Kylie on 1 Year Postpartum with Finn, “Are You Trying For A Boy?” & Crazy Delivery Room Stories w/ OBGYN | Ep. 60

Kylie’s back for her highly anticipated One Year Postpartum Special brought to you by CVS Health! Kylie starts the show by showing off the ridiculous birthday balloons and cake Queen Emma brought her in honor of turning 24… again! Also a big happy first birthday to Finnley Anne Kelce! (0:52) In honor of being one year postpartum, Kylie gets honest about her first year as a mom of four (5:52), giving the Real Ones the update on how Bennie, Wyatt and Ellie are adjusting to their new baby sister. After that, Kylie reveals an updated and as usual, fiery, list of Dos & Don’ts of Speaking to Postpartum Women (13:10). Spoiler alert: Don’t you ever ask her if they’re gonna try for a boy… Then, in a new edition of “You Know What’s F*cked Up?” Kylie goes off on the misconception of the postpartum period being only six weeks long and shares how she’s doing physically and emotionally one year after giving birth to Finn (19:01). She also reacts to two hilarious TikToks about “Mom Showers” and postpartum baby hairs (24:20) before sharing her personal, official gift guide for postpartum mothers (30:01)! Kylie lists off all her favorite products she gives to all her friends and loved ones after they have a baby. After that, Kylie welcomes one of her favorite people on earth: her own OBGYN, Dr. Joan Devine of Axia Women’s Health, the McConnell Division (38:40). Kylie and Dr. Devine talk all about Kylie’s four labors, what Jason is like as a support person, how important it is to bring a FAN to the delivery room and why women should prioritize their OBGYN visits. Kylie also opens up to Dr. Devine about how grateful she is to have been her patient when she sadly had a miscarriage with her first pregnancy. . . . Purchase NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: CVS Health: Download the app at https://CVS.com/app Tax Act: The simplest, easiest way to get your taxes done. https://www.taxact.com/ Peloton: Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread+ at https://onepeloton.com Covergirl: Lash Blast Volume Mascara, only from Easy, Breezy, Beautiful, COVERGIRL. Shop online at https://covergirl.com or at your nearest retailer. Olipop: GET a FREE can of OLIPOP! Buy any 2 cans of OLIPOP in store, and they’ll pay you back for one! Shop at Walmart, Wawa, Whole Foods, and thousands of other retailers near you. Sign up at https://drinkolipop.com/NGL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:42Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, we're gonna discuss something in this episode. It's like my dirty little secret here. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. Are any of these the length of my actual hair? You guessed it.

• 1:04Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 1:06Kylie Kelce?

  Let's get this podcast started.

• 1:12Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome to our one-year postpartum episode of Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original brought to you by CBS Health. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. In a few days, I'll officially be one-year postpartum, which also means our youngest Finn is celebrating her first birthday.

• 1:29Kylie Kelce?

  That's fucked up. Generally, I'm okay with boogers.

• 1:34Kylie Kelce?

  Not what I'm currently dealing with. And this week, I turned, no, I'm not saying that. I turned over a new leaf, and I think I'm going to curse less on the podcast. Can you believe it? Yep, that's right. I did get this lovely gift for no reason whatsoever. From, actually, for a reason. It's, where is it? Where is it? Where is it?

• 2:04Kylie Kelce?

  Happy first birthday. It's for Finny. Don't mind the two and the four. That's it.

• 2:12Kylie Kelce?

  They're not. They're not. I really appreciate the gift, though. And Queen Emma also brought this. Don't mind the candles.

• 2:22Kylie Kelce?

  I may or may not have turned 24 yet.

• 2:26Kylie Kelce?

  We're ignoring that. You're an asshole.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  Happy birthday, Kylie.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  We love that you love your birthday.

• 2:35Kylie Kelce?

  No, fuck my birthday. This is an ultimate chocolate cake. If you haven't had it, you should have it. It is from Wegmans.

• 2:47Kylie Kelce?

  This is the best chocolate cake on the market. You can't convince me otherwise, but that's... Thank you so much, Queen Emma, for that sweet gift for Finny's...

• 2:58Kylie Kelce?

  For Finny's first birthday. Woo, woo, woo. Okay.

• 3:06Kylie Kelce?

  I...

• 3:09Kylie Kelce?

  No, I don't have birthday plans. No, I'm not a birthday girly. No, I didn't do anything for my birthday. Now, let's move on.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  Happy birthday, girl.

• 3:17Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 3:24Kylie Kelce?

  Coming up on today's one-year postpartum special, I'm gonna get honest about this past year as a mom of four, how I'm recovering a year after giving birth to Finn. Plus, we'll check in on the girls' relationships with their baby sister and what Finny has been up to recently. After that, I'm gonna be joined by one of my favorite people ever. I talk about my love for my OBGYN team constantly. Emphasis on team. So it was about time I had one of the stars of the show on to talk about postpartum and what it's like dealing with me in labor. This is gonna, this is gonna be exposing. And more importantly, what Jason's like during labor and what other people are like during labor.

• 4:08Kylie Kelce?

  HIPAA, but like, let's ask the hard-hitting questions, you know? But before we get to all of that, let's start with a quick NGL announcement. Reminder, real ones, this upcoming Tuesday, March 31st, you're getting the newest episode of FAFO. And like I said before, we have a big, well, actually, small reveal coming.

• 4:28Kylie Kelce?

  A cuddly, fuzzy new Kelsey? And you're just gonna have to watch it on YouTube this Tuesday to find out more. I will say, we shot this at the PSPCA Mean Line Animal Rescue and met so many sweet animals. I cannot wait for the real ones to see it soon. And also for you to see some potentially adoptable animals. Get in there. All right, now, let's get to our real one comment of the week. Just from a quick glance, it looks like Queen Emma got another burner account. Good God. So with the 60th episode coming up, are we gonna get a cool 60? This absolutely was you. I don't need to prove it.

• 5:11Kylie Kelce?

  The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is this comment. You did this. No from the desk of Queen Emma. Wow, girl, 60 episodes. Congratulations. What a milestone. I don't know about you, but celebrating with a cool 60 for episode cool 60 sounds pretty classic to me. And we love that numerology. You're a jackass. Okay, let me know. Hope you like the balloons. Love you. Okay, thanks. Bye.

• 5:38Kylie Kelce?

  And then she chanted, "Fan vote, fan vote, fan vote, fan vote." Who said that? That's what she typed. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's what Queen Emma typed. I have seen comments of people saying that they enjoy a 45-minute episode. And by 45, I mean 48, because we have to fit in the ads. Because our Queen Meg is, she's doing her job.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's probably one of those comments. Maybe two of thousands.

• 6:09Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, we can put it to a fan vote. We can put it to a fan vote, then.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  We did it, guys. Fan vote. I can't wait. All right. Cool 60 is.

• 6:19Kylie Kelce?

  She's catching me on a down week, but be cool, guys.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  And the winner is a cool 60. Great job, everybody. We did it.

• 6:27Kylie Kelce?

  All right, now that that's been handled, let's get right into this one year postpartum edition of Can I Be Honest? And today I'm kicking things off by getting honest about an entire year of being a mom of four, starting with an update on one of the biggest questions I had this time last year. How are my older girls adjusting to their new baby sister? Well, let me tell you, Ellie and Finny are best friends. Ellie actually told me, oh, no, Benny told me the other day, this is a big deal, big deal. Benny told me the other day that her and Finny were going to be best friends. Now, it was a were gonna be best friends.

• 7:05Kylie Kelce?

  So it is a, it's future tense. And so I, from that, I think we're not quite there yet, but she has figured out how to make Finn laugh. And as with grown adults, it's the same with children. When they can make a baby laugh, they feel as though that is an accomplishment, as it is. And they've been doing an outstanding job doing that. Now Wyatt likes to be in charge. Nothing new. So she likes to be given jobs like, hey, put Finny back in the gate when Finn escapes from the living room. Benny only wants to really make her laugh,

• 7:49Kylie Kelce?

  or pretend that she's a baby doll. We're working on it. There's been a lot of things put on Finn's head, and by that I mean headbands, ears, hats, dresses. And I said on her head. I didn't say on her body, because Benny thinks that she can dress Finn. And so she'll just put the dress over her head. And then Finn's sitting there with like, a dress covering her face going, you know?

• 8:17Kylie Kelce?

  Yep. So it's going pretty good. Um, I would say that Finn has an affinity for Ellie right now, but I say right now because it's ever shifting. I will say Finn is not speaking a lot. I'm not going to be that mom that's like, my kid says blah, blah, blah, this many words. No, but I will tell you, one of the things that she likes to do is call for Ellie and Ellie is sweet enough that Ellie will typically call back. So Ellie will stand in the other room and go, Finny. And Finn will sit in the other room and go, eh, and it's very cute. And she doesn't always do both syllables and it doesn't always sound

• 9:02Kylie Kelce?

  like Ellie, but she does try to yell back to Ellie, which is a very cute practice that I encourage a lot. So, yeah, it's, um, it's going well. They have accepted that she is a human being and not just a blob, which is great because now she is sort of toddling along a little bit and trying to get involved is very sweet to watch her, which we've seen this with every child Ellie on, that they just want to be involved. And so to see them sort of crawl into the mix is just very heartwarming. And then when their older sisters

• 9:41Kylie Kelce?

  actually try to involve them, it is so sweet. Now, that would be like the Instagram version, okay, when they crawl, when she crawls in and she tries to get involved and then their sisters hand her a Barbie or a toy and try to let her get involved. The real life version, which is, I would say the majority of the time is when Finn tries to crawl in and get involved and then she gets yelled at and try, they try to like edge her out and push her back so that she can't touch the perfectly framed house that they have put together and strategically place the characters that are playing. So just let's manage expectations here. I'm not saying that my kids play nicely all the time.

• 10:24Kylie Kelce?

  The biggest difference from going from three kids to four kids, um,

• 10:31Kylie Kelce?

  There was a moment, there was a while when we were choosing to try for what is now Finn,

• 10:41Kylie Kelce?

  where I kept thinking that I had forgotten a child, like that one was missing.

• 10:48Kylie Kelce?

  I think it had a lot to do with the age that Benny was and the progression because it just felt like I didn't have a baby with me anymore. Either way, I, it feels very comfy and whole. It feels very balanced. I love even numbers. I've said that on the show before. Uh, something I often get asked about is age gaps. At this point, after having Wyatt, I was already pregnant with Ellie. That's bananas to me. The idea, I still, huh, I still can't fathom that I got pregnant less than a year postpartum. That is crazy bananas.

• 11:29Kylie Kelce?

  I, when people tell me that they've gotten pregnant, really, I would say, I would say within the first year postpartum. I just want to wrap them up in a little burrito and just like, just rock them. I want to rock them because as much as you are excited about it and it's amazing. Whoa. Because getting a year out, I was just thinking this the other day.

• 12:01Kylie Kelce?

  Getting a year out feels more stable. And I don't know if it's just the hormone flush or your body going back or your organs being back where they're intended to be.

• 12:16Kylie Kelce?

  Or your joints feeling more stable. Or maybe just like sleep is probably better by a year out. All of these things that come together to just make you feel like a year out has been my threshold of where I feel like if I start working out again seriously, that like I might feel strong again or that I might feel like my body is stable. A two-year age gap just feels reasonable because you've given your body time to adjust, but you're also not getting so far out that you feel like, why would I start over?

• 12:59Kylie Kelce?

  That's I.

• 13:02Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, I've told you before, if my last kid gets out of diapers, then then. I'm the shop is closed, if you catch my drift. I will say. Finny is still just cuddly enough that I do not. Have an urge for baby right now. Let me just say that I like to leave it open ended because. I don't want the universe to hear me or my uterus. Nobody's talking to you.

• 13:30Kylie Kelce?

  But I do think four feels good. And that's it for Can I Be Honest? Moving on, let's get to a segment that's back for another year by popular demand. This time with some updates, presenting the do's and don'ts of talking to postpartum women. One year after giving birth. First up, got to start with the good old fashioned don't. Number one, don't ask her if she's back to her pre-baby weight yet.

• 14:02Kylie Kelce?

  Better yet, don't ask her about her weight at all, but I'm going to tell you right now.

• 14:08Kylie Kelce?

  Pre-baby weight Kylie? Pre-baby Kylie? Let me say that again. Pre-baby body of Kylie? I don't know her. She doesn't live here. My body built a whole ass human being. Okay, and you're gonna look at me and you're gonna tell me that I'm supposed to get back to pre-baby weight?

• 14:40Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, if I'm gonna get back to pre-baby weight, then you tell my stomach to go back to looking the way it did when I was 24.

• 14:50Kylie Kelce?

  No? Not gonna happen? Well, then you've got your fucking answer. How about that? That's ridiculous. Number two, do ask how she's feeling a year after giving birth. This is such a great question. Let's check in. Let's care about her thoughts and feelings. Let's ask her how her body's feeling, how she feels a year after birth, how she feels that she kept a tiny human alive for one whole year. Good job, mom. Number three, unless you are particularly close with mom, don't ask when the next baby is gonna be on the way. Oh, I'm so serious. And I'll speak for myself here. Don't you dare ask if we're gonna give it one more try for a boy. I swear to God. I swear to God.

• 15:35Kylie Kelce?

  Don't ask me that. Also, let's just put this into perspective. If you look at me and you say, number one, are you gonna have another one? Or number two, are you gonna try for a boy? You are looking at a woman who has had four children. Four children. In, what was it, six years? How are you gonna look at a woman who has had four children and be like, are you gonna have another one soon? Are you gonna try for a boy? So suck my ass. How about that for ASMR? Suck my ass. Number four, don't ask mothers of one-year-olds

• 16:20Kylie Kelce?

  if they're worried about their baby not reaching certain milestones.

• 16:40Kylie Kelce?

  Ladies, if you are still losing sleep or letting milestones of children rule your thoughts.

• 16:55Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna need you to cut that out immediately. I need you to cut it out now because I'm gonna tell you right now. Four children later, the one thing I can tell you that I've learned, that I've told you a million times, they're all different. I'm telling you that within a kid, a group of kids, whose gene pool is the same, it's the same gene pool and all their shit's been different. Okay? So how are we going to compare our kids to the neighbor's kids, or your nieces and nephews,

• 17:31Kylie Kelce?

  or your friends' kids? That is some bullshit. Also, if you look at the thresholds, the range at which these children are supposed to be hitting these milestones, why is it so wide? What?

• 17:54Kylie Kelce?

  That's right, because every kid is different. We got there together. So please don't do that. And also,

• 18:05Kylie Kelce?

  make sure that we're not putting pressure on anyone else. Okay? Sometimes, we can say what we want to say, we can be proud of our kids. Wyatt was an early talker. She was. She wanted to chit chat. Ellie, that child didn't utter words. I mean, she said a couple of words here and there. She did not speak to us until she was probably 18 months old. Okay? Like, speak to us. Like, really be like, oh, this can help me. Okay? She had words, but she didn't, you know what I'm saying? They're in the same house. They have the same parents that raised them the same way, very close together. Mind you, they were 17 months apart. Okay?

• 18:48Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, cut it out.

• 18:52Kylie Kelce?

  Don't let those comparisons steal the joy of the amazing things that you are watching your kids do.

• 19:02Kylie Kelce?

  And in that same breath,

• 19:06Kylie Kelce?

  if your kids are having delays and/or are not meeting your thresholds, that's okay too. Okay? Because there are things in place to help you support them and sometimes they're just not fucking ready. Leave them alone. That's it for do's and don'ts of talking to postpartum women, one year later edition. And now, a segment that's as fun to say as it is to do. You know what's fucked up? And in honor of this special episode, you know what's fucked up? People still believe that postpartum only applies to the first six weeks after giving birth. That's crazy.

• 19:49Kylie Kelce?

  I literally just said, it takes me until I am typically a year out of giving birth to feel like I am more myself. This is fucked up because if you read studies about when you're healed, like truly healed, it isn't even close to six weeks. You go in for a post-birth checkup, six weeks after giving birth. That's typically when you go in for your postpartum appointment. That appointment is there to make sure that you don't have any postpartum immediate complications. Six weeks is not when you're done being postpartum. That's not how that works.

• 20:35Kylie Kelce?

  At all. Not even close. Don't do that. I've already banned the phrase in a past episode, "bounce back." We're not bouncing back in six weeks. Okay? You're not even cleared for strenuous activity until six to eight weeks. That's like lifting large things.

• 20:58Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, you're not even allowed to have sex for six to eight weeks. Okay, this is not like the, she's not ready because she's not healed. And I'm gonna tell you right now, for anyone who has experienced sex postpartum, are we doing this? We're doing this. I'm talking about it. For anyone who has experienced sex postpartum, specifically, I can only speak to after a vaginal birth. There might be, and now I've had varying experiences, different for every kid.

• 21:29Kylie Kelce?

  It's not all fun and games, guys. It's not all fun and games the first couple of times you catch my drift. We can't be out here like, no, that was, that was, that was great. What? A human just exited that door. That's it. For you know what's fucked up? I'll be right back after these messages from myself. Postpartum anxiety can sometimes creep in for women after having a baby. Luckily, the CVS Health app is a single place to handle all of your healthcare needs. The CVS Health app provides access to free 20-minute exercises and free meditations that can help postpartum mothers find time for themselves and their health. Also, when you're out of diapers and don't want to have to pack up your newborn and get in the car,

• 22:14Kylie Kelce?

  Extra Care Plus offers unlimited free same-day delivery. It's there for you when you need items for yourself, pain medication, pads, adult diapers, and for your newborn diapers, but the baby kind, formula, pacifiers. Plus, you can take advantage of caregiver services in the app by accessing pharmacy and health records for your children and managing their care. You can even schedule virtual or in-person minute clinic appointments and do not worry their behavioral health providers have completed postpartum mental health training and are available before, during, and after pregnancy. Go to CVS.com backslash app to learn more and download the app today. On this podcast, you know, there isn't much I'm afraid to talk about.

• 22:59Kylie Kelce?

  So let's talk about one of the most universal postpartum truths, poop. The first one, terrifying, a fear I cannot even begin to explain. The first postpartum poop is, I mean, wow, scary. And if you're a type C mom, I'm going to assume that remembering to take stool softeners or supplements isn't high on the list of priorities during this particularly stressful time, especially with the lack of sleep. If I have to remember to take it, it very well might not happen. But Ollie Pop, I remember that because I actually want it. Ollie Pop is delicious, refreshing, and has six to nine grams of prebiotic fiber to support your gut and help keep things moving. It's not a health drink you should have.

• 23:41Kylie Kelce?

  It's a soda you want to have because it's delicious and it comes in 18 different flavors. You can get a free can of Ollie Pop when you buy any two cans of Ollie Pop in store, and they'll pay you back for one. Shop at Walmart, Wawa, Whole Foods, and thousands of other retailers near you. Sign up at drinkolipop.com/NGO. And we're back. And so is doom scroll the week postpartum edition. First up on this postpartum themed doom scroll. I've mentioned mom showers before on the show, and as a mom of four, this is basically just a glimpse at my everyday life. The clip plays, Queen Emma says, point of view, trying to take a shower as a mom. The mom is in the shower and there is a tiny baby face with a pacifier peeking around the corner of the curtain.

• 24:26Kylie Kelce?

  Let me tell you about this.

• 24:31Kylie Kelce?

  Queen Emma wants to know how many days, times a week does this happen? Anytime I get in the shower. Literally anytime I am not in their view, they want to know where I am.

• 24:46Kylie Kelce?

  Let me explain.

• 24:51Kylie Kelce?

  I go in the shower. We have a glass door on the shower. I will go in the shower. Kids will come up. I can hear them run into our bedroom because they sound like a herd of elephants. One child will sound like a whole herd of elephants. They run into the room, they come into the bathroom, and typically they go, "Mom." And I say, "Yes." And they go, "Mom." And I say, "Yes." And they say, "Mom." And I say, "Yes." And they say, "What are you doing?"

• 25:24Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I think I'm showering. And then they proceed to try and wipe the glass on the outside. And then they yell at me when they realize they can't wipe off the condensation. And that I have to wipe off the condensation in the inside. And so then it turns into, Mom, Mom, Mom, I can't see, Mom, I can't see you. Mom, I can't see you, as if I want them to see me.

• 25:57Kylie Kelce?

  Last girl, it's good to know I'm in good company with my ridiculous postpartum baby hairs situation. Let's see this clip, please, Queen Emma. Oh, it says them, oh, your year of postpartum. Me, how did you know? She has, let's call it, three inch hairs on either side of her head, sticking straight out. As if she has a handlebar mustache, but it goes out from both sides of her ears. And I say that in a loving way, okay? And I got a shout out to at Tilly To Do's caption. It says, love my horns.

• 26:37Kylie Kelce?

  See, here's, I always, I always try to look at the positive here, okay? And that positive is that she can tuck those behind her ears. They've gotten long enough. The couple of baby hairs that I have, I really did get them today. I got them today. Fuck you guys. I got them. I'm talking to my hairs, by the way. I have, it's this spot here, mostly this side, my right side, and sometimes this spot here. But always dead center top, okay?

• 27:20Kylie Kelce?

  They just, I don't know what happens. I will, I will touch them this way and you will see. The quickest tip I have for you, chapstick.

• 27:34Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. That's the whole sentence. Chapstick is the tip. You gotta put some chapstick on the baby hairs because it will weigh them down. And then if you look at other episodes of this podcast over the last, let's call it six months, you might decide not to take my advice about baby hairs because,

• 27:56Kylie Kelce?

  yep, well, you have eyes. Okay. All right. That does it for Doom Scroll of the Week. Next up, I've been excited to share this one with the real ones. I've literally been talking about this idea for months. I have a go-to postpartum gift for new mothers in my life. I feel strongly about making sure that people around me get the things that I found to be super important, either that I purchased for myself for my postpartum recovery, or that other people purchased for me that in the middle of the night

• 28:36Kylie Kelce?

  or on a random day, I thought to myself, oh, you know what? I think I got that for my baby shower. And so I would like you guys to consider that this is, these are things that I found helpful

• 28:54Kylie Kelce?

  in my postpartum experience. Presenting my personal postpartum gift guide, and I'm going to go through these rapid fire style. Okay? Number one, Tux Witch Hazel Pads. And an alternative for that is Witch Hazel Spray. That's going on your lady bits. Okay? It's as simple as that. It's going on your lady bits postpartum. Don't worry. Your angel of a postpartum nurse will tell you exactly what to do. Okay? Number two, Dermoplast. Every single time, hear me out, every single time, every time, P or two, one or two. Okay?

• 29:30Kylie Kelce?

  Spray that before you go to the bathroom. Don't go to the bathroom without spraying the dermoplast. Icicle pads also numb that shit up. Okay. You pop the pad, you shake it, you put it right down there. Then you're gonna lay your little tux pads. Next, number four, adult diapers. Let's be clear, nobody really wants to go to the store and buy adult diapers. It seems it's

• 30:00Kylie Kelce?

  an experience. Here's the deal, take that off their plate. The sizing is easy enough, you can guess it, I know you can. Adult diapers, I loved postpartum because I had significantly less leaks with bleeding. This is so, I'm so, so many people have left at this point that I feel like we were just off the rails. And I'm saying it because that's what we do around here. You have less leaks, more coverage. They're honestly really comfortable. Number five, don't relax because they're gonna tell you you need it when you leave the hospital and they're dead serious. You need a stool softener. Okay, I said what I said. One of the scariest things you're gonna do, your first poop after giving birth. Okay, it's just,

• 30:44Kylie Kelce?

  if you don't believe me, that's fine, I'm happy for you. Don't relax because you're gonna, you're gonna have to stop at CVS or send someone to CVS to pick it up for you if you don't already have it. Now you're gonna have it. Number six, a five pack of onesies or a multi pack, any multi pack of onesies. And this is very specific. You want to get the cheapest ones and you want to get probably zero to three months. Okay. And what you're gonna tell that mom is, is how cheap those onesies were.

• 31:16Kylie Kelce?

  And you're gonna emphasize that if that baby has a blowout.

• 31:21Kylie Kelce?

  That they are to throw it in the trash. And right in that same camp, number seven, puppy pads. You want to know why? Because if it's really bad, you put a puppy pad down. Okay. You change their butt. You roll up the puppy pad with all the mess inside. Throw it in the trash. You know what it got on? Nothing, because the puppy pad had your back. Number eight, baby Tylenol. Because it's something that months after I had given birth, I thought to myself, I need to give this baby Tylenol. And I found it in the drawer because I had not personally purchased Tylenol. Because it didn't even cross my mind that I would need it in a pinch. And then I was in a pinch and it was there.

• 32:06Kylie Kelce?

  Same thing, gas drops. Are they a hoax? I'm unsure. Does it make you feel better about giving it to the baby when you're really going through it? Probably. Number 10, a baby thermometer. Because again, you need it when you're in a pinch. And sometimes you're in a pinch at 2:00 a.m. Baby thermometer. Number 11, baby nail trimmer. Okay? If you want to do the little Dremel one, some people feel better about that. If you want to do the little trimmer, some people feel good about that. Whatever you feel in your soul, get that one. But mom doesn't want to look like she came across Wolverine. Okay, so get a baby nail trimmer.

• 32:49Kylie Kelce?

  Number 12, snacks. I feel like that one's pretty straightforward. Number 13, an adult beverage if they enjoy that. And if they don't enjoy that, get them whatever non-adult beverage they enjoy so that it can be crispy and delicious and they can have it whenever they want. Number 14, butt paste. I prefer Desitin because I like to spackle their asses. Okay? Just thick as can go on. That's what I'm bringing in. That one, you think it's her baby. It's not. Because if you can avoid a diaper rash, your life is going to be easier. Number 15, nipple cream. Pretty straightforward. If they are choosing to have a breastfeeding journey.

• 33:35Kylie Kelce?

  It might be soothing. Number 16, and this one I'm very serious about. Pacifiers, but as many different kinds as you can find. You want to find just, I'm talking five different options. And number 17, hand sanitizer for mom for in the middle of the night. When you change diapy and you know, it's dark and you're not a hundred percent sure what got on your hands. Just hand sanitizer and hand soap. That, you guessed it, is for the guests who want to visit your baby. Cause the first thing they're going to do when they walk through your door is wash your hands. Wash your hands.

• 34:14Kylie Kelce?

  And that's it for my postpartum gift guide. Let us know what your go to gifts are for the moms in your life and what I should be adding to this list. By tagging us at @ngwithkylie. I'll be right back with my OB, Dr. Divine. It's the end of March and you know what that means? The procrastination has almost reached its limit and it's now time to finally get your taxes over with. Luckily, the easiest way to do it is with TaxAct. I can't remember to do a single thing. I tell everybody I push my brain out when I pushed out my kids. TaxAct makes filing easy with step-by-step guidance and TaxAct gives you tax tips throughout the filing process to help you along the way. It even offers three different filing options. Do-it-yourself, expert assist, and expert full service.

• 34:59Kylie Kelce?

  With expert assist, you can talk to a credentialed tax expert located right here in the US. So you're never truly alone filing your taxes. Plus, the maximum refund is guaranteed. You won't find a bigger refund with any other tax filing software. TaxAct helps you find the deductions and credits that you deserve. TaxAct is a solution that makes it simple and easy to tackle even the most complicated taxes. TaxAct, the simplest, easiest way to get your taxes done. Visit TaxAct.com today. After some hectic days with our four kids and illness that you're worried may transfer from one kid to the next. And work on top of that, sometimes all you need is a nice 30 minutes to take a moment for yourself. One way, I use that very small window of time to myself.

• 35:44Kylie Kelce?

  These days is with a nice workout on the Peloton app. Peloton can help you continue to start your year off right with their new cross-training Tread Plus powered by Peloton IQ. It's cross-training reimagined with features designed to help you reach your goals effortlessly. Peloton's most elevated equipment comes with real-time guidance and endless ways to move, alone or with your favorite instructors. I got Robin, I got Ally Love, I got Alex Toussaint. I have not found a class that I didn't enjoy with any of the other instructors, but I'm gonna lean towards those three almost every single time. Peloton IQ creates a personal workout roadmap with weekly recommended classes that match your mood, vibe, and personality. Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go.

• 36:27Kylie Kelce?

  Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread Plus at onepeloton.com. The real ones know my oldest relationship going all the way back to high school is with the original real one. My lash blast, volume mascara from CoverGirl. Oh, what's that? You wanted two of them? Sure. Why not? What made me first start to use it? My sister used it, so I stole hers in true little sister fashion. Get that ultimate big lash look with CoverGirl Lash Blast Volume Mascara, designed to max out every single lash. The volume boosting formula adds thickness and plumpness to your lashes for up to 10 times more volume versus bare lashes that lasts all day and throughout our entire podcast recording.

• 37:12Kylie Kelce?

  The iconic spin-shaped brush catches and coats even the tiniest lashes for instant clump and smudge resistant volume. It's available in four different shades, so you can choose how bold you want to go. Very black, black, black brown, and brown. Plus, it's available in three waterproof shades. I use very black in the non-waterproof. Lash Blast Volume Mascara, only from Easy Breezy Beautiful CoverGirl. Shop online or at your nearest retailer.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  Let's be honest, you don't go to the holiday gift exchange just to participate. You go to win. This year, cause a stir. Gift a KitchenAid stand mixer to whip up new traditions. Tis your season to mix it up.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Pink Pantheress here. Coach and Spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together, and they want you to be part of it. Grab your friends and head to the Tabby Tour, hitting cities around the country with live performances from special artists, exclusive experiences, and personalized products. And discover custom playlists on Spotify, booked just for you based on who you are and how you listen. Live your story with Coach. Learn more at coach.com.

• 38:23Kylie Kelce?

  She's been with me through all of it, AKA all four of my labors with my children. She's an OB-GYN with Axia Women's Health, the McConnell Division, Dr. Joan Devine. Welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Hello, everyone. Hi, Kylie.

• 38:36Kylie Kelce?

  Now, we have known each other for a very long time, and I'm basically a regular in labor and delivery at this point. I feel like if I had a punch card, I'd be getting the next one for free.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 38:48Kylie Kelce?

  But we, I have been a patient of the practice since before I got pregnant the first time.

• 38:58Kylie Kelce?

  I always express, especially on the podcast, how much love I have for not only the team of OBs that we have at the office, but also the labor and delivery nurses, the recovery and care that we receive as patients. There have been times where I've called and I just wanted to talk to Diane, the nurse in the office. I'll be like, is Diane in? She called me back. It is such a personal experience, not only your pregnancy, but the process of trying to get pregnant, your health, overall health and wellbeing as a woman, that it's so personal. And so to have a team of doctors and an office staff

• 39:41Kylie Kelce?

  as a whole, that you feel comfortable calling, going to, asking for help, asking their opinion, calling even when it's something where you're like, I think I'm wasting their time, but I know that they will tell me that I'm not.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:56Kylie Kelce?

  That is, that is something I have found super, super valuable in my relationship with everyone there on the team. Now, um, what makes for an awesome OB? And particularly, an awesome OB in pregnancy?

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Right. I mean, you want someone who really likes and is passionate about women's health and pregnancy and delivery. And, you know, what helps is, you know, you'll know that, you know, hey, are there people, other people there going, you know, are they someone who lights up when they talk about, you know, hey, this is what the next steps are going to be. This is what the pregnancy is going to be like, you know, giving that anticipatory guidance, you know, just, hey, you're going to be okay. And you're going to feel, you should feel like your doctor is interested and, you know, not just going through the motions.

• 40:58Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, whenever I have talked people into coming to the McConnell Division of Axion Women's Health, I've always told them that every single time, a doctor, not only you, but Dr. Dempsey, Colleen, Brooke, Dr. Hi, anyone who comes in, they always sat down. And so, that to me was the sign of like, you have my time. And so, that in in terms of like, experiencing that as a pregnant woman who is like, okay, what have I thought about for the last month? That I'm like, that I need to unload right here so that I can make sure I get all of my answers to my questions. And for anyone who

• 41:39Kylie Kelce?

  has experienced pregnancy in particular, you know that you get some funky symptoms. So to walk in and to have someone sit down and be like, how is it going? And for you to be able to be like, I'm so glad you asked. Let me tell you about what happened last week.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:55Kylie Kelce?

  With this weird thing on my leg, you know, at no time have I ever felt like anyone has ever looked at me and said, like, that's so weird, or that's like, that's strange, or giving you sort of like that judgmental moment. It's always like, you know what? That happens.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  Right. You know.

• 42:14Kylie Kelce?

  And to not feel alone feels great.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Right, right. Yeah, you never want to feel dismissed. And one of my mentors who started the practice, Patty McConnell, she, I remember, she said, no matter how busy you are, Joan, sit down. You only have five minutes, but if you sit down, your patient's gonna feel hurt.

• 42:34Kylie Kelce?

  Now, as you know, this is our one year postpartum special. So I have to ask, when you saw me do the podcast 48 hours after giving birth, were you surprised?

• 42:45Speaker 04

  You know, not really. You know, I'm just like, of course she's doing that. Looking great. And you had Finn with, you know, you, it was your fourth. And so I find moms who have more than one, you know, each one, it gets a little bit like, hey, this kid just has to come along.

• 43:07Kylie Kelce?

  Yep. Now, as a doctor, do you not recommend doing that?

• 43:13Speaker 04

  I would. I would say, please do not pressure yourself in doing anything, but taking care of that baby and yourself.

• 43:23Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I also thought we could just go straight to the source about what I'm really like in labor. And by that, I mean, Queen Emma wants to know the, the hard hitting facts here. How would you describe me as a laborer?

• 43:37Speaker 04

  You know, you are no nonsense and you have a plan. There's no sugar coating necessary.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  This is the plan. We're gonna have a healthy baby and a healthy mom. And really, that's it.

• 43:53Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, I, um, I've told everyone, I tell everyone that, I mean, even when they don't ask, I'm like, my plan is to get in there, is to get induced, is to get an epidural, and get this baby out.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Right. And you get down to business. Yep.

• 44:09Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. Um, what do you remember? Do you remember anything in particular about any of our birth experiences together?

• 44:17Speaker 04

  You know, I, yes, I do. I mean, I remember, um, you know, Jason just kind of being relaxed on the couch. And, but when it's time to push, he was really a great supporter for you. Of both coaching you and physically helping you push that baby out.

• 44:39Kylie Kelce?

  Seriously, that's one of the things that I've talked about that I think people are thinking I like, and I think even he has, I think we talked about it on the other podcast. I think he thinks I'm kind of blowing smoke up his ass. Like I'm trying to give him credit. But I've explained to him, like, when he gets up behind me and helps me crunch forward, I'm like, then I feel like I'm locked in.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:59Kylie Kelce?

  My core muscles, they they're a mile apart at that point. They're not doing too much. And so when he helps me get forward, I'm like, yeah, I can do this. This baby is coming out.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:10Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. It's great.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Right. And, you know, for you, I think you I could tell you're uncomfortable at times, but you're you're, you know, your normal self. Of course, you're not going to be cheery, happy the whole time.

• 45:22Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  But no.

• 45:24Kylie Kelce?

  Especially when I feel nauseous. I'm like, no.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:27Kylie Kelce?

  But that's I'd like, yeah, you guys fix that really fast, so it's really nice.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:32Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. Now, um, is there maybe, uh, anything funny that's happened during labor? I will say, I do think you were there for the, uh, I I always, I have to clear myself up here. Wyatt, you were there for it.

• 45:51Kylie Kelce?

  Ellie, you were in an emergency C-section. So Dr. Hi, Brooke, received her.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 45:59Kylie Kelce?

  Which was very funny, because I've never seen someone shift their tone so quickly. She was like, let's do a test push.

• 46:06Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 46:07Kylie Kelce?

  And then I did a test push and she was like, hey, let's not do that again. And all of a sudden, her hair was up, she had a gown on, I was like,

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 46:15Kylie Kelce?

  Is it go time? And then Benny, you were there. And I think Finn, you were also there with Colleen. Is that right?

• 46:25Speaker 04

  And and Finn has the same birthday as my son, my oldest.

• 46:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 46:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:31Kylie Kelce?

  So I will say you were there for when we were mid, I believe, mid push. And Jason's, I said, well, what's her middle name?

• 46:44Kylie Kelce?

  And Jason's, oh, we were debating whether or not he could go down and look.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:49Kylie Kelce?

  And you said, do you want to come down? And I said, you're not allowed down there. And he said, I think I'm going to go down there. And I said, you can go down there if you tell me what her middle name is.

• 46:58Speaker 04

  Ah, yeah.

• 46:59Kylie Kelce?

  And that's when he picked Elizabeth for Wyatt. And that was one of those moments where I was like, do other people typically have this conversation in the middle of pushing?

• 47:10Speaker 04

  Right. You know,

• 47:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  husbands or partners, you know, say all sorts of funny stuff in those moments. And so, yeah, you know, some people do want to go look. Some people are like totally hands off.

• 47:24Kylie Kelce?

  The real ones and fans of the other podcasts love the clips that I've shared of Jason in the delivery room over the years, most notably the one with his fan.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 47:33Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:35Kylie Kelce?

  And as an expert on the matter, how high on the list of important items to pack is a fan? Would you say?

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Right. You know, I think a fan for, for the patient, a lot of people bring the little fan, clip it on the bed. Sure. But a fan for the spouse of that size, I don't usually see.

• 47:58Kylie Kelce?

  It's, he felt very strongly about that fan.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:01Kylie Kelce?

  He loves that. It's his, it was his training camp fan. It was like a, I think it was like his, like, security blanket fan, really.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:08Kylie Kelce?

  Now, what's the strangest thing that you've seen come in to the delivery room?

• 48:15Speaker 04

  You know, I think it might not, some people bring in a lot of candles, battery operated candles,

• 48:26Speaker 04

  to set the mood.

• 48:27Kylie Kelce?

  Really?

• 48:28Speaker 04

  And I think that's not strange, but I'm just like, oh, wow, we thought of that. It's, you know, and then I enjoy playlists. So they're so interesting and can be so different.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  But, you know, that, I feel like that's adorable, right? They're so thought into there. And I get to see what kind of music they like and that kind of thing.

• 48:51Kylie Kelce?

  Is that common?

• 48:52Speaker 04

  It's fair.

• 48:53Kylie Kelce?

  The playlist?

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Fairly common. Mm hmm. With the first baby.

• 48:57Kylie Kelce?

  Are they, with the first, are they bringing a speaker?

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Sometimes. Yeah.

• 49:03Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, is there like a, is there a sound limit that is placed on that?

• 49:09Speaker 04

  I mean, not really.

• 49:10Kylie Kelce?

  Have you ever had to tell anybody to turn it down?

• 49:11Speaker 04

  I have, I have.

• 49:13Kylie Kelce?

  Have you?

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:14Kylie Kelce?

  I can only imagine that like if you were really trying to lock in, you might not notice how loud your music is.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  Right. You know, you're just in it. And if that's what they need, that's great. But yeah, I, there have been times where like, we need to turn that down.

• 49:28Kylie Kelce?

  I, yeah, I don't have the um, organization to think, to put a playlist together ahead of time.

• 49:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 49:37Kylie Kelce?

  And af, and it's funny you say your first child, like the first child they typically do it for, because every birth after Wyatt, I have taken the opportunity to like, watch adult shows, not get argued with about what I'm watching on my phone.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 49:56Kylie Kelce?

  Um, Jason and I will usually start like a new series in recovery, like last, I think this last time we watched The Great British Bake Off.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:04Kylie Kelce?

  For like a full season worth, because it's really like a nice little getaway.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  You're some peaceful time.

• 50:11Kylie Kelce?

  Very much so. Now, we oddly made headlines three years ago with my Super Bowl birth plan,

• 50:19Kylie Kelce?

  which involved me bringing both you and Colleen and Dr. Dempsey to Arizona for the game, just in case. Now, luckily, we didn't have, we, it was, it was smooth sailing.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 50:33Kylie Kelce?

  She stayed in, Benny was cooperative, potentially the only time in her life that she's been cooperative, but she stayed in. What was your honest reaction when we first talked about this? Because I remember talking about this when I was

• 50:51Kylie Kelce?

  maybe like six months along? We talked about it fairly early and very vaguely.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 50:58Kylie Kelce?

  Because we didn't want to jinx.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. Right. And I, I remember thinking, oh, I, I, you know, I, I didn't want to jinx it, right? I didn't want to put too much thought into it. So I kind of put it out of my mind.

• 51:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yep. And then we circled back. We circled back when necessary.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:18Kylie Kelce?

  Um, how did you feel when we officially had a plan of you coming? Not only as like a doctor and focused on that, but also as an Eagles fan?

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know, that Sunday night when they won the game, I looked at my husband on the couch and I was like, uh, I don't know. And then of course I saw you the next day for a visit and that's when it all started. You know, it was a whirlwind and it felt exciting, of course.

• 51:55Speaker 04

  And I had one night that I was asleep, sleepless night where I started to think about, okay, what if something happens on the plane? It's the plane ride where I was, you know, that's what we were there for, those to and from plane rides. And so I couldn't sleep one night and walked through every scenario and thought about exactly everything I could pack to be prepared. And I think once I got through that night, I was like, we're just super excited to be, get to experience this as an Eagles fan, be there for you.

• 52:33Kylie Kelce?

  We actually went so far as to connect with a doctor in Arizona. We said, obviously, we know that you guys cannot practice out there, but that you guys would then become my support people and be able to advocate for me on my behalf if we were to be in a labor and delivery situation in Arizona, because obviously Jason would be tied up.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:59Kylie Kelce?

  So that was our, our plan on the ground.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:03Kylie Kelce?

  But yes, very much our discussion beforehand was if I had to give birth on this plane full of Eagles family, how do we make it the least?

• 53:16Kylie Kelce?

  Intrusive?

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Right, traumatic, maybe.

• 53:19Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, that's the word.

• 53:21Speaker 04

  For everyone.

• 53:22Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. Now, is this, was this the craziest lengths that you've gone to for a birth plan?

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 53:30Kylie Kelce?

  Or a potential birth plan?

• 53:31Speaker 04

  100%, yes.

• 53:34Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so glad we could.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  I know, we get to do that together. Yeah, and you know, we, I did talk to that physician in Arizona, and I remember him saying, you know, where he was gonna be during the whole weekend, and, you know, then he said at the end, you know, you know, "Nothing bad can happen here." Yeah, I know.

• 53:54Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, that's why I'm here.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:57Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I talked about this a little earlier in the episode, but I would love you to weigh in with your expertise. First of all, it's a common misconception that the postpartum period is six weeks and then it's over. Why is that wrong?

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Right. Because it lasts longer, right? It's just like, we have one postpartum visit, it's not enough, right? Women need support much longer. But really, the postpartum timeframe, depending on what you're reading, it's really three months, right? Like, those 12 weeks and anything in that first year after having the baby, we'll, we consider it can be related to the postpartum experience.

• 54:44Kylie Kelce?

  Now, what are some other common misconceptions about postpartum that you'd like to set the record straight on?

• 54:52Speaker 04

  I mean, I think that women need to know, you're not gonna be doing it all. And it's okay to ask for help, it's okay to accept help. It's also okay that you're not gonna feel great, you're adjusting to being tired, a fatigue you've never known most of the time, and, you know, things that you used to do, like exercise, you know, intimacy with your partner, these things aren't gonna feel great for a while.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  And that's okay.

• 55:26Kylie Kelce?

  What are some of the most common questions you get from women throughout their postpartum journey?

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Sure, sure. You know, real common ones are, you know, if their bleeding hasn't stopped, you know, is this normal? A lot of women want to talk about when they can think about the next pregnancy and, and timing of that.

• 55:47Kylie Kelce?

  What is the recommended, I'm not asking for myself to know that. We've already had this conversation. What is the recommended distance with, between pregnancies?

• 55:59Speaker 04

  Sure. You know, with a normal birth, right, not a C-section, um, you know, it's, someone could start to think about it when their baby is six months, so six months to a year. Um, with the C-section, you really want to have at least 18 months between the two deliveries.

• 56:22Kylie Kelce?

  That's an important difference because that's a wide gap.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:27Kylie Kelce?

  Now, how much should women care about the age 35 when it comes to pregnancy? Because there's been a lot of talk about the term geriatric pregnancies and that sort of 35 threshold. Um, what, what do you have to say about that?

• 56:44Speaker 04

  Right. You know, and I think we're seeing so many more women have children in that age range, like 35 to 42. And so we are less, you know, nervous about it because we see it more commonly. And so there are some risks, like some increased risk of things like high blood pressure in pregnancy or diabetes in pregnancy. And so they may have some more visits, some more ultrasounds. Um, but we, you, we feel confident typically in that age group. And I, I don't really tend to tell my patients to worry too much about that.

• 57:26Kylie Kelce?

  I cannot thank you enough.

• 57:29Kylie Kelce?

  It is an absolute pleasure to get to see you on a random day, but also to have you on the podcast. I will forever sing your praises until the end of time. Dr. Devine was, I'm not gonna cry, maybe I will. Who knows? Dr. Devine was the doctor that helped me through my miscarriage. Oh, hold on, I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna believe in myself. And I truly don't think that I would have had the courage to try again so quickly had you not handled that with such care.

• 58:11Kylie Kelce?

  And I'm sure that as an OB, it is something that you have to help women deal with on a very regular basis, more often than I think any of us would like to have happen. But that experience and the way that you handled that and the way you helped me through that was something that like has, has helped me go on to then have four kids. Because you made it clear that it was nothing that I did. You were gentle in the way that you delivered the news, obviously.

• 58:53Kylie Kelce?

  The way that you very rationally, because you knew how I was as a patient, laid out the options and said, you don't have to decide right this minute. Gave me all the information I needed and then helped me by basically saying like, you can walk right out of the office. You don't stop at the desk. You just keep going. Those, I, and like Jason wasn't there. And so you were, oh no. You were my support person and so.

• 59:25Kylie Kelce?

  Till the end of time, I will have like the deepest love for you.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  It's so hard. Those moments are difficult for us. We feel it for each patient. And it's, yeah, you're right. He wasn't there with you and that was hard. And that's, we see that, you know, and, and I think you're right. It's, it's so difficult and I'm, I'm glad I could be there for you on that day.

• 59:56Kylie Kelce?

  I hope everyone finds their soul OB, the way I have found my soul OBs. They're my soul OBs because they're mine and I love them. But I truly like that experience could have been so much more traumatic. And I still remember not crying in the office and you looking at me like,

• 1:00:19Kylie Kelce?

  you can cry now. And I don't know that I did until I got outside. But I, the way that you handled that situation was something that made it as if I didn't already know, even more clear that I was in the right hands to go through the process of building our family. And it, I mean, going from that experience to going through four birth plans with you has been like just affirming all the way through. And it makes me feel for women who don't have this incredible of a support system

• 1:00:59Kylie Kelce?

  in their journey, but I am very, very, very grateful for you and the rest of the team. And like I said before, I'm gonna say it till the end of time how much I love my OBs. And Dr. Joan Devine is top tier and I'm gonna keep coming to visit you even if I don't have any more kids.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  Kylie, thank you so much. You know, it's been such an honor to be, you know, here for you. And I mean, never could I imagine some of the fun things we've been through.

• 1:01:35Kylie Kelce?

  Right? It's silly.

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  It is. Yeah.

• 1:01:39Kylie Kelce?

  Let's do more.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:01:40Kylie Kelce?

  Not necessarily kids, but like, we'll do more.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:45Kylie Kelce?

  Okay. Thank you so much.

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 1:01:47Kylie Kelce?

  And that's a wrap on our one-year postpartum special edition of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from our longer episode taping on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. Reminder, FAFO comes out this upcoming Tuesday, March 31st. I'll be back with a brand new episode on Thursday. Follow us on social media at @NGLwithkylie for more clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by CVS Health. Thanks again to The Real Ones for tuning in.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

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• 1:02:51Speaker 01

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