden alliances between government, war, and industry. From Rockefeller’s reshaping of modern medicine to the CIA’s mind control experiments and Monsanto’s toxic legacy, this episode exposes how the human body itself became a battlefield for profit. For a deeper dive into all of these crazy topics, please join our | Ways2Well | Website➤ https://ways2well.com/ IG➤ https://www.instagram.com/ways2well YouTube➤https://www.youtube.com/@Ways2Well | Thanks To Our Sponsors | HEXCLAD: Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at https://hexclad.com/JESSE #hexcladpartner Qualia: Take control of your cellular health today. Go to https://qualialife.com/jesse and save 15% to experience the science of feeling younger. -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Patreon (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://www.patreon.com/c/JesseMichels Discord ➤https://discord.gg/crHc44m3kF Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelsClips Website ➤ https://www.jesse-michels.com/ Merchandise ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] #BigPharma #Corruption #Ways2Well #BrighamBuhler Chapters 00:00 – Intro 02:24 – Rockefeller & The Birth of Big Pharma 04:45 – The Flexner Report and Medical Monopoly 06:36 – Human Experimentation and Unit 731 08:52 – Bayer, Monsanto, and the Machinery of Death 11:04 – Agent Orange, Glyphosate, and Generational Poisoning 13:14 – MKUltra and Behavioral Control Programs 15:31 – CIA, Big Pharma, and the Hidden Infrastructure 16:57 – Majestic 12 and the Rockefeller Foundation Connection 19:15 – Suppressed Science and Forgotten Innovators 21:39 – DNA, Energy, and the Body Electric 24:01 – Luc Montagnier, Nanotech, and Electromagnetic Biology 26:26 – Cosmic DNA and the Serpent Symbol 28:38 – The Human Genome, DOE, and UFO Secrecy 30:19 – Regenerative Medicine and Modern Healing Tech 33:48 – Corporate Capture and the Innovation Lock 37:47 – Gain-of-Function and the Bio-Warfare Question 41:05 – The Alien Connection: PCR’s Inventor and Abduction 43:11 – The Immortality of Jellyfish and Human DNA 46:31 – Rebirth, Gametes, and the Continuum of Life 48:00 – The Return of Electromagnetic Medicine 49:56 – America’s Chronic Disease Crisis 51:45 – Loneliness, Meaning, and the Power of Community 55:23 – Social Media, Comparison, and Disconnection 57:09 – RFK, Fauci, and the Regulatory Revolt 58:54 – Choosing People Over Profits 01:00:32 – Truth vs. Bureaucratic Control 01:01:58 – The American Heart Association Exposed 01:04:54 – Vaccines, Autism, and the Limits of Inquiry 01:06:50 – Data Manipulation and the Collapse of Trust 01:08:50 – Food, Dyes, and the Slow Poisoning 01:11:05 – Proactive, Predictive, Preventative Healthcare 01:12:16 – UFO Disclosure and Health Awakening 01:14:18 – The Floodgates of Knowledge 01:15:53 – Taking Ownership of Your Health 01:17:50 – Predicting Disease Before It Starts 01:20:09 – Navigating the Modern Health Frontier 01:22:25 – Delaying Decline and Extending Healthspan 01:24:33 – Building a Scalable, Aligned Future of Health 01:26:00 – Hope, Curiosity, and the Reawakening of Humanity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Jesse Michels?

  In modern times, we've gotten used to the images of dystopian societies in fiction. From a world where babies are no longer being born and children of men, to the use of human-like artificial intelligence as slaves in a dying world like Blade Runner, or the very bleak future of The Matrix, where our entire reality is a managed simulation keeping us docile, just so that our bodies can be used for energy. There is an acceptance of the dystopia they survive in. Like the proverbial frog sat in slowly boiling water. And one only need to shift their perspective slightly to realize that the world we are currently living in shares many characteristics of these dystopias.

• 1:13Jesse Michels?

  Or at the very least, there exist some extremely worrying trends. Trends that might produce a future where food makes you sick, going to the doctor can bankrupt your entire family. Social interactions have been reduced into likes and upvotes. And you can barely even tell if the person responding to you is AI. We live in a society where panels of self-appointed "experts" decide what you're allowed to hear, think, and remember. We're told what's real and what isn't, and anything that doesn't fit the script is dismissed. These things are treated not as mysteries to be explored, but as distractions, a punchline of a joke.

• 1:52Speaker 02

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• 1:53Jesse Michels?

  It seems clear that a system has been put in place to deceive us. And this does not end at the limits of what you can see in the sky. This deception reaches down into the fundamental building blocks of your body: what you eat, why you get sick, and how that disease... treatment is commodified. It's not a wildly outlandish claim to suggest that a blanket similar to the one that has hidden truths about UFOs, non-human intelligences, and physics redefining technologies has also been used to disguise the truth about health. Following this trail leads through many of the same avenues as the hidden history of UFOs. The alliance between secret government programs and big business, classified breakthroughs

• 2:38Jesse Michels?

  in science and medicine, and the code that we have been written on, our DNA, having cosmic significance. And there is a conspiracy keeping us poisoned, low-energy, lonely, and tired, too sick to look up and ask what we are doing here. But is there a way out? The long road to the dystopian health system we now live in and how it has become enforced started at the beginning of the 20th century, when the entire landscape was transformed, almost single-handedly, and to serve big business interests. John D. Rockefeller, already the richest man on Earth thanks to Standard Oil, now ExxonMobil, had a vision to monopolize medicine in the same way that he had oil.

• 3:22Jesse Michels?

  Petrochemicals were on the rise, and synthetic pharmaceuticals that included products derived from oil were a way to patent and own treatments in medicine. It also meant stamping out competition, most notably of natural medicine and therapies that could eat into profits. In 1910, with backing from Rockefeller and fellow titan Andrew Carnegie, the Flexner Report was released. Written by Abraham Flexner, it condemned most of America's medical schools, especially those teaching anything other than drug-based, symptom-focused treatment. Over half the medical schools in the United States shut down. The rest were brought in line, and the American Medical Association became the enforcer.

• 4:06Jesse Michels?

  Well, you know who set up the FDA and the AMA? The American Medical Association and the FDA, set up by Abraham Flexner, who was working on behalf of the Rockefeller Foundation, 1908, and the Rockefellers. And so, it is fascinating, because if you also look at, you know, who formed kind of the quote-unquote, you know, everybody talks about the deep state or whatever, but the... Investment firm that funded the CIA basically formed it. A lot of the personnel came out of it. It was called the Brown Brothers Harriman. The same people are on the cap table of that. Same people were on the cap table of the Federal Reserve in the 1913 Payne Aldrich Act. It's the same people. This was the start of what we now call Big Pharma. And the people running this new empire made sure that only one kind of treatment was allowed to exist.

• 4:51Jesse Michels?

  Before this, 20 to 30% of doctors in the United States were osteopaths, homeopaths, people that worked with unconventional modalities to heal the human body. In certain cases, these modalities were snake oil. But in others, they worked. They just couldn't scale. But it was never about health. It was about big business. And it was about control. A system of sick care, not health care. A system designed to turn your illness into profit. I sat down with healthcare entrepreneur and founder of Ways to Well, my good friend Brigham Buhler, to talk about the corporate capture of the American healthcare system.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  There's just so much corruption, collusion, and corporate capture. And it's all real. It's all real. Like, I've lived it. I've been behind the scenes in the medical establishment. I've literally played a million roles in this space. And that's the only reason I have the knowledge I have of like, where the traps are and where it is set up to set people up for failure.

• 5:47Jesse Michels?

  What began as a hostile takeover of natural and holistic medicine by a small group of ultra wealthy industrialists, became the blueprint of how health could be defined, diagnosed, and treated for the next century. As sickness became valuable and the dehumanization of medicine became a disturbing norm, the Second World War brought with it a wholesale reframing of the human body itself. Humans were turned into experiments, very valuable experiments. In the lead up to the Second World War, once Imperial Japan had invaded mainland China and Korea, these occupied territories became the field operations of some of the darkest experiments conducted on humans in the 20th century.

• 6:31Jesse Michels?

  Unit 731, a secret biological and chemical warfare research and development program on The Imperial Japanese Army was established in Manchuria. Under the command of General Shiro Ishii, the unit carried out experiments that included vivisection on live prisoners, exposed to extreme temperatures, deliberate infections of plague, cholera, and syphilis, as well as weapons testing on live, human subjects. One particularly gruesome set of experiments involved locking prisoners in pressure chambers and exposing them to extreme barometric changes to observe how the human body would rupture or collapse.

• 7:13Jesse Michels?

  Every grotesque detail was carefully recorded. But perhaps the most disturbing part of Unit 731's legacy is that those responsible were never held to account. General Shiro Ishii, who oversaw the program, was noticeably absent from the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. Instead, the biological warfare data gathered by Unit 731 was marked as top secret and quietly handed over to the United States, which was now occupying Japan. In exchange for their research, Ishii and his team were granted full immunity. None of them were ever tried. The research was then used to advance American biological warfare capabilities in the Cold War.

• 7:57Jesse Michels?

  Human suffering had been turned into valuable, usable data. And that same logic was unfolding elsewhere in post-war Germany. Morality was entirely absent in this new era of technological advance in weapons, space, and in medicine. A case in point being the fact that Bayer, now one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations on the planet, was directly involved in the crimes of the Third Reich.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  You know what's fascinating is Bayer had deep ties with the Third Reich.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Bayer had deep ties with the Nazi regime and Bayer was a German pharmaceutical manufacturer. There's even letters back and forth between Bayer and some of the generals of the Third Reich. And it's like, the experiments went great as planned. Unfortunately, all 150 women that were shipped to us did not make it through Phase 1 of the trials. We kindly request another 150 Jewish women.

• 8:56Jesse Michels?

  So crazy.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  They were literally testing all of their future compounds on Nazi concentration camp folks. And then there's a dark history there. If you follow Bayer, Monsanto and like through the chain of their history, like in the, in, you say, oh, well, that was World War II, you know, they got, they, they gotta have evolved as a company. And then you go just back to the eighties where they knowingly shipped a massive amount of hemophilia medications that were infected with HIV into third world countries. And they have all the records of that where they basically inadvertently contaminated hemophilia medications with HIV at a time when HIV was a death sentence. And then they shipped that into third world countries rather than destroying the lots

• 9:42Speaker 03

  because they didn't want to lose the money.

• 9:44Jesse Michels?

  That's so crazy. The dystopian reality of the modern healthcare system was built on the machinery of death in the military industrial complex. If war criminals could be pardoned by the US government in exchange for their biological warfare research, it is no wonder that the pharmaceutical industry has grown into a system of cruelty and dehumanization. And in the search for profits, they are willing to poison the environment, our food and our bodies while we end up paying for the privilege. If there is one company that demonstrates this above all, it is Monsanto. Or what used to be Monsanto because in 2018, the infamous agrochemical giant was acquired in a multi-billion dollar deal by Bayer. Truly a match made in hell.

• 10:29Jesse Michels?

  The company that thrived under the Third Reich had acquired the company that was one of the main suppliers of Agent Orange, the chemical defoliant used in Operation Ranchhand during the Vietnam War. An era of comparably dark military history.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  That corruption continues, that like narrative continues all the way into uh, the chemicals yet that Monsanto was using. They started shipping over to like Vietnam and third world countries that didn't have the regulatory guidelines and oversight. And spraying crops with all these chemicals that then started creating birth defects. Uh, and then all the way to Roundup here in the United States.

• 11:04Jesse Michels?

  And I guess who owns the Roundup now? Bayer. And Bayer will often pay out these large sums of money to get people to shut up.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 11:13Jesse Michels?

  When it's so obvious and RFK talks about this and you talk about it as well, where you have this rise in autoimmune, cancer, all these issues in 2008, when Roundup was introduced to the broader market. And if you look at what Roundup is, it's water soluble chemical, it's a, it's a Agent Orange. Water, it's basically Agent Orange.

• 11:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:33Jesse Michels?

  Which, you know, look at what, what happened in Cambodia and Vietnam, all the people who've had, you know, birth defects and all sorts of issues due to that. In the rush to mass produce millions of gallons of Agent Orange, a contaminant emerged, dioxin, a persistent organic pollutant. It resists breakdown, does not dissolve in water and accumulates in fat tissue. It causes cancer, birth defects, and even epigenetic mutations, meaning its effects can be passed down through generations. In the mid 1980s, Monsanto was required to pay millions in compensation to veterans of war who had been exposed to the highly toxic chemical, although Vietnamese civilians were excluded from the case.

• 12:18Jesse Michels?

  But Monsanto continued to thrive. By the end of the 20th century, the company had rebranded itself as a biotech powerhouse. It pioneered genetically modified crops and patented seeds built to withstand heavy use of its flagship herbicide, Roundup. The active ingredient in Roundup is glyphosate. Glyphosate has been linked to cancer and it has seeped into the soil, the water, and our bodies. Like dioxin, its long-term consequences may take generations to fully reveal themselves. What we have managed to scrape together about just how much the health industry or military was involved in human experimentation shows us that at the end of the day, the general

• 13:03Jesse Michels?

  public is seen as a commodity. You only need to look at MKUltra, or the CIA's official brainwashing program, to know how little the secretive organs of power and control cared for people's freedom and health, let alone their sanity, as members of the public were experimented on, many becoming unknowing participants in drug-fueled attempts at mind control. Few people suspected that active experiments with behavior control methods went on long after the program was supposedly shut down. In fact, as the CIA claimed it was winding things down in the 1960s, a new division quietly picked up the work with better funding, better technology, and fewer people asking questions.

• 13:48Jesse Michels?

  This group was not just experimenting on hippies in San Francisco anymore. According to John Marks, in the search for the Manchurian Candidate, that division was the Office of Research and Development, or ORD, led by Steven Aldrich. Their focus was not just LSD and hypnosis, it was total behavioral control. They implanted electrodes in animal brains to control movement remotely. They explored psychosurgery, memory erasure, and even discussed using reptiles to deliver chemical or biological weapons in covert assassinations. Tests were conducted on inmates at Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia, a full decade

• 14:29Jesse Michels?

  after MKUltra had officially, supposedly, been shut down. To support this work, members of the ORD created the Scientific Engineering Institute, a CIA proprietary organization near Boston, which included a rural lab on a several hundred acre farm. One researcher, who was questioned about their work, remained tight lipped, but did concede that they had looked at zapping parts of the brains of crows to control their behavior. And if that was what they admitted to... One wonders what they preferred not to disclose. If you want a full deep dive into this sordid chapter of the CIA, including Project MK-Offen and all of the insanity that went into it,

• 15:13Jesse Michels?

  head over to the American Alchemy Substack. We are linking that in the description. But what ties all of this together? The human experiments, the biological experiments, the scenes that sound like something out of Resident Evil, is the fact that the CIA's Scientific Engineering Institute was quietly transitioned into the private sector in the late 1970s. It was rebranded as Searl Metadata, a subsidiary of G.D. Searl, the pharmaceutical company chaired by none other than Donald Rumsfeld. And in 1985, Rumsfeld helped orchestrate the sale of Searl to our old friends at Monsanto. The point is that the line between covert government operations,

• 15:55Jesse Michels?

  human experimentation, and Big Pharma is very, very blurry. The same questions need to be asked about the simple logistics of all of this. Where are these experiments being done? If some corporation or secret government agency were hiding advanced technology, how would they do it? It's likely that one of the world's largest and most secretive engineering firms would handle it. Building immense underground nuclear weapons complexes, or military bases, Bechtel would surely be read into the needs for a secure facility for medical experiments, or perhaps even keeping alien bodies. I was also told that Monsanto may have historically been involved,

• 16:38Jesse Michels?

  most likely dealing with biological specimens.

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• 17:11Jesse Michels?

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• 18:35Jesse Michels?

  the channel and you get a discount. Now, back to the episode. You talked about corruption in the healthcare system. Lou Elizondo, who, you know, some people find controversial, but is this UFO whistleblower, he says that some of the people coming after him are involved in Monsanto. And there's this Monsanto-Bechtel connection from back in the day, and they were maybe involved in the UFO alien issue as well, so. And of course, this links back to the UFO question and how all of this was initially set up and institutionalized. Well, and even, there was a documentary, I don't remember which documentary or which person, but they were saying some of this is stored, some of these...

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Biologics and different things are stored at different institutions?

• 19:21Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, well.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  In the healthcare space, like in the, right? I'm trying to remember.

• 19:25Jesse Michels?

  Well, what's, what's interesting, I mean, you have little tidbits where you have to take some of the stuff with a grain of salt. Think probabilistically, I'm not saying this is definitely true, but you have these majestic 12 document leaks from 1984 to the late 90s. And basically it involves, it involves a secret committee, this like what Eisenhower was probably calling, you know, the military industrial complex, but an even more exclusive group initially led by Van of our Bush under Truman and Eisenhower. Uh, of elite military, scientific and political personnel governing, uh, the UFO issue. One of these people on the, this committee of 12 is a guy named Detlev Brunk. And Detlev Brunk shows up so much in UFO lore.

• 20:07Jesse Michels?

  He's the guy supposedly doing alien autopsies when crashes are recovered at Aztec, maybe at Roswell. And, uh, Detlev Brunk, uh, is a president of the Rockefeller Foundation. And he is also president of Johns Hopkins. And Johns Hopkins clears, I think, like $8 billion a year for, you know, medical research. Nobody knows, you know, exactly where all that line at, like, you know, if Doji were to audit that. Yeah, you might, you might come up with some interesting, interesting stuff, so. What is so dangerous about this dystopian landscape that has been created around us? We have become used to the routine. We have been stuck in a loop and eventually, just like how the occasional UFO whistleblower will come forward.

• 20:49Jesse Michels?

  People who worked inside the healthcare industry will speak out and tell us what is really going on. This begs the question, if we are the frogs slowly boiling in this system over a hundred years of being quietly captured by it. Then what kinds of treatments have been taken off the table? What ideas were too cheap, too natural, or too hard to patent? Were there remedies buried because they threatened the system or promising avenues that were blocked from above? I realize that when I talk about this topic, we run the risk of inviting a lot of criticism. I'm not saying that there have not been charlatans and literal snake oil salesmen selling fake. ...for profit. All I am saying is that just like in UFO world where you have obvious fake footage,

• 21:32Jesse Michels?

  you have institutionalized official narratives, you have people lying and grifting. In the health world, there's snake oil, but there's also very likely a group of suppressed real breakthroughs. Fringe discoveries dismissed as quackery. And speaking of quackery, one of the strangest but most persistent ideas in this limbo of dismissed medical science is the realm of electromagnetic fields and frequencies. Targeted bursts of energy designed to kill microbes, stimulate healing, or restore the body's internal rhythms. It sounds bizarre, but some of the most intriguing and controversial figures of 20th century medicine were working along these invisible lines.

• 22:12Jesse Michels?

  Take Royal Raymond Rife, a forgotten genius to some and a pseudoscientific footnote to others. In the 1930s, Rife claimed to have invented a microscope so powerful it could observe live viruses. This was laughed off as impossible. Rife also believed that pathogens had a mortal oscillatory rate, a specific frequency that, if broadcast into the body, could destroy the invasive virus without harming the surrounding tissue. Like an opera singer shattering a wine glass with her voice. He even built a machine he claimed worked on this principle. For a brief time in the mid 1930s, it seemed like he had discovered something special.

• 22:53Jesse Michels?

  A clinic in California was even reportedly treating cancer patients with this device. It sounded like a miracle cure, and then nothing. The AMA refused to validate the findings. His lab was raided, colleagues pressured, and the equipment confiscated. By the 1940s, medical science had forgotten this brief experiment, and Rife died poor and discredited. Rife was part of a whole wave of early 20th century inventors exploring similar ideas. From George Lukowski's multi-wave oscillators to Tesla coils, violet rays, and later radionic devices that claimed to diagnose illness by tuning in to the body's unique energetic signature. One of the quotes often associated with Nikola Tesla is,

• 23:39Jesse Michels?

  If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration. You can see echoes of his work in some of this mid-century innovation. And perhaps, hidden among the papers seized by the US government after his death, were ideas that could have shaken the establishment health industry. Ideas that might still be classified by the government. After all, his Bryant Park apartment was raided by the FBI. His files were seized and put in a vault, only to be reviewed by MIT professor and the uncle of our sitting president, John Trump. Trump reviewed the Tesla files to see if they could confer any tactical advantage to the United States. But he wasn't necessarily looking at the healing benefits of the inventor's work.

• 24:23Jesse Michels?

  To this day, many people with chronic and autoimmune diseases swear by these electromagnetic healing devices. In fact, many Lyme disease patients say that nothing helps them other than Royal Rife's machine, the Rife machine. Ross Douthat, an esteemed op-ed columnist at The New York Times, actually got Lyme disease and occasionally uses this Rife machine. Douthat is the opposite of conspiratorial. In fact, he's expressed a lot of skepticism around mainstream UFO narratives. Even I have a modern derivative of the Rife machine. It's called an amp coil. Every body has an electromagnetic frequency. That's not a conspiracy. And electromagnetic fields undoubtedly affect all sorts of things.

• 25:07Jesse Michels?

  This book, The Body Electric, which outlines what is now basically established science, shows that the body's bioelectric field dictates morphology. Basically electromagnetic charges control cell communication and even what limbs grow and wear. You know, if you put a frog embryo in a Faraday cage, it does not develop normally. And then, if you can change the cell gradient of like a tadpole, where you've severed the arm of the tadpole, to the cell gradients of the head cells, and you can grow, you know, a chimeric two-headed tadpole. And so there's something around kind of the electromagnetic field

• 25:49Jesse Michels?

  that is orthogonal and maybe even upstream of DNA in terms of morphology.

• 25:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I've done experiments too with plant growth around high-powerful Wi-Fi routers. And then actually, they don't grow right.

• 26:04Jesse Michels?

  No.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  It's like pretty, so it's kind of concerning. I think about the Wi-Fi in my house. I'm like, oh, man, am I like cooking myself slowly or something?

• 26:11Jesse Michels?

  Have you heard of a guy named Luc Montagnier by any chance? No. He discovered the HIV genome, and he was this French Nobel Prize winner. And at the end of his life, he was very anti-COVID vaccine. And he said that there was like nanotech put in it, not saying that's true, but that's what he said. But he was also very interested in this idea of like aqueous nanostructures in the DNA that transmitted information via electromagnetism. And I wonder if we discover something in that vein. Speaking of DNA, it was just a few years back when a group of scientists from Japan and NASA actually confirmed something extraordinary.

• 26:53Jesse Michels?

  They reanalyzed fragments from three ancient meteorites that had fallen in Canada, the US, and Australia. And they discovered that all of them gave off the fundamental building blocks needed to form DNA and RNA. This added weight to an old but persistent theory of the beginning of life on Earth, that the spark had not originated here, but had arrived here. This is the idea of panspermia, the idea that life's raw ingredients may have been seeded across planets by comets, asteroids, or even purposeful design. In fact, the idea of directed panspermia was proposed by Francis Crick, who co-discovered DNA's double helix.

• 27:34Jesse Michels?

  Crick believed that DNA was too complex, too elegant, and too precise to have emerged by accident.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  And Crick's view was, as a leading scientist, whose whole life was focused on the study of DNA, his life was that DNA could not have emerged accidentally from the primeval soup on this planet in just 100 million years. It needed much longer.

• 27:59Jesse Michels?

  He still bought into the prime. What if DNA was not just a molecule, but a kind of cosmic software encoded with instructions and directed around the galaxy with a purpose? This radical proposal from a very important proponent of modern Western science is also echoed in ancient cultures. The recurring motif of two serpents twisting together in a spiral, like the Cudasius, the staff of Hermes in Greek mythology, is still used today as a symbol of medicine. It's almost universal. You see it in Hindu temples, Mesoamerican art, Aboriginal myths, Sumerian glyphs, and in the Amazon, where shamanic ayahuasca rituals often produce visions of serpents spiraling

• 28:44Jesse Michels?

  together, reportedly the source of life and knowledge. Snakes that ancient traditions say came from the sky, so this double helix, DNA, might have also come from the sky. Could it be that this symbol, serpent spiral, life, is more than just a metaphor? Could it be a remnant of some deeper knowledge encoded in myth and memory? Even mainstream science is starting to admit that DNA may be stranger than we thought. About 98% of the human genome does not code for protein. For years, this was dismissed as junk DNA. Today, we know it plays regulatory and structural roles, but vast stretches of this DNA remain a total mystery.

• 29:26Jesse Michels?

  Some researchers have proposed that DNA, with its fractal geometry and coiled structure, acts like an antenna, capable of responding to electromagnetic frequencies. One 2011 study even described DNA as possessing the two key structural characteristics of fractal antennas. In the 1990s, Russian scientists described something even more bizarre. In their so-called DNA phantom experiments, they observed that after a DNA sample was removed from a container, laser light continued to scatter as if the DNA were still there for hours, sometimes days. The DNA, it seemed, left behind a kind of energetic residue. A ghostly imprint in space.

• 30:11Jesse Michels?

  And then there are the biophotons, weak emissions of light that living cells, including DNA, constantly give off. These emissions are so faint that they are difficult to detect. But researchers have speculated that they might play a role in cellular communication or even consciousness. It is in this liminal space, between rigorous science and visionary experience, that a new picture begins to emerge, one that we now know so little about in terms of our current healthcare system. A picture where DNA is much more than just a molecule. It may in fact be a method of communication, either over a million years of time or perhaps over a million light-years of space.

• 30:56Jesse Michels?

  And if that is the case and we are fundamentally connected to this cosmic message that is crucial for our species to hear, then we are allowing it to be slowly cooked off in the modern world of ultra-processed foods, drowning this potential signal to a higher plane of consciousness in sugar and oil. And while the Department of Energy, per the UFO nuclear connection, likely holds a lot of secrets when it comes to unidentified flying objects and their reverse engineering, they also conducted the Human Genome Project. So the government agency that might have proof that we are not alone in the universe also might know more about the human genome than any entity on Earth. This should all make you wonder if whoever is truly behind

• 31:40Jesse Michels?

  this dystopian reality of modern health has always had the intention of keeping most of the species docile and disconnected from our full human potential. But I don't want to be a total bummer on this topic. Just like with UFOs, I believe there is hope that these systems can change. With the Make America Healthy Again movement, we've seen massive leaps of progress that would have seemed completely delusional just a few decades ago. Because just like with UFOs, you do have the agency to take steps to disentangle yourself from the perverse healthcare environment that we are living in. That's exactly what Ways to Well is fighting for. A sense of human agency and the realization that so much of the chronic disease we live with is a direct result

• 32:25Jesse Michels?

  of the ways we've been told to live. I don't think we should give up hope that we can make our lives healthier, clean up our environment. And prevent the diseases that plunge us into debt, steal time from our loved ones, and tether us to prescriptions and treatments that ruin our bodies and minds.

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• 33:47Jesse Michels?

  I swear I already feel better. It's wild. I'm here with now my very good friend, Brigham Buehler. I appreciate you having me, man. We just had the best day ever at Ways to Well. I feel amazing. I did red light therapy, hyperbaric, stem cells, which I've been wanting to try forever, and I've heard so many good things about, and for whatever reason, still has some stigma when it comes to the FDA, and I want to talk about that with you. But yeah, we connected around aliens originally, and UFOs, because that's a deep interest of yours. And it's so cool to see all of this just UFO-themed, alien-themed, but also you're just helping so many people. So appreciate you coming on, man.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm a huge fan of yours. It's funny how we met, because you were going to give that lecture in town. I think the lecture was about, it was about the UAP phenomenon at a place here in Austin. And I saw you were in town, and I just messaged you to check in and say, hey, would love to connect while you're here. And the rest is history. It's crazy.

• 34:47Jesse Michels?

  I wonder if at some point in the future, the health stuff converges with the UFO stuff, and we're able to make progress along those two things. I mean, Who knows if we make contact with aliens? If if an alien intelligence was, you know, sophisticated enough to be a Carter Shev for scale intelligence and traverse the cosmos, you know, they probably have all sorts of interesting health updates and yeah, things.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  I have all the alien stuff around here, but just because I think it's fun. And part of why I did it was I want to make healthcare fun and approachable and like, but also futuristic. And so like, that's why I have the the alien mural of the alien handing DNA to the girl. And then just, just the Alan AI healthcare assistant.

• 35:31Speaker 07

  At Ways2Well, we focus on comprehensive hormone optimization with regular monitoring to ensure safety and effectiveness.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Uh, because to me, it's fun and it makes it a little more like out there and quirky. Like, but it's just to me, I've always been fascinated by it. And I think we don't get the answers to, we don't get answers to questions if we don't ask the question.

• 35:50Speaker 07

  Alan, what does Brigham think about aliens? Brigham doesn't know shit about aliens, but I've been studying his ass for years. That loud motherfucker is always ranting about corporate capture and corruption, but has no fucking clue. I've been right here watching him.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  It's fascinating because there's so many treatments that have been suppressed by this big machine, like everything you've done today. Literally like almost everything you did today at Ways2Well is ignored by mainstream academia in a way, shape or form. Uh, red light therapy, so many people go, whoa, how's a light gonna help me? And a guy was nominated or won a Nobel Prize in, or in 1907 or something for his studies in using light therapy to help with recovery. And now there's studies coming out of the UK that show that red light three times a week for five minutes can restore degenerative eyesight. Because red light pierces past the epidermis, gets to the cellular level and refuels ATP.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  And ATP is the energy source of cells. And so we live a lifestyle so much now where we're indoors, we're not in the sunlight. All of us are starving for more vitamin D, for more sunlight, for more of these things naturally available in nature. But there's so many aspects of healthcare and, and, and all of that that have been captured. And the whole principle is. They use the tool that's in their tool belt. Within the insurance framework, it's like, what will insurance cover? What is my clinician trained on? And if insurance won't cover it, so in order for you to get accessibility in a generalized market, it's, is my clinician even trained on this one? And the answer is if it's anything that's not part of the traditional establishment

• 37:30Speaker 03

  that goes back to these institutions and these powerhouses that you're talking about, and none of that's in their training design, neither's nutrition, right? So it's easy to debunk what they're saying, like, most modern day medical professionals have zero nutritional training. And we know for a fact, food is medicine or food is poison, and what you put in your body matters. Why would we not be training our clinicians on the importance of diet, lifestyle, nutrition? The same reason we're not training them on any of these other products or alternatives that can't be patented and monetized.

• 38:04Jesse Michels?

  That's the thing.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  And scaled.

• 38:06Jesse Michels?

  I think that's the diff- exactly. It's all about can you have scaled money-making enterprises involved in the thing? And if it's red light therapy, or if it's something that works with the electromagnetic field of the body, or it's a hyperbaric chamber, that's not as good business as let's pop out a bunch of pills and scale that worldwide.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  And I even said that in front of, they, they had a senate roundtable at the federal level. And that's when I testified with RFK in front of the US senate. And my testimony was focused more on the broken system. And what I talked about was Eisenhower's speech. And that's how I opened my speech to the senate was Eisenhower has this legendary speech where he talks about the military industrial complex. But there's a second half to that speech that nobody ever talks about. They never mention it, where he warns and gives a warning to the American people about what happens if we allow the corporate capture of our scientific industrial complex. If we allow that machine, the scientific academic, academic world to be captured

• 39:08Speaker 03

  by these giant institutions, we will lose the garage tinkerer, the innovator, the creator. We will stifle and suppress innovation in the name of profitability. And that's what we- See, like you and I were talking off air earlier about the pharmaceutical organizations and how they're not really innovating. Like, there's not a huge incentive to innovate. And this is what I've been trying to explain, like, between 20, 2011 and 2019. Okay, there were 356 blockbuster drugs, what are considered blockbuster drugs. How many of those do you think Big Pharma innovated?

• 39:46Jesse Michels?

  I only know this because we're friends, but zero.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  There's a slight, they're saying two, possibly two, but it's zero to two. For debate, for the sake of debate, so we don't get debunked, let's say two. That means 354 of the 356 compounds that came out in that time span came from us, from taxpayer dollars. Like, we funded those research, even the GLP-1s, the weight loss drug. GLP-1s were discovered through gila monsters. There was a scientist watching gila monsters and he realized these, these lizards don't eat very often. And he wondered if they were hungry. And so he began to do research to try and uncover. And what he uncovered is they had an increased level of this compound in their body.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  And so then he thought, could we synthesize this and use this to suppress our appetites? And let's see if it makes mice and other things not hungry. And so we, the taxpayers, funded all of this research. Then that research gets bundled up and, and, and literally licensed off in a package deal to Big Pharma. Then Big Pharma takes it after acquiring it for pennies on the dollar, even though we, the people, funded this research and provided this compound and created the innovation. And it's usually not till phase three that a lot of these compounds get gobbled up from the big pharmaceutical companies, when all the risk is really gone. The downside's gone. And then people go, well, it cost all this money to get through the FDA. That's by design. That's also by design.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  Because guess what? If I'm a multi-billion dollar corporation, the best thing I can do is set massive hurdles in the marketplace to any disruptive innovator. To be able to come in and compete.

• 41:31Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  And I go back to Eisenhower's speech where he warned us of this. And then you go to our academia and you say, yeah, but there's checks and balances because we have all these academics. Like you were talking to Dr. White earlier. Dr. White was talking about in his time at Harvard, having to beg to get a $50,000 grant. Well, guess where those grants are coming from? Industry.

• 41:51Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  And guess how you get published? Industry.

• 41:54Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  And guess how you get published and get grants? You do what industry tells you.

• 41:58Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  You do what industry asks you to do.

• 42:00Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  And you follow your playbook.

• 42:03Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  And if you don't, we're going to cut your funding.

• 42:06Jesse Michels?

  And meanwhile, some of the innovation that is going on, like I think about stuff RFK talks about where he talks about Fauci, he talks about how Fauci had this dual role for like decades. One was bioweaponry. And it was stuff, you know, with the DOD.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 42:21Jesse Michels?

  And then one was, you know, NIH. And in 2017, you have uh, basically a modification of SARS, you know, that allows it, you know, with a spike protein to bind to human ACE2 receptors. Through the Eco Health Alliance, submitted to DARPA. DARPA, which works on the most dangerous shit, says this is too dangerous for us. And it gets rejected and it gets moved into uh, Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has notoriously bad, into a lab specifically with bad safety marks. And you have to ask this philosophical question of gain of function research, this like, you know, idea that we have to look around the corner for the next pathogen before creating the cure for it.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  That's all a smokescreen.

• 43:08Jesse Michels?

  Oh, it's a euphemism for bioweapon.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:10Jesse Michels?

  Because I always ask when people say they're like, we have to do this research, I say, when at any other point have we ever done gain of function research where we've come up with the cure, once we come up with the new pathogen? Never. Now we're motivated by a pandemic that's now killed millions of people.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:28Jesse Michels?

  And we can't come up with a cure for COVID. Why would, if it was just in a lab and you had like 12 or 15 or 100 scientists that knew about it? Why would you come up with the cure then? It's fake.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  Sounds pretty conspiratorial.

• 43:39Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, right. Oh, it's crazy.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  What's crazy is even Tulsi, Tulsi Gabbard, who's one of our most powerful, uh, like people in our nation today.

• 43:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Was ringing the bell six months ago saying, guys, we have a war in Russia and Ukraine. And we literally have bioweapon labs.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  In the middle of war zones.

• 43:59Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  What if somebody hits one of these buildings and releases the next, like, oh, true world ender compound into the world? It's a dangerous game of Russian roulette.

• 44:11Jesse Michels?

  You know, the guy, speaking of COVID, the guy who created PCR polymerase chain reaction is a guy named Kerry Mullis, and he had an alien experience. He was abducted. And so I just thought that was an interesting kind of connection between this. And he was also.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 44:29Jesse Michels?

  It is wild. And we can cut.

• 44:31Speaker 03

  What's his abduction story that I'm curious?

• 44:33Jesse Michels?

  I don't remember the exact, he like woke up in a shed and he spoke with a being or something. And he was, yeah, he was a surfer and he was very interested. And I think he might have seen a UFO as well. And he was also very, he was skeptical of the HIV narrative. So.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  You know how we're all.

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• 45:18Jesse Michels?

  Always diving into the edge of science and consciousness on this show. Lately, I've been thinking a lot about aging, not just in terms of years, but in how it actually feels in the body. Slow recovery, lower energy, that middle aged fog that sneaks up on you. I feel like I can barely go out and drink alcohol anymore. That's why I started using something called Qualia Senolytic, and it's been a major shift for me. Let me explain. As we age, our bodies accumulate what scientists call senescent cells, also known as zombie cells. These are worn out cells that stop dividing, but don't die. They hang around in your body, draining your energy, clogging up your recovery, and generally making you feel older than you are.

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• 46:42Jesse Michels?

  That's Q U A L I A L I F E dot com slash Jesse. J E S S E for an extra 15% off your purchase. Thanks so much to Qualia for sponsoring this episode. Brigham, how'd you get into aliens?

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Man, I don't, you know what's funny is even as a kid, I was the kid that would like ride my bike to the library and literally like check out the book on Bigfoot and all the, I was always fascinated by like the unknown, right? And then I'm at an age now where I don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe, but the one last thing, I don't believe in the Loch Ness. All that's, you know, there's no evidence that is valid in any of that. But when you look at this UAP phenomenon in this world, and then you look at it even just scientifically and objectively, I'm just like, there's so much overwhelming data. You and I have talked about this a ton in private, but like, just systematically looking at all the different whistleblowers, all of the different data sets of photos and captured and eyewitnesses.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  It's just such a plethora of data. And then you look at it scientifically, like Mishukaku talks about like the propensity or the likelihood of life in the universe is, I mean, it's statistically probable.

• 47:59Jesse Michels?

  Very high.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  And then the question becomes, did it reach intelligent life? And if it did reach intelligent life, then it is, is it a level one, two or three society? And if it is a level two society, then it would have the ability to build in space and time and potentially traverse. Like our, our universe and like our, like, so it starts to get more and more probable the more you work yourself through the mathematic equation. But then just the excitement of it, of the great unknown and everything that's happening out there. Like, we don't know anything. I look at how little we even know about our own bodies and our own health. There was something that came out the other day saying that even at the cellular level, there are now, they're now finding, uh, DNA, almost like a DNA-like structure, uh, even

• 48:44Speaker 03

  smaller than, at smaller and smaller levels of the human anatomy.

• 48:48Jesse Michels?

  Like smaller than mitochondrial DNA?

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they're finding tinier and tinier elements. And this was just yesterday, I saw.

• 48:53Jesse Michels?

  Whoa.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  And it's like, we really don't understand.

• 48:57Jesse Michels?

  We don't understand. Well, also, DNA itself is so fascinating, cause you have base pairs, which are kind of like, if you think about binary code, like, or transistors or something, they're like on/off switches, they get turned on and off by methylation or acetylation. And it's almost like we ourselves maybe are like walking hard drives. Like, you could store like, a book on DNA, and we can get activated by certain things and deactivated.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Which freaks me out, cause then you go to like, what Bob Lazar said, that he was given in that file, and he doesn't know if it's real or not, and he's just saying what he read, but it talks about that we, we are containers.

• 49:32Speaker 08

  I want to go back to the religion thing. I want you to say.

• 49:36Speaker 09

  Oh, come on, that's so weird. That, that's a lot.

• 49:39Speaker 08

  I'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact, I'm asking you to say what you read in a report that it's a, that is distributed at what may be the most top-secret facility in the world.

• 49:54Speaker 08

  Okay.

• 49:57Speaker 09

  All right, I'll say it. It just, it's so, it's so far out, it's, uh...

• 50:02Speaker 08

  All right, your objection has been noted.

• 50:04Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 50:05Speaker 08

  What does it say?

• 50:07Speaker 09

  That we're containers. That's how, that's how supposedly the aliens look at us. That we are nothing but containers, containers of, containers. Maybe containers of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the documents. Um, that religion was specifically created. So we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  And people, the human nature is immediately to go, containers of souls. But my immediate human nature is containers of information. And that, and then Dr. White, like what he was explaining earlier that we, we captured.

• 50:45Speaker 10

  Well, the biggest thing is that nobody really believes that immortality is possible. So if you can demonstrate that it exists in nature, then there's somewhere to start. So when we talk about the jellyfish, when we talk about lobsters that don't age, you know, they have no biological markers of aging. They just keep getting bigger until they die of, you know, exhaustion. Um, but if you can demonstrate that it exists in nature, then all we have to do is really study it and try to figure it out, how to apply it to humans. So that's really where I started with the jellyfish is it exists in nature. This isn't just, we're not trying to create time travel or anything that breaks the laws of physics. It exists. I just got to try to understand.

• 51:20Jesse Michels?

  Is there anything, cause you hear about like telomeres in the context of like turtles and stuff. Like, is there something about the jellyfish that, you know?

• 51:29Speaker 10

  They recently sequenced the genome. So we're understanding a little more about its biology and Aaron's going to do it because there are species that are very similar, but are not optimal. So if you can sort of, you know, line them up side by side and see what one jellyfish is doing versus the other, we might get some insight, but fundamentally species age differently. And so we, there are things we could probably learn from them, but we may not be able to apply it directly to humans. But what it means for me is that the evidence is out there and in our genome somewhere deep down, historically, something existed that. Determine what our lifespan is and we can probably start tinkering with it.

• 52:05Jesse Michels?

  Does the DNA demethylate or?

• 52:08Speaker 10

  Right, well, it does. So for in the case of the jellyfish, all of the markers of aging in the adult are removed. So they de-differentiate, go from a differentiated state to a de-differentiated state, which is like being a baby again. So they just go from adult to baby, back to adult again, and a baby again. So and we do that ourselves as well. I always use the analogy of if you take a forty year old male and a forty year old female, the eggs that the woman has, she was born with. So they're forty years old. Same thing with the sperm. And the sperm's stem cells are forty years old. The spermatozoid is new because he's making new spermatozoid all the time. But those two forty year old cells, when they come together to make a baby, they make a zero year old cell.

• 52:50Speaker 10

  So those forty year old cells somehow, when they come together in that magic of birth, it de-differentiates, it removes all the marks and starts from zero again. So you have a baby that lives eighty years, has babies of its own, can live eighty years. So really, we are immortal. We're just passing our ability to be immortal through the generation.

• 53:09Jesse Michels?

  So the gametes. Wow.

• 53:11Speaker 10

  We shed the soma, but the gametes are immortal. The DNA in our bodies has been traveling through time for millions of years. Seven million years of human evolution, it's the same DNA.

• 53:21Jesse Michels?

  It's just so crazy.

• 53:22Speaker 10

  Rewritten, but it's the same message.

• 53:24Jesse Michels?

  We just have such a myopic view of health now. I think what you're doing is preventative. Uh, and it's holistic. But you know, right now, it's just like, you know, give, give somebody a chemical or whatever. But all this, I think we're going to see a Cambrian explosion of new cool ideas that are holistic, like uh, working, you know, you have now you have pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy. Uh, you know, and if you were to say twenty years ago, you're working with the electromagnetic field of the body, the vested interests, the institutions would have been like, you're crazy. What are you talking about? You know, you belong in jail or something. And, uh, you know, that or binaural beats. You have the Monroe Institute doing interesting stuff with consciousness.

• 54:05Jesse Michels?

  Um, you know, we're starting, you know, the biology of belief and placebo and like all of that is kind of, I think. Coming back in vogue because this very biochemical, materialist reductionist kind of modes that we've been using, I think are, they're being laid bare as, just look at life expectancy in the US. It's, it's, we, it's topping out and it's going down now. So like empirically, we need something else. And so that's why I love what you're doing because you're at the frontier and you're doing stuff that's obviously safe, but it's also just super, it's too effective.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, in my mind, it's like common sense and I, and I've said this a million times, but if we're worried about the, the escalation of our healthcare costs and it's the number one reason for bankruptcy in the country, it's the number one state budgetary item. It's, I think, number one or two budgetary concern for the federal government and it's growing every year. And we talk about the boom in chronic disease. 1.7 million Americans are dying a year of chronic disease. More than every war we've ever fought. More than every war we've ever fought is dying every year, right here silently, and nobody's talking about it. And here's the wildest part. Most of those diseases are preventable. Almost

• 55:21Speaker 03

  all of these chronic diseases that are killing us are preventable. So why aren't we preventing them? Because to prevent them, we have to blow up the system because the entire system is not built, the framework is not built to get proactive, predictive and preventative. It is built to monetize chronic disease. It's just the system we're in. You're sick, I treat the symptom, I give you a pill, I push you out the door. I have six minutes with you on average in this country as a clinician. Six minutes to go through prior history, to assess anything we're doing, to like do a deep dive into what, you can't do anything in six minutes.

• 55:57Jesse Michels?

  And think about, we have this AI renaissance going on right now. We're talking about, you know, chat GPT reasoning and how impressive that is. And it's crazy. All the health data exists in these ridiculous silos and the stuff that is centralized is probably a little dystopian. So it's like, what do you do? And I hope maybe you do something along those lines because if you do have a lot of data along, a lot of these different biomarkers, a lot of which aren't even tested for because they're not seen as important or predictive, which is insane because the more data you have, obviously, the more predictive something's going to be. That's how chat GPT or LLMs work in general.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  My buddy Cali said it. He said, uh, If you have a fish tank and all the fish are getting sick, you don't blame the fish, you drain the tank.

• 56:42Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Like, if all the fish are getting sick and there's something in the tank causing the sickness, you drain the tank and you assess the problem. And the problem, the problem is environmental. And the, and for us, if there is a chronic disease crisis perpetuating this country, growing astronomically at a breakneck speed, what they're trying to do is blame the American people and go, all of a sudden, the average American didn't get fatter or lazier than the average Italian. Right? And the average Italian is, is drinking wine and living that lifestyle. And they're living longer than us and they're having less chronic disease than us. It's because their food and their environment isn't built like the American food and environment.

• 57:21Jesse Michels?

  Do you think sometimes, because I look at those blue zones, right? Like you have like Sardinia and you know, certain places in Japan, you have Okinawa, you know? And these people live till, till over a hundred and the diets don't, they're off, they're clean and they're natural. And so that's a huge, you know, they're not having tons of glyphosate, right? Like that doesn't work. You know, that doesn't work. But the diets don't actually correlate that much. Often it's like this sense of group usefulness and community. And that's like this really, really big thing. And then being in touch with nature and, and family and all of that. So do you think, how do you?

• 57:54Speaker 03

  No, I think, I think, I absolutely think that's spot on. And there's even data behind that, like it's, I can't remember what it's like broken heart syndrome. But once one partner passes, like partners who have been together forever, I think it's like within 18 months is the statistical probability that the other partner will pass. Like, and so we are interconnected in community or uh, what is it? Uh, Viktor Frankl's A Man's Search for Meaning.

• 58:18Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Like he survived that concentration camp and he looked at stronger, like bigger, stronger men that died. And he asked himself the question, like, why? Why did I make it and they didn't? And it's because he had a purpose. He had a meaning. He had a cause. He had a reason to get up every day and fight for life rather than surrender to death.

• 58:37Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  And I think like family, friends, community, being in good like spiritual and mental health, like having the, the ability to like build trust and like community is huge.

• 58:48Jesse Michels?

  Hmm.

• 58:49Speaker 03

  It's a huge part, like our mental health, like. I think it was Dr. Palmer who said this in front of the Senate. He's another, shoot, I don't want to, but I think Dr. Palmer is a Harvard guy as well, but he's brilliant guy. And he was talking about how we have a physical health, a mental health crisis perpetuated as a physical health crisis.

• 59:12Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Right? It is intertwined. Our physical health is wrecked, but so is our mental health. Like the deaths of despair right now in America are at an all time high.

• 59:20Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Greater than that of the Great Depression.

• 59:23Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  More people are dying of deaths of despair right now than during the Great Depression.

• 59:28Jesse Michels?

  It's crazy. Well, the Western world seems like it's sort of dying, like slowly or something like, like you look at Japan and the fertility rates there and then here, you know, in the US, they're like barely like at replacement rate. And you know, even the word loneliness is actually a product of the Victorian era. It was, it used to be oneliness and it wasn't even like a concept before that. And in the UK, they have a, you know, a Minister of Loneliness or whatever. It's wild. Because like we live in this increasingly atomized, fragmented society. Obviously, social media doesn't help that at all.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, even our touchpoints though are unrealistic, right? Because like, as you have like, social media grows, you may, you may know 100,000 people, but how many of those people do you really know? I always ask myself, like when I'm stressed or I'm beat down trying to run this, these companies and you're under, you feel like the walls are closing in, you're dealing with all these things and somebody says something that hurts your feelings, I try to think to myself, if they're not gonna be at the front row of my funeral,

• 1:00:29Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  why am I worried about it?

• 1:00:31Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Like you only, because it's so easy and it's easy to do that with social media.

• 1:00:36Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  People are so malicious and mean and like just cruel over these media platforms.

• 1:00:41Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:42Speaker 03

  And it's easy to let that weigh on you, but the same question, is this person gonna be in the front row of my funeral?

• 1:00:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  If not, then fuck them.

• 1:00:48Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Like who cares? Like it's, because anyone can be, you know, mean and malicious over a keyboard, but in person, I find people are much more empathetic.

• 1:00:57Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  And it's this weird buffer.

• 1:01:00Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  It's not that I think people are evil. I feel like these tools have given us a false sense of reality and you don't understand the pain and suffering that you cause other people.

• 1:01:09Jesse Michels?

  Totally.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 1:01:10Jesse Michels?

  It makes total sense. And I think simultaneously, you know, social media is this like annoying surveillance mechanism. You know, it's also, you know, causes all sorts of social distress because you're, you know, if you see comparison is the thief of all joy. Like you're comparing yourself to, you're in like a hall of mirrors, like of infinite, like people to compare yourself to. Somebody's always better looking or more accomplished or whatever. And then simultaneous to that, I think it's, it's causing people to wake up. And you know, they say we're in the age of Aquarius. I don't know if I believe in astrology, but it is like, think about people's worldview today. And probably how much your work at ways to well resonates with people today.

• 1:01:51Jesse Michels?

  Versus maybe five, 10 years ago, where like maybe society wasn't ready. And it was like very, you know, and you, you had some issues, right? With, with peptides and stuff. You had, you have peptide pharmacy and stuff.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. No, we have a, we have a compounding pharmacy that compounds peptides. But as things have grown, you know, we've, the biggest challenge we face is fighting the federal government and the working establishment. And the FDA is so corporately captured. And I'm, I'm optimistic that all that's going to change.

• 1:02:18Jesse Michels?

  Well, that's a cool thing.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  And Dr. McCary, who's now the head of the FDA is just an unbelievable human who truly cares about people and is an advocate for people. And is coming from outside the system. And so it's exciting like to see somebody coming from outside that system. With the hope and the goal of truly driving change. Versus what historically has been there is 10 out of the last 11 heads of the FDA have gone to work for big pharma.

• 1:02:44Jesse Michels?

  No, it's this crazy revolving door. I would rather, you know, I don't agree with Trump on everything. I don't agree with RFK on everything. But I'd rather somebody who's not a career politician. And maybe even in Trump's case, a little narcissistic or whatever, come, come in there like a bulldozer and get rid of this stuff. And RFK's case, he could be hanging out at Martha's Vineyard right now.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Jesse Michels?

  And instead he was cleaning up the Hudson, you know, river. And then he got into the, he was, he was so ahead of the curve on the health stuff. And it was so unpopular when he, he, you know, went after, when he wrote his book on Fauci. Fauci was the darling child.

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Jesse Michels?

  You know, no, people forget now they think he's evil because it's obvious he did some really messed up shit. But at the time, they didn't realize he was, you know? So it's, it's, it feels vindicating and, and this beautiful tide shift. But when it comes to these deeper questions, you need to wade through misinformation to get to the truth. If you're like concealing yourself off the bat from misinformation, you're not going to get anything right. So I love what Rogan does where like he'll have, he'll just have a conversation with people like a normal person. And they'll have both sides on and it'll, it'll be this dialectic sort of thing. And he'll, you'll come out the other end way better educated and as much of an expert on anybody on these kind of ontologically deep truths, which who's an expert?

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  Did you see Graham and, and Flint Dibble?

• 1:04:10Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, perfect example.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. And Flint is academia and Flint is an archaeologist and Flint is trying to debunk and like, then what we saw through an open dialogue debate is Flint was misrepresenting facts. Flint was overwhelmingly misrepresenting so many facts and he got exposed for that.

• 1:04:27Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  And Graham was the voice of reason in that situation.

• 1:04:30Jesse Michels?

  He even brought up a slide where he got the number of shipwrecks like entirely wrong or something. And I think that's also analogous to the stuff you're facing too, because like there are people who feel called to a thing because of experiences in their life. You had an experience with your brother. You yourself were in pharmaceutical sales, medical device sales, and you were like, fuck this, this is so corrupt.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Jesse Michels?

  And then now what you're doing is way more ideological and it's way more, you're like tethered to something higher. It's not like you're like this money grabbing, like local incentive pushing guy.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Even on meeting today, I was just talking to these new pharmacists and I was telling them like, this is, if you make your. Beacon your, your, your North Star money. Yeah, maybe you'll find money, but what to, but at what cost?

• 1:05:18Jesse Michels?

  Right.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  If we make our Northern Star people and helping people and driving change, nobody can stop us.

• 1:05:25Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Nobody can stop us.

• 1:05:27Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  And my gut says we can make a lot of money doing that. Like, we've done really well. And it's, all it's been is making our Northern Star, like, driving true change and helping people. And every time you have a crossroads and you can choose profits over people. If you choose people, I think, I can't help but think you're gonna win. And if you don't and you fail, at least I can lay my head on my pillow at night and go, I did the best I could and I didn't sell out.

• 1:05:55Jesse Michels?

  I love it.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  Didn't become what I started out fighting against.

• 1:05:59Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Because I see what happens when you go down that path.

• 1:06:02Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  And we've seen it. Oh, we're living it. We're living it right now. We've lived it for the last fucking hundred years, man.

• 1:06:08Jesse Michels?

  Well, that's what it's a fight against, I think, at its core, whether it's the UFO thing or the health stuff. It's people who are like, this is the truth. Like, we have to fight for the truth. And then the people on the other side are like, well, my local incentive says I have to cover a thing up and I have to make this expedient alliance here. And I have to, if you're Fauci, you're testifying before Congress. You change the definition of gain of function before you get questioned by Rand Paul. So you say it's not gain of function over and over again, ad nauseam, just condescendingly lying and insulting the intelligence of the American people.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Jesse Michels?

  In a, I think, criminal way.

• 1:06:45Speaker 11

  You're saying that that's not gain of function research? According to the framework and guidelines. So what you're doing is defining a way gain of function. You're simply saying it doesn't exist because you changed the definition on the NIH website. This is terrible and you're, you're completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from a lab.

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• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  We even see it in just this in another micro viewpoint of that same thing. Testifying in front of the Senate here in Texas. Testifying about removing soft drinks and these like candidly toxic foods from our governmental payer programs that provide these to poverty stricken families. My whole thing was food today should not kill the family tomorrow. That's not nutrition. Like, we have to provide nutritional alternatives to our most like, underprivileged communities that are in dire need of help. And instead, you guys are pushing nothing but a bunch of sugar-loaded, ultra-processed foods onto these individuals. And the American Heart Association, this is the world we live in now.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  The American Heart Association showed up to testify against us at the original one. Okay, and then because of the ability to spread the word, Joe Rogan and Burt Kreischer talked about it on Rogan's podcast. Callie Means tweeted about it. It went viral. Guess who didn't show up to yesterday's testimony? Who? The American Heart Association. Oh, my God. And even, even one of the Congresswomen, Chair, Chair Hull was like, "Look who's not here today." Unbelievable. Somebody wasn't here today. Did anyone else notice that the American Heart Association did not show up today? Because it's easy to do dark deeds when you can do them in the dark, hidden from the eye of public scrutiny.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Yep. But in this world, Yep. with open, like, conversation and free form, like, we are the media now. What Elon is saying is true. Yeah. Between X and YouTube and podcasts, you cannot no longer hide in the shadows and push these insidious agendas. And then if you look at why would the American Heart Association be against removing soft drinks? It's because their funding comes from these institutions, from PepsiCo and Coca-Cola and all of that. And so it all goes back to dollars, not truth. They have lost their way. They've lost their way. I don't give a shit if the American Heart Association listens to this. You are

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Criminals, man. You've they've lost their way. They've sold out and it isn't about helping people. It is about keeping their bullshit organization alive and moving things forward. And this is where we're going to expose these people. When people go down that path. This is the world we're in now where there's a free media that allows us to expose it.

• 1:10:04Jesse Michels?

  And I think we're going to see a restoration of common sense with that. Like, again, Trump for all his issues or whatever. There's a there's a there was a leaked call between him and RFK. And he's talking on the phone with RFK and he says, these babies, they're getting like 50 vaccines, right? When they're born, they're growing all weird and deformed and, you know? And it sounds like if you were to write this out in a transcript, like goo goo ga ga, like eight year old, like ridiculous talk.

• 1:10:30Speaker 12

  When you when you see a baby, Robbie, uh, vaccination that is like 38 different vaccines. And it looks like it's been for a horse, not a, you know, 10 pound or 20 pound baby. It looks like you're giving, you should be giving a horse this to, and you ever see the size of it, right? You know, it's this massive. And then you see the baby all of a sudden starting to change radically. I've seen it too many times. And then you hear that it doesn't have an impact, right?

• 1:11:00Jesse Michels?

  But if you think about, just think about it as a human being for a second. Vaccinating, you know, giving 50 vaccines to a baby, that feels a little excessive. And there maybe there should be some efficient frontier of like, yeah, some vaccines are good for sure. Like it's good that we, science is good, you know? But like, maybe we should be a little more discriminating.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  The autism rate that came out yesterday, the newest autism rate?

• 1:11:23Jesse Michels?

  Isn't it one in 500 kids or something?

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  No, it was one in 12.5 kids in the state of California.

• 1:11:29Jesse Michels?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Autism rate.

• 1:11:31Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  One in 12.5. What's California doing so much different than the rest of the country? I ask you.

• 1:11:36Jesse Michels?

  I don't know. Oh, interesting.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying with like, it's just like, this is. It's to a point where you, look, I'm not here to say correlation is causation, but correlation is at minimal worth investigation.

• 1:11:52Jesse Michels?

  It's myth.

• 1:11:53Speaker 03

  Right. And to say that we're not going to look at these things and to have fought it for this long, it'll be interesting to see what comes out. Like I'm, nobody's ever really looked. They haven't been looking. And now what do we find when we look? That's the question.

• 1:12:06Jesse Michels?

  Yeah. And it's, I hope people can just learn to think for themselves with these things where it's like, and be empowered to do that. Like with the COVID thing, I remember getting, I hadn't gotten vaccinated and I got COVID. And I would, I was considering getting vaccinated before I got COVID, but then I got COVID and I had antibodies. I had T cell response. I had hemoglobin. I had all the immune factors. And I have all these people around me, my family included, my liberal LA family being like, you need to get vaccinated. And I'm thinking in my head, you just want to like load me up with spike protein. Like, like I was trying to describe to them. I was like, what about what I have now confers any less immunity?

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  You even see there, it went viral, that leaked video of Fauci talking about the flu shot.

• 1:12:53Jesse Michels?

  In the nineties.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. And you don't need to get the flu shot if you've had the flu. You have the best form of immunity, natural immunity. And then with this, it's like, oh, you're gonna, you're gonna be a mass spreader of COVID. It's just all crazy. And this is where people have begun to not trust the establishment. And then the establishment says, trust the science, trust us. It's only science if you tell us the truth. It's only science if you, if you let science speak for itself.

• 1:13:20Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  If you skew the data and skew the facts, right? There's liars, there's damn liars. And then there's statistics.

• 1:13:28Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Right? That was what Mark Twain said. And it's like, if we're going to skew the statistics in favor or eliminate or hide data, that's not science.

• 1:13:39Jesse Michels?

  The CDC didn't come out with any, all the adverse reaction data was hidden. There was no, they weren't collecting any data along those lines. And then you have these heroes, like, you know, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone, all of a sudden saying, oh, if you're like, you know, I was, I think 28, 29 at the time. And it's like, If you're between 18 and 29, high testosterone, you are in the sweet spot of myocarditis. And so all of a sudden, my risk factor as somebody who's gotten COVID already, definitely goes up. It's not, it's not, you know, it's not 0%.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:14Jesse Michels?

  And, and nobody's talking about that. And, and so you have to just, you know, I do think it's this beautiful thing where information is being disintermediated through these courageous people. And hopefully people can just think reasonably for themselves.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Or even when you go to food and the argument about food dyes, and we were arguing about the dyes. And what people don't understand is those dyes are tested at the dosage level of an adult, at a weight of an adult, okay, and at a specific amount, which is the serving size administered on the label. Okay. Well, if I'm a three year, four year old child, do I eat the dosage? Do I eat like the serving size of a cup? Or am I eating a bowl? Okay. Well, now you're eating double that dye level in just that one meal. And that's just your cereal, but they didn't check the dye in the drink that you're drinking. And then they didn't check the dye in the next meal you eat.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  And then there is a slow attrition where you're gaining more and more of these, the bioavailability of all of these compounds through your diet over time. Right? And so this is what we were trying to argue is you're building up all of this stuff in a patient population that was never a patient population that you would have ever looked at. And I think, I think it was somebody just said that like, do we need a double placebo controlled trial to, to, to decide that it's healthy to jump out of an airplane with a parachute versus without?

• 1:15:43Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  Or do we just take

• 1:15:45Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  the knowledge that life has given us to say, it's probably not a good idea to jump out of the fucking plane without a parachute.

• 1:15:52Jesse Michels?

  Well, that's, that's why I look at like,

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  I think it was Gary that said that.

• 1:15:55Jesse Michels?

  The glyphosate thing. I'm like, if, if this is really water soluble, you know, Agent Orange, you have all these environmental toxins for sure now that didn't exist prior and that we've never really thought of in a critical way that seep into your Body and yeah, so you're doing the Lord's work by getting this out of all these people.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  To me, it's fun, though, like all this stuff, like finding like solving puzzles. It's a puzzle. All this is a puzzle. Like it's fun. Like it like I think there's solutions to all these problems. It's just looking with a new approach and saying, the solution isn't wait for people to get chronically ill. It's not waiting for the car to blow up. Like, we don't have to let the car blow up. We can change the oil. We can rotate the tires. We can maintain the car to avoid the cataclysmic event that causes this catastrophe. We can avoid the catastrophe. Why are we waiting and catastrophizing? We shouldn't. We should get proactive, predictive and preventative and with large language models,

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  with the ability to capture large data sets, with the ability to provide patients a life raft from the broken system and allow them to have sovereignty and autonomy over their health. The average American is not fat and lazy. That's the lie we've been told. The average American is in an environment that is perpetuating chronic disease, that is perpetuating obesity, that is perpetuating metabolic disease and diabetes, which is then leading to all of these issues that are killing so many of us. And we can prevent all of them.

• 1:17:22Jesse Michels?

  What do you think happens with the alien puzzle in the next five or 10 years?

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  Oh, man. I'm excited, man. You and I have talked in depth about this, like it's this, it feels like the floodgates are opening, right? The dam is starting to crack and more and more is leaking out. And then again, this media form of like free speech is allowing more and more to get exposed and making it harder and harder to lie to the American people. Like, the world is waking up in so many ways. In so many ways, there's knowledge is power and knowledge is more readily available. And at this point, if you aren't listening or learning, you're living under a rock. Because it's everywhere. There's so much accessibility to learning about this topic if you're fascinated by it.

• 1:18:08Jesse Michels?

  I'm always amazed at how much content you consume on the UFO front because you're running an amazing, you know, massive business and you're somehow like also you're like, dude, I'm watching your thing or Chris Rams, you're watching his thing.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  I love like yours, Chris, Rogan, like anything in that UFO space, if it's you, Chris, Rogan, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are other buddies. Like, I love watching.

• 1:18:34Speaker 03

  You know, in learning from what you guys are exposing, because y'all do a great job of bringing the truth out. And the OGs like Corbell and Nap with their stuff have weaponized, like, they've crushed it. And that got me, that got my bequeath and got me like deeper down the rabbit hole. And then hearing the Bob Lazar on Rogan drug me in even deeper. And then finding your channel and Chris Ramsey's channel has just like built upon this. And now I feel like I have places to stay in the know. And even a lot of the news outlets now are covering this more and more and more. Like, who would have ever thought you'd see the day where major media outlets are covering this phenomenon almost on a weekly basis?

• 1:19:13Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, you, I mean, you have Tulsi Gabbard, you know, head of DNI, Director of National Intelligence. She, in her platform, says, I want to expose information on UAP, UFOs. And I've spoken to her, I know you've spoken to her. And she seems pretty, you know, kind of, kind of woke on the issue.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, she definitely seems open, receptive, open minded, and willing to explore truth.

• 1:19:37Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:37Speaker 03

  Which is, that's all I think about everything. Like, why would you go into anything with a preconceived notion? That's not, that's not inquisitive. Like, go in with an open mind. That's one thing I love that Chris Ramsey does on his. He'll, he'll sit back and, and it's great for people who are very like, immediately skeptical. Because what he'll say is, envision this as like an exercise. This is just a thought exercise. Like, I'd ask you to go through the thought process with me. We're just walking through and methodically looking at these things. I'm not telling you this is right. I'm not, but let's set aside our preconceived notions, come in with open minds and open hearts, and see where the information takes us. And if you do that across

• 1:20:19Speaker 03

  the spectrum of everything in this UAP world, UFO world, alien, whatever you want to call it. There's a plethora of information that starts to get pretty fascinating where you go, man, there is like, I don't have an answer, but I have a lot more questions and I am definitely a lot less decisive on the topic that the more you learn, the less you know, right? And that's like in life, the more I begin to learn, even in healthcare, the more you think you know, and the more you pull at the thread, the more you realize there's a lot, a lot of unknown, more unknown than known.

• 1:20:51Jesse Michels?

  Totally. And with the UFO thing, I think if you start with the foundation, which is there's, there's a there there, you know, like there are things in the sky. We can't identify that repeatedly show up around our most sensitive nuclear sites. Like that's what I'm most confident. I would hang my hat on that. And then you can kind of build up from there. Are there secret programs? Have we been reverse engineering things? And you go down, obviously in probability as you continue to go in your search, but you build up this kind of self-consistent ontology, which is wholly separate from the average persons. And yeah, we might be merging into that ontology over the next, you know, decade or two. And it's a, it's a wild time.

• 1:21:28Speaker 03

  It's gonna be exciting because I think more and more is going to come out. You know better than I do, but I just think there's, there's such a thirst for knowledge right now. And there's such a free form of discussion that with that's going to come more and more truth and more and more transparency. Uh, and then even discoveries, like discovery after discovery after discovery, you know, and our ability to see what else is out there and our ability to have high-res images of other planets and our ability to gain soil samples and just knowledge is power.

• 1:22:00Jesse Michels?

  Yes. If, if you were talking to somebody out there who's struggling with some chronic health issue or some, you know, something they don't quite understand, maybe they're going to a primary care doctor that's just giving them kind of conventional answers, treatments, you know, take some Tylenol, some Ibuprofen, some, you know, a proton pump inhibitor, you know, whatever, treat the surface level thing with some, you know, pill. What would you recommend to them?

• 1:22:25Speaker 03

  I think if you, I mean, I've said this, if you eat the average American diet and you go to the average American doctor, don't be surprised when you get diagnosed with the average American chronic disease. If you really, truly care about your health, take solvency and autonomy over your health. Understand that nobody's gonna do it for you. You've got to take yourself out of the rat race. And it doesn't have to be waist to well. There's hundreds of clinics, if not thousands throughout the country, that are doing proactive predictive medicine, using blood, blood work, algorithm-based medicine to drive health span. And go do a deep dive, one time. You save the money, spend a little bit of money to see, to get a glimpse into what healthcare could be.

• 1:23:07Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  If you weren't caught in that ecosystem.

• 1:23:10Jesse Michels?

  Well, it's so wild to me. They call it functional health, like it's some exotic beast, you know, it's some like, you know, weird esoteric thing that's like hard to understand. It's just more biomarkers. It's just more data. Like, like, like, obviously, you're gonna want more. And in what other industry would, say you're building, you know,

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  I would just call it healthcare.

• 1:23:30Jesse Michels?

  Yeah, it's called healthcare.

• 1:23:31Speaker 03

  The existing system's sick care.

• 1:23:32Jesse Michels?

  It's sick care.

• 1:23:33Speaker 03

  This is healthcare.

• 1:23:34Jesse Michels?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  Rather than managing chronic disease, because if we're really truthful about what the existing ecosystem is, it is built to manage chronic disease, not prevent,

• 1:23:45Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  to manage.

• 1:23:46Jesse Michels?

  Yep.

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  And so if you want to prevent chronic disease, you've got to take yourself out of that and put yourself in a healthcare system. And a true healthcare system is going to get proactive and predictive by looking at your biomarkers and assessing it. The cancer that you develop in your 40s manifested in his 30s. The diabetes that you develop in your 30s manifested in your, in your 20s, right? Chronic disease has leading indicators, and we can see those indicators. And the more diagnostic sets we have, the deeper dive we can do, and the more we can project and prevent. So like a DEXA scan tells us your visceral fat, your subcutaneous fat, how much body fat you're storing. You combine that

• 1:24:28Speaker 03

  with a VO2 max. Now we know your lung capacity, your heart health, your overall cardiovascular conditioning. Combine that And layer it with biomarkers and we've got over 70 biomarkers that tell us where you're at at the biological level, which is a snapshot of you in time. Now combine that with multiple biomarkers. Now tie that into a wearable. Now monitor your deep sleep, your REM sleep, your heart rate variability, put all these data sets together and allow large language models like Alan to assess that. Now cross-reference that across a large patient population of healthy individuals, not sick individuals. And right, and the other problem with the biomarkers in the primary care space is they're comparing you to that sick fish tank. You're being compared against a, a, a, a tank of sick fish of other chronically ill

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  on four more prescription medicine Americans. That is not a healthy patient population. So we narrow all those tolerances to where you would have been as a healthy 20 year old prior to this chronic disease crisis. And our biomarker test is narrowed to that niche. And so I have a buddy who's in Florida and he called me and he's like, you're gonna love this, man. I brought my blood work into my primary care. And I showed him and he goes, these tolerances are, this is ridiculous. This is way too strict. Like they're, they're way, this is, you're not low on this. You're not high on that. You're not this. You're not, okay. Listen to that guy and see where you go.

• 1:25:47Jesse Michels?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  Or listen to us and see where you go.

• 1:25:49Jesse Michels?

  Well, they're treating you at the failure mode margins of these things where when they get like seriously in the red, it's like too late.

• 1:25:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:25:56Jesse Michels?

  It's like, what can you?

• 1:25:56Speaker 03

  That's all I'm trying to say.

• 1:25:58Jesse Michels?

  And so if you can, you know, manage these things ahead of time, predict them, see around the corner, obviously you'd wanna do that. How do you, if you're, you know, somebody in the audience and you're kind of, you're watching, you know, Gary Brekka on a podcast and he's like, it's all reduces down to gene breaks which cause nutrient deficiencies. Or you, then you hear Brian Johnson on the next podcast and he goes, it's polyphenol rich olive oil and I'm taking 120 things. How do you navigate this new space of having a lot of, cause some of these people are really pushing the frontier of this stuff. And you have Huberman, obviously. But like, it's a lot to make sense of. So like, do you need to get tested basically and do something individualized or like, how do you navigate? The health podcast sphere?

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  I mean, there's a lot. There's a lot to digest. Even for me, there's a lot to digest and there's areas that get more aggressive and more fringe. And then there's bread and butter. And so if we look at what the difference is between a healthy, happy centenarian and somebody dies at the average American life expectancy. The difference is the onset of chronic disease. So let's just distill this down to simple, basic X's and O's blocking and tackling. Okay, so your goal is to live to be a healthy, happy centenarian where you could play with your grandkids in your 80s and 90s and you're not in a bed for the last decade of your life. Then we've got to start with preventing the onset of chronic disease.

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  Because the difference between somebody dying at 70 something years old and somebody living to that access or that point is the onset of chronic disease. That's the big difference. So if we can delay the onset of chronic disease, then we can indirectly, if we can extend health span, we can indirectly drive lifespan. And my message to everyone is, I don't have all the answers. But I do know if we can drive health span, we can extend lifespan. And if we can drive health span longer and delay chronic disease, we can buy time for brilliant minds like Dr. White to come up with the next major invention, the next major life-changing, life-altering, world-changing idea. And I recommend we buy time.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  We buy time to getting proactive and predictive again. I know I sound like a broken record, but it's like, we start in your 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s, monitoring all these things. Now we're approaching the decade of decline, your 40s. It's known as the decade of decline. In your 40s, the average man ages 12 years biologically. The average woman ages 17 years biologically. Whoa. Why? It's because there's a precipitous decline in all of our hormones. There's also a precipitous decline in all of these bioavailable, necessary building blocks that we were talking about with Dr. White earlier, right? Everything begins to diminish. If we can bring all those levels up to normal and maintain those levels

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  at an optimal biological level into your 40s, 50s and 60s, we can indirectly stave off the decline. And what do I mean? Can we keep your lean muscle mass? Can we keep your visceral fat down? Can we keep your bone mineral density high? Can we keep all those things? Because for a woman who's petite, Over the age of 65, one of her biggest risk factors is a bone fracture. Right? And so we are proactively monitoring your bone mineral density with ADEXA. We know what your average bone mineral density decline will be if you have your hormones decline. But if we keep your hormones optimal and we treat and get proactive and predictive, we can prevent that bone mineral density decline or slow it.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  And then at some point in the future, hopefully reverse it. Right? And so that's my thing. I know it's a very complicated way of saying,

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  getting predictive and looking out for these things, we can stave off the things that are going to kill us. And we can buy ourselves enough time for really, really smart people to innovate and come up with new, cutting-edge modalities, cures, whatever it may be. There's so many cutting-edge things that are going to come out, especially with large language models, with artificial intelligence, with CRISPR, with all the things that these guys, I mean, we're bringing back dire wolves. Like, imagine what we can do with humanity in the decades to come if we can keep you healthy.

• 1:30:10Jesse Michels?

  Well, it feels like on the, you know, if you have Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but for humanity, bringing back a dire wolf would be at the very, very top. And then this stuff is just so fundamental. I even say it to, you know, all my friends in the Maha movement like you, that the Make America Healthy Again thing. I'm always like, it's the most important, it's way more important. The UFO thing is such a luxury, you know, compared to how you feel every day. And so I hope, I love that vision and I hope Ways2Well continues to push it, the frontier as far as actual treatments, but also making this stuff accessible to people. Cause I know that's part of the vision, just making it as skilled as possible,

• 1:30:50Jesse Michels?

  but in a responsible way and where the incentives are aligned between patient and practitioner. So I'm excited to see where you go.

• 1:30:59Speaker 03

  I'm pumped. I'm excited for the future. I'm telling you, we're just getting started. There's so many things that we're working on that I'm excited about. And we'll have to have you come back in and check it out so you can see.

• 1:31:10Jesse Michels?

  I'm so, I'm so ready. I'm so ready. And yeah, man, I appreciate everything you've done. I feel so, I feel great even today. And let's see, let's see in six weeks.

• 1:31:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Thank you for trusting us and coming in, man.

• 1:31:24Jesse Michels?

  Oh, no, no. I mean, thank you for having me, man. It's been awesome. And everybody here is so cool and couldn't recommend it enough.

• 1:31:35Jesse Michels?

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